Syrian Forensic Chief Defects to Turkey with Chemical Weapon Evidence

Senior Syrian medical chief defected with proof that Assad forces used chemical weapons in March
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The UN inspectors have left Syria, but an indictment against Assad may be on its way from a different direction before the results of their investigation are finalized: IsraelDefense.com: Syrian Forensic Chief Defects with Evidence of Chemical Weapon Use.

The Syrian opposition has stated today (Tuesday) that Abdul Tawwab Shahrour, head of the forensic medicine committee in Aleppo, has defected to Turkey.

According to Syrian opposition representatives, Shahrour is in possession of evidence pointing to the use of chemical weapons by the Bashar al-Assad regime in an attack that occurred earlier this year. More than 20 people were killed in an attack at the Khan al-Assal district near Aleppo on March 19. The Assad regime has previously denied allegations that it used chemical weapons during the attack.

According to the Syrian opposition, Shahrour has both documents and eyewitness accounts proving the use of chemical weapons during the events and contradicting the Assad regime’s version of the attack, which he intends to reveal at a news conference.

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1 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:29:16am

It was already said downstairs but this is a real whistleblower.

2 brennant  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:30:51am

Russia will, of course, deny this is evidence as well.

3 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:31:05am

So, how will the dudebros and wingnuts try to explain away this guy and his evidence?

4 piratedan  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:31:19am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

GG is already comparing him to Snowden, i.e. the NSA doing it’s job is the equivalent of launching chemical attacks on it’s own citizens….

5 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:31:56am

re: #4 piratedan

GG is already comparing him to Snowden, i.e. the NSA doing it’s job is the equivalent of launching chemical attacks on it’s own citizens….

Of course.

6 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:32:01am

This may be a game changer, but I’m not so sure.

Assad uses the chemical weapons to not only eliminate his enemies, but to reassure his allies that he’s in this for the long haul.

But it also means that if/when Assad gets ousted, the retribution against Assad, the Alawites, and their supporters will be exceptionally harsh. It’s not going to be pretty - and that is further hardening the views on both sides of the conflict inside Syria.

7 Tigger2  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:33:08am

re: #4 piratedan

GG is already comparing him to Snowden, i.e. the NSA doing it’s job is the equivalent of launching chemical attacks on it’s own citizens….

Yeah but GG is a fucking idiot.

8 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:33:26am
9 Kragar  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:34:13am

Meanwhile, from Limbaugh’s homepage:

Did the White House Help Plan the Syrian Chemical Attack?

10 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:34:18am

Related-the house is onboard for a strike.

cnn.com

11 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:35:25am

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

That is not even remotely surprising.

Remember, during Libya, the House was anti-intervention, while the Senate was pro-intervention.

12 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:36:22am

re: #3 Targetpractice

False flag!! Curveball!! General Powell’s UN presentation!!!

13 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:37:08am

re: #9 Kragar

Meanwhile, from Limbaugh’s homepage:

Did the White House Help Plan the Syrian Chemical Attack?

So Rush, you’re showing your inner Alex Jones. It looks good on you.

14 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:37:25am

re: #12 Bulworth

False flag!! Curveball!! General Powell’s UN presentation!!!

All sound entirely plausible. Especially when the dudebros in particular have been bombarding me with “NWO” BS.

15 blueraven  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:38:37am

re: #10 Political Atheist

Related-the house is onboard for a strike.

cnn.com

House leadership
rank and file…???

16 Kragar  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:39:22am

re: #14 Targetpractice

All sound entirely plausible. Especially when the dudebros in particular have been bombarding me with “NWO” BS.

As they listen to Rage Against the Machine while they search infowars and reddit for more links to spam to everyone they know.

17 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:41:01am

re: #16 Kragar

As they listen to Rage Against the Machine while they search infowars and reddit for more links to spam to everyone they know.

Nah, lately it’s been to PressTV, Russian “news” sites, and all posts East. Because as we all know, when you want the “truth” about what a country is doing, you go to the state-run press of their allies.

18 erik_t  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:42:40am

re: #15 blueraven

House leadership
rank and file…???

