Friday Jam: The Reign of Kindo - Don’t Haze Me (Live Sessions 2013)

Don’t haze me, bro
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It’s Friday afternoon and time for some bee-yootiful music from the audio collective known as The Reign of Kindo, live in the studio, with a video that’s one amazing continuous shot.

Help The Reign Of Kindo go on TOUR!!! Visit: http://igg.me/at/TROKUSTOUR/x/3004643

Upcoming US Dates w/ Scale The Summit & Jolly:

11/2/13 Houston, TX @ Fitzgerald’s
11/3/13 Austin, TX @ Red 7
11/5/13 Scottsdale, AZ @ Pubrock
11/6/13 Los Angeles, CA @ The Whisky A Go Go
11/7/13 San Francisco, CA @ Thee Parkside
11/8/13 Portland, OR @ Ash St. Saloon
11/9/13 Seattle, WA @ Highline
11/11/13 Salt Lake City, UT @ Shred Shed
11/12/13 Denver, CO @ Marquis Theatre
11/13/13 Merriam, KS @ Aftershock
11/14/13 Newport, KY @ Southgate House
11/15/13 Cleveland, OH @ Now That’s Class
11/16/13 Toronto, ON @ Annex Wreck Room
11/17/13 Montreal, QC @ Il Motore
11/18/13 Danbury, CT @ Heirloom Arts Center
11/19/13 Boston, MA @ Great Scott
11/20/13 New York, NY @ Santos Party House
11/21/13 West Chester, PA @ The Note
11/22/13 Norfolk, VA @ The Iguana
11/23/13 Knoxville, TN @ The Bowery
11/24/13 Nashville, TN @ The End

CD “Play with Fire” available at http://www.candyrat.com

Video Credits:

Joey Secchiaroli - Vocals %2B Guitar
Danny Pizarro - Piano
Steven Padin - Drum Kit %2B Backing Vocals
Jeffrey Jarvis - Bass Guitar
Mike Carroll - Percussion

Strings composed by Richie English

Strings:
Brian Sanders - Cello
Hannah Levinson - Viola
Carolin Pook - Violin
Frederika Krier - Violin

Geraldo Castillo - Percussion
John Baab - Guitar

Vocalists:
The Doyle Bros.
Stephanie Weatherly
Kate Mills

Performances mixed by Joseph Secchiaroli

Director / Editor: Jon Hoeg
Producer: Ant Gentile
Steadicam Op: Brandon Sumner

Camera Operators:
Derek Sexton Horani
Nicole Januarie
Montana Leonard
Jason Lee
Lenny Emery

Production Assistants:

Chris Gentile
Charles Choice

Don’t Haze Me Lyrics

I’ve lost my mind
And come to my senses,
Come to my senses
Escaped the haze that clouded my vision, clouded my vision
My thoughts were steering me off course,
Off course
But I can see clearly once again,
Once again
My fears are melting
Like water from the ice
As the fire from the sun
Burns bright, burns bright
I feel its warmth upon my skin,
Upon my skin
All my doubts, all my worry, all my hope
They don’t haze me anymore
They’ve been burned up by the sun’s violent fire
My desires, all my will, all my want
They don’t haze me anymore
They’ve been burned up by the sun, by the sun
All my thirst, my ambition, and my mind
They don’t haze me anymore
They’ve been swallowed by the sun,
They don’t haze me anymore
Nothing is left here in my path
I’m free, I’m free, I’m free

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318 comments
1 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 4:35:49pm

Well I guess I’ll go ahead and get it out of the way:

Don’t Haze Me, Bro!

2 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 4:40:40pm

These guys just keep getting better. Very cool use of strings and vocal section in this. That’s a pretty big band.

3 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 4:41:59pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

These guys just keep getting better. Very cool use of strings and vocal section in this. That’s a pretty big band.

And I see they’re playing Santos Party House in NYC. Gonna be a tight fit - that’s not a very big venue!

Excellent band, to be sure.

4 freetoken  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 4:43:07pm

Speaking of music, in my adventures across the internet I’m coming across many pools of Christmas music.

You are getting ready for Christmas, aren’t you?

5 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 4:43:59pm

I just noticed this, after watching the video.

Youtube Video

Just don’t know…I mean, how old are these tykes? Do they even understand what they’re doing?

I guess I’m not pushing my 3 yr old g-gson very hard…

6 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 4:50:31pm

re: #4 freetoken

Speaking of music, in my adventures across the internet I’m coming across many pools of Christmas music.

You are getting ready for Christmas, aren’t you?

Nope.

NopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNopeNope.

7 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 4:50:59pm

re: #4 freetoken

Speaking of music, in my adventures across the internet I’m coming across many pools of Christmas music.

You are getting ready for Christmas, aren’t you?

altho i shudder everytime someone assumes that any baroque era music is “christmas music”, i couldn’t resist promoting my favorite album the past two years, a viol consort recording of english consort music of the 17th century

amazon.com

8 Lidane  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 4:51:00pm

Red 7 here in Austin promises an intimate show. If they’re inside, it’s a 350 capacity show. Outside, it’s 500.

If this video is anything to go by, it’ll be a good show either way.

10 Bubblehead II  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 4:55:14pm

re: #4 freetoken

Speaking of music, in my adventures across the internet I’m coming across many pools of Christmas music.

You are getting ready for Christmas, aren’t you?

More or less. Plan on hanging the “icicle” lights we bought last year during a clearance sale this weekend (Weds/Thurs) while the weather is still warm. Also plan on testing out the Halloween decorations as well to make sure they still work. Still debating wether to order a new X-10 controller or to go cheap and get one of the “clock” type timers to turn them on and off.

11 Stanley Sea  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 4:55:29pm

Welp, first problem with IOS7 - Words with Friends orientation fucked up. Tilt horizontal it goes vertical and vice versa.

PITA

12 Kragar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 4:57:58pm

So, about that last bastion of freedom and leading the free world thing…

U.S. singer Selena Gomez cancels Russian concerts

Foreign artists can no longer receive visas by invitation from the Culture Ministry under the aegis of cultural links if they come to Russia to conduct commercial activity, according to state-run news agency RIA.

It said the procedures were changed following complaints from Vitaly Milonov, a St. Petersburg legislator who criticized Madonna and Lady Gaga and has campaigned against gay rights.

13 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 4:58:31pm

Mr. Krugman takes his gloves off:

nytimes.com

14 freetoken  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:00:17pm

Ever more power and control to the latest right wing hero:

Vote Seals the Fate of the Russian Academy of Sciences

Russia’s lower house of parliament, the State Duma, approved controversial reforms to the Russian Academy of Sciences (RAS) on 18 September. More than 330 members of the Duma voted in favor of the law, with only 107 against, in a move critics say will deprive the 289-year-old body of its independence and halt attempts to revitalize Russia’s struggling science system.

If, as is widely expected, the parliament’s upper house and Russian President Vladimir Putin approve the law, the 436 institutes and 45,000 research staff of Russia’s primary basic-research organization will be managed by a newly established federal agency that reports directly to Putin. The agency will manage the academy’s 60-billion-ruble (US$1.9-billion) budget and extensive property portfolio, which includes lucrative sites in Moscow and St Petersburg, and will also have a say in the appointment of institute directors.

Outside the Duma building during the vote, a group of outraged scientists protested the unpopular changes, which were first proposed in June without prior consultation of the RAS leadership.

[…]

15 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:00:27pm

I have mixed feelings on iOS7 so far.

16 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:01:02pm

re: #14 freetoken

Damn. No wonder the wingnuts love that guy!

17 Kragar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:01:32pm

re: #14 freetoken

Ever more power and control to the latest right wing hero:

Vote Seals the Fate of the Russian Academy of Sciences

Why do you need science when you have Putin?
/

18 freetoken  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:03:23pm

Put this one down in the not-really-a-revelation category:

Stronger sexual impulses may explain why men cheat more than women, study reveals

19 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:03:32pm

re: #17 Kragar

Why do you need science when you have Putin?
/

You study zoology?

Putin catch animal for you while riding horseback, shirtless. He tell you what animal was doing.

