Breaking Greenwald Bombshell: Spy Agencies Crack Encryption Methods!

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Greenwald and the Guardian’s latest bombshell breaking story on the NSA uses a fear-mongering tactic that’s been common throughout their bombshell breaking stories — a seemingly deliberate intention to confuse and conflate the ability to do something with the act of doing something.

The breathless headline: US and UK Spy Agencies Defeat Privacy and Security on the Internet.

The overheated lead paragraphs:

US and British intelligence agencies have successfully cracked much of the online encryption relied upon by hundreds of millions of people to protect the privacy of their personal data, online transactions and emails, according to top-secret documents revealed by former contractor Edward Snowden.

The files show that the National Security Agency and its UK counterpart GCHQ have broadly compromised the guarantees that internet companies have given consumers to reassure them that their communications, online banking and medical records would be indecipherable to criminals or governments.

And not a hint of acknowledgment that in order to decrypt any US citizen’s information for any purpose, the government still needs to get an individual warrant. (This time, a search for “warrant” in the article returned no results.)

The bombshell comes down to this: spy agencies crack encryption schemes.

“Since the beginning of human history,” the Guardian did not add.

UPDATE at 9/5/13 2:07:00 pm

Greenwald boasts that he ignored government requests not to publish the article:

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435 comments
1 freetoken  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:21:40pm

We could never have guessed as to why the NSA was created in the first place.

2 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:22:07pm

Next stunning revelation: The Government is coming to KILL you!*

*Assuming you break a law for which the penalty is death, you are arrested, tried by a jury of your peers, convicted, and lose your appeals.

(Note: does not apply in FL or TX)

3 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:23:15pm

The rest of the story - it takes so much resource to do this that the NSA has to focus on the essential few, because they don’t have the horsepower in CPU cycles or the manpower to do much else. They have to have good reason to go into the data that’s encrypted to invest that time.

So if you’re worried that the NSA is hacking your particular emails you’re probably just another loon, real world terrorist, or criminal.

4 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:24:02pm

[moonbat]I was flabbergasted to learn that POLICE carry GUNS!!![/moonbat]

5 b.d.  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:24:05pm

The NSA should go back to their original stated purpose of sending out questionnaires.

6 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:25:16pm

re: #4 GeneJockey

[moonbat]I was flabbergasted to learn that POLICE carry GUNS!!![/moonbat]

ITS SO THEY CAN COME KILL YOU!
///DUDEBRO!

7 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:25:34pm

re: #2 Kragar

Hey, uh Kragar, your recent page needs updating. DC compounded their misogyny error with this whooper.

DC Comics Holding Open Talent Search To Draw Harley Quinn Naked

8 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:26:14pm
9 jaunte  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:26:32pm

Ugehay Ockshay!

10 erik_t  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:27:08pm
US and British intelligence agencies have successfully cracked much of the online encryption relied upon by hundreds of millions of people to protect the privacy of their personal data, online transactions and emails, according to top-secret documents revealed by former contractor Edward Snowden.

No, they’ve compromised the methods used. They have not decrypted the private personal data of hundreds of millions of people. Just as learning how to pick a lock does not mean that all locks on Earth are now unlocked.

You deceitful little piece of shit.

11 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:27:53pm

re: #7 ProTARDISLiberal

Hey, uh Kragar, your recent page needs updating. DC compounded their misogyny error with this whooper.

DC Comics Holding Open Talent Search To Draw Harley Quinn Naked

I consider that separate from the other issue. Still, DC is just crap.

12 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:28:53pm

I still can’t figure out where the assumption of I CAN HAZ TOTAL PRIVACY ON THE INTERNETS originated.

13 b.d.  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:29:30pm
“Hmmm funny looking telegram Foreign Secretary Herr Zimmermann is sending to Mexico, should we try and figure out what it says?”
14 erik_t  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:29:32pm

re: #12 Bulworth

I still can’t figure out where the assumption of I CAN HAZ TOTAL PRIVACY ON THE INTERNETS originated.

Common carriers and massively interlinked networks: how do they work?

15 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:29:50pm

I was watching an X-files episode where the central corrupt government character, the Cigarette Smoking Man, is eavesdropping on the Lone Gunmen conspiracy nuts using some kind of device.

One of the conspiracy nuts, apparently aware he could potentially be recorded, says he won’t speak a word about the issue at hand until some kind of fancy security measure is in place first (supposedly to prevent electronic recording).

The device is activated and the Smoking Man presses a button on his recording contraption that literally reads: OVERRIDE < FANCY SECURITY MEASURE > and is able to continue to listen without a problem.

16 jaunte  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:29:51pm

re: #12 Bulworth

The tapping on this telegraph wire has a certain pattern to it…

17 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:29:52pm

re: #7 ProTARDISLiberal

Hey, uh Kragar, your recent page needs updating. DC compounded their misogyny error with this whooper.

DC Comics Holding Open Talent Search To Draw Harley Quinn Naked

Will they pay if I’m wearing a modest negligee while I draw her? I’m shy.

18 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:29:58pm

re: #14 erik_t

Common carriers and massively interlinked networks: how do they work?

Ropes and pulleys.

19 Jayleia  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:30:22pm

re: #12 Bulworth

It originated from a very small, dark place.

20 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:31:38pm

re: #13 b.d.

“Hmmm funny looking telegram Foreign Secretary Herr Zimmermann is sending to Mexico, should we try and figure out what it says?”

Gentlemen do not read other gentlemen’s mail.

21 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:32:43pm

re: #11 Kragar

I don’t think so. From my point of view, it shows an immaturity in regards to women, viewing them as sexual objects, not people, and being unable to grasp very basic human things.

22 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:32:58pm

“I don’t want none of yous to be able to access my Internet surfings, especially the p0rno sites. If I catch any you homos looking at my Internet surfings, I’ll kill ya.”

“Same goes for my cell phones. I catch any of you homos tracking my cell phone messages, I’ll kill ya.”

23 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:35:40pm

Bryan Fischer says we should stay out of Syria because it’s “The Christian thing to do”.

24 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:35:42pm

re: #22 Bulworth

“I don’t want none of yous to be able to access my Internet surfings, especially the p0rno sites. If I catch any you homos looking at my Internet surfings, I’ll kill ya.”

“Same goes for my cell phones. I catch any of you homos tracking my cell phone messages, I’ll kill ya.”

thank you Sgt. “Big Toe” Bulworth!

25 urbanmeemaw  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:35:51pm

re: #18 Kragar

Dixie cups and string?

26 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:36:04pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

I was watching an X-files episode where the central corrupt government character, the Cigarette Smoking Man, is eavesdropping on the Lone Gunmen conspiracy nuts using some kind of device.

One of the conspiracy nuts, apparently aware he could potentially be recorded, says he won’t speak a word about the issue at hand until some kind of fancy security measure is in place first (supposedly to prevent electronic recording).

The device is activated and the Smoking Man presses a button on his recording contraption that literally reads: OVERRIDE < FANCY SECURITY MEASURE > and is able to continue to listen without a problem.

“Chief, I believe we need to use…The Cone Of Silence!”

“But Max, you know that never works!”

“Chief, I insist!”

27 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:36:30pm

re: #21 ProTARDISLiberal

I don’t think so. From my point of view, it shows an immaturity in regards to women, viewing them as sexual objects, not people, and being unable to grasp very basic human things.

But, generally speaking, in the entertainment industry the primary function of women is as sexual objects. That creates a cultural notion of them that’s hard to overcome.

28 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:36:30pm

Oh nooo!!! Mah usenet parn iz comprimized!!!!!

//

29 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:36:37pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

Bryan Fischer says we should stay out of Syria because it’s “The Christian thing to do”.

Yeah, Can’t have that whole Isaiah 17 thing happen without Damascus falling or some bullshit like that.

30 b.d.  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:36:47pm

F*cking Rosetta Stone!!

Wish that sumbitch had remained buried!

31 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:37:20pm

I wonder how many hours of productivity have been lost due to online porn…

32 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:38:06pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how many hours of productivity have been lost due to online porn…

All of them.

33 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:38:56pm

re: #21 ProTARDISLiberal

I don’t think so. From my point of view, it shows an immaturity in regards to women, viewing them as sexual objects, not people, and being unable to grasp very basic human things.

i tried to grasp some very basic human things but she just slapped me

34 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:39:06pm

Allied Powers Crack Enigma Encryption Code: German Privacy Violated!

US Navy Claims Cracked Japanese Naval Encryption, Uses to Justify Build-up Around Midway Island.

35 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:39:27pm

re: #21 ProTARDISLiberal

Or, this lady puts it a bit more eloquently.

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, well, I like women to be intelligent, able to hold their ground, and having a lot of personality.

Why do you think I like Doctor Who. Many of the companions are this way. Clara, Amy, River, Donna, and Martha. There are many others in the old series (Hello, Sarah Jane), and some of the side-characters get pretty awesome too (Sally Sparrow).

36 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:39:31pm

There wouldn’t be an internet if not for porn, you ungrateful prudes!

37 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:39:50pm

EVERYONE:

You can relax now.

What I’m trying to say is that there’s a very important corollary to Internet Rule 34, which states that if you can think of something, somebody has already made porn out of it online. And that corollary is: When you have a sexual fetish, you are never really alone.

also paged

38 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:40:01pm

OVERRIDE < FANCY SECURITY MEASURE >

took me a whole week to code that feature up

39 b.d.  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:40:09pm

re: #36 Kragar

There wouldn’t be an internet if not for porn, you ungrateful prudes!

That’s why Al Gore really invented it.

/

40 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:40:55pm
41 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:41:02pm

re: #36 Kragar

There wouldn’t be an internet if not for porn, you ungrateful prudes!

I thought the Internet existed so people could bitch on digital message boards?

42 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:41:11pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

Allied Powers Crack Enigma Encryption Code: German Privacy Violated!

US Navy Claims Cracked Japanese Naval Encryption, Uses to Justify Build-up Around Midway Island.

Heh. Imagine an early 40’s Snowden running off to Japan and then Russia (or Germany) with knowledge about US encryption processes and progress in 1940 or 1941.

43 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:41:59pm

re: #42 Feline Fearless Leader

Heh. Imagine an early 40’s Snowden running off to Japan and then Russia (or Germany) with knowledge about US encryption processes and progress in 1940 or 1941.

Why run off with it when he could have just fed it to his local KGB handler.

44 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:42:17pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

I thought the Internet existed so people could bitch on digital message boards?

That began only to bitch about the quality of the porn.

45 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:44:05pm

Better not tell the Guardian that we broke Engima because you know the Kriegsmarine should be about to use unrestricted submarine warfare.

46 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:44:24pm

Lets enjoy an informational video discussing the purpose of the internet:

Youtube Video

47 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:44:46pm

In an interesting note, when I worked at the history magazine firm, I read the memoirs of Joe Rochefort, the guy who broke the Japanese code leading up to Midway.

48 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:44:51pm

Freddie Mercury would have been 67 today.

49 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:46:17pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

OUTRAGE

50 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:46:55pm

How to protect yourself from the NSA: Don’t join a fucking terrorist group.

51 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:47:14pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Sounds like a great job

52 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:49:11pm

re: #51 Bulworth

Sounds like a great job

Yeah I enjoyed it. Just an internship though while I was in school and out of it. Applied to a new position today doing freelance work for a local university’s Conservatory. *fingers crossed*.

53 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:49:29pm

re: #50 darthstar

How to protect yourself from the NSA: Don’t join a fucking terrorist group.

“All I did was let my PC be used by Anon to run some DOS attacks, and the next thing I know, fucking Fascists with badges were telling my mom I was a criminal!”

54 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:49:50pm
55 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:50:28pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

“THATS PRIVATE!”

56 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:50:43pm
57 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:51:47pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Breaking, the CIA has spies. Film at 11.

58 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:51:59pm

Fischer: Is President Obama Secretly A Muslim Who Is Lying About Being A Christian?

“Is President Obama … taking advantage of that doctrine of taqiyya?” Fischer asked. “Is he pretending to be a Christian, falsely and taking cover under the doctrine of taqiyya because his role as the president is advancing the cause of Islam? I mean, who knows?”

59 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:52:54pm

Charles I do remember reading stories somewhat like this back in 2006 or 2007 about agencies inserting backdoors, but it’s not new news I don’t think.

60 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:53:04pm

re: #58 Kragar

Hey, just asking questions….

//

61 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:53:29pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

[wingnut —- moonbat]

OMG. Government agencies tasked with certain missions actually execute on these missions. Inconceivable.

[/wingnut —- moonbat]

62 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:54:10pm

re: #12 Bulworth

I still can’t figure out where the assumption of I CAN HAZ TOTAL PRIVACY ON THE INTERNETS originated.

People have confused anonymity with privacy.

63 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:54:15pm

re: #61 EPR-radar

Well, they CAN, and that’s what’s so scary. //

64 FurryNavyDude  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:54:57pm

Just wait until real 30+ qbit Quantum Computers start showing up. The only people who will be able to afford them will be big governments, and I’m sure that the NSA will be one of the first customers. 1024 bit encryption keys will be cracked in minutes.

It’ll always be a race between the ability to securely encrypt information, and the ability to crack that encryption.

The only common theme in all of this has been the requirement for a warrant to do it.

Greenwald has become one of the premier propagandists of our time. Gotta give him that much, even if he is a despicable little twit.

65 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:55:46pm

re: #58 Kragar

Fischer: Is President Obama Secretly A Muslim Who Is Lying About Being A Christian?

OFFS, this is the shit you’d see pulled with Jews in Czarist Russia.

66 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:55:52pm

Some of it could trace back to the _NSAKEY thing.
en.wikipedia.org

67 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:56:01pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

In an interesting note, when I worked at the history magazine firm, I read the memoirs of Joe Rochefort, the guy who broke the Japanese code leading up to Midway.