Hard-On For Bombing Middle Easterners vs. We Must Oppose Obama At All Junctures

Immovable object vs. irresistible force is always interesting to watch. Who ya got?

20 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:43:43am

re: #18 erik_t

Hard-On For Bombing Middle Easterners vs. We Must Oppose Obama At All Junctures

Immovable object vs. irresistible force is always interesting to watch. Who ya got?

My money’s on the TPers. They’ll kill the bill if for no other reason than to spite Obama.

21 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:44:42am

Heard on the radio, but can’t find a written account re: it, but

UN Secretary General just held a news conference where he said that an attack on Syria without the Security Council’s approval would be illegal.

22 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:45:19am

re: #21 sattv4u2

Heard on the radio, but can’t find a written account re: it, but

UN Secretary General just held a news conference where he said that an attack on Syria without the Security Council’s approval would be illegal.

BULLSHIT!

23 Tigger2  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:45:25am

re: #20 Targetpractice

My money’s on the TPers. They’ll kill the bill if for no other reason than to spite Obama.

Wow the TPers are soft on terrorism. //

24 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:45:59am

Who do I write to in Congress to call bullshit on the extremely low number of refugees we let in?

While I love Sweden, I really, really don’t like being upstaged by them.

25 erik_t  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:46:01am

re: #21 sattv4u2

Heard on the radio, but can’t find a written account re: it, but

UN Secretary General just held a news conference where he said that an attack on Syria without the Security Council’s approval would be illegal.

I care about a lot of relevant details pertaining to a possible intervention in Syria. The UN Secretary General, frankly, is not one of them.

What a profoundly worthless organization. It might even be more toothless than Congress.

26 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:47:03am

re: #22 Targetpractice

?

27 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:47:48am

re: #25 erik_t

I care about a lot of relevant details pertaining to a possible intervention in Syria. The UN Secretary General, frankly, is not one of them.

What a profoundly worthless organization. It might even be more toothless than Congress.

You read The Moscow Times !?!?

themoscowtimes.com

//

28 b.d.  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:49:17am

re: #21 sattv4u2

Heard on the radio, but can’t find a written account re: it, but

UN Secretary General just held a news conference where he said that an attack on Syria without the Security Council’s approval would be illegal.

I can’t wait for the Tea Partiers to start saying that we can’t do anything to Syria because of the UN.

29 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:50:08am

If engaging in military strikes sans UNSC approval is illegal, then I wanna know where the UN was when Russia beat the shit out of Georgia without so much as asking for a permission slip.

30 erik_t  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:50:45am

re: #29 Targetpractice

If engaging in military strikes sans UNSC approval is illegal, then I wanna know where the UN was when Russia beat the shit out of Georgia without so much as asking for a permission slip.

.

Hans Blix: Then let me look around, so I can ease the UN’s collective mind. I’m sorry, but the UN must be firm with you. Let me in, or else.
Kim Jong Il: Or else what?
Hans Blix: Or else we will be very angry with you… and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are.

31 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:51:00am

re: #29 Targetpractice

The excuse (thin as paper or less) was the self defense provision.

32 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:51:39am

re: #14 Targetpractice

All sound entirely plausible. Especially when the dudebros in particular have been bombarding me with “NWO” BS.

Heh. Ah, the NWO nonsense. I’ve found a wonderful way to silence that twaddle when it gets spewed in my direction.

I tell them I’m an Apprentice Mason. Which is true; I was. I never got around to getting the 2nd and 3rd Degrees, however.

33 Archangelus  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:52:06am

re: #6 lawhawk

This may be a game changer, but I’m not so sure.

Assad uses the chemical weapons to not only eliminate his enemies, but to reassure his allies that he’s in this for the long haul.

Yep, and yet ironically this will probably be the issue that brings him down in the end. 100,00 were killed and the world was mostly silent but once the chemical weapons became the issue, it was the beginning of the end..

But it also means that if/when Assad gets ousted, the retribution against Assad, the Alawites, and their supporters will be exceptionally harsh. It’s not going to be pretty - and that is further hardening the views on both sides of the conflict inside Syria.

This is perhaps one of the most anticipated things in this part - even Israel has been expecting it to happen for more than a year and has actually set a plan for what to do if and when Alawite refugees seek safety in Israel’s borders once Assad falls.

