1 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:12:24pm
Cheney filled her 90-minute speech and question-and-answer session with red meat for the conservative crowd. She compared herself to Winston Churchill standing up to Adolf Hitler and suggested members of both parties in Congress are hiding information about Obamacare from the public.
2 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:18:42pm

Eyes being opened here.

3 FurryNavyDude  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:21:00pm

Gearhead help needed.

I’ve been trying to rebuild the turbo encabulator from my 1990 Chrysler Morgana and this video is the only thing I’ve been able to find. Anyone have a link to a manual?

Youtube Video

4 Gus  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:24:52pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Eyes being opened here.

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5 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:27:11pm

Barrett Browne once got very upset when I asked him who provides free legal services for him. I still don’t know who’s paying the bill but his lawyer is interesting….
US stops jailed activist Barrett Brown from discussing hacking prosecution

Brown’s lead defence attorney, Ahmed Ghappour, has countered in court filings, the most recent of which was lodged with the court Wednesday, that the government’s request for a gag order is unfounded as it is based on false accusations and misrepresentations.

en.wikipedia.org

Ahmed Ghappour (born May 5, 1980) is a lawyer and Clinical Instructor with the National Security Clinic at the University of Texas Law School. He also directs the National Security Defense Project (the “NSDP”), an access to justice initiative that addresses constitutional issues in national security prosecutions.[1]

Before founding the NSDP, Ghappour worked with Lt. Cmd. Charles Swift (Hamdan v. Rumsfeld), taking numerous national security cases to trial. Prior to that, Ahmed was a Staff Attorney at Reprieve UK, where he represented Guantanamo detainees in their habeas corpus proceedings and challenged the US Extraordinary Rendition Program. He was a senior legal advisor at a Cairo-based human rights organization, where he worked on security sector reform, and international accountability litigation. He is a National Security Committee member of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

In 2009, Ghappour along with Reprieve founder Clive Stafford Smith faced the possibility of being found in contempt of court because of a letter they sent to President Barack Obama explaining allegations of torture by US agents of their mutual client Binyam Mohamed.[2]

“a Cairo-based human rights organization, where he worked on security sector reform”. That’s curiously vague.

6 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:29:27pm

I only remember BB for his endless and sometimes illogical defense of Anonymous at almost every turn, was he known for much more than that?

7 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:32:21pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

I only remember BB for his endless and sometimes illogical defense of Anonymous at almost every turn, was he known for much more than that?

Not really, aside from threatening to kill an FBI agent I think that’s about all he did.

8 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:32:23pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Time to follow the little red string.

9 blueraven  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:32:40pm

re: #4 Gus

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Oh brother

The Five’s Eric Bolling Holds Up ‘Bloody’ Hand to Protest War in Syria

Fox News’ Eric Bolling went full Code Pink Wednesday afternoon, adopting that group’s latest protest tactic by rubbing ketchup all over his hand and holding it up on live television in opposition to military action in Syria. “We should be careful before we shed any more blood, ours or theirs,” Bolling declared. “This is not our war.”

Bolling began by going after President Obama for claiming he “didn’t a red line” on Syria, before saying there was something important he needed to do. The host then held up his “bloody” hand, as his co-hosts chuckled, and delivered these prepared remarks:

“We should be very selective on how and when we shed blood-ours or theirs. American patriots shed blood to protect our families, our country, our way of life. There’s no reason to shed blood, ours or theirs, for a civil war between two radical Muslim groups who frankly hate us. So we should be careful before we shed any more blood-ours or theirs. This is not our war. We need to stay out of the Middle East.”

10 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:33:41pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Not really, aside from threatening to kill an FBI agent I think that’s about all he did.

Ohhhh. Is that what got him arrested?

11 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:34:05pm

re: #9 blueraven

What a revolting development. I didn’t expect such theatrical Obama derangement syndrome, even from Fox News.

12 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:34:39pm

re: #11 EPR-radar

What a revolting development. I didn’t expect such theatrical Obama derangement syndrome, even from Fox News.

Interstingly, “The Five” is the program that replaced Glenn Beck.

13 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:35:10pm

re: #9 blueraven

Oh look, another ignorant bigot.

I am actually impressed today by Anthony Weiner. He managed to restrain himself from caving in the skull of that racist git.

Many people would have gone into “HULK SMASH!!” mode.

14 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:35:57pm

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

Ohhhh. Is that what got him arrested?

That and some minor evidence tampering and hacking stuff.

15 blueraven  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:36:49pm

re: #11 EPR-radar

What a revolting development. I didn’t expect such theatrical Obama derangement syndrome, even from Fox News.

Bolling has a particularity disgusting case of ODS, and has for a very long time.

remember the Obama chugging 40s comment?

Video

16 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:37:39pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

That and some minor evidence tampering and hacking stuff.

Is he out?

17 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:39:34pm

Interesting detail from the Guardian article…

In its motion to the Dallas district court, US prosecutors accuse Brown and his associates of having “solicited the services of the media or media-types to discuss his case” and of continuing to “manipulate the public through press and social media comments”.

It further accuses Ghappour of “co-ordinating” and “approving” the use of the media, and alleges that between them they have spread “gross fabrications and substantially false recitations of facts and law which may harm both the government and the defence during jury selection”.

Media and media types? Who would be on that list? I think the Guardian and Greenwald would surely be there. Who else? MSNBC? Al Jazeera? Russia Today?

18 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:39:57pm

re: #16 Decatur Deb

Is he out?

Nope, still in jail.

19 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:40:51pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Interesting detail from the Guardian article…

Media and media types? Who would be on that list? I think the Guardian and Greenwald would surely be there. Who else? MSNBC? Al Jazeera? Russia Today?


Wired is or was doing an extensive story a week or so ago.

20 Kragar  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:40:56pm

Loki teaches Cookie Monster a valuable lesson

Youtube Video

21 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:41:05pm

re: #15 blueraven

That’s the first time I’ve subjected myself to Fox News in a long time. It is much worse than I thought.

23 blueraven  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:42:54pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

That’s the first time I’ve subjected myself to Fox News in a long time. It is much worse than I thought.

Oh hell, that was when he was still on the obscure Fox Business.
That one got him promoted to the regular FNC line-up.

24 Gus  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:42:54pm
25 FurryNavyDude  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:47:23pm

re: #20 Kragar

When I was a kid, it always bothered me that Cookie Monster never managed to swallow anything. He just massacred the cookies and crumbs went everywhere.

26 Kragar  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:49:52pm

re: #25 FurryNavyDude

When I was a kid, it always bothered me that Cookie Monster never managed to swallow anything. He just massacred the cookies and crumbs went everywhere.

No wonder he’s always so damn hungry. The poor guy is a modern day Tantalus.

27 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:49:52pm

re: #25 FurryNavyDude

When I was a kid, it always bothered me that Cookie Monster never managed to swallow anything. He just massacred the cookies and crumbs went everywhere.

Ever seen a two year old with a rice cake?

28 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:50:55pm

re: #24 Gus

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As I mentioned downstairs, he’s wearing a combat medic badge. This NCO is a real soldier unlike the face hiding cowards that have been meme’d of late.

29 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:54:57pm
30 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:56:57pm

re: #19 Decatur Deb


Wired is or was doing an extensive story a week or so ago.

ah, good point. C-Net and the other techy kinda outlets would probably give him favorable stories too.

31 FurryNavyDude  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:57:45pm

re: #27 Decatur Deb

I remember when my daughter was a toddler and she’d eat Cheerios. Most of them ended up stuck to her face, arms, feet. Very few made it into her mouth, so it’s probably somewhat similar.

re: #26 Kragar

It’s sorta like Cookie Monster has an eating disorder…

Poor guy.

32 Gus  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 8:00:06pm

Fuck Putin with a spork.

33 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 8:09:53pm

re: #24 Gus

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That is a edifying Tweet. ‘A One in a Million’ to cite the ‘70 Tubes.

34 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 8:11:39pm

re: #25 FurryNavyDude

When I was a kid, it always bothered me that Cookie Monster never managed to swallow anything. He just massacred the cookies and crumbs went everywhere.

Always great to see a Navy guy here!
quit being a stranger..

35 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 8:25:07pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Barrett Browne once got very upset when I asked him who provides free legal services for him. I still don’t know who’s paying the bill but his lawyer is interesting….
US stops jailed activist Barrett Brown from discussing hacking prosecution

en.wikipedia.org

“a Cairo-based human rights organization, where he worked on security sector reform”. That’s curiously vague.

Must be a terrorist, then.

36 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 8:28:07pm

Sorry I killed the Thread..I need to get off here on my Linux mint ame laptop which I love to my Win7 monster desktop in order to use Xen desktop for work..
Although the Laptop is a i7 VPro Quad core chipset and screams without errors ever..
Linux sucks at running Citrix receivers and specialty software which shows even though they rock the Server world and VMware and Clouds..They totally suck at being a serious consumer product to challenge Windows 8 in the market place..Your Mom and Dad, Kid or grandpa isn’t buying a Linux box for Christmas this year.

37 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 8:29:16pm

re: #9 blueraven

Oh brother

The Five’s Eric Bolling Holds Up ‘Bloody’ Hand to Protest War in Syria

If Obama walked from the White House to the Pentagon across the Potomac River, Fox would accuse him of being too lazy to swim.

38 FurryNavyDude  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 8:39:19pm

re: #34 A Man for all Seasons

Thanks! I’m sorta a refugee from the recent insanity at Daily Kos. I signed up last year as a backup safe harbor when DK was going through another ODS phase.

This recent one is much worse and I finally decided to wade in.

Couldn’t stomach the Snowden/Greenwald/Rapist Assange hero worship over there anymore.

39 jaunte  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 8:39:41pm

re: #24 Gus

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40 blueraven  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 8:44:26pm

lol at Colbert

English Muffin is now Liberty Toast

41 Lidane  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:02:03pm

Evening all! I am putting a cap on this very long, very weird day by getting my Justified fangirl on. I bought a jar of apple pie moonshine the other day and cracked it open tonight. Poured a single shot into a glass and topped it with ginger ale for the bubbles. Not bad. I like it.

Looks like I will be taking Friday off from work. My grandmother’s rosary is Friday night and the funeral is Saturday morning. It’s going to be a long set of days.

42 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:05:06pm

re: #4 Gus

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The Constitution is always “being shredded” or “has just been ripped to shreds”, and yet it survives. Hater Loons = Drama Queens

43 jaunte  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:05:06pm
44 blueraven  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:08:49pm

re: #41 Lidane

Evening all! I am putting a cap on this very long, very weird day by getting my Justified fangirl on. I bought a jar of apple pie moonshine the other day and cracked it open tonight. Poured a single shot into a glass and topped it with ginger ale for the bubbles. Not bad. I like it.

Looks like I will be taking Friday off from work. My grandmother’s rosary is Friday night and the funeral is Saturday morning. It’s going to be a long set of days.

Sorry about your Grandmother Lidane. Take care!

45 Lidane  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:17:04pm

re: #44 blueraven

Sorry about your Grandmother Lidane. Take care!

Thanks. I’ll be okay. Either it hasn’t hit me yet or I’m just really accepting. I’m not sure which. It was just a strange series of events today.

My grandmother was 97 years old, so I’d expected to get the call for a while. Aside from her age and her use of a walker, she was otherwise in good health for her age. It was just time. I’ll miss her, but she had a good life. Tomorrow I’ll be setting travel plans and telling my boss I need Friday off.

46 klys  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:28:30pm

re: #45 Lidane

Thanks. I’ll be okay. Either it hasn’t hit me yet or I’m just really accepting. I’m not sure which. It was just a strange series of events today.

My grandmother was 97 years old, so I’d expected to get the call for a while. Aside from her age and her use of a walker, she was otherwise in good health for her age. It was just time. I’ll miss her, but she had a good life. Tomorrow I’ll be setting travel plans and telling my boss I need Friday off.

It was a lot easier with my great-grandmother who was 92(?) than either of my grandparents in their mid-70s.

I hope Friday and Saturday end up being a comfort in addition to a drain, instead of just a drain.

47 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:28:44pm

re: #45 Lidane

Thanks. I’ll be okay. Either it hasn’t hit me yet or I’m just really accepting. I’m not sure which. It was just a strange series of events today.

My grandmother was 97 years old, so I’d expected to get the call for a while. Aside from her age and her use of a walker, she was otherwise in good health for her age. It was just time. I’ll miss her, but she had a good life. Tomorrow I’ll be setting travel plans and telling my boss I need Friday off.

Where are the services?

And by the way, hugs. SWMBO obeyed and I being orphans, now, we understand the confusion and “hmmf” that comes with these events. Never easy, always perplexing.

48 klys  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:35:26pm

My sister found a job ad today for a teacher-in-residence environmental education position up in Marin. Ten and a half months, room, board, and health insurance, plus a tiny stipend. Plus! Marin! I could drive and see her! She could come for weekends!

