67% of Americans Approve of Obama’s Diplomatic Approach to Syria

Despite overwhelmingly negative media coverage
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The media’s coverage of the Obama administration’s decision to pursue a diplomatic solution to the Syria crisis has been overwhelmingly negative, and not just from Fox News. But the latest Pew poll shows the American public is not going along with this narrative: Public Backs Diplomatic Approach in Syria, but Distrusts Syria and Russia.

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As U.S. and Russian diplomats reached an agreement over the weekend to dismantle Syria’s chemical weapons stockpiles, the public expresses support for a diplomatic approach to the crisis but is skeptical about its effectiveness.

By a 67% to 23% margin, the public approves of Barack Obama’s decision to delay military airstrikes and pursue a diplomatic effort to convince Syria to give up its chemical weapons. However, just 26% think Syria will give up control of its chemical weapons, while 57% think it will not.

More generally, the public has little trust in Syria. Just 8% say the United States can trust Syria a great deal or a fair amount, while 63% say Syria cannot be trusted at all and another 22% say it can’t be trusted much. The public is skeptical of Russia as well: just 24% say the United States can trust Russia even a fair amount, down from 33% last year.

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275 comments
1 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:57:36am

Just damn!! That noise I heard just now; was that Yellowstone finally erupting in an apocalyptic, extinction-level-event eruption?

Oh, no it wasn’t. Just wingnut heads exploding.

2 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:59:28am

re: #1 Dr Lizardo

Just damn!! That noise I heard just now; was that Yellowstone finally erupting in an apocalyptic, extinction-level-event eruption?

Oh, no it wasn’t. Just wingnut heads exploding.

If only they could appeal to the American public the way Duck Dynasty does…

3 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:59:34am

Too soon, dumbasses.

4 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:00:11pm

Personally, I’m looking at the trust percentage for Russia. Certainly seems that, despite all the loving praise the media has had for their buddy Vlad, it hasn’t translated to the public.

5 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:00:51pm

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

Too soon, dumbasses.

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Speaking of too soon, where’s Wayne hiding at? The NRA rarely misses an opportunity to crap all over victims.

6 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:01:50pm

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

From the link:

“Glynda Williams Markham obama needs to go away !!! What happened to impeaching him ????”

Reality.

7 simoom  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:02:20pm

In light of the UN report the Russians still won’t give up their rebel false flag narrative, though their claims are becoming increasingly haphazard and lazy:

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com

Mr. Lavrov also said Tuesday that the report did not reach a conclusion about “whether the munitions used in the attack were produced at a factory or were home-made.” He added: “It doesn’t answer our other questions. So the document needs careful study in conjunction with other evidence currently available online and in the media.”

As my colleagues Rick Gladstone and C.J. Chivers reported, the U.N. investigators “were unable to examine all of the munitions used, but they were able to find and measure several rockets or their components. Using standard field techniques for ordnance identification and crater analysis, they established that at least two types of rockets had been used, including an M14 artillery rocket bearing Cyrillic markings and a 330-millimeter rocket of unidentified provenance.”

In his remarks on Tuesday, The Washington Post reported, Mr. Lavrov “said the discovery of Cyrillic lettering on one of the rockets that delivered the gas was not significant. He suggested that other nations, including some in the West, have been counterfeiting old Soviet weaponry, and he called on them to stop doing so.”

As my colleagues also explained, the U.N. findings did contain evidence suggesting that the rockets carrying dozens of liters of chemical weapons had come from the direction of a Syrian military base:

One annex to the report also identified azimuths, or angular measurements, from where rockets had struck, back to their points of origin. When plotted and marked independently on maps by analysts from Human Rights Watch and by The New York Times, the United Nations data from two widely scattered impact sites pointed directly to a Syrian military complex.

8 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:03:56pm

23% disapprove/no EEG? Proof that the hardcore 27% nutcases aren’t all RW.

9 compound_Idaho  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:04:32pm

7 of 10 favor the approach. Only 1 in 4 think it will work.

10 Skip Intro  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:04:58pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

Speaking of too soon, where’s Wayne hiding at? The NRA rarely misses an opportunity to crap all over victims.

Wayne has a message problem. While eventually good guys with guns took down the shooter, first the shooter took down other good guys with guns, then took their guns.

This will require a little time to work out the strategery.

11 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:05:26pm

re: #9 compound_Idaho

7 of 10 favor the approach. Only 1 in 4 think it will work.

It’s not like we scrapped the B2.

12 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:05:34pm

57% don’t think Syrians will actually give up their chemical weapons. 49% will still oppose military action if diplomacy fails.

13 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:06:48pm

re: #7 simoom

In light of the UN report the Russians still won’t give up their rebel false flag narrative, though their claims are becoming increasingly haphazard and lazy:

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com

Seriously, that’s what they’re going to go with? “The West is providing counterfeit weapons”? Then why would the regime be so quick to clean up the evidence?

14 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:07:50pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

57% don’t think Syrians will actually give up their chemical weapons. 49% will still oppose military action if diplomacy fails.

51% want to see that ‘twerking’ thing again.

15 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:07:57pm

Larry Klayman (alleged pedophile) calls for coup against Obama

As conservative attorney and outspoken birther Larry Klayman sees it, the only recourse is for “people of faith and all true patriots” to take matters into their own hands and “cleanse the nation of the half-Muslim, anti-white, socialist fraud in the White House before the nation goes under for the final count.”

A piece by Klayman published Monday in Renew America serves as a gold mine of conservative fringe fantasies.

Citing “Benghazi-gate, to IRS-gate, to Navy SEAL Team VI-gate, to Fast and Furious-gate, to NSA-gate,” Klayman lamented that Congress is unlikely to “to remove the mullah-in-chief from office.” And with the courts taking a pass on weighing in on President Barack Obama’s “phony birth certificate,” that leaves only one option, according to Klayman.

“I therefore call upon all American patriots, once we obtain this conviction, which we will shortly, to converge on Washington,” Klayman wrote. “Millions should stand in front of the White House and other national treasures and demand that Barack Hussein Obama leave. If the Egyptians can do this with regard to another radical Muslim, former president Mohamed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood, then can’t we Americans do it with Obama?”

He added: “And, when we do converge on and “Occupy Washington” in the millions on a date to be announced for the week before Thanksgiving, the people may think about chanting: “Mr. President (to use the term loosely), put the Quran down, get up off your knees and come out with your hands up!”“

16 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:08:02pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

Speaking of too soon, where’s Wayne hiding at? The NRA rarely misses an opportunity to crap all over victims.

They usually wait a day or two before resuming their all-guns, all-the-time, without restrictions or limitations diatribes, so give them a few more hours.

And if it turns out that mental health issues were involved with the shooter (and I’ve seen a few reports indicating the guy was hearing voices), watch the same folks who have said that they support tightening these restrictions doing everything to ignore same, and claiming its video games or other such nonsense.

They too will continue to block background checks or anything that might less the chances that a firearm falls into the wrong hands.

Oh, and speaking of hands, the reports also indicate the gunman had a shotgun, but then may have taken two weapons from security he encountered after shooting them.

17 blueraven  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:08:09pm

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

Too soon, dumbasses.

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LOL… real response on the page

When is old BENEDICT ARNOLD here going to jail ??? FOR BEIBG THE BIGGEST TRADER THE … UNITED STATES HAS EVER SEEN !!!

18 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:08:52pm

re: #6 Kragar

From the link:

Reality.

I don’t think wingnuts really know what “impeach” means. They have some vague idea that it is “the only way a sitting President can be removed from office” but have no idea how to achieve that. They think they will get some seekrit signal to RISE UP with THEY’RE GUNZ.

19 blueraven  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:10:21pm

re: #17 blueraven

LOL… real response on the page

When is old BENEDICT ARNOLD here going to jail ??? FOR BEIBG THE BIGGEST TRADER THE … UNITED STATES HAS EVER SEEN !!!

Anyway, I thought BIG TRADE was a good thing!

20 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:10:48pm

Maybe they should change the hashtag to LNYABB “Let Not Your Ass Be Booted”

21 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:11:03pm

re: #15 Kragar

Larry Klayman (alleged pedophile) calls for coup against Obama

“once we obtain this conviction”

Details, details.

22 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:12:48pm

re: #17 blueraven

LOL… real response on the page

When is old BENEDICT ARNOLD here going to jail ??? FOR BEIBG THE BIGGEST TRADER THE … UNITED STATES HAS EVER SEEN !!!

As soon as Putin lets him out of Russia!

Oh wait, those patriots think that guy is a hero. And that Putin is a “manly man.”

23 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:13:00pm

Have you guys ever thought of electing Justin Bieber as your GOP leader?

24 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:13:00pm

re: #15 Kragar

Larry Klayman (alleged pedophile) calls for coup against Obama

I got good, solid, cold hard cash that says Klayman’s “millions” are going to be short by…millions.

25 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:13:30pm

re: #24 BongCrodny

I got good, solid, cold hard cash that says Klayman’s “millions” are going to be short by…millions.

I can imagine 10s of people showing up.

26 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:13:54pm

re: #15 Kragar

Yes, what all patriots should do when the party they favor loses an election. /

27 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:13:57pm

I have to shove my fist in my mouth to keep from LOL.

28 Skip Intro  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:14:54pm

re: #21 Decatur Deb

“once we obtain this conviction”

Details, details.

I think Larry means the conviction from one of his citizens grand juries. That’s a slam dunk. Then all he has to do is get the military to arrest Obama and drag him away in chains to await execution.

Larry has a vivid imagination.

29 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:15:14pm

Its beginning to look like the government will shut down on October 1. No-one is negotiating because McConnell has a Tea Party challenger (whose ad on LGF I’m looking at while typing this), so Boehner can’t accept a McConnell deal at the last minute while telling his caucus he gave it his all. Watching the GOP meltdown should be fun.

30 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:15:25pm

re: #24 BongCrodny

I got good, solid, cold hard cash that says Klayman’s “millions” are going to be short by…millions.

re: #25 Kragar

I can imagine 10s of people showing up.

Yet they have partial success in turning 2000-10,000 motorcycles into 1.5 million—a number I have seen pushed today. That was a fairly well-executed disinformation plan.

