Why Is Glenn Greenwald Promoting an Extreme Right Wing Militia?

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Activist Glenn Greenwald posted this today on Twitter, hyping a pro-Edward Snowden advertisement featured at reason.com:

Who is this “coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials” Greenwald is promoting?

It’s the “Oathkeepers,” one of the most extreme right wing militia groups in the US, and one of many offshoots of the Patriot movement, with numerous ties to white nationalist and xenophobic anti-immigrant groups. Their founder, Stewart Rhodes, believes Barack Obama is plotting to disarm American citizens and turn US cities into “giant concentration camps.” He explained the goals of the group like this:

“We say if the American people decide it’s time for a revolution, we’ll fight with you.”

And what does the ad Greenwald’s promoting look like? (h/t: SmartyPants.)

Rarely has Greenwald exposed his virulent extremism so well.

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376 comments
1 freetoken  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:09:40pm

Have the GG bots come out in defense of this yet?

2 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:10:55pm

GG has a rabble to rouse.

Anything to damage the US government.

3 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:13:20pm

Glenn Greenwald + Oathkeepers because TEH JUICE.

The comments section for this Guardian article is like Stormfront. And this is after the “moderator” has deleted a bunch of posts.

4 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:13:29pm

Lie down with dangerous nutjobs…

5 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:14:22pm

re: #2 Kragar

GG has a rabble to rouse.

Anything to damage the US government.

Greenwald’s big scoop today is the US is sharing intel with Israel.
Greenwald Reveals NSA Israeli Intelligence Deal

6 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:15:12pm

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

Glenn Greenwald + Oathkeepers because TEH JUICE.

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I think we’d need a hybrid wingnut/dudebro font to write:

ITZ THE JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZZZZZZZ, MAN!!

*headdesk*

7 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:15:49pm

Greenwald is a Russian intelligence tool and doesn’t even know it. Rather than paying him in cash they let other people pay him with internet pats on the head.

8 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:16:45pm

re: #7 b.d.

Greenwald is a Russian intelligence tool and doesn’t even know it.

Are you sure about that?

9 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:17:15pm

When you only have 140 characters to work with, why would he use ‘A coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials’ instead of ‘the Oathkeepers’?

I suspect it was not because he thought people would not recognize the name. More likely he thought people would recognize the name.

10 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:17:25pm

Allied nations sharing intelligence data is one of the worst forms of tyranny.
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11 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:18:29pm

re: #7 b.d.

Greenwald is a Russian intelligence tool and doesn’t even know it. Rather than paying him in cash they let other people pay him with internet pats on the head.

12 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:18:47pm

re: #8 Internet Tough Guy

Are you sure about that?

I’m counting on him thinking that he is too smart to be played like this and there is no reason for Russia to clue him in.

14 piratedan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:20:07pm

never have I seen so much idiocy encapsulated in one line, Snowden honored his oath since the last general election….

Goebbels would have been proud… nothing sells like the big lie I suppose….

15 simoom  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:20:53pm

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

Glenn Greenwald + Oathkeepers because TEH JUICE.

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I suppose it was a predictable turn for his anti-western-intelligence propaganda to take. He’s trying to add to his coalition of cranks both paranoid RW-militia insurrectionists and the alex jones-listening, “everything is a jewish conspiracy” nuts.

16 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:21:11pm

re: #14 piratedan

never have I seen so much idiocy encapsulated in one line, Snowden honored his oath since the last general election….

Goebbels would have been proud… nothing sells like the big lie I suppose….

That’s true. It certainly beats the local attempt “Snowden is Batman” by a wide margin.

17 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:21:53pm

re: #14 piratedan

never have I seen so much idiocy encapsulated in one line, Snowden honored his oath since the last general election….

Goebbels would have been proud… nothing sells like the big lie I suppose….

Actually, he violated several, but who pays attention to facts nowadays.

18 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:22:32pm

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

Several bikers have been involved in traffic accidents in the “2 Million Biker Ride to DC”

Nothing says honoring first responders more than making them respond to your boneheaded traffic accidents.

19 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:22:39pm

re: #14 piratedan

never have I seen so much idiocy encapsulated in one line, Snowden honored his oath since the last general election….

Goebbels would have been proud… nothing sells like the big lie I suppose….

What ‘oath’ did they have in mind? Certainly not the non-disclosure agreement he would have had to sign to get his gig at Booz.

20 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:23:53pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

When you only have 140 characters to work with, why would he use ‘A coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials’ instead of ‘the Oathkeepers’?

I suspect it was not because he thought people would not recognize the name. More likely he thought people would recognize the name.

Exactly.

21 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:24:00pm

I wonder what oaths/pledges Snowden has taken since he landed in Russia?

22 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:24:12pm
23 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:24:33pm
24 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:24:46pm

re: #2 Kragar

GG has a rabble to rouse.

Anything to damage the US government.

His anti-government preference massively overwhelms any of the other political axes or issues. Therefore, his support/promotion will not concern itself at all about the left-right or any other criteria beyond being against the US government.

25 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:25:26pm

re: #21 b.d.

In Russia, Pledges Snowden.

26 kindness  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:26:11pm

I think Glenn Greenwald isn’t as smart as he thinks he is. Yea, that’s obvious so I shouldn’t really have to say it. Glenn knows some stuff. This isn’t one of them as Glenn himself shows us.

27 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:27:39pm

There’s so much wrong with the Israel story too. For starters, the memorandum they published is not even signed by the director of the NSA.

28 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:27:56pm

re: #14 piratedan

Snowden did not take any oath with respect to the Constitution when he was cleared. Instead, he would have made promises to treat classified material properly.

Not only have these promises been broken, he most likely never intended to abide by his promises in the first place.

29 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:28:02pm

re: #26 kindness

Welcome, hatchling.

30 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:28:41pm

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

I wonder how many of these guys are used to driving bikes in high traffic areas? If you’ve never done it or haven’t done it much, it is really easy to fuck up. Over correcting or not paying enough attention. My husband bitches about that all the time,lol. There are some people he refuses to even ride with because they think people will move for them because they’re on a Harley. Um. No.

31 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:29:20pm

oat keepers was founded in 2009

if there ever is another republican president, let’s see if they still distrust the government

32 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:29:57pm

What about taking an oath knowing before hand that you intend to break it?

33 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:31:56pm

re: #30 A Mom Anon

I wonder how many of these guys are used to driving bikes in high traffic areas? If you’ve never done it or haven’t done it much, it is really easy to fuck up. Over correcting or not paying enough attention. My husband bitches about that all the time,lol. There are some people he refuses to even ride with because they think people will move for them because they’re on a Harley. Um. No.

A bunch of guys on Harleys in a long line, traffic lights with impatient drivers waiting, a number of riders not used to riding in formation - what could possibly go wrong?
//

34 piratedan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:32:57pm

re: #28 EPR-radar

I do believe that he had to take an oath when he was in the military and then discharged….. then again that’s no “By Grabthar’s Hammer, I Shall Avenge Thee”……

35 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:33:24pm

Oathkeeper’s ‘10 Orders We Will Not Obey’

a declaration of fierce resistance to ten things that have never happened

36 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:33:36pm

re: #32 b.d.

What about taking an oath knowing before hand that you intend to break it?

“I had my fingers crossed.”

37 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:34:13pm
38 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:34:18pm

The Jesse Walker Reason piece claims the Oathkeepers are a non-violent group pledged to resist unconstitutional orders, but they talk like extreme gun-fondling survivalists.

39 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:35:51pm

re: #34 piratedan

I do believe that he had to take an oath when he was in the military and then discharged….. then again that’s no “By Grabthar’s Hammer, I Shall Avenge Thee”……

I was thinking of the promises he made to get security clearances.

His military service oaths are another issue. He’s probably managed to violate those too, if any were still binding at the time he embarked on his espionage junket.

40 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:36:28pm

re: #38 jaunte

The Jesse Walker Reason piece claims the Oathkeepers are a non-violent group pledged to resist unconstitutional orders, but they talk like extreme gun-fondling survivalists.

You say ‘tomato’, and I say ‘tomahto’….

41 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:36:29pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

There’s so much wrong with the Israel story too. For starters, the memorandum they published is not even signed by the director of the NSA.

If it mentions Israel that’s enough for Greenwald.

And it’s not like it wasn’t already public knowledge that the US was sharing intel with Israel and vice versa.

I wouldn’t fixate on the lack of a signature though.

It seems that all these news stories are intended to screw up US foreign relations with its allies and reveal details of its lawful spy operations (on those outside the US) to enemies and those who wish to do harm to the US.

That kind of laser-like focus is hard to ignore too.

42 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:37:02pm
“and other public officials”

Name one.

43 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:37:33pm

re: #35 dog philosopher

Oathkeeper’s ‘10 Orders We Will Not Obey’

a declaration of fierce resistance to ten things that have never happened

But, like Weimar-style hyperinflation, it’s always just around the corner. And the lack of evidence proves it!!!

44 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:38:08pm

re: #38 jaunte

The Jesse Walker Reason piece claims the Oathkeepers are a non-violent group pledged to resist unconstitutional orders, but they talk like extreme gun-fondling survivalists.

That is because they are extreme gun-fondling survivalists, of course.

If they align a bit more explicitly with GOP, the analogies with various violent fascist goons will be impossible to avoid.

45 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:39:23pm

re: #38 jaunte

The Jesse Walker Reason piece claims the Oathkeepers are a non-violent group pledged to resist unconstitutional orders, but they talk like extreme gun-fondling survivalists.

They run with the Threepers, a faction of which is building the “Citadel” redoubt. Fortunately, the Three Percenter movement is riven by scams, including said Citadel development. Threeper genes flow back to the militia movements of the Clinton era.

salon.com

46 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:40:07pm

the oat keepers’ vow to resist 10 of their most cherished fantasy repressions reminds me of the know nothings of the pre civil war era:

In ”Presidential Campaigns” (Oxford), Paul F. Boller Jr. recalls some of the ridicule directed by opponents at the nativist, anti-Catholic Know- Nothings in the Presidential election of 1856 - which did not prevent the Know-Nothing candidate, Millard Fillmore, from polling some 25 percent of the popular vote.

”The pretended Know-Nothing apprehension lest a successor of Julius II should acquire supremacy over the American Union,” wrote one critic of the nativists, ”is as absurd an anachronism as would be the anticipation of a Carthaginian invasion, or the subjection of the country by mail-clad warriors of a descendant of William of Normandy.” Some anti-nativists organized ”Say-Nothing,” ”Do-Nothing,” and ”Owe-Nothing” societies to ridicule the Know-Nothings. They also burlesqued Know-Nothing ceremonies: pictured initiates being seized by a Revolutionary war veteran, whirled around three times, and asked: ”Should Uncle Sam’s farm, or Brother Jonathan’s nation, ever be threatened by the cannibals of the uninhabited regions around the South Pole, or the Goths and Vandals who drove the Romans into the Mediterranean Sea, will you take up arms, pitchforks, stove pipes, wooden nutmegs, saw logs, and swear by the great horn spoon to lick all creation?”

47 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:40:11pm

How do people think this shit is a good idea, honestly:

Image: t7Oqfck.jpg

I’m half-inclined to think it’s parody but I’ve known PR people who would do something like that.

48 piratedan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:40:18pm

re: #44 EPR-radar

That is because they are extreme gun-fondling survivalists, of course.

