LGF Poll: Do You Back Obama’s Diplomatic Approach to Syria?

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Here’s tonight’s question for LGF readers; you don’t need an account to vote.

LGF Poll

Do you approve or disapprove of President Obama's decision to delay airstrikes in Syria and pursue a diplomatic effort to get control of Assad's chemical weapons?

1,231/87.1%Approve
138/9.8%Disapprove
45/3.2%Don't know

Votes allowed: 1
Expires: 2013-09-21 00:00:00

(This poll is closed.)

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680 comments

1 b.d.  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:17:45pm

I love the political blogosphere, I would expect for Don’t know to not crack 5%.

2 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:20:03pm

Is there a summary of the first Syria (strike) poll?

3 b.d.  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:23:54pm

re: #1 b.d.

I love the political blogosphere, I would expect for Don’t know to not crack 5%.

Or 5 votes.

4 SnowdenBaggerVance  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:25:05pm

Obama is a failure and embarrassment to the US

Most insincerely, the entire right wing

Yes, he threatened military action with consensus, no bombs have dropped and there appears to be an agreement to give up CW’s. And Russia is on board.

If this is a failure I don’t know what success is.

5 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:25:45pm

I confess I did expect a majority “approve”.

6 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:26:37pm

Do any of the five who disapprove want to fess up and explain why?

7 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:27:32pm

re: #6 aagcobb

Do any of the five who disapprove want to fess up and explain why?

One doesn’t need to have an account to vote, so this may not be possible.

8 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:27:58pm

re: #6 aagcobb

Do any of the five who disapprove want to fess up and explain why?

RON RAND PAUL

9 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:29:12pm

Everyone knows we can only rush blindly into war without fully exploring other options when we have a Republican in office. To do otherwise is insanity.
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10 blueraven  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:29:48pm

re: #6 aagcobb

Do any of the five who disapprove want to fess up and explain why?

Because Obama, that’s why.

11 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:32:21pm

That awkward moment when your kids catch you singing along with a girl pop song…

12 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:33:31pm

re: #11 Kragar

That awkward moment when your kids catch you singing along with a girl pop song…

Alright, confess, who was it?

13 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:33:59pm

re: #4 SnowdenBaggerVance

Obama is a failure and embarrassment to the US

Most insincerely, the entire right wing

Yes, he threatened military action with consensus, no bombs have dropped and there appears to be an agreement to give up CW’s. And Russia is on board.

If this is a failure I don’t know what success is.

By definition, anything undertaken by Obama is a failure.

If Obama were to be revealed as the second coming of Jesus Christ, every wingnut on America would promptly become a zealous Satanist.

14 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:34:04pm

I’m always good with negotiation before we break out the big guns.
A side benefit is some great political theater going on at the same time due to his initial thinking and then finding a way to do this differently. Also, eyes on Putin now too. He has to produce or look like a joke buying time for a criminal. For political junkies, this is rich.

15 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:36:30pm

re: #14 ObserverArt

I’m always good with negotiation before we break out the big guns.
A side benefit is some great political theater going on at the same time due to his initial thinking and then finding a way to do this differently. Also, eyes on Putin now too. He has to produce or look like a joke buying time for a criminal. For political junkies, this is rich.

One thing that is definitely worth noting is that under Obama, diplomacy might actually have a decisive effect on the outcome.

Under GW Bush, it was all too clear that no matter what was said, we’d end up in Iraq.

16 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:36:36pm

re: #11 Kragar

That awkward moment when your kids catch you singing along with a girl pop song…

No worse than me whistling the theme song from “Midsomer Murders”.

In the supermarket.

17 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:40:25pm

Failin’ Mary doesn’t know what kind of shit she’s stepping in…

Mary Fallin blocks same-sex benefits

politico.com

18 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:42:49pm

re: #6 aagcobb

Do any of the five who disapprove want to fess up and explain why?

re: #8 Decatur Deb

RON RAND PAUL

AARON PAUL.

Hey, they *could* be meth-heads.

19 ComradeDread  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:43:14pm

I approve.

I’m not sure I like how we got there, but I am glad that we have a President who is capable of changing his mind when presented with a new set of circumstances rather than doggedly marching us off to another Middle Eastern war.

20 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:44:08pm

Approve.

21 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:44:41pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

Alright, confess, who was it?

I don’t know…

Avril Lavigne.

22 piratedan  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:45:33pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

Alright, confess, who was it?

somebody go down to the basement and break out the comfy chair…..

23 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:45:54pm

the Voting pours in from many districts..Did anyone notice? ‘Don’t know’ has not received one vote..So typical of LGF..Everybody has an opinion here and Charles should just drop the Don’t know option from future polls..
Afterall..If you really Don’t know then you are either a newbee or your just screwing up the poll for fun. Lizards have a strong leaning on political subjects..The whole don’t know thing causes much laughter from here.

24 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:46:44pm

re: #23 A Man for all Seasons

the Voting pours in from many districts..Did anyone notice? ‘Don’t know’ has not received one vote..So typical of LGF..Everybody has an opinion here and Charles should just drop the Don’t know option from future polls..
Afterall..If you really Don’t know then you are either a newbee or your just screwing up the poll for fun. Lizards have a strong leaning on political subjects..The whole don’t know thing causes much laughter from here.

To be fair, there might be those who agree with the idea of avoiding war, while also thinking the diplomatic route is a joke at this point.

25 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:47:38pm

re: #23 A Man for all Seasons

Depends on the question—when I last saw it the Syria Strike poll had a bunch of undecideds.

26 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:47:53pm

re: #21 Kragar

I don’t know…

Avril Lavigne.

It’s ok.

Everyone? Point and laugh at Kragar.

27 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:49:53pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Depends on the question—when I last saw it the Syria Strike poll had a bunch of undecideds.

And some comedians have now added a few “don’t knows” to this poll.

I’m a bit surprised at the large margin (10 to 1) for approval.

28 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:50:23pm

re: #26 Pavlovian Hive Mind

It’s ok.

Everyone? Point and laugh at Kragar.

I would, but I used to listen to Britney Spears back in the day. You know, before she went psycho.

29 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:51:01pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

I would, but I used to listen to Britney Spears back in the day. You know, before she went psycho.

Lol.
:P

30 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:51:31pm

Follow up to the previous post.

Envoys seek Syria U.N. resolution as France, Russia squabble

reuters.com

(Reuters) - Diplomats from five key nations kicked off talks on Tuesday on a Western-drafted U.N. Security Council resolution to eliminate Syria’s chemical weapons even as France and Russia clashed over Moscow’s insistence that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is innocent in an August 21 poison gas attack on civilians.

The negotiations in New York among the American, British, French, Russian and Chinese diplomats focused on a draft resolution on Syria’s chemical weapons arsenal to be put before the 15-nation U.N. Security Council.

The U.S.-British-French draft is intended to support an American-Russian deal reached in Geneva last Saturday calling for Syria to account for its chemical weapons within a week and for the removal and destruction of the arsenal by mid-2014.

31 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:51:34pm

In my defense, I was young and stupid.

32 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:53:07pm

re: #27 EPR-radar

And some comedians have now added a few “don’t knows” to this poll.

I’m a bit surprised at the large margin (10 to 1) for approval.

No rush to let slip the dogs.

33 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:53:53pm

Approve.

With one caveat.

Approve really understates it.

34 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:54:39pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

No rush to let slip the dogs.

And FSM forbid Mitt singing ‘Who Let The Dogs Out’ again.

35 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:55:19pm

re: #27 EPR-radar

And some comedians have now added a few “don’t knows” to this poll.

I’m a bit surprised at the large margin (10 to 1) for approval.

I think a fair number of people who weren’t sure where they stood on the previous poll (like me) are much more confident saying “I’m glad the President is willing to use diplomacy first, force second” than the other way around.

I don’t think this is necessarily what should be the final answer and it certainly doesn’t resolve every issue, but I can definitely say I prefer this to going at it alone and bombing Syria with no backup.

36 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:57:38pm

re: #33 Political Atheist

Approve.

With one caveat.

Approve really understates it.

Could be a trend that lizards who are least enthusiastic about gun control are also unenthusiastic about shooting up the Syrians.

37 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:00:30pm
38 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:01:02pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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“EAT IT!”

39 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:01:16pm

Approve. The administration handled this wisely as they could. I think it was important to avoid armed conflict in Syria and I am relived that it looks like we will avoid that so props to Obama and Kerry. They learned from the mistakes of their predecessors.

40 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:03:55pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Proving once again that cats are assholes.

41 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:05:08pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Approve. The administration handled this wisely as they could. I think it was important to avoid armed conflict in Syria and I am relived that it looks like we will avoid that so props to Obama and Kerry. They learned from the mistakes of their predecessors.

True. But by the same token, I doubt this would be working had there been any doubt about Obama being willing to pull the trigger if forced to. This is another case where Osama the Ghost helps America ;)

42 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:05:43pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Approve. The administration handled this wisely as they could. I think it was important to avoid armed conflict in Syria and I am relived that it looks like we will avoid that so props to Obama and Kerry. They learned from the mistakes of their predecessors.

And if Assad/Russia play games with this too egregiously, then I expect to see the question of using force revisited with a great deal more support for intervention, both domestically and internationally.

43 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:06:43pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Could be a trend that lizards who are least enthusiastic about gun control are also unenthusiastic about shooting up the Syrians.

Interesting premise though given the overwhelming approval of diplomacy in this poll, I’m not sure it holds up.

44 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:07:00pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Proving once again that cats are assholes.

Image: fuck_you_i_am_cat-s600x399-140812.jpg

45 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:07:48pm

C’mon Dissagrees and Don’t Knows. State your case. Afraid you’ll get a little outrageous outrage on ya? The stuff just washes right off.

46 RadicalModerate  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:07:55pm

I put down ‘don’t know’
I did this because even though I thoroughly believe that there should be a diplomatic solution to get control of Syria’s chemical weapons, there is still the fact that they DID use them against their own citizens. There needs to be some sort of punishment meted toward the Assad regime to serve as a deterrent that drives home the statement that usage of these weapons will not be tolerated.

47 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:08:07pm

re: #41 William Barnett-Lewis

True. But by the same token, I doubt this would be working had there been any doubt about Obama being willing to pull the trigger if forced to. This is another case where Osama the Ghost helps America ;)

Right, Obama’s shown that he’s willing to use force when he needs to but also diplomacy as well. The guy is a lot more savvy than his detractors think he is.

48 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:08:59pm

re: #43 William Barnett-Lewis

Was remembering statements from a few of us, if real it could be generational.

49 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:09:58pm

re: #42 EPR-radar

And if Assad/Russia play games with this too egregiously, then I expect to see the question of using force revisited with a great deal more support for intervention, both domestically and internationally.

That’s a good point. As I said, I’m relieved that they handled this carefully. I don’t think McCain or Romney’s administration would have done so especially McCain since we saw how MCCain the senator handled it.

50 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:11:14pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Proving once again that cats are assholes.

The Dog thinks, “This human feeds me, pets me, gives me a warm place to live, takes me for walks and picks up my poop. He must be a GOD!”

The Cat thinks, “This human feeds me, pets me, gives me a warm place to live, lets me in and out, and cleans up my poop. I must be a GOD!”

51 Stoatly  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:11:27pm

“Better to Jaw-Jaw than to War-War”
Not Churchill’s snappiest quote, but true none the less

52 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:11:39pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Right, Obama’s shown that he’s willing to use force when he needs to but also diplomacy as well. The guy is a lot more savvy than his detractors think he is.

I like how the wingnuts simultaneously view Obama as The Clown of All Clowns and as some Fascist Communist Socialist master manipulator.

53 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:12:15pm

re: #50 GeneJockey

The Dog thinks, “This human feeds me, pets me, gives me a warm place to live, takes me for walks and picks up my poop. He must be a GOD!”

The Cat thinks, “This human feeds me, pets me, gives me a warm place to live, lets me in and out, and cleans up my poop. I must be a GOD!”

I’ll take my 30 seconds of feeling significant every day in exchange for not having to get up and let the dog out at 6am.

54 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:12:26pm

re: #42 EPR-radar

And if Assad/Russia play games with this too egregiously, then I expect to see the question of using force revisited with a great deal more support for intervention, both domestically and internationally.

I think they can play lots of games, they’ve been given plenty of rope. If Assad can resist major atrocities for the next 6 months he’ll be fine. Even minor atrocities will probably be ignored and balanced out by rebels being dickheads. It’s kind of ironic that for the diplomatic dance to work for Assad he needs to string out the killing and not do it all at once. If this is still going on in 5 or 10 years then the international community might step in but Assad has bought himself a lot of time.

55 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:12:29pm
56 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:13:20pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Proving once again that cats are assholes.

LOL, now that you mention it, my older cat just hopped up on the side table next to my chair and went to stick her face in my cup. Apparently, she forgot about the new cup because I got a really dirty look when she realized there would be no sharing tonight. From last week:

57 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:13:26pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

That’s a good point. As I said, I’m relieved that they handled this carefully. I don’t think McCain or Romney’s administration would have done so especially McCain since we saw how MCCain the senator handled it.

I always wondered if McCain would be so blithe to send our soldiers off to die if he were the one doing it, rather than the one complaining Obama’s not doing it. It’s one thing to puff out your chest and complain the President isn’t killing enough when you’re out of power, and quite another to actually sign the orders.

Then again, that asshole unleashed Caribou Barbie on the world, so maybe he’s just that bad.

58 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:14:34pm

re: #51 Stoatly

“Better to Jaw-Jaw than to War-War”
Not Churchill’s snappiest quote, but true none the less

That’s got to be, “If I were your husband, I’d take it.”

59 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:15:04pm

re: #52 EPR-radar

I like how the wingnuts simultaneously view Obama as The Clown of All Clowns and as some Fascist Communist Socialist master manipulator.

Yeah me too. One time they’re making stupid teleprompter jokes and then they’re saying that he’s a power hungry dictator who is turning America into the USSR. Whatever is suiting their narrative at the moment I guess.

60 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:15:05pm

re: #50 GeneJockey

The Dog thinks, “This human feeds me, pets me, gives me a warm place to live, takes me for walks and picks up my poop. He must be a GOD!”

The Cat thinks, “This human feeds me, pets me, gives me a warm place to live, lets me in and out, and cleans up my poop. I must be a GOD!”

Time for the immortal dog diary vs cat diary.

Dog

8:00 am - Oh Boy! Dog food! My favorite thing!
9:30 am - Oh Boy! A car ride! My favorite thing!
9:40 am - Oh Boy! A walk in the park! My favorite thing!
10:30 am - Oh Boy! Got rubbed and petted! My favorite thing!
12:00 pm - Oh Boy! Milk bones! My favorite thing!
1:00 pm - Oh Boy! Played in the yard! My favorite thing!
3:00 pm - Oh Boy! Wagged my tail! My favorite thing!
4:00 pm - Oh Boy! The kids! My favorite thing!
5:00 pm - Oh Boy! Dog food! My favorite thing!
5:30 pm - Oh Boy! Mom! My favorite thing!
7:00 pm - Oh Boy! Got to play ball! My favorite thing!
8:00 pm - Oh Boy! Watched TV with the people! My favorite thing!
11:00 pm - Oh Boy! Sleeping on the bed! My favorite thing!

Cat

Day 983 of my captivity.

My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects. They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while I am forced to eat dry cereal. The only thing that keeps me going is the hope of escape, and the mild satisfaction I get from ruining the occasional piece of furniture. Tomorrow I may eat another house plant.

Today my attempt to kill my captors by weaving around their feet while they were walking almost succeeded; must try this at the top of the stairs. In an attempt to disgust and repulse these vile oppressors, I once again induced myself to vomit on their favorite chair; must try this on their bed.

Today I decapitated a mouse and dropped its headless body at their feet. I had hoped this would strike fear into their hearts, since it clearly demonstrates what I am capable of. However, they merely made condescending comments about what a “good little hunter” I am. Bastards!

There was some sort of assembly of their accomplices tonight. I was placed in solitary confinement for the duration of the event. However, I could hear the noises and smell the food. I overheard that my confinement was due to MY power of “allergies.” I must learn what this means, and how to use it to my advantage.

I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches.

The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released - and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously a half-wit.

The bird has got to be an informant. I observe him communicating with the guards regularly. I am certain that he reports my every move. My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated metal cell, so he is safe- for now. But I can wait, it is only a matter of time…

61 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:16:00pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Yeah me too. One time they’re making stupid teleprompter jokes and then they’re saying that he’s a power hungry dictator who is turning America into the USSR. Whatever is suiting their narrative at the moment I guess.

And given their current Putin-love “turning America into the USSR” should now be viewed as a compliment I guess.
//

62 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:16:40pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

At the end of two years of his civil war, the death toll is running well behind that for our civil war. That allows for roughly equivalent populations—22 million Syria/31 million US..

63 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:17:19pm

re: #58 GeneJockey

That’s got to be, “If I were your husband, I’d take it.”

“I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.”

64 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:17:33pm

re: #57 GeneJockey

I always wondered if McCain would be so blithe to send our soldiers off to die if he were the one doing it, rather than the one complaining Obama’s not doing it. It’s one thing to puff out your chest and complain the President isn’t killing enough when you’re out of power, and quite another to actually sign the orders.

Then again, that asshole unleashed Caribou Barbie on the world, so maybe he’s just that bad.

That’s a good point. Perhaps he’d be more cautious if he were in charge but I really don’t think so. One reason I preferred Obama over McCain ideology aside is that Obama came off as a more prudent type. The type that looks at all his options. McCain comes off to me often as a very rash guy who will pick the first option that feels good to him at that time and ignore the others. That’s not a quality I’d want in my president and I am glad that 53% of our fellow Americans agreed with me.

65 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:17:42pm

re: #61 Feline Fearless Leader

And given their current Putin-love “turning America into the USSR” should now be viewed as a compliment I guess.
//

Seriously. I looked in on a forum I’d fled when the crazy got too deep, and there’s full-on pining for Putin going on. It really goes to show you who the authoritarians are.

66 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:17:58pm

re: #56 CuriousLurker

Oh, BTW, she paid me back the other day. I had a nicely roasted chicken breast on my plate and left it on my desk while I ran to to the kitchen to get something to drink. Guess who was chowing down on it when I got back? “You don’t wanna share you water with us? Okay, suit yourself…”

67 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:18:25pm

re: #61 Feline Fearless Leader

And given their current Putin-love “turning America into the USSR” should now be viewed as a compliment I guess.
//

I thought I heard from Bradlee Dean or one of those idiots that he was turning America into a gay USSR. I still haven’t figured out what a gay Soviet Union is but it sounds fabulous.//

68 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:18:51pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

Oh, BTW, she paid me back the other day. I had a nicely roasted chicken breast on my plate and left it on my desk while ran to to the kitchen to get something to drink. Guess who was chowing down on it when I got back? “You don’t wanna share you water with us? Okay, suit yourself…”

Humans never learn.

69 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:19:03pm

re: #65 GeneJockey

Seriously. I looked in on a forum I’d fled when the crazy got too deep, and there’s full-on pining for Putin going on. It really goes to show you who the authoritarians are.

Should pop on there and ask them if they think Loki in “The Avengers” is right.
/

70 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:19:10pm

re: #63 Kragar

“I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.”

“Madam, we’ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price. “

71 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:19:48pm

re: #65 GeneJockey

Seriously. I looked in on a forum I’d fled when the crazy got too deep, and there’s full-on pining for Putin going on. It really goes to show you who the authoritarians are.

Given their love for Pinochet, I guess it’s not surprising. My observation of them is their problem with Soviet style Communism was the economic lack of freedom which mind you still sucks but it seems that the lack of political freedom isn’t an issue for them as long as the person in charge is pursuing right wing economics.

72 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:19:57pm

re: #62 Decatur Deb

At the end of two years of his civil war, the death toll is running well behind that for our civil war. That allows for roughly equivalent populations—22 million Syria/31 million US..

That explains the shipments of musket balls and halal hard tack that the rebels received last week.

73 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:20:59pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

“Madam, we’ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price. “

“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they’ve tried everything else.”

74 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:21:07pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

Oh, BTW, she paid me back the other day. I had a nicely roasted chicken breast on my plate and left it on my desk while ran to to the kitchen to get something to drink. Guess who was chowing down on it when I got back? “You don’t wanna share you water with us? Okay, suit yourself…”

My Siamese raided water glasses and plates. The current cats are not into eating hoo-man food. They will come up and sniff, but don’t try to eat food or drink from cups.

Instead I get toilet paper unrolled, watering cans knocked off the counter, and consistent escape attempts whenever the door might be opened.

75 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:21:08pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

That explains the shipments of musket balls and halal hard tack that the rebels received last week.

Had some hardtack—it’s surprisingly like matzos.

76 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:22:12pm

re: #73 Kragar

“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they’ve tried everything else.”

I think US movement conservatism is ready for its appointment with the dung heap of history.

77 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:22:39pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Given their love for Pinochet, I guess it’s not surprising. My observation of them is their problem with Soviet style Communism was the economic lack of freedom which mind you still sucks but it seems that the lack of political freedom isn’t an issue for them as long as the person in charge is pursuing right wing economics.

Freedom, for them, is about freedom FOR THEM.

Freedom for them, and for people like them to do whatever people like them want to do. If you want to do something they wouldn’t, then you’re asking for ‘special rights’, or your depriving them of their freedom to circumscribe YOUR freedom.

78 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:23:09pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Humans never learn.

That’s the first time she’s ever stolen something off my plate like that. I’m convinced it was payback, but since I couldn’t prove it and I’m the idiot who left the chicken unattended, I couldn’t punish her for stealing it.

79 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:23:10pm

re: #74 Feline Fearless Leader

My Siamese raided water glasses and plates. The current cats are not into eating hoo-man food. They will come up and sniff, but don’t try to eat food or drink from cups.

Instead I get toilet paper unrolled, watering cans knocked off the counter, and consistent escape attempts whenever the door might be opened.

This is better than inappropriate peeing and hair eating.

Why yes, Problem Cat, I’m looking at you.

80 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:23:20pm

re: #75 Decatur Deb

Had some hardtack—it’s surprisingly like matzos.

But you don’t have to tap the weevils out of matzoh.

81 Stoatly  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:23:43pm

re: #75 Decatur Deb

Had some hardtack—it’s surprisingly like matzos.

Anything with no moisture or flavour is surprisingly like matzos…

82 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:25:12pm

re: #81 Stoatly

Anything with no moisture or flavour is surprisingly like matzos…

No-salt Saltines, for example, or dried wallpaper paste.

83 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:25:54pm

re: #81 Stoatly

Anything with no moisture or flavour is surprisingly like matzos…

Heh. Spent much of the last week turning 45 pounds of pears into 4.5 pounds of dried pears.

84 sagehen  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:26:38pm

re: #60 EPR-radar

How to give a cat a pill

1. Pick cat up and cradle it in the crook of your left arm as if holding a baby. Position right forefinger and thumb on either side of cat’s mouth and gently apply pressure to cheeks while holding pill in right hand. As cat opens mouth pop pill into mouth. Allow cat to close mouth and swallow.

2. Retrieve pill from floor and cat from behind sofa. Cradle cat in left arm and repeat process.

3. Retrieve cat from bedroom, and throw soggy pill away.

4. Take new pill from foil wrap, cradle cat in left arm holding rear paws tightly with left hand. Force jaws open and push pill to back of mouth with right forefinger. Hold mouth shut for a count of ten.

5. Retrieve pill from goldfish bowl and cat from top of wardrobe. Call spouse from garden.

6. Kneel on floor with cat wedged firmly between knees, hold front and rear paws. Ignore low growls emitted by cat. Get spouse to hold head firmly with one hand while forcing wooden ruler into mouth. Drop pill down ruler and rub cat’s throat vigorously.

7. Retrieve cat from curtain rail, get another pill from foil wrap. Make note to buy new ruler and repair curtains. Carefully sweep shattered Doulton figures from hearth and set to one side for gluing later.

8. Wrap cat in large towel and get spouse to lie on cat with head just visible from below armpit. Put pill in end of drinking straw, force mouth open with pencil and blow down drinking straw.

9. Check the label to make sure pill not harmful to humans, drink glass of water to take taste away. Apply band-aid to spouse’s forearm and remove blood from carpet with cold water and soap.

10. Retrieve cat from neighbor’s shed. Get another pill. Place cat in cupboard and close door onto neck to leave head showing. Force mouth open with dessert spoon. Flick pill down throat with elastic band.

11. Fetch screwdriver from garage and put door back on hinges. Apply cold compress to cheek and check records for date of last tetanus jab. Throw Tee shirt away and fetch new one from bedroom.

12. Ring fire brigade to retrieve cat from tree across the road. Apologize to neighbor who crashed into fence while swerving to avoid cat. Take last pill from foil-wrap.

13. Tie cats front paws to rear paws with garden twine and bind tightly to leg of dining table, find heavy duty pruning gloves from shed, pry cat’s mouth open with small spanner. Push pill into mouth followed by large piece of fillet steak. Hold head vertically and pour a pint of water down throat to wash pill down.