Research completed.

20 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:06:24pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Mr. Krugman takes his gloves off:

nytimes.com

“Can we say “hoist with their own petard”?”

Si, se puede.

21 thedopefishlives  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:07:39pm

re: #18 freetoken

Put this one down in the not-really-a-revelation category:

Stronger sexual impulses may explain why men cheat more than women, study reveals

Women like sex. Men like sex right now.

22 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:08:00pm

re: #18 freetoken

Put this one down in the not-really-a-revelation category:

Stronger sexual impulses may explain why men cheat more than women, study reveals

Oh, please. There’s a difference between strong sexual impulses and lack of control of one’s behavior.

23 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:10:26pm

re: #21 thedopefishlives

Women like sex. Men like sex right now.

Impulse sex has less downside for men, biologically and especially culturally.

Cultural stigma regarding expression of sexual desire is also really gendered.

24 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:11:00pm

re: #18 freetoken

I’ve seen the study, the study is good, this conclusion is problematic. Men may have stronger sexual impulses because they’ve been societally conditions to be that way. Interestingly, a lot of testosterone in males is caused by aggression (not, primarily, the other way around) and women who act more assertive get more testosterone (not, like, a massive amount, which is good ‘cuz it’s bad for you).

25 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:13:55pm

re: #23 The Ghost of a Flea

Impulse sex has less downside for men, biologically and especially culturally.

Cultural stigma regarding expression of sexual desire is also really gendered.

Impulse sex has a downside if the male is a good caretaker; the child resulting from impulse sex would be unlikely to be raised by that male, and so wouldn’t benefit from the caretaking. it makes more evolutionary sense for that male to be monogamous or very-limitedly-gamous.

There is not one strategy for reproduction, there is not one kind of ‘male’, feedback loops pervade the physical body especially where hormones are concerned, and explanations of behavior through biological determinism is still basically impossible.

26 freetoken  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:14:39pm

Earlier today Glenn Beck’s TheBlaze admitted that basically Beck’s followers are hard core creationists (which explains a whole lot):

EVOLUTION VS. CREATIONISM: DID GOD CREATE HUMANS IN OUR CURRENT FORM?

[…]

A much more specific and pointed question asked respondents if man evolved “with no involvement from a higher power.” There was a clear consensus among the 4,008 Blaze readers who responded. While six percent answered affirmatively, an overwhelming 94 percent of the readers who took the poll rejected this notion.


This is particularly interesting due to the fact that the Pew Research Center estimates that about six percent of the nation considers itself secular and unaffiliated with a faith — a prime group that would embrace the idea that mankind evolved without God’s hand guiding the process. Of course, the Blaze poll on this subject was not a scientific one, but the proportional similarities are still worth noting.

Moving on, TheBlaze asked another potentially loaded question: “Did God create mankind in its current form?” This, too, yielded very strong results. While 90 percent answered that the Lord did, indeed, create mankind in its current form, 10 percent rejected this notion (overall, 3,970 people answered the question). The wording doesn’t get to the heart of some of the deeper questions concerning the micro changes, but it does hint at the wide-spread embrace of a purposeful creation of human beings.

[…]

27 Kragar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:15:45pm

re: #26 freetoken

Earlier today Glenn Beck’s TheBlaze admitted that basically Beck’s followers are hard core creationists (which explains a whole lot):

EVOLUTION VS. CREATIONISM: DID GOD CREATE HUMANS IN OUR CURRENT FORM?

Cthulhu is my co-pilot.

28 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:16:58pm

re: #27 Kragar

Cthulhu is my co-pilot.

Image: CthulhuChickTract.gif

29 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:17:59pm

re: #26 freetoken

Earlier today Glenn Beck’s TheBlaze admitted that basically Beck’s followers are hard core creationists (which explains a whole lot):

EVOLUTION VS. CREATIONISM: DID GOD CREATE HUMANS IN OUR CURRENT FORM?

Basically, it’s because they believe that they were created “in God’s image”.

And “God” couldn’t be anything but a modern human, doncha know.

ETA: Preferably a white male.

30 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:20:09pm

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

Basically, it’s because they believe that they were created “in God’s image”.

And “God” couldn’t be anything but a modern human, doncha know.

God is an ambulatory stromatolite.

31 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:26:44pm

re: #30 b_sharp

God is an ambulatory stromatolite.

i thought he was a featherless biped

32 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:27:16pm

re: #31 dog philosopher

i thought he was a featherless biped

He knows how to fake it.

33 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:27:49pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Mr. Krugman takes his gloves off:

nytimes.com

rove, krauthammer

why are they pleading w the rank and file to stop being crazy and stupid now?

why not 30 years ago?

34 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:30:48pm

re: #33 dog philosopher

rove, krauthammer

why are they pleading w the rank and file to stop being crazy and stupid now?

why not 30 years ago?

Because no one could have *imagined* it would come to this!

35 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:30:54pm

re: #33 dog philosopher

rove, krauthammer

why are they pleading w the rank and file to stop being crazy and stupid now?

why not 30 years ago?

30 years ago, it wasn’t out of control; it wasn’t threatening the very existence of the GOP.

Now it is.

36 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:31:02pm

re: #33 dog philosopher

rove, krauthammer

why are they pleading w the rank and file to stop being crazy and stupid now?

why not 30 years ago?

Everybody always imagines they can put a leash on crazy. Domesticate it, only ride it to town on Sundays and holidays.

…and it consistently doesn’t work.

37 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:33:06pm

re: #36 The Ghost of a Flea

Everybody always imagines they can put a leash on crazy. Domesticate it, only ride it to town on Sundays and holidays.

…and it consistently doesn’t work.

Yee haw!

38 jaunte  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:33:12pm

re: #36 The Ghost of a Flea

We’ll just gerrymander the crazy into some safe districts, and then we’ll always be in control.

39 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:38:48pm
40 Lidane  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:40:23pm

re: #38 jaunte

We’ll just gerrymander the crazy into some safe districts, and then we’ll always be in control.

See also: Texas.

41 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:42:05pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Wouldn’t it actually be kind of appropriate for the cavemen to be in charge of bedrock? Or is it a neanderthal town, and that would be apartheid?

42 Kragar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:43:34pm

The Tea party is less Neanderthal and more Piltdown Man.

43 jaunte  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:43:59pm
44 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:45:33pm

re: #41 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Wouldn’t it actually be kind of appropriate for the cavemen to be in charge of bedrock? Or is it a neanderthal town, and that would be apartheid?

Shhh.

They won’t know this.

45 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:48:42pm

neanderthal

og object to being compared to morons!!


and now for a little rock music:

BAM BAM
BAM BAM BAM
BAM BAM
BAM BAM BAM

46 psddluva4evah  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:48:58pm

Wow. This is why it is important for us to teach our kids our history and encourage them to read even outside of school work. How the hell do you ban “Invisible Man” by Ralph Ellison from the freakin’ library!!!!

courier-tribune.com

47 Kragar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:55:53pm

For tonight’s viewing, YOU ARE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE BRONX!!!

Youtube Video

48 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:56:04pm

re: #41 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Wouldn’t it actually be kind of appropriate for the cavemen to be in charge of bedrock? Or is it a neanderthal town, and that would be apartheid?

It’s one of those metaphors that makes more sense the less closely you look at it. If you kinda squint and make it all blurry.

49 Kragar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 5:57:26pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

It’s one of those metaphors that makes more sense the less closely you look at it. If you kinda squint and make it all blurry.

You’ve been studying Michelle Bachman’s book on metaphors, haven’t you?
///

50 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:00:02pm
51 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:01:49pm

Metaphors dissected and analyzed and found wanting, in real time.

52 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:04:39pm

Anti-intellectualism plus elitism. A dogma of repeated stories about all the types of people who aren’t Real Americans, and all the people who don’t deserve representation because they’re in some way cheating. Reagan’s “steaks and Cadillacs” spiel is a little syndoche of Tea Party thinking.

Like watching a pustule form.

