UK Government: Greenwald’s Partner Had a Password Written on a Piece of Paper

Greenwald’s deceptive narrative collapses
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The Telegraph’s David Barrett attended a hearing today on the detention of Glenn Greenwald’s partner David Miranda, and tweeted the following amazing information:

This new information utterly destroys Greenwald’s self-serving narrative about this incident.

Greenwald, of course is reacting to the news in his usual fashion — by implying the government is lying, and spewing insults.

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401 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:40:46am

and it was probably “abcd1234”

(or “GG luvs DM”)

2 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:42:07am
3 steve_davis  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:44:48am

re: #1 Sol Berdinowitz

and it was probably “abcd1234”

(or “GG luvs DM”)

No, Glenn is more clever than that. It was his birthday, in reverse. It was that “in reverse” part that was the very cunning plan.

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:46:34am

re: #3 steve_davis

No, Glenn is more clever than that. It was his birthday, in reverse. It was that “in reverse” part that was the very cunning plan.

…joking be to got have you

5 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:47:21am

So The Guardian and their prized, angry cub reporter are just plain full of s*it?

What a bunch of thuggish amateurs, any real journalist would be ashamed to call any of that bunch one of their own.

6 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:48:59am

re: #3 steve_davis

No, Glenn is more clever than that. It was his birthday, in reverse. It was that “in reverse” part that was the very cunning plan.

Glenn is too damn clever for that, it is probably something too cute like:

4thamendment

7 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:50:04am

The reality sinks in.

8 A Mom Anon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:51:28am

If the info on the loose wasn’t so sensitive this would be hysterically funny. My oh my how the mighty are falling….

I still think the whole “I can’t get married in the US so I’m leaving” thing is a ruse. There’s a back taxes issue and who knows what else? I’m beginning to wonder if Edward Snowden isn’t the first bit of Secret Squirrel business that GG is involved in. Up to his eyeballs.

9 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:52:06am
10 A Mom Anon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:54:01am

re: #7 Vicious Babushka

LOL. Wait til they’re like 15. Both involved in some sort of sports or music lessons and both need braces. Or, well, just multiply every expense by 2.5, just to be safe.

Great photo. Love it.

11 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:54:36am

Hello LGF denizens. Just created an account, but I’ve been lurking a while since this Snowden thing has been going on. Longtime blog commenter under another username at other sites. Hope to add to the discussion in a positive way.

12 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:55:25am

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

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Not that narcissistic asswipes like GG, Snowden and others in this heap of shit give a flying fuck.

13 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:55:31am

No, no. It’s “R0nP4u14pr3z”.

GG iz teh 1337 |-|4xx0rz

14 A Mom Anon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:55:37am

re: #11 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Good Morning Hatchling. Welcome!

15 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:55:50am

re: #7 Vicious Babushka

The reality sinks in.

His look is priceless!

Oh, and Mazel Tov! I was busy yesterday when the news broke and didn’t get to congratulate you.

16 A Mom Anon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:59:53am

Dog Walk, bbl or there will be no peace in my home. I wonder, is it the Doberman part or the German Shepard part of my dog’s DNA that leads to such incessant WHINING sometimes? And talking, talking, talking….sheesh.

17 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:00:16am

And this, kiddies, is why all those soopersecret unbreakable algorithmic stochastic passwords aren’t worth crap. Wasn’t it supposed to take a quantum computer 3 millenia to crack Miranda’s shopping list?

18 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:02:15am

So, it appears that Greenwald really had no idea the kind of information that he was given from Snowden, but had no problem sending his SO Miranda off with it via the UK. Greenwald must have thought that he was smarter than everyone else in the room, except that he wasn’t in the room. He’s busy plotting his next move ignoring that the actions he helped set in motion are working against him and his narrative.

First, it was all about revealing violations of constitutional rights. Turns out that the situation was wildly exaggerated.

Then it was about the unfettered spying on everyone, and that the FISC was toothless. Of course, moments later the very documents he got from Snowden include FISC decisions and IG reports indicating significant and forceful oversight. That doesn’t mean that the oversight and rules couldn’t be subjected to still more scrutiny or that surveillance could be tightened further. But Greenwald’s accusations were wildly off the mark.

Then came word that Snowden’s document drop included all manner of intel about how the NSA and other agencies helped support the raid to get OBL.

That has absolutely nothing to do with whistle blowing and everything to do with revealing classified information that undermines US national security and the reduces the ability to use similar methods in future operations since means and methods are now more well known by those who would do the US harm.

Add to that the information about the black budget (the overall figure is well known and publicized by the NSA among others), but specific items are not necessarily public information because they go to where the nation is prioritizing efforts and countries could look at that and plan accordingly.

Snowden engaged in espionage. Greenwald covered for him, but now that cover is blown.

And Greenwald will lash out at anyone claiming everyone else has an agenda, but never actually denying the contents accurately reflect what is in there.

19 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:03:07am

Don’t pay attention to the man behind the keyboard. The government sucks and that’s all you need to know.

20 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:05:10am

And now, for a question: At one point, the court in the UK prevented the police from pursuing criminal investigations based on the contents of Miranda’s electronics (is that an accurate brief?). Is this hearing related to that? Is there a chance the hearing will change that ruling? With all the shit that has happened since, I’ve sort of lost the thread on this particular strand.

Also, amazing that he was walking around with the password on a piece of paper given all that was going on.

21 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:05:25am

Fun Fact!
My granddaughter was born making the Vulcan Hand Sign

Did you know that Vulcans are Teh Space Juice?

The Vulcan Hand Sign is actually the ancient Priestly Blessing hand sign that the Cohanim (priests) would use when blessing the worshippers at the Temple. Leonard Nimoy (who is a Juice and a descendant of this priestly lineage) incorporated the sign into the Vulcan’s character.

22 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:12:06am

re: #20 Rev_Arthur_Belling

And now, for a question: At one point, the court in the UK prevented the police from pursuing criminal investigations based on the contents of Miranda’s electronics (is that an accurate brief?). Is this hearing related to that? Is there a chance the hearing will change that ruling? With all the shit that has happened since, I’ve sort of lost the thread on this particular strand.

Also, amazing that he was walking around with the password on a piece of paper given all that was going on.

Your assessment of the workings of the British court are likely to be as good as anyone’s. Bloggers have a hard time remembering that all their information is a filtered fragment of what is going on in the day-to-day world. That’s true of simple things like a school board meeting, and vastly magnified when big dollars, ideas, lives and reputations are at stake.

23 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:15:21am

re: #21 Vicious Babushka

Fun Fact!
My granddaughter was born making the Vulcan Hand Sign

Did you know that Vulcans are Teh Space Juice?

The Vulcan Hand Sign is actually the ancient Priestly Blessing hand sign that the Cohanim (priests) would use when blessing the worshippers at the Temple. Leonard Nimoy (who is a Juice and a descendant of this priestly lineage) incorporated the sign into the Vulcan’s character.

So the Vulcans are a lost Tribe? I could build a religion or a CosCon on that.

24 freetoken  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:16:04am

re: #18 lawhawk

It’s hard to think of Snowjob and GG now as anything other than anarchists who have become international dealers in governments’ secrets.

25 MomSense  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:16:19am

I remember reading one of the first WaPo articles by Gellman regarding Snowden’s conditions and it said that he wanted the WaPo to publish the power point presentation in its entirety with an online cryptographic key within 72 hours so that Snowden could prove to a foreign embassy that he was the source of the leaks. This always stuck with me because it indicated to me that his real interest was in espionage especially when the contents of the power point were so unenlightening.

Then there was der Spiegel saying that it decided not to publish some of the information Snowden gave them because it would have revealed agents.

And as more information comes out about the contents of the information, his behavior with the Russians, etc. I really do think that this presents as someone who committed espionage and not remotely a whistleblower.

I don’t know what Greenwald’s involvement in this is. It could be that he was just used but he hasn’t behaved earnestly throughout. I don’t trust Assange or wikileaks as far as I can throw a piano.

I have been lurking here for a few months, having found you when a few people at balloon-juice suggested the debate was more rational here-which it thankfully is!

26 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:17:56am

re: #25 MomSense

Welcome. Don’t let the rationality fool you—we’re really all about the boob-pun threads.

27 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:20:06am

And pizza with pineapple! And Canadian bacon, too! Nom-nom-nom!

28 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:22:28am

re: #20 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The Court held up on granting the police the ability to charge him, but they allowed the authorities to determine whether the contents of the computer contained information affecting British national security or would put British citizens in immediate danger.

Turns out the answer to those questions appears to be … yes.

29 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:23:46am

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Boobies!!!!!!!! Totally SFW

30 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:25:41am

How long before former Rio street kid Miranda wakes up and decides he isn’t going to prison for the crazy Americans? Or will he decide to go down with the SS Greenlandia?

31 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:25:45am

Tech note—Spy shows justa—human and I updinged freetoken’s comment. It incremented on the thread, but still show ‘1’ in Spy.

32 MomSense  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:28:24am

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Thank you!

re: #29 lawhawk

Blue footed boobies are the bestest boobies!

33 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:29:50am

re: #32 MomSense

Thank you!

Blue footed boobies are the bestest boobies!

No, no they’re not.

34 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:30:22am

Wingnuts still Derping this idiotic Derp.
They count as “receiving welfare” ALL PUBLIC EMPLOYEES like police, firefighters, EMS, postal, military, libraries, teachers.

35 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:30:34am

re: #28 lawhawk

Thanks for that explanation.

36 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:33:55am

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts still Derping this idiotic Derp.

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Classical BS that brought you the ‘47%’. There is no program called ‘Welfare’, so yon dolts can define it as suits them.

Bonus Derp: W.Va. is not shaded. Can’t imagine what definition would generate that result.

37 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:37:49am

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Classical BS that brought you the ‘47%’. There is no program called ‘Welfare’, so yon dolts can define it as suits them.

Bonus Derp: W.Va. is not shaded. Can’t imagine what definition would generate that result.

Last week’s Derp was HURR HURR WELFARE PAYS MOAR THEN A JRRB!!11!! some idiotic Cato “study” which just assumed that EVERY PERSON RECEIVING ASSISTANCE was collecting the maximum from EVERY FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT EXISTS which is of course impossible.

Meanwhile, MOAR SUBSIDIES to corporations for private jets, luxury condos, obscene CEO pay, is the “WAY TO PROSPERITY”

Fuck these Kochtards sideways.

38 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:42:15am
39 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:43:36am

Glenn Greenwald’s Partner Was Carrying A Stunning Amount Of Sensitive Documents When He Was Detained

Glenn Greenwald’s partner, David Miranda, was carrying a stunning amount of government documents when he was detained by British authorities for nine hours earlier this month.

And a UK national security adviser said Friday that some of those 58,000 documents were extremely sensitive to national security.