And Rochefort promptly got screwed over by other decoding groups and their officers that stole credit, took authority, and essentially got the Hawaii decoding office closed. Rochefort, if I recall correctly, ended up in California commanding a floating dry dock rather than any further decryption work.

68 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:56:11pm

re: #58 Kragar

It is more plausible that Bryan Fischer is an atheist provocateur who wants to make Christians looks as bad as possible by combining malice and stupidity in ever new and different ways as part of his “witness” and “ministry”.

69 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:56:30pm

re: #60 Bulworth

Hey, just asking questions….

//

Sometimes I think Fischer must be one of the most dedicated parody performance artists in history, kind of like a Tony Clifton, because I don’t see how one man could really be as totally and utterly as full of shit as Fischer manages to be.

70 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:57:24pm

Greewald scooped by WND:

WARNING KOOK SITE LINK

wnd.com

71 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:57:50pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

OFFS, this is the shit you’d see pulled with Jews in Czarist Russia.

Fischer: Clueless semi-sentient meat popsicle or just another religious ignorant duplicitous bastard?

72 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:57:51pm

re: #68 EPR-radar

It is more plausible that Bryan Fischer is an atheist provocateur who wants to make Christians looks as bad as possible by combining malice and stupidity in ever new and different ways as part of his “witness” and “ministry”.

He does seem to be particularly effective at it, doesn’t he?

73 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:58:03pm

re: #67 Feline Fearless Leader

And Rochefort promptly got screwed over by other decoding groups and their officers that stole credit, took authority, and essentially got the Hawaii decoding office closed. Rochefort, if I recall correctly, ended up in California commanding a floating dry dock rather than any further decryption work.

Yeah he got a bad deal and the film version portrayed him as an eccentric. The thing that was interesting though looking at his memoirs was that he said that he decided to learn Japanese in the early 20’s while a young naval officer. Interesting because I don’t think too many officers were looking at Japan as a potential key player for the U.S to deal with.

74 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:58:06pm

re: #58 Kragar

Fischer: Is President Obama Secretly A Muslim Who Is Lying About Being A Christian?

Are we sure FISCHER isn’t a secret Mooozlimm, using Taqqiyya to discredit Christianity by making it look like Christians are all batshit crazy and dumb as posts?

I’m just asking questions here….

75 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:58:28pm

re: #71 piratedan

Fischer: Clueless semi-sentient meat popsicle or just another religious ignorant duplicitous bastard?

Professional gasbag.

76 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:58:41pm

Oh, crap. Boy, was I late to THAT party!

77 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 1:59:28pm

re: #76 GeneJockey

Oh, crap. Boy, was I late to THAT party!

I question the timing.

78 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:00:00pm

re: #74 GeneJockey

Are we sure FISCHER isn’t a secret Mooozlimm, using Taqqiyya to discredit Christianity by making it look like Christians are all batshit crazy and dumb as posts?

I’m just asking questions here….

Watch his feet.// WND found out teh trooth about Obama because of his feet.

79 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:00:12pm

Here’s a selective search 2006 - 2008 you can see what was making the rounds back then:

google.com

80 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:00:55pm

re: #76 GeneJockey

Oh, crap. Boy, was I late to THAT party!

I am running out of ways to insult and/or mock Bryan Fischer. He himself is so odious that few comparisons can do justice to him.

81 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:01:05pm

re: #68 EPR-radar

It is more plausible that Bryan Fischer is an atheist provocateur who wants to make Christians looks as bad as possible by combining malice and stupidity in ever new and different ways as part of his “witness” and “ministry”.

I’m going with my own Occam’s Razor explanation.

Bryan is ready for The Home. He really needs to retire.

82 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:02:02pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

Yeah he got a bad deal and the film version portrayed him as an eccentric. The thing that was interesting though looking at his memoirs was that he said that he decided to learn Japanese in the early 20’s while a young naval officer. Interesting because I don’t think too many officers were looking at Japan as a potential key player for the U.S to deal with.

The Wikipedia entry on him mentions doing encryption/intelligence work in 1924-29 before being sent to Japan to learn Japanese between 1929-31. So it looks like someone in the intelligence community saw a need for officers to be learning Japanese. And by that time it was becoming obvious that Japan was going to be the most likely potential adversary in the Pacific.

83 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:02:05pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

Bryan Fischer says we should stay out of Syria because it’s “The Christian thing to do”.

I think he is just on some kinda crusade.

84 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:02:41pm

re: #83 Eventual Carrion

I think he is just on some kinda crusade.

A Crusade in his own Mind.

85 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:02:46pm

re: #81 FemNaziBitch

I’m going with my own Occam’s Razor explaination.

Bryan is ready for The Home. He really needs to retire.

Retire? He should have never started but yeah he always comes off to me as if he’s trying to one up Pat “We deserved 9-11” Robertson. Weirdest fundie moment today though was seeing that nut Swanson saying that people should wish death to newly wed LGBT couples but then in the same breath calling LGBT activists Nazis. Hurts my head.

86 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:03:33pm

re: #82 Feline Fearless Leader

The Wikipedia entry on him mentions doing encryption/intelligence work in 1924-29 before being sent to Japan to learn Japanese between 1929-31. So it looks like someone in the intelligence community saw a need for officers to be learning Japanese. And by that time it was becoming obvious that Japan was going to be the most likely potential adversary in the Pacific.

Interesting given the isolationist consensus at that time.

87 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:03:47pm

Fischer: Is President Obama Secretly A Muslim Who Is Lying About Being A Christian?

actually presnobama is an alien sent here from a distant planet specifically to seek out bryan fischer and eat him

88 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:05:12pm

re: #9 jaunte

Ugehay Ockshay!

I see you speak latin.

89 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:05:28pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Retire? He should have never started but yeah he always comes off to me as if he’s trying to one up Pat “We deserved 9-11” Robertson. Weirdest fundie moment today though was seeing that nut Swanson saying that people should wish death to newly wed LGBT couples but then in the same breath alling LGBT activists Nazis. Hurts my head.

He is living in another decade —in B&W world. I don’t think he even remembers in technicolor.

90 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:06:30pm

re: #79 Randall Gross

Here’s a selective search 2006 - 2008 you can see what was making the rounds back then:

google.com

Ha. A Linux backdoor! “No one here but us harmless Penquinistas.”

91 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:07:06pm

re: #89 FemNaziBitch

He is living in another decade —in B&W world. I don’t think he even remembers in technicolor.

I don’t know. I am just amused at how often these guys contradict themselves. One time you hear them claiming that gays are too weak and effeminate to serve in the armed forces and then the next you hear it was homosexuality that was the driving force behind militant German fascism of the Weimar Republic. As I said, it makes my head hurt.

92 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:07:09pm
93 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:07:32pm

Greenwald boasts that he ignored government requests not to publish the article:

94 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:07:53pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

I don’t know. I am just amused at how often these guys contradict themselves. One time you hear them claiming that gays are too weak and effeminate to serve in the armed forces and then the next you hear it was homosexuality that was the driving force behind militant German fascism of the Weimar Republic. As I said, it makes my head hurt.

Yeah, brain wiring isn’t what it used to be. I think he’s fried some connections and simply worn out the sheathing.

95 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:08:01pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Interesting given the isolationist consensus at that time.

One hopes that the isolationist sentiment of that time did not extend into organizations like the US military and intelligence community. They need to see the world as it is, untempered by illusions driving contemporary US politics.

The parallels with today’s military war gaming a navigable Arctic Ocean are clear.

96 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:09:12pm

re: #90 Decatur Deb

Ha. A Linux backdoor! “No one here but us harmless Penquinistas.”

It’s also worthy of note that infowars and others were running with this back then too. Bush was president, where was Greenwald then? Also note that some of the people pimping it had vested interests in sowing cybernoia.

97 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:09:19pm

Remember When?

Even tho I think it’s photoshopped.

98 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:09:26pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Greenwald boasts that he ignored government requests not to publish the article:

[Embedded content]

What a worthless selfserving little shit.

99 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:09:30pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

next up, Greenwald boasts of running with scissors indoors and going into the pool less than 30 minutes after a meal…..

100 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:10:17pm

re: #99 piratedan

next up, Greenwald boasts of running with scissors indoors and going into the pool less than 30 minutes after a meal…..

“YOU’RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!”

101 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:10:34pm

re: #95 EPR-radar

One hopes that the isolationist sentiment of that time did not extend into organizations like the US military and intelligence community. They need to see the world as it is, untempered by illusions driving contemporary US politics.

The parallels with today’s military war gaming a navigable Arctic Ocean are clear.

I would think that it didn’t given that the interwar military was producing officers like Eisenhower, Marshall, Bradley, and others. All whom seemed to have a vision of the world as you put it untempered by illusions driving contemporary politics. I’ll tell you this, one of the worst things to me about the attempts to revise Joseph McCarthy’s image is the fact that McCarthy called Marshall a Communist agent. Marshall, I think was one of the finest generals this country ever had. A true statesman.

102 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:11:15pm

re: #99 piratedan

next up, Greenwald boasts of running with scissors indoors and going into the pool less than 30 minutes after a meal…..

I had a cookie before dinner was ready. Giggle.

103 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:11:33pm

re: #99 piratedan

next up, Greenwald boasts of running with scissors indoors and going into the pool less than 30 minutes after a meal…..

If I were in Obama’s shoes, I’d suffer all this crap in complete silence until I had enough evidence/info in hand to persuade Brazil to extradite.

104 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:12:15pm

Wow. There aren’t enough facepalms.

105 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:13:52pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

“Whistleblowers” exposing….stuff

106 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:15:04pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Wow. There aren’t enough facepalms.

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I volunteer to facepalm the both of them, repeatedly.

107 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:15:50pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

The tweet is snark, right?

108 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:16:15pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

I would think that it didn’t given that the interwar military was producing officers like Eisenhower, Marshall, Bradley, and others. All whom seemed to have a vision of the world as you put it untempered by illusions driving contemporary politics. I’ll tell you this, one of the worst things to me about the attempts to revise Joseph McCarthy’s image is the fact that McCarthy called Marshall a Communist agent. Marshall, I think was one of the finest generals this country ever had. A true statesman.

The RW nutjobs are trying to rehabilitate McCarthy because they see that kind of reckless demagoguery as a model to emulate and follow. Revisionist history to improve McCarthy’s reputation is naturally required.

It is also telling that McCarthy railed against Eisenhower for being a communist (also a central plank of the John Birch society viewpoint).

Today’s wingnuts might not refer to Eisenhower as a communist (at least the ones that remember there is no longer the USSR boogieman), but they certainly view him as an enemy RINO.

109 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:17:14pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Yeah, Marshall was pretty f0cking awesome.

110 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:17:17pm

re: #107 Bulworth

The tweet is snark, right?

I don’t even know any more.

111 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:17:43pm

re: #108 EPR-radar

The RW nutjobs are trying to rehabilitate McCarthy because they see that kind of reckless demagoguery as a model to emulate and follow. Revisionist history to improve McCarthy’s reputation is naturally required.

It is also telling that McCarthy railed against Eisenhower for being a communist (also a central plank of the John Birch society viewpoint).

Today’s wingnuts might not refer to Eisenhower as a communist (at least the ones that remember there is no longer the USSR boogieman), but they certainly view him as an enemy RINO.

I think it all relates to Edward Bernays. It worked, it worked very well and we don’t have anyone to write a new script that works as well. People want their myths.

112 Charleston Chew  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:17:44pm

Wait until I tell Greenwald about the time I locked myself out of my car and a dude in a tow truck came and unlocked it.

GUARDIAN EXCLUSIVE: The privacy and security of our cars has been compromised!

113 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:18:32pm

re: #71 piratedan

Fischer: Clueless semi-sentient meat popsicle or just another religious ignorant duplicitous bastard?

Awww…can’t he be both? And more?

114 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:19:13pm

re: #113 ObserverArt

Awww…can’t he be both? And more?

He’s a floor wax AND a dessert topping!

115 AlexRogan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:19:21pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Wow. There aren’t enough facepalms.

NO SECRETS!!!*

*except for the WikiLeaks/glibertarian dudebros, who get all apoplectic if their secrets get spilled

116 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:19:39pm

re: #109 Bulworth

Yeah, Marshall was pretty f0cking awesome.

Marshall Plan FTW.

117 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:19:48pm

re: #107 Bulworth

The tweet is snark, right?

Absolutely not. That guy is totally serious. That entire conversation is a mind-blower.

118 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:20:17pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Watch his feet.// WND found out teh trooth about Obama because of his feet.

And look at his rings! Please…DO NOT OVERLOOK THE RINGS!!!

119 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:20:27pm

re: #111 FemNaziBitch

I think it all relates to Edward Bernays. It worked, it worked very well and we don’t have anyone to write a new script that works as well. People want their myths.

The Nazis (and other groups) learned well from American masters of the art of propaganda.

120 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:20:48pm

re: #108 EPR-radar

The RW nutjobs are trying to rehabilitate McCarthy because they see that kind of reckless demagoguery as a model to emulate and follow.

Well, that and the fact that McCarthy is one of the right’s heros. Normal people might think leaders like FDR, Truman, Francis Perkins, George C. Marshall, Ike, Kennedy, LBJ or MLK were heros. But the right hated all that New Deal, Fair Deal, Great Society, Civil Rights stuff. All they got is McCarthy.

121 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:20:49pm

re: #108 EPR-radar

The RW nutjobs are trying to rehabilitate McCarthy because they see that kind of reckless demagoguery as a model to emulate and follow. Revisionist history to improve McCarthy’s reputation is naturally required.

It is also telling that McCarthy railed against Eisenhower for being a communist (also a central plank of the John Birch society viewpoint).

Today’s wingnuts might not refer to Eisenhower as a communist (at least the ones that remember there is no longer the USSR boogieman), but they certainly view him as an enemy RINO.

Totally, I guess my point is the attacks on Eisenhower and Marshall are why the attempts to revise McCarthy’s historical reputation suck. And related to that is why I can never be a fan of William F. Buckley along with his opposition to Civil Rights.

