Vladimir Putin Lectures the US on Morality in the New York Times, Greenwald Co-Signs

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Ex-KGB agent Vladimir Putin in the New York Times. Oh, my aching head: A Plea for Caution From Russia.

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645 comments
1 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:28:28pm

“CONFORM!”

2 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:28:41pm

Fuck you, Glenn. And fuck you too, Pooty-Putin.

3 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:29:17pm

Why exactly did the NYT publish an op-ed from the leader of another nation?

4 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:29:28pm

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5 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:29:49pm

“Is that an S-300 in your hand or are you just waving at me?”

6 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:30:02pm
7 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:30:14pm

Glenn Greenwald-I AM Putins bitch. I will ignore every nation he attacked without the UN I will ignore all the dissidents Putin has screwed over in his career I will ignore the mysterious deaths of journalists critical of his regime… I will I will.

8 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:31:35pm

Clearly Glenn Greenwald is a Putin-bot.

9 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:31:36pm

Shorter GG: Except for meeeeeee….

10 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:31:55pm
11 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:33:08pm

There goes Glenn sucking up to his boss again.

12 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:33:24pm

From the op-ed:

Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”

The governments of Georgia & Chechnya were unavailable for comment.

13 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:33:27pm

re: #10 Vicious Babushka

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Teehee! “The Unbearable Lightness of Snowden”

14 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:34:09pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

From the op-ed:

The governments of Georgia & Chechnya were unavailable for comment.

I bet you a dollar his translator couldn’t get through that part without laughing.

15 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:34:32pm

The GG sure is honing his friend-picking technique lately.
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16 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:35:28pm

If you know anything about world events and you read this op-ed, it’s just unreal how many lies it contains.

17 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:35:43pm

re: #15 makeitstop

The GG sure is honing his friend-picking technique lately.
//

As I suggested downstairs, perhaps Al Qaida will be GG’s next BFF.

18 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:35:59pm

Does this mean that Russia is finally going to sign a peace treaty with Japan?

19 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:36:03pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

If you know anything about world events and you read this op-ed, it’s just unreal how many lies it contains.

Wouldn’t be out of place in the pages of Soviet-era Pravda.

20 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:36:38pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Why exactly did the NYT publish an op-ed from the leader of another nation?

It has done that before. In recent times Tony Blair and Vincente Fox both penned NYT op-eds while serving has head of government/head of state (respectively). But both of those men came to power in free and fair elections and did not brutalize and tyrannize their citizens, as Putin as done.

This isn’t like publishing an op-ed from Hitler, but it is like publishing an ob-ed by Mussolini.

21 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:36:57pm

Pussy Riot - Putin Lights Up the Fires

Youtube Video

This State may be stronger than the time in jail.
The more arrests it makes, the happier it is.
Every arrest is carried out with love for the sexist
The one who botoxed his cheeks and pumped his chest and abs.

But you can’t nail us in a coffin.
We throw off the yoke of former KGB!

Putin is lighting up the fires of revolution
He’s bored and scared of sharing his silence with the people
With every execution: the stench of rotten ash
With every long prison sentence: a wet dream

The country is taking the streets with no fear
The country is going to bid farewell to the regime
The country is going like a feminist wedge
And Putin is going to say goodbye like a sheep

Arrest the whole city for May 6th
Seven years in prison are not enough, give us 18!
Forbid us to scream, walk and curse!
And go and marry Father Lukashenko

22 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:37:13pm

Excellent tune.

23 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:37:27pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

Wouldn’t be out of place in the pages of Soviet-era Pravda.

I seriously doubt Putin wrote this himself. It was vetted at the highest levels of the FSB.

24 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:38:10pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

If you know anything about world events and you read this op-ed, it’s just unreal how many lies it contains.

I doubt Uncle Joe could have written that op-ed with a straight face. Probably would have made Molotov do it.

25 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:38:27pm

So Vlad says don’t intervene while intervening. Got it.

26 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:39:15pm

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27 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:39:30pm

WTF is this…My brain hurts.

28 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:40:28pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

I seriously doubt Putin wrote this himself. It was vetted at the highest levels of the FSB.

Russia is doubling down on the implausible notion that the rebels were responsible for the recent CW attack. That could blow up in their face at the UN if compelling evidence otherwise is made available.

29 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:41:25pm
30 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:41:32pm

I note that Putin opens with a swipe at the idea of American exceptionalism. Given how important many on the right (and some on the left) have said that exceptionalism is, it will be interesting to see how many on the right turn on their principals and side with Putin due to extreme Obama hate.

If you’re a conservative in the way Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley were conservative, Then Obama vs. Putin is easy: Obama is an American who is in this case defending American values. Anyone who calls himself or herself a conservative and sides with Putin over Obama in this matter thus has betrayed their cause in the name of hate.

31 Mattand  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:41:37pm

PJ Crowely, former Assistant Secretary of States is on Rachel Maddow now. He just described Putin as a “rational actor.”

This is the same “rational” actor who is all but setting up concentration camps for gay people.

I haven’t read the editorial. Maybe I should. On the other hand, I wouldn’t trust this ex-KGB motherfucker to give me the correct time. I’m failing to see why we as a country should trust him on international affairs.

32 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:41:55pm

Still seeing headlines like this, it seems to be the desired narrative
Russia’s nimble footwork on Syria
Maybe this is all part of Obama’s 11 dimensional chess, kung fu philosophy.

33 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:42:11pm
34 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:42:37pm
35 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:42:39pm
36 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:43:48pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Killgore, you be trollin’.

37 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:43:56pm

re: #31 Mattand

PJ Crowely, former Assistant Secretary of States is on Rachel Maddow now. He just described Putin as a “rational actor.”

This is the same “rational” actor who is all but setting up concentration camps for gay people.

I haven’t read the editorial. Maybe I should. On the other hand, I wouldn’t trust this ex-KGB motherfucker to give me the correct time. I’m failing to see why we as a country should trust him on international affairs.

I think he’s rational. He knows what he’s doing and seems to be doing it pretty well so far.

38 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:44:43pm

Do you think Putin would open up a million or two acres in the vast nothingness of Siberia for ex-pat Americans to build their libertarian utopia?

39 Mattand  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:45:13pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

I think he’s rational. He knows what he’s doing and seems to be doing it pretty well so far.

I don’t consider homophobic dictators rational. But I do get the point you’re driving at.

40 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:45:20pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

WTF is this…My brain hurts.

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Except for all those Un-American liberals.
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41 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:45:52pm

re: #38 b.d.

Do you think Putin would open up a million or two acres in the vast nothingness of Siberia for ex-pat Americans to build their libertarian utopia?

Galt’s Steppe

42 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:46:13pm

re: #38 b.d.

It’s kinda flooded right now.

43 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:46:20pm

re: #38 b.d.

Putin the Pied Piper will lead the way.

44 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:46:59pm

Does Greenwald know that Putin supports anti-GLBT legislation? It’s like Greenwald is living in a bizarro world where only he and Snowden matter. Russia is barely a democracy.

45 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:47:26pm

re: #28 EPR-radar

Let’s suppose it was the rebels. No problem, just re target and launch. Al Nusra gets it from above. Everyone ok with that? ///

46 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:47:34pm

A few more Putin editorials ought to flip Congress the other direction.

47 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:47:39pm

re: #38 b.d.

Do you think Putin would open up a million or two acres in the vast nothingness of Siberia for ex-pat Americans to build their libertarian utopia?

BЯOTOPIA

48 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:47:43pm

re: #41 Vicious Babushka

Galt’s Steppe

Capital city: Derpingrad.

49 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:48:14pm

Now I understand all the preening, bare chested photos of Putin now.

Rarely Together, Putins Meet Up Only to Split Up

nytimes.com

50 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:48:56pm

re: #45 Political Atheist

Let’s suppose it was the rebels. No problem, just re target and launch. Al Nusra gets it from above. Everyone ok with that? ///

If it really was the rebels, then the non-proliferation issue gets much more urgent and much more difficult to solve.

51 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:49:07pm

They can film House Hunters there.

“This cage is too small, how can we entertain in here?”

52 AlexRogan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:49:46pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

I think he’s rational. He knows what he’s doing and seems to be doing it pretty well so far.

Putin isn’t going to do or say anything that doesn’t benefit him or the Russian government; my guess is that there’s something to do with Syria’s CW stockpile, either delivery devices or the CW components themselves, that’s of relatively recent Russian vintage (that’s to say, when either Putin or Medevev have been in office) that puts Russia balls deep in this whole mess.

53 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:49:47pm

re: #49 Justanotherhuman

“Stripped of the political institutions that existed even during the Soviet era, Russia is largely governed by Mr. Putin’s ideas and frame of mind.”

Exceptional!

54 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:50:00pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

I’m THankful G W Bush was President then as he UNITED UNTIED our country

fixted

55 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:50:27pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

If you know anything about world events and you read this op-ed, it’s just unreal how many lies it contains.

I hope NYTimes features a rebuttal to Putin. Does the Times regularly feature America’s enemies? At the very least, Putin is supporting a regime which just used chemical weapons against its civilian population.

56 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:50:55pm

re: #44 Patricia Kayden

Does Greenwald know that Putin supports anti-GLBT legislation? It’s like Greenwald is living in a bizarro world where only he and Snowden matter. Russia is barely a democracy.

He doesn’t care. Glenn Greenwald is blinded by his rage and ego. He is at best what Putin would call a “useful idiot”.

57 Belafon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:52:00pm

re: #44 Patricia Kayden

GG was claiming that the information he had was so bad, the US government wanted him dead. And then he announced he was coming to the US for that Socialist party convention.

2 + 2 = 22 with him.

58 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:52:02pm

Funny I didn’t see US presidents publishing things in Moscow’s biggest daily when the Russians were acting like assholes to the Chechens.

59 teleskiguy  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:52:25pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

I note that Putin opens with a swipe at the idea of American exceptionalism. Given how important many on the right (and some on the left) have said that exceptionalism is, it will be interesting to see how many on the right turn on their principals and side with Putin due to extreme Obama hate.

If you’re a conservative in the way Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley were conservative, Then Obama vs. Putin is easy: Obama is an American who is in this case defending American value. Anyone who calls himself or herself a conservative and sides with Putin over Obama in this matter thus has betrayed their cause in the name of hate.

Well said Dark_Falcon!

60 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:52:38pm

re: #44 Patricia Kayden

Does Greenwald know that Putin supports anti-GLBT legislation? It’s like Greenwald is living in a bizarro world where only he and Snowden matter. Russia is barely a democracy.

Greenwald doesn’t care. It’s all about him. It’s just like Pamela calling everybody else “Nazi” and “Kapo” while being BFFs with actual neo-Nazis.

61 Mattand  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:53:54pm

re: #44 Patricia Kayden

Does Greenwald know that Putin supports anti-GLBT legislation? It’s like Greenwald is living in a bizarro world where only he and Snowden matter. Russia is barely a democracy.

The guy endorsed the Oath Keepers earlier today. Cursory Googling seems to point to the Oath Keepers liking gay people the way snowmen like heat waves.

I’m starting to get the impression that Glenn doesn’t think things through at times.

62 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:54:09pm

re: #35 jaunte

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I really like Serwer senior.

63 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:55:09pm
64 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:55:53pm

re: #63 Gus

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Yep.

65 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:56:13pm

re: #61 Mattand

The guy endorsed the Oath Keepers earlier today. Cursory Googling seems to point to the Oath Keepers liking gay people the way snowmen like heat waves.

I’m starting to get the impression that Glenn doesn’t think things through at times.

from a sunlit balcony in brazil it must all seem like word games

66 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:56:30pm
67 AlexRogan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:56:41pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

He doesn’t care. Glenn Greenwald is blinded by his rage and ego. He is at best what Putin would call a “useful idiot”.

Hell, I would call GG a useful idiot, because he is.

68 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:56:53pm

I’d rather read Thomas Friedman

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69 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:57:21pm

re: #61 Mattand

The guy endorsed the Oath Keepers earlier today. Cursory Googling seems to point to the Oath Keepers liking gay people the way snowmen like heat waves.

I’m starting to get the impression that Glenn doesn’t think things through at times.

Glenn just hears “Fuck Obama!” and declares “Right on, Comrade!!”

70 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:57:24pm

re: #52 AlexRogan

Putin isn’t going to do or say anything that doesn’t benefit him or the Russian government; my guess is that there’s something to do with Syria’s CW stockpile, either delivery devices or the CW components themselves, that’s of relatively recent Russian vintage (that’s to say, when either Putin or Medevev have been in office) that puts Russia balls deep in this whole mess.

Yup, he has a customer in need of merchandise, weapons, ammo, etc . It’s in his interest to keep his costomer alive and buying. Capitalism!

71 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:58:42pm
72 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:58:42pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

I note that Putin opens with a swipe at the idea of American exceptionalism. Given how important many on the right (and some on the left) have said that exceptionalism is, it will be interesting to see how many on the right turn on their principals and side with Putin due to extreme Obama hate.

If you’re a conservative in the way Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley were conservative, Then Obama vs. Putin is easy: Obama is an American who is in this case defending American values. Anyone who calls himself or herself a conservative and sides with Putin over Obama in this matter thus has betrayed their cause in the name of hate.

I had sad predictions about the strenght of the victorious opposition among modern day “Conservatives”.

73 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:58:52pm

He’s cracking me up:

74 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:58:59pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

Glenn just hears “Fuck Obama!” and declares “Right on, Comrade!!”

It’s not at all unlike what the aforementioned Geller does with opponents of radical Islam.

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 6:59:47pm

re: #73 OhNoZombies!

He’s cracking me up:

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Not so funny given the Kursk was full of sailors that were killed.

76 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:00:03pm
77 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:00:04pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

It’s not at all unlike what the aforementioned Geller does with opponents of radical Islam.

Ayep. It’s nothing new or different. Dipshits like Greenwald are dime a dozen on the net. He’s just garnering more attention because he claims to be a “journalist” while letting his freak flag fly high.

78 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:00:09pm

re: #71 jaunte

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It’s been said here before but even if it was the rebels and not the Assad regime, that brings up another issue. And how pathetic of Hannity to echo Putin’s bs.

79 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:00:23pm
80 PeterWolf  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:00:23pm

I think Russia’s stance on gay rights, is exceptional. But, only of you view it from the perspective of a socially undeveloped neanderthal point of view.

I think Putin’s take on Afghanistan, is exceptional. Considering quite how Afghanistan came to be in the state it was in prior to 911. However did that happen again……..oh, that’s right, the exceptional failed Russian military occupation of Afghanistan that left the country unstable and paved the way for the Taliban.

Perhaps Mr Putin’s writings may work well in a place such as Russia, where political dissidents and enemies of the state seem to routinely spend time as guests in the state incarceration facilities.

Greenwald, is exceptional, an exceptional weasel. One that can apparently walk upright and has opposing thumbs. I really cannot understand why Greenwald doesn’t take his boyfriend and migrate to Russia where he can write his stories without fear of persecution and political reprisals. He and his boyfriend could live happily ever after. Oh wait……there’s something wrong there isn’t there.

81 AlexRogan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:00:40pm

re: #52 AlexRogan

Basically, Putin knows that, to be effective, any US military action in Syria to get their CW stockpile under control will require boots on the ground to secure those weapons; it sounds to me, that Putin wants to nip that prospect in the bud and play for time.

82 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:00:43pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

Ayep. It’s nothing new or different. Dipshits like Greenwald are dime a dozen on the net. He’s just garnering more attention because he claims to be a “journalist” while letting his freak flag fly high.

An even more extreme version of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It’s the enemy of my enemy is my bff.

83 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:00:43pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Still seeing headlines like this, it seems to be the desired narrative
Russia’s nimble footwork on Syria
Maybe this is all part of Obama’s 11 dimensional chess, kung fu philosophy.

You’re just mad Obama’s smarter than you.

84 AlexRogan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:02:36pm

re: #73 OhNoZombies!

He’s cracking me up:

That tweet of Gauvin’s, not cool at all.

85 Stanley Sea  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:02:37pm

re: #71 jaunte

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This is just amazingly ridiculous. I so get the feeling we are being played.

86 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:02:37pm
87 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:03:10pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

I think he’s rational. He knows what he’s doing and seems to be doing it pretty well so far.

Rather funny considering how scared of commies you are…

88 nofurrythings18  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:03:18pm

I thought Glenn believed himself extrememly exceptional. What a liar.

89 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:03:49pm

re: #85 Stanley Sea

If Hannity has jumped on the bandwagon, you know it’s going to throw a wheel soon.

90 b.d.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:04:13pm

F*ck it! Enough of this s*it, time to send Rodman to Moscow.

91 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:05:13pm

re: #90 b.d.

F*ck it! Enough of this s*it, time to send Rodman to Moscow.

Funny.

92 AlexRogan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:05:17pm

re: #90 b.d.

F*ck it! Enough of this s*it, time to send Rodman to Moscow.

Shit, I wished Rodman would have just walked over to Siberia after visiting Lil’ Kim.

93 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:06:10pm
94 psddluva4evah  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:06:30pm
95 Robert O.  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:06:59pm

If you look past the author, MOST of the points raised in the editorial are actually sound. The only part I really disagreed with was that Putin thinks opposition fighters were the ones who deployed chemical weapons. Are we to deny that there are “few champions of democracy in Syria”? Or that the opposition has many elements that the US designates as terrorists (and they are the ones who have weapons). Is Putin wrong that Afghanistan is a mess, and as soon as the US leaves, it would be chaos again, much like what happened when the Soviets withdrew? Is he wrong that Iraq is still trapped in a civil war which has killed 150,000+ people ever since Bush unwittingly unleashed the forces of civil war by removing the only secular dictator who could hold it together?

96 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:07:26pm
97 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:08:19pm

re: #75 Feline Fearless Leader

Not so funny given the Kursk was full of sailors that were killed.

Ya know…
I really wasn’t thinking about the sailors. Sorry.
I was thinking about faulty Russian tech.