The Daily Telegraph’s David Barrett tweeted out some of the details from the statement made Friday by Oliver Robbins, deputy national security adviser for intelligence, before UK judges.

Robbins was making the case that national security teams and police needed to investigate the material, which they seized earlier this month.

Some of the key points:

Robbins said that the case material included 58,000 documents that were “highly classified UK intelligence documents.”

Among the documents was a piece of paper with the decryption password.
Police decrypted one file on Miranda’s hard drive with the password.

The material contains “personal information that would allow British intelligence staff to be identified,” including overseas.

Because of the size and scope of the material gathered, the British government believes that Edward Snowden “indiscriminately appropriated material in bulk.”

In what could be a particularly troubling development, the UK government has “had” to assume that Snowden’s data is in the hands of foreign governments to which he has traveled: Hong Kong and Russia. (Greenwald told Business Insider last week that it was “highly unlikely” that had happened, however.)

Robbins argued that it is “impossible” for Greenwald or any other journalist to determine which information could damage national security.

40 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:43:48am

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts still Derping this idiotic Derp.
They count as “receiving welfare” ALL PUBLIC EMPLOYEES like police, firefighters, EMS, postal, military, libraries, teachers.

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How about military contractors?

41 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:44:34am

Self-awareness, he has none.

42 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:45:02am

re: #40 Sol Berdinowitz

How about military contractors?

Whatever it takes to validate the meme: “There are more takers than makers.”

43 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:47:07am

re: #41 Vicious Babushka

Self-awareness, he has none.

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There’s a word for seeking employment to steal information and transmit it to hostile elements. It’s not ‘whistleblower’.

44 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:48:13am

re: #43 Decatur Deb

Two words. Traitor and defector. Well, those are the polite words that came to mics.

45 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:48:43am
46 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:49:09am

re: #44 Political Atheist

Two words. Traitor and defector. Well, those are the polite words that came to mics.

Was going with ‘spy’, but your answer can move you to the next round.

47 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:49:30am

I really think the jesusfuckingchrist hashtag should trend on Twitter with regard to Greenwald.

48 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:49:42am

re: #44 Political Atheist

Two words. Traitor and defector. Well, those are the polite words that came to mics.

“Thief” works too.

49 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:51:10am

re: #47 darthstar

#JHFC (because those 140 characters are precious…

50 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:54:54am

I see that Glenn is back twerking the English language.

51 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:54:54am

WH to release intelligence on chemical attacks in Syria, today, per MSNBC.

52 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:55:33am

re: #49 lawhawk

Thanks.

53 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:56:35am

And,

Turkish foreign minister says intelligence leaves no doubt that Syrian President Assad’s forces are responsible for chemical weapons attack - @Reuters

3 mins ago by editor

54 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:59:21am

We will get to see Obama speak from the Oval Office for the very first time?

55 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:01:40am
56 erik_t  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:03:39am

re: #1 Sol Berdinowitz

and it was probably “abcd1234”

…

That’s the stupidest combination I’ve ever heard in my life! That’s the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!

57 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:06:06am

re: #7 Vicious Babushka

The Alabama Babuskas haz arrived?

58 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:06:41am

Dogwalk. BBL

59 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:09:25am

re: #54 b.d.

Not just yet. I’m really thinking that the President is going to wait and see if he can get UN support.

It’s not surprising France is again taking the lead here given their historical ties to the region (they were the colonial power in the Levant - Lebanon and Syria). With Turkey now lining up against Assad, the rest of the regional powers are going to show their hands too.

Assad will have to be held accountable (and should be held accountable) for his use of chemical weapons, and that the British parliament ruled against action shows that the CWC and other international law against the use of chemical weapons and targeting civilians, it shows that countries simply couldn’t care less about massive violations of international law or human rights unless their own interests are involved. The UN is powerless to act so long as the Russians or Chinese backstop Assad. The other Middle Eastern countries aren’t in a position to act (Egypt and Iraq are racked by its own issues, Jordan lacks sufficient military force, Saudis and Iran are more than content to let proxies do their bidding, and Turkey isn’t ready to act, though they’ve been directly affected by all the refugees streaming their way).

Failing to act now will give Assad the license to engage in still more use of the chemical weapons having seen that he can act with impunity. How many more people will have to die at the hands of this despot using chemical weapons?

Action shouldn’t come from the US (or US and France alone). The UN should suit up and indicate an intention to deal with those regimes that have no problem gassing their own citizens into submission.

60 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:14:00am

re: #59 lawhawk

Russia and China will veto any proposed action in the Security Council, so I doubt we will see the UN do anything in the near future. NATO is a different matter.

61 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:15:20am
62 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:15:27am

I’ve never been able to figure out what kind of mind engages this kind of child abuse.

Newton teacher faces child pornography charges

boston.com

63 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:16:02am

re: #60 wheat-dogghazi

NATO may act, but with the UK sitting on the sidelines, the burden will fall heavily on the US and to a lesser extent France. I just don’t think NATO is going to go for it when the UK has already voted to stay on the sidelines.

64 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:16:42am

re: #61 darthstar

Talk about a fight where you root for injuries. Geez.

65 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:17:03am

re: #59 lawhawk

I have to wonder if Britain’s attitude is a case of the Bush/Blair “Boy Who Cried Wolf” syndrome coming home to roost. The Iraq war debacle is the gift that keeps on giving in this respect…

66 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:17:11am
67 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:19:08am

Okay, it’s Friday…time to take the boys down to the beach before work.

68 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:20:23am

So, China took what it wanted and passed Snowden off to Russia?

That appears to be what happened.

What a naive fuck. Or a spy in plain sight.

69 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:21:12am

re: #65 Interesting Times

It certainly is making any kind of military action more difficult to contemplate. That’s perhaps a good thing. Skepticism is a good thing before considering military action, but inaction in the face of uncontroverted evidence of current chemical weapons usage is a massive moral failure on the part of the British parliament.

70 kirkspencer  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:27:39am

re: #62 Justanotherhuman

I’ve never been able to figure out what kind of mind engages this kind of child abuse.

Newton teacher faces child pornography charges

boston.com

2 charges of possession, one of distribution. He’s a boy’s gym teacher.

OK, now I find myself wondering if this is one of the overzealous cases.

See, we have a traditional problem when something goes into zero tolerance zones. Things get distorted. Things that shouldn’t matter, do. Minor becomes major.

Child porn is one of those things. There have been arrests of parents who sent pictures of their toddler in the bathtub to godparents and close friends. Some of those cases were tossed, others went for pleas. And it’s an easy hotbutton to muddy as almost everyone cares about children.

Heck, it’s a cliche: “For the children, Think of the children.”

So I have taken to wanting more before I join the condemnation. This teacher is in a perfect position for scum. He’s also in a perfect position for it to innocuous. Is his guilt having a couple of championship pictures taken in the locker room Or is it a couple of covert shower shots? He’s alleged to be part of a ring but he’s got ONE shared picture. Again, the shot matters, but at the same time what’s the ring? Is it a fan site, a coaches site, a true porn ring?

It actually kind of annoys me that I have to have these questions, but I’m seeing child porn becoming what drugs have been for years — a blanket excuse that covers a multitude of enforcement excess and misbehavior.

71 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:29:12am

re: #70 kirkspencer

It actually kind of annoys me that I have to have these questions, but I’m seeing child porn becoming what drugs have been for years — a blanket excuse that covers a multitude of enforcement excess and misbehavior.

It’s a matter of nuances and degrees of culpability…and the American media circus does not do nuance.

72 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:33:00am

Another busted Fake Quote Tweeter defends using Teh Fake Quote “because everybody else is!”

73 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:33:48am

Protesters in Washington opposed to US war rhetoric
Liveleak Video

I like the chick who says we should think about who we’re siding with. totally oblivious of the irony that she’s speaking to Iranian sate TV. Nice to see the ANSWER folks again. Looks like they got about 2 dozen folks to show up. Not bad.

74 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:34:29am

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

Books by Glenn Beck and David Barton don’t count.

75 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:35:42am

re: #74 Bulworth

Books by Glenn Beck and David Barton don’t count.

How do Fake Quotes get into the Congressional Record? Because of idiots like Louie Gohmert who use them in speeches?

76 kirkspencer  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:38:27am

re: #69 lawhawk

It certainly is making any kind of military action more difficult to contemplate. That’s perhaps a good thing. Skepticism is a good thing before considering military action, but inaction in the face of uncontroverted evidence of current chemical weapons usage is a massive moral failure on the part of the British parliament.

The problem is that it’s not incontrovertible evidence.

Were chemicals used? Probably. The evidence is a massive victim count showing appropriate symptoms.

Were they from weapons? Well, maybe. They could also have come from emplaced barrels popped open with small squib charges at the bottom in fougasse fashion.

Were they used by government or rebel forces? Since we don’t know delivery, we don’t know. Even if they were by artillery or rocket there’s still some question as rebel forces have held areas where chemical munitions were kept AND have access to artillery and rocket delivery systems. They don’t have aircraft for delivery, and I’ll note the rebel leaders are careful to note it was aircraft that made the delivery. Note again, the leaders. The majority of witnesses can only report explosions.

fwiw, an immaterial question is whether Assad ordered them or if they were launched at the command of a lower authority. Either way that’s the ‘guilty’ side.

At this point I’m fully in agreement with sending military forces into Syria, in the midst of a civil war. I’ve stated the reason why: a leadership willing to use weapons of mass destruction on its own people, own citizenry, is one that cannot be trusted and is a hazard to everybody around. We are at direct and indirect risk from a nation led by such, and that leadership needs removed.

But which leadership? I think it more likely it’s the government side, but I’m not willing to declare war given we’ve time and ability to be more certain.

77 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:38:53am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

How do Fake Quotes get into the Congressional Record? Because of idiots like Louie Gohmert who use them in speeches?

Congressional Record isn’t really a record. More like ‘Congressional Wish-I’d-Said-That.’ Things can be read-in and statements are edited out after the fact.

78 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:39:15am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

GOHMERT!!

And of course there’s Marsha Blackburn, Steve King, that other wacko Texas congressman, Michelle Bachmann, not to mention also rans Joe Deadbeat Walsh, Allen West, etc. The CR can easily rack up the Derp.

79 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:40:33am
80 erik_t  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:43:31am

Boy, Greenbeck, sure sucks to lose control of your narrative.

81 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:45:57am
82 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:47:06am

re: #81 Charles Johnson

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Welcome to Parsing Friday everyone, with your host Glenn Greenwald.