31 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:16:15pm

re: #7 simoom

In light of the UN report the Russians still won’t give up their rebel false flag narrative, though their claims are becoming increasingly haphazard and lazy:

In his remarks on Tuesday, The Washington Post reported, Mr. Lavrov “said the discovery of Cyrillic lettering on one of the rockets that delivered the gas was not significant. He suggested that other nations, including some in the West, have been counterfeiting old Soviet weaponry, and he called on them to stop doing so.”

Yes, because Lord knows, there aren’t a ton of old soviet weaponry scattered around the globe. (Sort of like 3rd gen Cameros in the South)

RBS

32 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:17:00pm

re: #28 Skip Intro

I think Larry means the conviction from one of his citizens grand juries. That’s a slam dunk. Then all he has to do is get the military to arrest Obama and drag him away in chains to await execution.

Larry has a vivid imagination.

“A well-regulated militia…”

THAT’S WE TEH PEOPLE!!11!!
WE TEH PEOPLE DOES NOT INCLUDE TEH BLAHS, TEH GHEY, TEH JUICE OR TEH VAGINA-HAVERS, OR TEH LIBRUL DEMOCRAPZ OR TEH MUZLIMZ!!11!!

33 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:18:12pm

“security protection”

So that’s what they call “jailers” now….

34 simoom  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:18:23pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

I love how that tweeter assigns the Russian handler’s words to Snowden to make it seem like he’s speaking freely and hasn’t essentially been disappeared (“I’m”).

35 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:18:29pm

re: #29 aagcobb

Its beginning to look like the government will shut down on October 1. No-one is negotiating because McConnell has a Tea Party challenger (whose ad on LGF I’m looking at while typing this), so Boehner can’t accept a McConnell deal at the last minute while telling his caucus he gave it his all. Watching the GOP meltdown should be fun.

What’re you talking about? Everyone knows the real issue here is that Iran and North Korea have been giving lessons to Syria on how to play the US and make it look weak!

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36 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:19:16pm

re: #29 aagcobb

Its beginning to look like the government will shut down on October 1. No-one is negotiating because McConnell has a Tea Party challenger (whose ad on LGF I’m looking at while typing this), so Boehner can’t accept a McConnell deal at the last minute while telling his caucus he gave it his all. Watching the GOP meltdown should be fun.

Yeah, it should be interesting to see if this will be another replay of the Gingrich shutdown, where the GOP spends several days seeing if the public will take their side and, upon realizing it won’t, quietly accept whatever deal the Dems offer them.

37 Skip Intro  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:21:18pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Yeah, it should be interesting to see if this will be another replay of the Gingrich shutdown, where the GOP spends several days seeing if the public will take their side and, upon realizing it won’t, quietly accept whatever deal the Dems offer them.

Back then, the GOP was still semi-sane. No more.

The first GOPer to suggest caving in to the usurper will be teabagged out of office, and every single one of them knows it.

38 jaunte  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:21:27pm

Texas SBOE hearings now underway, a creationist is first up:

39 sagehen  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:22:46pm

re: #29 aagcobb

Its beginning to look like the government will shut down on October 1. No-one is negotiating because McConnell has a Tea Party challenger (whose ad on LGF I’m looking at while typing this), so Boehner can’t accept a McConnell deal at the last minute while telling his caucus he gave it his all. Watching the GOP meltdown should be fun.

when the government shuts down, do Social Security checks still go out?

40 Skip Intro  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:22:47pm

re: #38 jaunte

Texas SBOE hearings now underway, a creationist is first up:

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Real Science. That’s the first couple of paragraphs of Genesis, right?

41 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:24:24pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Yeah, it should be interesting to see if this will be another replay of the Gingrich shutdown, where the GOP spends several days seeing if the public will take their side and, upon realizing it won’t, quietly accept whatever deal the Dems offer them.

It won’t be quiet this time; the Teahadists will wail and screech and call Boehner every name in the book as the GOP tears itself apart.

42 A Mom Anon  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:24:47pm

re: #15 Kragar

You first Larry, go ahead. I love how these brave defenders of liberty and freedom sit there and tell everyone else what they should be doing. Go on Oh Brave Patriot, lead the charge!!

43 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:25:54pm

re: #39 sagehen

when the government shuts down, do Social Security checks still go out?

I’m pretty sure they do because that’s not discretionary spending. A shutdown wouldn’t last a second past the old folks not getting their checks.

44 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:26:05pm

re: #42 A Mom Anon

You first Larry, go ahead. I love how these brave defenders of liberty and freedom sit there and tell everyone else what they should be doing. Go on Oh Brave Patriot, lead the charge!!

Larry is too busy watching the children to stand in the front lines.

45 jaunte  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:27:05pm
46 Lawrence Schmerel  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:27:09pm

I think President Obama has done almost everything right in regards to Syria recently. Obama has turned Vladimir Putin’s disarmament proposal into a very nice gift to himself by following it. I think the public will swing to support Obama’s military option if Syria doesn’t follow through.

47 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:28:04pm

re: #41 aagcobb

It won’t be quiet this time; the Teahadists will wail and screech and call Boehner every name in the book as the GOP tears itself apart.

Yeah, I was just wondering how many days Boehner will allow this childish display to go on before he says “Fuck it, this job isn’t worth this!” Destroying an empire to win a battle is no victory.

48 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:29:49pm

What is this… I can’t even…

49 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:30:25pm
50 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:31:25pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

What is this… I can’t even…

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Crystal Blue Derp, 99% purity.

51 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:31:26pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

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We have literally not seen or heard from Snowden since the day he left the airport and disappeared into a vehicle which then whisked him away somewhere.

52 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:32:58pm

re: #18 Vicious Babushka

I don’t think wingnuts really know what “impeach” means. They have some vague idea that it is “the only way a sitting President can be removed from office” but have no idea how to achieve that. They think they will get some seekrit signal to RISE UP with THEY’RE GUNZ.

Like the lawyers told Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI), he can’t impeach the President because that would require things like facts and evidence.

GOP Congressman has the sads, finds out he can’t impeach Obama just because he doesn’t like him

53 blueraven  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:33:22pm

re: #46 Lawrence Schmerel

I think President Obama has done almost everything right in regards to Syria recently. Obama has turned Vladimir Putin’s disarmament proposal into a very nice gift to himself by following it. I think the public will swing to support Obama’s military option if Syria doesn’t follow through.

unpossible!!! Everyone knows he got PWND by Putin.

9_9

54 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:34:20pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

What is this… I can’t even…

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A full quarter, 25% of Americans, want Obamacare blown-up! How can the GOP lose shutting down the government! Boehner is really going to be feeling the love from the Tea Party.

55 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:38:43pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

Sounds like he’s having fun. /

56 jaunte  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:39:10pm
57 simoom  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:40:24pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

It’s also an example of the Guardian almost uncritically repeating Russia Today propaganda because it suits their own Snowden narrative. Actually, that reminds me of all the times Greenwald has appeared on RT or has defended it.

58 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:41:05pm

More about Larry Klayman

Bradlee Dean’s attorney, Larry Klayman, allegedly sexually abused his own children

the presumably straight Larry Klayman, has allegedly sexually abused his own children.

A court recently ordered Klayman to pay his ex-wife $325,000 in attorney fees. Klayman appealed, but a judge tossed it out. What’s interesting, however, are a couple nuggets buried in the judge’s ruling (via Ken Avidor — emphasis his):

} The issues raised by Klayman involve credibility assessments made by the magistrate. Klayman challenges these findings. The magistrate heard evidence from the children’s pediatrician who reported allegations of sexual abuse to children services, and from a social worker at children services who found that sexual abuse was “indicated.” Although the social worker’s finding was later changed to “unsubstantiated” when Klayman appealed, the magistrate explained that the supervisor who changed the social worker’s finding did not testify. The magistrate pointed out that he was obligated to make his own independent analysis based upon the parties and the evidence before him. In doing so, the magistrate found on more than one occasion [Klayman] act[ed] in a grossly inappropriate manner with the children. His conduct may not have been sexual in the sense that he intended to or did derive any sexual pleasure from it or that he intended his children would. That, however, does not mean that he did not engage in those acts or that his behavior was proper.

{¶26} The magistrate further found it significant that although Klayman denied any allegations of sexual abuse, he never denied that he did not engage in inappropriate behavior with the children. The magistrate further found it notable that Klayman, “for all his breast beating about his innocence * * * [he] scrupulously avoided being questioned by anyone from [children services] or from the Sheriff’s Department about the allegations,” and that he refused to answer any questions, repeatedly invoking his Fifth Amendment rights, about whether he inappropriately touched the children. “Even more disturbing” to the magistrate was the fact that Klayman would not even answer the simple question regarding what he thought inappropriate touching was. The magistrate stated that he could draw an adverse inference from Klayman’s decision not to testify to these matters because it was a civil proceeding, not criminal.

59 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:42:02pm

re: #55 Bulworth

Sounds like he’s having fun. /

The past 4 weeks he’s been all like THE FUCK WAS I THINKING?

60 erik_t  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:42:58pm

re: #57 simoom

It’s also an example of the Guardian almost uncritically repeating Russia Today propaganda because it suits their own Snowden narrative. Actually, that reminds me of all the times Greenwald has appeared on RT or has defended it.

Well yeah, but he only neutrally defended it.

/

61 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:44:13pm

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

The past 4 weeks he’s been all like THE FUCK WAS I THINKING?

If you watch carefully, you can see he is blinking in Morse code.
/

62 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:48:05pm

Wingnuts and moonbats heads a ‘sploading.

63 freetoken  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:53:29pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

57% don’t think Syrians will actually give up their chemical weapons. 49% will still oppose military action if diplomacy fails.

And on DWTS last night Bill Nye was leading the pack in Facebook activity at 25%.

64 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:54:26pm

Americans have learned to filter the media and trust their own lying eyes. Things like this help.

65 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:55:10pm
66 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:56:37pm
67 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:57:00pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

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It’s not enough! We need to destroy the country to save it!

68 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:57:13pm

re: #28 Skip Intro

I think Larry means the conviction from one of his citizens grand juries. That’s a slam dunk. Then all he has to do is get the military to arrest Obama and drag him away in chains to await execution.

Larry has a vivid imagination.

That’s a very polite term for his affliction.

69 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:57:38pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

If anything, the deficit is falling too fast.

70 freetoken  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 12:58:44pm
2:40 - And with that, McLeroy’s fascinating (and nonsensical) testimony ends.

