Who’s Really the “Loser” in the Syria Deal?

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A short essay on the Syrian crisis deal, in the form of embedded tweets.

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222 comments
1 Amory Blaine  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 5:57:30pm

Plus it puts the onus on Assad and Putin as we have their word now where as before we had denial.

2 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 5:59:56pm

I don’t know if I’d consider Obama the loser but this does too like a win for Russia.
How Putin Turned Moscow Back Into a Middle East Powerhouse
In regards to Syria I suppose it depends on how long Assad can hold out. Until recently I thought his days were numbered but now it looks like he’ll be around indefinitely.

3 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:00:53pm

It’s also exposed a big part of the right-wing as disloyal, unpatriotic Putin fanboys and Kremlin sympathizers.

4 Jack Burton  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:01:51pm

Because Obama Derangement Syndrome, that’s why.

5 klys  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:09:57pm

It has been fantastic to watch people contort themselves to avoid giving Obama any possible credit.

6 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:10:37pm
7 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:14:47pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Article is behind a paywall. I got a glimpse of the lede before the paywall page covered it up.

The gist: Obama fumbled. Putin grabbed the ball and made a TD.

In my book, Obama didn’t fumble, but played politics in a very sly way. He knew Putin was trying to shore up Assad with arms and cash, which means Putin could influence Assad to find some middle way to avoid out-and-out US military strikes. For all his bluster, Putin doesn’t want to get pulled into a Mideast conflict. I hope he remembers the lessons of Afghanistan. So Obama lets Putin gain a little face globally, gets the chemical weapons under lock and key (the actual goal of the operation), and avoids even more violence. Seems like a win-win for everyone, even (unfortunately) Assad.

8 b.d.  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:16:19pm

The whole thing is rather Tom Sawyerish.

Putin is whitewashing our fence, bitching us out, while the wingnuts on both sides fall in love with his genius?

I don’t get it either Charles.

9 HappyWarrior  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:19:43pm

I think the Obama administration handled this better than the Bush one did in the lead up to Iraq and I’ll take that any day.

10 aagcobb  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:20:26pm

re: #8 b.d.

The whole thing is rather Tom Sawyerish.

Putin is whitewashing our fence, bitching us out, while the wingnuts on both sides fall in love with his genius?

I don’t get it either Charles.

Its very simple. Everything Obama does is wrong, so if something goes right the credit has to go to someone else./

11 piratedan  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:22:06pm

come on now, that can’t do that tired old story again can they? You know, the one where the guy in the WH plays a crappy hand and comes away with the pot? been done… besides, it would spoil their narrative, can’t have that.

12 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:22:44pm

re: #8 b.d.

The whole thing is rather Tom Sawyerish.

Putin is whitewashing our fence, bitching us out, while the wingnuts on both sides fall in love with his genius?

I don’t get it either Charles.

The ODS type want Obama to make some heroic, cowboy-like stand, and fail. Instead, Obama acts the clever politician that he is, and essentially lets Putin share the world stage while Obama gets what he wanted — no CWs.

Or to put in Trek terms, the PDS sufferers wanted a Kirk to fail, but instead they got a Picard that succeeded.

13 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:24:19pm

Winners:
The list of winners is short.

Obama.
Assad.
Putin/Russia.

Losers?
Syrian people, Obama, Assad, Putin, Russia, UN, chemical weapons convention, Arab League, Syrian rebels (all groups, from moderates to Islamists to al Qaeda).

The rationale?

Obama is on both sides of the ledger. He gets to avoid using military force and manages to set the ground rules for eliminating Assad’s chemical weapons stocks. However, Assad is still in power, and this takes the pressure off Assad while allowing the status quo to continue. Assad still maintains control conventional weapons and can continue to go after the same rebels that he’s targeted with his chemical weapons.

Assad is on both sides. He loses because he’s not only had to admit having CW, but has to give them up. He wins because doing so gives him time and space in which to operate against the rebels.

Rebels lose because they don’t get Assad’s head on a platter.

Putin? Loses because he’s not only had to admit that Assad had CW, but that his earlier statements supporting Assad were BS. But Russia gets a plus because they retain a client state for at least a little while longer.

The CWC and other human rights laws take a hit because for all the certainty that the attacks occurred and the blame rests with Assad, there’s no one who is going to put Assad into the docket tomorrow. Or anytime soon.

The biggest loser are the Syrians who just want to live in peace without Assad’s forces committing all kinds of human rights violations (or worrying about the rebels doing the same).

14 Cheechako  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:24:39pm

I think it’s funny watching the Republican “Hawks” morph into “Doves”.

15 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:27:10pm

I bring no whiskey.

16 klys  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:27:38pm

re: #15 Gus

I bring no whiskey.

You weren’t supposed to drink it all before you got here.

17 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:28:17pm

re: #16 klys

You weren’t supposed to drink it all before you got here.

That would be tragic.

18 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:28:36pm

re: #16 klys

You weren’t supposed to drink it all before you got here.

Now stumble out of here and get us another bottle.

19 b.d.  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:29:37pm

re: #15 Gus

I bring no whiskey.

What am I supposed to do with all this ice?

20 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:29:57pm

I know what a 3M Red Dot looks like now.

21 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:30:11pm

re: #19 b.d.

What am I supposed to do with all this ice?

Make lime water.

22 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:33:57pm

I’m not willing to call winners or losers here except in the broad sense, and politically, I think Pres Obama has accomplished what he set out to do. Syria will be emptied of CWs, but we don’t know, with any exactitude, how Assad’s war on his people is going to turn out.

At some point, the UN is going to have to step in with peacekeepers and Syrians are going to have to demand new elections.

At least, that’s the direction I hope things take, to stop the conventional carnage and to allow refugees to return home.

23 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:34:09pm

The details of how the CW get under control is going to be key.

Putin had sought to block action under Article VII of the UN Charter, and yet the final deal references Article VII - using force is permissible. That still needs to get Security Council approval to act, but it’s something that Russia had been trying to avoid from the outset.

Giving in on Article VII is huge - and a big blow to what Putin had been pushing, unless he was never really backing that position in the first place.

Still, no one should expect that getting the CW under intl control will be easy, and it’s possible that they could still fall into the wrong hands.

24 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:35:09pm

I have to quit drinking. Like for serious. Otherwise. Kaput.

25 HappyWarrior  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:35:48pm

Honestly, I think this shows you the foolishness of the “There’s no difference between the two parties.” I don’t think McCain’s administration had he been elected handled it this way and I don’t think Romney given Romney’s foreign policy adviser choice of Bolton would have either. I do feel bad for the Syrian people of course but I am relieved that this was solved without military force.

26 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:36:39pm

re: #24 Gus

I have to quit drinking. Like for serious. Otherwise. Kaput.

Doctor’s orders?

27 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:40:35pm

re: #22 Justanotherhuman

I’m not willing to call winners or losers here except in the broad sense, and politically, I think Pres Obama has accomplished what he set out to do. Syria will be emptied of CWs, but we don’t know, with any exactitude, how Assad’s war on his people is going to turn out.

At some point, the UN is going to have to step in with peacekeepers and Syrians are going to have to demand new elections.

At least, that’s the direction I hope things take, to stop the conventional carnage and to allow refugees to return home.

There are too many Islamists in Syria now to send peacekeepers. They’d be under major terrorist pressure and would likely be rendered ineffective.

28 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:40:57pm

re: #26 wheat-dogghazi

Doctor’s orders?

A doctor.

29 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:42:22pm

Also took two days off pain killers. Argh. Heating pads to the rescue.

30 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:44:10pm

Ugh. My grandson bought a fifth of cinnamon After Shock last night for a little party w/the neighbors. Luckily, several people shared it.

At 22, he hasn’t found a favorite yet, he’s still in the experimental stage. He doesn’t drink all that much, a few beers now and then—both his parents had problems w/alcohol, and so did his maternal grandparents, both of whom died in their early 60s from alcohol-related illnesses, and neither of his parents are in very good health, either.

31 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:47:51pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

The terrorists would be attacking them.