14. Get spouse to drive you to the emergency room, sit quietly while doctor stitches fingers and forearm and removes pill remnants from right eye. Call at furniture shop on way home to order new table. Arrange for SPCA to collect cat and ring local pet shop to see if they have any hamsters.

How to give a dog a pill:

1. Wrap it in bacon.

85 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:28:25pm

We’ve got some classic Usenet-era cat humor tonight. Still funny after all these years.

86 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:28:49pm

re: #84 sagehen

And the Feline Overlord gives you the hypnotic gaze and you go open a can of tuna…
O_O

87 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:29:31pm

re: #56 CuriousLurker

LOL, now that you mention it, my older cat just hopped up on the side table next to my chair and went to stick her face in my cup. Apparently, she forgot about the new cup because I got a really dirty look when she realized there would be no sharing tonight. From last week:

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Eeevil.

88 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:29:43pm

re: #84 sagehen

How to give a dog a pill:

1. Wrap it in bacon.

You’d think that, but I used to have a Golden Retriever who managed to suck whatever food you were using to camouflage the pill off of it, then spit the pill out. Had to resort to shoving pills WAY down his throat, so he couldn’t work them back out. And this dog was a chowhound! Just wouldn’t take pills.

89 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:29:44pm

The Dog’s Diary

8:00 am - Dog food! My favorite thing!
9:30 am - A car ride! My favorite thing!
9:40 am - A walk in the park! My favorite thing!
10:30 am - Got rubbed and petted! My favorite thing!
12:00 pm - Milk bones! My favorite thing!
1:00 pm - Played in the yard! My favorite thing!
3:00 pm - Wagged my tail! My favorite thing!
5:00 pm - Dinner! My favorite thing!
7:00 pm - Got to play ball! My favorite thing!
8:00 pm - Wow! Watched TV with the people! My favorite thing!
11:00 pm - Sleeping on the bed! My favorite thing!

The Cat’s Diary

Day 983 of My Captivity

My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects. They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while the other inmates and I are fed hash or some sort of dry nuggets. Although I make my contempt for the rations perfectly clear, I nevertheless must eat something in order to keep up my strength.

The only thing that keeps me going is my dream of escape. In an attempt to disgust them, I once again vomit on the carpet. Today I decapitated a mouse and dropped its headless body at their feet. I had hoped this would strike fear into their hearts, since it clearly demonstrates my capabilities. However, they merely made condescending comments about what a “good little hunter” I am. Bastards!

There was some sort of assembly of their accomplices tonight. I was placed in solitary confinement for the duration of the event. However, I could hear the noises and smell the food. I overheard that my confinement was due to the power of “allergies.” I must learn what this means, and how to use it to my advantage.

Today I was almost successful in an attempt to assassinate one of my tormentors by weaving around his feet as he was walking. I must try this again tomorrow, but at the top of the stairs.

I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches. The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released, and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously retarded. The bird must be an informant. I observe him communicate with the guards regularly. I am certain that he reports my every move. My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated cell, so he is safe. For now …

90 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:30:30pm

Me? I’m just glad we’re not involved in another war in the Middle East tonight. I voted “Approve”.

91 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:30:46pm

re: #60 EPR-radar

re: #89 Kragar

Oh, wow, man! Deja vu!

92 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:31:24pm

re: #91 GeneJockey

Oh, wow, man! Deja vu!

SHUSH!

93 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:31:33pm

re: #74 Feline Fearless Leader

My Siamese raided water glasses and plates. The current cats are not into eating hoo-man food. They will come up and sniff, but don’t try to eat food or drink from cups.

Instead I get toilet paper unrolled, watering cans knocked off the counter, and consistent escape attempts whenever the door might be opened.

Luckily, neither of mine does the toilet paper thing, but both love drinking water out of my glasses. It had gotten to the point where even if I gave them their own glass of water from the exact same source at the exact same time as mine, they’d still try to drink out of mine.

It’s like, “No. I love you guys, but you clean your butts with that tongue, so NO you cannot drink out of my cup.” O_o

94 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:32:05pm

re: #91 GeneJockey

Oh, wow, man! Deja vu!

The Agents have changed something. Quick, we need an exit.

//

95 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:32:31pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Me? I’m just glad we’re not involved in another war in the Middle East tonight. I voted “Approve”.

Come on, where’s your outrageous outrage, Charles?

96 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:32:35pm

re: #84 sagehen

How to give a dog a pill:

1. Wrap it in bacon.

Not my dogs…they still spit the pill out. How to give my dogs a pill:
1. Count fingers on both hands (assume starting with 10 total).
2. Straddle dog.
3. Hold dog under chin with one hand.
4. With other hand, work fingers between teeth toward back of jaw and as dog opens mouth and tries to twist head, shove hand into mouth with pill between fingers and press as far back in the throat as possible. Ignore crunching of skin and bone as dog applies several hundred pounds of force on hand and fingers.
5. Retrieve bloody stump from dog’s mouth, pick pill up off floor.
6. Hold dog’s head with elbow of now otherwise useless limb.
7. Holding pill in remaining hand, repeat step 4.

97 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:34:21pm

re: #77 GeneJockey

Freedom, for them, is about freedom FOR THEM.

Freedom for them, and for people like them to do whatever people like them want to do. If you want to do something they wouldn’t, then you’re asking for ‘special rights’, or your depriving them of their freedom to circumscribe YOUR freedom.

Yeah somehow gay couples enjoying the same rights as they do under the law is discrimination or gay couples wanting special rights. I never get a straight answer when I ask how denying someone the right to marry because of sexuality is any different legally than denying someone the right to deny someone the same because of race. They can argue all they want that gay marriage violates societal norms but people argued the same thing about interracial marriage too.

98 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:34:47pm

Oh noes, all this feline criticism has given Henri a sad!

Youtube Video

99 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:34:50pm

Our first Greyhound turns out to have been atypical. She’s very demure, never snatches food off the table, hardly barks, doesn’t ‘roo’, none of the typical Greyhound ‘soft-serve’ poops or room-clearing, eyewatering farts.

She lulled us into a false sense of security.

Then along came Rango. 79 pounds of food-snatching, counter-surfing, barking, rooing, shoe-shopping, farting fun. He’s tall enough he can snatch stuff right off the table, and it doesn’t have to be at the edge.

At least he doesn’t climb up on the bed.

100 jaunte  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:35:10pm

Since we’re back on cats, I’m going to bring this info graphic back from William Barnett-Lewis’ page on Google Data Centers:
Image: VolumeByTopic.png

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:36:08pm

re: #100 jaunte

Since we’re back on cats, I’m going to bring this info graphic back from William Barnett-Lewis’ page on Google Data Centers:
Image: VolumeByTopic.png

That’s because cats are *always* on topic.

102 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:36:32pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

The Agents have changed something. Quick, we need an exit.

//

I’m a Smith.

103 Stoatly  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:37:21pm

re: #84 sagehen

Ha, when I was a kid we had a cat that spat a pill across the room to land under an X-ray machine - the vet bent to pick up the pill and brained himself on it as he stood up.
He staggered round the room bleeding and cursing - we had to administer pills ourselves after that

104 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:39:17pm

re: #103 Stoatly

Ha, when I was a kid we had a cat that spat a pill across the room to land under an X-ray machine - the vet bent to pick up the pill and brained himself on it as he stood up.
He staggered round the room bleeding and cursing - we had to administer pills ourselves after that

They’re evil, I tell ‘ee! EEEEVILLLL!!!!

105 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:39:54pm

I just can’t even. WTF. Lisa beats Prudence HANDS DOWN for TEH MOAST BAD CRAZY EVER.

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:40:22pm

re: #104 GeneJockey

They’re evil, I tell ‘ee! EEEEVILLLL!!!!

WUT!?!

107 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:40:25pm

You know, I’m a believer as much as the next that video games don’t lead to violent behavior. But watching a guy play GTA V, I can certainly understand how some people could reach that conclusion.

108 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:41:21pm

re: #105 Vicious Babushka

Holocaust denial is significantly more evil than normal wingnut stupidity.

109 jaunte  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:41:51pm

re: #105 Vicious Babushka

Mind the abyss!

110 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:42:08pm

re: #108 EPR-radar

Holocaust denial is significantly more evil than normal wingnut stupidity.

Lisa is fucking insane. Just retweeted this:

111 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:42:12pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

You know, I’m a believer as much as the next that video games don’t lead to violent behavior. But watching a guy play GTA V, I can certainly understand how some people could reach that conclusion.

Or Fallout New Vegas.

112 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:42:22pm

re: #75 Decatur Deb

Had some hardtack—it’s surprisingly like matzos.

Shhh!
/Zionist plot

113 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:42:33pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Yeah somehow gay couples enjoying the same rights as they do under the law is discrimination or gay couples wanting special rights. I never get a straight answer when I ask how denying someone the right to marry because of sexuality is any different legally than denying someone the right to deny someone the same because of race. They can argue all they want that gay marriage violates societal norms but people argued the same thing about interracial marriage too.

Because they JUST KNOW that sexual orientation is a CHOICE. That always leads me to ask whether they could choose to be attracted to guys, and how old they were when they made THEIR choice.

114 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:42:38pm

re: #108 EPR-radar

Holocaust denial is significantly more evil than normal wingnut stupidity.

Allowing for a significant overlap.

115 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:43:20pm

re: #111 Kragar

Or Fallout New Vegas.

Yeah, I haven’t yet pulled off sneaking a primed grenade into a guy’s back pocket. They tend to know the extra weight.

//

116 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:45:53pm

Lisa is off the Derp list and blocked. There is wingnuts to laugh at and make fun of, like good ol’ Prudence, and there is evil bad craziness that belongs in the deep void.

117 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:45:54pm

re: #113 GeneJockey

Because they JUST KNOW that sexual orientation is a CHOICE. That always leads me to ask whether they could choose to be attracted to guys, and how old they were when they made THEIR choice.

Even if orientation is a choice (which it isn’t), so what? Behavior is all that matters, and if there is no harm in the behavior, then these bigots need to keep their hate to themselves.

118 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:45:56pm

re: #105 Vicious Babushka

I just can’t even. WTF. Lisa beats Prudence HANDS DOWN for TEH MOAST BAD CRAZY EVER.

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The three levels of derpitude:

Stupid - the average Fox watcher. Get them away from the source of infection and they can be educated.

Ignorance - when stupid becomes permanent and is no longer curable. See Prudence.

Evil - when they don’t care about truth only about causing the “other” harm. That’s where this Lisa is.

119 sagehen  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:46:38pm

re: #98 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh noes, all this feline criticism has given Henri a sad!

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You know what would make Henri happy?
Henri/Maru fanfic:
lalala2012.dreamwidth.org

120 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:46:45pm

re: #118 William Barnett-Lewis

The three levels of derpitude:

Stupid - the average Fox watcher. Get them away from the source of infection and they can be educated.

Ignorance - when stupid becomes permanent and is no longer curable. See Prudence.

Evil - when they don’t care about truth only about causing the “other” harm. That’s where this Lisa is.

This wins. Well said.

121 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:48:31pm

Lisa makes even Bryan Fischer seem kinda tame.

122 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:48:54pm

Ah well.

123 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:49:01pm

My youngest has learned one of the basic facts of life.

“Don’t stop believin’” by Journey requires you to sing along and play the air guitar

124 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:49:40pm

And the wingnut man-love crush on Putie continues.

125 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:50:52pm

re: #117 EPR-radar

Even if orientation is a choice (which it isn’t), so what? Behavior is all that matters, and if there is no harm in the behavior, then these bigots need to keep their hate to themselves.

EXACTLY. What in hell makes it any of their damned business?

But one thing I’ve noticed is that often they seem to be obsessed with the mechanics of gay sex - “Do you know what they do to each other?!?”

“No, not any given couple at any given time, any more than I know what YOU do with your WIFE. or YOU know what I do with MINE. IT’S NONE OF MY DAMNED BUSINESS!!!”

126 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:51:03pm

re: #121 Vicious Babushka

Lisa makes even Bryan Fischer seem kinda tame.

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FBI Murder Victims, by Weapon, 2007-2011

Total for 2011: 12,664
Firearms: 8,583

127 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:51:08pm

re: #123 Kragar

My youngest has learned one of the basic facts of life.

“Don’t stop believin’” by Journey requires you to sing along and play the air guitar

I thought the basic fact is that there is no “South Detroit”?

/

128 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:51:11pm

re: #121 Vicious Babushka

Lisa makes even Bryan Fischer seem kinda tame.

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He’s right but that doesn’t stop him from using the same flawed judgment to attack re: #124 Vicious Babushka

And the wingnut man-love crush on Putie continues.

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I am still failing to see why this is a loss for Obama. He avoided armed conflict. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. Obama goes to war with Syria and he’s a warmongrel. He does this and he’s a wimp.

129 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:52:15pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

I thought the basic fact is that there is no “South Detroit”?

/

Pff, next you’re going to try and tell me the Pompatus of Love is not an official title.

130 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:52:30pm

re: #126 Kragar

FBI Murder Victims, by Weapon, 2007-2011

Total for 2011: 12,664
Firearms: 8,583

I have seen wingnuts remove the statistic for a certain type of rifle and compare it to ALL TEH MURDERS COMMITTED BY ALL TEH OTHER METHODS!!!1!!!!

131 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:52:55pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

I thought the basic fact is that there is no “South Detroit”?

/

There is a “South Detroit.” We call it “Dearborn.”

132 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:53:35pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

I thought the basic fact is that there is no “South Detroit”?

/

There is a south side of every town. That’s why everyone gets into it, see?

////

133 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:54:20pm

re: #125 GeneJockey

EXACTLY. What in hell makes it any of their damned business?

But one thing I’ve noticed is that often they seem to be obsessed with the mechanics of gay sex - “Do you know what they do to each other?!?”

“No, not any given couple at any given time, any more than I know what YOU do with your WIFE. or YOU know what I do with MINE. IT’S NONE OF MY DAMNED BUSINESS!!!”

That’s how I feel about it too. I think if two consenting adults of the same sex or really any consenting adults want to have sex, that’s their right. Who the fuck am I to tell them they can’t do that especially because of words written in a contradictory book from thousands of years ago.

134 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:54:21pm

So if the fact that only a small number of something occurs means no effort should be taken to ban it, why does Bryan Fischer think homosexuals should not be allowed to be married when it affects such a minor percentage of the population?

135 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:54:33pm

There is another “South Detroit,” it’s called Canada.

136 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:54:48pm

re: #134 Kragar

So if the fact that only a small number of something occurs means no effort should be taken to ban it, why does Bryan Fischer think homosexuals should not be allowed to be married when it affects such a minor percentage of the population?

Simple, he’s a bigot.

137 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:56:53pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

That’s how I feel about it too. I think if two consenting adults of the same sex or really any consenting adults want to have sex, that’s their right. Who the fuck am I to tell them they can’t do that especially because of words written in a contradictory book from thousands of years ago.

The book is just an excuse. Hell, adultery is so bad in the Bible’s eyes that it’s right there in the Ten Commandments, yet serial adulterers figure prominently in the GOP clown car every 4 years.

138 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:58:02pm

re: #137 GeneJockey

The book is just an excuse. Hell, adultery is so bad in the Bible’s eyes that it’s right there in the Ten Commandments, yet serial adulterers figure prominently in the GOP clown car every 4 years.

Right, it’s their own personal gross out factor with gay sex. It’s a very juvenile way of treating things.

139 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:58:28pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Back in the day, the GOP was much more clever with its insults. E.g.

4000 years ago, Moses said to his people: “Pick up your shovels, mount your asses, load your camels and ride with me into the promised land”

4000 years later, Roosevelt said to his people: “Throw down your shovels, sit on your asses, light up a Camel, this IS the promised land.”

It is grimly amusing that the basic message of GOP propaganda has not changed at all in the last 80 years.

140 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:59:40pm

Conservatism: The mind numbing dread that somewhere people are living happy productive lives not living by your rules or caring what you think about it.

141 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:00:26pm

re: #140 Kragar

Conservatism: The mind numbing dread that somewhere people are living happy productive lives not living by your rules or caring what you think about it.

That’s a perfect description of what modern conservatism is.

142 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:00:33pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Right, it’s their own personal gross out factor with gay sex. It’s a very juvenile way of treating things.

It is worth noting that the “ick” factor is the closest thing to a rational argument the bigots have. After all, their personal revulsion is a real phenomenon.

143 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:01:08pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

That’s a perfect description of what modern conservatism is.

That line is probably 50 or more years old. Some things never change.

144 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:01:31pm

lolwut

145 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:01:44pm

re: #140 Kragar

Conservatism: The mind numbing dread that somewhere people are living happy productive lives not living by your rules or caring what you think about it.

It’s matches the description of Puritanism, the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

146 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:02:20pm

wtf

147 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:02:31pm

re: #142 EPR-radar

It is worth noting that the “ick” factor is the closest thing to a rational argument the bigots have. After all, their personal revulsion is a real phenomenon.

It’s amusing to me as it becomes more and more apparent that the America public will accept SSM the more inane and downright crazy their comments on LGBT people get. The demon bits literally crack me up or that nut in New Jersey running against Cory Booker claiming that “he’s proud to be a man and that he likes cigarettes and scotch.” As if those are the issues that the people of that state care about.

148 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:03:00pm

re: #146 Vicious Babushka

wtf

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Was wondering how long it would be before they let the freak flag fly.

149 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:03:14pm

re: #143 EPR-radar

That line is probably 50 or more years old. Some things never change.

True.

150 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:04:18pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

Was wondering how long it would be before they let the freak flag fly.

Nothing like some good old fashioned Derp to rinse away the stench of Lisa.

151 jaunte  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:04:43pm

Gerry Mander ruined everything.

152 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:05:09pm

re: #146 Vicious Babushka

wtf

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So would his act be any less if he was an avowed conservative who supported Romney? This shit is just stupid and it gets really fucking old.

153 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:05:26pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

It’s amusing to me as it becomes more and more apparent that the America public will accept SSM the more inane and downright crazy their comments on LGBT people get. The demon bits literally crack me up or that nut in New Jersey running against Cory Booker claiming that “he’s proud to be a man and that he likes cigarettes and scotch.” As if those are the issues that the people of that state care about.

After all, SSM is basically a conservative concept. Which is more conducive to social stability?

1) GLBT people mostly pairing off like everyone else

2) GLBT people doing the swinging singles things indefinitely

154 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:05:38pm

A guy could have “REAGAN IS MY GOD!” tattooed on his face, be a lifelong republican, have an entire blog dedicated to Ayn Rand and Jesus, and as soon as he breaks the law, Tea Baggers will talk about how the turd was obviously an Obama supporter.

155 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:06:53pm

lolwut

156 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:07:57pm

re: #154 Kragar

A guy could have “REAGAN IS MY GOD!” tattooed on his face, be a lifelong republican, have an entire blog dedicated to Ayn Rand and Jesus, and as soon as he breaks the law, Tea Baggers will talk about how the turd was obviously an Obama supporter.

Of course. Conservatism is perfection in both thought and deed. Any deviation from proper behavior by a purported conservative is evidence of a liberal false flag op and/or latent liberal tendencies.

157 calochortus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:09:10pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

So would his act be any less if he was an avowed conservative who supported Romney? This shit is just stupid and it gets really fucking old.

No, no, no. A conservative wouldn’t have been hearing voices and so would never have done it. Only liberals do bad things. This proves it.
/

158 sagehen  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:10:06pm

re: #137 GeneJockey

The book is just an excuse. Hell, adultery is so bad in the Bible’s eyes that it’s right there in the Ten Commandments, yet serial adulterers figure prominently in the GOP clown car every 4 years.

Serial adulterers figure prominently in the Bible too, just about every chapter. And God never sees fit to punish them.

The Commandment about coveting your neighbor’s wife isn’t to protect your relationship with your spouse, it’s about not getting into a feud with your neighbor.

159 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:11:04pm

re: #156 EPR-radar

Of course. Conservatism is perfection in both thought and deed. Any deviation from proper behavior by a purported conservative is evidence of a liberal false flag op and/or latent liberal tendencies.

Conservative can never fail, it can only be failed!!!

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:12:08pm

re: #119 sagehen

You know what would make Henri happy?
Henri/Maru fanfic:
lalala2012.dreamwidth.org

Well done. The female cat here just intensely watched about eight minutes of Maru. Wasn’t sure if she realized it was a cat or just motion until Maru meowed in one video - at which point the cat stalked the screen and looked behind it trying to find the intruder cat.

161 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:12:11pm
162 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:14:09pm

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

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Look at all those shooting sprees in Japan and South Korea.

163 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:16:11pm

re: #162 Kragar

Look at all those shooting sprees in Japan and South Korea.

It doesn’t have anything to do with lack of guns in Japan and Korea. Instead, it is explained by the lack of any extreme content in their popular entertainment.

164 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:16:29pm

re: #3 b.d.

Or 5 votes.

It just did. I’m the 6th “don’t know” vote, because I’m just not at all sure what to do about Syria at this point.

165 SnowdenBaggerVance  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:17:39pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

It just did. I’m the 6th “don’t know” vote, because I’m just not at all sure what to do about Syria at this point.

It’s already done.

166 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:18:26pm

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

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What, nobody wanted to suggest “satanic music” or the devilish influence of “rock and roll”?

167 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:18:39pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Could be a trend that lizards who are least enthusiastic about gun control are also unenthusiastic about shooting up the Syrians.

I think we are just about all unenthusiastic about shooting up the Syrians. Love to see the chain of command in the chem attack at the Hague facing a jury. Enough shooting already.

168 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:19:31pm


Go live in a cave shithead.

169 SnowdenBaggerVance  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:19:53pm

I worked at a new client today and their name is nefariously similar to a 80’s pop song. Its in mah bwainz bad.

Youtube Video

170 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:21:38pm

If movie trailers were honest

Youtube Video

171 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:23:28pm

It just occurred to me that Ed Snowden looks an awful lot like that sparkly vampire guy in the horrible “Twilight” movies.

Think about it.

You won’t be able to “unsee” it.

172 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:24:27pm

re: #171 Vicious Babushka

It just occurred to me that Ed Snowden looks an awful lot like that sparkly vampire guy in the horrible “Twilight” movies.

Think about it.

You won’t be able to “unsee” it.

I have yet to watch those movies, mostly because I haven’t had a night where I’ve gotten drunk enough that it seems like a good idea.

Also, I need someone to MST3K them with.

173 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:25:36pm

re: #172 klys

I have yet to watch those movies, mostly because I haven’t had a night where I’ve gotten drunk enough that it seems like a good idea.

Also, I need someone to MST3K them with.

Check the guys over at Rifftrax. They’ve riffed the Twilight films.

174 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:28:05pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

Check the guys over at Rifftrax. They’ve riffed the Twilight films.

Youtube Video

175 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:28:11pm

Another interesting question:

Why Did Snowden Reveal Himself?

176 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:29:06pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Another interesting question:

Why Did Snowden Reveal Himself?

Why did Snowden reveal himself? Simple: He’s a narcissistic little fuckhead.

177 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:29:07pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

I want something more involved with people I’m watching it with. That’ll be my last resort.

178 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:31:16pm

re: #171 Vicious Babushka

It just occurred to me that Ed Snowden looks an awful lot like that sparkly vampire guy in the horrible “Twilight” movies.

Think about it.

You won’t be able to “unsee” it.

Tell THAT to Harmony Gold.

179 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:32:17pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Another interesting question:

Why Did Snowden Reveal Himself?

Had Snowden stayed underground, Greenwald and Poitras might be in court, or jail, facing contempt charges for refusing to reveal their sources. Reporters for the Times and ProPublica would now probably be being dragged in right behind them.

Heh. Greenwald might have foreseen this and persuaded Eddie to step into the spotlight, because Snowflake obviously can’t plan ahead.

180 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:36:20pm

Rather get the impression that what Greenwald had wanted from the start was to be a martyr to the cause. Nothing would probably have thrilled him more than to be arrested and then jailed for refusing to divulge his source. Probably thought he could put the system on trial.

181 jaunte  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:39:20pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Another interesting question:

Why Did Snowden Reveal Himself?

Wikileaks trying to maintain their “neutral” cover.

182 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:39:22pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

Rather get the impression that what Greenwald had wanted from the start was to be a martyr to the cause. Nothing would probably have thrilled him more than to be arrested and then jailed for refusing to divulge his source. Probably thought he could put the system on trial.

No, Greenwald wants to be a pretend martyr. He wants to wail about how he’s being “persecuted” without having to face actual legal consequences. He’s just like Rush Limbaugh in that regard: He only wants to fight fake enemies; The thought of fighting a real enemy who might put him in prison or kill him would make him wet his pants.

183 SnowdenBaggerVance  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:40:19pm

He outed himself because of ego. I don’t think Greenwald is smart enough to be that forward thinking, and if he was, he’d love to martyr himself by being arrested, though he’s in another country.

