Glenn Greenwald’s Euphemism of the Day: He Promoted a Far Right Militia Because “Neutral Linking”

Backpedaling, with insults
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You may remember this post from yesterday, asking the question: Why Is Glenn Greenwald Promoting an Extreme Right Wing Militia?

Just to remind you, this is the advertisement from the crazed right wing militia Oathkeepers that Greenwald was promoting, via reason.com (and the article to which he linked, by the way, was a shameless whitewash of this radical right wing group):

Today, Mr. Greenwald is trying to dance away from hyping the Oathkeepers and their disgusting advertisement with this tweet:

That’s almost cute how he can’t bring himself to address me by name, even though he certainly knows where it came from. But he still manages to toss in a gratuitous insult, so there’s that.

As for “neutral linking,” all I can say is, “lolwut?!” Here’s his tweet:

He was promoting this ad because it was pro-Snowden. There was nothing neutral about it; he very obviously approved of it.

Oh wait — he also came up with another excuse:

Space constraints?

Right, because “a coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials” is much shorter than “Oathkeepers.”

UPDATE at 9/12/13 3:34:15 pm

A reader emails a current photo of one of the Oathkeepers’ ad displays in a subway:

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450 comments
1 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:43:37am

A sincere, heartfelt ‘lolwut,’ to be sure.

2 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:45:12am

Because typing “Oath Keepers” uses up more characters than “A coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials”.

3 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:45:14am

Neutral Linking has been an accepted internet tradition for many, many hours now.

4 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:51:02am

RT ≠ endorsement.

I get that part (and that’s from his own twitter handle description).

But when you specifically post something, max out your limited characters to describe an organization so as to avoid the actual name of that organization, and then say that you’re not endorsing its actions even as you’re endorsing its support for your own pet cause?

Sorry, but that’s one pretzel too far in the logic circuits.

OathKeepers. That’s the organization.

Fewer keystrokes, which means more room for exposition. Instead, he spends those precious characters on touting the fact these are former soldiers/LEOs. We just have to have blinders to what else they are.

OathKeepers. They’re a bunch of extremists.

But they’re a bunch of extremists who just happen to agree with his position on Snowden. So for Glenn that’s more than enough. Stop harshing on his dudebros.

The company you keep Glenn. It’s boggling.

5 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:51:30am

re: #3 b.d.

Neutral Linking has been an accepted internet tradition for many, many hours now.

Neutral linking, the next evolution of “Just asking questions”

“Hey guys, not sure how this got here, just dropping this link here with no real reason. Don’t ask me how it got here.”

6 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:51:31am
7 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:52:30am

You have to read Greenwald’s timeline for this morning, it’s hilarious.

8 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:52:52am
9 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:53:13am
10 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:53:16am

Filthy little weasel.

11 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:53:24am
12 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:53:59am
13 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:54:09am
14 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:54:16am

Report: Hamas gives landmines to Egyptian Islamists, trains them in planting car bombs

The Hamas Islamist group ruling Gaza has been teaching Egyptian Islamists how to plant bombs in cars, Egyptian state television said on Thursday.

Hamas also gave 400 landmines to Egyptian militant groups, said the television. Hamas is an offshoot of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood.

Hamas rejected the allegations on Thursday.

15 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:54:19am

re: #10 Amory Blaine

Filthy little weasel.

You insult all mustelids!
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16 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:54:36am

re: #5 Kragar

Neutral linking, the next evolution of “Just asking questions”

“Hey guys, not sure how this got here, just dropping this link here with no real reason. Don’t ask me how it got here.”

I just forwarded those racists emails, I didn’t say I endorsed them.

How’d that work out for those folks?

17 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:54:53am

To do ‘neutral linking’ properly requires Neuticles.

Image: 300_2532241.jpg

18 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:55:13am

Relentless ad hominem attacks are all this mental midget deserves.

19 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:55:30am

Look at this Glennbot’s Twitter handle.

20 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:56:17am
21 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:56:37am

re: #16 b.d.

I just forwarded those racists emails, I didn’t say I endorsed them.

How’d that work out for those folks?

There was a guy who did that on a forum I used to frequent. People would point out he was linking to Stormfront, 9/11 truthers, etc., and he’d always hide behind, “I’m not saying I AGREE with them. I’m just saying they may have a point!”

22 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:57:27am
23 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:57:28am

re: #19 Vicious Babushka

Look at this Glennbot’s Twitter handle.

Somehow, I don’t think that one showed up to the Socialism 2013 conference.

24 Weet  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:58:09am

Those floods in Colorado are bad.
I guess what they need is “More Gunz!.”
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But seriously, take a read of some of the fallout:
In Broomfield, U.S. Highway 287 collapsed when a culvert washed out.
At least one earthen dam gave way southeast of Estes Park, the gateway to Rocky Mountain National Park.
A lot of towns need assistance, and we cannot get through.
A 20-foot wall of water was reported in Left Hand Canyon north of Boulder.
A bridge washed out near Highway 287 and Dillon Road, sending at least three vehicles into the water.
About 2 feet of water was standing on U.S. Highway 36.
A National Guard helicopter requested to help pull people from their homes hasn’t been able to take off because of fog and low cloud cover throughout the area.
Mudslides and rockslides were reported in several areas.
3 people dead so far.
Colorado Flooding

25 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:58:20am
26 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 11:58:54am

re: #23 Carlos Danger

Somehow, I don’t think that one showed up to the Socialism 2013 conference.

Unless it’s one of Glenn’s sockpuppets.

27 Jack Burton  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:00:11pm

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

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Really? Really? This is like being bukkaked with derp.

Twitter has space restraints… Exactly… So that’s why Glenn avoided using the actual title of the group and in it’s place typed a long euphemistic sentence making them out to be something they aren’t.

28 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:00:47pm

re: #19 Vicious Babushka

Look at this Glennbot’s Twitter handle.

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No Dudebro too low.

29 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:01:51pm

So clever…

30 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:02:23pm
31 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:04:08pm
32 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:04:50pm

The KKK, a festive amalgamation of tradition and pointy haberdashery!

33 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:07:52pm

re: #31 darthstar

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Well, okay then.

34 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:08:29pm
35 Jack Burton  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:08:29pm

Neutral linking my ass.

I don’t link to anti-vaxxers when they say “Autism is bad mmmkay”.

I don’t link to anti-science anti-GMO kook luddites when they say “Cancer is bad mmmkay”.

I don’t link to creationists trying to get 4000 year old fairy tales in science classes when they say “Test scores are down”.

36 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:09:00pm

I’ll stick to duck duck goose.

37 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:09:15pm

re: #31 darthstar

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We are so going to hell.

38 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:09:25pm
39 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:10:08pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

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The words Greenwald used to describe the Oathkeepers came for the Oathkeepers’ website. He said he was quoting the article at Reason, but there the words Greenwald used were in quotation marks.

40 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:10:43pm

Thanks to that damn Obamacare, when my grandma goes home, a nurse will check up on her, at no extra cost, to make sure the hospital didn’t send her home too soon.

Damn gubment making sure old people are taken care of.

41 Jack Burton  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:11:40pm

re: #38 Vicious Babushka

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I’m trying to keep my twitter posts politics free, so please someone thank her for pointing out his ridiculously obvious bullshit.

42 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:12:05pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

The words Greenwald used to describe the Oathkeepers came for the Oathkeepers’ website. He said he was quoting the article at Reason, but there the words Greenwald used were in quotation marks.

This is how you respond when you’re the Emperor wearing your fine, new garb, and some kid says, “Hey, the Emperor’s not wearing anything!”

43 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:12:05pm

No quotes. Greenwald is a plagiarist.

44 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:12:54pm

re: #40 OhNoZombies!

Thanks to that damn Obamacare, when my grandma goes home, a nurse will check up on her, at no extra cost, to make sure the hospital didn’t send her home too soon.

Damn gubment making sure old people are taken care of.

Frigging people and their free stuff. Okay, obviously more seriously, this is a nice provision especially for seniors who live alone without family that live nearby. But let’s compare Obamacare to the Holocaust because we’re stupid I guess.

45 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:14:42pm

What is this… I can’t even…

46 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:15:18pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

What is this… I can’t even…

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I think they got the signs mixed up.

47 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:16:21pm

Here’s the difference: a bunch of healthy people buying groceries at Whole Foods, and a bunch of sick people picking up their meds from a pharmacy. What is so hard about that?
People who shop at Whole Foods will get sick and need meds, and sick people who take meds also need to eat.
I has a sad when people that I follow tweet this shit.

48 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:16:27pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

Looks like anti-vaxxer propaganda.

49 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:16:58pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

What is this… I can’t even…

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I’m really, really confused. All I know is that you leave both of those places broke.

50 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:17:26pm

Some supermarkets conveniently have a pharmacy, but Whole Foods doesn’t.

51 Jack Burton  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:17:33pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Frigging people and their free stuff. Okay, obviously more seriously, this is a nice provision especially for seniors who live alone without family that live nearby. But let’s compare Obamacare to the Holocaust because we’re stupid I guess.

Just wait until 0bama uses a false flag terror incident as an excuse to claim the presidency for “the duration of the emergency” which of course will be forever!!!111! The train cars to the FEMA camps will start running!!1!!

Excuse me. Didn’t some people say the same shit about GWB?

That was totally different. They were crazy moonbats!!!11!

52 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:17:42pm

But see it’s neutral because equal space has been given to both groups!!

53 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:18:09pm

LGF has been running really slow for me today. :(

54 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:18:25pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Frigging people and their free stuff. Okay, obviously more seriously, this is a nice provision especially for seniors who live alone without family that live nearby. But let’s compare Obamacare to the Holocaust because we’re stupid I guess.

What gets me about the whole “Death Panels” thing is this: The people who complain that certain ineffective treatments might not be covered under Obamacare don’t think ANY treatments should be covered. They don’t believe there should be ANY government healthcare AT ALL, so what are they bitching about?

As far as I’m concerned, you don’t get to complain that the program you think shouldn’t exist AT ALL doesn’t do ENOUGH.

55 Jack Burton  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:19:01pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

What is this… I can’t even…

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A variation of the “anti-science anti-GMO kook luddites” I mentioned a few posts back.

Their derp has also become tiresome.

56 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:19:07pm

What is the difference?
Obamacare will pay for meds, but EBT pays for groceries.

57 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:19:30pm

These health food stores are like every other business. They will tell you the bare minimum required by law and prey on fear.

58 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:20:26pm

re: #54 GeneJockey

What gets me about the whole “Death Panels” thing is this: The people who complain that certain ineffective treatments might not be covered under Obamacare don’t think ANY treatments should be covered. They don’t believe there should be ANY government healthcare AT ALL, so what are they bitching about?

As far as I’m concerned, you don’t get to complain that the program you think shouldn’t exist AT ALL doesn’t do ENOUGH.

I think that was the most annoying thing about the whole debate. You had one side offering some reform(arguably not enough IMO but I’m a pragmatist) and then you had another side offering the status quo. Whole thing was just madness.

59 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:20:34pm

re: #54 GeneJockey

What gets me about the whole “Death Panels” thing is this: The people who complain that certain ineffective treatments might not be covered under Obamacare don’t think ANY treatments should be covered. They don’t believe there should be ANY government healthcare AT ALL, so what are they bitching about?

As far as I’m concerned, you don’t get to complain that the program you think shouldn’t exist AT ALL doesn’t do ENOUGH.

Or put more simply, “The food is inedible! And the portions are too small!”

60 erik_t  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:21:06pm

re: #55 Jack Burton

A variation of the “anti-science anti-GMO kook luddites” I mentioned a few posts back.

Their derp has also become tiresome.

Been doing some Facebook pruning of that nature recently.
If people don’t want to think, far be it from me to think that I can make them.

61 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:21:10pm

neutral linking

that’s what i said but she just slapped me

62 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:21:12pm

I’ve actually gotten some good drinks from the health food store but I use conventional medicine as well.

63 Jack Burton  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:22:14pm

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

What is the difference?
Obamacare will pay for meds, but EBT pays for groceries.

The difference is that those kooks ignore what a huge money-making scam most “health food” and “alternative medicine” is, while ranting about Big Pharma and Monsanto/ConAgra being all about milking money out of the “sheeple”.

64 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:22:47pm

theonion.com
Oh man win.

65 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:22:49pm

re: #54 GeneJockey

What gets me about the whole “Death Panels” thing is this: The people who complain that certain ineffective treatments might not be covered under Obamacare don’t think ANY treatments should be covered. They don’t believe there should be ANY government healthcare AT ALL, so what are they bitching about?

As far as I’m concerned, you don’t get to complain that the program you think shouldn’t exist AT ALL doesn’t do ENOUGH.

They’ll complain until they or a loved one gets sick.
That’s the rule.

66 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:23:18pm

re: #65 OhNoZombies!

They’ll complain until they or a loved one gets sick.
That’s the rule.

And then they’re all for reform.

67 Ian G.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:23:31pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

I dunno, there was that one time I had mono, and the doctor prescribed Tylenol with Codeine to deal with the horrifically inflamed throat I had. I can tell you after taking one of those nice blue pills, I was walking out of the pharmacy with a “health food” smile on my face.

68 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:24:16pm

A lot of the ratings on food are self-policed industry jargon.

69 Weet  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:24:31pm

re: #50 Vicious Babushka

Some supermarkets conveniently have a pharmacy, but Whole Foods doesn’t.

I love Whole Foods. But it truly is ‘Whole Paycheck’ and ‘Wholier Than Thou Foods’.
/

70 Ian G.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:25:37pm

Also, why is it that propagandists like Greenwald can never find, you know, some democratic socialist politician in some liberal democracy like Sweden to quote for criticisms of US policy? Why is it always some vicious thug who imprisons critics and runs sham elections?

71 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:25:53pm

I haven’t minded the organic food items I’ve had over the years but I do find the whole “Oh I eat organic and you other fools who don’t are just tools” annoying. We can’t all afford organic crap on a daily basis. So yeah I don’t mind organic but don’t act like I’m somehow lesser than if I don’t always eat it.

72 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:26:30pm

re: #70 Ian G.

Also, why is it that propagandists like Greenwald can never find, you know, some democratic socialist politician in some liberal democracy like Sweden to quote for criticisms of US policy? Why is it always some vicious thug who imprisons critics and runs sham elections?

This is actually a really good point.

73 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:27:04pm

re: #69 Weet

I love Whole Foods. But it truly is ‘Whole Paycheck’ and ‘Wholier Than Thou Foods’.
/

I don’t shop there because they refuse to employ folks full time so they don’t have to pay them benefits…. I take my “targeted” shopping to Trader Joe’s instead.