98 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:08:29pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

They could waterboard an empty chair.

99 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:09:51pm

re: #76 jaunte

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One thing I remembered today: The helicopter Russia uses for NBC detection is called the Mi-24R, NATO reporting name ‘Hind-G1’. It really is good at sniffing out chemwar agents, but it also mounts the standard 4-barrel 12.7mm (.50 cal) Gatling gun and 4 hardpoints carrying additional .50 cal MGs, 23mm cannons, 500lb bombs, or 80mm rockets. Putin might be wanting to turn those loose against the rebels.

100 PeterWolf  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:10:01pm

Perhaps the next time Miranda is returning from Berlin, Greenwald will encourage him to travel via Moscow, instead of Heathrow.

101 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:10:33pm

re: #95 Robert O.

If you look past the author, MOST of the points raised in the editorial are actually sound. The only part I really disagreed with was that Putin thinks opposition fighters were the ones who deployed chemical weapons. Are we to deny that there are “few champions of democracy in Syria”? Or that the opposition has many elements that the US designates as terrorists (and they are the ones who have weapons). Is Putin wrong that Afghanistan is a mess, and as soon as the US leaves, it would be chaos again, much like what happened when the Soviets withdrew? Is he wrong that Iraq is still trapped in a civil war which has killed 150,000+ people ever since Bush unwittingly unleashed the forces of civil war by removing the only secular dictator who could hold it together?

If I want to read something condescending and full of shit about the situation the US has had to deal with in the past decade, I’ll listen to Noam Fucking Chomsky. An ex-KGB thug talking down to me does not sound better just because I put a mask over his face.

102 AlexRogan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:11:09pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

Awwww, a little RWNJ Rush-bot has a sad about someone saying that the Oathkeepers are full of shit.

Their tears are delicious.

103 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:11:18pm

This is funny…a friend of mine just checked her smoke detector (they’re supposed to be replaced every 10 years. It was built in 1974.

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104 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:11:41pm

re: #103 darthstar

This is funny…a friend of mine just checked her smoke detector (they’re supposed to be replaced every 10 years. It was built in 1974.

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Patent Pending!

105 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:12:35pm

Please make sure they are replaced immediately.

106 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:13:22pm
107 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:13:35pm

re: #105 Amory Blaine

Please make sure they are replaced immediately.

And add a carbon monoxide detector if there isn’t already one there.

108 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:14:51pm
109 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:15:12pm

re: #95 Robert O.

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110 Gus  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:15:19pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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Pa’ derp a derp.

111 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:16:01pm
More generally, Russia has at least for now made itself indispensable in containing the conflict in Syria, which Mr. Putin has argued could ignite Islamic unrest around the region — even as far as Russia’s own restive Muslim regions — if it is mismanaged.

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112 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:18:10pm
113 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:18:19pm

Yes folks, Putin coming in, riding upon a white bear, to save the day. Nobody need ask why he didn’t do this two fucking weeks ago!

114 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:18:23pm

Russian police seize painting of Putin in lingerie

Russia bans “insulting representatives of authority.”

115 psddluva4evah  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:19:22pm

I’m done.

As evidenced by the coverage I’ve seen so far, I see the Left are gonna cling to Putin’s sudden honest broker “turn towards more Democratic views” as a revelation from Liberal/Progressive stand point (let’s ignore the fact that the op-ed to a tee seem to be focus tested to impress the Left).

I also see the the right will cling to Putin’s “lecturing Obama” on FP as another pyre on the bonfire that is Obama’s “lead-from behind, weakening of America” type of Presidential leadership.

Seems thanks to Putin a new coalition will be created.

Whatever.

116 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:20:15pm

re: #114 jaunte

Russian police seize painting of Putin in lingerie

Russia bans “insulting representatives of authority.”

In Russia, authorities insult you.

Only they are exceptional.

117 AlexRogan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:20:29pm

re: #114 jaunte

Russian police seize painting of Putin in lingerie

Russia bans “insulting representatives of authority.”

Yeah, I read something about that a few days ago; this has the distinct odor of “lèse-majesté”.

/all hail King Vlad…

118 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:22:57pm
119 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:23:34pm

It’s like the giant elephant in the room decided he’s going to give everybody shit for even bothering to notice him. Russia lecturing the world on letting diplomacy work in Syria is just all sorts of chutzpah when you consider that Russia is the reason why not a damned thing has happened to bring a diplomatic end to the rebellion. Hell, they didn’t even wait a full day after proposing that Syria give up its chem weapons before it declared it won’t support a resolution unless the US swears off military strikes.

120 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:24:55pm

re: #115 psddluva4evah

I’m done.

As evidenced by the coverage I’ve seen so far, I see the Left are gonna cling to Putin’s sudden honest broker “turn towards more Democratic views” as a revelation from Liberal/Progressive stand point (let’s ignore the fact that the op-ed to a tee seem to be focus tested to impress the Left).

I also see the the right will cling to Putin’s “lecturing Obama” on FP as another pyre on the bonfire that is Obama’s “lead-from behind, weakening of America” type of Presidential leadership.

Seems thanks to Putin a new coalition will be created.

Whatever.

Sick, just sick.

121 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:24:59pm

Missouri lawmakers pushing to nullify federal machine gun ban

Republican lawmakers in Missouri vow to overturn a gubernatorial veto and enact a law that will both nullify the federal ban on owning machine guns and make it illegal for federal authorities to try to enforce it.

“This bill doesn’t put one new gun on the street,” state House Bill 436 author State Rep. Doug Funderburk (R) told CNN in an interview aired Wednesday. “It strictly says that Missouri is going to protect the Second Amendment rights of Missourians.”

The measure would put state law above federal gun regulations and make it illegal to conduct background checks for gun owners or to publish a gun owner’s name and address.

Why exactly would one need a machine gun to defend oneself? Are there many bands of roving marauders ransacking Missouri?

122 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:25:20pm
123 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:25:33pm
124 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:26:24pm

re: #115 psddluva4evah

I’m done.

As evidenced by the coverage I’ve seen so far, I see the Left are gonna cling to Putin’s sudden honest broker “turn towards more Democratic views” as a revelation from Liberal/Progressive stand point (let’s ignore the fact that the op-ed to a tee seem to be focus tested to impress the Left).

I also see the the right will cling to Putin’s “lecturing Obama” on FP as another pyre on the bonfire that is Obama’s “lead-from behind, weakening of America” type of Presidential leadership.

Seems thanks to Putin a new coalition will be created.

Whatever.

Pretty neat trick, eh?

quickmeme.com

125 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:26:41pm
126 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:27:02pm

I…
Have a confession to make.
3 weeks ago I…opened a portal to an alternate reality…
Well…it kind of…sucked us all in.
…
Uh…my bad?

127 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:27:05pm

Kinda sad Chavez didn’t live to see this.

128 prairiefire  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:27:14pm

re: #121 Kragar

Missouri lawmakers pushing to nullify federal machine gun ban

Why exactly would one need to machine gun to defend oneself? Are there many bands of roving marauders ransacking Missouri?

No, and it’s going to cause all kinds of hell for the local police making arrests. It’s yet another Republican craptastic bill.

129 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:27:42pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

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Or George Zimmerman’s treatise on gun control.

130 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:27:42pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

Pat Robertson’s guide to quietly living ones faith…

131 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:28:01pm

re: #121 Kragar

Why exactly would one need a machine gun to defend oneself? Are there many bands of roving marauders ransacking Missouri?

If I remember my history right, the roving marauders were from Missouri, but were actually ransacking Kansas.

132 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:28:20pm

re: #126 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I…
Have a confession to make.
3 weeks ago I…opened a portal to an alternate reality…
Well…it kind of…sucked us all in.
…
Uh…my bad?

I wanted to make a Sliders joke here, but then I suddenly felt really old.

133 elizajane  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:32:01pm

Well, just remember:

“I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy… I was able to get a sense of his soul. He’s a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that’s the beginning of a very constructive relationship,” Bush said.

And of course, Bush was a sensitive judge of character and right about pretty much everything in foreign policy.
//

134 AlexRogan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:34:32pm

re: #131 erik_t

If I remember my history right, the roving marauders were from Missouri, but were actually ransacking Kansas.

Indeed.

Bleeding Kansas

135 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:35:08pm
136 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:35:20pm

re: #131 erik_t

If I remember my history right, the roving marauders were from Missouri, but were actually ransacking Kansas.

Correct. it is also worth remembering that those groups of raiders also provided the training for the James-Younger Gang that robbed banks and trains for years after the war had ended.

137 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:36:11pm
138 AlexRogan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:37:02pm

re: #127 Killgore Trout

Kinda sad Chavez didn’t live to see this.

Nah, I’m not bothered that Chavez is currently worm food.

Your level of concern is palpable.

139 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:37:15pm

re: #121 Kragar

Thankfully, the override attempt failed in the state senate. It failed by only one vote, but the veto was upheld.

140 AlexRogan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:38:33pm

re: #133 elizajane

Well, just remember:

And of course, Bush was a sensitive judge of character and right about pretty much everything in foreign policy.
//

That was one instance where McCain got it right with the “K-G-B” bit.

141 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:38:58pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Thankfully, the override attempt failed in the state senate. It failed by only one vote, but the veto was upheld.

And you know everyone who voted against the override is getting a world of shit over it.

142 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:39:28pm

Ok..even though I’m a little gun-shy…

143 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:41:11pm

re: #121 Kragar

Missouri lawmakers pushing to nullify federal machine gun ban

Why exactly would one need a machine gun to defend oneself? Are there many bands of roving marauders ransacking Missouri?

Can I get an M2 fitty?

Image: Machine_gun_M2_1.jpg

How a bout a ZSU23? Can I get a four-barreled ZSU23?

Image: ZSU-23-4-Camp-Pendleton.jpg

Assad has got 400 of these puppies. Home defense!

(George Zimmerman saw that picture and had a waking wet dream in his pants.)

144 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:41:17pm

re: #126 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I…
Have a confession to make.
3 weeks ago I…opened a portal to an alternate reality…
Well…it kind of…sucked us all in.
…
Uh…my bad?

You may need to ease up on the cortexiphan.

145 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:49:07pm
146 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:55:29pm

eating at an applebee’s i always have a powerful impression of being normed

147 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:59:27pm


I laughed.

148 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:59:40pm
149 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:02:07pm

Putin’s op-ed is a lot better if you read it in the voice of Lord Humongous from The Road Warrior.

150 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:05:52pm

re: #143 austin_blue

Can I get an M2 fitty?

Image: Machine_gun_M2_1.jpg

How a bout a ZSU23? Can I get a four-barreled ZSU23?

Image: ZSU-23-4-Camp-Pendleton.jpg

Assad has got 400 of these puppies. Home defense!

(George Zimmerman saw that picture and had a waking wet dream in his pants.)

No to the second, since its a destructive device, not a machine gun.

/Factual, though I know Austin is foolin’.

151 palomino  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:06:05pm

re: #71 jaunte

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Soon, Hannity will be defending Putin’s assertion of rebels using chemical weapons over the findings of the State Dept., other govt agencies here and abroad, the UN, and virtually every other source that’s more credible than Russia. The depths Hannity will plumb in order to stay on message: “Obama is bad, nothing else matters.”

152 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:08:47pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

I wanted to make a Sliders joke here, but then I suddenly felt really old.

And I would’ve gotten it, too.

153 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:09:26pm
154 palomino  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:10:16pm

re: #121 Kragar

Missouri lawmakers pushing to nullify federal machine gun ban

Why exactly would one need a machine gun to defend oneself? Are there many bands of roving marauders ransacking Missouri?

Even the current president of the NRA (forgot his name, La Pierre is just VP-Spokesman) opposes legalizing fully automatics.

At least that was his answer recently at a forum when a college kid asked him, “OK, where would you draw the line on legal vs. illegal weapons.” NRA leader’s answer: “At automatic machine guns.”

When a state legislature is more pro-gun than the NRA, something is really fucked up in that state.

155 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:11:49pm

truly:

156 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:13:22pm

re: #154 palomino

Even the current president of the NRA (forgot his name, La Pierre is just VP-Spokesman) opposes legalizing fully automatics.

At least that was his answer recently at a forum when a college kid asked him, “OK, where would you draw the line on legal vs. illegal weapons.” NRA leader’s answer: “At automatic machine guns.”

When a state legislature is more pro-gun than the NRA, something is really fucked up in that state.

That really isn’t the point of the vote. The state GOP meant it as a trap for rural Democrats. More than one such Dem said they’d be voting to override even knowing the law was unconstitutional because to vote against a gun bill would guarantee their constituents would be receiving hysterical mailers saying “Your representative voted to let Obama take away your guns!!1”.

[headdesk]

157 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:13:25pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

I wanted to make a Sliders joke here, but then I suddenly felt really old.

Wait, now Sliders is old?

*checks google*

Oh holy shit.

158 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:14:33pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Fun fact. In at least a few states, there is a cannon loophole.

This will eventually end in tragedy.

159 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:16:40pm
160 Lidane  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:16:43pm

Pussy Riot could not be reached for comment.

Also, I am still amused by all these dudebros trying to turn an ex-KGB autocrat who imprisons and arrests people at will into some paragon of virtue and freedom.

In short, fuck Glenn Greenwald and his lackeys.

161 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:16:57pm

re: #153 NJDhockeyfan

The NY Times gets the most scorn. They could change the name but “Pravda” is taken. (That means “truth,” so you see where Putin learned.)

Pravda and Izvestia. Truth and Information. We used to joke that there was no information in truth and no truth in information. Where does that leave the NY Times?

162 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:17:54pm

re: #161 Political Atheist

Pravda and Izvestia. Truth and Information. We used to joke that there was no information in truth and no truth in information. Where does that leave the NY Times?

Desperate to stay relevant.

163 Mattand  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:18:25pm

Mr. Show reunion on Daily Show right now.

164 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:19:05pm

re: #158 ProTARDISLiberal

Fun fact. In at least a few states, there is a cannon loophole.

This will eventually end in tragedy.

Unlikely. Destructive devices have to be registered under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA). Weapons registered under the GCA and the earlier National Firearms Act (NFA) have very seldom been used to commit crimes and the only two murders committed with NFA-registered machine guns were both committed by police officers.

165 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:20:42pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

I remember this because, a few years ago, a story popped up about a home-made cannon exploding, and police having no grounds to arrest him.

166 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:21:21pm

Huh. I barely missed the Sacred and Traditional Notification of Number of Dumb Comments I’ve Made You Read.

8009. So close.

You all have my sincere apology. Those responsible have been sacked.

167 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:21:25pm

re: #159 NJDhockeyfan

Image: 627.jpg

168 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:21:26pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

By cannon, I mean a very literal, slow reloading big big caliber gun.

169 simoom  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:22:58pm

I listened to the Gellman NPR interview in its entirety. This exchange occurs at ~26:40. Gellman’s “strong evidence” that Snowden hasn’t intentionally or inadvertently shared his trove of secrets w/ Wikileaks, the Chinese, the Russians, etc is:

1) That there’s no evidence he has besides “pure speculation.”

2) that because Snowden could have made the “whole pile” public on the internet right off that bat, and that three months in we don’t see that, it strongly demonstrates he doesn’t intend to.

3) that Gellman considers Snowden “exceptionally skilled at digital self defense,” that he believes Snowden has “rendered himself incapable of opening the archive while he’s in Russia, that is to say, it’s not only that he doesn’t even have the key anymore, it’s that there’s nothing for the key to open anymore. That he has rendered the encrypted information literally impossible to open with what he has in his possession. He has told a former Senator, in a letter, that even under torture, he couldn’t give the information to the Russians. That’s not a boast about his alleged ability to withstand torture; that is a statement of fact about his capabilities. He simply can’t open it, and that means the Russians can’t get it.” (Gellman earlier in the interview claimed to only have a layman’s understanding of digital security)

Former Senator?… But anyway, Gellman’s “strong evidence” is his own speculation.

170 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:23:47pm

re: #160 Lidane

Pussy Riot could not be reached for comment.

Also, I am still amused by all these dudebros trying to turn an ex-KGB autocrat who imprisons and arrests people at will into some paragon of virtue and freedom.

In short, fuck Glenn Greenwald and his lackeys.

Hey Glenn… psst! Remember this?

171 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:24:59pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

Unlikely. Destructive devices have to be registered under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA). Weapons registered under the GCA and the earlier National Firearms Act (NFA) have very seldom been used to commit crimes and the only two murders committed with NFA-registered machine guns were both committed by police officers.

Muzzle loading holy black powder charged canon are exempt. So are antiques and hand cranked guns. A .50 cal Gatling style gun is perfectly legal and rather expensive.

172 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:27:02pm
173 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:27:15pm

re: #171 William Barnett-Lewis

Well muzzle loaders do have that advantage peculiar to DC. No empty cartridge to get you arrested!

174 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:28:54pm

re: #171 William Barnett-Lewis

Muzzle loading holy black powder charged canon are exempt. So are antiques and hand cranked guns. A .50 cal Gatling style gun is perfectly legal and rather expensive.

Thank you for the info.

175 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:32:06pm
176 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:33:13pm

Compromise time. I’ll stop all of the pointless demonization of Putin, if they’ll start all of the pointful demonization of Putin.

Deal?

177 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:33:46pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

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What, his predecessors are holding a gun to his head to make him jail journalists and outlaw homosexuality?

178 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:33:47pm

Good night all.

179 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:34:01pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

According to the American Committee to Protect Journalists, 77 Russian journalists have been murdered since 1992 - 41 during Yeltsin’s 8 years in power, 36 during Putin’s 12 years.

Oh, so he’s not so bad, then.

180 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:34:24pm

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

181 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:35:02pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

What, his predecessors are holding a gun to his head to make him jail journalists and outlaw homosexuality?

From beyond the grave! With secret Russian magnets or something!