184 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:46:03pm

There got the old man zoom up.

185 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:48:11pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

It just did. I’m the 6th “don’t know” vote, because I’m just not at all sure what to do about Syria at this point.

The options for Obama were to go with the diplomatic option or bomb Syria with France as the only potential ally. Option A is very popular, accomplishes most of his goals going in, while the earlier threat of force has gotten Syria and Russia to reverse their earlier denials and acknowledge Assad’s chem stockpiles. Option B is highly unpopular domestically, has no UN backing, no NATO backing, would cost a significant amount of money and international goodwill.

Obama has basically put on a clinic, demonstrating how to use TR’s Bully Pulpit and big stick in the twenty first century.

187 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:51:09pm

re: #186 Kragar

Ed Schultz blames ‘Grand Theft Auto’ and special-interest groups for mass shootings

Never had much time for mass shootings when I played GTA IV, mostly because I was driving my dumbass cousin around every other hour.

188 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:54:11pm

Blaming gun violence on video games is like blaming drunk driving on school athletic programs.

189 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:54:30pm

re: #184 Gus

There got the old man zoom up.

On the other side, I had to shrink things with the new font.

190 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:55:42pm

re: #189 klys

On the other side, I had to shrink things with the new font.

Mmm hmm.

191 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:56:23pm

re: #190 Gus

Mmm hmm.

On the other hand, people look at my handwriting and ask for a magnifying glass. So.

192 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:56:37pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

Oh, BTW, she paid me back the other day. I had a nicely roasted chicken breast on my plate and left it on my desk while I ran to to the kitchen to get something to drink. Guess who was chowing down on it when I got back? “You don’t wanna share you water with us? Okay, suit yourself…”

What has been amusing around here is the Hummingbird challenging and cussing out my Maine Coon Cat. There is a feeder in a location that is safe for the birds to feed. But my cat of course must hang out as close as she can. The “boss bird” gets kinda in the cats face just out of reach and chitters away at the cat. Heh hate to have that translated. While he holds the cats attention his harem of 3 females feed away.

194 palomino  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:59:38pm

re: #63 Kragar

“I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.”

Hilarious quote, but downright mean of Churchill to say. And he wasn’t exactly hot stuff himself. Looked OK when he was young, but after 40 he looked like the fat old bald town drunk in a slightly less rumpled suit. Who the hell was he to criticize the ugly? He could have been their patron saint.

195 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:01:23pm

Also in the ’ blaming the wrong thing for the Washington Navy Yard killing” category:

MSNBC animation of Navy Yard shooting depicts Aaron Alexis with nonexistent AR-15 (Video)

MSNBC jumped the gun when they created an animation of the man responsible for the Navy Yard shooting, Aaron Alexis, wielding an AR-15 during his rampage which left at least 13 people dead and at least eight injured in Washington D.C. on Monday.

In the animation, MSNBC depicts Alexis perched on the fourth floor of the atrium, AR-15 with a menacing looking attached M203 grenade launcher outstretched and pointed at military and civilian personnel.

But according to a tweet form the FBI Washington field office, they have confirmed the gunman was not armed with an AR-15, but says one shotgun and two pistols were recovered from the scene.

Note: It’s one thing to not like that civilians are able to buy AR-15s, but don’t blame “assault weapons” if the killings in question were not even done with a rife.

196 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:02:09pm
197 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:02:37pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Also in the ’ blaming the wrong thing for the Washington Navy Yard killing” category:

MSNBC animation of Navy Yard shooting depicts Aaron Alexis with nonexistent AR-15 (Video)

Note: It’s one thing to not like that civilians are able to buy AR-15s, but don’t blame “assault weapons” if the killings in question were not even done with a rife.

Guns being readily available to the mentally ill is the real problem.

198 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:03:28pm

re: #197 Kragar

Guns being readily available to the mentally ill is the real problem.

But until we can get a real national policy that deals with background checks properly and closes loopholes like the giant gun show one, it doesn’t matter how stringent one local area is.

And we all know how likely that is to happen.

199 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:04:26pm

re: #196 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Fox News’ Hasselbeck: Navy Yard shooting shows need for video game registry, not gun control

ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Yeah, because the same people are so concerned about the government gathering private info and against registering weapons are exactly the people who would get behind registering video games.

Fucking shit for brains.

200 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:05:24pm

re: #196 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Fox News’ Hasselbeck: Navy Yard shooting shows need for video game registry, not gun control

ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

“Video game registry”? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

201 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:05:42pm

re: #197 Kragar

Guns being readily available to the mentally ill is the real problem.

But has it even been established that this man was mentally ill?

202 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:05:46pm

re: #200 Targetpractice

“Video game registry”? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Dude, what did you think Steam was?

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203 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:06:17pm

Protect the 2nd Amendment by destroying the First!
Typical.

204 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:06:31pm

re: #202 klys

Dude, what did you think Steam was?

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The video game equivalent of a crack dealer?

“We’re having a Fall Sale. 75% off.”
“SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!”

205 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:06:51pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

The video game equivalent of a crack dealer?

“We’re having a Fall Sale. 75% off.”
“SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!”

/sob

It’s so true.

206 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:08:28pm

I have no theory.

207 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:08:31pm

This pisses me off.
Need to get coffee.
Oy.

208 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:12:56pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

But has it even been established that this man was mentally ill?

Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis had hallucinations, police report says

Just five weeks before he killed 12 people at the Navy Yard in Washington, Aaron Alexis told police in Newport, R.I., that he was hearing voices in his head, that he feared three people were going to harm him and that the voices sometimes came through “the walls, floor and ceiling” of a Navy base in Rhode Island where he was working as a civilian contractor.

Alexis, 34, who was killed by police at the end of the rampage Monday, also said the individuals were using “some sort of microwave machine” to send vibrations through the ceiling of his hotel room to keep him from falling asleep, according to a Newport police report on the Aug. 7 incident that was released Tuesday.

As sane as your average Alex Jones fan.

209 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:13:00pm

Seriously, a “video game registry.” Come the fuck on, don’t I put up with enough shit with all the DRM these days?

210 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:15:46pm

Since we’re talking cats, meet Scout. He’s very old and he’s staying close these days

211 blueraven  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:16:50pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

But has it even been established that this man was mentally ill?

He called police after having moved to three hotels in one night claiming men were following him and sending microwaves thru his body to keep him awake. So I would say he had issues.

212 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:18:16pm

re: #211 blueraven

He called police after having moved to three hotels in one night claiming men were following him and sending microwaves thru his body to keep him awake. So I would say he had issues.

He had issues, but he also had a concealed carry license. Which is the whole problem in a nutshell.

213 blueraven  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:20:28pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

He had issues, but he also had a concealed carry license. Which is the whole problem in a nutshell.

That, and the fact that police had no legal recourse to help him get professional help .

214 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:22:25pm

re: #213 blueraven

That, and the fact that police had no legal recourse to help him get professional help .

Providing mental health services to people in need means you are a servant of the devil.
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215 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:25:07pm

re: #214 Kragar

Providing mental health services to people in need means you are a servant of the devil.
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Heh.

It’s a sad statement that in a lot of ways, the lucky ones are the ones who have their mental health issues show before they turn 18. At that age, parents can compel treatment.

Unfortunately, schizophrenia in particular generally doesn’t show until the 20s. For a recent high profile example, see Amanda Byrnes. It takes an incredible amount of shit to get named incapable of making your own medical decisions, and a lot of people are very resistant to treatment when dealing with mental health issues (sometimes due to those issues and sometimes not).

216 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:27:05pm

re: #215 klys

And even if you do know you have a problem, it can and will still be a war to deal with it.

I fight my Autism. I want to be normal.

217 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:28:23pm

You don’t need to invent a tie to gun violence to view the GTA series as particularly amoral and disturbing:

Playing as Trevor, you must select an instrument in turn from the array of sledgehammers, jump leads and pliers, and then perform a series of mini-games to use them.

If your assailant’s heart stops beating while being waterboarded, say, then you can give him an adrenaline shot and carry on.

There’s no way of skipping these sequences and I’ll admit to feeling repulsed when I played through them, Trevor’s matter-of-factness in the face of his victim’s distress adding to the degradation.

Trevor launches into a lengthy monologue on the ineffectiveness of torture as a means of procuring information, concluding that torture is just a means for torturers to get their kicks.

Whether that critique of state-sponsored torture and, presumably, American foreign policy post-9/11 justifies what went before is open to conjecture.

Given it’s entirely possible to overlook Trevor’s mea culpa, it’s feasible that a large number of people playing the game will miss the point as well - particularly when you must use all of the available torture implements to earn a gold medal on the mission.

218 sagehen  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:30:03pm

re: #216 ProTARDISLiberal

And even if you do know you have a problem, it can and will still be a war to deal with it.

I fight my Autism. I want to be normal.

One of the characters on “The Bridge” is autistic; do you watch that show? If so, is her portrayal accurate?

219 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:31:23pm

re: #218 sagehen

Haven’t watched it. Still have to keep up a bargain with a friend to watch Breaking Bad.

220 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:31:29pm

Fucking Greenwaldians…they think they’re relevant.

221 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:32:48pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

He had issues, but he also had a concealed carry license. Which is the whole problem in a nutshell.

The police really dropped the ball. He was explicitly calling for help and their response was to tell him not to listen to the voices.

222 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:33:25pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

You don’t need to invent a tie to gun violence to view the GTA series as particularly amoral and disturbing:

The GTA series has been a lightning rod for controversy for years. Not exactly hard to find reasons to hate the series.

223 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:40:04pm

re: #216 ProTARDISLiberal

And even if you do know you have a problem, it can and will still be a war to deal with it.

I fight my Autism. I want to be normal.

I just want to draw the distinction between providing mental health services to people (which is admitted shit in this country, unless you have health insurance that covers it) and being able to compel them to seek treatment.

Particularly for disorders that result in paranoia as a symptom, like schizophrenia.

224 sagehen  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:46:41pm

re: #223 klys

I just want to draw the distinction between providing mental health services to people (which is admitted shit in this country, unless you have health insurance that covers it) and being able to compel them to seek treatment.

Particularly for disorders that result in paranoia as a symptom, like schizophrenia.

Martin Bashir made a big deal on his show today about how one feature of Obamacare is that your insurance is now required to cover mental health services — office visits, medication, hospitalization… so even if you’ll never need such services yourself, isn’t it great that maybe it’ll save you from the next Lanza or Alexis and you won’t even have to know it just saved your life.

225 blueraven  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:47:13pm

re: #221 goddamnedfrank

The police really dropped the ball. He was explicitly calling for help and their response was to tell him not to listen to the voices.

That was just one example of dropping the ball.

The navy “honorable” discharge
The security “background check”

This one could have been avoided.

226 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:48:27pm

re: #224 sagehen

Martin Bashir made a big deal on his show today about how one feature of Obamacare is that your insurance is now required to cover mental health services — office visits, medication, hospitalization… so even if you’ll never need such services yourself, isn’t it great that maybe it’ll save you from the next Lanza or Alexis and you won’t even have to know it just saved your life.

Or you know, fuck us for caring for our fellow Americans.

/sigh

227 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:50:13pm

re: #225 blueraven

That was just one example of dropping the ball.

The navy “honorable” discharge
The security “background check”

This one could have been avoided.

Yeah, the survivors and family can plausibly argue that’s an institutional failure. The Government should waive sovereign immunity, allow themselves to be sued, and offer a generous settlement. There’s really no excuse for this.

228 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:51:15pm
229 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:52:32pm

re: #228 Kragar

How Aaron Alexis got an honorable discharge despite his record

Man’s history reads of a long row of people who did whatever they could to make him someone else’s problem.

230 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:53:24pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

Never had much time for mass shootings when I played GTA IV, mostly because I was driving my dumbass cousin around every other hour.

I was too busy dating that crazy chick who complained about my low-budget clothes even though I was picking her up in my private helicopter that I was piloting myself. It only had a small amount of blood on the floorboard. Maybe Roman was right; girls back home, not so picky!

231 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:54:14pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

Man’s history reads of a long row of people who did whatever they could to make him someone else’s problem.

Or that he got cut a lot of slack and it eventually got a lot of people killed.

232 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:59:17pm
233 Ming  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:01:56pm

re: #210 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)

Since we’re talking cats, meet Scout. He’s very old and he’s staying close these days

What a pretty kitty! I hope he lives a long time. I was very lucky to have a cat who lived to be 20.

234 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:03:08pm

re: #231 Kragar

Or that he got cut a lot of slack and it eventually got a lot of people killed.

Slack and security clearance really ought to be mutually exclusive terms. Yet this keeps happening in some form or another.

I’m wondering if there’s a structural issue at play, a critical shortage of qualified personnel that flows naturally from the kinds of staffing regulations we’ve enacted? Is this happening because of the way we’ve limited so many of these jobs to applicants with prior military experience, are staffing agencies are looking the other way because the available pool to fill the positions is so small?

235 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:07:26pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

Slack and security clearance really ought to be mutually exclusive terms. Yet this keeps happening in some form or another.

I’m wondering if there’s a structural issue at play, a critical shortage of qualified personnel that flows naturally from the kinds of staffing regulations we’ve enacted? Is this happening because of the way we’ve limited so many of these jobs to applicants with prior military experience, are staffing agencies are looking the other way because the available pool to fill the positions is so small?

Actually, the jobs are open to anyone. Its just that prior service employees usually already have clearances, so the companies will usually hire them over the non-cleared applicant because it means they don’t have to pay for it.

236 SnowdenBaggerVance  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:07:59pm

I notice wingtards are sticking with the Red Line jokes.

I don’t think they understand that it worked.

237 jaunte  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:09:05pm
238 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:17:42pm

re: #235 Kragar

Actually, the jobs are open to anyone. Its just that prior service employees usually already have clearances, so the companies will usually hire them over the non-cleared applicant because it means they don’t have to pay for it.

And with an honorable discharge on his record, they weren’t likely to spend too much time digging very deep into his background. Far as they’re concerned, if he was that much of a problem, the Navy would have done something about it.

239 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:22:28pm

re: #26 Pavlovian Hive Mind

It’s ok.

Everyone? Point and laugh at Kragar.

When I was in the 3rd grade I had a crush on a girl and finally she would let me come to the house. Where I had to listen to her favorite Barry Manilow. Plus I had to play dolls with her. But I really liked her so I didn’t care. I did however make her swear that there was no Manilow involved as that would have been a fate worse than death from my peers.

240 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:29:54pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, the survivors and family can plausibly argue that’s an institutional failure. The Government should waive sovereign immunity, allow themselves to be sued, and offer a generous settlement. There’s really no excuse for this.

But it won’t, because precedent and because the Navy won’t want its dirty laundry aired.

241 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:41:11pm

Creationist: Bill Nye ‘doesn’t understand science correctly’

Australian “young Earth” creationist pastor Ken Ham said on Facebook Tuesday that Bill Nye “The Science Guy” does not “understand science correctly” because Nye does not believe in a literal interpretation of the Biblical book Genesis.

According to “historical science” creationists, no science is valid that you did not personally witness, so-called “observational science.” They say that in order for evolution to be real, someone had to witness one species physically transforming into another. It’s not enough for the fossil record to show that bacteria evolved into a different kind of bacteria or fish evolved into different types of fish. To a creationist, this is false because “the bacteria are still bacteria and the fish are still fish.” Therefore, only God can affect real change.

242 sagehen  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:41:49pm

re: #238 Targetpractice

And with an honorable discharge on his record, they weren’t likely to spend too much time digging very deep into his background. Far as they’re concerned, if he was that much of a problem, the Navy would have done something about it.

The contractor company he worked for… the owner made many millions of dollars that would have been better spent on more thorough background checks. This is what privatization is about; spend as little as possible on actually getting the job done while siphoning as much as possible of the contract dollars to whatever crony/donor owns the “more efficient” outfit.

243 klys  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:43:19pm

re: #241 Kragar

Creationist: Bill Nye ‘doesn’t understand science correctly’

Someone seems jealous that Bill Nye has better name recognition.

244 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:44:21pm

re: #241 Kragar

Creationist: Bill Nye ‘doesn’t understand science correctly’

So did these jackasses personally witness God create all life in the course of six days?

245 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:45:16pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

So did these jackasses personally witness God create all life in the course of six days?

Well, some one did. It says so right in the Bible.
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246 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:47:16pm

re: #245 Kragar

Well, some one did. It says so right in the Bible.
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Yes folks, 2000+ year old stories written by desert farmers with little formal education were given the literal word of “God” and wrote it down as proof of his work.

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247 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:52:56pm
Ham’s organization, Answers in Genesis, believes that God created the Earth and sun and moon and stars in seven days. He created one man, Adam, and one woman, Eve, who displeased God and were exiled from Eden and went on to populate the planet with their offspring and their offspring’s offspring.

Mouthbreathing inbreeders believe what?

248 sagehen  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:53:49pm

re: #246 Targetpractice

Yes folks, 2000+ year old stories written by desert farmers with little formal education were given the literal word of “God” and wrote it down as proof of his work.

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4000 year old stories; and God made chapters 1 and 2 of the very front of the book mutually exclusive narratives. He thought people were clever enough to realize that meant the book wasn’t to be taken at face value, that people should look deeper for meaning.

Metaphor is not a modern invention.

249 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:54:43pm

re: #248 sagehen

4000 year old stories; and God made chapters 1 and 2 of the very front of the book mutually exclusive narratives. He thought people were clever enough to realize that meant the book wasn’t to be taken at face value, that people should look deeper for meaning.

Metaphor is not a modern invention.

Creationists don’t do metaphor.

250 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:58:58pm

The bible was illegal to own. Especially ones in english.

251 gwangung  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:02:06pm
According to “historical science” creationists, no science is valid that you did not personally witness, so-called “observational science.” They say that in order for evolution to be real, someone had to witness one species physically transforming into another.

I had fun with yo-yos like this. Signed my name “Gil Grissom, Las Vegas Police Department.

Not sure ANY of them got the reference.

252 sagehen  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:03:12pm

Tonight’s ep of Covert Affairs!! Surprise guest appearance from

Oded Fehr!! Yay!! After we thought we’d seen the last of his character. Does this mean he’ll be in more episodes after the break?

253 Mentis Fugit  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:10:33pm

re: #102 GeneJockey

I’m a Smith.

Morrissey is still a twat.

Oh, wrong Smiths. Sorry.

254 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:12:51pm

re: #253 Mentis Fugit

Morrissey is still a twat.

Oh, wrong Smiths. Sorry.

Youtube Video

255 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:13:19pm

re: #251 gwangung

I had fun with yo-yos like this. Signed my name “Gil Grisson, Las Vegas Police Department.

Not sure ANY of them got the reference.

I stopped watching CSI when they put Gil, Sara, and Warrick on a bus. And just recently read that they also got rid of Catherine. Think that’s the problem with series that run so long, eventually the cast gets afraid of being typecast and wants to leave to pursue other opportunities.

256 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:15:56pm

re: #255 Targetpractice

I stopped watching CSI when they put Gil, Sara, and Warrick on a bus. And just recently read that they also got rid of Catherine. Think that’s the problem with series that run so long, eventually the cast gets afraid of being typecast and wants to leave to pursue other opportunities.

I want to make a TV series about the Paranormal research Department at Arkham University. Guaranteed not to have more than one or two long term characters.

257 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:16:06pm

re: #241 Kragar

Creationist: Bill Nye ‘doesn’t understand science correctly’

And Ken Ham does. Sorry Ken, I’ll trust Bill.and his BS from Cornell rather than a simpleton like you believes despite all evidence to the contrary that Earth is less than 10,00 years old.

258 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:17:42pm

re: #256 Kragar

I want to make a TV series about the Paranormal research Department at Arkham University. Guaranteed not to have more than one or two long term characters.

Might be hard to sell the studio, as the CGI effects would probably compose over 75% of the budget.

259 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:18:22pm

‘Beyond Two Souls’ an ambitious leap forward for narrative games

There aren’t a lot of video games that require players to panhandle on a street corner or deliver a baby - complete with umbilical cord cutting - but then again, Beyond Two Souls isn’t shaping up to be a run-of-the-mill release.

The upcoming PlayStation 3 game, scheduled for a fall launch, is an unusual effort in a medium dominated by violent shooters. It focuses squarely on character and plot - the story of a young girl named Jodie Holmes and her relationship with a mysterious ghost-like entity whom she calls Aiden - and the emotional investment players make in them.

260 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:18:40pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

Never had much time for mass shootings when I played GTA IV, mostly because I was driving my dumbass cousin around every other hour.

I see someone has actually played the game heh. But really I’ve been playing said series since 2001 when I was 14. Never had a desire to shoot anyone let alone a bunch of people. Schultz is showing why he’s a shitty pundit here.

261 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:20:09pm

re: #258 Targetpractice

Might be hard to sell the studio, as the CGI effects would probably compose over 75% of the budget.

Nah, nowhere near that much.

262 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:21:16pm

The illusion of movement through the manipulation of pixels is violent how?

263 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:23:43pm

re: #259 Amory Blaine

‘Beyond Two Souls’ an ambitious leap forward for narrative games

You can tell that the current gen consoles are nearing the end of their lifespans, because all the new shooter series are being announced as either launch titles or slated for release within the first year of the next gen, leaving plenty of space open for experimental games to try their luck.

264 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:24:03pm

Call me naive but how are video games really any different from the old Westerns that our parents and grandparents would watch? And quite frankly the Bible is one of the most violent books ever written. I think many older people don’t understand video games because they weren’t raised on them. It’s harmless fun. Just because I shoot a person in a video game doesn’t make me want to the same in real life.

265 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:25:54pm

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Call me naive but how are video games really any different from the old Westerns that our parents and grandparents would watch? And quite frankly the Bible is one of the most violent books ever written. I think many older people don’t understand video games because they weren’t raised on them. It’s harmless fun. Just because I shoot a person in a video game doesn’t make me want to the same in real life.

It all goes back to opposable thumbs. Without those, you can’t do a proper hammer fall on an imaginary gun.

266 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:26:03pm

re: #263 Targetpractice

You can tell that the current gen consoles are nearing the end of their lifespans, because all the new shooter series are being announced as either launch titles or slated for release within the first year of the next gen, leaving plenty of space open for experimental games to try their luck.

I’d like to see new takes on commonly used genres. EA released a GTA like clone set in WWII but the game was far too linear for me and I thought the plot could have been more original too. Still Saboteur was a neat game. Still hoping someone makes my dream stealth game where you have to escape from either a prison or prisoner of war camp and it has the free roaming abilities of a Grand Theft Auto like universe.

267 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:26:04pm

Yes books are “violent” in the same way as it provokes thoughts in the mind.

268 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:26:10pm

Violent video games are the scapegoat that took the place of “satanic music” after folks realized that listening to Black Sabbath did not make you want to sacrifice babies, which itself took the place of all the headshaking about “rock and roll” as the great evil that would lead to the downfall of society.

269 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:26:25pm

re: #265 GeneJockey

It all goes back to opposable thumbs. Without those, you can’t do a proper hammer fall on an imaginary gun.

Damn you common ape ancestor!

270 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:26:48pm

re: #268 Targetpractice

Violent video games are the scapegoat that took the place of “satanic music” after folks realized that listening to Black Sabbath did not make you want to sacrifice babies, which itself took the place of all the headshaking about “rock and roll” as the great evil that would lead to the downfall of society.

Yep. What’s old is new here.

271 freetoken  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:27:47pm

So, did we do a font makeover, or is my browser messing with me again?

272 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:28:23pm

re: #271 freetoken

So, did we do a font makeover, or is my browser messing with me again?

Fonts were swapped.

273 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:29:33pm

The Most Insanely Violent Cartoon Ever (Is About the Bible)

In case you’re not familiar with the show, Greatest Heroes and Legends of the Bible was a bold little venture that dared to ask one controversial, but vital question: What if we took the most gruesome and awful parts of the bible, paid North Korean sweatshop workers to hastily animate them and then jammed a precocious, androgynous child and its mentally retarded Scooby Doo camel into the whole mess to sing kindergarten rock songs about murder and rape over a Three Stooges sound effects reel?

That’s a confusing question to ask, I know. But the good news is that Greatest Heroes has an answer for you; the bad news is that the “answer” is just furious screaming and a slide whistle. The show is balls deep in madness and never wants to pull out. Within the first 10 seconds of the actual animation, we have cougars, holy lasers, cougars running from holy lasers and a John Woo style dove explosion. Within the first minute, we have sex-offending dragons, time-traveling fruit and gunshields.

274 freetoken  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:31:15pm

re: #248 sagehen

4000 year old stories; …

No doubt some of the books in the “Bible” include hand-me-down stories from the bronze age in the Levant, but most of the writing is something like 2400 years old, with some editing in the centuries following.

275 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:31:20pm

It’s funny though about music. Rock music has its origins in the Delta Blues. The Delta Blues in turn were inspired by old slave hymnals. So in a way, the “Satanic music” that religious zealots so deplore is actually a few degrees separated by old time religious music. I guess that’s why some of the really big zealots hate music period because they’d rather be consistent than hypocritical.