The FSA helped the Al-Nusra Front in attacking Maasoula last week. My Imam is against an intervention. As am I.

32 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:48:52pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

There are too many Islamists in Syria now to send peacekeepers. They’d be under major terrorist pressure and would likely be rendered ineffective.

I don’t know what you mean by “Islamists”.

33 nines09  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:48:54pm

Homer says it best.

34 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:49:09pm

re: #29 Gus

Also took two days off pain killers. Argh. Heating pads to the rescue.

Well, whiskey and pain killers are not a good combo, anyway. Sorry to hear about your pain, though.

35 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:49:11pm

re: #19 b.d.

What am I supposed to do with all this ice?

Shave it and make ices?

36 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:52:48pm

So have to do this cold turkey?

37 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:53:12pm

Got an EKG sticky and HM sticky on my keyboard.

38 nines09  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:53:39pm

re: #36 Gus

Ativan 5mg 2 or 3 times daily. Helped a friend of mine.

39 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:53:52pm

re: #31 ProTARDISLiberal

The terrorists would be attacking them.

The FSA helped the Al-Nusra Front in attacking Maasoula last week. My Imam is against an intervention. As am I.

The FSA is helping Al Nusra, which has tied to Al Qaeda and is loyal to al Zawahiri? Al Nusra is considered a terrorist org by the UN, the US and several other countries.

I’m assuming you’re talking about the Free Syrian Army?

40 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:55:30pm

re: #38 nines09

Ativan 5mg 2 or 3 times daily. Helped a friend of mine.

2.0 wine?

41 nines09  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 6:57:24pm

re: #40 Gus
Near beer?

42 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:01:43pm

re: #39 Justanotherhuman

Yes, I am. And I spelled it wrong. It is Maaloula.

43 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:07:12pm
How does it make the US look weak to resolve a crisis without bombing?

Because real men and real nations use violence to solve problems!!!11!ty Diplomacy is for fags!

44 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:08:29pm

Meanwhile, in Libya:

45 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:09:09pm

re: #11 piratedan

come on now, that can’t do that tired old story again can they? You know, the one where the guy in the WH plays a crappy hand and comes away with the pot? been done… besides, it would spoil their narrative, can’t have that.

“Yeah well… sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand. “

46 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:11:45pm

re: #32 Justanotherhuman

I don’t know what you mean by “Islamists”.

It means radicals who want a theocratic state. These come in both groups willing to use elections and move more slowly, such as the Muslim Brotherhood, and those who want to transform things completely overnight with a bloody revolution, such as Al Qaeda. Though their methods differ, both varieties share the same basic goals.

47 blueraven  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:14:55pm

re: #20 Gus

I know what a 3M Red Dot looks like now.

Monitoring? What’s up?

48 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:18:03pm

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

Fortunately, the MB is on the defensive. Lost power due to their actions in Egypt, and in Libya very unpopular amongst the Conservative east of the country (Only support is in Misrata). Meanwhile, they are also losing power in Tunisia due to their actions.

They have caused things in Libya to grind to a halt though. LIbya is in legitimate danger of a coup by the Misratans. However, the peoples of the Nafusa Mountains have also been planning for an eventuality like that. They are also arming up. It is likely the MB will try to seize power by force. They will also likely be stopped by the combination of Benghazi (Cyrenaica) and Zintan (The towns of the Nafusa Mountains.)

49 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:21:44pm

re: #48 ProTARDISLiberal

Tripoli, despite being the largest city in Libya by a very wide margin, is now a pawn between the MB (Misrata), and the secularists, both Conservative (Benghazi/Cyrenaica) and more liberal (Zintan/Nafusa Moutnains.)

However, there is no real antagonism between the two secularist wings.

50 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:22:25pm

re: #42 ProTARDISLiberal

Yes, I am. And I spelled it wrong. It is Maaloula.

Given the contempt al Nusra has for the FSA, I would take any reports with a grain of salt.

Syria’s al-Nusra Front - ruthless, organised and taking control

Special report: The main jihadi group is marshalling its resources shrewdly, and the ‘emir of gas’ is impressed

theguardian.com

I don’t see any MSM reports of this actually occurring as a planned invasion by the FSA, and many of those reports are being featured on American right wing sites and through Youtube videos, and sites like this: facebook.com

51 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:22:52pm

re: #47 blueraven

Monitoring? What’s up?

Visited the walk in clinic then related to my subsequent comments about quitting the booze. Don’t want to give too many details.

52 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:24:52pm

re: #50 Justanotherhuman

The FSA is much more weak than Al-Nusra. At some point, they will likely fall to them. You can thank Erdogan and the Upper Gulf Monarchies for that.

53 blueraven  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:25:45pm

I don’t know why everything has to be a zero sum game for some people.

I see a win/win, and if this thing works out the Syrian people could well be the eventual winners.

Not naive, I know its a long shot, but about the best option available.

54 jamesfirecat  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:26:06pm

re: #48 ProTARDISLiberal

Fortunately, the MB is on the defensive. Lost power due to their actions in Egypt, and in Libya very unpopular amongst the Conservative east of the country (Only support is in Misrata). Meanwhile, they are also losing power in Tunisia due to their actions.

They have caused things in Libya to grind to a halt though. LIbya is in legitimate danger of a coup by the Misratans. However, the peoples of the Nafusa Mountains have also been planning for an eventuality like that. They are also arming up. It is likely the MB will try to seize power by force. They will also likely be stopped by the combination of Benghazi (Cyrenaica) and Zintan (The towns of the Nafusa Mountains.)

You said BENGHAZI!


Everyone take a drink!

55 blueraven  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:28:06pm

re: #51 Gus

Visited the walk in clinic then related to my subsequent comments about quitting the booze. Don’t want to give too many details.

(((Gus))) Listen to them!

56 b_sharp  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:28:30pm

re: #51 Gus

Visited the walk in clinic then related to my subsequent comments about quitting the booze. Don’t want to give too many details.

Take care of yourself dammit!

57 jamesfirecat  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:30:17pm

re: #51 Gus

Visited the walk in clinic then related to my subsequent comments about quitting the booze. Don’t want to give too many details.

re: #54 jamesfirecat

You said BENGHAZI!

Everyone take a drink!

And the award for worst timing of a joke goes to…. Me.


I’ll, see myself out folks you’ve been a lovely audience and don’t forget to purchase half price torches and pitch forks on your way out!

58 Kragar  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:30:32pm


Yeah, being told you’re not special little snowflakes is religious cleansing.

59 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:31:16pm

re: #55 blueraven

(((Gus))) Listen to them!

re: #56 b_sharp

Take care of yourself dammit!

I’ve got some killer leaf and a heating pad!

60 Cinnabar  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:31:44pm

re: #57 jamesfirecat

And the award for worst timing of a joke goes to…. Me.

I’ll, see myself out folks you’ve been a lovely audience and don’t forget to purchase half price torches and pitch forks on your way out!

Hey, you didn’t say what we were supposed to drink. My favorite poison happens to be coffee.

61 blueraven  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:32:55pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

“Yeah well… sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand. “

+1 for Paul Newman

62 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:33:56pm

Was going way over board with the OTC painkillers though. Maybe 3 max but just about every day since the end of January. The one that really messed up the most the night before? 2 baby aspirin.

63 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:34:38pm

re: #61 blueraven

+1 for Paul Newman

Cool Hand Prez.

64 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:36:14pm

re: #54 jamesfirecat

Benghazi was about as pleased with that Consulate Attack as we were.

Which is too say that they were spitting nails. It did not do a whole lot to help Islamists in Libya. In fact, along with MB duplicity during the war in supporting both sides, it gave them an inoculation against them in the same way Bangladesh has one.

65 b_sharp  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:38:44pm

re: #62 Gus

Was going way over board with the OTC painkillers though. Maybe 3 max but just about every day since the end of January. The one that really messed up the most the night before? 2 baby aspirin.

Becoming addicted isn’t something you want to do.

66 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:41:30pm

re: #65 b_sharp

Becoming addicted isn’t something you want to do.