On the other hand, it is yet another internship and no permanent job yet.

I am very conflicted on what to root for.

49 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:37:13pm

re: #48 klys

My sister found a job ad today for a teacher-in-residence environmental education position up in Marin. Ten and a half months, room, board, and health insurance, plus a tiny stipend. Plus! Marin! I could drive and see her! She could come for weekends!

On the other hand, it is yet another internship and no permanent job yet.

I am very conflicted on what to root for.

Its actually pretty decent. I’d hope she gets it.

50 klys  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:37:53pm

re: #48 klys

The tall ship position has been …interesting, in her words.

Although it’s proven that at least one of us does colors other than LOBSTER RED and DEAD WHITE. But it is still not me.

My “tan” lines are other people’s normal.

51 klys  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:39:25pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Its actually pretty decent. I’d hope she gets it.

If the choice is between this and nothing, I am all for it. But I know she would really like to be settled and start building a life for herself and yet another internship isn’t going to lead to that. She’ll be a year and a half out of graduation in December.

But I am selfish and want my sister nearby because I miss her. This boat thing sucks, in that she is rarely online and difficult to catch on the phone, and we talk a lot.

52 Lidane  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 10:05:23pm

re: #47 austin_blue

Where are the services?

Everything’s in Laredo so I’ll be heading south on Friday.

And by the way, hugs. SWMBO obeyed and I being orphans, now, we understand the confusion and “hmmf” that comes with these events. Never easy, always perplexing.

Thanks. It’s strange. Like I said, I’m either really accepting of things or it just hasn’t hit yet. I’ll know when I’m there, I guess.

53 darthstar  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 10:58:06pm

Fuckin’ terr’rists…bring ‘em on.

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Good night, everyone…

54 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 11:03:22pm

re: #53 darthstar

Fuckin’ terr’rists…bring ‘em on.

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Good night, everyone…

Can hardly go for a picnic in the Superstition Wilderness area outside of Phoenix without having to duck stray slugs…

55 Kragar  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 11:04:55pm


The only insanity I see if Fisch’s dumbass thinking this is happening.

56 Lidane  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 11:16:19pm

re: #55 Kragar

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The only insanity I see if Fisch’s dumbass thinking this is happening.

He’s not the only one thinking it. The RWNJ derp machine is in full force, convincing people on all sides that we’re going to invade Syria alongside Al Qaeda to slaughter Christians and to beat down that patron saint of religious freedom, Assad.

It’s insane. Even otherwise smart people that I know are falling for this shit. WTF.

57 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 11:17:53pm

re: #55 Kragar

His line of thinking (it can only be called “logic” in the broadest of terms) is that Obama is such a threat to the USA, anything he does is or even tries to do evil and degenerate and will bring about our ruin.

Therefore we must criticize and oppose everything he does in order to save America!

In that light, everything he says makes perfect “sense”.

58 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 11:33:29pm

re: #56 Lidane

He’s not the only one thinking it. The RWNJ derp machine is in full force, convincing people on all sides that we’re going to invade Syria alongside Al Qaeda to slaughter Christians and to beat down that patron saint of religious freedom, Assad.

It’s insane. Even otherwise smart people that I know are falling for this shit. WTF.

Yep, that’s the line that’s getting pushed by the wingnuts, “All the rebels are affiliated/led by Al-Q! If we get involved, we’ll end up putting them in power!” I didn’t catch the House hearing, but I could detect hints of that mindset in a few of the GOPers at the Senate hearing.

59 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 11:35:04pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Yep, that’s the line that’s getting pushed by the wingnuts, “All the rebels are affiliated/led by Al-Q! If we get involved, we’ll end up putting them in power!” I didn’t catch the House hearing, but I could detect hints of that mindset in a few of the GOPers at the Senate hearing.

First we have to clear up the matter of Benghazi…

60 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 11:35:55pm

re: #59 Sol Berdinowitz

First we have to clear up the matter of Benghazi…

I’m surprised they haven’t yet come out and said “Defund Obamacare and we’ll give you your authorization!”

61 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 11:37:45pm

customer buys a copy of the code, customer sends me a detailed question, gotta spend the time to write a detailed reply

why don’t they just all give me money and leave me alone, huh? huh?

62 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 11:40:27pm

Benghazi

why don’t we just bring monica lewinsky back into it for good measure?

63 freetoken  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 11:56:02pm

That quintessential American sport entertainment known as “professional wrestling” has always had more than its share of characters, and one of the more famous is Roddy Piper.

Well, Roddy showed up on …. Alex Jones’ radio program.

Yup really. Roddy is a Jones fan:

Youtube Video

I guess Roddy joins is old buddy Jesse Ventura in the one-too-many-headbutts crowd.

64 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 12:53:08am

re: #63 freetoken

That quintessential American sport entertainment known as “professional wrestling” has always had more than its share of characters, and one of the more famous is Roddy Piper.

Well, Roddy showed up on …. Alex Jones’ radio program.

Yup really. Roddy is a Jones fan:

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I guess Roddy joins is old buddy Jesse Ventura in the one-too-many-headbutts crowd.

Not to mention the place where people take entertainment far too seriously. Esp from someone who only graduated from HS and has spent the last 20 yrs (his entire adulthood and he’s not even 40) pushing conspiracy theories.

Why the fuck would someone even listen to that shit? It’s almost a religious experience for them.

65 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:03:26am

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

Why the fuck would someone even listen to that shit? It’s almost a religious experience for them.

Yunno, I like the whole American approach of individualism and questioning the established authorities. But it has gone into a downward spiral that has become a celebration of ignorance, semi-literacy and complete clulessness about our history and how science works.

One that is is manipulated and financed by cynical bastards who know better but need an atmosphere of mass stoopid in order to advance their agenda.

66 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:07:05am

Add another criminal name to your roster.

Kim Dotcom stands down from Mega

france24.com

Another hacker who didn’t get past the HS level with a shady past on the internet—fraud, data espionage, insider trading, embezzlement and other shenanigans—which made him a multi-millionaire.

67 freetoken  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:21:42am

MP3 Audio

68 freetoken  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:25:50am

Carlos Montoya:

MP3 Audio

69 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:28:12am

re: #65 Sol Berdinowitz

Yunno, I like the whole American approach of individualism and questioning the established authorities. But it has gone into a downward spiral that has become a celebration of ignorance, semi-literacy and complete clulessness about our history and how science works.

One that is is manipulated and financed by cynical bastards who know better but need an atmosphere of mass stoopid in order to advance their agenda.

Can you imagine the screwed up minds that some are going to have in Texas where the State is doing massive revisionism to textbooks? As if it’s not already bad enough in education if Jones is any example.

Questioning established authorities is best done in an academic atmosphere, or at least with people who know what the hell they’re talking about, not some uneducated yahoo out to make a buck from the ignorance of others.

The Forer Effect spawns a lot of these frauds. Even famous hoaxer P.T. Barnum achieved respectability over time, serving 2 terms in the CT legislature.

70 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:40:11am

So, I guess this means that Russia is giving the Syrian govt assistance and materiel for this? Why else would they make such a statement?

Russia: Strike on Syria could mean nuke disaster

huffingtonpost.com

71 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:41:41am

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

Remember, it took the Reformation and an initiative on the part of the people to actually read the Bible for themselves to promote the spread of literacy: the powers that were had no interest in trying to control an educated populace.

And they are doing their damndest to keep that genie stuffed in the bottle.

72 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:55:19am

re: #71 Sol Berdinowitz

Remember, it took the Reformation and an initiative on the part of the people to actually read the Bible for themselves to promote the spread of literacy: the powers that were had no interest in trying to control an educated populace.

And they are doing their damndest to keep that genie stuffed in the bottle.

And sadly, in many respects we’ve become a lazy, narcissistic and greedy collection of individuals. That can only lead to another Dark Age if those types prevail. It seems a lot more like a dog-eat-dog society to me since the turn of the century, although it had been leading up to that for a couple of decades. And I don’t think most people really want to live that way, at least not the ones I talk to. All the material possessions in the world won’t help if a person doesn’t have a fairly decent understanding of ethical behavior.

73 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:05:14am

re: #72 Justanotherhuman

We are still sold on the notion that people who are richer than us got that way because they are somehow morally and ethically superior…it still lives on in the euphemisn “job creators” when we are often referring to nothing other than “greedy, unethical bastards”.

74 freetoken  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:40:48am

MP3 Audio

75 sagehen  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:48:12am

I’ve been off-line all day; did anybody already share this? If so… it bears repeating

76 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:02:54am

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

The situation in Texas is just what the Christian Dominionists want, a gradual but effective domination of education, politics and society in general (part of the Seven Mountain strategy). Judging from the kind of politicos coming from Texas lately, they seem to be winning.

77 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:58:06am

re: #63 freetoken

Too bad, liked Roddy.

78 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:10:54am

re: #55 Kragar

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The only insanity I see if Fisch’s dumbass thinking this is happening.

Didn’t AQ hate Saddam’s secular government? Didn’t they dislike him and want him deposed? Didn’t we attack and remove him just as AQ wanted with nothing more than flimsy, seemingly made up bullshit evidence? Didn’t we give them an avenue to get a foothold in Iraq? Fuck you Bryan.

79 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:24:55am

Oh my. WTF.

Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei says US is using a chemical attack in Syria as a pretext to interfere in the country, warns it will suffer - @Reuters

31 mins ago by editor

81 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:33:43am

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi

The situation in Texas is just what the Christian Dominionists want, a gradual but effective domination of education, politics and society in general (part of the Seven Mountain strategy). Judging from the kind of politicos coming from Texas lately, they seem to be winning.

Indeed. They’re doing the same in SC and working in other states as well.

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82 freetoken  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:45:24am

re: #80 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Artists are jailed all over the world:

Tunisia: Rappers Sentenced to Prison

A criminal court sentenced two Tunisian rappers to prison on August 30, 2013, for “insulting the police”. The sentences of a year and nine months in prison, which violate their right to free expression, are the latest in a string of similar prosecutions.

The First Instance Criminal Tribunal of Hammamet, a northern coastal city, convicted the two rappers, Alaa Eddine Yaakoubi, better known as Weld El 15 (“The 15-Year-Old Boy” in Tunisian Arabic), and Klay BBJ, of “insulting the police,” defamation of public officials, and harming public morals. The two were not notified of the trial in advance and were not in the courtroom.

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83 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:46:31am

re: #63 freetoken

That quintessential American sport entertainment known as “professional wrestling” has always had more than its share of characters, and one of the more famous is Roddy Piper.

Well, Roddy showed up on …. Alex Jones’ radio program.

Yup really. Roddy is a Jones fan:

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I guess Roddy joins is old buddy Jesse Ventura in the one-too-many-headbutts crowd.

Totally consistent. Talk radio is to thinking as WWE is to wrestling.

84 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:47:59am

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

Most of here regard people like Bryan Fischer and David Barton as liars, lunatics or idiots, but they are taken as messengers of truth among the faithful. They are part of the strategy — whether knowingly or not makes no difference — to control public discourse and education.

Christian Dominionism is more of a threat to American democracy and freedom than terrorism, Edward Snowden or Vladimir Putin, because the effect is so gradual that most will not realize things have changed until it is too late.

Ironically, the NT provides this warning: “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”

85 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:49:53am

re: #84 wheat-dogghazi

That was pretty close to my first comment on LGF. The answer then: “What theocracy?”

86 freetoken  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:51:20am

Gay rights groups seek anti-bias victory in Texas

Gay rights advocates and religious conservatives were expected Thursday to pack a City Council meeting for a vote on nondiscrimination protections that are already in place elsewhere in Texas but that have drawn rebuke from big-name Republicans.

The proposal would amend San Antonio’s nondiscrimination code to include sexual orientation and gender identity, and thereby add the nation’s seventh-largest city to a list of nearly 180 other U.S. cities with similar ordinances, according to the Human Rights Campaign.

[…]

“I consider this an attempt to impose a liberal value system over the objection of millions of Texans,” said Texas Agriculture Commissioner Todd Staples, who as a Republican state senator sponsored a constitutional amendment that defined marriage in Texas as between one man and one woman. “It actually discriminates against those with deeply held religious views by pushing this agenda to the extreme.”

Staples is running for lieutenant governor next year. One of his primary opponents, state Sen. Dan Patrick, said the ordinance “runs counter to the Holy Bible and the United States Constitution.” Cruz said he was encouraged to see “Texans standing up to defend their religious freedoms.”

[…]

87 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:57:11am

re: #84 wheat-dogghazi

What’s really shitty and stupid about this is that the assholes wanting a theocracy would never want to live in one. Oh they talk a good game, but when push comes to shove, the idea would end up being the rules applying to everyone but them. Just like now, only more bible-y. The country they envision would be such a miserable place to live they couldn’t stand it either, unless they were in charge.