83 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:47:41am
84 Stoatly  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:49:44am

re: #65 Interesting Times

I have to wonder if Britain’s attitude is a case of the Bush/Blair “Boy Who Cried Wolf” syndrome coming home to roost. The Iraq war debacle is the gift that keeps on giving in this respect…

Undoubtedly
A lot of British troops lost life or limb in Iraq and Afghanistan and for what gain to Britain or the Iraqi/Afghan people?
Though I think the mess that has followed the “Arab Spring” with Islamists taking centre stage in Egypt and Libya etc and the deeply unpleasant nature of some of the groups opposed to Assad play a part

I doubt many of the MPs who voted against action did so with an easy heart - they knew they were sending a message about the use of CW.
But that’s the thing about trying to choose the lesser of two evils, you’re left having chosen an evil either way

85 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:50:06am

re: #80 erik_t

Boy, Greenbeck, sure sucks to lose control of your narrative.

I’m fully expecting The GG to ratchet up the vitriol and crank up the smoke screen bigtime today. Should be good fun to watch.

86 simoom  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:50:56am

The same material, summarized over at the BBC:

bbc.co.uk

Today we have learnt a little more about the electronic files seized from David Miranda - but a lot more about why the UK authorities are so concerned about it.

There are 58,000 documents, many marked “Secret” and “Top Secret”.

Some of them, we are told, could identify intelligence staff overseas and could already be in the hands of foreign states. By that they probably mean Russia and China.

It is pretty clear that British spies don’t think much about journalists’ handling of sensitive material. It is claimed that Mr Miranda was carrying a piece of paper with a password for decrypting one of the encrypted files.

The Guardian is accused of advertising itself as a “target for hostile groups” - but the newspaper says officials are being alarmist.

87 erik_t  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:52:39am

re: #85 makeitstop

I’m fully expecting The GG to ratchet up the vitriol and crank up the smoke screen bigtime today. Should be good fun to watch.

He doesn’t fail quietly. I’m afraid I’ll run out of popcorn.

88 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:56:45am
89 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:59:22am

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

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Best possible outcome: No-fly zone.

90 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:00:04am
91 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:03:18am

Asshole.

92 erik_t  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:04:17am
Another statement by a senior officer from Scotland Yard’s Counter Terrorism Command, SO15, disclosed police have so far only reconstructed 75 of the 58,000 classified documents which Mr Miranda was carrying.

It’ll be fun watching that number go up. Teh GG and Pals really stepped in something sticky here.

93 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:04:43am

And it turns out that Miranda was what we said he was all along.

A data mule.

94 erik_t  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:05:24am

re: #93 ProTARDISLiberal

And it turns out that Miranda was what we said he was all along.

A data mule.

No, mules hide what they carry.

95 Dr. Matt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:06:19am
96 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:07:17am

re: #91 Gus

Asshole.

“Until you can be an asshole for all the Intertubes to see, you are not truly free.”

(Where the hell is our Moonbat font?)

97 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:07:56am

re: #95 Dr. Matt

[Embedded content]

From the story:

holding the password to an encrypted file written on a piece of paper

Parsing again Glenn. You are the one that threw the word documents in there, no one else.

98 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:08:21am

re: #96 Decatur Deb

“Until you can be an asshole for all the Intertubes to see, you are not ruly free.”

(Where the hell is our Moonbat font?)

Here it is.

99 Dr. Matt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:10:18am

re: #97 b.d.

From the story:

Parsing again Glenn. You are the one that threw the word documents in there, no one else.

Whooooops.

100 Dr. Matt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:11:22am

re: #91 Gus

Cornel West, like so many other moonbats, are still pissy because President Obama never bought them a pony.

101 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:14:51am

re: #41 Vicious Babushka

Self-awareness, he has none.

There’s a word for making things up in your own head and then presenting it as fact - it’s not “journalism” t.co
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) August 30, 2013

It’s called “Greenwalding”.

102 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:19:17am


Heh. Egyptian forces fire on Gazan fisherman in offshore waters. But don’t expect a Gaza flotilla to come to Gaza’s rescue. Israel isn’t involved.

103 ObserverArt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:21:24am

re: #71 Sol Berdinowitz

It’s a matter of nuances and degrees of culpability…and the American media circus does not do nuance.

Too true. But sadly the America populace does not understand nuance so the media being a business doesn’t even try.

Can I mention education? There is the problem. I really have to wonder sometimes, what it is they actually teach. Anymore it seems education is totally geared to job/tech and zero goes to any creative thinking.

Language and Human Arts. Not so much. So we have a fully undeveloped culture. And that is dangerous because they are so easily fooled.

Oops! Edited to eliminate too many ‘anymore’ usages. Gotta rememba’ my own education.

104 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:22:56am
105 ObserverArt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:24:06am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

How do Fake Quotes get into the Congressional Record? Because of idiots like Louie Gohmert who use them in speeches?

Yep, fake congressmen. We have a lot of them anymore.

106 ObserverArt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:27:11am

re: #85 makeitstop

I’m fully expecting The GG to ratchet up the vitriol and crank up the smoke screen bigtime today. Should be good fun to watch.

He better hurry. College footballs kicked off last night. A whole hell of a lot of people are suddenly going to forget…everything for a few months. Well, they probably won’t forget the chips.

Welcome to America.

107 Dr. Matt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:28:26am

I’m being serious, with these new revelations about GG et al, how come the US is not seeking charges against GG? He’s not acting like a journalist….not even close.

108 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:30:46am

re: #107 Dr. Matt

I’m being serious, with these new revelations about GG et al, how come the US is not seeking charges against GG? He’s not acting like a journalist….not even close.

Could be in the works as we type.

109 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:32:03am

re: #107 Dr. Matt

It would be a horrific political nightmare with no hope of conviction. No way.

110 ObserverArt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:32:11am

re: #91 Gus

Asshole.

I don’t know if asshole quite describes him.

If a guy like West got even a sniff of the work it must be to hold the office of President of the USA, in short order he would be found quivering in the corner sucking his thumb and asking for his mommy.

Problem is, no real corners in the office. Now what Cornel?

111 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:32:50am

re: #107 Dr. Matt

I’m being serious, with these new revelations about GG et al, how come the US is not seeking charges against GG? He’s not acting like a journalist….not even close.

Probably for political reasons. He does have a popular following and works for a major newpaper. They might prosecute him but they have to be careful about public relations fall out and the possibility of creating a free speech martyr.

112 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:34:31am

Let me see if I understand all this:

The partner of the “journalist’” working with Snowden had a password that wasn’t his. This password enabled the user to access documents protected by the US government by a security clearance that none of the three (Snowden, Greenwald and Miranda) would otherwise have access to.

Is this correct?

113 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:34:49am

Morning Lizardim from the hot and humid wild north country. So, it all comes out at last: Greenwald is aiding and abetting a spy. Can we get Russia to give Snowden back now? Probably not, but it makes for a nice pipe dream wherein I imagine Greenwald’s impotent outrage from the safety of his Brazilian hideaway. Glenn, you don’t have even a semblance of bravery when you’re hiding behind your keyboard sending your significant other to do your dirty work (and getting busted, no less). I can’t wait to see what the next iteration of this story will be.

114 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:35:59am

re: #100 Dr. Matt

Cornel West, like so many other moonbats, are still pissy because President Obama never bought them a pony.

I’ve never understood Cornel West.

115 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:36:50am

re: #112 FemNaziBitch

Let me see if I understand all this:

The partner of the “journalist’” working with Snowden had a password that wasn’t his. This password enabled the user to access documents protected by the US government by a security clearance that none of the three (Snowden, Greenwald and Miranda) would otherwise have access to.

Is this correct?

That would seem to be the long and short of it.

116 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:37:23am

re: #112 FemNaziBitch

Almost. The documents in question belong to the UK government.

But otherwise, right on the money.

117 erik_t  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:37:53am

re: #112 FemNaziBitch

Let me see if I understand all this:

The partner of the “journalist’” working with Snowden had a password that wasn’t his. This password enabled the user to access documents protected by the US government by a security clearance that none of the three (Snowden, Greenwald and Miranda) would otherwise have access to.

Is this correct?

Presumably the files had been collected from a secure information system and were encrypted by Teh GG And Pals on the thumb drive. Secret information is protected more by physical separation of systems and prevention of user access to information systems, rather than actual encryption of files. Snowden likely violated some password protocol (if not laws) in gathering those files, but that was just to get onto the network in the first place.

It’s more like locking the door to your office, rather than having the door open but the files on the computer password-protected.

118 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:40:38am

re: #112 FemNaziBitch

Let me see if I understand all this:

The partner of the “journalist’” working with Snowden had a password that wasn’t his. This password enabled the user to access documents protected by the US government by a security clearance that none of the three (Snowden, Greenwald and Miranda) would otherwise have access to.

Is this correct?

Don’t know. The password :

holding the password to an encrypted file written on a piece of paper

is to be reported for an encrypted file. The story does not say document, Glenn is whinging about people saying it was for a password for a document. No where does it claim to be a password for documents.

It is probably a password to access the other passwords that protect the encrypted documents, Glenn’s notes or something else tangetical.

119 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:41:01am
120 Dr. Matt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:41:31am

In other news, George Zimmerman’s wife reveals she’d left him the night before he killed Trayvon Martin. rawstory.com

Wish this lying, criminal asshole brought this up a bit earlier.

121 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:45:27am

American’s can’t do Math!! ROTFLAMO
upworthy.com

122 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:45:59am

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

I’ve never understood Cornel West.

Some people are so far off the rails that they are hard to understand. Amy Goodman, Cornel West, Wesley Clarke. Greenwald, and Andrew Sullivan too. Ron Paul is super nutty but there’s an established philosophy to pin on him which makes it a bit easier. A lot of these fringe types seem to operate more by arbitrary instincts rather than a semi-coherent philosophy.

123 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:48:02am

“Killer Butterflies” swarming in Scotland.

124 Dr. Matt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:48:41am

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Some people are so far off the rails that they are hard to understand. Amy Goodman, Cornel West, Wesley Clarke. Greenwald, and Andrew Sullivan too.

Add the late, not-great, Lynn Samuels. Because Hilary didn’t get the nod, she spent every waking moment calling Obama a “Nazi’, was a birfer, and took every right-wing stance because she didn’t get her way.

125 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:49:08am
126 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:49:51am

re: #123 Vicious Babushka

“Killer Butterflies” swarming in Scotland.

[Embedded content]

But this is not an invasive species, it is a native species returning to habitats it abandoned when the climate grew cooler.

127 ObserverArt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:53:18am

If anyone wants to scare all the people that were worried about our government spying on us and saw the Great Greenwald and Snowflake Snowden as heroes, just tell them there is a good chance they can now also worry about being personally spied on by Russia, China, Great Britain and before this is over…probably by the entire world.

And, the security of much of the world may have just been forced to go through many changes hoping not too much damage will be done in the time it takes for this little ripple to turn to a tsunami and calm back down into a ripple again.

That should help them sleep better at night.

Should be an interesting day politically. Gotta run off and get something done before Putin and his buddies can log into my computer since GlennCo made everything all better.

