Will Syria Relinquish Their Chemical Weapons, or Are They Just Playing for Time?

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An interesting development today in the Syria crisis, as the Syrian regime responds positively to a call from Russia for them to give up their chemical weapons.

MOSCOW (AP) — Syria on Monday quickly welcomed a call from Russia, its close ally, to place Syrian chemical arsenals under international control, then destroy them to avert a U.S. strike, but did not offer a time frame or any other specifics.

The statement by Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem appeared to mark the first official acknowledgement by Damascus that it possesses chemical weapons and reflected what appeared to be an attempt by Syrian President Bashar Assad to avoid the U.S. military attack.

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1 darthstar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:00:45am

Let us begin with something important:

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2 blueraven  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:07:37am

My gut says they are playing for time. I would need to see some serious, concrete and very quick action on this.

3 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:08:44am

Temple Judea of Palm Beach, FL has invited Reza Aslan to speak at their congregation.

Pamela is having a freakout meltdown.

4 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:09:45am

Assad knows the playbook. Saddam and the Iranians played with international inspectors for decades. They are easily pacified and can be stalled indefinitely. This also gets us off the hook about the ‘red line’ and threats of military action (and the subsequent responsibility). I think inspections is a mistake and will prolong the problem but it’s a political win-win for the major players.
Send in the inspectors!

5 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:10:04am

with no Regrets.

Of course, I’m probably responsible for the state of the ME and will burn for it.

:0

6 simoom  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:10:42am

Huh. If Russian & China actually allowed a strong resolution to this effect through the UN, beyond the remote possibility it would actually accomplish what it says, it could be useful as the basis for future action.

7 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:12:19am

re: #2 blueraven

My gut says they are playing for time. I would need to see some serious, concrete and very quick action on this.

Assad will make a “serious” effort at first but even the starting negotiations will take a couple months. Then there’s the details and logistics about moving stuff around, access to certain areas. more negotiations, etc. Inspectors could be on the ground in a couple months. The cat and mouse could go on for years.

9 blueraven  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:14:22am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Assad knows the playbook. Saddam and the Iranians played with international inspectors for decades. They are easily pacified and can be stalled indefinitely. This also gets us off the hook about the ‘red line’ and threats of military action (and the subsequent responsibility). I think inspections is a mistake and will prolong the problem but it’s a political win-win for the major players.
Send in the inspectors!

The other day you were against the strike. Which is it?
Sadly, it seems to be all political for you…whatever hurts Obama the most.

10 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:14:56am

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

Temple Judea of Palm Beach, FL has invited Reza Aslan to speak at their congregation.

Pamela is having a freakout meltdown.

A bottle of Grey Goose should lead to some epic derpitude.

11 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:15:58am

re: #9 blueraven

The other day you were against the strike. Which is it?
Sadly, it seems to be all political for you…whatever hurts Obama the most.

I’m still against strikes.

12 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:16:32am

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

A bottle of Grey Goose should lead to some epic derpitude.

A bottle of Grey Goose, for Pamela, is breakfast.

13 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:16:42am

I don’t know about this website or the article.

I typed in Domestic Violence in the Search and got the flower named in the article.

I can’t seem to find any other confirmation.

14 StephenMeansMe  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:16:54am

International control and dismantling/disposal, one hopes…

15 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:17:00am

This is ten years old now, but still a goodie

Saddam from Iraq (parody of “Jenny from the block”)

Youtube Video

16 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:19:24am

Like we don’t have the airpower to watch movement in the country.

17 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:20:48am

re: #16 Amory Blaine

Like we don’t have the airpower to watch movement in the country.

dronezzzzzzz………………..

18 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:21:24am

It’s about giving reluctant lawmakers in the US and our allies an “out” by declaring that such a deal obviates the need for military strikes. “After all,” they’ll declare, “if our goal is not regime change, then there’s no need to get ourselves involved!”

19 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:21:26am

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

A bottle of Grey Goose, for Pamela, is breakfast.

LOLOLOL

OT, but now I’m totally hooked on the TV series “The No. 1 Ladies’ Detective Agency”. What a damned shame it got cancelled and has - thus far - not been picked up by anyone else.

20 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:21:30am

I just started following this guy last week. I don’t know how to take his ‘and excellent’ comment.

21 brennant  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:22:19am

With this bit of news, a resounding ‘no’ is coming from Congress.

22 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:22:28am

WTF is the Guardian trying to do with this? Create total confusion?

Syria crisis: US says ‘We’ll take a hard look’ at Russian proposal - live updates

Live
• Russia calls on Assad to destroy chemical arsenal
• Gambit follows confusion at ‘hypothetical’ Kerry offer
• White House continues press for military authorization


theguardian.com

Figures they would try to confound the issues. Quoting someone’s tweet from Buzzfeed?

23 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:23:07am

Syria’s minister admits what everyone else already knows - that Syria possesses chemical weapons. That they’re willing to talk about the weapons is a hopeful sign, but the realist in me understands that this is likely Assad’s way to get out of airstrikes or military action that would end his regime (following the NATO blueprint in Libya or the Iraq and Afghan operations).

If he relinquishes some portion of his chemical weapons stockpile, he’ll still be able to go after the rebels with his conventional weapons. He can add to the body count - one that doesn’t seem to garner enough action on its own. 100,000 and climbing. Democide doesn’t warrant action on its own.

WMD use should, but even WMD use isn’t sufficient to get the UN or other international groups to agree action must be taken against Assad. And Assad realizes that giving up some portion of his WMD stocks will get the US to hold off on opening fire on its own. It’s about trading for more time. It’s an out that Assad may take, knowing that he’s already gotten quite a bit out of its use - he showed his followers that he was in the fight to the end, and the rebels know he’s willing to use any weapons at his disposal.

Getting rid of the WMD stocks is a worthy goal on its own, but those responsible for their use in killing hundreds (up to 1,400) still needs to be held accountable for their use. Whether that was Assad directly, independent use by Assad loyalists, or rebels who gassed their own, those responsible need to be dealt with. The Geneva Conventions and the CWC demand as much. Waiting until the body count has grown to grotesque proportions may make the politicians sleep better at night, but it does nothing but provide comfort to those who may use these weapons going forward.