If they align a bit more explicitly with GOP, the analogies with various violent fascist goons will be impossible to avoid.

another case of stop listening to what they say, start examining what they do… same applies to our erstwhile “whistleblower” who has recently taken up residence abroad….

49 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:40:57pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

They run with the Threepers, a faction of which is building the “Citadel” redoubt. Fortunately, the Three Percenter movement is riven by scams, including said Citadel development. Threeper genes flow back to the militia movements of the Clinton era.

salon.com

The US militia movement: A bunch of SA wannabes waiting for a political party to request their “services”.

50 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:41:02pm

re: #47 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

How do people think this shit is a good idea, honestly:

Image: t7Oqfck.jpg

I’m half-inclined to think it’s parody but I’ve known PR people who would do something like that.

Five Most Ridiculous 9/11 Tributes Spotted This Year

51 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:41:16pm

re: #44 EPR-radar

extreme gun-fondling

heh

52 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:41:18pm
Who is this “coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials” Greenwald is promoting?

It’s the “Oathkeepers,” one of the most extreme right wing militia groups in the US, and one of many offshoots of the Patriot movement, with numerous ties to white nationalist and xenophobic anti-immigrant groups.

Oh, this is comforting. //

53 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:42:05pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

That Citadel project looks like a guaranteed money pit.

54 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:42:10pm

re: #43 GeneJockey

But, like Weimar-style hyperinflation, it’s always just around the corner. And the lack of evidence proves it!!!

IT’S ALL GONNA COLLAPSE ANY DAY NOW! JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE! WHO’S GONNA BE LAUGHING THEN, HUH?!

That pretty much captures the gist of many on the survivalist/prepper fringe.

Don’t get me wrong; I have no problems against being prepared for any emergency or contingency. I have candles in case the power fails, as well as a weeks worth of non-perishable foodstuffs in case of the same event. It unlikely the power would be out that long here in the eastern Czech Republic - the longest power outage I’ve seen is two hours or so.

I suppose I could get snowbound if we were to have an extreme snow event, but again, that’s also rather unlikely.

But a general societal collapse? Zombie hordes? Rampaging hordes of Visigoths?

Not so much.

55 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:43:15pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

The Jesse Walker Reason piece claims the Oathkeepers are a non-violent group pledged to resist unconstitutional orders, but they talk like extreme gun-fondling survivalists.

So they plan to non-violently “resist unconstitutional orders”? /

56 klys  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:43:26pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

They all sound like lovely people, really.

57 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:43:56pm

All right, I’m going to say it.
GG is a racist.

58 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:44:17pm

re: #56 klys

They all sound like lovely people, really.

We should have them over for dinner.

59 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:45:00pm

re: #57 Pavlovian Hive Mind

All right, I’m going to say it.
GG is a racist.

That means you’re the real racist, then.

60 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:45:39pm

re: #49 EPR-radar

The US militia movement: A bunch of SA wannabes waiting for a political party to request their “services”.

There was also bit of an Oathkeeper filament to the now-famous PA chief of police who got suspended for full-auto idiocy, but they disassociated. They have their standards, y’know.

61 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:45:39pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

There’s so much wrong with the Israel story too. For starters, the memorandum they published is not even signed by the director of the NSA.

But…but…TEH JUICE!!!11!!!11

62 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:45:50pm

re: #53 jaunte

That Citadel project looks like a guaranteed money pit.

What could possibly go wrong?
/

63 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:45:55pm

re: #56 klys

They all sound like lovely people, really.

Oh, yes. Neo-confederates are my favorites.

Item #5 from the oath keepers manifesto

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.

64 Jack Burton  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:46:30pm

re: #55 Bulworth

So they plan to non-violently “resist unconstitutional orders”? /

Isn’t there already provisions in thee UCMJ for refusing illegal orders?

or is that not bootstrappy/hair on firey enough for these people?

65 klys  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:46:37pm

re: #63 EPR-radar

Well, I’m not sure I’d want to be ordered into TX either…

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66 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:46:55pm

re: #53 jaunte

That Citadel project looks like a guaranteed money pit.

Think of it as the first line of defense for Galt’s Gulch.

67 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:47:01pm

re: #30 A Mom Anon

I wonder how many of these guys are used to driving bikes in high traffic areas? If you’ve never done it or haven’t done it much, it is really easy to fuck up. Over correcting or not paying enough attention. My husband bitches about that all the time,lol. There are some people he refuses to even ride with because they think people will move for them because they’re on a Harley. Um. No.

To a trucker, a Harley is “roadkill”

68 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:47:19pm

re: #53 jaunte

That Citadel project looks like a guaranteed money pit.

Expect them to start a “brick campaign” any day now.
//

69 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:47:28pm

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

Don’t know how I managed to escape this but, praise be./

70 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:48:01pm

re: #54 Dr Lizardo

IT’S ALL GONNA COLLAPSE ANY DAY NOW! JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE! WHO’S GONNA BE LAUGHING THEN, HUH?!

That pretty much captures the gist of many on the survivalist/prepper fringe.

Don’t get me wrong; I have no problems against being prepared for any emergency or contingency. I have candles in case the power fails, as well as a weeks worth of non-perishable foodstuffs in case of the same event. It unlikely the power would be out that long here in the eastern Czech Republic - the longest power outage I’ve seen is two hours or so.

I suppose I could get snowbound if we were to have an extreme snow event, but again, that’s also rather unlikely.

But a general societal collapse? Zombie hordes? Rampaging hordes of Visigoths?

Not so much.

The Invisigoths will be a greater threat since you won’t see them coming.
:p

71 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:48:24pm

Nice bunch of fellows there Glenn

Man With Napalm Bomb is Latest Oath Keeper to Face Trial

Link

72 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:49:31pm

re: #70 Feline Fearless Leader

The Invisigoths will be a greater threat since you won’t see them coming.
:p

Don’t get me started on those f***ing Invisigoths!! They stole all my IKEA forks!

Bastards!!!!

73 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:49:42pm

re: #71 b.d.

Yet another self-described Oath Keeper, Charles Dyer, was arrested in January for the alleged rape and forcible sodomy of a 7-year-old child, and for possessing a grenade launcher that had been stolen from a California military base in 2006.

74 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:49:56pm

re: #49 EPR-radar

The US militia movement: A bunch of SA wannabes waiting for a political party to request their “services”.

Everyone has forgotten it, but that’s sort of how the American Legion started. Fortunately they morphed into bartending.

75 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:50:16pm

re: #15 simoom

I guess the clowncar was starting to empty out. When you have to add the Oathkeepers…..

76 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:50:23pm

re: #72 Dr Lizardo

Don’t get me started on those f***ing Invisigoths!! They stole all my IKEA forks!

Bastards!!!!

They needed those to fend off Atilla The Bun.
:)

77 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:50:56pm
78 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:51:41pm

re: #73 b.d.

What oath was HE keeping, I wonder?

79 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:53:44pm

re: #76 Feline Fearless Leader

They needed those to fend off Atilla The Bun.
:)

LOL.

:)

I’m thinking of ordering some stainless steel sporks. I love sporks.

80 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:55:18pm

This guy is RTing every 9/11 FAIL “tribute”

82 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 1:59:10pm

re: #23 lawhawk

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Godddamn Oathbreakers. That’s all I call them because that’s all they are - asshats who don’t want to have to do their duty because a black man is president. Fuck them and their pretense.

83 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:01:55pm

They seem like such nice young men.

One Oath Keeper in Georgia, however, decided to go beyond just disobeying orders. He’s been accused of plotting to take over a Tennessee courthouse and put two dozen officials under “citizen’s arrest.”

Link

84 sizzzzlerz  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:02:16pm
Oathkeeper’s ‘10 Orders We Will Not Obey’
a declaration of fierce resistance to ten things that have never happened

Oathkeepers: protecting us from strawmen since 2008.

85 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:02:31pm

re: #64 Jack Burton

Isn’t there already provisions in thee UCMJ for refusing illegal orders?

or is that not bootstrappy/hair on firey enough for these people?

If an order is truly illegal - murder of civilians or POW’s for example - you are required by regulation to not obey the order. What some little asshat in his momma’s basement thinks is illegal? Not so much.

86 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:03:57pm

re: #83 b.d.

According to Talking Points Memo, Fitzpatrick walked into the courthouse in Madisonville, Tenn., on April 1 and approached the foreman. “I’m charging you with official misconduct,” Fitzpatrick calmly said. “I’m placing you under arrest. You must now come with me.”

Apparently, Fitzpatrick, a retired Navy commander who is a leader in the group American Grand Jury (AGJ), targeted the grand jury foreman because he refused to investigate President Obama for fraud. The AGJ seeks to indict Obama for treason on the grounds that he is not a U.S. citizen. Fitzpatrick was charged with disorderly conduct, inciting to riot, disrupting a meeting and resisting arrest, according to the news report.

0-o

87 calochortus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:06:03pm
88 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:07:02pm

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Lifting a line from WorldNetDaily, he accused gay rights advocates of using mob-like tactics and shouting “Homo Akbar!”

“This is happening everywhere,” Fischer argued. “That bakery couple in Oregon had their bakery completely shut down by a homosexual mob, a homosexual mafia; they cried ‘Homo-Akbar!’ and assaulted, stormed metaphorically, the bakery and got it completely shut down.”

Later in the segment, the Focal Point host maintained that President Obama “has made it a criminal offense to be a sincerely devoted follower of Jesus Christ in the United States Military” and accused Obama of “leading this purge of Christians from the military. This is ethnic cleansing, this is spiritual cleansing.”

89 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:07:06pm

re: #86 jaunte

0-o

God Bless America.

90 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:08:47pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

An Open Letter to Jihadis on the Anniversary of September 11

Very true.

Many of the “jihadis” are of the vanguardist mentality. They seek to purify the Ummah from “innovations” and “immorality”. They declare that Islam is dead, and that they alone represent the true path of the faith, that they are the seed of its revival. And woe and betide to any who dare to dispute their self-appointed status as “saviors”.

And what is their goal? A utopian fantasy-land that has never existed in the Islamic past - despite their assertions - and one that is less a Paradise than it is Hell on earth. They will be the new masters of this utopia, the arbiters of what is right and wrong. Such arrogance is mind-boggling; such deliberate blindness to the destruction and suffering they’ve caused is breathtaking.

91 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:08:54pm

re: #83 b.d.

They seem like such nice young men.

Link

Sounds like a big overlap with Sovereign Citizen swampgas. I hope the guys in these nutgroups each join a dozen or so of them—otherwise there are a lot of well-armed deep-thinkers out there.

92 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:08:55pm
93 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:10:44pm

Could you imagine Greenwald doing this while Bush was in the White House and the subsequent reaction from Ed Morrissey?

94 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:11:52pm

re: #35 dog philosopher

Oathkeeper’s ‘10 Orders We Will Not Obey’

a declaration of fierce resistance to ten things that have never happened

The oath keepers list.

1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects - such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.

3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.

10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

Of these, items 1, 6, 8, 9 and 10 are paranoid delusions.

Item 2 is debatable.

Items 3, 4, 5, and 7 have occurred in US history, although only item #3 has occurred recently.

Like most CT types, their list includes a few scraps of truth to help advance the overall paranoid agenda.

95 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:11:57pm
96 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:12:05pm

re: #90 Dr Lizardo

Very true.

Many of the “jihadis” are of the vanguardist mentality. They seek to purify the Ummah from “innovations” and “immorality”. They declare that Islam is dead, and that they alone represent the true path of the faith, that they are the seed of its revival. And woe and betide to any who dare to dispute their self-appointed status as “saviors”.