128 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:53:28am

re: #121 FemNaziBitch

American’s can’t do Math!! ROTFLAMO
upworthy.com

You have to watch this…

129 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:53:34am

re: #125 Gus

[Embedded content]

How is that “News”? We have only been fighting there for a freaking decade. Of course we have assets in place.

Headline should be “Military assets to strike in M.E. still undiminished”

War drums are ratings bait.

130 Mattand  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:54:05am

re: #123 Vicious Babushka

“Killer Butterflies” swarming in Scotland.

[Embedded content]

Scottish authorities have tracked down the source of the infestation:

Youtube Video

131 Mattand  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:55:04am

re: #127 ObserverArt

If anyone wants to scare all the people that were worried about our government spying on us and saw the Great Greenwald and Snowflake Snowden as heroes, just tell them there is a good chance they can now also worry about being personally spied on by Russia, China, Great Britain and before this is over…probably by the entire world.

And, the security of much of the world may have just been forced to go through many changes hoping not too much damage will be done in the time it takes for this little ripple to turn to a tsunami and calm back down into a ripple again.

That should help them sleep better at night.

Should be an interesting day politically. Gotta run off and get something done before Putin and his buddies can log into my computer since GlennCo made everything all better.

If they’re dudebros, they’ll just blame Obama.

132 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:55:54am

re: #127 ObserverArt

If anyone wants to scare all the people that were worried about our government spying on us and saw the Great Greenwald and Snowflake Snowden as heroes, just tell them there is a good chance they can now also worry about being personally spied on by Russia, China, Great Britain and before this is over…probably by the entire world.

Oh, that’s no trouble. It’s only the Evil, Totalitarian American State that would do Evil, Totalitarian things with our data. /

133 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:00:24am

Boy, this all looks very familiar. It’s almost as if you can reliably predict all the talking points and outrageous outrages for the next decade or so.
U.S. military officers have deep doubts about impact, wisdom of a U.S. strike on Syria

134 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:00:43am

Isaac Asimov’s 1964 Predictions About 2014 Are Frighteningly Accurate

135 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:00:57am

Penguins are practically chickens.

136 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:01:45am

re: #135 Gus

Penguins are practically chickens.

They taste like chicken, anyway.

///

137 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:02:04am

Perhaps, my new motto.

138 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:08:58am

If A = B
and B = C
then A + B = C

139 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:09:48am

re: #138 b_sharp

If A = B
and B = C
then A + B = C

I’m not so sure about that.

140 piratedan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:13:02am

re: #139 FemNaziBitch

only applicable when the moon is full and on months with 30 days //

141 Mattand  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:13:34am

re: #138 b_sharp

If A = B
and B = C
then A + B = C

I might be missing something, but the only scenario where that works out is if A=zero.

142 Dr. Matt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:14:17am

A^2 + B^2 = C^2

Word

143 Lidane  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:15:34am

re: #138 b_sharp

If A = B
and B = C
then A + B = C

The only math I want to deal with on the Friday of Labor Day weekend involves cooking times and drink measurements.

144 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:15:49am
“I don’t want to live in a world where everything that I say, everything I do, everyone I talk to, every expression of creativity or love or friendship is recorded” - Eddie
145 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:17:07am

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Boy, this all looks very familiar. It’s almost as if you can reliably predict all the talking points and outrageous outrages for the next decade or so.
U.S. military officers have deep doubts about impact, wisdom of a U.S. strike on Syria

Someone failed to ask these doubters what changes if any happen in their calculus in the instance of continued use of chemical weapons. Or just say quarterly use. How much is too much or too little to be worth stepping in.

More ratings/click bait IMO.

146 simoom  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:19:21am

Who Greenwald believes has which parts of the classified document trove:

buzzfeed.com

Greenwald said:

Only Laura and I have access to the full set of documents which Snowden provided to journalists.

The stories published in Germany and Brazil were authored by each of us (Laura in Germany with Der Spiegel, me in Brazil with various outlets). We are continuing to partner with media organizations in countries around the world to ensure that all materials in the public interest are reported and disclosed.

As the Guardian reported, the New York Times and ProPublica have only the portion of the archive relating to GCHQ. That is a small subset of the documents.

[The Washington Post’s] Bart Gellman also has only a small subset of the documents, though the number is substantial and relate to NSA. To my knowledge, he has not received any new documents from Snowden since May nor communicated with him since the first part of June, nor has he ever met Snowden.

147 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:19:31am

fuzzy wuzzies

148 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:20:17am

re: #143 Lidane

The only math I want to deal with on the Friday of Labor Day weekend involves cooking times and drink measurements.

It’s not math, it’s logic. And I

think

it should be

A or B = C

Friday or not, my brain is just not up to it.

149 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:20:21am

re: #138 b_sharp

If A = B
and B = C
then A + B = C

If A=B
And B=C
Then A=C

Logic!

150 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:21:09am

Do not argue with a Math Major.

151 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:21:34am

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

Do not argue with a Math Major.

Or a lay philosopher.

152 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:22:09am

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

Or a lay philosopher.

What about a stand-up philosopher?
Youtube Video

153 simoom  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:22:36am

re: #146 simoom

He seems to be saying he only gave NYT & Pro Publica British state secrets. I’m not surprised he’s keeping the power to antagonize the US to himself.

154 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:23:45am
155 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:23:49am

re: #152 Vicious Babushka

What about a stand-up philosopher?

Put them up against a (brick) wall.

156 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:24:19am
157 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:25:22am
The material contains personal information that would allow British intelligence staff to be identified, inc some overseas, it adds

So this just turned into the farce version of Skyfall then?

158 Dr. Matt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:25:30am

Taking a break from the algebra, I decided to post one of my favorite quotes:

“If you were in the wild, I would attack you, even if you weren’t in my food chain. I would go out of my way to attack you. If I were a lion and you were a tuna, I would swim out in the middle of the ocean and freaking eat you and then I’d bang your tuna girlfriend”
~Terry Hoitz

159 allegro  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:26:16am

re: #144 b.d.

“I don’t want to live in a world where everything that I say, everything I do, everyone I talk to, every expression of creativity or love or friendship is recorded” - Eddie

Oh, dear. This is a problem, isn’t it. Bummer that he can no longer express himself by phone or email. Those telecoms record it all. And oh yeah, there’s that mushy card he bought for his girlfriend at the CVS with one of their membership cards that records his every purchase and probably sells the data to… anyone. Give his mom a spontaneous hug in the WalMart parking lot? Probably recorded on security cameras. Midnight rendezvous at the park? Oops again because Eddie wanted the discount for his safe driving and put that thingie in his car that recorded his every move by his insurance company.

Do these people ever think things through?

160 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:26:38am
161 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:26:52am
162 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:27:44am

re: #161 Gus

The Frum-GG debate has been one of the highlights of the morning.

163 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:27:44am
164 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:27:47am

re: #159 allegro

Oh, dear. This is a problem, isn’t it. Bummer that he can no longer express himself by phone or email. Those telecoms record it all. And oh yeah, there’s that mushy card he bought for his girlfriend at the CVS with one of their membership cards that records his every purchase and probably sells the data to… anyone. Give his mom a spontaneous hug in the WalMart parking lot? Probably recorded on security cameras. Midnight rendezvous at the park? Oops again because Eddie wanted the discount for his safe driving and put that thingie in his car that recorded his every move by his insurance company.

Do these people ever think things through?

Worst job in the NSA: Monitoring the taps in a Trappist monastery.

165 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:28:14am
166 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:28:22am

re: #162 darthstar

The Frum-GG debate has been one of the highlights of the morning.

167 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:28:55am

re: #165 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Argh. 8 seconds.

168 jonhendry  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:28:58am

re: #81 Charles Johnson

Note that the “one file” could be quite large. An encrypted Mac .dmg of gigabytes in size, or a large zip file, etc.

169 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:29:25am

re: #146 simoom

Buzzfeed is totally in the bag for Greenwald and Snowden.

170 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:30:48am
171 jonhendry  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:31:12am

re: #84 Stoatly

But that’s the thing about trying to choose the lesser of two evils, you’re left having chosen an evil either way

The thing is, having voted against a war, one can always vote for it later if circumstances allow.

Whereas having launched a war, you can’t ever undo that decision.

172 allegro  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:32:22am

re: #146 simoom

Per Greenwald:

Only Laura and I have access to the full set of documents which Snowden provided to journalists.

The stories published in Germany and Brazil were authored by each of us (Laura in Germany with Der Spiegel, me in Brazil with various outlets). We are continuing to partner with media organizations in countries around the world to ensure that all materials in the public interest are reported and disclosed.

Soooo GG and Laura have put themselves in charge of world security?

Gee, that’s comforting. //

173 Lidane  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:33:02am

re: #148 FemNaziBitch

It’s not math, it’s logic.

Then let me amend my point. Today I only care about the logic of proper cooking times and drink measurements. Haha.

174 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:33:23am

re: #169 Charles Johnson

Buzzfeed is totally in the bag for Greenwald and


So this is no longer valid?

Glenn Greenwald Rails Against BuzzFeed: ‘Reckless And Irresponsible,’ ‘Government-Subservient Stenography’

Link

175 piratedan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:33:35am

re: #172 allegro

funny, I tend to think that the Russian and Chinese security services just might have a copy too…. just sayin’ GG.

176 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:34:16am

re: #174 b.d.

So this is no longer valid?Link

He’s moody.

177 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:35:23am
178 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:35:41am
179 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:35:43am

Continuing his great legacy of lies and pulling numbers out of his ass I present to you the distinguished asshole from Wisconsin:

Walker on ACA: Insurance rates jumping 80%, employers not hiring

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, appearing on business network CNBC, said many Wisconsin businesses are not hiring full-time workers to avoid Affordable Care Act mandates and that health insurance rates will increase 80 percent or more due to the law.
Walker made the remarks while he was live in the CNBC studios in Englewood Cliffs, N.J., earlier this week with conservative economist Larry Kudlow, host of “The Kudlow Report.” Walker appeared on the show along with three guests in studios elsewhere discussing the slow-moving economic recovery and the impact of Obamacare.

I’m sure he’d also blame the teachers union but he can only hold so many things in his head at once.

180 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:35:43am

re: #161 Gus

OH SNAP!

181 nastybrutishntall  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:36:19am

See, that password should have been engraved on a gold coin, not a worthless piece of paper. Then it would have been safe. #endthefed #wingularity

182 allegro  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:36:48am

These memories keep popping into my head… like memories of GG, the Firebaggers, et al getting terribly pissy about the outing of Valerie Plame and what a loss that was to our national security.

I just can’t put my finger on why those thoughts keep coming up.

183 jonhendry  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:36:58am

re: #89 Decatur Deb

re: #89 Decatur Deb

Best possible outcome: No-fly zone.