2:38 - Thomas Ratliff, who defeated McLeroy in 2010, asks McLeroy to try explaining again. McLeroy says students will see so little evidence for evolution in the textbooks that they will think that God didn’t use evolution.

2:34 - McLeroy is essentially arguing that the textbooks make such weak cases for evolution that the only alternative is what the Bible says. (“It’s weak!”) Interestingly, the creationists serving on the textbook review teams seem to disagree. Their reviews are filled with objections that the textbooks claim that evidence shows that evolution is well-established, mainstream science.

Ah yes, Texas.

71 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:00:45pm

re: #66 darthstar

“security protection” == minders

72 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:01:09pm

re: #64 darthstar

Americans have learned to filter the media and trust their own lying eyes. Things like this help.

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BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS DETROIT IS TEH SHITHOLE AND NOBODY THEIR HAZ A JRRB AND THEY ARE ALL ON FUUD STAMPS AND WILD DOGS ARE EATING TEH CHILDRENZ!!!11!!!!!!!11!!

73 freetoken  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:01:14pm

Texas - the Klein bottle of American politics.

74 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:01:26pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Omissions, burying the lede, and otherwise spinning furiously to further their agenda.

They want people to think that the NSA is running amok and spying on everyone everywhere at all times, when that runs counter to its mission and there are rules in place to govern the conduct of employees and the searches. The FISC is providing oversight. The NSA is carrying out its legally sanctioned mission of gathering intel for use by US policy makers in furtherance of US interests globally.

And the NSA is not breaking US law to do that.

Other countries spy on each other too, but that’s all ignored by Greenwald and his cohort. Inconvenient facts. Lots of them.

Brazil spies on its own and its neighbors. They’d be stupendously incompetent and stupid not to. Brazilian policy makers want to know what their neighbors are up to, so they can figure out domestic and foreign policy.

But Guardian spin has decided that Brazilian leaders will pitch a hissy fit over a known fact - known to anyone who follows international affairs even casually.

Assume that everyone spies on everyone. If you think you’re not being spied upon, you’re a rube.

But when the US does it, it’s super bad. Evil even.

75 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:02:18pm

re: #66 darthstar

I thought he was living in Russia.
/

76 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:02:55pm

re: #70 freetoken

Ah yes, Texas.

Oh and…this demented wingnut thinks TEH LIBRULZ have taken over Texas textbooks!

77 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:03:50pm

It is easy to live incognito in a thirteen-story highrise in Moscow with no names on the doors or mailboxes…

78 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:05:04pm
79 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:06:26pm

re: #74 lawhawk

American Exceptionalism as extreme naivety - we don’t need to spy on anyone!

80 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:06:34pm


DERP!

81 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:06:54pm

C’mon Tigers, don’t suck!

82 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:07:12pm

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

Oh and…this demented wingnut thinks TEH LIBRULZ have taken over Texas textbooks!

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Freaking morons. The text right above it says it’s a summary.

83 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:08:22pm
84 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:09:08pm

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

C’mon Tigers, don’t suck!

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Youtube Video

85 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:12:51pm

Well.. You won’t believe this story..But it’s true..
For the last month I’ve gone to BW3’s to watch my favorite football player, Peyton Manning now with Denver..I met a lady there that is a big time Bronco’s fan.
She is very attractive and fun to watch football with. She grew up in Denver and works in NYC. Well We met at BW3 to watch the game Sunday afternoon and will met next Monday night for the game. We had a wonderful time but at half time I asked her what the heck she is doing in Norman, Ok. Turns out she is doing a media course over at OU for a short time then heading back to NY. So I asked her who she works for in NYC.
She is a freaking Fox news Producer. She had hundreds of photos on her phone of just about everybody at Foxnews. Clued me in to who is cool and who is an asshole at Fox.
Man I was amazed at the stories of these people at Fox..I swore a pink swear not to reveal the secrets of assholes there but trust me..There are egos there bigger than the city itself. I commented about how many pics she had of Dana Perino with other folks on set. She told me to look again carefully. I did..And then I realized who I was seeing in those pics. It was her all deck out. I’d only seen her in a jogging outfit or Broncos gear with her hair pulled up. Good lawd..She cleans up like a new penny and looks a lot like Dana..So we are football pals now and It’s too bad she will be moving back to NYC in a month or so. I am so keeping up with her via email in the future. I’m starting to like her even if she produces Fox programs for a living.
I am smitten and would marry her in a New York second, I’m sure she gets plenty of dating options in NYC. Isn’t that strange? She is so cool.
Can’t wait till Monday Night Football and sharing what little time we have left together.

86 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:18:43pm

re: #80 Kragar

[Embedded content]


DERP!

Explain the children who get born with it then you insensitive motherfucker.

87 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:19:55pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Freaking morons. The text right above it says it’s a summary.

And even if so, if you read that, it can easily be interpreted as the people have the right to bear arms individually as well as in a state militia but because I’m not a wingnut who is paranoid about summaries………

88 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:21:02pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

Like the lawyers told Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI), he can’t impeach the President because that would require things like facts and evidence.

GOP Congressman has the sads, finds out he can’t impeach Obama just because he doesn’t like him

Although this is an amusing article, I don’t agree with it. All that is needed to impeach is a majority in the house. The GOP has that.

Conviction needs 2/3 in the Senate, which the GOP does not have.

This is the only reason there has been no GOP impeachment of Obama —- they would lose in the Senate and look like fools.

Facts and evidence really are irrelevant.

89 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:22:03pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

Like the lawyers told Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI), he can’t impeach the President because that would require things like facts and evidence.

GOP Congressman has the sads, finds out he can’t impeach Obama just because he doesn’t like him

If we could impeach the president just because we didn’t like him, then all of Obama’s predecessors would have faced impeachment hearings and that includes Washington and Lincoln. This idiot Bentivolio is a good argument though as why we shouldn’t elect morons who are just angry about BIG GOVERNMENT to higher office.

90 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:23:48pm

re: #25 Kragar

I can imagine 10s of people showing up.

Lets say we had a rally and post up a bunch of stolen crowd images. No one will know. This way costs are kept down, no need for permits or security, no PA system. It would achieve about the same.

Might even get Kilgore interested in how many OWS people were involved. We could say about 12%.

Life trudges on…

91 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:23:51pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Which means if anyone wants be a part of a well regulated militia, please feel free to join your state’s National Guard.

You want to have a 50 round drum fed assault rifle to defend your trailer house? No fucking way.

92 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:24:06pm

re: #78 Kragar

It would be irresponsible not to speculate….

93 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:25:04pm

My surprise that wingnuts would jump all over this as a talking point, let me show you it.

94 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:25:15pm

re: #85 A Man for all Seasons

Well.. You won’t believe this story..But it’s true..
For the last month I’ve gone to BW3’s to watch my favorite football player, Peyton Manning now with Denver..I met a lady there that is a big time Bronco’s fan.
She is very attractive and fun to watch football with. She grew up in Denver and works in NYC. Well We met at BW3 to watch the game Sunday afternoon and will met next Monday night for the game. We had a wonderful time but at half time I asked her what the heck she is doing in Norman, Ok. Turns out she is doing a media course over at OU for a short time then heading back to NY. So I asked her who she works for in NYC.
She is a freaking Fox news Producer. She had hundreds of photos on her phone of just about everybody at Foxnews. Clued me in to who is cool and who is an asshole at Fox.
Man I was amazed at the stories of these people at Fox..I swore a pink swear not to reveal the secrets of assholes there but trust me..There are egos there bigger than the city itself. I commented about how many pics she had of Dana Perino with other folks on set. She told me to look again carefully. I did..And then I realized who I was seeing in those pics. It was her all deck out. I’d only seen her in a jogging outfit or Broncos gear with her hair pulled up. Good lawd..She cleans up like a new penny and looks a lot like Dana..So we are football pals now and It’s too bad she will be moving back to NYC in a month or so. I am so keeping up with her via email in the future. I’m starting to like her even if she produces Fox programs for a living.
I am smitten and would marry her in a New York second, I’m sure she gets plenty of dating options in NYC. Isn’t that strange? She is so cool.
Can’t wait till Monday Night Football and sharing what little time we have left together.

Youtube Video

95 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:26:41pm

And now some good ole fashioned nightmare fuel.

Youtube Video

“Is anyone else awake? I want to tell you something. I know a secret. Do you?”

96 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:26:44pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

Like the lawyers told Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI), he can’t impeach the President because that would require things like facts and evidence.

GOP Congressman has the sads, finds out he can’t impeach Obama just because he doesn’t like him

I generally don’t go in for counterfactuals, but imagine if a Democratic Congressman had said this about Bush, or Reagan…

“I stood 12 feet away from the guy and listened to him. I couldn’t stand being there, but because he is president I have to respect the office. That’s my job, as a congressman, I respect the office.”

The Right would have EXPLODED! Hell, the MIDDLE would have exploded. He’d have found himself making an apology on the House floor.

97 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:27:02pm

re: #88 EPR-radar

Although this is an amusing article, I don’t agree with it. All that is needed to impeach is a majority in the house. The GOP has that.

Conviction needs 2/3 in the Senate, which the GOP does not have.

This is the only reason there has been no GOP impeachment of Obama —- they would lose in the Senate and look like fools.

Facts and evidence really are irrelevant.

Really? The House, because they have a wingnut majority, can just go ahead a vote for impeachment just because they don’t like the President?
Who knew “I hate you, nyah, nyah, nyah” was an impeachable offense?

98 jaunte  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:27:06pm

Ted Cruz is Ted Cruz crazy. Just be glad it’s him not you.

He thinks we might see the states call for a new Constitutional Convention.
While it requires at least 34 state legislatures to vote to make it happen, Senator Cruz thinks that “the possibility grows more and more” that we’ll see a Constitutional Convention called under Article V of the US Constitution, “if Congress continues to disregard the Am[erican] people.” No word what that convention would take up.
texasmonthly.com

99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:27:49pm

re: #88 EPR-radar

Although this is an amusing article, I don’t agree with it. All that is needed to impeach is a majority in the house. The GOP has that.

Conviction needs 2/3 in the Senate, which the GOP does not have.

This is the only reason there has been no GOP impeachment of Obama —- they would lose in the Senate and look like fools.

Facts and evidence really are irrelevant.

Also…the GOP is ahead of the game already looking like fools.