And what is their goal? A utopian fantasy-land that has never existed in the Islamic past - despite their assertions - and one that is less a Paradise than it is Hell on earth. They will be the new masters of this utopia, the arbiters of what is right and wrong. Such arrogance is mind-boggling; such deliberate blindness to the destruction and suffering they’ve caused is breathtaking.

Sounds remarkably like the Christian nuts we have here. Thus my continued remarks that Fischer and others are not against the Islam extremists for their desired results - but simply that they won’t be under their control in implementing them.

97 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:12:49pm

Oh…is it time to tell Greenwald to go fuck himself again already? My how time flies when you’re in meetings all day.

98 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:13:28pm

re: #92 Gus

Greenwald’s pretty obviously reaching out to the right wing lately. He’s trying to enlist the crazier elements of the right to match the crazier elements of the left. All he cares about is more people for his nihilist cult - he doesn’t really stand for anything except destroying as much of the US government as possible.

99 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:15:25pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

All he cares about is more people for his nihilist cult - he doesn’t really stand for anything except destroying as much of the US government as possible.

Well, that and attention. He could do far more damage if he felt free to act in the shadows, rather than getting his ego stroked on Twitter like a four year old at his birthday party.

100 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:16:20pm

re: #96 Feline Fearless Leader

Sounds remarkably like the Christian nuts we have here. Thus my continued remarks that Fischer and others are not against the Islam extremists for their desired results - but simply that they won’t be under their control in implementing them.

They are strikingly similar despite the obvious theological differences. Whether one is talking about jihadists or those who adhere to the Seven Mountains strategy of Dominionism, it’s all basically vanguardism.

Vanguardism was the fatal flaw at the heart of the Leninist ideology; the idea that the Bolsheviks represented the Russian proletariat not as they were at that moment they seized power, but rather, as the proletariat would become under the Bolshevik’s leadership.

It is not practical politics that drives such movements; it is the politics of prophecy.

101 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:16:33pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Greenwald’s pretty obviously reaching out to the right wing lately. He’s trying to enlist the crazier elements of the right to match the crazier elements of the left. All he cares about is more people for his nihilist cult - he doesn’t really stand for anything except destroying as much of the US government as possible.

One interesting thing about this episode is that it demonstrates that “guilt by associate” can sometimes be a valid form of reasoning.

102 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:16:38pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Greenwald’s pretty obviously reaching out to the right wing lately.

The crazies on the right are easier to grift for money.

103 calochortus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:16:54pm

re: #94 EPR-radar

So they wouldn’t have detained John Walker Lindh? That surprises me. Or isn’t that what they meant? That would not surprise me.

104 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:17:39pm
Oath Keepers is officially nonpartisan, in part to make it easier for active-duty soldiers to participate, but its rightward bent is undeniable, and liberals are viewed with suspicion. At lunch, when I questioned my tablemates about the Obama-Hitler comparisons I’d heard at the conference, I got a step-by-step tutorial on how the president’s socialized medicine agenda would beget a Nazi-style regime.

Mother Jones

105 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:18:11pm

re: #94 EPR-radar

The oath keepers list.

Of these, items 1, 6, 8, 9 and 10 are paranoid delusions.

Item 2 is debatable.

Items 3, 4, 5, and 7 have occurred in US history, although only item #3 has occurred recently.

Like most CT types, their list includes a few scraps of truth to help advance the overall paranoid agenda.

Good breakdown. A good bit really says they don’t want to be in Mr. Lincoln’s Army.

106 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:18:25pm


I don’t know what that means.

107 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:19:12pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

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I don’t know what that means.

carcharodon are sharks

108 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:19:29pm

I wish they would just start and get it over with already. I’m so sick of hearing about these wannabe revolutionaries.

109 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:19:47pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

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I don’t know what that means.

LOLOLOLOL

A rather fancy way of saying GG has jumped the shark completely, and not just the shark, but the whole damned ocean containing the shark as well.

110 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:19:49pm

re: #107 Kragar

carcharodon are sharks

Thanks, now it all makes sense.

111 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:19:54pm

re: #102 darthstar

The crazies on the right are easier to grift for money.

Crazies on the right have the money.

112 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:20:43pm

re: #108 GlutenFreeJesus

I wish they would just start and get it over with already. I’m so sick of hearing about these wannabe revolutionaries.

They gotta charge up their mobility scooters first.

113 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:21:07pm
114 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:22:52pm
115 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:23:02pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

.

Since Greenwald chose to promote the Oath Keepers for running pro-Snowden ads on today of all days, even though the story he linked to was published in July, I should point out that the Oath Keepers are also 9/11 truthers.

Mic dropped.

116 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:23:38pm

GFY Hairball

117 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:24:54pm
118 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:25:16pm

My teabagger congresscreep.


Those men deserve some recognition, but to Pearce, it’s a subtle way of saying BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI and stuff.

119 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:25:26pm
120 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:25:27pm

re: #112 Dr Lizardo

They gotta charge up their mobility scooters first.

Don’t think that way. This area is full of bad-thinking good ol’ boys with enough firepower to make for a bad afternoon. Talking about guys who struggle with the mortgage on a construction salary, but go to the expense to maintain legal full-auto. A trip to the barber shop is like an off-Broadway roadshow of Free Republic.

121 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:25:50pm
122 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:28:14pm
123 piratedan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:31:01pm

re: #122 darthstar

isn’t kind of hard to leak documents to the web when you’re the unofficial guest of a government known for suppressing free speech?

124 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:32:05pm
125 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:33:35pm

re: #122 darthstar

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Which is why he’s staying in Brazil.

He can do or say anything he wants in Brazil against the US, until he pisses off the Brazilian govt.

126 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:33:39pm
127 piratedan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:35:00pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

It’s like saying the Mafia is an organization of business oriented immigrants in search of the American Dream. //

128 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:35:35pm

re: #120 Decatur Deb

Don’t think that way. This area is full of bad-thinking good ol’ boys with enough firepower to make for a bad afternoon. Talking about guys who struggle with the mortgage on a construction salary, but go to the expense to maintain legal full-auto. A trip to the barber shop is like an off-Broadway roadshow of Free Republic.

I know; when I lived in the Pacific NW back in the 90s - the Clinton years - the area was full of proto-wingnuts. Militia types, white supremacists, hardcore crazies, all of them armed to the teeth. Indeed, they could make for a very bad afternoon.

129 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:37:12pm

Nothing like soiling the memory.

WTC Memorial Construction Management Company ‘Scheme’ Cost Taxpayers Hundreds of Thousands
Company pays $1.6M to settle claims it submitted bogus time sheets, padded employee payroll records on NYC projects

nbcwashington.com

130 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:39:06pm

re: #127 piratedan

It’s like saying the Mafia is an organization of business oriented immigrants in search of the American Dream. //

You left out their devotion to Family Values….

131 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:40:41pm

re: #94 EPR-radar

The oath keepers list.

Of these, items 1, 6, 8, 9 and 10 are paranoid delusions.

Item 2 is debatable.

Items 3, 4, 5, and 7 have occurred in US history, although only item #3 has occurred recently.

Like most CT types, their list includes a few scraps of truth to help advance the overall paranoid agenda.

Who the hell is supposedly going to give them these orders?

132 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:41:22pm

By the way - are those supposed to be SS lightning bolt insignias in the Oathkeepers ad?

Image: ZZ798509B6.jpg

133 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:41:29pm

re: #130 GeneJockey

You left out their devotion to Family Values….

Youtube Video

134 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:42:14pm
135 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:42:20pm

California gets fracked.

Fracking bill passes California Assembly

blogs.sacbee.com

As my older son likes to say, “Everybody gets paid but us.”

136 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:43:22pm

re: #131 b_sharp

Who the hell is supposedly going to give them these orders?

HITLER!
/

137 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:43:56pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

By the way - are those supposed to be SS lightning bolt insignias in the Oathkeepers ad?

Image: ZZ798509B6.jpg

I can see some similarity, but I don’t think they were trying to be that clever. Frankly, if they were, they’d have gotten much better ROI by darkening Obama’s (already very blackity blackity black!!!1) face.

138 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:44:46pm

They’re not exactly like an SS insignia, of course. But it seems like that’s what they were trying to evoke.

139 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:44:51pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

By the way - are those supposed to be SS lightning bolt insignias in the Oathkeepers ad?

Image: ZZ798509B6.jpg

Where?

140 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:44:58pm
“[T]he graphic has been upgraded to feature Obama as Big Brother since he remains unrepentant even after Snowden’s embarrassing exposure of a snooping program the Administration denied ever existed,” Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes said in a released statement.
usnews.com
141 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:45:49pm

re: #131 b_sharp

Who the hell is supposedly going to give them these orders?

The voices in their heads. This is ‘leaderless’ resistance. Fortunately, they’re all constitutional law experts.

142 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:46:23pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

The white symbols between the red banners. Dual lightning bolts, but not exactly like the SS symbol.

143 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:46:35pm

re: #136 Kragar

HITLER!
/

Seriously. They refuse to follow orders given to them by … them?

144 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:46:43pm

Wisconsin, led by Scott Walker, has had their way with the public unions again. A judge has ruled the law passed in 2011 by the state Republicans ending, for all practical purposes, collective bargaining and raising the cost of health insurance is not unconstitutional.

huffingtonpost.com

host.madison.com

Looks like yet again the worker is left barely able to suck the hind teat in the Dairy State. You can have a CCW in Wisconsin but better not imagine you have freedoms of association and petition.

145 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:47:37pm
146 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:47:58pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

The white symbols between the red banners. Dual lightning bolts, but not exactly like the SS symbol.

They’re lights hanging on the walls. Same shape as the ones right on the edges of the frame.

There certainly is a resemblance, although an organization would have to be pretty herpy derpy derp for me to think it was intentional. Of course, Oathkeepers are pretty herpy derpy derp.

147 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:48:39pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

They’re not exactly like an SS insignia, of course. But it seems like that’s what they were trying to evoke.

To me they look like a stylized ‘H’. Evokes the same thing the SS would.

148 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:48:46pm

re: #120 Decatur Deb

Don’t think that way. This area is full of bad-thinking good ol’ boys with enough firepower to make for a bad afternoon. Talking about guys who struggle with the mortgage on a construction salary, but go to the expense to maintain legal full-auto. A trip to the barber shop is like an off-Broadway roadshow of Free Republic.

it also pops up in weird places

my cousin is a jewish doctor in a blue blue state but he gots mega guns and talks to me about the day that inflation will kill the economy and welfare, and the rabble will riot and attack hard workin’, right-thinkin’ americans like us’n

walter mitty lived a life of quiet desperation and dreamed of glory

this popular fantasy is one way to do it

149 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:49:09pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

The white symbols between the red banners. Dual lightning bolts, but not exactly like the SS symbol.

Also interpretable as “H”es, which is so much better. Could say it’s a clumsy reach for a subliminal, but that’s a little weird in itself.

150 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:49:35pm

re: #136 Kragar

HITLER!
/

You know who else was called The Next Hitler? HITLER!

Just sayin’….

I once got called “the worst person in the world” by some wingnut clown.

‘Worse than Hitler?’ I asked.

Apparently, yes. I’m worse than the guy who touched off a war that killed tens of millions, whose government killed 6 million Jews, 1 million Romani, and a lot of Communists, gays, and trade unionists. I asked how, and he kind of sputtered, but he did call me that on several occasions, and I don’t think he was kidding.