It’s like the Saudi Royal family guys who go to strip clubs, drink, look at porn and most likely cheat on their wife(or wives). They’d have others executed for that shit, but when they do it it’s fine.

88 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:58:08am

re: #84 wheat-dogghazi

Most of here regard people like Bryan Fischer and David Barton as liars, lunatics or idiots, but they are taken as messengers of truth among the faithful. They are part of the strategy — whether knowingly or not makes no difference — to control public discourse and education.

Christian Dominionism is more of a threat to American democracy and freedom than terrorism, Edward Snowden or Vladimir Putin, because the effect is so gradual that most will not realize things have changed until it is too late.

Ironically, the NT provides this warning: “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”

I was exposed to that kind of religious thinking as a small child in the south. I still live among them as an atheist. For too many, it’s easier to be a passive receiver of dogma in church than an active pursuer of knowledge in school.

89 freetoken  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:01:40am

The NYT labels President Obama as “diminished”:

A diminished Obama heads to Russia for G-20 meeting

Note that the NYT has now changed the wording of the article to ” Questions of Policy and Leadership Dog Obama Before Meeting in Russia” though other outlets (e.g.) who have picked up the story continue with the original headline.

90 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:02:27am

re: #89 freetoken

The NYT labels President Obama as “diminished”:

A diminished Obama heads to Russia for G-20 meeting

Note that the NYT has now changed the wording of the article to ” Questions of Policy and Leadership Dog Obama Before Meeting in Russia” though other outlets (e.g.) who have picked up the story continue with the original headline.

The media continues to underestimate this President.

91 freetoken  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:04:20am

This will bring cries of doom from the usual crowd:

Obama OKs benefits for gay vets’ spouses

92 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:06:18am

re: #84 wheat-dogghazi

Ironically, the NT provides this warning: “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”

It also warns against the End Timers. “”But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”.

93 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:08:42am

re: #92 William Barnett-Lewis

It also warns against the End Timers. “”But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”.

The bible has maintained tremendous influence for 2000 years because it means precisely what you want it to mean.

94 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:09:43am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

The bible has maintained tremendous influence for 2000 years because it means precisely what you want it to mean.

Even as the fundamentalist swear up and down that nothing has ever changed in what it means…

95 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:11:41am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

The bible has maintained tremendous influence for 2000 years because it means precisely what you want it to mean.

I think that substituting faith for knowledge, dogma for curiosity, is one of the great tensions of the human race.

96 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:12:24am

re: #94 William Barnett-Lewis

Even as the fundamentalist swear up and down that nothing has ever changed in what it means…

Could get worse:

thewikibible.pbworks.com

97 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:20:46am

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Could get worse:

thewikibible.pbworks.com

Doc Burkhart: linkedin.com

Steeped in it: cbcag.edu

Academics
The classroom is central to the CBC experience. Whether you’re improving your writing skills in an English class or unraveling the gospel in Paul’s letters, every class at CBC will prepare you to succeed in life and ministry. Outside of class, you’ll get one-on-one attention from knowledgeable professors who genuinely care about your life.

98 freetoken  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:23:08am

The Chinese are still pushing for a mulit-regional model for human evolution:


Rare skull of fossil ape discovered

A six-million-year-old fossilized cranium of a juvenile ape has been unearthed in southwest China’s Yunnan Province, a rare find paleontologists hope may help unravel the mystery of human origins.

The remains is only the second recovered cranium belonging to a juvenile ape inhabiting Eurasia in the Miocene that dates back to 23 to 5 million years ago, Ji Xueping, a researcher who led the study, told a news conference on Thursday.

[…]

“The study shows the primate bears some features in common with humans. A significant example is that the width of its eye socket is longer than the height, just like us,” said Prof. Lu.

Although the new find suggests its connection with the first humans in terms of timing and morphology, Ji noted, “We still lack adequate fossil evidence to clarify its relationship with early hominins.”

The mainstream view is that human ancestors originated in Africa.

“In recent years [actually, several years ago], some scholars proposed the theory that Asia, rather than Africa, is the cradle of human ancestry based on a series of recent finds. Apparently there’s a lot more work ahead to explore such possibility,” said Prof. Lu.

[…]

In the late Miocene, the hot, humid climate as well as lush tropical and subtropical forests in today’s southwest China might provide an environment for human origins and evolution, said Ji. “Therefore, Yunnan is a possible site to unravel the mystery.”

[…]

You can read up on Lufengpithecus at the wikipedia entry:
en.wikipedia.org

99 freetoken  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:29:33am

Nothing quite like setting a goal for oneself:

Snooki reveals goals for ‘Dancing with the Stars’ - “I want a butt”

100 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:35:03am

re: #99 freetoken

Nothing quite like setting a goal for oneself:

Snooki reveals goals for ‘Dancing with the Stars’ - “I want a butt”

Youtube Video

101 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:36:57am

re: #98 freetoken

The Chinese would like to prove that hominids developed first in China, or at least contemporaneously with those in Africa. There are some non-scientific reasons behind the notions. One, it fosters China’s overwhelming pride in being Chinese (specifically, Han. Although historically speaking, the Mongols and Manchus had as much to do with the creation of modern China as the Han did, if not more so.) Second, the Chinese are, putting it bluntly, racist, especially toward Africans or anyone with darker skin —even fellow Chinese. Third, it compensates for what some perceive as a Chinese inferiority complex. Despite 5,000 years of cultural development, China still has yet to become top dog in the world, like the West did in a much shorter time, and China is still stinging from the Western domination of the 19th century and the Japanese occupation of the 20th. It would make every Chinese feel oh so much better if their scientists could show modern humans are in fact descendants of Chinese forebears.

102 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:38:54am

re: #101 wheat-dogghazi

The Chinese would like to prove that hominids developed first in China, or at least contemporaneously with those in Africa. There are some non-scientific reasons behind the notions. One, it fosters China’s overwhelming pride in being Chinese (specifically, Han. Although historically speaking, the Mongols and Manchus had as much to do with the creation of modern China as the Han did, if not more so.) Second, the Chinese are, putting it bluntly, racist, especially toward Africans or anyone with darker skin —even fellow Chinese. Third, it compensates for what some perceive as a Chinese inferiority complex. Despite 5,000 years of cultural development, China still has yet to become top dog in the world, like the West did in a much shorter time, and China is still stinging from the Western domination of the 19th century and the Japanese occupation of the 20th. It would make every Chinese feel oh so much better if their scientists could show modern humans are in fact descendants of Chinese forebears.

So they’re for real trying to do the Ensign Chekov “everything interesting was created in Russia” meme.

103 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:43:09am

U.S. planned layoffs jump in August: Challenger

reuters.com

“Industrial goods manufacturers saw the biggest layoffs, cutting 22,162 employees, the largest total for the sector since January 2009.

“Heavy job cuts in the industrial goods sector are never a good thing, as they can be indicative of widening cracks in the economy’s foundation,” said John A. Challenger, chief executive officer of Challenger, Gray & Christmas.

“However, the August surge in industrial goods job cuts was driven largely by falling global demand for mining equipment,” he said.

“The computer sector came in second, letting 4,663 workers go.”

104 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:43:47am

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

Indeed. They’re doing the same in SC and working in other states as well.

Image: 7mtnfamilyfoundation.jpg

Looks the same as any theocracy. I fail to see the difference between the Seven Mountains strategy and Shari’a governance. Well, aside from scary Muslims, of course.

Yeah, I know.

WHY DO I HATE AMERICA?

//

105 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:45:24am

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

I was exposed to that kind of religious thinking as a small child in the south. I still live among them as an atheist. For too many, it’s easier to be a passive receiver of dogma in church than an active pursuer of knowledge in school.

I would offer an alternative explanation, based on my experience here teaching in China. Dogma, or traditional belief systems, kill any sort of ambition or curiosity in the young. It narrows their horizons and tells them, “You can only think this and you can only do that. It has always been this way, and it always will be.” My college English majors seems to have only two career goals: be a teacher (especially for girls) or work in foreign trade. A few realize they can become entrepreneurs or find other lines of work. No matter what, parents put a lot of pressure on both boys and girls to find a mate, get married, live close to home and produce kids. There is a growing trend of women finding fulfillment and success in their careers, which is still considered scandalous by the more traditional minded here.

Seriously, I see a lot of parallels between traditional Chinese culture and the kind of world conservative Christians espouse.

106 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:47:59am

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Could get worse:

thewikibible.pbworks.com

Oh, thrill. Let’s pretend we’re not telling you exactly what you have to think in order to be our kind of orthodox. Feh.

I really wish Christianity had taken up the kind of scriptural studies that Judaism encourages.

107 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:51:22am

re: #101 wheat-dogghazi

I don’t have an ape in that fight.

108 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:52:35am

re: #101 wheat-dogghazi

Yep. I’ve also run into similar stuff from Japanese individuals. The best one explained to me that Culture first arose in the Japanese islands, then went to China via Korea (which is why they deserve to control both) and that an unexplained “dark age” is the only reason Chinese culture appears to be older. Yes, he was telling me this with a straight face. Since he was buying the sake (and the good stuff at that) I just said “Uh, huh?” and “Fascinating.”.

109 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:59:12am

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi

“That growing trend of women finding fulfillment and success in their careers is still considered scandalous by the more traditional minded here.”

Yes, that. And it’s buttressed by religion here. It’s OK to have a “job” but putting a career, or even preparations for a career, before marriage and kids is seen as almost criminal. Fine for men, not for women. It’s backwards thinking in its entirety. I mean, how many “house husbands” can you count at any stage of a child’s development?

Even my g-son, otherwise a product of his generation, who has custody of his 3 yr old, is dependent upon me for the raising of my g-g-son and only takes a truly “active” part in his discipline and play. All domesticity is in my hands. I don’t mind doing it because I love both of them dearly, but it’s still gender-specific.

110 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:11:03am

re: #109 Justanotherhuman

. I mean, how many “house husbands” can you count at any stage of a child’s development?

Me.

I was laid off when my son was about 2 and I’ve been a stay-at-home dad almost the whole time since (9 years now). It’s been a difficult transition sometimes as my wife (who as an RN can bring in much more income than I can) and I sometimes struggle with and sometimes laugh at our gender reversals.

Especially when I’m bitching at her about her just leaving her socks lay on the floor after she gets home from work … O_o

111 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:13:37am

re: #108 William Barnett-Lewis

Yep. I’ve also run into similar stuff from Japanese individuals. The best one explained to me that Culture first arose in the Japanese islands, then went to China via Korea (which is why they deserve to control both) and that an unexplained “dark age” is the only reason Chinese culture appears to be older. Yes, he was telling me this with a straight face. Since he was buying the sake (and the good stuff at that) I just said “Uh, huh?” and “Fascinating.”.

I ran across Japanese nationalism in various history readings on WW2 and events leading up to it. John Toland’s _The Rising Sun_ was of particular interest since it was essentially an attempt to go through these events from a Japanese perspective. One term he brought up was “hakko ichiu” - which could be viewed as a term for the unity of man, but instead essentially became a sort of “manifest destiny” for Japanese domination of Asia.

en.wikipedia.org

112 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:19:07am

re: #110 William Barnett-Lewis

Me.

I was laid off when my son was about 2 and I’ve been a stay-at-home dad almost the whole time since (9 years now). It’s been a difficult transition sometimes as my wife (who as an RN can bring in much more income than I can) and I sometimes struggle with and sometimes laugh at our gender reversals.

Especially when I’m bitching at her about her just leaving her socks lay on the floor after she gets home from work … O_o

Good for you! You are pretty much a rarity, though. And you’re being a good example for your son, whether you think of it in that way or not.

I’ll bet you’ve given it a lot of thought during the process. Pioneers always have it the hardest, until a practice becomes normative.

113 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:24:35am

Where’s Dr. Lizardo? Have you heard about this?

Human Skulls Found On Streets Of Prague
Police are investigating after the discovery of 16 numbered human skulls in a wooden box and dustbin in the Czech capital.

news.sky.com

114 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:28:21am

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

Where’s Dr. Lizardo? Have you heard about this?

Human Skulls Found On Streets Of Prague
Police are investigating after the discovery of 16 numbered human skulls in a wooden box and dustbin in the Czech capital.

news.sky.com

Was wondering where I left those…

115 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:29:41am

re: #110 William Barnett-Lewis

Me.

I was laid off when my son was about 2 and I’ve been a stay-at-home dad almost the whole time since (9 years now). It’s been a difficult transition sometimes as my wife (who as an RN can bring in much more income than I can) and I sometimes struggle with and sometimes laugh at our gender reversals.

Especially when I’m bitching at her about her just leaving her socks lay on the floor after she gets home from work … O_o

You should totally leave the toilet seat up.