100 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:28:45pm

re: #42 A Mom Anon

You first Larry, go ahead. I love how these brave defenders of liberty and freedom sit there and tell everyone else what they should be doing. Go on Oh Brave Patriot, lead the charge!!

Not much different from some of the Al Q leaders are they?

Here strap this bomb on for your almighty. We will be eternally grateful. You will just be eternal.

101 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:30:05pm

re: #50 Kragar

Crystal Blue Derp, 99% purity.

“Say my name!”

“Heisenderp!”

102 sagehen  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:30:35pm

re: #91 Kragar

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Which means if anyone wants be a part of a well regulated militia, please feel free to join your state’s National Guard.

You want to have a 50 round drum fed assault rifle to defend your trailer house? No fucking way.

By my reading, 18th-century “well-regulated militia” translates in 21st-century to “highway patrol, police department, county sheriff, park rangers”.

103 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:31:21pm

re: #91 Kragar

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Which means if anyone wants be a part of a well regulated militia, please feel free to join your state’s National Guard.

You want to have a 50 round drum fed assault rifle to defend your trailer house? No fucking way.

What do you mean I can’t have a missile silo in my backyard?///

104 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:31:47pm

re: #101 BongCrodny

“Say my name!”

“Heisenderp!”

“THIS IS MY TERRITORY!”

105 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:31:59pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really? The House, because they have a wingnut majority, can just go ahead a vote for impeachment just because they don’t like the President?
Who knew “I hate you, nyah, nyah, nyah” was an impeachable offense?

Sure. Who gets to decide what constitutes a “high crime or misdemeanor”? The House.

This was essentially what happened in the Clinton impeachment. Perjury and obstruction of justice were total fig leaves.

106 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:32:01pm

re: #102 sagehen

By my reading, 18th-century “well-regulated militia” translates in 21st-century to “highway patrol, police department, county sheriff, park rangers”.

Judicial activist.// But the Constitution says that the US is a Christian country and Gays should be denied equal rights.

107 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:32:54pm

re: #102 sagehen

By my reading, 18th-century “well-regulated militia” translates in 21st-century to “highway patrol, police department, county sheriff, park rangers”.

Well regulated also implied the local militia would be using the same equipment, so they could share ammunition and repair parts in the event of attack.

108 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:32:58pm

re: #91 Kragar

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Which means if anyone wants be a part of a well regulated militia, please feel free to join your state’s National Guard.

You want to have a 50 round drum fed assault rifle to defend your trailer house? No fucking way.

That’s a common misunderstanding. However, by federal law:

10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes

US Code
Notes
Updates

Current through Pub. L. 113-31. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

109 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:34:58pm

re: #108 William Barnett-Lewis

That’s a common misunderstanding. However, by federal law:

So the unorganized militia is defined, and therefore should be well regulated.

In that respect, it is currently an abject failure.

110 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:35:16pm

re: #105 EPR-radar

Sure. Who gets to decide what constitutes a “high crime or misdemeanor”? The House.

This was essentially what happened in the Clinton impeachment. Perjury and obstruction of justice were total fig leaves.

Yeah apparently a high crime is lying about an adulterous affair. I realize Clinton did commit perjury but the fact that the Republican controlled House was investigating the sex life of the President was a crock of shit anyhow.

111 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:35:17pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really? The House, because they have a wingnut majority, can just go ahead a vote for impeachment just because they don’t like the President?
Who knew “I hate you, nyah, nyah, nyah” was an impeachable offense?

Well, they literally could vote for Articles of Impeachment, with a simple majority. There’s nothing in the Constitution to stop them doing it.

One HOPES that, even if they believe they COULD do it, and even if they believe it’s justified (though I’ll be damned if I see HOW), they may just realize that if they did, the wheels would completely come off the US Government. The Constitution’s one glaring flaw is that it’s not idiot proof. As trumped-up as the charges against Clinton were, at least perjury is an actual CRIME, which one might reasonably say he committed. But let a Congress impeach a President with no evidence, no facts, and a >45% popularity rating, and it would be the end. No President would hold office once his party is not the majority.

How the fuck do you govern in that situation?

112 Interesting Times  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:35:23pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also…the GOP is ahead of the game already looking like fools.

Too many others remain fooled by them, however…

113 Ian G.  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:36:21pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Yeah, it should be interesting to see if this will be another replay of the Gingrich shutdown, where the GOP spends several days seeing if the public will take their side and, upon realizing it won’t, quietly accept whatever deal the Dems offer them.

This is what is going to happen. The GOP is so wrapped up in its own hermetically-sealed cocoon of lunacy that they don’t realize that 75% of the country thinks they’re batshit and won’t support them when they try to destroy the country in order to save it. Orange John of Cincy will then do what he’s done before and suspend the Hastert Rule to ensure continued funding of the government. One day, he’ll be deposed and be exiled to a life of six-figure consulting fees on K Street.

114 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:38:04pm

re: #50 Kragar

Crystal Blue Derp, 99% purity.

Derping Bad?

115 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:38:27pm

Gun Store: Navy Yard Shooter Passed Background Check For Shotgun Purchase

A lawyer for a Virginia gun shop said in a statement issued Wednesday that 34-year-old Aaron Alexis, the deceased Washington Navy Yard shooter, purchased a shotgun and about two boxes of shells from the store last Sunday, the Washington Post reported.

J. Michael Slocum added that employees at SharpShooters Small Arms Range in Lorton ran a federal background check on Alexis, the private Navy contractor identified as the gunman who killed 12 people Monday, and he was subsequently approved.

116 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:38:40pm

re: #112 Interesting Times

Too many others remain fooled by them, however…

sadly true.

117 Ian G.  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:39:05pm

re: #98 jaunte

Ted Cruz is Ted Cruz crazy. Just be glad it’s him not you.

Exhibit A of the hermetically-sealed cocoon of lunacy. On what planet would any state to the left of South Carolina be in favor of a new Constitutional convention?

You know the legend of Pauline Kael and how she supposedly couldn’t believe Nixon was re-elected because nobody she knew voted for him? The right has taken over that role now, because they don’t know anyone who isn’t a 60-year-old white Christian from a small town south of the Mason-Dixon line.

118 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:39:34pm

re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg

Derping Bad?

“Look, I like making cherry product, but let’s keep it real, alright? We make DERP for people who don’t care. We probably have the most unpicky customers in the world.”

119 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:39:42pm

Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis was ‘not happy with America,’ friend says


usnews.nbcnews.com

FORT WORTH, Texas — Aaron Alexis was so unhappy with his life in America — where he was beset by money woes and felt slighted as a veteran — that he was “ready to move out of the country” last year, a friend said Tuesday.

“He was tired of dealing with the government,” said Kristi Suthamtewkal, whose husband owns the Thai Bowl Restaurant in Fort Worth, where Alexis worked in exchange for room and board.

A gun fetishist who hates the government….where have we heard that one before????

120 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:40:13pm

re: #119 Dr. Matt

Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis was ‘not happy with America,’ friend says

A gun fetishist who hates the government….where have we heard that one before????

Ted Nugent?

121 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:41:09pm

re: #115 Kragar

Gun Store: Navy Yard Shooter Passed Background Check For Shotgun Purchase

And this is why any sort of restrictive gun purchase or ownership laws in DC are essentially meaningless. Trivial to cross the state line into Virginia or elsewhere and purchase on the basis of much looser laws there.

The Washington Post reported back when I lived there (late 80s) about how easy it was to get guns in the District via straw purchase.

122 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:41:26pm

re: #119 Dr. Matt

Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis was ‘not happy with America,’ friend says

A gun fetishist who hates the government….where have we heard that one before????

But he’s black, so he must be an Obama-supporting Democrat, which makes this TERRORIZM!!!!!, as opposed to if he were white, in which case it’d be LONE WOLF!!!

123 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:41:48pm

re: #120 Kragar

Ted Nugent?

Yup. Plus Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, every raving lunatic on freeperville and brietard, etc., etc., etc.,

124 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:42:22pm

re: #120 Kragar

Ted Nugent?

Isn’t he dead, or in jail?

125 AlexRogan  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:42:57pm

re: #119 Dr. Matt

Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis was ‘not happy with America,’ friend says

A gun fetishist who hates the government….where have we heard that one before????

Sounds to me like Mr. Alexis had more in common with the RWNJs than I’m sure that they’d care to admit.

126 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:43:10pm

re: #121 Feline Fearless Leader

And this is why any sort of restrictive gun purchase or ownership laws in DC are essentially meaningless. Trivial to cross the state line into Virginia or elsewhere and purchase on the basis of much looser laws there.

The Washington Post reported back when I lived there (late 80s) about how easy it was to get guns in the District via straw purchase.

Its almost as if local gun regulations are bound to fail unless there is a nationally coordinated effort to control them.

127 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:43:38pm

re: #124 Decatur Deb

Isn’t he dead, or in jail?

Or, like Ariel Castro, both?

128 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:44:36pm

re: #126 Kragar

Its almost as if local gun regulations are bound to fail unless there is a nationally coordinated effort to control them.

What, you mean there’s no invisible shield at the Potomac that won’t let weapons through?
//

129 kirkspencer  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:46:09pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really? The House, because they have a wingnut majority, can just go ahead a vote for impeachment just because they don’t like the President?
Who knew “I hate you, nyah, nyah, nyah” was an impeachable offense?

Yes and no.

Notionally, the house can indict and impeach Obama for the high crime of lying to Congress about Benghazi and base it solely on the Fox News presentations and Issa hearings. It really is possible that the House could impeach on “I hate you, nyah, nyah, nyah.”

And given the blockheads in there right now it’s almost possible.

There are two problems with that (from the RWNJ point of view). The first problem is that 2/3 of the senate wouldn’t vote to remove Obama from office. So like Clinton, Obama would sit as an impeached president. That’s a bit of a nightmare for the right because there’s this belief that Clinton’s failed impeachment made him bulletproof and they don’t want a repeat for Obama.

The second problem - and in the end the real reason this congressman wants facts and evidence - is that it would likely lead to the house turning D. These ladies and gentlemen have to go out to their constituents for re-election. For about 1/3 of the Republicans, maybe as many as 2/3, their constituents would applaud. But there’s that third (or more) that would face constituents asking WTF they were doing, who would face (at best) a ‘sane’ challenge and (more likely) a Democratic opponent. If only half of them won - 1/6 of the sitting Republicans were replaced by Democrats - Pelosi would get back her gavel. (That’s 38 seats, by the way, and the R’s only lead with 33.)