On all of the above but on that’s I’ve gone cold turkey for 2 days. Doable. Hurts like an SOB.

67 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:42:51pm

I’m going to invent tight but bulky looking heated pants.

68 b_sharp  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:42:59pm

re: #66 Gus

On all of the above but on that’s I’ve gone cold turkey for 2 days. Doable. Hurts like an SOB.

Good man.

69 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:43:14pm

re: #66 Gus

On all of the above but on that’s I’ve gone cold turkey for 2 days. Doable. Hurts like and SOB.

Doc said to go cold turkey? Not always advised with some stuff.

70 steve_davis  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:43:16pm

re: #62 Gus

Was going way over board with the OTC painkillers though. Maybe 3 max but just about every day since the end of January. The one that really messed up the most the night before? 2 baby aspirin.

Be careful with the painkillers. 3x OTC=potential massive liver damage

71 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:43:45pm

Cars.

72 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:48:51pm

By now I would have been on a second tumbler.

73 b_sharp  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:52:04pm

re: #72 Gus

By now I would have been on a second tumbler.

Don’t dwell on it buddy.

74 Arrrr, matey!  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 7:59:15pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Keep telling yourself that.

75 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:01:40pm

re: #73 b_sharp

Don’t dwell on it buddy.

Just put a new bandage on the IV wound and it feels good. Had 2.5 inches of a sub for dinner. Burp. Came with salads. Belly isn’t churning per usual. I hear things but not the former. I don’t expect to be perfect.

76 Arrrr, matey!  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:03:32pm

re: #75 Gus

Just put a new bandage on the IV wound and it feels good. Had 2.5 inches of a sub for dinner. Burp. Came with salads. Belly isn’t churning per usual. I hear things but not the former. I don’t expect to be perfect.

Whoa, you ok?

77 b_sharp  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:10:56pm

re: #75 Gus

Just put a new bandage on the IV wound and it feels good. Had 2.5 inches of a sub for dinner. Burp. Came with salads. Belly isn’t churning per usual. I hear things but not the former. I don’t expect to be perfect.

This is what is wrong with social media, you can’t just drive over to a friend’s place.

78 Stanley Sea  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:15:59pm

Gus, hang in there. You will I hope.

I just had dinner with my ex-sister in law. We both bailed on the brothers and love each other beyond anything.

Her boyfriend has non hodgkin’s lymphoma. Aggressive chemo. He has infection now and they admitted him to the hospital.

So wrenching. All I can do is be there and try to make her laugh. Going to visit him tomorrow.

Life is hard.

79 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:19:40pm

{{{{{{To All}}}}}}

Thanks!

80 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:22:56pm

re: #74 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Keep telling yourself that.

No, no—we’re the ones with confirmation bias. Only certain people can discern truth amid all the slanted reporting & outrageous outrage, and we’re not among them.

81 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:23:16pm

So. Hunts tomato sauce!

82 Arrrr, matey!  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:24:12pm

re: #81 Gus

So. Hunts tomato sauce!

Roasted asparagus.
Yum yum.

83 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:25:24pm

I just read the story about weev, and that thread.

I wanted to punch through a wall.

84 ThomasLite  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:28:27pm

re: #13 lawhawk

The CWC and other human rights laws take a hit because for all the certainty that the attacks occurred and the blame rests with Assad, there’s no one who is going to put Assad into the docket tomorrow. Or anytime soon.

How do you figure? Even with substantial Russian backing he still didn’t attain much with the use of those weapons and the only way he got away with it without getting his ass bombed six ways to sunday was to not only give up all CW, but let a bunch of UN (or somesuch) inspectors poke around.
…And we all know how much your average neighborhood despot loves inspectors poking around.

Sure, he didn’t get instantly carted off to the Hague (really though, who’s actually all that afraid of that now anyway?) but it didn’t pay and he’s visibly suffering (somewhat) for it.
I’d say this shows other potential candidates that use of CW doesn’t pay pretty well, actually.

85 bratwurst  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:30:06pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

No, no—we’re the ones with confirmation bias. Only certain people can discern truth amid all the slanted reporting & outrageous outrage, and we’re not among them.

That is why I never bother visiting Daily Kos. I just don’t have the gift of discernment required to identify the relevance to the world at large of what is on the “rec list” there the way some here do.

Truth be told, I don’t even know what a “rec list” is!

86 klys  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:31:47pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

No, no—we’re the ones with confirmation bias. Only certain people can discern truth amid all the slanted reporting & outrageous outrage, and we’re not among them.

Fortunately, those so gifted are condescending enough to share their insight from time to time.

87 krypto  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:33:04pm

One of the reasons (and there are several) why the GOP propagandists and the far right keep trying to beat their Benghazi fake non-scandal back into life, and keep it in the news, seems to be to try to reverse the reality that Obama did actually succeed in something unheard of before — for the United States to achieve its military goals without losing any American troops, let alone the thousands of dead Americans in each of Bush’s wars and many times as many non-lethal casualties.

It was beyond possibility to turn tribally oriented Libya starting from no clear leadership base except Gaddafi into a flourishing democracy not only “just by sending in US troops,” but given that we were not even sending in any ground troops. But Obama did achieve the objective of getting Ghadaffi out and leaving a possible pathway for Libyans to develop something better, without losing any American lives at least doing it.

The “four dead Americans” were — as GOPers keep ignoring — killed in a terrorist attack after that war had ended and Obama had already succeeded, not really as part of the war.

That certainly is not what the GOP wants the perception of the public to be about how Obama handled Libya military action.

88 Kragar  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:35:39pm

Less Benghazi, more Fugazi

Youtube Video

89 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:35:43pm

No law enforcement was involved.

90 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:39:01pm

re: #81 Gus

So. Hunts tomato sauce!

Take care of yourself, my friend. If you don’t, I’ll have to consider an extraordinary rendition from Colorado to my boss’ place in NYC.

Once there you’ll be forced to endure a raw food diet sans meat & dairy products (not to mention absolutely hideous “natural” health drinks made of freaking grass or whatever—and not the good kind), cardio workouts & bike rides at dawn to build your strength & endurance, weekend “training” bike rides of 25-50 miles, and 100+ mile bike rides for charity every few months.

Oh, and did I mention you’ll have to do all that on 3-4 hours of sleep a night in addition to your typical 80-hours per week, high stress job?

91 Arrrr, matey!  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:41:48pm

Youtube Video

92 Laertes  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:43:14pm

I imagine what’s going on is that right-wingers see America as a rightful Hegemon. And so something like, say, Russia playing a productive role somewhere and gaining influence and good will as a result, looks to them like a loss. In their worldview, only America (and her allies, insofar as it’s convenient for America) have any proper role in the affairs of other nations.

Also:

“Imagine you’re Assad. You hear the US Sec. of State say military strikes will be “unbelievably” limited. What are you going to think?”

It hadn’t occurred to me before, but I think you’re right. It does sound awfully like they were going to try and drop a tomahawk on his limo.

93 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:45:26pm

re: #90 CuriousLurker

Take care of yourself, my friend. If you don’t I’ll have to consider and extraordinary rendition from Colorado to my boss’ place in NYC.

Once there you’ll be forced to endure a vegan raw food diet sans meat & dairy products (not to mention absolutely hideous “natural” health drinks made of freaking grass or whatever—and not the good kind), cardio workouts & bike rides at dawn to build your strength & endurance, weekend “training” bike rides of 25-50 miles, and 100+ mile bike rides for charity every few months.

Oh, and did I mention you have to do all that on 3-4 hours of sleep and in addition to your typical 80-hours per week, high stress job?

{{{ CuriousLurker }}}

Still quitted? I’m going e-cig right here quick.

94 Stanley Sea  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:45:53pm

Over & out. Take care LGFers.

95 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:48:06pm

They said I passed CBC, BMP, Lipase, LFTs.

96 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:49:24pm

“We can rebuild him.”

97 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:50:24pm

Damn he shoved his hand straight in my liver.

“My God! He’s still alive!”

