12 Confirmed Dead in Washington Navy Yard Shooting

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Another horrific mass shooting today at the Washington Navy Yard, where DC Police Chief Cathy Lanier has now confirmed there are at least 12 dead and three wounded.

At least one shooter has been killed — there may be others, but right now there are conflicting reports, so stand by for more details. Police have announced that they’re looking for two other “persons of interest.”

See the comments below for breaking updates on this story…

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1 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:20:16am

And the conspiracies are already beginning:

2 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:20:16am

As long as people believe conflicts can only be settled with a gun …

3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:21:17am

re: #1 Kragar

Why doesn’t the NSA know what’s going on?

Seriously, be prepared for ~15,000 smug tweets about ‘how come the NSA didn’t see this coming lol’.

4 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:22:48am

NBC says dead shooter is possibly a 34-year-old man from Texas.

5 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:22:49am

re: #1 Kragar

And the conspiracies are already beginning:

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Everything’s a conspiracy to Alex. If he gets a bad burrito and ends up with excessive flatulence, it’s clearly a plot by THEM (and no, I’m not referring to ‘giant irradiated ants’).

6 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:22:58am

re: #3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Why doesn’t the NSA know what’s going on?

Seriously, be prepared for ~15,000 smug tweets about ‘how come the NSA didn’t see this coming lol’.

I expect a lot of derp involving “gun free zones”.

7 Dr. Matt  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:23:22am

re: #6 Kragar

I expect a lot of derp involving “gun free zones”.

Like the NRA headquarters and NRA annual meetings?

8 jaunte  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:23:24am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

NBC says dead shooter is possibly a 34-year-old man from Texas.

[groan]

9 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:23:24am

Now they’re saying DC police looking for at least 2 other shooters. WTF? I suppose if the “others” wore some kind of military type looking outfit, they would have blended in a bit better?

This is awful. This had to be some kind of inside job, if someone has already been arrested when his ID was found on the scene close to the dead perp and he was at home.

10 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:23:40am
11 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:24:04am

Man, its like stopping a gunman who is willing to die to kill people is really hard.

12 Skip Intro  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:24:27am

re: #3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Why doesn’t the NSA know what’s going on?

Seriously, be prepared for ~15,000 smug tweets about ‘how come the NSA didn’t see this coming lol’.

Apparently they don’t use “BlueJay, the Law Enforcement Twitter Crime Scanner”

How the cops watch your tweets in real-time

arstechnica.com

13 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:25:11am

re: #8 jaunte

[groan]

I know the feeling, heh.

14 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:25:13am

re: #9 Justanotherhuman

Now they’re saying DC police looking for at least 2 other shooters. WTF? I suppose if the “others” wore some kind of military type looking outfit, they would have blended in a bit better?

This is awful. This had to be some kind of inside job, if someone has already been arrested when his ID was found on the scene close to the dead perp and he was at home.

That organization is very heavy with civilians and officers in ‘office’ uniform. Anything tactical would have stood out.

15 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:25:37am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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As well as the pro-forma condemnations of gun control advocates for creating such an “unsafe” environment.

16 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:25:57am

DC congresswoman asking people to wait for more information before rushing to judgement.

Where is the fun in that?
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17 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:27:56am

MSNBC says authorities are working “multiple investigations” at this point.

18 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:29:12am

re: #16 Kragar

Sounds good, considering how many conflicting reports we hae had on the number of shooters.

19 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:30:46am

Wingnuts have not stopped for even ONE SECOND in their rabid Obama hate.

20 ObserverArt  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:30:51am

re: #5 Dr Lizardo

Everything’s a conspiracy to Alex. If he gets a bad burrito and ends up with excessive flatulence, it’s clearly a plot by THEM (and no, I’m not referring to ‘giant irradiated ants’).

Jones suffers from brain rot. And the big problem…it spreads. Symptoms are seeing conspiracies in everything.

21 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:31:38am

WTH is this?

US SEC monitoring situation with options trading halt

cnbc.com

WASHINGTON, Sept 16 (Reuters) - U.S. securities regulators said Monday they were monitoring the situation after at least four major options exchanges halted trading due to a glitch with the system that disseminates options price quotes.

Monkey business?

22 darthstar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:31:56am

This is why I prefer that, in situations like this (may they be fewer in the future), the media is just kept in the dark until the investigation has had time to find something. Just tell everyone that there will be a statements as details are cleared for release but that it would be irresponsible for people like Chuck Todd to be given partial information as they’re likely to spew it as fact, then question the integrity of law enforcement when things change…which is common in fluid situations.

23 jaunte  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:32:05am

Perfect timing from today’s Townhall email:
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24 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:32:37am
25 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:33:21am

If only they’d had guns!!

26 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:33:53am
27 jaunte  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:33:55am
28 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:35:12am

Gun free zones work better when you let Law Enforcement do what it takes to keep guns out of them.

29 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:35:14am

Was this even a “Gun Free” zone as wingnuts are insisting? Seems like it was a “Whole Bunch of Guns Zone”

30 missliberties  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:35:31am

re: #21 Justanotherhuman

Money crimes. That’s some serious sh*t.

31 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:35:36am

re: #27 jaunte

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“Used to”? What kinda Mickey Mouse outfit they running up there? Shouldn’t they have taken that back when he ceased working there? Or, at the very least, flagged it in the system as no longer valid?

32 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:36:45am

Re ‘Workplace Violence” meme—that’s what it is, whether it’s terrorism, love triangle, theft, whatever. The term derives from insurance and worker’s comp jargon. A taxicab driver getting shot is probably the most common kind.

33 jaunte  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:36:52am

re: #31 Targetpractice

Nothing confirmed as yet.

34 ObserverArt  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:37:01am

re: #25 Targetpractice

If only they’d had guns!!

Really can’t be said enough can it?

Watching coverage and Clint Van Zandt (FBI Profiler Dude) was talking about all the agencies in and around Washington that have guns. FBI, ATF, DC Cops, Federal Police for the Capitol, Military MPs, etc., etc.

35 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:37:11am

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

Was this even a “Gun Free” zone as wingnuts are insisting? Seems like it was a “Whole Bunch of Guns Zone”

Technically, every base is a gun free zone, in that only guns are only allowed to be carried by authorized personnel in accordance to their duties.

36 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:37:59am

re: #20 ObserverArt

Jones suffers from brain rot. And the big problem…it spreads. Symptoms are seeing conspiracies in everything.

Of course; then once it’s reached that stage, the sufferer will spend the rest of his or her life trying to tie it all together into one metaconspiracy.

37 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:38:14am

re: #33 jaunte

Nothing confirmed as yet.

True, but if that turns out to be the case, somebody’s ass is in a sling, because that is piss-poor security.

38 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:38:17am

I wonder if there is a dead guy in an apartment somewhere missing his ID card.

39 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:39:21am

re: #38 Kragar

I wonder if there is a dead guy in an apartment somewhere missing his ID card.

From reports I’ve heard, they’ve already arrested the guy whose ID is it. He was at home.

40 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:39:59am

re: #39 Justanotherhuman

From reports I’ve heard, they’ve already arrested the guy whose ID is it. He was at home.

Oh good, so he’ll be alive to stand trial.

41 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:41:06am

re: #21 Justanotherhuman

Trading resumes after earlier shutdown

Options trading was halted on all the major U.S. exchanges at 1:40pm ET because of an apparent quote dissemination problem related to OPRA, a so-called utility for the industry operated by the 11 major exchanges.

Between 12:30 ET and 1:40 ET, inaccurate quotes were being sent to vendors like online brokerages. OPRA stands for the Options Price Reporting Authority and is run jointly by the CBOE, AMEX, ARCA, BATS, BX, BSE, C2, ISE, MIAX, Nasdaq and PHLX.

The NYSE, CBOE, and Nasdaq all said trading had been restored as of 2:35pm ET.

The NYSE explained that there was a processing error at SIAC, which it owns. The cause of the outage was being investigated. SIAC operates OPRA, but the underlying technology is not owned by the NYSE.

42 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:41:09am

re: #40 Targetpractice

Oh good, so he’ll be alive to stand trial.

Assuming he is guilty of something.

43 darthstar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:41:46am

Dead shooter.

Prepare to have information stored in your brains about where he lived, what his family life was like, where he went to school, whom he donated to/voted for in 2012 (especially if it was Obama), and what his favorite boy bands were.

Because Americans need to know this shit…according to the media.

Off limits: any discussion of his involvement with fringe groups tied to the NRA, GOP, Tea Party, or Christian churches.

44 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:42:00am

Per NBC: Aaron Alexis, 34, civilian contractor from Texas

45 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:42:21am

re: #40 Targetpractice

The person whose ID was involved may not have been involved. Possibly stolen ID. Or, he was involved and was a co-conspirator who gave the shooter the ID to gain access to the Navy Yard. Investigation will sort that out.

46 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:42:43am

re: #42 Kragar

Assuming he is guilty of something.

Eh, I expect we’ll hear the usual “He stole it while I wasn’t looking, I had no idea he’d do this, I’m totally in the dark as to what the guy I’m sharing space with was planning to do with the stockpile of guns and boxes of ammunition.”

47 blueraven  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:43:10am

ID…Aaron Alexis Ft Worth TX: Pete Willaims NBC

48 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:43:22am
49 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:43:47am

They’re reporting the 2 “suspects” they’re looking for were wearing “military-style” uniforms, not necessarily tactical. So confusing.