What is it about Hitler that these clowns keep minimizing the horrors he thrust on the world by comparing people they don’t like to one of the finalists in the ‘Most Vile and Reprehensible Human Being in the History of Forever’ contest?

151 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:49:37pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

The voices in their heads. This is ‘leaderless’ resistance. Fortunately, they’re all constitutional law experts.

not only that, they have a firm grasp of all the things they know will happen in the future

152 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:49:43pm

re: #147 wrenchwench

To me they look like a stylized ‘H. Evokes the same thing the SS would.

Herp?

153 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:50:47pm

OK, probably not lightning bolts, but that whole display is pretty obviously intended to evoke Nazi and/or communist imagery.

154 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:51:08pm

An army of supreme commanders, answerable only to the voices in their heads.

155 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:52:00pm

re: #152 jaunte

Herp?

Maybe….

this message just appeared on a Page:

Fellow globalist elitists…

Alex Jones just blew the cover off of Plan C13-a. Time to regroup. Implement “Preparation H.”

That is all. Please return to your regular eugenics-based, trans-humanist scientific dictatorship duties and await further instructions.

/

156 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:52:15pm

re: #153 Charles Johnson

OK, probably not lightning bolts, but that whole display is pretty obviously intended to evoke Nazi and/or communist imagery.

Most obvious reference is to the theatre setting in Apple’s “1984” Mac commercial.

157 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:52:36pm

re: #153 Charles Johnson

OK, probably not lightning bolts, but that whole display is pretty obviously intended to evoke Nazi and/or communist imagery.

But not approvingly!

158 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:52:43pm

Another raving nutjob…

Rev. Jones arrested on way to burn Qurans in Polk County

tbo.com

MULBERRY — The Rev. Terry Jones was arrested in Polk County this afternoon on his way to burn 2,998 Qurans on the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Jones appeared to have planned to carry through with the controversial Quran-burning. When he and another pastor were pulled over by Polk County sheriff’s deputies near the small town of Mulberry, their pickup bed was full of kerosene-soaked Qurans - and they were towing a large, barbeque-style grill behind the truck.

The arrest happened shortly before 5 p.m., when Jones was scheduled to burn the Quarans - one for every victim of the terrorist attacks - at a public park just outside Mulberry. Jones and Sapp were being taken to the Polk County Jail early this evening, where it appears they will face a charge of improper transportation of hazardous materials.

159 piratedan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:53:02pm

re: #153 Charles Johnson

OK, probably not lightning bolts, but that whole display is pretty obviously intended to evoke Nazi and/or communist imagery.

with these guys, anything that will stick will do… after all, they’ve been equating Commies with Nazis for the last twenty years, taking a title literally without understanding any context at all or showing any understanding between Socialism, Marxism, Naziism and Fascism. For them, it’s all one and the same, if you’re not free to be exploited by a corporation, then you’re one of THEM.

160 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:53:40pm

I’m 99% sure that’s just the theater lighting from whatever audience shot they used for the composite.

161 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:54:28pm

re: #159 piratedan

with these guys, anything that will stick will do.

No, it won’t.

162 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:54:53pm

re: #153 Charles Johnson

OK, probably not lightning bolts, but that whole display is pretty obviously intended to evoke Nazi and/or communist imagery.

they enjoy the sizzle of the nazi imagery at the same time that they ostensibly use it to denounce those they don’t like

i doubt, however, that the southern poverty law center similarly uses klan-style imagery to denounce racism

163 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:54:54pm

re: #158 Justanotherhuman

Another raving nutjob…

Rev. Jones arrested on way to burn Qurans in Polk County

tbo.com

MULBERRY — The Rev. Terry Jones was arrested in Polk County this afternoon on his way to burn 2,998 Qurans on the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Jones appeared to have planned to carry through with the controversial Quran-burning. When he and another pastor were pulled over by Polk County sheriff’s deputies near the small town of Mulberry, their pickup bed was full of kerosene-soaked Qurans - and they were towing a large, barbeque-style grill behind the truck.

The arrest happened shortly before 5 p.m., when Jones was scheduled to burn the Quarans - one for every victim of the terrorist attacks - at a public park just outside Mulberry. Jones and Sapp were being taken to the Polk County Jail early this evening, where it appears they will face a charge of improper transportation of hazardous materials.

Don’t fuck with Mulberry PD. Or was that ‘Mayberry’?

164 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:56:08pm

re: #159 piratedan

with these guys, anything that will stick will do… after all, they’ve been equating Commies with Nazis for the last twenty years, taking a title literally without understanding any context at all or showing any understanding between Socialism, Marxism, Naziism and Fascism. For them, it’s all one and the same, if you’re not free to be exploited by a corporation, then you’re one of THEM.

when rabble-rousers get going the dictionary is the first to die

165 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:56:17pm

re: #150 GeneJockey

You know who else was called The Next Hitler? HITLER!

Just sayin’….

I once got called “the worst person in the world” by some wingnut clown.

‘Worse than Hitler?’ I asked.

Apparently, yes. I’m worse than the guy who touched off a war that killed tens of millions, whose government killed 6 million Jews, 1 million Romani, and a lot of Communists, gays, and trade unionists. I asked how, and he kind of sputtered, but he did call me that on several occasions, and I don’t think he was kidding.

What is it about Hitler that these clowns keep minimizing the horrors he thrust on the world by comparing people they don’t like to one of the finalists in the ‘Most Vile and Reprehensible Human Being in the History of Forever’ contest?

Because deep down in what passes for the minds of wingnuts, they know Hitler really was a creature of the extreme political right. DARVO tropisms kick in at that point, thus far amounting mostly to trivializing Hitler and the Holocaust by comparing anyone/anything they don’t like to Hitler and the Holocaust.

Some, like Pat Buchanan, are working on Nazi apologetics.

166 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:56:21pm

re: #159 piratedan

with these guys, anything that will stick will do… after all, they’ve been equating Commies with Nazis for the last twenty years, taking a title literally without understanding any context at all or showing any understanding between Socialism, Marxism, Naziism and Fascism. For them, it’s all one and the same, if you’re not free to be exploited by a corporation, then you’re one of THEM.

It’s all collectivism!!!!

167 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:57:05pm

Most of my family and friends have lost their minds.
None of them ever touched a gun in their lives until Obama became President, but now they are all SECOND AMENDMENT!!11!! and post every stinking NRA nonsense on FB every single day. (Full disclosure: I’m the only one in the family who ever handled guns, starting when I was about 9 years old and was involved in competitive shooting).
They are throwing all of these stupid Million Biker pictures, none of which are current photos. (Full disclosure: I’ve been involved in the biker community for more than 40 years and can build a HD from random parts).
Oathkeepers? Give me a feckin break. Small pen1s crowd…
And as for first responders, I am retired from that now, but still have my training forefront in my mind (and lots of memories I wish I could forget).I appreciate that people thank us, but if you haven’t done it (much like military serving in a battle zone), please don’t co-opt what we did for political purposes (I’m looking at YOU, GOP!)

168 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 2:59:20pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

(Full disclosure: I’ve been involved in the biker community for more than 40 years and can build a HD from random parts).

LITERALLY random? Or do they have to be HD parts? I mean, if I gave you a disassembled Yugo, could you make it into a Harley? Or are we talking GI,GO.
//////

169 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:01:27pm

So this story is getting some pretty good attention in my twitter TL, Charles…and I don’t follow all that many people.

170 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:01:44pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

Are they talking 2nd Amendment or actually buying pieces? If so, you can pick up some sweet deals when the White House is restored to it’s proper owners.

171 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:01:48pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

Maybe….

this message just appeared on a Page:

//

172 Good Morning  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:02:14pm

“Extreme Right Wing Militia?” I don’t think the oath keepers meet the definition of militia.

173 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:03:55pm

re: #156 Decatur Deb

Most obvious reference is to the theatre setting in Apple’s “1984” Mac commercial.

This one? No banners here…

Youtube Video

174 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:05:29pm

re: #172 Good Morning

“Extreme Right Wing Militia?” I don’t think the oath keepers meet the definition of militia.

I think they’ve tried to carefully define themselves around it—and failed. They’re Three Percenter’s with old uniforms in the bottom of the storage room.

175 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:06:12pm

re: #172 Good Morning

“Extreme Right Wing Militia?” I don’t think the oath keepers meet the definition of militia.

Um, yes, actually, they do.

The Second Wave: Return of the Militias

176 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:07:07pm

re: #171 Gus

//

Oh, yes. Ahem

//

Thanks.

177 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:07:24pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

This one? No banners here…

[Embedded content]

Yup. Basically the relationship of passive audience and BB head. Seen the meme used elswhere in RW ‘art’.

178 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:08:54pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Um, yes, actually, they do.

The Second Wave: Return of the Militias

“Close enough for anti-government work.”

179 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:09:40pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Um, yes, actually, they do.

The Second Wave: Return of the Militias

You gotta love the opening paragraph for pure, industrial strength, weaponized crazy:

In Pensacola, Fla., retired FBI agent Ted Gunderson tells a gathering of antigovernment “Patriots” that the federal government has set up 1,000 internment camps across the country and is storing 30,000 guillotines and a half-million caskets in Atlanta. They’re there for the day the government finally declares martial law and moves in to round up or kill American dissenters, he says. “They’re going to keep track of all of us, folks,” Gunderson warns.

30,000 guillotines? GUILLOTINES?

And only half a million caskets? I guess they don’t make guillotines like they used to, if you only get 20 heads out of ‘em before they break.

180 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:09:56pm

re: #172 Good Morning

“Extreme Right Wing Militia?” I don’t think the oath keepers meet the definition of militia.

If we’re going to be strict on definitions, pretty much none of the various organizations in the US militia movement are actually ‘militias’.

Being organized by or subject to lawful authority is pretty conspicuously missing.

Anyway, the Oathkeepers are unquestionably part of the US militia movement.

181 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:13:12pm

re: #179 GeneJockey

You gotta love the opening paragraph for pure, industrial strength, weaponized crazy:

30,000 guillotines? GUILLOTINES?

And only half a million caskets? I guess they don’t make guillotines like they used to, if you only get 20 heads out of ‘em before they break.

I’ve read that guillotines meme before; it’s still going around I see.

Guillotines, eh? How quaint.

182 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:13:37pm

Hah! Here’s something you won’t see very often - me being cited at the Washington Free Beacon:

Fringe Leftwing Activist Promotes Fringe Rightwing Group | Washington Free Beacon

183 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:13:44pm

re: #179 GeneJockey

You gotta love the opening paragraph for pure, industrial strength, weaponized crazy:

If I had a giant secret stash of equipment that I wanted to be ready to deploy across the country in the blink of an eye, I would obviously make all of it drive through metro Atlanta first.

/

184 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:13:55pm

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

I’ve read that guillotines meme before; it’s still going around I see.

Guillotines, eh? How quaint.

Gravity-powered, trying to go Green.

185 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:14:50pm

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

I’ve read that guillotines meme before; it’s still going around I see.

Guillotines, eh? How quaint.

Conservatism first appeared as an explicit political philosophy in reaction to the French Revolution.

The stupider conservatives will never stop fretting about guillotines.

186 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:15:06pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

Gravity-powered, trying to go Green.

When the GOP took over the House, they threw them all away and replaced them with electric guillotines that cut up.

Fuckin’ enviro-weenies got showed what for.

187 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:15:13pm

The Left is the new Right.