The congressman was stating the simple truth that the need for facts and evidence would be not for the impeachment itself but to persuade the public that the impeachment was the correct thing to do.

Because EPR-Radar is (sadly) right, and you really can impeach on “I hate you.” The only restraint is the consequences.

130 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:47:07pm


Derp.

131 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:47:33pm

re: #128 GeneJockey

“I cannae get her to work Captain, there’s not enough power!”

132 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:48:03pm

re: #126 Kragar

Its almost as if local gun regulations are bound to fail unless there is a nationally coordinated effort to control them.

Pretty much applies to a lot of local laws regarding attempts to control objects or substances if the control laws vary across an easily crossed border.

Though I guess DC (or whomever) can put up walls, barricades, and a bunch of manned checkpoints. Should be a trivial cost.
//

133 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:48:17pm

re: #120 Kragar

Ted Nugent?

re: #124 Decatur Deb

Isn’t he dead, or in jail?

Texas.

Your mileage may vary as to whether there’s any significant difference.

134 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:49:21pm

re: #125 AlexRogan

Sounds to me like Mr. Alexis had more in common with the RWNJs than I’m sure that they’d care to admit.

But, but, but, but….he’s one “them”….a “thug”. *wink*

135 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:49:27pm

re: #112 Interesting Times

Too many others remain fooled by them, however…

Seriously. It’s frightening that the GOP can eclipse the Dems in ANYTHING, since they have no coherent policies. I don’t mean their policies are stupid. I mean they don’t have any.

What’s their foreign policy? “Obama’s not doing anything about Syria!”, till he does something, then it’s “Obama shouldn’t be doing anything about Syria!”, till Obama gets his way and Putin steps in to tell his client to toe the line, then it’s “Obama gets one-upped by Putin!”?

It’s gone beyond simply being the opposite of whatever Obama wants. Now it’s just inchoate rage.

136 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:50:19pm

re: #135 GeneJockey

Seriously. It’s frightening that the GOP can eclipse the Dems in ANYTHING, since they have no coherent policies. I don’t mean their policies are stupid. I mean they don’t have any.

What’s their foreign policy? “Obama’s not doing anything about Syria!”, till he does something, then it’s “Obama shouldn’t be doing anything about Syria!”, till Obama gets his way and Putin steps in to tell his client to toe the line, then it’s “Obama gets one-upped by Putin!”?

It’s gone beyond simply being the opposite of whatever Obama wants. Now it’s just inchoate rage.

It’s the Bizarro World equivalent of “Simon Says”.
/

137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:51:21pm

re: #115 Kragar

Gun Store: Navy Yard Shooter Passed Background Check For Shotgun Purchase

From what I’ve been reading, although he was arrested at least twice, charges weren’t pursued and there were no convictions. So, his criminal record for purposes of the federal background check wouldn’t show the arrests.
However, if the Navy did dishonorably discharge him, THAT should have shown up since it’s one of the prohibiting criteria.
As for mental health issues, that doesn’t come up on a background check at all.

138 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:51:53pm

re: #132 Feline Fearless Leader

Pretty much applies to a lot of local laws regarding attempts to control objects or substances if the control laws vary across an easily crossed border.

Though I guess DC (or whomever) can put up walls, barricades, and a bunch of manned checkpoints. Should be a trivial cost.
//

Ditto for immigration reform, which is why tantrum-based measures like Arizona SB 1070 are useless unless they are part of a comprehensive package of legislation to solve the problem, not just “it’s against the law, dammit” reactions.

139 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:52:26pm

re: #136 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s the Bizarro World equivalent of “Simon Says”.
/

I think the response to Michelle Obama’s ‘drink more water’ thing tells you everything you need to know.

140 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:53:48pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

From what I’ve been reading, although he was arrested at least twice, charges weren’t pursued and there were no convictions. So, his criminal record for purposes of the federal background check wouldn’t show the arrests.
However, if the Navy did dishonorably discharge him, THAT should have shown up since it’s one of the prohibiting criteria.
As for mental health issues, that doesn’t come up on a background check at all.

It depends on whether it was a dishonorable or a general - other than honorable discharge.

141 Ian G.  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:54:14pm

re: #119 Dr. Matt

It will be interesting to see how the NRA and its parrots handle Alexis. After all, the NRA is really more of an advocacy group for paranoid lunatic white people who harbor delusions of taking on the 82nd airborne all by themselves to preserve “freedom”. Nothing scares these people more than ni*CLANG!*s with guns, and a crazy one who shoots up a military facility…..well, that has to have these people even more paranoid than usual.

142 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:55:33pm

re: #98 jaunte

Senator Cruz thinks that
“the possibility grows more and more”
that we’ll see a Constitutional Convention called under Article V of the US Constitution, “if Congress continues to disregard MY OPINIONS the Am[erican] people.”

Fixd

143 freetoken  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:57:40pm

The denial - it flows like a river down in Texas:

3:48 – SBOE member David Bradley responds to a testifier with the old “Who’s talking about creationism here?” response. Umm…the official, board-appointed review panel members who are are sending their evaluations to publishers?!?

[…]

3:36 Mark Cadwallader, an engineer (why is it always the engineers?), tells the board, “Evolution is a theory that has had many problems over the years.” Complains that by teaching scientific consensus on evolution the books are actually “adopting a minority religious view.” [Eye-roll]

[…]

3:18 – SBOE member Ken Mercer suggests that people are losing their jobs because they question evolution. And he claims that folks are losing their jobs because of a religious litmus test. “That should never happen in a place called America.” (You could almost hear the faint strains of the national anthem behind Mercer as he spoke.)

144 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:58:16pm

re: #135 GeneJockey

The problem is I believe that the GOP has succeeded in framing the public debate on a lot of issues. In my opinion, there are louder and better organized voices on the GOP side than the Democratic side.

I also don’t think Democrats have gone on the offensive as much as they need to, rather they’ve simply reacted, as needed, to the GOP’s craziness.

Unfortunately for a lot of people it comes down to: “Well I can’t stand the GOP, but the Democrats do nothing for me either.”

With Congress such a mess, the public blames both parties and develops a hatred for politicians in general.

145 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:00:27pm

Aaron Alexis, alleged Navy Yard shooting gunman, showed “pattern of misconduct” in military

He then spent four years working as an aviation electrician’s mate, most recently at the naval air station in Fort Worth, Texas. Military records show “a pattern of misconduct,” though in January 2011 Alexis received an honorable discharge.

In all likelihood, what Alexis got was a general discharge. Basically it means he concluded his service, but there were enough problems in his record to prevent a real honorable discharge and would not allow him to re-enlist.

146 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:00:29pm

re: #141 Ian G.

It will be interesting to see how the NRA and its parrots handle Alexis. After all, the NRA is really more of an advocacy group for paranoid lunatic white people who harbor delusions of taking on the 82nd airborne all by themselves to preserve “freedom”. Nothing scares these people more than ni*CLANG!*s with guns, and a crazy one who shoots up a military facility…..well, that has to have these people even more paranoid than usual.

I really think this is the key to the way the gun issue swung since 1980. Scared white folks started reading/hearing about driveby shootings in black neighborhoods, and they realized that blacks had guns. Because they couldn’t come up with a way to keep the blacks from getting guns, they wanted to make sure they were better armed. The problem is, criminals of whatever color now had easier access to more and louder guns. That they use them primarily on poor and minority people is irrelevant.

So we’re in a self-inflicted, self-propagating arms race, where scared white folks try to arm themselves enough to fight off their own paranoid fantasies. How do you beat your own imagination?

147 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:01:46pm

NOTE: An Honorable and General discharge both fall into the positive categories for discharges. The remaining 3 being OTH, Bad Conduct and Dishonorable.

148 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:03:02pm

re: #145 Kragar

Aaron Alexis, alleged Navy Yard shooting gunman, showed “pattern of misconduct” in military

In all likelihood, what Alexis got was a general discharge. Basically it means he concluded his service, but there were enough problems in his record to prevent a real honorable discharge and would not allow him to re-enlist.

My understanding is that they wanted to give him a general discharge, but there wasn’t enough evidence to warrant anything less than honorable.

149 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:03:12pm

re: #145 Kragar

Aaron Alexis, alleged Navy Yard shooting gunman, showed “pattern of misconduct” in military

In all likelihood, what Alexis got was a general discharge. Basically it means he concluded his service, but there were enough problems in his record to prevent a real honorable discharge and would not allow him to re-enlist.

What I saw on the news last night was that he had indeed gotten a General Discharge.

150 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:04:02pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

I read earlier that he received an honorable discharge even though he exhibited a “pattern of misconduct”. If that’s true, I know the type. I served with them. They were slackers. They didn’t break the law, but also didn’t follow the rules. They walked a fine line.

151 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:05:29pm

re: #147 Kragar

I just doubled-checked the criteria for prohibiting gun sales and there is indeed a mental health item.
The various criteria are listed toward the bottom of the page:

National Instant Criminal Background Check Fact Sheet

152 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:06:05pm
153 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:07:21pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

My understanding is that they wanted to give him a general discharge, but there wasn’t enough evidence to warrant anything less than honorable.

Just posted a page with the info. They were pursuing an OTH but were running into problems with the case against him. When the option for him to get out early came up, they granted him an honorable discharge to get him out of the service.

154 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:07:48pm

re: #153 Kragar

Just posted a page with the info. They were pursuing an OTH but were running into problems with the case against him. When the option for him to get out early came up, they granted him an honorable discharge to get him out of the service.

That’s what I figured, give him an honorable just to be rid of him.

155 AlexRogan  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:08:10pm

re: #50 Kragar

Crystal Blue Derp, 99% purity.

re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg

Derping Bad?

re: #118 Kragar

“Look, I like making cherry product, but let’s keep it real, alright? We make DERP for people who don’t care. We probably have the most unpicky customers in the world.”

The Breaking Bad riffing prompted me to put this up (the trailer for “Ozymandias”, this past episode); it seems so apt with how the series is winding down (and heating up):
Youtube Video

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: `Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear —
“My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

156 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:08:35pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

The problem is I believe that the GOP has succeeded in framing the public debate on a lot of issues. In my opinion, there are louder and better organized voices on the GOP side than the Democratic side.

