Proof That Edward Snowden Engaged In Espionage

Snowden ≠ Ellsberg
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This morning, NBC News reported that Edward Snowden used his administrative access to enter the accounts of other NSA employees with higher level classification with the intent to take information. That should once and for all settle the fact that Edward Snowden engaged in espionage and was not merely acting as a whistle blower.

The NSA has as many as 40,000 employees. According to one intelligence official, the NSA is restricting its research to a much smaller group of individuals with access to sensitive documents. Investigators are looking for discrepancies between the real world actions of an NSA employee and the online activities linked to that person’s computer user profile. For example, if an employee was on vacation while the on-line version of the employee was downloading a classified document, it might indicate that someone assumed the employee’s identity.

The NSA has already identified several instances where Snowden borrowed someone else’s user profile to access documents, said the official.

Each user profile on NSAnet includes a level of security clearance that determines what files the user can access. Like most NSA employees and contractors, Snowden had a “top secret” security clearance, meaning that under his own user profile he could access many classified documents. But some higher level NSA officials have higher levels of clearance that give them access to the most sensitive documents.

As a system administrator, according to intelligence officials, Snowden had the ability to create and modify user profiles for employees and contractors. He also had the ability to access NSAnet using those user profiles, meaning he could impersonate other users in order to access files. He borrowed the identities of users with higher level security clearances to grab sensitive documents.

Once Snowden had collected documents, his job description also gave him a right forbidden to other NSA employees- the right to download files from his computer to an external storage device. Snowden downloaded a reported 20,000 documents onto thumb drives before leaving Hawaii for Hong Kong on May 20.

Let’s break this down. He wasn’t merely seeking those documents within his own compartment. He was actively looking to exploit his sysadmin privileges and access other user accounts and their clearances to gain access to documents above his own clearance level. The NSA is in the process of figuring out whose accounts Snowden accessed and what documents were taken.

NBC News tap dances around the fact that borrowing the accounts and access privileges of other users is a huge issue. That indicates Snowden’s intent to do more than merely blow the whistle based on the documents he had access to. He wanted to seriously damage the NSA’s operations. Why else search through accounts of those in higher classification levels for documents?

It sounds like he was on a fishing expedition with the intent to find incriminating information and if he couldn’t find it with his own clearance level, he was going to use his sysadmin privileges to access accounts that might have information that could damage NSA operations by exposing them to public scrutiny.

At some point, investigators or even the journalists reporting this, should be able to tell people whether the document that Snowden provided them was from those within his own clearance level and those that were pilfered from other accounts.

Even if you want to claim he’s a whistleblower on documents that he had the clearance to view (and I’m going to sidestep the illegality of releasing those documents for the moment because he’s still violating the Espionage Act), you’re going to have a much harder time making the case on actively engaging in criminal acts to access the accounts of other users that had higher classification levels with the intent and purpose to take those documents.

Moreover, this is a further distinguishing feature when compared to Daniel Ellsberg (a Greenwald favorite tactic). Ellsberg released the RAND Corp study to the NYT, that was within his own classification level and actual personal knowledge - either from working on the documents directly or being directly involved in the project. The document/project he was working on was the Pentagon Papers. His case became synonymous with whistleblower for exposing that the Pentagon and Johnson Administration knew that the Vietnam war was a losing proposition.

Snowden? He purposefully bypassed security, exploited sysadmin privileges, and sought out documents above his classification level — all with the intent of fleeing the country.

The kinds of documents being released (including the Black Budget) are meant to undermine the ability of the NSA to carry out its operations. It’s meant to put a strain on US relations with allies, and give enemies, potential targets, and terrorists a heads’ up on tactics and measures to track down and maintain surveillance on operations that could threaten US national security.

Snowden ≠ Ellsberg. This is proof.

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255 comments
1 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:17:29pm

ty lawhawk…. for a while I was indifferent regarding the possible capture and punishment of Eddie Snowflake, now I want Seal Team Six to snatch his scrawny ass home and for him to spend a serious amount of time in SuperMax.

2 b.d.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:23:34pm

A thief is a thief is a thief

3 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:28:19pm

re: #2 b.d.

don’t cha just savor the fact that this guy has been lying to everybody all along the way? Yet we’re supposed to be focused on what the NSA is doing without looking at what Snowden has done.

4 b.d.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:31:02pm

Even a freaking pawn shop turns down known stolen material.

5 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:36:00pm

re: #4 b.d.

well the players in this drama aren’t establishing themselves as being known for their ethics, strangely enough….

6 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:37:28pm

Well done, Lawhawk.

Wonder how long it will take for the media to finally realize the fake scenario and framing Greenwald has done in this damned crime?

I still say GG, Poitras and Snowden were all collaborators since the end of last year, from what we now know. Poitras, who no one seems to want to talk about much and yet who states that she was given every single document Snowden has, IIRC, has been relegated to the background to allow the super-narcissist GG to guide the narrative while she works on her “blockbuster” movie.

7 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:38:00pm

I can’t wait to see what GG has to say about this.

8 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:39:53pm

re: #7 NJDhockeyfan

I can’t wait to see what GG has to say about this.

He hasn’t tweeted in over 4 hrs, so he may be working on a statement. Or some kind of excuse.

9 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:40:31pm

re: #7 NJDhockeyfan

I imagine it will be to state that the NSA are the real villians here, just look at that government money allocated to “black ops”. Then pontificate that all of the “black ops” are against US citizens, at home or abroad yada yada yada

10 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:42:06pm

Excellent summary. Snowden is a thief and a spy, and this is the proof.

Earlier today, I was wondering how someone at Snowden’s level could have legitimately had access to the black budget. Now all is clear.

11 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:43:52pm

The Greenwald/Poitras angle is going to be interesting to follow. After all, it’s one thing for him to claim that Snowden’s a whistle blower who was releasing documents he had legitimate access to, but it’s quite another when those documents were coming from accounts that he had no right to.

It also raises questions as to whether Greenwald/Poitras knew (and when did he know) that Snowden did more than just sweep up all the documents he had legitimate access to and went for those above his clearance level.

12 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:45:07pm

re: #8 Justanotherhuman

He hasn’t tweeted in over 4 hrs, so he may be working on a statement. Or some kind of excuse.

He’s back…

13 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:48:06pm

re: #12 NJDhockeyfan

for a lawyer, he’s seemingly obtuse about what theft and espionage are all about

14 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:52:10pm

re: #13 piratedan

for a lawyer, he’s seemingly obtuse about what theft and espionage are all about

My guess is that GG is simply not going to talk about the parts of the story that don’t work for his agenda, like the fact that Snowden is a thief and a spy.

That is GG’s usual way of dealing with inconvenient facts.

15 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:54:11pm
16 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 12:59:25pm

re: #14 EPR-radar

and as such, we’re supposed to trust him. I really don’t like to wish ill on people, but these folks (Snowden. GG and perhaps Gellman and Poitas) I just don’t understand what in the hell their motivation is…. counting coup? burn it all down? talk show guest spots for life? without any real understanding on what they’re doing and who they could be affecting.

17 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:03:23pm

re: #16 piratedan

and as such, we’re supposed to trust him. I really don’t like to wish ill on people, but these folks (Snowden. GG and perhaps Gellman and Poitas) I just don’t understand what in the hell their motivation is…. counting coup? burn it all down? talk show guest spots for life? without any real understanding on what they’re doing and who they could be affecting.

The closest I can come to a comprehensible explanation for this level of anti-US mindlessness is lingering Bush Derangement Syndrome.

We really did have 8 years under GW Bush where GG’s default assumption that US officials are lying at all times and the job of the journalist is to expose the lies was not unreasonable.

18 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:05:13pm

re: #17 EPR-radar

The closest I can come to a comprehensible explanation for this level of anti-US mindlessness is lingering Bush Derangement Syndrome.

We really did have 8 years under GW Bush where GG’s default assumption that US officials are lying at all times and the job of the journalist is to expose the lies was not unreasonable.

you could be spot on, yet how in the hell he could equate this administration with the last is a leap that I’m simply not prepared to make.

19 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:06:27pm

Exactly

20 b.d.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:14:54pm

The Osama killing denialists will twist themselves in knots over this since they tend to be fall in the same group as the Snowden cultists.