50 darthstar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:43:47am

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

Per NBC: Aaron Alexis, 34, civilian contractor from Texas

Not a good time to have that name. Expect this poor bastard to get slammed:
twitter.com

51 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:43:51am

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

Per NBC: Aaron Alexis, 34, civilian contractor from Texas

I’ll wait to hear it from an official

52 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:44:40am

re: #47 blueraven

ID…Aaron Alexis Ft Worth TX: Pete Willaims NBC

COULDN’T BE HIM!! DOESN’T SOUND ARAB ENOUGH!!!

Mind you, if he’s black, the assumption will be Nation of Islam.

53 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:45:00am

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

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What is the implication by the shooter being black? Are they hinting at a racial element to this shooting?

54 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:45:05am

As everyone now goes to Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn to see if the guy left a manifesto, comments, or anything else online, including why he would carry out a mass murder spree.

And I expect someone will be incorrectly identified as the shooter. SS/DS (same stuff, different shooting).

55 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:45:34am

re: #50 darthstar

Not a good time to have that name. Expect this poor bastard to get slammed:
twitter.com

yep

56 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:46:03am
57 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:46:17am

never trust a man with two first names

58 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:46:18am

re: #53 Targetpractice

What is the implication by the shooter being black? Are they hinting at a racial element to this shooting?

IT COULD HAVE BEEN OBAMA!!11!!
JUST ASKING QUESTIONS11!!!11111!1!1!1

59 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:46:18am
60 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:46:41am

When your first worry upon hearing news of a shooting is “Is the shooter a white male?,” then you have a very fucked set of priorities.

61 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:47:23am

re: #53 Targetpractice

What is the implication by the shooter being black? Are they hinting at a racial element to this shooting?

The video show other people possibly carrying guns. No information whether they were attackers, defending themselves, unidentified security, etc

Given its location, seeing people in different military uniforms should not be surprising.

62 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:48:03am

Meanwhile, an editor at “The Guardian” insists that their web tracking bugs are not nearly as bad as NSA surveillance, because it’s only for adverts.

63 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:49:57am

I was wondering if this could be a parody acct but no, there’s way too much crazy attached.

64 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:50:58am

re: #60 Targetpractice

When your first worry upon hearing news of a shooting is “Is the shooter a white male?,” then you have a very fucked set of priorities.

The desire for the shooter not to be a member of your own race, religion, or ethnicity makes sense if your race, religion, or ethnicity is frequently pointed to as being violent or dangerous, because then you’ll have to, at the least, endure people looking at you askance. Possibly worse.

If you’re part of the majority culture, and you need it to be a member of some other group, you just might be a racist. Or an asshole. Or a racist asshole.

65 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:51:39am
66 blueraven  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:51:46am

Name: Aaron Alexis
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Age: 31 years
Processing Date: 09-04-2010
Alleged Violation:
PC 42.12(B) MA DISCHARGE FIREARM CE

bustedmugshots.com

67 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:52:09am

There’s a mugshot online from an arrest of an “Aaron Alexis” in Ft Worth in 2010 for illegal discharge of a firearm. I expect to see that all over the place any minute now…

68 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:52:34am

re: #66 blueraven

Name: Aaron Alexis
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Age: 31 years
Processing Date: 09-04-2010
Alleged Violation:
PC 42.12(B) MA DISCHARGE FIREARM CE

bustedmugshots.com

Looks like the site’s already getting flooded.

69 celticdragon  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:52:48am

re: #64 GeneJockey

The desire for the shooter not to be a member of your own race, religion, or ethnicity makes sense if your race, religion, or ethnicity is frequently pointed to as being violent or dangerous, because then you’ll have to, at the least, endure people looking at you askance. Possibly worse.

If you’re part of the majority culture, and you need it to be a member of some other group, you just might be a racist. Or an asshole. Or a racist asshole.

Youtube Video

Heh!

70 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:52:56am

re: #66 blueraven

yep, that’s the one I expect to see all over the place any minute now.

71 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:53:27am

One of the potential suspects has been found, IDd and cleared. Not involved as a shooter.

72 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:53:37am

re: #66 blueraven

Oh fucking great. Get to hear more vile racism from my dad.

73 blueraven  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:53:45am

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep, that’s the one I expect to see all over the place any minute now.

Probably…does fit pretty closely though.

74 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:53:57am

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

Per NBC: Aaron Alexis, 34, civilian contractor from Texas

An Aaron Alexis was arrested here in 2010 on a firearms charge

justmugshots.com

75 celticdragon  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:55:10am

re: #72 ProTARDISLiberal

Oh fucking great. Get to hear more vile racism from my dad.

Damn. Sorry to hear that :(

76 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:56:15am

re: #66 blueraven

Name: Aaron Alexis
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Age: 31 years
Processing Date: 09-04-2010
Alleged Violation:
PC 42.12(B) MA DISCHARGE FIREARM CE

bustedmugshots.com

That site is borked.

77 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:56:41am

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

That site is borked.

another website:

justmugshots.com

78 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:56:55am

Prepare for the wingnut onslaught as they air their “white victimhood” grievances.

79 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:57:05am

The local DC affiliate carrying the live coverage hasn’t said anything about the name of the suspect.

81 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:58:42am

re: #78 Targetpractice

Prepare for the wingnut onslaught as they air their “white victimhood” grievances.

Heh….yeah, no shit. It’ll be all over Twitter in the next hour or so, I figure.

OMG US POOR WHITE PEOPLE ARE BEING MASSACRED EVERYWHERE!1! or some such BS.

82 blueraven  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:59:50am

re: #79 Kragar

The local DC affiliate carrying the live coverage hasn’t said anything about the name of the suspect.

83 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:00:05pm

Prepare for the tsunami of wingnut tweets
IF BARRY HAD A SON THIS IS WHAT HE WOULD LOOK LIKE11!!!!11!!!

84 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:00:17pm

Police Clear One Man, Hunt For Another After Navy Yard Shooting Leaves 12 Dead

Lanier said the first person police were interested in was a white man between 40 and 50 years old, wearing what appeared to be a tan naval uniform with a beret-style hat. But a short time after the news conference, the police department tweeted that the man had been identified and cleared.

She said the second person was a black man between 40 and 50 years old, wearing an olive military-style uniform. He man was about 5 feet 10 inches tall, weighed 180 pounds and had a medium complexion with graying sideburns.

“We do not know if they are actually military employees,” Lanier told reporters. “But these are people that we really are believe that are involved in some way and we’re trying to locate those individuals.”

85 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:00:24pm

Thing is, is the ID some of the media is flashing the one that might have been stolen or another one recovered with the body? I suspect that, like Boston, this will end up being yet another media clusterfuck before the authorities step in and set us all straight.

86 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:00:33pm

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

Standing by for the NOI/Farrakhan/MB stuff to begin…

87 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:00:43pm

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

Prepare for the tsunami of wingnut tweets
IF BARRY HAD A SON THIS IS WHAT HE WOULD LOOK LIKE11!!!!11!!!

88 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:01:24pm

Eric Cantor, on what’s truly important in life.

The Riddle of Benghazi.


He just wants to hear the lamentation of the Administration. The lamentation of the Administration. The lamentation of the Administration. /sung to the operatic version of Conan the Barbarian

89 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:01:28pm

Oh great, it just had to be a black guy didn’t it? Here comes the racism tsunami from the RWNJs.

90 thecommodore  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:01:48pm

re: #43 darthstar

Dead shooter.

Prepare to have information stored in your brains about where he lived, what his family life was like, where he went to school, whom he donated to/voted for in 2012 (especially if it was Obama), and what his favorite boy bands were.

One of the suspects is reportedly a black man.

OH ONE OF OBAMA’S SONS WAS HE WEARING A HOODIE???

91 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:02:20pm

If this guy Alexis (confirmed through fingerprints they’re now saying) is the dead perp, how did he get a contractor job w/the Feds w/a record?

Piss poor vetting, like with Snowden?

92 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:03:12pm

re: #91 Justanotherhuman

If this guy Alexis (confirmed through fingerprints they’re now saying) is the dead perp, how did he get a contractor job w/the Feds w/a record?

Piss poor vetting, like with Snowden?

That’s a good question, because Snowden got his job only through whitey whiteman privilege.

93 blueraven  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:03:33pm

re: #91 Justanotherhuman

If this guy Alexis (confirmed through fingerprints they’re now saying) is the dead perp, how did he get a contractor job w/the Feds w/a record?

Piss poor vetting, like with Snowden?

He was arrested…not known if he was convicted of anything.

94 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:04:30pm

Can’t find any sign of the guy on Facebook. That’s probably a good thing. No profile for the crazies to pick apart.

95 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:05:29pm

re: #86 CuriousLurker

Standing by for the NOI/Farrakhan/MB stuff to begin…

Heh……sad but true.

Of course, the wingnuts will all start screaming, but I’m unaware of any acts of mass violence committed by the NOI. And the NOI is certainly an oddball bunch though I will say the individual NOI members I’ve encountered over the years are decent enough, if……a little peculiar.

96 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:06:10pm

Local affiliate reports that the Navy has issued an order to account for all active, reserve and civilian employees.

97 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:06:54pm


- the Nationals’ ballpark is adjacent to the Navy Yard and shares a Metro stop. That makes sense given the active crime scene.

98 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:07:16pm

I can guess the attack line already:

Obama and his socialist buddies arranged this so they can force gun control down our throats!

99 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:07:40pm
100 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:07:43pm

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

Can’t find any sign of the guy on Facebook. That’s probably a good thing. No profile for the crazies to pick apart.

Since when has a lack of internet presence stopped them from speculation? He’s black so they’ll automatically assume he’s a lifelong Democrat, probably a member of a “racist” organization like the New Black Panthers, possibly past gang activity, and most definitely voted for Obama. By tomorrow, he’ll have been a ticking time bomb from birth in their eyes.