188 Randall Gross  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:15:43pm

here’s one of the more infamous Oathkeepers

rawstory.com

Think he’s in jail for child molestation iirc…

189 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:15:48pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Hah! Here’s something you won’t see very often - me being cited at the Washington Free Beacon:

Fringe Leftwing Activist Promotes Fringe Rightwing Group | Washington Free Beacon

Gotta say, love the headline.

190 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:17:57pm

re: #179 GeneJockey

30,000 Guillotines and not a single photograph.

30,000 Guillotines and not a single manufacturer record.

30,000 Guillotines……wait…..who the fuck manufactures guillotines let alone 30,000 of them?!?

191 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:18:38pm

I think there are some ways of being killed that are more frightening than others, to most people. Being beheaded is one, despite Dr. Guillotine’s original alleged desire to create a more human method of execution. We tend to see it as more savage than hanging, gassing, firing squad, etc. despite the instantaneous nature, as compared to the potential lingering, painful death of the other three.

I’m not sure why, but it seems to be true.

192 Randall Gross  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:18:50pm

Democracy and our constitution certainly doesn’t need a self appointed shitheel militia like the Oathkeepers to defend it.

193 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:19:09pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

FEMA really stands for Federal Euthanasia-Maker Assembly.

194 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:19:31pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Hah! Here’s something you won’t see very often - me being cited at the Washington Free Beacon:

Fringe Leftwing Activist Promotes Fringe Rightwing Group | Washington Free Beacon

Haha, “fringe leftwing activist”, “fringe rightwing group”. Love it.

195 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:19:33pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Hah! Here’s something you won’t see very often - me being cited at the Washington Free Beacon:

Fringe Leftwing Activist Promotes Fringe Rightwing Group | Washington Free Beacon

And they got it wrong.

Anti-NSA activist and noted stretcher of the truth Glenn Greenwald praised the rightwing fringe group Oathkeepers for their support of convicted criminal Bradley Manning on Wednesday.

noting the placement of an advertisement by the Oathkeepers supporting Manning on Washington, D.C.’s, metro system.

196 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:19:48pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

re: #185 EPR-radar

The wingnuts are just getting nuttier by the day. To be honest, I’m genuinely surprised they haven’t tried some sort of OKC event thus far.

Guess I should just keep my fingers crossed.

197 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:19:49pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

30,000 Guillotines and not a single photograph.

30,000 Guillotines and not a single manufacturer record.

30,000 Guillotines……wait…..who the fuck manufactures guillotines let alone 30,000 of them?!?

Obama picked them up from the Jacobins in France in his time travels, after he put his birth announcement in the Hawaii newspaper.

198 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:20:24pm

Shellie Zimmerman’s attorney is giving a very strange presser right now.

199 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:21:34pm
200 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:21:49pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

30,000 Guillotines and not a single photograph.

30,000 Guillotines and not a single manufacturer record.

30,000 Guillotines……wait…..who the fuck manufactures guillotines let alone 30,000 of them?!?

IKEA. Cleverly disguised as quilt frames.

201 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:22:40pm
202 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:22:57pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

30,000 Guillotines and not a single photograph.

30,000 Guillotines and not a single manufacturer record.

30,000 Guillotines……wait…..who the fuck manufactures guillotines let alone 30,000 of them?!?

Also no mention of all the tumbrils they’d need. And aren’t the 1.6 billion bullets enough?

203 AlexRogan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:23:34pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

30,000 Guillotines and not a single photograph.

30,000 Guillotines and not a single manufacturer record.

30,000 Guillotines……wait…..who the fuck manufactures guillotines let alone 30,000 of them?!?

Production was spread out throughout the federal prison system to make the components piecemeal, see? That way,the prisoners don’t know that they’re making guillotine parts, then Obama’s private army can put them all together!

////

204 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:23:58pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

30,000 Guillotines and not a single photograph.

30,000 Guillotines and not a single manufacturer record.

30,000 Guillotines……wait…..who the fuck manufactures guillotines let alone 30,000 of them?!?

Guillotines…and there are no gates on the internment camps, either! Everyone is put inside via Trebuchet.

205 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:24:22pm

re: #195 Bubblehead II

And they got it wrong.

Anti-NSA activist and noted stretcher of the truth Glenn Greenwald praised the rightwing fringe group Oathkeepers for their support of convicted criminal Bradley Manning on Wednesday.

noting the placement of an advertisement by the Oathkeepers supporting Manning on Washington, D.C.’s, metro system.

[dudebro]OMG they called Manning by the name Bradley!?1?! What monsters!!1![/dudebro]

206 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:25:21pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

IKEA. Cleverly disguised as quilt frames.

Oh, yes. The Defarj.

207 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:26:03pm

re: #204 darthstar

Guillotines…and there are no gates on the internment camps, either! Everyone is put inside via Trebuchet.

Well, if THAT’s true, the guillotines are hardly necessary.

208 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:26:29pm

re: #195 Bubblehead II

And they got it wrong.

Anti-NSA activist and noted stretcher of the truth Glenn Greenwald praised the rightwing fringe group Oathkeepers for their support of convicted criminal Bradley Manning on Wednesday.

noting the placement of an advertisement by the Oathkeepers supporting Manning on Washington, D.C.’s, metro system.

Oh, for Pete’s sake.

209 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:26:33pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

IKEA. Cleverly disguised as quilt frames.

Great…we’ve got 30,000 guillotines and every one is missing a part.

210 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:27:52pm

re: #209 darthstar

Great…we’ve got 30,000 guillotines and every one is missing a part.

FTW. Close the interwebs.

211 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:28:10pm

re: #112 Dr Lizardo

They gotta charge up their mobility scooters first.

But electric power is teh ebil!!!

212 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:28:52pm

re: #195 Bubblehead II

And they got it wrong.

Anti-NSA activist and noted stretcher of the truth Glenn Greenwald praised the rightwing fringe group Oathkeepers for their support of convicted criminal Bradley Manning on Wednesday.

noting the placement of an advertisement by the Oathkeepers supporting Manning on Washington, D.C.’s, metro system.

Yep they confused Manning with Snowden, not hard to do. They better not call Snowden a fugitive or they’ll get the nastiest of tweets hurled towards them from you know who.

213 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:30:17pm

re: #211 GlutenFreeJesus

But electric power is teh ebil!!!

Quite the contrary! Excessive use of natural resources is every REAL American’s natural birthright! Hence their lve of enormous SUVs and pickups, and their bone-deep loathing of the Toyota Prius, or worse, the TESLA!!!!

214 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:30:22pm


Bikers pause for the national anthem at the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents Legislative Day at the Capitol on Monday Jan. 24, 2011. Hundreds of bikers from around Texas rallied for bikers’ rights and met their legislators. Photos by Jay Janner/Austin American-Statesman

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215 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:31:01pm

Also. It was around 90 today in DC.

216 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:31:22pm

re: #214 Gus

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Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

217 AlexRogan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:33:02pm

re: #207 GeneJockey

Well, if THAT’s true, the guillotines are hardly necessary.

*SPLAT*

“Hey Tony, you think you can dial down the tension a little? The prisoners are clearing the fence on the way in, but they’re just exploding into bits when they hit the ground.”

“How ‘bout you set up an air bag for them to land on, bonehead?”

///

218 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:33:36pm

re: #214 Gus

Sure is a lot of head gear still on those patriots during the national anthem

219 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:33:42pm

Ethics panel extends probe of Bachmann, two others

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

Washington (CNN) - The House Ethics Committee announced Wednesday it is extending its investigation of alleged ethics violations by three House members - Minnesota GOP Rep. Michele Bachmann, Illinois GOP Rep. Peter Roskam, and New York Democratic Rep. Tim Bishop.

The panel closed its investigation of allegations made against Massachusetts Democratic Rep. John Tierney.

220 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:33:56pm

re: #215 Gus

Also. It was around 90 today in DC.

bikers are tough! They wear black leather in 90 degree heat and not break a sweat!

But of course, you realize that when the stories come out about the 5 guys showing up for the 2 Million Asshole Ride, these pictures will allow the wingnuts to believe the ‘Lame Stream Media’ are lying to them.

One wonders where Palin came up with ‘Lame Stream’. Was Todd’s prostate acting up? Because I can tell you about lame streams!!!

221 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:34:27pm

Shellie Zimmerman’s attorney seem to imply that Georgie has been cheating on her. Her attorney also claimed that they don’t want to press charges, but are providing police “evidence” of what happened. He’s quite deliberate in his choice of words.

222 Quicklund  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:35:28pm

I think I liked life better back in the days when I’d hear the name Glenn Greenwald occasionally, but didn’t really know who he was. Scratch that. I know I did.

223 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:36:02pm


Sturgis

224 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:36:08pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

30,000 Guillotines and not a single photograph.

30,000 Guillotines and not a single manufacturer record.

30,000 Guillotines……wait…..who the fuck manufactures guillotines let alone 30,000 of them?!?

Image: stock-photo-3204528-guillotine-for-cigars.jpg

225 piratedan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:36:31pm

re: #210 Dr. Matt

they’re on back order, from fifteen different Amazon LLC locations…..

226 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:37:49pm

re: #214 Gus

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Image: jwj-bikers-0001.jpg

Those bikers rode up from Texas, it took them 8 months and they never changed clothes

227 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:38:17pm

re: #214 Gus

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Image: jwj-bikers-0001.jpg

I think most of those old guys are just checking to see if their hearts are still going.

228 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:38:17pm

re: #168 GeneJockey

LITERALLY random? Or do they have to be HD parts? I mean, if I gave you a disassembled Yugo, could you make it into a Harley? Or are we talking GI,GO.
//////

if it fits….
:=D

229 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:40:10pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Are they talking 2nd Amendment or actually buying pieces? If so, you can pick up some sweet deals when the White House is restored to it’s proper owners.

One of my sisters (in Florida ::facepalm::) posted a picture of a “cute little pink pocketgun” she got for her birthday last year.
I was just hoping she didn’t keep it loaded with the safety off…

230 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:40:14pm

re: #226 b.d.

Those bikers rode up from Texas, it took them 8 months and they never changed clothes

Is that why they’re so grim? Or are they terminally pissed off?

231 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:40:42pm

re: #223 Gus

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Sturgis

So basically any picture, ever, of more than one motorcycle is being thrown out as happening today in DC?

232 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:41:19pm

re: #223 Gus

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Sturgis

Great work—are you getting to anyone who can make use of it?

233 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:42:17pm

This one is a stock pic of “outlaw motorcycle gangs.”

234 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:42:24pm

re: #231 b.d.

So basically any picture, ever, of more than one motorcycle is being thrown out as happening today in DC?

The truth is busy putting its shoes on. Can’t remember how to tie a bow.

235 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:42:51pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

if it fits….
:=D

I dunno, a hard-tail pan-head would be almost as primitive as a Yugo…

:whistles:

Bonnieville

236 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:43:01pm

Great. UPS just delivered Wife’s new pressure canner. Now I’m on some freakn’ watch list.

237 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:44:13pm

re: #233 Gus

This one is a stock pic of “outlaw motorcycle gangs.”

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You are excellent at this, Gus. : )

238 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:44:36pm

re: #231 b.d.

So basically any picture, ever, of more than one motorcycle is being thrown out as happening today in DC?

Never remember! 2M Bikers DC!

239 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:45:21pm

I’m pretty sure Greenwald always got the dud when he played Dream Date.