98 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:51:38pm

re: #93 Gus

{{{ CuriousLurker }}}

Still quitted? I’m going e-cig right here quick.

Back atcha’ {{{Gus}}}

Yep, I’m still quitted and it’s still hard as hell. The cravings aren’t as bad as before, but they still sneak up on me daily out of the blue and they have really sharp teeth.

The funny part is once I stopped and my lungs were no longer used to the smoke, even the lightest e-cigs would choke me. The weirdest part is how different some things taste/smell—sometimes not in a good way.

99 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:51:42pm

Still. Reading the news today I’m like, meh.

100 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:56:23pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

Back atcha’ {{{Gus}}}

Yep, I’m still quitted and it’s still hard as hell. The cravings aren’t as bad as before, but they still sneak up on me daily out of the blue and they have really sharp teeth.

The funny part is once I stopped and my lungs were no longer used to the smoke, even the lightest e-cigs would choke me. The weirdest part is how different some things taste/smell—sometimes not in a good way.

12 hours. I was alone a lot of times. Had to stick my head out towards the end. They sent me to the low rent x-ray room. Everyone kind of disappeared. Don’t see a bill. Scratching my head with that.

101 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:58:20pm

I’m going to look up the full records later.

102 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 8:59:48pm

Saw a woman that was just brought in on a stretcher. Still conscious. Breathing labored. Staring. I looked into her eyes. She at mine

103 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:01:02pm
104 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:01:44pm

re: #86 klys

Fortunately, those so gifted are condescending enough to share their insight from time to time.

THIS x infinity.

105 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:02:16pm

ICYMI

106 Single-handed sailor  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:05:37pm

re: #105 Gus

Every time I see his picture I see Rain Man.

107 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:06:37pm

Oh. This was my favorite. Kind of how my room visit started…

“You’re religious preference is still none?”

Needless to say I was like “wha’ am I about ready to die here?”

I finally answered her. Later I had second thoughts. My religious preference is all of the above including none.

108 jhrhv  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:16:47pm

re: #75 Gus

Not sure how much this relates to what you’re going through BUT I was on some prescribed thing for several months for muscle pain. When I finally healed up and stopped taking the pills there was some very serious pain especially in the guts and back areas. Hurt worse than what I was treating with the pills and was very strange to deal with.

I hung in there and after a week was feeling better than ever. I think when you’ve been medicating coming off them it takes a bit for your body to get used to operating in normal non assisted mode.

End result for me was much improved from before and feeling better than ever. Just had a huge family dinner where everyone said something along the lines of you look great.

“Whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.” Hang in there in the end hopefully it will be worth it.

109 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:17:10pm

re: #105 Gus

Right before I got online tonight I was thinking about how thin-skinned he is & how vitriolic he becomes at the slightest criticism. It must be hell to live with him.

I also wondered if anyone has ever seen him publicly admit to being wrong about anything and/or apologize for his often very personal, ad hominem attacks on his critics (ad hominem attacks being the very thing he whines about, e.g. The story isn’t about Snowden/me, it’s about [insert evil entity]…

110 OhNoZombies!  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:17:48pm

re: #106 Single-handed sailor

Every time I see his picture I see Rain Man.

Yep…
A creepy, creepy Rainman.

111 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:18:37pm

re: #109 CuriousLurker

Right before I got online tonight I was thinking about how thin-skinned he is & how vitriolic he becomes at the slightest criticism. It must be hell to live with him.

I also wondered if anyone has ever seen him publicly admit to being wrong about anything and/or apologize for his often very personal, ad hominem attacks on his critics (ad hominem attacks being the very thing he whines about, e.g. The story isn’t about Snowden/me, it’s about [insert evil entity]…

112 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:29:54pm

Destress:

Baby Quacker in a sink gif.

113 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:31:17pm

My original Tweet that set him off:

114 Amory Blaine  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:39:53pm

re: #23 lawhawk

Here is a relevant document released today.

Framework for Elimination of Syrian Chemical Weapons

115 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:40:20pm

Well, the ankle just woke up.

116 dog philosopher  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:44:30pm

re: #33 nines09

Homer says it best.

for the briefest fraction of a second, i thot it might be a quote from the greek person

117 Kragar  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:52:29pm

re: #116 dog philosopher

for the briefest fraction of a second, i thot it might be a quote from the greek person

“I drank what?” - Socrates

118 CuriousLurker  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 9:53:52pm

Touching commercial from Thailand about kindness & giving:

Youtube Video

And on that note, I’m outta here. G’nite, all.

120 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:06:00pm
121 klys  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:06:25pm

It turns out Voltron is available for free streaming with Amazon Prime.

It is so hysterically bad.

122 Kragar  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:09:24pm

re: #121 klys

It turns out Voltron is available for free streaming with Amazon Prime.

It is so hysterically bad.

Youtube Video

“So, at the end of every fight, after everything else fails, the sword always works?”
“Yeah!”
“So why don’t you use the sword first?”
“… SHUT UP!”

123 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:16:19pm

I’ve decided that Glenn Beck wasn’t too far off the mark. Gold is close to the perfect investment —but it should be gold nano-tech.

“Taiwanese researchers have come up with the elegant idea of replacing streetlights with trees, by implanting their leaves with gold nanoparticles. This causes the leaves to give off a red glow, lighting the road for passersby without the need for electric power. This ingenious triple threat of an idea could simultaneously reduce carbon emissions, cut electricity costs and reduce light pollution, without sacrificing the safety that streetlights bring.”

Althought I’m 3/4 sarc about it, the science is really kewl. I guess they are using it a lot in cancer and other medical research and jewelry labeled with “gold nano injection plating” (whatever that means) has been showing up in my googlings.

And how is this day so far?

124 klys  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:17:22pm

re: #122 Kragar

[Embedded content]

“So, at the end of every fight, after everything else fails, the sword always works?”
“Yeah”
“So why don’t you use the sword first?”
“… SHUT UP!”

Tonight’s discovery beyond that: Voltron was actually two anime series spliced together to make a whole different story.

We found the anime that provided the bulk of it on YouTube, complete (in Japanese with English subtitles) and managed to get it synced up at points. Really damn funny.

125 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:18:25pm
Gold Nanoparticles 101

You may have heard of gold nanoparticles and not even realized it, since they’re also known as “colloidal gold” or sometimes “nano-gold.” Tiny molecular particles of gold are suspended in a fluid (usually water) and if the gold particles are extremely small, the liquid appears to be an intense shade of red. If the particles are on the larger size, the liquid will be a dirty yellow color.

When gold is broken into nanoparticles it can break many different ways, depending on the process. Researchers have found particles in an assortment of shapes including rods, cubes, cap-shaped pieces, and spheres.

Nanotechnology is fairly new to our civilization, but it turns out that colloidal gold has been around since ancient times—and it was originally used to stain glass. It was rediscovered by Michael Faraday in the 1850s and almost immediately became one of science’s favorite substances.

Read more: nanogloss.com

126 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:24:36pm

Suppose to be a Saturday night.

127 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:25:11pm

I’m really too old for this:

Diamonds may be a girl’s best friend but a girl is happiest among her many girlfriends. Cubic zirconia jewelry is increasing in popularity with its qualities of high dispersion and flawlessness. The diamond stimulant’s beauty is enriched by nanostyle’s articulate imprints. Nanostyle’s cubic zirconia necklace collection is imprinted with unsurpassed high resolution precision depictions of symbolic motifs and religious texts in 24k gold. Many of the harmonious designs are available in a spectrum of cubic zirconia stones. Soon nanostyle will be introducing a ring and bracelet collection to its cubic zirconia jewelry range.

128 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:25:23pm

re: #126 Gus

Suppose to be a Saturday night.

Where I am it’s Sunday Morning.

129 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:26:25pm

YES, they have a Che pendat.

130 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:28:27pm

re: #128 FemNaziBitch

Where I am it’s Sunday Morning.

Colorado is too cold. Time to move. Where? I don’t know.

131 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:29:01pm

I’m having no luck in research this evening. I’m trying to figure-out what the hell this is.

injected into what?