101 ObserverArt  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:08:28pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

Per NBC: Aaron Alexis, 34, civilian contractor from Texas

Let’s build a big ol’ fence around Texas. And electrify it!

102 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:08:46pm

MOAR CRAZY LISA PHILLIPS DERP
Oops my bad, this was retweeted by Glenn Greenwald.
SORRY LISA!

103 b.d.  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:10:25pm

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

MOAR CRAZY LISA PHILLIPS DERP
Oops my bad, this was retweeted by Glenn Greenwald.
SORRY LISA!

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Emptywheel has fallen off the turnip truck a few too many times, I eagerly await her getting her own show on RT.

104 Jayleia  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:11:01pm

re: #95 Dr Lizardo

Many members of the NOI wear bow ties, they’re definitely oddballs.

HOWEVER… bowties ARE cool

105 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:11:48pm

OK, local affiliates are reporting the Alexis guy as confirmed by authorities

106 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:12:03pm

Navy Establishes Hotlines for WNY Families (2:35 p.m. EST)

navy.mil

“A number of agencies are investigating the incident including the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, D.C. Metro Police, and the FBI which has lead.

“As a result of the incident, the Navy has issued an “Order to Account” for all Navy uniformed personnel, both active duty and selected Reserve, assigned to commands in the D.C. metro area. The order also applies to family members, Navy civilian employees, as well as, NAF and NEX personnel. Personnel muster through the Navy Family Accountability and Assessment System (NFAAS). To muster, visit the NFAAS website at navyfamily.navy.mil.

They’re not fooling around.

107 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:12:46pm

there’s too much twittering in blogs, and too much blogging in twitter

108 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:13:56pm

…Today is pretty clearly a shitty Monday. Maybe I should just go back to bed.

109 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:14:07pm

re: #104 Jayleia

Many members of the NOI wear bow ties, they’re definitely oddballs.

HOWEVER… bowties ARE cool

Heh.

ZOMG! TEH DOCTOR IS A SEEKRIT MOOZLIM MEMBER OF TEH NAYSHUN OF ISLAM!!11ty!!

110 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:14:21pm

If they haven’t already, you can be sure all the local gun stores and sporting goods sections of your local big box store will soon see another massive uptick in business. “Oh my God, they’re coming for our guns!!!”

111 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:14:22pm

12 now?! Shit.

112 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:14:39pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Since when has a lack of internet presence stopped them from speculation? He’s black so they’ll automatically assume he’s a lifelong Democrat, probably a member of a “racist” organization like the New Black Panthers, possibly past gang activity, and most definitely voted for Obama. By tomorrow, he’ll have been a ticking time bomb from birth in their eyes.

You’re forgetting the other alternative, which is that he’s a gay {illegal} immigrant from Kenya, which is where all the atheist Muslim warlords live.

113 ObserverArt  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:15:25pm

This is kind of sad in a way. It has long been a fact that young black men have not been seen as serial shooters. It has been the domain of the angry young white guy. Now this.

114 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:16:18pm

Ya know, it’s not as though pissed off, conspiracy minded white guys haven’t shot up plenty of places over the last few years. One even flew his small plane into an IRS bldg…

115 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:16:55pm

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

Sharing my LOL cat’s with the juice now?! That does it!

///

116 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:17:54pm

re: #113 ObserverArt

This is kind of sad in a way. It has long been a fact that young black men have not been seen as serial shooters. It has been the domain of the angry young white guy. Now this.

Beltway shooter 10 years ago.
Just sayin’

117 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:18:39pm

re: #113 ObserverArt

This is kind of sad in a way. It has long been a fact that young black men have not been seen as serial shooters. It has been the domain of the angry young white guy. Now this.

If a mass shooter is white (or maybe Asian), it’s a Lone Wolf, ‘hoocoodanode’, probably played too many video games and listened to that rock-and-roll all the the hep young kids talk about these days.

If a mass shooter is anything else, it’s TERRORISM!!!!!!

118 b.d.  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:19:03pm

Maybe we can get some gun control now since it was a blah person who might have done the shootings?

//

119 Jayleia  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:20:44pm

re: #118 b.d.

No, that just means the melanin-impaired need MOAR gunzez. You KNOW how this works by now.

120 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:21:05pm

Lets not forget who the real victim is:

121 ObserverArt  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:21:56pm

re: #116 Vicious Babushka

Beltway shooter 10 years ago.
Just sayin’

True. A little different in the way crime annalists see it though. That was a sniper shooting one at a time. I’m thinking more like the Columbine, Aurora kind of massive gun shots to a group of people.

I could be wrong…but I’ve thought that even many African-Americans have made a similar point about serial shooters.

122 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:22:46pm

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

Lisa was twitter-gulagged?! //

123 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:22:56pm

re: #120 Kragar

Lets not forget who the real victim is:

[Embedded content]

What in the world is he talking about? IIRC, nobody blamed him or Infowars for the Boston bombing. But everybody climbed all over his ass for posting ‘False Flag’ within MINUTES of the explosions.

Oh, wait. I was thinking it should make sense. Never mind.

124 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:23:42pm
125 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:23:48pm

re: #120 Kragar

No matter the time of the day or the season, Alex Jones is the real victim always and forever. //

126 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:24:57pm

re: #122 Bulworth

Lisa was twitter-gulagged?! //

Totally wish the Zionist Overlords had power to stop Teh Derp. But sadly not.

127 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:25:01pm

re: #95 Dr Lizardo

Heh……sad but true.

Of course, the wingnuts will all start screaming, but I’m unaware of any acts of mass violence committed by the NOI. And the NOI is certainly an oddball bunch though I will say the individual NOI members I’ve encountered over the years are decent enough, if……a little peculiar.

Yeah, you & I know the NOI doesn’t do the mass violence thing, but they’re Muslim, Black, taught some pretty racist anti-White stuff back in the day, have strong ties to Chicago, and Farrakhan had ties to Libya (Benghazi!). Kinda hard to resist a big bag of juicy ODS fodder like that. //

128 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:25:32pm

And now for something completely different:

129 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:26:48pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

Yeah, you & I know the NOI doesn’t do the mass violence thing, but they’re Muslim, Black, taught some pretty racist anti-White stuff back in the day, have strong ties to Chicago, and Farrakhan had ties to Libya (Benghazi!). Kinda hard to resist a big bag of juicy ODS fodder like that. //

LOLOLOL

There’s a conspiracy theory just begging to be created!

130 AlexRogan  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:26:54pm

re: #128 Kragar

And now for something completely different:

[Embedded content]

LOLWUT, Bryan?

131 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:27:29pm

re: #128 Kragar

Somewhere, someone thinks Fred Phelps is too pro-gay for not advocating public stonings for gays.

132 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:28:18pm

re: #128 Kragar

Phelps and Fischer so totally deserve each other. I’m betting they’ll be sharing a spot in the afterlife next to each other.

They may like to think it’ll be heaven, but I’m not so sure heaven could take that much hate.

133 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:29:06pm
134 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:29:51pm

Whut?


Not that the House is doing anything…

135 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:29:59pm

re: #132 lawhawk

Phelps and Fischer so totally deserve each other. I’m betting they’ll be sharing a spot in the afterlife next to each other.

They may like to think it’ll be heaven, but I’m not so sure heaven could take that much hate.

Satan would likely have to cordon them off in some quiet little corner of Hell; “Sorry, but you guys are way too f***ed up, even for Hell.”

136 piratedan  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:30:36pm

re: #133 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

they couldn’t move because he had classified his apartment as a fertilizer processing plant…… ///

137 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:31:24pm

re: #131 GeneJockey

Somewhere, someone thinks Fred Phelps is too pro-gay for not advocating publicly stonings for gays.

138 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:31:59pm

re: #120 Kragar

Alex Jones ✔ @RealAlexJones

Will the media label the Navy Yard shooter an Alex Jones fan and blame Infowars for the massacre just as they did with the Boston bombings?

Why yes, Alex. If that particular shoe fits, somebody should cram it up your ass heel first and keep pushing.

139 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:32:03pm
140 danarchy  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:33:26pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

True. A little different in the way crime annalists see it though. That was a sniper shooting one at a time. I’m thinking more like the Columbine, Aurora kind of massive gun shots to a group of people.

I could be wrong…but I’ve thought that even many African-Americans have made a similar point about serial shooters.

Colin Ferguson

141 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:33:29pm
142 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:33:44pm
143 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:35:20pm

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

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I feel sorry for the kids.

144 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:35:22pm


The Senate closure may be related to the street shutdowns - limiting traffic and keeping access routes clear?

145 ObserverArt  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:35:31pm

re: #140 danarchy

Colin Ferguson

Okay. I’m wrong.

146 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:35:55pm

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

They’re free to, so long as they sign a waiver saying they’re responsible for the costs of any future rescue efforts.

147 Jayleia  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:36:10pm

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

So…they didn’t take the hint the first time…I guess they need a meteor then…

148 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:38:34pm

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

Image: dfs98df7sd1.gif

149 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:38:53pm

re: #140 danarchy

Colin Ferguson

One swallow does not make a spring. Mass shooters are still disproportionately young white men.

150 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:39:43pm

Beck: George W. Bush ‘Was A Globalist And A Progressive’

Last week it was Mitt Romney and today it is George W. Bush, as Beck explained on his radio broadcast that every progressive president ends up getting the United States involved in a war.

Woodrow Wilson was a progressive who got us into World War I.

Franklin Roosevelt was a progressive who got us into World War II.

Lyndon Johnson was a progressive who got us into Vietnam.

“I know Republicans don’t like to hear this,” Beck said, “but he was a globalist and a progressive: George W. Bush”:

151 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:39:47pm

re: #148 Dr Lizardo

Image: dfs98df7sd1.gif

When I first saw that gif I thought it was a cartoon of Cthulhu jumping up and down.