116 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:30:58am

Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP 28m

BREAKING: Brazil cancels preparations for Rousseff US trip

GG gleeful.

117 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:34:46am

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

Where’s Dr. Lizardo? Have you heard about this?

Human Skulls Found On Streets Of Prague
Police are investigating after the discovery of 16 numbered human skulls in a wooden box and dustbin in the Czech capital.

news.sky.com

I find this stuff more disturbing than that.

worldnews.nbcnews.com

Numbered skulls in a dustbin might just be a doctor or medical school dumping some old examination samples.

118 Political Atheist  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:40:51am

re: #117 Feline Fearless Leader

I find this stuff more disturbing than that.

worldnews.nbcnews.com

Numbered skulls in a dustbin might just be a doctor or medical school dumping some old examination samples.

Mom always said try to get ahead in life.

119 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:41:47am

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

Where’s Dr. Lizardo? Have you heard about this?

Human Skulls Found On Streets Of Prague
Police are investigating after the discovery of 16 numbered human skulls in a wooden box and dustbin in the Czech capital.

news.sky.com

Weird. Numbered skulls means they may have been part of some collection at one time. Perhaps discards from a museum that someone picked up a long time ago, and now they’ve been thrown away.

Either that, or a truly methodical and pedantic serial killer.

120 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:43:26am

re: #117 Feline Fearless Leader

I find this stuff more disturbing than that.

worldnews.nbcnews.com

Numbered skulls in a dustbin might just be a doctor or medical school dumping some old examination samples.

Anti-immigration racists: facebook.com

And this: facebook.com

121 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:43:42am
122 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:45:10am

re: #119 Dr Lizardo

Weird. Numbered skulls means they may have been part of some collection at one time. Perhaps discards from a museum that someone picked up a long time ago, and now they’ve been thrown away.

Either that, or a truly methodical and pedantic serial killer.

Well, The Count died. Maybe someone got around to going through his things.
// ;p

123 Political Atheist  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:47:05am

re: #121 darthstar

Just making sure that ring stays on his finger. Vlad has a bad habit.

124 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:47:06am

Look at Putin next to Obama. No wonder he’s always photographed shirtless doing something manly. He’s got little-guy complex.

125 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:48:22am

re: #122 Feline Fearless Leader

Well, The Count died. Maybe someone got around to going through his things.
// ;p

Heh.

There was a Museum of Torture in downtown Prague at one time; I’d heard that it closed sometime in 2009. They may have come from there - I recall they did have human skulls on display at one point back in 2003.

126 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:49:35am

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

Anti-immigration racists: facebook.com

And this: facebook.com

Stormfrontish neo-fascists, more overt than Lega Nord.

127 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:50:46am

Meet Hemiscyllium Halmahera - a new species of shark found in Indonesia - casually walking across the sea floor.

Vimeo

theverge.com

128 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:51:12am

re: #125 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

There was a Museum of Torture in downtown Prague at one time; I’d heard that it closed sometime in 2009. They may have come from there - I recall they did have human skulls on display at one point back in 2003.

Europe has more skulls than storage capacity. In Italy families rent cemetery space.

129 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:54:22am

re: #128 Decatur Deb

Europe has more skulls than storage capacity. In Italy families rent cemetery space.

Very true.

130 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:58:03am

re: #9 blueraven

Oh brother

The Five’s Eric Bolling Holds Up ‘Bloody’ Hand to Protest War in Syria

Conservatives are repulsive in their hypocrisy. Fucking scumbags were beating the war drums over lies. Yet the truth is staring at them right in the face and they still lie. They are anti-american.

131 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:59:01am

re: #129 Dr Lizardo

Very true.

Of course, neatness and originality can relieve the problem:

Image: 7.-paths-of-the-dead.jpg

132 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:59:24am

re: #130 Amory Blaine

“We should be very selective on how and when we shed blood-ours or theirs. American patriots shed blood to protect our families, our country, our way of life. There’s no reason to shed blood, ours or theirs, for a civil war between two radical Muslim groups who frankly hate us. So we should be careful before we shed any more blood-ours or theirs. This is not our war. We need to stay out of the Middle East.”

This entire statement is a lie.

133 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:05:27am

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Of course, neatness and originality can relieve the problem:

Image: 7.-paths-of-the-dead.jpg

The Czechs would agree.

Image: sedlec-ossuary-03-augustus-2007-14u29.jpg

Image: sedlec-ossuary-03-augustus-2007-14u42.jpg

Image: SedlecChandelier.jpg

Sedlec Ossuary: Kutná Hora, Czech Republic.

134 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:06:14am

re: #108 William Barnett-Lewis

Yep. I’ve also run into similar stuff from Japanese individuals. The best one explained to me that Culture first arose in the Japanese islands, then went to China via Korea (which is why they deserve to control both) and that an unexplained “dark age” is the only reason Chinese culture appears to be older. Yes, he was telling me this with a straight face. Since he was buying the sake (and the good stuff at that) I just said “Uh, huh?” and “Fascinating.”.

Yeah. Japanese and Chinese nationalists are as rabid as any Bircher/white supremacist in the USA. While most historians argue convincingly that Chinese culture was exported to Japan and Korea, some Japanese insist it was the other way around. The Chinese Han gloss over the contributions that Mongol and Manchu invaders made to the Chinese civilization, because those contributions detract from a sense of Han superiority. The Han sense of superiority is one reason why they want to squelch minority culture and self-rule, such as in Tibet and Xinjiang. There are also political reasons, to be sure.

135 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:09:01am

re: #132 Amory Blaine

We should be very selective on how and when we shed blood-ours or theirs.

The qualifier “very” selective implies careful selection. As we carefully invaded a country based on lies.

American patriots shed blood to protect our families, our country, our way of life.

We were not protecting our way of life by invading Iraq. Had we not invaded Iraq Bolling would still be free to express himself as an asshole.

There’s no reason to shed blood, ours or theirs, for a civil war between two radical Muslim groups who frankly hate us.

This is the biggest lie. Punishment for the use of chemical weapons is not shedding blood for a civil war.

So we should be careful before we shed any more blood-ours or theirs.

Reference Iraq.

This is not our war.

Punishment for the use of chemical weapons is not shedding blood for a civil war.

We need to stay out of the Middle East.

Bald faced hypocrisy.

136 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:09:03am

re: #133 Dr Lizardo

The Czechs would agree.

Image: sedlec-ossuary-03-augustus-2007-14u29.jpg

Image: sedlec-ossuary-03-augustus-2007-14u42.jpg

Image: SedlecChandelier.jpg

Sedlec Ossuary: Kutna Horá, Czech Republic.

Impressive, looks like Hannibal Lechter’s summer camp crafts project. The frescoes in my grade-school chapel had a good bit of ‘memento mori’.

137 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:13:14am

re: #134 wheat-dogghazi

Yeah. Japanese and Chinese nationalists are as rabid as any Bircher/white supremacist in the USA. While most historians argue convincingly that Chinese culture was exported to Japan and Korea, some Japanese insist it was the other way around. The Chinese Han gloss over the contributions that Mongol and Manchu invaders made to the Chinese civilization, because those contributions detract from a sense of Han superiority. The Han sense of superiority is one reason why they want to squelch minority culture and self-rule, such as in Tibet and Xinjiang. There are also political reasons, to be sure.

I saw some of this in Malaysia when I visited a few years back. The Chinese-descent (mostly Han, mostly non-Muslim) is a discriminated against minority, but also has a load of cultural baggage regarding the superiority of their culture, religion, and cooking. I even picked up on the use of the term “monkeys wearing wrist watches” as a coded reference for the cultural Malays, mainly the rural ones. (Similar to the oh-so-clever use of “Canadians” to refer to blacks that I have also encountered.)

138 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:13:48am

re: #136 Decatur Deb

Impressive, looks like Hannibal Lechter’s summer camp crafts project. The frescoes in my grade-school chapel had a good bit of ‘memento mori’.

Heh. The Schwarzenberg coat of arms made from bones is impressive as well; it’s also found in the Ossuary.

Image: Kostnice03.jpg

139 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:14:26am

re: #134 wheat-dogghazi

Yeah. Japanese and Chinese nationalists are as rabid as any Bircher/white supremacist in the USA. While most historians argue convincingly that Chinese culture was exported to Japan and Korea, some Japanese insist it was the other way around. The Chinese Han gloss over the contributions that Mongol and Manchu invaders made to the Chinese civilization, because those contributions detract from a sense of Han superiority. The Han sense of superiority is one reason why they want to squelch minority culture and self-rule, such as in Tibet and Xinjiang. There are also political reasons, to be sure.

The Koreans have a much saner attitude—they explicitly see themselves as ‘Little Brothers’ to China. (There are a few points of pride from the past—invention of a phonetic alphabet, armored warships.) They are more proud, justly, of how they pulled themselves out of the muck of the 1950s.

One expert, however, does insist they invented pizza—no mention of pineapple.

140 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:15:11am

re: #138 Dr Lizardo

Heh. The Schwarzenberg coat of arms made from bones is impressive as well; it’s also found in the Ossuary.

Image: Kostnice03.jpg

All coats of arms should be made of bones.

141 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:15:44am

Arm bones especially.

142 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:19:12am

re: #140 Decatur Deb

All coats of arms should be made of bones.

The Ossuary contains tens of thousands skeletons, mostly victims of the Black Death and the Hussite Wars.

It was a young woodcarver named František Rint who put the bones in the unique order that we see them today in the 1870s.

143 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:20:17am

re: #142 Dr Lizardo

The medium is the messenger.

144 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:20:49am

Eric Bolling with his ivy league education on display.

Youtube Video

145 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:21:06am

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Kimchee pizza. I am sure it exists somewhere.

146 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:22:15am

re: #145 wheat-dogghazi

Kimchee pizza. I am sure it exists somewhere.

Image: Kimchi,+Bacon+and+Shiitake+Mushroom+Pizza+1+500.jpg

147 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:24:08am

re: #143 Decatur Deb

The medium is the messenger.

Indeed. I once took a young American, newly-minted TEFL teacher there, along with my ex-wife. This young lass was from Missouri, and the Czech Republic was her first trip out of the United States.

She was both creeped out and utterly fascinated when she saw that. She was talking about “Dracula’s Church” to everyone.

148 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:24:12am

Bolling claimed Iraq didn’t invade Kuwait but merely had troops lined at the border. How fucking stupid do you have to be to be kicked off of a news show?

149 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:25:58am

re: #137 Feline Fearless Leader

Well, cultural Malays have darker skin, so that’s probably explains some of the prejudice. Upper class Chinese look down on darker skinned Chinese, especially if they are “peasants” from the countryside.

China is now investing heavily in Africa and the Pacific region, for strategic reasons. But I wonder if some impetus comes from a desire to “take up the Chinese man’s burden,” to paraphrase Kipling, and Sinocize those poor benighted countries.

150 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:26:16am
151 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:26:30am

BONES!

152 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:26:31am

re: #147 Dr Lizardo

Indeed. I once took a young American, newly-minted TEFL teacher there, along with my ex-wife. This young lass was from Missouri, and the Czech Republic was her first trip out of the United States.

She was both creeped out and utterly fascinated when she saw that. She was talking about “Dracula’s Church” to everyone.

Went through a bunch of Italian WWI ossuaries in my 40s. There’s no way to maintain hip ironic detachment.

153 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:26:47am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

Bacon makes it all OK.

154 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:27:45am
155 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:28:48am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

Needs more pineapple.

:p

156 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:30:46am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

Went through a bunch of Italian WWI ossuaries in my 40s. There’s no way to maintain hip ironic detachment.

Saw a memorial at St Cyr once upon a time. It listed the graduates of the academy that had fallen for France in various wars. Two lines shocked me to my core:

The Class of 1914
The Class of 1915

WWI was far more devastating to France than most Americans realize.

157 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:31:08am

re: #132 Amory Blaine

“We should stay out of the middle east.” Until the blackity black black Democrat is out of there and the natural order of things brings White Republican Jesus back to the White House and both houses of Congress.

What an obnoxious buffoon.

158 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:31:15am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

Went through a bunch of Italian WWI ossuaries in my 40s. There’s no way to maintain hip ironic detachment.

I agree.

When she first took all that in, she was real quiet for a few minutes, and then asked the ex, “Are those real? Like, real human bones?” to which the ex replied, “Yes. Tens of thousands of them.”

She didn’t say a word for about 10 minutes, and this young lady was pretty chatty - I’d never heard her so quiet for so long. Her eyes were the size of dinner plates.

159 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:32:30am

re: #155 Amory Blaine

A local bake shop here offers a “pizza,” which includes some kind of processed cheese, sausage, ham, peppers, onions, and yes, pineapple. It’s lacking in the tomato department. I buy one occasionally, but calling it a pizza is a real stretch of the terminology.