182 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:37:18pm

Seriously, Cohen, that’s a page out of the Soviet playbook. You know, take office and immediately denounce your predecessor as a tyrant and a fool…before continuing his policies without the least hint of irony.

183 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:38:47pm

so, the frozen yoghurt place in the mall still has that louche and inappropriate ‘eurotart’ flavor

i told you the state of california should have never made it legal to speak french

184 simoom  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:39:45pm

re: #169 simoom

Heh, at ~31m:

Bart Gellman: “It’s not, I think, purely a question of self preservation, though everyone has those motives. He said early on that he would like to not only expose behavior that he thinks is wrong and dangerous to American democracy, but he also wanted to set a new kind of model for whistle-blowing. There has never been someone who came out and said, raised his hand and said, “I did it,” and for practical purposes there has never been someone who did this without having his life pretty much destroyed for either a period of time or a very long time. And he wanted to say, it is possible, and here’s how, to make public disclosures that you’re not authorized to make and live a full and normal life afterward. Not necessarily in the United States. But that you can start a debate that many, many people regard as a legitimate debate and that you can find refuge somewhere.”

Isn’t that actually a very old kind of model?

de*fect intransitive verb di-ˈfekt
: to leave a country, political party, organization, etc., and go to a different one that is a competitor or an enemy

185 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:39:49pm

That was really weak sauce, Cohen.

186 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:41:24pm
187 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:41:56pm

i hear the new york times is going to make Dictator Chat a regular column

188 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:42:36pm

It’s just all kinds of hilarious to watch the far-left and the far-right join together in their ODS to begin the rehabilitation of Vlad Putin.

189 Balfour Rage  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:43:36pm

re: #187 dog philosopher

i hear the new york times is going to make Dictator Chat a regular column

To replace the ombudsman.

190 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:44:00pm

re: #188 Targetpractice

It’s just all kinds of hilarious to watch the far-left and the far-right join together in their ODS to begin the rehabilitation of Vlad Putin.

my emoprog correspondents don’t seem particularly impressed with him

191 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:44:39pm
192 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:46:43pm
193 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:46:49pm

re: #190 dog philosopher

my emoprog correspondents don’t seem particularly impressed with him

That’s alright, I’ve got wingnuts who are not so quietly creaming their pants over this op-ed. Even the whole exceptionalism bit is getting cheers, though because they declare it a “slap in the face” to Obama’s speech on Tuesday and their own belief that he totally disbelieves the idea of “American exceptionalism.”

194 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:48:22pm

re: #193 Targetpractice

That’s alright, I’ve got wingnuts who are not so quietly creaming their pants over this op-ed. Even the whole exceptionalism bit is getting cheers, though because they declare it a “slap in the face” to Obama’s speech on Tuesday and their own belief that he totally disbelieves the idea of “American exceptionalism.”

He’s right. Major weirdness going on.

195 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:50:37pm
196 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:51:28pm

I don’t know why y’all are confused. The ni*CLANG*! had to be put back into his place. He got too uppity, dontcha know?

197 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:53:27pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

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I love watching the emo-progs throw LGBT rights under the bus to help Putin put the Near Sheriff in his place.

Fuck them all.

198 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:55:37pm
199 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:57:01pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

Exposé?

200 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:57:17pm

Puff piece.

201 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:57:27pm
202 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:58:16pm

What can you do but laugh at these people? That’s one of the most pathetic attempts at excuse-making I think I’ve ever seen.

203 darthstar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:59:24pm

What the fuck? Conspiracy Theorists imagining Israel attacking Syria now?

204 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:00:22pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

How is this an expose?

205 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:00:36pm

re: #203 darthstar

Some other Syria tweets have been talking about a chlorine gas attack in the last few minutes.

206 simoom  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:01:55pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Yeah, no one can reasonably argue he was just linking to something of interest. He whitewashed and obfuscated who they were and made an appeal to their authority as LEO & military.

207 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:06:35pm

re: #204 Kragar

How is this an expose?

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Not only that, the article at Reason.com is an absolutely shameless whitewash of the Oathkeepers.

208 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:07:41pm
209 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:09:08pm

re: #208 jaunte

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I’m getting epic air!

210 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:11:16pm

re: #208 jaunte

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“FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU”
- Frog

211 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:12:19pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

Not only that, the article at Reason.com is an absolutely shameless whitewash of the Oathkeepers.

Wait to you get to the comment about how the SPLC are just proggy Obama-worshippers.

212 Balfour Rage  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:13:24pm

You like pictures? Go to aphotoaday.org. It’s (mostly) young, budding photojournalists, and the work is top notch. Here’s the link to todays:
aphotoaday.org

213 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:13:28pm
214 SnowdenBaggerVance  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:17:52pm

I come home from work to find a OpEd from Putin in the great evil liberal NY Times and not one peep of incredulity or scorn from the right wing. I’ve been looking.

More Right Wing Not Actually Acting Like The Typical Right Wing.

Must have something to do with the black dude.

215 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:20:27pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

What can you do but laugh at these people? That’s one of the most pathetic attempts at excuse-making I think I’ve ever seen.

Well, Mr. Charles Chuck Chuck Chuck Chucky Chucky Chucky-Cheese McJohnson Johnson, it’s an expose because SHUT UP YOU TRAITOROUS TURNCOAT!!!

Of course, ///.

But I think that will sum up the response to you in Bizaare-o-World/Putin is a Statesman not a Sociopathic Apparatchik/Modern Political Discourse Amerika.

The response to Putin’s OpEd by the Wingnut/Moonbat convergence makes me want to scrub myself with lye soap for an extended period of time. And repeat. That’s a whole lot o’ stink.

216 simoom  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:21:37pm

Alan Colmes takes his turn at the Putin boot-licking:

alan.com

In a New York Times op-ed, Vladimir Putin comments on our ridiculous obsession with “American exceptionalism.” … This is much more nuanced and intelligent view than those of the yahoos who scream about “American exceptionalism.”

217 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:22:41pm

re: #216 simoom

Alan Colmes’ takes his turn at the Putin boot-licking:

alan.com

Quelle fucking surprise!

218 erik_t  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:23:33pm

re: #216 simoom

In a New York Times op-ed, Vladimir Putin comments on our ridiculous obsession with “American exceptionalism.” … This is much more nuanced and intelligent view than those of the yahoos who scream about “American exceptionalism.”

THE FUCKING PRESIDENT. OF FUCKING RUSSIA.

ON WHAT GODDAMNED PLANET HAVE I AWOKEN?

219 SnowdenBaggerVance  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:24:20pm

As if being against the deployment of chemical weapons on non-combatants is American Exceptionalism.

The last few months has been 50 Shades of Losing Our Collective Shit.

220 jaunte  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:25:32pm

re: #216 simoom

“Exceptionalism” is only a habit of every single group of one or more humans on the planet.

221 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:25:45pm

re: #216 simoom

Alan Colmes’ takes his turn at the Putin boot-licking:

alan.com

TWO comments?

Ah, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

222 Lidane  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:28:43pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

Not only that, the article at Reason.com is an absolutely shameless whitewash of the Oathkeepers.

That’s okay. Everything at Reason is a whitewash. It’s Dudebro Central over there.

223 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:28:53pm

Am I the only person who remembers that a few years back the President criticized American exceptionalism, and the right wing lost its shit?

Is there some kind out of opt-out on object permanence?

224 Lidane  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:31:01pm

re: #223 The Ghost of a Flea

Am I the only person who remembers that a few years back the President criticized American exceptionalism, and the right wing lost its shit?

Well, yes. But the guy criticizing American Exceptionalism is just an ex-KGB autocrat that arrests and imprisons people at will. You know, no big deal or anything.

Also, the fact that the American right are currently on their knees worshipping the Russian president will never not be funny to me. Assholes and hypocrites, all of them.

225 Single-handed sailor  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:31:30pm

re: #168 ProTARDISLiberal

Hey, I know you’ll love this. TARDIS found in Van Gogh painting.

226 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:33:03pm

re: #224 Lidane

Well, yes. But the guy criticizing American Exceptionalism is just an ex-KGB autocrat that arrests and imprisons people at will. Yoiu know, no big deal or anything.

Also, the fact that the American right are currently on their knees worshipping the Russian president will never not be funny to me. Assholes and hypocrites, all of them.

Putin pushing a very “communist line,” that people should not be told they’re exceptional because God made us all equal, is being twisted by the ODS crowd as some sort of slight against Obama.

I cannot ever remember BDS getting so bad that foreign propaganda was being foisted in the op-ed section of the New York Times.

227 simoom  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:33:04pm

re: #223 The Ghost of a Flea

Am I the only person who remembers that a few years back the President criticized American exceptionalism, and the right wing lost its shit?

He didn’t even criticize it. He actually said he believed in it and then made the concept more inclusive to his international audience at a NATO summit in France:

“I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.”

228 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:34:05pm

re: #227 simoom

He didn’t even criticize it. He actually said he believed in it and then made the concept more inclusive to his international audience at a NATO summit in France:

And they screamed bloody murder over that. How dare he, they railed, suggest that America is not exceptional?! America is the best nation in the world, he should be telling people that rather than suggesting that only Americans think America is exceptional!

229 simoom  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:50:29pm

“I disagree with Putin, of course, but … isn’t he just dreamy?!”

230 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:51:56pm

re: #229 simoom

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“I disagree with Putin, of course, … but isn’t he just dreamy?!”

These people are just too stupid.

231 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:52:52pm

Hannity’s leg is tingling.

232 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:53:53pm

re: #231 Amory Blaine

Hannity’s leg is tingling.

Looks like everybody is just falling all over themselves to choke on Putin’s dick.

233 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:56:02pm

re: #229 simoom

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“I disagree with Putin, of course, but … isn’t he just dreamy?!”

At this point, all this Putin worship might as well just be read as “I hate Obama enough to snuggle up to a Russian autocrat!”

234 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:56:56pm

The KGBros.

235 blueraven  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:57:40pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

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Did he delete the tweet?

I am getting the old “Sorry that page Doesnt Exist”

236 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:57:53pm

re: #229 simoom

Nicholas Kristof isn’t an idiot, at least not historically, and certainly no fan of Putin. This is a failure of the medium. I hope.

237 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:59:00pm

re: #219 SnowdenBaggerVance

As if being against the deployment of chemical weapons on non-combatants is American Exceptionalism.

The last few months has been 50 Shades of Losing Our Collective Shit.

No, you’re not the only one.

238 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:59:47pm

re: #229 simoom

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“I disagree with Putin, of course, but … isn’t he just dreamy?!”

It’s more along the lines of the fact that the political opposition here has reached the point that they are falling for it. Which empowers Putin to even attempt something like this.

And that the “my country, right or wrong” crowd are the ones falling head over heels for this stuff is actually sort of disgusting.

239 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 10:00:50pm

re: #232 moderatelyradicalliberal

Looks like everybody is just falling all over themselves to choke on Putin’s dick.

That’s a remarkably crude and brutally accurate comment. +1.

240 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 10:05:50pm

Guess upon reflection I can’t say I’m too surprised that the press is so quick to slobber all over Putin, remember how they were so eager to buy into the “Second Term Curse” and promote every single one of the “scandals” for weeks on end? They’re still trying to push the NSA BS months after most people have moved on. They really want there to be something that leads to Obama’s downfall, if only because they can capitalize on it to sell ad space.

241 SnowdenBaggerVance  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 10:16:15pm

I listen to talk radio 95% of the time, and 95% of of it is right wing.

New channel lineups have presented Rusty Humphries and Andrea Tantaros, mixed in between the regular rantings of Beck.

They are all trying to outdo themselves looking at every event and sub-event in every possible angle how it reflects on Obama, what he did wrong, how wrong he was in doing it, and how bad it is that he did it.

Unrelenting cynicism and partisanship continuously morphing into new takes on the Same Old Same Old.

I wonder how this country can collectively put its pants on in the morning.

242 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 10:16:23pm

The bumbling failure of the GOP coupled with their repulsive policies have got the press concerned there will be no horse race for 2016 to grease their wheels. Taking down democrats will level the playing field.

243 Kragar  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 10:17:03pm

“I for one welcome our new Russian overlords” - Dudebros

244 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 10:20:08pm

heapchk

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weird and non-linear bugs usually mean memory corruption. time for

heapchk!

245 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 10:20:23pm

re: #241 SnowdenBaggerVance

I stopped listening about 2006. I couldn’t take it anymore.

246 simoom  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 11:00:13pm
247 simoom  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 11:02:30pm
248 Single-handed sailor  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 11:04:23pm

re: #244 dog philosopher

heapchk

heapchk
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weird and non-linear bugs usually mean memory corruption. time for

heapchk!

well that’s one way to put it, or are we talking about actual programming?

249 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 11:08:01pm

re: #245 Amory Blaine

I stopped listening about 2006. I couldn’t take it anymore.

Really, you should man up and check out a Limbaugh broadcast this week. Since 2006, he has gone off the rails to a breathtaking degree. Think of it as a car wreck or the fascination of the abomination. You’ve just *got* to listen.

Ever since he got popped for trolling for drugs, whose abuse deafened him, there is no longer any humor whatsoever on his program. I always thought he was a loon, but at least an occasionally entertaining loon. Now, it’s just ODS and spit and hate all the time.

Granted, one listen will put you into back into your 2006 mode, but it will be instructive to learn just to what extent RWNJ talk radio has gone off the rails.

It’s breathtaking.

250 simoom  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 11:23:01pm

Sen. Ted Cruz @ Heritage:

mediaite.com

“Apparently Wayne said, ‘Oh yeah, you’re that guy saying all those crazy things. We need 100 more like you.’ The willingness to say all those crazy things is a rare, rare characteristic, and you know what? It’s every bit as true now as it was then. We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the U.S. Senate.”

251 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 11:27:32pm

re: #249 austin_blue

No thanks. I’ll use MM as my Rush proxy. :)

252 SnowdenBaggerVance  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 11:30:24pm

It’s apparent style still counts way more than substance. Especially on the right wing. A favorite admonishment of El Rushbo against the left, it’s quite clear packaging, charisma, and invocation of faith based virtues count more than actual thinking.

253 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 11:32:47pm

re: #250 simoom

Sen. Ted Cruz @ Heritage:

mediaite.com

CRAZY AM GOOD ON BIZARRO WORLD!

254 simoom  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:02:15am

re: #247 simoom

Looks like @Maggy519 deleted her tweet. This was the Lizza tweet that she was responding to:

255 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:34:31am

hard to believe that this all boils down to a whole boatload of people that apparently cannot simply accept that there is a Black American in a position of power and that they are apparently willing to sell out their entire belief system, make former enemies friends and even use the tragic deaths of others in any attempt to gain purchase to allow them to attempt to remove or discredit him, no matter the cost or appearance. There is no line in religion, faith or even love of country that cannot be crossed in this pursuit. There is only this fixation that must be served, all other concerns are secondary. The only saving grace is that they appear to lack the balls necessary to do the deed in person because of the cowards that they are.

256 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:53:24am

The morning shift has arrived in the 4th dimension.

Image: 8-cell-simple.gif

That’s what it feels like this am.

257 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:31:44am

Colombian security aborts woman’s “baby”.

Colombia arrests woman ‘with cocaine’ in pregnancy bump

bbc.co.uk

“A Canadian national has been arrested in Colombia after trying to board a flight to Toronto with a phony pregnant belly stuffed with cocaine, police say.”

Wow, I would have thought 5 lbs of coke would be worth more than $60K after it had been cut a few times.

258 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:36:51am

Really bad flooding in and around Boulder.

#BREAKING: Confirmed homes lost in #boulderflood. “Streets of #Boulder are impassable.” - Office of Emergency Management -@ryanparkerdp

and this:

259 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:12:13am

Along with FL’s “stand your ground” law, this ought to make a lot of people think twice about making it a tourist destination. After all, the highest number of gun deaths are already caused by 18 yr olds, with 19 yr olds coming in second.

Florida joins NRA lawsuit against federal gun restrictions

Read more here: miamiherald.typepad.com

This effort is led by Pam Bondi, the bleached blonde brain trust who rescheduled an execution so she could go to a campaign fundraiser (she’s already executed 8 others in her short reign).

Can you believe she’s being touted as a future governor? Well, FL did elect Rick Scott, after all, and he and Pam are buddy-buddy.

BTW, did a more humble Baptist wedding ever take place?

Attorney General Pam Bondi’s Cayman trip looked like a wedding; it wasn’t, and many wonder why

Read more here: miamiherald.com

260 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:46:45am

Late in on this thread, but Putin is taking advantage of a political and media climate in which both the Right and Left are hostile to Obama and his policies.

that situation will never exist in Puitin’s Russia, hostile political and media elements will be marginalized or shut down if they grow to bne too big a threat.

In summary: Obama is a pathetic failure as a dictator.

261 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:48:47am

re: #246 simoom

More Pat Buchanan: “In the last week, Vladimir Putin has looked like a statesman.”

Translated: “Putin has made Obama look bad, which is good in my eyes”

262 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:00:28am

re: #261 Sol Berdinowitz

Translated: “Putin has made Obama look bad, which is good in my eyes”

The weird part is that he didn’t make Obama look bad, at least, not to anyone who didn’t already think Obama looked bad. It’s really bizarre to see the parade of jackholes who somehow think that they know what the right moves on Syria would have been. It takes a lot of chutzpah for someone with zero experience to go “Well, obviously Obama should have done X”.

263 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:02:45am

re: #262 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It takes a lot of chutzpah for someone with zero experience to go “Well, obviously Obama should have done X”.

It takes no brains at all to simply say that “If Obama did X, he should have done not-X” and that is the basis of current criticism.

264 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:08:22am

U.N. report may hint at source of Syria chemical attack

reuters.com

(Reuters) - U.N. chemical weapons investigators will not explicitly pin the blame on anyone in their upcoming report on the August 21 poison gas attack in Syria, but diplomats say their factual reporting alone could suggest which side in the country’s civil war was responsible.