122 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:21:26pm
123 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:21:36pm

re: #120 Bulworth

Well, that and the fact that McCarthy is one of the right’s heros. Normal people might think leaders like FDR, Truman, Francis Perkins, George C. Marshall, Ike, Kennedy, LBJ or MLK were heros. But the right hated all that New Deal, Fair Deal, Great Society, Civil Rights stuff. All they got is McCarthy.

Shit even Nixon looks decent compared to McCarthy. Nixon.

124 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:22:13pm

re: #112 Charleston Chew

REVEALED!!!

125 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:22:41pm

re: #118 ObserverArt

And look at his rings! Please…DO NOT OVERLOOK THE RINGS!!!

One Ring to Rule Them All

126 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:23:26pm

re: #120 Bulworth

Well, that and the fact that McCarthy is one of the right’s heros. Normal people might think leaders like FDR, Truman, Francis Perkins, George C. Marshall, Ike, Kennedy, LBJ or MLK were heros. But the right hated all that New Deal, Fair Deal, Great Society, Civil Rights stuff. All they got is McCarthy.

They might get around to rehabilitating George Wallace, if they can ever figure out a way to deal with the fact that he was a Democrat at the time of his advocacy for segregation.

127 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:23:35pm

re: #89 FemNaziBitch

He is living in another decade —in B&W world. I don’t think he even remembers in technicolor.

Pleasantville!

128 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:24:04pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Totally, I guess my point is the attacks on Eisenhower and Marshall are why the attempts to revise McCarthy’s historical reputation suck. And related to that is why I can never be a fan of William F. Buckley along with his opposition to Civil Rights.

I have to respect his instinct for kicking out the Religious Zealots. I don’t think I would have wanted to be neighbors with Buckley, but I would have enjoyed a good conversation with him. Interesting mind.

129 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:24:17pm

re: #127 ObserverArt

Pleasantville!

Ozzie and Harriet

130 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:24:35pm

I have two book credits on Audible.

What to buy?

131 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:25:27pm
132 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:27:11pm
133 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:29:37pm

re: #126 EPR-radar

They might get around to rehabilitating George Wallace, if they can ever figure out a way to deal with the fact that he was a Democrat at the time of his advocacy for segregation.

Rehabilitation is well in hand. If you don’t believe it, ask one of the kids in the dozen or so schools in the George C. Wallace State Community College System.

google.com

134 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:30:45pm

re: #108 EPR-radar

The RW nutjobs are trying to rehabilitate McCarthy because they see that kind of reckless demagoguery as a model to emulate and follow. Revisionist history to improve McCarthy’s reputation is naturally required.

It is also telling that McCarthy railed against Eisenhower for being a communist (also a central plank of the John Birch society viewpoint).

Today’s wingnuts might not refer to Eisenhower as a communist (at least the ones that remember there is no longer the USSR boogieman), but they certainly view him as an enemy RINO.

Too many forget about Ike. I admire him for things like the highway system, getting civil rights going a bit and also for warning us about who really was going to be the power in the country, the Military Industrial Complex in his last state of the Union Address.

135 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:31:07pm

re: #96 Randall Gross

It’s also worthy of note that infowars and others were running with this back then too. Bush was president, where was Greenwald then? Also note that some of the people pimping it had vested interests in sowing cybernoia.

He was praising Bush, if I recall correctly.

136 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:32:36pm
137 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:35:07pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Fucking idiots.

138 Randall Gross  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:35:42pm

If you are truly worried and need encryption I recommend that you go to the next generation recommendations linked at this page:
littlegreenfootballs.com

139 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:37:28pm

Apparently the AFA is declaring victory over Home Depot, despite Home Depot not changing a damn thing in the 3 years of the AFA boycott.

140 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:39:09pm

re: #139 Kragar

Apparently the AFA is declaring victory over Home Depot, despite Home Depot not changing a damn thing in the 3 years of the AFA boycott.

Seemed to be making money last time I was there.

Don’t know about Hobby Lobby, haven’t been there in a long time. …

141 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:43:28pm

Hey, GG, how do you “demonize” a thief and traitor when he actually is a thief and traitor?

How does that work in Glennlandia?

142 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:43:47pm

I very rarely earnestly wish for someone to burn in hell, but I think I’ve reached my tipping point.

How Pat Robertson Raised Millions on the Back of a Non-Existent Aid Project

143 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:44:12pm


Indeed.

144 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:44:28pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

GG is conformist?

145 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:45:36pm

re: #142 Kragar

I very rarely earnestly wish for someone to burn in hell, but I think I’ve reached my tipping point.

How Pat Robertson Raised Millions on the Back of a Non-Existent Aid Project

Well, that kind of shit always makes me wish there was a hell.

146 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:46:37pm

re: #138 Randall Gross

If you are truly worried and need encryption

by the third or fourth glass of whiskey i am usually fully encrypted

147 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:46:42pm
148 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:47:09pm

re: #145 Justanotherhuman

To this day, Robertson continues to solicit donations on the back of the project, on the grounds that although the farm failed, it left a legacy with a school that established a “foundation of education” in the town. 2011 posting on the Operation Blessing website described the school as “thriving”.

“Despite the turbulence over the years, the children of Dumi still gather to learn and grow in the little school house on the plateau,” it said.

Yet Mission Congo visited the Dumi school at the same time and filmed it abandoned, stripped of its desks and falling down.

Similarly, local leaders in Kamonia said that they were promised schools, roads and a hospital by Robertson’s mining company - but none of it materialised.

Robertson’s activities in Congo were initially exposed by a Virginia newspaper, the Virginian Pilot, in the 1990s. The investigation by Bill Sizemore prompted the attorney general in Virginia, where Operation Blessing is registered, to order a probe by the state’s office of consumer affairs.

Its report concluded that Robertson made “fraudulent and deceptive” statements with claims to be ferrying doctors and medical aid to Goma when he was delivering diamond-mining equipment. It accused Operation Blessing of “misrepresenting” what its flights were doing, and of saying that the airstrip at Kamonia was part of the aid operation when it was “for the benefit of ADC’s mining operation”.

149 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:47:11pm

re: #145 Justanotherhuman

Well, that kind of shit always makes me wish there was a hell.

Oh yes, for this there really should be a Hell, with Robertson eternally hip deep in molten lead.

150 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:47:48pm

I decided to go with The Game of Thrones. Since I think I’m the only person in the world who hasn’t read it.

Have one credit left. I wait and see if I want to get the 2nd in the series.

151 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:47:53pm

people who are clearly less intelligent than us

personally i’m not clear on who is less intelligent than people who say things like this

152 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:47:54pm

re: #146 dog philosopher

by the third or fourth glass of whiskey i am usually fully encrypted

I just convert all my stuff phonetically to Navajo.

153 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:48:27pm

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

I decided to go with The Game of Thrones. Since I think I’m the only person in the world who hasn’t read it.

Have one credit left. I wait and see if I want to get the 2nd in the series.

Meh.

154 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:48:56pm

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

I decided to go with The Game of Thrones. Since I think I’m the only person in the world who hasn’t read it.

Have one credit left. I wait and see if I want to get the 2nd in the series.

i enjoyed it

155 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:49:22pm

re: #151 dog philosopher

people who are clearly less intelligent than us

personally i’m not clear on who is less intelligent than people who say things like this

The OTHERS!! You know, them. (shh)

156 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:49:35pm

re: #152 Kragar

I just convert all my stuff phonetically to Navajo.

It’s sufficiently confusing if I just write everything in ‘clear’.

157 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:49:38pm

“But some of the most damaging criticism of Robertson comes from former aid workers at Operation Blessing, who describe how mercy flights to save refugees were diverted hundreds of miles from the crisis to deliver equipment to a diamond mining concession run by the televangelist.”

He can’t burn in hell cause he’s Satan.

158 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:49:58pm

re: #149 EPR-radar

Oh yes, for this there really should be a Hell, with Robertson eternally hip deep in molten lead.

him and Zimmerman. OMG, did you see that Upworthy video with Moses and Jesus?

159 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:50:15pm

re: #148 Kragar

How special. Robertson protects his own diamond mining interests (this probably amounts to trafficking in blood/conflict diamonds), and then has the nerve to pass off humanitarian work done by MSF as the result of his group’s efforts.

160 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:50:42pm

re: #147 Dr. Matt

WTF? —> Goldine Advert on LGF

Charles is an equal opportunity advertiser.

161 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:51:01pm

re: #151 dog philosopher

people who are clearly less intelligent than us

personally i’m not clear on who is less intelligent than people who say things like this

The “I think I’m trustworthy, therefore the Government must think I’m a danger because they kept this a secret from me!” school of thought.

Never mind the whole “need to know” aspect of intelligence operations.

162 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:51:41pm

re: #146 dog philosopher

by the third or fourth glass of whiskey i am usually fully encrypted

Yeah, by then no one can understand what’s coming out of my mouth either.

163 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:52:18pm

re: #148 Kragar

So what happened to the “probe”? Led nowhere because palms were greased and favors called in?

164 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:52:24pm

re: #145 Justanotherhuman

Well, that kind of shit always makes me wish there was a hell.

What makes guys like this crazy is the idea that when they die, that will be it. No glory, no clouds, or “I told you so-s”. It will just be over. NO more Pat and few people will really care or remember in 20 years.

Their ego’s just can’t handle it. After all, THEY were made in the image of G-d!

165 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:52:39pm

I read the first 3 GoT books, then tossed up my hands and said “Fuck it.”

And I made it threw the Wheel of Time, rereading all the books every time a new one came out.

166 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:52:49pm

re: #161 Kragar

The “I think I’m trustworthy, therefore the Government must think I’m a danger because they kept this a secret from me!” school of thought.

Never mind the whole “need to know” aspect of intelligence operations.

I’m from the I don’t want to know category.

167 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:53:16pm

re: #163 Justanotherhuman

So what happened to the “probe”? Led nowhere because palms were greased and favors called in?

“Virginian authorities declined to prosecute Robertson, describing his misrepresentations as a “blemish”. Mission Congo notes that leading state politicians were recipients of large donations from Robertson.”

168 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:53:19pm

re: #165 Kragar

I read the first 3 GoT books, then tossed up my hands and said “Fuck it.”

And I made it threw the Wheel of Time, rereading all the books every time a new one came out.

So, you think they were good?

169 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:54:30pm

Think Pat has ever donated to The City of Joy?

170 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:54:40pm

re: #142 Kragar

I very rarely earnestly wish for someone to burn in hell, but I think I’ve reached my tipping point.

How Pat Robertson Raised Millions on the Back of a Non-Existent Aid Project

Well imagine my surprise because I seem to have misplaced it!

If there is NSA spying going on, maybe GreenWalden and Snowclown could tell us how the ol’ preachers accounting books look.

171 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:55:18pm

WE need more Freddie Mercury.

172 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:56:16pm

re: #170 ObserverArt

Well imagine my surprise because I seem to have misplaced it!

If there is NSA spying going on, maybe GreenWalden and Snowclown could tell us how the ol’ preachers accounting books look.

Has Assange done the investigation?

173 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:56:50pm

re: #165 Kragar

I read the first 3 GoT books, then tossed up my hands and said “Fuck it.”

And I made it threw the Wheel of Time, rereading all the books every time a new one came out.

I just finished “A Crown of Swords”. Don’t be a spoiler for the last ones!

174 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:56:50pm

re: #165 Kragar

I read the first 3 GoT books, then tossed up my hands and said “Fuck it.”

And I made it threw the Wheel of Time, rereading all the books every time a new one came out.

I did GoT via audiobook after the first one.
Much better that way.
I stopped WoT at Winter’s Heart and never looked back.

175 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:57:54pm

re: #168 FemNaziBitch

So, you think they were good?

GoT just seemed Meh to me. After the third book, I just had no real desire to see what happened next.

176 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:58:00pm

Seriously, this is the kind of thing we need Wikileaks for. Bad Preachers.

177 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:58:52pm

re: #168 FemNaziBitch

So, you think they were good?

I like his juggling all those characters together/against each other.

178 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 2:59:33pm

re: #167 Kragar

“Virginian authorities declined to prosecute Robertson, describing his misrepresentations as a “blemish”. Mission Congo notes that leading state politicians were recipients of large donations from Robertson.”

What would it take to assemble a class action lawsuit of donors?

Lawhawk? Anyone?

179 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:01:45pm
180 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:02:19pm

(Pretty sure he meant “Stockholm.”)

181 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:02:35pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Stickholm

Home of Stick Figures!!
/

182 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:02:40pm

re: #178 Decatur Deb

What would it take to assemble a class action lawsuit of donors?

Lawhawk? Anyone?

The problem is how many would actually join a class-action lawsuit? Many of Robertson’s followers are of the mind that he can do no wrong; they will simply never see him for the ruthless conman he really is.

183 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:03:44pm
184 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:04:04pm

re: #176 FemNaziBitch

Seriously, this is the kind of thing we need Wikileaks for. Bad Preachers.


National Day of Prayer Leader in South Mississippi Charged with Fraud, Extortion, Embezzlement, Perjury, and More

185 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:04:20pm

I’m on a Freddie kick. Bear with me, or enjoy.

186 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:05:33pm

re: #182 Dr Lizardo

The problem is how many would actually join a class-action lawsuit? Many of Robertson’s followers are of the mind that he can do no wrong; they will simply never see him for the ruthless conman he really is.

Don’t know how many constitute a ‘class’. Not a large proportion, for what I know. If the documentary gets a lot of play it might bring some out.

Did you see my link on Czechoslovakia/Pittsburgh?
brooklineconnection.com

187 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:09:36pm

re: #186 Decatur Deb

Don’t know how many constitute a ‘class’

I think it’s three less than a gaggle

No,, wait ,, that’s geese,,, nevahmind!!

188 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:11:46pm

re: #187 sattv4u2

Don’t know how many constitute a ‘class’

I think it’s three less than a gaggle

No,, wait ,, that’s geese,,, nevahmind!!