53 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:09:27pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Metaphors dissected and analyzed and found wanting, in real time.

next we’ll do the deconstructionist critique

54 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:09:28pm
55 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:11:28pm

Is your honey really honey? Or is that honey bear full of fructose syrup?

The Honey Launderers: Uncovering the Largest Food Fraud in U.S. History

businessweek.com

Support your local food sources.

56 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:11:50pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

They have, sadly, been making inroads in Canada too. Conservatives there have dismantled a great deal of environmental protections and are now targeting Health care, but that’s a battle I do not think they can win.

Canadians adore their health care, good luck trying to take it away from them.

57 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:13:39pm

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

They have, sadly, been making inroads in Canada too. Conservatives there have dismantled a great deal of environmental protections and are now targeting Health care, but that’s a battle I do not think they can win.

Canadians adore their health care, good luck trying to take it away from them.

And the buggers (Cons) do most of it under the radar.

58 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:14:22pm

re: #52 The Ghost of a Flea

Anti-intellectualism plus elitism. A dogma of repeated stories about all the types of people who aren’t Real Americans, and all the people who don’t deserve representation because they’re in some way cheating. Reagan’s “steaks and Cadillacs” spiel is a little syndoche of Tea Party thinking.

Like watching a pustule form.

By now the Dark Carbuncle of Tea Party Doom has swollen and will soon come to a head, covering the face of America with ill humors. If we are to survive, the boil must be soundly lanced before the GOP begins its own loathsome squeeze play.

59 Bubblehead II  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:16:27pm

re: #52 The Ghost of a Flea

Anti-intellectualism plus elitism. A dogma of repeated stories about all the types of people who aren’t Real Americans, and all the people who don’t deserve representation because they’re in some way cheating. Reagan’s “steaks and Cadillacs” spiel is a little syndoche of Tea Party thinking.

Like watching a pustule form.

Sane people lance and then medicate them when they notice them developing to prevent them from growing and spreading the infection.

Insane (TPGOP) people, encourage them to grow until it’s to late and the body dies. Yeah GOP I am looking at you and the pustules called the religious right.

60 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:18:03pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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I imagine history books will look back on the ‘10 election as a fluke, one of those perfect political storms where low voter turn-out, emo-prog drum beating, and billions of dollars in astroturf put into Congress legislators whose entire purpose for seeking office was to destroy the government from within. They sure as fuck weren’t sent there to govern.

61 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:19:17pm

re: #60 Targetpractice

I imagine history books will look back on the ‘10 election as a fluke, one of those perfect political storms where low voter turn-out, emo-prog drum beating, and billions of dollars in astroturf put into Congress legislators whose entire purpose for seeking office was to destroy the government from within. They sure as fuck weren’t sent there to govern.

We’ll see. It will take a bit of a miracle for the GOP to lose control of the house, even if they serve up a worst case scenario in the next few weeks.

62 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:20:55pm

re: #46 psddluva4evah

Wow. This is why it is important for us to teach our kids our history and encourage them to read even outside of school work. How the hell do you ban “Invisible Man” by Ralph Ellison from the freakin’ library!!!!

courier-tribune.com

Because this book is incompatible with RW dogma and magical thinking on race in the US.

Yes, they really are that shallow and stupid.

63 jaunte  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:20:59pm

Wingnut Truckers Will ‘Shut Down America’ In Order To Save It From Corruption, Obama’s ‘Fuel Policy’ (?)

My fellow patriot this effort is to support the truckers in a major shut down of America ion [sic] a 3 day strike October 11th thru 13th. Obamacare will be in effect and most people will be ready to take action. No commerce on those days stock up on items that you will need. No banking no shopping no money transactions.

It does not matter if a million or 50 roll through DC in this effort. Congress will listen to We the People. Which is remove Obama from office for crimes of treason and misdemeanors. We want Congressional hearing on Benghazi and Seal Team 6. Louis Learner [sic] put in jail. No amnesty, remove all Muslims in our government that do not uphold the Constitution. Remove Eric Holder from office for crimes against the people and the Constitution. Last but not least is Fuel prices.

Another francis letter?

64 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:21:46pm

re: #61 EPR-radar

We’ll see. It will take a bit of a miracle for the GOP to lose control of the house, even if they serve up a worst case scenario in the next few weeks.

They’ve stacked the deck well enough that we’ll likely be waiting til the 2020 census to have any chance to tip the balance back to something resembling a level playing field in the House. But at the rate the TPers are going, they’re in no danger of taking the Senate or the White House.

65 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:23:41pm

re: #63 jaunte

Is this what happens when the brainless attempt this thing called “thinking”?

66 jaunte  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:24:58pm

re: #65 EPR-radar

Which is not used to thoughts writing down.

67 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:25:58pm

re: #65 EPR-radar

Is this what happens when the brainless attempt this thing called “thinking”?

Wy Knot?

68 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:27:44pm

re: #63 jaunte

Wingnut Truckers Will ‘Shut Down America’ In Order To Save It From Corruption, Obama’s ‘Fuel Policy’ (?)

Another francis letter?

that general strike tactic has always worked so well for the wobblies…

69 Lidane  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:27:55pm

I often wonder how the GOP keeps justifying tilting at the Obamacare windmill. Then I see FB posts by my dipshit wingnut cousin blaimg Harry Reid for Obamacare still being funded and I understand.

70 Stanley Sea  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:29:34pm

Someone say Boehner?

71 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:33:28pm

re: #63 jaunte

Wingnut Truckers Will ‘Shut Down America’ In Order To Save It From Corruption, Obama’s ‘Fuel Policy’ (?)

Facepalm is not enough. Headdesk is not enough. Even a combination of the two is insufficient.

What do these million truckers do when they’re heading to DC during the boycott and the fuel gauge falls closer to ‘E’?

72 jaunte  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:33:54pm
73 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:34:53pm

Boehner’s gonna be sweating bourbon by Oct 1st. Best case scenario for him at this point is that the Senate sends the bills back, shorn of the defund/delay BS, and he can get enough votes lined up on both sides to pass the damned things before the deadline. But as we’ve learned so far, “best case scenario” is not a phrase one usually associated with Boehner’s speakership. So, more likely, the Senate will either bounce the bills back and the House GOP will summarily kill them. Or the Senate GOP will kill the bills and leave the House GOP again on the hook for passing new bills in time to meet the deadline.

I predict the next two weeks are gonna see the man spending a lot of time on his knees, engaged in begging, praying, and other means of persuasion.

74 jaunte  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:40:10pm

re: #52 The Ghost of a Flea

Anti-intellectualism plus elitism. A dogma of repeated stories about all the types of people who aren’t Real Americans, and all the people who don’t deserve representation because they’re in some way cheating. Reagan’s “steaks and Cadillacs” spiel is a little syndoche of Tea Party thinking.

Like watching a pustule form.

75 Kragar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:43:24pm

GOP Rep. Quotes Bible On Food Stamps: ‘If Anyone Is Not Willing To Work, Let Him Not Eat’

AKA: Fuck Veterans and the disabled

76 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:45:09pm

re: #75 Kragar

GOP Rep. Quotes Bible On Food Stamps: ‘If Anyone Is Not Willing To Work, Let Him Not Eat’

AKA: Fuck Veterans and the disabled

Man missed his calling as a villain in a Dickens novel.

77 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:47:48pm

re: #75 Kragar

GOP Rep. Quotes Bible On Food Stamps: ‘If Anyone Is Not Willing To Work, Let Him Not Eat’

AKA: Fuck Veterans and the disabled

If Anyone Can Find Me These Supposed People Who Aren’t Willing To Work, Let Then Let Him Shut Up And Do It And Leave The Other 99.999% Alone Thank You Very Much

78 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:48:14pm

K,,,, golf round done (several hours ago,, followed bu dinner an drinks). With all the water hazards,, i only pluncked TWO into the water. TWO. This on a course thats’s built around marshland.