The report could easily become a bargaining chip in talks between Moscow and Western powers on conditions for Syria to give up its chemical weapons and the terms of a United Nations Security Council resolution on the matter.

Two Western diplomats said they strongly expected chief U.N. investigator Ake Sellstrom’s report would confirm the U.S. view that sarin gas was used in the attack on suburbs of Damascus that killed hundreds.

265 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:05:51am

I seriously never thought I’d live to see a day where the same people who lauded St. Ronald of Reagan as THE sole reason the Soviet Union fell to be the same people who are now falling all over themselves to worship Putin’s manliness. I know these fuckers are out of their minds with hate, but holy shit. Holy. Shit. Ex-KGB agent,now the leader of Russia, crushes descent of any kind, throws in with the Russian Orthodox Church who are now using the same tactics once used against them, creating an even bigger oligarchy than the one that existed when The Sainted One was President of the US, this is their fucking hero now. A guy who uses polonium to poison journalists? Who has no problem murdering his own citizens?A guy who thinks it’s ok to jail and punish the LGBT community? (ok, this they probably love-which makes GG’s support of him vomit inducing)

Hate causes mental illness and aggravates it, this should be a freaking case study for the medical journals. I suppose a possible bright spot in all this is that it could thin the crazy herd a little bit more. I’m going to ask my wingnut family members how they like this shit. I’ll probably be off even more Christmas card lists after that. Good. Fuck these people.

Also, this scares the fuck out of me.

266 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:15:07am

CSPAN right now is going nuts with callers talking about what a failure Obama is, how it’s going to take years for us to recover and how FUCKING PUTIN is saving our asses and what an embarrassment Obama is.

Wingnuts have ruined Washington Journal. Bastards.

267 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:16:05am

re: #265 A Mom Anon

I seriously never thought I’d live to see a day where the same people who lauded St. Ronald of Reagan as THE sole reason the Soviet Union fell to be the same people who are now falling all over themselves to worship Putin’s manliness. I know these fuckers are out of their minds with hate, but holy shit. Holy. Shit. Ex-KGB agent,now the leader of Russia, crushes descent of any kind, throws in with the Russian Orthodox Church who are now using the same tactics once used against them, creating an even bigger oligarchy than the one that existed when The Sainted One was President of the US, this is their fucking hero now. A guy who uses polonium to poison journalists? Who has no problem murdering his own citizens?A guy who thinks it’s ok to jail and punish the LGBT community? (ok, this they probably love-which makes GG’s support of him vomit inducing)

Hate causes mental illness and aggravates it, this should be a freaking case study for the medical journals. I suppose a possible bright spot in all this is that it could thin the crazy herd a little bit more. I’m going to ask my wingnut family members how they like this shit. I’ll probably be off even more Christmas card lists after that. Good. Fuck these people.

Also, this scares the fuck out of me.

Those willing to laud Putin hate Obama so much they are now willing to spit on Ronald Reagan’s grave just to get their hate fix. The degeneration of a junkie is just pathetic to watch.

268 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:29:26am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

This is the voice and face of the Republican party now. I hate it too, we need two parties to balance each other out and create reasonable policy that serves the people as well as it can. This isn’t happening now. They hate the President more than they love the country. It needs to stop. It’s damaging the nation from the inside out. I didn’t like W at ALL, but I never let it cloud my judgement to the degree the current GOP has let theirs be.

In order for this to change, actual true conservatives are going to have to stand up and take back the party. It’s not happening. Instead this crap is being encouraged. With every donation to the party, every election, every media appearance (and WTF was that shit in Egypt with Bachmann, Gohmert and King? Seriously. WTF?),every unchallenged media interview, every talk show host’s daily stream of bullshit, there’s support for this. DF, you and the remaining conservatives who have some bit of sanity left need to start SCREAMING at your party leadership to stop this crap. I think many Republicans in elected offices are scared shitless of the extremists and they need to know someone has their back- actually they need to know a lot of people have their backs. For example, I don’t think Speaker Boehner is a tea party guy, but he’s scared shitless of them and bends to their will, I bet he’s not the only one. Ya’all need to kick the crazies out, they’re running things now and this is what happens when that’s allowed.

269 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:31:35am

Good Morning Lizardia!

Glenn is insisting that he TOTALLY DOES NOT SUPPORT OATHKEEPERS and everybody who says he does is just A PANTS ON FIRE LYING LIAR STUPIDHEAD POOPYPANTS TELLING MEAN FIBS!!!!!!

270 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:34:05am

re: #268 A Mom Anon

The GOP cannot do without their support at state and local level. But they are too ideologically hidebound to see just what they are doing to the party on a national level.

271 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:36:13am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

Ask him if he still has a crush on the LGBT hating Putin?A guy who would have no issue at all with the murdering of gays in Russia? A guy who is making sure being gay is a crime? Maybe he and his boyfriend can move to Russia, see how that goes, since the US is so awful. Oh, wait. They live in Brazil far away from any messes they create and stir up.

272 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:43:45am

re: #270 Sol Berdinowitz

Oh they could. They are just too damned lazy to do the work. IF they came up with candidates that supported actual policy that was conservative without being stingy hateful assholes they’d get crossover support from some of the more conservative Democrats.They have the media outlets to explain what they’re doing to the public. The larger problem is that Republicans do not want to govern, they just want to get elected. Governance is hard, politics is just a lucrative game they can play for personal enrichment. There’s also the big money issue, the threat of money flooding a district to get the crazy elected, but even that can be overcome with boots on the ground. I am tired of hearing there’s no solution to this, there is, it just requires some sweat and lots of perseverance. The damage is so extensive now that we’re looking at years of work. No one cares enough to bother.

273 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:43:46am

I only neutrally lined to an extremist/hate group because one of their isolated talking points supports my cause.

274 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:48:02am

re: #273 Sol Berdinowitz

Yep. This is the same shit leading to all the love for Putin right now too. The enemy of my enemy(in this case the enemy is Obama and anyone perceived as liberal)is my friend.

Fucking idiots.

BBL, dog walk and chores await.

275 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:53:31am

Dudebros fapping to the tune of Putie Poot. Glenn Greenwald is RT’ing every one.

276 Dire Straits  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:57:48am

Once a KGB thug, always a KGB thug.

277 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:06:39am

I know I overuse this Sen. John McCain quote, but in this case it is irresistibly apt:

President Bush said that he looked into Mr. Putin’s eyes “and saw his soul”. Well, I looked into his eyes and I saw three letters: A ‘K’, a ‘G’, and a ‘B’.

Unlike some other fads, Putin worship is not a fad John McCain will even pay lip service to. Men like Putin tortured him and his fellow prisoners during the Vietnam War and he does not forget it. of course, Sen. mcCain also wants military action taken against Assad, so supporting the President and opposing Putin is an easy choice for him.

278 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:08:36am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

Those willing to laud Putin hate Obama so much they are now willing to spit on Ronald Reagan’s grave just to get their hate fix. The degeneration of a junkie is just pathetic to watch.

I truly think at least half the country lacks impulse control and suffers from some kind of mental distress, increased by not being able to think rationally. Many people simply feel expendable, unimportant in any capacity, and lay the blame for their feelings wrongly by lashing out at whoever they think is “inferior”. They feel they must be individualistic, competitive, and exclusive, at the expense of real community, cooperation, and friendship—except for their own “kind”.

It’s not just one class, or age, of people, but cuts across all lines and is expressed in many forms. Many people lack coping skills and just throw in the towel, allowing their biases to rule in order to be accepted somehow, even if it means cutting off their conscience when they know what they think or say is harmful to others. This is the great appeal of the right wing, fundie/prosperity type churches, talk radio, online forums, blogs, and confirmation-bias politicians who know how to play this game.

One of the books that informed my thinking many years ago was Philip Slater’s “The Pursuit of Loneliness”, and his “Toilet Assumption”. It remains as true today as when I read it 40 yrs ago. amazon.com

279 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:11:33am

re: #278 Justanotherhuman

People need non-internet based hobbies or clubs to be part of. Learning to deal with others without being forced to do so is an important skill, IMO.

280 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:17:11am

re: #278 Justanotherhuman

Seems true enough, but with caveats: It’s not the country—it’s what we used to call ‘The Human Condition”. Also, when you say ‘half the country”, remember that the half is not stable through time—people pop in and out of their ‘half’ fluidly.

It gets better. Slowly.

281 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:18:28am

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

People need non-internet based hobbies or clubs to be part of. Learning to deal with others without being forced to do so is an important skill, IMO.

Yes, if they forget, they can always try raising a toddler. : )

We’re not really being “socialized” when all our free time is consumed by the internet, gaming, phones and other outlets whose “anonymity” and detachment allows the worst to come out in people, allowing them to say things they would never say in person. I call it “digital courage”, sort of like “liquid courage”.

282 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:19:34am

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

People need non-internet based hobbies or clubs to be part of. Learning to deal with others without being forced to do so is an important skill, IMO.

My favorite non-Internet activity is baking. It’s relaxing, it is useful, and everybody benefits from it.

283 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:20:46am

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

People need non-internet based hobbies or clubs to be part of. Learning to deal with others without being forced to do so is an important skill, IMO.

Which is why I also work as an English teacher and tour guide, although I am sure I could dget by on just translation and proofreading full-time: I need something to get me out and interacting.

284 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:24:48am

re: #282 Vicious Babushka

My favorite non-Internet activity is baking. It’s relaxing, it is useful, and everybody benefits from it.

And you’re darn good at it.

285 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:26:44am

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

And you’re darn good at it.

You’re just saying that because you want me to send you a pie.

286 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:27:54am

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

re: #285 Vicious Babushka

You’re just saying that because you want me to send you a pie.

I’ll do it for you

upload.wikimedia.org

287 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:28:07am

DERP
I’d like to see Bryan live on a Walmart employee’s pay.

288 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:33:05am

re: #283 Sol Berdinowitz

Which is why I also work as an English teacher and tour guide, although I am sure I could dget by on just translation and proofreading full-time: I need something to get me out and interacting.

What kind of proofreading do you do? (Popular press vs academic?)

289 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:35:03am

re: #288 Decatur Deb

What kind of proofreading do you do? (Popular press vs academic?)

blogs!

he takes my posts and corrects them before I hit POST IT

290 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:35:07am

Good morning everyone did I miss anything overnight?

Did Greenwald praise any Ayatollahs or have a fawning tweet about Mugabe?

291 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:35:18am

re: #285 Vicious Babushka

You’re just saying that because you want me to send you a pie.

Actually, you’re on to something. I think the first, and most important instinct, is to feed people—from the time they are infants and throughout their lives. Women, especially, throughout time, have denied themselves food in order to feed their children, and taught them how to procure food. A society which learns only selfishness and greed, though, isn’t fit to live in.

No one survives without nourishment—it’s the basis of all other caring activities.

292 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:36:01am

re: #287 Vicious Babushka

DERP
I’d like to see Bryan live on a Walmart employee’s pay.

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If he’d seen some of the places where poor people have to live, he’d not be able to say shit like that with a straight face.

/spits

293 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:37:47am

re: #289 sattv4u2

blogs!

he takes my posts and corrects them before I hit POST IT

Oh I see, he does piss-poor proofreading.

294 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:41:13am

re: #291 Justanotherhuman

Actually, you’re on to something. I think the first, and most important instinct, is to feed people—from the time they are infants and throughout their lives. Women, especially, throughout time, have denied themselves food in order to feed their children, and taught them how to procure food. A society which learns only selfishness and greed, though, isn’t fit to live in.

No one survives without nourishment—it’s the basis of all other caring activities.

You are reading way too much into it. I bake for enjoyment, not necessity. I am probably even spending more money baking my own bread using top-of-the-line ingredients instead of just buying a mass produced loaf at the supermarket.

Yeah, you have to eat to live, but there is something very enjoyable and pleasurable about preparing excellent food, arranging it, and serving it that makes it taste even better.

I never eat fast food. NEVER. I try to even avoid buying products that contain HFCS, like bottled salad dressing.

295 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:42:20am

re: #293 Decatur Deb

Oh I see, he doe’s piss-poor proofreading.

I don’t think they’re in season right now

296 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:42:47am
297 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:45:18am

Here’s a good, positive story to start off the day, one both sane conservatives and sane liberals can like.

Meet Miss Kansas: the tattooed Army sergeant with a wicked recipe for stewed squirrels and a mission to empower women

She is an expert marksman, hunts with a bow and arrow and can skin a deer, but now Sergeant Theresa Vail has a new mission.

On Tuesday she became the second servicewoman to compete in the Miss America pageant, in a move the 22-year-old says she hopes will empower women.

As well as being the second Army recruit to take part in the Miss America contest, Sergeant Vail also broke down barriers by having her tattoos on show during the bikini round.

The competition’s preliminary rounds are currently taking in place in Atlantic City, where Sergeant Vail is strutting her stuff against 52 other competitors.

She told People her desire to empower women by encouraging them to be themselves was behind her reason for baring her tattoos - the insignia for the Army Dental Corps on her left shoulder, and the Serenity Prayer running down her right side.

‘My whole platform is empowering women to overcome stereotypes and break barriers,’ the 22-year-old, who wants to become an Army dentist, said.

‘How can I tell other women to be fearless and true to themselves if I can’t do the same? I am who I am, tattoos and all.’

Photos:

Image: article-2417171-1BBF7E40000005DC-311_634x578.jpg

Image: miss-america-tattoo.jpg

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More photos here.

298 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:45:39am

re: #295 sattv4u2

Fixed. My proofreader caught it.

299 Pygmalion  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:48:09am

I am so glad Obama is around to contain this man. The rest of the world can see what principle really means.

300 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:53:34am
301 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 5:58:56am

re: #275 Vicious Babushka

Dudebros fapping to the tune of Putie Poot. Glenn Greenwald is RT’ing every one.

It’s amazing how many people are willing to get on their knees for an ex-KGB thug and autocrat if it means sticking it to Obama.

What. The. Fuck.

302 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:00:46am

re: #299 Pygmalion

I am so glad Obama is around to contain this man. The rest of the world can see what principle really means.

Putin or Glenn?

303 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:04:32am
304 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:05:34am
305 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:06:26am

re: #273 Sol Berdinowitz

I only neutrally linked to an extremist/hate group because one of their isolated talking points supports my cause.

And only neutrally linked even though I bumped into 140 twitter character limit to avoid using the name of this group, which would have raised all kinds of red flags.

He consciously chose how to phrase his tweets on the Oathkeeper support for his pet cause because he knows that if he had used the name, it would have raised more questions into what his intent is.

It’s cute to watch his dudebros try to claim that Greenwald’s winning with this claptrap or that the Oath Keepers aren’t a militia (ignoring the bit about them being a bunch of right wing extremists who are engaging in militia tactics and are organizing to fulfill their “oaths”.

306 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:09:31am

re: #300 Vicious Babushka

Ask him his opinion on the bear cub that was being raised by a guy but state gaming and wildlife officials took the bear away. /

307 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:10:06am

re: #305 lawhawk

And only neutrally linked even though I bumped into 140 twitter character limit to avoid using the name of this group, which would have raised all kinds of red flags.

He consciously chose how to phrase his tweets on the Oathkeeper support for his pet cause because he knows that if he had used the name, it would have raised more questions into what his intent is.

It’s cute to watch his dudebros try to claim that Greenwald’s winning with this claptrap or that the Oath Keepers aren’t a militia (ignoring the bit about them being a bunch of right wing extremists who are engaging in militia tactics and are organizing to fulfill their “oaths”.

Glenn and the Dudebros (doesn’t that sound like a name for a ‘50’s Do-Wop group?) are also cheering Vlad’s op-ed in the NYT and claiming that the only reason people don’t like it is because they are just prejudiced against Vlad (for some reason they just can’t figure out).

308 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:16:27am

BBT

309 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:16:36am

OFFS

310 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:17:38am
311 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:19:31am

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

OFFS

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Let them all fly their freak flags, in the end the US public isn’t really very stupid, just tangled up in a broken consensus.

312 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:20:28am
No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces,

This is what Glenn, the Dudebros and the young Pat Buchannans of the world are embracing when they embrace Putin.

Siding with Putin really is a defining, watershed moment that will be attached to people for the rest of their lives.

313 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:20:44am

Watching the dudebros and professional victims fellate Putin, I’m suddenly finding myself listening to this album a lot:

Youtube Video

314 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:21:16am

re: #312 b.d.

This is what Glenn, the Dudebros and the young Pat Buchannans of the world are embracing when they embrace Putin.

Siding with Putin really is a defining, watershed moment that will be attached to people for the rest of their lives.

It’s also mainstream posture on Freep.

315 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:22:49am

re: #28 EPR-radar

Russia is doubling down on the implausible notion that the rebels were responsible for the recent CW attack. That could blow up in their face at the UN if compelling evidence otherwise is made available.

Nah. The wingnuts in Russia hate the UN as much as the wingnuts here. The UN could claim the sky is blue and they’ll froth for days declaring it is really orange and stating otherwise is a plot to undermine the sovereignty of the nation.

Being crazy is fun.

316 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:25:20am

Cue POTUS keeping the military on standby anyway:

317 DelusionDeluge  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:25:53am

There are lots of reasons to like President Obama, and sure, some reasons not to, but by far the best thing about him is that he pisses off all the right people.

318 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:28:03am

re: #316 Lidane

Cue POTUS keeping the military on standby anyway:

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And what, pray tell, did the Russians offer?

319 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:28:54am

re: #318 darthstar

And what, pray tell, did the Russians offer?

A refund and/or exchange on all the weapons they’ve been selling Syria.

Turns out Putin offers a comparable returns policy to Amazon. =P

320 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:29:36am

re: #38 b.d.

Do you think Putin would open up a million or two acres in the vast nothingness of Siberia for ex-pat Americans to build their libertarian utopia?

I believe that’s how the Cossacks got started.