I’m not sure how much that’d do. 155mm artillery is no picnic either, has a pretty long range (18 miles or so), and I’m sure Syria has CW shells that don’t have to be air-dropped.

No-fly zones worked okay in Iraq because the protected areas were isolated in the north and south and far from the population centers. Rebel and government areas in Syria seem to be on somewhat more fluid fronts and are intermingled.

184 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:37:18am

My daughter just got out of jail! She just turned in her keys and computer after 5 yrs of teaching English and Bio at the regional kiddie lockup. She has been able to turn her Mad Jane Austen Skilz into a e-business that lets her get ready for the day her autistic daughter has to drop out of public ed.

185 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:37:29am
186 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:37:53am

re: #167 Gus

Argh. 8 seconds.

Which also happens to be the reason cowboys don’t make good lovers. (they think 8 seconds is a long ride)

187 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:38:04am

re: #181 nastybrutishntall

See, that password should have been engraved on a gold coin, not a worthless piece of paper. Then it would have been safe. #endthefed #wingularity

Or writen on the back of The Constitution or something. I can totally see Glenn Greenwald subsituted for Nick Cage in National Treasure.

188 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:41:25am

re: #183 jonhendry

It satisfies the apparent need to ‘do something’, with the least risk of killing a bunch our guys and Syrian kids.

189 Lidane  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:43:49am

Someone needs to introduce the Austin school district to Know Your Meme:

190 Dalai Rasta  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:44:21am

re: #135 Gus

Penguins are practically chickens.

“Hoboken! Oooooh I’m dying again!”

New here. Hi.

191 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:45:49am

re: #172 allegro

Per Greenwald:

Soooo GG and Laura have put themselves in charge of world security?

Gee, that’s comforting. //

So, if that’s the truth (which is speculative), then why was Miranda sent to collect “duplicates”?

192 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:45:58am

Sorry for the delay, I got a phone call from a customer seconds after I posted my proof of god.

If A = B
and B = C
then A + B = C

Some self-published genius wrote a book containing that sillyjism and I was just checking to see if anyone here could proof it.

193 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:46:28am

re: #190 Dalai Rasta

Welcome. Interesting nic BTW.

194 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:46:57am
195 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:47:16am

re: #145 Political Atheist

Someone failed to ask these doubters what changes if any happen in their calculus in the instance of continued use of chemical weapons. Or just say quarterly use. How much is too much or too little to be worth stepping in.

More ratings/click bait IMO.

Agreed. There’s always some who says “This won’t work” and if it doesn’t work we’ll have a decade of Monday morning quarter backs saying ‘I told you so, why did you listen?”

196 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:47:34am

re: #118 b.d.

Don’t know. The password :

is to be reported for an encrypted file. The story does not say document, Glenn is whinging about people saying it was for a password for a document. No where does it claim to be a password for documents.

It is probably a password to access the other passwords that protect the encrypted documents, Glenn’s notes or something else tangetical.

The first thing that came to mind (purely speculation, mind you) was that it was the password to a KeePass (or similar) database.

Incidentally, KeePass is great and everyone should use it.

197 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:47:56am
198 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:48:28am

re: #190 Dalai Rasta

Welcome, hatchling. There is pie. You may slice and distribute to everyone, and take the last piece for yourself.

199 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:48:32am

re: #173 Lidane

Then let me amend my point. Today I only care about the logic of proper cooking times and drink measurements. Haha.

I’ve had two cuppas so far, using my wonderful Aeropress. It makes logic unnecessary.

200 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:48:52am

re: #190 Dalai Rasta

“Hoboken! Oooooh I’m dying again!”

New here. Hi.

‘Ello.

201 elizajane  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:48:52am

re: #184 Decatur Deb

My daughter just got out of jail! She just turned in her keys and computer after 5 yrs of teaching English and Bio at the regional kiddie lockup. She has been able to turn her Mad Jane Austen Skilz into a e-business that lets her get ready for the day her autistic daughter has to drop out of public ed.

As one with three kids still in public schools, I am sad every time a good teacher leaves for any reason. Goodness knows they are rare enough. I hope your daughter has a better time in her e-biz but I also hope that somebody decent replaces her in the classroom.

(Or was she actually teaching in a juvenile detention center? I was assuming you were being, er, metaphorical — but maybe that’s just my school district!)

202 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:50:01am

re: #199 FemNaziBitch

I’ve had two cuppas so far, using my wonderful Aeropress. It makes logic unnecessary.

I just bought an Aeropress. Still getting used to it. I keep thinking “Naw it can’t be this easy!”

203 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:50:21am

Welp.

A BBC team inside Syria filming for Panorama has witnessed the aftermath of a fresh horrific incident - an incendiary bomb dropped on to a school playground in the north of the country - which has left scores of children with napalm-like burns over their bodies.

Eyewitnesses describe a fighter jet dropping the device, a low explosion, followed by columns of fire and smoke.

204 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:52:25am

re: #190 Dalai Rasta

“Hoboken! Oooooh I’m dying again!”

New here. Hi.

Welcome aboard. Mind the trolls - barbecue is out back; gamey buttocks usually served every evening, unless I get busy (but there is always backup here).

205 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:53:23am

re: #202 Vicious Babushka

I just bought an Aeropress. Still getting used to it. I keep thinking “Naw it can’t be this easy!”

I know!

206 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:54:14am

Is it me, or are we getting a lot of hatchlings in the last 48 hours?

207 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:54:22am

re: #11 Rev_Arthur_Belling

re: #25 MomSense

re: #190 Dalai Rasta

Welcome, hatchlings.

208 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:54:39am

Such very nice hatchlings today … welcome all!

209 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:54:43am

re: #206 ProTARDISLiberal

Is it me, or are we getting a lot of hatchlings in the last 48 hours?

re: #207 wrenchwench

Welcome, hatchlings.

beebees!!!

210 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:55:03am

re: #198 Vicious Babushka

That’s that pie you teased me with the other day.

211 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:55:04am

re: #206 ProTARDISLiberal

Is it me, or are we getting a lot of hatchlings in the last 48 hours?

Charles must’ve forgotten to lock the door again. Probably sent the password on a paper with his significant other.///

212 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:55:34am

re: #206 ProTARDISLiberal

Is it me, or are we getting a lot of hatchlings in the last 48 hours?

It’s the heat, I think. Just the right temperature, too, for lovely hatchlings (well, except for the one overnight…)

213 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:55:34am

re: #198 Vicious Babushka

Welcome, hatchling. There is pie. You may slice and distribute to everyone, and take the last piece for yourself.

I only see one piece.

214 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:55:37am

re: #210 Amory Blaine

That’s that pie you teased me with the other day.

I already eated it.

215 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:56:01am
216 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:56:07am
217 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:56:52am

re: #209 FemNaziBitch

beebees!!!

Lookit the beebees!!!!

218 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:57:05am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don’t think I was here for that one.

Too busy abusing some radical nutcake in Syria.

219 piratedan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:57:09am

re: #211 thedopefishlives

a few of us have been subtly promoting LGF and linking to discussions here regarding the ongoing Snowden/NSA/GG chain of events, as such more BJ’ers are stopping by…. and I have a fair amount of respect for my fellow Balloon Juicers, don’t always agree but some good folks over there.

220 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:57:10am

re: #216 darthstar

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This is the shit that pisses-me-of most about some of the gun nutz. They can recite the law from the Fed and each 50 states, then pull this kind of stupid stunt.

221 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:57:47am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s the heat, I think. Just the right temperature, too, for lovely hatchlings (well, except for the one overnight…)

Wod I mis?

222 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:57:54am

re: #217 Vicious Babushka

Lookit the beebees!!!!

how do you make an emoticon for schrunched up lips and a pouty expression?

223 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:58:06am

On another note there are thousands of bikers here in Milwaukee for Harley’s 110th birthday celebration.

224 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:58:43am
225 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:58:57am

re: #223 Amory Blaine

On another note there are thousands of bikers here in Milwaukee for Harley’s 110th birthday celebration.

Didn’t they celebrate it at (aw, damn, I can’t remember the name for the big meet-up)

226 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:59:06am

re: #217 Vicious Babushka

Lookit the beebees!!!!

Identical or sororital (fraternal), do they know yet? Those aunties looked identical….

227 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:59:11am

re: #217 Vicious Babushka

Lookit the beebees!!!!

OMG, they’re joined at the blanket!!

228 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:59:42am

Kerry speaking now

229 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:59:46am

re: #221 b_sharp

Wod I mis?

littlegreenfootballs.com

230 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:00:02am

re: #226 wrenchwench

Identical or sororital (fraternal), do they know yet? Those aunties looked identical….

Not sure about the new beebees yet but the aunties are fraternal.

231 Lidane  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:01:47am
232 SchadenBoner  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:02:53am

re: #223 Amory Blaine

On another note there are thousands of bikers here in Milwaukee for Harley’s 110th birthday celebration.

You don’t have to remind me. Ugh. Every street in downtown MKE (and the several suburbs surrounding) has been turned into more of an echo-chamber than a Freep thread.

Hey assholes: I don’t care about “loud pipes saving lives” if the lives they save are Harley riders…

233 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:03:04am

re: #231 Lidane

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Is Geller criticizing someone’s plastic surgery? The irony is nearly fatal….

234 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:03:14am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

littlegreenfootballs.com

Just a run of the mill ‘Just Sayin’ non-thinker.

235 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:05:03am
236 A Mom Anon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:05:31am

re: #184 Decatur Deb

I love her, her writing is hysterical. I hope her new writing/publishing adventure brings her much success.

237 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:06:06am
238 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:07:31am
239 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:07:36am
240 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:07:55am

Kerry says Assad regime bombed neighborhoods where chemical weapons were used to try to cover up evidence of same.

241 Lidane  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:08:48am
242 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:09:09am

Kerry says sr Syrian official confirmed chemical weapons used.

243 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:09:51am

re: #241 Lidane

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Oh, STFU Matthew.

244 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:11:02am

re: #214 Vicious Babushka

I already eated it.

Yeah I can just imagine…

245 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:11:42am
246 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:11:51am

re: #241 Lidane

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I don’t think that’s Kerry’s goal in this presentation.

247 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:14:03am

Now I know what a President Kerry would have looked like, shame we didn’t have one.

248 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:14:18am

re: #202 Vicious Babushka

I just bought an Aeropress. Still getting used to it. I keep thinking “Naw it can’t be this easy!”

First time I saw that i thought it was a sex toy.

249 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:14:55am

I’m glad that Kerry is talking about crimes against humanity being perpetrated against the Syrian people by the Assad regime.

The question now becomes what can and should the US do to hold the regime responsible?

The UK isn’t going to do anything, and neither does it appear that NATO is going to jump in the fray. Russia continues with its blocking actions.

And Assad gets to run up the body count in the interim.

100,000 and counting.

2 million refugees. And counting.