160 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:33:55am
161 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:35:13am

Cops have guns so stop the phony tears over criminals with guns.

162 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:36:07am

re: #156 William Barnett-Lewis

Saw a memorial at St Cyr once upon a time. It listed the graduates of the academy that had fallen for France in various wars. Two lines shocked me to my core:

The Class of 1914
The Class of 1915

WWI was far more devastating to France than most Americans realize.

If you extrapolate the French casualties suffered the German invasion of WW2, you’ll find that when run out over a period of four years, presuming the same kind of war as WW1, the French would’ve suffered casualties as great, if not greater, than they experienced in the First World War.

I personally have little doubt that someone in the French military in the early part of the WW2 German invasion did something similar, and this factor played a role in France’s quick capitulation at that time.

They simply couldn’t afford those kind of losses anymore.

163 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:36:21am

Apparently the Saudis are dropping cluster bombs on their civilian population.

164 erik_t  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:37:09am

re: #163 Gus

Apparently the Saudis are dropping cluster bombs on their civilian population.

Well, that hypothetical event actually would not shock me.

165 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:37:16am

re: #163 Gus

You forgot the poison gas attacks.
//

166 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:38:10am

re: #90 Justanotherhuman

The media continues to underestimate this President.

QFT.
Snappy headlines require no critical thinking.

167 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:38:10am

The USA has nuclear weapons therefore your argument is invalid.

168 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:38:33am

re: #160 Gus

[Embedded content]

Wasn’t aware those were sarin cluster bombs or whatever the hell they used against that school…
Fuck off, Mikey.

169 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:39:34am

re: #168 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Wasn’t aware those were sarin cluster bombs or whatever the hell they used against that school…
Fuck off, Mikey.

Cops have tear gas therefore your argument is invalid!

//

170 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:41:04am

re: #82 freetoken

Artists are jailed all over the world:

Tunisia: Rappers Sentenced to Prison

If MTV gave 2 fucks about music and advocacy for freedom of expression they would make it a priority to explain these situations say during their award show. No love for Pussy Riot. No love for Tunisian rappers. No love period. Vapid displays of corporate fornication and commercialism.

171 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:41:26am

Alright dudebros, you’re against any action against Syria.
Fine.
JUST STOP FUCKING LYING ABOUT WHY YOU ARE AGAINST IT!

172 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:41:51am

re: #156 William Barnett-Lewis

Saw a memorial at St Cyr once upon a time. It listed the graduates of the academy that had fallen for France in various wars. Two lines shocked me to my core:

The Class of 1914
The Class of 1915

WWI was far more devastating to France than most Americans realize.

The University of Mississippi maintained a rifle company called the “University Greys”, composed of students and professors. They fought in some of the toughest battles. Took 100% casualties at Gettysburg.

173 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:42:19am

re: #171 Pavlovian Hive Mind

This applies to no one here.
;)

174 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:42:53am

re: #160 Gus

so somehow a conventional weapons sale to a middle eastern “ally/trading partner” is somehow supposed to negate any outrage over the use of chemical weapons? And the two countries aren’t the same, just have a regional affilliation….

175 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:43:43am

re: #174 piratedan

so somehow a conventional weapons sale to a middle eastern “ally/trading partner” is somehow supposed to negate any outrage over the use of chemical weapons? And the two countries aren’t the same, just have a regional affilliation….

It doesn’t have to have logic

it’s Michael Moore!!

176 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:45:34am

re: #171 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Alright dudebros, you’re against any action against Syria.
Fine.
JUST STOP FUCKING LYING ABOUT WHY YOU ARE AGAINST IT!

12,525 children and teens have been shot since Newtown, therefore, your argument is invalid!!!!!!

177 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:48:00am

You know, if diplomats were limited to communication by tweets, we’d all be in a terrible mess. Twitter is not a suitable venue for any sort of serious debate.

178 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:48:47am

Guy Fawkes mask peeps are… My brain hurts.

179 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:49:19am

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi

Twitter is not a suitable venue for any sort of serious debate.

Unless you’re a wingnut, then a 140 character message is 85 characters too many.

180 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:49:46am

re: #150 Gus

The GOP has always been the peace party. We have always been at war with Eurasia Eastasia.

181 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:49:46am

re: #178 Gus

A key part of the dudebro uniform.

182 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:49:54am

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi

You know, if diplomats were limited to communication by tweets, we’d all be in a terrible mess. Twitter is not a suitable venue for any sort of serious debate.

HULK SMASH!

183 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:50:49am

BENGHAZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111!!!!!!!!!!TYTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTYYYYYYYY

yep it fits.

184 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:50:57am

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi

You know, if diplomats were limited to communication by tweets, we’d all be in a terrible mess. Twitter is not a suitable venue for any sort of serious debate.

Someone should start doing Otto von Bismarck diplomacy by tweet.

185 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:51:09am

re: #171 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Alright dudebros, you’re against any action against Syria.
Fine.
JUST STOP FUCKING LYING ABOUT WHY YOU ARE AGAINST IT!

I wonder how many of their number would have to suffer rape, torture, gassing, murder, etc. before the moonbat/dudebro contingent would start screaming for help from anyone, regardless of their imperfections?

186 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:52:45am

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi

Twitter is good for communication in emergency situations, kind of and that’s pretty much it. Which is why I avoid it like the plague. It’s also why I can’t follow some conversations that reference stuff said on Twitter unless the tweet is included in the actual conversation online. I want to talk with and to people in depth, not in little pieces parts, it’s annoying and opens even more paths for people to argue with and insult each other. We need help to be even bigger jerks? Ack.

Though Charles and some other folks here do share cool photos and stuff they find on twitter, but I’ll still take a pass on it.

187 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:53:11am

re: #185 CuriousLurker

I wonder how many of their numbers would have to suffer rape, torture, gassing, murder, etc. before the moonbat/dudebro contingent would start screaming for help from anyone, regardless of their imperfections?

No need to wonder

EXAMPLE,,,pepper sprayed protesters!!

188 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:53:13am

#SpyRules

189 bratwurst  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:53:36am
190 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:53:53am

re: #185 CuriousLurker

I wonder how many of their numbers would have to suffer rape, torture, gassing, murder, etc. before the moonbat/dudebro contingent would start screaming for help from anyone, regardless of their imperfections?

What bothers me so much is the lies they have to tell themselves.
“Obama is lying about chem weapons!”
“The rebels used chem weapons!”
“It’s about oil!”
“AIPAC!!!”

Why can’t they just admit that they don’t care that chem weapons were used? Why so hard???
/Rageface

191 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:56:03am

It would reveal that they have no humanity.

192 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:00:08am

nytimes.com

The prisoners, seven in all, were captured Syrian soldiers. Five were trussed, their backs marked with red welts. They kept their faces pressed to the dirt as the rebels’ commander recited a bitter revolutionary verse.

“For fifty years, they are companions to corruption,” he said. “We swear to the Lord of the Throne, that this is our oath: We will take revenge.”

The moment the poem ended, the commander, known as “the Uncle,” fired a bullet into the back of the first prisoner’s head. His gunmen followed suit, promptly killing all the men at their feet.

This scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow.

…

Mr. Issa’s father was opposed to President Hafez al-Assad, the father of Syria’s current president. He disappeared in 1982, according to Mr. Issa’s accounts.

Mr. Issa, the aide said, believes his father was killed during a 27-day government crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood that year, known as the Hama massacre.

By the time he was a young man, Mr. Issa was vocally antigovernment and was arrested and imprisoned twice for a total of nine months, the aide said.

…

This sentiment may have driven Mr. Issa’s decision to execute his prisoners in the video, his former aide said. The soldiers had been captured when Mr. Issa’s fighters overran a government checkpoint north of Idlib in March.

Their cellphones, the former aide said, had videos of soldiers raping Syrian civilians and looting.

Mr. Issa declared them all criminals, he said, and a revolutionary trial was held. They were found guilty.

Mr. Issa, the former aide said, then arranged for their execution to be videotaped in April so he could show his work against Mr. Assad and his military to donors, and seek more financing.

The video ends abruptly after his fighters dump the soldiers’ broken bodies into a well.

This is an interesting and horrific economic point, because the extremists performing these atrocities are likely to reduce the amount of aid to the rebels in general, not just to the extremists. So, the Islamists gain and the more secular groups lose by the same action of the Islamists, and the more secular groups have no actual way of preventing them from doing this.

193 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:00:19am

re: #186 A Mom Anon

The 140-character limit comes from the SMS character limit set by cellphone carriers ages ago. It’s really outdated now, considering most smartphones now have Twitter apps. It’s like the 8+3 filename restriction that Microsoft required long after it was no longer necessary. Why does Twitter insist on keeping the 140-character limit anymore?

194 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:04:21am

re: #193 wheat-dogghazi

Why does Twitter insist on keeping the 140-character limit anymore?

To be old skool.

195 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:05:26am

re: #191 Amory Blaine

It would reveal that they have no humanity.

Or just full of crap.

196 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:05:29am

re: #192 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Do you mean that the extremists will absorb most of the aid or that there will be less aid given because of the extremists?

197 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:06:34am

I’m still in my 30’s.
Is that too young to say : get off my lawn?

198 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:07:54am

re: #196 Amory Blaine

Do you mean that the extremists will absorb most of the aid or that there will be less aid given because of the extremists?

I think it’s that the extremists will get more aid from the pro-extremists (presumably some group in the Emirates or S.A.) and the non-extremist groups will get less aid since the secular contributors will be repelled.

199 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:08:13am

re: #197 OhNoZombies!

I’m still in my 30’s.
Is that too young to say : get off my lawn?

I’m 29 and I say that.
Now, GET OFF MY LAWN!

200 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:08:18am

“Harmless pesticide” as they tweet that with a straight face:

201 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:09:31am

re: #199 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I’m 29 and I say that.
Now, GET OFF MY LAWN!

It’s conditional at your age. If your friend is passed out drunk on your lawn, then it is unacceptable.
//

202 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:12:11am

re: #190 Pavlovian Hive Mind

What bothers me so much is the lies they have to tell themselves.
“Obama is lying about chem weapons!”
“The rebels used chem weapons!”
“It’s about oil!”
“AIPAC!!!”

Why can’t they just admit that they don’t care that chem weapons were used? Why so hard???
/Rageface

re: #191 Amory Blaine

It would reveal that they have no humanity.

I don’t care that 1400 of 100,000 Syrian men women and children were killed by poison gas. I care very much that they were killed at all. The cause of death is technological trivia. Most of all, I care that the next group of Syrian children not be killed by a USAF Hellfire.

203 Bubblehead II  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:17:33am

re: #200 Dr. Matt

“Harmless pesticide” as they tweet that with a straight face:

[Embedded content]

In comparison with other pesticides, it is.

Paladin

Liquid, vapor or mist: May cause eye irritation. May cause irritation of respiratory tract. Objectionable odor may cause
nausea, headache or dizziness. Prolonged or repeated skin contact may cause: dermatitis, redness, rash, severe
irritation, scabs, (severity of effects depends on extent of exposure).
Skin:
No more than slightly toxic. Slightly irritating. (based on components)
Inhalation:
Practically nontoxic. Slightly to moderately irritating. (based on components)
Eyes:
Slightly irritating. (based on components)
Ingestion:
Moderately toxic. (based on components)

204 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:19:30am

MSNBC host…

205 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:19:42am

re: #202 Decatur Deb

And I respect that.

206 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:19:53am

re: #203 Bubblehead II

In comparison with other pesticides, it is.

Paladin

Liquid, vapor or mist: May cause eye irritation. May cause irritation of respiratory tract. Objectionable odor may cause
nausea, headache or dizziness. Prolonged or repeated skin contact may cause: dermatitis, redness, rash, severe
irritation, scabs, (severity of effects depends on extent of exposure).
Skin:
No more than slightly toxic. Slightly irritating. (based on components)
Inhalation:
Practically nontoxic. Slightly to moderately irritating. (based on components)
Eyes:
Slightly irritating. (based on components)
Ingestion:
Moderately toxic. (based on components)

WARNING!
KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN
FLAMMABLE LIQUID AND VAPOR.
MAY BE HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED.
HARMFUL IF INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN.
CAUSES SLIGHT EYE IRRITATION.

Thanks for providing the link to prove that’s not “harmless”.

207 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:20:40am

re: #202 Decatur Deb

I’m not saying that people who are opposed to action in Syria have no humanity, only those who would lie to avoid the reality.The fallout from Iraq has hurt our ability to respond. Iraq was based on WMDs that didn’t exist then we said we cared about attacks against Iraqi people. Here we have a clear case of WMDs being used and an attack on civilian populations yet the public outcry for international justice is muted.