Mind you, when that happens they’ll also have to be cautious of exploding irony meters going off all over the place…

34 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:52:56am

re: #29 Targetpractice

Same place. Russia being a veto power means nothing could get through.

The Security Council needs reform. First of all, get rid of the veto. Second of all, put a high mark on number of votes for approval (75-80%)

Third, increase the number of permanent UNSC members, and the number of positions for the Rotating Seats.

35 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:53:22am

re: #19 Kragar

Lively: Russia a ‘Beacon of Freedom’ While US Is a ‘Gay Version of the Soviet Union’

Ah the face of the wingnut- Russia is awesome community. Gay version of the USSR? I won’t even touch that because of how stupid and unintentionally hilarious that is. It is sad though that Mr. Lively cares more about limiting the rights of homosexuals than he does anything else though.

36 team_fukit  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:53:29am

Why isn’t Rushbo concerned that chemical weapons of mass destruction were deployed right next door to Israel, no matter by whom?

Rush, Drudge and the like should be completely savaged on their anti-Israel posture. //

37 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:53:39am

WY Sen Candidate Cheney Declares That Conservatism Means Freedom For Everybody Unless I Guess If You Think They Are Yucky Like My Sister Then It’s OK If You Think They Are Non Persons

promises sister she can sit next to dad at thanksgiving and she won’t throw sweet potatoes at her this year

38 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:53:41am

re: #19 Kragar

Lively: Russia a ‘Beacon of Freedom’ While US Is a ‘Gay Version of the Soviet Union’

Then Lively can fucking move to Russia. I’ll even chip in a couple of bucks to make his dreams of liberty come true.

39 Archangelus  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:53:55am

re: #9 Kragar

Meanwhile, from Limbaugh’s homepage:

Did the White House Help Plan the Syrian Chemical Attack?

Answer: No. Now kindly Feck off, Lardo McDumbass…

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:54:10am

re: #21 sattv4u2

Heard on the radio, but can’t find a written account re: it, but

UN Secretary General just held a news conference where he said that an attack on Syria without the Security Council’s approval would be illegal.

Reagan invaded Grenada despite UN disapproval…

41 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:54:53am

re: #21 sattv4u2

nbcnews.com

More: UN chief says use of force only legal when in self-defense or with UN Security Council authorization - @Reuters

It’s so nice to see Ban Ki-Moon ignoring chemical weapons usage in violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention and the Geneva Conventions. If the UN can’t or wont uphold those benchmark international agreements, then the body count is on them as well. For they could have stood to oppose evil when it reared its ugly head, and the UN did nothing.

Well, you know what, Israel and Turkey could go and deal with Assad because they could claim self-defense (the preemptive/anticipatory self-defense variety especially since Assad has threatened Israel in particular). Turkey invokes NATO treaty obligations for assistance, and US steps up. Israel, similarly, requests US assistance.

42 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:55:12am

re: #36 team_fukit

Why isn’t Rushbo concerned that chemical weapons of mass destruction were deployed right next door to Israel, no matter by whom?

Why doesn’t the left, right now, totally savage Rush, Drudge and the like on their anti-Israel stance?

becuz arguing w rush on facts and logic is like trying to discuss philosophy with dogzs

43 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:55:14am

re: #30 erik_t

.

Hahaha love that movie.

44 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:56:07am
45 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:56:14am

re: #41 lawhawk

thanks

I heard it via a Reuters News service so I was waiting for it to be on their site

46 Archangelus  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:56:22am

Moment of Zen/shock/stupidity: Just realized that this was my post that got moved to the main section of the site… new and slightly terrifying experience..

47 Lidane  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:58:38am

re: #9 Kragar

Meanwhile, from Limbaugh’s homepage:

Did the White House Help Plan the Syrian Chemical Attack?

*headdesk*

48 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:59:05am

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reagan invaded Grenada despite UN disapproval…

We invaded Iraq despite there being no implicit authorization by the UNSC. Dubya just argued that it was covered by the “grave consequences” language in the last act they’d managed to ram through and went hog wild.

What exactly would the UN do to us if we went ahead with military strikes without UN authorization? A strongly worded letter of reprimand?