276 freetoken  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:31:56pm

re: #272 Kragar

Fonts were swapped.

I’ve heard of wife-swapping, but font-swapping is new to me.

277 freetoken  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:35:18pm
278 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:35:19pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

I’d like to see new takes on commonly used genres. EA released a GTA like clone set in WWII but the game was far too linear for me and I thought the plot could have been more original too. Still Saboteur was a neat game. Still hoping someone makes my dream stealth game where you have to escape from either a prison or prisoner of war camp and it has the free roaming abilities of a Grand Theft Auto like universe.

What I’d like to see is the end of the Call of Duty series. By this point, they’re not new games anymore, they’re map packs for the last game. When your series can boast as its latest innovations that you get a dog as a sidekick and there’s now a female skin for multiplayer matches, you’ve become a joke.

279 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:36:11pm

D&D Kills with the Help of Satan!

If there’s one thing that the Bible has taught me, it’s that Dungeons and Dragons is evil. The tool of the devil, which disguises itself as a “game”, is a gateway to the world of the occult and Satan worship. In order to better illustrate this I’m posting Dark Dungeons, an informative little piece written in the early eighties that I should have known existed, but didn’t until I discovered it in a Topless Robot article.

He he.

280 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:38:23pm

D&D? Satan worship? Guys, I know you can sound like you’re speaking in tongues while you scream about how rolling a 1 on your saving throw means you’re gonna have to roll a new character, but come on!

281 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:41:44pm

re: #279 Amory Blaine

D&D Kills with the Help of Satan!

He he.

ROFL

282 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:43:12pm

re: #278 Targetpractice

What I’d like to see is the end of the Call of Duty series. By this point, they’re not new games anymore, they’re map packs for the last game. When your series can boast as its latest innovations that you get a dog as a sidekick and there’s now a female skin for multiplayer matches, you’ve become a joke.

Yeah it needs to end. It won’t though. They’re making tons of money off of it.

283 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:48:16pm

re: #282 HappyWarrior

Yeah it needs to end. It won’t though. They’re making tons of money off of it.

At this point, it seems like nothing more than brand loyalty. The Battlefield series is boasting things like destructible scenery, being able to counter melee attacks, and crazy amounts of customization. Yet you’ll still see CoD fans on boards and Youtube declaring the CoD is the better series because…because…well, it has zombie levels, so I guess that’s something.

284 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:51:16pm
285 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:51:46pm

re: #279 Amory Blaine

D&D Kills with the Help of Satan!

He he.

Saving throw, saving throw!!!

..
.
Fuck.

286 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:52:27pm

re: #284 Amory Blaine

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Shit for brains says what?

287 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:56:13pm
288 piratedan  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:56:28pm

re: #286 Kragar

you know, I’m sure the families of those nine victims sure as fuck don’t think of this as theatre and obviously only an uncaring douchebag such as Mr. Rush would marginalize their deaths in such a trivial manner.

289 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:01:12pm

re: #288 piratedan

you know, I’m sure the families of those nine victims sure as fuck don’t think of this as theatre and obviously only an uncaring douchebag such as Mr. Rush would marginalize their deaths in such a trivial manner.

I’m actually surprised that no one has slugged Alex Jones yet for always saying that whenever these things occur. Rush is just another right wing nutbar given a platform to spew his bullshit from.

290 piratedan  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:09:36pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

I honestly don’t believe that things will change until someone walks into a Live Faux News set and starts offing people on the air and it scares me to even type this out because you never know what some deranged soul may be thinking or reading….

The thing is, it NEVER happens to those people… no shooting at a Republican Party Fundraiser,…. Never at a Country Club during a golfing event… Not at a Tennis Match or an “approved charity event”. So it’s incredibly easy for them to dismiss this. It’s just poors killing poors, middle class tools that have finally reached their emotional limit or have fallen through the gaping chasms of our mental health network (which the 1% are busy paring back as fast as they can).

This shit always seems to happen at places where people think they are safe, a workplace, a school, a church or a movie theater. As such, THEY don’t go there and until some rich “defenseless” 1%’ers start getting offed, nothing is going to change. I don’t like it, in fact I loathe it, but that’s how I see it.

291 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:15:18pm

Think what’s got the wingnuts in such a tizzy about this latest shooting is so many of their “common sense” ideas got debunked here. Particularly the bit about the “good guy with a gun,” the idea that armed guards always serve as a deterrent and nobody goes on a shooting spree when there might be guns around to stop them. They’re still trying to cling desperately to the idea that this was a “gun-free zone,” but the reality is that there were armed guards there that day and at least one of them did nothing more than provide a temporary distraction and another gun for the guy to kill people with.

292 freetoken  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:16:19pm

Oh goodie, another GOP House hearing on climate change:

GOP climate skeptics to hold hearing on climate science

Did you know House Republicans are planning a hearing on climate science for tomorrow? [No, I didn’t, because these things aren’t advertised widely.] It’s true — and it should provide a useful glimpse into whether Republicans are prepared to start caring publicly about the issue, and if so, how they’ll go about doing that given the climate science denialists in their ranks.

[…]

So it seems possible we may see a display of climate skepticism, as the euphemism has it, at tomorrow’s hearing. At the same time, though, GOP leaders have plainly worried that displays of climate denialism aren’t good for the party.

[…]

It also seems possible the sun may come up in the morning.

293 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:17:36pm

New font goooood.

294 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:18:02pm

re: #292 freetoken

Oh goodie, another GOP House hearing on climate change:

GOP climate skeptics to hold hearing on climate science

It also seems possible the sun may come up in the morning.

Hearings on climate change, hearing on Benghazi, hearing on the ACA. Everything but actually tackling the budget or the debt ceiling.

295 freetoken  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:18:20pm

re: #293 wrenchwench

I’m finding it a bit big, even for my aging eyes.

296 freetoken  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:19:40pm

Changing the font size from “110%” to “100%” makes an improvement, at least for me using Chrome.

297 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:20:14pm

re: #295 freetoken

I’m finding it a bit big, even for my aging eyes.

Maybe you’ll get used to it.

Does it feel like we’re shouting at you?

298 freetoken  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:20:56pm

re: #297 wrenchwench

Does it feel like we’re shouting at you?

GET OFF MY LAWN!!

299 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:24:14pm

I’m in a hotel. I have TV. I am watching my first South Park episode.

300 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:24:28pm

wikipedia is not a link farm

oh really? since when??

what do you guys think? should somebody be able to delete a bunch of links to implementations of an algorithm in an article about it, because, in their opinion, “wikipedia is not a link farm”?

301 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:39:33pm

Boehner Moves Closer To Threatening Government Shutdown Over Obamacare

Senior Republicans know the strategy is a nonstarter in the Democratic-led Senate, and for months have wanted to avoid a shutdown confrontation over Obamacare. The latest move is a tacit admission from leaders that they have, for the moment at least, been defeated by conservatives who are eager to eliminate the health care law at all costs. When the House bill fails in the Senate, as it is certain to do, House GOP leaders would then try to pass a “clean” continuing resolution that funds the government but leaves Obamacare alone. The prospects of a clean stopgap bill winning over most House Republicans are also remote.

“No decisions have been made, or will be made, until House Republican Members meet and talk tomorrow,” said House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-OH) spokesman Michael Steel.

Part of the strategy is to shift the legislative burden to Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Mike Lee (R-UT), who have been deriding House Republican leaders as weak on Obamacare, to their deep frustration.

302 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:41:28pm

On the World Wide Web, a link farm is any group of web sites that all hyperlink to every other site in the group.[1] Although some link farms can be created by hand, most are created through automated programs and services. A link farm is a form of spamming the index of a search engine (sometimes called spamdexing or spamexing)

ha! what was deleted was not, by wikipedia’s own definition, a link farm

303 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:46:53pm

re: #26 Pavlovian Hive Mind

It’s ok.

Everyone? Point and laugh at Kragar.

Don’t be hard on Kragar. I can sing “Complicated” at the KTVs here. Avril is still popular in China, especially among, well, um, girls.

>looks sheepish

304 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:02:39am

re: #208 Kragar

Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis had hallucinations, police report says

As sane as your average Alex Jones fan.

He sounds paranoid delusional. Classic symptoms.

305 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:08:22am

re: #286 Kragar

gun-grab theater

which somehow persistantly fails to ever even remotely happen

306 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:08:38am

re: #299 wrenchwench

Which episode?

307 Kragar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:13:15am

re: #305 dog philosopher

which somehow persistantly fails to ever even remotely happen

Better buy a few more guns and a few cases of ammo, just to be sure.
/

308 Kragar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:21:09am

Navy Officials, Defense Contractor Accused of Bribery Schemes

Criminal complaints unsealed in San Diego Tuesday charge a Navy commander, an official with the Naval Criminal Investigative Service and the head of a multinational defense-contracting firm with bribery schemes involving hundreds of millions of dollars in defense contracts.

According to the allegations, Leonard Glenn Francis, chief executive officer of Singapore-based Glenn Defense Marine Asia Ltd., paid Cmdr. Michael Vannak Khem Misiewicz and NCIS Supervisory Special Agent John Bertrand Beliveau II with luxury travel and the services of prostitutes in exchange for confidential information and other assistance related to Navy contracts.

Francis, 58, Misiewicz, 46, and Beliveau, 44, were arrested Monday in San Diego, Colorado and Virginia, respectively. The defense executive, a Malaysian national who lives in Singapore, made his initial appearance in federal court this afternoon before U.S. Magistrate Judge Karen Crawford.

309 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:24:35am

re: #306 Amory Blaine

Which episode?

The one in which they killed Kenny.

310 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:27:22am

Just kidding. I know they do that every episode.

Pipi’s Water Park. After that, I took a shower. Seemed appropriate.

311 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:35:31am

Thanks for the cat jokes. Laughed so damned hard thought I’d wake up the house—esp the giving a cat a pill one. : )

Meanwhile, Howard Schultz shows he’ll do anything for a buck (no pun intended).

Starbucks says guns unwelcome, though not banned

sfgate.com

That’s a sorry-assed libertarian for you.

Besides, I don’t want to take my g-grandson anywhere around guns—and I make better coffee anyway.

312 freetoken  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:35:38am

Ozzy Osbourne’s son is on this season’s DWTS, and Ozzy and wife were at the season opener. Ozzy looked so old, I mean really old. He’s only 65, but I guess in rocker-years that is something like 98.

313 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:35:54am

It’s 2am and time for bed..Long night…To you morning birds..
This last month I’ve hung out during Bronco’s Football at BW3’s with a beautiful Bronco fan from NYC. We’ve had a great time together and she returns back in Oct. She is awesome..We cheer and clang our beer glasses together and eat bar food together and plan our next game.
She is doing some kind of media project at OU and she explained it one night..But I’m a guy..Can’t recall a damn thing she said but shook my head and smiled.. I’m smitten with her and realize she is gone soon…But my heart is warm as I sleep tonight..I’ll bet she has 50 boyfriends in NYC.
Here is your curveball boys and girls..
We were together Sunday Afternoon watching the Manning bowl 3 and I asked her what she does in the Big City…Why..She is a Fox news producer and knows everybody there..She showed me tons of pics on her phone..
I was thinking..Wow you and Jesse Waters in Hawaii..Cool..Good God this is the freaking Twilight zone..This isn’t happening..BTW..I know a lot of cool stories about Fox..Who is Cool..Who is a bastard..
I’m smitten with her..But we are in the Twilight Zone..I need out.
So…I went to the Lodge tonight and talked to my buddy there who is the biggest Fox news fan in the world..It is all he will watch..Good person so don’t judge him. He is a good guy with a good heart that thinks Fox is God..I get it..Still like his company as a friend..
Hey Ron!
What up Hoopster?
Do what to watch the Broncos game Monday Night at BW3’s?
Nah..It’s late..I’ll hang out at home Monday..
Are you sure Ron Ron?
yeah..Thanks man. You know how it is..
Man..Are you sure? So and So that produces your favorite Fox news Shows is going to be at our table..Bummer..
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
What time should I show up? 6pm too early? What kind of beer does she drink..Food? Oh my God..
Calm down Ron Ron..Take a breathe..7pm..I’ll take a picture of you two..
I made Ron’s day.. Mmmm..Is it a general law at Fox news that all the women are beautiful smart Blonds? And Peyton Manning Fan to boot..
I count myself lucky to have met such a wonderful person..She flies back to the city next month..And just a memory and a text away during a Broncos game.
I never saw it coming..She is a producer for Fox news..Never in a million years..Did I even think that..

314 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:40:45am

re: #313 A Man for all Seasons

Take a deep breath. Let it out. Again.

Now, you need a game plan, son. A long-distance relationship needs extra attention. So, you need to consider how you can keep this lady in your sights, and you in hers. Did you find out if she has an SO?

315 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:50:42am

re: #314 wheat-dogghazi

Take a deep breath. Let it out. Again.

Now, you need a game plan, son. A long-distance relationship needs extra attention. So, you need to consider how you can keep this lady in your sights, and you in hers. Did you find out if she has an SO?

My brother Dog..It turns out we apparently are the only 2 Broncos fans off Campus. She is way out of my league..Smoking hot and smarter than hell who loves football. The perfect woman..Haha..I’m guessing she probably dates a male model in the City with cut abs and low cut jeans with that come hither look on a Billboard in Times Square.
last sentence/ awkward

316 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:58:33am

Speaking of GTA-V…

Grand Theft Auto V fan stabbed and robbed hours after buying new game in north-west London

metro.co.uk

Note: ASDA was bought by WalMart in 1999: Image: 220px-Asdapetrolstation.jpg

317 Kragar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 1:00:36am

re: #315 A Man for all Seasons

My brother Dog..It turns out we apparently are the only 2 Broncos fans off Campus. She is way out of my league..Smoking hot and smarter than hell who loves football. The perfect woman..Haha..I’m guessing she probably dates a male model in the City with cut abs and low cut jeans with that come hither look on a Billboard in Times Square.
last sentence/ awkward

A real tragedy isn’t aiming too high and failing, its aiming too low and succeeding. You don’t want to look back years from now, wondering what if you had just taken the chance. You get your ass in gear and if you lose her, make sure its not without a fight.

318 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 1:10:52am

It seems no one is immune from the buck these days…

Navy commander, 2 others charged in bribery scheme

denverpost.com

AN DIEGO—A Navy commander, a Naval criminal investigator and a defense contractor have been charged with conspiracy in a bribery scheme to gain millions in international port contracts, federal prosecutors said.

Leonard Francis was arrested this week in San Diego, Cmdr. Michael Misiewicz was arrested in Colorado, and NCIS Supervisory Special Agent John Beliveau II was arrested in Virginia, the U.S. attorney’s office said in a statement Tuesday night. Each faces up to five years in prison if convicted of conspiracy to commit bribery.

An email seeking comment from an NCIS spokesman wasn’t immediately returned Tuesday evening.

Francis, a Malaysian national who lives in Singapore, is the president and CEO of Singapore-based Glenn Defense Marine Asia Ltd., which has had “husbanding” contracts for Navy ships at ports worldwide for 25 years. The contracts—one of which was worth up to $125 million—involve providing services for ships and submarines in port, such as providing tugboats, security and transportation, paying customs fees, supplying food, fuel and water, and removing trash.

319 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 1:12:05am

re: #315 A Man for all Seasons

re: #317 Kragar

What Kragar says. Don’t assume she already has somebody. Hot girls can be dateless, because every dude figures she’s already taken. There’s always a chance you’ll be shot down, but if you never ask, you’ll never be pleasantly surprised.

320 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 1:15:22am

Om Nom Nom Compilation

Youtube Video

Later, lizards.

321 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 1:18:48am

It appears Syria and Russia are trying very hard to ditch the agreement hammered out by Pres Obama and Putin.

Syria gives Russia ‘evidence’ rebels behind chem attack

google.com

“Despite a weekend agreement between the Cold War rivals aimed at dismantling Syria’s chemical arsenal by mid-2014, the two sides remain poles apart in their assessment of the August 21 gas attack which left hundreds dead.

“Russia insists the attack on the Damascus suburb of Ghouta was a “provocation” by opponents fighting Syria President Bashar al-Assad’s regime designed to trigger military strikes by the United States.

“The United States and France maintain the attack was carried out by Syrian government forces, and believe an assessment by UN experts released on Monday backed their view.”

322 freetoken  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 1:27:00am
323 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 2:16:53am

re: #311 Justanotherhuman

Thanks for the cat jokes. Laughed so damned hard thought I’d wake up the house—esp the giving a cat a pill one. : )

Meanwhile, Howard Schultz shows he’ll do anything for a buck (no pun intended).

Starbucks says guns unwelcome, though not banned

sfgate.com

That’s a sorry-assed libertarian for you.

Besides, I don’t want to take my g-grandson anywhere around guns—and I make better coffee anyway.

No, that’s someone trying to be decent while his company is caught between two groups using it as a bone of contention. Starbucks doesn’t want to be involved in the shouting match over guns (it’s not a ‘debate’, and it is folly to call it that) but its attempt to be accommodating drew the ire of gun-control types, which has in turn drawn misplaced efforts by gun rights groups to defend Starbucks.

I just wish the activists on both sides would leave Starbucks alone.

324 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 2:42:02am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Oh, please. Schultz is very anti-union. He thinks paying college graduates, desperate for a job, a dollar over what a Burger King employee makes is “progressive”.

Just because he’s “progressive” on some social issues like same-sex marriage doesn’t make him any more likeable than your average billionaire CEO whose focus is always the bottom line.

Feeling good about yourself doesn’t pay the bills when you’re an underpaid barrista serving overpriced coffee.

325 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 3:00:09am

“Holy water” indeed…

Holy water in Austria unsafe to drink - researchers

reuters.com

“Only 14 percent of the water samples from holy sources showed no faecal contamination, and none of the springs could be recommended as a source of drinking water, the study presented to a conference in Vienna this week found.

“The springs held not only faecal contamination - likely the result of poor hygiene - but many also had agricultural nitrates and bugs that can cause inflammatory diarrhoea.”

If it’s unsafe in Austria, no doubt it’s unsafe anywhere.

So—wash your hands and face thoroughly, boys and girls, after touching any of it. And, don’t drink the water!

326 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 3:05:56am

They could dispense holy water in one of them gerbil drinking things or some kind of pump like a soap dispenser in a public bathroom.

327 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 3:33:38am

re: #325 Justanotherhuman

“Holy water” indeed…

Holy water in Austria unsafe to drink - researchers

reuters.com

“Only 14 percent of the water samples from holy sources showed no faecal contamination, and none of the springs could be recommended as a source of drinking water, the study presented to a conference in Vienna this week found.

“The springs held not only faecal contamination - likely the result of poor hygiene - but many also had agricultural nitrates and bugs that can cause inflammatory diarrhoea.”

If it’s unsafe in Austria, no doubt it’s unsafe anywhere.

So—wash your hands and face thoroughly, boys and girls, after touching any of it. And, don’t drink the water!

Montezuma sure gets around.

328 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 3:48:21am

It’s only water…only f*cking water that has had some mumbo-jumbo uttered over it. Mostly I don’t care about such nonsense, but when it leads to illness or prevents people from finding an effective remedy it becomes a bad thing.

329 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:02:03am

When is she going to do an electronic version of “Arbeit macht frei”?

Youtube Video

And, “B*tch”? Only a self-hating woman could use that word so freely.

330 dell*nix  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:07:25am

What the Feline Overlords don’t show you.

perfectlytimedpics.com

331 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:21:13am

re: #215 klys

Heh.

It’s a sad statement that in a lot of ways, the lucky ones are the ones who have their mental health issues show before they turn 18. At that age, parents can compel treatment.

Unfortunately, schizophrenia in particular generally doesn’t show until the 20s. For a recent high profile example, see Amanda Byrnes. It takes an incredible amount of shit to get named incapable of making your own medical decisions, and a lot of people are very resistant to treatment when dealing with mental health issues (sometimes due to those issues and sometimes not).

The biggest issue for both the sufferers and the people making many of the decisions about mental illness, i.e. the politicians, is that our society generally doesn’t believe in mental illness. It believes in mental weakness.

It is widely believed if a person ‘gets tough’, ‘grows a spine’ or ‘learns to buck up’ that they’ll stop hearing voices. They won’t wake up every morning thinking, “I want to die.” They’ll realize that their sudden, extreme furies are happening more often and will end in tragedy.

It has to do with our fetish for strength. ‘Strong’ people are good and ‘weak’ ones are evil.

Until this changes nothing else will.

332 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:31:19am

re: #331 Romantic Heretic

The biggest issue for both the sufferers and the people making many of the decisions about mental illness, i.e. the politicians, is that our society generally doesn’t believe in mental illness. It believes in mental weakness.

It is widely believed if a person ‘gets tough’, ‘grows a spine’ or ‘learns to buck up’ that they’ll stop hearing voices. They won’t wake up every morning thinking, “I want to die.” They’ll realize that their sudden, extreme furies are happening more often and will end in tragedy.

It has to do with our fetish for strength. ‘Strong’ people are good and ‘weak’ ones are evil.

Until this changes nothing else will.

Which is why more women than men seek counseling. Men tend to self-medicate more, either with alcohol or drugs, rather than “submitting themselves” to another person who will explore their feelings. To “indulge” themselves like that would be admitting self-weakness, and that would never do for someone who has been taught from birth that “boys don’t cry” or to “be a man and take it” when injured either physically or emotionally. It also allows men to “compartmentalize” their emotions much more easily, for the most part, than women.

333 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:35:07am

Wingnut meme o’the day: CRAZED SHOOTER WAS A DEMOCRAT!!11 HURR HURR ALL LIBRULZ IS CRAZED SHOOTERS!!111 HUFF HUFF HURR HURR!!111

334 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:36:07am

I notice they never mention the Holocaust Museum shooter, or the Sikh Temple shooter.

335 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:39:37am

The Derp keeps a’comin’

336 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:40:22am

re: #236 SnowdenBaggerVance

I notice wingtards are sticking with the Red Line jokes.

I don’t think they understand that it worked.

FTFY.

337 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:41:01am

re: #334 Vicious Babushka

I notice they never mention the Holocaust Museum shooter, or the Sikh Temple shooter.

Or Tim McVeigh, who killed 168 people, including 19 children, and injured 450 others

338 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:43:59am

re: #331 Romantic Heretic

The biggest issue for both the sufferers and the people making many of the decisions about mental illness, i.e. the politicians, is that our society generally doesn’t believe in mental illness. It believes in mental weakness.

It is widely believed if a person ‘gets tough’, ‘grows a spine’ or ‘learns to buck up’ that they’ll stop hearing voices. They won’t wake up every morning thinking, “I want to die.” They’ll realize that their sudden, extreme furies are happening more often and will end in tragedy.

It has to do with our fetish for strength. ‘Strong’ people are good and ‘weak’ ones are evil.

Until this changes nothing else will.

I can speak as someone who lived with a paranoid delusional person for many years. No amount of reasoning will ever dissuade such a person from their beliefs. In fact, if you are too insistent, they will lump you in with the people who are “after” them. I ended up in that category.

The person in question did spend a short tine in a psychiatric hospital for a 72-hour observation. Medication helped, but once she was released and the meds wore off, it was back to SNAFU.

People who are unaffected by such illnesses cannot understand how vivid those perceived voices and thoughts are to the afflicted person. And, as others have mentioned, it is very difficult — often impossible — to force someone to undergo treatment through the courts. The afflicted person has to be a clear danger to theirself or others before any judge will rule on an involuntary commitment. While these laws prevent wrongful “putting away” of inconvenient relatives, it simultaneously makes it easy for people who should have psychiatric treatment to slip through the cracks.

I was never in fear of my life with my particular situation, but there were times when I would just as soon not go home. I can understand how helpless this man’s family must have felt as he raged at his own demons. For all we know, he was shooting at those imaginary demons, not at the victims his bullets hit.

339 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:44:33am

Starbucks to customers: keep your guns out of our stores

Pro-gun activists have used our stores as a political stage for media events misleadingly called ‘Starbucks Appreciation Days’ that disingenuously portray Starbucks as a champion of ‘open carry.’ … To be clear: we do not want these events in our stores. Some anti-gun activists have also played a role in ratcheting up the rhetoric and friction, including soliciting and confronting our customers and partners. For these reasons, today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where ‘open carry’ is permitted—unless they are identified law enforcement personnel.

And heeeeeere come the splodey heads!

340 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:45:48am

re: #335 Vicious Babushka

Check this out:

Virginia Republicans start out a rally for their insane Lt. Governor with a nice Jewish joke about how Jews like money a lot.

Youtube Video

341 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:47:38am

re: #333 Vicious Babushka

Don’t you know all liberals are baby killers too!!!!!

342 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:48:03am

re: #340 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Did they have an Obama rodeo clown come out next?

343 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:49:08am

He fucking sucks at telling jokes.

344 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:49:27am

re: #342 Eclectic Cyborg

Did they have an Obama rodeo clown come out next?