132 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:29:13pm

re: #130 Gus

Colorado is too cold. Time to move. Where? I don’t know.

South?

133 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:29:29pm

We enter with noting. We leave with nothing.

134 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:29:38pm

re: #132 FemNaziBitch

South?

Warm.

135 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:30:13pm

Fuck snow. Fuck ice. Fuck shivering at night and hand cramping up. Forget feeling a cold breeze. Fuck winter.

136 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:36:31pm

re: #124 klys

Tonight’s discovery beyond that: Voltron was actually two anime series spliced together to make a whole different story.

We found the anime that provided the bulk of it on YouTube, complete (in Japanese with English subtitles) and managed to get it synced up at points. Really damn funny.

Yeah, that’s something that happened a lot back in the day. Rules regarding syndication usually required series of a certain length (60+ episodes IIRC) before they could be picked up by a network. Problem was that Japanese anime series usually clocked in at less than 30 episodes. So the “solution,” as it was, ended up being to take series that were “similar” enough that differences could be hand-waved away, cram in all new dialogue through dubbing that would tie the disparate series together with a unified plotline, and then release them under a new name.

Then the Internet came along and we moved beyond such barbarism.

137 klys  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:47:13pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

Yeah, that’s something that happened a lot back in the day. Rules regarding syndication usually required series of a certain length (60+ episodes IIRC) before they could be picked up by a network. Problem was that Japanese anime series usually clocked in at less than 30 episodes. So the “solution,” as it was, ended up being to take series that were “similar” enough that differences could be hand-waved away, cram in all new dialogue through dubbing that would tie the disparate series together with a unified plotline, and then release them under a new name.

Then the Internet came along and we moved beyond such barbarism.

Voltron is funny in that it took on a life of its own - quite literally - with interesting consequences. They eventually did art specifically for the series, and Voltron was far more popular than the original source - which means that the production company eventually bought the rights for it, and it hasn’t been released on DVD in Japan as a result. You can, however, get it in the US.

138 klys  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:49:44pm

THE COOKIE GAME WILL NEVER END.

139 freetoken  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:56:38pm

Psalm 23, New American Glibertarian Version:

A psalm of David, Inc.


1 The Corporation is my shepherd, I lack nothing.
2 It makes me lie down in green backs,
It leads me beside franchised waters,
3 It refreshes my credit rating.
It guides me along the right paths
for It’s trademark’s sake.
4 Even though I walk
through the darkest inner city,
I will fear no Acorn,
for It is with me;
your paid security and your legal staff,
they comfort me.
5 You prepare a reserved table before me
in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with West Texas oil;
my oil barrel overflows.
6 Surely your goodness and love will follow me
all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the vacation rental of the Corporation
forever.

140 dog philosopher  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 11:01:30pm

impressions of the kindle fire hd:

one of the ways this item sells is the superior technical specifications & low price in comparison to the ipad. so it’s a pretty slick item, altho none of these pad things has had enough ram or processor power to run a compiler until very recently

unfortunately, the ‘silk’ browser is not quite up to the standard of say firefox running on a pc. it’s slow, maybe because of the processor, and it isn’t terribly stable - it’s crashed on lgf a few times already

but the main thing that annoys me, and which may be the reason for the low price, is that altho you can do i guess most pad like activities, you can see pretty quickly that what you have bought is an amazon product advertising and selling machine. the bootup/lock screen cannot be personalized w a graphic you might like, even if you manage to ‘root’ the machine - it must display advertising. the interface in general is geared toward friendly buying suggestions about what is ‘trending’ or what others bought

i want to own my kindle more. i want it to act like a cut down computer. i want it to come w a notepad and a calculator. it should be a product geared at making my life easier, not amazon’s

141 freetoken  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 11:24:32pm

MP3 Audio

142 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 11:36:19pm

OK, calling it. I’d rather have some pain than keep taking OTC PKs.

143 Cinnabar  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 11:37:53pm

re: #140 dog philosopher

I bought a Nexus 7. I like it. It won’t replace my netbook, much less the laptop.

144 Cinnabar  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 11:38:16pm

re: #142 Gus

OK, calling it. I’d rather have some pain than keep taking OTC PKs.

Rest well, Gus.

145 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 11:40:22pm

re: #144 Shockingly, Pathetically Low

Rest well, Gus.

No way. I’m still packing ice and heat.

146 Gus  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 11:41:52pm

Ice on the ankle felt pretty good actually.

147 Cinnabar  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 11:42:12pm

re: #145 Gus

{{{Gus}}} I’ve had times like that too.

148 sagehen  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 12:18:13am

re: #135 Gus

Fuck snow. Fuck ice. Fuck shivering at night and hand cramping up. Forget feeling a cold breeze. Fuck winter.

Southern California.
Puerto Rico.
Hawaii.
Florida.

None of which have anything Coloradans would call “winter”.

149 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 2:55:58am

Morning shift…

Just noticed a new NC law that is incredible in its stupidity—put moar gunz on the streets!

New NC law prohibits police from destroying most guns

Read more here: charlotteobserver.com

“The bill’s chief sponsor in the Senate, Andrew Brock, a Republican total idiot who represents Davie, Iredell and Rowan counties, said Friday he does not expect the sale of firearms to generate “a lot of revenue” for police departments, but said it would be welcome.

“In addition, Brock said, the public is simply better served if the weapons are recycled instead of destroyed.

“If you have something of value, why not recycle it?” he asked.

Maybe the cops could charge 100 times the “value” of these weapons and no one would buy them. Let them rot in lock up, then they can recycle the metal as they’ve been doing.

Haha, if I ever find a weapon, you can bet I’m going to smash it with an iron mallet before turning it over to the cops now.

150 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 4:23:39am

Looks like Mexico is taking the brunt of the late summer tropical storms.

Hurricane Ingrid, TS Manuel threaten Mexico

bigstory.ap.org

“Manuel was expected to dump 10 to 15 inches of rain over parts of the Mexican states of Oaxaca and Guerrero with maximums of 25 inches possible in some isolated areas. Authorities said those rains would present an especially dangerous threat in mountains, where flash floods and mudslides were possible.

“Hurricane Ingrid also was expected to dump very heavy rains. It was centered early Sunday about 160 miles (290 km) east of Tampico, Mexico, and moving northwest at 7 mph (11 km). A hurricane warning from Ingrid was in effect from Cabo Rojo to La Pesca.”

151 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 4:30:50am

Pres Obama gets no love from Syria, either.

Syrian minister says US-Russian deal on destroying country’s chemical weapons averts war, and thanks Moscow

bbc.co.uk

Must express appreciation for our Russian overlords who will continue to supply us with conventional weaponry, etc.

152 Flounder  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 5:34:34am

I am an idiot.

I spent the better part of yesterday morning welding on the lateral braces to my dual axle equipment trailer that I am building. The braces are made out of old galvanized sign posts. Well, later in the day, I felt like I was coming down with the flu, but usually one of my kids is patient zero. This came outta no where. This morning I feel fine.

en.wikipedia.org

Well at least I’m not bleeding in weird places yet. I am going out to buy new cartridges for my respirator asap.

153 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 5:47:48am

Not the least bit surprising.

Assad’s forces on attack after U.S.-Russia arms deal

reuters.com

(Reuters) - Syrian warplanes and artillery bombarded rebel suburbs of the capital on Sunday after the United States agreed to call off military action in a deal with Russia to remove President Bashar al-Assad’s chemical weapons.

“President Barack Obama said he may still launch U.S. strikes if Damascus fails to follow a nine-month U.N. disarmament plan drawn up by Washington and Assad’s ally Moscow. But a reluctance among U.S. voters and Western allies to engage in a new Middle East war, and Russian opposition, has put any attacks on hold.

“Syrian rebels, calling the international focus on poison gas a sideshow, dismissed talk the arms pact might herald peace talks and said Assad had stepped up an offensive with ordinary weaponry now that the threat of U.S. air strikes had receded.”

154 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 6:00:36am

re: #152 Flounder

I am an idiot.