The US and Russians both have been eliminating their own chemical weapons stocks for years now. The destruction of the remaining US stockpiles is underway in CO and KY. We’ve got experience in dealing with unstable stockpiles, so neutralizing Syria’s stockpile is within the US/Russia experience. Getting these weapons out of an unstable Syria is a big deal, and makes everyone breath a little easier - especially those downwind of where Assad or the rebels might get their hands on these weapons and use them with or without orders or even knowledge of what they’re firing.

24 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:23:25am

re: #18 Targetpractice

It’s about giving reluctant lawmakers in the US and our allies an “out” by declaring that such a deal obviates the need for military strikes. “After all,” they’ll declare, “if our goal is not regime change, then there’s no need to get ourselves involved!”

Amb. Rice just pretty much said that regime change is our goal. Suggest we start with Texas.

25 erik_t  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:23:25am

re: #20 wrenchwench

I just started following this guy last week. I don’t know how to take his ‘and excellent’ comment.

I read it is as “it is excellent that we’re going to end up with a backdoor way out from looking like we need to back up our Syria rhetoric.”

In that context, I… think I agree?

26 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:24:22am

Is Putin sending any aid for the refugees?

27 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:24:35am

re: #19 Dr Lizardo

LOLOLOL

OT, but now I’m totally hooked on the TV series “The No. 1 Ladies’ Detective Agency”. What a damned shame it got cancelled and has - thus far - not been picked up by anyone else.

The books have been an awesome read. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed them.

28 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:26:40am

re: #27 FemNaziBitch

The books have been an awesome read. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed them.

Only seven episodes, and the pilot, were ever made. All filmed entirely on location in Botswana. It’s done very well, with outstanding production values. Solid casting and good scripts.

The 90-minute pilot was directed by the late Anthony Minghella.

29 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:26:51am

Headline might be more accurately written as “Putin Throws Assad A Lifeline.”

30 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:27:30am

re: #18 Targetpractice

It’s about giving reluctant lawmakers in the US and our allies an “out” by declaring that such a deal obviates the need for military strikes. “After all,” they’ll declare, “if our goal is not regime change, then there’s no need to get ourselves involved!”

I think so too. Assad and the rebels can continue killing each other, the US and EU get off the hook from the responsibility of bombing, weakening Assad and/or strengthening the rebels. The whole deal accomplishes next to nothing while creating the impression of doing something. …and that will make everybody happy.

31 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:27:55am

re: #25 erik_t

I read it is as “it is excellent that we’re going to end up with a backdoor way out from looking like we need to back up our Syria rhetoric.”

In that context, I… think I agree?

An optimistic reading. He’s retweeting a libertarian with an approving comment. Possible dudebro….

32 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:28:05am

re: #28 Dr Lizardo

Only seven episodes, and the pilot, were ever made. All filmed entirely on location in Botswana. It’s done very well, with outstanding production values. Solid casting and good scripts.

The 90-minute pilot was directed by the late Anthony Minghella.

I’ll have to see if the Kid can find them for me somewhere.

It’s British type humor, so I’m not sure if it will find enough of an audience to make money as a TV show.

A movie might be more profitable.

33 brennant  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:28:42am

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I think so too. Assad and the rebels can continue killing each other, the US and EU get off the hook from the responsibility of bombing, weakening Assad and/or strengthening the rebels. The whole deal accomplishes next to nothing while creating the impression of doing something. …and that will make everybody happy.

I tend to agree with this.

34 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:28:55am

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I think so too. Assad and the rebels can continue killing each other, the US and EU get off the hook from the responsibility of bombing, weakening Assad and/or strengthening the rebels. The whole deal accomplishes next to nothing while creating the impression of doing something. …and that will make everybody happy.

That’s called “Wednesday in the Middle East”.

35 brennant  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:29:49am

…and Russia now has the ball with Syria.

36 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:30:03am

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I think so too. Assad and the rebels can continue killing each other, the US and EU get off the hook from the responsibility of bombing, weakening Assad and/or strengthening the rebels. The whole deal accomplishes next to nothing while creating the impression of doing something. …and that will make everybody happy.

Yep, it’ll work because it allows the West to go back to saying that it’s an internal Syrian matter and, while they hate Assad, they will not directly involve themselves in his removal from power. And if he does use them again, then we get a UN kabuki dance where everybody again acts “outraged” and threatens action, Assad makes further concessions, and we end up mollified again.

37 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:30:42am

There are some good ones today.

38 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:30:44am

Punt

39 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:31:08am

re: #32 FemNaziBitch

I’ll have to see if the Kid can find them for me somewhere.

It’s British type humor, so I’m not sure if it will find enough of an audience to make money as a TV show.

A movie might be more profitable.

All the episodes are available on YT. Enter ‘The No. 1 Ladies’ Detective Agency full movie’ in the YT searchbar, and enjoy.

Like I said, it’s a damn shame the show was cancelled after such a limited run. I doubt any American TV broadcast network would pick it up, or even basic cable. It was produced by the BBC and HBO.

40 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:32:09am

WAAAAHHHH!!!11!! OBAMA HATES TEH JESUS!!!11!!
But aren’t they against all food stamps and government assistance?

41 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:32:12am

Hillary Clinton giving remarks right now.

43 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:32:45am

re: #36 Targetpractice

Yep, it’ll work because it allows the West to go back to saying that it’s an internal Syrian matter and, while they hate Assad, they will not directly involve themselves in his removal from power. And if he does use them again, then we get a UN kabuki dance where everybody again acts “outraged” and threatens action, Assad makes further concessions, and we end up mollified again.

If you caught her strong denial of intent to put troops in (this time), Rice slipped in that any future use be a new game calling for a different US decision.

44 Lawrence Schmerel  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:33:10am

The situation is becoming very ironic. Republicans appearing to be concerned about starting a war. Obama being cast by many as a warmonger. Russia now appearing to be a peacemaker. It’s weird.

45 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:33:37am

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Administration has an out from its ridiculous saber rattling, it should take it

bykos .

Are the Koskidz volunteering to go dismantle Syria’s stockpile personally?