250 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:15:23am
251 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:15:49am

“American people are tired of war. Believe me, I am too. But fatigue does not absolve us of responsibility.” - John Kerry

252 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:16:33am

DERP BARF PUKE VOMIT

253 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:16:35am
254 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:16:38am

Heh, today is the anniversary of something.

Bosnian War: NATO began its bombing campaign against the Army of Republika Srpska in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

One hell of a coincidence.

re: #250 Gus

Still ambivalent at best, because of the radical nutcakes.

255 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:17:11am

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

Derp. Circled.

256 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:17:18am

re: #250 Gus

[Embedded content]White House intelligence report : #Syrian regime maintains stockpile of chem agents, incmustard, sarin, and VX”. - BBC’s

Uh… VX is western (US) material, our analogue to sarin.

257 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:18:13am
258 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:18:20am
259 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:18:32am

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

DERP BARF PUKE VOMIT

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Drone strike against Area 51!!

Krunchify those aliens.

260 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:19:16am

re: #257 Vicious Babushka

Thing is, Russia and China aren’t allowing any sort of action against Syria at the UN.

Though, I am not sure I want to support the rebels either.

261 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:19:17am

re: #250 Gus

According to Global Security, they’ve got VX agents in addition to sarin and tabun. Production estimated at about 100 tons of chemical weapons a year. Significant stockpiles likely.

262 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:19:57am

re: #232 SchadenBoner

Yeah my tolerance has significantly lowered for Harley over the years. It’s hard for me to garner enthusiasm for a company when every time a new labor contract for the workers come up, they threaten to leave the state.

7-year pact does not guarantee state jobs

“I am too young to retire and too old to start over,” said Harley assembler Jill Huffman, summing up a pervasive feeling of uncertainty among many Harley employees who voted on the contract Monday at the Waukesha County Expo Center.

United Steelworkers of America Local 2-209 accepted the concessions-filled agreement, which takes effect in 2012, with about 620 members in favor and more than 500 against, according to union members.

The deal includes a seven-year wage freeze, with the possibility of pay raises, and higher health-care expenses. It also calls for the use of seasonal, or “casual,” employees who would not be entitled to medical or retirement benefits and would receive less pay for the same work done by regular, full-time employees. The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers Lodge 78 approved a similar contract.

So yeah. Whatever.

263 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:20:14am
264 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:20:17am

re: #182 allegro

These memories keep popping into my head… like memories of GG, the Firebaggers, et al getting terribly pissy about the outing of Valerie Plame and what a loss that was to our national security.

I just can’t put my finger on why those thoughts keep coming up.

I was pissed about Plame too, just as I am pissed about the GG/Snowjob shit. Just as I was pissed about the Manning shit. Just as I am pissed about the post 9/11 Patriot act shit. But once you get to the radical fringes of any ideology you start getting a lot of inconsistencies it seems.

265 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:22:16am

Genuine problem with bombing chemical weapons stocks—the property values for a few miles around go to hell.

266 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:22:33am

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

DERP BARF PUKE VOMIT

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I see GG is still putting on sock puppets.

267 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:23:29am

re: #265 Decatur Deb

Genuine problem with bombing chemical weapons stocks—the property values for a few miles around go to hell.

It’s nothing like burning fields of marijuana.

268 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:23:58am

re: #256 Decatur Deb

The naming conventions and technical information, as well as treatment modes.

VX was first produced and identified by the British while studying organophosphates as pesticides (similar to how other nerve agents were synthesized/identified/created).

269 kirkspencer  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:25:35am

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Uh… VX is western (US) material, our analogue to sarin.

No.
Sarin is (RS)-Propan-2-yl methylphosphonofluoridate
VX is O-ethyl S-[2-(diisopropylamino)ethyl] methylphosphonothioate.

They are both acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, but they’re not the same.

270 ObserverArt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:26:22am

re: #230 Vicious Babushka

Not sure about the new beebees yet but the aunties are fraternal.

Going on the image you posted of the little tykes, I’m gonna guess they are identical. ;)

271 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:26:23am

A year later.

Harley-Davidson makes $105.7M profit in 4th qtr of 2011

All that scary “uncertainty”. Fucking jerks.

272 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:27:23am

re: #247 b.d.

Now I know what a President Kerry would have looked like.

From the hints I’m picking up from you guys, it’s not as bad as I thought it would’ve been. I didn’t like him at the time, and was very vocal about it. I have been known to be wrong before.

273 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:27:28am

re: #138 b_sharp

If A = B
and B = C
then A + B = C

That is 100 percent accurate when applied to “THE TIME CUBE”

RBS
Who really wants to go sightseeing, but has one student who won’t leave.

274 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:28:01am

re: #268 lawhawk

The naming conventions and technical information, as well as treatment modes.

VX was first produced and identified by the British while studying organophosphates as pesticides (similar to how other nerve agents were synthesized/identified/created).

Most of the VX I’ve seen was in a place in Maryland. We had to leave blood samples at the health service before we entered so they could reference our anticholinesterase levels if our eyes got funny..

275 Dr. Matt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:28:09am

re: #271 Amory Blaine

A year later.

Harley-Davidson makes $105.7M profit in 4th qtr of 2011

All that scary “uncertainty”. Fucking jerks.

Apparently their conservative marketbase are not having any problem shelling out 18K+ for a new ride.

276 SchadenBoner  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:28:21am

re: #268 lawhawk

The naming conventions and technical information, as well as treatment modes.

Limited animal data indicate that nerve
agents are not likely to be carcinogenic.

Well, that’s a load off my mind…

277 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:28:27am


That’s the dumbest tweet I’ve seen from him. Does he think Kerry didn’t work with Obama on his speech?

278 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:28:54am

re: #275 Dr. Matt

But taxes!!!!

279 Lidane  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:29:26am

re: #277 wrenchwench

That’s the dumbest tweet I’ve seen from him. Does he think Kerry didn’t work with Obama on his speech?

The Secretary of State is totally independent of the POTUS!

///

280 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:29:41am

Meanwhile, my favourite Music reviewer has made a point about Twitter and Syria.

281 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:29:43am
282 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:29:58am

re: #269 kirkspencer

No.
Sarin is (RS)-Propan-2-yl methylphosphonofluoridate
VX is O-ethyl S-[2-(diisopropylamino)ethyl] methylphosphonothioate.

They are both acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, but they’re not the same.

You say tomato, I say potatoe.

283 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:30:05am

re: #269 kirkspencer

No.
Sarin is (RS)-Propan-2-yl methylphosphonofluoridate
VX is O-ethyl S-[2-(diisopropylamino)ethyl] methylphosphonothioate.

They are both acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, but they’re not the same.

They filled the same battlefield role, in the spectrum of irritant—blister agent—blood agent—nerve agent.

284 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:30:24am

re: #271 Amory Blaine

investing.money.msn.com

And they’ve done even better since the end of 2012. 2Q 2013? $1.21 EPS on revenues of $1.794b, which was up about $65m over 2Q2012.

285 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:31:11am

So WWIII it is then?

286 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:31:18am

Wingnuts are already huffing & puffing & derping ALL U LIBRULZ WANT A WARRRR WEAR RR ALL UR ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATORS NOW!!!!!11!!!!

287 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:31:23am

And another:

288 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:31:36am

re: #283 Decatur Deb

They filled the same battlefield role, in the spectrum of irritant—blister agent—blood agent—nerve agent.

Analogues, who’d a thunk?

289 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:31:44am

re: #277 wrenchwench

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That’s the dumbest tweet I’ve seen from him. Does he think Kerry didn’t work with Obama on his speech?

ZOMG Kerry boxes Obama in!! I hope he doesn’t find out Kerry made a speech on Syria!!1!

290 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:32:26am
291 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:32:40am

Domino’s: Just because it has our name plastered all over it doesn’t mean its us

A Domino’s spokesman issued a statement on the $32 million award, noting that while the company is sorry for the family’s loss, Domino’s shouldn’t be held responsible for the franchisee’s driver.

“First, our hearts go out to all involved in this tragedy. This was a terrible accident. What’s difficult to comprehend is the idea that a corporation is responsible for whether an independent franchise employee is driving on bald tires. The employee is in question did not work for us; he worked for an established independent franchise operation. Franchisors do not control the day-to-day operations of franchisees, especially to that minute level of detail. We are saddened by this tragedy, but do intend to appeal the decision.”

Think of Subway restaurants. It might say somewhere, in tiny print, that the place is a franchise operation, but all you are going to see is the big blazing signage that says “SUBWAY” and if you have a problem there who are you going to complain about? Not some random franchisee, but Subway.

I had a similar experience when I worked for an “authorized retailer” for a major wireless provider. We had the providers name and logo blazed across the front of the store but not one indication whatsoever that we were not actually owned by that provider. People got mad about that when they realized how limited we actually were and how we weren’t being totally upfront about our operation.

It’s the same thing with contractors. Say a Comcast contractor, with the Comcast logo blazed across their van gets in an accident or runs down a dog? Immediately Comcast is like: “Oh well, it wasn’t ACTUALLY our fault, it was the contractors fault. We will take appropriate disciplinary action against them.”

At what point do the lines become too blurred? It shouldn’t require reading every bit of fine print everywhere to figure out exactly what company you are dealing with.

292 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:32:45am
293 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:32:57am

re: #286 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are already huffing & puffing & derping ALL U LIBRULZ WANT A WARRRR WEAR RR ALL UR ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATORS NOW!!!!!11!!!!

I thought all we libruls are pacifist pussies.

294 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:33:16am

re: #281 Gus

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I don’t think it’s “alleged” anymore.

295 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:33:36am

re: #293 b_sharp

I thought all we libruls are pacifist pussies.

296 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:33:44am

re: #285 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

So WWIII it is then?

How many WWIIIs have we had now again? I remember at least a dozen of them being promised over things in the last 5 years.

297 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:34:09am
298 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:34:55am

re: #295 Vicious Babushka

and code pink is nowhere to be seen

Don’t encourage them….

299 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:34:56am

re: #249 lawhawk

I’m glad that Kerry is talking about crimes against humanity being perpetrated against the Syrian people by the Assad regime.

The question now becomes what can and should the US do to hold the regime responsible?

The UK isn’t going to do anything, and neither does it appear that NATO is going to jump in the fray. Russia continues with its blocking actions.

And Assad gets to run up the body count in the interim.

100,000 and counting.

2 million refugees. And counting.

I’m probably being naive here, but why can’t the UN arrest Assad and try him at the Hague?

300 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:34:57am

If we do bomb Syria I can see the impeachment attempt already.

301 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:35:50am

re: #285 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

So WWIII it is then?

No, but there could be a few new Superfund sites.

302 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:36:21am

How come nobody states the obvious that this “war” will Syria will have come and gone before Labor Day even gets here? This “war” with Syria will be able to wear white shoes and not be out of fashion.