Silly goose.

189 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:11:57pm

re: #186 Decatur Deb

Don’t know how many constitute a ‘class’. Not a large proportion, for what I know. If the documentary gets a lot of play it might bring some out.

Did you see my link on Czechoslovakia/Pittsburgh?
brooklineconnection.com

Very cool link on the Pittsburgh Agreement. Thanks for posting. It was also interesting to see the map by regions; Bohemia, Moravia-Silesia (where I currently reside), Slovakia, etc.

Slovakia is interesting, actually. Bratislava is a very nice capital city - like Prague, but without the hordes of tourists. Less expensive as well, relatively speaking.

And good night, Lizards. Long day today.

190 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:12:35pm

re: #188 b_sharp

Silly goose.

That quacked me up

191 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:14:02pm

re: #190 sattv4u2

That quacked me up

I’d take a gander, but I’m afraid of what I might see.

192 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:14:52pm

re: #191 b_sharp

I’d take a gander, but I’m afraid of what I might see.

I’m down with that

193 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:15:20pm

re: #191 b_sharp

Quill you let me look later?

194 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:15:38pm

re: #191 b_sharp

I’d take a gander, but I’m afraid of what I might see.

Ryan Gosling?

195 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:16:33pm

re: #191 b_sharp

I’d take a gander, but I’m afraid of what I might see.

Yeah, it could be your swan song.

196 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:16:40pm

Humans don’t come in classes, ganders or murders. They come in litters.

197 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:16:55pm

I suddenly have a craving for duck rillette…or maybe some confit.

198 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:17:00pm

re: #164 FemNaziBitch

What makes guys like this crazy is the idea that when they die, that will be it. No glory, no clouds, or “I told you so-s”. It will just be over. NO more Pat and few people will really care or remember in 20 years.

Their ego’s just can’t handle it. After all, THEY were made in the image of G-d!

Gid? Gad? Ged? Gyd?

199 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:17:42pm

re: #196 FemNaziBitch

Humans don’t come in classes, ganders or murders. They come in litters.

Dr. Pepper comes in cans - hey, who am I to question a doctor?

200 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:18:42pm

re: #196 FemNaziBitch

Humans don’t come in classes, ganders or murders. They come in litters.

Elephants come in litres.

201 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:18:45pm

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

Very cool link on the Pittsburgh Agreement. Thanks for posting. It was also interesting to see the map by regions; Bohemia, Moravia-Silesia (where I currently reside), Slovakia, etc.

Slovakia is interesting, actually. Bratislava is a very nice capital city - like Prague, but without the hordes of tourists. Less expensive as well, relatively speaking.

And good night, Lizards. Long day today.

Very kewl.

202 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:19:27pm

re: #198 b_sharp

Gid? Gad? Ged? Gyd?

I don’t think you can conjugate a noun. G-d is a noun, as understand it.

203 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:19:44pm

Shit floats.

What’s up with that?

204 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:19:49pm

re: #200 b_sharp

Elephants come in litres.

And believe me, I’ll watch out for that next time!

205 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:20:25pm

re: #202 FemNaziBitch

I don’t think you can conjugate a noun. G-d is a noun, as understand it.

Not even conjugal nouns?

206 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:20:35pm

In 2004, he [bryan fischer] co-founded the Keep the Commandments Coalition, a group dedicated to keeping a Ten Commandments monument in Julia Davis Park in Boise, Idaho

wingnut concept of “keeping the 10 commandments” means keeping a physical copy of it somewhere

understanding and living it - not important

207 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:20:56pm

Great MST3k lines: Agent for H.A.R.M.

Barbara Bouchet: “Are you coming or do I swim alone?”
Crow: “Yes and yes.”

208 MyLGFname  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:21:14pm

The biggest issues regarding this article:
1: This is done via backdoor method w/ the help of the corporations.
2: The encryption that most of the internet relies on is now broken. This is a lot bigger issue for corporations and governments than individuals.

209 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:22:05pm

re: #202 FemNaziBitch

I don’t think you can conjugate a noun. G-d is a noun, as understand it.

nouns and adjectives are ‘declined’, since they are well behaved and polite

verbs are ‘conjugated’ because they can move around and get wild and crazy

210 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:22:14pm

re: #206 dog philosopher

In 2004, he [bryan fischer] co-founded the Keep the Commandments Coalition, a group dedicated to keeping a Ten Commandments monument in Julia Davis Park in Boise, Idaho

wingnut concept of “keeping the 10 commandments” means keeping a physical copy of it somewhere

understanding and living it - not important

‘Cause if it ain’t right in front of them, they’re libel to do somethong horrible like fornicate.

211 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:22:52pm

re: #205 b_sharp

Not even conjugal nouns?

You know, as long as it’s consensual.

212 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:23:07pm

Time to go get some food.

BBL

213 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:23:37pm

re: #205 b_sharp

Not even conjugal nouns?

Nuns aren’t conjugal.

214 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:24:03pm

re: #212 b_sharp

Time to go get some food.

BBL

That’s what the dogs are telling me.

215 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:24:44pm

I shall leave you with this.

216 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:24:51pm

re: #210 b_sharp

‘Cause if it ain’t right in front of them, they’re libel to do somethong horrible like fornicate.

More likely, these loud evangelical preacher types want a visible symbol to use as fodder for the fantasies they have when the cameras are off and the toys are out.

217 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:24:52pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

Nuns aren’t conjugal.

that’s why there is nun left

218 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:25:14pm

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

I decided to go with The Game of Thrones. Since I think I’m the only person in the world who hasn’t read it.

Have one credit left. I wait and see if I want to get the 2nd in the series.

Don’t get too attached to any of the characters.

Seriously.

219 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:25:20pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

Nuns aren’t conjugal.

Not bad for a convent in a small community.

220 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:25:27pm

re: #217 dog philosopher

that’s why there is nun left

Also why it’s nunya business

221 Jayleia  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:26:05pm

re: #208 MyLGFname

If you’d asked me before I was told this, I would have guessed that they probably did have it, and probably via backdoor. Spies spy.

But having the ability to decrypt doesn’t mean its being used on EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE.

222 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:26:48pm

re: #208 MyLGFname

Sorry I missed your actual hatching (because I would have given it a ding, too) but please accept my belated hatchling greetings.

223 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:30:07pm

re: #208 MyLGFname

Please describe how the encryption is “broken”, as you so quaintly put it.

224 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:30:29pm

Missed this earlier:

This is the first entry tagged: Duh

225 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:30:56pm

So here’s a list of a new clients channels that we’ll be broadcasting

The Erotic Networks
Hustler TV USA
Manhandle XX.5
Cheap Thrills
Xtsy XXX
Juicy
Real
Penthouse TV
Xtsy XX.5
TEN
Manhandle XXX
Freaky

I sure hope there’s some sports at times!!!

226 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:31:03pm

False alarm.

I have to wait to get something to eat until the crab apples are squeezed.

227 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:31:18pm

re: #208 MyLGFname

The biggest issues regarding this article:
1: This is done via backdoor method w/ the help of the corporations.
2: The encryption that most of the internet relies on is now broken. This is a lot bigger issue for corporations and governments than individuals.

If the article’s accurate (a big IF) it’s been broken for three years. Somehow we’ve avoided apocalypse.

228 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:31:33pm

re: #226 b_sharp

False alarm.

I have to wait to get something to eat until the crab apples are squeezed.

Is that what you kids call it nowadays!?!?!

229 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:32:15pm

re: #228 sattv4u2

Is that what you kids call it nowadays!?!?!

Damned straight.

Squeeze those lemons is just so ’70s.

230 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:32:41pm

re: #225 sattv4u2

So here’s a list of a new clients channels that we’ll be broadcasting

The Erotic Networks
Hustler TV USA
Manhandle XX.5
Cheap Thrills
Xtsy XXX
Juicy
Real
Penthouse TV
Xtsy XX.5
TEN
Manhandle XXX
Freaky

I sure hope there’s some sports at times!!!

You play what you want to play…

231 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:32:56pm

As for the claims about backdoors and secret deals, I’ll allow 24-48 hours for the truth to come out, as it always does with these exaggerated piles of nothingness.

232 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:33:14pm

re: #230 Decatur Deb

You play what you want to play…

It involves balls, right?

233 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:34:20pm

re: #232 sattv4u2

It involves balls, right?

Curling stones.

Image: 8342.jpg

234 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:34:33pm

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

I decided to go with The Game of Thrones. Since I think I’m the only person in the world who hasn’t read it.

Have one credit left. I wait and see if I want to get the 2nd in the series.

Hope you like it more than I did. I got about 3/4 of the way through the first book. Post modern fantasy where even the protagonists would have a hard time being considered even anti-heros, no one has any honor and there is more gratuitous killing than of indians in an old western serial.

I was unimpressed. I’d recommend The Fionavar Tapestry trilogy instead en.wikipedia.org

235 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:35:56pm

re: #221 Jayleia

If you’d asked me before I was told this, I would have guessed that they probably did have it, and probably via backdoor. Spies spy.

But having the ability to decrypt doesn’t mean its being used on EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE.

The article somehow omits mentioning it, but no data is being decrypted without an individual warrant.

This is why Greenwald keeps trying to confuse the issue of abilities with the issue of actions. Gullible people who aren’t tech savvy enough to realize how absurd the idea is will get the impression that the NSA is decrypting everything.

236 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:36:39pm

re: #233 Decatur Deb

Curling stones.

Image: 8342.jpg

i don’t EVEN want to know how you use this to do that!!

Image: INFCD117C+You+Curl1.jpg

237 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:36:45pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

If the article’s accurate (a big IF) it’s been broken for three years. Somehow we’ve avoided apocalypse.

Encryption on a mass scale can never, ever, ever be assumed to be secure. Even leaving aside the ways that you can use social engineering to defeat crypto, look at how many times in the WWII the opposing sides broke each other’s codes without their knowledge.

238 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:37:36pm

One of the key elements to information security is to make sure outsiders don’t get access to the information in the first place. Real security people know that no encryption will stand up to a sustained attack against it. The idea is to make it not worth the while for most users to bother trying to crack it, and to give your organization time to locate, retrieve or otherwise mitigate the data that was leaked. This could mean introducing new security making the data harder to access, informing users their data was compromised, destroying the data before it can be decrypted, etc.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

239 PeterWolf  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:37:49pm

I didn’t see a single encryption standard mentioned in the article. Just the bogeyman of ‘encryption’. Sounds like more weaseling from the weasel.

240 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:38:45pm

re: #234 William Barnett-Lewis

Hope you like it more than I did. I got about 3/4 of the way through the first book. Post modern fantasy where even the protagonists would have a hard time being considered even anti-heros, no one has any honor and there is more gratuitous killing than of indians in an old western serial.

I was unimpressed. I’d recommend The Fionavar Tapestry trilogy instead en.wikipedia.org

Horus Heresy; books 1-3

241 Bubblehead II  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:38:51pm

The road trip from hell.

Elon Musk’s Tesla family road trip

Musk says he plans to take a 6-day cross country car trip with his five sons at the end of the year.

242 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:39:00pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

As for the claims about backdoors and secret deals, I’ll allow 24-48 hours for the truth to come out, as it always does with these exaggerated piles of nothingness.

Yeah, backdoors into encryption standards wouldn’t be a complete shocker, but this whole conspiracy-theory argument about it being some uber-secret deal between corporations and Big Government (tm) sets my BS meter off. There’s a lot more going on than what we’re told, as is usual with Teh GG and his puppets.

243 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:40:49pm

Tim Steller live-tweeted a town hall meeting with John McCain in Tucson today.








There are more on his feed.

244 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:40:54pm

re: #240 Kragar

Bujold has a couple of other series out too, the Sharing Knife and Chalion books, both worth a read imho

245 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:41:18pm

re: #225 sattv4u2

So here’s a list of a new clients channels that we’ll be broadcasting

The Erotic Networks
Hustler TV USA
Manhandle XX.5
Cheap Thrills
Xtsy XXX
Juicy
Real
Penthouse TV
Xtsy XX.5
TEN
Manhandle XXX
Freaky

I sure hope there’s some sports at times!!!

Sponsored by Carl Jr’s Big Ass Fries!

246 klys  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:42:31pm

re: #244 piratedan

Bujold has a couple of other series out too, the Sharing Knife and Chalion books, both worth a read imho

I adore the Chalion series. And the audiobook for the first one is fantastic.

247 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:43:38pm

re: #244 piratedan

Bujold has a couple of other series out too, the Sharing Knife and Chalion books, both worth a read imho

Reading the Ex-Heroes books by Peter Clines right now. A super hero universe where a zombie apocalypse broke out.

248 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:45:31pm

re: #202 FemNaziBitch

You are correct. Verbs can be conjugated. thefreedictionary.com

249 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:45:39pm

re: #244 piratedan

Bujold has a couple of other series out too, the Sharing Knife and Chalion books, both worth a read imho

The Horus Heresy series is actually a shared universe with multiple authors telling different parts of the story. Books 1-3 are a trilogy that detail how the war broke out.

250 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:46:05pm

OT: God DRM sucks.

I downloaded an MP3 off Amazon to use in a slideshow for a funeral only to find out that, because of DRM, I couldn’t import the song into the program I was using.

So I had to basically pirate the song to get it to work the way I wanted it to.

251 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:48:19pm

re: #250 Eclectic Cyborg

OT: God DRM sucks.

I downloaded an MP3 off Amazon to use in a slideshow for a funeral only to find out that, because of DRM, I couldn’t import the song into the program I was using.

So I had to basically pirate the song to get it to work the way I wanted it to.

Burn to audio cd and rip it?

252 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:49:06pm

re: #249 Kragar

I’ll keep an eye out for that, atm slowly wading my way through Stephenson’s Baroque cycle…. and I have some new Child and Grafton ordered as well, plus the latest Liaden book…. but always looking to branch into something new and interesting

253 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:49:28pm

re: #250 Eclectic Cyborg

OT: God DRM sucks.