I spent the better part of yesterday morning welding on the lateral braces to my dual axle equipment trailer that I am building. The braces are made out of old galvanized sign posts. Well, later in the day, I felt like I was coming down with the flu, but usually one of my kids is patient zero. This came outta no where. This morning I feel fine.

en.wikipedia.org

Well at least I’m not bleeding in weird places yet. I am going out to buy new cartridges for my respirator asap.

Glad you are OK—I’m guessing those filters get contaminated fairly quickly?

You might be interested in this: osha.gov

ZINC

Zinc is used in large quantities in the manufacture of brass, galvanized metals, and various other alloys. Inhalation of zinc oxide fumes can occur when welding or cutting on zinc-coated metals. Exposure to these fumes is known to cause metal fume fever. Symptoms of metal fume fever are very similar to those of common influenza. They include fever (rarely exceeding 102o F), chills, nausea, dryness of the throat, cough, fatigue, and general weakness and aching of the head and body. The victim may sweat profusely for a few hours, after which the body temperature begins to return to normal. The symptoms of metal fume fever have rarely, if ever, lasted beyond 24 hours. The subject can then appear to be more susceptible to the onset of this condition on Mondays or on weekdays following a holiday than they are on other days.

155 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 6:03:19am

re: #152 Flounder

That is a good idea. Be careful.

156 Flounder  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 6:12:40am

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

The filters do plug up afters a while…when you use them. I have respirator cartridges for painting, and I don’t think they work with metal fumes. What’s $20 for new filter cartridges??! I gotst kidz to feed!

hence:


Youtube Video

157 Stoatly  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 6:18:41am

re: #152 Flounder

The dangers of welding galvanized stuff is one those things that not enough people know about, another is chrome poisoning from improvising a BBQ grill from fridge shelves or shopping trolleys etc

158 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 6:20:18am

re: #156 Flounder

Do you think this would help? amazon.com

159 Flounder  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 6:26:41am

re: #158 PhillyPretzel

Yup, that is a good one. Even if you are installing insulation you should use one. Those dust masks don’t do diddly squat.

160 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 6:26:52am

re: #153 Justanotherhuman

Not the least bit surprising.

Assad’s forces on attack after U.S.-Russia arms deal

reuters.com

(Reuters) - Syrian warplanes and artillery bombarded rebel suburbs of the capital on Sunday after the United States agreed to call off military action in a deal with Russia to remove President Bashar al-Assad’s chemical weapons.

“President Barack Obama said he may still launch U.S. strikes if Damascus fails to follow a nine-month U.N. disarmament plan drawn up by Washington and Assad’s ally Moscow. But a reluctance among U.S. voters and Western allies to engage in a new Middle East war, and Russian opposition, has put any attacks on hold.

“Syrian rebels, calling the international focus on poison gas a sideshow, dismissed talk the arms pact might herald peace talks and said Assad had stepped up an offensive with ordinary weaponry now that the threat of U.S. air strikes had receded.”

It is what it is. We don’t have any friends on the ground in Syria, only enemies.

161 Flounder  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 6:49:09am

Waffles are up, but I have no syrup :(

162 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 6:53:27am

re: #161 Flounder

Waffles are up, but I have no syrup :(

If you’ve got cinnamon and sugar you can mix the two and sprinkle the mix on the waffles. Added to a little butter, it is a decent way to serve a waffle.

163 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 6:55:19am

re: #161 Flounder

Waffles are up, but I have no syrup :(

Got any jam or jelly, or honey? Yoghurt? Ice cream?

164 Flounder  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 6:57:14am

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

re: #163 wheat-dogghazi

Kids choked it down with oleo and powdered sugar.

165 darthstar  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 7:03:21am

“Pay no attention to the red dot on your chest, Mr. Assad.” Unbelievably limited indeed.

Mornin’ everyone.

166 darthstar  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 7:07:28am

Obama doesn’t care about what the haters think.

167 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 7:11:48am

re: #138 klys

THE COOKIE GAME WILL NEVER END.

evercookie game?

168 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 7:17:40am

Texas Texts
NR’s Kevin D. Williamson unhappily but honestly and firmly smacks down Texas Creationists.

If you want to read the article without visiting the Page, it’s here But afterward please do go the page and comment.

169 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 7:19:17am

I guess Bill Maher gets the credit.

170 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 7:22:54am

re: #169 FemNaziBitch

I guess Bill Maher gets the credit.

I like that one.

171 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 7:24:17am

It’s all Obama’s fault!

:0

172 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 7:28:14am

Near Occassion of Sin?

really?

You mean we can’t walk around it, smell it, look at it, think about it and go to confession anymore?

173 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 7:32:30am

the real Dr. Seuss?

174 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 7:35:48am

Ironically-Named City of Sistersville Still Bans Women from Voting

It might have something to do with outdated town charters like the one belonging to a tiny city on the banks of the Ohio River called Sistersville, a place that sounds unfairly creepy, as if the twins from The Shining stood sentry-like next to the sign at the city limits, beckoning for creeped-out motorists to play with them. In fact, Sistersville, with a population just shy of 1,500, has a more unfortunate problem than ghosts wandering the city limits — its charter still bars women from voting. Yup, the ironic twist in Sistersville is that, according to the town charter, only the dudes can vote.

175 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 7:39:15am

John McCain haz an embarrassment…

McCain Says He Will Write Op-ed for Pravda - Pravda Says, Say What?

176 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:06:00am

re: #173 FemNaziBitch

the real Dr. Seuss?

Lol, that’s a keeper!

177 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:13:21am

*FACEPALM*

178 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:18:28am

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

*FACEPALM*

[Embedded content]

Hey Bryan, I was just talking to god. He told me to tell you to fuck off. Just thought you should know. Toodles.

179 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:29:57am

re: #178 Eventual Carrion

Hey Bryan, I was just talking to god. He told me to tell you to fuck off. Just thought you should know. Toodles.

I’d really like to know what’s wrong with that man’s head that lets him say stupid shit like that. It can’t just be creationism, because most creationists know better than to say things that make them look so callous. It must be something else then…

180 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:30:53am

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

I really like to know what’s wrong with that man’s head that lets him say stupid shit like that. It can’t just be creationism, because most creationists know better than to say things that make them look so callous. It must be something else then…

Because Bryan really only listens to the voices in his head…

181 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:31:29am
182 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:33:47am

re: #58 Kragar

re: #58 Kragar

Bryan Fischer @BryanJFischer

Religious cleansing of Christians: by Muslims in the Middle East, by Obama in US military, by Big Gay in US society.[Embedded content]

Big Gay? Is that one of the new Web sites from Breitbart?

183 Carlos Danger  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:34:42am

STUDENT “SCIENTIFICALLY PROVES” GAY MARRIAGE WRONG

“In recent time I found that gay marriage, which is homosexuality and lesbianism, is eating deep into the fabric of our human nature all over the world and this was why nations of Sodom and Gomora were destroyed by God because they were into gay practice. That is, a man marrying another man and a woman marrying another woman,” says Amalaha.

He explains that “God gave me the wisdom to use science as a scientist to prove gay marriage wrong”.

Amalaha says that his ‘groundbreaking’ experiments have shown that the north and south poles of two magnets are attracted to each other while same poles repel each other.

looooooool

184 Interesting Times  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:38:43am

re: #183 Carlos Danger

STUDENT “SCIENTIFICALLY PROVES” GAY MARRIAGE WRONG

Amalaha says that his ‘groundbreaking’ experiments have shown that the north and south poles of two magnets are attracted to each other while same poles repel each other.

Magnets LGBT people, how the fuck do they work?

185 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:41:06am

re: #182 Iwouldprefernotto

Big Gay? Is that one of the new Web sites from Breitbart?

No, just a new Fischer obsession. He’s been doing too much ‘research’ on gayness and has developed an obsession with ‘size’.

/partially.

186 GeneJockey  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:41:27am

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

I really like to know what’s wrong with that man’s head that lets him say stupid shit like that. It can’t just be creationism, because most creationists know better than to say things that make them look so callous. It must be something else then…

ONE guy saying crazy stupid shit doesn’t faze me. It’s all the people who listen to/read the crazy stupid shit and say, “Yeah, that makes perfect sense!” that bothers me.