152 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:40:14pm

re: #151 Vicious Babushka

When I first saw that gif I thought it was a cartoon of Cthulhu jumping up and down.

LOLOLOLOL

153 b.d.  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:40:15pm

Alex Jones has 232,768 Twitter followers while Glenn Greenwald has 264,213 Twitter followers.

My question is, who are those extra 31,445 people?

154 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:40:56pm

re: #153 b.d.

Alex Jones has 232,768 Twitter followers while Glenn Greenwald has 264,213 Twitter followers.

My question is, who are those extra 31,445 people?

All Glenn.

155 Was Shellie Zimmerman Wearing A Hoodie???  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:41:04pm

re: #87 Vicious Babushka
I don’t even understand this person?
Is she really linking the shooting today with Obama? She has got to be joking.

156 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:42:17pm

re: #155 Was Shellie Zimmerman Wearing A Hoodie???

I don’t even understand this person?
Is she really linking the shooting today with Obama? She has got to be joking.

She is one of the Obama haters on Twitter. But still nothing compared to this:

157 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:43:37pm

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

She is one of the Obama haters on Twitter. But still nothing compared to this:

[Embedded content]

War Criminal says what?

158 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:44:30pm

re: #157 William Barnett-Lewis

War Criminal says what?

You’re thinking of Allen West. Alan Keyes is (I think) a talk show host.

159 Jayleia  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:45:11pm

re: #155 Was Shellie Zimmerman Wearing A Hoodie???

She seems to be using english words formatted in a way resembling sentences, but she’s apparently not using them to refer to anything resembling objective reality.

160 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:45:27pm

re: #153 b.d.

Glenn Beck sock puppets?

161 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:46:19pm

re: #158 Vicious Babushka

You’re thinking of Allen West. Alan Keyes is (I think) a talk show host.

Yep, Keyes is the guy the GOP likes to point to when they want to assure folks that there are black Republicans.

162 piratedan  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:47:04pm

re: #160 Eclectic Cyborg

Glenn Beck sock puppets?

Greenwald has a history of sock puppetry…. hence why so many folks grew tired of him so quickly in that if you have to go “incognito” to fellate your own positions and defend yourself, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

163 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:48:06pm

re: #158 Vicious Babushka

You’re thinking of Allen West. Alan Keyes is (I think) a talk show host.

Oh, yeah! Alan Keyes is the guy Obama beat to become Senator. Indeed, it was the 27% of the vote that Alan Keyes got that led John Rogers to the ‘27% Crazification Factor’

164 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:48:30pm

re: #158 Vicious Babushka

You’re thinking of Allen West. Alan Keyes is (I think) a talk show host.

Alan Keyes is always running for public office (and losing) and has been since at least 1988. He’s still pissed at Obama over the 2004 Senate race in Illinois (Keyes got 27% of the vote).

165 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:48:38pm

re: #161 Targetpractice

Yep, Keyes is the guy the GOP likes to point to when they want to assure folks that there are black Republicans.

You’d have to not know much about Keyes to find pointing to him to be reassuring.

166 Jayleia  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:48:45pm

re: #161 Targetpractice

Who once had a TV show on MSNBC (liberal media?!), ironically titled “Alan Keyes is Making Sense”…yes, really.

167 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:49:33pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Alan Keyes is always running for public office (and losing) and has been since at least 1988. He’s still pissed at Obama over the 2004 Senate race in Illinois (Keyes got 27% of the vote).

He is also a birther; Taitz filed a birther suit in his name because he ran for President in 2008.

168 Ace-o-aces  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:49:50pm

re: #161 Targetpractice

Yep, Keyes is the guy the GOP likes to point to when they want to assure folks that there are black Republicans.

Keyes is the guy they drafted to run against Obama for Senator after every one else (including Mike Ditka) turned them down.

169 Was Shellie Zimmerman Wearing A Hoodie???  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:50:07pm

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

Radical communist? she’s an idiots idiot! LOL.

170 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:50:27pm

re: #167 aagcobb

He is also a birther; Taitz filed a birther suit in his name because he ran for President in 2008.

And he’s a believer of intelligent design.

171 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:51:06pm

re: #167 aagcobb

He is also a birther; Taitz filed a birther suit in his name because he ran for President in 2008.

Keyes is kind of a “proto-birther”; I think a lot of the birther BS started with him.

172 RadicalModerate  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:51:16pm

re: #148 Dr Lizardo

Image: dfs98df7sd1.gif

I like this version better.
My Reaction

173 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:51:24pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

And he’s a believer of intelligent design.

And I believe he is estranged from his lesbian daughter.

174 b.d.  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:52:25pm

re: #172 RadicalModerate

I like this version better.
My Reaction

Maybe the same scene just filmed at a different angle?

//

175 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:52:25pm

re: #171 Dr Lizardo

Keyes is kind of a “proto-birther”; I think a lot of the birther BS started with him.

According to Republicans, Hillary was the first birther.

176 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:52:36pm

re: #172 RadicalModerate

I like this version better.
My Reaction

Heh. Yeah, anime headdesk - finest kind.

177 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:52:41pm

re: #169 Was Shellie Zimmerman Wearing A Hoodie???

Radical communist? she’s an idiots idiot! LOL.

Yeah, if you think OBAMA, who has practically governed to the right of NIXON is a ‘Radical Communist’, you need to turn down the gain on your political spectrometer.

178 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:52:49pm
179 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:53:02pm

OT: Los Pollos Hermanos on Yelp

The reviews are too funny.

180 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:53:09pm

re: #175 aagcobb

According to Republicans, Hillary was the first birther.

I’ve heard that one, too.

181 gwangung  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:55:12pm

re: #177 GeneJockey

Yeah, if you think OBAMA, who has practically governed to the right of NIXON is a ‘Radical Communist’, you need to turn down the gain on your political spectrometer.

To put it another way, there are some of us who had relatives who lived under Communist regimes. Like, um, Mao?

Calling Obama a radical communist is more than a tad disrespectful to their memories.

182 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:56:17pm

re: #175 aagcobb

According to Republicans, Hillary was the first birther.

Yeah. Her campaign may have looked into it. Here’s the difference - she stopped, long before she went public with it. She didn’t keep on and on and on in the face of reality. She didn’t accuse the Republican Governor and the Vital Records Department of a State of massive fraud.

183 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:57:40pm

re: #181 gwangung

To put it another way, there are some of us who had relatives who lived under Communist regimes. Like, um, Mao?

Calling Obama a radical communist is more than a tad disrespectful to their memories.

Very true, and thanks for pointing that out. It’s kinda like the Hitlerization of everything must be to families of Holocaust victims.

184 RadicalModerate  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:57:56pm

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Yeah, anime headdesk - finest kind.

The depicted character, Kuroko Shirai, is a treasure trove of reaction images.

185 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:58:06pm

re: #181 gwangung

To put it another way, there are some of us who had relatives who lived under Communist regimes. Like, um, Mao?

Calling Obama a radical communist is more than a tad disrespectful to their memories.

Also, considering that the 1% have made MOAR MONEYS off the backs of the working class than at any time since the Russian Revolution, Obama SUCKS AT BEING A COMMUNIST.

186 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:58:46pm

LOLWUT

187 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:59:17pm

re: #174 b.d.

Maybe the same scene just filmed at a different angle?

//

I see what you did there.

188 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 12:59:21pm

re: #186 Vicious Babushka

Who is this crazy woman?

189 piratedan  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:00:00pm

re: #188 Eclectic Cyborg

Who is this crazy woman?

I think she’s Prudence’s Muse

190 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:00:13pm

re: #188 Eclectic Cyborg

Who is this crazy woman?

TEH. MOAST. CRAZIE. ON. TEH. HOLE. TWITTERS.
Eat your heart out Prudence.

191 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:00:48pm

re: #188 Eclectic Cyborg

Who is this crazy woman?

Isn’t that the woman who puts so many ‘@’s in her tweets that she could only get three small words in each?

192 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:01:32pm

re: #191 GeneJockey

Isn’t that the woman who puts so many ‘@’s in her tweets that she could only get three small words in each?

I think those are all her sockpuppets in case Teh Juice Twittergulag her ass.

193 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:03:16pm

And there’s another chemtrail!

194 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:03:42pm

Alex Jones: Globalist conspiracy created Navy Yard ‘patsy’ shooter to ‘discredit’ me

Only hours after at least 12 people were reportedly left dead from a mass shooting at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday, fringe conservative radio host Alex Jones had already announced that the tragedy was a globalist conspiracy to “discredit” him.

“You better believe that even if they’re just pure jihadis that did this, even connected to Al-Qaeda groups out of the Middle East being commanded by the leader of Al-Qaeda last Friday to attack the United States… even if that’s the case, you can believe, like the last three or four cases, they’re going to try to connect it to Inforwars.com and yours truly, part of the long-term demonization campaign,” Jones explained.

195 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:04:03pm

re: #186 Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

[Embedded content]

*facepalm*

196 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:04:33pm

Maybe somebody should send Lisa the “Rainbow Sprinklers” video?

Dear Lisa, I am an Honest Israeli Jew and I want to let you know this Zionist Seekrit.

197 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:04:58pm

re: #194 Kragar

Alex Jones: Globalist conspiracy created Navy Yard ‘patsy’ shooter to ‘discredit’ me

Self-important douche-canoe.

198 Randall Gross  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:05:34pm

re: #194 Kragar

Alex Jones: Globalist conspiracy created Navy Yard ‘patsy’ shooter to ‘discredit’ me

Makes you wonder what’s there if he’s already flacking this heavy.