303 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:36:47am

A conservative friend of mine told me yesterday, in all seriousness, that he thinks Obama should bring in George W. Bush to manage the coming Syrian War.

304 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:37:03am

re: #299 Sionainn

Good idea. However, we would need to actually arrest him in the first place. That could be difficult.

305 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:37:22am

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

An example of too much corporate power. This LLC controlled by that LLC who contracts out to a subcontractor who subs his stuff out. It’s a fucking joke. All the profit none of the responsibility. If you you do get em on the hook for negligence or whatever it’s always settled out of court. Perfect little angels.

306 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:37:35am

re: #299 Sionainn

I’m probably being naive here, but why can’t the UN arrest Assad and try him at the Hague?

That would require full scale war. It would also require the Russians and the Chinese to not turn a blind eye to what is going on. This is why the UN is a good idea but also has a down side. You have the Russians and Chinese who can wield their veto power on the UNSC to stop the UN from even so much as raising an objection to what Assad is doing.

307 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:37:46am

re: #303 Eclectic Cyborg

Because Iraq went so well, and Afghanistan didn’t suffer from neglect at all.

/////dripping

308 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:37:56am

Interesting fact: According to Star Trek canon, the Third world war (in which 600 million will die) will occur approximately 40 years from now in 2053.

309 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:38:01am

Yesterday morning I screwed a customers database up. Then later that afternoon I screwed up another database while trying to fix my first screwup. I stayed up late last night fixing my screwup screwup and then woke up at 4:00am to finish fixing my screwup.

I think I need to take a nap.

310 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:38:37am

re: #309 b_sharp

Yesterday morning I screwed a customers database up. Then later that afternoon I screwed up another database while trying to fix my first screwup. I stayed up late last night fixing my screwup screwup and then woke up at 4:00am to finish fixing my screwup.

I think I need to take a nap.

Don’t drink a Red Bull and screw up the nap.

311 allegro  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:38:50am

re: #263 Gus

That sounds a whole lot like one of the emotional blackmail arguments used to get us into war in Iraq. Must be nice to be able to think in absolute terms, black and white, while discounting all consequences of taking a military action against yet another unstable, Mid-East nation.

This whole thing is freaking me out. Expressing what I’d prefer to see happen would get me banned.

312 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:38:57am

Pamela’s head has exploded

313 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:39:02am

re: #310 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t drink a Red Bull and screw up the nap.

Now you frikken tell me!

314 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:40:05am

re: #312 Vicious Babushka

She needs to drink more gin.

Preferably to a BAC of .5

315 jonhendry  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:40:48am

re: #297 Gus

Thugs? Impunity? You mean like Bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheney?

316 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:41:08am

re: #312 Vicious Babushka

I thought it had been awhile since Pammy checked in.

317 jonhendry  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:41:38am

re: #302 b.d.

Pretty much what Bush was expecting in Iraq. How’d that go?

318 SchadenBoner  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:42:18am

re: #302 b.d.

How come nobody states the obviuos that this “war” will Syria will have come and gone before Labor Day even gets here? This “war” with Syria will be able to wear white shoes and not be out of fashion.

You will, I am sure, forgive me if I am historically somewhat wary of wars starting in August being over with quickly.

319 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:42:34am

re: #316 Bulworth

I thought it had been awhile since Pammy checked in.

She totally wants a whole bunch of war on Syria and every other Muslim country in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD!!11!!!

But not if it’s approved by OBAMA!!!1!!!!

320 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:42:56am

I fully support a war tax.

321 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:43:02am

re: #316 Bulworth

We know.

322 allegro  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:43:12am

re: #277 wrenchwench

That’s the dumbest tweet I’ve seen from him. Does he think Kerry didn’t work with Obama on his speech?

Strangely, just last weekend I had a conversation with a friend who claimed that Obama is a passivist and that’s why the US is no longer respected as a world leader. I spit my rum and coke, I did - damn waste of good rum.

Wonder what he has to say about it today?

323 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:44:12am

re: #318 SchadenBoner

re: #317 jonhendry

Of course I could be wrong, that happens a lot, but comparing this to Iraq is comparing apples to oranges. My hunch is that we’ll lob some missles at some targets and sail away.

324 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:44:37am

re: #317 jonhendry

Pretty much what Bush was expecting in Iraq. How’d that go?

Bush was arrogant, reckless, hopelessly lacking in intellectual curiosity, and willing to swallow whatever BS Cheney was pushing. The whole lot of them were Dunning-Kruger writ large. The only reason I’m not reflexively opposed to Obama ordering action against Syria is because he’s actually shown a propensity for caution and thinking things through in an intelligent way.

325 SchadenBoner  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:45:36am

re: #312 Vicious Babushka

Pamela’s head has exploded

May it come speedily in our time?

326 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:45:41am

re: #323 b.d.

Of course I could be wrong, that happens a lot, but comparing this to Iraq is comparing apples to oranges. My hunch is that we’ll lob some missles at some targets and sail away.


h/t Lawhawk

327 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:45:43am


Derp. It’s already a civil war.

328 ObserverArt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:45:55am

re: #300 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

If we do bomb Syria I can see the impeachment attempt already.

Hey!… I was just getting ready to add this post. We are on the same page.

Is the messy situation that President Obama finds himself in with Syria a potential setup for a Great Republican Impeachment Drive?

With the current political play by the Republicans, I can see them standing around and not backing Obama on anything hoping that whatever he chooses to do goes bad so they can pin it on him as some kind of impeachable offense.

I hate to be so cynical, but nothing the Republicans have done since the man has been in office makes me think they wouldn’t try some kind of setup for failure to score even more political points.

Please tell me I am way way off base!!! I want to be wrong.

329 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:46:06am

re: #324 Interesting Times

Example, Libya.

Libya would be doing a lot better today if not for Qatar and the MB’s meddling and interference.

MB needs to be heavily restricted in around the Muslim World.

330 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:46:32am

re: #320 Amory Blaine

I fully support a war tax.

Any time we launch fur reel, the taxes should revert to 1945 levels for the duration. Might take the fun out of this shit.

331 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:46:54am

re: #320 Amory Blaine

I fully support a war tax.

A wart axe?
Why?

332 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:47:15am

re: #327 Gus

[Embedded content]


Derp. It’s already a civil war.

As you know, Xeni is on the board of the press freedom org. with Greenwald, etc., funding Wikileaks, etc.

333 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:47:16am

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

“Deep pockets” theory. What they do when the actual responsible party has insufficient insurance and assets. It reminds me of car makers getting forced to pay or settle when a teen buys a fast car, gets drunk and or drives way over the limit and gets himself and his passengers hurt or killed. The grieving paremts don’t sue the city that left the tree in the median, they don’t sue the car salesman or the agency that ran the ads for the performance car.

They sue the maker of the car. I don’t agree with that sort of thing at all.

How is it just for a party with 1% of responsibility to pay the big bucks? Fair vs. just?

334 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:47:16am

re: #326 wrenchwench

Didn’t they find yellowcake in Libya after Qaddafi was gone?

335 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:47:48am

re: #331 b_sharp

Cuz they take off the warts like nobody’s business!!!

336 jaunte  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:48:39am
337 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:48:55am

re: #334 ProTARDISLiberal

Didn’t they find yellowcake in Libya after Qaddafi was gone?

Dunno.

338 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:49:15am

re: #328 ObserverArt

Hey!… I was just getting ready to add this post. We are on the same page.

Is the messy situation that President Obama finds himself in with Syria a potential setup for a Great Republican Impeachment Drive?

With the current political play by the Republicans, I can see them standing around and not backing Obama on anything hoping that whatever he chooses to do goes bad so they can pin it on him as some kind of impeachable offense.

I hate to be so cynical, but nothing the Republicans have done since the man has been in office makes me think they wouldn’t try some kind of setup for failure to score even more political points.

Please tell me I am way way off base!!! I want to be wrong.

kinda makes a suspicious person wonder about McCain and his visits to Syria and his unnamed Syrian friends that he keeps bragging about to prove he knows all about the situation in Syria…

339 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:49:32am

On a site-related note, new troll haz crawled out from under its bridge again.

340 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:50:03am

Oh, ferchrissakes…

Stocks fall more as Kerry makes case against Syria

marketwatch.com

341 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:51:11am

Big difference between Kerry and Powell: I don’t get the feeling Kerry was sent out to lie on behalf of the administration.

342 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:51:45am
An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 7.0 struck in the Pacific Ocean just south of Alaska’s Aleutian Islands on Friday morning, the U.S. Geological Survey said.

There is no tsunami danger, the USGS said.

Link

343 Kragar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:51:59am

Jim DeMint: Providing Health Care For Seniors And Veterans Is ‘Un-American’ And Grounded In ‘Socialism’

We support the troops, except we don’t actually want to support the lazy commie bastards.
///

344 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:52:20am

re: #340 Justanotherhuman

Oh, ferchrissakes…

Stocks fall more as Kerry makes case against Syria

marketwatch.com

-45 to -70! OMFG! These kinds of dips and bumps are normal.

345 ObserverArt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:52:51am

re: #312 Vicious Babushka

Pamela’s head has exploded

[Embedded content]

Who is this Pam Geller? I forgot all about this Pam Geller person.

On purpose.

346 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:53:09am

Just because I worked and voted for him does not mean I give this president’s administration any more automatic credence than the last. The ghosts of Bush, Cheney and Colin Powell demand symmetry.

347 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:53:19am

re: #340 Justanotherhuman

Oh, ferchrissakes…

Stocks fall more as Kerry makes case against Syria

marketwatch.com

Why is one of the world’s economic drivers based on emotion?

348 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:54:08am

re: #341 darthstar

Big difference between Kerry and Powell: I don’t get the feeling Kerry was sent out to lie on behalf of the administration.

I’d like more than feelings before we step in the shit again.

349 jonhendry  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:54:52am

re: #334 ProTARDISLiberal

Libya had their own nuclear program, that they turned over to the US after we invaded Iraq. Not surprising if they had some raw materials laying around afterward.

350 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:55:52am
351 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:56:14am

re: #349 jonhendry

I had heard that there were rumors that Qaddafi may have wanted to restart when the world wasn’t watching.

The way he acted makes me find this plausible.

352 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:56:39am
353 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:56:41am

re: #340 Justanotherhuman

Oh, ferchrissakes…

Stocks fall more as Kerry makes case against Syria

marketwatch.com

Anything that hurts Angelo Mozilo and friends bottom line is all that matters in times like this.

354 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:56:47am

re: #344 darthstar

-45 to -70! OMFG! These kinds of dips and bumps are normal.

Just a blip as they try to figure out how to make a buck on his speech.

355 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:57:23am

re: #350 Gus

Again, today is the 18th Anniversary of NATO starting attacks in Bosnia to force those negotiations.

356 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:57:45am

I recently heard a rumor that there are rumors of a rumor mill on the Interwebs.