240 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:45:23pm

re: #191 GeneJockey

I think there are some ways of being killed that are more frightening than others, to most people. Being beheaded is one, despite Dr. Guillotine’s original alleged desire to create a more human method of execution. We tend to see it as more savage than hanging, gassing, firing squad, etc. despite the instantaneous nature, as compared to the potential lingering, painful death of the other three.

I’m not sure why, but it seems to be true.

I’m not sure who sees it as more savage than the other methods, but it had a rather disgusting history of as public spectacle. The following story illustrates some of the sociology behind the guillotine and how the stoic response of most aristocrats fed the crowd’s bloodlust. They only saw the victims as human when they reacted like we’d expect a normal, terrified (lower class) person fighting for their life to react.

On this particular day, one of the condemned was a strikingly beautiful young woman in her mid 20s, dressed as if for a grand ball. She watched those ahead of her walk solemnly up the steps and quietly accept their fate, and heard the raucous celebration of the pitiless mob. When the soldiers indicated to the last victim in the cart that it was her turn, she pulled back. Two soldiers dragged her up the scaffold screaming through her tears, “I don’t want to die! I want to live!” Two then three soldiers grappled with her, unused to a victim fighting back. She fought like a tiger against their attempts to put her head on the block. Turning, twisting, biting and scratching, she was using her elegant gown to keep the soldiers from grasping her. Trying to subdue her, the embarrassed and angry soldiers, slipping in fresh blood, grabbing what they could, tore and ripped her dress, shredding her clothes, until she was fighting them literally stark naked, still clawing and screaming, “I want to live! I don’t want to die!” So intent on the struggle for her life, she was inured to being naked before the gawking crowd. The crowd was more than merely ‘entertained’. They were now looking on in silent admiration at the remarkable spirit and the dazzling beauty of this nude young lady, described as ‘pure beauty of face and flawless of body’. A few angry calls to stop were heard from the crowd, but the execution squad had no authority to do other than carry out the sentence. The soldiers, bleeding from her scratches, finally overpowered their ‘tiger’, forced her head harshly onto the block and locked the stock in place. Then they retreated down the steps. Her graceful hands beat vainly on the wooden block holding her. The mob was now watching truly in horror, as the drums could not drown out her screams. “I want to live! I don’t wa…” The blade dropped, cutting her off in mid scream. When the executioner held her bloody head high by its blond tresses, the rabble remained silent!

241 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:45:26pm

re: #235 William Barnett-Lewis

I dunno, a hard-tail pan-head would be almost as primitive as a Yugo…

:whistles:

Bonnieville

My former brother-in-law had all the cool vehicles. He had a red ‘68 Mustang fastback and a 1970 MGB. Then there was his BSA motorcycle. I wanted to be him, except for the whole ‘sleeping with my sister’ part.

242 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:45:59pm

The real ones are at The Blaze. Won’t link.

243 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:46:09pm

re: #212 b.d.

Yep they confused Manning with Snowden, not hard to do. They better not call Snowden a fugitive or they’ll get the nastiest of tweets hurled towards them from you know who.

They probably will anyway for two reasons.

1. They called GG a “stretcher of the truth” and
2. They did in fact confuse Manning and Snowden when the poster/ad
specifically stated Snowden.

244 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:46:31pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

They’re on a roll. They also think the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. The idiocy is never ending.

245 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:46:36pm

They transport the guillotines via secret underground tunnels. Gosh guys get with the program!!

246 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:47:55pm

re: #245 Amory Blaine

They transport the guillotines via secret underground tunnels. Gosh guys get with the program!!

Damn that Elon Musk! He almost let the cat out of the bag with all that ‘hyperloop’ talk.

247 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:50:08pm

re: #214 Gus

Such a happy bunch,such joy emanating from their happy little faces. In all fairness though, even when it’s hot, my husband and his friends wear their leathers for protection. But they don’t run around with them on once they get wherever they’re going. I’m not allowed on the bike without a leather jacket, husband is adamant about it. I’m talking distance riding though, which I assume most of these bad asses (ahem) are doing today.

248 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:51:37pm

re: #223 Gus

Now that one I recognize, lol. These people are fucking idiots.

249 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:51:58pm

re: #236 Decatur Deb

Great. UPS just delivered Wife’s new pressure canner. Now I’m on some freakn’ watch list.

Cool is it the All American company? Those are made here in Wisconsin.

250 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:54:27pm

re: #240 goddamnedfrank

I’m not sure who sees it as more savage than the other methods, but it had a rather disgusting history of as public spectacle. The following story illustrates some of the sociology behind the guillotine and how the stoic response of most aristocrats fed the crowds bloodlust. They only saw the victims as human when they reacted like we’d expect a normal, terrified (lower class) person fighting for their life would be expected to react.

I could be mistaken. It’s an impression I gathered by observation. It’s why Jan Brewer was talking about finding beheaded bodies in the desert, and also why the response to Jihadis beheading a Westerner are more intense than just shooting them. For that matter, the response to Saudi Arabia beheading their criminals, which people in a country that still hangs people call ‘barbaric’. I suspect, but can’t prove, that it’s one of the deep fears shared by many people, like dying in a fire or being eaten, but unlike those, it is not a long, agonizing death.

251 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:56:41pm

re: #250 GeneJockey

It’s probably because beheading is quite gory in point of fact.

Granted, it’s extraordinarily quick, especially when done by such a machine as the guillotine or even at the hands of an expert executioner, but nonetheless, it’s messy.

252 simoom  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:57:35pm

wjla.com

The group that paid for the signs has a target audience and is recruiting. So far, they’ve put signs up near military bases in California, Texas, and Georgia.

The billboards stand out on the platform at the Pentagon Metro stop, all part of a new campaign sponsored by a group called The Oath Keepers.

On its website, the group refers to itself as “Guardians of the Republic.” They say they’re a non-partisan association of current and former military, police and first responders who pledge to defend the Constitution.

By placing the billboards where they’ll be seen by thousands of Pentagon workers, the group hopes to get other government workers to come forward like Snowden.

But the group promises it is just getting started. Their website is asking for donations to help get more of these billboards posted, including near the NSA in Fort Meade, Maryland.

253 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:57:44pm

re: #235 William Barnett-Lewis

I dunno, a hard-tail pan-head would be almost as primitive as a Yugo…

:whistles:

Bonnieville

hmmm… our current “running” (read=runs when it wants to…) is a homebuilt ‘55 Panhead.
Personally, I prefer Indians and Triumphs…hubs is the Harley guy.

254 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:58:38pm

re: #227 b_sharp

I think most of those old guys are just checking to see if their hearts are still going.

Man, when I was young, so were the bikers.

What happened?

255 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:58:44pm
256 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:00:02pm

Meeting time.

Image: HZHzg.gif

257 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:00:51pm

re: #256 darthstar

Meeting time.

Image: HZHzg.gif

So long, chum!
//

258 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:01:18pm

re: #249 Amory Blaine

Cool is it the All American company? Those are made here in Wisconsin.

Nah. “Presto”, probably named for an ancient village in Szechuan.

259 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:01:49pm

re: #214 Gus

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Smells like a really old sofa.

260 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:02:03pm
261 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:02:41pm

re: #258 Decatur Deb

Nah. “Presto”, probably named for an ancient village in Szechuan.

That anywhere near Change-o?

262 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:02:58pm

re: #255 Gus

Dozen Dickhead Delusionfest.

263 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:03:13pm

re: #254 wrenchwench

Man, when I was young, so were the bikers.

What happened?

Entropy slapped us upside the head.

264 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:03:14pm

re: #250 GeneJockey

I could be mistaken. It’s an impression I gathered by observation. It’s why Jan Brewer was talking about finding beheaded bodies in the desert, and also why the response to Jihadis beheading a Westerner are more intense than just shooting them. For that matter, the response to Saudi Arabia beheading their criminals, which people in a country that still hangs people call ‘barbaric’. I suspect, but can’t prove, that it’s one of the deep fears shared by many people, like dying in a fire or being eaten, but unlike those, it is not a long, agonizing death.

All your examples are intended to leave a very graphic and public message. Beheading is very conducive to that. The few democracies that still have the death penalty have learned to keep their executions far away from direct view. If we hung corpses in public like Iran does or carried out lethal injections in soccer stadiums they’d be seen by far more people as intended to generate fear of the government.

265 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:03:23pm

re: #255 Gus

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LOL Cornel West, surprise surprise

266 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:03:31pm

So, I’ve been xmas shopping on ebay. I want to get it done now, so I can pay next semester’s tuition for the kid with no worries.

I FOUND THE KEWLest gift for him for xmas. At least, I think a 19yo will think his mom isn’t totally lame. A 7 move Japanese Puzzle Box. I figure I’ll put $100 bill in it and let him figure it out.

It just arrived and is very plain, you can’t see any of the seams. Amazing.

I guess I’ve never seen one up close before.

How is it this evening?

267 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:04:43pm

hard-tail pan-head

ok i know a pan-head is not a panhard but what a cool car huh?

268 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:05:06pm

re: #236 Decatur Deb

Great. UPS just delivered Wife’s new pressure canner. Now I’m on some freakn’ watch list.

At least yours was delivered legally.

Police: Pressure cooker hoax meant to instill fear on Sept. 11

EVERETT, Wash. - A pressure cooker left at an Everett gas station Wednesday was intended to instill fear on 9/11 with a replica of a Boston Marathon bomb, police said.

269 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:05:11pm

re: #254 wrenchwench

Man, when I was young, so were the bikers.

What happened?

everyone got jobs

270 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:05:38pm

re: #260 Gus

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¡Conejito!

271 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:05:40pm

re: #267 dog philosopher

hard-tail pan-head

ok i know a pan-head is not a panhard but what a cool car huh?

OH! I want.

272 klys  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:06:20pm

re: #266 FemNaziBitch

I put together two shelves for the garage and one set for in the kitchen, and there are some things on them. And I cleaned my desk and went through the page proofs for my final paper. Emptied the dishwasher. Still need to write thank you notes for some late birthday presents and finish dealing with laundry from yesterday.

Oh, and exercise. But at least there will be games on that.

There is a cat trying to lick through the epidermis on my arm.

273 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:07:11pm

re: #254 wrenchwench

Man, when I was young, so were the bikers.

What happened?

They’re riding Japanese scooters these days, if my g-son’s friends are any indication.

274 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:07:22pm

re: #272 klys

I put together two shelves for the garage and one set for in the kitchen, and there are some things on them. And I cleaned my desk and went through the page proofs for my final paper. Emptied the dishwasher. Still need to write thank you notes for some late birthday presents and finish dealing with laundry from yesterday.

Oh, and exercise. But at least there will be games on that.

There is a cat trying to lick through the epidermis on my arm.

Nah, if he really wanted to, it would be done. He wouldn’t be trying.

I took a long nap and got the mail.

275 klys  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:08:15pm

re: #274 FemNaziBitch

Nah, if he really wanted to, it would be done. He wouldn’t be trying.

I took a long nap and got the mail.

Well, if he wanted to get through it, biting would work better, I agree.

However, after 5 minutes of concentrated licking on bare skin, I am ready to lock him in another room.

276 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:08:16pm

Another photo from the biker rally.

Bikers Ride

277 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:09:00pm

re: #275 klys

Well, if he wanted to get through it, biting would work better, I agree.

However, after 5 minutes of concentrated licking on bare skin, I am ready to lock him in another room.

Maybe he needs a salt lick.

278 psddluva4evah  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:09:21pm

Um WTHoly F….!