21 jc717  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:22:30pm

Why did a poorly vetted, low level contractor have superuser privileges?
How many other Snowdens are out there?
This speaks to questionable security practiced at the NSA.

22 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:24:07pm
23 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:24:57pm
24 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:26:19pm

re: #12 NJDhockeyfan

25 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:28:39pm


Tea party talk host: Trayvon ‘deserves to be dead’ — and ‘that f*ggot’ Dan Savage too

Solomon warned that there was a war in America and “if you’re white, you’re a target.”

“The left, which is godless and serves Satan, has an agenda,” he continued. “To accomplish their agenda they have to get idiots, morons, numbnuts to do stupid things so the focus will be on them and not on the libs, not on the leftists: Jews, homosexuals, blacks, gays, Islamists… Because while we’re mad at these two punks, we’re mad at Trayvon Martin, that thug that deserves to be dead and I’m glad he’s dead.”

“Pieces of crap, homosexuals like what’s that one guy’s name? Savage. That f*ggot!” Solomon yelled. “That horrible, awful, terrible excuse for a human being who is at the White House promoting attacks on Christians. I hope he dies — he probably will — of every disease known.”

He added: “By the way, I’m sending him a fire hydrant for his birthday, I’m hoping he’ll sit on it; he’ll slide all the way down to the ground. Sorry fire hydrant fans, I don’t mean to insult fire hydrants.”

26 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:28:41pm

re: #24 lawhawk

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Why not, he’s ignored practically everything else that makes Snowden’s claims questionable and his own culpability more concrete.

27 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:30:11pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

Why not, he’s ignored practically everything else that makes Snowden’s claims questionable and his own culpability more concrete.

Isn’t it obvious that government stooge NBC is in bed with Obama and the NSA to discredit Greenwald by lying about Snowden’s access?
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28 Amory Blaine  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:32:21pm

re: #25 Kragar

When Savage gets done with him, Solomon is going to be another name for something else.

29 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:32:51pm

Edward Snowden, NSA.

The actions of one, and only one, of these entities was legal.

30 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:33:39pm

re: #28 Amory Blaine

When Savage gets done with him, Solomon is going to be another name for something else.

Not much point in giving a fringe RW kook a google problem.

31 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:34:35pm
32 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:34:43pm

re: #25 Kragar


Tea party talk host: Trayvon ‘deserves to be dead’ — and ‘that f*ggot’ Dan Savage too

Cute little fascist. But yep the left are the real hateful ones and the right is full of nothing but love and kindness towards those they disagree with.

33 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:35:54pm

re: #25 Kragar

As more of their perceived rules and privilege slips away, the more unhinged they’re going to become. There’s going to be an uptick in violence and intimidation too. Communities are going to have to police themselves and stick together.

34 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:38:00pm

I notice NBC phrases it like this: “Snowden borrowed someone else’s user profile.”

“Borrowed?”

Last time I checked, “borrowing” a person’s identity without their permission is called “identity theft.”

35 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:39:27pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

I notice NBC phrases it like this: “Snowden borrowed someone else’s user profile.”

“Borrowed?”

Last time I checked, “borrowing” a person’s identity without their permission is called “identity theft.”

Yeah you borrow a book from a friend, when you hack into someone else’s private user profile, you’re engaging in a crime. Sick of the media’s willingly obtuse attitude on this whole thing. It’s exactly how we get people believing that Snowden did nothing wrong and should be regarded as a hero.

36 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:39:42pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

I notice NBC phrases it like this: “Snowden borrowed someone else’s user profile.”

“Borrowed?”

Last time I checked, “borrowing” a person’s identity without their permission is called “identity theft.”

And that “borrowing” was done without knowledge or permission, for activities I am sure the user would have disagreed with.

37 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:39:48pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

I notice NBC phrases it like this: “Snowden borrowed someone else’s user profile.”

“Borrowed?”

Last time I checked, “borrowing” a person’s identity without their permission is called “identity theft.”

That is a crime that would get you fired, brought up on charges and disbar you from government jobs.

38 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:41:08pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

I notice NBC phrases it like this: “Snowden borrowed someone else’s user profile.”

“Borrowed?”

Last time I checked, “borrowing” a person’s identity without their permission is called “identity theft.”

“Hey, can I borrow your identity on the network? What for? Oh, I just need to look at some files I don’t have clearance to even know about for a few hours.”

39 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:41:15pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Borrowed, pilfered, stole. Yeah, all synonyms. /

The NBC News headline, however is the following “Snowden impersonated NSA officials, sources say”

Identity theft, stole above top secret information (those accounts that had clearances above his own), and did so with criminal intent.

Not a whistle blower.

40 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:41:44pm

Do you think Richard Esposito would let me borrow his credit profile to obtain some lines of credit?

41 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:41:49pm

re: #39 lawhawk

Borrowed, pilfered, stole. Yeah, all synonyms. /

The NBC News headline, however is the following “Snowden impersonated NSA officials, sources say”

Identity theft, stole above top secret information (those accounts that had clearances above his own), and did so with criminal intent.

Not a whistle blower.

Not a whistle blower and certainly not a hero.

42 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:48:05pm

re: #39 lawhawk

Borrowed, pilfered, stole. Yeah, all synonyms. /

The NBC News headline, however is the following “Snowden impersonated NSA officials, sources say”

Identity theft, stole above top secret information (those accounts that had clearances above his own), and did so with criminal intent.

Not a whistle blower.

A whistleblower, at least as I’ve understood it, is somebody who sees wrongdoing in the government and reports it, whether it be to those not connected to the wrongdoings in the government or to the press.

When you go looking for documents to steal and then take them to a foreign country, you’re not a whistleblower. You’re a goddamn defector.

43 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:49:36pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

A whistleblower, at least as I’ve understood it, is somebody who sees wrongdoing in the government and reports it, whether it be to those not connected to the wrongdoings in the government or to the press.

When you go looking for documents to steal and then take them to a foreign country, you’re not a whistleblower. You’re a goddamn defector.

And that’s the “itsy bitty” difference between Snowden and Daniel Elllsburg. Did Ellsburg take the Pentagon Papers to Cuba, the PRC, or USSR? He did not and that is why you cannot equate his actions to Ellsburg but that doesn’t stop Greenwald.

44 Lidane  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:51:45pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

A whistleblower, at least as I’ve understood it, is somebody who sees wrongdoing in the government and reports it, whether it be to those not connected to the wrongdoings in the government or to the press.

When you go looking for documents to steal and then take them to a foreign country, you’re not a whistleblower. You’re a goddamn defector.

To me, whistleblower = the people at Enron that exposed the fraud and malfeasance going on over there, even though doing so would most likely destroy their own careers.

Snowden’s just a useful idiot for Assange and Greenwald and a thief.

45 Kragar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:54:59pm
46 b.d.  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:55:46pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

I notice NBC phrases it like this: “Snowden borrowed someone else’s user profile.”

“Borrowed?”

Last time I checked, “borrowing” a person’s identity without their permission is called “identity theft.”

Right..
Just try “borrowing” Brian Williams’ parking space one day.

47 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:56:31pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

A whistleblower, at least as I’ve understood it, is somebody who sees wrongdoing in the government and reports it, whether it be to those not connected to the wrongdoings in the government or to the press.

When you go looking for documents to steal and then take them to a foreign country, you’re not a whistleblower. You’re a goddamn defector.

He is a glibertarian activist who intentionally went on a fishing expedition, apparently with foreknowledge by other activists disguised as journalists. This isn’t what a whistle-blower does.

He did to the NSA what what Ron Paul wanted done to the Federal Reserve.

48 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:57:27pm

re: #45 Kragar

Corsi: KGB Behind Democratic Party Strategies

Does the KGB even exist any more?

49 Mattand  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:57:29pm

re: #46 b.d.

Right..
Just try “borrowing” Brian Williams’ parking space one day.

OT: I cannot stand Brian Williams. Every interview I’ve seen with is the walking definition of smug. Maybe it’s just me.

OT rant over.

50 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:58:35pm

re: #48 makeitstop

Does the KGB even exist any more?

They’re a subsidiary of ACORN.

51 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 1:58:35pm
52 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:05:27pm
53 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:08:01pm
54 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:09:23pm

re: #53 darthstar

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help! I can’t stop laughing!!!

55 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:10:07pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

help! I can’t stop laughing!!!

I like the PS. I’m wearing an octopus on my head because I can.