46 brennant  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:34:17am

re: #44 Lawrence Schmerel

The situation is becoming very ironic. Republicans appearing to be concerned about starting a war. Obama being cast by many as a warmonger. Russia now appearing to be a peacemaker. It’s weird.

It’s a magical, unicorny world we live in!

47 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:34:28am

re: #36 Targetpractice

Yep, it’ll work because it allows the West to go back to saying that it’s an internal Syrian matter and, while they hate Assad, they will not directly involve themselves in his removal from power. And if he does use them again, then we get a UN kabuki dance where everybody again acts “outraged” and threatens action, Assad makes further concessions, and we end up mollified again.

It will be a problem that will have to be dealt with eventually but that’s a bridge to be crossed when the time comes.

48 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:34:43am

re: #23 lawhawk

yikes! The Kentucky facility is about 100 miles SW of me…

49 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:34:58am

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

Consider the source on that story. I’m sure it’s being blown waaaaaay out of proportion.

50 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:35:26am

re: #44 Lawrence Schmerel

The situation is becoming very ironic. Republicans appearing to be concerned about starting a war. Obama being cast by many as a warmonger. Russia now appearing to be a peacemaker. It’s weird.

Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

51 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:35:37am

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

yikes! The Kentucky facility is about 100 miles SW of me…

Lexington/Bluegrass AD? You had your accident in 1980 or so.

52 blueraven  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:36:14am

re: #11 Killgore Trout

I’m still against strikes.

Seems to me like the threat of a strike is already working somewhat. Russia trying to cover, defections from Assad regime.

I see fear.

You constantly berate the President’s motives. God forbid his strategy actually ends up accomplishes something. That wouldn’t fit your narrative.

53 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:36:21am

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

Consider the source on that story. I’m sure it’s being blown waaaaaay out of proportion.

It made me LOL.

54 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:37:16am

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

WAAAAHHHH!!!11!! OBAMA HATES TEH JESUS!!!11!!
But aren’t they against all food stamps and government assistance?

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Where are the quotes from the USDA?

They want to be “Fair & Balanced” don’t they?

55 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:37:27am

re: #44 Lawrence Schmerel

The situation is becoming very ironic. Republicans appearing to be concerned about starting a war. Obama being cast by many as a warmonger. Russia now appearing to be a peacemaker. It’s weird.

I don’t think so. It all seems very familiar to me.

56 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:38:34am
57 Lawrence Schmerel  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:38:39am

re: #55 Killgore Trout

How old are you?

58 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:38:56am

re: #52 blueraven

Seems to me like the threat of a strike is already working somewhat. Russia trying to cover, defections from Assad regime.

I see fear.

You constantly berate the President’s motives. God forbid his strategy actually ends up accomplishes something. That wouldn’t fit your narrative.

The pucker factor has a lot to do with it. Remember that Col. Mo gave up his own nuke program immediately after we invaded Iraq. Despite all the talk about how Obama is “weak” and “leads from behind,” foreign leaders still fear us enough that just the possibility that he would risk the world’s ire to knock out Assad’s chemical weapons is enough to push Russia to offering a concession.

59 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:39:53am

re: #39 Dr Lizardo

All the episodes are available on YT. Enter ‘The No. 1 Ladies’ Detective Agency full movie’ in the YT searchbar, and enjoy.

Like I said, it’s a damn shame the show was cancelled after such a limited run. I doubt any American TV broadcast network would pick it up, or even basic cable. It was produced by the BBC and HBO.

YT?

60 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:39:55am

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Lexington/Bluegrass AD? You had your accident in 1980 or so.

Yes, BGAD in Richmond on I-75 just south of Lexington.

61 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:39:59am

re: #57 Lawrence Schmerel

How old are you?

I wasn’t born yesterday.

62 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:40:02am

David Barton Explains Why Academics And Historians Attack His Work

Asserting that the true purpose of history is to chronicle the way in which God has carried out his plans through humanity, Barton said that professors at Christian universities had been trained in secularism by their professors and were now intent on indoctrinating their own Christian students with that same agenda.

As such, when he wrote a book challenging that agenda, academic historians attacked him because “by and large, that profession as a whole is now the most hostile to God things of any profession in the nation”.

63 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:40:20am

re: #54 b_sharp

Where are the quotes from the USDA?

They want to be “Fair & Balanced” don’t they?

What it sounds like even from the Fox story, this soup kitchen was harassing people into taking their “Jesus” stuff. As in “you can’t have food unless you thank Jesus for it!”

64 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:40:27am

re: #59 FemNaziBitch

YT?

YouTube.

65 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:41:18am

re: #64 Dr Lizardo

YouTube.

ah!

66 jaunte  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:41:22am

Charles P. Pierce:

“…It takes a special kind of dedication for the ANSWER people to mill about with folks carrying posters that read “PEACE” under a picture of Bashar al Assad, who is not a notably anti-war figure, and what the guy with the Chinese flag was all about, I have no idea.”
esquire.com

67 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:41:37am

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Lexington/Bluegrass AD? You had your accident in 1980 or so.

BGAD

In that first photo, it looks like they store the stuff in cardboard tomato boxes…

68 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:41:58am

Clinton repeats the assertions of Carney and other officials earlier that the developments on the Russia proposal and other options in Syria have been dependent on the ongoing, credible threat of military action from the United States via the push for authorization in Congress.
by Colin.McDonald 2:34 PM
Comment

Clinton says she’s just come from a meeting with Obama. Her takeaways, she says, include that the U.S. must swiftly respond to the use of chemical weapons by Assad, and that an important step could be Syria’s surrender of chemical weapons stockpiles given full participation and cooperation from Russia and the international community.
by Colin.McDonald 2:32 PM
Comment

live.reuters.com

69 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:41:59am

re: #65 FemNaziBitch

ah!

Check them out; they’re very well done.

70 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:42:19am
71 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:42:20am

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Lexington/Bluegrass AD? You had your accident in 1980 or so.