I downloaded an MP3 off Amazon to use in a slideshow for a funeral only to find out that, because of DRM, I couldn’t import the song into the program I was using.

So I had to basically pirate the song to get it to work the way I wanted to.

Legally use the file you bought and paid for? How DARE you.

254 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:50:11pm

If “privacy” is understood by glibertarians as the ability to keep criminal activity to oneself, then it makes sense that they are protesting this so loudly and vigorously. It’s one reason GG is protesting so much about how Snowden is being “treated”.

Not just that, it also means that they don’t understand the Constitutional requirement that gives the state the ability to make laws to prevent the kind of criminal anarchy and disorder the glibertarians would wish on the rest of us.

Our history as a country is rife with laws that are unjust and which we, as individuals and groups of people, are constantly challenging and correcting, whether criminal or civil.

The place to do that is in the courts and through legislation, buttressed by political activity, such as any civil rights movement, not by individual theft, subterfuge and traitorous activities.

255 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:54:27pm

re: #254 Justanotherhuman

Spot on. The Snowden as whistleblower concept died an early death in this whole mess. As soon as Snowden headed off to foreign countries to avoid facing the charges, the “whistle blowing” idea became completely irrelevant.

256 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:54:30pm

re: #99 piratedan

next up, Greenwald boasts of running with scissors indoors and going into the pool less than 30 minutes after a meal…..

and uses a hair dryer while listening to a radio plugged into the wall WHILE HE TAKES A BUBBLE BATH!!!!

257 AlexRogan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:54:33pm

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

Very cool link on the Pittsburgh Agreement. Thanks for posting. It was also interesting to see the map by regions; Bohemia, Moravia-Silesia (where I currently reside), Slovakia, etc.

Slovakia is interesting, actually. Bratislava is a very nice capital city - like Prague, but without the hordes of tourists. Less expensive as well, relatively speaking.

And good night, Lizards. Long day today.

The only reason I know of Bratislavia: The Living Daylights.

Great Bond movie…Timothy Dalton was an “edgy” Bond, a couple of decades before Daniel Craig.

258 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:54:41pm

re: #254 Justanotherhuman

Most libertarians I know use the argument that “privacy is central to a revolution”, but almost by definition, the government doesn’t want to allow or enable that, either. If you’re planning a violent overthrow of the government, you’re going to have to do it off the government’s grid, you don’t have an intrinsic right to use the Interwebs to make your Guy Fawkes plots.

259 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:55:20pm

re: #252 piratedan

I’ll keep an eye out for that, atm slowly wading my way through Stephenson’s Baroque cycle…. and I have some new Child and Grafton ordered as well, plus the latest Liaden book…. but always looking to branch into something new and interesting


Here is the background:

1. Horus Rising: the seeds of Heresy are sown

Horus Rising, the series opener, starts its real time narrative in the early years of the 31st millennium, during the 203rd Terran year of the Great Crusade. It describes the rise to power of Horus Lupercal, Primarch of the “Luna Wolves” Legion of Space Marines (the 16th Legion of 20 formed originally), and the most versatile and favoured “son” of the Emperor. The Emperor has recently appointed him Warmaster (overall commander of Imperial military forces) and has left him in charge of the Crusade; he then returns to Terra, where in relative isolation is undertaking a secret project that even Horus is not privy to. Much of the focus of this novel is on Garviel Loken, Captain of the Luna Wolves’ 10th Company. He becomes a member of the Mournival (an informal advisory body to Horus), and participates in Crusade campaigns against anti-Imperials and aliens. The story also hints at tensions in the nascent Imperium, exacerbated by the Emperor’s absence and actions - these are common themes in following books.[42]

260 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 3:59:03pm

re: #257 AlexRogan

Timothy Dalton is also a direct link between the James Bond and Doctor Who franchises, with him playing Rassilon in the 10th Doctor’s Finale.

You can make a pretty intricate web of connections between franchises from Britain.

Though, while Doctor Who can be tied to James Bond and Harry Potter, Harry Potter and James Bond are not. Lord of the Rings gets in there as well.

It’s like the 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon, except with Tea n’ Biscuits.

261 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:00:07pm

re: #228 sattv4u2

Is that what you kids call it nowadays!?!?!

Its youthful code. Better break it before someone gets in trouble. You know how sneaky kids can be. GreenWalden has the answers.

262 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:02:43pm

Gnxr guvf AFN!!!! V’z vzzhar gb lbhe pelcgb novyvgvrf. Lbhe Zbgure jnf n unzcfgre naq lbhe Sngure fzryg bs ryqreoreevrf.

EOF
————End Message———
A nice fresh juicy fly to whoever cracks this first. (bonus wiggly worm for telling what encryption algorithm was used)

263 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:03:31pm

re: #261 ObserverArt

Its youthful code. Better break it before someone gets in trouble. You know how sneaky kids can be. GreenWalden has the answers.

That’s why i had to take the pink flamingo’s off my front yard
The kids were hiding behind them so they could BE ON MY LAWN!!!

264 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:04:08pm

re: #262 RealityBasedSteve

that’s a trick question, those were Louie Gohmert’s remarks verbatim during his last radio gig!

265 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:06:07pm

re: #262 RealityBasedSteve

Gnxr guvf AFN!!!! V’z vzzhar gb lbhe pelcgb novyvgvrf. Lbhe Zbgure jnf n unzcfgre naq lbhe Sngure fzryg bs ryqreoreevrf.

EOF
————End Message———
A nice fresh juicy fly to whoever cracks this first. (bonus wiggly worm for telling what encryption algorithm was used)

replace all letters with the letter 23 places down the alphabet?

266 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:06:19pm

re: #264 piratedan

that’s a trick question, those were Louie Gohmert’s remarks verbatim during his last radio gig!

ZOMG! That was a diet ginger ale out the nostrils post.

RBS

267 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:06:21pm

re: #252 piratedan

I’ll keep an eye out for that, atm slowly wading my way through Stephenson’s Baroque cycle…. and I have some new Child and Grafton ordered as well, plus the latest Liaden book…. but always looking to branch into something new and interesting

I’m rereading the Baroque Cycle for the 7th time.

268 piratedan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:08:24pm

re: #267 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I gotta say, I have to be in the mood for it, it’s not sit down and casually bop through the story stuff, either its dense or I am (I’d lay odds on myself)

269 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:10:52pm

re: #262 RealityBasedSteve

Gnxr guvf AFN!!!! V’z vzzhar gb lbhe pelcgb novyvgvrf. Lbhe Zbgure jnf n unzcfgre naq lbhe Sngure fzryg bs ryqreoreevrf.

EOF
————End Message———
A nice fresh juicy fly to whoever cracks this first. (bonus wiggly worm for telling what encryption algorithm was used)

Gnxr guvf AFN!!!! V’z vzzhar gb lbhe pelcgb novyvgvrf.
take this NSA!!!! I’m immune to your crypto abilities.

you can keep the flies and worms

270 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:11:54pm

Seen on FB shared by someone I thought was smart. She posted it saying “think on this for one, two seconds”.
All I could think was WTF???
Talk about false equivalencies…

Meme graphic: Pearl Harbor not actually an act of war…

my head hurts…

271 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:12:47pm

re: #260 ProTARDISLiberal

You can make a pretty intricate web of connections between franchises from Britain.

It’s only a small country, after all. They only have a limited number of actors. That’s probably why their ‘series’ only last 6 or so episodes, because if they lasted 13 or 26, they’d run out of actors!
//

272 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:13:58pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seen on FB shared by someone I thought was smart. She posted it saying “think on this for one, two seconds”.
All I could think was WTF???
Talk about false equivalencies…

Meme graphic: Pearl Harbor not actually an act of war…

my head hurts…

So the invasion of the Philippines 10 hours later was…

273 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:15:01pm

re: #262 RealityBasedSteve

Gnxr guvf AFN!!!! V’z vzzhar gb lbhe pelcgb novyvgvrf. Lbhe Zbgure jnf n unzcfgre naq lbhe Sngure fzryg bs ryqreoreevrf.

Is that you, Grundoon?

274 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:15:07pm

Lbhe Zbgure jnf n unzcfgre naq lbhe Sngure fzryg bs ryqreoreevrf.
your Mother was a hampster and your Father smelt of elderberries.

275 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:15:22pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seen on FB shared by someone I thought was smart. She posted it saying “think on this for one, two seconds”.
All I could think was WTF???
Talk about false equivalencies…

Meme graphic: Pearl Harbor not actually an act of war…

my head hurts…

Is anyone even arguing that an airstrike/missile launch isn’t an act of war?

276 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:16:19pm

hampster

big hipster fan of lionel hampton?

277 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:16:27pm

re: #275 Decatur Deb

Is anyone even arguing that an airstrike/missile launch isn’t an act of war?

No, but don’t let that get in the way of a Dudebro meme.

278 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:16:28pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

The grain of truth under this mountain of exaggeration is that of course a US strike on the Assad regime in Syria is an act of war.

279 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:18:06pm

re: #275 Decatur Deb

Is anyone even arguing that an airstrike/missile launch isn’t an act of war?

Sufficiently devoted hawks might try to say this isn’t an act of war, therefore the President can do it on his own without dealing with Congress.

Rather a moot point since Obama decided to get Congress involved.

280 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:18:23pm

re: #275 Decatur Deb

Is anyone even arguing that an airstrike/missile launch isn’t an act of war?

That’s a self-igniting straw man.

281 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:19:09pm

re: #272 Kragar

So the invasion of the Philippines 10 hours later was…

Pure coincidence.

282 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:20:47pm

I have seen the meme floated that since Syria is one of about 5 countries that isn’t a signatory of the International Convention on Chemical Weapons that it’s not illegal for them to use them within their own borders. Not buying that one either.

RBS

283 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:21:49pm

The art of sandwich making part 885. Grilled chicken, pepper jack cheese, Greek yogurt sauce on Italian white. Delish.

284 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:22:46pm

re: #225 sattv4u2

So here’s a list of a new clients channels that we’ll be broadcasting

The Erotic Networks
Hustler TV USA
Manhandle XX.5
Cheap Thrills
Xtsy XXX
Juicy
Real
Penthouse TV
Xtsy XX.5
TEN
Manhandle XXX
Freaky

I sure hope there’s some sports at times!!!

I feel sticky.

285 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:23:36pm

re: #282 RealityBasedSteve

I have seen the meme floated that since Syria is one of about 5 countries that isn’t a signatory of the International Convention on Chemical Weapons that it’s not illegal for them to use them within their own borders. Not buying that one either.

RBS

I believe that’s the same logic that Japan used to justify their terrible treatment of Allied POWs in WWII. In otherwords, it’s something we haven’t accepted in the past and shouldn’t now. God I get why people are reluctant about conflict. I really really do but Assad’s the bad guy here not the administration.

286 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:23:41pm

re: #284 Amory Blaine

I feel sticky.

“I feel sticky! Oh, so sticky! It’s just icky, how sticky I feeeeel!”

287 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:23:47pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

The art of sandwich making part 885. Grilled chicken, pepper jack cheese, Greek yogurt sauce on Italian white. Delish.

Throw a schmear of Hummus on the bread (bottom piece). It’s super.

RBS

288 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:23:49pm

re: #282 RealityBasedSteve

I have seen the meme floated that since Syria is one of about 5 countries that isn’t a signatory of the International Convention on Chemical Weapons that it’s not illegal for them to use them within their own borders. Not buying that one either.

RBS

Right you are. It looks like Syria did agree to the Geneva convention relating to the use of chemical weapons, which the regime has apparently violated.

en.wikipedia.org

289 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:23:52pm

No surprise here…

George Zimmerman’s wife files for divorce

orlandosentinel.com

290 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:24:36pm

re: #287 RealityBasedSteve

Throw a schmear of Hummus on the bread (bottom piece). It’s super.

RBS

Damn that’s a good idea. I’ll do that next time.

291 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:24:58pm

re: #289 Justanotherhuman

No surprise here…

George Zimmerman’s wife files for divorce

orlandosentinel.com

Ted Nugent blames Treyvon in 4-3-2-1.

292 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:25:07pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

The art of sandwich making part 885. Grilled chicken, pepper jack cheese, Greek yogurt sauce on Italian white. Delish.

Even better on my homemade whole wheat bread. : )

293 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:27:15pm

Two years and three days ago, Greenwald said the reason Wikileaks released all the files they stole is because they were forced to.

[…]

Despite the fault fairly assigned to WikiLeaks, one point should be absolutely clear: there was nothing intentional about WikiLeaks’ publication of the cables in unredacted form. They ultimately had no choice. Ever since WikiLekas was widely criticized (including by me) for publishing Afghan War documents without redacting the names of some sources (though much blame also lay with the U.S. Government for rebuffing its request for redaction advice), the group has been meticulous about protecting the identity of innocents. The New York Times’ Scott Shane today describes “efforts by WikiLeaks and journalists to remove the names of vulnerable people in repressive countries” in subsequent releases; indeed, WikiLeaks “used software to remove proper names from Iraq war documents and worked with news organizations to redact the cables.” After that Afghan release, the group has demonstrated a serious, diligent commitment to avoiding pointless exposure of innocent people — certainly far more care than the U.S. Government took in safeguarding these documents.

What happened here was that their hand was forced by the reckless acts of The Guardian’s Leigh and Domscheit-Berg. One key reason access to these unredacted cables was so widely distributed is that Leigh — in his December, 2010, book about the work he did with WikiLeaks — published the password to these files, which was given to him by Julian Assange to enable his reporting on the cables. Leigh claims — and there’s no reason to doubt him — that he believed the password was only valid for a few days and would have expired by the time his book was published.