56 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:10:24pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

I know, me too. Bwahahaha!

57 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:11:16pm
58 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:11:35pm

re: #55 darthstar

I like the PS. I’m wearing an octopus on my head because I can.

my favorite part (although the pooping on the vet’s lawn was pretty good, too)

59 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:12:23pm

Not sure what this means. I’ll try to find something more….

60 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:12:39pm

re: #57 darthstar

Ted Nugent’s Wife Shemane Deziel — Arrested … Gun at the Airport t.co
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) August 29, 2013

She man, really?

61 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:12:50pm

re: #57 darthstar

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my shocked face…

62 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:14:25pm
63 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:16:40pm

Horrific news coming out of Syria

64 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:17:32pm

re: #63 NJDhockeyfan

Horrific news coming out of Syria

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Assad is just going to keep killing kids until someone stops him. The man is fucking crazy.

65 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:17:47pm

re: #22 darthstar

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Never mind. Misread the badly coloured chart.

66 SchadenBoner  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:18:53pm

re: #62 darthstar

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He’s betting that, by predicting high-probability events (Nuge’s heart giving out to coke and pork and his drunken slattern of a wife getting locked up) he’ll look prescient when they occur.

67 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:20:48pm

When this NSA story broke everyone was worried about the government spying on us.

Now it seems to be shifting to everyone will start to worry who is spying on the US.

68 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:20:53pm

re: #64 darthstar

Assad is just going to keep killing kids until someone stops him. The man is fucking crazy.

How much longer will this monster stay in power? I don’t want to see the pictures.

69 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:21:52pm
70 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:23:57pm


2119: British MPs have rejected an opposition amendment calling for more evidence that President Assad’s forces had used chemical weapons in Damascus by 220 votes to 332.
71 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:25:23pm


That’s the first threaded tweet I’ve noticed. There was a little purple line from one to the other.

72 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:26:16pm

re: #71 wrenchwench

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That’s the first threaded tweet I’ve noticed. There was a little purple line from one to the other.

Yeah…new feature. It’s not all bad.

73 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:26:40pm
74 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:31:16pm
2127: Ian Pannell BBC News,

reports from northern Syria on a bomb attack that left 10 dead and many others with horrific burns earlier this week. “Whatever Britain, France and America decide, what matters here is not how people are dying but death itself,” he says. Video of his report will be posted on the website very soon.

75 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:32:04pm

re: #65 Romantic Heretic

Um. At what point did the U.S. start supporting the Muslim Brotherhood?

I think that’s the “has no clue” arrow…the color is similar to the “supports” arrow.

76 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:32:25pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

It’s equally disgusting, by the way, that the Arab News actually published this vile article.

They’ve cleaned up this stuff a lot, but I think people have mostly forgotten how completely insane the Arab News used to be. And not in a good way at all.

77 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:33:25pm

Drive-by post: A couple of Syria inforgraphics that might be useful for some.


78 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:35:14pm



79 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:35:28pm

re: #77 CuriousLurker

Drive-by post: A couple of Syria inforgraphics that might be useful for some.

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2 Russian destroyers are headed for the Mediterranean. Technically, these two are already out gunned.

80 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:36:23pm

So who the hell is Julian Assange then really? Who does he work for? I wonder what you’d find if you followed his money?

81 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:36:30pm

2133:

The UK government has lost the vote on Syria by 285 votes to 272.

82 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:37:50pm

2135:

UK Prime Minister David Cameron tells MPs: “It’s clear to me that the British parliament and the British people do not wish to see military action; I get that, and I will act accordingly.”

83 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:39:31pm

Yup. Gonna be very difficult now to get a UN Security Council resolution.

84 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:40:17pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

There will be other votes.

85 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:42:53pm
86 urbanmeemaw  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:45:51pm

re: #80 A Mom Anon

Considering Wikileaks’ involvement with the Snowbros, I’m wondering who the Snowbros are working for and who has been funding Snowden’s adventures?

87 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:46:31pm

re: #86 urbanmeemaw

as always…. follow the money

88 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:54:23pm

HERE ARE YOUR NEW OVERLORDS.

Overlord A (Notice that she already knows how to make the Hand Sign)

Overlord B.

Both weighed in over 5 lbs. Now their mama can relax!! Or maybe not. :)

89 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:54:52pm
90 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:56:32pm
91 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:56:48pm
92 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:57:27pm

Oh noz! I iz RTing UK conservative! ;)

93 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:57:42pm
94 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:58:24pm
95 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 2:59:49pm

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

HERE ARE YOUR NEW OVERLORDS.

Overlord A (Notice that she already knows how to make the Hand Sign)

Overlord B.

Both weighed in over 5 lbs. Now their mama can relax!! Or maybe not. :)

Overload Overlord A is a Vulcan! How cool is THAT???

( gah! edited to change “overload” to “overlord”… I must have been thinking of diapers…)

96 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:00:41pm
97 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:01:45pm
98 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:04:12pm

We still have the French to count on.

99 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:05:23pm

They could have at least voted against military action but at the same time seek further inquiry in CWs use. They basically voted “fuck it we don’t care.”

100 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:06:18pm

2119: British MPs have rejected an opposition amendment calling for more evidence that President Assad’s forces had used chemical weapons in Damascus by 220 votes to 332.

2133: The UK government has lost the vote on Syria by 285 votes to 272.

101 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:07:58pm

That’s fucked up.

102 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:08:37pm

Tweeters gittin cranky.


I think she GAZED in response.

103 bravo.charlie  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:08:42pm

Ok, so Snowden stole Top Secret information from the NSA. He is a thief. Probably even a spy.

That being said, he did a good thing in releasing the information because, simply, the NSA is ABUSING their power.

I would compare this to Bob breaking in to Alice’s house and stealing her DVDs. Bob gets home and is looking at what he stole, and found a video of Alice torturing little kitties.

Bob turns around and gives the DVD to the police. Sure Bob should be arrested and punished for stealing the DVDs, but should Alice get away with torturing little kitties, or should she also be punished? After all, she also committed a punishable crime.

As a citizen of the United States, I have certain expectations of privacy. Not being tracked is one of those expectations. Why should the NSA have the ability to intercept my private messages without a warrant? Common courts say that they cannot, yet they are as proven by the classified documents released by Snowden.

The NSA seems to be hiding their illegal activity behind the wall of “Classified”. They, as well as the judiciary parties involved in the oversight, should all be punished. And the dear folks who have lied to congress?

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

104 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:09:51pm

Oh, boy.

105 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:09:52pm
106 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:11:01pm

re: #103 bravo.charlie

Greetings, hatchling.

107 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:11:05pm

lolwut

108 McSpiff  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:11:20pm

re: #103 bravo.charlie

Man, its not easy being 14 anymore. Millions of people will be reading the stupid shit you wrote years from now…

109 brennant  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:12:19pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

Yup. Gonna be very difficult now to get a UN Security Council resolution.

Amazing. …and if the UN comes back with absolute proof that Assad gassed his own people? We send a letter?

110 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:12:59pm

I think the Seekrit Lab cloned triple by mistake.

111 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:13:16pm

re: #103 bravo.charlie

Right. The NSA is just like torturing kitties. FFS people like you make it much more difficult to bring up the legitimate points about the NSA. Go away, the adults need to talk.

112 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:13:18pm

re: #103 bravo.charlie

Oh man. Is it considered too early in the afternoon for a dudebro drinking game?

Given that I’m still waiting on the inspector, probably…

113 allegro  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:13:45pm

re: #103 bravo.charlie

That being said, he did a good thing in releasing the information because, simply, the NSA is ABUSING their power.

Citation needed.

Abusing kittens? Really?

114 McSpiff  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:14:13pm

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

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I don’t think it would be in Cameron’s best interest to compound losing this vote by thumbing his nose at parliament. That leads to no-confidence votes very quickly I imagine.

115 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:14:43pm

re: #113 allegro

Citation needed.

Abusing kittens? Really?

The NSA made me post this.

116 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:15:04pm
117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:16:25pm

re: #103 bravo.charlie

way to make a first impression…

118 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:17:05pm

re: #109 brennant

Amazing. …and if the UN comes back with absolute proof that Assad gassed his own people? We send a letter?

a very STERNLY WORDED letter…

119 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:17:10pm

re: #103 bravo.charlie

Let me guess. Your name really isn’t “Charlie.”