Realize that these are actually small ‘expected’ events that stayed in containment. The bad one was much earlier and killed some cows. Damn good thing it wasn’t racehorses.

wiki:

Chemical Leaks

Between July 25 and August 6, 2008 two leaks of mustard gas occurred at the facility. The depot stated that the leaks were of low concentration and posed no harm.[4] Sarin Gas leaks were also confirmed 12 July 2008.[5] A previous sarin leakage incident was reported as occurring at 3:49 p.m. on Aug. 27, 2007.[6] A more recent leak of sarin gas was detected inside a containment building on Aug. 6, 2012.[7]

72 simoom  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:42:22am

re: #56 NJDhockeyfan

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“US official” has got to be one of the most meaningless of background attributions.

73 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:42:23am

Anyone taking bets on Assad launching a major conventional weapons offensive within the next 6-12 months resulting in talks about no fly zones?

74 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:42:30am

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

What it sounds like even from the Fox story, this soup kitchen was harassing people into taking their “Jesus” stuff. As in “you can’t have food unless you thank Jesus for it!”

Which Christian ministries often do.

75 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:42:42am

Kitteh!!

76 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:44:04am

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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I love the lady with the crazy hat and sunglasses on the left.

77 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:44:23am

re: #34 Decatur Deb

That’s called “Wednesday in the Middle East”.

Hummmmp Day!
- The Happy Camels

78 blueraven  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:44:51am

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Anyone taking bets on Assad launching a major conventional weapons offensive within the next 6-12 months resulting in talks about no fly zones?

McCain has been talking that for two years…as has some other republicans.

79 jaunte  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:45:13am
80 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:45:19am

re: #76 Killgore Trout

I love the lady with the crazy hat and sunglasses on the left.

ooops. on the right. My dyslexia is kicking in this morning.

81 blueraven  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:46:15am

re: #79 jaunte

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Who would have ever guessed? //

82 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:46:24am

re: #79 jaunte

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I can’t bear it

83 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:46:56am

Put this walking disaster of a killer away.

George Zimmerman taken into custody after incident with gun, police say

clickorlando.com

“Lake Mary police say they were called to a house on Sprucewood Road Monday afternoon after a report that Zimmerman was involved in an altercation with another person with a threat involved.”

84 klys  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:47:55am

re: #83 Justanotherhuman

First comment on the article asks about Benghazi.

I wish I was kidding.

85 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:48:00am

re: #76 Killgore Trout

I love the lady with the crazy hat and sunglasses on the left.

What does the guy on the left have on his head?

86 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:48:14am

re: #79 jaunte

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No one could have seen that coming.
/

87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:48:27am

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Realize that these are actually small ‘expected’ events that stayed in containment. The bad one was much earlier and killed some cows. Damn good thing it wasn’t racehorses.

This probably caused more angst and horror in Kentucky:

Wild Turkey spill in Kentucky River

Followed three years later by

Jim Beam warehouse fire kills fish in Salt River

88 FurryNavyDude  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:48:34am

Here’s a thought that I haven’t seen reflected in any analysis so far. Russia has one strong incentive to get control of Assad’s CWs: Chechnya.

It’s been well known for some time that extremist Islamist fighters from Chechnya have been infiltrating into Syria and fighting against Assad in the civil war. If somehow even a small supply of his CWs fall into the Syria rebels hands, (and then into the hands of the Chechnyan rebels), they could very well end up back in Russia/Chechnya being used against the Russians.

I’m thinking that that would be Putin’s main incentive for getting control of them. For that reason alone, Russia’s biggest fear is regime change. They could take that off the table once and for all by removing them from of the equation entirely.

It’s actually in Russia’s own internal interests to make this proposal work.

89 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:48:58am

re: #79 jaunte

re: #83 Justanotherhuman

Didn’t take him too long to show his stripes.

90 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:49:04am

re: #72 simoom

“US official” has got to be one of the most meaningless of background attributions.

WE are ALL “US officials”!!!

91 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:49:43am

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

WE are ALL “US officials”!!!

I thought we were all US Persons?

92 jaunte  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:50:13am

re: #86 makeitstop

No one could have seen that coming.
/

John ‏@linnyitssn tweets:

Least Breaking News Ever

93 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:50:59am
94 jaunte  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:52:02am
95 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:52:25am

re: #91 FemNaziBitch

I thought we were all US Persons?

We’re all OFFICIAL US persons!

96 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:52:53am

re: #93 Gus

re: #94 jaunte

Dueling Goldbergs!

97 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:53:04am

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

Download the hi-res version. You can see that those soldiers are inspecting wooden pallets containing row upon row of explosive warheads (possibly 105 or 155mm warheads).

98 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:53:06am

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’re all OFFICIAL US persons!

Obama isn’t.
///

99 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:54:32am

re: #93 Gus

I’m not sure Putin’s got the best interests of his fellow Russians in mind, let alone the international community. After all, Pussy Riot couldn’t be reached for comment.

However, in this instance, self-preservation to avoid those weapons falling into the wrong hands may lead Putin to make a decision that benefits more than just Putin, Russia, or a current client state in Assad.

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:57:57am

re: #97 lawhawk

Download the hi-res version. You can see that those soldiers are inspecting wooden pallets containing row upon row of explosive warheads (possibly 105 or 155mm warheads).

ahhh, yes.

101 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:58:12am

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’re all OFFICIAL US persons!

Kewl! What do we win?

102 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:58:44am

re: #101 FemNaziBitch

Kewl! What do we win?

Ponies!!!!

103 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:58:47am

Texas neighborhood watch captain named as suspect in Dallas serial rapes

A Texas neighborhood watch captain has been named as the leading suspect in string of rapes in the Dallas area.

Dallas police announced on Sunday that DNA evidence had linked 38-year-old Van Dralan Dixson to at least one of nine sexual assaults in South Dallas. Authorities were waiting on test results to confirm the link to other cases.

KTVT reported that Dixson had been head of the Mill City Community Association crime watch from January until these allegations surfaced.

104 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:58:50am

Give George Zimmerman enough ammunition and he’ll shoot himself in the foot. Just seems like that kinda guy.

105 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:59:38am
106 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:00:33pm

re: #103 Kragar

Texas neighborhood watch captain named as suspect in Dallas serial rapes

Rape is a crime of Power and Control.

Those who need power and control often seek jobs that give them power and control.

It’s kind of a no brainer, but we have bee conditioned to expect something greater from those in authority.

107 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:01:25pm
108 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:03:03pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ponies!!!!