199 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:05:49pm

re: #194 Kragar

Alex Jones: Globalist conspiracy created Navy Yard ‘patsy’ shooter to ‘discredit’ me

My only regret is that I have but one face to palm for this horseshit.

200 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:06:55pm

I have to shove my fist in my mouth in order to keep from LOL.

201 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:07:30pm

re: #199 GeneJockey

My only regret is that I have but one face to palm for this horseshit.

Image: mega+facepaml+naked+gun.gif

202 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:08:18pm

OT, but I really want someone to record this. Ideally, a singer with a voice just like Ivan Doroschuk.

C, c, c, c
T, t, t, t
H, h, h, h
U, u, u, u
L, l, l, l
H, h, h, h
U, u, u, u

CTHULHU!!!

We can dance like Cthulhu
We can answer to his call
Watch him kick Lady Liberty’s head
down the road like a soccer ball

Say, we can dance like Cthulhu
Live it up while the livin’s good
Cause once he awakens, the world starts shakin’
and there goes the neighborhood

Say, we can dance, we can dance
Great Old Ones are in control
We can dance, we can dance
Hear them callin’ the call
We can dance, we can dance
Terror makes you go in a trance
We can dance, we can dance
Everybody’s shitting their p-a-a-nts

The Cthulhu Dance
The Cthulhu Dance
The Cthulhu Dance
YEAH!

It’s the CTHULHU DANCE!!!


Source: haibane.info

203 elizajane  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:08:52pm

A serious question tangentially related to this thread’s topic: how do you talk to your high-school-aged daughter about how a friend of hers (studious, quiet, white 15-year-old boy) brutally murdered an elderly couple just for the adrenaline rush?

We already went through hell when he was first accused, with her sobbing on the floor “why did he do it? Why did he do it?” Now he’s admitted it and there are really explicit stories in the newspapers, with details that she is inevitably going to be hearing at school today. These were TERRIBLE murders. Stabbing, mutilation, possibly torture. And he was planning to do more when he was arrested. This boy was a sociopath. How do I help my daughter to understand that somebody she saw as “sweet” (her term) was, well, sour? Here, the mental health issues are loud and clear.

You try to protect your kids from the violent society we live in and then it comes right home to you.

204 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:08:54pm

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

Somehow, I don’t think the Dudebro Revolution will succeed.

205 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:09:04pm

re: #158 Vicious Babushka

You’re thinking of Allen West. Alan Keyes is (I think) a talk show host.

Ah. I’ll go be embarrassed in the corner over here.

206 Robert O.  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:09:09pm

Information I got scanning the news sites:

The suspect is:
- Aaron Alexis
- 34 years old
- From Fort Worth, Texas
- African American
- Has a concealed carry license
- Has one previous firearms conviction in 2010
- Used an AR-15, a shotgun and a handgun at the shooting

207 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:09:20pm

12 years after 9/11, and the City’s Medical Examiner is still identifying remains.

Remains for 1,638 people have been positively identified. The most recent identification leaves 1,115 who have still to be identified.

The remains of a 49-year-old man were identified as the result of retesting of remains that were found during the original recovery operation, the medical examiner’s office reported. The victim’s identity was released to family only, who requested no further details be disclosed.

Nearly 22,000 remains have been recovered; identities have been matched for 63 percent (in some cases, multiple remains were traced to a single victim). A total of 1,115 confirmed victims — 41 percent of the total 2,753 — have never been identified, according to information provided by the medical examiner’s office.

Let that sink in. The families of those who were recovered may be receiving little more than fragments of their loved ones 12 years after the attacks. More than a 1,000 victims have yet to be identified - and it may be years (if ever) before they are identified positively by remains. For them, this is an ongoing horror.

And every so often, construction crews in and around Ground Zero and the neighboring buildings have come across fragments traceable to the 9/11 attacks.

208 Teukka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:09:26pm

re: #199 GeneJockey

My only regret is that I have but one face to palm for this horseshit.

I would think a combined headdesk and facepalm might be appropriate.

209 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:09:32pm

And already I’m hearing “guns rights advocates” nattering on about how this guy obviously had mental health issues and that we need to be addressing those in this nation and not guns.

Yegods.

210 b.d.  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:09:38pm

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

I have to shove my fist in my mouth in order to keep from LOL.

[Embedded content]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Chemtrails!?

Really?

211 darthstar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:09:50pm

In other news…

212 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:11:30pm

Woooooops.

Reddit bans subreddit for finding the Navy Yard shooters

washingtonpost.com

213 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:13:37pm

re: #208 Teukka

I would think a combined headdesk and facepalm might be appropriate.

I can’t take my eyes off you people for 5 minutes…

Image: facepalm6_1787.jpg

214 A Mom Anon  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:14:05pm

If it wouldn’t scare the shit out of the family right now I’d scream. FUCK.

You know, a lot of the holier than thou crowd likes to talk a lot about “signs”, from the Big Guy. Biblical signs and wonders and all that sort of stuff.

How many fucking shootings is it going to take before these idiots wake the fucking fuck up and realize THIS IS YOUR SIGN, that guns are fucking designed to kill and they’re dangerous and that maybe, just goddamned maybe that it’s a bad idea to let just anyone have a gun? Especially a big gun? Or a lot of guns? With lots of giant bullets? That maybe it’s really not going to fucking hurt a bit to have a system of background checks and weapons that should only belong to SWAT and the military? And do not even get me started on how in the hell this happened on a military base.

J.H. Christ, Esq, if you want to play with big ass guns then JOIN the freaking military or become a tactical unit type cop. Can’t cut the training happy pants? Too fucking bad, play football or take up boxing.

This shit needs to stop.

215 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:14:09pm

re: #210 b.d.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Chemtrails!?

Really?

Lisa Phillips retweeted:

216 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:14:51pm

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

Maybe you can interest Weird Al.

217 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:15:16pm

re: #203 elizajane

I was a junior in college when someone I knew as an acquaintance was arrested for murder. He was convicted and is serving life in prison.

There are no good answers. You can encourage her to talk to people as she processes it, but remind her that sometimes people are just really good at putting on a mask. At some point she may be working through her interactions with him to figure out if there was something she missed and it’s possible she’ll eventually see things in a different light - but she shouldn’t feel guilty if she doesn’t find anything either.

There are times where all you see is the facade.

218 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:16:55pm

re: #216 aagcobb

Maybe you can interest Weird Al.

LOLOL.

It would be epic if Ivan Doroschuk himself would do it. I don’t know if he’s a fan of Lovecraft or not.

219 Ojoe  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:17:54pm

re: #214 A Mom Anon

Yes it is horrible right now but without firearms the weak would be at the mercy of the strong and ruthless. Firearms in the hands of moral people keep us safe. Weapons are not the problem, it is the hate that is the problem.

220 erik_t  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:18:42pm

re: #219 Ojoe

Yes it is horrible right now but without firearms the weak would be at the mercy of the strong and ruthless.

[citation needed]

221 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:18:57pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

Let’s just wait for Wayne’s NRA to put forward a very serious proposal to arm all sch—I mean arm every Navy and military personnel. Oh wait…

/////

222 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:20:11pm

re: #207 lawhawk

Wow. Had no idea.

224 darthstar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:20:26pm

re: #211 darthstar

In other news…

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It’s a massive rally

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225 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:20:39pm

The director of Medstar (trauma center where the victims were taken) is giving an impassioned plea for gun control.

‘I would like to see you put our center out of business.’

Good for her.

226 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:22:29pm

DC Mayor: 13 dead now

227 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:24:10pm

re: #224 darthstar

It’s a massive rally

Image: BUTn0cZIQAAnqCF.jpg

“Why Not?”

lawl

228 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:26:06pm

FBI releasing suspect info

229 Sionainn  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:26:14pm

re: #203 elizajane

A serious question tangentially related to this thread’s topic: how do you talk to your high-school-aged daughter about how a friend of hers (studious, quiet, white 15-year-old boy) brutally murdered an elderly couple just for the adrenaline rush?

We already went through hell when he was first accused, with her sobbing on the floor “why did he do it? Why did he do it?” Now he’s admitted it and there are really explicit stories in the newspapers, with details that she is inevitably going to be hearing at school today. These were TERRIBLE murders. Stabbing, mutilation, possibly torture. And he was planning to do more when he was arrested. This boy was a sociopath. How do I help my daughter to understand that somebody she saw as “sweet” (her term) was, well, sour? Here, the mental health issues are loud and clear.

You try to protect your kids from the violent society we live in and then it comes right home to you.

I have absolutely no idea. None. I do not envy being in your position right now and hope I never have to be with my daughters.

230 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:26:20pm

Vincent Gray, mayor of DC: 13 dead, including identified shooter.

Parlav, FBI agent, confirming ID of Alexis, up at FBI.gov

Want info on him, recent movements, associates, if anyone has it.

231 Interesting Times  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:27:56pm

re: #225 makeitstop

The director of Medstar (trauma center where the victims were taken) is giving an impassioned plea for gun control.

‘I would like to see you put our center out of business.’

…and this is the response from Colorado recall voters:

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232 A Mom Anon  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:27:59pm

re: #219 Ojoe

I’m not asking for a ban on firearms. I’m asking for some more extensive background checks, certain weaponry out of the hands of the general public and if you’re a violent asshole who has a history of being a violent asshole than you don’t get to have a gun. Fuck you, if you want a gun then don’t be a violent asshole. If your answer to every problem is breaking things and people, then you don’t get to own guns. It’s not unreasonable. I grew up with hunters, cops and military personnel, none of them were violent assholes and took great care with all their weapons since there were lots of kids running around their homes on any given day.