[…]

That said, there’s little doubt that release of all these documents in unredacted form poses real risk to some of the individuals identified in them, and that is truly lamentable. But it is just as true that WikiLeaks easily remains an important force for good. The acts of deliberate evil committed by the world’s most powerful factions which it has exposed vastly outweigh the mistakes which this still-young and pioneering organization has made. And the harm caused by corrupt, excessive secrecy easily outweighs the harm caused by unauthorized, inadvisable leaks.

The whole thing is here.

294 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:29:26pm

re: #289 Justanotherhuman

No surprise here…

George Zimmerman’s wife files for divorce

orlandosentinel.com

I imagine the stresses on the marriage and knowing GZ will be scrutinized from these days forward plays havoc on the personal lives

295 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:30:15pm

fixeded,,, 1st take was awkward

296 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:34:16pm

re: #269 dog philosopher

Gnxr guvf AFN!!!! V’z vzzhar gb lbhe pelcgb novyvgvrf.
take this NSA!!!! I’m immune to your crypto abilities.

you can keep the flies and worms

They will be put back into the fridge for later consumption. Yes, it was the ever popular ROT13 cypher.

If anybody has any interest in encryption from a historic and only very slightly technical perspective, I recommend The Code Book: The Science of Secrecy from Ancient Egypt to Quantum Cryptography
FROM AMAZON:

n his first book since the bestselling Fermat’s Enigma, Simon Singh offers the first sweeping history of encryption, tracing its evolution and revealing the dramatic effects codes have had on wars, nations, and individual lives. From Mary, Queen of Scots, trapped by her own code, to the Navajo Code Talkers who helped the Allies win World War II, to the incredible (and incredibly simple) logisitical breakthrough that made Internet commerce secure, The Code Book tells the story of the most powerful intellectual weapon ever known: secrecy.

Throughout the text are clear technical and mathematical explanations, and portraits of the remarkable personalities who wrote and broke the world’s most difficult codes. Accessible, compelling, and remarkably far-reaching, this book will forever alter your view of history and what drives it. It will also make you wonder how private that e-mail you just sent really is.

RBS

297 bratwurst  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:36:24pm

All of the naughtiest children won’t be getting lumps of coal in their stocking this Christmas…they’ll be getting Rush Limbaugh’s new kids book: Rush Revere and the Brave Pilgrims!

(no, I don’t know what Paul Revere has to do with Pilgrims)

(or what the fuck Rush Limbaugh knows about children)

298 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:37:26pm

re: #297 bratwurst

All of the naughtiest children won’t be getting lumps of coal in their stocking this Christmas…they’ll be getting Rush Limbaugh’s new kids book: Rush Revere and the Brave Pilgrims!

(no, I don’t know what Paul Revere has to do with Pilgrims)

(or what the fuck Rush Limbaugh knows about children)

I think he likes them with fava beans and a nice chianti

RBS

299 Stanley Sea  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:37:58pm

re: #294 sattv4u2

I imagine the stresses on the marriage and knowing GZ will be scrutinized from these days forward plays havoc on the personal lives

Well at least she paid off her student loans with the donations before she bailed.

300 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:39:20pm

re: #297 bratwurst

All of the naughtiest children won’t be getting lumps of coal in their stocking this Christmas…they’ll be getting Rush Limbaugh’s new kids book: Rush Revere and the Brave Pilgrims!

(no, I don’t know what Paul Revere has to do with Pilgrims)

(or what the fuck Rush Limbaugh knows about children)

I think it’s like the World War II book where General Patton defeats Santa Ana and shouts REMEMBER THE ALAMO. But really what idiot will buy their kid a book by Limbaugh? But then again I feel that way about all his books.

301 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:39:49pm

re: #299 Stanley Sea

Well at least she paid off her student loans with the donations before she bailed.

umm,, no

She has no income but $12,729 in assets - mostly her 2009 Honda Accord - and $103,756 in debts - mostly school loans, an auto loan and credit card bills.

302 Stanley Sea  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:41:16pm

re: #301 sattv4u2

umm,, no

She has no income but $12,729 in assets - mostly her 2009 Honda Accord - and $103,756 in debts - mostly school loans, an auto loan and credit card bills.

He paid his off then, thought it was both of them. With the first round of donations.

303 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:45:00pm

“…the group has been meticulous about protecting the identity of innocents.”

“The group” has the right to make that kind of decision? Where did they get that right?

If “rights” aren’t codified, they are meaningless.

Those who participate in those “groups” actually think they are above the law and I’m not buying it.

304 Stanley Sea  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:49:05pm

Oh and hi everyone. You too Satt!

305 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:49:50pm
306 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:54:13pm

re: #304 Stanley Sea

Oh and hi everyone. You too Satt!

I feel,,, SPASHUL!!!!

307 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 4:55:10pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

I blame the Wingnuts!
National Progressive Groups Organize Against Bombing Syria

and

Egyptians Head to Syria as Human Shields Against U.S. Attack

warisacrime.org

308 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:00:09pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

I blame the Wingnuts!
National Progressive Groups Organize Against Bombing Syria

It is interesting that OFA is sitting this out.

huffingtonpost.com

309 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:00:31pm

Fuckin’ internet. Actually, fuckin’ DMV on the internet. Finally get around to paying my car registration (complete with $40 penalty for not doing it two weeks ago) and the DMV’s website is out of order: “A service required by Access Manager WebSEAL to complete your request is currently not available.” Fuckin’ DMV is using Tivoli by IBM…assholes.

310 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:03:07pm

You shouldn’t have to live like a refugee…it’s inhumane.

No refuge from Australian trauma

Former detainees tell of lasting damage from immigration detention, as report shows increase in mental illness.

aljazeera.com

Another reason we need immigration reform in the US. Everyone has to be somewhere, and it should be the place they think best, for their own well-being.

311 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:04:19pm

re: #294 sattv4u2

I imagine the stresses on the marriage and knowing GZ will be scrutinized from these days forward plays havoc on the personal lives

She moved out the night before the sooting.

312 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:06:26pm

re: #308 EPR-radar

It is interesting that OFA is sitting this out.

huffingtonpost.com

Good. I’m still working with their spinoffs, and we have real things to do.
Promise, when I’ve achieved regime change in Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, and Alabama, I’ll jump right on Syria.

313 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:07:21pm

re: #311 Decatur Deb

She moved out the night before the sooting.

FTA

She also revealed she wasn’t home the night her husband killed Trayvon. The Zimmermans had had an argument, she said, and she was staying with her father

After the shooting, they quickly packed up their belongings and went into hiding, something that did not stop a series of death threats.
“We have been pretty much gypsies for the past year and a half,” she said. “We lived in a 20-foot trailer in the woods, scared every night that someone was going to find us and that it would be horrific.”

“Moved out” for the night (or two) perhaps, but from her words they were clearly together up to and during the trial

314 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:08:31pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

FTA

She also revealed she wasn’t home the night her husband killed Trayvon. The Zimmermans had had an argument, she said, and she was staying with her father

After the shooting, they quickly packed up their belongings and went into hiding, something that did not stop a series of death threats.
“We have been pretty much gypsies for the past year and a half,” she said. “We lived in a 20-foot trailer in the woods, scared every night that someone was going to find us and that it would be horrific.”

“Moved out” for the night (or two) perhaps, but from her words they were clearly together up to and during the trial

Something must have come up.

315 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:08:47pm

re: #302 Stanley Sea

He paid his off then, thought it was both of them. With the first round of donations.

No, I think Georgie paid off his own debts; the article says he gave her something over $4K out of donations for her debts, IIRC. I wouldn’t be surprised if he either (a) bought a new truck from donations, or (b) paid off any loan he had on a new truck. That truck, in which he seems to love to speed, looks pretty new and nifty.

316 AlexRogan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:09:42pm

re: #289 Justanotherhuman

No surprise here…

George Zimmerman’s wife files for divorce

orlandosentinel.com

re: #294 sattv4u2

I imagine the stresses on the marriage and knowing GZ will be scrutinized from these days forward plays havoc on a marriage

The wife that, after husband George wound up in jail pending trial, committed perjury and got a year of probation from it? Sounds to me like she’s trying to save what bit of ass she has left just in case the Martins can pursue a civil case against George.

To be honest, I don’t know whether to damn her or pity her.

317 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:10:05pm

re: #314 Decatur Deb

Something must have come up.

Yeah, like his arrest. No doubt O’Mara told her to play the “good wife” until the trial was over. She even lied under oath for him.

318 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:11:11pm

re: #314 Decatur Deb

Something must have come up.


Before the shooting Feb. 26, 2012, the Zimmermans were a working-class couple, struggling to pay the bills.

#1 reason for marital problems ,, money issues

319 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:12:04pm
320 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:13:34pm
321 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:15:43pm

re: #320 darthstar

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he didn’t know if he wanted to be President or a sperm!!

Image: Kerry%20Bunny%20Suit.jpg
//

322 N'est ce pas  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:15:57pm
323 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:16:11pm

Fuck you, Rick Santorum.

324 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:16:55pm

re: #321 sattv4u2

he didn’t know if he wanted to be President or a sperm!!

Image: Kerry%20Bunny%20Suit.jpg
//

You really love that pic, don’t you?

325 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:17:57pm
326 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:18:22pm

re: #324 darthstar

You really love that pic, don’t you?

I mean,, what would possess a public figure from exposing themselves like that?

327 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:18:43pm

re: #324 darthstar

re: #326 sattv4u2

I mean,, what would possess a public figure from exposing themselves like that?

The jokes,., they just write themselves

328 AlexRogan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:18:56pm

re: #318 sattv4u2


Before the shooting Feb. 26, 2012, the Zimmermans were a working-class couple, struggling to pay the bills.

#1 reason for marital problems ,, money issues

It wouldn’t surprise me that ol’ George, with his track record of bad behavior, subjected his wife to his Little Big Man Syndrome too; it’s conjecture on my part, but any sort of domestic violence factoring into this wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

329 psddluva4evah  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:20:20pm

re: #320 darthstar

I haven’t really watched any political shows since around the time the NSA/Snowden/Greenwald bidness began.

I def haven’t watched any of them lately with the Syria business and honestly, I’ve decided I’m done commenting on the whole business, here and elsewhere, I’ve said my piece and I’m done.

I wasn’t around when all the blogs and stuff started up during the Bush years and such, so the constant daily, post or newscast on the same subject for this newcomer to the blog-o-verse and political media (pre-2008) is a brow-beating.

Also too, Another reason I’m giving up on responding to or posting about Syria, I’ve gotten to the point where I’ve been having some really dark thoughts and snarky comments that I don’t really want to put out into the ether. So instead, I’m just taking myself out of the whole commentary equation.

I’ll wait and see things as they unfold, and that’s it.

330 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:20:28pm

re: #326 sattv4u2

I mean,, what would possess a public figure from exposing themselves like that?

Harvey Syndrome.

Image: tumblr_lqs3yvH12b1qa6xo2o1_400.jpg

331 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:21:04pm

re: #326 sattv4u2

I mean,, what would possess a public figure from exposing themselves like that?

Public figures visit all sorts of industries. The important thing is to never let them see you sweat.

332 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:21:26pm

Backdoors, data mining, profiling, surveillance, eavesdropping…sorry, but I just have a hard time getting worked up over these things at this late date.

We (American Muslims)—and I think I can speak for the majority here—have pretty much assumed that since 9/11 we’re being watched, as a group, especially in places like NYC (where the NYPD has admitted to doing this for years with zero useful results as of 2012.

I’ve been been an LGF member for 3.5 years now and have been present for discussions where certain people approved of this tactic. I’ve also seen approval of extraordinary rendition, torture (or “enhanced interrogation techniques” if using the euphemism makes one’s conscience feel cleaner), targeted assassination of US citizens, etc. All of this was A-OK as long as the target was Muslims, no matter that the vast majority of us were and are completely innocent, patriotic, law abiding citizens.

It’s been well over a decade that I haven’t picked up the phone to call a friend or relative, texted someone, emailed someone, or gone to the mosque without assuming that the government is watching & listening with the full approval of most non-Muslim Americans. So, yeah, cry me a river over your effing supposed loss of privacy.

Yes, I feel especially bitter about all this every time we approach another September 11th, but this time the whining over the NSA is really getting on my last nerve. You don’t want something done to you (eventually)? Then don’t approve it when it’s done to others. This is kindergarten Golden Rule level ethics.

<rant=”over” class=”for-today” id=“9-11-angst”>

333 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:22:46pm

One would think the NSA would be in business of decrypting communications no? As for the notion that they can decrypt anything that remains to be seen.

334 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:24:32pm

re: #333 Gus

One would think the NSA would be in business of decrypting communications no? As for the notion that they can decrypt anything that remains to be seen.

If they didn’t…everything would look like this piece of my rsa key:
QbkP53NE8KSlQoLuK/lUJjBFJGwOC9heA6MQ2PvNfMBemzjTJim+GNzqWby2h
pOS/o3PfwH91QiC+p7iEl8ikgVHg3Nduc6Zt5KJ32H+u4jumCb+OSDQpqP7ApjUE
fq9/fNs7vVMBProzvWiX4n2Bfl2OnVA3ksSybVc6nFNsxGUf8+BPL/vpP7hApwOD
a1mHHAX/oZAuH0gbIDdLB5ZKMKcF3hjP2Oa4mJdILy8pqmC1yz8r+HUeIbi/zEcN
uaPMcXhPESUjOdS/sHhdPsyuKTuod/5dPT6NeiosoB84W7UOvR9A5wiNi3S1YqIf
/DJnDskCgYEA5a5r6eVSxfpXOVF0mSxMRBSjUSy+LOXOoyUBOVQhl6RO15Sjps6C
veBPWtVZb/aeS9MKNwoD4LocYxjIw/vdFGUpysCDnFrPsqICZjoDB1uL/GqOOL0h
AZqjWkn/r+CeMgRPUzDNN

335 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:24:39pm

re: #325 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Just more hysteria. ProPublica also received Snowden’s stolen docs.