Oh, I was hoping for some of Baba’s Chocolate Pie.

109 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:03:34pm
110 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:04:24pm

re: #109 Gus

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“Nobody could have predicted…”

111 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:05:16pm

re: #109 Gus

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Time to go directly to jail, do not pass “Go.”

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:06:25pm

Sounds like someone feels empowered by an acquittal.

113 erik_t  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:06:27pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

I mean, it’s not quite justice, but I’ll take it.

114 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:06:55pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

Time to go directly to jail, do not pass “Go.”

Hell, he wasn’t arrested, just “detained”.

Are they going to believe this POS until the end of time?

115 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:06:56pm

re: #106 FemNaziBitch

Rape is a crime of Power and Control.

Those who need power and control often seek jobs that give them power and control.

It’s kind of a no brainer, but we have bee conditioned to expect something greater from those in authority.

I think it’s more hope than conditioning, but yeah.

116 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:07:58pm

re: #93 Gus

re: #94 jaunte

Isn’t there some Lizard rule about posting Jonah Goldberg and Jeffrey Goldberg in sequence? Or was that about feeding them after midnight?

117 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:08:46pm

George Zimmerman: Have Gun, Will Unravel.

118 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:09:00pm

re: #114 Justanotherhuman

Hell, he wasn’t arrested, just “detained”.

Are they going to believe this POS until the end of time?

To be fair, I’m sure that’s how they handle a lot of couples who are in the middle of divorce proceedings. Look for assertions of mental breakdown due to “stress.”

119 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:09:56pm

re: #109 Gus

AP alert: George Zimmerman’s wife calls police, saying he threatened her and her dad with a gun.

I believe that there is what you call a parole violation.

120 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:11:02pm

re: #119 makeitstop

I believe that there is what you call a parole violation.

Parole for what?

121 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:11:13pm
122 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:11:32pm

re: #110 GeneJockey

“Nobody could have predicted…”

Things no one was overheard saying about Zimmerman….

OTOH, he is either the most unlucky guy in the world, a magnet for all that special kind of Florida crazy, or he’s realized the cause of, and solution to, all of life’s problems is a firearm.

123 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:12:07pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

To be fair, I’m sure that’s how they handle a lot of couples who are in the middle of divorce proceedings. Look for assertions of mental breakdown due to “stress.”

Women in the middle of divorce are killed with shocking regularity.

124 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:12:28pm
125 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:12:37pm

re: #120 Targetpractice

Parole for what?

Oh, shit. You’re right.

126 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:12:47pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

Women in the middle of divorce are killed with shocking regularity.

It’s the “If I can’t have you, no one can” syndrome.

127 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:13:05pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

Women in the middle of divorce are killed with shocking regularity.

Indeed, which is what makes me shake my head about this whole thing.

128 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:13:51pm

re: #119 makeitstop

I believe that there is what you call a parole violation.

I don’t know about parole violation, but he’s about to be under a restraining order, and guess what at least some states don’t allow you to have when you’re under one of those….

129 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:14:05pm
130 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:14:11pm

re: #121 Gus

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I never really changed my mind about Zimmerman being an utter dumbass, just gave him the benefit of the doubt in the absence of compelling evidence to the contrary. I’m rapidly realizing how much of a mistake that was.

131 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:14:18pm

re: #56 NJDhockeyfan

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I thought CNN was a major goof?

132 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:15:38pm

re: #121 Gus

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He killed an unarmed kid after essentially stalking him. That makes it tough to defend.

133 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:16:03pm

re: #132 lawhawk

He killed an unarmed kid after essentially stalking him. That makes it tough to defend.

You’d have thought that, but no.

134 erik_t  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:16:14pm

re: #128 GeneJockey

I don’t know about parole violation, but he’s about to be under a restraining order, and guess what at least some states don’t allow you to have when you’re under one of those….

Yes, however: Floriduh.

135 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:16:45pm

re: #129 Gus

That tweet makes no kind of syntactic sense to a non-tweeter.

136 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:17:05pm

re: #126 Justanotherhuman

It’s the “If I can’t have you, no one can” syndrome.

Sometimes it’s that, sometimes it just seems like an easier way to deal with the incredible stress of the conflict.

When my Mom was getting divorced, one of her sisters in law said, ‘Why don’t you just run away?’ The woman who said that was dying of breast cancer. My mom later thought maybe death was her SIL’s way of running away.

137 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:17:27pm
138 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:17:56pm

re: #134 erik_t

Yes, however: Floriduh.

I checked. As far as I can tell, it’s at the discretion of the court issuing the protective order. The law says MAY. I’d think that being accused of threatening, with a gun, would trigger that. But, as you say - Floriduh.

139 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:18:00pm

re: #91 FemNaziBitch

I thought we were all US Persons?

I’m not. he he.

140 klys  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:19:14pm

re: #139 b_sharp

I’m not. he he.

You can take your Canadian socialist health insurance and …laugh at us.

141 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:19:34pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

yikes! The Kentucky facility is about 100 miles SW of me…

I’m in Frankfort, where are you?

142 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:19:49pm
143 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:20:32pm

re: #140 klys

You can take your Canadian socialist health insurance and …laugh at us.

What’s the point of having great health insurance coverage if everyone else has it, too?
//

144 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:20:33pm

re: #116 Decatur Deb

Isn’t there some Lizard rule about posting Jonah Goldberg and Jeffrey Goldberg in sequence? Or was that about feeding them after midnight?

Feeding them at all.

145 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:20:33pm

LOL, my son just texted that he is bringing the second twin home from the NICU. Well, there goes the last night of sleep he just had!

146 Dr. Matt  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:20:42pm

Someone here owes me an apology for refuting my statement that George Killerman will not go away silently. :)

147 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:21:54pm

re: #141 aagcobb

I’m in Frankfort, where are you?

Far NE KY, a few miles south of the Ohio River.

148 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:22:01pm

re: #146 Dr. Matt

Someone here owes me an apology for refuting my statement that George Killerman will not go away silently. :)

Who the hell thought THAT?

149 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:22:03pm

2 MILLION BIKERS WITHOUT A PERMIT?
It will probably be more like 200, but that “no permit” thing is not going to end well.