There will always be crazy stupid people saying crazy stupid shit. It seems, however, as if they are now organized. Worse than that, because there are people agreeing with their crazy stupid shit, the feedback inhibition that would normally keep them at least somewhat grounded has been replaced by feedback activation, so that the crazier and stupider they become the louder the agreement and the greater the support.

187 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:42:25am

re: #183 Carlos Danger

“Amalaha says that his ‘groundbreaking’ experiments have shown that the north and south poles of two magnets are attracted to each other while same poles repel each other.”

Simple and hilarious.
ROFLMAO!!!

188 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:45:12am

GG’s at it again. Of course, he’s the guy who probably thinks he should replace Alexander. Please be aware that these photos are attributed to an architectural firm, which show it was completed in 1999, 6 yrs before Keith Alexander was named head of the NSA; Michael Hayden was head in 1999: nsa.gov

Of course, GG doesn’t mention this as he lashes out at Gen Alexander in his ad hominem piece in the Guardian.

189 piratedan  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 8:49:04am

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

Inside the mind of Glenn Greenwald….

“I’m ready for my closeup and Pulitzer, Mr. DeMille”

190 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 9:00:14am

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

GG’s at it again. Of course, he’s the guy who probably thinks he should replace Alexander. Please be aware that these photos are attributed to an architectural firm, which show it was completed in 1999, 6 yrs before Keith Alexander was named head of the NSA; Michael Hayden was head in 1999: nsa.gov

Of course, GG doesn’t mention this as he lashes out at Gen Alexander in his ad hominem piece in the Guardian.

[Embedded content]

One would think a Star Trek inspired room would reassure those who are nervous about the NSA, since that franchise is not in the least militaristic (Star Fleet is a military, but its powers over civilians are sharply limited except in regards to the normal powers given to navies within their internal waters (or space) or areas of actual hostilities).

But of course a deeper understanding of anything is anathema to Glenn Greenwald, who cares only about getting his next publicity and rage fixes.

191 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 9:09:54am

re: #180 Justanotherhuman

Because Bryan really only listens to the voices in his head… Satan.

192 psddluva4evah  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 9:24:13am

Obama today on ABC, this one will have the Bushies squealing & of course the beltway will be oblivious that he sticking it to them.

As for the public perception of his own management of the U.S. response to the alleged use of chemical weapons by the Syrian regime, Obama said, “Folks here in Washington like to grade on style.”
“And so had we rolled out something that was very smooth and disciplined and linear - they would have graded it well, even if it was a disastrous policy,” he continued. “We know that, ‘cause that’s exactly how they graded the Iraq War - until it ended up… blowing up in our face.

Obama on Syria criticism: Washington grades on style, not substance

193 psddluva4evah  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 9:26:01am

re: #192 psddluva4evah

also too:

Talking about his relationship with Putin, Obama said he doesn’t think his Russian counterpart “has the same values that we do” and that Putin has a “different attitude about the Assad regime.” But, he said, both countries “have an interest in preventing chaos” and “preventing terrorism.”
“This is not a contest between the United States and Russia. I mean, the fact of the matter is that if Russia wants to have some influence in Syria post-Assad, that doesn’t hurt our interests,” he said.
“And I think there’s a way for Mr. Putin, despite me and him having a whole lot of differences, to play an important role in that,” he continued. “And so I welcome him being involved. I welcome him saying, ‘I will take responsibility for pushing my client, the Assad regime, to deal with these chemical weapons.’”

194 psddluva4evah  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 9:26:33am

Here’s a great post from Booman Tribune discussing the timeline of the actions & thinking of admin & particularly POTUS on the whole mess with Syria. I def recommend it.

Against A World Arrayed for War

195 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 9:43:56am

It says quite a bit about our culture that we have to view every thing in terms of winners and losers. It’s simply not practical nor pragmatic.

196 Stanley Sea  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 9:48:32am
197 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 9:49:50am

re: #116 dog philosopher

for the briefest fraction of a second, i thot it might be a quote from the greek person

What Greek person?

//

198 Internet Tough Guy  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 9:52:05am

re: #192 psddluva4evah

In short: Obama to the Establishment: “Eat a dick. Oh wait you already did!

199 A Mom Anon  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 9:53:16am

re: #194 psddluva4evah

I was talking to someone who is retired military about this and he said many of the same things.

In summary, our media not only sucks, but most of it’s members can’t be bothered to READ shit and ask questions if they don’t understand something. Most Americans can’t be bothered to do anything but freak out on cue when they’re told something is wrong even when it’s not. Currently, this is a whole lot easier for our idiot media to get away with because the President is being obstructed at every turn and lied about constantly. So, it becomes simple to believe he’s incompetent and lazy. Unless of course you actually ask questions and READ stuff.

200 Stanley Sea  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 9:54:20am
201 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:00:46am

re: #195 b_sharp

It says quite a bit about our culture that we have to view every thing in terms of winners and losers. It’s simply not practical nor pragmatic.

It says a great deal about how the media want to present things, which in a way goes back to Marshall McLuhan’s saying that “the medium is the message”. TV news programs and most web sites aren’t really able to fully describe a complicated political outcome: Too much of the background knowledge is “inside baseball” and there isn’t enough time to explain before their audience would change the channel or site. So they go with a ‘winners and losers’ format, even if its a DERP, because it holds viewer attention better.

That’s not to say you can’t find deeper analysis out there, because you can. But usually it is in specialty publications and sites that don’t look for a mass audience.

202 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:02:29am

I think I am going to hell for laughing at this.

203 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:04:42am

re: #194 psddluva4evah

Here’s a great post from Booman Tribune discussing the timeline of the actions & thinking of admin & particularly POTUS on the whole mess with Syria. I def recommend it.

Against A World Arrayed for War

I think the dudebros should have to read this 1M times, so they don’t get a chance to continue fucking up the discourse.

204 blueraven  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:08:33am

re: #195 b_sharp

It says quite a bit about our culture that we have to view every thing in terms of winners and losers. It’s simply not practical nor pragmatic.

Here is a good article at slate.com calling it a win-win

And yet, Assad cannot help but come out of this deal weaker than before. First, he has had to admit that he has chemical weapons—and in fact to lead foreign inspectors to their sites—after earlier denying that he had any. (The sign of weakness here isn’t the admission of a lie but the necessity to come clean.) Second, he has had to submit to a deal struck by two outside powers; he can no longer present himself—to his people, his enemies, or perhaps most fatefully, to his military officers—as a strong, independent ruler. He appears to be, instead, Putin’s lackey and perhaps even Obama’s manservant.

It is also worth noting that the “Framework for Elimination of Syrian Chemical Weapons,” which Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov signed in Geneva, is a tough document, as far as these things go. The Syrians must submit a record of their stockpile within a week. The weapons and assorted equipment (launchers, precursors, etc.) are to be removed and destroyed, under international inspection and control, in the first half of 2014. And if Syria doesn’t comply with any part of it, the matter gets referred to the U.N. Security Council in a Chapter VII resolution—that is, a resolution that includes enforcement through the use of force.

True, the Russians may veto this resolution, but it is a rare thing for them to permit even the hypothetical drafting of such a thing—and if Russia does veto it, the hypocrisy would be clear, and Obama might have a stronger hand in Congress for carrying out the airstrikes after all.

It’s also true, as Obama’s critics say, that verification will be difficult. It’s much easier to hide chemical agents than, say, nuclear missiles. But, again, Russia has a very strong interest in getting rid of these weapons, and Russia is also the only entity separating Assad from a firing squad. Assad knows that Russia needs an ally in Damascus and that he has been a faithful ally; however, he probably also knows that others could step to the throne in his place. He needs Russia more than Russia needs him personally; the Russians have a lot of leverage in this deal, and he has very little.