74 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:27:18pm

re: #69 Weet

I love Whole Foods. But it truly is ‘Whole Paycheck’ and ‘Wholier Than Thou Foods’.
/

i consider it a high end gourmet mart disguised as a health food supermarket

75 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:27:49pm

re: #73 piratedan

This is the responsible way to consume. IMHO.

76 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:29:02pm

Just want to say all the updings I dispense are neutral updings.

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77 Ian G.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:29:28pm

re: #73 piratedan

I don’t shop there because they refuse to employ folks full time so they don’t have to pay them benefits…. I take my “targeted” shopping to Trader Joe’s instead.

I don’t shop there because, besides being ridiculously overpriced, the CEO is a Koch-level right-wing lunatic. I had the misfortune of hearing him speak at an industry convention shortly after the election, and it was pretty much a re-hash of Romney’s “47%” remark, and how businessmen are all persecuted by people jealous of them. I wanted to vomit.

78 Jack Burton  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:29:43pm

re: #70 Ian G.

Also, why is it that propagandists like Greenwald can never find, you know, some democratic socialist politician in some liberal democracy like Sweden to quote for criticisms of US policy? Why is it always some vicious thug who imprisons critics and runs sham elections?

Because the actual “bad” elements of US policy are well known and often debated. If you want to invent some bullshit to make the US look like it’s a dystopian police state, you can’t go to anyone intellectually honest for support.

79 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:30:53pm

GG is floating by on the River of No Return, doncha know, without an oar, much less 2.

Inertia sucks.

80 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:31:12pm

A healthy person, just jogging along, after downing their kale/wheatgrass, I don’t know what the fuck smoothie, not a care in the world…
Then BooM! A car. Guess who loses?
There’s your death panel.
In a former incarnation, I’ve cared for such people.

81 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:31:32pm

re: #69 Weet

Sprouts is way better and far cheaper. Whole foods is the ultimate snark. It was started by a wingnut in order to make money off of the smugness of some liberals who buy anything and everything labelled organic. Honestly it is perhaps the greatest snark of all time.

82 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:32:08pm

re: #76 Bulworth

Just want to say all the updings I dispense are neutral updings.

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And the downdings?

//are these neutral????

83 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:32:21pm

Behind the smiles in that propaganda is fear. Fear that they are being poisoned by the food supply.

84 Mattand  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:32:42pm

Neutral linking, huh?

Was neutral linking even a thing before today?

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:32:51pm

re: #68 Amory Blaine

A lot of the ratings on food are self-policed industry jargon.

My brother once looked up what the definitions were for a “free range” chicken. It was laughable.

nationalchickencouncil.org

I noted that even if the chickens have outdoor access to qualify as “free range” they probably wouldn’t go out there if the dogs were placed there to take care of the rebels.

86 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:33:44pm

re: #70 Ian G.

Also, why is it that propagandists like Greenwald can never find, you know, some democratic socialist politician in some liberal democracy like Sweden to quote for criticisms of US policy? Why is it always some vicious thug who imprisons critics and runs sham elections?

Because Assange is mad at Sweden over losing his suitcase there.
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87 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:35:24pm

re: #70 Ian G.

Also, why is it that propagandists like Greenwald can never find, you know, some democratic socialist politician in some liberal democracy like Sweden to quote for criticisms of US policy? Why is it always some vicious thug who imprisons critics and runs sham elections?

Probably because they never say quite the right things, whereas someone like Putin is happy to say exactly what GG wants.

88 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:36:02pm
89 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:36:12pm

re: #73 piratedan

I don’t shop there because they refuse to employ folks full time so they don’t have to pay them benefits…. I take my “targeted” shopping to Trader Joe’s instead.

My business goes to Trader Joe’s, Wegman’s, and some of the local produce places and the occasional visit to a farmer’s market or Reading Terminal Market.

90 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:38:06pm

Anyone remember Jim Fixx? He thought he was taking care of himself, too, but he hadn’t.

en.wikipedia.org

On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick. The autopsy revealed that atherosclerosis had blocked one coronary artery 95%, a second 85%, and a third 70%.[3] Still, medical opinion continued to uphold the link between exercise and longevity.[4] In 1986 exercise physiologist Kenneth Cooper published an inventory of the risk factors that might have contributed to Fixx’s death.[5] Granted access to his medical records and autopsy, and after interviewing his friends and family, Cooper concluded that Fixx was genetically predisposed (his father died of a heart attack at age 43 and Fixx himself had a congenitally enlarged heart), and had several lifestyle issues. Fixx was a heavy smoker prior to beginning running at age 36, he had a stressful occupation, he had undergone a second divorce, and his weight before he took up running had ballooned to 220 pounds (100 kg).[6]

91 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:39:18pm

unexceptionable

use it in a sentence

“while putin’s remarks were unexceptionable, his credibility as a moral spokesman is seriously in question because he is a fucking fascist”

92 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:41:28pm

My link to the National Chicken Council in an earlier comment was a neutral link. We do realize that the NCC website does not necessarily reflect the rights and interests of chickens in the US.

93 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:41:30pm

re: #90 Justanotherhuman

Anyone remember Jim Fixx? He thought he was taking care of himself, too, but he hadn’t.

en.wikipedia.org

On July 20, 1984, Fixx died at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack, after his daily run on Vermont Route 15 in Hardwick. The autopsy revealed that atherosclerosis had blocked one coronary artery 95%, a second 85%, and a third 70%.[3] Still, medical opinion continued to uphold the link between exercise and longevity.[4] In 1986 exercise physiologist Kenneth Cooper published an inventory of the risk factors that might have contributed to Fixx’s death.[5] Granted access to his medical records and autopsy, and after interviewing his friends and family, Cooper concluded that Fixx was genetically predisposed (his father died of a heart attack at age 43 and Fixx himself had a congenitally enlarged heart), and had several lifestyle issues. Fixx was a heavy smoker prior to beginning running at age 36, he had a stressful occupation, he had undergone a second divorce, and his weight before he took up running had ballooned to 220 pounds (100 kg).[6]

You can’t outrun heredity. OTOH, he lived 9 years longer than his Dad.

94 jaunte  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:42:45pm

Neutrally quoting a Reason whitewash.

95 Mike Lamb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:42:45pm

re: #89 Feline Fearless Leader

I typically shop at Sprouts, but most Whole Foods have a fantastic beer selection, as well as several of them having a nice beer bar in the food court. I can’t quit them.

96 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:42:59pm

re: #92 Feline Fearless Leader

My link to the National Chicken Council in an earlier comment was a neutral link. We do realize that the NCC website does not necessarily reflect the rights and interests of chickens in the US.

I try to make a point of linking to people/groups who agree with me on certain issues that I don’t agree with as a whole, because that’s just how I roll…. //

97 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:44:12pm

re: #96 piratedan

I try to make a point of linking to people/groups who agree with me on certain issues that I don’t agree with as a whole, because that’s just how I roll…. //

Right. Members of the KKK may know where to find great BBQ, but they’re still assholes.

98 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:44:21pm

re: #70 Ian G.

Also, why is it that propagandists like Greenwald can never find, you know, some democratic socialist politician in some liberal democracy like Sweden to quote for criticisms of US policy? Why is it always some vicious thug who imprisons critics and runs sham elections?

Greenwald hangs with the Cato Institute, and thus is likely the kind of libertarian who actually doesn’t have a lot of respect for democracy, and views socialism as the ultimate evil.

Also, look at John Galt imagery and tell me that libertarianism isn’t deeply into imagining oneself as the elite deciders, not one of the irrational rabble.

99 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:45:50pm

re: #95 Mike Lamb

You can always try bev mo if you have them near you.

100 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:47:04pm

re: #98 The Ghost of a Flea

Greenwald hangs with the Cato Institute, and thus is likely the kind of libertarian who actually doesn’t have a lot of respect for democracy, and views socialism as the ultimate evil.

Also, look at John Galt imagery and tell me that libertarianism isn’t deeply into imagining oneself as the elite deciders, not one of the irrational rabble.

THIS! THIS! A THOUSAND TIMES, THIS!!!

I got in trouble on another forum for commenting that the Randians who thought of themselves as ‘Producers’ had jobs like Mortgage Banker, or Financial Advisor, or Lawyer, and they generally shat liberally on anyone whose job involved actually, you know, PRODUCING things.

101 Mike Lamb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:47:36pm

re: #99 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

You can always try bev mo if you have them near you.

I’ve got a Total Wine nearby and a BevMo within shouting distance. Both of which are ok. I can get growler fills at either of those, but they don’t have a place to belly up and have 1-2 pints. In addition, I really do feel like the beer selection at Whole Foods is a touch better.

102 freetoken  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:48:33pm

re: #93 GeneJockey

You can’t outrun heredity. OTOH, he lived 9 years longer than his Dad.

Heh.

Anyway, one thing to remember is that we are the sum of our past. Maybe we are more than only our past, but what we do (and what has been done to us) doesn’t go away; how we play the cards we are dealt is important.

Genetic tests are starting to be useful in indicating predisposition to these kind of problems, though it is obvious there is much more to be learned.

103 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:49:24pm

Ever notice how all of those self-proclaimed libertarians tend to cluster around say, Vdare?
Meritocracy is great when you’re convinced you’re going to be on top.
(It’s all in the genes.///)

104 abolitionist  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:49:26pm

re: #84 Mattand

Neutral linking, huh?

Was neutral linking even a thing before today?

Barret Brown has become a reluctant expert on such issues.

105 freetoken  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:49:44pm

Speaking of being the sum of our past, Greenwald demonstrates once again that the self-infatuated have no need of yesterday or tomorrow, all they care about is me today.

106 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:50:04pm

My twitters are borked today.
Guess I’m twitter-neutral for now…

107 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:50:39pm

Yeah nothing screams self determination like sleeping in a safe bed all your life.

108 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:51:42pm

re: #100 GeneJockey

THIS! THIS! A THOUSAND TIMES, THIS!!!

I got in trouble on another forum for commenting that the Randians who thought of themselves as ‘Producers’ had jobs like Mortgage Banker, or Financial Advisor, or Lawyer, and they generally shat liberally on anyone whose job involved actually, you know, PRODUCING things.

Before there was Mary Sue, there was John Galt. Indeed, I’m not sure why “Mary Sue” is a needed term, when “John Galt” exists.

Sexy billionaire genius inventor philosopher-king who is always right, John Galt.

109 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:52:09pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

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The only place that tweet works for me is in Tweetdeck. Won’t render anywhere else.

110 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:52:16pm

re: #93 GeneJockey

You can’t outrun heredity. OTOH, he lived 9 years longer than his Dad.

A decent checkup would have revealed the atherosclerosis, too. No amount of exercise could have cured that.

111 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:53:00pm

Nothing will cause a worker uprising faster than cutting out food stamps.

112 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:53:12pm

Control tower at BWI shut down after lightning strike.

113 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:53:45pm

re: #95 Mike Lamb

I typically shop at Sprouts, but most Whole Foods have a fantastic beer selection, as well as several of them having a nice beer bar in the food court. I can’t quit them.

Living in PA beer shopping in a grocery store is still pretty much a no-go. A few Wegman’s have an end-around on the laws by having a separate “pub” that can sell 6-packs in the same location. Those are useful for trying out bottled imports or micro-brews.

114 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:54:33pm

Twitter currently: The connection was reset

115 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:54:49pm

re: #97 GeneJockey

Right. Members of the KKK may know where to find great BBQ, but they’re still assholes.

You’d think that the KKK and BBQ would not mix since when you eat ribs the sauce *is* guaranteed to score a clothing hit at some point.
//

116 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:55:17pm

re: #102 freetoken

Heh.

Anyway, one thing to remember is that we are the sum of our past. Maybe we are more than only our past, but what we do (and what has been done to us) doesn’t go away; how we play the cards we are dealt is important.

Genetic tests are starting to be useful in indicating predisposition to these kind of problems, though it is obvious there is much more to be learned.

Yep. There’s heredity, and there’s environment, and there’s behavior, but the key is how they interact. My mother’s grandmother lived to be 100, and her mother lived to 97. Mom smoked for 50 years, and died at 89 of Congestive Heart Failure. Even so, she beat her Dad, who died of CHF at 69. It’s sobering to realize you don’t just inherit longevity, you also inherit brevity.

When I was younger, I dreamed I’d inherit Dad’s health - he’s 95 and still not on any prescription meds. But I got Mom’s hypertension.

Such is life.

117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:56:42pm

re: #114 Gus

Twitter currently: The connection was reset

That’s what I’ve been getting the last couple of hours.

118 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:57:03pm

re: #115 Feline Fearless Leader

You’d think that the KKK and BBQ would not mix since when you eat ribs the sauce *is* guaranteed to score a clothing hit at some point.
//

That’s why the leaders get to wear red. Q-sauce stains don’t show up as much.

119 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:58:07pm

bbiab, new sub of Silver Spoon is up over at anime44…..

120 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 12:59:15pm

Lots of lightning now.
And wind.

121 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:00:07pm

re: #110 Justanotherhuman

A decent checkup would have revealed the atherosclerosis, too. No amount of exercise could have cured that.

That’s true today. I wonder how true it was back in the 70s when he started running, though?

122 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:00:55pm

re: #114 Gus

Twitter currently: The connection was reset

I blame GG and Putin…

123 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:01:13pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

I blame GG and Putin…

Thanks Obama!

124 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:01:20pm

My dad had 1 brother and 3 sisters. His brother and one of his sisters died in their forties of brain cancer. His brothers cancer was so extraordinary they used him for some kind of medical study/research. Now that I’m in my forties this kinda shit concerns me. No to mention the potpourri of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease that has been bountifully passed down thought the family tree.

125 BusyMonster  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:02:54pm

re: #54 GeneJockey

As far as I’m concerned, you don’t get to complain that the program you think shouldn’t exist AT ALL doesn’t do ENOUGH.

Well, you know wingers and their incessant need to weigh in on every issue whether they know jack shit or not. All conservatives are instant and total experts on everything, don’t you know?

126 kirkspencer  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:02:55pm

re: #100 GeneJockey

THIS! THIS! A THOUSAND TIMES, THIS!!!

I got in trouble on another forum for commenting that the Randians who thought of themselves as ‘Producers’ had jobs like Mortgage Banker, or Financial Advisor, or Lawyer, and they generally shat liberally on anyone whose job involved actually, you know, PRODUCING things.