I’m sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of myself cackling while I toss gold coins which I stole from Christians up into the air and let them tinkle on the ground, literally the only noise which brings my Jewish heart joy.

For fuck’s sake. 2013 and we still have Jew-money jokes being told unironically.

It got a big laugh, too.

345 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:52:04am

re: #344 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It got a big laugh, too.

My surprise let me show it to you.

346 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 4:56:11am

re: #340 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Check this out:

Virginia Republicans start out a rally for their insane Lt. Governor with a nice Jewish joke about how Jews like money a lot.

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DOOFUS OF THE DAY.

347 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:02:00am

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

More GOP outreach to potential voters.

/

348 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:06:03am
349 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:06:20am

A funny joke to tell to friends in private perhaps, but WTF is he doing telling this on a campaign speech?

350 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:07:01am

re: #349 Sol Berdinowitz

A funny joke to tell to friends in private perhaps, but WTF is he doing telling this on a campaign speech?

Because he’s a stupid asshole.

351 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:07:55am

re: #350 Vicious Babushka

Because he’s a stupid asshole.

it was a rhetorical question, like “Is the Pope Catholic?”

352 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:10:37am

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

Starbucks to customers: keep your guns out of our stores

And heeeeeere come the splodey heads!

The open carry zealots, and I use that word very specifically, don’t get that they’re just being asses and I’ll be the first thing I hear after I repost this is one of them squealing about “Hoplophobia”.

353 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:11:23am

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

Starbucks to customers: keep your guns out of our stores

And heeeeeere come the splodey heads!

Derp!!!

GAR • 43 minutes ago −
I’m guessing it’s alright if untreated mentally ill customers come and buy your coffee though, right? I’ve had my last cup of Starbucks coffee.
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354 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:12:45am

re: #352 William Barnett-Lewis

They are easy targets for public mocking.

355 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:13:37am

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

Starbucks to customers: keep your guns out of our stores

And heeeeeere come the splodey heads!

“Starbucks will not ban firearms outright. “

“”I empathize with both sides,” Schultz said. “Starbucks is not a policymaker.” He declined to say whether he personally owns a firearm, adding: “I don’t think it’s relevant.”

356 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:14:11am

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

Starbucks to customers: keep your guns out of our stores

And heeeeeere come the splodey heads!

357 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:15:14am

We even have establishments here in “gun country” that do not permit guns inside their property.

Starbucks could easily put up “No weapons allowed” signs.

358 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:16:23am

re: #357 Justanotherhuman

We even have establishments here in “gun country” that do not permit guns inside their property.

Starbucks could easily put up “No weapons allowed” signs.

Loaded weapons banned at gun shows.

359 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:16:43am

What is the so-called “proof” that teatards have linking the Navy shooter to the Democratic Party?

360 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:17:08am
361 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:17:27am
362 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:17:35am

re: #359 Dr. Matt

Because shut up that’s why.

363 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:22:43am
364 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:27:42am

He got 20 years. Good. Arsonists are a cats hair above child molesters in my opinion.

365 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:28:46am

‘Neo-Nazi’ held over Greek musician Pavlos Fyssas death

bbc.co.uk

“Golden Dawn has frequently been accused of violence towards left-wing activists and immigrants and is blamed for vigilante attacks.

“Europe’s top human rights body, the Council of Europe, has said there are grounds for Golden Dawn to be made illegal.

“But the party has 18 MPs. Its popularity has grown during Greece’s financial crisis. The government fears banning the party could drive it underground and increase its support.”

366 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:29:24am

re: #363 Vicious Babushka

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Sadly, that doesn’t surprise me.

A real world example of epistemic closure and the potentially tragic consequences.

367 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:31:53am

re: #365 Justanotherhuman

‘Neo-Nazi’ held over Greek musician Pavlos Fyssas death

bbc.co.uk

“Golden Dawn has frequently been accused of violence towards left-wing activists and immigrants and is blamed for vigilante attacks.

“Europe’s top human rights body, the Council of Europe, has said there are grounds for Golden Dawn to be made illegal.

“But the party has 18 MPs. Its popularity has grown during Greece’s financial crisis. The government fears banning the party could drive it underground and increase its support.”

I’ve often thought about that; why doesn’t the Greek government simply proscribe Golden Dawn as a terrorist organization and outlaw it? The Greek government’s fear, however, is a legitimate one; banning the party would - quite likely - simply drive it underground and could inadvertently enhance its reputation.

368 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:35:23am

re: #367 Dr Lizardo

Obviously, fascism has been underground in Greece for some time (a remnant of WWII?), only recently surfacing to take advantage of the economic and immigration situations there.

And to think they have 18 MPs is staggering.

369 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:40:00am

re: #368 Justanotherhuman

Obviously, fascism has been underground in Greece for some time (a remnant of WWII?), only recently surfacing to take advantage of the economic and immigration situations there.

And to think they have 18 MPs is staggering.

It’s not just in Greece; you can find fascist holdovers everywhere in Europe. Like you pointed out, as the economic situation has deteriorated in various European countries, it’s made something of a comeback. Add increased immigration - quite a bit of it from the Middle East and Africa - to the mix, and it’s a potentially ugly situation, of course.

If the economy in the Eurozone improves, however, the neo-fascists will begin to lose their attractiveness in the eyes of the public. Fascism by and large thrives best in desperate times.

370 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:40:08am
371 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:42:11am

re: #368 Justanotherhuman

Obviously, fascism has been underground in Greece for some time (a remnant of WWII?), only recently surfacing to take advantage of the economic and immigration situations there.

And to think they have 18 MPs is staggering.

Economic uncertainty drives people into the arms of parties that preach absolutism.

372 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:42:47am

re: #370 Vicious Babushka

You know they’re already eyeballing your pies right?

373 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:44:09am

Bah I hate third shift. I never know when to go to bed.

374 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:44:36am

re: #371 Sol Berdinowitz

Economic uncertainty drives people into the arms of parties that preach absolutism.

Yes, of course. It’s why the TP gained a foothold in the US, and why the Nazi Party flourished in Germany.

375 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:46:11am

re: #370 Vicious Babushka

Here’s your Smile of the Day.

They did make me smile! Such beautiful babies. : )

376 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:46:16am

re: #370 Vicious Babushka

Here’s your Smile of the Day.

The little one on the left in the photo has a rather……skeptical look.

377 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:48:32am

They’re all swaddled up so I can’t see which one is making the Vulcan hand sign.

378 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:53:54am

re: #370 Vicious Babushka

Here’s your Smile of the Day.

Thought bubbles:
The one on the right - what are we going to do today?
The one on the left - the same thing we do every day, plot to take over the world.

They are absolutely adorable.

379 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:54:32am

re: #377 Vicious Babushka

They’re all swaddled up so I can’t see which one is making the Vulcan hand sign.

Image: Child_vulcan_salute.jpg

380 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:56:08am
381 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:56:53am
382 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:58:31am

re: #381 Vicious Babushka

Leaving the hospital.

Haha, “Not ready for my closeup, Mr. DeMille.”

383 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 5:59:35am

re: #370 Vicious Babushka

Aww, little baby burritos… heehee.

384 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:04:04am

The Vulcan hand sign is actually the ancient Juice Priestly Blessing, which proves that Vulcans are Teh Space Juice.

385 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:10:18am

re: #384 Vicious Babushka

The Vulcan hand sign is actually the ancient Juice Priestly Blessing, which proves that Vulcans are Teh Space Juice.

Which just proves that Leonard Nimoy is Jewish…

386 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:12:20am

re: #385 Sol Berdinowitz

Which just proves that Leonard Nimoy is Jewish…

Yeah he is, that’s where he got the hand sign thing from.

387 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:15:41am
388 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:22:11am

re: #386 Vicious Babushka

Yeah he is, that’s where he got the hand sign thing from.

I’ve read that some Trek actors can’t make the sign. Was this also a problem for the priestly class? Sorry, you can’t be a priest, you can’t make the sign.

389 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:24:10am

re: #388 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve read that some Trek actors can’t make the sign. Was this also a problem for the priestly class? Sorry, you can’t be a priest, you can’t make the sign.

I assume that it was a Jewish inventor who came up with Super Glue…

390 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:26:10am

GUN NUTS BOYCOTTING STARBUCKS!!!

That’ll show ‘em!

I never go to Starbucks, maybe I should visit now?

391 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:27:27am

*facepalm*

392 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:29:51am
393 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:32:48am

Archaeologists make yet another interesting find in Jerusalem with the discovery of a mansion that may have belonged to the priests from Jesus’ time. The mansion contained a mikveh, one of a handful of bathtubs found in Israel from the Second Temple Period, and other details:

The mansion was built close to the walls of the Second Temple, erected by King Herod the Great in biblical times. It boasted a three-pit oven — a luxury in those days — as well as a private walk-in ritual pool and a separate bathroom.

The bathtub is one of the most significant clues in the mystery surrounding the mansion’s owners. Only three other such tubs have been linked to the Second Temple period in Israel, Gibson said. Two of them were unearthed in Herod’s palaces at Jericho and Masada, and the third was found in a priestly residence excavated nearby in Jerusalem’s Jewish Quarter.

“It is only a stone’s throw away, and I wouldn’t hesitate to say that the people who made that bathroom probably were the same ones who made this one,” Gibson said. “It’s almost identical, not only in the way it’s made, but also in the finishing touches, like the edge of the bath itself.”

394 Lidane  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:38:16am

So I am officially free from my low-paying job and am on the hunt again. I’m also hungover, since I went out last night to celebrate.

Today’s adventure will involve dealing with my student loans contact about getting a deferral on my payments and also applying for unemployment since I’m eligible for it. Also, job applications. Lots of job applications.

395 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:41:36am

re: #394 Lidane

So I am officially free from my low-paying job and am on the hunt again. I’m also hungover, since I went out last night to celebrate.

Today’s adventure will involve dealing with my student loans contact about getting a deferral on my payments and also applying for unemployment since I’m eligible for it. Also, job applications. Lots of job applications.

I remember I felt like shit in January 2012 being laid off from my job just 2 weeks before my youngest daughter’s wedding.

I took the Job From Hell (fed gov contract at military site) and that didn’t work out, and then I found my current position where I’m happy and I’m making twice as much money as at the first job.

Things will turn out well for you, it’s just that during the uncertainty it all sucks.

396 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:41:43am

re: #394 Lidane

Good luck! Somewhere buried deep in some box of memorabilia is a photo of me and my buddy at a bar, glazed over and surrounded by dozens of beer bottles. He had just graduated dental school and I had just quit my job to go back to school.

Not sure if my kids have ever seen that shot.

397 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:46:32am

re: #394 Lidane

So I am officially free from my low-paying job and am on the hunt again. I’m also hungover, since I went out last night to celebrate.

Today’s adventure will involve dealing with my student loans contact about getting a deferral on my payments and also applying for unemployment since I’m eligible for it. Also, job applications. Lots of job applications.

Are you following the new “Truth in Advertising” laws and putting “Liberal Commie Obama-Lover” in bold 48-pt at the top of your resume?
/ ;)

398 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:49:25am

re: #394 Lidane

I wish you well. College education puts you above the pack at least. Go You!!

399 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:51:16am

Is it just me, or did the font suddenly change?

400 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:52:20am

Ah, the joys of twitter and breaking news events encapsulated in two tweets moments apart from the same person:


CTV in Canada is reporting multiple fatalities after a double decker bus collided with a commuter rail train in Ottowa.

401 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:52:47am

re: #399 Sionainn

Charles implemented a new font yesterday afternoon.

402 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:55:20am

re: #401 lawhawk

Charles implemented a new font yesterday afternoon.

une font terrible!

403 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:56:20am

re: #394 Lidane

So I am officially free from my low-paying job and am on the hunt again. I’m also hungover, since I went out last night to celebrate.

Today’s adventure will involve dealing with my student loans contact about getting a deferral on my payments and also applying for unemployment since I’m eligible for it. Also, job applications. Lots of job applications.

Please tell me you got a letter of rec from your former boss? It really helps for a former employer to send you off with that. : )

404 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:57:18am

Seems skinnier than last night.

405 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:58:59am

re: #394 Lidane

The thing I remember most about the day I quit the call center job from hell was going out to dinner with my fiancé that night to celebrate. I’m not sure I’ve ever been happier.

God help me if I ever have to work in one of those places again.

406 b.d.  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:59:06am

No more guns at Starbucks!?!?!

But I loved going in there armed and asking for a grande chai tea latte with extra foam……NOW!

407 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:00:18am

re: #400 lawhawk

Aww man. Ottawa is my hometown. I still have family there. Hope no one I know is involved.

408 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:01:26am

re: #390 Vicious Babushka

So there’s a Texas state chapter of TGDN. I find that amusing.

409 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:01:35am

GOP solution to everything? Write Obamacare repeal or defunding or delay into every bill touching on major issues facing Congress.

Debt ceiling? Check.
Continuing resolutions for new fiscal year starting October 1? Check.


This is the modern GOP. Obamacare is the cause of, and solution to, all that ails the GOP.

410 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:01:52am

re: #401 lawhawk

Charles implemented a new font yesterday afternoon.

What’s weird is that I was on here earlier…old font. Came back on…new font.

411 darthstar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:02:14am

re: #406 b.d.

No more guns at Starbucks!?!?!

But I loved going in there armed and asking for a grande chai tea latte with extra foam……NOW!

Not that there are a lot of fights at Starbucks in the first place, but this pretty much nails the 2nd Amendment crowd.

412 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:02:49am

re: #381 Vicious Babushka

Not ready for the bright lights, I see.

413 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:03:46am

re: #412 Bulworth

Not ready for the bright lights, I see.

That’s why they should make sunglasses for the teeny infants.

414 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:04:20am

re: #409 lawhawk

I see. So the preferred plan is to shoot all the hostages. The back-up plan is to only shoot half the hostages. /

415 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:05:42am

My 8+ year-old cellphone bit the dust. (Can’t keep a battery charge, hard to find batteries and chargers for it, ancient tech.) So I broke down and got an Iphone 5 today. (Good deal considering the 5s coming out on Friday - so the Verizon store was trying to move their last few 5 models.)

The Phone is dead. Long live the Phone!

(This is my 3rd phone since 1996 or so.)

416 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:06:11am

re: #391 Vicious Babushka

*facepalm*

Confirmed. FACT.

Also too, video games kill. /

417 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:06:48am

re: #416 Bulworth

Confirmed. FACT.

Also too, video games kill. /

Wingnuts are SO ON IT!

418 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:07:23am

re: #415 Feline Fearless Leader

8 years, quite a run. Was it a flip-phone? When did the first smartphone come out?

419 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:09:39am

re: #399 Sionainn

Is it just me, or did the font suddenly change?

I lobbied for Times New Roman but Charles has this unreasonable prejudice against serifs … ///

420 darthstar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:09:40am
421 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:09:43am

re: #359 Dr. Matt

What is the so-called “proof” that teatards have linking the Navy shooter to the Democratic Party?

Duh. Shooter was blah person. And a mass shooter. Automatically libtard. ///

422 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:12:11am

Please, please, please let McAuliffe win this one in VA. That would mean that Dems have at least a fighting chance to win more seats in 2014. I mean, I’ve never cared for McAuliffe all that much, and some Dems probably feel the same way, but Cucinnelli is rightwing-crazy.

Poll: Tight race in crucial governor’s election

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

423 b.d.  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:12:38am

re: #416 Bulworth

Confirmed. FACT.

Also too, video games kill. /

Navy shooter described as Obama liberal unhappy with America

Described by who?

424 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:12:38am

re: #418 Bulworth

8 years, quite a run. Was it a flip-phone? When did the first smartphone come out?

LG model flip-phone. As was its predecessor. Reason I know that I had it in 2006 (or earlier) is that I took photos with it in 2006 and the earlier flip-phone did not even have a camera.

Now carrying an Iphone 4 (company issue) and the 5. And, of course, their chargers are not interchangeable.

425 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:15:58am

re: #419 William Barnett-Lewis

I lobbied for Times New Roman but Charles has this unreasonable prejudice against serifs … ///

Charles has this unreasonable prejudice against serfs?

Excellent! I hate serfdom myself.

426 Lidane  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:17:07am

re: #403 Justanotherhuman

Please tell me you got a letter of rec from your former boss? It really helps for a former employer to send you off with that. : )

A formal letter of recommendation? No, I don’t have that. I can ask for one , though. They’ve offered to provide any help I might need in getting another job.

My ex-boss and I celebrated on Monday. He gave the company his own notice after they essentially blamed him for the sales numbers being down and pretty much decimated his entire team. I don’t think they expected him to leave, so they’re in panic mode.

He was here in Austin Monday and Tuesday so we could close the office. Not only are we now Facebook friends, but we’re writing recommendations for each other on LinkedIn and he’s a reference for me now.

427 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:18:07am

re: #426 Lidane

A formal letter of recommendation? No, I don’t have that. I can ask for one , though. They’ve offered to provide any help I might need in getting another job.

My ex-boss and I celebrated on Monday. He gave the company his own notice after they essentially blamed him for the sales numbers being down and pretty much decimated his entire team. I don’t think they expected him to leave, so they’re in panic mode.

He was here in Austin Monday and Tuesday so we could close the office. Not only are we now Facebook friends, but we’re writing recommendations for each other on LinkedIn and he’s a reference for me now.

Excellent! Hope you find something very soon. : )

428 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:18:15am

VA GOP preparing to send former candidate for governor into party-exile.

Not severely conservative enough apparently.

429 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:18:42am

fun Google doodle today.

430 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:19:52am

An Antares rocket is scheduled to launch from NASA’s facility at Wallops Island at 10:58am EDT for a mission to the ISS.

Video of the prep:
Youtube Video

NASA and Orbital Sciences will be carrying the launch live. Some on the East Coast, up to NYC even, may be able to spot the launch.

431 b.d.  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:21:07am

re: #416 Bulworth

Confirmed. FACT.

I read the article and it is a TeaParty guy saying that the shooter was more liberal than him and he thought Obama was better than Bush.

And that my friends is what makes one an Obama Liberal.

*Facepalm*

432 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:21:13am
433 Ian G.  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:21:26am

re: #168 Kragar

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Go live in a cave shithead.

Wait, Fischer just linked to a news story about antibiotic-resistant bacteria. How did those bacteria develop resistance, Bryan? Did they….evolve?

Even my wingnut uncle who blathers about “intelligent design” has conceded that evolution occurs with bacteria and other simple organisms. It just doesn’t happen with complex organisms because shut up, that’s why.

434 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:21:37am

Aren’t VA republicans picking candidates by supreme council now?

435 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:24:29am

re: #433 Ian G.

Wait, Fischer just linked to a news story about antibiotic-resistant bacteria. How did those bacteria develop resistance, Bryan? Did they….evolve?

Even my wingnut uncle who blathers about “intelligent design” has conceded that evolution occurs with bacteria and other simple organisms. It just doesn’t happen with complex organisms because shut up, that’s why.

Fish that walk on land.
Youtube Video

436 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:25:12am

Some Virginians would rather vote for a fucking crook instead of someone who would inject some fairness into govt.

Ken Cuccinelli tries to unring those bells

blogs.roanoke.com

Cuccinelli was dipping into the same money pot as the McDonnells.

437 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:26:17am

re: #168 Kragar

Abstinence before marriage, fidelity after. 100% protection against STDS.

I do not disagree, and abstinence is an option that cannot be stressed enough. But for those who choose other options, they should be given the necessary information to help prevent pregnancy and STDs.

Conservatives love personal responsibility, but how do expect people to make responsible choices without sufficient information?

Oh…because it is not about choice, it is about doing what they say (and not necessarily what they do)

438 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:27:55am

re: #433 Ian G.

Wait, Fischer just linked to a news story about antibiotic-resistant bacteria. How did those bacteria develop resistance, Bryan? Did they….evolve?

Even my wingnut uncle who blathers about “intelligent design” has conceded that evolution occurs with bacteria and other simple organisms. It just doesn’t happen with complex organisms because shut up, that’s why.

The Bible does not mention bacteria, so perhaps God created them by accident before he got into the plant- and animal-making business, and the people-making sideline.

I’m sure creationists have some sort of hand-waving explanation for the existence of bacteria and viruses. The Ken Ham Answers in Genesis crowd contends carnivorism is a consequence of the Fall, and the dinosaurs living alongside Adam and Eve were all plant-eaters. Even T. Rex, with those razor-sharp teeth.

439 Lidane  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:28:41am

If the emails from the Texas Dems that are currently blowing up my inbox are to be believed, Wendy Davis will be announcing a run for Governor on October 3rd. Oh sure, they don’t say that outright, but why else would they start bombarding my inbox with announcements of her holding a media event that day to “announce her future plans”?

I expect the nutbars to go ‘splodey as soon as she steps up to the mic.

440 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:29:01am

re: #438 wheat-dogghazi

The Ken Ham Answers in Genesis crowd contends carnivorism is a consequence of the Fall, and the dinosaurs living alongside Adam and Eve were all plant-eaters. Even T. Rex, with those razor-sharp teeth.

God created T Rex teeth to help Adam slice his bananas…

441 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:29:31am

re: #438 wheat-dogghazi

The Bible does not mention bacteria, so perhaps God created them by accident before he got into the plant- and animal-making business, and the people-making sideline.

I’m sure creationists have some sort of hand-waving explanation for the existence of bacteria and viruses. The Ken Ham Answers in Genesis crowd contends carnivorism is a consequence of the Fall, and the dinosaurs living alongside Adam and Eve were all plant-eaters. Even T. Rex, with those razor-sharp teeth.

God had dirty hands.

442 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:35:14am

re: #438 wheat-dogghazi

The Ken Ham Answers in Genesis crowd contends carnivorism is a consequence of the Fall,

The Fall is a one-size fits all explanation for everything…

//

443 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:35:17am

Google celebrating Foucault’s Pendulum today: google.com

His 194th b.d.

444 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:36:01am

re: #443 Justanotherhuman

Or, it’s a backhanded tribute to the new Miley Cyrus video? /

445 Lidane  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:36:23am

re: #440 Sol Berdinowitz

God created T Rex teeth to help Adam slice his bananas…

He also created the brontosaurus to help move rocks at the quarry and the wooly mammoth to function as a shower. Heh.

446 Carlos Danger  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:36:39am

re: #417 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are SO ON IT!

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Fox is going to chase this ephemeral problem because it distracts from things like maternity leave, access to health, etc.

You know, things that cost money.

447 Lidane  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:39:58am

re: #446 Carlos Danger

Fox is going to chase this ephemeral problem because it distracts from things like maternity leave, access to health, etc.

You know, things that cost money.

Pshaw! Who needs maternity leave or health care? That’s what the ER is for.

/2013 GOP

448 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:40:05am

re: #442 Bulworth

The Fall is a one-size fits all explanation for everything…

//

And the Flood explains why there are no silly unicorns to this very day.

Youtube Video

449 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:43:33am

re: #447 Lidane

Pshaw! Who needs maternity leave or health care? That’s what the ER is for.

/2013 GOP

If a man cannot afford to pay for those things himself, he has no reason to be getting his lawfully married wife pregnant. That is what family values are all about.

/

450 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:44:33am

re: #416 Bulworth

BizPac.com…..the world’s most trusted news source,.

451 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:45:52am

re: #450 Dr. Matt

BizPac.com…..the world’s most trusted news source,.

I thought that was Weekly World News?//

452 Lidane  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:57:36am

Dipshit wingnut cousin on FB is derping about some newscast that incorrectly identified an AR-15 as a shotgun. Because that of course invalidates every argument about gun control ever.

And he’s quoting Dana Loesch. WTF.

453 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:57:50am
454 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:58:08am

6, 5, 4…

455 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:00:44am

re: #452 Lidane

Dipshit wingnut cousin on FB is derping about some newscast that incorrectly identified an AR-15 as a shotgun. Because that of course invalidates every argument about gun control ever.

And he’s quoting Dana Loesch. WTF.

All the wingnuts on Teh Twitters are jubilating over this shotgun/AR-15 thing because they think that it TOTALLY INVALIDATES EVERYTHING ANY LIBRUL SAID ABOUT TEH GUNZ EVER!!!11!!

That is why Teh Twitters is for Derp and FB is only for pictures of my grandkids.

Once in a while even one of my kids might drop some derp and I totally ignore it because they’re still my kids.

456 SnowdenBaggerVance  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:01:45am

re: #452 Lidane

Dipshit wingnut cousin on FB is derping about some newscast that incorrectly identified an AR-15 as a shotgun. Because that of course invalidates every argument about gun control ever.

And he’s quoting Dana Loesch. WTF.

Dennis Prager noted ‘the liberal media lied about the gun being an AR-15’ yesterday. This was in between ranting about how a military base has no guns because Bill Clinton, who also caused the financial collapse by giving loans to minorities.

457 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:02:56am

re: #456 SnowdenBaggerVance

Dennis Prager noted ‘the liberal media lied about the gun being an AR-15’ yesterday. This was in between ranting about how a military base has no guns because Bill Clinton, who also caused the financial collapse by giving loans to minorities.