79 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:48:31pm

OH,, and I had to hit over an alligator sunning itself next to a pond on an approach shot

80 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:51:24pm

re: #77 dog philosopher

If Anyone Can Find Me These Supposed People Who Aren’t Willing To Work, Let Then Let Him Shut Up And Do It And Leave The Other 99.999% Alone Thank You Very Much

People on welfare who don’t want to work do exist, my grandson’s father is like that, but the vast majority of people who go on welfare are only on it a relatively short time. I’ve been on welfare, as was my wife before I met her, and my daughter. All three of us were only using the service until we could regain our footing.

81 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:54:55pm

There’s a very strong hint of schadenfreude to the way Ted Cruz is getting beat like a red-headed stepchild by his own party. Guy spends all summer campaigning on “fighting” the ACA, building up all this hope for a magnificent fight in the Senate…and then spills the beans that the Senate probably has the votes to pull that shit out of the bill anyhow.

82 Political Atheist  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:55:15pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

Welp, first problem with IOS7 - Words with Friends orientation fucked up. Tilt horizontal it goes vertical and vice versa.

PITA

Apple OS problem? Unpossible!
Hey looks like a gray weekend for our SoCal coast huh? Might make for a B&W beach photo session.

83 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:56:48pm

OT, I found a fine smack down of creationists here sphericalbullshit.wordpress.com

An appetizer:

No, this is something fucking different, far fucking worse. What you stand not only accused of, but proven guilty of, shits and pisses all over the innocence of simple ignorance and goes into the dark territory of deceit and fucking lies. This is wilful ignorance. This is prideful ignorance. You take your fucking ignorance and wave it around at every opportunity to say “hey, look at me, I’m so fucking stupid” and expect people to give you some kind of shit-hot respect for it.

Do I want to blame you for it? When your elders, and priests, and preachers, and the unqualified crank pseudo-scientific quasi-philosophers they get to back them up, have all conspired to brainwash you into thinking this is a good thing? Yes, I fucking do. You have made a choice to stay ignorant, and be happy with it. You’re a fucking idiot, and you damn well know it. You’re probably a right-wing homophobic little shit as well, so probably think being gay is a choice. So here’s one for you; being a fucking fruit-loop imbecile is a choice, a choice you made when you decided that thinking was too much fucking effort and just let some cockend from Answers in Genesis do it for you.

84 Kragar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:57:53pm

“You got a college degree and 10 years of experience in your field? Walmart is hiring!”

The GOP’s job plan

85 jaunte  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:57:57pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

“old Spider got tangled in the black web that he spun”
guitaretab.com

86 Lidane  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:59:27pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

I predict the next two weeks are gonna see the man spending a lot of time on his knees, engaged in begging, praying, and other means of persuasion.

If any of Sir John of Orange’s spray tan is left after this is all over, I’ll be amazed. He’s going to sweat it all off by the time it’s all over. Of course, he’ll probably be too drunk to notice.

87 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 6:59:47pm

re: #84 Kragar

“You got a college degree and 10 years of experience in your field? Walmart is hiring!”

The GOP’s job plan

And what does he/she hear after taking that job? “Oh, you’re working here? Why not go out and get a real job? What, you too stupid to do real work?”

88 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:01:12pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

There’s a very strong hint of schadenfreude to the way Ted Cruz is getting beat like a red-headed stepchild by his own party.

Is it just me, or does anyone else notice an eerie (and ironic) resemblance between these two?

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89 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:01:40pm

re: #86 Lidane

If any of Sir John of Orange’s spray tan is left after this is all over, I’ll be amazed. He’s going to sweat it all off by the time it’s all over. Of course, he’ll probably be too drunk to notice.

It’s pretty obvious by this point that he thinks he can rely upon the same song and dance from the last two showdowns, namely that he’ll throw a bill to the Senate, spend the next few days pounding the pulpit for them to hurry up and pass the bill unaltered, with the assumption that Obama or a bipartisan “gang of (insert number)” will step in and negotiate a last-minute deal that saves his ass and pleases the TPers.

90 Kragar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:03:31pm

Expecting to get paid what you’re worth is communism.
/

91 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:04:41pm

re: #90 Kragar

Expecting to get paid what you’re worth is communism.
/

Except if you’re a Republican Congressman, in which case you think that working 1/3 of the year is worth way more than $172K a year.

92 Lidane  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:04:52pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

It’s pretty obvious by this point that he thinks he can rely upon the same song and dance from the last two showdowns, namely that he’ll throw a bill to the Senate, spend the next few days pounding the pulpit for them to hurry up and pass the bill unaltered, with the assumption that Obama or a bipartisan “gang of (insert number)” will step in and negotiate a last-minute deal that saves his ass and pleases the TPers.

Except this time, POTUS has made it clear he’s not going to negotiate so Boehner is fucked.

93 Kragar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:05:14pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

Except if you’re a Republican Congressman, in which case you think that working 1/3 of the year is worth way more than $172K a year.

Jesus says he’s a special little snowflake.

94 Stanley Sea  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:06:35pm

re: #82 Political Atheist

Apple OS problem? Unpossible!
Hey looks like a gray weekend for our SoCal coast huh? Might make for a B&W beach photo session.

I am looking forward to it! No mas fuego!

95 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:07:07pm

re: #92 Lidane

Except this time, POTUS has made it clear he’s not going to negotiate so Boehner is fucked.

He’s not going to negotiate and McConnell’s too chickenshit to lead when he’s got a TPer breathing down his neck back home. Not to mention that there’s no more wiggle room here, Oct 1st is the deadline, after which the exchanges open up and people actually can start taking advantage of the ACA and all it has to offer. The TPers have decided that this is it, if they don’t stop it now then they’ll not have another chance before public opinion shifts against them.

96 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:07:40pm

So…don’t work, don’t eat. Catchy.

…except that many folks on SNAP are employed but not making enough money, and don’t get to control their work hours anymore (because all God’s children are now part-time so they don’t get benefits), so really it’s just “don’t eat, even though you’re working.”

Also—Zero chance that Bible quote this catchphrase derives from was out of context, or part of a parable or something.

97 jaunte  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:08:41pm

Federal Budget Choices Must Protect Poor, Vulnerable People, Says U.S. Bishops’ Conference

“A central moral measure of any budget proposal is how it affects “the least of these” (Matthew 25). The needs of those who are hungry and homeless, without work or in poverty should come first.”

98 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:15:58pm

re: #4 freetoken

Speaking of music, in my adventures across the internet I’m coming across many pools of Christmas music.

You are getting ready for Christmas, aren’t you?

DON’T YOU DARE!! No Christmas music till after Halloween!

99 calochortus  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:29:56pm

re: #63 jaunte

Wingnut Truckers Will ‘Shut Down America’ In Order To Save It From Corruption, Obama’s ‘Fuel Policy’ (?)

Another francis letter?

There was a day earlier this month when people patriots were supposed to refrain from all commerce and internet use to show their power. I can’t remember when because, obviously, nothing happened.

100 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:30:48pm

Why does nobody ever call me for ding time?

I have an effective dinger too you know.

101 calochortus  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:31:52pm

re: #96 The Ghost of a Flea

So…don’t work, don’t eat. Catchy.

…except that many folks on SNAP are employed but not making enough money, and don’t get to control their work hours anymore (because all God’s children are now part-time so they don’t get benefits), so really it’s just “don’t eat, even though you’re working.”

Also—Zero chance that Bible quote this catchphrase derives from was out of context, or part of a parable or something.

I believe some folks in the early Christian church thought the end of the world was so close that there was no longer a need to work and they could just give away all their possessions. Obviously someone in authority considered it possible that end wasn’t quite that near.

102 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:36:36pm

re: #63 jaunte

Wingnut Truckers Will ‘Shut Down America’ In Order To Save It From Corruption, Obama’s ‘Fuel Policy’ (?)

Another francis letter?

Truck drivers are subjected to a lot of right wing radio on the job.

103 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:49:45pm

re: #102 Amory Blaine

Truck drivers are subjected to a lot of right wing radio on the job.

Poor bubble people.

104 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:53:05pm

Man, I don’t know what to think about my local Congresscritter at the moment. Man voted yesterday to cut billions from food stamps, but today was the lone Republican vote against the Continuing Resolution. Worse, I’m got the sinking suspicion that his vote against was due to wanting more money cut from the budget.