49 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:59:06am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Ah, an illustration from Sarah Palin’s new Ancient History textbook for children.

50 darthstar  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:59:23am

After hearing Boehner echo Pelosi this morning, I tweeted this:

51 Lidane  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:59:29am

re: #19 Kragar

Lively: Russia a ‘Beacon of Freedom’ While US Is a ‘Gay Version of the Soviet Union’

Anyone who calls Russia a beacon of freedom is invited to go to Moscow and hold a gay pride flag in their hands.

52 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:00:58am

Oh, for Pete’s sake. This guy is like a dim-witted version of Glenn Greenwald.

54 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:01:23am

re: #51 Lidane

Anyone who calls Russia a beacon of freedom is invited to go to Moscow and hold a gay pride flag in their hands.

I think that’s exactly why Lively likes it so much. As it’s often said here, these people are very undemocratic in their core principles. The funny part about Lively saying that the pro gay rights stuff is Communist is he himself ideologically has more in common with Stalin and Mao and many more Communists on this issue than any modern liberal.

55 Lawrence Schmerel  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:01:28am

The Russian Government will admit that it was wrong now and apologize to the U.S.

Congress will skip any unnecessary debate and immediately instruct the President to use his best judgment to take punitive measures against the Syrian Regime.

The U.K. will reverse its decision and join the effort.

56 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:01:44am

David Sirota is objectively pro-sarin.

57 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:01:55am

re: #48 Targetpractice

We invaded Iraq despite there being no implicit authorization by the UNSC. Dubya just argued that it was covered by the “grave consequences” language in the last act they’d managed to ram through and went hog wild.

What exactly would the UN do to us if we went ahead with military strikes without UN authorization? A strongly worded letter of reprimand?

The UN responded to Reagan with a sternly worded resolution, but that was about it.

58 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:02:02am

Here we go…

U.N.’s Ban casts doubt on legality of U.S. plans for Syria strike

reuters.com

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said on Tuesday that the use of force is only legal when it is in self-defense or with U.N. Security Council authorization, remarks that appear to question the legality of U.S. plans to strike Syria without U.N. backing.

He said that if U.N. inspectors confirm the use of chemical weapons in Syria, the Security Council, which has long been deadlocked on the 2-1/2-year Syrian civil war, should overcome its differences and take action.

“If confirmed, any use of chemical weapons by anyone under any circumstances will be a serious violation of international law and outrageous war crime,” he told reporters. “Any perpetrators must be brought to justice. There should be no impunity.”

59 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:02:23am

re: #53 Kragar


Creationist: Christians must challenge the ‘culture shift’ to rational, ‘humanist’ thought

I was sincerely thinking that was an Onion link but then I remembered how backwards evangelicals are.

60 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:03:34am

Of course, if the US does nothing. Many of the same people who have admonished us for wanting to use force will ask “Why didn’t they do anything while people were being gassed.” Damnit, Obama’s trying to do the right thing here. He’s in the ultimate can’t win position.

61 Kragar  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:04:06am

re: #59 HappyWarrior

I was sincerely thinking that was an Onion link but then I remembered how backwards evangelicals are.

I’m secret planning to build an army of Thomas Aquinas clones to take out the Dominionists.

62 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:04:06am

McCain again shows his sense of priorities..


3 hours ago-CNN

McCain to Russia: Bring back the Super Bowl ring

The Patriots’ owner said in 2005 he received a call from the White House telling him it would be in the best interest of U.S.-Russian relations to claim it was a gift to Putin, the Post reported. Kraft said in June that he played along. A few days after the 2005 incident, amid confusion as to whether the ring was a present or was kept by mistake, Kraft issued a statement saying it was a gift.

That’s the way Putin sees it, too, the president’s spokesman said in June.

Russia, which has major trade deals with Syria, is sending a delegation to Washington for “dialogue” with members of Congress, the Kremlin said Monday.

63 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:04:13am

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Oh, for Pete’s sake. This guy is like a dim-witted version of Glenn Greenwald.

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Sirota is a drooling Glennbot.

64 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:04:48am

re: #61 Kragar

I’m secret planning to build an army of Thomas Aquinas clones to take out the Dominionists.