150 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:22:54pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

Far NE KY, a few miles south of the Ohio River.

Company I work for has a plant near there. But on the WV side of a tributary river of the Ohio.

151 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:22:54pm

re: #135 Decatur Deb

That tweet makes no kind of syntactic sense to a non-tweeter.

It means bring your own booze.

152 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:23:30pm

Somehow, I don’t think O’Mara’s gonna take this case.

153 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:23:50pm

re: #149 Vicious Babushka

2 MILLION BIKERS WITHOUT A PERMIT?
It will probably be more like 200, but that “no permit” thing is not going to end well.

If the engine is small enough (50cc or less I think) then they might not need a permit. Moped rally!

154 Dr. Matt  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:24:03pm

re: #148 GeneJockey

Who the hell thought THAT?

I actually don’t recall. It was a while back.

155 b.d.  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:24:26pm

re: #124 Gus

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Zimmerman is never taken into custody……at first.

156 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:24:31pm

re: #149 Vicious Babushka

2 MILLION BIKERS WITHOUT A PERMIT?
It will probably be more like 200, but that “no permit” thing is not going to end well.

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Read something earlier. A sizeable number can ride, they just can’t blow through the lights and traffic control devices w/o a permit. They’re bitching that it will take all day to get their endless horde through town.

157 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:24:44pm

re: #153 Feline Fearless Leader

Image: shriners.jpg

158 Pygmalion  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:25:01pm

I can’t help but think that Assad might be trying to be clever here. What a pickle!

159 klys  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:25:13pm

re: #157 lawhawk

Image: shriners.jpg

I love how they all look like they’re having a great time.

160 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:25:43pm

re: #159 klys

I love how they all look like they’re having a great time.

That’s why they drink.

161 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:26:08pm

re: #157 lawhawk

Image: shriners.jpg

For a moment there I thought their fez said “ZORG” at the top. Which would have been pretty cool since that implied hidden high-tech weaponry in order to create suitable chaos.
/ ;)

162 Dr. Matt  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:26:09pm


163 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:26:44pm

re: #150 Feline Fearless Leader

Company I work for has a plant near there. But on the WV side of a tributary river of the Ohio.

Big Sandy River?

164 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:27:02pm

re: #159 klys

I love how they all look like they’re having a great time.

The Shriners may look silly but they do a whole bunch of good stuff with their burn hospitals.

The same can not be said about the Tea Party.

165 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:28:14pm

Pretty :)

166 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:28:18pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

Big Sandy River?

Yep.

167 klys  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:28:34pm

re: #164 Vicious Babushka

The Shriners may look silly but they do a whole bunch of good stuff with their burn hospitals.

The same can not be said about the Tea Party.

I actually love the fezzes. And that they genuinely do seem to be having fun.

The Tea Party, on the other hand, is all about being bitter and a circle of derp. And dragging the rest of us down with them.

168 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:28:37pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

Pretty :)

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Very.

169 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:31:02pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

Pretty :)

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Porsche purists will scream.

170 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:31:30pm

Fezzes are cool

171 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:31:39pm
172 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:31:42pm

re: #157 lawhawk

Image: shriners.jpg

I like their little cars. These are T-Birds…

Image: image.jpg

173 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:32:33pm

re: #142 b_sharp

Shouldn’t be posting addresses.

It’s online. I didn’t put it there. She also has a FB acct, but I didn’t link that.

174 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:33:13pm

re: #164 Vicious Babushka

The Shriners may look silly but they do a whole bunch of good stuff with their burn hospitals.

The same can not be said about the Tea Party.

In the 50’s, Masons and the RC church were still in a 300-yr tiff. (That’s why the Knights of Columbus knockoff was founded.) The Shriners still showed up every year to throw a Christmas party at our boarding (reform) school. I give them a lot of slack ever since. Yes—their burn hospitals redeem the silliness, as well as the very important Kosair Children’s hospital in Louisville.

175 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:34:03pm

Pammy hearts Vlad.

176 erik_t  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:34:44pm

re: #175 Vicious Babushka

Who wants to be like safe or something?

177 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:35:54pm

re: #176 erik_t

Who wants to be like safe or something?

In Soviet Russia, bike helmet wears you!

178 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:36:25pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

Pretty :)

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Want.

179 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:36:36pm

We also have to remember that GZ appears to have a history of domestic violence, according to reports I’ve read about a former gf who also took out a restraining order against him.

180 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:36:57pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fezzes are cool

Needs theme music….

Youtube Video

181 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:37:35pm

re: #175 Vicious Babushka

Pammy hearts Vlad.

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She doesn’t understand helmets. They’re for people who have something in their head worth protecting.

182 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:37:52pm

re: #162 Dr. Matt

I wonder if the estranged wife was wearing a hoodie when Zimmerman threatened her?

183 Dr. Matt  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:38:19pm

Apparently Zimmerman hasn’t been arrested as of yet. Here is the live video feed. clickorlando.com

Right now he’s not handcuffed and is speaking to police outside under a tree.

184 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:38:34pm

re: #181 wrenchwench

She doesn’t understand helmets. They’re for people who have something in their head worth protecting.

In her case, if the structural integrity of her cranium were compromised, the vacuum inside would cause to implode.

185 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:39:13pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

Pretty :)

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608 Horsepower! Good god.

186 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:39:25pm
187 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:40:05pm

re: #175 Vicious Babushka

Pammy hearts Vlad.

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Boy, is Putin ever PINK! Clearly, he doesn’t go shirtless much, except for photo ops. Probably got a nasty sunburn out of this one.

188 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:41:15pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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The news is bad enough without having to go to the Dish to read it…

189 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:41:19pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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Who was stupid enough to give GG that gig?

190 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:41:36pm

re: #169 Gus

Porsche purists will scream.

Fuck ‘em if they can’t take a joke. That thing looks like Boxster on steroids.

191 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:42:31pm

re: #187 GeneJockey

Boy, is Putin ever PINK! Clearly, he doesn’t go shirtless much, except for photo ops. Probably got a nasty sunburn out of this one.

That just shows he’s a Whitey White Man!

192 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:43:45pm

re: #191 Vicious Babushka

That just shows he’s a Whitey White Man!