279 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:09:44pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

All your examples are intended to leave a very graphic and public message. Beheading is very conducive to that. The few democracies that still have the death penalty have learned to keep their executions far away from direct view. If we hung corpses in public like Iran does or carried out lethal injections in soccer stadiums they’d be seen by far more people as intended to generate fear of the government.

That’s kind of my point. If there weren’t something extra-specially frightening/barbaric about it, it wouldn’t be such a graphic message. A dozen bullet-riddled bodies in the desert would be no less frightening than a dozen headless bodies.

280 klys  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:09:59pm

re: #277 FemNaziBitch

Maybe he needs a salt lick.

I was just having this same conversation with the husband, actually.

I will probably discuss it with the v-e-t when the kitties go for their annual check-up in two weeks.

281 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:10:43pm

re: #255 Gus

Soooo there weren’t any muslims at the march?

282 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:11:02pm

re: #280 klys

I was just having this same conversation with the husband, actually.

I will probably discuss it with the v-e-t when the kitties go for their annual check-up in two weeks.

Just get him to clean the dishes.

283 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:11:31pm
284 klys  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:11:40pm

re: #282 b_sharp

Just get him to clean the dishes.

I wish, but that would not contribute to good habits. We already have trouble keeping him off the kitchen counter.

285 majii  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:12:40pm

I think the simplest answer is that it’s because he’s an ass, an ass who will align himself with any group if it draws him some sort of attention and has the potential for him to make a few bucks.

286 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:14:42pm
287 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:14:43pm
288 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:14:45pm

re: #279 GeneJockey

That’s kind of my point. If there weren’t something extra-specially frightening/barbaric about it, it wouldn’t be such a graphic message. A dozen bullet-riddled bodies in the desert would be no less frightening than 100 headless bodies.

There is the element of overkill and dismemberment, beheading dehumanizes the body and turns the head into a totem. Other than that though I agree.

289 psddluva4evah  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:15:05pm

Huh…did anyone else realize that Obama speech last night actually “weakened the nation”


Like someone said, he’s not known as “JokeLein” for nothing….smh.

290 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:16:01pm

re: #278 psddluva4evah

Um WTHoly F….!

[Embedded content]

Book burning pisses me off.

The hypocrisy of some whacko Protestant minister burning books. Maybe it’s an RC thing. But it seems strange to rail against anything that isn’t your religion and bring-up historical atrocities like the Crusades (etc) and then burn books.

Or maybe I’m just tired of certain Lutheran friends of mine shoving it in my face like I care.

291 piratedan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:16:13pm

re: #289 psddluva4evah

yes, let us start by firing Joe Klein, obviously this man is simply clueless and needs to either go back to school or start flipping burgers

292 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:18:07pm
293 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:18:58pm
294 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:19:12pm

As you can tell…this meeting is riveting.

295 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:19:30pm

re: #290 FemNaziBitch

Book burning pisses me off.

The hypocrisy of some whacko Protestant minister burning books. Maybe it’s an RC thing. But it seems strange to rail against anything that isn’t your religion and bring-up historical atrocities like the Crusades (etc) and then burn books.

Or maybe I’m just tired of certain Lutheran friends of mine shoving it in my face like I care.

I don’t like book-burning either. It’s repellent.

Of course, now this Jones douche is going to start screaming he’s being persecuted and all manner of rubbish that we’ll never hear the end of from the wingnuts. They’ll take it as further “proof” of teh creeping shariah!1! or some such BS.

296 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:20:43pm
297 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:23:44pm

re: #295 Dr Lizardo

Aside from the repugnance of burning anyone’s holy book, burning that much stuff is a fire hazard the size of Jupiter.

298 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:24:35pm

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

Special Place in Hell

WTF?!

What’s he going for there? The Grigori Rasputin therapy method or something?

FFS. Special place in Hell, indeed.

299 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:25:06pm

re: #258 Decatur Deb

Nah. “Presto”, probably named for an ancient village in Szechuan.

Used to be made in Eau Claire at the old ammo factory (EC & EW were the headstamps they used but I doubt much of that WWII only brass still exists). I think they outsourced that production a while back though.

300 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:25:56pm

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

Special Place in Hell

No goddamned way he’s not going to jail.

301 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:26:04pm

re: #297 ProTARDISLiberal

Aside from the repugnance of burning anyone’s holy book, burning that much stuff is a fire hazard the size of Jupiter.

Heh. Jones will now whine endlessly, along with the wingnuts, that they’re being persecuted and that Islamic Shariah is now the law of the land or something equally nonsensical.

302 klys  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:27:08pm

Hey, Philly-based Lizards, the tall ship my sister works on is hosting an open house on Friday from 4 to 5:30pm and some sails are still available. You can look for info here.

303 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:28:55pm

re: #300 Justanotherhuman

No goddamned way he’s not going to jail.

According to the linked article, a 17 year sentence was suspended in favor of sex offender treatment and 5 years probation. This would appear to be a done deal.

WTF is up with the criminal justice system in the US? I understand there will be a selection bias where travesties get more media attention, but still…

304 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:30:19pm

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

Special Place in Hell

Holy fuck…that’s sick.

305 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:34:49pm

re: #303 EPR-radar

According to the linked article, a 17 year sentence was suspended in favor of sex offender treatment and 5 years probation. This would appear to be a done deal.

WTF is up with the criminal justice system in the US? I understand there will be a selection bias where travesties get more media attention, but still…

This “youth pastor” (AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA) raped 12 young boys. He seriously claims that he’s “raping away the gay”.

And he get sex offender treatment and five years probation? Not many, many decades in the slammer?

I give up. Humanity has clearly failed. To paraphrase GWAR, Council Bluffs, Iowa, Must Be Destroyed.

*facepalm* x infinity

306 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:34:56pm

re: #204 darthstar

Guillotines…and there are no gates on the internment camps, either! Everyone is put inside via Trebuchet.

Just their heads.

307 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:35:44pm

re: #303 EPR-radar

According to the linked article, a 17 year sentence was suspended in favor of sex offender treatment and 5 years probation. This would appear to be a done deal.

WTF is up with the criminal justice system in the US? I understand there will be a selection bias where travesties get more media attention, but still…

Sorry, I didn’t link, but WTF? Pedophilia can’t be “cured” and that judge should be removed, along with the prosecutor who agreed to it.

Wife should start talking. His own kids are small, no doubt—4 of them.

Stop protecting these animals.

308 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:36:07pm
309 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:36:53pm
310 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:37:33pm

Linky goodness

orlandosentinel.com

The controversial Gainesville Pastor Terry Jones, known for his plans to publicly burn copies of the Muslim holy book, the Quran, was arrested Wednesday in Polk County, deputies have confirmed.

Jones, 61, was arrested on felony charges after a traffic stop near a pharmacy in Mulberry in Polk County just before 5 p.m. Deputies did not specify what charges Jones will face.

Polk County Sheriff’s deputies have not confirmed the details of the arrest, but media reports say Jones was riding in a pickup truck with nearly 3,000 kerosene-soaked Qurans inside the truck bed. He was also towing a large barbecue grill behind his truck, the Tampa Tribune reported.

311 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:38:40pm
312 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:39:01pm

re: #224 b_sharp

Image: stock-photo-3204528-guillotine-for-cigars.jpg

For a second I thought that was a…

..a thing that a mohel might use.

313 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:39:31pm

re: #307 Justanotherhuman

Sorry, I didn’t link, but WTF? Pedophilia can’t be “cured” and that judge should be removed, along with the prosecutor who agreed to it.

Wife should start talking. His own kids are small, no doubt—4 of them.

Stop protecting these animals.

The wife thinks he should be in the slammer, and she doesn’t want their kids to see him anymore.

314 klys  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:39:31pm

re: #312 Vicious Babushka

For a second I thought that was a…

..a thing that a mohel might use.

A scene in Robin Hood: Men In Tights comes to mind…

315 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:41:24pm

re: #313 Dr Lizardo

The wife thinks he should be in the slammer, and she doesn’t want their kids to see him anymore.

He shouldn’t have access to kids at all. He shouldn’t be free to have access to them.

316 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:43:27pm
317 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:44:41pm

re: #310 darthstar

Linky goodness

orlandosentinel.com

First, he didn’t have a permit. Second:

Polk deputies took Jones and Sapp into custody. The Lakeland Ledger reports the men are facing traffic-related offenses for driving with kerosene in the grill.

That’s pretty stupid.

318 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:45:40pm

re: #317 goddamnedfrank

First, he didn’t have a permit, Second:

That’s pretty stupid.

B.b.b.b.but he’s doing it for Jesus

319 majii  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:45:41pm

re: #226 b.d.

But a republican told me online just yesterday that the reason Ted Cruz had such a small turnout is because republicans don’t have time to attend weekday events in D.C. because they have jobs, unlike us lazy liberals who have lots of time to attend weekday events in D.C. because all we do is sit around and wait for our gubmint handouts.

320 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:46:27pm

re: #313 Dr Lizardo

The wife thinks he should be in the slammer, and she doesn’t want their kids to see him anymore.

Still, that doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened to them. Many women cover up for their husbands, with tragic results for their kids. I’m not saying that happened, but cheeez, I’d be suspicious.

321 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:47:44pm

Amazon just emailed me. I’m getting an .84 refund on something the kid ordered because the price dropped.

?

322 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:48:05pm

re: #320 Justanotherhuman

Still, that doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened to them. Many women cover up for their husbands, with tragic results for their kids. I’m not saying that happened, but cheeez, I’d be suspicious.

Will he get any visitation or custody rights?

323 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:49:51pm

re: #321 FemNaziBitch

Amazon just emailed me. I’m getting an .84 refund on something the kid ordered because the price dropped.

?

Don’t spend it all in one place.

324 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:50:43pm

re: #320 Justanotherhuman

Still, that doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened to them. Many women cover up for their husbands, with tragic results for their kids. I’m not saying that happened, but cheeez, I’d be suspicious.

Sadly, you’re right to be suspicious; I am as well.

That’s one sick SOB. Stuff like that just makes me think that one of these days, from His throne, God/the Flying Spaghetti Monster/Cthulhu/Crom is gonna look down, and say to Himself, “Well, looks like I was a little too optimistic. Time for another Chicxulub Impact Event, and I’ll start over. I know…..I’ll try cockroaches this time around. They can’t be any worse.”

325 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:51:10pm

re: #323 goddamnedfrank

Don’t spend it all in one place.

I use that line at least once a week when I’m making change.

Somebody please stop me….

326 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:51:28pm

from my fb—Anyone remember this episode?
Youtube Video

327 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:51:58pm

re: #310 darthstar

Linky goodness

orlandosentinel.com

Love the “towing a large BBQ grill” detail…what could go wrong?

328 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:52:34pm

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

Love the “towing a large BBQ grill” detail…what could go wrong?

God will protect us

329 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:53:15pm

re: #324 Dr Lizardo

Sadly, you’re right to be suspicious; I am as well.

That’s one sick SOB. Stuff like that just makes me think that one of these days, from His throne, God/the Flying Spaghetti Monster/Cthulhu/Crom is gonna look down, and say to Himself, “Well, looks like I was a little too optimistic. Time for another Chicxulub Impact Event, and I’ll start over. I know…..I’ll try cockroaches this time around. They can’t be any worse.”

If the Almighty wants to dispense lethal lessons on good vs bad behavior, some conspicuously selective examples would be much more informative than a mass extinction.

330 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:54:51pm

I can’t seem to copy and past to Post to the Pages:
Another argument for choice.