336 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:26:40pm

re: #334 darthstar

If they didn’t…everything would look like this piece of my rsa key:
QbkP53NE8KSlQoLuK/lUJjBFJGwOC9heA6MQ2PvNfMBemzjTJim+GNzqWby2h
pOS/o3PfwH91QiC+p7iEl8ikgVHg3Nduc6Zt5KJ32H+u4jumCb+OSDQpqP7ApjUE
fq9/fNs7vVMBProzvWiX4n2Bfl2OnVA3ksSybVc6nFNsxGUf8+BPL/vpP7hApwOD
a1mHHAX/oZAuH0gbIDdLB5ZKMKcF3hjP2Oa4mJdILy8pqmC1yz8r+HUeIbi/zEcN
uaPMcXhPESUjOdS/sHhdPsyuKTuod/5dPT6NeiosoB84W7UOvR9A5wiNi3S1YqIf
/DJnDskCgYEA5a5r6eVSxfpXOVF0mSxMRBSjUSy+LOXOoyUBOVQhl6RO15Sjps6C
veBPWtVZb/aeS9MKNwoD4LocYxjIw/vdFGUpysCDnFrPsqICZjoDB1uL/GqOOL0h
AZqjWkn/r+CeMgRPUzDNN

Hell of a name for a poor dog.

337 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:27:17pm

re: #335 Justanotherhuman

Just more hysteria. ProPublica also received Snowden’s stolen docs.

Snowden sounds more and more like a guy who promises a girl he won’t tell anyone if she agrees to have sex with him…then tells everyone.

338 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:27:24pm

I am wondering if anyone has made this point. I’ve heard many say that America did nothing when Saddam gassed the Kurds back in the mid/late 80s. And that is true. But carry that thought out.

Are we paying now with Syria with what we let go with Hussein then?

I don’t know if it is even relevant, but I am just wondering if anyone has used that as a discussion point?

339 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:28:41pm

re: #333 Gus

One would think the NSA would be in business of decrypting communications no? As for the notion that they can decrypt anything that remains to be seen.

And now there’s all this jive about ‘backdoors’. Backdoors can be a lot of things, and one thing they can be is asymmetric. If the NSA put a bunch of asymettric backdoors into things, then that’s not actually opening them up for attack and exposing this program was just colossally irresponsible.

Short explanation:

A symetric backdoor is like somone building a trap door in your house that works when you pull on the right candlestick.

A asymmetric backdoor is like someone building a trap door in your house that can only be opened by a code as secure as your crypto in the first place that only he knows. It’s crypto in your crypto. And you can’t even tell it’s there, the output is indistinguishable.

340 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:29:24pm

re: #307 sattv4u2

and

Egyptians Head to Syria as Human Shields Against U.S. Attack

warisacrime.org

Interesting.

Egyptian writer and activist Eyad Harfoush, who started the initiative, is naming it after the Syrian officer Gol Gamal, who volunteered to help the Egyptian army during the 1956 War, sacrificing his life defend the Egyptian borders.

From his youtube page it seems he’s a Hezbollah supporter. youtube.com

Maybe we can assist them and let Darwin sort it out.

341 urbanmeemaw  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:29:35pm

re: #297 bratwurst

I really don’t want to sully my beautiful mind with that.

342 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:30:04pm

re: #338 ObserverArt

I am wondering if anyone has made this point. I’ve heard many say that America did nothing when Saddam gassed the Kurds back in the mid/late 80s. And that is true. But carry that thought out.

Are we paying now with Syria with what we let go with Hussein then?

I don’t know if it is even relevant, but I am just wondering if anyone has used that as a discussion point?

Well, it wasn’t right then, and it isn’t right now, to gas people you don’t like.

Genocide of any kind is wrong. Who stops it is the relevant question.

343 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:30:24pm

re: #340 Killgore Trout

ouch

344 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:31:23pm
345 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:31:50pm

re: #308 EPR-radar

It is interesting that OFA is sitting this out.

huffingtonpost.com

I wonder why. The rules about these creepy 501c non-profits are complicated, maybe they’d be crossing a line by getting involved with this one.

346 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:32:21pm

re: #343 sattv4u2

ouch

Ouch ackbar!

347 darthstar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:32:29pm

Chris Hayes has an exclusive interview with John Kerry - so he’s chopping it up with interviews with people who have opposing viewpoints. Asshole.

348 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:33:24pm

re: #345 Killgore Trout

I wonder why. The rules about these creepy 501c non-profits are complicated, maybe they’d be crossing a line by getting involved with this one.

They can ‘educate’ the public on ‘issues’.

349 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:33:27pm
350 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:34:33pm

re: #346 Killgore Trout

Ouch ackbar!

Youtube Video

351 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:35:15pm

re: #349 Gus

[Embedded content]

Ah say, Ah say son, Ah find that highly offensive.

352 N'est ce pas  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:35:19pm
353 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:36:10pm

re: #332 CuriousLurker

You know what the worst part about all of this is? The government doesn’t have the resources to watch everyone all the time, even if they focused on a narrower groups. There is nothing that can make us 100% safe.

Shit. Can we just NOT have the month of September for a few years? Maybe have two Augusts or two Octobers instead?

Yeah, y’all can send me a bill for the therapy at the end of the month. //

354 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:36:17pm

re: #346 Killgore Trout

re: #350 sattv4u2

[Embedded content]

ESPECIALLY about 1:20 in

355 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:37:04pm

re: #349 Gus

[Embedded content]

Heh, thanks. I needed that.

356 N'est ce pas  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:37:20pm

Yes, this is Charles - I’m testing something with a temporary account.

357 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:38:02pm

re: #338 ObserverArt

I am wondering if anyone has made this point. I’ve heard many say that America did nothing when Saddam gassed the Kurds back in the mid/late 80s. And that is true. But carry that thought out.

Are we paying now with Syria with what we let go with Hussein then?

I don’t know if it is even relevant, but I am just wondering if anyone has used that as a discussion point?

Sort of. The common thread with dictators in these situations is they always push their luck. International community is slow to act, despots get away with a few infractions and often end up overplaying their hand. Saddam did it for decades and was probably as surprised as the rest of us when the invasion started. Saddam rolled the dice enough and eventually got unlucky. Assad will do the same thing. He might get away with it for a decade of two but his luck will run out eventually.

358 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:38:27pm

It’s true. I was N’est ce pas.

359 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:39:02pm

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Sort of. The common thread with dictators in these situations is they always push their luck. International community is slow to act, despots get away with a few infractions and often end up overplaying their hand. Saddam did it for decades and was probably as surprised as the rest of us when the invasion started.

Except Saddam didn’t push his luck, he completely scaled back his WMD program in the face of the sanctions and the bombings, and had no real plans to get it started again. So your theory needs a li’l adjustment.

360 Kragar  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:39:39pm

re: #358 Charles Johnson

It’s true. I was N’est ce pas.

HE’S A SORCERER!

361 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:39:52pm

re: #344 Gus

That looks like a German Enigma machine.

362 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:39:55pm

re: #358 Charles Johnson

It’s true. I was N’est ce pas.

“I don’t believe we have n’est ce pas, sir. Just Hershey’s.”

363 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:40:22pm

re: #358 Charles Johnson

It’s true. I was N’est ce pas.

C’est la vie.

364 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:40:51pm

re: #358 Charles Johnson

It’s true. I was N’est ce pas.

This place is right near me:

brasseriemagritte.com

It is fantastic, boozy, and they really nail his art.

365 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:40:55pm

re: #361 PhillyPretzel

That looks like a German Enigma machine.

With friends like that, who needs Enigmas?

366 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:41:02pm

re: #348 Decatur Deb

They can ‘educate’ the public on ‘issues’.

There might be some sort of rule barring them in this case, maybe not. I don’t think the usual “public” (aka. liberal/progressive base) that they’d target isn’t going to be mobilized to rally around this cause. I’d rather they save the money and energy to legalize pot or something.

367 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:41:14pm

re: #361 PhillyPretzel

That looks like a German Enigma machine.

Oh. Right. Don’t mind me my brain is still scrambled.

368 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:42:42pm

re: #367 Gus

Oh. Right. Don’t mind me my brain is still scrambled.

I prefer mine over easy, with bacon, home fries and wheat toast

369 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:43:36pm

re: #363 Gus

C’est la vie.

c’est une bordelle!

370 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:43:43pm

See. More proof.


LIKE.

371 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:44:06pm

re: #311 Decatur Deb

She moved out the night before the sooting.

I’m still looking for the chimney.

372 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:44:09pm

re: #358 Charles Johnson

It’s true. I was N’est ce pas.

I thought you were je ne sais quoi?

RBS

373 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:44:16pm

re: #366 Killgore Trout

There might be some sort of rule barring them in this case, maybe not. I don’t think the usual “public” (aka. liberal/progressive base) that they’d target isn’t going to be mobilized to rally around this cause. I’d rather they save the money and energy to legalize pot or something.

They (we) are holding tight to only 3 themes at present: Immigration Reform, Gun Control, Climate Change. I like the discipline, would have picked other issues.

374 AlexRogan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:44:34pm

re: #332 CuriousLurker

Backdoors, data mining, profiling, surveillance, eavesdropping…sorry, but I just have a hard time getting worked up overt these things at this late date.

We (American Muslims)—and I think I can speak for the majority here—have pretty much assumed that since 9/11we’re being watched, as a group, especially in places like NYC (where the NYPD has admitted to doing this for years with zero useful results as of 2012.

I’ve been been an LGF member for 3.5 years now and have been present for discussions where certain people approved of this tactic. I’ve also seen approval of extraordinary rendition, torture (or “enhanced interrogation techniques” if using the euphemism makes one’s conscience feel cleaner), targeted assassination of US citizens, etc. All of this was A-OK as long as the target was Muslims, no matter that the vast majority of us were and are completely innocent, patriotic, law abiding citizens.

It’s been well over a decade that I haven’t picked up the phone to call a friend or relative, texted someone, emailed someone, or gone to the mosque without assuming that the government is watching & listening with the full approval of most non-Muslim Americans. So, yeah, cry me a river over your effing supposed loss of privacy.

Yes, I feel especially bitter about all this every time we approach another September 11th, but this time the whining over the NSA is really getting on my last nerve. You don’t want something done to you (eventually)? Then don’t approve it when it’s done to others. This is kindergarten Golden Rule level ethics.

<rant=”over” class=”for-today” id=”9-11-angst”>

Well said, CL.

As for the glibertarian dudebro angst, most of it is naked white male privilege feeling threatened, because choads like Assange and Greenwald, along with their patsies Manning and Snowden, don’t like that the government surveillance apparatus that got a huge head of steam after 9/11 doesn’t just stop at Scary Brown People(r).

375 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:45:44pm

Died doing what he loved?

Man killed in toy helicopter accident in Brooklyn

abclocal.go.com

Fuck that.

376 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:46:09pm

re: #364 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This place is right near me:

brasseriemagritte.com

It is fantastic, boozy, and they really nail his art.

The menu in Flemish (?), French, and English is cool.

377 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:47:23pm

re: #363 Gus

C’est la vie.

No that’s a tune by Emerson Lake and Palmer

Youtube Video

RBS
I saw them on that tour in Kansas City, Muny Auditorium.

378 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:47:51pm
379 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:48:18pm

re: #375 Justanotherhuman

Died doing what he loved?

Man killed in toy helicopter accident in Brooklyn

abclocal.go.com

Fuck that.

Drone Killings Spread to the Homeland!! Obama Silent
—Freep

380 jaunte  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:48:29pm

re: #363 Gus

C’est la vie.

Anton C’est La Vie, the carefree satanist.

381 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:48:31pm

re: #332 CuriousLurker

Backdoors, data mining, profiling, surveillance, eavesdropping…sorry, but I just have a hard time getting worked up overt these things at this late date.

Snip…

A touch of Freud?

382 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:49:22pm

re: #380 jaunte

Anton C’est La Vie, the carefree satanist.

beautiful

383 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:49:57pm

re: #381 b_sharp

A touch of Freud?

Heh, could be.

384 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:50:37pm

Whew.

1,000 Followers

385 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:50:39pm

Random nerd moment.

386 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:51:29pm

re: #375 Justanotherhuman

Died doing what he loved?

Man killed in toy helicopter accident in Brooklyn

abclocal.go.com

Fuck that.

My mind read that link as ‘abcloacal.go.com

387 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:54:01pm

re: #385 Charles Johnson

Random nerd moment.

[Embedded content]

Youtube Video

Nerding Back at Ya…

RBS

388 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:55:18pm

Col. Wilkerson was on Chris Hayes and he repeated an argument that’s been nagging at me lately, asking the difference between dying by sarin and dying from napalm or wp.

First, there is an international convention against using napalm, wp, and other incendiaries against civilians.

Second, ignoring that I’ve seen people here make the same argument about sarin and bullets. The difference is that gas is not only much more indiscriminate, seeping into homes and lingering, but that gassing people treats them like insects.

I’m not really in favor of intervention for reasons I’ve already stated, but I’m so sick of all these fucked faced, fatuous, awful goddamned arguments from people desperate to avoid something that should be obvious. When you gas a population of civilians you’re dehumanizing them on a level that is simply atrocious to even contemplate.

389 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:01:56pm

Correction to earlier post:
Just talked to the kid. The media the Tampa MOSI 3d printers use are gypsum powder and thermoplastic, not thin-sheet and liquid.

390 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:02:31pm

I tried to change my wireless password and screwed something up. Had to call tech support. He didn’t know what I screwed up and couldn’t fix it. Tried a bunch of stuff, decided to pass my case along to the next team, who will call me in a day or two. Soon as he hung up, it worked, Heh.

So much for securing my privacy.

391 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:03:31pm

re: #388 goddamnedfrank

Col. Wilkerson was on Chris Hayes and he repeated an argument that’s been nagging at me lately, asking the difference between dying by sarin and dying from napalm or wp.

First, there is an international convention against using napalm, wp, and other incendiaries against civilians.