208 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:22:16am

Damn allergies…

209 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:22:24am

re: #206 Dr. Matt

WARNING!
KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN
FLAMMABLE LIQUID AND VAPOR.
MAY BE HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED.
HARMFUL IF INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN.
CAUSES SLIGHT EYE IRRITATION.

Thanks for providing the link to prove that’s not “harmless”.

And that’s essentially just the handling for the dimethyl-sulfide carrier (C2 H6 S2). Note there is 1.2% “Proprietary” chemical they do not actually identify beyond it being an OSHA hazardous chemical. Good odds that it’s more complex and quite likely pretty nasty - especially to arthropods.

210 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:22:46am

re: #196 Amory Blaine

Do you mean that the extremists will absorb most of the aid or that there will be less aid given because of the extremists?

I mean there will be less aid because of the extremists, and that aid that is given will be complicated by having to closely look at the groups who are getting the money.

211 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:22:52am

re: #208 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Damn allergies…

Ragweed. We hatessss it!

212 Bubblehead II  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:24:49am

re: #206 Dr. Matt

WARNING!
KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN
FLAMMABLE LIQUID AND VAPOR.
MAY BE HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED.
HARMFUL IF INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN.
CAUSES SLIGHT EYE IRRITATION.

Thanks for providing the link to prove that’s not “harmless”.

Please note that I said,

In comparison with other pesticides, it is.

There are pesticides out there that are way more dangerous than this stuff

213 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:26:13am

re: #193 wheat-dogghazi

Eh, if they made it longer then it would just be a blog,lol. I think the idea is to make it brief, quick and on the fly. Which doesn’t facilitate much communication but does feed a lot of stupidity and vanity.

214 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:28:21am

And an item for the global warming crowd. Talked the other day to a guy who worked support services for one of the SUNY universities - and also is interested in insects and such. It’s now staying warm enough long enough that Asiatic “tiger” mosquitoes are surviving and have ranged into western NYS. And they’re not a kind that mainly bites at dusk, they come out and bite during the day. So no relatively bug-free afternoons any more.

Plus they can carry 20 or so various diseases.

215 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:28:28am

re: #213 A Mom Anon

Eh, if they made it longer then it would just be a blog,lol. I think the idea is to make it brief, quick and on the fly. Which doesn’t facilitate much communication but does feed a lot of stupidity and vanity.

Let’s upload 450 selfies to tweeter!!! I like the black and white somber ones with a lock of hair covering one eye.

216 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:30:46am
217 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:33:12am

re: #215 Amory Blaine

Seriously, we already have Facebook for that crap. I hope some of this nonsense runs its course soon, people really need to begin looking each other in the face again and actually talking instead of hurling insults and yelling at each other online. Honest to god, I have friends who will not pick up a phone and just call me, they have to text me or send me a Facebook message. And then wonder why I don’t get back to them right away. And we’re little “old” ladies, 50 to 65. It’s really annoying.

218 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:34:17am

2010

Crews battle deadly virus with pesticide in Hillsborough County

BRANDON —

Hillsborough County workers are fighting Eastern equine encephalitis, after tests confirmed a Brandon-area infant died from the virus.

According to the health department, the baby contracted the virus from a mosquito.

It is the second Eastern equine encephalitis-related death in the county this month.

219 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:35:20am

STOP MONSANTO SPRAYING OF PESTICIDES NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

220 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:36:47am

re: #149 wheat-dogghazi

Something tells me that it won’t work, especially in Southeast Asia.

After today’s little incident in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood needs to be banned.

221 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:37:42am

re: #219 Gus

STOP MONSANTO SPRAYING OF PESTICIDES NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BRING BACK MALARIA!!!
/

222 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:38:09am

re: #217 A Mom Anon

I have a family member, one of my “out laws,” who lives on Facebook and gives everyone an hour-by-hour update on her day. “Time for a walk.” “Just made lunch for Tom.” “Glad all my church friends are doing well.” “Boy, i am really tired.” Stuff like that. Harmless, but tiresome.

223 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:39:30am

I ♥ paraquat.

224 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:40:17am

re: #221 sattv4u2

BRING BACK MALARIA!!!
/

Careful. You’ll be accused of supporting DDT.

225 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:42:03am

Unicorn pest control.

226 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:43:05am

re: #223 Amory Blaine

I ♥ paraquat.

Agent Orange or STFU.

227 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:47:53am

re: #219 Gus

STOP MONSANTO SPRAYING OF PESTICIDES NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Overly broad usage of pesticides actually reduces their efficacy for vector control. This is why agricultural usage of DDT was banned, so that that potent weapon could be reserved for usage on disease-carrying populations.

228 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:48:58am

Here’s some European far-right lunacy to make Republicans seem almost normal again:

Fake blood-covered mannequins: Italy’s 1st black minister is targeted again

229 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:50:19am
Kyenge has faced almost daily racial slurs and threats since joining the government.

In July, a senator from the anti-immigration Northern League party likened her to an orangutan and a spectator threw bananas at her while she was making a speech at a political rally in central Italy.

A local Northern League politician said in June that Kyenge should be raped so she understands how victims of crimes committed by immigrants feel. She received a suspended jail sentence and a temporary ban from public office

230 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:50:33am

this is what sucks about all of this murkiness in the Middle East, while Dems have their own issues with their own leaders, what the R’s have wrought is a stain on our national conscience…. by that I mean….

who caused the US to lose it’s moral compass on the issue of the use of Chemical Weapons in warfare, why it’s the R’s, who use of the CIA to allow Saddam to act as our proxy, encouraged the use of these weapons as we had our pride wounded by the regime change in Iran and were looking for any way to punish the Iranians for the temerity of overthrowing the tyrant that we helped put into power and did so in such a way, that everyone knows we did it. So we ended up trading our own moral compass for the sin of pride. Well done!

Then we get to Gulf War I, where George the First listens to whichever angel on his shoulder, doesn’t take out Saddam setting the stage for his son’s misadventures, completely expending and then bankrupting the global good will that was in the bank post 9/11. No game plan, no intel (or perhaps, more likely, ignored intel) and a general clusterfuck by the numbers. yeah, the bad guys are gone, but no one put away the groceries or has cleaned the dog poop out of the yard and now we’ve moved on and the new owners are left to sort things out on their own, with all of the instructions written in Japanese and no one there reads or writes it.

So now we come to this shit sandwich, which has now put us into the position of being able to watching folks kill each other and allow the old spectre of chemical warfare back onto the table because the last few guys who came by and messed around in here, left it worse off than when they came before….

Can Obama make things better? I can’t say, for the most part the guy has done an admirable job considering the wide away of shit that he’s had to deal with thus far, everything from “gently” guiding the Arab Nationalist movement, doing what he can to encourage Arab self determination where he can without combat troops and measured assistants against tyrants via political pressure and measured military intervention. I prefer to trust him to try and find a tricky path to a better outcome than what currently exists and get those weapons neutralized/confiscated//destroyed. Then allow the combatants to determine their outcome by more conventional means. Do I like it, not really, do I trust the guy in charge… yeah I do. This guy is thinking long term and not just what the possible repercussions are locally if the continued use of these weapons but what precedent is set by their use.

Also, that argument that “well they were used before and nothing has happened”, why do you think that is? Is it because folks didn’t have them or was it because it was the US getting it’s freak on by “plausible deniability” means and everyone knows it. I don’t think that Russia or China had the balls to call us on it and as such, no one stopped us but it wasn’t as if carte blanche was given to the rest of the world because of our own insanity. After all, we are the biggest bully on the block, who had the moral and military juice to challenge us… (and the fact that we put it on the table to begin with, will probably bite us in the ass more long term in this region than anything else).

231 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:53:54am

re: #220 ProTARDISLiberal

Hey, I just posted a page for you … ;)

232 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:55:05am

Tons of poisoned fish clog river in China’s Hubei province

Tasty.

233 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:55:07am

re: #228 Carlos Danger

Here’s some European far-right lunacy to make Republicans seem almost normal again:

Fake blood-covered mannequins: Italy’s 1st black minister is targeted again

Once again, for the record: Lega Nord is the inspiration and web-buddy of our everlovin’ neo-confederate League of the South. (Could post the webpage, but don’t send them hits.)

234 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:55:16am

re: #206 Dr. Matt

It’s toxic airborne effects are measured at .5 ppm, which is a pretty high dosage. It’s not tetragenic or mutagenic.

The negative effects of pesticides directly on humans is very, very rarely a reason not to use them, it’s the effects on downstream animals. Trout, for example, who eat a ton of insects, will rapidly get a bunch of this stuff in them, which may disrupt a local ecology.

But compared to other pesticides, it is really not very harmful. If it can be used in a way that prevents a lot of runoff but instead gets leached, it shouldn’t be a problem.

235 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:56:40am

re: #230 piratedan

What he said.

236 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:57:12am

With a name like Paladin, it sounds like it should mutate people into Elves.

237 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 8:59:06am

re: #130 Amory Blaine

Conservatives are repulsive in their hypocrisy. Fucking scumbags were beating the war drums over lies. Yet the truth is staring at them right in the face and they still lie. They are anti-american.

They are anti-American and anti-war only if the President is a Democrat. Where were they when Bush lied the US into war in Iraq?

238 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:01:56am

re: #232 Carlos Danger

Tons of poisoned fish clog river in China’s Hubei province

Tasty.

Sad that most Americans don’t give a rat’s ass about all the damage our low price driven consumer culture is doing to China.

239 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:04:05am

re: #232 Carlos Danger

In an update Thursday, the environmental protection department said that a recent drought in the area had “caused (a) significant drop in water level, which decreased the river’s capacity to hold pollutants.”

So it’s ok when the river is full. O_o

240 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:05:23am

re: #238 Eclectic Cyborg

Sad that most Americans don’t give a rat’s ass about all the damage our low price driven consumer culture is doing to China.

Hell, we didn’t give a rat’s ass over Pittsburgh.

241 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:05:43am

Kathie Lee and Hoda are drinking wine out of vases on morning tv.

242 Lidane  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:05:49am

re: #237 Patricia Kayden

Where were they when Bush lied the US into war in Iraq?

Cheering him on and calling everyone who questioned the march into Iraq a filthy traitor and Al Qaeda sympathizer.

243 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:06:12am

re: #239 Amory Blaine

So it’s ok when the river is full. O_o

Tidy Bowl man has run aground.

244 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:06:13am

re: #242 Lidane

Ahh the good ol’ days.

245 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:06:38am

re: #228 Carlos Danger

Don’t worry, the Republicans will start doing that by the end of the year.

246 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:10:24am

When the Chinese people have widespread starvation due to the industrialists appetite for pollution, I wonder who they’re going to come for..

247 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:13:11am

OT, after quite a bit of soul searching, I believe I have decided NOT to go back to college.

While the idea of obtaining another degree does hold some interest for me, I find more compelling reasons to not go than to go. Among them:

1) Cost - Yes, I believe I could qualify for a Pell Grant but I’m not totally sure on that and even then, I’m not certain the grant money would be enough to cover the full cost of my education, even at a community college (which is what I’d be limited to). The other option is of course FAFSA or private loans but I really, REALLY don’t want to come out of college with a mountain of debt. I escaped debt free the first time but I doubt my ability to be able to do so again as my circumstances are much different.

2) The classes themselves - I may just be getting more bitter an cynical as I get older but it seems like there is so much bullshit that goes on at college these days and I’m not just talking about textbook pricing. It just seems like a whole pile of drama that I don’t want or need. I don’t doubt in my ability to handle the actual coursework, it’s just all the other things that come with it.

3) Life goals - My dream is to be a writer. I am a creative person by nature and I’ve always loved to write. I have already published my first ebook and I’m hard at work on a second and third. I know you can take creative writing classes and so on, but I feel I can be an effective writer without taking those steps. Oh, I know it’s hard work and study regardless, but I think I’d rather do things of my own avail than in a classroom setting.

My two current associates degrees are in journalism and marketing. Journalism is a struggling industry right now and unfortunately since most people see marketing and sales as one and the same, I haven’t been able to draw much with the marketing degree besides commission only sales jobs with no benefits.

Even if I did go back to college and get another degree, there’s no guarantee I’d find a good job even IF said degree was in a field that supposedly has strong prospects.

I have a steady job right now that affords me enough spare time to pursue my writing goals. I think I’d rather throw everything I’ve got into that and see what happens before investing in more education.

248 Flounder  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:13:32am

So Rush is going to have a new book out, aimed at teaching history to kids.

249 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:13:53am

re: #246 Amory Blaine

When the Chinese people have widespread starvation due to the industrialists appetite for pollution, I wonder who they’re going to come for..

Realistically, they’ll go for the nearby ‘out-group’. Do they have Jews?

250 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:13:54am

re: #246 Amory Blaine

“But we’re communists! Friends of the people! See, see?”