Aquinas sounds like a commie to me!

65 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:05:19am

re: #53 Kragar

Creationist: Christians must challenge the ‘culture shift’ to rational, ‘humanist’ thought

Very bad thinking. Amazingly bad, in fact. Creationism is a mental disease that affects the logic centers of the brain.

66 Kragar  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:05:37am
67 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:05:43am

re: #58 Justanotherhuman

Here we go…

U.N.’s Ban casts doubt on legality of U.S. plans for Syria strike

reuters.com

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said on Tuesday that the use of force is only legal when it is in self-defense or with U.N. Security Council authorization, remarks that appear to question the legality of U.S. plans to strike Syria without U.N. backing.

He said that if U.N. inspectors confirm the use of chemical weapons in Syria, the Security Council, which has long been deadlocked on the 2-1/2-year Syrian civil war, should overcome its differences and take action.

“If confirmed, any use of chemical weapons by anyone under any circumstances will be a serious violation of international law and outrageous war crime,” he told reporters. “Any perpetrators must be brought to justice. There should be no impunity.”

He doesn’t realize how toothless and ineffectual that makes the UN sound. There’s no way that Russia will agree to even limited strikes on Syria and so any authorization is going to be vetoed. Which means when UN inspectors come back with a report that chemical weapons were used by the Assad regime, the UN’s going to look foolish for admitting as much but likewise admitting it can’t take action because the offending party is a client state of a Security Council member with veto power.

68 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:06:02am

re: #52 Charles Johnson

And if military intervention did make it better?

Unpossible! Military intervention anywhere can never make anything better. /

69 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:06:03am

re: #62 Political Atheist

McCain again shows his sense of priorities..

Just when you think McCain has some decency to him(him criticizing Fox for engaging in Islamaphobia), he does something like this and reminds us all why the Senate will be better off without him when he retires.

70 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:06:10am

re: #19 Kragar

Lively: Russia a ‘Beacon of Freedom’ While US Is a ‘Gay Version of the Soviet Union’

The Pink Swastika

this book is likely to blame the SA which of course had many prominent gay members including the leader ernst roehm but was also utterly wiped out early on in the infamous ‘night of long knives’

and while the SA was undoubtedly a bunch of sadistic thugs they also were the last bastion of the idea that the nazi party was actually in fact a socialist party as it declared in its name and original manifesto

even before roehm was out of the way, hitler had been vigorously rejecting any of their former socialist policy positions

71 Kragar  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:06:44am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Aquinas sounds like a commie to me!

Total hippie.

“Man should not consider his material possession his own, but as common to all, so as to share them without hesitation when others are in need.”
- Thomas Aquinas

72 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:08:23am

re: #70 dog philosopher

The Pink Swastika

this book is likely to blame the SA which of course had many prominent gay members including the leader ernst roehm but was also utterly wiped out early on in the infamous ‘night of long knives’

and while the SA was undoubtedly a bunch of sadistic thugs they also were the last bastion of the idea that the nazi party was actually in fact a socialist party as it declared in its name and original manifesto

even before roehm was out of the way, hitler had been vigorously rejecting any of their former socialist policy positions

The whole basis of Lively’s argument is “There were gay Nazis so ergo it’s okay to engage in widespread persecution of gays.” He’s also urged Russia to go after Gays like the USSR went after the Nazis. Not that I’m upset that the USSR did defeat the Nazis but Lively pretty much urged Russia to engage in the full scale slaughter and brutalization of LGBT people. He’s a sick fuck who honestly and I hate to violate Godwin here would have felt at home in any Fascist regime such as the Nazis.

73 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:08:34am

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Eliminating a guy who gasses his enemies in small numbers, and then progressively larger numbers? That’s what going and intervening in Syria is about. Assad violates the CWC and Geneva Conventions. He used chemical weapons, not just in the recent instance, but earlier this year.

That first one in March was just a test to gauge international response. The response? Chatter, but no action.

Emboldened, he carried out a bigger attack. The response? Again, chatter, and a threat of military action, but even the UN is blocking action so long as Russia plays the veto card.