Although it was more that they took the land they lived on rather than have it given to them by Russia.

The Russians took it back eventually though.

321 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:29:49am

My surprise, etc. —

322 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:30:33am

re: #316 Lidane

Cue POTUS keeping the military on standby anyway:

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Fine, let Assad claim that leprechauns told him to get rid of them. A good leader doesn’t care who gets the credit as long as the goal is achieved.

323 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:31:21am

re: #319 Lidane

A refund and/or exchange on all the weapons they’ve been selling Syria.

Turns out Putin offers a comparable returns policy to Amazon. =P

Only if they’re in the original packaging. There will be screamin’ deals on unused Sarin if you don’t mind the slightly torn corner of the box having to be taped shut because someone didn’t slide the tab out before lifting.

324 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:32:11am

re: #312 b.d.

Siding with Putin really is a defining, watershed moment that will be attached to people for the rest of their lives.

Supporting the invasion of Iraq hasn’t degraded anyone’s value in the establishment; I don’t see why this will be any different.

325 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:32:46am
326 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:34:21am

re: #325 Lidane

Translation: There’s a ‘n word’ in the White House!!!111!!ty

327 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:37:00am

re: #322 b.d.

Fine, let Assad claim that leprechauns told him to get rid of them. A good leader doesn’t care who gets the credit as long as the goal is achieved.

Oh my fucking god. We’ve entered a new war…one our kid’s kid’s grandkids will be facepalming about in their history classes. World War I - child’s play. World War II - a walk in the park. Korea, Viet Nam, Gulf Wars 1 through n+1…easy peasy. But this war. THE TWITTER TROLL WAR, how we let ourselves get sucked into it…that will be the story that keeps them up at night staring at their smart phones under the covers of their beds.

328 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:38:37am

ABL is on fire this morning:

329 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:40:12am

re: #324 Internet Tough Guy

Supporting the invasion of Iraq hasn’t degraded anyone’s value in the establishment; I don’t see why this will be any different.

Diagaree. Supporting the Iraq invasion certainly postponed HRC’s ascension to the Oval Office. That yoke is eternally attached around a lot of folk’s necks, Greenwald included.

330 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:41:06am

We’ve truly achieved Derpnado (or more likely a full-fledged Derpicane) with Obama as the calm spot in the eye of the storm.

331 Stoatly  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:42:13am

re: #208 jaunte

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Sadly it croaked….

sorry

332 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:43:13am

re: #330 Feline Fearless Leader

We’ve truly achieved Derpnado (or more likely a full-fledged Derpicane) with Obama as the calm spot in the eye of the storm.

No drama Obama. He ever claimed that he wouldn’t cause drama

333 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:43:43am

2 Million motorcycle postmortem

CBS News: ‘thousands’

washington.cbslocal.com

Gannett news station: “10,000, route changed to ‘circumnavigate’ DC.”

digtriad.com

CBS/Fox channel: “Roughly a million motorcycles participated in the event.”

cbs2iowa.com

334 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:43:43am
335 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:44:06am

Morning all!
New day, fresh crazy…
Time to see whats up with Comrade Greenwald and the Dudebroskies.
(P.S. Grandma is ok!)

336 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:44:38am

re: #333 Decatur Deb

2 Million motorcycle postmortem

CBS News: ‘thousands’

washington.cbslocal.com

Gannett news station: “10,000, route changed to ‘circumnavigate’ DC.”

digtriad.com

CBS/Fox channel: “Roughly a million motorcycles participated in the event.”

cbs2iowa.com

BUT THEIR WERE ONLY 21 PEOPLE AT TEH ‘MILLION MUSLIMS’ MARCH!!!11!!!!! WEE WIN!!!!111!!!!!!!

337 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:44:58am

re: #335 OhNoZombies!

Morning all!
New day, fresh crazy…
Time to see whats up with Comrade Greenwald and the Dudebroskies.
(P.S. Grandma is ok!)

Good for Grandma. Greenwald is not OK.

338 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:45:07am

OT:

Have any of you lizards been forwarded the “Barbara Walter hates Jane Fonda” email? It seems to have made the rounds on Facebook and the usual suspects (RWNJ blogs). From my perusal of Snopes, it seems the gist of the story (Fonda visited a POW camp, and handed messages given her by American POWs to the North Vietnames) has been circulating since 1999.

Anyway, I sent a reply after I received this tripe to all the people on the forwarding list.

Sorry, all. I’m a former reporter who wishes people would get their facts straight and tell the real truth. Most of this article is just plain wrong. I knew it even before I checked for accuracy. Please read this report at snopes.com. snopes.com

The short version. Barbara Walters did not say this. Fonda visited only one POW camp in No. Vietnam, and no one slipped her any messages. Former POWs have even come forward to defend her against these allegations. The part about someone spitting tobacco juice on her is true, though.

You may be angry at Jane Fonda for her actions and remarks during the Vietnam War, but she was not a traitor and she did not turn over any messages from American POWs to the enemy. You can be as angry as you like, just be angry over things that really happened and not fake stories that circulate around the Internet.

That is all.

The same friend who sent me this has earlier emailed anti-immigration drivel, which I shut off in a stern but polite reply. A nice lady, but devoid of much common sense.

339 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:45:22am
340 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:45:30am
341 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:46:15am

re: #337 Decatur Deb

Good for Grandma. Greenwald is not OK.

No, no he’s not.

342 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:46:22am

Good morning Lizards!

Hazy and a bit warm in Philly today. Thunderstorms later today probably along with some cooling off.

Realized that I have to do something about the cat-on-counter issues. She was up there this morning and decided to knock cans of cat food onto the floor. She knocked one down - and that attracted the other cat over to investigate. And the second can nearly clocked him in the head. (I can imagine taking a concussed cat to the vet and explaining that one.)

Time to do a better job securing loose items, and perhaps also a sticky tape minefield to make her not want to jump up there any more.

343 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:47:13am

re: #336 Vicious Babushka

BUT THEIR WERE ONLY 21 PEOPLE AT TEH ‘MILLION MUSLIMS’ MARCH!!!11!!!!! WEE WIN!!!!111!!!!!!!

Note CBS DC area is 10,000—CBS/Fox ‘roughly a million’ is in Iowa. Crowds look bigger in Iowa.

344 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:47:46am

re: #336 Vicious Babushka

BUT THEIR WERE ONLY 21 PEOPLE AT TEH ‘MILLION MUSLIMS’ MARCH!!!11!!!!! WEE WIN!!!!111!!!!!!!

I still don’t understand how riding your motorcycle around town all day is honoring victims somehow?

345 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:48:47am
346 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:48:57am

re: #344 b.d.

I still don’t understand how riding your motorcycle around town all day is honoring victims somehow?

But all motorcyclists are rebels. Blame Marlon Brando for that.
;p

347 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:49:13am
348 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:50:52am

re: #344 b.d.

I still don’t understand how riding your motorcycle around town all day is honoring victims somehow?

Chees…Ya gotta carry a flag, and keep it out of your chain.

349 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:51:01am
350 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:51:31am

re: #346 Feline Fearless Leader

But all motorcyclists are rebels. Blame Marlon Brando for that.
;p

Brando rode a prissy English bike.

Image: 35918-triumph-bonneville-marlonbrando.jpg

351 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:52:47am
352 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:52:50am

re: #349 darthstar

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Greenwald is starting to sound a lot like Ron Paul when he was trying to defend what was in his newsletter.

353 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:55:02am

re: #352 b.d.

Greenwald is starting to sound a lot like Ron Paul when he was trying to defend what was in his newsletter.

Looking forward to Greenwald defending one of his articles with “I DIDN’T WRITE THAT!” Actually, that’s why he sometimes tweets in Portugese - allows him to dispute the translation.

354 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:55:15am

re: #352 b.d.

Greenwald is starting to sound a lot like Ron Paul when he was trying to defend what was in his newsletter.

GG: Hey, I was just showing how the support for Snowden was all across the political spectrum, but it doesn’t mean that I support these guys agenda, so I only tried to portray them in the most positive way that I could.

everyone else: yeah, right……

355 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:56:00am
356 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:58:06am

re: #355 darthstar

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LOL!

This is totally awesome and exactly what we need in America:

That doesn’t mean I endorse it!!

357 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:02:09am

re: #354 piratedan

GG: Hey, I was just showing how the support for Snowden was all across the political spectrum, but it doesn’t mean that I support these guys agenda, so I only tried to portray them in the most positive way that I could.

everyone else: yeah, right……

Not to mention that you know GG would throw a shit fit if he thought someone he didn’t like or agree with was trying to steal Snowden references. Those references belong to the GG alone…

358 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:03:46am

Dudebros, professional victims and wingnuts in a nutshell:

359 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:05:48am

So I see last evening was all about Putin and Greenwald. Has either one of them announced their new Fox News shows yet? Or maybe they could share a show. Something like: The American Scene: From the beaches of Brazil to the Snowy landscape of Siberia.

I’m getting an itch to create a photoshop or two based on a couple comments in this thread. Time to get creative.

360 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:07:21am
361 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:09:12am
362 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:10:36am
363 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:15:06am

re: #362 NJDhockeyfan

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blind squirrel meet nut…. now if only John can take that common sense and beat the ODS out of the remainder of his party perhaps we can start having conversations again

364 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:18:05am
365 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:19:05am
366 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:21:07am

re: #365 Gus

No Kathy, there’s a point, namely his record of abuse on civil rights of LGBT’s and the fact that he’s still dealing arms to America’s enemies for a couple, I’m sure we could find more if you give us a few

367 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:21:22am
368 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:22:05am

re: #364 darthstar

And the mustache beard combo.

369 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:23:04am


5 million visitors a year. That’s a huge number that exceeds the numbers visiting all but a handful of national parks and NPS units. It exceeds the number of visitors to the Grand Canyon, Yosemite, Yellowstone, Zion, etc.

npca.org

And I stand by my call for the site to be transferred to NPS control and winding down the memorial foundation, which claims it needs $60m to operate annually, and which has been looking at imposing user fees to access the site and museum. But Congress wont do anything on this front.

Heck, they can’t even be bothered to fund the State Department’s $2.2 billion plan to improve security at its diplomatic facilities, so they wont do anything with this either.

370 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:23:58am

Borowitz recovers from last week’s crappy shot at humor.

371 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:24:03am
372 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:24:55am

re: #368 prairiefire

And the mustache beard combo.

That’s his Mangina.

373 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:30:04am
374 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:31:02am

re: #371 Gus

Oh my god. These people are insufferable. WTF.

I guess any criticism of Putin is bad, no matter how justified it might be. We might hurt the professional left’s delicate sensibilities.

375 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:31:32am
376 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:32:07am
377 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:33:57am

re: #375 NJDhockeyfan

He’s a coward. If he feels so strongly about burning the Qur’an, then go overseas and do it.

378 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:36:19am

re: #375 NJDhockeyfan

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Just heard on MSNBC that Jones is facing felony charges.

379 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:36:26am

re: #369 lawhawk

5 million visitors a year. That’s a huge number that exceeds the numbers visiting all but a handful of national parks and NPS units. It exceeds the number of visitors to the Grand Canyon, Yosemite, Yellowstone, Zion, etc.

npca.org

And I stand by my call for the site to be transferred to NPS control and winding down the memorial foundation, which claims it needs $60m to operate annually, and which has been looking at imposing user fees to access the site and museum. But Congress wont do anything on this front.

Heck, they can’t even be bothered to fund the State Department’s $2.2 billion plan to improve security at its diplomatic facilities, so they wont do anything with this either.

But that’s only five days of Freedom Motorcyclists. And they didn’t need additional security!

380 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:36:31am

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

Um. Ok. I’m going to be gentle. She’s 22. I’m 53. There’s no empowerment in beauty pageants. I’m sorry, the only empowerment is the pretty girls get money for scholarships. It is not a healthy environment to spend much time in, I know, I have a family member who was involved in that world from age 5 til age 20.( Honey Boo Boo is in pageants, just sayin’.) She’s young and cute, has goals and ambitions(and tattoos!) and a military career. Those parts are positive and good for her. But, if she had all those things, minus the Miss America stuff, would this be news? No. If she was a little less pretty and working just as hard with the same goals and dreams she’d be just like every other woman pursuing a career in the military. She’s not special I guess is what I’m saying. No more so than any other woman in uniform.

I consider myself pretty empowered and I don’t get my picture taken with dead things that I killed with a gun or bow(and I’ve used both, worked with bow hunters in a job I had an outdoor outfitter in Gainesville, FL). Again, she’s 22, and while she has admirable goals, she’s not any more worthy of attention than any other young woman doing the same thing without a tiara.

381 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:36:57am

re: #377 Lidane

He’s a coward. If he feels so strongly about burning the Qur’an, then go overseas and do it.

Heh. I’d suggest he try pulling that stunt in Medina, or perhaps Karachi. Hell, I doubt it’d be well-received in Amman or Istanbul either.

382 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:38:23am

re: #374 Lidane

Oh my god. These people are insufferable. WTF.

I guess any criticism of Putin is bad, no matter how justified it might be. We might hurt the professional left’s delicate sensibilities.

Cohen is well known in both Russian and American circles. He is a close personal friend of former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, advised former President George H.W. Bush in the late 1980s, helped Nikolai Bukharin’s widow, Anna Larina, rehabilitate her name during the Soviet era, and met Joseph Stalin’s daughter, Svetlana.

383 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:39:17am
384 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:40:25am
385 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:40:39am

Leon Panetta to Vladimir Putin: Spare us the lecture

…”First and foremost, I think we have to understand President Putin should be the last person to lecture the United States about our human values and our human rights and what we stand for,” Panetta said. “We know what we’re fighting for in the world. and I think his effort to try to, you know, do this by a column in The New York Times is just not going to work. We know who the Russians are.”

386 Good Morning  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:42:06am

Ha Ha if it works Putin, Lavrov or Russia could a nobel peace prize for keeping nobel peace prize recipient Obama from bombing Syria.

Putin will also be the official defender of the Syrian Church, which should play well in Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia and Serbia and even based on Rand Paul’s talking points Kentucky.

And like it or not his offering asylum to Snowden will get him a substantial fan base all over the world.

387 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:45:32am

LEAVE VLADIMIR ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNE

388 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:46:40am
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow
389 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:49:46am

HehHehheh…Lizards:

390 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:50:04am
391 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:51:48am

There must be something innately wrong with that family name:

392 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:52:15am

OT to the subject of Czar Vladimir I, but whooping cough cases are up in Texas.

mywesttexas.com

Thanks, antivaxxers. //

*facepalm*

393 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:53:26am

re: #371 Gus

Far Right and Far Left join in Putin-love fest. Nothing the Far Right does really surprises me. But this new circle of derp coalition of the derped is making my teeth ache.

394 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:55:36am

Forget leapin’ lizards or frickin’ sharks with frickin’ autocrats on their backs.

We’ve got fricasseed frogs flummoxed by flames of rocket launches.

395 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:56:10am

re: #391 Dr. Matt

There must be something innately wrong with that family name:

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That ought to rank right up there with child endangerment.

What a horrible person; get some therapy for chrissakes.

396 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:57:05am

I’m too lazy to search, but I would love to read what the Putin fanboys were saying about him while Russia was ravaging Georgia in 2008.

397 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 7:57:07am

re: #394 lawhawk

Forget leapin’ lizards or frickin’ sharks with frickin’ autocrats on their backs.

We’ve got fricasseed frogs flummoxed by flames of rocket launches.

Image: ku-xlarge.png

398 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:01:25am

re: #381 Dr Lizardo

Heh. I’d suggest he try pulling that stunt in Medina, or perhaps Karachi. Hell, I doubt it’d be well-received in Amman or Istanbul either.

It would be against the law in Tel Aviv.

399 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:02:09am

Neil Young visits tar sands country while Keystone XL topic is still hot

Image: neil+young+tar+sands.jpg

400 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:04:02am
401 erik_t  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:04:46am

So I just want to make sure I’m clear on this.

1) POTUS shakes a big stick at Syria
2) while doing the one thing I never thought we’d see a President do
3) by walking precedent back toward Congressional approval for military action
4) and in shaking his stick got Syria’s client patron state to jump
5) and take some responsibility in collecting Syria’s chemical weapons
6) thereby resolving our perceived obligation to uphold the CWC
7) without a single bullet or bomb

Can someone point to me which of these things is the very big bad dictatorial power, or possibly the shameful weakening of the United States, or hell I dunno, ZOMG AMERICAN XCEPTIONALISM, or whatever the wingbro sheep are bleating this fine September morning?

(PIMF’d)

402 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:07:00am

The Russian president strategically emphasizes the role of Islamic extremists in the Syrian conflict. Yes, many rebel groups have committed abuses and atrocities. Yet Putin fails to mention that it is the Syrian government that is responsible for shooting peaceful protesters (before the conflict even started) and detaining and torturing their leaders - many of whom remain detained - and that the continued failure of the international community to respond to atrocities in Syria allows crimes on all sides to continue unaddressed.

Putin’s plea to use the United Nations Security Council to resolve the conflict sounds great, until you remember that, from the very start of this conflict, Russia has vetoed or blocked any Security Council action that may bring relief to Syria’s civilians or bring perpetrators of abuses in Syria to account.

hrw.org

403 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:08:41am

Wingnuts are lovin’ them some Vladcakes.

404 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:08:48am

re: #401 erik_t

So I just want to make sure I’m clear on this.

1) POTUS shakes a big stick at Syria
2) while doing the one thing I never thought we’d see a President do
3) by walking precedent back toward Congressional approval for military action
4) and in shaking his stick got Syria’s client state to jump
5) and take some responsibility in collecting Syria’s chemical weapons
6) thereby resolving our perceived obligation to uphold the CWC
7) without a single bullet or bomb

Can someone point to me which of these things is the very big bad dictatorial power, or possibly the shameful weakening of the United States, or hell I dunno, ZOMG AMERICAN XCEPTIONALISM, or whatever the wingbro sheep are bleating this fine September morning?