Your argument has nothing to do with what I said.

233 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:28:47pm

FBI site is pretty frozen right now…

234 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:28:58pm

re: #194 Kragar

Alex Jones: Globalist conspiracy created Navy Yard ‘patsy’ shooter to ‘discredit’ me

Sounds as though Alex already knows the guy is an affiliate of some kind, perhaps from an Infowars registration, and is trying to do some preemptive damage control.

235 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:31:58pm

According to the Freepers, the discharge charge listed on the mugshot website stems from an accidental discharge. Guy claimed he was cleaning his gun when it went off, through the ceiling of his apartment, and into the apartment upstairs. Prosecutor decided not to take the case to trial. This apparently happened around the same time he was being evicted.

236 kirkspencer  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:32:14pm

re: #219 Ojoe

Yes it is horrible right now but without firearms the weak would be at the mercy of the strong and ruthless. Firearms in the hands of moral people keep us safe. Weapons are not the problem, it is the hate that is the problem.

I tire of this claim.

I refute the first with Somalia and Afghanistan. All have access to firearms in both nations. The weak are still at the mercy of the strong and ruthless. Why?

Because the strong and ruthless have firearms too.

This point also raises a secondary rebuttal to the second part. How do you ensure only firearms are only in the hands of moral people? I challenge you to explain how this is done without the dreaded ‘gun control’.

That said, I called it a secondary rebuttal. The second implies that arming the moral people is necessary to protect us, or any good nation’s peoples. Australia, Great Britain, and Japan have extraordinary gun control laws. Are the weak in those nations unsafe? Are their citizens more subject to the whims of the “strong and ruthless” than we in the US?

I invite you to propose a measure proving your point that uses those three nations, preferably that does not require swallowing gnats while ignoring camels and ideally one that will withstand Occam’s razor.

tl;dr prove it.

237 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:34:52pm

re: #222 Bulworth

Wow. Had no idea.

Yeah, it’s awful but there is a bit of a bright spot out of all this. The 9/11 attacks pushed the researchers and experts in the field of DNA identifications to come up with new techniques and they’ve managed to identify remains that only a few years ago would have been impossible. That’s helped countless other investigations as well since the remains recovered from the attacks have been found in such awful conditions. It’s pushed the entire field forward. Sadly, it took thousands dead to make that happen.

238 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:37:45pm

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

Quick Lisa. Hold your breath so you don’t breath ‘em in!!!! Oh, too late!!!

OFFS. I tire of this nonsensical ravings of lunatic minds. That just adds to the pile.

239 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:38:40pm

re: #219 Ojoe

Yes it is horrible right now but without firearms the weak would be at the mercy of the strong and ruthless. Firearms in the hands of moral people keep us safe. Weapons are not the problem, it is the hate that is the problem.

No, it’s an illusion only makes people believe they have recourse against the strong and ruthless. The little man doesn’t horde guns and keep arsenals and the people who do are neither moral or safe.

This “at the mercy of…” argument is a nonstarter when applied to any other topic.

240 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:38:46pm

D.C. Navy Yard Gunman From Fort Worth: NBC News
Suspect arrested in Fort Worth in 2010 for discharging a firearm in city limits

nbcwashington.com

241 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:40:04pm

Being reported shooter was prior service Navy.

242 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:40:24pm
243 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:41:03pm

re: #241 Kragar

Being reported shooter was prior service Navy.

Cue the “All vets are time bombs waiting to go off” narrative.

244 ObserverArt  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:41:28pm

re: #207 lawhawk

12 years after 9/11, and the City’s Medical Examiner is still identifying remains.

Remains for 1,638 people have been positively identified. The most recent identification leaves 1,115 who have still to be identified.

Let that sink in. The families of those who were recovered may be receiving little more than fragments of their loved ones 12 years after the attacks. More than a 1,000 victims have yet to be identified - and it may be years (if ever) before they are identified positively by remains. For them, this is an ongoing horror.

And every so often, construction crews in and around Ground Zero and the neighboring buildings have come across fragments traceable to the 9/11 attacks.

Imagine all the energy, both fossil, electrical, human to build those towers. All the energy built into all the materials. All the energy to lift all that into place during construction. All the tools, cranes, compressors, welders. All that same energy was released and expended in a downward motion in 18 seconds. Years turned into seconds. All that dust. I go into total mental meltdown when I see the images of those buildings coming down.

245 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:42:47pm

re: #238 lawhawk

Quick Lisa. Hold your breath so you don’t breath ‘em in!!!! Oh, too late!!!

OFFS. I tire of this nonsensical ravings of lunatic minds. That just adds to the pile.

I do as well, but a part of me finds it fascinating as to how people come to form these maniacal hypotheses.

Certainly, giving a microphone to folks like Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, et al, with their paranoid ravings and delusions, no doubt exacerbates the situation overall; it reminds me of the film “Network”, where Howard Beale, an anchorman who’d clearly suffered some kind of profound psychological breakdown, is hailed as the “Mad Prophet of the Airwaves” and given his own TV show, before he’s ‘canceled’ in the penultimate fashion by the fictional titular network.

246 ObserverArt  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:44:12pm

re: #211 darthstar

In other news…

[ mark @mlnga

Almost ten people attend rally to urge Jaguars to sign Tim Tebow sbn.to
4:07 PM - 16 Sep 2013 ]

That whole thing with Tebow is reaching the point of being sad and pathetic.

247 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:45:05pm

re: #246 ObserverArt

That whole thing with Tebow is reaching the point of being sad and pathetic.

Touchdown Jesus burns again

248 elizajane  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:49:52pm

re: #217 klys

I was a junior in college when someone I knew as an acquaintance was arrested for murder. He was convicted and is serving life in prison.

There are no good answers. You can encourage her to talk to people as she processes it, but remind her that sometimes people are just really good at putting on a mask. At some point she may be working through her interactions with him to figure out if there was something she missed and it’s possible she’ll eventually see things in a different light - but she shouldn’t feel guilty if she doesn’t find anything either.

There are times where all you see is the facade.

My other daughter in the same grade is a lot more worldly (and more perceptive about people) and she wasn’t surprised at all when she heard he’d been arrested. In fact, she knew from friends of friends that he was planning to murder his parents a couple of years back, which is pretty scarey! But daughter #1 is the type who always sees the good in everybody and always stands up for the underdog. She was on his side because he was weak and other kids were mean to him. So her worldview has been kind of upended. I hate to watch her beautiful trust and optimism being destroyed by reality.

At least she has not been in denial. Somehow she knew it was possible. Other kids at school are still convinced that he was framed (future Alex Jones followers) but she did accept right away that this could be who he really was.

249 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:52:09pm

re: #248 elizajane

My other daughter in the same grade is a lot more worldly (and more perceptive about people) and she wasn’t surprised at all when she heard he’d been arrested. In fact, she knew from friends of friends that he was planning to murder his parents a couple of years back, which is pretty scarey! But daughter #1 is the type who always sees the good in everybody and always stands up for the underdog. She was on his side because he was weak and other kids were mean to him. So her worldview has been kind of upended.

At least she has not been in denial. Somehow she knew it was possible. Other kids at school are still convinced that he was framed (future Alex Jones followers) but she did accept right away that this could be who he really was.

It is a huge shock to realize that your read on a person was wrong. I suspect that when he was first arrested was probably the worst of it and that while this will be unsettling, she’ll probably deal with it better.

I know I was in shock when I saw the picture in the paper and realized what it was he was accused of doing.

250 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:52:47pm

Shooter was a Navy reservist.

251 Randall Gross  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:56:16pm

re: #203 elizajane

I honestly don’t have much advice beyond making sure your daughter understands she’s in no way guilty or responsible. Explain that sometimes those with the most damaged morals are the most adept at disguising it, because someone in her shoes might be thinking “I should have noticed something” or “If only I’d been more (x,y,z) maybe he wouldn’t have …” so help her stop those thoughts.

252 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:04:05pm
253 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:05:30pm

re: #251 Randall Gross

I honestly don’t have much advice beyond making sure your daughter understands she’s in no way guilty or responsible. Explain that sometimes those with the most damaged morals are the most adept at disguising it, because someone in her shoes might be thinking “I should have noticed something” or “If only I’d been more (x,y,z) maybe he wouldn’t have …” so help her stop those thoughts.

This.

It’s a common response, but not a warranted one. There’s a reason why those who know the people who do these kinds of crimes usually fail to foresee it. It’s rare for anyone acquainted with a mass killer to say, “Oh, yeah, I knew that asshole would snap one day and kill a bunch of people.”

I think if you’re really a violently-inclined sociopath, you learn really early to hide those thoughts and feelings, and how to appear normal.

254 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:09:20pm

Navy released bio of shooter:

Aviations Electrician rating, 6 years in Navy, detached in January of 2011, no information about type of discharge.

255 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:10:41pm

re: #253 GeneJockey

This.

It’s a common response, but not a warranted one. There’s a reason why those who know the people who do these kinds of crimes usually fail to foresee it. It’s rare for anyone acquainted with a mass killer to say, “Oh, yeah, I knew that asshole would snap one day and kill a bunch of people.”

I think if you’re really a violently-inclined sociopath, you learn really early to hide those thoughts and feelings, and how to appear normal.

How many times have all seen the news, when a serial killer is apprehended and his neighbors say, “He was such a quiet guy; normal, didn’t cause no trouble, even friendly. Looked after my parakeet when I was on vacation” or something to that effect. It’s common.

Monsters don’t look like Jason Vorhees, or Freddy Krueger, or Leatherface; they look like your next-door neighbor, the bus driver, the mechanic down at the local garage. The monsters among us are all quite real, and until they’re apprehended for doing something monstrous, we have no idea of the depravity the people we encounter in everyday life are truly capable of.