That means Assad will again use those chemical weapons against his enemies - knowing full well that he’s got nothing to lose, he’s in it for the duration, and the West will do nothing. He will slaughter with impunity.

And all that ignores the democide of the opposition that is in the tens of thousands (more than 100k dead beyond those killed in the WMD attack). That alone should have been reason enough to step in.

74 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:08:38am

re: #71 Kragar

Total hippie.

“Man should not consider his material possession his own, but as common to all, so as to share them without hesitation when others are in need.”
- Thomas Aquinas

Burn the witch.

75 b.d.  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:08:39am

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

Sirota is a drooling Glennbot.

Mini-G

76 erik_t  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:08:41am

re: #67 Targetpractice

The fact that the UN Security Council has permanent members with absolute veto power is and has always been a de facto admission that the most powerful arm of the United Nations has no actual power of any kind.

It’s really kind of sad. I’m not sure the League of Nations didn’t make more sense on paper.

77 Kragar  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:09:41am

Less than one hour after posting my new and updated resume and I got an email from a bank in LA who want to interview me.

Cool beans.

78 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:09:49am

re: #70 dog philosopher

The Pink Swastika

this book is likely to blame the SA which of course had many prominent gay members including the leader ernst roehm but was also utterly wiped out early on in the infamous ‘night of long knives’

and while the SA was undoubtedly a bunch of sadistic thugs they also were the last bastion of the idea that the nazi party was actually in fact a socialist party as it declared in its name and original manifesto

even before roehm was out of the way, hitler had been vigorously rejecting any of their former socialist policy positions

The very reason the SA was suppressed was because many of them did indeed believe in the ‘socialist’ part of NSDAP. Röhm had also expressed the idea of the SA forming the nucleus of a new revolutionary German Army.

Needless to say, that didn’t sit too well with the Prussian old-guard conservatives.

79 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:10:14am

re: #67 Targetpractice

He doesn’t realize how toothless and ineffectual that makes the UN sound. There’s no way that Russia will agree to even limited strikes on Syria and so any authorization is going to be vetoed. Which means when UN inspectors come back with a report that chemical weapons were used by the Assad regime, the UN’s going to look foolish for admitting as much but likewise admitting it can’t take action because the offending party is a client state of a Security Council member with veto power.

Russia may eventually relent - but probably only after Assad launches his next round of WMD attacks against the rebels, increasing the body count further still. Each time Assad uses the weapons, he sees the reaction, and realizes he could use them in bigger doses, because there’s no downside.

80 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:10:24am

re: #62 Political Atheist

It does show the leadership we are dealing with though.

A kleptocratic regime with no moral base.

81 Kragar  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:11:26am

re: #80 ProTARDISLiberal

It does show the leadership we are dealing with though.

A kleptocratic regime with no moral base.

Texas?
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82 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:12:36am

re: #81 Kragar

Pretty close.

83 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:12:56am

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Same people backing Anti-Sharia law legislation same people opposing rationalism, humanistic thinking.

84 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:13:58am

re: #83 Bulworth

Same people backing Anti-Sharia law legislation same people opposing rationalism, humanistic thinking.

It’s truly scary to see that we have a vocal movement in this country that thinks the Enlightenment was a blight on process.

85 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:14:27am

re: #79 lawhawk

Russia may eventually relent - but probably only after Assad launches his next round of WMD attacks against the rebels, increasing the body count further still. Each time Assad uses the weapons, he sees the reaction, and realizes he could use them in bigger doses, because there’s no downside.

I think Russia will continue to insist even then that there be no military action, that any response be purely political and geared towards destroying the weapons in question while leaving Assad’s forces able to fight.

86 Kragar  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:14:41am

re: #83 Bulworth

Same people backing Anti-Sharia law legislation same people opposing rationalism, humanistic thinking.

They oppose Sharia because they want their religious dogma to be the law.

87 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:15:34am

re: #79 lawhawk

Russia may eventually relent - but probably only after Assad launches his next round of WMD attacks against the rebels, increasing the body count further still.

I don’t that that happens unless gas-tipped Scuds fly across the border. If Assad’s stupid enough to gas Israel or Turkey, Putin might ice him personally to keep shit from getting really out of control.