The best way I know is to use the protagonists of Atlas Shrugged.
- Dabny and Francisco are senior executives who got their positions through inheritance (the corporations were created by their respective fathers).
- John Galt is an engineer who quits over a salary disagreement.
- Hank is the only one who owns the company he built, and who built it on an invention he made.
- Eddie is a bureaucrat.
- Ragnar intercepts and pirates relief ships on their way to the poor and gives the proceeds to company CEOs and other leaders owners - a reverse Robin Hood.

Her antagonists are no better. There are no real workers or producers - apparently nobody can do anything without their hands being held by the CEOs of the world.

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:04:06pm

Just checked over at isitdownrightnow.com and it appears to be a Firefox issue.

128 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:04:17pm

I have special concerns for my sister. While I was born while my dad was in Vietnam my sister was born after he was exposed to agent orange and god knows what else.

129 Weet  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:05:00pm

re: #73 piratedan

I don’t shop there because they refuse to employ folks full time so they don’t have to pay them benefits…. I take my “targeted” shopping to Trader Joe’s instead.

Thanks for the info. I’ve never been to a Trader Joe’s.

With consumerism, I think we each work to follow our values as we can.

I wanted to buy the non-Koch brothers, non-petroleum-based carpet. It was twice as much $, and too much for me. I hated that.

But I buy fair trade where I can, buy local, etc., and I do think we all need to move to a more socially conscious consumerism.

I actually have not been to Whole Foods since the CEO called Obamacare fascist.

130 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:05:13pm

re: #124 Amory Blaine

My dad had 1 brother and 3 sisters. His brother and one of his sisters died in their forties of brain cancer. His brothers cancer was so extraordinary they used him for some kind of medical study/research. Now that I’m in my forties this kinda shit concerns me. No to mention the potpourri of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease that has been bountifully passed down thought the family tree.

Yeah. In my family, we all remember how Grandma Dix lived to be 100, and how Nana lived to be 87, and Pap lived to 93. We forget about how Pap’s mother died in her 60s, and his Dad died in his 70s, or that Pap-Pap Daddy died at 69. But we get reminders, like my brother having an MI at 61.

131 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:05:59pm

So the company is bleeding money. Their answer? First, lay off the West Coast Regional Sales Director (i.e., my boss) because he’s somehow at fault. Then lay off the sales person focusing on Southern California to put all your eggs in Silicon Valley. Finally, lay off the one sales person in Texas (i.e., me) and close your office here, pushing all that additional territory on the girl who is moving to Chicago this month, expecting her to pick up the slack for the entire Central time zone.

Seems legit.

132 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:06:10pm

re: #121 GeneJockey

That’s true today. I wonder how true it was back in the 70s when he started running, though?

My grandmother was diagnosed with it in the 60s. She died of a heart attack at 76.

133 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:06:47pm

re: #131 Lidane

So the company is bleeding money. Their answer? First, lay off the West Coast Regional Sales Director (i.e., my boss) because he’s somehow at fault. Then lay off the sales person focusing on Southern California to put all your eggs in Silicon Valley. Finally, lay off the one sales person in Texas (i.e., me) and close your office here, pushing all that additional territory on the girl who is moving to Chicago this month, expecting her to pick up the slack for the entire Central time zone.

Seems legit.

:(

134 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:07:11pm

Twitter be down and shit.

135 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:07:24pm

re: #131 Lidane

{{hugs}}

136 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:07:28pm

re: #134 darthstar

Twitter be down and shit.

Fuckin’ ruby on rails.

137 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:07:52pm

What’s ‘twitter’???
/

138 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:08:05pm

re: #126 kirkspencer

The best way I know is to use the protagonists of Atlas Shrugged.
- Dabny and Francisco are senior executives who got their positions through inheritance (the corporations were created by their respective fathers).
- John Galt is an engineer who quits over a salary disagreement.
- Hank is the only one who owns the company he built, and who built it on an invention he made.
- Eddie is a bureaucrat.
- Ragnar intercepts and pirates relief ships on their way to the poor and gives the proceeds to company CEOs and other leaders owners - a reverse Robin Hood.

Her antagonists are no better. There are no real workers or producers - apparently nobody can do anything without their hands being held by the CEOs of the world.

IOW, Rand writes about life and work like someone who hasn’t actually lived or worked.

139 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:08:30pm

re: #133 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Eh. It’s okay. I was underpaid anyway.

I knew it was going to happen when my boss called and had the COO and CFO in the conference room with him. Hell, I’ve been expecting it since they laid off my one co-worker here in May and then deciding not to hire the two summer interns full time. Why keep an office open for one person?

140 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:08:31pm

re: #137 Pavlovian Hive Mind


A chat room for nutjobs.

141 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:08:35pm

re: #134 darthstar

Twitter be down and shit.

Apparently it’s just an issue with Firefox. IE and Chrome still work for some folks.

142 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:09:13pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just checked over at isitdownrightnow.com and it appears to be a Firefox issue.

It’s all Greenwaldia’s fault for lying.

143 Dr. Matt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:09:19pm

re: #134 darthstar

Twitter be down and shit.

Works for me. But, I’m special…..my mother said so.

144 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:09:23pm

re: #131 Lidane

So the company is bleeding money. Their answer? First, lay off the West Coast Regional Sales Director (i.e., my boss) because he’s somehow at fault. Then lay off the sales person focusing on Southern California to put all your eggs in Silicon Valley. Finally, lay off the one sales person in Texas (i.e., me) and close your office here, pushing all that additional territory on the girl who is moving to Chicago this month, expecting her to pick up the slack for the entire Central time zone.

Seems legit.

Companies who get in financial trouble by doing stupid shit often respond to that financial trouble by doing stupider shit.

145 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:09:30pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently it’s just an issue with Firefox. IE and Chrome still work for some folks.

So…
It’s basically down for everyone.
;)

146 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:09:44pm

re: #131 Lidane

So the company is bleeding money. Their answer? First, lay off the West Coast Regional Sales Director (i.e., my boss) because he’s somehow at fault. Then lay off the sales person focusing on Southern California to put all your eggs in Silicon Valley. Finally, lay off the one sales person in Texas (i.e., me) and close your office here, pushing all that additional territory on the girl who is moving to Chicago this month, expecting her to pick up the slack for the entire Central time zone.

Seems legit.

Looks like a death spiral to me. Butchering your sales organization might save some money right now - but it is doubtful that it will maintain, much less increase, current sales which are the key for future income.

147 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:10:20pm

Oh nooo people will actually have to look forward in an upright position while they walk down the street!!

148 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:10:24pm

Damn. Just damn.

A fire that started at Kohr’s frozen custard has spread to other boardwalk businesses, including FunTown Pier, where rides damage by superstorm Sandy are ablaze, Police Chief Francis Larkin said.

Emergency personnel first came to the boardwalk at about 2:30 p.m. for a report of smoke. A plume of gray smoke now stretches as far north as Ortley Beach as fire crews fight to douse the blaze.

The Breaking News Network also is reporting that the fire has reached six alarms, caused fires at buildings as far as four blocks away and resulted in water supply issues. Jackson, Manchester and Bayville firefighters were called in to assist.

It is still uncontained and spreading to adjacent structures. It’s also moving onto the just rebuilt boardwalk (rebuilt after Sandy). Thankfully no injuries, but it looks like the buildings are going to be totaled.

It’s going to wipe out whatever was left standing or what was just rebuilt after Sandy.

There are wind gusts of up to 50 mph in that area spreading and fanning the flames.

149 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:10:44pm

Have they hired new accountants lately?

150 Ian G.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:13:47pm

re: #131 Lidane

So the company is bleeding money. Their answer? First, lay off the West Coast Regional Sales Director (i.e., my boss) because he’s somehow at fault. Then lay off the sales person focusing on Southern California to put all your eggs in Silicon Valley. Finally, lay off the one sales person in Texas (i.e., me) and close your office here, pushing all that additional territory on the girl who is moving to Chicago this month, expecting her to pick up the slack for the entire Central time zone.

Seems legit.

Shit, I’ve been there before. Company was bleeding money because it was (basically) a brick-and-mortar place unable to adjust to new web competitors. So the solution was to first slash the marketing department, and then the sales department (I was caught in that second one).

Hang in there. If you’ve done well in your job, recruiters will want your skills, and getting laid off in this economy isn’t the scarlet letter that it can be in good times.

151 b.d.  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:13:53pm

re: #131 Lidane

Sorry to hear the bad news Lidane.

152 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:14:49pm

re: #149 Amory Blaine

Have they hired new accountants lately?

heh. It does smell like a “bottom line uber alles” decision basis, doesn’t it?

153 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:16:05pm
154 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:16:48pm

re: #149 Amory Blaine

Have they hired new accountants lately?

I used to drive an accountant on another forum crazy by saying that what destroyed GM was the accountants taking over from the Car Guys.

“NO!! It wuz thuh YOONYUNZ!!!!” he’d scream.

I asked, “Who but an accountant would come up with the Chevy Citation, or a Corvette with no guts?”

Ain’t I a stinker?
//

155 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:16:50pm

re: #131 Lidane

So the company is bleeding money. Their answer? First, lay off the West Coast Regional Sales Director (i.e., my boss) because he’s somehow at fault. Then lay off the sales person focusing on Southern California to put all your eggs in Silicon Valley. Finally, lay off the one sales person in Texas (i.e., me) and close your office here, pushing all that additional territory on the girl who is moving to Chicago this month, expecting her to pick up the slack for the entire Central time zone.

Seems legit.

my sympathies, i know what it’s like. but a person can often end up in a better situation after these kind of things

anyway, you’ll be better off to be out of a company that’s thrashing around in a death spiral

156 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:17:29pm

re: #131 Lidane

Wow, that sucks. Sorry to hear it.

157 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:18:30pm

{{Lidane}}

158 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:18:59pm

re: #131 Lidane

Really sorry to hear that. That’s awful.

159 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:21:28pm

Was 90 degrees.
Now 68.

160 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:21:46pm

re: #139 Lidane

Eh. It’s okay. I was underpaid anyway.

I knew it was going to happen when my boss called and had the COO and CFO in the conference room with him. Hell, I’ve been expecting it since they laid off my one co-worker here in May and then deciding not to hire the two summer interns full time. Why keep an office open for one person?

So sorry to hear that.

Good luck w/your job search!

161 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:22:03pm

re: #131 Lidane

So the company is bleeding money. Their answer? First, lay off the West Coast Regional Sales Director (i.e., my boss) because he’s somehow at fault. Then lay off the sales person focusing on Southern California to put all your eggs in Silicon Valley. Finally, lay off the one sales person in Texas (i.e., me) and close your office here, pushing all that additional territory on the girl who is moving to Chicago this month, expecting her to pick up the slack for the entire Central time zone.

Seems legit.

Shit, sorry to hear. What part of the market are you in? I know a few decent recruiters in the IT world. After taking a few weeks to absorb this, ping me and I’ll be happy to foward your resume around to a few of them (Yeah, I only know you anonymously, but you seem literate enough.). Then hit up your company’s biggest competitors - you will have a sales advantage as you know where your current company’s products have their weak spots.

162 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:24:14pm

re: #131 Lidane

Sorry to hear that.

163 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:25:18pm

Per CNN banner;
Syria has formally asked to join the Chemical Weapons Convention, Syria’s U.N. ambassador says.

164 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:25:26pm

Twitter worked in MSIE. Then I went back to FF and it was up but that could have been a coincidence.

165 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:26:07pm

re: #164 Gus

Twitter worked in MSIE. Then I went back to FF and it was up but that could have been a coincidence.

Twitter came back for me on Firefox a few minutes ago.

166 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:26:12pm

Can confirm, twitter works.

167 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:27:18pm

Just when ya thought it was safe to go back into the water…

(Reuters) - Health officials warned swimmers, surfers and snorkelers in Hawaii to stay out of the waters near Honolulu after a leak of 1,400 tons of molasses killed hundreds of fish, potentially attracting sharks.


Hawaii warns swimmers molasses spill could draw sharks

168 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:27:18pm

Classy conservative example for children # 999

Process server says senator’s aide chased and pushed him down

A process server hired to notify state Sen. Leah Vukmir of a lawsuit says a Vukmir aide assailed him with abusive language, chased him and pushed him to the ground outside the Capitol, according to court documents filed Wednesday.
The aide, Jason Rostan, told the State Journal that he didn’t push the process server but acknowledged following him and trying to force him to take the court papers back. Rostan said the man tripped and fell while refusing to accept the paperwork.
…

The process server’s account of what happened on Sept. 3 is contained in a sworn statement attached to a lawsuit filed in Dane County Circuit Court. The suit seeks to force Vukmir, R-Wauwatosa, to hand over documents from a May conference of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

Rostan “started to call me a low-life jerk and (expletives)” in Vukmir’s Capitol office, Bruce Lowrey, co-owner of C. Lowrey Process Service, said in the affidavit. “When I got outside Jason was running after me and he pushed me and knocked me down and threw the paperwork at me and continued to call me all kinds of (vulgar) names.”

These are the people that call teachers thugs.

169 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:27:58pm

Thunder. Getting ready to storm here.

weather.com

New word for the day: Smokenado! Image: 709889_155x114.jpg

170 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:28:32pm

re: #169 Justanotherhuman

Thunder. Getting ready to storm here.

weather.com

New word for the day: Smokenado! Image: 709889_155x114.jpg

Just had a storm here in NoVa.

171 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:30:35pm

Good article at Salon today, dropping a troll hammer on US libertarians. salon.com

The article is structured as 11 questions to put to libertarians as a hypocrisy test, and is well worth reading in its entirety. As an appetizer, these are the questions.

1) Are unions, political parties, elections, and social movements like Occupy examples of “spontaneous order”—and if not, why not?

2) Is a libertarian willing to admit that production is the result of many forces, each of which should be recognized and rewarded?

3) Is our libertarian willing to acknowledge that workers who bargain for their services, individually and collectively, are also employing market forces?

4) Is our libertarian willing to admit that a “free market” needs regulation?

5) Does our libertarian believe in democracy? If yes, explain what’s wrong with governments that regulate.

6) Does our libertarian use wealth that wouldn’t exist without government in order to preach against the role of government?

7) Does our libertarian reject any and all government protection for his intellectual property?

8) Does our libertarian recognize that democracy is a form of marketplace?

9) Does our libertarian recognize that large corporations are a threat to our freedoms?

10) Ayn Rand was an adamant opponent of good works, writing that “The man who attempts to live for others is a dependent. He is a parasite in motive and makes parasites of those he serves.” That raises another test for our libertarian: Does he think that Rand was off the mark on this one, or does he agree that historical figures like King and Gandhi were “parasites”?