I also don’t think Democrats have gone on the offensive as much as they need to, rather they’ve simply reacted, as needed, to the GOP’s craziness.

Unfortunately for a lot of people it comes down to: “Well I can’t stand the GOP, but the Democrats do nothing for me either.”

With Congress such a mess, the public blames both parties and develops a hatred for politicians in general.

I blame 3 things:

1. The Dems. They could have done more to highlight and sell their agenda and policies, though trying to fight an opponent who’s willing to shamelessly and endlessly lie is not easy. Hence…

2. The Media. There’s no need to ‘balance’ between sanity and craziness, between truth and complete mendacity. Their job is to be NEUTRAL, not balanced, and say who’s telling the truth, and who’s spewing bullshit. But it doesn’t matter if nobody reads it. Hence…

3. The Public. You can’t run a representative democracy well if the voting public don’t pay attention, and these poll results indicate they’re asleep at the wheel.

157 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:09:40pm

i am getting reports that the partially evolved primate species on the blue and white planet still posses killing devices that they are unable to handle properly

please look into it

158 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:20:36pm

OT, but amusing redstate.com

The merry band at Redstate recently had a popular whine fest about media bias (99 comments).

As usual, the projection in the comments was on an epic scale. If that could be harnessed as useful energy, we could probably ignite new stars at will.

159 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:22:01pm

re: #146 GeneJockey

I really think this is the key to the way the gun issue swung since 1980. Scared white folks started reading/hearing about driveby shootings in black neighborhoods, and they realized that blacks had guns. Because they couldn’t come up with a way to keep the blacks from getting guns, they wanted to make sure they were better armed. The problem is, criminals of whatever color now had easier access to more and louder guns. That they use them primarily on poor and minority people is irrelevant.

So we’re in a self-inflicted, self-propagating arms race, where scared white folks try to arm themselves enough to fight off their own paranoid fantasies. How do you beat your own imagination?

Monsters of the ID always win.

160 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:24:22pm

re: #159 Feline Fearless Leader

Monsters of the ID always win.

Oh really?

161 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:25:29pm

re: #160 Kragar

Oh really?

Unless you manage to just think of something totally innocent and harmless, like Mr Staypuft.
O_o

162 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:26:29pm

re: #159 Feline Fearless Leader

Monsters of the ID always win.

Upding for Forbidden Planet ref

163 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:28:00pm

re: #161 Feline Fearless Leader

Unless you manage to just think of something totally innocent and harmless, like Mr Staypuft.
O_o

“What did you DO, Ray?!”

164 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:33:29pm

I see the media is in full ‘blame video games’ mode with regards to the Navy Yard shooting.
e_e

165 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:34:51pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

If someone asks you if you’re a God, you say YES!

166 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:34:55pm

re: #164 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I see the media is in full ‘blame video games’ mode with regards to the Navy Yard shooting.
e_e

Have they blamed the Pearl Harbor attack and the rest of WW2 on that yet? It’s next on the agenda.
//

167 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:35:15pm

re: #164 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Which so happened to occur on the very day Grand Theft Auto V released.

168 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:36:40pm

re: #164 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I see the media is in full ‘blame video games’ mode with regards to the Navy Yard shooting.
e_e

How many people received injuries that match up with those caused by video games?

169 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:37:22pm

re: #168 Kragar

How many people received injuries that match up with those caused by video games?

Look, it was only one guy who I used the Unrelenting Force shout on. I didn’t know it could hurt somebody that much!

///

170 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:39:55pm

re: #168 Kragar

I don’t recall an epidemic of kids getting stomped on the head when I was in school in the 80s.

//

171 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:41:07pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t recall an epidemic of kids getting stomped on the head when I was in school.

//

Or run over by giant centipedes.

172 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:43:59pm
173 AlexRogan  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:50:56pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

Heh, this is funny:

Dr. Dre Beats knockoffs: Sound by Steve

Who’s ‘Steve’?

Inquiring minds want to know…

174 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:51:36pm

re: #171 Feline Fearless Leader

Or run over by giant centipedes.

There is a distinct lack of arrows to knees.

175 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:53:37pm

re: #174 klys

There is a distinct lack of arrows to knees.

Not in my game. I made it a point to shoot guards in the knees.

176 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:54:03pm

WTH? Did the font change on LGF? Or am I stoned?

177 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:54:35pm

I really wonder about the story from yesterday about the Turks claiming a Turkish jet shot down a Syrian Helicopter. Liveleak videos yesterday showed rebels shooting it down with a shoulder fired missile, shouting “allahu ackbar” and then shooting at the pilots parachutes afterward. Today they posted video of beheading the pilots. I suspect the Turkish airforce wasn’t much involved.

178 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:55:09pm

re: #176 Dr. Matt

WTH? Did the font change on LGF? Or am I stoned?

oh dear…must be witching hour at your place…

179 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:56:00pm

re: #176 Dr. Matt

WTH? Did the font change on LGF? Or am I stoned?

Well, I don’t know if you’re stoned, but yes, I changed the font to Open Sans. Not sure if I’ll keep it yet, just wanted to see what it looks like as the body text.

180 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:57:55pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Well, I don’t know if you’re stoned, but yes, I changed the font to Open Sans. Not sure if I’ll keep it yet, just wanted to see what it looks like as the body text.

seems highly readable to me

181 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:59:40pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Well, I don’t know if you’re stoned, but yes, I changed the font to Open Sans. Not sure if I’ll keep it yet, just wanted to see what it looks like as the body text.

My 2 cents. I’m having a bit of trouble adjusting to it. It seems too dense.

182 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:00:12pm

Speaking of Syria propaganda videos on liveleak, now there are even parodies.
Liveleak Video

183 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:01:04pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Well, I don’t know if you’re stoned, but yes, I changed the font to Open Sans. Not sure if I’ll keep it yet, just wanted to see what it looks like as the body text.

Drive-by: I like it, especially now that I’m getting older and small text is becoming increasingly difficult to read.

Anyway, back to doing the laundry. *ugh, sigh*

184 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:03:28pm

I increased the size a bit, because the Open Sans font looks a little smaller.

185 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:04:17pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Well, I don’t know if you’re stoned, but yes, I changed the font to Open Sans. Not sure if I’ll keep it yet, just wanted to see what it looks like as the body text.

OK, I just refreshed and see the change. It seems ok.

At least it isn’t Comic Sans….

186 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:07:59pm

One nice thing about Open Sans is that it has real italics, not just the regular font with some skewing applied.

For example check out the f in the word font.

187 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:09:20pm

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

Oh and…this demented wingnut thinks TEH LIBRULZ have taken over Texas textbooks!

[Embedded content]

Texas AP classes go past the second Amendment?

188 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:09:31pm

Next it’s time to work on the Moonbat Font.

189 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:11:01pm

I have beaten the Android SDK into submission and it finally starts up.

I can have cookie now? (At a rate of 6.1 billion cps…)

190 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:11:14pm

My quick review is negative. Something about it is not right.

Then again, I have a kid on The Spectrum, and Apfel faellt nicht weit vom Stamm, if you catch my drift.

191 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:11:50pm

LGF should use wingdings.
/

192 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:12:01pm

re: #189 klys

cps = calculations per second?

193 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:12:25pm

re: #192 Eclectic Cyborg

cps = calculations per second?

Cookies per second.

194 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:12:38pm

re: #192 Eclectic Cyborg

cps = calculations per second?

The thrice-damned cookie game.

195 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:12:46pm

I like the change. Easier on the eyes.

196 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:13:02pm

re: #194 klys

The thrice-damned cookie game.

Aren’t I a monster????

197 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:13:04pm

re: #191 Pavlovian Hive Mind

LGF should use wingdings.
/

i vote for german blackletter or maybe runic…

198 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:13:07pm

re: #192 Eclectic Cyborg

cps = calculations per second?

If that’s ‘Counts Per Second’, get behind some thick shielding QUICK, or you’re fucked!

199 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:13:23pm

re: #196 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Aren’t I a monster????

A fricking cookie monster.

200 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:13:53pm

re: #199 klys

A fricking cookie monster.

Fuzzy and Blue?

201 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:14:31pm

re: #198 GeneJockey

If that’s ‘Counts Per Second’, get behind some thick shielding QUICK, or you’re fucked!

Related in a very tangential way, as I was watching the Mythbusters episode where they did is tattoo ink a problem in MRIs, Kari discovered that bobby pins are magnetic.

I could have told her that. I discovered it when my ponytail tried to inhabit the magnet.

202 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:15:12pm

re: #189 klys

I have beaten the Android SDK into submission and it finally starts up.

I can have cookie now? (At a rate of 6.1 billion cps…)

:)

(Get the Kitten Overseers - they essentially doubled my cps to something like 15.2 billion cps.)

203 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:15:22pm

re: #167 Eclectic Cyborg

Which so happened to occur on the very day Grand Theft Auto V released.

I had left the TV on MSNBC from earlier as background noise. Ed came on and ranted about that very video. So, both side are going nuts about videos.

I don’t play them, but I am old enough to have been the 50s kids that played “army” with the neighborhood kids. I also had a couple thousand of those little plastic toy soldiers along with model tanks, planes and all that stuff. We watched Combat on TV to see Sarge come back from last weeks powder burn or bullet nick to chew more bullets the next. And lets don’t forget “cowboys and indians” (yeah, we were very politically incorrect) shoot em ups.

Today, I am as much of an anti war, sensible gun control advocate as anyone and really have no guns. Haven’t shot one since doing a little target shooting as a kid with a .22 rifle and 8-shot revolver. What happened that I didn’t turn into a rabid guns at all costs advocate?

204 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:16:06pm

re: #202 Feline Fearless Leader

:)

(Get the Kitten Overseers - they essentially doubled my cps to something like 15.2 billion cps.)

That is probably tomorrow morning’s purchase, after it runs overnight. I’ve been working on the +15% ones.

205 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:19:19pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

One nice thing about Open Sans is that it has real italics, not just the regular font with some skewing applied.

For example check out the f in the word font.

Props on understanding typography. The art college I went to drilled all advertising communications on type a lot. I like the new font. Is it one of the newer Google web fonts?

206 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:21:14pm

re: #204 klys

That is probably tomorrow morning’s purchase, after it runs overnight. I’ve been working on the +15% ones.