120 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:17:31pm

re: #103 bravo.charlie

As a citizen of the United States, I have certain expectations of privacy. Not being tracked is one of those expectations.

How do you square this with the fact that you willingly signed over ownership of all your cellphone metadata to an international telecom so it could be sold to any marketing conglomerate willing to pay for it?

Why should the NSA have the ability to intercept my private messages without a warrant? Common courts say that they cannot, yet they are as proven by the classified documents released by Snowden.

It’s proven that they can archive your metadata, not the content of your conversations. As a citizen inside the US they can only access your archived data with a FISA warrant.

There’s an argument to be made for increased transparency, oversight, and EULA reform, unfortunately you’re not making it. All you’re doing is airing your unrealistic expectations and poor understanding of the state of play.

121 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:18:09pm

re: #99 Gus

They could have at least voted against military action but at the same time seek further inquiry in CWs use. They basically voted “fuck it we don’t care.”

What do you want the UK or the US to do about Syria? Send soldiers to fight the Assad regime and the pro-Assad rebels? Will a few air strikes be sufficient to disable the Assad regime? I can understand British and American resistance to not get involved in another Middle East war after Iraq. Plus the US is not even out of Afghanistan yet.

122 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:18:28pm

re: #119 Gus

Let me guess. Your name really isn’t “Charlie.”

Duh, it’s Alpha.

//

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:20:05pm
124 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:20:25pm

re: #119 Gus

Impressive interval between reg and 1st rant, though.

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:20:50pm

re: #121 Patricia Kayden

What do you want the UK or the US to do about Syria? Send soldiers to fight the Assad regime and the pro-Assad rebels? Will a few air strikes be sufficient to disable the Assad regime? I can understand British and American resistance to not get involved in another Middle East war after Iraq. Plus the US is not even out of Afghanistan yet.

I won’t speak for Gus, but I also don’t understand why Parliament defeated an amendment for more information about who exactly is responsible for the chemical weapons.
After the Iraq debacle, it just seems prudent to at least make some inquiries to confirm who is responsible.

126 blueraven  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:20:59pm

Please Lizards…Stop and think of the poor little kittehs!!

127 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:21:06pm

re: #123 Feline Fearless Leader

Image: Ghost_Kitty.JPG

Wait wait wait, is that like a third kitteh upgrade? How did you unlock it, I must knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww because then maybe I can finally stop.

128 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:21:11pm

I don’t have the stomach to stick around for the absurd derp, but here’s some additional info from Ars Technica on what was involved in Snowden’s breach & theft:

Sysadmin security fail: NSA finds Snowden hijacked officials’ logins
Snowden reportedly used high-ranking official’s profiles to troll NSA’s intranet.

[…] Under Department of Defense (DOD) Directive 8500.2, the director of the NSA, Gen. Keith Alexander, is tasked with approving all the cryptographic hardware and software used by the DOD. The NSA also provides “information assurance” and information system security engineering services to DOD branches and agencies. And along with the National Institute of Standards and Technology, the NSA maintains the master guide for DOD information security systems: the Information Assurance Technical Framework (IATF).

But in what appears to be a case of “do as I say, not as I do,” the NSA’s internal IT security schemes allowed Snowden, a contractor sysadmin, to pull off a classic insider attack on the agency. An investigation by NBC found that Snowden had used the digital identities of several upper-level NSA officials to log into NSAnet, the agency’s intranet—giving him access to data far beyond the needs of a lowly system administrator.

Attack of the superuser

The systems accessed by Snowden limit access by user role, so he could not have used his own credentials on them without overriding access controls. Officials familiar with the case told NBC that Snowden had obtained the “profiles” of a number of NSA employees that have been identified through forensic examination of logs, finding periods when the employees were traveling but their accounts were still used to access the intranet. If Snowden used administrative privileges to reset their passwords, failed logins might have flagged a problem—but they might have simply been shrugged off as passwords forgotten over vacation.

In order to pull this off without raising alarms, Snowden would have needed access to the full credentials of the users whose identities he borrowed. He would have needed to somehow either gain access to the public key infrastructure (PKI) keys found in their user authentication or he would have needed to override multi-factor authentication to gain access to the systems. He would have had to avoid detection by audit logs in making those changes, or deleted the record of changes after the fact. He managed to do all of these things, download the content, and get it past the NSA’s physical security. […]

arstechnica.com

129 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:21:21pm

Syria crisis: Incendiary bomb victims ‘like the walking dead’

A BBC team inside Syria filming for Panorama has witnessed the aftermath of a fresh horrific incident - an incendiary bomb dropped onto a school playground in the north of the country - which has left scores of children with napalm-like burns over their bodies.

Eyewitnesses describe a fighter jet dropping the device, a low explosion, followed by columns of fire and smoke.

Ian Pannell and cameraman Darren Conway’s report contains images viewers may find extremely distressing.

130 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:21:44pm
131 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:22:13pm

re: #126 blueraven

Please Lizards…Stop and think of the poor little kittehs!!

I just subjected one of mine to corporal cuddling.

132 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:22:18pm

I totally understand war weariness. I feel it. I’d love to see this thing taken care of without an attack or worse. But those who want to use BushCheneyPowellSaddamCurveball to auto reject the notion take a risk. A risk that misplaced doubts about our Presidents veracity and reluctance to act for civilized powers will green light far worse then the attacks we have now seen confirmed in Syria.

Those who accept that risk are not at risk of harm though are they? They are not in range of the weapons, for now. Might their opinion change with a working delivery system to the US with warheads to truly fear?

133 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:22:37pm

re: #127 klys

Wait wait wait, is that like a third kitteh upgrade? How did you unlock it, I must knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww because then maybe I can finally stop.

That’s the first and cheapest kitty upgrade. Upgrades in general have been buggy as the versions are updated.

134 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:22:43pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

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Is that Romney’s offshore money blowing up?

135 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:22:49pm
136 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:23:30pm

re: #127 klys

Wait wait wait, is that like a third kitteh upgrade? How did you unlock it, I must knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww because then maybe I can finally stop.

My version upgraded overnight (1.03 now and it was there.) Very cheap to buy and available with a low number of achievements. “Kitten Helpers” I think is the proper title.

I’m letting it run background currently since I have all the upgrades (57) and 68 of 72 achievements. At this point it’s just grinding out time machines, some portals, and some more damn cursors.

137 bratwurst  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:23:44pm

re: #103 bravo.charlie

I would compare this to Bob breaking in to Alice’s house and stealing her DVDs. Bob gets home and is looking at what he stole, and found a video of Alice torturing little kitties.

Bob turns around and gives the DVD to the police. Sure Bob should be arrested and punished for stealing the DVDs, but should Alice get away with torturing little kitties, or should she also be punished? After all, she also committed a punishable crime.

As a citizen of the United States, I have certain expectations of privacy. Not being tracked is one of those expectations. Why should the NSA have the ability to intercept my private messages without a warrant? Common courts say that they cannot, yet they are as proven by the classified documents released by Snowden.

The NSA seems to be hiding their illegal activity behind the wall of “Classified”. They, as well as the judiciary parties involved in the oversight, should all be punished. And the dear folks who have lied to congress?

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

I literally feel dumber for having read that.

138 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:24:54pm
139 allegro  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:25:11pm
140 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:25:13pm

re: #132 Political Atheist

I totally understand war weariness. I feel it. I’d love to see this thing taken care of without an attack or worse. But those who want to use BushCheneyPowellSaddamCurveball to auto reject the notion take a risk. A risk that misplaced doubts about our Presidents veracity and reluctance to act for civilized powers will green light far worse then the attacks we have now seen confirmed in Syria.

Those who accept that risk are not at risk of harm though are they? They are not in range of the weapons, for now. Might their opinion change with a working delivery system to the US with warheads to truly fear?

And that’s why the relentless RW/TP assault on the President’s credibility takes a weapon out of our arsenal. Any enemy reading the nutcase press will assume the CiC has no ability to lead.

141 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:25:58pm

re: #137 bratwurst

I literally feel dumber for having read that.

I thought the Snowden = Batman freak from a few days ago was significantly more idiotic. Time will tell with this one.

142 blueraven  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:26:45pm

re: #139 allegro

Image: what_you_did.jpg

How come no one cares about the little puppies, huh?