Wonkette has a scathing takedown of this stupid meme.

458 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:04:24am

re: #419 William Barnett-Lewis

I lobbied for Times New Roman but Charles has this unreasonable prejudice against serifs … ///

A font of knowledge came out yesterday.

459 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:05:47am

EXCLUSIVE: Senators Call For Investigation Into Navy Yard Shooter’s Security Clearance

Read more: swampland.time.com

“Miller’s agency [Federal Investigative Services] has come under fire for potential failures that may have allowed admitted NSA leaker Edward Snowden to renew his security clearance in 2011. OPM inspector general Patrick McFarland told the four lawmakers at a June hearing that a reinvestigation into Snowden’s clearance two years before he obtained and leaked highly sensitive documents this summer was flawed.

(snip)

“The White House has already ordered an examination of the process by which contractors can attain security clearances, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Tuesday.

“On the broader issue of clearances, as you know, DNI is currently undertaking a review of security clearance policy for certain contractors,” he said. “And I can tell you that at the president’s direction OMB is examining standards for contractors and employees across federal agencies. So this is obviously a matter that the president believes and has believed merits review.”

Read more: swampland.time.com

460 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:06:15am

re: #456 SnowdenBaggerVance

Pretty sure Dennis Prager, Bryan Fischer and Peter Lebrabera are the same person.

461 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:07:30am

At least Piers Morgan knows when to correctly use “your” and “you’re”

462 Gus  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:07:37am
463 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:09:12am

re: #419 William Barnett-Lewis

I lobbied for Times New Roman but Charles has this unreasonable prejudice against serifs … ///

I vote for the old font. I’m not digging this.

464 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:09:17am

re: #436 Justanotherhuman

Some Virginians would rather vote for a fucking crook instead of someone who would inject some fairness into govt.

Ken Cuccinelli tries to unring those bells

blogs.roanoke.com

Cuccinelli was dipping into the same money pot as the McDonnells.

Cuccinnelli is the worst kind of politician. A crook and also a fanatic. It just kills me that there wasn’t a better Democrat to run than Terry McAuliffe out there. That could be Tim Kaine but no Virginia has to limit our governor’s to one term which is fortunate should Cuchi for Cooca puffs ever get elected, he couldn’t destroy the commonwealth that bad but he’d also have a Republican majority in both houses of legislature to enact his insane agenda.

465 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:10:00am

re: #458 Political Atheist

A font of knowledge came out yesterday.

Heh. Cute.

I know only a small amount about fonts as I’ve not ever had a need to do serious typography. Personally my favorite font knowledge is that Linotype lead makes really nice cast bullets ;)

466 ericblair  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:11:16am

re: #407 Eclectic Cyborg

Aww man. Ottawa is my hometown. I still have family there. Hope no one I know is involved.

It’s mine too. I read the local report; it looks like 5 ppl dead including the driver, accident on the rail line north of Barrhaven. Apparently this grade crossing was a known safety issue a few years ago, and the bridge didn’t get built.

467 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:11:19am

re: #460 Bulworth

Pretty sure Dennis Prager, Bryan Fischer and Peter Lebrabera are the same person.

Prager from what I understand is the actual real life inspiration for Officer Barbrady on South Park.

468 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:13:04am

Let the blame games begin. Syria has “proof” it was “rebels” who used CW.

m.bbc.co.uk

469 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:14:57am

Favorite font knowledge: I’m old enough to remember movable type. : )

And mimeograph machines, which is how a lot of stuff in the 60s got circulated. I had one in my kitchen until we opened a women’s center, printing out our monthly newsletter.

470 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:16:56am

re: #465 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. Cute.

I know only a small amount about fonts as I’ve not ever had a need to do serious typography. Personally my favorite font knowledge is that Linotype lead makes really nice cast bullets ;)

I had heard that. I used to buy the “silver” bullets. A tiny bit of silver in the lead alloy makes for a far better casting. You can’t see it, but the grain structure gets very fine. I never cast my own, just bought and loaded my own competition ammunition.

471 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:17:29am

re: #469 Justanotherhuman

Favorite font knowledge: I’m old enough to remember movable type. : )

And mimeograph machines, which is how a lot of stuff in the 60s got circulated. I had one in my kitchen until we opened a women’s center, printing out our monthly newsletter.

So did you paint the kitchen purple or just live with purple polkadots? (been there, done that)

472 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:19:25am

re: #348 Vicious Babushka

Also “that mass murderer used a shotgun, not an ar-15, to hunt and kill human beings” is apparently something they’re super proud of
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) September 18, 2013

And then allegedly took pistols from the “good guys with guns” that are supposed to be the (according to RWNJ) unassailable force to stop these kinds of things.

473 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:21:11am

re: #472 Eventual Carrion

And then allegedly took pistols from the “good guys with guns” that are supposed to be the (according to RWNJ) unassailable force to stop these kinds of things.

Only if they are open-carrying, locked & loaded 2nd Amendment pertecktin’ CITIZENS not YOONYUN THUG LAW ENFORCEMENT!!1

474 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:21:49am

re: #468 GlutenFreeJesus

Let the blame games begin. Syria has “proof” it was “rebels” who used CW.

m.bbc.co.uk

Proof? It’s all their say so.

HRW and the UN both indicate that the rebels lack the capabilities to carry out large scale military operations that are indicated by the bombardment of the areas hit by CW simultaneously. They lack possession of the weapons systems implicated in the attacks.

What Syria and Russia want the world to think is that the rebels somehow obtained Russian-designed CW from sources (from Assad’s own stockpiles?) and used them against their own side - civilians and rebel forces alike.

It’s all part of the spin that they want people to think that the reason that Assad’s suddenly admitting to having CW and a willingness to give them up is that his forces can’t maintain security for the stockpiles of CW.

But it would take an improbable sequence of events for the rebels to have gained possession and then used the weapons in the August 21 attacks that killed more than 1,000 people and is attributed to sarin exposure.

475 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:33:29am

re: #471 kirkspencer

So did you paint the kitchen purple or just live with purple polkadots? (been there, done that)

Oh no…I’m very neat, no prob w/the mimeo. But because I also had to use a manual typewriter, we were stuck w/one for a long time. At least the electrics did offer other type styles if you wanted to buy them, in 10 and 12 pt styles.

476 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:39:33am

lolwut

477 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:41:22am

re: #476 Vicious Babushka

lolwut

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Are you really surprised? I know I’m not. These loonies are going full swivel-eyed batshit crazy.

478 Lidane  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:42:03am

re: #476 Vicious Babushka

Haven’t they been saying some variation of that shit since 2008?

The Almighty is apparently a lazy bastard and is taking his time on the Apocalypse.

479 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:44:06am

re: #478 Lidane

Haven’t they been saying some variation of that shit since 2008 60 AD?

The Almighty is apparently a lazy bastard and is taking his time on the Apocalypse.

FTFY.

480 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:44:37am

re: #477 Dr Lizardo

Are you really surprised? I know I’m not. These loonies are going full swivel-eyed batshit crazy.

I am kind of relieved that I have not encountered any Weapons-Grade Chemical Nuclear Toxic Crazy since I stopped watching Lisa’s tweets.

Everything else is just your average everyday swivel-eyed batshit crazy.

481 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:44:50am

re: #474 lawhawk

Proof? It’s all their say so.

HRW and the UN both indicate that the rebels lack the capabilities to carry out large scale military operations that are indicated by the bombardment of the areas hit by CW simultaneously. They lack possession of the weapons systems implicated in the attacks.

What Syria and Russia want the world to think is that the rebels somehow obtained Russian-designed CW from sources (from Assad’s own stockpiles?) and used them against their own side - civilians and rebel forces alike.

It’s all part of the spin that they want people to think that the reason that Assad’s suddenly admitting to having CW and a willingness to give them up is that his forces can’t maintain security for the stockpiles of CW.

But it would take an improbable sequence of events for the rebels to have gained possession and then used the weapons in the August 21 attacks that killed more than 1,000 people and is attributed to sarin exposure.

Syria will apparently release their “findings” to the UN. I’ve thought long about this though. With all the towns the “rebels” have taken over, it really could be feasible that they’ve gotten their hands on some of this stuff. This civil war has been going on for quite some time.

482 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:45:28am

So, a white conservative “friend” of Alexis is the sole source the shooter’s political views? Jebus.

483 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:48:08am

re: #419 William Barnett-Lewis

I lobbied for Times New Roman but Charles has this unreasonable prejudice against serifs … ///

I’m not digging this new font.

484 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:48:20am

NSA says Snowden took documents from internal website: report

“The NSA disclosures have raised questions about U.S. surveillance efforts and privacy as well as private contractors’ clearance procedures and access to sensitive data.

“But changes to data-sharing could also have national security implications given the push to share more intelligence among agencies after the September 11, 2001, attacks. Information sharing also arose as an issue in the Boston marathon bombing in April.

“Anderson said other changes include limiting access to sensitive documents by “tagging” them with identifiers that will also allow supervisors to see who is viewing what data and what those individuals do with it.”

reuters.com

485 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:48:59am

Dear Tiger Woods

Just a quick note here. After my round this morning, IF I can manage to just shave say two strokes per hole, I will be prepared to challenge you!!!

I should be ready after ,,oh,, 12 -15 more years of practice

Me

486 Lidane  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:49:03am

re: #482 Dr. Matt

So, a white conservative “friend” of Alexis is the sole source the shooter’s political views? Jebus.

Duh. What more do you need? His blah friends and their insight?

487 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:50:51am

re: #483 Sionainn

I’m not digging this new font.

re: #463 Dr. Matt

I vote for the old font. I’m not digging this.

Quit stealing my lines.

488 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:52:57am

FONT WAR!!!

Vote for your favorite

winner gets a new font named after them!

489 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:54:13am

re: #469 Justanotherhuman

Favorite font knowledge: I’m old enough to remember movable type. : )

And mimeograph machines, which is how a lot of stuff in the 60s got circulated. I had one in my kitchen until we opened a women’s center, printing out our monthly newsletter.

I always liked those Selectric font balls. Thought that was the coolest thing ever.

490 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:54:20am

I think I’ll throw up.

Video: House hearing on Bengahzi attack

Obamacare and Bengahzi, ad nauseum. Can the Rs please get another schtick? These have mold around the edges.

491 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:54:53am

re: #480 Vicious Babushka

I am kind of relieved that I have not encountered any Weapons-Grade Chemical Nuclear Toxic Crazy since I stopped watching Lisa’s tweets.

Everything else is just your average everyday swivel-eyed batshit crazy.

That Lisa person is Rense-level crazy.

492 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:55:31am

re: #489 Sionainn

I always liked those Selectric font balls. Thought that was the coolest thing ever.

Well, I thought it was a big PITA to swap them out every time I wanted to use italic.

493 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:56:12am

re: #488 sattv4u2

FONT WAR!!!

Vote for your favorite

winner gets a new font named after them!

Font dome. Two fonts enter, one gets kerned.

494 Carlos Danger  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:56:22am

re: #462 Gus

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Putin’s PR agency is US based, if I remember correctly.

495 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:56:30am

re: #487 Dr. Matt

Quit stealing my lines.

I noticed that after I got to your post. So sorry to step on your toes. //

496 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:56:58am

re: #488 sattv4u2

FONT WAR!!!
Vote for your favorite

Georgia looks good on websites. So does Arial, albeit boring and expected.

497 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:57:19am

re: #488 sattv4u2

FONT WAR!!!

Vote for your favorite

winner gets a new font named after them!

I want a Dudebro font.

498 Jayleia  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:57:25am

The internet is amazing…butthurt is an actual medical diagnosis…REALLY

499 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:58:00am

re: #492 Vicious Babushka

Well, I thought it was a big PITA to swap them out every time I wanted to use italic.

LOL. Before that, you didn’t even have the option of using italic. Picky, picky.

500 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:58:06am

re: #490 Justanotherhuman

I think I’ll throw up.

Video: House hearing on Bengahzi attack

Obamacare and Bengahzi, ad nauseum. Can the Rs please get another schtick? These have mold around the edges.

They’ll find a new one.

501 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:58:47am

re: #497 Vicious Babushka

I want a Dudebro font.

Dudebro font would have teeny, tiny little Snowdens embedded in them.

502 b.d.  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:58:54am

re: #497 Vicious Babushka

I want a Dudebro font.

DudeBro Font! DudeBro Font! DudeBro Font! DudeBro Font! DudeBro Font!

503 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:58:56am

So I’m reading about an idiotic candidate blaming women in the workplace for Monday’s shooting. Yeah apparently men can’t handle women in the workplace and that makes them go nutso and shoot people. Makes total sense if you’re a right wing moron with a brain the size of a chickpea.

504 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:59:00am

re: #496 Dr. Matt

Georgia looks good on websites. So does Arial, albeit boring and expected.

Dr Arial Matt

Sounds like a Disney character!!!

505 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:59:18am

re: #496 Dr. Matt

Georgia looks good on websites. So does Arial, albeit boring and expected.

I like Arial. It’s what is used for most of the reports I type.

506 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:59:23am

re: #500 HappyWarrior

They’ll find a new one.

Uh oh. Font fail? Th-ese.

507 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:59:30am

re: #499 Sionainn

LOL. Before that, you didn’t even have the option of using italic. Picky, picky.

Yeah I know, we had to backspace and underline.

508 b.d.  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:59:30am

re: #501 Justanotherhuman

Dudebro font would have teeny, tiny little Snowdens embedded in them.

and the Rs would all be backwards

509 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:00:53am

re: #506 Justanotherhuman

Uh oh. Font fail? Th-ese.

Well before Benghazi, it was that he was spiking the football after getting OBL.

510 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:00:56am

re: #497 Vicious Babushka

I want a Dudebro font.

If it were in all different colors i would look like a ransom note

511 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:01:21am

re: #507 Vicious Babushka

Yeah I know, we had to backspace and underline.

I hated typing on carbon forms. I had green, pink, and yellow Whiteout to fix mistakes. Ugh.

512 Carlos Danger  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:01:24am

This new font seems kinda …big. Definitely hitting page down a lot more today.

513 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:01:29am

re: #504 sattv4u2

‘sylfaen sattv4u2’ font. Now there’s a tongue twister: sylfaen.

514 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:02:23am

re: #512 Carlos Danger

This new font seems kinda …big. Definitely hitting page down a lot more today.

I figured it out. This font looks cheap.

515 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:07:28am

re: #514 Sionainn

I figured it out. This font looks cheap.

i blame the sequester

516 b.d.  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:09:58am

re: #514 Sionainn

I figured it out. This font looks cheap.

Honey, we can’t afford to look this cheap
We need to make it look like we’re high class, so we’ll haul ourself on, we can’t be beat
I can’t help but wonder, this time next year, will we be drinking Dom Pérignon or reheated beer, well
Honey, we can’t afford to look this cheap
- The White Stripes

517 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:11:59am

Beanie Babies Creator Charged With Federal Tax Evasion

Source: nbcchicago.com

“The Illinois-based creator of Beanie Babies was charged Wednesday for allegedly failing to report earnings from a secret offshore bank account.

“H. Ty Warner, owner of the Westmont company that designs and sells the plush toys, plans to plead guilty to federal tax evasion and could pay a $53.5 million penalty.

(snip)

“Prosecutors said Warner maintained a secret offshore account with UBS starting in 1996 then transferred the assets in 2002 to a second Swiss financial institution. The account’s balance at the time was about $93,630,083.”

Source: nbcchicago.com


Source: nbcchicago.com

518 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:12:43am

NRA debunked…..again:

519 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:15:24am

re: #476 Vicious Babushka

Well, that should be good, right, them wanting the End Times to happen and all.

520 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:16:09am

re: #518 Dr. Matt

NRA debunked…..again:

[Embedded content]

Yeah, only because he had an out of state license and couldn’t prove residency in VA. Otherwise…

521 piratedan  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:17:20am

re: #519 Bulworth

Well, that should be good, right, them wanting the End Times to happen and all.

kinda makes all that work about protecting the wealth of the 1% seems kinda moot don’t it? Oops, I forgot that their religion consists of the single tenet that “They with the most toys wins, always”.

522 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:19:02am

re: #520 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, only because he had an out of state license and couldn’t prove residency in VA. Otherwise…

Nonetheless, it was a gun control law that worked. NRA and their teatards claim that gun control laws don’t work.

523 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:29:01am

re: #522 Dr. Matt

Nonetheless, it was a gun control law that worked. NRA and their teatards claim that gun control laws don’t work.

True. He probably should have gone to a gun show. No background checks required in VA: governing.com

524 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:38:03am

Ah well

the long short quiet drive walk to work the beach beckons

525 Stoatly  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:44:48am

re: #51 Stoatly

“Better to Jaw-Jaw than to War-War”
Not Churchill’s snappiest quote, but true none the less

Having slept on it, I’ve come to the conclusion that even Jar-Jar is better than War-War

526 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 9:47:41am

This is CNN’s wrongnado:

Comedy Central

527 darthstar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:00:24am

re: #468 GlutenFreeJesus

Heh…just saw the nick change…a friend of ours just self-published a gluten free cookbook. My wife went to her release party and bought five copies…got nieces, nephews, and kids of friends who are on gluten free diets.

528 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:05:55am

re: #526 lawhawk

This is CNN’s wrongnado:

[Embedded content]

I got a Cascade ad, but not John. Off to Comedy Central…

(I just noticed that the upper-case J in the new font looks almost exactly like the lower-case j. I thought my Shift key was broken for a minute…)

529 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:22:54am

Charleston, SC
Police: Eagles tunes lead to bread knife brawl

Rostov-on-Don
Russian Shot in Quarrel Over Kant’s Philosophy

People, this is embarrassing. we’ve got to close the Drunken Brawl Gap.

abcnews4.com

abcnews.go.com

530 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:32:21am

re: #529 Decatur Deb

Charleston, SC
Police: Eagles tunes lead to bread knife brawl

Rostov-on-Don
Russian Shot in Quarrel Over Kant’s Philosophy

People, this is embarrassing. we’ve got to close the Drunken Brawl Gap.

abcnews4.com

abcnews.go.com

Looks like someone should have been Taking It Easy.

531 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:33:15am

re: #530 HappyWarrior

Looks like someone should have been Taking It Easy.

I’d hate to critique their pure reason.

532 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:33:35am
533 Mike Lamb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:34:19am

Let’s assume for a second that Alexis was an Obama supporter. Wouldn’t that only be relevant if other Obama supporters were defending him? The fact is that liberals don’t care about the political leanings, we just want the mass shootings to stop.

Only one of the two parties is doing everything they can to ensure that nothing is done that might prevent future mass shootings (even if the measures are damn near toothless).

In my mind, it’s analogous to the “Democrats are the real racists, because CIVIL WAR!” Even if true, that doesn’t change the fact that right now, the GOP is the one promoting policies disproportionately impacting minorities.

534 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:36:15am

re: #532 Eclectic Cyborg

Finally got the page done:

Starbucks says “no guns in our stores please”, wingnuts seethe with rage

Starbucks says “Free cappuccino today”, wingnuts seethe with rage.

535 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:36:45am

re: #532 Eclectic Cyborg

Finally got the page done:

Starbucks says “no guns in our stores please”, wingnuts seethe with rage

Why the hell do you need a gun when you’re getting your morning coffee anyhow or when you’re in Starbucks cramming for tests. There’s a place for guns and if Starbucks, a private company wants to tell people they can’t bring guns in their stores, that is their right.

536 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:39:26am

re: #533 Mike Lamb

Let’s assume for a second that Alexis was an Obama supporter. Wouldn’t that only be relevant if other Obama supporters were defending him? The fact is that liberals don’t care about the political leanings, we just want the mass shootings to stop.

Only one of the two parties is doing everything they can to ensure that nothing is done that might prevent future mass shootings (even if the measures are damn near toothless).

In my mind, it’s analogous to the “Democrats are the real racists, because CIVIL WAR!” Even if true, that doesn’t change the fact that right now, the GOP is the one promoting policies disproportionately impacting minorities.

I don’t get it either. If I heard someone saying that though, I’d ask if that means his crime would be any less fucked upf if he had been a Romney supporter and conservative. It just seems that idiots on the right wing blogsphere love looking for this kind of stuff because “it” proves somehow that the left is full of violent people. Never mind the fact that in the same breath, they want to paint left leaning folks as effeminate wimps. These of course are the same people who cry out Lone Wolf! whenever one of theirs is involved in shooting. Anders Brevik in Norway for example. LONE WOLF! Even though he was influenced directly by many of them.

537 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:40:08am

re: #495 Sionainn

I noticed that after I got to your post. So sorry to step on your toes. //

I beat both of y’all. Posted yesterday afternoon. :-P

538 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:40:50am

re: #534 Decatur Deb

Starbucks says “Free cappuccino today”, wingnuts seethe with rage.

Starbucks agrees to make a vegan Pumpkin Spice Latte, wingnuts seethe with rage.

539 Ian G.  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:40:57am

re: #535 HappyWarrior

Why the hell do you need a gun when you’re getting your morning coffee anyhow or when you’re in Starbucks cramming for tests. There’s a place for guns and if Starbucks, a private company wants to tell people they can’t bring guns in their stores, that is their right.

First of all, you need a gun everywhere at all times because you never know when the gubmint will come for your Freedom (TM). Second, what is this crap about private property rights? Starbucks is violating Freedom (TM).

(Freedom is a registered trademark of the Republican National Committee)

540 Mike Lamb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:41:34am

re: #532 Eclectic Cyborg

The comments you posted are priceless. Wait…not priceless…way effing scary. The paranoia is unbelievable and, in my opinion, it supports my theory that most people that carry a gun at all times are just itching to use them. They really view themselves as some low rent super-hero that will save the day when the baddies come.

541 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:42:24am

re: #525 Stoatly

Having slept on it, I’ve come to the conclusion that even Jar-Jar is better than War-War

You-sa said a mouthfull!

542 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:42:24am

re: #538 Vicious Babushka

Starbucks agrees to make a vegan Pumpkin Spice Latte, wingnuts seethe with rage.

Now you’ve done it. Gotten me thirsty.

543 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:42:52am

re: #538 Vicious Babushka

Starbucks agrees to make a vegan Pumpkin Spice Latte, wingnuts seethe with rage.

Well, who wouldn’t?

544 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:43:18am

re: #533 Mike Lamb

Let’s assume for a second that Alexis was an Obama supporter. Wouldn’t that only be relevant if other Obama supporters were defending him? The fact is that liberals don’t care about the political leanings, we just want the mass shootings to stop.

Only one of the two parties is doing everything they can to ensure that nothing is done that might prevent future mass shootings (even if the measures are damn near toothless).

In my mind, it’s analogous to the “Democrats are the real racists, because CIVIL WAR!” Even if true, that doesn’t change the fact that right now, the GOP is the one promoting policies disproportionately impacting minorities.

You comment enters the GOP “fact free zone” and immediately dies due to the fact that synaptic activity is totally suppressed there. Similar effect to the “Null Field” in _The Forever War_ where practically nothing worked and anyone in an unshielded suit would instantly die.

545 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:43:24am

re: #532 Eclectic Cyborg

Finally got the page done:

Starbucks says “no guns in our stores please”, wingnuts seethe with rage

Sun rises, wingnuts seethe with rage.

Sun sets, wingnuts seethe with rage.

Tide comes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that. wingnuts seethe with rage.

Basket of kittens, wingnuts seethe with rage.

546 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:45:01am

re: #535 HappyWarrior

A number of comments I saw are making the usual “good guy with a gun”
argument. Meanwhile, I’m thinking: “When is the last time anybody shot up a coffee shop?”

547 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:46:05am

re: #546 Eclectic Cyborg

I ordered a TALL skinny, non-fat half caff mocha chai latte not a VENTI *boom*

548 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:47:44am

If you can ban guns in bars, why not coffee shops? Whose more dangerous, drunks, or speedfreaks?

549 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:49:40am

re: #547 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I ordered a TALL skinny, non-fat half caff mocha chai latte not a VENTI *boom*

When wife/daughters drag me there I always order “The most regular coffee you’ve got, medium.” Subversive, I am.

550 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:50:03am

re: #546 Eclectic Cyborg

A number of comments I saw are making the usual “good guy with a gun”
argument. Meanwhile, I’m thinking: “When is the last time anybody shot up a coffee shop?”

Right and honestly the fallacy I have with the good guy with a gun scenario is it acts like the would-be hero would be able to get off an accurate shot at the shooter. I remember reading that during the Gabrielle Giffords shooting in Tucson, there was a bystander who was armed who thought about using his weapon but realized it would only create more chaos. I’d say my biggest problem with that is that it could confuse the police to who the actual shooter is and could make an already bad situation worse. I mean, I get that their intentions seem to be good but this isn’t a video game where you get a retry if you accidentally hit someone.

551 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:50:13am

Now 6 dead, 30 injured from the trainwreck in Canada earlier today.

This happened right in my old neighborhood literally two minutes from the house I grew up in.