It just shows how weak he is as a President by having to resort to threats in order to get his way and even weaker because he’s allowing a diplomatic solution and yet still weaker by being skeptical that said proxy will do what it’s client state says and Benghazi.

405 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:09:56am

Hey Vlad, if we’re nothing special how come you can’t quit talking about us?

//

406 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:10:33am
407 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:13:21am

re: #372 darthstar

That’s his Mangina.

I’m going to unding ya but that is nasty! I’m sure it’s to cover up his “weak chin”.

408 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:13:57am

So what’s next on the plate on our foreign policy agenda? Iran dismantling their enrichment program while calling Obama a p*ssy?

Oh the horror!

409 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:15:58am
410 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:16:05am

Morning all!

So Putin pwned Kerry? Is that right?

and how are you?

411 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:18:27am

re: #408 b.d.

No, they’re going to save that until after the congressional election so that we can have the impeachment trial.

Because denuclearizing a country we have been in a de facto cold war with is high treason.

412 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:18:41am

re: #409 darthstar

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and all this time they said that peeing off the boat wouldn’t hurt anybody!

413 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:19:25am

re: #407 prairiefire

I’m going to unding ya but that is nasty! I’m sure it’s to cover up his “weak chin”.

Probably true (and yes, it is a bad term). About a decade ago, everyone I knew was growing those beards, and at a company meeting, I stood in a circle of 8-10 guys and I had the only clean-shaven face. The one woman in the group asked me why I didn’t grow a beard. I said, “Oh, I’m not that insecure.” followed by a “just kidding, guys…it looks great on you.” It was pretty awkward.

414 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:19:26am

re: #410 FemNaziBitch

Morning all!

So Putin pwned Kerry? Is that right?

and how are you?

Super duper pwned. Stud muffin Putin stole his idea and is now a Palin-like rockstar among the window-licking crowd.

415 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:20:04am

re: #411 Internet Tough Guy

No, they’re going to save that until after the congressional election so that we can have the impeachment trial.

Because denuclearizing a country we have been in a de facto cold war with is high treason.

as long as we have a blah man presdentin’, any action or inaction that he does/doesn’t take is an impeachable offense.

416 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:20:29am

re: #409 darthstar

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That will not stand. Where is that 4%?

417 erik_t  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:21:27am

re: #413 darthstar

Probably true (and yes, it is a bad term). About a decade ago, everyone I knew was growing those beards, and at a company meeting, I stood in a circle of 8-10 guys and I had the only clean-shaven face. The one woman in the group asked me why I didn’t grow a beard. I said, “Oh, I’m not that insecure.” followed by a “just kidding, guys…it looks great on you.” It was pretty awkward.

Up here in the frozen north, they’re a scarf you don’t have to keep track of.

Me gusta.

418 blueraven  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:21:32am

re: #365 Gus

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Why is she pushing that article…It was written a year and a half ago. Has nothing to do with here and now.

419 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:24:12am

hmmmmmm

It’s written in rather provactive manner, and it does provoke.

420 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:24:15am

re: #414 Dr. Matt

Super duper pwned. Stud muffin Putin stole his idea and is now a Palin-like rockstar among the window-licking crowd.

+1 for window-licking.

421 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:24:34am

re: #414 Dr. Matt

Super duper pwned. Stud muffin Putin stole his idea and is now a Palin-like rockstar among the window-licking crowd.

Kerry is like Frank Burns to me.

422 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:24:53am

re: #400 Gus

And what kills me is that the people who need to know this stuff will either ignore it, or not read it at all.
Pretentious pricks praising Putin. Smh

423 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:26:19am
424 Mike Lamb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:26:40am

re: #401 erik_t

I don’t get it either.
I also really don’t get the “ignore that Putin wrote this op ed” and look at the message. Sorry, but that’s impossible. The only thing noteworthy about the op ed is that Putin had the chutzpah to write it!

425 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:28:32am

When a Russian President pushes it they call it PR, when an blah American President pushes it they call it propoganda.

I need a drink. Vodka.

426 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:28:36am
427 Stoatly  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:30:11am

re: #372 darthstar

That’s his Mangina.

Youtube Video

428 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:32:08am
429 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:33:11am
430 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:34:17am
431 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:36:13am

Damage report from CO?

432 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:37:54am

re: #431 ProTARDISLiberal

Damage report from CO?

3 dead.

433 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:38:19am
434 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:38:45am

re: #419 FemNaziBitch

hmmmmmm

It’s written in rather provactive manner, and it does provoke.

I don’t know, I think the article is stacked against the government. I’m getting anti-government “CATO’ vibes after reviewing the sources.

435 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:38:53am
436 Jayleia  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:39:01am

re: #430 Gus

And apparently now the PR firm is going to need a PR firm to explain why the first PR firm created this…whatever it was.

437 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:39:01am

re: #433 Gus

Chose a good time to get away then.

438 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:39:03am

Hey you mean Juice, stop persecuting poor little Stephen Walt!

439 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:40:52am

What is this I don’t even…

440 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:41:11am

From Wiki:

Over the past decade the Russian authorities have been repeatedly urged, by Western governments and international media bodies, to do more to investigate the deaths of journalists there. The Paris-based Reporters Without Borders constantly criticized Russia for what it described as a failure to investigate these murders[30][31][32][32][33][34] .[35] The organization further claimed that many of the dead journalists had been critical of the Russian President, Vladimir Putin. Between March 2000 and July 2007, said Reporters Without Borders, 21 journalists were murdered in Russia because of their work.

For anyone on the left falling for Vlad the Impounder’s sales pitch: you really need to have somebody slap the sense back into you.

441 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:42:37am
442 Jayleia  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:44:11am

re: #439 Lidane

I have a tool to help you understand it…

*picks up wrench and clobbers Lidane*

When you wake up it’ll make perfect sense.

443 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:46:32am

Assad going on Russian TV.

444 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:47:20am

re: #108 Charles Johnson

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Good, one more thing off our plate. Let’s just sit and watch to see how well they do with it. Let them enjoy the backlash when it doesn’t go perfectly in the eyes of the world.

445 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:48:16am

re: #442 Jayleia

I have a tool to help you understand it…

*picks up wrench and clobbers Lidane*

When you wake up it’ll make perfect sense.

Tool abuse!

Oh yeah, and Lidane abuse also, too.

446 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:48:25am

Says the man that picked Palin as his running mate.

447 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:48:36am

Here is a fun image based on a comment I read above about Putin and Zimmerman running for President.
Putin Zimmerman in 2016

448 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:48:38am

I honestly do not know if this is parody or for real. I thought it had to be parody but it seems people are taking it seriously. I just can’t even.

449 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:49:13am

re: #413 darthstar

pwned.

450 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:50:06am
451 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:50:43am
452 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:51:09am

re: #446 Dr. Matt

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Says the man that picked Palin as his running mate.

And if he thinks it insulted her intelligence….

453 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:51:15am

It’s a Brave New World.

It seems that there are those not comfortable with Russia taking a stab at what is thought to be an American or Western Role of Policing the world. —is this correct?

I see it as a learning curve.

454 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:51:17am

re: #450 Justanotherhuman

LOL as if. The most effective part of all this is that the US military is still right there at the ready.

455 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:51:24am
456 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:53:37am

re: #455 Vicious Babushka

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yeah, because publishing PR from the leadership of other nations pays so well… nice set of ethics for sale there NYT!

457 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:55:49am

Fuck putin and GG they belong together.

458 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:56:38am

re: #455 Vicious Babushka

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Seems like only yesterday that Glenn Greenwald was all over The New York Times for being nothing but a bunch of stenographers.

Ahhhh memories.

459 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:57:01am

re: #439 Lidane

What is this I don’t even…

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Judge Andrew Napolitano—

(Note to self: Settle anything out of court.)

460 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:59:21am
461 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:02:15am

Wow, they are having it rough. Stay safe, folks.

462 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:03:08am
463 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:03:14am
464 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:04:11am
465 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:04:21am

re: #453 FemNaziBitch

It’s a Brave New World.

It seems that there are those not comfortable with Russia taking a stab at what is thought to be an American or Western Role of Policing the world. —is this correct?

I see it as a learning curve.

I don’t trust ‘em.

466 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:04:22am

CO flood warnings.

alerts.weather.gov

Flash Flood Watch
Issued: September 12 at 9:58AM MDT
Expiring: September 13 at 6:00AM MDT Urgency: Expected
Status: Actual
Areas affected:Boulder And Jefferson Counties Below 6000 Feet, West Broomfield County; Elbert, Central and East Douglas Counties Above 6000 Feet; Jefferson and West Douglas Counties Above 6000 Feet, Gilpin, Clear Creek, Northeast Park Counties Below 9000 Feet; Larimer County Below 6000 Feet, Northwest Weld County; Larimer and Boulder Counties Between 6000 and 9000 Feet; North Douglas County Below 6000 Feet, Denver, West Adams and Arapahoe Counties, East Broomfield County

467 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:06:17am
468 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:06:20am
469 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:06:38am
470 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:08:20am

Yes, because “A coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials” contains so many fewer characters than “Oathkeepers”

Wait, what?

471 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:08:25am

re: #469 Vicious Babushka

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472 gwangung  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:10:39am

re: #471 darthstar

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How about some basic research skills? It looks for all the world he glommed onto it without checking one thing about them.

473 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:10:51am

re: #469 Vicious Babushka

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Right.

wrenchwench 9/11/2013 1:17:15 pm PDT


When you only have 140 characters to work with, why would he use ‘A coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials’ instead of ‘the Oathkeepers’?

I suspect it was not because he thought people would not recognize the name. More likely he thought people would recognize the name.

474 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:11:32am

re: #472 gwangung

How about some basic research skills? It looks for all the world he glommed onto it without checking one thing about them.

He knows what they are. He thought he could get away with it.

475 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:11:42am

re: #472 gwangung

How about some basic research skills? It looks for all the world he glommed onto it without checking one thing about them.

That would be the charitable explanation.

476 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:12:05am

re: #465 wrenchwench

I don’t trust ‘em.

Well, I think the feeling is mutual. Still, it will show the rest-of-the-world what they are made of.

477 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:12:18am

re: #469 Vicious Babushka

His original twitter text:

“A coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials place huge pro-Snowden ad in Metro”

No mention of Oath Keepers anywhere in that (“oath keeper” character count is less than “coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials”

Coalition is neutral speak for a extremist right wing group. Fewer characters too.

But …

“Oath Keepers, a group of right wing extremists place huge pro-Snowden ad in Metro” takes up fewer characters than what he posted. More accurate too. Didn’t do that for obvious reasons. He didn’t want to bring attention to the fact that he’s trotting out right wing extremists to support his cherished positions.

478 Political Atheist  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:12:55am

We have talked about the GOP turning Libertarianism mainstream-Here is a big poll-Paged

479 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:13:30am
480 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:14:52am

re: #478 Political Atheist

We have talked about the GOP turning Libertarianism mainstream-Here is a big poll-Paged

Liberatarians used to be Pro-Choice.

Somehow, I think that has changed.

481 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:17:33am
482 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:17:57am

OT, but goddamnit.

Greensboro woman who sought protective order killed

abclocal.go.com

GREENSBORO, N.C. — Authorities say a woman who was denied a restraining order against her estranged husband has died nine days after he shot her.

Police said 62-year-old Laurrissa Armstrong died Saturday at a Greensboro hospital. She was shot several times in front of her apartment on Aug. 29 as she got ready to go to her job as a teacher in High Point.

Investigators say Armstrong’s 61-year-old husband, Bruce, shot her. He was found dead in his car about three hours later. Authorities have not determined how he died.

Court documents show the couple separated in June. Laurrissa Armstrong asked a judge in July for a restraining order, saying her tires were slashed and she was getting unwanted visits from her husband. A judge ruled she did not have enough evidence.

483 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:18:27am


Ron on a raptor…

484 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:19:09am

re: #470 Vicious Babushka

Yes, because “A coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials” contains so many fewer characters than “Oathkeepers”

Wait, what?

[wingnutmoonbat]Stop demonizing patriotic Murican Oathkeepers!!![/wingnutmoonbat]

485 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:19:13am

re: #480 FemNaziBitch

Liberatarians used to be Pro-Choice.

Somehow, I think that has changed.

Desire for power = need for money
The far right pays better than the far left.
Therefore…

486 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:20:21am

Jimmy Carter Seeks to Write Book on Treatment of Women

“I am convinced that discrimination against women and girls is one of the world’s most serious, all-pervasive and largely ignored violations of basic human rights,” Mr. Carter, 88, wrote in the proposal, adding: “It is disturbing to realize that women are treated most equally in some countries that are atheistic or where governments are strictly separated from religion.”

487 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:20:28am

re: #469 Vicious Babushka

Oh, Reason is the most credible punditnews source anywhere. I guess he’s got us there.

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488 erik_t  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:20:33am

I have to assume Greenbeck has done the blablabla135charactertweet (1/2) blablabla135charactertweet (2/2) thing before, right?

489 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:21:20am

re: #482 Justanotherhuman

Cases like that should require little or no proof. What does the husband lose if he’s restrained without enough evidence, vs what did the wife lose? One slashed tire should have been more than enough, even w/o proof of who slashed it.

490 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:21:43am

re: #481 wrenchwench

He knows damned well that he posted that link and used the Oath Keeper’s support of Snowden because it supports his position. He doesn’t care that they’re a bunch of extremists. They support his position. That’s all that matters to him. And pointing out that they’re a bunch of extremists will get the dudebros on your case.

491 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:22:24am

Glenn’s vagina is full of sand this morning.

492 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:23:15am

re: #490 lawhawk

He knows damned well that he posted that link and used the Oath Keeper’s support of Manning Snowden because it supports his position. He doesn’t care that they’re a bunch of extremists. They support his position. That’s all that matters to him. And pointing out that they’re a bunch of extremists will get the dudebros on your case.

Great comment.

493 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:23:25am
494 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:23:43am
495 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:23:55am

Greenwald really did step in it this time and is catching alot of flack.

It amazes me how Glenn can’t admit, ever, that he made a mistake.

496 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:24:08am

Tell me again who Glenn has control over?

497 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:24:13am
498 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:24:30am

re: #489 wrenchwench

Cases like that should require little or no proof. What does the husband lose if he’s restrained without enough evidence, vs what did the wife lose? One slashed tire should have been more than enough, even w/o proof of who slashed it.

ummm, I think it depends on the county or state. Taking away, even temporarily, the rights for a man to live in his home is a big deal. Sadly, not enough judges are educated about Domestic Abuse.

499 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:24:54am

re: #496 Vicious Babushka

Tell me again who Glenn has control over?

A couple of months ago I would’ve said Snowden, but Putin is Eddie’s warden now.

500 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:25:09am
501 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:25:10am

re: #494 Vicious Babushka

I have no idea what he’s saying here. But the Oathkeepers gang sucks.

502 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:25:31am

Greenwald is so full of crap.
It’s almost unbelievable.

503 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:25:54am

re: #486 FemNaziBitch

Jimmy Carter Seeks to Write Book on Treatment of Women

“I am convinced that discrimination against women and girls is one of the world’s most serious, all-pervasive and largely ignored violations of basic human rights,” Mr. Carter, 88, wrote in the proposal, adding: “It is disturbing to realize that women are treated most equally in some countries that are atheistic or where governments are strictly separated from religion.”

Go get ‘em Jimmy. I hope those quotes make the rounds to a lot of churches and their leaders. Though, they would probably ignore it anyway and then just get back to business. Business being a key word.

504 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:26:12am

re: #502 OhNoZombies!

Greenwald is so full of crap.
It’s almost unbelievable.

No, it’s not really.

505 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:26:26am

re: #498 FemNaziBitch

ummm, I think it depends on the county or state. Taking away, even temporarily, the rights for a man to live in his home is a big deal. Sadly, not enough judges are educated about Domestic Abuse.

Wasn’t his home. It was at her apartment she was killed. They were estranged.

506 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:26:56am

re: #504 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

No, it’s not really.

That’s why I said almost.

507 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:27:24am

re: #500 Vicious Babushka

We were always looking for Peak Wingnut. That was a mistake. We failed to properly consider the confusion that would result from the Great Far Left Far Right Circle of Derp convergence.

508 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:27:30am

re: #492 wrenchwench

Thanks. And fixed.

509 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:27:59am

An apology here by Glenn would go a really long way to quiet his critics more than anything else he could he ever do, shame Glenn can’t see this and is incapable of admitting that he was wrong.

510 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:28:01am

re: #508 lawhawk

Manning, Snowden, great heroes both, really makes no difference.

//////

511 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:28:41am

bbl

512 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:28:54am

re: #498 FemNaziBitch

ummm, I think it depends on the county or state. Taking away, even temporarily, the rights for a man to live in his home is a big deal. Sadly, not enough judges are educated about Domestic Abuse.

It appears she may have been living in her own apt.

Women just aren’t taken at their word—anywhere, obviously.

That judge should be censured; it appears he obviously didn’t think she had the right to be secure anywhere.

513 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:29:00am

re: #510 Bulworth

Manning, Snowden, great heroes both, really makes no difference.

//////

[Dudebro]HOW CAN U BE SO INSENSITIVE!!!! A GREAT HERO & A GREAT HEROINE!!!!11!!!![/Dudebro]

514 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:29:37am

re: #512 Justanotherhuman

It appears she may have been living in her own apt.

Women just aren’t taken at their word—anywhere, obviously.

That judge should be censured; it appears he obviously didn’t think she had the right to be secure anywhere.

Not at the expense of total freedom for a man.

515 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:30:47am

re: #509 b.d.

An apology here by Glenn would go a really long way to quiet his critics more than anything else he could he ever do, shame Glenn can’t see this and is incapable of admitting that he was wrong.

Glenn Greenwald is like Conservatism, in that it (GG/Conservatism) never fails, it can only be failed.