251 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:15:23am

re: #249 Decatur Deb

True that. Silly me I am under a delusion that the guilty parties will be held accountable. I forgot which planet I was on.

252 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:15:59am

re: #248 Flounder

So Rush is going to have a new book out, aimed at teaching history to kids.

I look forward to his discussion of World War II and the Feminazis.

253 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:17:11am

re: #252 BongCrodny

I look forward to his discussion of World War II and the Feminazis.

I think the guys in the rock band in Canada would write a better one tbh

254 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:17:49am

Doe eyed conservative heroes and evil underground dwelling collectivists. Shit writes itself.

255 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:19:12am

Can’t wait to hear how America totally won World War II by itself and how we helped out buddy Uncle Joe through the power of SPAM.

256 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:20:13am

re: #253 piratedan

Rush? April Wine? Platinum Blonde?

257 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:20:27am

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

Writing? That doesn’t need a a 4-year course. There are lots of local writer’s groups, workshops, seminars that will carry you forward once you have the minimum language skills. (These days minimum is minimum.) Self-publishing—not vanity press—is starting to gell. My daughter is deep into it.

258 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:21:08am

re: #248 Flounder

So Rush is going to have a new book out, aimed at teaching history to kids.

Gee, thanks. but I already bought my son this one:
amazon.com

Somehow, I think it’s a wee bit better product.

259 Flounder  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:21:08am

re: #253 piratedan

you forgot your “aye”

260 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:21:42am

re: #256 Amory Blaine

Rush, naturally :-) as I was playing off of who would be writing a book. Although my taste in Canadian bands tends to be more of a Red Ryder, Odds and Shadowy Men From A Shadowy Planet bent…..

261 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:22:23am

re: #259 Flounder

you forgot your “aye”

He can insert an ‘aye patch’.

262 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:23:33am

re: #259 Flounder

you forgot your “aye”

arrrr! Many thanks Squib!

263 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:24:34am

Speaking of which, what was Ayn Rand doing during WWII? Selflessly saving western civilization, right?

264 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:25:42am

re: #253 piratedan

I think the guys in the rock band in Canada would write a better one tbh

I dunno, man.

I read that Geddy Lee is supposed to be a big-time Libertarian.

Limbaugh or Libertarians, Limbaugh or Libertarians.

It’s like one of those human resources tests with no correct answer.

265 Lidane  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:26:25am

More pro-freedom legislation from the RWNJ’s favorite country:

266 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:27:15am

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

I am preparing for an (I believe) inevitable restructuring at my employer and I am getting out of the civil engineering game entirely. Infrastructure is too political and most people really don’t give a shit around here (WI) about moving forward. I’m seriously contemplating getting an associates in dental hygiene. Supposed to be a fast growing occupation and the pay is excellent. 9-5 office hours unlike nursing or something. Plus I scraped so many pot pipes shiny clean in my youth that I know I’d be good at scraping teeth!

267 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:28:20am

re: #260 piratedan

Rush, naturally :-) as I was playing off of who would be writing a book. Although my taste in Canadian bands tends to be more of a Red Ryder, Odds and Shadowy Men From A Shadowy Planet bent…..

Hey!

I saw Odds, many many years ago in Portland, Maine.

They opened for Warren Zevon, and then when it was time for Zevon to take the stage, they performed as his backing band.

Excellent show, all around.

268 Flounder  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:29:08am

re: #266 Amory Blaine

I am also a civil engineer, what are your “beefs” with WI? I know I got mine with New York.

269 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:29:14am

re: #264 BongCrodny

I could accept that Geddy got to his place, after all, self taught musician, living off of his efforts, so yeah that fits, I’d expect him to be more honest than Rushbo, who never fails to blur, bend and ignore lines as long as they serve the greater good of Rushbo and his ideology.

270 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:29:23am

re: #263 Carlos Danger

Speaking of which, what was Ayn Rand doing during WWII? Selflessly saving western civilization, right?

Full-time volunteer for Wendell Willkie, running against FDR/New Deal.

—Wiki

271 Flounder  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:30:34am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

I was gonna post smoking unfiltered cigarettes.

272 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:31:17am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

It’s a little known fact that after the success of the Fountainhead, Hitler promptly committed suicide…

///

273 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:31:19am

re: #267 BongCrodny

I find them to be very underrated, nice mix of song styles and tempos, but alas, they toil in relative obscurity

274 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:36:41am

re: #268 Flounder

Outright hatred for high speed rail or any rail for that matter. Scott Walker carried the state by denying 800 million dollars for a “choo choo” (the RW derogatory). Replacing bridges is like pulling teeth. Plus I idealistically believed there would be forward looking projects that I could be a part of. Not patching together shit.

275 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:38:18am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

Full-time volunteer for Wendell Willkie, running against FDR/New Deal.

—Wiki

By the way:

Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals

Dorks who thought Best Years Of Our Lives was anti-American. Big HUAC fans, naturally. Ayn Rand was a member.

276 Flounder  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:39:51am

re: #274 Amory Blaine

In New York we like to put new clothes on old bums, and generally like to throw money away.

I have been hearing about high speed rail/light rail my entire career. Never gonna happen.

277 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:40:25am

Oh look, Russia released bullshit:

In a 100-page report, Russia releases key findings on the chemical attack near Aleppo indicating similarity with rebel-made weapons. (Reuters)

Go to hell, Putin. Yes, I know you already have a fast-track there, but I still felt the need to say it.

278 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:40:34am

re: #275 Carlos Danger

By the way:

Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals

Dorks who thought Best Years Of Our Lives was anti-American. Big HUAC fans, naturally. Ayn Rand was a member.

Name-namers. Shocking.

279 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:41:03am

The only enthusiasm for growth is more cookie cutter suburbs (barf) and a growing thirst to suck water out of the great lakes so outlying suburbs can continue watering their 5 acre plots and golf courses. That I want no part of because I want to be able to live with myself.

280 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:43:04am

No Rate Shock? Obamacare Premiums Lower Than Expected

281 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:43:26am

re: #279 Amory Blaine

The only enthusiasm for growth is more cookie cutter suburbs (barf) and a growing thirst to suck water out of the great lakes so outlying suburbs can continue watering their 5 acre plots and golf courses. That I want no part of because I want to be able to live with myself.

The only way Republicans see growth is outwards and upwards. Investing from within is anathema.

282 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:44:53am

re: #279 Amory Blaine

I can whole-heartedly agree with that. I want to the suburbs to wither away. They are unsustainable, illogical, and have virtually no community or character. Just loads of boring, and some of the meanest, nastiest people you will ever find.

283 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:47:53am

I remember hearing somewhere that Arlington, TX resisted all public transportation until August of this year, because they thought it would attract poor people.

Uh, I’ve got news for you.

284 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:49:04am

Although I find Will Allen a community inspiration and a local role model of the highest caliber.

285 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:49:21am

re: #283 Carlos Danger

Of all the places that need a wake-up call to act human.

286 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:52:51am

re: #248 Flounder

So Rush is going to have a new book out, aimed at teaching history to kids.

That would be this. Holy crap.

Also, how is this even a thing?

287 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:54:19am

Arlingotn and Ft. Worth are pretty much what happens to suburbs when you let them run their course. Per capita income is stagnant and there are numerous dead zones consisting of pawn shops and abandoned strip malls.

288 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:54:32am

re: #284 Amory Blaine

I could really get on board with the design/build of something like this.

289 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:55:21am

What the fuck does Paul Revere have to do with pilgrims?

290 Flounder  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:56:17am

re: #286 Eclectic Cyborg

He has a new wife he needs to entertain.

291 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:58:24am

Are automatic gratuities set to become a thing of the past?

292 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:58:29am


Wait…what?!? The MSM doesn’t “get” the Prez.?
My pearls. They are clutched.

293 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:58:53am

re: #289 Amory Blaine

What the fuck does Paul Revere have to do with pilgrims?

Remember this is wingnut history. I’m sure David Barton signed off on the book before Rush submitted it.

294 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:59:05am
In this book, he is transported back to the deck of the Mayflower.

My guess is he won’t be on the deck of the Zong.

295 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:00:35am

Those brave, brave pilgrims. Fleeing puritan religious dictatorship so they can institute their own, more puritanical version of it.

296 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:01:13am

re: #287 Carlos Danger

Colorado Springs is pretty much the same way. Our unemployment is about 1-2% higher than Denver’s, and about double that of the counties surrounding Denver.

Chapel Hills Mall is about 1/2 Vacant, and Citadel Mall is about 1/4 Vacant. There are empty storefronts everywhere.

And yet, people here are still deluded into thinking we are better than Denver. Even though the Bus System has been rendered non-existent, we have no cultural institutions other than the Evangelical Churches and Focus on the Family. We have two minor museums.

297 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:02:18am

re: #296 ProTARDISLiberal

you do have Garden of the Gods, which is plainly awesome tho

298 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:02:22am

re: #295 Carlos Danger

Those brave, brave pilgrims. Fleeing puritan religious dictatorship so they can institute their own, more puritanical version of it.

It should tell you something if your too weird for even the Dutch.

299 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:02:59am

re: #297 piratedan

True, but it borders Manitou Springs as well. So it isn’t even ours, per se.

300 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:04:12am

Pratt: ‘Obama Is Consistently Helping Al Qaeda’ Because He ‘Hates This Country’

On Tuesday, Pratt stopped by The Talk To Solomon Show, where he regularly discusses with Solomon why he believes President Obama will become a murderous dictator. Pratt floated the conspiracy theory that the US annex in Benghazi, which was attacked by Islamic extremists, was smuggling arms to Syrian rebels, including Al Qaeda.

“It’s just stunning that Obama is consistently helping Al Qaeda throughout the Middle East and I guess anywhere else he can as well,” Pratt told Solomon, “that’s how much I think Obama hates this country.” Later, he cited to a WorldNetDaily manifesto calling for Obama’s impeachment and urged the House of Representatives to begin holding impeachment hearings.

301 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:04:59am

Not that the pilgrims were the worst thing ever, but they’re no more “American” than any other group that eventually made this country.

Put Paul Revere mumble mumble liberals

302 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:05:54am

FWIW

ThinkProgess’s Congressional head count re: Authorization of Force

Survey says ,,,, NO

thinkprogress.org

303 klys  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:07:29am

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m in the process of sorting out what I want to do with my life (I know it’s not research at this point) and am trying to get approval to take classes online through OSU to cover enough computer science background to get an interview.

Of course, this morning’s phone call indicates bureaucracy may end up standing in the way on that. This was already plan B. Now I need to figure out a plan C in case this doesn’t work…

304 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:07:30am

re: #302 sattv4u2

Hey look! My pessimism was justified.

No disappointment either.

305 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:07:36am

Sorry for being an ass earlier.

306 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:08:35am

re: #295 Carlos Danger

Those brave, brave pilgrims. Fleeing puritan religious dictatorship so they can institute their own, more puritanical version of it.

I always get such a kick out of how few people understand that the pilgrims left England because it wouldn’t allow them to have a theocracy, then left Holland because they wouldn’t allow them to have a theocracy then finally set one up a rather short lived theocracy for awhile in New England. Thankfully they mellowed with time, immigration from saner parts of England & legislation by Parliament.

307 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:10:54am

re: #287 Carlos Danger

Arlingotn and Ft. Worth are pretty much what happens to suburbs when you let them run their course. Per capita income is stagnant and there are numerous dead zones consisting of pawn shops and abandoned strip malls.

Oh, so it looks like US 30 in New Jersey.
/ (half)

308 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:11:08am

re: #303 klys

Thinking about the online classes too.

Still applying though. Will discuss with teachers I had about my most recent idea. In theory, I am okay for the alternative track to teaching in CO. Social Studies.

I have gotten so fed up with the Catch-22 of needing experience to get experience. Might as well help the next-generation. Hopefully, by then, people will be less stupid, and realize entry-level means no experience. They are locking a fuckton of people of of potential fields with this idiocy. And it got me bitter and pessimistic to boot.

309 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:12:53am

re: #297 piratedan

you do have Garden of the Gods, which is plainly awesome tho

Nothing like a nice example of a long-term erosional structure in the midst of a bunch of “the Earth is 6,000 years old” idiots.

310 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:13:38am

re: #307 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh, so it looks like US 30 in New Jersey.
/ (half)

Kinda, if you imagine the flora is dead and the education system sucks

311 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:13:49am

re: #303 klys

I’m in the process of sorting out what I want to do with my life (I know it’s not research at this point) and am trying to get approval to take classes online through OSU to cover enough computer science background to get an interview.

Of course, this morning’s phone call indicates bureaucracy may end up standing in the way on that. This was already plan B. Now I need to figure out a plan C in case this doesn’t work…

I thought IT work required Plan C++…

;)

312 klys  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:14:32am

re: #311 Feline Fearless Leader

I thought IT work required Plan C++…

;)

I think operating systems work is still done in C…. at least sometimes…

But C++ is next. And then C#. And then I say fuck it all and become a hermit.