Second, ignoring that I’ve seen people here make the same argument about sarin and bullets. The difference is that gas is not only much more indiscriminate, seeping into homes and lingering, but that gassing people treats them like insects.

I’m not really in favor of intervention for reasons I’ve already stated, but I’m so sick of all these fucked faced, fatuous, awful goddamned arguments from people desperate to avoid something that should be obvious. When you gas a population of civilians you’re dehumanizing them on a level that is simply atrocious to even contemplate.

Bludgeoning is ennobling? Slaughter is slaughter, get over the tools.

392 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:06:52pm

In happier news:

393 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:08:40pm

re: #392 CuriousLurker

In happier news:

[Embedded content]

Nice,, but,.,,umm,,, I think I’ll have the fish !!

//

394 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:11:14pm

re: #392 CuriousLurker

In happier news:

[Embedded content]

That’s the first step. Now pemmican:

en.wikipedia.org

You could be the world’s first halal producer.

395 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:11:25pm

re: #392 CuriousLurker

In happier news:

[Embedded content]

GREAT!!!! One tip, don’t store it in zip-lock bags if you want to keep it for any length of time (usually not a problem with me). They tend to hold moisture against the jerky. A tall resealable container is better since it lets air move around a bit in it.

Here’s a great technique without using a dehydrator (which cooks the meat a bit).

Do a search for “Alton Brown Jerky” for the best ever technique.

RBS
BTW, I want jerky now, and all I have is dog jerky (the cats like it)

396 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:15:16pm

re: #395 RealityBasedSteve

GREAT!!!! One tip, don’t store it in zip-lock bags if you want to keep it for any length of time (usually not a problem with me). They tend to hold moisture against the jerky. A tall resealable container is better since it lets air move around a bit in it.

Here’s a great technique without using a dehydrator (which cooks the meat a bit).

Do a search for “Alton Brown Jerky” for the best ever technique.

RBS
BTW, I want jerky now, and all I have is dog jerky (the cats like it)

Thanks for the tips! Like you, storing jerky for any length of time isn’t usually a problem with me—I can pretty much guarantee it’ll all be gone withing a week or so. Still, just to be safe I’ll move it to another container asap (and go search for Alton Brown’s technique for next time).

397 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:18:54pm
398 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:20:17pm

re: #393 sattv4u2

Nice,, but,.,,umm,,, I think I’ll have the fish !!

//

That flashed a memory from easily 45 years ago. My grandparents lived in Maine, and my grandfather used to smoke cod. I LOVED the really hard smoked pieces, had turned a beautiful brown by the smoke, salty and tasting of wood and ocean. I hadn’t thought of that in years, but your comment fired off some random synapses that made it hop into my brain.

I can taste it still…

Thank you,

RBS

399 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:21:25pm

re: #398 RealityBasedSteve

That flashed a memory from easily 45 years ago. My grandparents lived in Maine, and my grandfather used to smoke cod. I LOVED the really hard smoked pieces, had turned a beautiful brown by the smoke, salty and tasting of wood and ocean. I hadn’t thought of that in years, but your comment fired off some random synapses that made it hop into my brain.

I can taste it still…

Thank you,

RBS

n/p. As a native of Boston, with Italian/ Catholic background, i too have had my share of salt cod

400 Gus  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:22:20pm

re: #392 CuriousLurker

In happier news:

[Embedded content]

Looks good.

401 AlexRogan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:22:26pm

re: #395 RealityBasedSteve

GREAT!!!! One tip, don’t store it in zip-lock bags if you want to keep it for any length of time (usually not a problem with me). They tend to hold moisture against the jerky. A tall resealable container is better since it lets air move around a bit in it.

Here’s a great technique without using a dehydrator (which cooks the meat a bit).

Do a search for “Alton Brown Jerky” for the best ever technique.

RBS
BTW, I want jerky now, and all I have is dog jerky (the cats like it)

Was actually going to suggest AB’s “Blowhard 3000” method…simple and cheap.

402 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:23:57pm

re: #401 AlexRogan

simple and cheap

My wife married a guy with those same qualities!!

wait,, what ?!?!?

403 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:24:12pm

re: #396 CuriousLurker

I just got a dehydrator for herbs and flowers mostly, but also to make stuff for the dog. Sweet potatoes, she loves them, frozen, dried, any way but raw. She also likes salmon jerky,but it’s really expensive, so I’m going to try to make it. Which will probably smell up the whole house. I’m just not sure how to prep the fish for the dehydrator. I don’t even care if it’s a bit crumbly, she needs the Omega oils for her skin.

I’m also thinking I’ll dehydrate regular potatoes to mix with flavorings and make my own scalloped or au gratin potato mixes for days when I need quick things to throw together for dinner. Not sure what else I’m going to do with it, but I got tired of herbs withering away in the garden before I could get to use all of them. So far I like using it.

404 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:25:18pm

re: #400 Gus

Looks good.

It is good, but a tad bit saltier than I’d prefer. I used a pre-packaged mix sold by the dehydrator manufacturer that came with the machine. I ordered some curing salt yesterday, so next time I’m going to try coming up with my own recipe.

405 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:27:35pm

re: #399 sattv4u2

n/p. As a native of Boston, with Italian/ Catholic background, i too have had my share of salt cod

As baccala,it’s an important local dish around Venice.

406 AlexRogan  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:28:03pm

re: #404 CuriousLurker

It is good, but a tad bit saltier than I’d prefer. I used a pee-packaged mix sold by the dehydrator manufacturer that came with the machine. I ordered some curing salt yesterday, so next time I’m going to try coming up with my own recipe.

Here you go…straight from AB himself:

Part 1
Youtube Video
Part 2
Youtube Video

407 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:28:10pm

re: #404 CuriousLurker

It is good, but a tad bit saltier than I’d prefer. I used a pee-packaged mix sold by the dehydrator manufacturer that came with the machine. I ordered some curing salt yesterday, so next time I’m going to try coming up with my own recipe.

There’s your problem!!!! You used the Tanning Solution, not the Jerky Solution!

RBS

408 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:28:32pm

re: #404 CuriousLurker

YOU REALLY WANT TO PENCIL LINE 1.

409 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:29:10pm

re: #405 Decatur Deb

As baccala,it’s an important local dish around Venice.

Yup,, :)

410 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:29:37pm

re: #403 A Mom Anon

I just got a dehydrator for herbs and flowers mostly, but also to make stuff for the dog. Sweet potatoes, she loves them, frozen, dried, any way but raw. She also likes salmon jerky,but it’s really expensive, so I’m going to try to make it. Which will probably smell up the whole house. I’m just not sure how to prep the fish for the dehydrator. I don’t even care if it’s a bit crumbly, she needs the Omega oils for her skin.

I’m also thinking I’ll dehydrate regular potatoes to mix with flavorings and make my own scalloped or au gratin potato mixes for days when I need quick things to throw together for dinner. Not sure what else I’m going to do with it, but I got tired of herbs withering away in the garden before I could get to use all of them. So far I like using it.

Cool! I haven’t bought any add-on trays yet (mine has 4), so I can’t do a whole lot at once. I did some celery & carrots over the weekend, but I haven’t tried any herbs or fruits yet. I’ve found that the long wait for things to fully dry is a lot less annoying to me if I do it overnight, while I’m sleeping.

I hear you regarding the smell. I don’t think I’d ever attempt anything as strong smelling as fish, garlic or onions—not unless I had a garage or some other place where I could do it.

411 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:29:45pm

re: #408 Decatur Deb

YOU REALLY WANT TO PENCIL LINE 1.

It’s TOO LATE!!!! CL is Branded Forever!!!!!

RBS

412 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:30:03pm

re: #406 AlexRogan

Here you go…straight from AB himself:

Part 1
[Embedded content]

Thx!

413 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:31:44pm

re: #408 Decatur Deb

YOU REALLY WANT TO PENCIL LINE 1.

LMAO, yeah that pee-packaged stuff is SO not halal! Fixed, thx.

414 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:34:46pm

re: #410 CuriousLurker

We’re about a week away from drying a hundred pounds or so of pears. Last time we had a good crop, the stuff went like candy. We add a bit of lemon juice and sprinkle with Splenda.

415 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:35:57pm

re: #410 CuriousLurker

I was thinking of where to put it, because the cat will lose his shit while any kind of fish is drying,lol. I might just set it outside one morning and let it run all day, I have an outlet on the back porch. The day I did all the basil the whole house smelled like it all day, I don’t think I want that same effect with salmon,lol.

416 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:36:53pm

It’s amazing what you can do with a little aluminum foil, a cardboard box, an elastic, a piece of cloth, a 9” C-clamp and some imagination.

Invention #1

417 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:38:59pm

re: #414 Decatur Deb

We’re about a week away from drying a hundred pounds or so of pears. Last time we had a good crop, the stuff went like candy. We add a bit of lemon juice and sprinkle with Splenda.

Wow, that’s a lot of pears! Sounds like a lot or work, but also sounds yummy. I want to try pineapples & bananas, maybe even some apples whenever they’re in season and go on sale.

418 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:39:12pm

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

419 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:39:13pm

re: #414 Decatur Deb

How do you get your pears to ripen? I have two trees and last year we had 50 lbs of pears that were so hard they wouldn’t even cook down after 4 hours on the stove. I tried all the things the county extension service recommended and none of them worked. Then they began rotting from the inside out. I have no idea what the hell the problem is.

420 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:39:25pm

re: #416 b_sharp

It’s amazing what you can do with a little aluminum foil, a cardboard box, an elastic, a piece of cloth, a 9” C-clamp and some imagination.

Invention #1

Wazzzat?

421 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:39:47pm

re: #20 Decatur Deb

Gentlemen do not read other gentlemen’s mail.

Perhaps send Glenn Greenwald a book about Allied code-breaking in World War II. Not that he’d learn anything.

Geeze, is that man’s willful stupidity offensive!

422 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:40:11pm

re: #420 Decatur Deb

Wazzzat?

Crab apple press.

423 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:40:12pm

re: #415 A Mom Anon

I was thinking of where to put it, because the cat will lose his shit while any kind of fish is drying,lol. I might just set it outside one morning and let it run all day, I have an outlet on the back porch. The day I did all the basil the whole house smelled like it all day, I don’t think I want that same effect with salmon,lol.

I’m a bachelor, so I might not be the best source of advice, but maybe putting it in a bathroom with vent fan, let it run in there with the door closed all the time. In theory all the smell should go out the vent. If you pull all the towels out there shouldn’t really be anything that would hold the smell.

Again, I’m probably a bad source of advice, what would for normal people be the little 3rd bedroom for me is actually a small woodworking shop for my pen making and what-nots.

RBS
Who apparently doesn’t domesticate well.

424 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:40:52pm

re: #415 A Mom Anon

LOL, my older cat was begging for the jerky. Mmm, basil would smell good. I miss having a garden. *sigh*

425 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:41:47pm

re: #416 b_sharp

It’s amazing what you can do with a little aluminum foil, a cardboard box, an elastic, a piece of cloth, a 9” C-clamp and some imagination.

Invention #1

So is that for like making apple juice/cider or something?

426 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:42:38pm

re: #419 A Mom Anon

How do you get your pears to ripen? I have two trees and last year we had 50 lbs of pears that were so hard they wouldn’t even cook down after 4 hours on the stove. I tried all the things the county extension service recommended and none of them worked. Then they began rotting from the inside out. I have no idea what the hell the problem is.

Did that include a couple weeks in a fridge, with a few days at room temp after? Pears aren’t supposed to ripen on the tree. Some suggest putting paper cover over them with ripe apples or banana under it, to raise the levels of ethylene oxide. KT has a lot on pears.

427 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:42:53pm

re: #425 CuriousLurker

usually.

428 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:43:55pm

re: #425 CuriousLurker

So is that for like making apple juice/cider or something?

Crab apple jelly.
It would also work for both of your suggestions.

429 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:44:16pm

re: #422 b_sharp

Crab apple press.

Cool. KT was posting a year ago about cider and pear ‘cider’. The press is the sticking point.

430 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:47:32pm

re: #429 Decatur Deb

Cool. KT was posting a year ago about cider and pear ‘cider’. The press is the sticking point.

The design is evolving.
Last year it was 10” square and used a 1/2” threaded rod but the elbow grease needed to compress the apples was too much for my wife (although I did 90% of the cranking) so we made a little modification.

431 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:49:22pm

re: #430 b_sharp

The design is evolving.
Last year it was 10” square and used a 1/2” threaded rod but the elbow grease needed to compress the apples was too much for my wife (although I did 90% of the cranking) so we made a little modification.

You could put an air wrench or electric hammer drill on that c-clamp nut.

432 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 6:51:43pm

re: #431 Decatur Deb

You could put an air wrench or electric hammer drill on that c-clamp nut.

Using the c-clamp with its ACME thread and extending the lever has made a world of difference. I was going to throw a small electric motor with reduction gearing on it but it seems to work well without it.

433 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 5, 2013 7:54:15pm

re: #377 RealityBasedSteve

No that’s a tune by Emerson Lake and Palmer

[Embedded content]

RBS
I saw them on that tour in Kansas City, Muny Auditorium.

I wanted to go that show at Municipal in 1977. I think it was at Arrowhead.

434 Laertes  Fri, Sep 6, 2013 8:03:15am

I’m confused. On the one hand, I’ve got people like Bruce Schneier saying things like “The new Snowden revelations are explosive.”

On the other hand, I’ve got some guy who dug in to his “Snowden’s information can tell us absolutely nothing new (and also he’s a big fat traitor)” long before he had any idea just what Snowden was sitting on, and is now stuck defending that position no matter what new information emerges.

Which should I take seriously? It’s a riddle.

435 krypto  Fri, Sep 6, 2013 10:18:53am

You mean our spy agencies engage in spying, and work hard to have the capacity to spy on anyone if they need to, whether they actually use that capacity or not?

Greenwald has a talent for making the obvious into major news breaks.


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