143 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:27:18pm
144 jamesfirecat  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:28:58pm

re: #103 bravo.charlie

Ok, so Snowden stole Top Secret information from the NSA. He is a thief. Probably even a spy.

That being said, he did a good thing in releasing the information because, simply, the NSA is ABUSING their power.

I would compare this to Bob breaking in to Alice’s house and stealing her DVDs. Bob gets home and is looking at what he stole, and found a video of Alice torturing little kitties.

Bob turns around and gives the DVD to the police. Sure Bob should be arrested and punished for stealing the DVDs, but should Alice get away with torturing little kitties, or should she also be punished? After all, she also committed a punishable crime.

As a citizen of the United States, I have certain expectations of privacy. Not being tracked is one of those expectations. Why should the NSA have the ability to intercept my private messages without a warrant? Common courts say that they cannot, yet they are as proven by the classified documents released by Snowden.

The NSA seems to be hiding their illegal activity behind the wall of “Classified”. They, as well as the judiciary parties involved in the oversight, should all be punished. And the dear folks who have lied to congress?

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

When you purposely break the law to obtain evidence that makes the evidence “Posioned Fruit” and no good in court.

So if you break into someone’s house to search it for say child pornography, it does not matter if you find it or not.

Police need Warents to search your home the rest of us should obey other’s property, breaking the law to try and pusish others for doing the same gets is nowhere as a society.

145 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:30:36pm

re: #129 Gus

Syria crisis: Incendiary bomb victims ‘like the walking dead’

Looks pretty bad but as we’ve seen from liveleak there is a video propaganda battle going on over the past year so I’m suspicious of videos. There are certainly kids among the wounded shown but about half seem military aged males (20-30 years) and one or two women. It is possible that rebels were firing from the school or took shelter there. As we’ve seen in other areas, the civilians rarely complain about this sort of thing. Sad video but it’s hard to tell much about what’s really going on.

146 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:32:42pm

re: #132 Political Atheist

I totally understand war weariness. I feel it. I’d love to see this thing taken care of without an attack or worse. But those who want to use BushCheneyPowellSaddamCurveball to auto reject the notion take a risk. A risk that misplaced doubts about our Presidents veracity and reluctance to act for civilized powers will green light far worse then the attacks we have now seen confirmed in Syria.

Those who accept that risk are not at risk of harm though are they? They are not in range of the weapons, for now. Might their opinion change with a working delivery system to the US with warheads to truly fear?

Obdicut’s question from yesterday remains pertinent —- if an intervention is going to be made, why should the US lead the charge (or worse yet, be the only nation involved).

As a matter of brutal realpolitik, the US cannot afford to become more of a lightning rod for all the world’s grievances than it already it by acting as the only international cop.

Other civilized nations need to step up to the plate and act.

147 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:35:05pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Looks pretty bad but as we’ve seen from liveleak there is a video propaganda battle going on over the past year so I’m suspicious of videos. There are certainly kids among the wounded shown but about half seem military aged males (20-30 years) and one or two women. It is possible that rebels were firing from the school or took shelter there. As we’ve seen in other areas, the civilians rarely complain about this sort of thing. Sad video but it’s hard to tell much about what’s really going on.

There is no justification for a Syrian jet dropping incendiary weaponry on a school.

None.

148 jamesfirecat  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:35:31pm

re: #146 EPR-radar

Obdicut’s question from yesterday remains pertinent —- if an intervention is going to be made, why should the US lead the charge (or worse yet, be the only nation involved).

As a matter of brutal realpolitik, the US cannot afford to become more of a lightning rod for all the world’s grievances than it already it by acting as the only international cop.

Other civilized nations need to step up to the plate and act.

Honestly in a perfect world I imagine the UN exists for something like this. Maybe all countries are forced to contribute a given percentage of their armed forces to form a UN army and then have that army land like a ton of bricks on people who do shit as evil as using chemical weapons on their own civilians.


Of course I am sure in reality that suggestion would go down in a hail of AGENDA 21 related derp….

149 blueraven  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:35:57pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Looks pretty bad but as we’ve seen from liveleak there is a video propaganda battle going on over the past year so I’m suspicious of videos. There are certainly kids among the wounded shown but about half seem military aged males (20-30 years) and one or two women. It is possible that rebels were firing from the school or took shelter there. As we’ve seen in other areas, the civilians rarely complain about this sort of thing. Sad video but it’s hard to tell much about what’s really going on.

Really? This from someone who sees in videos, all the horrors of OWS and none of the police over reaction to same.

150 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:36:03pm
151 Stoatly  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:36:24pm

re: #103 bravo.charlie

Youtube Video

152 urbanmeemaw  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:36:41pm

re: #128 CuriousLurker

Did he do all of this by himself or was he helped? That’s one of my questions.

153 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:37:06pm

re: #148 jamesfirecat

Honestly in a perfect world I imagine the UN exists for something like this. Maybe all countries are forced to contribute a given percentage of their armed forces to form a UN army and then have that army land like a ton of bricks on people who do shit as evil as using chemical weapons on their own civilians.

Of course I am sure in reality that suggestion would go down in a hail of AGENDA 21 related derp….

Not to mention the nationalistic freak-out that would occur from putting *our* troops under the command of some other nation’s general! (Just see how that went over historically in WW1 and WW2.)

154 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:39:04pm

re: #147 makeitstop

There is no justification for a Syrian jet dropping incendiary weaponry on a school.

None.

Maybe the maternity ward was empty.

155 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:41:32pm

Hooray, inspection passed. Praise God for good, nice, competent, wonderful inspectors who are willing to get their hands dirty to do a minor fix so that the house would pass (not something the AC folks did, but since it was there…) and he doesn’t have to come back out.

156 darthstar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:42:50pm
157 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:43:52pm

re: #144 jamesfirecat

When you purposely break the law to obtain evidence that makes the evidence “Posioned Fruit” and no good in court.

Only true for police officers and official informants working on their behalf.

158 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:46:54pm
159 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:52:03pm

re: #135 Gus

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I couldn’t watch that footage without wanting to smash something. Absolutely horrible.

160 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:52:33pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

Only true for police officers and official informants working on their behalf.

Interesting. Is there a way to get privately obtained evidence against defendant admitted in court in a criminal trial?

One would imagine there would be all kinds of problems with chain of custody etc.

161 Flounder  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:53:00pm

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

Yay!
Congrats!!!!!

162 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:53:05pm
163 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:55:17pm

re: #146 EPR-radar

The recent example in Libya comes to mind. The broader the coalition the better by far. Hey maybe no attack will happen and Assad will refrain from doing this again. If he keeps using those weapons, a coalition will form and Syria will suffer further.

164 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:58:18pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

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What I don’t understand is why some kept calling Snowden an “analyst”? Was he just there to trouble-shoot computers? He certainly wouldn’t have been considered an intel analyst, I wouldn’t think.

And are any measures being taken against Booz Allen? Are current Booz Allen contractors being investigated a bit more thoroughly by the NSA itself to prevent another “system administrator” from doing what Snowden did?

Will the entire system of hiring private contractors be scrapped at some point and the NSA start hiring directly to prevent sloppy, or non-existent vetting by contracting firms?

165 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:59:40pm
166 blueraven  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 3:59:59pm

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

What I don’t understand is why some kept calling Snowden an “analyst”? Was he just there to trouble-shoot computers? He certainly wouldn’t have been considered an intel analyst, I wouldn’t think.

And are any measures being taken against Booz Allen? Are current Booz Allen contractors being investigated a bit more thoroughly by the NSA itself to prevent another “system administrator” from doing what Snowden did?

Will the entire system of hiring private contractors be scrapped at some point and the NSA start hiring directly to prevent sloppy, or non-existent vetting by contracting firms?

I am more puzzled that some still call him a hero.

167 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:02:22pm

re: #166 blueraven

I am more puzzled that some still call him a hero.

Not if you want to destroy our form of govt. That’s pretty easy to understand coming from glibertarians and faux democrats.

168 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:02:38pm

re: #147 makeitstop

There is no justification for a Syrian jet dropping incendiary weaponry on a school.

None.

There is good cause to be suspicious of these videos. Like I said there’s a constant deluge of propaganda videos from Syria on sites like liveleak. It’s been going on for over a year. Look through the recent video tab, there are about 2 dozen uploaded every day. Examples from the past few hours…

I in no way support the rebels,or any thing that the narrator is saying is all biased, this video shows how unorganised and lacking in discipline these fighters are. Failure to be able to carry
out basic orders.