He’s also kinda short, too, right? For him to look so big on that horse, it must have been a pony.

193 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:44:17pm

re: #175 Vicious Babushka

Pammy hearts Vlad.

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Putin has saggy moobs and flabby abs.
I’ve seen pictures of shirtless Obama…hubba hubba!

194 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:44:21pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

And Blitzer is interviewing Obama in a day or two.

195 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:44:27pm

re: #173 Justanotherhuman

It’s online. I didn’t put it there. She also has a FB acct, but I didn’t link that.

I thought there was an LGF policy against posting addresses.

Well, if not then meh.

196 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:45:17pm

clickorlando.com

This is smart.

“According to Chief Steve Bracknell, Shellie Zimmerman called 911 claiming George Zimmerman had a gun and was making threats. The victims are not speaking to police and were waiting for their attorney to arrive, Bracknell said.”

197 Dr. Matt  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:45:55pm
198 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:46:01pm

re: #195 b_sharp

I thought there was an LGF policy against posting addresses.

Well, if not then meh.

If there is, I apologize and will ask Charles to remove.

199 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:46:51pm

re: #192 GeneJockey

He’s also kinda short, too, right? For him to look so big on that horse, it must have been a pony.

5’6” maybe.

Isn’t Obama a practitioner of Karate or tae kwon do?

200 kerFuFFler  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:46:57pm

re: #44 Lawrence Schmerel

The situation is becoming very ironic. Republicans appearing to be concerned about starting a war. Obama being cast by many as a warmonger. Russia now appearing to be a peacemaker. It’s weird.

Add in the fact that conservatives are siding with Assad when their own domestic fear is that the US government is looking for an excuse to slaughter its own citizenry (for being Christian or owning gunz….) and you have truly entered bizarro-world.

201 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:47:39pm

re: #173 Justanotherhuman

It’s online. I didn’t put it there. She also has a FB acct, but I didn’t link that.

Sorry, but I do have a policy against posting addresses here. Posting a link to the web page is OK - because then they’re the ones responsible for making the address public, and updating if it changes.

202 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:47:56pm

re: #199 b_sharp

5’6” maybe.

Isn’t Obama a practitioner of Karate or tae kwon do?

I thought it was 11 dimensional chess…

203 abolitionist  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:48:03pm

re: #198 Justanotherhuman

If there is, I apologize and will ask Charles to remove.

Already been removed.

204 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:48:05pm

re: #199 b_sharp

5’6” maybe.

Isn’t Obama a practitioner of Karate or tae kwon do?

Until this ‘red line’ thing, I thought he was a master of Mind Fuk Fu. Maybe he still is.

205 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:48:26pm

re: #198 Justanotherhuman

If there is, I apologize and will ask Charles to remove.

There used to be, but as you say it is available on the net so that may mitigate it.

206 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:48:38pm

re: #197 Dr. Matt

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Like I said, the cops are going to be on his side forever. But, after they talk w/victims and the atty, who probably want him arrested for domestic threats, will they pick him up?

This is infuriating.

207 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:49:00pm

re: #202 GeneJockey

I thought it was 11 dimensional chess…

That’s his job.

208 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:49:13pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

Sorry, but I do have a policy against posting addresses here. Posting a link to the web page is OK - because then they’re the ones responsible for making the address public, and updating if it changes.

Please remove if I can’t edit. Thanks. Sorry for my ignorance.

I see you’ve done it. Thank you.

209 b.d.  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:49:46pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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Glenn Greenwald on CNN to discuss Syria?

wtf? I guess he is going on to denounce Germany for intercepting their phone transmissions and then having the gall to decode them?

210 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:50:08pm

re: #167 klys

I want a fez! As both a fan of Doctor Who and the Tanzimat.

211 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:52:35pm
212 ObserverArt  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:52:59pm

re: #44 Lawrence Schmerel

The situation is becoming very ironic. Republicans appearing to be concerned about starting a war. Obama being cast by many as a warmonger. Russia now appearing to be a peacemaker. It’s weird.

All it takes is the Middle East. No one wants to deal with the Middle East. Even the Middle Easterners don’t want to deal with it.

The Fertile Crescent. The Birthplace of Civilization.

God help us.

213 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:54:37pm

re: #192 GeneJockey

You got to wonder if that is why he is so aggressive. Little man syndrome and all that. Also, Obama’s like, what, 6 inches taller.

What we really need is a big guy as President to intimidate Putin. Say, 6’10”, weighing about 250 lbs.

214 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:55:01pm

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

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Caves are cool! As a claustrophobe, I’m glad there are lots of other people to explore them and take pics!

215 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:55:22pm

re: #213 ProTARDISLiberal

You got to wonder if that is why he is so aggressive. Little man syndrome and all that. Also, Obama’s like, what, 6 inches taller.

What we really need is a big guy as President to intimidate Putin. Say, 6’10”, weighing about 250 lbs.

Dennis Rodman has foreign policy experience.

216 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:55:25pm

re: #213 ProTARDISLiberal

You got to wonder if that is why he is so aggressive. Little man syndrome and all that. Also, Obama’s like, what, 6 inches taller.

What we really need is a big guy as President to intimidate Putin. Say, 6’10”, weighing about 250 lbs.

Putin has nukes. Tall guys aren’t going to intimidate him.

217 Dr. Matt  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:55:44pm

re: #206 Justanotherhuman

Like I said, the cops are going to be on his side forever. But, after they talk w/victims and the atty, who probably want him arrested for domestic threats, will they pick him up?

This is infuriating.

Irrespective of what happens, the Killerman apologists will be going full-bore misogynist against the victim.

218 klys  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:55:47pm

re: #214 GeneJockey

Caves are cool! As a claustrophobe, I’m glad there are lots of other people to explore them and take pics!

I am not typically claustrophobic, but some of the tight passages required for exploring caves are not for me.

219 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:56:14pm

re: #213 ProTARDISLiberal

You got to wonder if that is why he is so aggressive. Little man syndrome and all that. Also, Obama’s like, what, 6 inches taller.

What we really need is a big guy as President to intimidate Putin. Say, 6’10”, weighing about 250 lbs.

That’s pretty much the opposite of how a Napoleon Complex works. If we did that, he’d be MORE aggressive.