105 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:54:51pm

Nevermind, went ahead and cleared that up. Rigell voted against because he doesn’t want a shutdown. He thinks the alternative bill, to delay for a year, is a “better” choice.

Yegods.

106 Lidane  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:57:54pm

re: #97 jaunte

Federal Budget Choices Must Protect Poor, Vulnerable People, Says U.S. Bishops’ Conference

Only a communist would tell people to care about those who are poor or hungry.

/2013 GOP

107 jaunte  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:59:35pm

re: #106 Lidane

108 Kragar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:02:41pm

re: #107 jaunte

109 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:03:27pm

re: #102 Amory Blaine

Truck drivers are subjected to a lot of right wing radio on the job.

By choice, though, so I don’t have a lot of sympathy. But then again, like my father I consider all talk radio to be dysfunctional.

110 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:03:49pm

re: #108 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Fischer: “Dude, I thought we were bros!!”

111 jaunte  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:03:49pm

Bryan Fischer with the ‘No True Pope’ argument.

112 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:04:25pm

re: #108 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Dishonesty, thy name is Fischer.

113 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:04:29pm

Time to bugger off.

114 Kragar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:05:26pm

Pope to Fischer: “SPLITTER!”

115 Lidane  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:07:00pm

re: #108 Kragar

Note that the Pope never said that abortion, birth control, and gays were up for debate. He just said that the emphasis of those issues over the social justice doctrines of the Church were a problem.

The Pope just offered the same “It’s the messaging, not the message” spin of the GOP, and yet somehow, he’s a librul? WTF.

116 calochortus  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:09:57pm

re: #115 Lidane

The problem may be that the Pope isn’t looking for the smaller, purer Church that Benedict wanted. Purity is important to a lot of right wingers.

117 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:16:58pm

re: #14 freetoken

Ever more power and control to the latest right wing hero:

Vote Seals the Fate of the Russian Academy of Sciences

I predict another Russian brain drain will begin soon. Bad for Russia, good for the rest of the world.

118 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:17:36pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

By choice, though, so I don’t have a lot of sympathy. But then again, like my father I consider all talk radio to be dysfunctional.

How do you feel about your party again trying to take the government and economy hostage?

119 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:19:36pm

re: #115 Lidane

Note that the Pope never said that abortion, birth control, and gays were up for debate. He just said that the emphasis of those issues over the social justice doctrines of the Church were a problem.

The Pope just offered the same “It’s the messaging, not the message” spin of the GOP, and yet somehow, he’s a librul? WTF.

It’s not so much left/right with Pope Francis. He’s an old-school Jesuit*, and as such was trained by an order consciously designed as an elite group at the disposal of the pope. The Society of Jesus was also intended as a reform effort to remove the corruption that had given impetus to the Protestant Reformation, and in that the Jesuits can be said to be fairly successful.

This background must be kept in mind when considering the actions of Pope Francis. He’s big on the Catholic Church doing what he sees as its duty, and he prefers efficacy in action to purity. He’s also a firm believer in leading from the front.

*: Full Disclosure: I attended and graduated from a Jesuit high school.

120 darthstar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:24:07pm
121 darthstar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:24:37pm

Hey DF! Glad you’re here…your party is fucking batshit crazy.

122 Bubblehead II  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:28:31pm

Night Lizards. Sitting back and awaiting the upcoming Republican implosion.

Oh, and for you preppers out there, Got you beat, by about 30 years.

Born 19961. Cold war kid….. Think about it.

123 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:31:02pm
124 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:34:40pm

Usagi is now between Taiwan and the Philippines, aiming for Hong Kong and China. Peak winds are 175 kph/110 mph and it’s getting stronger.
bbc.co.uk

125 calochortus  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:38:40pm

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi

Usagi is now between Taiwan and the Philippines, aiming for Hong Kong and China. Peak winds are 175 kph/110 mph and it’s getting stronger.
bbc.co.uk

And I cannot tell you how relieved I am that my daughter and son-in-law are now in Japan and headed home in a couple days. I had thought they were going to be in Hong Kong for a couple more days.

I do feel for those in Usagi’s path and hope it loses strength after passing Taiwan as it is predicted to do. Should still be pretty nasty though.

126 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:41:22pm

re: #125 calochortus

And I cannot tell you how relieved I am that my daughter and son-in-law are now in Japan and headed home in a couple days. I had thought they were going to be in Hong Kong for a couple more days.

I do feel for those in Usagi’s path and hope it loses strength after passing Taiwan as it is predicted to do. Should still be pretty nasty though.

HK will get pelted with rain, and there may be some flooding, but they’re used to it. The winds are another matter, with all those ships around. After HK, it will then drench Guangdong province, and there could be mudslides and other nastiness coming up.

127 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:42:57pm

Well, it’s lunchtime here in southcentral China. For the curious, it’s partly cloudy and 26 degrees Celsius. A nice fall day.

128 Kragar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:43:32pm

And now for something completely different…

Youtube Video

129 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:54:19pm

re: #126 wheat-dogghazi

HK will get pelted with rain, and there may be some flooding, but they’re used to it. The winds are another matter, with all those ships around. After HK, it will then drench Guangdong province, and there could be mudslides and other nastiness coming up.

I hate watching cyclones of any sort approaching landfall. Mostly because I know what sort of havoc they cause and I know that a good deal of that havoc cannot be prevented.

130 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 9:00:47pm

Some wingnuts are apparently so desperate for something to distract from the slow-rolling disaster that is the defund Obamacare movement that they’re getting “outraged” by a California Dem party chairman’s dumbass remarks. Guy has virtually no national presence, but he said something stupid, so now it’s the ritual demands for his condemnation lest one be accused of agreeing with him.

131 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 9:01:51pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

Some wingnuts are apparently so desperate for something to distract from the slow-rolling disaster that is the defund Obamacare movement that they’re getting “outraged” by a California Dem party chairman’s dumbass remarks. Guy has virtually no national presence, but he said something stupid, so now it’s the ritual demands for his condemnation lest one be accused of agreeing with him.

Meh, that’s not unique to wingnuts. Everybody in politics does that.

132 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 9:05:52pm

And now for a couple of photos that will make you smile, even though they feature a Republican:

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133 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 9:15:32pm

Good Night, All.

134 blueraven  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 9:25:38pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

Some wingnuts are apparently so desperate for something to distract from the slow-rolling disaster that is the defund Obamacare movement that they’re getting “outraged” by a California Dem party chairman’s dumbass remarks. Guy has virtually no national presence, but he said something stupid, so now it’s the ritual demands for his condemnation lest one be accused of agreeing with him.

It was a bit more than stupid. What he said was despicable. He was fired for it and rightly so.

I don’t blame republicans for jumping on that. He apologized, but that is not acceptable at all, under any circumstance.

Doesn’t change the facts about the republican melt-down.

135 freetoken  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 9:59:28pm

re: #134 blueraven

As someone commented elsewhere, when Democrats do this it is an “own goal.”

My view of the Democratic party leaders here in California is that way too many are simply skating by because there is no real competition. The wingnut right has no hope of running the show here, so the Democrats don’t have to work very hard to stay in control.

The now disgraced San Diego mayor is another example of a Democrat who should have be ousted years ago, but the local political machinery just has never seen fit to clean house.

America as a “democracy” is a pretty marginal case. We’re running on tradition more than principle and discipline. Our outlandish wealth (from gathering the natural resources) keeps us from suffering the dire consequences of our stupidity.

136 darthstar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 10:05:09pm

His party’s still fucking batshit crazy.

137 darthstar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 10:15:19pm

re: #134 blueraven

Fired? From twitter? Or from his real job?

138 darthstar  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 10:23:10pm

re: #134 blueraven

It was a bit more than stupid. What he said was despicable. He was fired for it and rightly so.

Oh, for fuck’s sake, he said something stupid on twitter and apologized. Given the character limitations (hello? Greenwald?), shit will happen from time to time. I say stupid shit here, and we have far more than 140 characters to play with.