11) Libertarianism would have died out as a philosophy if it weren’t for the funding that’s been lavished on the movement by billionaires like Thiel and the Kochs and corporations like ExxonMobil. So our final question is: If you believe in the free market, why weren’t you willing to accept as final the judgment against libertarianism rendered decades ago in the free and unfettered marketplace of ideas?

172 Lidane  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:31:44pm

re: #150 Ian G.

Shit, I’ve been there before. Company was bleeding money because it was (basically) a brick-and-mortar place unable to adjust to new web competitors. So the solution was to first slash the marketing department, and then the sales department (I was caught in that second one).

Seems to be a pattern, then. Company’s been around for 30 years. I suspect this is a big part of the problem. When there are newer, more agile companies out there doing the same thing but faster and cheaper because they’re on the web, it’s only a matter of time.

I started here last October. They hired a Marketing Director not long after that after a six month search. She lasted six months, at best. They then decided to kill their internal Marketing and just outsource it. Now they’re “reorganizing” Sales. But how the hell does butchering your Sales department help you bring in money when by your own admission you’re at 2/3 of your budget for the year? It makes no sense.

I see a merger and/or a dissolution in the next couple of years if they’re not careful.

Hang in there. If you’ve done well in your job, recruiters will want your skills, and getting laid off in this economy isn’t the scarlet letter that it can be in good times.

I can console myself knowing that when I’m asked why I’m looking for work or why I left, I can honestly say that corporate HQ closed my office and downsized. I’ll be okay. It’s just a pisser in the short term.

173 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:31:54pm

re: #166 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Can confirm, twitter works.

So GG didn’t break the twitters with his lying?

174 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:31:56pm

ughh,,,,

whatta day

And I STILL have an NFL game to do !!

COFFEE ,,, STAT!!!

175 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:32:13pm

re: #168 Amory Blaine

So conservatives lock up singers at the Capitol but push people down, humiliate them in the peoples house and exert undue force on a man just doing his job.

176 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:33:37pm

Homemade marinara sauce simmering on the stove. I suppose it’s time to finally work on the pantry.

177 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:34:23pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just when ya thought it was safe to go back into the water…


Hawaii warns swimmers molasses spill could draw sharks

Rum is a much safer form for transportation than Molasses.
//

178 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:34:42pm

Just want to say that all of my posts on here are intended to be neutral even my posts about the mutherf0cking teabag Party iceholes.

179 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:35:06pm

re: #176 klys

Homemade marinara sauce simmering on the stove. I suppose it’s time to finally work on the pantry.

If you find an old box of Twinkies in there,,,say from the 70’s or 80’s ,,, they’re still good!!

180 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:35:24pm

re: #176 klys

Homemade marinara sauce simmering on the stove. I suppose it’s time to finally work on the pantry.

Ooo… good idea. I need to harvest herbs tonight, so that would be a good opportunity to cook up a batch of pasta sauce at the same time.

181 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:38:14pm

re: #180 Feline Fearless Leader

Ooo… good idea. I need to harvest herbs tonight, so that would be a good opportunity to cook up a batch of pasta sauce at the same time.

Did that yesterday on my day off

Simmered for hours

Fruit of my labor will be in a little while here at work!

183 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:41:42pm

Much to my dismay, I find that the burrito place two blocks away which I successfully ignored for a year makes the best burritos in the world, ever. Last week I got a green chile pork one, and it was the best burrito I ever ate. So I got the same thing this week. It’s the second best burrito ever. (This is in the hand-held category, although I don’t think it would be rated any differently if plated and smothered.) Eventually I hope to try some other menu items.

Dismay because I managed to lose 5 pounds recently. I’m not sure I can maintain that now.

184 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:44:55pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

Much to my dismay, I find that the burrito place two blocks away which I successfully ignored for a year makes the best burritos in the world, ever. Last week I got a green chile pork one, and it was the best burrito I ever ate. So I got the same thing this week. It’s the second best burrito ever. (This is in the hand-held category, although I don’t think it would be rated any differently if plated and smothered.) Eventually I hope to try some other menu items.

Dismay because I managed to lose 5 pounds recently. I’m not sure I can maintain that now.

I think you gave those 5 lbs to me. : (

Now it’s salads…

185 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:45:54pm

re: #181 sattv4u2

Did that yesterday on my day off

Simmered for hours

Fruit of my labor will be in a little while here at work!

Need to make a few batches of meatballs soon and freeze them as well.

Tossing 8-10 frozen ones in about 20 minutes before serving the sauce worked real well for thawing them and letting them add to the flavor. And they also held up real well in terms of maintaining shape without being too dry. (And odd thing was using rolled oats as one of the binding ingredients.)

186 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:47:02pm

Swiped from the sidebar, hand-imported to the center column:

187 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:47:26pm

re: #182 Amory Blaine

Madison cab driver’s freestyle beard wins national contest

Image: 523138fdc1630.preview-620.jpg

he looks positively elizabethan to me

maybe he drives a ford tudor

188 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:47:38pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

Depending where I put my scale today I either gained 5 lbs or lost 5 lbs.

:/

189 Weet  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:48:24pm

Did Putin think he was writing for The Onion?

Because Chechnya, arms supplier to Syria, and there was this thing called the USSR with the KGB.

“It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States,” Putin wrote. “Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it.”

He continued: “Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan ‘you’re either with us or against us.’”

190 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:48:57pm

re: #185 Feline Fearless Leader

Need to make a few batches of meatballs soon and freeze them as well.

Tossing 8-10 frozen ones in about 20 minutes before serving the sauce worked real well for thawing them and letting them add to the flavor. And they also held up real well in terms of maintaining shape without being too dry. (And odd thing was using rolled oats as one of the binding ingredients.)

My saltine meatloaf came out kind of soggy and crumbly (but tasty!) so I will probably ditch the Saltines in favor of oatmeal and cut back on the number of eggs next time, since I bumped up the Worcestershire sauce and mustard.

Nice and tangy though.

191 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:51:56pm

re: #189 Weet

Did Putin think he was writing for The Onion?

Because Chechnya, arms supplier to Syria, and there was this thing called the USSR with the KGB.

“It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States,” Putin wrote. “Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it.”

He continued: “Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan ‘you’re either with us or against us.’”

Gee…that sounds an awful like those “Patriots” were yelling at the rest of us during the GWB years…

192 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:52:20pm

Fire on the boardwalk. Video.

nbcphiladelphia.com

193 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:52:35pm

“Yes, there is a lot of porn on my computer, but it’s all neutral porn, man.”

194 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:54:06pm

re: #185 Feline Fearless Leader

Need to make a few batches of meatballs soon and freeze them as well.

Tossing 8-10 frozen ones in about 20 minutes before serving the sauce worked real well for thawing them and letting them add to the flavor. And they also held up real well in terms of maintaining shape without being too dry. (And odd thing was using rolled oats as one of the binding ingredients.)

I use oatmeal as a binder, too. Meatballs (and meatloaf) have some serious solidity, while still maintaining a nice level of moistness.

195 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:54:28pm

re: #193 Bulworth

“Yes, there is a lot of porn on my computer, but it’s all neutral porn, man.”

Yeah, that’ll totally work.

196 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:54:40pm

Water spouts spotted over Lake Michigan near Kenosha

Cool photos at the link.

197 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:54:51pm

re: #190 klys

My saltine meatloaf came out kind of soggy and crumbly (but tasty!) so I will probably ditch the Saltines in favor of oatmeal and cut back on the number of eggs next time, since I bumped up the Worcestershire sauce and mustard.

Nice and tangy though.

I use dry mustard, onion, garlic, salt, pepper, and a dash of red pepper for internal spicing. Glaze the top with “Werewolf Sauce” - which is a hot pepper sauce from a small company in Illinois. Sort of like A-1 sauce with a spicy kick. Alternative to that is using Pic-a-pepper sauce which is a sugar cane-based Jamaican hot sauce.

I wouldn’t go all oatmeal though - maybe cut the Saltines by half and replace that with the oatmeal.

Oh, are you cooking the meatloaf in a loaf pan, or on an open sheet to allow the grease to cook out and flow clear? That has a definite effect on the texture and the need for outer glazing.

198 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:55:15pm

re: #192 Justanotherhuman

Fire on the boardwalk. Video.

nbcphiladelphia.com

Almost looks like they’re focusing on containment instead of saving what’s already on fire at this point.

199 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:55:55pm

re: #198 klys

Almost looks like they’re focusing on containment instead of saving what’s already on fire at this point.

lawhawk posted about that a little while ago. It was already looking bleak.

200 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:56:46pm

re: #197 Feline Fearless Leader

I do fist-size individual balls - kind of like round meatballs. When I did it on Monday I just lumped four in a loaf pan (2 for each of us) together.

The outside actually crisped up a little bit, which was nice - good counterpoint to the falling-apart insides.

201 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:57:06pm

Rifles near Appleton farmers’ market lead to police, debate

Two guys walking to Appleton’s downtown farmers’ market on Saturday — while carrying AR-15 rifles on their shoulders — swiftly attracted some gunpoint attention and handcuffs from Appleton police.

Whether that’s surprising depends on where you stand about Second Amendment rights. One of the men happened to record the encounter, now making the rounds on the Internet, where at least some gun rights advocates are outraged by the police response.

The men, Charles Branstrom, 28, and Ross Bauman, 22, also were wearing holstered handguns. About six minutes after they are stopped, one officer sees Branstrom’s camera, confiscates it and attempts to turn it off, but stops only the video. The device continues recording audio of police officers for about 45 minutes.

Ultimately, police release both men without charges or tickets

202 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:57:37pm

6 alarm fire, last I heard.
I used to go there as a kid…
:(

203 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:57:58pm

re: #200 klys

I do fist-size individual balls - kind of like round meatballs. When I did it on Monday I just lumped four in a loaf pan (2 for each of us) together.

The outside actually crisped up a little bit, which was nice - good counterpoint to the falling-apart insides.

Hehehe. Time for you to consider cooking Scotch Eggs. :)

204 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:58:14pm

re: #202 Pavlovian Hive Mind

6 alarm fire, last I heard.
I used to go there as a kid…
:(

Taking in the satellite feed as we speak, and feeding it to CNN

205 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:58:20pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

lawhawk posted about that a little while ago. It was already looking bleak.

My opinion of construction on barrier islands is not very popular in NJ (or other places that rely on barrier island tourism) so I will simply say that my thoughts are with those affected, both materially and emotionally.

206 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:58:50pm

re: #192 Justanotherhuman

Fire on the boardwalk. Video.

nbcphiladelphia.com

Donald Trump looking for some insurance money?

207 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:59:19pm

re: #203 Feline Fearless Leader

Hehehe. Time for you to consider cooking Scotch Eggs. :)

Bah, no. The husband loves them, but I am not a fan.

Now, meat pies or sausage rolls and we can talk. The place that shows up at the Pleasanton Highland Games does the absolute best. I’m pretty sure the secret is obscene amounts of butter.

208 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:59:41pm

re: #203 Feline Fearless Leader

Hehehe. Time for you to consider cooking Scotch Eggs. :)

oooh…Scotch eggs! Haven’t made them in years…

209 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:59:46pm

How does social media work again?

Brazil’s Rousseff targets internet companies after NSA spying

uk.reuters.com

Some European countries already require certain sensitive personal data to be stored locally. Microsoft, Amazon and other big providers of remote computing services already have data centers in those countries so their customers can comply with local regulations.

Social media may be more difficult to govern. If a Facebook user in Brazil commented on a French friend’s post, for example, it’s not clear how that data could stay in Brazil.

Depending on the Brazilian law’s specifics, the impact on companies “could be really big,” said Dennis Julian, a data center expert at Integrated Design Group in Boston.

“The question is how far you go with it,” he said.

Julian said the recent trend has been toward companies consolidating into a few big data centers rather than a lot of small ones. That’s due to high costs - large data centers can cost hundreds of millions of dollars, he said - and problems finding qualified employees for service and maintenance.

210 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:59:52pm

re: #204 sattv4u2

Taking in the satellite feed as we speak, and feeding it to CNN

So we can blame you when CNN reports it’s happening in Texas.

211 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:01:11pm

re: #204 sattv4u2

Taking in the satellite feed as we speak, and feeding it to CNN

Are you ever tempted to ‘accidentally’ patch in a Nyan cat feed instead?

212 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:01:14pm

re: #206 darthstar

Donald Trump looking for some insurance money?

this ones no joke

LOTS of small businesses,,,, gone

213 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:01:41pm

re: #207 klys

Bah, no. The husband loves them, but I am not a fan.

Now, meat pies or sausage rolls and we can talk. The place that shows up at the Pleasanton Highland Games does the absolute best. I’m pretty sure the secret is obscene amounts of butter.

I believe that, and surprising amounts of salt, are the secret to a lot of professional cooking.

214 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:01:52pm

re: #207 klys

Bah, no. The husband loves them, but I am not a fan.

Now, meat pies or sausage rolls and we can talk. The place that shows up at the Pleasanton Highland Games does the absolute best. I’m pretty sure the secret is obscene amounts of butter.

The only thing not improved by obscene amounts of butter is margarine.

215 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:02:14pm

re: #211 klys

Are you ever tempted to ‘accidentally’ patch in a Nyan cat feed instead?

bt/ dt,, got the reprimand!!

// (sorta ,,, it’s pretty easy to route the right thing to the wrong destination when things are hectic and you don’t pay attention for a moment)

216 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:02:50pm

re: #210 darthstar

So we can blame you when CNN reports it’s happening in Texas.

Nahh,,, thats ALL on them

217 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:03:38pm

re: #215 sattv4u2

bt/ dt,, got the reprimand!!

// (sorta ,,, it’s pretty easy to route the right thing to the wrong destination when things are hectic and you don’t pay attention for a moment)

My dad works on one of the products used to essentially form the Internet backbone (fiber optics components). He’s told the story about the technician who inadvertently fried a key piece.

I do think the guy got to keep his job.

218 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:04:28pm

Sweet.

219 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:05:10pm

It is incredibly tempting to throw out all of the baking supplies in the pantry, as at least one is dated “opened x/x/06” which is before I met him and then buy new as needed.

220 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:05:28pm

re: #212 sattv4u2

this ones no joke

LOTS of small businesses,,,, gone

Yeah…and they just rebuilt in record time after Sandy.