~A brief documented journey of how a reporter followed the terrorists of the FSa and Al-Nusra through the streets of Aleppo.

Liveleak Video


The remains of a foot patrol in Jobar lie dead after they were ambushed near the Baath party building.


Resistance operations against the forces of genocidal dictator assad in Jobar have increased, not decreased in the days since the regime’s 4th armoured division attempted to de-popuate the area, by means of a chemical weapon terror attack.

The citizen soldiers took the fifth loyalist alive, but he succumbed to gunshot injuries sustained during the initial contact.

Liveleak Video

You should take these videos with a grain of salt, look critically and judge evidence for yourself, not what people tell you.

169 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:02:39pm

re: #128 CuriousLurker

I don’t have the stomach to stick around for the absurd derp, but here’s some additional info from Ars Technica on what was involved in Snowden’s breach & theft:

arstechnica.com

Interesting … but seems kind of speculative. I think it’s possible he may have gotten the sign-in information some other way that didn’t involve complicated hacking, through social engineering. I’m sure they’ve taken a very close look at the users whose accounts Snowden hijacked.

170 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:03:11pm
171 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:06:21pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

Interesting … but seems kind of speculative. I think it’s possible he may have gotten the sign-in information some other way that didn’t involve complicated hacking, through social engineering. I’m sure they’ve taken a very close look at the users whose accounts Snowden hijacked.

Do you think he may have had some inside help? He would have had to develop some relationships fairly quickly, unless there are others equivalent to him already inside; were sent in, like he was.

172 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:06:33pm

re: #149 blueraven

Really? This from someone who sees in videos, all the horrors of OWS and none of the police over reaction to same.

Didn’t you know? The Syrian rebels are just the OWS of the Middle East.

///

173 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:06:37pm

You know what really annoys the hell out of me about all the self-righteousness coming from the moonbats right now? The vast majority of them didn’t give a hairy rat’s ass about “freedom” and “privacy” and “government overreach” as long as it was Muslims (or Blacks & Hispanics) being profiled, questioned, etc. It wasn’t until they realized it was everyone—including their own white, privileged, emoprog selves & friends—under the microscope that it suddenly became horrible, soul-shredding, America-destroying tyranny. Puhleeze. Gimme an effing break, m’kay?

//I’ve been carrying that little rant around for a few weeks now and needed to vent, so thanks for listening.

174 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:07:26pm

re: #170 wrenchwench

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The French still might be interested. Looks like another coalition of the willing. I imagine some eastern European countries might send token support as well.

175 blueraven  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:07:41pm

I am sick of the News channels comparing this possible action to the Iraq war.
First and foremost we are not talking about a full scale invasion of a country.
Secondly, there is pretty solid evidence of chemical weapons being used. Not in the distant past but now. And used on innocent children while they sleep.
Having been burned about the Iraq war is coloring a lot of opinion.
Good people can differ on whether or not we should do anything in Syria.
But let us be honest about the differences here.

176 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:09:06pm

re: #173 CuriousLurker

You know what really annoys the hell out of me about all the self-righteousness coming form the moonbats right now? The vast majority of them didn’t give a hairy rat’s ass about “freedom” and “privacy” and “government overreach” as long as it was Muslims (or Blacks & Hispanics) being profiled, questioned, etc. It wasn’t until they realized it was everyone—including their own white, privileged, emoprog selves & freinds under the microscope—that it suddenly became horrible, soul-shredding, America-destroying tyranny. Puhleeze. Gimme an effing break, m’kay?

//I’ve been carrying that little rant around for a few weeks now and needed to vent, so thanks for listening.

In my chemistry class in high school (of all the classes, right?), we ended up in a major discussion on the Patriot Act (which was being debated at the time) and I was shocked (somewhat naively) to hear some of my classmates in favor of profiling.

Of course, it goes without saying that they were the white males.

I suspect if I looked for their opinions now, it wouldn’t be too surprising to see one or two of them as Snowden fanboys.

177 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:10:11pm

re: #173 CuriousLurker

You know what really annoys the hell out of me about all the self-righteousness coming form the moonbats right now? The vast majority of them didn’t give a hairy rat’s ass about “freedom” and “privacy” and “government overreach” as long as it was Muslims (or Blacks & Hispanics) being profiled, questioned, etc. It wasn’t until they realized it was everyone—including their own white, privileged, emoprog selves & freinds under the microscope—that it suddenly became horrible, soul-shredding, America-destroying tyranny. Puhleeze. Gimme an effing break, m’kay?

//I’ve been carrying that little rant around for a few weeks now and needed to vent, so thanks for listening.

Not to mention that the surveillance has been exaggerated and lied about while the problems with, say, SB1070 and ‘stop & frisk’ were ignored by most of the dudebros.

178 McSpiff  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:11:10pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

Not to mention that the surveillance has been exaggerated and lied about while the problems with, say, SB1070 and ‘stop & frisk’ were ignored by most of the dudebros.

Ron Paul Revolution. Rights for white land owning males!

179 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:12:01pm
180 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:12:28pm

An interesting part of the Ars Technica article:

Networks classified as secret and above at the DOD are supposed to be protected by layers of intrusion detection and automated auditing systems. Security event information management (SEIM) systems and other internal network monitoring tools can be configured to catch log events that human eyes might miss—like a user from Fort Meade logging in unexpectedly from a station in Hawaii. A number of SEIM systems are used by organizations within the DOD for security auditing.

But based on statements by Gen. Alexander and reports about the breach, it appears that the NSA—the agency responsible for monitoring the networks of the world—didn’t have a great deal of automated monitoring inside its own firewalls. Instead of using automated systems, the NSA apparently depends on an army of system administrators for its internal defenses—administrators like Edward Snowden. With masses of log data to check through, Snowden likely slipped past the eyes of other administrators or managed to delete or alter log records before they raised suspicion.

181 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:13:05pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

Not to mention that the surveillance has been exaggerated and lied about while the problems with, say, SB1070 and ‘stop & frisk’ were ignored by most of the dudebros.

Someone here pointed out a few weeks back that improper domestic FBI operations against left leaning groups and individuals still occur.

Another issue the libertarians and dudebros are blind to, of course.

182 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:13:37pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

There is good cause to be suspicious of these videos. Like I said there’s a constant deluge of propaganda videos from Syria on sites like liveleak. It’s been going on for over a year. Look through the recent video tab, there are about 2 dozen uploaded every day. Examples from the past few hours…

[Embedded content]

You should take these videos with a grain of salt, look critically and judge evidence for yourself, not what people tell you.

In all fairness, I doubt rather highly that the ‘opposition’ forces in Syria could drop a thermite bomb.

Because they don’t have an air force.

183 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:14:04pm
184 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:14:18pm

That’s why Snowden knew he had to bail out right quick. He knew it wouldn’t be long before his activities were detected one way or another. The people he impersonated may have had a history of logging in to those servers too, which would have helped him escape detection.

185 McSpiff  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:14:50pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

If he can alter or destroy logs that’s a pretty shocking oversight on the NSA’s part.

186 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:17:49pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

I suspect that business of not much automatic monitoring inside the NSA firewall has been fixed by now.

However, it was idiotic to rely only on humans to solve the “who watches the watchmen?” problem in the first place. The genius who signed off on that needs to be removed for incompetence.

187 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:18:33pm

re: #186 EPR-radar

I suspect that business of not much automatic monitoring inside the NSA firewall has been fixed by now.

However, it was idiotic to rely only on humans to solve the “who watches the watchmen?” problem in the first place. The genius who signed off on that needs to be removed for incompetence.

Or investigated for payments by foreign intelligence services.

188 psddluva4evah  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:18:36pm

Hi everyone.

Long time lurker, finally decided to jump into the conversation. You guys always seem like an interesting bunch, so I figured hey why not join in.

I actually follow alot of you guys on twitter (twitter handle same as username) and a number of commenters seem to overlap with other blogs I frequent too (like Balloon Juice, my handle: lamh36), so I feel like I know some of ya’ll already.

Been at work all day, so I’m gonna catch up on my blog roll.

TTFN.

189 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:18:43pm

I remember when Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds. I was hoping that Clinton would bomb his military back to the stone age. He didn’t and I was furious.