516 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:31:11am

re: #512 Justanotherhuman

It appears she may have been living in her own apt.

Women just aren’t taken at their word—anywhere, obviously.

That judge should be censured; it appears he obviously didn’t think she had the right to be secure anywhere.

I know what the standard wingnut response will be: WHY DIDN’T SHE HAVE A GUN?? IF SHE HAD A GUN SHE COULD OF SHOT HIM FIRST!!11!!!

Then she’d just be in jail for murder instead of dead.

517 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:31:29am

re: #462 Gus

C-17 Globemaster in photos. @Boeing to deliver final cargo jet to @usairforce t.co by @wjhenn pic.twitter.com/5PfBkhcgXR

— LA Times Photography (@latimesphotos) September 12, 2013

Beautiful photo from the 2 million biker DC ride! GO BENGHAZIEWWW!!!!

518 Jayleia  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:32:11am

re: #509 b.d.

No. A simple apology isn’t worth crap, the only way I’d even consider an apology from him as being acceptable is if he simultaneously abandons his crusade, abandons the moonbats and the wingnuts and rejoins the Reality Based Community [tm]

519 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:32:43am

The Iraq War is Obama’s Katrina.

//

520 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:34:31am

Whoa—look at the Twitter handle of someone who agrees with Glenn.

521 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:34:58am

re: #512 Justanotherhuman

It appears she may have been living in her own apt.

Women just aren’t taken at their word—anywhere, obviously.

That judge should be censured; it appears he obviously didn’t think she had the right to be secure anywhere.

Censured? I would like to see him arrested and charged with abetting domestic violence.

With some of the stupid crap judges have been doing lately maybe it is time to make them a bit more accountable for their rulings.

522 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:35:55am

re: #518 Jayleia

No. A simple apology isn’t worth crap, the only way I’d even consider an apology from him as being acceptable is if he simultaneously abandons his crusade, abandons the moonbats and the wingnuts and rejoins the Reality Based Community [tm]

If that ever happens, a Brazilian psychiatrist gets a Nobel.

523 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:37:42am

re: #520 Vicious Babushka

Stop demonizing Putin Oathkeepers racists!!!1!11

524 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:38:05am

More flooding…and the Denver Zoo is closed.

525 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:38:40am

re: #520 Vicious Babushka

Whoa—look at the Twitter handle of someone who agrees with Glenn.

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He’ll gladly take their support, too.

No bro too low.

526 erik_t  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:39:09am

re: #509 b.d.

An apology here by Glenn would go a really long way to quiet his critics more than anything else he could he ever do, shame Glenn can’t see this and is incapable of admitting that he was wrong.

Exactly. It would almost be beneficial to him to fuck up and then admit it; this would somewhat defuse (or at least diffuse) criticism that he seems to think he can never, ever be wrong about his other “reporting”.

Very easy to point to this and then say “Ooh look he’s totally legit and on the up-and-up, when he screwed up that one time he admitted it (and therefore he didn’t screw up those other times)”.

In conclusion, let me put on my Red Foreman hat: DUMBASS.

527 Jayleia  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:40:06am

re: #522 Decatur Deb

Pfft, if that happens, hell will host the Stanley Cup finals.

528 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:40:36am
529 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:42:45am

re: #528 Vicious Babushka

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you totally should do it Piers, send it to her in braille….

530 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:42:56am

Someone remind the RWNJs currently infatuated with Putin that they’re currently aligned with Iran, ISIS and Hezbollah in Syria.

531 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:43:08am

re: #528 Vicious Babushka

It worked for Daredevil. /saw it in a comic movie once

532 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:43:48am

re: #528 Vicious Babushka

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Blind pilots have never crashed a plane either.

533 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:44:20am

re: #530 Gus

Someone remind the RWNJs currently infatuated with Putin that they’re currently aligned with Iran, ISIS and Hezbollah in Syria.

Pfffff… Details, details.

WE HAVE CHAOS TO SOW, SON

534 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:45:39am

re: #530 Gus

Someone remind the RWNJs currently infatuated with Putin that they’re currently aligned with Iran, ISIS and Hezbollah in Syria.

Pfft. Details. Remember who is currently in the Oval Office.

///

535 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:46:23am

Sweden: Assange Asks the Police to Investigate Missing Suitcase

The police opened an investigation on Tuesday after Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, urged them to find out what happened to a suitcase he thinks was stolen from him by intelligence agents as he traveled from Sweden to Germany in 2010. The suitcase contained three laptops with WikiLeaks materials, according to an affidavit that Mr. Assange’s lawyer filed with the police at Stockholm’s Arlanda Airport.

536 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:46:43am
537 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:47:04am

re: #521 ObserverArt

Censured? I would like to see him arrested and charged with abetting domestic violence.

With some of the stupid crap judges have been doing lately maybe it is time to make them a bit more accountable for their rulings.

This is NC. He won’t be removed, arrested or charged w/anything.

538 Mike Lamb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:48:46am

re: #535 wrenchwench

Sweden: Assange Asks the Police to Investigate Missing Suitcase

Well that’s f*cking rich…

539 Jayleia  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:50:02am

re: #538 Mike Lamb

Pro tip: Start at pawn shops, they’re secret fronts for intel agencies…

540 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:50:39am
541 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:52:08am

re: #535 wrenchwench

Sweden: Assange Asks the Police to Investigate Missing Suitcase

Like the scene in The Big Lebowski where The Dude reports the stolen briefcase full of money, and he says “it contains critically important business papers!” and they ask him “what is your profession sir?” and he says “I’m unemployed…”

543 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:56:18am

Listening to Ann Coulter pretend to be not a racist is almost as grating as when Rush Limbaugh does it.

544 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:57:06am

re: #536 Vicious Babushka

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Haha, they’re on a roll…

Instapundit Glenn Reynolds Will Now Dumbsplain Why Barack Obama Is Like A Black Neville Chamberlain

wonkette.com

545 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:59:01am
546 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 9:59:42am

re: #545 Kragar

547 erik_t  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:01:00am

re: #545 Kragar

The average woman has never had an abortion. Declare victory in war on women’s rights, go home.

548 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:01:11am

re: #535 wrenchwench

Sweden: Assange Asks the Police to Investigate Missing Suitcase

Julian Dude! Bro! I guess you are too arrogant to understand that if you steal secrets from governments, the governments are going to be stealing from you. I guess you really aren’t so cunning and smart after all. But, many already knew that.

549 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:01:21am

Imagine going out to that.

550 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:07:25am

Yes, we know that Obama is an executive-power extremist in his actions, that there are many steps to rein in executive power that he could take but hasn’t taken … and that he worries repeatedly about an excess of executive power in his rhetoric. What we don’t know is the reason for this disconnect. After all, this ain’t like Gitmo. If he really wanted to do more to shrink executive power, he could do a lot unilaterally, and no one could stop him. Is he trying to fool us? Or is he fooling himself, because he likes to think of himself as more prudent and moderate man than he is? Can he not bear the truth that he’s a Cheneyite extremist*? My best guess is that he’s trying to fool us. But it’s hard to know for sure.

__

*It would be fascinating to look at the many issues on which Bush-Cheney and Obama take the same position, and compare how many times each was referred to in the media as “out of the mainstream,” a phrase that faded fast circa January 2009.
— Conor Friedersdorf

551 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:10:43am

re: #550 Gus

Yes, we know that Obama is an executive-power extremist in his actions, that there are many steps to rein in executive power that he could take but hasn’t taken … and that he worries repeatedly about an excess of executive power in his rhetoric. What we don’t know is the reason for this disconnect. After all, this ain’t like Gitmo. If he really wanted to do more to shrink executive power, he could do a lot unilaterally, and no one could stop him. Is he trying to fool us? Or is he fooling himself, because he likes to think of himself as more prudent and moderate man than he is? Can he not bear the truth that he’s a Cheneyite extremist*? My best guess is that he’s trying to fool us. But it’s hard to know for sure.

__

*It would be fascinating to look at the many issues on which Bush-Cheney and Obama take the same position, and compare how many times each was referred to in the media as “out of the mainstream,” a phrase that faded fast circa January 2009.
— Conor Friedersdorf

yeah, except that he’s actually the President, and he’s dealing with a Congress these last four years that oppose everything and I do mean everything so that nothing gets done unless it’s by executive order which is wholly unlike Dick Cheney’s machiavellian attempts to run the government through the office of the vice president. Conor needs to take 9th grade civics again, because he’s totally fucking failed on this take.

552 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:11:05am

How Animals Eat Their Food

Youtube Video

553 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:14:41am

Glennbot on dead thread.

554 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:18:40am

Does this “Patriot” know that “Our Constitution” provides for elections every four years, where executives can be “hired” or “fired”?

555 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:18:56am

OUTRAGE!

556 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:24:16am

Church claims film got R rating because of Christian Message

The MPAA slapped an R rating on “My Son,” a small-budget film made by the congregation of Retta Baptist Church in Burleson, Tex.

“They told us it was because of violence and drug use portrayed in the film,” Pastor Chuck Kitchens told Fox News. “I was very shocked. It makes me sick at my stomach.”

The pastor said the church’s film does not include foul language, sex scenes or nudity. He did confirm there was violence surrounding a hostage standoff in the church as well as some drug usage.

But Kitchens said the violence was neither gory nor gratuitous. By comparison he pointed out the MPAA gave “World War Z” and “BULLY” PG-13 ratings. And “Jobs,” which included scenes featuring LSD and marijuana usage got a PG-13 rating.

“When you look at the facts and see there are other movies that have been rated PG-13 that have more violence and more drug scenes, you have to say there’s inconsistency there,” he said.

Kitchens told Fox News he believes the R-rating has more to do with the movie’s faith-based message than the violence.

“A group of people out there don’t necessarily like strong evangelical Christianity,” he said. “People don’t like to hear that it’s this one way (to heaven) and nothing else. But if you are a Christian, that’s the message. That’s what Jesus said. That’s what you have to proclaim. People call us bigoted and then they go on the attack.”

An MPAA spokesperson told Fox News that typically they don’t comment on why a film received a specific rating. The MPAA said the same rules apply to all films.

Kitchens said the R-rating is a huge problem because many of his fellow pastors won’t encourage their church members to see an R-rated film.

Now I have my own opinions about the usefulness/uselessness of the MPAA and their ratings system, but I have to believe there was something aside from just having a Christian message that got the movie its R rating. Tons of Christian movies are released every year.

557 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:29:38am

re: #556 Eclectic Cyborg

Church claims film got R rating because of Christian Message

Now I have my own opinions about the usefulness/uselessness of the MPAA and their ratings system, but I have to believe there was something aside from just having a Christian message that got the movie its R rating. Tons of Christian movies are released every year.

Les Miserables had a very strong Christian message, but non-Christians enjoyed it just the same. Except for Russell Crowe’s singing, which sucked.

558 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:30:44am

Holy crap. Makes you wonder what the human and material cost of all that flooding is going to be afterward.

559 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:31:09am


In addition to the ‘space constraints’ bullshit, what he quoted is in quotes at Reason. It’s taken from the Oathkeepers’ website. It’s possible that the Reason article did not have that in quotes yesterday, but I’d still blame Greenwald for his use of dubious sources that he didn’t fact-check himself.

560 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:31:32am

I’m calling BS. We’ll see….24 hr rule in effect:

561 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:33:28am

re: #560 Dr. Matt

I’m calling BS. We’ll see….24 hr rule in effect:

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It’s a frog that tweets. Which only increases the skepticism, really.

562 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:33:35am

re: #560 Dr. Matt

It’s apparently real. Whether the frog survived or not is another story:

nbcnews.com

563 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:34:22am

re: #559 wrenchwench

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In addition to the ‘space constraints’ bullshit, what he quoted is in quotes at Reason. It’s taken from the Oathkeepers’ website. It’s possible that the Reason article did not have that in quotes yesterday, but I’d still blame Greenwald for his use of dubious sources that he didn’t fact-check himself.

Plagiarists don’t use quotes.

564 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:37:16am

re: #560 Dr. Matt

I’m calling BS. We’ll see….24 hr rule in effect:

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NASA confirmed it already.

565 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:38:13am

re: #559 wrenchwench

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In addition to the ‘space constraints’ bullshit, what he quoted is in quotes at Reason. It’s taken from the Oathkeepers’ website. It’s possible that the Reason article did not have that in quotes yesterday, but I’d still blame Greenwald for his use of dubious sources that he didn’t fact-check himself.

So because of space constraints, he said “a group of military and law enforcement” instead of “Oathkeepers”?

566 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:43:14am

re: #565 Kragar

So because of space constraints, he said “a group of military and law enforcement” instead of “Oathkeepers”?

Yep, uses the Oathkeepers’s self-description instead of their name. Because ‘Reason’. That’s a good reason, right?

567 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:43:30am

Here’s a little trucker limbo to brighten your day.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzkWTcDZFH0

568 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:45:10am

There’s an interview with the Mythbusters on NPR right now (at least here) and they were asked about testing glass as a liquid. And while they say they have no plans to do it on the show (because it’s not very television friendly), Adam clearly stated it was false.

I have to admit, I was holding my breath and ready to throw things and instead they reaffirm my love for them. :)

569 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:47:06am

AMERICA IZ DOOMED, literary edition:

570 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:47:24am

re: #568 klys

Pitch drop experiment caught on video … finally

Is pitch a liquid or a solid? It turns out that while it appears to be a solid at room temperature, it actually flows like a liquid … a very, very viscous liquid. Why is this interesting? One of the world’s longest running experiments, which began nearly 70 years ago at Trinity College Dublin, has now recorded the fall of a drop of pitch on video for the first time.

571 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:50:37am

re: #559 wrenchwench

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In addition to the ‘space constraints’ bullshit, what he quoted is in quotes at Reason. It’s taken from the Oathkeepers’ website. It’s possible that the Reason article did not have that in quotes yesterday, but I’d still blame Greenwald for his use of dubious sources that he didn’t fact-check himself.

GG has a twitter brain?

572 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:50:41am

re: #570 Kragar

They actually mentioned that in their answer. But glass is still not a liquid.

574 sagehen  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:52:29am

re: #558 Justanotherhuman

Holy crap. Makes you wonder what the human and material cost of all that flooding is going to be afterward.

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SEQUESTER!!

People in Colorado are just going to have to… uh… drive really slowly on the wrong side of the road while honking continually so as not to have head-on collisions?

575 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:52:29am

re: #562 Lidane

It’s apparently real. Whether the frog survived or not is another story:

nbcnews.com

Makes me think of Slim Pickens, riding the nuke down to oblivion -

“WHEEEEEEHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!”

576 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:53:01am

re: #572 klys

They actually mentioned that in their answer. But glass is still not a liquid.

does that make it a plasma then? i.e. like lava (per se)

577 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:53:14am

More BS from the Guardian, unrelated to Greenwald (afaik).


578 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:53:43am

re: #558 Justanotherhuman

Holy crap. Makes you wonder what the human and material cost of all that flooding is going to be afterward.

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SHEEE-ITT! That looks really bad.

579 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:54:34am

re: #572 klys

They actually mentioned that in their answer. But glass is still not a liquid.

“Okay. But dogs CAN look up!”

580 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:55:19am

re: #574 sagehen

SEQUESTER!!

People in Colorado are just going to have to… uh… drive really slowly on the wrong side of the road while honking continually so as not to have head-on collisions?

FREE MARKET!!11!!

LET THE FREE MARKET REBUILD THE ROADS, THEN CHARGE DRIVERS A TOLL TO USE THE ROAD!!11!!!! DON’T LIKE A $1000 TOLL? THEY CAN JUST DRIVE ON THE SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN OR BUILD THEIR OWN ROAD!!!1!!!!!

581 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:55:55am

re: #565 Kragar



In other words, he had to think of (or more likely cut and paste) the description of the group, rather than the group’s name itself - because that makes so much more sense than just using the group’s name:

Oath Keeper - 11 characters, 10 if you drop the space between the words.

His rationale is that he used more characters than necessary so he couldn’t include the name of the group. And that using the group’s advertising in support of Snowden is not support for that group.

Right. So why obfuscate who the group is and what they’re really about? Oh yeah, because it’s neutral linking. Yeah, that’s it. Neutral to avoid any mention of the name of the group that might identify that this is an extremist group.

582 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:57:42am

re: #576 piratedan

does that make it a plasma then? i.e. like lava (per se)

Lava is a liquid. Glass is a solid.

The standard evidence that people point to to say glass is a liquid is saying that the old windows in medieval buildings are thicker at the bottom and therefore the glass has flowed down over the centuries. Of course, this ignores that the techniques used to make glass during that time period resulted in glass that was thicker on one side than the other (they spun it to flatten it, and just like happens on the amusement rides, the forces push the glass away from the center and closer to the edges). Smart craftsmen then installed it thicker side down.

And yes, there were some dumb craftsmen out there, and you can find some examples where the thicker side is installed up.

583 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:58:34am

You people should listen to Putin more. He won the Super Bowl single handedly.

He’s even got the ring to prove it!

584 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:58:57am

Everything is a solid at the right temperature.

585 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 10:59:45am

re: #584 Kragar

Everything is a solid at the right temperature.

Absolute zero!

586 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:00:15am

re: #582 klys

Lava is a liquid. Glass is a solid.

The standard evidence that people point to to say glass is a liquid is saying that the old windows in medieval buildings are thicker at the bottom and therefore the glass has flowed down over the centuries someone told them that one time, or they saw it on the internet.

I think this is more accurate, in most cases.
//

587 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:01:12am

re: #586 GeneJockey

I wasn’t going there, I was thinking more along the lines when its being blown

588 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:02:21am
589 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:02:56am

re: #587 piratedan

Oh, when it’s being blown, it’s definitely a liquid. It’s also, although colloquially referred to as “glass” at that point, technically a “melt.”

This is one of those points where English language as used is just confusing.