221 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:05:59pm

5 Tiny Computer Glitches That Caused Huge Disasters

#5. Google Accidentally Blocks the Internet

#4. Sometimes the Error Messages Are There for a Reason

#3. The Navy Tries to Divide by Zero

#2. System Operator Avoids Hassle, America Loses Power

#1. The Date Line Beats 12 F-22 Raptors

222 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:06:10pm

re: #220 darthstar

Yeah…and they just rebuilt in record time after Sandy.

Their only silver lining is that this is after Labor Day, the traditional end of the Shore summer season.

223 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:06:31pm

Derp

224 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:07:47pm

re: #219 klys

It is incredibly tempting to throw out all of the baking supplies in the pantry, as at least one is dated “opened x/x/06” which is before I met him and then buy new as needed.

Check all the dates and toss the old. If it doesn’t have a date, it’s from way back before everybody put dates on their packages.

Your taste buds will thank you.

225 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:09:47pm

re: #224 wrenchwench

Check all the dates and toss the old. If it doesn’t have a date, it’s from way back before everybody put dates on their packages.

Your taste buds will thank you.

The current plan is baking stuff all goes (because most of it is really that old) and the rest is either we will eat and it’s in date (keep), we won’t eat and it’s in date (donate), or out of date (trash).

And then I replace as needed on the current quest for healthier cooking (like the meatloaf and marinara sauce).

226 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:10:36pm

re: #225 klys

The flipside is I really, really, really don’t want to do this and have been putting it off for over a week.

227 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:11:15pm





More on his feed.

228 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:11:57pm

re: #226 klys

The flipside is I really, really, really don’t want to do this and have been putting it off for over a week.

Then you’ll feel really good when it’s done.

229 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:11:58pm

bbl

getting hectic here

230 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:12:51pm

re: #228 wrenchwench

Then you’ll feel really good when it’s done.

Oooooooooooor I put it off until Saturday and drag the husband into doing it with me. >.>

231 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:14:09pm

re: #200 klys

I do fist-size individual balls - kind of like round meatballs. When I did it on Monday I just lumped four in a loaf pan (2 for each of us) together.

The outside actually crisped up a little bit, which was nice - good counterpoint to the falling-apart insides.

Try adding an egg for each lb of meat. It’s a binder.

232 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:15:24pm
233 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:15:31pm
234 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:17:36pm

re: #231 Justanotherhuman

Try adding an egg for each lb of meat. It’s a binder.

The problem I think was I did 2 eggs for a pound and a half, and there was a reasonable amount of liquid on top of that - and my bread-type thing was Saltines, which turned to mush.

235 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:17:55pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

Swiped from the sidebar, hand-imported to the center column:

[Embedded content]

Michelle Obama to visit Wisconsin school to promote water

Hateful derp in the comments are default.

236 simoom  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:18:06pm

A bit of an Oath Keepers flashback:

philly.com

Paranoid politics, the Oath Keepers, and their fight to give a baby girl back to an abusive dad

237 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:18:21pm

re: #225 klys

The current plan is baking stuff all goes (because most of it is really that old) and the rest is either we will eat and it’s in date (keep), we won’t eat and it’s in date (donate), or out of date (trash).

And then I replace as needed on the current quest for healthier cooking (like the meatloaf and marinara sauce).

Makes room for brand new stuff!

238 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:18:55pm

re: #234 klys

The problem I think was I did 2 eggs for a pound and a half, and there was a reasonable amount of liquid on top of that - and my bread-type thing was Saltines, which turned to mush.

My America’s Test Kitchen recipes for meatloaf and meatballs both used some dairy as an ingredient. That helped with binding and keeping it moist.

239 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:19:16pm

Okay…this is fun.

helloworldquiz.com

Guess the programming language from the Hello World snippet.

240 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:22:16pm

re: #230 klys

Oooooooooooor I put it off until Saturday and drag the husband into doing it with me. >.>

TOGETHERNESS!!!!!

241 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:22:53pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

TOGETHERNESS!!!!!

…yeah, I’m emptying out the second shelf now.

242 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:23:39pm
243 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:24:03pm

Oh noz teh Goldman Sachs!!!!!!!!

244 simoom  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:24:23pm

reason.com

reason: You’ve also been accused of associating with people who spread paranoia or conspiracy theories. So let me ask you straight up: Do you think President Obama was born in the United States?

Rhodes: Oath Keepers doesn’t get into all of that. I know some of our members think he isn’t eligible to be president. Others think that’s nonsense. I guess if he weren’t constitutionally eligible you could have some chain-of-command problems. But for me that’s all really beside the point. I care about how the structure of the federal government makes abuse possible. If Obama weren’t in office, it would be someone else who had the potential to commit the same abuses.

reason: What about the September 11 attacks? Do you think the government played any role in or had advance knowledge of the attacks?

Rhodes: Again, that’s just something we just stay out of. We have members who believe that, or at least believe there should be an investigation. And we have members who think those members are crazy. We certainly don’t promote the idea. But from my standpoint, it’s just not a topic that’s relevant to what we’re trying to do, so there’s no point in taking a position.

reason: Do you personally believe in either theory?

Rhodes: Well, I’m talking to you as the head of the organization, and the organization doesn’t take a position on either of those issues. So I don’t think my personal views are relevant. It just doesn’t make sense to take positions on issues that may alienate some of our members and that aren’t relevant to our goal, which is educating police officers and soldiers on the importance of not following unconstitutional orders.

245 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:24:45pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

TOGETHERNESS!!!!!

Yeah, funny thing about that. My wife keeps coming up with all these projects we can do together, then mysteriously vanishes within the first half hour. It’s too hot, or it’s too cold, or she got up early, or she stayed up late, or she’s hungry. It’s always something.

246 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:25:13pm

whoa, my vision went all blurry.

247 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:25:14pm

re: #245 GeneJockey

Yeah, funny thing about that. My wife keeps coming up with all these projects we can do together, then mysteriously vanishes within the first half hour. It’s too hot, or it’s too cold, or she got up early, or she stayed up late, or she’s hungry. It’s always something.

Clearly your fault then.

248 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:26:08pm

re: #247 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Clearly your fault then.

Of course!

249 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:26:48pm

If a man says something, and his wife isn’t there to hear it, is he still wrong?
//

250 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:27:00pm

re: #234 klys

The problem I think was I did 2 eggs for a pound and a half, and there was a reasonable amount of liquid on top of that - and my bread-type thing was Saltines, which turned to mush.

What kind of meat are you using? I usually use ground pork and ground beef (not more than 20% fat) and bread crumbs. If I don’t have b/c on hand, I’ll put a couple of slices in the blender and make some. I add basil and 4 oz of tomato sauce to the mix, too, w/the rest on top the last 15 min of baking on an open pan (2 sm loaves); they turn out firm and moist inside . I don’t eat it, but those who do like it that way. Everyone has a favorite recipe. : )

251 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:27:04pm

So, since there are some folks around here who might know:

How hard is it to make matzo balls from scratch? I keep mix around to make for the husband when he’s not feeling well (he likes them in chicken noodle soup) but I wouldn’t mind trying to make them from scratch once if it’s not too bad.

252 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:27:11pm
253 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:27:27pm

re: #245 GeneJockey

Yeah, funny thing about that. My wife keeps coming up with all these projects we can do together, then mysteriously vanishes within the first half hour. It’s too hot, or it’s too cold, or she got up early, or she stayed up late, or she’s hungry. It’s always something.

hey! Shut up!

oh wait…mistook you for my own husband…

carry on.

254 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:28:40pm

re: #251 klys

So, since there are some folks around here who might know:

How hard is it to make matzo balls from scratch? I keep mix around to make for the husband when he’s not feeling well (he likes them in chicken noodle soup) but I wouldn’t mind trying to make them from scratch once if it’s not too bad.

calling VB!!! VB, pick up the courtesy phone on the mezzanine!

255 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:28:45pm

re: #250 Justanotherhuman

What kind of meat are you using? I usually use ground pork and ground beef (not more than 20% fat) and bread crumbs. If I don’t have b/c on hand, I’ll put a couple of slices in the blender and make some. I add basil and 4 oz of tomato sauce to the mix, too, w/the rest on top the last 15 min of baking on an open pan (2 sm loaves); they turn out firm and moist inside . I don’t eat it, but those who do like it that way. Everyone has a favorite recipe. : )

This was extra-lean ground beef mostly following this recipe. Since we’re trying to watch calories, I’m trying to stick to recipes with calorie counts and restricting what I play with to the lower-calorie things.

We both liked them, they were just definitely …crumbly.

256 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:29:29pm

re: #251 klys

So, since there are some folks around here who might know:

How hard is it to make matzo balls from scratch? I keep mix around to make for the husband when he’s not feeling well (he likes them in chicken noodle soup) but I wouldn’t mind trying to make them from scratch once if it’s not too bad.

Here’s a recipe: myjewishlearning.com

257 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:29:35pm

I can still see but its like I’ve got little spots out of focus. I can read something out of the corner of my eye, but when I loo right at it, it blurs.

WTF?

258 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:29:47pm

re: #251 klys

So, since there are some folks around here who might know:

How hard is it to make matzo balls from scratch? I keep mix around to make for the husband when he’s not feeling well (he likes them in chicken noodle soup) but I wouldn’t mind trying to make them from scratch once if it’s not too bad.

IIRC, they’re just matzoh meal, eggs, and some baking powder. Dead simple.

259 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:30:21pm

re: #257 Kragar

I can still see but its like I’ve got little spots out of focus. I can read something out of the corner of my eye, but when I loo right at it, it blurs.

WTF?

visual migraine starting? If so…you’ll see flashing lights soon. It will be over in 20 minutes.

260 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:30:27pm

re: #257 Kragar

I can still see but its like I’ve got little spots out of focus. I can read something out of the corner of my eye, but when I loo right at it, it blurs.

WTF?

Migraine aura?

Otherwise, I would recommend calling an eye doctor if you have one. Vision stuff is nothing to play around with, especially when it comes on suddenly.

261 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:30:38pm

Looks like Council Bluffs, Iowa’s very own Rasputin was re-arrested today.

theepochtimes.com

262 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:30:46pm

re: #257 Kragar

I can still see but its like I’ve got little spots out of focus. I can read something out of the corner of my eye, but when I loo right at it, it blurs.

WTF?

Go see an ophthalmologist ASAP.

263 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:31:15pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

visual migraine starting? If so…you’ll see flashing lights soon. It will be over in 20 minutes.

Never had anything lit it before.

264 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:31:25pm
265 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:31:38pm

re: #263 Kragar

Never had anything lit it before.

Be on the safe side. Talk to a doctor who specializes in this.

266 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:33:13pm

re: #263 Kragar

Never had anything lit it before.

I’ve had them all my life. Sometimes only once every year or so, sometimes dozens over a few weeks. Very spooky if it’s your first time. But if it’s still happening after 15-20 minutes, get yourself to the ER.

267 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:33:40pm

I was just out in the sun for a while, then went into a dark room, then turned on the light when I sat back down at the PC. Maybe I shocked the system or something? Not going to try and drive while its like this.

268 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:34:22pm

re: #267 Kragar

I was just out in the sun for a while, then went into a dark room, then turned on the light when I sat back down at the PC. Maybe I shocked the system or something? Not going to try and drive while its like this.

No, absolutely do not drive. Any other physical symptoms going on?

269 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:34:34pm

Seems worse when I look at the monitor or TV.

270 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:34:47pm

re: #267 Kragar

I was just out in the sun for a while, then went into a dark room, then turned on the light when I sat back down at the PC. Maybe I shocked the system or something? Not going to try and drive while its like this.

I agree with the not driving, but if you have an eye doctor, at least call the office and describe the symptoms and circumstances. If it keeps up, definitely seek medical attention.

271 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:35:10pm

re: #263 Kragar

Never had anything lit it before.

Do what they said—eye doc today. Went for an exam, came out two hours later with a 4-second laser zap that saved most of an eye—and a schedule for the other. Even w/o medicare/insurance it would have been in the low thousands vs blindness.

272 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:35:10pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, absolutely do not drive. Any other physical symptoms going on?

Nope, just the blurriness. Came on in a matter of seconds a few minutes ago.

273 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:35:11pm
274 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:35:18pm

“use before 2012”

I think I failed there.

275 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:35:26pm

re: #269 Kragar

Seems worse when I look at the monitor or TV.

yes, that would aggravate it. See any flashing lights yet? It would look like lightning, usually in an arc shape.

276 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:35:39pm

re: #257 Kragar

I can still see but its like I’ve got little spots out of focus. I can read something out of the corner of my eye, but when I loo right at it, it blurs.

WTF?

Look up ‘Optical Migraine’. Note, however, that I’m not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV. It might not be one at all.

I had one once. I closed one eye. Still there. Closed the other eye. Still there.

Scared the crap outta me. “Am I having a stroke?” I wondered. I went to talk to my Minion, figuring if I were babbling, she’d let me know.

Finally looked up ‘visual distortion’ on the internet, and the Mayo Clinic described it to a T, right down to the duration and how it looked.

277 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:37:53pm

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, that would aggravate it. See any flashing lights yet? It would look like lightning, usually in an arc shape.

Kind of sort of, kind of a rippling blur, right on the edge of my vision, even there with my eyes closed. weird as fuck.

278 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:38:03pm

BUT, it could be something else, so don’t be “brave”.

279 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:38:40pm

re: #277 Kragar

Let’s put it this way: what would you be recommending your kids do if they came to you with these symptoms?

Please do that for yourself.

280 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:39:39pm

re: #277 Kragar

Kind of sort of, kind of a rippling blur, right on the edge of my vision, even there with my eyes closed. weird as fuck.

OK, sounds like the visual migraine. Can you call someone and keep them on the phone until it passes?

281 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:39:55pm

re: #277 Kragar

Kind of sort of, kind of a rippling blur, right on the edge of my vision, even there with my eyes closed. weird as fuck.

Yeah, this does indeed sound like a migraine. Will probably last 30-45 minutes, and you may have a pretty bad headache afterward - or not. Sometimes it’s just the visuals.

282 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:40:08pm

re: #279 klys

Let’s put it this way: what would you be recommending your kids do if they came to you with these symptoms?

Please do that for yourself.

Tell my mother?
/

283 abolitionist  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:40:19pm

re: #257 Kragar

I can still see but its like I’ve got little spots out of focus. I can read something out of the corner of my eye, but when I loo right at it, it blurs.

WTF?

Try looking thru a pinhole toward some uniformly lighted background —a wall, a sheet of paper, or sky. That’s a quickie check for cataracts, floaters, etc.

An alternative to a pinhole is to place two fingers and one thumb together, and peek thru the tiny triangle where they meet.