190 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:19:31pm

re: #188 psddluva4evah

Hi everyone.

Long time lurker, finally decided to jump into the conversation. You guys always seem like an interesting bunch, so I figured hey why not join in.

I actually follow alot of you guys on twitter (twitter handle same as username) and a number of commenters seem to overlap with other blogs I frequent too (like Balloon Juice, my handle: lamh36), so I feel like I know some of ya’ll already.

Been at work all day, so I’m gonna catch up on my blog roll.

TTFN.

Welcome, hatchling. At some point, I will be curious to know what “psdd” stands for. :)

191 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:20:03pm

re: #189 Gus

In retrospect, he knew what Reagan had been doing.

192 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:20:13pm

re: #188 psddluva4evah

Hi everyone.

Long time lurker, finally decided to jump into the conversation. You guys always seem like an interesting bunch, so I figured hey why not join in.

I actually follow alot of you guys on twitter (twitter handle same as username) and a number of commenters seem to overlap with other blogs I frequent too (like Balloon Juice, my handle: lamh36), so I feel like I know some of ya’ll already.

Been at work all day, so I’m gonna catch up on my blog roll.

TTFN.

Hi Nelly!

193 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:20:25pm

re: #185 McSpiff

I kind of doubt that he altered logs - that looks like speculation on AT’s part. I think he was counting on squeaking through long enough to get as much as possible - maybe because he knew that the users he impersonated were likely to log in to the same servers and download materials? The first documents that came out looked like orientation docs for new trainees - maybe these were instructors and their training docs were hosted on the same servers as more sensitive stuff?

This is me, speculating.

194 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:20:41pm

I wouldn’t be surprised if Booz never gets another government contract… ever.

195 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:20:46pm

re: #188 psddluva4evah

Hello.

196 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:20:56pm

re: #188 psddluva4evah

Welcome!

197 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:21:30pm

re: #188 psddluva4evah

welcome from delurking!

198 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:22:08pm

re: #194 piratedan

I wouldn’t be surprised if Booz never gets another government contract… ever.

That would be a sensible outcome, which is why it is most unlikely.

199 McSpiff  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:22:20pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

I kind of doubt that he altered logs - that looks like speculation on AT’s part. I think he was counting on squeaking through long enough to get as much as possible - maybe because he knew that the users he impersonated were likely to log in to the same servers and download materials? The first documents that came out looked like orientation docs for new trainees - maybe these were instructors and their training docs were hosted on the same servers as more sensitive stuff?

This is me, speculating.

Agreed. Gawd this whole thing is a nightmare..

200 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:23:59pm

Oh, good grief, without quoting a single word from MLK about it, the glibertarian/emoprog/opportunists over at FDL had this headline up yesterday:

MLK is Why We Should Always Question the Surveillance State.

That was really a really vile way to try to drum up support for thieves and traitors.

201 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:24:32pm

OK, I like this from Teju.

202 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:24:54pm

re: #188 psddluva4evah

Welcome, hatchling.

203 psddluva4evah  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:26:59pm

re: #192 Gus

hey dude!

re: #190 klys

It stands for “PatrickSwazeDirtyDancing”luva4evah…

Image: sheepish.png

204 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:27:53pm

re: #188 psddluva4evah

Welcome to our humble abode!

205 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:28:20pm

re: #201 Gus

There is no good choice in Syria. Assad is a mass-murderer, and the dominant rebel parties tend to be radicals funded by the gulf, who would do the same.

206 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:28:37pm

re: #194 piratedan

I wouldn’t be surprised if Booz never gets another government contract… ever.

They’ll have to demonstrate a housecleaning, but there is probably no serious competitor out there. Check the history of leadership—they are the other half of the NSA revolving door.

207 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:28:51pm

re: #191 ProTARDISLiberal

In retrospect, he knew what Reagan had been doing.

Oops. I thought it was Clinton. Had a derp moment. It was Reagan.

208 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:29:54pm

re: #199 McSpiff

Agreed. Gawd this whole thing is a nightmare..

It was the first part of the second paragraph that got me:

Under Department of Defense (DOD) Directive 8500.2, the director of the NSA, Gen. Keith Alexander, is tasked with approving all the cryptographic hardware and software used by the DOD. The NSA also provides “information assurance” and information system security engineering services to DOD branches and agencies.

I imagine there are a couple of countries and numerous terrorist organizations that would love to get their hands on some of that stuff, and we still don’t know exactly what Snowdouche took or whose hands it ended up in.

209 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:30:19pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

sounds like a business opportunity! a market niche begging to be filled!

210 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:30:28pm
211 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:31:14pm

Jesus Youtube, volume level your shit!

212 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:32:00pm

re: #209 piratedan

sounds like a business opportunity! a market niche begging to be filled!

Go for it, but you’ll need massive change to buy the needed ex-NSA expertise.

213 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:32:06pm

re: #207 Gus

I think it is particularly scummy of Galloway to cheer over dead bodies. Including that infant.

I wish we hadn’t gone into Iraq, then we might be more willing to be aggressive.

I really want a poll of American feelings on people dying in Syria. I would guess at least 35% of people would feel the same as my dad.

Coincidentally, I now tend to listen to Blue-sy-er music.

214 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:32:22pm
215 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:33:13pm

re: #212 Decatur Deb

screw that, I’ll just fake my resume, after all, who’s gonna vette me? //

216 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:34:05pm

re: #203 psddluva4evah

hey dude!

It stands for “PatrickSwazeDirtyDancing”luva4evah…

Image: sheepish.png

NTTAWWT.

217 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:34:50pm

TANSTAAFL.

218 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:35:39pm

IOKIYAR.

219 klys  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:35:50pm

re: #203 psddluva4evah

hey dude!

It stands for “PatrickSwazeDirtyDancing”luva4evah…

Image: sheepish.png

I have no room to judge, was just curious. :)

220 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:36:33pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

establishing your geek cred with a Niven throwback eh?

221 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:36:40pm

re: #215 piratedan

screw that, I’ll just fake my resume, after all, who’s gonna vette me? //

Oh. Thought you wanted to replace BA, not join them. For good reasons and bad, decades of government ‘streamlining’ have left very little of the old Civil Service operational infrastructure. In many agencies, all that is left is a core of middle grades charged with overseeing the contracts of companies that are richer, smarter, and more lawless than they are.

222 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:38:14pm
223 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:39:08pm

One thing the Media Library is great for - saving tweets in a searchable form.

224 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:39:22pm

re: #221 Decatur Deb

well hell, Deb, don’t start getting squeamish on me now! In a way, I do wish there was a viable alternative, the dangers are very real though, new company, infiltration, having to set up a structure that will be government compliant from day one and be familiar with all of the requisite clearances and protocols.

Still, I would love to see SOMETHING happen to those guys that let this wolf through the door, CEO getting fired and some massive financial penalties, a few select careers ruined.

225 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:39:36pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

They’ll have to demonstrate a housecleaning, but there is probably no serious competitor out there. Check the history of leadership—they are the other half of the NSA revolving door.

I see no reason why this kind of intelligence work needs to be outsourced mainly to massively line the pockets of a few well-connected contractor executives.

Bring it all in house. Intelligence contractors for making spy satellites etc. makes sense, but not for use/analysis of gathered intelligence.

What’s next, outsourcing HUMINT spy masters to the private sector?

226 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:40:46pm

If you’ve ever gotten a “tweet too long” error using our LGF Connect feature even though the counter showed you weren’t at the limit (I have, several times), it’s now fixed for good. The counter is now accurate to the character.

227 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:41:25pm

re: #221 Decatur Deb

Saved this
for you, re: comment you made yesterday.

Phillip Agnew had hoped to speak at the March on Washington anniversary commemoration about his generation carrying on Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream.

Agnew was on the agenda and on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial at Wednesday’s observation of the 1963 march. He says he was about to go to the podium, but the Rev. Al Sharpton walked up to speak instead. He says he was told some speakers went too long, so there was not time for him.

Agnew is executive director of a group, called Dream Defenders, that formed after the 2012 fatal shooting of unarmed Florida teenager Trayvon Martin.

Agnew says he’s not angry at organizers. His parents heard him speak at a march event last Saturday. At that event, Agnew said “this is our time.”