256 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:13:56pm

Some friends and acquaintances talk about Aaron Alexis. Described as “sweet” and intelligent. Worked from time to time in Thai restaurant and treated like one of the family.

star-telegram.com

257 palomino  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:15:09pm

re: #5 Dr Lizardo

Everything’s a conspiracy to Alex. If he gets a bad burrito and ends up with excessive flatulence, it’s clearly a plot by THEM (and no, I’m not referring to ‘giant irradiated ants’).

Nice 50’s B-movie horror reference. Still one of my wife’s favorites for its cheesy paranoia, goofy special effects, but surprisingly intelligent story (at least for that genre).

258 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:16:51pm

re: #256 Justanotherhuman

Some friends and acquaintances talk about Aaron Alexis. Described as “sweet” and intelligent. Worked from time to time in Thai restaurant and treated like one of the family.

star-telegram.com

I’m beginning to wonder if this guy didn’t just have one real bad day and decided coming to work loaded for bear was the only way to “get even.”

259 darthstar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:18:53pm
260 elizajane  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:20:10pm

re: #251 Randall Gross

I honestly don’t have much advice beyond making sure your daughter understands she’s in no way guilty or responsible. Explain that sometimes those with the most damaged morals are the most adept at disguising it, because someone in her shoes might be thinking “I should have noticed something” or “If only I’d been more (x,y,z) maybe he wouldn’t have …” so help her stop those thoughts.

Yes, that’s pretty much exactly what she thought at first — “If I’d been nicer to him he wouldn’t have done it. I should have helped him.” I said, “You WERE nice to him, you treated him like he was a good person. That was all you could do. It was not your job to help him. There were school counselors who he talked to a lot, and doctors at the facility he was in last year, and it was their job to help him, and they tried, and they couldn’t.”

It’s such a horrible story. There were a million red flags up on this kid and still nobody stopped him from committing these gruesome, depraved murders.

261 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:22:14pm

re: #257 palomino

Nice 50’s B-movie horror reference. Still one of my wife’s favorites for its cheesy paranoia, goofy special effects, but surprisingly intelligent story (at least for that genre).

“Them!” and “Tarantula” are probably my two faves of the ‘big bugs’ genre. I first saw “Tarantula” when I was about 5 years old or so; the local indie TV station in LA (this was in the 1970s) always ran a ‘Creature Feature’ on Sunday afternoons.

Good thing I’ve never been arachnophobic, unlike, say…..my ex-wife who once ran screaming - naked - around the apartment when she saw a tiny spider on the faucet as she was about to take a shower. For a brief moment, I thought she was going to run out onto the balcony, LOL.

262 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:23:00pm

Details on shooter:

The suspected gunman was identified by the FBI as Aaron Alexis, a 34-year-old civilian contractor from Queens, New York, who most recently resided in Fort Worth, Texas.

The U.S. Navy said Alexis was a full-time reservist from 2007 to 2011. He left the Navy on Jan. 31, 2011, as a petty officer 3rd class and had been working for the fleet logistics support squadron No. 46 in Fort Worth.

263 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:23:36pm

re: #260 elizajane

Yes, that’s pretty much exactly what she thought at first — “If I’d been nicer to him he wouldn’t have done it. I should have helped him.” I said, “You WERE nice to him, you treated him like he was a good person. That was all you could do. It was not your job to help him. There were school counselors who he talked to a lot, and doctors at the facility he was in last year, and it was their job to help him, and they tried, and they couldn’t.”

It’s such a horrible story. There were a million red flags up on this kid and still nobody stopped him from committing these gruesome, depraved murders.

Maybe it would be helpful for your daughter to talk to one of the school counselors? Perhaps there are other students feeling that same as she is feeling and a facilitated group session might let them know they aren’t alone thinking that.

264 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:27:12pm

re: #261 Dr Lizardo

“Them!” and “Tarantula” are probably my two faves of the ‘big bugs’ genre. I first saw “Tarantula” when I was about 5 years old or so; the local indie TV station in LA (this was in the 1970s) always ran a ‘Creature Feature’ on Sunday afternoons.

Good thing I’ve never been arachnophobic, unlike, say…..my ex-wife who once ran screaming - naked - around the apartment when she saw a tiny spider on the faucet as she was about to take a shower. For a brief moment, I thought she was going to run out onto the balcony, LOL.

My son keeps a shot glass and a playing card on his desk for spiders. Cover them with the shot glass, and slide the card under it, then take them to the back door and release them. Slightly arachnophobic, but heard too many lectures in how spiders kill bad bugs to just kill them.

265 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:28:50pm

re: #264 GeneJockey

My son keeps a shot glass and a playing card on his desk for spiders. Cover them with the shot glass, and slide the card under it, then take them to the back door and release them. Slightly arachnophobic, but got too many lectures in how spiders kill bad bugs to just kill them.

hahaha! I do the same thing, and not just for spiders. Mostly it’s bumblebees and wasps.

266 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:29:20pm

re: #260 elizajane

Yes, that’s pretty much exactly what she thought at first — “If I’d been nicer to him he wouldn’t have done it. I should have helped him.” I said, “You WERE nice to him, you treated him like he was a good person. That was all you could do. It was not your job to help him. There were school counselors who he talked to a lot, and doctors at the facility he was in last year, and it was their job to help him, and they tried, and they couldn’t.”

It’s such a horrible story. There were a million red flags up on this kid and still nobody stopped him from committing these gruesome, depraved murders.

Sometimes, people are just broken, right out of the mold. Not sure what we can do about it, but it sounds like there wasn’t a hell of a lot ANYONE could do, let alone a teenage girl.

267 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:32:50pm

I just got saw this popup ad, “Who’s Right On Syria?” with a picture of Obama and Putin.

Who’s right? The guy who says Syria needs to get rid of the CWs? Or the OTHER guy who says Syria needs to get rid of CWs?

268 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:33:56pm

re: #267 GeneJockey

I just got saw this popup ad, “Who’s Right On Syria?” with a picture of Obama and Putin.

Who’s right? The guy who says Syria needs to get rid of the CWs? Or the OTHER guy who says Syria needs to get rid of CWs?

YES! NO! Um… DEFUND OBAMACARE?

269 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:35:50pm

re: #268 Kragar

YES! NO! Um… DEFUND OBAMACARE?

I guess it’s the price I pay for being a cheap bastard and not subscribing. But then how would I know about all those beautiful Asian girls seeking love, marriage?

270 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:36:51pm

re: #264 GeneJockey

My son keeps a shot glass and a playing card on his desk for spiders. Cover them with the shot glass, and slide the card under it, then take them to the back door and release them. Slightly arachnophobic, but heard too many lectures in how spiders kill bad bugs to just kill them.

Typically, I leave spiders alone. I have one in the entry hall here, and it doesn’t bother me.

The only time a spider made me jump was in 2001, in Prague. It’s hot in the summer here, so I sleep with the windows open. One morning I awoke to a genuinely gigantic garden spider on my pillow two inches away from my nose. I jumped up, the pillow went flying, the spider went flying, etc. I finally tracked it down, used a thin dowel to pick it up, and put it back outside.

271 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:37:01pm

re: #268 Kragar

YES! NO! Um… DEFUND OBAMACARE?

BENGHAZI!!11!!

272 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:39:29pm

re: #219 Ojoe

Yes it is horrible right now but without firearms the weak would be at the mercy of the strong and ruthless. Firearms in the hands of moral people keep us safe. Weapons are not the problem, it is the hate that is the problem.

Here’s an idea, lets live in a society where we have police officers and a national guard and an army who can enforce the law without needing civilians to be heavily armed to do it.

Sam Colt made people equal but take a look at Somalia and ask them how well that “equality” is working out for them these days…

273 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:39:44pm

re: #270 Dr Lizardo

You’ve never seen funny until you see a marine dressed in a full combat load realizes a banana spider just climbed along his face and up into his helmet,

Image: tumblr_mjmynfTs551rnxy6oo1_400.jpg

274 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:42:10pm

This is just getting sad.

Boehner To Obama: Help Us Delay Obamacare

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) accused President Barack Obama of delivering a partisan speech Monday and called on him to help Republicans delay Obamacare.

Yeah, lets get right on that. Fucknut.

275 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:43:40pm

re: #273 Kragar

You’ve never seen funny until you see a marine dressed in a full combat load realizes a banana spider just climbed along his face and up into his helmet,

Image: tumblr_mjmynfTs551rnxy6oo1_400.jpg

That’s one hell of a big spider. We don’t have anything quite that large here. I recall a few years an enormous hornet flying in through my window one afternoon; I’d never seen anything like it before or since. It buzzed around the room a few times and flew off out the window again.

276 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:45:46pm

re: #270 Dr Lizardo

Typically, I leave spiders alone. I have one in the entry hall here, and it doesn’t bother me.

The only time a spider made me jump was in 2001, in Prague. It’s hot in the summer here, so I sleep with the windows open. One morning I awoke to a genuinely gigantic garden spider on my pillow two inches away from my nose. I jumped up, the pillow went flying, the spider went flying, etc. I finally tracked it down, used a thin dowel to pick it up, and put it back outside.

We have Orb Weavers here in NorCal. In the late summer/early fall they weave really, really strong webs that are quite large, often spanning paths and such and extending over 6 feet in doing so.

How strong are they? Well, you know how when you walk into a spider web, you feel this wispy stuff on your face? Not these. You can feel them stre-e-tch across your face, and when you jerk back out of it, they pull back off your face, still intact. I think they could catch birds in the damn things! If you’re walking in the woods this time of the year, a stick to wave in front of you is highlyrecommended!