Some more info here: Vision Problems

284 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:40:28pm

re: #197 Feline Fearless Leader

I use dry mustard, onion, garlic, salt, pepper, and a dash of red pepper for internal spicing. Glaze the top with “Werewolf Sauce” - which is a hot pepper sauce from a small company in Illinois. Sort of like A-1 sauce with a spicy kick. Alternative to that is using Pic-a-pepper sauce which is a sugar cane-based Jamaican hot sauce.

I wouldn’t go all oatmeal though - maybe cut the Saltines by half and replace that with the oatmeal.

Oh, are you cooking the meatloaf in a loaf pan, or on an open sheet to allow the grease to cook out and flow clear? That has a definite effect on the texture and the need for outer glazing.

Mmmm. Meatballs(and Meatloaf).

I use oats too, but I run them through a little food processor to further cut them down. I add with some breadcrumbs and even some finely chopped walnuts, agin run through a processor. Also, toss in some flax seed which helps keep them moist and also adds to hold it all together.

I found the walnuts mentioned in some meatless meatballs mixtures. Its a good way to also cut back on meat but keep protein and flavor.

I freaked some people out one time when I made a tomato flavored meatloaf and cut a thick slab, plopped it over a bed of spahhetti and poured spaghetti sauce on top. What? It’s one big meatball.

285 KingKenrod  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:40:44pm

re: #257 Kragar

I can still see but its like I’ve got little spots out of focus. I can read something out of the corner of my eye, but when I loo right at it, it blurs.

WTF?

I get these migraines, if that’s what it is - “ocular” migraines. They started when I was ~35, it happens once or twice a year. Yes, blurry spots are a symptom, and waves/ripples of light around your peripheral vision.

They last about 20 minutes and afterwards I get a crushing headache for several hours. Hope it doesn’t happen to you.

286 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:41:03pm

re: #282 Kragar

Tell my mother?
/

Well, you could call your mother and tell her what’s going on, and then let her chew you out about not talking to a doctor.

Or you could skip that and at least call a doctor’s office with the list of symptoms and see what they say.

287 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:42:54pm

Want to be sure it’s not a detached retina. If it is, you want to know asap.

288 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:43:10pm

re: #285 KingKenrod

I get these migraines, if that’s what it is - “ocular” migraines. They started when I was ~35, it happens once or twice a year. Yes, blurry spots are a symptom, and waves/ripples of light around your peripheral vision.

They last about 20 minutes and afterwards I get a crushing headache for several hours. Hope it doesn’t happen to you.

I’m lucky in that I never get the crushing painful migraine after the visual ones. Those are a separate annoyance.

And yes, 15-25 minutes are the usual length.

289 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:43:30pm

re: #287 wrenchwench

Want to be sure it’s not a detached retina. If it is, you want to know asap.

THIS.

Look, chances are good it is just an ocular migraine. But you don’t know for sure, because you haven’t had one before.

290 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:43:31pm

re: #284 ObserverArt

Mmmm. Meatballs(and Meatloaf).

I use oats too, but I run them through a little food processor to further cut them down. I add with some breadcrumbs and even some finely chopped walnuts, agin run through a processor. Also, toss in some flax seed which helps keep them moist and also adds to hold it all together.

I found the walnuts mentioned in some meatless meatballs mixtures. Its a good way to also cut back on meat but keep protein and flavor.

I freaked some people out one time when I made a tomato flavored meatloaf and cut a thick slab, plopped it over a bed of spahhetti and poured spaghetti sauce on top. What? It’s one big meatball.

My son - the one with ASD - LOVES meatballs, and HATES meatloaf, even though I use the same damned recipe for each. “It’s loaf-y!”, he says.

I use Panko in my meatloaf and meatballs, because oats make me incredibly gassy. Which sucks, because I really, really love steel-cut oatmeal with a little honey and butter, but nobody would want to be near me later.

291 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:43:41pm

Got to swing by the mall tomorrow which has my optometrist and eye doctor. I’ll ask him about it then. My GP charges me $25 just to walk in the door.

292 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:44:19pm

re: #291 Kragar

So if you’ll be there tomorrow, call them today and see if they want to schedule an appointment?

/men, I swear.

293 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:44:33pm

re: #282 Kragar

Tell my mother?
/

Go cut some wood on a table saw. In a few minutes, your vision will be the least of your problems.

Seriously, though, call your doctor and stop looking at the computer screen for a little while.

294 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:45:03pm

re: #291 Kragar

Got to swing by the mall tomorrow which has my optometrist and eye doctor. I’ll ask him about it then. My GP charges me $25 just to walk in the door.

Stand in the hall, and shout questions at him, then.
//

295 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:45:22pm

re: #291 Kragar

Got to swing by the mall tomorrow which has my optometrist and eye doctor. I’ll ask him about it then. My GP charges me $25 just to walk in the door.

good thing CL isn’t here right now, she’d be smacking you right upside the head.
But really, get on the phone with someone, anyone, RIGHT NOW until it passes…just in case.

296 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:45:53pm

re: #282 Kragar

Tell my mother?
/

You might get away from the computer, and away from the lights (is there a dark office near?). See if that helps.

297 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:46:17pm

re: #190 klys

This is my grandma’s recipe, then my mom’s, now mine. It’s simple and has never failed me.

1lb ground beef(or half beef half pork)
1/4-1/2 cup seasoned bread crumbs(depending on the moisture in the beef)
1/4 cup ketchup(plus extra to put on top if you want, before baking)
2 T dehydrated onions
1 t salt
1t cracked black pepper
1 T dried parsley(2-3 T fresh)
1 egg(or 1/4 cup egg substitute)

Combine ingredients til well mixed(smoosh some ketchup on top if you want, it makes a nice glaze on top), form into loaf and add about 1/4- 1/2 cup of water to the pan, bake at 350 for about 40-50 minutes.

298 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:46:19pm

Call his mother, klys.

299 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:46:56pm

re: #298 wrenchwench

Call his mother, klys.

Gah, I wish. I can just be obnoxious to Kragar online instead. =P

300 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:47:28pm

re: #296 Justanotherhuman

You might get away from the computer, and away from the lights (is there a dark office near?). See if that helps.

If it’s a visual migraine, it just has to run its course. Nothing will stop it.

301 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:48:02pm

Okay, Kragar, it’s been 20 minutes. Has it gotten better or worse? Grown or shrunk? Gotten ‘flashy’, like flipping polarization back and forth?

302 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:48:21pm

Earliest use-by date from the pantry so far:

2009.

303 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:49:02pm

re: #302 klys

Earliest use-by date from the pantry so far:

2009.

I’ve got a can of mushy peas I bought in England back in 1990.

WIN!!!

304 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:49:41pm

re: #302 klys

Earliest use-by date from the pantry so far:

2009.

Impressive. My approach for kitchen management is to never cook.

305 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:49:47pm

Not as blurry as before, I can kind of feel a headache, not too bad though.

306 Stanley Sea  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:50:14pm

Sorry Lidane. Hang in there the best you can.

307 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:50:28pm

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

If it’s a visual migraine, it just has to run its course. Nothing will stop it.

Whenever I used to get full migraines, aura, vomiting, pain—a dark room always helped. Thankfully, I only had about 3—all stress-induced, and all in middle age.

308 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:51:09pm

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve got a can of mushy peas I bought in England back in 1990.

WIN!!!

HAH! I have cans of pie filling my Mom sent me 10 years ago that were in their basement for untold years before that!

And that’s not even mentioning their spice drawer. How much flavor d’you suppose is still left in the ground allspice that’s been there since before they remodeled the kitchen in 1974?

309 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:51:09pm
310 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:51:14pm

(((Lidane))) Job losses suck, even if the job itself sucked.

311 erik_t  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:51:59pm

re: #302 klys

Earliest use-by date from the pantry so far:

2009.

I’m still working my way through a giant tub of coarse corn meal I bought in 2005. I think I’ll finish it this fall.

I mean, it’s not like corn meal can go bad.

312 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:52:05pm

re: #307 Justanotherhuman

Whenever I used to get full migraines, aura, vomiting, pain—a dark room always helped. Thankfully, I only had about 3—all stress-induced, and all in middle age.

yes, for full-blown migraines, dark quiet room with cool compresses on the eyes is best.
If it’s just the visual, however, nothing will stop it. Just sit back and watch the light show until it passes.

313 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:52:48pm

re: #311 erik_t

I’m still working my way through a giant tub of coarse corn meal I bought in 2005. I think I’ll finish it this fall.

I mean, it’s not like corn meal can go bad.

I thought that, till one of those little black specks started moving.

314 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:52:49pm

re: #308 GeneJockey

HAH! I have cans of pie filling my Mom sent me 10 years ago that were in their basement for untold years before that!

And that’s not even mentioning their spice drawer. How much flavor d’you suppose is still left in the ground allspice that’s been there since before they remodeled the kitchen in 1974?

You have a bookend…

315 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:53:02pm

re: #311 erik_t

I’m still working my way through a giant tub of coarse corn meal I bought in 2005. I think I’ll finish it this fall.

I mean, it’s not like corn meal can go bad.

There are things I will keep past dates.

But this is mostly about getting a clean slate too.

I did go through most of it sometime in 2009, which is probably why the date will stop there (except for the opened in 2006 baking stuff).

316 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:53:13pm

DC Mayor vetoes bill to raise minimum wage

The mayor maintains that the legislation would not help the retail workers of Washington, but instead “would result in significant harm to the residents and areas of the District most in need of jobs, economic development, and new amenities.”

Among the mayor’s issues with the bill are that it does not apply equally to all workers, and that it exempts large retailers with existing labor agreements.

And Wal-Mart rejoices.

317 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:53:15pm

re: #313 GeneJockey

I thought that, till one of those little black specks started moving.

it was just extra protein. Shut up and just eat it…

318 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:53:40pm

re: #313 GeneJockey

I thought that, till one of those little black specks started moving.

WAHHHHH don’t make me flail.

That’s why I’m getting the glass jars with silicone seals.

319 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:54:21pm

Can jello mix go bad?

320 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:54:43pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve had them all my life. Sometimes only once every year or so, sometimes dozens over a few weeks. Very spooky if it’s your first time. But if it’s still happening after 15-20 minutes, get yourself to the ER.

I remember my first very well. Sophomore year literature class. I was asked to read a few paragraphs and when I looked down it started. Freaked me right out. The teacher took me out of the class to what was called ‘the model apartment’ for home economics and had me chill out. She knew what it was.

Comes with artistic, type A, over driven people from my understanding. I had them from 16 until about 35. Eyes first, head thumps second, stomach can even go queasy third. I still feel one try to come on, but I close my eyes, relax my breathing etc., and in minutes all gone.

321 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:55:00pm

re: #239 darthstar

Okay…this is fun.

helloworldquiz.com

Guess the programming language from the Hello World snippet.

hmmm i do mostly c++, Java, and, lately, javascript + jquery. i could recognize LISP easily also and of course BASIC, um and let’s see, prolog and even maybe smalltalk…

but all those ‘small’ languages - foo!

322 abolitionist  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:55:20pm

re: #319 klys

Can jello mix go bad?

If it’s in a bathtub, definitely.

323 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:55:49pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, for full-blown migraines, dark quiet room with cool compresses on the eyes is best.
If it’s just the visual, however, nothing will stop it. Just sit back and watch the light show until it passes.

I used to get migraines in my 20s and 30s. Nothing worked except moaning in a dark room, waiting for the inevitable vomiting. Luckily I found that FOR ME, 4 Advil when I was still in the ‘Is this a migraine?’ stage would stop it dead in its tracks within 20 minutes. I have not gone through the whole thing in a couple decades.

BUT, migraines are nothing if not idiosyncratic, so YM will almost certainly V.

324 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:55:55pm

re: #319 klys

Can jello mix go bad?

has it solidified?
if so, you also have a bookend.

325 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:57:05pm

This Has Been Another Edition Of Meatloaf And Migraines

tune in next week when we plan to discuss lying down in a cool dark room thinking about pre-seasoned breadcrumbs

326 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:57:45pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

You have a bookend…

They used to have some cans of pie filling that had ballooned so much that they were actually supporting the shelf above. We feared to move them, lest either the shelf collapse, or the can explode.

Important note - the acid in fruit will, over time, attack the lining of cans, and then the solder.

327 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:57:54pm

re: #325 dog philosopher

This Has Been Another Edition Of Meatloaf And Migraines

tune in next week when we plan to discuss lying down in a cool dark room thinking about pre-seasoned breadcrumbs

To be fair, I can’t think of a better use of a GG thread.

328 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:58:07pm

re: #320 ObserverArt

I remember my first very well. Sophomore year literature class. I was asked to read a few paragraphs and when I looked down it started. Freaked me right out. The teacher took me out of the class to what was called ‘the model apartment’ for home economics and had me chill out. She knew what it was.

Comes with artistic, type A, over driven people from my understanding. I had them from 16 until about 35. Eyes first, head thumps second, stomach can even go queasy third. I still feel one try to come on, but I close my eyes, relax my breathing etc., and in minutes all gone.

I had my first one when I was about 4 years old, while I was sleeping. I always called it the “electric cat dream”.
Had my second one in my mid 20s. I was reading and all of a sudden it was like I was looking through an old piece of window glass that had a crease in it. Freaked me out. Then the flashing lights started and I said “wow! the electric cat is back!”

329 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:58:34pm

how long will the jello shots last if i make them with formaldehyde?

330 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:59:11pm

re: #329 dog philosopher

how long will the jello shots last if i make them with formaldehyde?

Longer than you.

331 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:59:22pm

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, that would aggravate it. See any flashing lights yet? It would look like lightning, usually in an arc shape.

I saw an article a long time ago (Scientific America - Late 80s) where artists made illustrations and paintings of their auras. When I saw that, and being an artist myself, I finally knew that others can suffer them in the same manner. Their depictions were quite wide ranging. Some fuzzy, some like daggers and lightening bolts.

I hope that is all it is in Kragar’s case.

332 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:59:27pm

re: #327 klys

To be fair, I can’t think of a better use of a GG thread.

useful discussions definitely beat rehashing rehashed hash yet again one more time

333 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 2:59:48pm

re: #326 GeneJockey

They used to have some cans of pie filling that had ballooned so much that they were actually supporting the shelf above. We feared to move them, lest either the shelf collapse, or the can explode.

Important note - the acid in fruit will, over time, attack the lining of cans, and then the solder.

Very VERY true.
I have some small personal experience with that…

334 erik_t  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:00:03pm

re: #327 klys

To be fair, I can’t think of a better use of a GG thread.