On the other hand, Putin probably doesn’t give a shit if Assad turns Syria into a gas chamber.

88 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:16:46am

Anyhow one of my favorite things was when Steve Jobs died, one of the Phelps clan was raving and ranting about how Jobs corrupted the world with all his technology innovations. It was kindly pointed out that Shirley Phelps had made the post from Twitter. I really do think the Enlightenment is one of the most important and you could make a case for the most important thing to happen to Western Civilization. It was the Enlightenment and no not Evangelical Christianity that resulted in more democratic thinking. It’s why most countries in Europe and North America are either parliamentary democracies or have a monarch who is a monarch in name only. The roots in that are in the Enlightenment where reason was valued more than the word of a Holy Book written thousands of years ago.

89 Quicklund  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:27:21am

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Oh, for Pete’s sake. This guy is like a dim-witted version of Glenn Greenwald. [David Sirota]

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One word too many in that comment: “like”.

90 Archangelus  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:27:26am

Charles, since it seems i can’t make any changes to the post anymore, could you make a small change and replace the word “Report:” from the link to “IsraelDefense:” (where the article is from)? I feel bad not properly crediting the source to begin with… Thanks

91 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:28:41am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

Ah, an illustration from Sarah Palin’s new Ancient History textbook for children.

And God said, let there be Photoshop. And there was Photoshop.

Suddenly the Evangelicals knew they had the proof that the world was 6,000 years old and how the pyramids were constructed.

92 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:37:06am

re: #71 Kragar

Total hippie.

“Man should not consider his material possession his own, but as common to all, so as to share them without hesitation when others are in need.”
- Thomas Aquinas

Well gee…aren’t all Hippies Commies?

That is what they told us back in ‘68!

(Disclosure - 12 years of Catholic school…much educated in Aquinas and Franciscan dogma!)

93 Teukka  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:39:41am

re: #24 ProTARDISLiberal

Who do I write to in Congress to call bullshit on the extremely low number of refugees we let in?

While I love Sweden, I really, really don’t like being upstaged by them.

And wait until you hear this about Sweden: The biggest party in the centre-right alliance administration is the Moderates (Moderaterna) (m), which is the Swedish equivalent of the GOP (SIC(!))…
Feel free to thwap your reps and senators (R/D/whateva) with that fact.

re: #87 Internet Tough Guy

I don’t that that happens unless gas-tipped Scuds fly across the border. If Assad’s stupid enough to gas Israel or Turkey, Putin might ice him personally to keep shit from getting really out of control.

On the other hand, Putin probably doesn’t give a shit if Assad turns Syria into a gas chamber.

If Assad is stupid as gassing Israel or Turkey, things will escalate quickly and really get out of hand fast, or in other words, the SHTF and goes pear shaped simultaneously.

And from what I’ve gathered so far about Assad, he might just be that bat**** crazy or stupid. Or desperate. I have for a while now found it more and more difficult to shake the gut feeling that Assad might be intentionally trying to get other parties involved in the civil war, either by provocation or by giving them excuses.

94 Lidane  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:43:35am
95 majii  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 12:26:34pm

re: #21 sattv4u2

That is a lie. The UN has no power to tell a member nation what it can and cannot do. Ban Ki-moon has lost his frigging mind. He already knows that if only one member of the Security Council objects to anything, the measure is DEAD. With China and Russia on the Security Council, there’s no way the UN will be able to take any action against Assad. All it takes for President Obama to intervene in Syria is the War Powers Act, which gives a president the power to act unilaterally, without Congress, for a period of 60 days, after which he needs the approval of Congress to continue. The U.S. Congress has the power to make a formal declaration of war without the permission of the UN.

96 AlexRogan  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 2:52:18pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Oh, for Pete’s sake. This guy is like a dim-witted version of Glenn Greenwald.

Well, it’s not like GG’s a Mensa candidate either…

97 jonhendry  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:30:54pm

Lesson #umpteen of Iraq: Never trust a “defector” with “evidence”

98 jonhendry  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:32:32pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

So, how will the dudebros and wingnuts try to explain away this guy and his evidence?

Curveball. Mobile bioweapon labs. Etc.


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