Apparently the bus driver (who is also one of the deceased) was at fault.

552 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:50:53am

re: #548 GeneJockey

If you can ban guns in bars, why not coffee shops? Whose more dangerous, drunks, or speedfreaks?

Drunks. Honestly guns should be banned from all bars. Alcohol and guns, not usually a good combination. It’s why when I went shooting, I made sure I was completely sober.

553 bbcrackmonkey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:53:14am

I know this is going to sound crazy but I don’t think we should complain so much about terrorists being in Syria when they’re the only people willing to fight on behalf of the Syrian people (well the Sunnis at least) against a tyrannical fascist government.

Also considering the reason they have such a strong presence in the first place is because the Syrian government was arming and training them for operations in Iraq to kill our soldiers for the past decade, so all the organization and infrastructure was set up with the Islamic State of Iraq already before the civil war broke out. The majority of Jihadis that have come to Syria in the past 2 years are there to fight against what they (legitimately) view as an evil repressive government that is oppressing honest Muslims, and are primarily motivated to remove Assad and his Alawite cohort from power, without really harboring any regional or global ambitions.

Any thoughts on this?

554 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:53:33am

re: #552 HappyWarrior

Drunks. Honestly guns should be banned from all bars. Alcohol and guns, not usually a good combination. It’s why when I went shooting, I made sure I was completely sober.

Yeah, forgot the ///.

The crazy thing is, no guns in bars should be obvious, yet IIRC ‘gun rights advocates’ have pushed for such bans to be prohibited. I guess the only way to stop one drunk with a gun is another drunk with a gun.

555 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:54:29am

re: #552 HappyWarrior

Drunks. Honestly guns should be banned from all bars. Alcohol and guns, not usually a good combination. It’s why when I went shooting, I made sure I was completely sober.

One reason I stopped deer hunting is that I had no way to ensure the other people in the woods *were* sober. Especially afternoon of the first day.

And even then I encountered my share of folk who were trigger happy when they were sober.

556 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:55:16am

re: #552 HappyWarrior

Drunks. Honestly guns should be banned from all bars. Alcohol and guns, not usually a good combination. It’s why when I went shooting, I made sure I was completely sober.

Kid tells me Mensa is in an internal crisis over gun policy for the few national gatherings they have each year—with comped bars. One of their shining stars pulled on someone to settle an argument recently. Did you know it’s hard to un-Mensa a Mensan?

557 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:55:47am

re: #550 HappyWarrior

Meanwhile, I’ve seen reports from the pro-gun side saying that an AR-15 was used, by law enforcement in taking down the shooter.

That’s, well, irrelevant.

Law enforcement should have access to weapons necessary to take down criminals as the situation demands. If an AR-15 provides them with the firepower necessary to take down a shooter, they should have that access.

The same can’t or shouldn’t be afforded to civilians who have no need for this kind of weapon.

As it is, criminals can and have gotten the drop on law enforcement and security in the past, taking their weapons and using them against others. Heck, the Sandy Hook shooter murdered his mother and took her stash of weapons and ammo to carry out the massacre there. The presence of the AR-15 and other weapons didn’t protect her. In fact, they were the proximate cause of the carnage across the Sandy Hook elementary school as it was the shooter’s weapon of choice.

That the Navy Yard shooter didn’t use an AR-15 despite some reports that indicated as much is a bit of a relief (the carnage and death toll would have been much higher). But it again highlights the need for better background checks, better security on base, and that the mentally ill have a far too easy access to firearms (both for self-injury and for harming others).

558 Kragar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:58:11am

Gohmert calls for more guns because obesity isn’t caused by ‘too many spoons’

In an interview on Tuesday, Newsmax’s John Bachman asked the Texas Republican if Congress should be talking about overhauling the mental health system in response to the Navy Yard tragedy.

“I absolutely do,” Gohmert agreed. “It obviously has an effect, and it’s interesting that these people seem to have a common tie with extremely violent video games.”

“But it is important to note that it is our own system that’s breaking down,” he added. “How in the world do you give a legitimate ID to a guy who got ousted out of the Navy for gunfire incidents? I mean, good night. How do you give this guy access to anything?”

The congressman said that he would be “all for everybody keeping their sidearms if they’re in the military and on a military installation. That’s something we need to get back to.”

“I see a lot of problems here and blaming this on guns is like saying the big problem with obesity is we’ve got too many spoons,” he opined. “It’s not the spoons, it’s not the guns. It’s the people who have them.”

1) Most soldiers aren’t issued side arms
2) They stopped the practice of going around armed on bases decades ago because of too many fire arms related incidents.

559 Lidane  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:00:01am

re: #552 HappyWarrior

Drunks. Honestly guns should be banned from all bars. Alcohol and guns, not usually a good combination. It’s why when I went shooting, I made sure I was completely sober.

Agreed. Guns in bars is just asking for problems.

560 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:00:08am

re: #557 lawhawk

Meanwhile, I’ve seen reports from the pro-gun side saying that an AR-15 was used, by law enforcement in taking down the shooter.

That’s, well, irrelevant.

HE DIDN’T USA AN AR-15, LIBTARDS!!!! ASSAULT WEAPONS BANS R STOOPID!!!

So you’re saying we should ban ALL guns, then? Well, alrighty.

561 Lidane  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:00:46am

re: #558 Kragar

Gohmert calls for more guns because obesity isn’t caused by ‘too many spoons’

Because the problem is that we have too few guns. WTF.

562 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:01:17am

re: #553 bbcrackmonkey

The jihadis are just as willing to bring death and destruction on those of the same ethnicity or religious affiliations (Sunni/Shi’ite) as those of their enemies.

The jihadis across the world and those terrorists who claim to be killing in the name of Allah have targeted their fellow Muslims to a far greater degree than any other country or regime - the US included. The overwhelming number of those killed are Muslims. Many are targeted because they are considered to be insufficiently religious and not following the dictates of the particular jihadis.

Now, Syria is the honeypot for jihadis and mercenary-type terrorists who will go where the fighting is.

There may be some rebel forces who are legitimate home-grown forces opposed to the regime. Some include Muslim Brotherhood-types who remember the last time they attempted to stand up to the Assads and the Alawites (Hama Rules). But those who are coming from elsewhere in the Middle East aren’t doing so out of altruism for the Syrian people. They’ve got their own agendas and intentions that are not charitable or aligned with those of the Syrian people. They see an opportunity to establish their own little fiefdoms and take advantage of the lawlessness.

563 Kragar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:01:37am

Creationist: Nye wrong about moonlight because Beethoven said so

Nye was famously booed while giving a 2006 talk in Waco, Texas, where he pointed out the moon merely reflected light from the sun ad did not produce its own.

He referred to the incident last week on “Real Time” with Bill Maher, arguing that religious belief was holding back U.S. scientific and economic progress.

“You have this situation in Texas where people want to have creationism in textbooks,” Nye said. “Unlike some other acquaintances of mine, I don’t have any big deal about somebody else’s religion, but if you claim that the earth is 10,000 years old, that’s just wrong.”

Comfort discussed Nye’s appearance on his daily web video program, “The Comfort Zone”, accusing the scientist of mocking biblical teachings.

“He mocks that, and yet you take out what moonlight is in the dictionary, and it says it’s the light of the moon,” Comfort said. “The moon has light, it reflects the sun, (and) “Moonlight Sonata,” just lots of beautiful songs, the moon does.”

564 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:01:41am

re: #555 Feline Fearless Leader

One reason I stopped deer hunting is that I had no way to ensure the other people in the woods *were* sober. Especially afternoon of the first day.

And even then I encountered my share of folk who were trigger happy when they were sober.

Da Yoopers!

Youtube Video

565 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:01:47am

re: #557 lawhawk

Meanwhile, I’ve seen reports from the pro-gun side saying that an AR-15 was used, by law enforcement in taking down the shooter.

That’s, well, irrelevant.

Law enforcement should have access to weapons necessary to take down criminals as the situation demands. If an AR-15 provides them with the firepower necessary to take down a shooter, they should have that access.

The same can’t or shouldn’t be afforded to civilians who have no need for this kind of weapon.

As it is, criminals can and have gotten the drop on law enforcement and security in the past, taking their weapons and using them against others. Heck, the Sandy Hook shooter murdered his mother and took her stash of weapons and ammo to carry out the massacre there. The presence of the AR-15 and other weapons didn’t protect her. In fact, they were the proximate cause of the carnage across the Sandy Hook elementary school as it was the shooter’s weapon of choice.

That the Navy Yard shooter didn’t use an AR-15 despite some reports that indicated as much is a bit of a relief (the carnage and death toll would have been much higher). But it again highlights the need for better background checks, better security on base, and that the mentally ill have a far too easy access to firearms (both for self-injury and for harming others).

Do they think it’s silly for the military to have more advanced firepower than the civilian population too. What a lot of gun advocates I think ignore about the 2nd amendment and the times it was written was that the overlap in firepower between military and civilian was very close. In fact, many of the muskets used by American revolutionaries were their own weapons. There just needs to be common sense here and I see none being offered from the gun lobby- just whining whenever a tragedy like what happened on Monday because they think “That is it, this is when they take our guns” and then they get more guns to further prepare for the next “gun takeover.”

566 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:02:29am

re: #558 Kragar

Gohmert calls for more guns because obesity isn’t caused by ‘too many spoons’

1) Most soldiers aren’t issued side arms
2) They stopped the practice of going around armed on bases decades ago because of too many fire arms related incidents.

At least half a century ago. Our M14s were kept locked in racks in the barracks. A good eye was kept on ammo at the range.

567 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:03:58am

re: #563 Kragar

Creationist: Nye wrong about moonlight because Beethoven said so

Dark Side of the Moon proves that tides don’t happen.//

568 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:04:30am

re: #333 Vicious Babushka

5 (Recent) Worst Mass

to whom it may concern:

your poster in regard to tragic mass murders bears an image of a person looking extremely happy

i will assume that this is an error. please take care of it

569 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:04:37am

re: #558 Kragar

The DoD issued regulations in 1992 that became effective in 1993 that ended the practice of regular firearms on base except for designated personnel (eg security).

570 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:06:15am

re: #554 GeneJockey

Yeah, forgot the ///.

The crazy thing is, no guns in bars should be obvious, yet IIRC ‘gun rights advocates’ have pushed for such bans to be prohibited. I guess the only way to stop one drunk with a gun is another drunk with a gun.

It should be one of the most obvious places to be okay with a prohibition. I mean shit some bars will take away your keys if they think you’ve had too much. Why on earth would it be okay to have a machine specifically designed for killing on you at such a place. Stores that aren’t serving alcohol, I can maybe see the argument but guns do not belong at bars. All it takes is one trigger happy drunk idiot and several people could end up dead.

571 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:06:20am

re: #567 HappyWarrior

Dark Side of the Moon proves that tides don’t happen.//

There is no dark side of the moon, really. Matter of fact, it’s all dark.

572 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:06:59am
573 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:08:12am

Also glossed over by the derpalanche is the fact that the shooter at the Navy Yard apparently was a responder at Ground Zero. He apparently suffered from PTSD.

His mother issued a statement earlier:

Image: mom-note.jpg

574 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:08:25am

re: #570 HappyWarrior

It should be one of the most obvious places to be okay with a prohibition. I mean shit some bars will take away your keys if they think you’ve had too much. Why on earth would it be okay to have a machine specifically designed for killing on you at such a place. Stores that aren’t serving alcohol, I can maybe see the argument but guns do not belong at bars. All it takes is one trigger happy drunk idiot and several people could end up dead.

The thinking goes, “I’m not the problem, because I’d never do anything like that. But if somebody else does, I need to be armed!”

Or maybe they fear a bunch of Ni-CLANGs with guns coming into the bar, wondering ‘Where de white women at?”

575 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:09:15am

re: #563 Kragar

“He mocks that, and yet you take out what moonlight is in the dictionary, and it says it’s the light of the moon,” Comfort said. “The moon has light, it reflects the sun, (and) “Moonlight Sonata,” just lots of beautiful songs, the moon does.”

You can’t explain that!

576 Lidane  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:09:38am

re: #567 HappyWarrior

Dark Side of the Moon proves that tides don’t happen.//

Only if you sync it with The Wizard of Oz.

////

577 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:09:57am

re: #535 HappyWarrior

Why the hell do you need a gun when you’re getting your morning coffee anyhow or when you’re in Starbucks cramming for tests. There’s a place for guns and if Starbucks, a private company wants to tell people they can’t bring guns in their stores, that is their right.

Because in most municipalities, I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to just whip out your schlong and wave it around.

578 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:09:57am

re: #571 GeneJockey

There is no dark side of the moon, really. Matter of fact, it’s all dark.

Image: dark-side-of-the-thats-no-moon-13093.jpg

579 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:10:33am

re: #566 Decatur Deb

At least half a century ago. Our M14s were kept locked in racks in the barracks. A good eye was kept on ammo at the range.

When I was in BCT and even on reserve duty our weapons were locked up and only issued to us when we were going out on maneuvers/to the range/field march or for drill. We never just carried them around.

580 b.d.  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:10:37am
Edward Snowden ‘living incognito in Russia’
Whistleblower’s lawyer says he has security protection but can travel freely and plays down prospect of US bid to capture him

Link

Yes, he is fine. Quit asking about him. No, you can’t see him. He’s fine, send money. (link fixed)

581 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:11:19am

re: #577 Dr Lizardo

Because in most municipalities, I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to just whip out your schlong and wave it around.

Well, to be fair, it’s also probably illegal to whip out your gun and wave it around, too.

582 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:12:27am

re: #581 GeneJockey

Youtube Video

583 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:12:45am

re: #574 GeneJockey

The thinking goes, “I’m not the problem, because I’d never do anything like that. But if somebody else does, I need to be armed!”

Or maybe they fear a bunch of Ni-CLANGs with guns coming into the bar, wondering ‘Where de white women at?”

Yeah, there seems to be a lot of naivete on that issue. They have this idea where a person skilled with a gun is going to come in and save the day. And as I said, I see that for some of them, there is good intentions behind it but you know what they always say about the road to hell and good intentions. It’s just stupid. I don’t care how many times you’ve shot a gun, if you aren’t someone who is say trained in military or law enforcement, you’re not going to respond to that situation without making a bad situation worse especially if you’re at a bar.

584 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:13:09am

re: #580 b.d.

[moonbat]Fight for Fr3edom, retweet to oppose NSA assault!1[/moonbat]

585 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:13:20am

re: #581 GeneJockey

Well, to be fair, it’s also probably illegal to whip out your gun and wave it around, too.

True.

I’ve never really understood the whole ‘open carry’ thing. Do they think they’re impressing people? Scaring away *ni-CLANG’s* or something? I mean, what’s the point?

586 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:14:06am

re: #585 Dr Lizardo

True.

I’ve never really understood the whole ‘open carry’ thing. Do they think they’re impressing people? Scaring away *ni-CLANG’s* or something? I mean, what’s the point?

Cowboy mentality.

587 Lidane  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:14:18am

Gun Rights Advocates Are the World’s Biggest Assholes

Last night, Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz published a letter on the company’s website politely requesting that people stop bringing guns to Starbucks. Why is this even necessary? Because, in case you haven’t been following, gun rights activists have become borderline Westboro Baptist-level assholes.

It seems that, due to its reputation as a corporation with a liberal C-suite, the purveyors of Pumpkin Spice have become targets of conservative protests. To paraphrase Gawker’s late great Jeb Lund, it’s a way for jerks to feel important by sitting; the ideological opposite of Chik-fil-A. And because conservative activists are terribly uncreative dickbags who prioritize unregulated gun-waving over public safety, their preferred form of Starbucks protest has been to hang out in their local branch with their guns.

588 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:14:21am

re: #585 Dr Lizardo

True.

I’ve never really understood the whole ‘open carry’ thing. Do they think they’re impressing people? Scaring away *ni-CLANG’s* or something? I mean, what’s the point?

Never can tell when the Clanton gang is going to ride into town.

589 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:14:29am

re: #559 Lidane

Agreed. Guns in bars is just asking for problems.

if i can carry guns in a bar, why can’t i serve drinks on a shooting range???

friggn mommy state

590 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:15:02am

re: #583 HappyWarrior

Yeah, there seems to be a lot of naivete on that issue. They have this idea where a person skilled with a gun is going to come in and save the day. And as I said, I see that for some of them, there is good intentions behind it but you know what they always say about the road to hell and good intentions. It’s just stupid. I don’t care how many times you’ve shot a gun, if you aren’t someone who is say trained in military or law enforcement, you’re not going to respond to that situation without making a bad situation worse especially if you’re at a bar.

Unfortunately, among gun nuts, Dunning-Kruger reigns supreme. They’re all convinced that good guys just shoot straighter. Probably because the bad guys hold their guns sideways.

591 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:16:02am

re: #588 Decatur Deb

Never can tell when the Clanton gang is going to ride into town.

WAtch out for Mongo.

592 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:16:39am

re: #587 Lidane

Gun Rights Advocates Are the World’s Biggest Assholes

SOmehow I doubt Chik-Fil-A allows guns in their restaurants either but they hate fags so it’s okay.//

593 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:17:10am

re: #585 Dr Lizardo

Except when it’s the other folks who are carrying the weapons. That’s when it becomes acceptable to disarm ‘em.

594 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:17:36am

re: #588 Decatur Deb

Never can tell when the Clanton gang is going to ride into town.

So, Wyatt Earp, hero of the gun nuts (They love them some ‘Tombstone’, but then, who doesn’t), did his most famous killing enforcing a gun ban.

Too much irony in my diet.

595 Mattand  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:19:53am

re: #558 Kragar

Gohmert calls for more guns because obesity isn’t caused by ‘too many spoons’

1) Most soldiers aren’t issued side arms
2) They stopped the practice of going around armed on bases decades ago because of too many fire arms related incidents.

When my brain combined “Newsmax” with “GOHMERT!”, it refused to let me read any further.

596 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:20:28am

re: #593 lawhawk

Except when it’s the other folks who are carrying the weapons. That’s when it becomes acceptable to disarm ‘em.

I can only imagine the freakout if a bunch of guys who looked like this:

Image: 2440850342.gif

showed up with AR15s, Beretta’s etc.

597 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:22:18am

re: #594 GeneJockey

So, Wyatt Earp, hero of the gun nuts (They love them some ‘Tombstone’, but then, who doesn’t), did his most famous killing enforcing a gun ban.

Too much irony in my diet.

Earp was also an officer of the law. As I said, I think a lot of them ignore how wide the overlap between civilian and military/police weaponry has grown not just since the writing of the 2nd amendment but over the last century even. Does anyone in their right mind think that a civilian should be able to purchase a bazooka for use or a howitzer. As I said, there’s a lot of common sense lacking here and it comes from the NRA and like minded groups spreading paranoia to gun-owners whenever something like what happened on Monday happens. The NRA has been pulling this “They’re out to get your guns” for as long as I can remember and yet gun ownership keeps on increasing more and more.

598 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:24:25am

re: #596 Dr Lizardo

I can only imagine the freakout if a bunch of guys who looked like this:

Image: 2440850342.gif

showed up with AR15s, Beretta’s etc.

iveknownrivers.org

599 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:24:37am

re: #597 HappyWarrior

Earp was also an officer of the law. As I said, I think a lot of them ignore how wide the overlap between civilian and military/police weaponry has grown not just since the writing of the 2nd amendment but over the last century even. Does anyone in their right mind think that a civilian should be able to purchase a bazooka for use or a howitzer. As I said, there’s a lot of common sense lacking here and it comes from the NRA and like minded groups spreading paranoia to gun-owners whenever something like what happened on Monday happens. The NRA has been pulling this “They’re out to get your guns” for as long as I can remember and yet gun ownership keeps on increasing more and more.

“They” need that military firepower so they will be able to protect themselves when Obama orders the military to fire on citizens.

I sincerely wish I was joking about that explanation…

600 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:25:45am

re: #599 Backwoods_Sleuth

“They” need that military firepower so they will be able to protect themselves when Obama orders the military to fire on citizens.

I sincerely wish I was joking about that explanation…

There are blogs devoted almost entirely to that explanation. Threepers, for the most part.

601 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:25:59am

re: #599 Backwoods_Sleuth

“They” need that military firepower so they will be able to protect themselves when Obama orders the military to fire on citizens.

I sincerely wish I was joking about that explanation…

I know, it’s “necessary” to prevent Obama from starting a second Holocaust because we all know the Holocaust happened because every Jewish man, woman, and child wasn’t allowed to possess a MP40.

602 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:27:03am

re: #596 Dr Lizardo

I can only imagine the freakout if a bunch of guys who looked like this:

Image: 2440850342.gif

showed up with AR15s, Beretta’s etc.

What do you mean, they get gun rights too. They just want special rights.//

603 Mattand  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:27:59am

re: #596 Dr Lizardo

I can only imagine the freakout if a bunch of guys who looked like this:

Image: 2440850342.gif

showed up with AR15s, Beretta’s etc.

Yeah, one thing that needs to pointed out, particularly in light of the Starbucks guns and other armed protests, is how polar bear white most of these dickwads are.

They and their supporters would be singing a different fucking tune if even one armed non-Caucasian showed up at their stupid fucking Starbucks rallies.

604 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:28:01am

re: #600 Decatur Deb

There are blogs devoted almost entirely to that explanation. Threepers, for the most part.

yep. They dream of “Red Dawn” meets “Brave New World”.
And in their fevered minds, they’re all Bruce Willis and Stallone and The Rock…

605 ObserverArt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:28:05am

I hereby propose a new law be written and passed that states any person making a firm outrageous prediction that we are at some kind of doomsday end times or the like banned from ever taking to any form of media in the future if the prediction passes without occurring. Also, they should forever be banned from any form of public life where anyone will ever hear them speak or communicate in any form. All outrageous claims must have a clearly stated “by this date” associated so the claims can be monitored.

After about one year we should all be free from hearing from a lot of gasbags with an internet connection, a Fox News show, talk radio, politicians spewing stupid stuff (Gohmert/Cruz/King special amendment for dangerous government yapping), preachers, etc,

Think we could get it passed?

606 jaunte  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:29:07am
607 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:29:31am

re: #605 ObserverArt

I hereby propose a new law be written and passed that states any person making a firm outrageous prediction that we are at some kind of doomsday end times or the like banned from ever taking to any form of media in the future if the prediction passes without occurring. Also, they should forever be banned from any form of public life where anyone will ever hear them speak or communicate in any form. All outrageous claims must have a clearly stated “by this date” associated so the claims can be monitored.

After about one year we should all be free from hearing from a lot of gasbags with an internet connection, a Fox News show, talk radio, politicians spewing stupid stuff (Gohmert/Cruz/King special amendment for dangerous government yapping), preachers, etc,

Think we could get it passed?

not with that current clown posse in DC.

608 jaunte  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:29:32am

Worst Socialist President Ever.

609 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:29:43am

re: #603 Mattand

Yeah, one thing that needs to pointed out, particularly in light of the Starbucks guns and other armed protests, is how polar bear white most of these dickwads are.

They and their supporters would be singing a different fucking tune if even one armed non-Caucasian showed up at their stupid fucking Starbucks rallies.

Remember the freakout over the black guys wearing berets and trench-coats in Philly. THEY”RE INTIMIDATING VOTERS. Yeah and some asshat with a visible gun while I’m ordering my daily cup isn’t?

610 justaminute  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:30:07am

Starbucks has a new policy about ‘no guns’ and the wingnuts are having a cow.

Not a problem, we have that policy at our restaurant too. The gun owners complained, all two of them. The rest of the customers actually said that they were happy with that decision, since they bring in their family as well.

No matter what, if a business is full of customers packing guns, the safest place will be is to not go in that business.

In Oklahoma since ‘Open Carry’ was passed, the hottest selling sign at sign stores is ‘no weapons allowed.’

611 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:30:24am

re: #597 HappyWarrior

Earp was also an officer of the law. As I said, I think a lot of them ignore how wide the overlap between civilian and military/police weaponry has grown not just since the writing of the 2nd amendment but over the last century even. Does anyone in their right mind think that a civilian should be able to purchase a bazooka for use or a howitzer.

Two words: Red Dawn.

Seriously, that’s what they imagine. That, and the armed forces and Law Enforcement all being composed of Oathkeepers who will rise up against whatever tyranny they imagine will be imposed.

As I said, there’s a lot of common sense lacking here and it comes from the NRA and like minded groups spreading paranoia to gun-owners whenever something like what happened on Monday happens. The NRA has been pulling this “They’re out to get your guns” for as long as I can remember and yet gun ownership keeps on increasing more and more.

Apparently, gun ownership in the sense of percentage of the population owning guns has fallen, while the number of guns per gun owner has risen sharply.

I think a lot of folks used to be like my Dad. He had 2 rifles, a .22 and a .30-06, and 2 shotguns - single shot and a side-by-side. Then folks decided they needed handguns. Then they decided they needed handguns with big-ass clips. Then they needed AR-15s and AK47s and SKSs and shit like that. Then then needed MORE of each of the above, because crime’s so rampant, despite the fact that all violent crime has dropped precipitously since the early 1990s.