Should be Top 10.

335 AlexRogan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:00:39pm

re: #326 GeneJockey

They used to have some cans of pie filling that had ballooned so much that they were actually supporting the shelf above. We feared to move them, lest either the shelf collapse, or the can explode.

Important note - the acid in fruit will, over time, attack the lining of cans, and then the solder.

Mmmm, botulism…

336 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:00:45pm

re: #334 erik_t

Should be Top 10.

This thread is getting me through my pantry. ONE SIDE DOWN. ONE TO GO. And then the buffet table shelves.

337 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:01:25pm

re: #131 Lidane

So the company is bleeding money. Their answer? First, lay off the West Coast Regional Sales Director (i.e., my boss) because he’s somehow at fault. Then lay off the sales person focusing on Southern California to put all your eggs in Silicon Valley. Finally, lay off the one sales person in Texas (i.e., me) and close your office here, pushing all that additional territory on the girl who is moving to Chicago this month, expecting her to pick up the slack for the entire Central time zone.

Seems legit.

{{{Lidane}}}

That just sucks.

338 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:01:30pm

re: #335 AlexRogan

Mmmm, botulism…

Did you know you shouldn’t put raw garlic in olive oil to make garlic flavored olive oil?

At least, that’s what I’m told. We’re still alive, so probably just got lucky.

339 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:02:30pm

re: #332 dog philosopher

useful discussions definitely beat rehashing rehashed hash yet again one more time

I made some hash not too long ago. I had made 2 chunks of Corned Beef, and boiled some buhdayduhs potatoes. It went over very well.

340 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:02:56pm

re: #331 ObserverArt

I saw an article a long time ago (Scientific America - Late 80s) where artists made illustrations and paintings of their auras. When I saw that, and being an artist myself, I finally knew that others can suffer them in the same manner. Their depictions were quit wide ranging. Some fuzzy, some like daggers and lightening bolts.

I hope that is all it is in Kragar’s case.

I remember reading about Van Gogh and that many of his paintings (ie Starry Night) were a result of his eye problem, which was suspected to be caused by lead poisoning from his paints. He painted what he saw.

341 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:03:17pm

re: #335 AlexRogan

Mmmm, botulism…

Nah. Clostridium botulinum can’t take the acid. That’s why you get it in canned meats.

342 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:03:30pm

So I see I’ve arrived in time for Cooking Hour at LGF, where I sit here and get hungrier as people talk about cooking foods that I’d be lucky if I only burned down my house in the process of trying to make.

/

343 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:04:01pm

re: #332 dog philosopher

useful discussions definitely beat rehashing rehashed hash yet again one more time

Speaking of useful, are there any good ways to distinguish benign visual symptoms from the more serious possibilities (detached retina or stroke)?

I first had one of these when I was young enough that my (rather stupid) response at the time was along the lines of “I’m too young to die or go blind, lets see if it goes away”. Since then, I’ve used pattern matching to self-diagnose, which is hardly ideal.

344 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:04:04pm

re: #331 ObserverArt

I saw an article a long time ago (Scientific America - Late 80s) where artists made illustrations and paintings of their auras. When I saw that, and being an artist myself, I finally knew that others can suffer them in the same manner. Their depictions were quit wide ranging. Some fuzzy, some like daggers and lightening bolts.

I hope that is all it is in Kragar’s case.

Mine look like the old film effect that they used to use to depict drug use back in the Seventies. Sort of a curve with a prism kind of look to it. Drives me crazy when it happens. Thank dog I don’t get them very often.

345 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:04:14pm

re: #342 Targetpractice

So I see I’ve arrived in time for Cooking Hour at LGF, where I sit here and get hungrier as people talk about cooking foods that I’d be lucky if I only burned down my house in the process of trying to make.

/

It’s strange you say that about my discussions of cleaning out the pantry.

/want some Pastaroni? Expiration date of 2009.

346 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:04:27pm

Wow, I don’t think I have anything older than 2013…

347 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:04:34pm

re: #341 GeneJockey

Nah. Clostridium botulinum can’t take the acid. That’s why you get it in canned meats.

Yes…more like fermentation run amok with fruits.

348 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:04:52pm

re: #325 dog philosopher

This Has Been Another Edition Of Meatloaf And Migraines

Those topics appear together as a function of Neutral Linking.

349 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:05:34pm

re: #348 wrenchwench

Those topics appear together as a function of Neutral Linking.

I WANT TO STATE CLEARLY THAT MY MEATLOAF DOES NOT APPROVE OF MIGRAINES.

350 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:05:56pm

re: #345 klys

It’s strange you say that about my discussions of cleaning out the pantry.

/want some Pastaroni? Expiration date of 2009.

Might still be good. IIRC, that sort of stuff can last a few years past the “sell-by” date.

351 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:06:09pm

re: #344 makeitstop

Mine look like the old film effect that they used to use to depict drug use back in the Seventies. Sort of a curve with a prism kind of look to it. Drives me crazy when it happens. Thank dog I don’t get them very often.

That’s what mine look like.

352 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:06:17pm

I blame Satty

353 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:06:37pm

re: #350 Targetpractice

Might still be good. IIRC, that sort of stuff can last a few years past the “sell-by” date.

…which is probably why it made it through the last pantry cleanout.

On the other hand, we’re not eating them, and I won’t donate food past the sell-by date. So.

354 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:07:44pm

re: #338 klys

Did you know you shouldn’t put raw garlic in olive oil to make garlic flavored olive oil?

At least, that’s what I’m told. We’re still alive, so probably just got lucky.

OK to put it in butter to make garlic toast? Mmmmmm.

355 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:07:58pm

Fischer: Stopping Terry Jones’ Koran-Burning ‘Is Really No Different Than What The Pharisees Did To Jesus’ - See more at: rightwingwatch.org

356 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:08:04pm

re: #353 klys

…which is probably why it made it through the last pantry cleanout.

On the other hand, we’re not eating them, and I won’t donate food past the sell-by date. So.

Shame to waste food, but sometimes it’s better than rolling the dice with your health.

357 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:08:09pm

re: #343 EPR-radar

Speaking of useful, are there any good ways to distinguish benign visual symptoms from the more serious possibilities (detached retina or stroke)?

I first had one of these when I was young enough that my (rather stupid) response at the time was along the lines of “I’m too young to die or go blind, lets see if it goes away”. Since then, I’ve used pattern matching to self-diagnose, which is hardly ideal.

Since I’m at risk for detached retinas due to extreme myopia, I was told by my eye surgeon that detached retina will present looking like a black curtain falling down or like someone has taken a black magic marker to your field of vision. He showed me some photos that illustrated how it would look.

358 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:08:11pm

Evening Lizardim from the cool and cloudy wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk?

359 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:08:21pm

re: #154 GeneJockey

I used to drive an accountant on another forum crazy by saying that what destroyed GM was the accountants taking over from the Car Guys.

“NO!! It wuz thuh YOONYUNZ!!!!” he’d scream.

I asked, “Who but an accountant would come up with the Chevy Citation, or a Corvette with no guts?”

Ain’t I a stinker?
//

Stupidest GM car EVER: The Cadillac Cimmaron (also marketed as the Catera)

Basically your Chevy Cavalier with some fancy interior/exterior trim and a Cadillac nameplate.

360 erik_t  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:08:37pm

re: #350 Targetpractice

Might still be good. IIRC, that sort of stuff can last a few years past the “sell-by” date.

As I recall, you cannot put a sell-by date that is longer than two years from the date of production.

I mean, how would red vines go bad? That’s not even possible. Red vines will be eating mutated cockroaches after World War III.

361 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:08:43pm

re: #355 Kragar

Fischer: Stopping Terry Jones’ Koran-Burning ‘Is Really No Different Than What The Pharisees Did To Jesus’ - See more at: rightwingwatch.org

Jesus tried to burn the book of a religion that wouldn’t exist for centuries after his expiration?

362 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:08:44pm

re: #354 Justanotherhuman

OK to put it in butter to make garlic toast? Mmmmmm.

I think immediate use or refrigeration is fine. But someone flipped out to see that I’d shoved like 20 cloves into a bottle stored in the cabinet.

Now I just buy the pre-garlic’ed stuff.

363 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:08:47pm

re: #349 klys

I WANT TO STATE CLEARLY THAT MY MEATLOAF DOES NOT APPROVE OF MIGRAINES.

But at least your meatloaf did not cite the migraine as a “benign, temporary self-limiting medical symptom”

364 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:09:02pm

Speaking of expiration dates, did you know that for GLP (Good Lab Practices), EVERYTHING has to have an expiration date? Sure, that makes sense for solutions, but certain pure chemicals just don’t ever go bad.

Sterile water? You know, ‘Sterile’ is an absolute, right? Pasteur disproved Spontaneous Generation of microorganisms in the 19th Century. And even if some evaporates, it’s not like it’s gonna change the concentration!

365 darthstar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:11:01pm
366 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:12:27pm

Fairly certain if the alfredo sauce that expired last year is still good, I don’t want those preservatives in my system.

367 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:13:34pm

re: #364 GeneJockey

Speaking of expiration dates, did you know that for GLP (Good Lab Practices), EVERYTHING has to have an expiration date? Sure, that makes sense for solutions, but certain pure chemicals just don’t ever go bad.

Sterile water? You know, ‘Sterile’ is an absolute, right? Pasteur disproved Spontaneous Generation of microorganisms in the 19th Century. And even if some evaporates, it’s not like it’s gonna change the concentration!

What would make a plastic gallon of distilled water (unopened) evaporate? I was trying to keep it for the iron. I confess, I still iron all-cotton stuff, including bed linens. There was no water on the closet floor. Very mysterious and happened in about 2 wks.

368 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:13:50pm

re: #366 klys

Fairly certain if the alfredo sauce that expired last year is still good, I don’t want those preservatives in my system.

What, you don’t want to leave a well-preserved corpse?

369 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:13:50pm

re: #366 klys

Fairly certain if the alfredo sauce that expired last year is still good, I don’t want those preservatives in my system.

good hunch, that…

370 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:14:31pm

re: #326 GeneJockey

They used to have some cans of pie filling that had ballooned so much that they were actually supporting the shelf above. We feared to move them, lest either the shelf collapse, or the can explode.

Important note - the acid in fruit will, over time, attack the lining of cans, and then the solder.

One of Tim Dorsey’s recent Serge Storms novels, The Riptide Ultra-Glide, features a sequence where Serge ties up his hapless victim on the beach, and drapes over him specialized sandbags that expand upon contact with water.

High tide comes in, and our victim du jour suddenly has 300 pounds of concrete pressing on his chest.

I can see pie filling having the same result.

371 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:14:40pm

Heh, all this talk about expiration dates reminds of my Fallout game sessions, relying upon food whose “sell-by” dates were 200 years in the past for healing sustenance.

Ah well, guess I’ll settle for Skyrim right now.

372 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:15:18pm

re: #367 Justanotherhuman

What would make a plastic gallon of distilled water (unopened) evaporate? I was trying to keep it for the iron. I confess, I still iron all-cotton stuff, including bed linens. There was no water on the closet floor. Very mysterious and happened in about 2 wks.

A leaky cap. A thirsty spouse/SO/child/roommate. A practical joking pouse/SO/child/roommate. Ghosts - thirsty ghosts.

373 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:16:12pm

re: #367 Justanotherhuman

What would make a plastic gallon of distilled water (unopened) evaporate? I was trying to keep it for the iron. I confess, I still iron all-cotton stuff, including bed linens. There was no water on the closet floor. Very mysterious and happened in about 2 wks.

One of my roommates ironed her bed linens. And t-shirts.

I figure I’m doing good if stuff gets folded before it’s worn again.

374 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:17:55pm

“Simmer 55 minutes or until sauce thickens.”

Well. We’re 2 hours in and it doesn’t seem to be thickening.

375 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:18:41pm

re: #374 klys

“Simmer 55 minutes or until sauce thickens.”

Well. We’re 2 hours in and it doesn’t seem to be thickening.

check the plot

376 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:18:55pm

re: #372 GeneJockey

A leaky cap. A thirsty spouse/SO/child/roommate. A practical joking pouse/SO/child/roommate. Ghosts - thirsty ghosts.

Leaky cap, then. We buy spring or drinking water to drink. Those galllon jugs do well in the fridge. On a well and I don’t trust it for drinking.

377 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:20:07pm

re: #373 klys

One of my roommates ironed her bed linens. And t-shirts.

I figure I’m doing good if stuff gets folded before it’s worn again.

My Mom HATED ironing. She had an ‘Ironing basket’ of clothes that needed it and couldn’t be faked out by ‘dryer ironing’ them. It would get more and more full, till one night she’d have my Dad drag the ironing board down to the TV room, and she’d iron and watch TV, standing in the doorway from the living room. The living room chandelier would be festooned with hangers of newly-ironed clothes, and shirts and pants you hadn’t seen for weeks or months reappeared in your closet.

Often, they no longer fit, what with growth and all.

378 erik_t  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:21:18pm

re: #371 Targetpractice

Heh, all this talk about expiration dates reminds of my Fallout game sessions, relying upon food whose “sell-by” dates were 200 years in the past for healing sustenance.

Ah well, guess I’ll settle for Skyrim right now.

I used to be a gamer like you, then I took an expired arrow in the knee.

379 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:21:38pm

The war on Christmas has begun again:

Image: baviZER.jpg

380 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:21:59pm

re: #374 klys

“Simmer 55 minutes or until sauce thickens.”

Well. We’re 2 hours in and it doesn’t seem to be thickening.

Chuck some arrowroot in there.

381 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:22:31pm

re: #379 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The war on Christmas has begun again:

Image: baviZER.jpg

I’ll take a free tree.

382 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:23:35pm

re: #380 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Chuck some arrowroot in there.

You know, I read this as responding to #378 and not me and it fit so perfectly.

I have no arrowroot. :( I will probably just freeze it and deal; the excess will hopefully cook off during reheating.

383 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:26:21pm

re: #378 erik_t

I used to be a gamer like you, then I took an expired arrow in the knee.

The fun part is finding references to that meme in other video games. I found one when I was questing in World of Warcraft. I groaned out loud. The Mrs. Fish looked at me like I was nuts.

384 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:29:05pm

Dave Carney is a GOP campaign manager in Texas.

385 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:29:21pm

re: #316 Eclectic Cyborg

Workers can expect no help from politicians. Any of them. It is going to take mass demonstrations and maybe more.

386 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:29:58pm

re: #374 klys

“Simmer 55 minutes or until sauce thickens.”