220 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:56:56pm

MSNBC reporting that GZ put “his hand on his gun” and also struck Shellie’s father, and police are treating it as a “battery” case.

But they allowed him to go? WTF?

The very fact that he actually showed up at her parents’ house, more than likely uninvited, means he was probably trespassing, and it escalated when they tried to get him to leave.

I think he’s a walking time bomb.

221 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:58:32pm

re: #219 GeneJockey

Funny thing is, Napoleon was of average height for the time.

Putin is smaller than average. He would be a shrimp here.

222 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:58:40pm
223 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:58:46pm

re: #219 GeneJockey

That’s pretty much the opposite of how a Napoleon Complex works. If we did that, he’d be MORE aggressive.

Napoleon was actually about 5’8” which was pretty average for men of that time, but his enemies made up the legend that he was very short, to “belittle” him I guess.

224 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:58:49pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Assad will make a “serious” effort at first but even the starting negotiations will take a couple months. Then there’s the details and logistics about moving stuff around, access to certain areas. more negotiations, etc. Inspectors could be on the ground in a couple months. The cat and mouse could go on for years.

Better that than a war. Inspections/sanctions kept Saddam disarmed. They will keep Assad disarmed too.

225 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:59:01pm

I can so easily hear him saying: “I’m George Zimmerman, bitch!”

226 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:59:03pm

re: #218 klys

I am not typically claustrophobic, but some of the tight passages required for exploring caves are not for me.

There’s a cave near Angel’s Camp where the family and I went once. To get to the cave, you can go down this spiral staircase cut into the rock. It’s about 3 feet wide and 6 feet tall. No way in hell. Even thinking about it just now I have the willies.

227 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:59:17pm

re: #223 Vicious Babushka

Putin is shorter than Napoleon. Think about that for one minute.

228 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:01:05pm

re: #227 ProTARDISLiberal

Putin is shorter than Napoleon. Think about that for one minute.

But is Putin taller than Tom Cruise?

229 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:01:13pm

re: #223 Vicious Babushka

Napoleon was actually about 5’8” which was pretty normal for men of that time, but his enemies made up the legend that he was very short, to “belittle” him I guess.

Dunno. I didn’t name the complex. I guess the winners write the history books, and apparently the DSM as well!

230 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:01:31pm

re: #126 Justanotherhuman

It’s the “If I can’t have you, no one can” syndrome.

Or, “You’re not getting half of anything.”
$$$

231 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:01:42pm
232 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:01:56pm

**24 hour rule**

233 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:02:07pm

re: #220 Justanotherhuman

MSNBC reporting that GZ put “his hand on his gun” and also struck Shellie’s father, and police are treating it as a “battery” case.

But they allowed him to go? WTF?

The very fact that he actually showed up at her parents’ house, more than likely uninvited, means he was probably trespassing, and it escalated when they tried to get him to leave.

I think he’s a walking time bomb.

He got away with murder. He thinks he’s above the law. This will end badly. And in the cases of most domestic violence, it could be prevented.

234 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:02:11pm
235 palomino  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:02:19pm

re: #122 lawhawk

Things no one was overheard saying about Zimmerman….

OTOH, he is either the most unlucky guy in the world, a magnet for all that special kind of Florida crazy, or he’s realized the cause of, and solution to, all of life’s problems is a firearm.


Damn, and all this time I thought it was wine and weed.

236 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:03:27pm

re: #235 palomino

Damn, and all this time I thought it was wine and weed.

I thought it was weed, WHITES, and wine?

237 erik_t  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:03:35pm

re: #223 Vicious Babushka

Napoleon was actually about 5’8” which was pretty average for men of that time, but his enemies made up the legend that he was very short, to “belittle” him I guess.

Actually, the French used a different definition of the foot than we do now, and than the English did at the time. That’s where it comes from.

The French foot of the time was about 6% larger than ours. So he was like five foot nothing… in French feet.

238 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:03:57pm

re: #226 GeneJockey

There’s a cave near Angel’s Camp where the family and I went once. To get to the cave, you can go down this spiral staircase cut into the rock. It’s about 3 feet wide and 6 feet tall. No way in hell. Even thinking about it just now I have the willies.

Moaning Cavern, you can also rappel through the roof of the cave on 200’ ropes. It’s the best way to get down to the bottom.

239 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:04:21pm

re: #236 GeneJockey

I thought it was weed, WHITES, and wine?

That’s if you’re driving.

240 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:04:27pm

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

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Somehow I doubt that’s real.

241 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:04:41pm

re: #204 Decatur Deb

Until this ‘red line’ thing, I thought he was a master of Mind Fuk Fu. Maybe he still is.

I kind of think he still is…
Sometimes it’s not what you do, but what others think you might do.

242 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:06:56pm

re: #241 OhNoZombies!

I kind of think he still is…
Sometimes it’s not what you do, but what others think you might do.

Jeez, I hope so.

243 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:07:59pm

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

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From a Cracked photo context.

244 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:08:54pm

re: #238 Single-handed sailor

Moaning Cavern, you can also rappel through the roof of the cave on 200’ ropes. It’s the best way to get down to the bottom.

My older son, who accompanied his Mom down the staircase, still remembers when they turned out the lights. It wasn’t the total darkness that scared him. It was the thought that the light might malfunction and not come back on.

245 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:15:58pm

Web view stats—article starts w/ bad popups, but they fade quickly.

Final Tally: Americans Were 12 Times More Interested in Miley Cyrus Than Syria

nymag.com

246 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:17:27pm

re: #237 erik_t

Actually, the French used a different definition of the foot than we do now, and than the English did at the time. That’s where it comes from.

The French foot of the time was about 6% larger than ours. So he was like five foot nothing… in French feet.

Don’t you mean Freedom Feet?

/

247 Good Morning  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 2:25:17pm

He’s ahead in points, so running out the clock makes sense.

248 Pip's Squeak  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 9:15:29pm

re: #39 Dr Lizardo

Thanks for the information. I’ll give them a try. I’ve read about ten of the series — the best one is The Tears of the Giraffe — and can understand why they might not make successful TV. In a way it could be like trying to film the New York Trilogy. Not enough happens.


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