313 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:15:35am

re: #312 klys

I think operating systems work is still done in C…. at least sometimes…

But C++ is next. And then C#. And then I say fuck it all and become a hermit.

VB for life!
/

314 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:15:37am

re: #296 ProTARDISLiberal

Colorado Springs is pretty much the same way. Our unemployment is about 1-2% higher than Denver’s, and about double that of the counties surrounding Denver.

Chapel Hills Mall is about 1/2 Vacant, and Citadel Mall is about 1/4 Vacant. There are empty storefronts everywhere.

And yet, people here are still deluded into thinking we are better than Denver. Even though the Bus System has been rendered non-existent, we have no cultural institions other than the Evangelical Churches and Focus on the Family. We have two minor museums.

yeah, because there aren’t any abandoned storefronts in downtown Denver,,, or Atlanta,, or Boston,, or ,,,,,

315 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:18:11am

Meet the N.M. County Clerk Who Started the Same-Sex Marriage License Hullaballoo

“Nobody voted on whether I can get married, and I don’t think anybody voted on whether you can get married, and you don’t vote civil rights issues because the purpose of the 14th Amendment is to protect minorities,” Ellins said. “And people with that sexual orientation are minorities. So you don’t put that to a vote. It flies in the face of jurisprudence since the late 19th century.”

316 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:18:22am

Auto title loans, dollar stores, check cashing places, pawn shops and tattoo parlors are all signs of a thriving community.

317 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:18:54am

re: #314 sattv4u2

I should also mention that we have the highest crime rate among between Denver, Aurora, and us.

City is sliding down the tubes. As it should. It has been constantly ruled by conservatives. Colorado Springs can be an example as to why Conservative policies are, by in large, idiotic.

318 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:19:35am

Hmm. Water in the fountain at LOVE Park here in Philly is *green* today. (May have been so the whole week, but I noticed it today.)

Presumably it is some sort of Eagles thing.

319 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:19:46am

re: #317 ProTARDISLiberal

You are in the conservative eye of the storm so to speak.

320 klys  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:22:07am

re: #313 Pavlovian Hive Mind

VB for life!
/

See, I see that and think PIE because that’s what VB makes. And then taunts us with pictures of.

I’m just peeved. It’s 6 classes. I’m fairly certain letting me take these 6 classes, as long as there is room available, is not going to negatively impact your degree-seeking students. And since I don’t have to join a degree program I don’t intend to finish, you get the added bonus of not having me make your stats look shitty!

Also, yes, I saw the requirement for at least trig functions, but I’m fairly certain my differential equations class means I should be ok.

321 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:22:54am

re: #319 Amory Blaine

You have no idea.

322 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:24:43am

re: #320 klys

See, I see that and think PIE because that’s what VB makes. And then taunts us with pictures of.

I’m just peeved. It’s 6 classes. I’m fairly certain letting me take these 6 classes, as long as there is room available, is not going to negatively impact your degree-seeking students. And since I don’t have to join a degree program I don’t intend to finish, you get the added bonus of not having me make your stats look shitty!

Also, yes, I saw the requirement for at least trig functions, but I’m fairly certain my differential equations class means I should be ok.

Who needs to know trig when I have a python script that does it for me???

323 Lidane  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:24:46am
324 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:24:47am

A whole community of pull yourself up by the bootstrap conservative feeding off of the government teet of the Air Force.

325 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:25:10am

re: #317 ProTARDISLiberal

City is sliding down the tubes. As it should. It has been constantly ruled by conservatives

Don’t go there. there is a VAST list of cities that are ‘sliding down the tubes” that have been ‘constantly ruled by” conservatives as well as liberals, and you know that

326 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:25:18am

re: #323 Lidane

Hey look, someone trying to emulate 1984.

327 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:25:20am

re: #314 sattv4u2

yeah, because there aren’t any abandoned storefronts in downtown Denver,,, or Atlanta,, or Boston,, or ,,,,,

And also essentially the signs of an economy and on-going spiral that are crushing small businesses. Noticable where it is concentrated at malls and mid-sized cities, but if you get out in rural areas along US routes that normally have lots of small businesses you can see lots of them closed up there as well.

NPR had an article the other day on how the summer business has not been that good for the NJ shore despite their getting a lot of things repaired. People are putting off taking vacations and renting beach houses, cutting back on non-essential spending, etc. Which is logical if your living and spending are edging closer and closer to day-to-day.

And these places are not where the rich go to spend their bonuses. It’s where the middle class goes with their children. And their income has been stagnant or decreasing for the last 20 years.

328 RadicalModerate  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:25:47am

re: #206 Dr. Matt

WARNING!
KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN
FLAMMABLE LIQUID AND VAPOR.
MAY BE HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED.
HARMFUL IF INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN.
CAUSES SLIGHT EYE IRRITATION.

Thanks for providing the link to prove that’s not “harmless”.

OK.

How about we call it “mostly harmless”?

329 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:25:55am

re: #204 Gus

MSNBC host…

[Tweets about Alex Wagner Interviewing Ron Paul and asking if MSNBC was going to give Paul a show of his own]

I watched her interview. Alex did a decent job of not letting him get away with his twisting things his way. He’s a cagey and crafting ol’ coot. He always sounds good, but never can be pinned down on anything but broad terms like liberty, freedom, etc.

She asked him about where he was speaking in Canada at some Catholic group that seems to be highly anti-Semitic. He asked why she was attacking the Catholics, all he was doing was speaking. She reminded him she was raised Catholic.

She went after him about his associations and that’s when he started to dance. As usual.

And Gus, thought you especially would get a big kick out of him celebrating a new time when the libertarian Republicans and the left progressives are coming together through the Syrian and NSA debates. He sees it as a new dawning to take on the established parties which are one in the same. All I could see was that Circle of Derp/Convergence chart.

But Alex didn’t cower or let him go to far. He was a bit miffed as she said told him thanks for being on. If there are repeat vids out there, it is worth a watch.

330 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:26:24am

re: #322 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Who needs to know trig when I have a python script that does it for me???

How do you know which trig function applies to the problem you are trying to solve?
;)

331 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:27:24am

re: #330 Feline Fearless Leader

How do you know which trig function applies to the problem you are trying to solve?
;)

Another script.
:P
Nah, it’s just pure laziness. Automation FTW!

332 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:27:39am

re: #323 Lidane

yeah, he did, he stood right up and told the CIA to help Saddam use them against the Iranians, always the hero that Ronnie, look at all of his other heroic acts, turning tail in Lebanon post the horrific bombing of the Marines barracks, Invading Grenada (scourge of the Carribbean) and then engaging in a proxy war with the Iranians in order to salve our national pride and hoping that nobody would notice…. wish that fucker had died under that Borax Mule Team

333 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:28:00am

re: #331 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Another script.
:P
Nah, it’s just pure laziness. Automation FTW!

Sec Tan Cos Sin
3.14159!

334 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:30:32am

re: #330 Feline Fearless Leader

so you simply apply the Norwegian Fish Slapping dance video to it and the conversion is done, damn those Pythons were ahead of their time, but who knew?

335 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:32:05am

re: #214 Feline Fearless Leader

And an item for the global warming crowd. Talked the other day to a guy who worked support services for one of the SUNY universities - and also is interested in insects and such. It’s now staying warm enough long enough that Asiatic “tiger” mosquitoes are surviving and have ranged into western NYS. And they’re not a kind that mainly bites at dusk, they come out and bite during the day. So no relatively bug-free afternoons any more.

Plus they can carry 20 or so various diseases.

The little buggers are here in central Ohio/Columbus. And it is true, they bite all day long. I first noticed one about two years ago, I felt a pinch on my forearm, looked down and saw a mosquito I’ve never seen before. Long body with blackish and white stripes. And you can feel them drilling! I understand they can also bite a few times, not just once.

336 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:32:20am

re: #328 RadicalModerate

OK.

How about we call it “mostly harmless”?

So is it from Elite or from Hitchhiker’s Guide?

337 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:33:01am

re: #317 ProTARDISLiberal

Well, there’s Utah, for a “positive example” if having the statewide papers directly (and indirectly) owned by the Mormon Church doesn’t perturb you.

Many exurban areas believe they are better run and prosperous than the surrounding areas because they have a illusion of self sufficiency and don’t need to fund public works. It doesn’t work out so great 30 or 40 years later.

338 Lidane  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:33:11am

And I thought that going to a Bridezilla’s wedding would be tedious enough:

339 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:33:51am

re: #327 Feline Fearless Leader

Here too. The working/middle class dream of owning a cabin up north is over.

340 122 Year Old Obama  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:34:17am

re: #338 Lidane

More of that “Christian Love.”

341 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:35:25am

A friend just sent me a great history link website for Pittsburgh Lizards. (Note that the first bit is one of the neighborhoods, but it gets good quickly.)

brooklineconnection.com

Dr Lizardo: Did you know Czechoslovakia was ‘founded’ in the hall of the Moose fraternal organization in Pittsburgh?

brooklineconnection.com

342 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:35:32am

re: #338 Lidane

And I thought that going to a Bridezilla’s wedding would be tedious enough:

[Embedded content]

Image: wtf-jesus.jpg

343 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:36:08am

re: #340 122 Year Old Obama

it’s like, “we’re so glad you came out so we can shun you without worry now” :-)

344 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:36:21am

Now this is a diety I can get behind:

Image: wBfXe26.jpg

(they called her Thorella but I think Cinderthor is a better name.)

345 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:36:53am

re: #337 Carlos Danger

I have my issues with Utah and the Mormon Church, mainly from either a nationalist point of view, or from the view of hypocrisy I see in regards treatment differences between Muslims and Mormons.

346 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:37:59am

re: #344 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Now this is a diety I can get behind:

Image: wBfXe26.jpg

Image: 3rg58r.jpg

347 Lidane  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:39:12am

re: #344 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Now this is a diety I can get behind:

Image: wBfXe26.jpg

(they called her Thorella but I think Cinderthor is a better name.)

Loki has a female form, you know. Heh.

348 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:39:20am

re: #295 Carlos Danger

Those brave, brave pilgrims. Fleeing puritan religious dictatorship so they can institute their own, more puritanical version of it.

Where do you think they learned it?

/

349 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:41:14am

Video of the attack on suez canal
Youtube Video
Like hitting the broad side of a barn, only easier

350 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:43:23am

re: #347 Lidane

Loki has a female form, you know. Heh.

He gave birth, too, at least once.

And:

Image: shri-ardhanarishvara[1].jpg

That’s Ardhanarishvara, the combination of Shiva and Parvati.

351 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:43:45am

re: #349 Killgore Trout

Video of the attack on suez canal
[Embedded content]


Like hitting the broad side of a barn, only easier

RPGs? Versus a freighter’s hull?

352 Lidane  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:45:14am

Speaking of Loki:

Youtube Video

Haha.

353 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:45:33am

re: #351 Kragar

RPGs? Versus a freighter’s hull?

Like shooting fish with peas.

354 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:46:34am

Sometimes, Godhood kind of sucks:

Image: 2mmmif.jpg

355 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:48:21am

‘Cause, y’know, the anti-Assad forces are so concerned with the Geneva Conventions:

nytimes.com

356 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:51:56am

re: #351 Kragar

RPGs? Versus a freighter’s hull?

Pirates do it too. I doubt it does much damage but I suppose the point of terrorism is to scare people.

357 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:52:15am

re: #349 Killgore Trout

Video of the attack on suez canal
[Embedded content]


Like hitting the broad side of a barn, only easier

Superficial damage to the ship. Mostly a hatch.

358 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:55:02am

re: #338 Lidane

And I thought that going to a Bridezilla’s wedding would be tedious enough:

[Religious Right radio host says you should attend gay weddings…as long as you tell them to die bit.ly

Get out and practice that Christian Love!

Jesus taught them that you know…their preacher said it was in The Bible.

/

359 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:55:42am

Surprised no one’s brought up the attack on the Egyptian Interior Minister.

360 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 10:59:11am

re: #355 Decatur Deb

‘Cause, y’know, the anti-Assad forces are so concerned with the Geneva Conventions:

nytimes.com

There is a lot of rebel groups in Syria. A number of them are, no doubt, extremists nutbars.

361 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 11:00:13am

re: #360 Pavlovian Hive Mind

There is a lot of rebel groups in Syria. A number of them are, no doubt, extremists nutbars.

And a lot of half-assad generals.

362 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 11:01:46am

re: #359 Carlos Danger

Surprised no one’s brought up the attack on the Egyptian Interior Minister.

Looks like some sort of poop in pic #2
dailynewsegypt.com


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