Well. We’re 2 hours in and it doesn’t seem to be thickening.

about a tablespoon or less of cornstarch mixed in about half a cup of cool water. Mix it up good, then stir into the sauce.

387 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:30:14pm

Just put the FULL tray of silicone cupcake liners full of sauce in the freezer. REALLY glad I got the jumbo size as they held a cup exactly.

Now to figure out what to do with the stuff that didn’t fit.

388 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:30:59pm

Any updates about Colorado?

389 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:32:28pm

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

about a tablespoon or less of cornstarch mixed in about half a cup of cool water. Mix it up good, then stir into the sauce.

I had a roommate once add the cornstarch directly to the soup.

And then attempt to squish the clumps by hand.

She very nearly got a whisk for her wedding.

390 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:33:45pm

re: #148 lawhawk

Update on the fire. The firefighters are now working on just trying to keep the fire from spreading further. They’re on containment and can’t fight the structures already aflame. Lack of water is a problem. They’ve got high winds to worry about too.

And then there’s the huge flooding in Colorado where they got months worth of rain within hours. Roads wiped out - dams failed, debris blocking roads and rails. Huge issues affecting 2m+. At least three people have died in Colorado.

Unbelievable.

391 Gus  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:34:19pm

re: #388 ProTARDISLiberal

Any updates about Colorado?

Stopped raining where I’m at in Denver.

392 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:34:43pm

re: #389 klys

I had a roommate once add the cornstarch directly to the soup.

And then attempt to squish the clumps by hand.

She very nearly got a whisk for her wedding.

yeah, it needs to be mixed REAL good before pouring into the hot stuff and then some constant stirring while it thickens.

393 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:35:31pm

Yikes. Had no cable Internet for a couple of hours there, and the 3G reception where I live is not good.

Thanks Obama.

394 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:35:56pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah, it needs to be mixed REAL good before pouring into the hot stuff and then some constant stirring while it thickens.

I love her dearly. I put together a day-of wedding kit for her (I was a bridesmaid) because I know her.

The incident with the cornstarch says much.

395 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:36:04pm

Close encounters with the meat world.

396 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:36:16pm

Not that I’m addicted to the Internet or anything. I can quit any time.

397 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:36:22pm

re: #393 Charles Johnson

Pfft, I figured you just hate us all, Charles.

Or meatloaf.

398 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:36:44pm

re: #396 Charles Johnson

Not that I’m addicted to the Internet or anything. I can quit any time.

Oh please. You probably Wikiwalk in your sleep.

///

399 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:37:32pm

re: #398 thedopefishlives

Oh please. You probably Wikiwalk in your sleep.

///

I DON’T KNOW HOW THE WET T-SHIRT TAB OPENED ITSELF, I SWEAR!

400 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:38:26pm

re: #396 Charles Johnson

Not that I’m addicted to the Internet or anything. I can quit any time.

Go to Yosemite. Wawona in particular. That’ll cure your lack of Internet addiction addiction.

401 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:40:31pm

re: #399 klys

I DON’T KNOW HOW THE WET T-SHIRT TAB OPENED ITSELF, I SWEAR!

Wait - there’s a wet T-shirt tab?

402 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:40:47pm

re: #396 Charles Johnson

Not that I’m addicted to the Internet or anything. I can quit any time.

Do you still mess about on the ol’ six-string? You know, just in such times.

403 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:41:57pm

re: #399 klys

I DON’T KNOW HOW THE WET T-SHIRT TAB OPENED ITSELF, I SWEAR!

Chrome’s Incognito mode is a wonderful thing.

/Oh hi, Mrs. Fish, I didn’t see you standing there

404 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:42:17pm

re: #401 GeneJockey

Wait - there’s a wet T-shirt tab?

Bullshit, you have to pay cash in advance.

405 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:42:18pm

re: #251 klys

So, since there are some folks around here who might know:

How hard is it to make matzo balls from scratch? I keep mix around to make for the husband when he’s not feeling well (he likes them in chicken noodle soup) but I wouldn’t mind trying to make them from scratch once if it’s not too bad.

Just use the Maneschevitz matzo ball mix. Trust me, it’s not worth taking all that matzo and crushing it up.

Oh wait you wanted to use plain “matzo meal”? DON’T DO THAT. YOU DON’T KNOW HOW OLD THAT SHIT IS.

Most store who sell matzo meal really only sell it once a year. And because it doesn’t go bad, most stores, even the ones in heavily Jewish areas, keep the unsold boxes for like forever.

The Maneschevitz mix is just regular matzo meal with some salt added, but it moves faster than the plain kind so it’s less likely to be stale. The mix now comes in a “sodium free” version which is GUESS WHAT—just regular matzo meal.

The mix is the only way to go.

406 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:42:32pm

re: #401 GeneJockey

re: #403 thedopefishlives

You were just doing research, right?

407 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:43:07pm

re: #402 ObserverArt

Oh yeah, I mess around. I like to experiment on things with Logic, the Mac audio program.

408 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:43:57pm

re: #405 Vicious Babushka

I will take your word for it.

Growing up the only folks I knew who were Jewish were semi-practicing at best, so… can I adopt you?

409 klys  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:45:02pm

Science Channel, you were great as background noise until you started talking about 9/11.

410 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:45:17pm

re: #406 klys

re: #403 thedopefishlives

You were just doing research, right?

Everyone knows images are the greatest way to perform bandwidth tests.

411 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:45:43pm

Exclusive: J.J. Abrams Apologizes for His Lens Flares

412 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:45:47pm
413 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:48:13pm

Heh … just checked out some of the reply threads for GG’s tweets - he was subtweeting insults about me all morning without mentioning me by name. I think I may have gotten a bit under his skin.

414 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:48:14pm

re: #412 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

“Web connection goes out, web connection comes in - you can’t explain that!”

415 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:49:10pm

re: #413 Charles Johnson

Heh … just checked out some of the reply thread for GG’s tweets - he was subtweeting insults about me all morning without mentioning me by name. I think I may have gotten a bit under his skin.

What, he didn’t even Neutral Link to your tweets?

416 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:50:13pm

re: #410 thedopefishlives

Everyone knows images are the greatest way to perform bandwidth tests.

Skin tones, too - it’s important to set your monitor color settings right, and skin tones are great for that…

417 piratedan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:50:28pm

re: #415 GeneJockey

What, he didn’t even Neutral Link to your tweets?

he didn’t want to appear to be endorsing them…. //

418 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:50:31pm

re: #407 Charles Johnson

Oh yeah, I mess around. I like to experiment on things with Logic, the Mac audio program.

Good. Music soothes many a beast no matter the level of talent. I think the guitar is the greatest instrument ever. Nothing seems to express individual style/nuance/expression like guitars. And one of the great features around here are the many guitar videos you post up.

419 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:50:32pm

No Internet? The world would collapse in under a day.

420 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:50:37pm

re: #404 Kragar

So, how did your eye experience turn out?
OK?

421 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:51:29pm

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, how did your eye experience turn out?
OK?

Cleared up, got a mild headache.

422 thedopefishlives  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:51:47pm

re: #416 GeneJockey

Skin tones, too - it’s important to set your monitor color settings right, and skin tones are great for that…

The Mrs. Fish just got new glasses. If I even thought about trying anything, she’d probably spot me. Of course, I usually don’t have to worry about it because she is very pleasing to the eye.

423 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:52:01pm

So, someone built this completely out of spare parts

Image: tumblr_mmribmCYdq1rue4a1o1_500+-+Copy.jpg

424 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:52:32pm

I’ve been here - stayed almost a week there on tour with Al Jarreau one summer. Awesome place.

425 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:52:55pm

re: #414 GeneJockey

“Web connection goes out, web connection comes in - you can’t explain that!”

Just the NSA logging in and using a few of the resources. They won’t admit it though.

426 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:52:57pm

re: #423 Kragar

Did that visual stuff go away?

427 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:54:03pm

re: #426 Charles Johnson

Did that visual stuff go away?

My Mom told me if I didn’t stop, that visual stuff would go away.

428 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:55:02pm

re: #426 Charles Johnson

Yeah, just left with a headache.

429 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:55:14pm

re: #421 Kragar

Yeah, that definitely has all the symptoms of a migraine. I get them sometimes.

430 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:55:32pm

re: #421 Kragar

Cleared up, got a mild headache.

good deal. First time is scary. Hopefully it won’t happen again.

431 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:55:37pm

re: #427 GeneJockey

My Mom told me if I didn’t stop, that visual stuff would go away.

My dad once said “You’ll go blind doing that.”

I told him, “Dad, I’m over here.”

432 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:56:31pm

re: #423 Kragar

So, someone built this completely out of spare parts

Image: tumblr_mmribmCYdq1rue4a1o1_500+-+Copy.jpg

very cool!

433 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:57:29pm

re: #421 Kragar

Cleared up, got a mild headache.

Good. As everyone has mentioned, you might find yourself experiencing them again. Join the club. And if they do come, you’ll almost get a precursor of it coming on so you can deal with it right off. No lights, cool, relaxed breathing. Maybe even a quick nap. Good to go.

434 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:57:37pm

re: #419 Targetpractice

No Internet? The world would collapse in under a day.

Well, at least there would be plenty of hair pulling and gnashing of teeth.

I’d get more exercise.

435 Kragar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:58:27pm

re: #432 Backwoods_Sleuth

very cool!

I can see a Land Raider, a speeder, a defiler, a predator, a few sentinels and a few few other kits mixed in there.

436 AlexRogan  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:58:40pm

re: #359 Vicious Babushka

Stupidest GM car EVER: The Cadillac Cimmaron (also marketed as the Catera)

Basically your Chevy Cavalier with some fancy interior/exterior trim and a Cadillac nameplate.

The Cimarron and the Catera were two distinctly different cars: the Cimarron, as you say, was basically a mid-to-late-80s Cavalier with Caddy trim, but the 1997-2001 Catera was a rebadge/retrim of the German-built Opel Omega.

Same concept, different platforms, different times, same results; Americans didn’t really cotton to a foreign-built mid-size Caddy, even though, from what I heard, it was fairly well-built.

437 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:59:36pm

It’d be nice if the people bitching about the Colorado recall just admitted one thing, that in a purely pragmatic analysis Bloomberg’s ego and the push for gun control fucked over a lot of people. I’m not seeing much of that.

In the single issue freakout that followed Aurora and Newtown only a few voices dared raise the issues of finite political capital and the historical backlash generated by each new set of gun regs.

Angela Giron’s replacement is a paleolithic, anti abortion bigot who opposes gay marriage because “words have meaning,” and who plans to gut the tax base and fuck over the education system by expanding vouchers. All issues diametrically opposed by Giron.

John Morse’s recall opponent, Bernie Herpin:

Council campaign literature has him staunchly opposed to gay marriage, abortion rights, ‘entitlement’ programs and gun control.

If you want to whine about what happened, fine. If you want to rail against the state of American politics and have a grand old bitch-fest, then by all means indulge yourselves and get it out of your systems.

What you shouldn’t do is forget or go back into denial, then fuck us all over again in another couple of years. Take a good long look in the mirror and own this shit.

438 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:04:12pm

Update on CO floods (CNN, but WTH).

cnn.com

Lyons, a small town of 2,000 near the foothills of the Rocky Mountains, was cut off by what city officials described as a 500-year flood.

“We ask you to conserve resources during this time,” the city told its residents on Facebook. “We are currently not able to get water or food into the town.”

People were using the city’s Facebook page to search for loved ones, hunt for medicine and even ask for pet food while waiting for rescuers to arrive.

National Guard rescuers reached Lyons with humanitarian aid Thursday night, Prentup said, but the town remained otherwise cut off.

439 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:04:20pm

re: #418 ObserverArt

Good. Music soothes many a beast no matter the level of talent. I think the guitar is the greatest instrument ever. Nothing seems to express individual style/nuance/expression like guitars. And one of the great features around here are the many guitar videos you post up.

I’m sitting in my office, surrounded by 13 guitars in cases - the ones that go out on gigs that haven’t made it back into the guitar closet yet.

I’ve got two of them out and have been breaking from work and noodling throughout the day. Great stress-breaker.

440 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:04:22pm

re: #436 AlexRogan

The Cimarron and the Catera were two distinctly different cars: the Cimarron, as you say, was basically a mid-to-late-80s Cavalier with Caddy trim, but the 1997-2001 Catera was a rebadge/retrim of the German-built Opel Omega.

Same concept, different platforms, different times, same results; Americans didn’t really cotton to a foreign-built mid-size Caddy, even though, from what I heard, it was fairly well-built.

Badge engineering or rebadging is the application of a different brand or trademark to an existing product (e.g., an automobile) and subsequently marketing the variant as a distinct product

wikipedia article gives a lot of interesting examples of this

441 Arrrr, matey!  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:04:59pm

Migraines are fun!
/

442 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:05:45pm

re: #437 goddamnedfrank

As we discussed yesterday, Gun Control is what Democrats do when they get tired of winning elections.

443 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:12:28pm
444 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:15:10pm

re: #437 goddamnedfrank

I think there are two aspects to that. On the one hand, gun control is not a winning issue for Democrats. But on the other, the Right has gone so far out into the wings on this one, that even laws deemed perfectly reasonable for decades are now too restrictive for them.

445 Jack Burton  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:19:44pm

re: #428 Kragar

Yeah, just left with a headache.

I’ve gotten them so bad before that I’ve completely lost vision in one eye for a short time. The first time it happened I thought I was having a stroke.

446 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:20:41pm

re: #444 GeneJockey

I think there are two aspects to that. On the one hand, gun control is not a winning issue for Democrats. But on the other, the Right has gone so far out into the wings on this one, that even laws deemed perfectly reasonable for decades are now too restrictive for them.

E.g., the bill in MO that was an attempt to nullify all Federal gun laws in that state. The Governor’s veto was upheld by a single vote in the MO state senate. Had this passed into state law, we could have had a Federal-State confrontation over guns, which would be the biggest fundraising bonanza imaginable for the NRA et al.

Even if the Democrats were to do nothing on this issue ever again, the RW paranoia is in a positive feedback loop on this issue.

447 urbanmeemaw  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:43:25pm

re: #396 Charles Johnson

So you are not “grid-dicted”?

448 Sherlock Hound  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:44:27pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

I dropped a liberal group from my FB feed when they posted something similar to this. Monsters.

449 Sherlock Hound  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 4:48:33pm

re: #77 Ian G.
And not to mention, he last said, “Shop at my stores and you won’t get sick!”
I only shop at Whole Paycheck when I have to.

450 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 13, 2013 6:14:40am

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