And who knows? If Obama and Putin can find common ground to solve this crisis, maybe the “reset button” can be pushed again. Might they be able to mediate a ceasefire in Syria, a step back from the brink in Iran (where a new president and foreign minister have sent intriguing signals that they’re ready for such moves), and a renewal of compromise measures elsewhere? It’s too risky to hope for such things, but the past week has taken the world on such a steep and dizzy roller coaster ride, no prediction can be dismissed as too wild or woolly.

205 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:15:20am

re: #203 Justanotherhuman

I think the dudebros should have to read this 1M times, so they don’t get a chance to continue fucking up the discourse.

I’m going to step away with a partisan note in that the piece’s initial focus on Democrats and the RINO Hagel going after the surge led me to classify it as “the Jackass Party kicking up its heels”.

BBL

206 Dr. Matt  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:34:02am
re: #196 Stanley Sea

NFL looks to flag more players for profanity

RWNJs will be torn to be outraged because of “political correctness” run amuck or to be rejoicing over a victory for “family values”.

208 A Mom Anon  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:44:29am

re: #207 Stanley Sea

What the hell? This country needs to grow up and get ahold of itself. This poor man and his family. Damn it.

209 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:44:35am

re: #207 Stanley Sea

Why do I suspect the officer won’t be penalized for this?

210 Stanley Sea  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:45:44am

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

Why do I suspect the officer won’t be penalized for this?

He’s arrested. But his defense of crazy black man will probably be used and will work.

211 blueraven  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:46:31am

Anthony Bordain’s “Parts Unknown” season opener tonight on CNN.
He will be dining and touring Gaza, the West Bank and Israel.

In the season premiere of “Anthony Bourdain Parts Unknown,” the host and crew make their first trip to Israel, the West Bank and Gaza. While the political situation is often tense between the people living in these areas, Bourdain concentrates on their rich history, food and culture, and spends time with local chefs, home cooks, writers and amateur foodies.

212 psddluva4evah  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:48:33am

re: #207 Stanley Sea

I saw that, I don’t half fault the lady who called the police. As a single female myself, if I saw some guy I didn’t know in my yard or banging on my door (I’m AA and is wouldnt matter what color they were) I’d think about calling 911, but the officer who “discharged his weapons several times (!!!!)….BASTARD!

213 ObserverArt  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:50:59am

I am just getting to this thread so my comments may be repeating others similar thoughts.

After watching some political TV over the weekend, I am thinking of answering this “Who is the loser?” question of Charles’ this way.

I have a real fear that when all tolls are taken, we are all going to be the losers in this deal. That would be up to and including the world. Not just the people in the United States. Politically I see this as extremely damaging to an already damaged American Political System. Also damaged heavily, the United Nations, many nations relationships with each other in their own regions and we may as well also toss out the Geneva Conventions.

We just remembered 9/11…but we forget the big fear the terrorists wanted to change the world systems. They seemed to have done just that.

214 psddluva4evah  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:52:04am

re: #210 Stanley Sea

yep, I can totally see that defense…ugh.

So not only do black males have to never turn their backs on random neighborhood watch guys with guns, now they can’t even “run” to the police for help when they are the ones in harm. Nope they got watch slowly and steadily, with their hands up in surrender as they approach the officer.

What kinda crap it that? I’ve told all my male cousins to just be careful out in the streets cause man, who can they trust if they need help, if they are liable to get shot by those who are supposed to help them?

215 blueraven  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:55:04am

re: #213 ObserverArt

I am just getting to this thread so my comments may be repeating others similar thoughts.

After watching some political TV over the weekend, I am thinking of answering this “Who is the loser?” question of Charles’ this way.

I have a real fear that when all tolls are taken, we are all going to be the losers in this deal. That would be up to and including the world. Not just the people in the United States. Politically I see this as extremely damaging to an already damaged American Political System. Also damaged heavily, the United Nations, many nations relationships with each other in their own regions and we may as well also toss out the Geneva Conventions.

We just remembered 9/11…but we forget the big fear the terrorists wanted to change the world systems. They seemed to have done just that.

How do you arrive at this assessment? Diplomacy is not a better option?

216 jaunte  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 10:56:44am

re: #207 Stanley Sea

Pro Tip for black men:

If you’ve been in a car accident, do not go to the nearest house for help.

If you’re wounded or in pain, remember not to look distressed or “crazy.”

217 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 11:10:28am

re: #207 Stanley Sea

Pro Tip for black men:

If you’ve been in a car accident, do not go to the nearest house for help.

Officer Randall Kerrick, 27, of the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department (CMPD) in North Carolina is facing charges of voluntary manslaughter after fatally shooting Jonathan Ferrell, 24, a former Florida A&M football player who had apparently been seeking help after surviving a major car crash early Saturday morning.

Did you see that vehicle? No doubt Ferrell was somewhat disoriented, and may have either lost or didn’t have a cell phone which is why he walked to find help.

“Monroe said that he did not believe Ferrell had threatened the woman who placed the 911 call, and that Kerrick’s use of excess force was unwarranted, according to the Charlotte Observer.”

The neighborhood is working/middle class and close by to Reedy Creek Park and nature preserve on the northeast side of Charlotte. I don’t know the race of the woman, but I think the neighborhood is majority Black, with some Hispanic and white populations. I sort of doubt race was a factor, just fear.

Chief Monroe is Black; officer Kerrick White.

218 ObserverArt  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 11:16:29am

re: #215 blueraven

How do you arrive at this assessment? Diplomacy is not a better option?

I am looking at it in an overall general sense. I may have not been clear about that. I hope that diplomacy wins this issue in and of itself.

What I am saying is that no matter the outcome there is going to be damage to many long held ways the world deals with these types of issues. I fear the most damage may be in our own political systems and our view of the world. It is not like America has never been in a stage of neutrality in world affairs, but I see this as more than just neutrality. There is a level of cynicism meeting with disconnect and naivety that is wholly different. Fast communications can turn that ugly and get it out to more and more people.

So, I think you can answer the question we all lose by the damage this issue is causing, even if we get this solved.

And going back to what I learned over the weekend, this is far from over in any diplomatic way and there seems to be many that don’t find any positives in any of it. That is damaging.

I would have never guessed in my lifetime I would see Americans embrace Vladimir Putin writing in a US newspaper. That is just scratching the surface. But it sure is an example.

EDIT: Made it “Americans” instead of America. I don’t mean the whole country.

219 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 11:17:33am

Not everything is about race but enough is that it has to be a consideration.

220 blueraven  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 11:21:38am

re: #218 ObserverArt

I am looking at it in an overall general sense. I may have not been clear about that. I hope that diplomacy wins this issue in and of itself.

What I am saying is that no matter the outcome there is going to be damage to many long held ways the world deals with these types of issues. I fear the most damage may be in our own political systems and our view of the world. It is not like America has never been in a stage of neutrality in world affairs, but I see this as more than just neutrality. There is a level of cynicism meeting with disconnect and naivety that is wholly different. Fast communications can turn that ugly and get it out to more and more people.

So, I think you can answer the question we all lose by the damage this issue is causing, even if we get this solved.

And going back to what I learned over the weekend, this is far from over in any diplomatic way and there seems to be many that don’t find any positives in any of it. That is damaging.

I would have never guessed in my lifetime I would see America embrace Vladimir Putin writing in a US newspaper. That is just scratching the surface. But it sure is an example.

I think it is a very small minority who embrace Putin’s op-ed

I see your point about the dangers of isolationism, and that is a direct result of Iraq and Afghanistan. Also…democrat in the white house, partisan politics and media bias.

221 ObserverArt  Sun, Sep 15, 2013 11:37:38am

re: #220 blueraven

I think it is a very small minority who embrace Putin’s op-ed

I see your point about the dangers of isolationism, and that is a direct result of Iraq and Afghanistan. Also…democrat in the white house, partisan politics and media bias.

Right. I meant to make that read Americans and have edited it. I didn’t intend to mean everyone. I am not sure about it being a small minority. I was rather amazed at how many buy into Vlad being a nice guy and making our president look weak.

And I also mean more than just America will be damaged, That is where I tied terrorism in.

222 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:21:54am

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