Anyway, Allen’s basically a good guy, as far as I can tell. I hope he lets this SCANDALOUS CONTROVERSY!!!11ty!!! blow over as soon as possible.

139 Lidane  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 10:39:32pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

Raised Catholic, graduated from a Holy Cross affiliated university.

I’m atheist now, but I like Jesuits. That doesn’t mean that the Pope is suddenly going to embrace positions that run counter to the established doctrines of the Church. He might believe in the Jesuit mission, but he’d be the first one to say that the Church is bigger than he is. The ideas aren’t going to budge even if he pushes other issues over gays, abortion, and birth control.

140 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 10:53:38pm

Perspective.
Republicans say far more stupid and offensive shit all the time and nothing ever happens to them. In fact, their base loves it.
Jesus.

141 freetoken  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 11:14:03pm

re: #140 Arrrr, matey!

In fact, their base loves it.
Jesus.

That’s Je$u$.

142 freetoken  Fri, Sep 20, 2013 11:17:04pm

MP3 Audio

143 freetoken  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 12:09:26am

MP3 Audio

144 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 12:51:05am

Atom bomb dropped on North Carolina by B-52 in 1961 almost exploded, documents show.

A US atom bomb that nearly exploded in 1961 over North Carolina would have been 260 times more powerful than the device that devastated Hiroshima.

The Guardian newspaper said on Friday that a declassified document, obtained by investigative journalist Eric Schlosser under the Freedom of Information Act, gave the first conclusive evidence that the US came close to a disaster in January 1961.

The incident happened when two Mark 39 hydrogen bombs were accidentally dropped over Goldsboro, North Carolina, after a B-52 bomber broke up in midair.

There has been persistent speculation about how serious the incident was and the US government has repeatedly denied its nuclear arsenal put American lives at risk through safety flaws, the newspaper said.

But the newly published document said one of the two bombs behaved exactly in the manner of a nuclear weapon in wartime, with its parachute opening and its trigger mechanisms engaged.

Only one low-voltage switch prevented a cataclysm.

Fallout could have spread over Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia and even New York City, the paper said, threatening the lives of millions of people.

More…

145 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 12:54:27am

re: #144 Usually refered to as anyways

We have met the enemy and he is us.

Image: kelly_pogo_earthday.jpg

Different contexts at play here, but the meaning remains the same.

146 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 12:57:04am

re: #140 Arrrr, matey!

Perspective.
Republicans say far more stupid and offensive shit all the time and nothing ever happens to them. In fact, their base loves it.
Jesus.

Let this apply to all. From a recent Slate article on the asshole cop in PA who got fired for posting vitriolic hate speech and still insists he “did nothing wrong”:

“Having the right to speak does not mean your words will go unchallenged. It doesn’t mean you won’t be held to certain standards of conduct in the private sector. It doesn’t mean your rights are being violated if, as a result of your speech, somebody else doesn’t want to buy your album or shop in your store. It doesn’t grant immunity from the repercussions that come from actions. “

147 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 12:57:13am

re: #145 wheat-dogghazi

We have met the enemy and he is us.

Image: kelly_pogo_earthday.jpg

Different contexts at play here, but the meaning remains the same.

Great pic, there is certainly some truth to it.

Not sure what to make of the article I posted, it is ‘The Guardian’ after all.
No link to the ‘released document’, maybe others can shed some light on it in the morning.

148 Amory Blaine  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 2:17:07am

Man Legally Carrying Gun Robbed at Gunpoint

A Milwaukee man found out the hard way that carrying a gun for protection doesn’t always keep you safe. In fact, it may have made him a target.

The 34-year-old man legally owned a handgun and carried it out in the open in his holster for protection.

Neighbors say they knew he was always armed.

“It was kind of scary to just see him walking around all the time with that gun kind of just out in the open,” said Shambria Mayham Autman. She lives near Teutonia and Good Hope and said they called him “The guy with the gun.”

But it wasn’t scary for at least one person who robbed “The guy with the gun” at gunpoint.

149 freetoken  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 2:33:43am

Alexander Arhkangelsky, Russian composer of choral works, hard to find even on the internet, here’s a sample:

MP3 Audio

150 freetoken  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 2:40:10am

pimf Arkhangelsky

151 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 3:01:22am

Nobody thought about this, did they?

Colo on alert for more spills in flooded oilfields

bigstory.ap.org

In earthquake-prone CA, will Jerry Brown regret ever signing the fracking bill?

153 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 3:09:14am

re: #152 Arrrr, matey!

GOP Rep: We’re Done With Immigration And We Blame Obama

Cosmolene? That’s some ancient shit.

154 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 3:10:09am

The GOP;
Youtube Video

155 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 3:15:22am

re: #152 Arrrr, matey!

GOP Rep: We’re Done With Immigration And We Blame Obama

“I believe a failure to pass immigration reform now will make it the number one issue of the next presidential election in 2016, because this issue isn’t going away. And that should scare the shit out of Republican campaign operatives. We could be facing the third election in a row that Republicans invariably find themselves on the side of overt racists. An election in which it’s a very real possibility that Democrats could nominate a woman or a Latino, or both. Or a woman who chooses a Latino as her running mate.”

Word.

156 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 3:17:44am

re: #155 Justanotherhuman

“I believe a failure to pass immigration reform now will make it the number one issue of the next presidential election in 2016, because this issue isn’t going away. And that should scare the shit out of Republican campaign operatives. We could be facing the third election in a row that Republicans invariably find themselves on the side of overt racists. An election in which it’s a very real possibility that Democrats could nominate a woman or a Latino, or both. Or a woman who chooses a Latino as her running mate.”

Word.

Unless the brain-dead in congress get their way, and the big issue of the 2016 election is getting the unemployment rate back under 20%.

157 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 3:19:50am

re: #63 jaunte

So the wingnut truckers are going to shut the country down on a weekend? Well that ought to work wonders. If they’re pissed about fuel prices(Obama’s “fuel plan”? Um, ok) it makes total sense to drive your truck out of the way of where you’d normally go- buying extra fuel you normally wouldn’t buy while the country is “shut down”. If things are shut down, won’t all the truck stops and fuel stations be closed too? Also, it’s gonna be real fun for them if they don’t do their jobs (oooh I know, he who doesn’t work doesn’t eat) and lose their jobs or contracts (if they’re independents)and word gets out that they aren’t reliable drivers.

Planning ahead is just not their strong suit at all is it? Also, what message does this send to DC? It’s on the weekend, no one is going to be there. Hell, is Congress even working the following Monday?

158 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 3:21:44am

The 2 Million Motorcycle March proved that you don’t have to actually show up if the news media and Intertubes are willing to broadcast your archive of old trucks.

159 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 3:31:11am

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Well yeah, there’s that too. Also, if you’re going to stock up and buy a bunch of shit before the boycott, then how does that effect anything really?

I know, there I go, thinking again. Did the media really fall for the motorcycle shit? I know the wingnuts tweeted and threw pictures of Sturgis and other stuff at each other all day, but did the big networks broadcast it too?

160 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 3:33:37am

re: #159 A Mom Anon

Well yeah, there’s that too. Also, if you’re going to stock up and buy a bunch of shit before the boycott, then how does that effect anything really?

I know, there I go, thinking again. Did the media really fall for the motorcycle shit? I know the wingnuts tweeted and threw pictures of Sturgis and other stuff at each other all day, but did the big networks broadcast it too?

The images seep into the 24 hr news addicts. I’ve seen websites, days later, confidently referring to the ‘1.5 million’ who showed up. (Best guess is about 2k went through town, as many as 10k diverted around the expressway.) Most of the fraud was still images—harder to maintain the illusion on video.

161 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 3:44:10am

Hulu Video

162 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 3:52:34am

re: #63 jaunte

Wingnut Truckers Will ‘Shut Down America’ In Order To Save It From Corruption, Obama’s ‘Fuel Policy’ (?)

Another francis letter?

Remove POTUS. Remove his Atty Gen. Anyone see a pattern here?

BTW, most drivers work for companies intent on getting freight to where it’s going and don’t take the weekend off. Truckers, if unionized, usually belong to the Teamsters, and I don’t see the Teamsters endorsing this bullshit rightwing move, either.