Succinct and Excellent.

331 abolitionist  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:54:51pm

re: #329 EPR-radar

If the Almighty wants to dispense lethal lessons on good vs bad behavior, some conspicuously selective examples would be much more informative than a mass extinction.

Yeah, that sort of lesson tends to be lost on me.

332 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:55:08pm

re: #329 EPR-radar

If the Almighty wants to dispense lethal lessons on good vs bad behavior, some conspicuously selective examples would be much more informative than a mass extinction.

True, but the Almighty seems to enjoy the dramatic.

333 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:55:41pm

re: #324 Dr Lizardo

Sadly, you’re right to be suspicious; I am as well.

That’s one sick SOB. Stuff like that just makes me think that one of these days, from His throne, God/the Flying Spaghetti Monster/Cthulhu/Crom is gonna look down, and say to Himself, “Well, looks like I was a little too optimistic. Time for another Chicxulub Impact Event, and I’ll start over. I know…..I’ll try cockroaches this time around. They can’t be any worse.”

you forgot the Kracken.

I’d like to see some Kracken justice on this one.

/ 1/2 sarc

334 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:56:26pm

re: #332 Dr Lizardo

True, but the Almighty seems to enjoy the dramatic.

Dramatic and selective is not difficult, especially for the Almighty. For example, Pat Robertson disappearing up his own rectum on live TV should be a crowd pleaser.

335 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:57:08pm

re: #333 FemNaziBitch

you forgot the Kracken.

I’d like to see some Kracken justice on this one.

/ 1/2 sarc

Ray Harryhausen Kracken or CGI Kracken?

Either way, Kracken justice is pretty hard to top.

336 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:57:59pm

re: #334 EPR-radar

Dramatic and selective is not difficult, especially for the Almighty. For example, Pat Robertson disappearing up his own rectum on live TV should be a crowd pleaser.

LOLOL

If such a dramatic and deserved event would appear on pay-per-view, I’d gladly shell out some moolah for that!

337 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:58:11pm

If Jones really did soak the grill then go driving around he’s opened himself up to all kinds of charges ranging from improper storage, signage, licensing and endangerment to flagrant clean water act violations. He could be fucked if the prosecutors decide to throw the book at him.

/sorry.

338 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:58:24pm

re: #255 Gus

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I’m pretty sure that first pic is OWS favorite Cornell West.

339 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:58:50pm

re: #324 Dr Lizardo

Sadly, you’re right to be suspicious; I am as well.

That’s one sick SOB. Stuff like that just makes me think that one of these days, from His throne, God/the Flying Spaghetti Monster/Cthulhu/Crom is gonna look down, and say to Himself, “Well, looks like I was a little too optimistic. Time for another Chicxulub Impact Event, and I’ll start over. I know…..I’ll try cockroaches this time around. They can’t be any worse.”

Thing is, this shit has been going on ALL ALONG. It’s only recently that we’ve demanded truth and justice. No more secrets.

I don’t believe humanity has gotten any worse, in fact, we might be getting a bit better. We just get so tired of hearing all the bad stuff, we don’t realize that is a sign that we are getting healthier. Better than not hearing it.

340 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:59:37pm

re: #335 Dr Lizardo

Ray Harryhausen Kracken or CGI Kracken?

Either way, Kracken justice is pretty hard to top.

Kracken of your choice.

I especially like China Meiville’s, but any will do.

341 majii  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:00:21pm

re: #322 FemNaziBitch

Yes. I read that he has court-ordered visits with his kids and that they’re supposed to be supervised by his mom. Go figure. I’d be scared as hell if I were in his ex-wife’s position.

342 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:00:54pm

re: #321 FemNaziBitch

Amazon just emailed me. I’m getting an .84 refund on something the kid ordered because the price dropped.

?

I’m thinking the bank fees would have eaten up most of that. I wonder what it was before everyone got their cut.

343 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:01:30pm

re: #341 majii

Yes. I read that he has court-ordered visits with his kids and that they’re supposed to be supervised by his mom. Go figure. I’d be scared as hell if I were in his ex-wife’s position.

Yeah, I’m not sure I could be trusted.

Sad, but true.

344 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:03:21pm

re: #339 FemNaziBitch

Most of it is that squalid stories such as this one were, at one time, largely local scandals and very few outside the general region ever heard of it; now, thanks to wall-to-wall media coverage and the ubiquitous presence of the internet, these local scandals are now flashed around the world in the blink of an eye.

Humanity is as it always had been. I’m quite sure this sort of thing has been going since time immemorial.

345 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:03:22pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

I’m pretty sure that first pic is OWS favorite Cornell West.

Yes. Some weird groups I never heard of. Here’s the flyer.

346 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:04:39pm

Got some “bros” whining that Greenwald “never” supported Iraq. Anyone got a link handy?

347 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:05:13pm

Oh, that meddling gubmint….

F.T.C. Looking Into Facebook Privacy Policy

nytimes.com

I wouldn’t trust FB as far as I could throw it.

348 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:08:27pm

re: #345 Gus

Yes. Some weird groups I never heard of. Here’s the flyer.

Really obscure groups. The 9-11 truthers is probably the largest group on the list.

349 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:09:51pm

re: #346 William Barnett-Lewis

Try this one on … and it’s based on Greenwald dissembling his own book preface.

350 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:11:16pm

re: #349 lawhawk

Try this one on … and it’s based on Greenwald dissembling his own book preface.

Yeah, that’s a good one to start. Thank you.

351 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:11:28pm

re: #348 Killgore Trout

Really obscure groups. The 9-11 truthers is probably the largest group on the list.

Looks like hand made graphics.

352 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:12:14pm

re: #351 Gus

Looks like hand made graphics.

Yeah, I don’t think you could do that on photoshop if you tried.

353 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:14:04pm

re: #345 Gus

re: #348 Killgore Trout

Really obscure groups. The 9-11 truthers is probably the largest group on the list.

“I would say the military industrial complex and secret shadow government were the main culprits.”

Well, they’re not very good at being “secret” if this refugee from the 70’s knows about it!!!

354 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:14:58pm

Keepin it real…crazy!

355 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:15:07pm

re: #345 Gus

Yes. Some weird groups I never heard of. Here’s the flyer.

Marching Against Drone

it’s high time somebody did something about those fecking bagpipes

356 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:15:48pm
357 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:16:52pm

re: #354 OhNoZombies!

Keepin it real…crazy!

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We should bomb Pearl Harbor again, just to teach them a lesson.
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358 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:17:01pm

re: #355 dog philosopher

Marching Against Drone

it’s high time somebody did something about those fecking bagpipes

Sure an’ it’s not the bees they’re pissed at?

359 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:17:27pm

re: #346 William Barnett-Lewis

Got some “bros” whining that Greenwald “never” supported Iraq. Anyone got a link handy?

From the preface to his book, “How Would a Patriot Act?”

…The next significant item on the president’s agenda was the invasion of Iraq. While the administration recited the standard and obligatory clichés about war being a last resort, by mid-2002 it appeared, at least to me, that the only unresolved issue was not whether we would invade but when the invasion would begin.

During the lead-up to the invasion, I was concerned that the hell-bent focus on invading Iraq was being driven by agendas and strategic objectives that had nothing to do with terrorism or the 9/11 attacks. The overt rationale for the invasion was exceedingly weak, particularly given that it would lead to an open-ended, incalculably costly, and intensely risky preemptive war. Around the same time, it was revealed that an invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam Hussein had been high on the agenda of various senior administration officials long before September 11. Despite these doubts, concerns, and grounds for ambivalence, I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president’s performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.

bookbrowse.com

360 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:17:38pm

Where’s The Octopus?

(video didn’t embed)


When marine biologist Roger Hanlon captured the first scene in this video he started screaming. (If you need to see it again, here’s the raw footage.) Hanlon, senior scientist at the Marine Biological Laboratory in Woods Hole, studies camouflage in cephalopods—squid, cuttlefish and octopus. They are masters of optical illusion. These are some of Hanlon’s top video picks of sea creatures going in and out of hiding.

361 Stanley Sea  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:17:53pm

re: #326 FemNaziBitch

from my fb—Anyone remember this episode?
[Embedded content]

What’s the answer?

362 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:18:57pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

I’m pretty sure that first pic is OWS favorite Cornell West.

Why yes,, yes it is,,, as he looks over the million thousands hundreds dozens handful of people there

363 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:21:40pm

re: #361 Stanley Sea

What’s the answer?

I have no idea. It’s a mystery.

364 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:21:56pm

re: #360 FemNaziBitch

Where’s The Octopus?

(video didn’t embed)

When marine biologist Roger Hanlon captured the first scene in this video he started screaming. (If you need to see it again, here’s the raw footage.) Hanlon, senior scientist at the Marine Biological Laboratory in Woods Hole, studies camouflage in cephalopods—squid, cuttlefish and octopus. They are masters of optical illusion. These are some of Hanlon’s top video picks of sea creatures going in and out of hiding.

THIS IS SOOOO KEWL.

I am now reconsidering my past opinion on the whole Kracken is G-d position.

365 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:27:56pm

re: #361 Stanley Sea

The answer is always 42…

366 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:29:05pm

re: #358 Decatur Deb

Sure an’ it’s not the bees they’re pissed at?

that would be the BuzzKills

367 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:31:04pm

re: #366 dog philosopher

that would be the BuzzKills

Great name for an exterminator company

368 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 5:57:05pm

re: #367 sattv4u2

Great name for an exterminator company

Or an emo garage band.

369 trudy  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:13:06am

Since when is posting an interesting fact the same as agreeing with it? Is this article reflective of sloppy thinking, or purposeful manipulation? It IS interesting that both left and right are alarmed at NSA spying.

370 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:16:32am

re: #369 trudy

Greetings, hatchling.

371 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:17:26am

re: #369 trudy

Since your boy Glenn failed to mention the radical, violent, far-right agenda of those people he was talking about.

372 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:22:47am

re: #369 trudy

Since when is posting an interesting fact the same as agreeing with it? Is this article reflective of sloppy thinking, or purposeful manipulation? It IS interesting that both left and right are alarmed at NSA spying.

Posting a link without criticism is promotion, whether it is intended to be or not. Glenn does not say that he agrees with them, but obviously he does when it comes to Snowden, which is why he posted the link.

Do you feel manipulated by having this pointed out?

373 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:53:43am

re: #369 trudy

Why didn’t he post their name or describe them accurately?

374 BusyMonster  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:55:03pm

This is Glenn Greenwald.

This is Glenn Greenwald waving bye-bye to his credibility. If you need a hand up from the likes of Oathkeepers to bolster your case, you can go fuck yourself, Glenn.

375 BusyMonster  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:57:37pm

re: #369 trudy

Since when is posting an interesting fact the same as agreeing with it? Is this article reflective of sloppy thinking, or purposeful manipulation? It IS interesting that both left and right are alarmed at NSA spying.

No, the right doesn’t give a shit about NSA spying and never has. They only get excited about it because it gives them a chance to attack Obama.

Greenwald has just gotten into bed with the white supremacist movement, looking so hard for validation that he’s suddenly clinging to the most vile, despicable people in the country. He’s doing the same thing that firedoglake chick did, and to the same effect: nobody listens to HER anymore, and pretty soon, nobody is going to be listening to HIM anymore. He’s just turned himself into a pathetic tool. His career as a left-leaning pundit is over.

376 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:33:15pm

Been getting a lot of these weak excuses on Twitter too. They’re basically parroting Greenwald.


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