Pretty much the order I’m doing. 15% ones, kitten, 20% ones, and back to AMCs.

I presume you’ve hit on the golden cookie effect overlap strategy to get large cookie amounts?

207 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:22:56pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

One nice thing about Open Sans is that it has real italics, not just the regular font with some skewing applied.

For example check out the f in the word font.

re: #205 ObserverArt

Could you guys refer to me to a good guide on the best use of fonts? How to hit the look right for the media?

208 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:23:01pm

re: #206 Feline Fearless Leader

Pretty much the order I’m doing. 15% ones, kitten, 20% ones, and back to AMCs.

I presume you’ve hit on the golden cookie effect overlap strategy to get large cookie amounts?

I think I have skipped the upgrade necessary for that this point, although given how often I am tabbed out or on the other computer, that’s probably ok.

I did grab a 20% one this morning which has made a nice bump in things. Will easily be able to grab the kitties in the morning.

209 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:25:12pm

re: #205 ObserverArt

Props on understanding typography. The art college I went to drilled all advertising communications on type a lot. I like the new font. Is it one of the newer Google web fonts?

Been using it for subheadings for a while. It’s one of the best fonts available at Google Webfonts.

I’ve been a type geek for more years than I’ll admit, and it’s nice to finally have some real font options for websites. The downside is that they have to be downloaded to the browser, so you have to be very selective to avoid loading delays.

210 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:26:15pm

re: #208 klys

I think I have skipped the upgrade necessary for that this point, although given how often I am tabbed out or on the other computer, that’s probably ok.

I did grab a 20% one this morning which has made a nice bump in things. Will easily be able to grab the kitties in the morning.

Could be. For working it consistently you have to pay a little too much attention to the game. Essentially it depends on having all the Golden cookie upgrades and a decent sized bank. What you want to do is have “Frenzy” running and then get a “Lucky” Golden cookie to turn up while frenzy is still active. That makes the lucky bonus 10% of bank or 30 minutes of cookies at the frenzy rate - which ever is less. With a good sized bank and cps rate that can be 30-40+ trillion at a shot.

211 jaunte  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:26:23pm

re: #207 Political Atheist

Could you guys refer to me to a good guide on the best use of fonts? How to hit the look right for the media?

I like this one: The Geometry of Type: The Anatomy of 100 Essential Typefaces.
amazon.com

212 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:28:51pm

re: #211 jaunte

Thanks. I had found some favorites for my use in video titles and company ads, but been feeling kinda stuck in a rut. It’s the display fonts that get me. You never get a second chance to make the first impression.

213 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:31:56pm

re: #212 Political Atheist

One thing that’s very important with larger display fonts - kerning. You should never just type out the text and use the standard kerning. In Photoshop or Illustrator you’ll almost always want to go through the display text letter by letter and adjust the distance between each one. This can make a huge difference.

214 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:32:45pm

re: #124 Decatur Deb

Isn’t he dead, or in jail?

He still hasn’t kept his promise.

215 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:33:44pm

An example of really tight, micro-adjusted kerning - the LGF logo at top left. That’s the ITC Kabel font, and I worked a lot on that character spacing to get it just right.

216 jaunte  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:34:22pm

T hanks for K er ning

217 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:42:44pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

Good point. The titler in Adobe Premiere has been really good at that kind of adjustment. Important on those roll titles that go a few screens deep.

218 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:43:28pm

re: #207 Political Atheist

Could you guys refer to me to a good guide on the best use of fonts? How to hit the look right for the media?

Here is general history of typography link.

Also a nice type history video.
Youtube Video

That might be a start. Maybe also research The Bauhaus, a noted German design school did much to advance type in the early 20th century.

Background on The Bauhuas

219 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:44:10pm

For those who are interested - the new Manic Street Preachers album, ‘Rewind The Film,’ is really good. The band pulled an about-face and left the electric guitars at home and recorded an acoustic-based album.

It is excellent. Recommended.

220 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:46:50pm

WTF, you guys have to wait till I’m off doing laundry to talk about graphic design stuff?

re: #213 Charles Johnson

One thing that’s very important with larger display fonts - kerning. You should never just type out the text and use the standard kerning. In Photoshop or Illustrator you’ll almost always want to go through the display text letter by letter and adjust the distance between each one. This can make a huge difference.

THIS.

re: #212 Political Atheist

Thanks. I had found some favorites for my use in video titles and company ads, but been feeling kinda stuck in a rut. It’s the display fonts that get me. You never get a second chance to make the first impression.

What Charles said. You can have a great concept choose the perfect, most professional looking font and, but if it isn’t properly kerned it can look awful.

Remember when Sergey was working on a book about Holocaust denial a couple of years back? He asked for some help with the covers—here’s an animated GIF I sent him regarding one of them showing how the text needed to be moved around and the title kerned.

Gah. Laundry. Later.

221 jaunte  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:47:15pm

re: #218 ObserverArt

Nice tattoos!
Image: 2013-Rhatigan.jpg

222 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:50:26pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

One thing that’s very important with larger display fonts - kerning. You should never just type out the text and use the standard kerning. In Photoshop or Illustrator you’ll almost always want to go through the display text letter by letter and adjust the distance between each one. This can make a huge difference.

That, along with leading (as in the metal lead, used as this strips to put space between lines of type in wooden blocks). And kerning can be generalized in text blocks, but in headlines, you want to kern as you say. The larger the font the more poor spacing can be seen. Most of the time it involves areas around big round letters (O - G- D) and letters that take up space like a W.

Running off to get some work done outside before sunset.

223 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:52:50pm

re: #220 CuriousLurker

What got me looking is two video edit projects at the same time. One for a documentary I’m doing on purple colored gold for jewelry, and the very same week, a 2 1/2 hour long video for a tribute to a man at his memorial. One size does not fit all. Lots of title and footnotes going on in both.

re: #215 Charles Johnson

re: #219 makeitstop

re: #218 ObserverArt

Thanks for chiming in.

224 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:59:13pm
225 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:59:49pm

Like the new style so far. : )

Obama says he wants to test Iran leader’s interest in dialogue

reuters.com

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama said on Tuesday that Iran’s new President Hassan Rouhani appears to want to open a dialogue with the United States and that he is willing to test whether this is the case.

Obama’s comment in an interview with Spanish-language network Telemundo was the latest indication the president would like to jump from the crisis over Syria’s chemical weapons to a new search for a diplomatic deal to ensure Iran does not develop a nuclear weapon.

This would be a real triumph for the President.

226 piratedan  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:01:09pm

re: #224 darthstar

historical context - ummmm… treason? violation of the espionage act for starters. Constitutionality, he broke the law and the law wins…. - noted Constitutional commenter - Bobby Fuller

227 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:04:53pm

Still think you can “get away” with it?

Digital detective hunts for cyber clues at crime scenes

bbc.co.uk

Ah, the digital age…

228 sagehen  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:06:24pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Well, I don’t know if you’re stoned, but yes, I changed the font to Open Sans. Not sure if I’ll keep it yet, just wanted to see what it looks like as the body text.

If we’re playing democracy, I vote to keep it.

229 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:08:37pm
230 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:13:40pm

Is that the Grand Fenwick invasion fleet on the left?

231 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:16:04pm

Shutdown, here we come.

Boehner Moves Closer To Threatening Government Shutdown Over Obamacare

In what would be a dramatic change of course, House Republican leaders are considering a strategy of risking a government shutdown at the end of this month if Obamacare isn’t defunded.

In the weekly conference meeting Wednesday morning, GOP leaders intend to propose a continuing resolution to keep the federal funded beyond Sept. 30 but strip out funding for Obamacare. The move was first reported by the conservative National Review.

Senior Republicans know the strategy is a nonstarter in the Democratic-led Senate, and for months have wanted to avoid a shutdown confrontation over Obamacare. The latest move is a tacit admission from leaders that they have, for the moment at least, been defeated by conservatives who are eager to eliminate the health care law at all costs. When the House bill fails in the Senate, as it is certain to do, House GOP leaders would then try to pass a “clean” continuing resolution that funds the government but leaves Obamacare alone. The prospects of a clean stopgap bill winning over most House Republicans are also remote.

This is absolutely asinine, Mr. Speaker. This nation should not suffer for your failure to control the unruly children that compose your caucus. Either make something happen or resign.

232 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:16:26pm

littlegreenfootballs.com

The Luap Nor blimp will stop them, Q-bomb or not.

233 b.d.  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:16:31pm

re: #23 b_sharp

Have you guys ever thought of electing Justin Bieber as your GOP leader?

Can’t he was born in Canada, just like Ted Cruz.

234 sagehen  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:19:04pm

re: #225 Justanotherhuman

Like the new style so far. : )

Obama says he wants to test Iran leader’s interest in dialogue

reuters.com

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama said on Tuesday that Iran’s new President Hassan Rouhani appears to want to open a dialogue with the United States and that he is willing to test whether this is the case.

Obama’s comment in an interview with Spanish-language network Telemundo was the latest indication the president would like to jump from the crisis over Syria’s chemical weapons to a new search for a diplomatic deal to ensure Iran does not develop a nuclear weapon.

This would be a real triumph for the President.

So Der Spiegel publishes that anonymous intelligence sources have learned that Rouhani will say something, next week, maybe, if he gets a particular reaction to a trial balloon… or then again he might not.

So Obama mentions, offhand, to Latin American TV, a hint of how he might react if Der Spiegel’s anonymous sources were in fact correct about what Rouhani might (or might not) say next week.

Then David Cameron passed a note in study hall asking do you like him, or do you like-like him? Please check one.
[ ] yes
[ ] no
[ ] please ask again on a radio station from a county whose language neither of us speaks

and Vladdy was all, like, omigod just get a room already, but Angela spiked the punch and Binyamin put saran wrap across the seat of the toilet bowl and now the chaperones won’t let us go to prom.

235 piratedan  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:19:41pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

mentioned something over at BJ regarding the same thing, these guys are Party over Country…. every single time. Boehner knows it’s the wrong play. Has privately (supposedly) admitted that it’s so, but if he goes against his fellow R’s, he’ll lose his gig. He knows that this is bad for the country and bad for his party yet….. he’s essentially a coward, a man not up to the job. These guys behave just as bad as those Communists that they profess to despise.