590 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:03:47am

re: #588 Gus

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“BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FROG?”
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591 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:03:54am

re: #587 piratedan

I wasn’t going there, I was thinking more along the lines when its being blown

I didn’t mean you, I mean the average joe who tells you glass is really a liquid.

592 jaunte  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:04:33am

re: #583 Carlos Danger

You people should listen to Putin more. He won the Super Bowl single handedly.

He’s even got the ring to prove it!

It was nice of him to provide us with an intelligence test:

“Those chemical weapons were used by the rebels, so if you agree not to attack Assad, I’ll make him give up his chemical weapons. Who’s with me?”

593 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:05:00am

re: #590 Kragar

“BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FROG?”
///

PETA naked protestors painted green in 5..4..3..2..

594 jaunte  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:06:03am

re: #590 Kragar

The frog was raised in a free downrange environment.

595 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:06:41am

re: #589 klys

Oh, when it’s being blown, it’s definitely a liquid. It’s also, although colloquially referred to as “glass” at that point, technically a “melt.”

This is one of those points where English language as used is just confusing.

And yes, this is a rather technical point. But it’s also what my Ph.D. was all about, so.

596 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:06:43am

Ugh. So today is the day I find out about the “changes in our sales organization” that my company has come up with. And this is after I had a very successful meeting with a potential client yesterday.

Oy. I’m more nervous now than I was walking into a stranger’s office yesterday.

597 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:07:03am

re: #596 Lidane

{{Lidane}}

598 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:07:19am

Carney says Putin has “invested his credibility” in plan for Syrian surrender of CW’s. He says the world will see if Russia can deliver.

Me:
It’ll be easy. All Syria has to do is return to shipper. /but not really

599 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:07:42am

re: #593 Vicious Babushka

PETA naked protestors painted green in 5..4..3..2..

[PETAspeak]Fried Frogs are murder![/PETAspeak]

600 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:07:45am

re: #562 Lidane

It’s apparently real. Whether the frog survived or not is another story:

nbcnews.com

Oddly, the skydiving frog is not in the relaxed freefall ‘frog’ position. He’s doing a stable spread, used to attain control. If his chute opens before line stretch, he’ll be OK, might owe the club a case of beer if it’s his first freefall.

601 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:07:50am

re: #588 Gus

Voyager has reached interstellar space? Great, now we’ll never get it back. Nor will we know when it enters another solar system.

602 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:09:26am

re: #601 darthstar

Voyager has reached interstellar space? Great, now we’ll never get it back. Nor will we know when it enters another solar system.

I’m waiting on Putin’s take of this whole Voyager deal before I offer an opinion.

603 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:09:43am

re: #590 Kragar

It attained thrust insufficient for low earth orbit. However, it did achieve a jump in excess of the world record at Calaveras County. We are quite proud of that achievement. However, some may question whether performance enhancing boosters were involved, and on that point, we consider this an unofficial record. Feel free to add the asterisk. /

604 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:10:07am
605 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:11:38am

re: #590 Kragar

“BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FROG?”
///

Frog is pining for the swamplands.

606 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:12:25am

re: #605 Decatur Deb

Frog is pining for the swamplands.

The frog transformed to a liquid form for a little while.

607 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:12:48am

Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven

Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: “You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying - and this is the fundamental thing - that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

Well, this Pope is certainly interesting. I hope, at least, he can do something about the ultra-conservatism that flourished under Benedict.

608 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:12:59am

Georgia ‘mind-control’ public broadcasting exec hid ownership of Fox News radio affiliate

Atlanta Unfiltered learned this week that Georgia Works Chief Executive Chip Rogers took control of Cartersville station WYXC in January of 2012, before taking his $150,000-a-year job with Georgia Public Broadcasting (GPB).

In a February email provided to Atlanta Unfiltered, former station owner Chuck Shiflett warned Rogers that he had a responsibility to notify the FCC about the change in ownership. But the FCC records do not appear to have been updated since 2011.

GPB policies also require employees to receive written permission for outside employment, but it was not clear if ownership of a radio station would be considered outside employment.

And to make matters worse, the blog Peach Pundit pointed out that WXYC was a Fox News affiliate, which makes Rogers “a competitor to the GPB station in the area, so he actually is competing directly with his employer.”

609 sagehen  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:13:05am

re: #601 darthstar

Voyager has reached interstellar space? Great, now we’ll never get it back. Nor will we know when it enters another solar system.

Don’t be silly, of course Veeger will return. You’re old enough you must have seen that movie…

610 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:13:17am

re: #602 b.d.

I’m waiting on Putin’s take of this whole Voyager deal before I offer an opinion.

Or a Guardian article on how it’s spying on the stars for the NSA.

611 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:13:33am

re: #589 klys

Oh, when it’s being blown, it’s definitely a liquid. It’s also, although colloquially referred to as “glass” at that point, technically a “melt.”

This is one of those points where English language as used is just confusing.

I’ve observed that nature, especially in Biology, doesn’t really go in for categories with hard-and-fast delineations, and that most of this expectation comes from people. Take speciation, for example - there’s not sa single point in time in the divergence of two populations at which point you can say they were ONE species before, but they’re TWO species now.

Is the transition from liquid to solid by things like glass or lava, where it gets progressively less ‘liquidy’ similar? That there’s not so much a single point in time before which it’s definitely liquid, and after which it’s definitely solid, but rather a longer period in which it’s losing the characteristics of one and acquiring the characteristics of the other?

Just curious.

612 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:13:55am

re: #609 sagehen

Don’t be silly, of course Veeger will return. You’re old enough you must have seen that movie…

I did…in the theater on first release. And I was young enough to be impressed by the ending.

613 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:13:56am

Are frogs a solid or a liquid?
/

614 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:14:37am

re: #612 darthstar

I did…in the theater on first release. And I was young enough to be impressed by the ending.

What I recall from that movie:

“THAT CHICK IS BALD!”

615 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:14:48am

re: #613 Kragar

Are frogs a solid or a liquid?
/

Depends on how fast they hit the wall after being propelled by a rocket blast.

616 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:15:11am

re: #613 Kragar

Are frogs a solid or a liquid?
/

That one is transitioning to gas.

617 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:15:30am

re: #613 Kragar

Are frogs a solid or a liquid?
/

quick, consult the Bible, everything you need to know about frogs should be there as it’s the foundation that we use to conduct our daily lives //

618 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:15:44am

re: #607 Carlos Danger

Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven

Well, this Pope is certainly interesting. I hope, at least, he can do something about the ultra-conservatism that flourished under Benedict.

Oh, well THAT’S a relief!
///

619 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:15:54am

re: #607 Carlos Danger

I think I hear the pops of wingnut heads exploding.

620 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:16:54am

re: #608 Kragar

The name Chip Rogers seems like it should belong to a 50s TV star.

621 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:17:55am

re: #619 Eclectic Cyborg

Heh, I wonder what Hitchens would have said.

622 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:18:46am

re: #621 Carlos Danger

Heh, I wonder what Hitchens would have said.

Something witty, viciously sarcastic, and rather slurred in delivery.

623 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:25:42am

re: #611 GeneJockey

I’ve observed that nature, especially in Biology, doesn’t really go in for categories with hard-and-fast delineations, and that most of this expectation comes from people. Take speciation, for example - there’s not sa single point in time in the divergence of two populations at which point you can say they were ONE species before, but they’re TWO species now.

Is the transition from liquid to solid by things like glass or lava, where it gets progressively less ‘liquidy’ similar? That there’s not so much a single point in time before which it’s definitely liquid, and after which it’s definitely solid, but rather a longer period in which it’s losing the characteristics of one and acquiring the characteristics of the other?

Just curious.

Warning: science content.

Spoiler

The glass transition is typically defined as a range because of the way it is typically measured - there is a region where the behavior is neither that of the solid or of the liquid. The reason for that is because the measurement is typically done on a faster timescale than the melt can react at those temperatures, and so the structural changes taking place lag until it reaches the point where it catches up - where we then can clearly say it’s a liquid.

What throws a lot of people is that glass does not have a clear transition temperature; instead of water freezing to ice, which happens at 0 degrees Celsius at standard pressures and without additives, the temperature at which the melt transitions to a glass depends on the rate at which you cool it. It will continue to rearrange its structure to find the lowest energy arrangement - just like a liquid - until the re-arrangements take too long and the atoms no longer have the kinetic energy available to move (too large of a region would have to shift at once). At that point, it’s a solid. (Fun fact: this point can also depend on the measurement technique and time scale.) So the glass transition is a kinetic transition instead of a thermodynamic transition like freezing ice.

624 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:29:24am

re: #623 klys

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That’s kind of what I expected, but the explanation of the rearranging molecules eventually running out of the kinetic energy to further rearrange clarifies it nicely. THANKS!!

BTW, I know it’s supposed to read as “Science CONtent”, but I read it as “Science conTENT”, which is how new information like this makes me feel.

625 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:31:30am

re: #624 GeneJockey

The paper I just returned the proofs on was all about using different cooling rates to manipulate what temperature the structure was locked in at so that we could look at what effect temperature has on the structure with an eye towards extrapolating the information up towards temperatures of interest to geologists and materials scientists.

So I spent quite a while buried in this topic. :)

626 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:31:37am

re: #598 lawhawk

Carney says Putin has “invested his credibility” in plan for Syrian surrender of CW’s. He says the world will see if Russia can deliver.

Me:
It’ll be easy. All Syria has to do is return to shipper. /but not really

I’m sure they’re issuing the return authorization as I type this, and UPS will be round to pick it up in the morning.

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627 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:33:17am

re: #613 Kragar

Are frogs a solid or a liquid?
/

Pre- or post-blender?

628 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:36:19am

re: #625 klys

The paper I just returned the proofs on was all about using different cooling rates to manipulate what temperature the structure was locked in at so that we could look at what effect temperature has on the structure with an eye towards extrapolating the information up towards temperatures of interest to geologists and materials scientists.

So I spent quite a while buried in this topic. :)

I know very little about that sort of science, but isn’t manipulating the cooling rate key to manufacturing, for example, steel of various characteristics? I was watching something on the creation of Damascus steel - not laminated Damascus, but what’s also known as ‘Wootz’ steel, and IIRC it was all about not only the composition but the temperatures and cooling rate.

629 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:37:46am

re: #622 GeneJockey

lol.

Anyway, it seems like an attack on the fundamentalist dictum that you have to believe in God to be a moral person. Can’t wait for the freak outs.

630 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:38:58am

re: #629 Carlos Danger

lol.

Anyway, it seems like an attack on the fundamentalist dictum that you have to believe in God to be a moral person. Can’t wait for the freak outs.

I’ve known quite a few fundamentalist dictums in my time.

Oh, wait. That’s fundamentalist dickHEADS.

631 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:41:16am

re: #628 GeneJockey

I know very little about that sort of science, but isn’t manipulating the cooling rate key to manufacturing, for example, steel of various characteristics? I was watching something on the creation of Damascus steel - not laminated Damascus, but what’s also known as ‘Wootz’ steel, and IIRC it was all about not only the composition but the temperatures and cooling rate.

For sure. In steel it’s about strength and brittleness, as well as exposure to impurities.

In glass and melts, in addition to cooling rates, one of the key things they look at is viscosity - which is directly tied to structure. A lot of the glass used for things like LCD monitors and (possibly) smart phone screens needs to be extremely flat and therefore you want surfaces that have never touched anything on both sides. So they overflow a trough of molten glass (aka melt) and it oozes down the sides and comes together at a point on the bottom and then falls from there - giving two sides that are only exposed to air and sealing the parts exposed to the trough inside. Obviously how fast it flows is important.

Then you also have to be sure that you have something that won’t expand or contract significantly on heating (after you’ve printed all that nice circuitry on it) or relax unevenly and warp things.

There’s a ton of engineering that goes into these things, but a lot of the composition work still tends to be trial and error. (It took 10000 compositions to get the first LCD monitor glass!) A lot of it can be tied to the atomic level structure, though, so trying to discover trends there can have some payoff. At least, that was the theory.

632 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:41:21am

re: #629 Carlos Danger

lol.

Anyway, it seems like an attack on the fundamentalist dictum that you have to believe in God to be a moral person. Can’t wait for the freak outs.

The RC church of the middle ages allowed for that. There are images and discussion of St Plato, St Aristotle, St Moses. The pope isn’t making a revolutionary stretch.

633 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:42:06am

re: #611 GeneJockey

I’ve observed that nature, especially in Biology, doesn’t really go in for categories with hard-and-fast delineations, and that most of this expectation comes from people. Take speciation, for example - there’s not sa single point in time in the divergence of two populations at which point you can say they were ONE species before, but they’re TWO species now.

Is the transition from liquid to solid by things like glass or lava, where it gets progressively less ‘liquidy’ similar? That there’s not so much a single point in time before which it’s definitely liquid, and after which it’s definitely solid, but rather a longer period in which it’s losing the characteristics of one and acquiring the characteristics of the other?

Just curious.

The phase change in state can actually be quite rapid, especially in superheated or supercooled conditions. Saw a pot of cooking fudge crystallize from liquid in roughly a second. Had to be chipped out of the pot since it was not poured in time.

634 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:43:59am

Well, it’s official. I am out of a job. My company is bleeding money, so they’re going to close the office I’m in, meaning I am out of work.

I’m not surprised, really. They’ve been trying for ages to hire a second account manager here with no success. I’ve basically been trying to handle bringing in business from an entire time zone by myself, with no hands-on management support and no other staff since they’re all in California. There was a Project Manager here through May when she got laid off, then I was alone all summer, then I hired two interns that they couldn’t afford to keep past the other day. The next hammer to drop was going to be me being laid off and the office being closed.

Good thing I’d already started sending out job applications. My last day is next Tuesday. I’m getting paid through then and then a two-week severance package after that, plus whatever money has accumulated in my unused paid time off. I’m also getting COBRA benefits to keep my insurance a little while longer.

This sucks.

635 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:44:34am

re: #634 Lidane

{{Lidane}}

That sucks so much. I’m so sorry.

636 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:44:58am

re: #633 Feline Fearless Leader

The phase change in state can actually be quite rapid, especially in superheated or supercooled conditions. Saw a pot of cooking fudge crystallize from liquid in roughly a second. Had to be chipped out of the pot since it was not poured in time.

Our Inorganic Chem proff tried to show us the instantaneous crystalization of a supersaturated NaOAc solution, on an overhead projector. Problem is, the heat of the lamp warmed it up till it wasn’t supersaturated anymore!

637 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:47:45am

re: #634 Lidane

{{{Lidane}}}

638 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:47:53am

re: #634 Lidane

Well, it’s official. I am out of a job. My company is bleeding money, so they’re going to close the office I’m in, meaning I am out of work.

I’m not surprised, really. They’ve been trying for ages to hire a second account manager here with no success. I’ve basically been trying to handle bringing in business from an entire time zone by myself, with no hands-on management support and no other staff since they’re all in California. There was a Project Manager here through May when she got laid off, then I was alone all summer, then I hired two interns that they couldn’t afford to keep past the other day. The next hammer to drop was going to be me being laid off and the office being closed.

Good thing I’d already started sending out job applications. My last day is next Tuesday. I’m getting paid through then and then a two-week severance package after that, plus whatever money has accumulated in my unused paid time off. I’m also getting COBRA benefits to keep my insurance a little while longer.

This sucks.

Totally sucks. Have the impression that COBRA is quite expensive. Check your state to see if you fit into one of the Obamacare exchange levels (signups Oct 1, effective 1 Jan IIRC). Don’t know how it would play out for short-term unemployment.

639 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:48:21am

re: #634 Lidane

Aw, geez, that’s terrible! I’ve been on both sides of the desk for that conversation, and it’s awful, but worst on the receiving side. Good luck.

640 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:48:27am

Oh, and my boss is leaving the company too. There are also “other staffing changes” they’re going to make today.

641 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:48:35am

re: #625 klys

The paper I just returned the proofs on was all about using different cooling rates to manipulate what temperature the structure was locked in at so that we could look at what effect temperature has on the structure with an eye towards extrapolating the information up towards temperatures of interest to geologists and materials scientists.

So I spent quite a while buried in this topic. :)

Big thing in plastics and polymers as well (polyethylene, polypropylene, etc.) The rough meta-structure is the same (chains of C2 or C3 base molecules), but how you hang additional groups onto the chain and mix in other things has all sorts of effects on melt-flow temperatures, reactivity, flexibility, etc. Thus making certain “grades” good for something like rug fiber, while other grades are good for making clear deli containers, and so forth.

642 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:49:43am

re: #640 Lidane

Oh, and my boss is leaving the company too. There are also “other staffing changes” they’re going to make today.

That sucks. Good luck with finding a new and hopefully better job.

643 ContraryLemming  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:52:15am

re: #614 Kragar

What I recall from that movie:

“THAT CHICK IS BALD!”

Years & years ago, I did a “Where are they now?” piece on Persis Khambatta. A familiar tragic tale … big stardom hit, she was unprepared, got put thru the Hollywood wringer. At the time I talked to her, she was living on a cot in a friend’s garage in West Hollywood, and was so happy someone still cared about her enough to interview her that she cried in the restaurant where I was buying her lunch.

644 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:57:56am

re: #628 GeneJockey

I know very little about that sort of science, but isn’t manipulating the cooling rate key to manufacturing, for example, steel of various characteristics? I was watching something on the creation of Damascus steel - not laminated Damascus, but what’s also known as ‘Wootz’ steel, and IIRC it was all about not only the composition but the temperatures and cooling rate.

Cooling rate important for lots of things. I have a small piece of obsidian on my desk (courtesy of a volcano in the California Sierras.) Fast cooling of silicon-rich lava allows it to form as a glass instead of forming crystals. Slower cooling and you get more standard volcanic rocks; rhyolite for instance.

645 Pygmalion  Fri, Sep 13, 2013 5:29:32am

re: #302 Internet Tough Guy

Obama. He’s stood up for principle, that’s clear.


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