“The trucking companies, warehouses and private sector in the U.S. employs an estimated 8.9 million people employed in trucking-related jobs; nearly 3.5 million were truck drivers. Of this figure UPS employs 60,000 workers and 9% are owner operators. LTL shippers account for around 13.6 percent of America’s trucking sector. “

(Note that “drivers” include those driving trucks smaller than tractor trailer rigs, so I doubt you’ll see “Brown Truck” drivers there, either.)

truckinfo.net

163 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 3:56:04am

A bit of breaking news; apparently, a gun battle has broken out in an upscale mall in Nairobi, the Kenyan capital, after gunmen opened fire inside the mall. Kenyan police are said to be engaging the attackers.

france24.com

Just a breaking news blurb so far. Ten to one the attackers are the ‘usual suspects’: Boko Haram, one of the most dangerous bunch of lunatics I can think of.

On edit: scratch that - Boko Haram isn’t known to operate in Kenya to the best of my knowledge. So, it could be another bunch of loonies. Or armed robbers. Or who knows.

164 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 3:58:22am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

A bit of breaking news; apparently, a gun battle has broken out in an upscale mall in Nairobi, the Kenyan capital, after gunman opened fire inside the mall. Kenyan police are said to be engaging the attackers.

france24.com

Just a breaking news blurb so far. Ten to one the attackers are the ‘usual suspects’: Boko Haram, one of the most dangerous bunch of lunatics I can think of.

I would guess, yes.

Nigerian Islamists kill at least 159 in two attacks

reuters.com

ETA: Still, AQ sympathizers also operate in Kenya. The 1998 bombing of the American embassy in Nairobi was AQ related, allegedly related to the imprisonment and rendition of Egyptian Islamic Jihad leaders .

165 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 4:02:05am

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

It could be another bunch of wackadoodles; I corrected in my posting that Boko Haram operates in Nigeria, on the other side of the continent.

166 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 4:06:19am

More here from BBC regarding the ongoing story out of Nairobi:

bbc.co.uk

167 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 4:07:31am

re: #165 Dr Lizardo

It could be another bunch of wackadoodles; I corrected in my posting that Boko Haram operates in Nigeria, on the other side of the continent.

See my ETA. AQ operations and sympathizers have intensified in many African states.

168 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 4:10:15am

re: #167 Justanotherhuman

See my ETA. AQ operations and sympathizers have intensified in many African states.

Sadly, all too true.

According to the BBC article, they quoted the Nairobi chief of police who stated that it was an armed robbery gone bad.

From the description of witnesses, that’s one hell of an ‘armed robbery’.

169 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 4:24:19am

LGF holiday today—we’re taking our third shot at our houseraising, and it’s still 60% chance of rain. BBWML. Be back muddy, wet and limping.

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 4:32:00am

Good morning Lizards. At a hotel in the suburbs of Pittsburgh to attend a conference later today. Will be meeting friends tomorrow and basically hitting old hang-outs from when I lived here.

At breakfast this morning the main people about were from a tour bus. From Wisconsin/Michigan and headed back there after visiting NYC, Atlantic City, and Philadelphia. All senior citizens and the main discussion topics I heard from eavesdropping were Medicaid, young people always being in a hurry and not having time to talk (e.g. big city vs small town), and whatever their kids/grandkids were up to.

Not much real politics talk, but that doesn’t surprise me because in polite vacation groups you generally don’t talk politics anyways. And this bunch reminded me of my aunts off to the side at the various family reunions.

171 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 4:36:19am

re: #148 Amory Blaine

Man Legally Carrying Gun Robbed at Gunpoint

A Milwaukee man found out the hard way that carrying a gun for protection doesn’t always keep you safe. In fact, it may have made him a target.

The 34-year-old man legally owned a handgun and carried it out in the open in his holster for protection.

Neighbors say they knew he was always armed.

“It was kind of scary to just see him walking around all the time with that gun kind of just out in the open,” said Shambria Mayham Autman. She lives near Teutonia and Good Hope and said they called him “The guy with the gun.”

But it wasn’t scary for at least one person who robbed “The guy with the gun” at gunpoint.

Open carry has been the law in NC for a long time, but the only time I can actually remember someone strapping one on in a holster in public was when I worked at the food stamp office back during the Arab oil embargo.

A guy wearing motorcycle leather w/Outlaw patches came in with his gun exposed on his hip. We were asking whether or not he should be asked to leave his weapon outside but were told that he had a legal right to have it on, even in a public bldg because there were no laws against it at that time—that changed in the wake of a series of courthouse shootings. Everyone was fairly nervous before he got the hell out of there, though.

172 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 4:45:26am

re: #148 Amory Blaine

Man Legally Carrying Gun Robbed at Gunpoint

A Milwaukee man found out the hard way that carrying a gun for protection doesn’t always keep you safe. In fact, it may have made him a target.

The 34-year-old man legally owned a handgun and carried it out in the open in his holster for protection.

Neighbors say they knew he was always armed.

“It was kind of scary to just see him walking around all the time with that gun kind of just out in the open,” said Shambria Mayham Autman. She lives near Teutonia and Good Hope and said they called him “The guy with the gun.”

But it wasn’t scary for at least one person who robbed “The guy with the gun” at gunpoint.

If only he had a gun!
…
..
.
Something.

173 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 4:52:40am

The US has a lot of angry people, most concerned about their own pesonal situations, but combine that with right wing outrage and the lack of impulse control, and it’s scary as hell.

Yes, I get angry, very angry, at times but only because of ignorance and stupidity. But I usually start doing reading and research to rebut the total brain dead comments I hear, if I don’t know already. Example of my anger: Name calling of the vilest sort directed at the computer screen on hearing some of the House RWNJs expounding on why they were voting to overturn ACA and about the debt ceiling rise vote they intended to make. It releases tension and I get over it. I don’t curse or put down people I talk with personally—but I try to explain to them why they’re wrong. If they don’t want to understand, that’s their loss, but that doesn’t mean I lose empathy for their situation. They don’t even seem to understand that the govt programs they get help from are those that the RW would love to restrict or even overturn.

It’s why I want more—lots more—education of the right kind in this country, especially that which teaches the ability to think critically. But even that is a failure in some venues, where people who think they get some specific job training after a poorly matriculated HS diploma is real “education”.

174 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 5:12:47am

They need to just throw in the towel already:

Blackberry to take $1 billion loss, lay off 4500 employees

175 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 5:16:17am

They celebrate my niece’s birthday each month with a little party at the maternal grandparent’s; ‘cumple meses’ instead of ‘cumpleaños’. Last month the little family looked pretty tired. Looks like they’ve recovered for the fifth one.

Cumple 5 meses, con mami.

Con papi.

176 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 5:19:31am

re: #173 Justanotherhuman

I keep asking myself where all the hatred is coming from. I know this isn’t popular, but I do think it’s worse now because there used to be some shame in being an asshole to your neighbors and community members. Now being an asshole is rewarded, often financially. I also think the internet can encourage this stuff because it’s really easy to hide behind and you don’t have to face the person you’re being an ass to. It’s also incredibly easy to gather personal info about someone and use that to harass and intimidate people. This is new thing. Hate feeds on itself too, 24/7 easy access to it I honestly think infects some people and makes them more horrible than they might be normally. Or at least makes it a lot easier to quickly escalate.

Another thing is an unsure economy. People that were happily secure middle class are not anymore and it does piss people off. It’s much easier to hate on poor people or minorities or some horrible awful devil in society than it is to focus on the real liars and thieves. Doing that would make them feel more helpless than they already do. After all, one little guy can’t fight the powers that be, so why not just yell along with others who feel as powerless as you?

177 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 5:20:47am

re: #175 wrenchwench

Aww, that’s a neat little tradition. She looks like a happy baby.

178 freetoken  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 5:26:26am

re: #176 A Mom Anon

Anger is passed around. Given modern communications allowing everyone to get their little group of 15 followers and 15 minutes of fame, any tantrum will work.

We are affected by the emotions of others. Surround yourself with angry people and you will be affected.