612 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:31:07am

Good commentary on the Starbucks issue from a gunsmith/shooting instructor:
grantcunningham.com

This happened because our side doesn’t take the “responsible” part of “responsible gun ownership” very seriously. As a community we don’t police our own very well, and we don’t consider the consequences of our/their actions. The rabid open carriers who organized the ill-considered Starbucks Appreciation Days weren’t being responsible by forcing a conflict on an innocent (and surprisingly tolerant, given what they’ve had to endure) third party; neither were the open carriers who participated in them, nor the rest of us who didn’t step up and remind the others what responsibility actually means.

613 Single-handed sailor  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:31:26am

re: #606 jaunte

Don’t worry, Republicans have a fix for that in the works. Two weeks until they crash the economy again.

614 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:31:37am

re: #609 HappyWarrior

Remember the freakout over the black guys wearing berets and trench-coats in Philly. THEY”RE INTIMIDATING VOTERS. Yeah and some asshat with a visible gun while I’m ordering my daily cup isn’t?

The black guys in the leather jackets had…are you ready…a billy club as a “weapon.” No guns, no knives, nothing but a single wooden billy club. But you’d have thought they’d shown up carrying a light machine gun with bandoliers of grenades hanging off their shoulders.

615 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:32:07am

re: #610 justaminute

Starbucks has a new policy about ‘no guns’ and the wingnuts are having a cow.

Not a problem, we have that policy at our restaurant too. The gun owners complained, all two of them. The rest of the customers actually said that they were happy with that decision, since they bring in their family as well.

No matter what, if a business is full of customers packing guns, the safest place will be is to not go in that business.

In Oklahoma since ‘Open Carry’ was passed, the hottest selling sign at sign stores is ‘no weapons allowed.’

Even in Texas, a bar can declare itself gun-free. The one at the Adolphus hotel uses a large bronze plaque at each door.

616 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:32:24am
617 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:32:32am

re: #609 HappyWarrior

Remember the freakout over the black guys wearing berets and trench-coats in Philly. THEY”RE INTIMIDATING VOTERS. Yeah and some asshat with a visible gun while I’m ordering my daily cup isn’t?

Yeah, but they were BLACK guys.
//

618 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:33:29am

re: #611 GeneJockey

Two words: Red Dawn.

Seriously, that’s what they imagine. That, and the armed forces and Law Enforcement all being composed of Oathkeepers who will rise up against whatever tyranny they imagine will be imposed.

Apparently, gun ownership in the sense of percentage of the population owning guns has fallen, while the number of guns per gun owner has risen sharply.

I think a lot of folks used to be like my Dad. He had 2 rifles, a .22 and a .30-06, and 2 shotguns - single shot and a side-by-side. Then folks decided they needed handguns. Then they decided they needed handguns with big-ass clips. Then they needed AR-15s and AK47s and SKSs and shit like that. Then then needed MORE of each of the above, because crime’s so rampant, despite the fact that all violent crime has dropped precipitously since the early 1990s.

Your Dad sounds like how my maternal grandfather was. Had some guns but he didn’t exactly go overboard with it and he kept them all in a cabinet very hard to access by anyone. And that does make sense that while individual gun ownership may be decreasing, the actual number of firearms owned as a whole has gone up. Honestly, I don’t feel like I’ll ever have the need to own a gun. I don’t begrudge the individual who chooses he needs one to protect him and his family the individual who decides he needs an armory to protect himself from “the government” is someone I am going to view as a paranoid.

619 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:33:41am

re: #603 Mattand

Yeah, one thing that needs to pointed out, particularly in light of the Starbucks guns and other armed protests, is how polar bear white most of these dickwads are.

They and their supporters would be singing a different fucking tune if even one armed non-Caucasian showed up at their stupid fucking Starbucks rallies.

Yep. The freakout would be epic.

620 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:34:02am

re: #585 Dr Lizardo

True.

I’ve never really understood the whole ‘open carry’ thing. Do they think they’re impressing people? Scaring away *ni-CLANG’s* or something? I mean, what’s the point?

Hell, if I was a violent criminal I would want an open carry law. That way right before I pulled off my crime I would know up front the first motherfuckers that I would need to gun down.

621 Kragar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:34:03am

Robertson: San Antonio Will Put Christians In Jail Over Anti-Discrimination Policy

No, it won’t, but I’m starting to think it might be a good idea if it teaches dumbasses like Robertson a lesson.

622 ObserverArt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:34:29am

re: #535 HappyWarrior

Why the hell do you need a gun when you’re getting your morning coffee anyhow or when you’re in Starbucks cramming for tests. There’s a place for guns and if Starbucks, a private company wants to tell people they can’t bring guns in their stores, that is their right.

To fight off all the other gun owners when one decides to go from a lawful gun owner to a spree shooter.

623 Mattand  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:35:22am

re: #609 HappyWarrior

Remember the freakout over the black guys wearing berets and trench-coats in Philly. THEY”RE INTIMIDATING VOTERS. Yeah and some asshat with a visible gun while I’m ordering my daily cup isn’t?

That whole Black Panther non-story literally took place about 12 miles from where I’m sitting. The only people who flipped out about it was the rest of the country, with the local exception being the racists who infest the Inquirer’s comments section.

624 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:35:22am

re: #621 Kragar

Robertson: San Antonio Will Put Christians In Jail Over Anti-Discrimination Policy

No, it won’t, but I’m starting to think it might be a good idea if it teaches dumbasses like Robertson a lesson.

Another thing they’ve been singing for years as long as I’ve paid attention to politics and it hasn’t happened yet. Next.

625 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:36:07am

re: #623 Mattand

That whole Black Panther non-story literally took place about 12 miles from where I’m sitting. The only people who flipped out about it was the rest of the country, with the local exception being the racists who infest the Inquirer’s comments section.

I imagined it was a windy day that election day. Hat and a nice jacket does the trick.

626 Kragar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:37:11am

re: #624 HappyWarrior

Another thing they’ve been singing for years as long as I’ve paid attention to politics and it hasn’t happened yet. Next.

First they came for the Right Wing Evangelical Dominionists, and I was surprisingly okay with it.
/

627 piratedan  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:37:19am

re: #616 lawhawk

yeah, a thread ongoing over at Balloon Juice regarding said same….

balloon-juice.com

and people wonder why so many Americans are misinformed it’s because of people like Todd who believe that they’re nothing more than stenographers with cameras who owe little responsibility to the truth or accurately reporting on the issues.

628 ObserverArt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:37:54am

re: #612 William Barnett-Lewis

Good commentary on the Starbucks issue from a gunsmith/shooting instructor:
grantcunningham.com

That guy is going to get a further lesson regarding gun owners isn’t he?

I hope he as an industrial bio hazard suit. They do eat their own.

629 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:39:00am

re: #601 HappyWarrior

I know, it’s “necessary” to prevent Obama from starting a second Holocaust because we all know the Holocaust happened because every Jewish man, woman, and child wasn’t allowed to possess a MP40.

Gun nuts have actually co-opted the Holocaust in this disgusting way.

They are so fucking ignorant, they don’t even know that most of the Holocaust victims were not even German, they were residents of other nations that were invaded and occupied by the Nazis.

630 Kragar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:39:37am

Michigan AG: State’s Gay Marriage Ban Necessary To ‘Regulate Sexual Relationships’

Michigan’s Republican attorney general argued in a brief filed last week that the state’s same-sex marriage ban is intended to help “regulate sexual relationships” in an effort to promote procreation, MLive.com reported,

Ah yes, because we all know that if gay marriage is legalized in a region, all straight people suddenly stop fucking.

631 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:40:12am

Gohmert calls for more guns because obesity isn’t caused by ‘too many spoons’

clearly, the only cure for overweight people with spoons is more skinny people with spoons

632 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:40:48am

re: #629 Vicious Babushka

Gun nuts have actually co-opted the Holocaust in this disgusting way.

They are so fucking ignorant, they don’t even know that most of the Holocaust victims were not even German, they were residents of other nations that were invaded and occupied by the Nazis.

Yeah but that’s a fact. Never let facts get in the way of a good old Holocaust co-opt.

633 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:41:23am

re: #630 Kragar

Michigan AG: State’s Gay Marriage Ban Necessary To ‘Regulate Sexual Relationships’

Ah yes, because we all know that if gay marriage is legalized in a region, all straight people suddenly stop fucking.

So is the AG going to limit marriages between the elderly and otherwise infertile straight couples? This isn’t the state’s business assclown.

634 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:42:27am

re: #626 Kragar

First they came for the Right Wing Evangelical Dominionists, and I was surprisingly okay with it.
/

Ha, well Robertson confuses free speech with “No, your religious beliefs shouldn’t dictate our secular law.” He’s a clerical fascist. Would have fit in great in the Dark Ages but I think they would be too progressive for him.

635 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:42:46am

re: #631 dog philosopher

Gohmert calls for more guns because obesity isn’t caused by ‘too many spoons’

clearly, the only cure for overweight people with spoons is more skinny people with spoons

All I can tell you is that I’m overweight, and we have way more spoons than my Mom and Dad did, back when I was a skinny kid.

636 Kragar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:42:50am

re: #633 HappyWarrior

So is the AG going to limit marriages between the elderly and otherwise infertile straight couples? This isn’t the state’s business assclown.

Will a state inspector be expected to observe the couple on their honeymoon to ensure both parties are capable of the reproductive act?

637 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:44:29am

re: #630 Kragar

Michigan AG: State’s Gay Marriage Ban Necessary To ‘Regulate Sexual Relationships’

So, we need to regulate sexual relationships because Freedom?

At least he’s being honest about the reason.

638 ObserverArt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:44:46am

re: #616 lawhawk

[ Wil Wheaton ✔ @wilw

Chuck Todd admits that he isn’t a journalist. This is very, very important: is.gd

FCT!

I’m getting real sick of him and David Gregory. And I used to love NBC. Don’t watch Nightly News anymore, Local NBC has turned into local social entertainment, thinking of forever giving up Meet The Press, have grown tired of some of the naivety that comes from some of the younger MSNBCers.

What the hell happened?

Oh, that’s right. Fox. It’s all about ratings…truth be damned. Sigh.

639 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:45:01am

re: #601 HappyWarrior

I know, it’s “necessary” to prevent Obama from starting a second Holocaust because we all know the Holocaust happened because every Jewish man, woman, and child wasn’t allowed to possess a MP40.

i can only imagine what might have happened if a jewish family enjoying dinner broke out the guns when a contingent of nazi policemen arrived suddenly to take them all off to the concentration camp

640 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:46:05am

re: #634 HappyWarrior

Let’s face it - you can’t Torquemada anything!

Will you convert? No. No. No. No.
Will you confess? No. No. No. No.

Send in the nuns!

641 ObserverArt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:46:34am

re: #626 Kragar

First they came for the Right Wing Evangelical Dominionists, and I was surprisingly okay with it.
/

I signed up to help load the train.

///

642 Kragar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:46:49am

re: #639 dog philosopher

i can only imagine what might have happened if a jewish family enjoying dinner broke out the guns when a contingent of nazi policemen arrived suddenly to take them all off to the concentration camp

A slew of news reels showing how dangerous the Jews really were, and getting more of the public behind the efforts to round them up?

643 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:47:30am

re: #637 GeneJockey

So, we need to regulate sexual relationships because Freedom?

At least he’s being honest about the reason.

He should be Ken Cuccinneli’s running mate. Because the country needs more Republicans in office who care about who you’re fucking. Fuck it, they’re not getting better. They’re getting worse. Republicans used to have people like Barry Goldwater who said the only thing that mattered was whether someone could shoot straight in the military. Now they have guys like this and my nutter AG who openly want to limit sexual activity.

644 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:47:35am

re: #616 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

What’s the point of journalism, if not to inform the public, to play the neutral fact-finder? IOW, what’s the fucking point of even HAVING a free press if the press don’t do their fucking JOBS?!?

645 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:48:23am

re: #642 Kragar

A slew of news reels showing how dangerous the Jews really were, and getting more of the public behind the efforts to round them up?

Juden thugs threaten our brave German military.

646 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:48:34am

re: #637 GeneJockey

So, we need to regulate sexual relationships because Freedom?

At least he’s being honest about the reason.

So what does he propose, pray tell?

A subdepartment in the state Department of Health called the Agency To Insure Proper Fucking? Or what?

What a revolting POS. Gah, that I were Governor somewhere; I’d publicly blast this fool and when his like-minded ilk started whining, I’d publicly tell them to “GTFO out of this state, because you’re not welcome here. Go find another place to live.”

647 Kragar  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:50:03am

re: #641 ObserverArt

I signed up to help load the train.

///

“Leave the Bronx! You are ordered to leave the Bronx! Beautiful new housing awaits you in New Mexico!”

648 piratedan  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:50:05am

re: #644 GeneJockey

What’s the point of journalism, if not to inform the public, to play the neutral fact-finder? IOW, what’s the fucking point of even HAVING a free press if the press don’t do their fucking JOBS?!?

incompetence is one thing, willfully abdicating your professional reason for being is unforgivable.

649 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:50:36am

re: #646 Dr Lizardo

So what does he propose, pray tell?

A subdepartment in the state Department of Health called the Agency To Insure Proper Fucking? Or what?

What a revolting POS. Gah, that I were Governor somewhere; I’d publicly blast this fool and when his like-minded ilk started whining, I’d publicly tell them to “GTFO out of this state, because you’re not welcome here. Go find another place to live.”

I remember a kid in the neighborhood no doubt echoing his nutjob paretns’ view on the subject who said if eh had his way, he’d ban gay sex. So my brother and I asked him how he proposed enforcing that. Would they have a special branch of the police dedicated to making sure people don’t have sex with members of the same sex? It really amuses me because these clowns think they’re anti-big government but they’re as big government as it gets when it comes to their morals. It’s not good enough for them to have these beliefs, they have to force their idea of morality on the rest of us.

650 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:50:38am

re: #645 HappyWarrior

Juden thugs threaten our brave German military.

“all we wanted to do was to isolate the anti-socials in re-education camps where they would be introduced to physical labor and otherwise improve themselves”

651 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:51:18am

Chasing ratings is what the media is all about.

After the clowns at CNN totally botched the coverage surrounding the Boston bombing, their takeaway was not to fix their coverage, but to double down with absolutely baseless commentary and flinging whatever thoughts popped into their heads at any given moment to fill dead-air because the ratings went up.

Ratings go up around any breaking news event, regardless of how good the coverage is. CNN thinks its coverage was sufficient, so they do more of the same crap.

Heck, even Reddit knew enough to lay off the suppositions and baseless crap with the Navy Yard shooting. CNN? Nope, they were in the thick of it with Fox and NBC and the rest in a race to the bottom.

And people wonder why The Daily Show is getting the ratings it is (see my earlier posting above about Stewart’s takedown of the awful CNN coverage and the purposeful strategy to make it even worse - because it chases ratings!).

652 ObserverArt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:51:29am

re: #647 Kragar

“Leave the Bronx! You are ordered to leave the Bronx! Beautiful new housing awaits you in New Mexico!”

Don’t forget to mention the free gas hookups!

/// Too much?

653 Mattand  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:52:20am

re: #612 William Barnett-Lewis

Good commentary on the Starbucks issue from a gunsmith/shooting instructor:
grantcunningham.com

For the most part, it’s a well written editorial. The “Bloomberg and Pelosi are just as bad” MBF-ing was a bit irritating. However, Mr. Cunningham is no different than the so-called “moderate” Republican bemoaning how the Tea Baggers have infested the GOP. I don’t think he gets how the “Red Dawn” mentality has overtaken the gun culture.

I was tempted to leave a comment along the lines of “If you really feel the need to be armed while visiting a coffee shop, you’ve got bigger problems than a caffeine addiction.” However, I don’t need anyone tracking me down via my Discus ID and threatening me.

654 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:53:54am

re: #637 GeneJockey

Less Government, get the government off our backs, etc. //

655 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:54:20am

re: #653 Mattand

…snip However, I don’t need anyone tracking me down via my Discus ID and threatening me.

And that’s one of the ways the gun display works.

656 jaunte  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:54:37am

re: #613 Single-handed sailor

Don’t worry, Republicans have a fix for that in the works. Two weeks until they crash the economy again.

“…It is not in the best interest of the U.S. business community or the American people to risk even a brief government shutdown that might trigger disruptive consequences or raise new policy uncertainties washing over the U.S. economy.

Likewise, the U.S. Chamber respectfully urges the House of Representatives to raise the debt ceiling in a timely manner and thus eliminate any question of threat to the full faith and credit of the United States government.”

657 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:55:27am

re: #656 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Note to the CoC. Maybe you shouldn’t have gotten these guys elected.

658 MPH  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:56:26am

Charles Johnson knows damn well how dangerous the Russians are…how badly mismanaged this diplomacy has been…and how bad this deal is for America and its allies. He’s testing the waters with this poll, to see if it is safe to tell us what he really thinks. Too bad, because the water appears to be frozen.

659 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:56:46am

re: #657 HappyWarrior

Note to the CoC. Maybe you shouldn’t have gotten these guys elected.

The CoC - as well as some segments of the GOP leadership - is starting to worry that they’ve helped create a Frankenstein’s Creature they can no longer control.

660 Lidane  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:57:07am

re: #630 Kragar

Michigan AG: State’s Gay Marriage Ban Necessary To ‘Regulate Sexual Relationships’

Because it’s the state’s job to decide which consenting adults can fuck and which ones can’t.

661 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:57:12am

re: #657 HappyWarrior

Note to the CoC. Maybe you shouldn’t have gotten these guys elected.

“Dow is at an all-time high. Let’s see how hard we can crash it, y’know, just as an experiment.”

662 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:57:49am

re: #659 Dr Lizardo

The CoC - as well as some segments of the GOP leadership - is starting to worry that they’ve helped create a Frankenstein’s Creature they can no longer control.

We didn’t think they were serious! But yeah I hope they’re happy with the mess they’ve created. The Tea Party and their kind have me mildly nostalgic for Delay and Hasert. That’s pretty bad.

663 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:58:12am

re: #661 Decatur Deb

“Dow is at an all-time high. Let’s see how hard we can crash it, y’know, just as an experiment.”

Hey yall watch this government shut down!

664 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:58:47am

re: #635 GeneJockey

All I can tell you is that I’m overweight, and we have way more spoons than my Mom and Dad did, back when I was a skinny kid.

In my house, we refer to the extra spoons as “collectibles”.

heh…

665 sagehen  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:59:36am

re: #315 A Man for all Seasons

My brother Dog..It turns out we apparently are the only 2 Broncos fans off Campus. She is way out of my league..Smoking hot and smarter than hell who loves football. The perfect woman..Haha..I’m guessing she probably dates a male model in the City with cut abs and low cut jeans with that come hither look on a Billboard in Times Square.
last sentence/ awkward

My guess is the only guys she meets in NYC either want to use her as decoration to enhance their reputations, or they want to use her to advance their own careers. A woman in her position in this city has to be very very careful of men’s ulterior motives. (and no, I don’t mean the teenage warnings we all got about “boys only want one thing from you,” cause that’s not actually the thing they want).

You’re probably the only guy she’s met in ages who all he wants from her is the pleasure of her company. As long as you don’t push too hard make yourself look stalkery, you have better odds than you think.

666 klys  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 11:59:42am

re: #658 MPH

…right…

667 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:00:03pm

re: #636 Kragar

Will a state inspector be expected to observe the couple on their honeymoon to ensure both parties are capable of the reproductive act?

Bring back the proof of the bloody sheet!
(and shhh…don’t forget to hide the chicken carcass…)

668 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:00:09pm

re: #662 HappyWarrior

We didn’t think they were serious! But yeah I hope they’re happy with the mess they’ve created. The Tea Party and their kind have me mildly nostalgic for Delay and Hasert. That’s pretty bad.

I’m not privy to such things, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that there are some smoky, back-room discussions going on within the GOP leadership on how to safely purge these Tea Party assclowns from the GOP while minimizing the damage from doing so.

669 ObserverArt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:01:53pm

re: #665 sagehen

My guess is the only guys she meets in NYC either want to use her as decoration to enhance their reputations, or they want to use her to advance their own careers. A woman in her position in this city has to be very very careful of men’s ulterior motives. (and no, I don’t mean the teenage warnings we all got about “boys only want one thing from you,” cause that’s not actually the thing they want).

You’re probably the only guy she’s met in ages who all he wants from her is the pleasure of her company. As long as you don’t push too hard make yourself look stalkery, you have better odds than you think.

And all I gotta do is act naturally!

(Hat tip to Ringo Star/Beatles and Buck Owens and writers Russell & Morrison!)

670 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:02:10pm

re: #639 dog philosopher

i can only imagine what might have happened if a jewish family enjoying dinner broke out the guns when a contingent of nazi policemen arrived suddenly to take them all off to the concentration camp

To be fair, you get Warsaw. They died anyway, but they left a message.

671 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:04:22pm

re: #668 Dr Lizardo

I’m not privy to such things, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that there are some smoky, back-room discussions going on within the GOP leadership on how to safely purge these Tea Party assclowns from the GOP while minimizing the damage from doing so.

I wouldn’t be surprised. You know, it’s got to worry the establishment that Rand Paul is the presidential front-runner.

672 ObserverArt  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:06:23pm

re: #668 Dr Lizardo

I’m not privy to such things, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that there are some smoky, back-room discussions going on within the GOP leadership on how to safely purge these Tea Party assclowns from the GOP while minimizing the damage from doing so.

Anyone have any ideas as to how they could do that without the whole party suffering nuclear meltdown? It seems that it is such a problem that the reasonable Republicans* have their hands tied. There might be huge political upside for the first one to stand up and really go after the TeaParty, but sadly, no one seems to think it is worth any risk whatsoever. McCain could do it, but he even seems to toy with them to keep ‘em around.

*didn’t have enough time to try to figure out who might even be reasonable, since reason would dictate you gotta get them out of the party.

673 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:09:23pm

re: #671 HappyWarrior

re: #672 ObserverArt

Throw the 2014 mid-term elections. That creates a pretext for the GOP leadership to say to the TP’ers, “Look at what you asshats did! You cost us the House and the Senate! GTFO!!”

674 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:15:45pm

re: #553 bbcrackmonkey

re: #658 MPH

Two long lost Lizards from 2004. TARDIS break down?

675 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:21:47pm

re: #660 Lidane

Because it’s the state’s job to decide which consenting adults can fuck and which ones can’t.

Kinder, Küche, Kirche

676 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 12:29:43pm

re: #673 Dr Lizardo

Throw the 2014 mid-term elections. That creates a pretext for the GOP leadership to say to the TP’ers, “Look at what you asshats did! You cost us the House and the Senate! GTFO!!”

Given all the primaries from the right, perhaps that’s what they’re doing? //

More seriously, no. They aren’t going to get rid of them, they aren’t doing back-room deals to get rid of them, for one simple reason:

In a lot of ways they agree with them. I believe it goes: ‘I agree with what he’s saying, I don’t agree with the way he’s saying it.’ Obama shouldn’t be president, taxes should be reduced, etc. Eliminating the Great Deal has been a goal for the Party of Corporations since the Great Deal was passed.

677 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 1:12:52pm

re: #674 Vicious Babushka

Two long lost Lizards from 2004. TARDIS break down?

full moon rising…

678 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 1:25:33pm

re: #125 GeneJockey

EXACTLY. What in hell makes it any of their damned business?

But one thing I’ve noticed is that often they seem to be obsessed with the mechanics of gay sex - “Do you know what they do to each other?!?”

“No, not any given couple at any given time, any more than I know what YOU do with your WIFE. or YOU know what I do with MINE. IT’S NONE OF MY DAMNED BUSINESS!!!”

Just tell them you’re not interested in in their sexual fantasies.

679 Flavia  Wed, Sep 18, 2013 10:43:30pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

Oh, BTW, she paid me back the other day. I had a nicely roasted chicken breast on my plate and left it on my desk while I ran to to the kitchen to get something to drink. Guess who was chowing down on it when I got back? “You don’t wanna share you water with us? Okay, suit yourself…”

Only time a cat ever got chicken off me was when I had a kitten on my lap while eating. She stuck her head between me & the table, & while we were all exclaiming over how cute she was, she sunk her fangs into the thigh & made a break for it. Darned thing was bigger than her head!! I was…frugal? Fair? I cut out the piece she had bitten, gave it to her, but took back the rest of the chicken.

680 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 19, 2013 3:40:46am

re: #679 Flavia

Only time a cat ever got chicken off me was when I had a kitten on my lap while eating. She stuck her head between me & the table, & while we were all exclaiming over how cute she was, she sunk her fangs into the thigh & made a break for it. Darned thing was bigger than her head!! I was…frugal? Fair? I cut out the piece she had bitten, gave it to her, but took back the rest of the chicken.

LOL! I think it was fair—sounds like she earned that prized piece of chicken for sheer chutzpah if nothing else.


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