236 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:20:04pm

Hurray for being perma jammed!
e_e

237 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:21:18pm

While Greensnow fiddles, Intertube privacy burns out:

‘Do not track’ effort in trouble

thehill.com

238 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:24:28pm

Since the subject of fonts and design are upon us again, Slate has a piece about the iconic Underground signage.

239 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:27:29pm

How is life?

240 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:28:22pm

re: #235 piratedan

mentioned something over at BJ regarding the same thing, these guys are Party over Country…. every single time. Boehner knows it’s the wrong play. Has privately (supposedly) admitted that it’s so, but if he goes against his fellow R’s, he’ll lose his gig. He knows that this is bad for the country and bad for his party yet….. he’s essentially a coward, a man not up to the job. These guys behave just as bad as those Communists that they profess to despise.

Do I want to know what “BJ” stands for?

241 Kilroy01  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:28:27pm

re: #230 Feline Fearless Leader

INCONCEIVABLE!

242 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:31:15pm

re: #218 ObserverArt

AHGHGH! The Bauhaus!

This word was used with almost Mystical Reverence when I was in college.

243 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:31:53pm

BTW, I like the font. Clean, readable, sans serif. Very readable, in fact.

244 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:32:02pm

What are these companies trying to accomplish with this?

LinkedIn files legal challenge against US government to reveal data requests

thenextweb.com

“The letter to the FBI notes that LinkedIn has had “numerous conversations” about the issue with the agency and has reached an impasse. As a result, the company has turned to legal recourse by petitioning the FISC. Earlier this month, Google, Yahoo and Facebook filed similar motions over the same issue.”

It appears these services wish to report publicly the number of FISC requests it receives (in the form of warrants, I would assume), but I’m not quite sure why they would want to do this. It seems to me that by doing so, they would be interfering with federal investigative procedures.

If I understand it, it also means there might be a warning to certain types that registration might provide clues to their identities (both real and fake), purpose, and motives for registering with LinkedIn, such as connecting with like-minded people who were engaged in criminal or terrorist activities. LinkedIn cites both the Guardian and WAPO articles (obviously the ones published reporting the Snowden info).

245 piratedan  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:33:10pm

re: #240 FemNaziBitch

Balloon Juice - John Cole’s place….

246 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:33:14pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

Shutdown, here we come.

Boehner Moves Closer To Threatening Government Shutdown Over Obamacare

This is absolutely asinine, Mr. Speaker. This nation should not suffer for your failure to control the unruly children that compose your caucus. Either make something happen or resign.

Oh just go ahead and try to fuck the country, Boehner. We know it’s what you and your minions really want to do.

247 Stanley Sea  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:33:22pm

I like the font!!

Good evening!

248 Bubblehead II  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:33:59pm

Lurk off.
I came. I saw.
Lurk on.
Night Lizards

249 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:37:47pm

re: #225 Justanotherhuman

Like the new style so far. : )

Obama says he wants to test Iran leader’s interest in dialogue

reuters.com

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama said on Tuesday that Iran’s new President Hassan Rouhani appears to want to open a dialogue with the United States and that he is willing to test whether this is the case.

Obama’s comment in an interview with Spanish-language network Telemundo was the latest indication the president would like to jump from the crisis over Syria’s chemical weapons to a new search for a diplomatic deal to ensure Iran does not develop a nuclear weapon.

This would be a real triumph for the President.

A lot of mixed messages today. I think part of the problem the press stresses the sensationalist angle of a big breakthrough. Even the supreme leader’s speech today included calls for negotiations but also included the non-negotiable element of enriching their own uranium, their nuclear rights, and Israel giving up their nukes. Standard stuff. this all might be the usual negotiation/stonewalling and I think it’s highly unlikely there’s been a serious change of heart from Iran. This is an interesting article about the possibility that there’s some internal political confusion which could be a sign of hope…
Iran seesawing on social media, nuclear policy may reflect infighting

250 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:47:21pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

A lot of mixed messages today. I think part of the problem the press stresses the sensationalist angle of a big breakthrough. Even the supreme leader’s speech today included calls for negotiations but also included the non-negotiable element of enriching their own uranium, their nuclear rights, and Israel giving up their nukes. Standard stuff. this all might be the usual negotiation/stonewalling and I think it’s highly unlikely there’s been a serious change of heart from Iran. This is an interesting article about the possibility that there’s some internal political confusion which could be a sign of hope…
Iran seesawing on social media, nuclear policy may reflect infighting

I don’t know what people don’t understand about Obama “wanting to test the waters”. What part of “test” don’t people understand?

251 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:49:09pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

Iran seesawing on social media, nuclear policy may reflect infighting

If we’re relying on Iran’s social media communications (tweets, facebook, foursquare, pinterest, etc.) to identify Iran’s nuclear policy, we’re doing it wrong.

252 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:49:22pm

I think I like this font as the body font. I’m gonna try living with it for a while.

253 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:50:18pm
254 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:53:15pm

re: #253 darthstar

Inconceivable! That’ll be their response. Or the FISC was somehow rubber stamping decisions.

255 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:53:30pm

Glenn Beck has decided that Richard Nixon was another evil progressive, just like George Bush

256 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:53:33pm

re: #250 Justanotherhuman

I don’t know what people don’t understand about Obama “wanting to test the waters”. What part of “test” don’t people understand?

It would be a big deal if there was significant progress. But judging from past history I think that’s unlikely. Just like the possibility of big breakthoughs when Kim Yung Un came to power in Korea. Remember that? It lasted about 8 weeks and they went back to playing games again. Sometimes these games, as was the case in Korea, are for internal political reasons.

257 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:56:33pm

re: #256 Killgore Trout

It would be a big deal if there was significant progress. But judging from past history I think that’s unlikely. Just like the possibility of big breakthoughs when Kim Yung Un came to power in Korea. Remember that? It lasted about 8 weeks and they went back to playing games again. Sometimes these games, as was the case in Korea, are for internal political reasons.

Talk is cheap, compared (for instance) to maintaining a naval task force in the E. Med.

258 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:00:28pm

I think it’s also important to understand what lessons oppressive regimes have learned recently. Q’Daffy was the last guy to give up his nuclear ambitions and open up to the West. He accepted all kinds of business deals and investments. Once the uprising started he couldn’t unleash the necessary brutality to crush the rebels without alienating his new business parters. Next thing he knew NATO was softening him up until the rebels got him.
Iran, Syria, n Korea take notice of this sort of thing. Deals with the West deprive them of the necessary tools to run an oppressive regime. Russia and China are safer allies.

259 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:01:27pm

re: #257 Decatur Deb

Talk is cheap, compared (for instance) to maintaining a naval task force in the E. Med.

But shore leave in Cyprus is priceless.

260 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:03:23pm

Don’t get me wrong. I’d never trust a theocracy, like Iran. And I don’t think Pres Obama would, either. But talk is cheap, and we don’t want “cheap” for our security, something I don’t think he would ever put at risk.

261 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:03:27pm

Charles, I was going to mention that since you like type, did album covers play any part in your seeing type and liking it? It sure did for me. I used to always study the art on album covers from my own to my fathers old stuff, my brothers Jazz, another brother early rock’n’roll, old surf music…the type always hit my eye. Some was bad of course, but they was a lot of good design in music.

262 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:04:51pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

But shore leave in Cyprus is priceless.

Birthplace of Venus, and they want to see the devotees.

263 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:05:19pm

re: #255 Kragar

Glenn Beck has decided that Richard Nixon was another evil progressive, just like George Bush

Well, who the hell does he like? If he keeps digging, he’s going to end up hating them all.

264 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:06:19pm

re: #263 ObserverArt

Well, who the hell does he like? If he keeps digging, he’s going to end up hating them all.

Putin and Hitler.

265 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:07:47pm

re: #263 ObserverArt

Well, who the hell does he like? If he keeps digging, he’s going to end up hating them all.

I think we all know who Beck likes.

Image: 41283635.jpg

266 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:08:54pm

‘Manos’ - The Fresh Maker.

267 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:09:06pm

re: #263 ObserverArt

Well, who the hell does he like? If he keeps digging, he’s going to end up hating them all.

Coolidge is a pretty safe object of wingnut devotion.

268 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:10:12pm

Wow, who still uses Internet Explorer? My grandmother?

Microsoft rushes out software fix to prevent browser attacks

uk.reuters.com

269 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:13:39pm

re: #268 Justanotherhuman

Wow, who still uses Internet Explorer? My grandmother?

Microsoft rushes out software fix to prevent browser attacks

uk.reuters.com

Internet Exploder? There’s still millions of people using version 6 to this day, and that originally shipped with XP in ‘01.

270 psddluva4evah  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:13:41pm

The 911 call that led to Jonathan Ferrell’s death

It was about 2:30 a.m. Saturday morning …Sarah McCartney heard a banging at her front door… alone with her 1-year-old son, rushed to the door thinking that something might have happened to her husband. But the man standing there wasn’t her husband, but a young black man…McCartney quickly shut the door and called 911 to report an attempted robbery.

“I need help. There’s a guy breaking into my front door, he’s trying to kick it down,” McCartney is heard pleading through tears on a recording of the 911 call released by WCNC.com, an NBC affiliate in Charlotte, N.C. on Tuesday. She told the dispatcher that her husband works nights and that he has guns at home but that she couldn’t find any…
“Oh my God,” McCartney says over and over. “He’s in the front yard yelling.”

“I need help,” she said, crying.
When McCartney saw the police outside of her home, she’s heard on the 911 tape saying, “Oh, please let them get him.”
They did.

271 psddluva4evah  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:14:19pm

re: #270 psddluva4evah

The cop fired 12 bullets, 10 hit Ferrell.

272 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:24:04pm

re: #271 psddluva4evah

The cop fired 12 bullets, 10 hit Ferrell.

Considering the facts of the case so far, my guess is the defense is gonna have to settle for blaming the victim. You know, he shouldn’t have gotten in the way of all those bullets.

273 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:28:21pm

re: #270 psddluva4evah

The 911 call that led to Jonathan Ferrell’s death

I don’t think robbers knock on the front door…

274 sagehen  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:50:08pm

re: #255 Kragar

Glenn Beck has decided that Richard Nixon was another evil progressive, just like George Bush

EPA
OSHA
Affirmative Action
Title IX

um…

275 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:24:12am

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