277 AlexRogan  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:46:21pm

re: #274 Kragar

This is just getting sad.

Boehner To Obama: Help Us Delay Obamacare

Yeah, lets right on that. Fucknut.

I hope that President Obama tells Boehner and the TPers to get fucked.

Politely, of course.

278 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:48:22pm

re: #277 AlexRogan

I hope that President Obama tells Boehner and the TPers to get fucked.

Politely, of course.

Obama’s reaction to Boner’s request.

Image: 1358838815527.jpg

279 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:49:50pm

lol Sarc.:

280 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:50:01pm

re: #277 AlexRogan

I hope that President Obama tells Boehner and the TPers to get fucked.

Politely, of course.

Pretty much did with the speech. He was making it clear yet again, after Boehner whined that Obama should “come to the table and negotiate” that he will not negotiate on the debt ceiling. Boehner’s got the votes to pass a clean debt ceiling increase, but that would mean losing his job.

281 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:50:26pm

Proof that no deed goes unpunished.

My daughter has made sure every girl in her 5th grade class is using “League of Gentlemen” quotes.

282 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:50:37pm

re: #273 Kragar

You’ve never seen funny until you see a marine dressed in a full combat load realizes a banana spider just climbed along his face and up into his helmet,

Image: tumblr_mjmynfTs551rnxy6oo1_400.jpg

Jesu Fornicating Christy!

283 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:51:18pm

re: #272 jamesfirecat

Here’s an idea, lets live in a society where we have police officers and a national guard and an army who can enforce the law without needing civilians to be heavily armed to do it.

Sam Colt made people equal but take a look at Somalia and ask them how well that “equality” is working out for them these days…

First we need to make the police responsible for our protection. As it currently stands, the courts have stated, repeatedly, that the police have no obligation to protect you. You have “no right to not be murdered”.

What you do have a right to is self defense.

284 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:52:26pm

re: #282 GeneJockey

Jesu Fornicating Christy!

The Marine in question had tried out for Force Recon, was heavily into weight lifting, total gung ho guy.

He was reduced to simpering tears and was ripping off his gear, “GET IT OFF ME! GET IT THE FUCK OFF ME!”

285 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:52:56pm

re: #276 GeneJockey

We have Orb Weavers here in NorCal. In the late summer/early fall they weave really, really strong webs that are quite large, often spanning paths and such and extending over 6 feet in doing so.

How strong are they? Well, you know how when you walk into a spider web, you feel this wispy stuff on your face? Not these. You can feel them stre-e-tch across your face, and when you jerk back out of it, they pull back off your face, still intact. I think they could catch birds in the damn things! If you’re walking in the woods this time of the year, a stick to wave in front of you is highlyrecommended!

The ex and I were in Cambodia and came across a huntsman spider in our hotel room. She promptly fainted.

Seriously. I’d never seen anyone faint before.

286 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:53:53pm

re: #285 Dr Lizardo

The ex and I were in Cambodia and came across a huntsman spider in our hotel room. She promptly fainted.

Seriously. I’d never seen anyone faint before.

I’ve seen it from the inside, twice. Embarrassing.

287 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:55:15pm

re: #284 Kragar

Was his name Hudson?
Image: EpWT717.jpg
Game over man! Game over!

288 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:55:59pm

re: #287 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Was his name Hudson?
Image: EpWT717.jpg
Game over man! Game over!

“How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?”

289 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:56:42pm

re: #273 Kragar

You’ve never seen funny until you see a marine dressed in a full combat load realizes a banana spider just climbed along his face and up into his helmet,

Image: tumblr_mjmynfTs551rnxy6oo1_400.jpg

ahhh, but all a tough Marine needs is kittens

290 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:56:46pm

re: #288 Targetpractice

“How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?”

There’s a zipper down the front.

Oh! THAT kind of outfit. Never mind.

291 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:57:41pm

re: #287 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Was his name Hudson?
Image: EpWT717.jpg
Game over man! Game over!

Nah, this guy looked more like Swede from Heartbreak Ridge. Big Mofo.

292 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:58:13pm

re: #285 Dr Lizardo

The ex and I were in Cambodia and came across a huntsman spider in our hotel room. She promptly fainted.

Seriously. I’d never seen anyone faint before.

Those huntsman spiders are awesomely scarey.

293 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 2:59:01pm

re: #277 AlexRogan

Courtesy of John Spartan:

Youtube Video

294 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:00:38pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those huntsman spiders are awesomely scarey.

They’re huge; I was surprised.

Once in Berlin, I was helping a neighbor clean out his basement storage, and this spider, a good sized one - though nowhere near as big as a huntsman spider - took one look at me and came right for in some kind of weird, arachnoid banzai charge.

I quietly squished it.

295 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:03:59pm

re: #294 Dr Lizardo

They’re huge; I was surprised.

Once in Berlin, I was helping a neighbor clean out his basement storage, and this spider, a good sized one - though nowhere near as big as a huntsman spider - took one look at me and came right for in some kind of weird, arachnoid banzai charge.

I quietly squished it.

We have loads of spiders here in the backwoods, but the wolf spiders will occasionally charge.
Sometimes I mistakenly use the wrong end of the shotglass in my attempt for a humane capture & release.
And sometimes my foot moves faster than my hand…

296 Jack Burton  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:04:43pm

re: #288 Targetpractice

“How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?”

“You secure that shit Hudson!”

297 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:05:00pm

Was doing yard work once and had to get some more gas for the weedwhacker from the shed. Picked up the gas can to find a good-sized black widow sitting on bottom. I immediately dropped the can, slammed the shed door shut, and yelled “FUCK THAT!”

298 Patricia Kayden  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:06:19pm

re: #1 Kragar

And the conspiracies are already beginning:

[Embedded content]

Oh thou great Alexander Jones the Great, please tell us why.

299 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:07:25pm

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

We have loads of spiders here in the backwoods, but the wolf spiders will occasionally charge.
Sometimes I mistakenly use the wrong end of the shotglass in my attempt for a humane capture & release.
And sometimes my foot moves faster than my hand…

It might have been a wolf spider that charged me; they have them here in Europe as well.

300 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:08:02pm

re: #296 Jack Burton

“You secure that shit Hudson!”

I was once informed by my guildmates that I was to simply post “Adds” when more combatants joined a fight, rather than use my macro where I yelled, “Come on! Come and get it, baby! Come on! I don’t got all day! Come on! Come on! Come on you bastard! Come on, you too! Oh, you want some of this?”

301 AlexRogan  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:08:11pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

Was doing yard work once and had to get some more gas for the weedwhacker from the shed. Picked up the gas can to find a good-sized black widow sitting on bottom. I immediately dropped the can, slammed the shed door shut, and yelled “FUCK THAT!”

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

302 urbanmeemaw  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:08:30pm

re: #134 Justanotherhuman

Just punishment, I think.

303 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:09:04pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

Was doing yard work once and had to get some more gas for the weedwhacker from the shed. Picked up the gas can to find a good-sized black widow sitting on bottom. I immediately dropped the can, slammed the shed door shut, and yelled “FUCK THAT!”

Many years ago I was helping my dad with something in the backyard down in Southern California, and we came across a ton of black widows. Dad didn’t say a word. He went back into the house, got a can of mom’s AquaNet, a Zippo, and sent the whole bunch of them to spider Hell.

304 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:09:08pm

one of my favorite huntsman spider photos

clock spider

305 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:10:01pm

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

It might have been a wolf spider that charged me; they have them here in Europe as well.

and sometimes they jump…
shudder…

306 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:12:08pm

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

and sometimes they jump…
shudder…

I was observing one of those little tiny jumping spiders once; it was on a railing. I got closer and closer, and I could see it’s two front eyes lock in on me.

It jumped right onto my nose. I flicked it away, and as I did, it landed in a co-workers hair.

Hilarity ensued!

307 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:13:05pm

re: #306 Dr Lizardo

I was observing one of those little tiny jumping spiders once; it was on a railing. I got closer and closer, and I could see it’s two front eyes lock in on me.

It jumped right onto my nose. I flicked it away, and as I did, it landed in a co-workers hair.

Hilarity ensued!

heh…good times!

308 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:14:34pm

I was working at my watchmaking bench the other day when a Daddy Longlegs meandered through, right across the work. I gently encouraged him to find someplace else to hang out. I suppose if I’d suddenly seen 8 big eyes staring back at me through the loupe, I might have reacted with less restraint.

309 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:14:53pm

For all you spider lovers, here is Desi, singing & dancing
Youtube Video

310 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 3:15:16pm

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…good times!

Heh. You’d have thought her hair was on fire.

311 NVAudiophile  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 4:29:55pm

Every time one of these mass shooting incidents occurs, I hope that some attention will be paid to the poor state of mental health treatment in this country. I would have hoped, for example, that the Affordable Care Act, compelled insurance companies to cover mental health treatment on par with other diseases. I would also hope that society would confront the stigma associated with mental illness and encourage people to seek treatment.

I would also hope that government agencies that employ people in sensitive positions (ie positions that require a security clearance) would reconsider policies that discourage those with mental health issues from seeking treatment, because under current policy seeking mental health treatment can jeopardize a security clearance.

312 urbanmeemaw  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 5:08:49pm

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

Network was quite prescient. Feels more true today than ever.

313 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 5:47:41pm

My best spider story is when I was a teen I was chopping wood in the yard alone in Las Vegas and I had a bundle of logs cradled in my arms and out crawled a black widow onto my arm. Had I not had the logs in my hands preventing me from moving them I probably would have freaked out and got bitten. So I did the only thing I could do. I blew it off my arm and it harmlessly fell to the ground.


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