228 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:41:38pm

re: #224 piratedan

well hell, Deb, don’t start getting squeamish on me now! In a way, I do wish there was a viable alternative, the dangers are very real though, new company, infiltration, having to set up a structure that will be government compliant from day one and be familiar with all of the requisite clearances and protocols.

Still, I would love to see SOMETHING happen to those guys that let this wolf through the door, CEO getting fired and some massive financial penalties, a few select careers ruined.

There are always a few sacrificial lambs to be had, mostly loyalists of the last boss or people who brought Heinz to the last chili cookoff.

229 piratedan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:41:48pm

re: #225 EPR-radar

true, but with this current environment in Congress, I find it to be an unlikely choice as a solution. They’re busy trying to kill government, not add more people into the ranks

230 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:41:58pm

When you use the search function of the Media Library, it searches the text of tweets you’ve saved. Very handy, and very fast because it’s a boolean fulltext search.

231 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:42:45pm

re: #225 EPR-radar

I see no reason why this kind of intelligence work needs to be outsourced mainly to massively line the pockets of a few well-connected contractor executives.

Bring it all in house. Intelligence contractors for making spy satellites etc. makes sense, but not for use/analysis of gathered intelligence.

What’s next, outsourcing HUMINT spy masters to the private sector?

Don’t tell me—your beef is with GOP and Dem presidents since Carter.

232 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:44:21pm
233 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:45:28pm

re: #227 wrenchwench


Saved this
for you, re: comment you made yesterday.

Don’t know why they’re not getting more attention. Got in touch while I was sick, but could only offer pizza or something. Harry Belafonte joined them for a day on the FL statehouse steps. Would have crawled to make that one.

234 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:46:36pm

re: #233 Decatur Deb

Don’t know why they’re not getting more attention. Got in touch while I was sick, but could only offer pizza or something. Harry Belafonte joined them for a day on the FL statehouse steps. Would have crawled to make that one.

How’s your health now?

235 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:49:16pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

How’s your health now?

Pretty well normal. Doc said “Looked at the xrays again. You had pneumonia, but you’re cured now.”

236 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:51:58pm

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

Him saying this was good for peace or something was galling. There are dead fathers, mothers, children. This is not something to celebrate. You work to find an alternative.

But, Galloway probably approves of the mass murder.

237 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:53:50pm

re: #235 Decatur Deb

Pretty well normal. Doc said “Looked at the xrays again. You had pneumonia, but you’re cured now.”

Good to hear. Don’t let it happen again.

238 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:54:54pm

re: #237 wrenchwench

Good to hear. Don’t let it happen again.

yez’m

239 Gus  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:55:15pm

Going up!

240 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:56:24pm

re: #238 Decatur Deb

yez’m

I guess a guy married to a nurse didn’t need that. Sorry.

Mr. w had pneumonia twice in under a year. That was all he needed to end 50 years of smoking.

241 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:57:50pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

I guess a guy married to a nurse didn’t need that. Sorry.

Mr. w had pneumonia twice in under a year. That was all he needed to end 50 years of smoking.

That will do it. If that was more than 5 years ago, he’s supposed to have most of his life expectancy back.

242 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:58:43pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

That will do it. If that was more than 5 years ago, he’s supposed to have most of his life expectancy back.

More than 10 years ago now!

243 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 4:59:58pm

re: #242 wrenchwench

More than 10 years ago now!

Ah. He has the lungs of a teenager! Of course if they find the teenager he could be in trouble.

244 urbanmeemaw  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 5:00:16pm

re: #186 EPR-radar

Is there any valid reason why a system would not have an automated firewall? I’m not a systems person but I am curious as to why an organization might use a labor intensive process.

245 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 5:10:56pm

re: #194 piratedan

I wouldn’t be surprised if Booz never gets another government contract… ever.

well….I mentioned this a long time ago, but James R. Clapper Jr. is a former Booz executive.
John M. McConnell, chief intelligence officer for the Bush adminstration, is currently a Booz executive.
A bunch of other former high level government intelligence peeps now work for Booz.
I don’t think Booz Allen Hamilton is worried about losing government contracts any time soon…

246 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 5:16:03pm

re: #244 urbanmeemaw

Is there any valid reason why a system would not have an automated firewall? I’m not a systems person but I am curious as to why an organization might use a labor intensive process.

I’m sure the NSA had/has an automated firewall. Where they were apparently using mainly humans was inside their firewall, looking for suspicious internal activity.

247 AlexRogan  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 5:28:01pm

re: #173 CuriousLurker

You know what really annoys the hell out of me about all the self-righteousness coming from the moonbats right now? The vast majority of them didn’t give a hairy rat’s ass about “freedom” and “privacy” and “government overreach” as long as it was Muslims (or Blacks & Hispanics) being profiled, questioned, etc. It wasn’t until they realized it was everyone—including their own white, privileged, emoprog selves & friends—under the microscope that it suddenly became horrible, soul-shredding, America-destroying tyranny. Puhleeze. Gimme an effing break, m’kay?

//I’ve been carrying that little rant around for a few weeks now and needed to vent, so thanks for listening.

That’s a righteous rant there, CL, one that I’d love to post on every Snowcrash comment thread at Ars that I run across, but it’d be downvoted and disappeared into oblivion in short order.

248 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 5:32:59pm

Well, this is interesting, coming from an ex-CIA guy.

Limiting Systems Administrators’ Access
Steps to Prevent NSA-Type Leaks

bankinfosecurity.com

And look at this: Private employer seeking Sys Admin to handle “Network Systems Administrator (NSA) services
IAW appropriate DoD, USAF, AFOSI, and AF ISR Agency IT infrastructure regulations and directives. (my emphasis)

Minimum Experience and Education
1 yrs 0 mos and No Education Requirement

webheadtech.com

Wow, talk about a low bar…

249 Laertes  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:33:08pm

What’s new here isn’t significant, and what’s significant isn’t new.

Eyes on the ball, man. We already knew that Snowden revealed information he wasn’t authorized to reveal. That’s a far more significant offense than merely accessing information he wasn’t authorized to access.

To understand how silly this point is, consider a similar case:

Suppose some Booz-Allen contractor downloaded a bunch of classified information to a thumb drive, smuggled it out of the site, and handed it to Glenn Greenwald. A bunch of people call him a traitor. And then it turns out that every last bit of the information he published was information that he was legally allowed to access. Would you be at all impressed? Would you be any less angry with him.

Damn right you wouldn’t. You’d ask “What the hell difference does that make?” You’d say “It doesn’t matter a damn bit if you were or weren’t allowed to access the information—you weren’t allowed to publish it.”

And you’d be absolutely right.

250 Laertes  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:42:29pm

Also: Where on Earth did you get the idea that it’s only espionage if you give the enemy information that you aren’t allowed to possess yourself?

Much of the information Kim Philby passed to the Soviets was information that he was cleared to possess, so I guess you think there’s nothing wrong with what he did, right?

251 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:53:38pm

re: #249 Laertes

Actually it is significant if you care about journalism. It’s also highly significant if you care about differentiating “whistleblowers” from “spies”.

252 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 8:05:11pm

re: #250 Laertes

Go Away Gordon.

253 jonhendry  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:47:58pm

re: #129 Gus

I’m pretty sure the school attack didn’t happen today, I think it happened last week. But suddenly the report is coming out, now that they need to pump up the PR campaign.

254 jonhendry  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 9:52:29pm

re: #132 Political Atheist

“Those who accept that risk are not at risk of harm though are they? They are not in range of the weapons, for now. Might their opinion change with a working delivery system to the US with warheads to truly fear?”

Yes, yes, we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. We’ve heard *that* bullshit before.

Here’s the thing. Saddam used CW against Iran, and against Kurds. Nothing was done.

There was *no* proliferation of CW usage. It wasn’t used by Saddam during the first Gulf War. It wasn’t used by Saddam when he invaded Kuwait. It wasn’t used in Rwanda. It wasn’t used in Yugoslavia. It wasn’t used to defend Baghdad.

The arguments for why Syria Must Be Punished For Using Chemical Weapons are bullshit on stilts.

255 jonhendry  Thu, Aug 29, 2013 10:04:52pm

re: #248 Justanotherhuman

“1 yrs 0 mos and No Education Requirement

webheadtech.com

Wow, talk about a low bar…”

They probably don’t want to exclude military veterans who have training and experience, but no college degree.


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