I believe it.

Love the pencil.

357 piratedan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:57:45am

re: #352 Vicious Babushka

someone has to clue Mark in how melanin based their decision making process has become

358 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:58:08am
359 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:58:35am

President Obama to briefly comment on Syria during appearance with presidents from Baltic region - @NBCNews
2 mins ago by editor

360 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:59:16am

Here’s how this plays out in the US politically.

Sec. State Kerry says that inaction will weigh on the nation’s conscience; GOP will blame Administration if they do nothing, and the body count rises in Syria.

If the President moves to act, the GOP will attempt to block action potentially with a vote in Congress. The body count will be blamed on Presidential inaction.

If the President moves to act, and Congress votes to approve, and the situation goes from bad to worse, the GOP will blame the President and Kerry for the entire mess.

Outcome: No good political outcome as the GOP will find fault with the Administration regardless of the circumstances.

Inaction is inhumane here given the use of chemical weapons by Assad. How we take that action is key.

The UN and NATO appear to be no gos. Unilateral (or with French support) is possible, but still not a great option. Who/what would we be targeting, and could we be assured of hitting all the necessary targets.

This isn’t like going after a solitary nuclear facility like the Israelis did back in 2007. The chemical weapons plants are more dispersed, and an attack could end up poisoning the surrounding area with significant casualties.

It may make more sense to attempt a snatch and grab of Assad directly, though that would require forces in excess of those used in the OBL raid, which was plenty complicated as it was.

And even if we got Assad, you’ve got a bunch of raving Islamists who would have no problem using those same chemical weapons against their enemies, and would cause plenty of mayhem in their own right.

Securing those NBC facilities would seem to be the key - denying their access to all sides, but that assumes they haven’t already fallen into the wrong hands. That would take boots on the ground, logistics, and a lot more troops than the other scenarios.

In other words - no good options. Only those that are less bad, and certainly those that are less bad than letting Assad continue padding the butcher’s bill.

361 ObserverArt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:59:20am

re: #324 Interesting Times

Bush was arrogant, reckless, hopelessly lacking in intellectual curiosity, and willing to swallow whatever BS Cheney was pushing. The whole lot of them were Dunning-Kruger writ large. The only reason I’m not reflexively opposed to Obama ordering action against Syria is because he’s actually shown a propensity for caution and thinking things through in an intelligent way.

And usually surprising the hell out of everyone with what he comes up with.

362 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:00:27am

G’night folks.

363 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:00:59am

re: #343 Kragar

Please proceed….

364 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:02:06am

OT: I actually just saw the ‘Clinton Body Count’ posted on Facebook.

Quick, what year is this again?

365 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:02:30am

re: #342 b.d.

Linky got gorned. USGS - 7.0

366 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:02:42am

re: #364 makeitstop

OT: I actually just saw the ‘Clinton Body Count’ posted on Facebook.

Quick, what year is this again?

Was it a geocities site?

367 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:03:05am

re: #364 makeitstop

OT: I actually just saw the ‘Clinton Body Count’ posted on Facebook.

Quick, what year is this again?

They forgot to edit it and make it “Valerie Jarrett Body Count”

368 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:03:58am

This is a tough situation. You’ve got one side who will condemn President Obama no matter how little or much he intervenes. And then you’ve got people like John McCain who have never met a potential war they didn’t like. I don’t envy the situation the president and his advisers are in in the slightest.

369 Kragar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:04:31am
370 jonhendry  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:04:40am

re: #351 ProTARDISLiberal

Maybe, but he pretty much turned in the technical stuff on his own initiative. He wasn’t forced, and apparently he was farther along than anyone knew.

Getting yellowcake wouldn’t be the main obstacle for him, as Libya has uranium deposits and there’s a rich deposit on the border between Libya and Chad.

The yellowcake that was found was 1000 barrels dumped in the middle of the desert. I’d think it was probably just abandoned, rather than being a ‘stash’ for later. They might not have even been able to sell it on the market, if the sale and distribution of yellowcake is controlled and regulated.

371 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:05:36am

re: #360 lawhawk

So why don’t we put a lot of effort into something, somewhere that can actually produce results and not leave us stinking in the desert?

372 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:05:53am

re: #369 Kragar

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And this is what I mean. Fischer will condemn Obama no matter what he does here and it’s a position that is held by many Congressional Republicans.

373 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:06:08am

re: #365 lawhawk

Linky got gorned. USGS - 7.0

thnx - fixed

374 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:07:34am

re: #369 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Reminder to wingnuts—-St. Ronnie got no congressional approval to invade, with ground troops, Grenada. That was cool with y’all.

375 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:09:18am

re: #374 b.d.

Reminder to wingnuts—-St. Ronnie got no congressional approval to invade, with ground troops, Grenada. That was cool with y’all.

But that was different because Ronnie could do no wrong and Obama can do no right,// But yeah this speaks to the hypocrisy on these kind of issues and what Obama is up against. It all fucking sucks.

376 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:10:37am

re: #372 HappyWarrior

And this is what I mean. Fischer will condemn Obama no matter what he does here and it’s a position that is held by many Congressional Republicans.

Brings up an idea. Why not bring a formal declaration of war before congress and follow the will of the representatives of the American people?

377 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:10:47am
President Obama expected to make remarks about Syria at 2:15 p.m. ET, according to a senior administration official.

per CNN

378 allegro  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:11:33am

I’m still trying to figure out how Obama is responsible for what’s going on in Syria.

379 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:11:35am

re: #376 Decatur Deb

Brings up an idea. Why not bring a formal declaration of war before congress and follow the will of the representatives of the American people?

Get no argument from me there.

380 elizajane  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:13:50am

re: #378 allegro

I’m still trying to figure out how Obama is responsible for what’s going on in Syria.

The rule is: always responsible for anything negative.
Never responsible for anything positive.

Now wasn’t that easy?

381 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:14:51am

All I want to know is, what’s David Gregory’s position in all of this? Will he be twerking at the press ball? Is it now inappropriate to wear a foam #1 finger at the ballgame?

382 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:15:13am
383 piratedan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:17:09am

well this is the aftermath of the Arab Spring where there aren’t enough secularists, well organized enough to take on the fundamental extremists and megalomaniac dictatorships to bring any sense of stability to the region as those folks got co-opted by the AQ and MB sects because they were more organized.

So what to do?

immediate aid via Lebanon and Turkey to help those refugees that are there

“strategic” strikes/attempts to take out the chemical weapon capabilities of the government and keeping them out of hand of the extremists… yeah, good luck with that

bombing the government infrastructure in order to try and broker peace talks between Assad and the MB and AQ and other secularist factions of the opposition?

Bombing “purely” military targets in hopes of reducing Assad’s capacity for war?

I don’t see how an economic embargo does much of anything here since the proxies will take care of their own…..

384 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:17:10am

re: #382 NJDhockeyfan

It’s a prestigious award.

Wasn’t that line from A Christmas Story?

385 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:18:11am

re: #384 b.d.

It’s a prestigious award.

:P

Will there be refreshments?

386 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:18:44am

re: #381 Amory Blaine

Ahh here’s one.

387 piratedan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:18:47am

re: #385 Decatur Deb

bet they’ll be a medal with ribbons and maybe a plaque!

388 ObserverArt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:19:37am

re: #380 elizajane

The rule is: always responsible for anything negative.
Never responsible for anything positive.

Now wasn’t that easy?

Four and a half years of it…no reason it will change in the next three and a half.

389 piratedan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:19:43am

re: #386 Amory Blaine

yeah, lets send him (Assad) a shitpotful of mealymouthed journos and pundits and see how he deals with that! oooo buuurrnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!

390 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:20:03am

re: #387 piratedan

bet they’ll be a medal with ribbons and maybe a plaque!

Hope it comes with a ceremonial fur jacket and mukluks.

391 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:20:04am

President Obama speaks on Syria in a few minutes..

392 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:20:31am

So, yesterday the WaPo ran that whole expose based on Snowden documents about how the NSA and other agencies cooperated to help support the raid to get OBL. It highlighted all the assets and tremendous infrastructure backing up the raid.

Gee, I can’t imagine where we might need those kinds of capabilities, say, like now. Syria. Bashar al Assad.

But now everyone knows what kinds of capabilities were involved, and what went into making that raid happen - and increased its chances of success.

Don’t think for a moment that Assad isn’t cognizant of what the US might consider doing against him personally.

Now, that may have positive outcomes without firing a shot of its own. Force Assad into hiding and limit his communications and command and control may limit his ability to maintain his forces and control over them. That potentially helps the rebels, but it also increases the chances for independent usage of chemical weapons by Army units. Doesn’t mean that he can’t send messages by means other than over radio/wire, but it makes it harder.

393 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:22:22am

re: #382 NJDhockeyfan

Gee the journalist who helped publish Snowden’s document stash is going to award him for dumping those documents obtained illegally. Yeah, sounds totally legit to me. /

394 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:25:43am

re: #328 ObserverArt

Oh no. I can see it already. With the nuts who are just waiting, looking for any reason to impeach, a missile strike would be used as the reason despite other presidents doing the same thing in other situations.

395 ObserverArt  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:26:20am

re: #386 Amory Blaine

Ahh here’s one.

[Embedded content]

I’m getting real sick of Gregory. Sometimes it seems he prepares what he is going to be wearing this week instead of how he can craftily ask questions that really expose a person to get some truth.

I knew Tim Russert. Tim was a friend to those wanting some truth. And David…you are no Tim Russert.

396 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:27:58am

re: #374 b.d.

Reminder to wingnuts—-St. Ronnie got no congressional approval to invade, with ground troops, Grenada. That was cool with y’all.

Invasion or student rescue? Has history decided?

Did Carter go to Congress for permission to try to rescue the hostages?

397 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:41:53am

re: #369 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Huh. So, we’ve gone from “Presidents don’t need Congressional Approval” to “Troops should disobey the President if Congress doesn’t approve”, and all with a slight darkening of the President.

398 darthstar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:49:00am
399 SchadenBoner  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:50:32am

re: #397 GeneJockey

Huh. So, we’ve gone from “Presidents don’t need Congressional Approval” to “Troops should disobey the President if Congress doesn’t approve”, and all with a slight darkening of the President.

Seems to me he’s suborning something-or-other.

What a lovely bunch these guys are, so much respect for the rule of law and constitutional originalism…

400 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:55:37am

re: #399 SchadenBoner

Seems to me he’s suborning something-or-other.

What a lovely bunch these guys are, so much respect for the rule of law and constitutional originalism…

Consistency is for suckers. There’s a black President they need to attack.

401 abolitionist  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:07:15pm

re: #3 steve_davis

No, Glenn is more clever than that. It was his birthday, in reverse. It was that “in reverse” part that was the very cunning plan.

Operation Ortsac -level secrecy.


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