The outpouring of wingnut hate is not unexpected, as the existential crises of collapse of the once convenient world view has been shot full of holes. Identities, religion, and status are painful to lose.

179 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 5:28:56am

re: #177 A Mom Anon

Aww, that’s a neat little tradition. She looks like a happy baby.

She’s so fat! I remember when her father was that age. He was quite the little porker, too. But he’s been skinny since he could walk, so I’m not concerned about it. What an adorable butterball.

She’s not their first grandchild, as one might think with all the fuss, but she might be the first granddaughter. I’ve seen some of her cousins on Facebook, really cute boys. I find little kids with glasses to be super cute, and one cousin has been wearing them since he was two or three.

180 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 5:45:58am

re: #179 wrenchwench

My son weighed over 12 lbs at birth. If you looked at him from behind, you could see his little fat cheeks, especially if he was smiling. He went from looking like a Sharpei puppy to your average toddler really fast once he figured out he could run (before he was a year old). Now he’s 19, taller than both of his parents and maybe just a little chubby, but that will change once he’s back in school. I hope he’s not blessed with our family tree’s problems with heart disease and diabetes. But OMG that’s a cute baby, WW, I’d have to kiss that little face all the time.

181 sagehen  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 5:46:03am

It’s not just the fat, she’s really tall for 5 months… I think I was 3 years old by the time I got to be that size (I’m a taller than average person now).

182 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 5:49:46am

re: #139 Lidane

Raised Catholic, graduated from a Holy Cross affiliated university.

I’m atheist now, but I like Jesuits. That doesn’t mean that the Pope is suddenly going to embrace positions that run counter to the established doctrines of the Church. He might believe in the Jesuit mission, but he’d be the first one to say that the Church is bigger than he is. The ideas aren’t going to budge even if he pushes other issues over gays, abortion, and birth control.

This.

Slightly nicer rhetoric with no change in policy (or doctrine or whatever) has people going all dreamy over Francis. It’s still a brutal patriarchy.

183 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 5:53:28am

re: #180 A Mom Anon

My son weighed over 12 lbs at birth.

Ouch.

If you looked at him from behind, you could see his little fat cheeks, especially if he was smiling.

That cracks me up.

He went from looking like a Sharpei puppy to your average toddler really fast once he figured out he could run (before he was a year old). Now he’s 19, taller than both of his parents and maybe just a little chubby, but that will change once he’s back in school. I hope he’s not blessed with our family tree’s problems with heart disease and diabetes. But OMG that’s a cute baby, WW, I’d have to kiss that little face all the time.

If only she weren’t 3000 miles away!

I was happy to read that your son got into the educational program he wanted!

184 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 5:57:13am

There’s an epic near one thousand post freeper battle royale taking place over Ted Cruz’s eligibility to be President. Rich veins of schadenfreude to be mined, heavy birther on tea-tard action.

185 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 5:57:30am

re: #181 sagehen

It’s not just the fat, she’s really tall for 5 months… I think I was 3 years old by the time I got to be that size (I’m a taller than average person now).

Her father is only about 5’ 8”, and her mother just a little shorter. Maybe they make her look tall. Hard for me to tell.

186 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:07:24am

re: #182 wrenchwench

Yeah, I’d like to see him work on cleaning out the pedophiles and getting law enforcement involved. I still am astonished at how this has mostly remained “in house” and the cops weren’t called in nearly every case.

187 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:08:54am

re: #185 wrenchwench

Her father is only about 5’ 8”, and her mother just a little shorter. Maybe they make her look tall. Hard for me to tell.

No, you’re right. She’s huge!

And there was a fuse on that candle.

188 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:09:27am

re: #184 goddamnedfrank

There’s an epic near one thousand post freeper battle royale taking place over Ted Cruz’s eligibility to be President. Rich veins of schadenfreude to be mined, heavy birther on tea-tard action.

Let me guess, the TPers think he’s perfect presidential timber and either are willing to look the other way on his origin or are willing to pull an Ah-nold (“Doesn’t matter where he was born, he’s an American!”), while the birthers are screaming that he’s a Canadian and no damned Canuck has a place as president of ‘Murica?

189 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:12:25am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

A bit of breaking news; apparently, a gun battle has broken out in an upscale mall in Nairobi, the Kenyan capital, after gunmen opened fire inside the mall. Kenyan police are said to be engaging the attackers.

france24.com

Just a breaking news blurb so far. Ten to one the attackers are the ‘usual suspects’: Boko Haram, one of the most dangerous bunch of lunatics I can think of.

On edit: scratch that - Boko Haram isn’t known to operate in Kenya to the best of my knowledge. So, it could be another bunch of loonies. Or armed robbers. Or who knows.

Doesn’t matter who it was, if the haters notice it they will still use it to make snide Birther jabs at President Obama.

190 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:25:50am

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

Doesn’t matter who it was, if the haters notice it they will still use it to make snide Birther jabs at President Obama.

That - sadly - goes without saying.

191 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:26:47am

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

Doesn’t matter who it was, if the haters notice it they will still use it to make snide Birther jabs at President Obama.

Repeating my question from earlier, how do you feel about your party again trying to take the government and economy hostage? I’m just trying to get a feel for, hypothetically, where the line is. At what point the party just becomes so undeniably godawful that you just can’t support them anymore?

192 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:34:12am

re: #191 goddamnedfrank

I’m not going to draw that line in print. In large part because, as the saying goes, “all politics is local”. The national party could go off the rails and yet I would still support a competent Republican candidate for governor of Illinois (though that does not include Bill Brady, whom I will neither support nor vote for).

193 Lidane  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:37:53am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

The national party could go off the rails

The national party DID go off the rails years ago. Take an hour and read the national platform they run on.

194 darthstar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:48:29am

Batshit fucking crazy, they are.

195 darthstar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:48:40am

re: #148 Amory Blaine

Man Legally Carrying Gun Robbed at Gunpoint

I’m sorry, but I fucking love this.

196 thedopefishlives  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:49:51am

Morning Lizardim.

197 darthstar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:50:48am
198 Lidane  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:51:08am

re: #148 Amory Blaine

Man Legally Carrying Gun Robbed at Gunpoint

If only he’d had a gun to defend himself with.

It’s Obama’s fault! Gun free zone! Guns = crime deterrent! Eleventy!

199 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:51:24am

Regarding the attack on an upscale mall in Nairobi, there are reports coming out that the attackers were not ‘armed robbers’ - contrary to what the Nairobi Chief of Police said earlier, but apparently were - according to witnesses - targeting non-Muslims.

independent.co.uk

15 are reported dead thus far.

Tragic and disgusting. Must be some group I’ve never heard of, maybe a new one. Certainly, Al-Qaeda has been particularly active in Africa as of late, no doubt looking for a base of operations and to expand their toxic influence.

200 darthstar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:52:12am
201 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:52:16am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

I’m not going to draw that line in print. In large part because, as the saying goes, “all politics is local”.

Yeah, and every single one of your local Representatives voted to hold the country hostage. Only one Republican in the entire House voted against the defunding bullshit and he’s not from Il.

I can’t tell if your staunch need to identify and support such monsters comes from a deep seated, thoughtless, kneejerk gang mentality or Stockholm syndrome. Whatever it is it’s impossible to respect.

Your party is dying, it’s leadership is non-existent. In that vacuum the absolute worst kinds of craven, mean spirited, bigoted monsters are overtly threatening to do as much damage to the country as they possibly can. Meanwhile you alternatively sit in denial or make excuses for the GOP brand.

202 thedopefishlives  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:53:34am

re: #200 darthstar

Boy, it almost sounds like political terrorism, when he puts it that way. “Fulfill our demands or we blow the whole thing!”

203 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:57:06am

re: #195 darthstar

I’m sorry, but I fucking love this.

You shouldn’t. It really is the proof a tactical reality, that being that all gun tech and shooting skill you may have is for naught if you let your foe get the drop on you.

When it comes to avoiding being robbed, the first principal is Good Situational Awareness. By keeping your eyes open and reacting properly to potential threats, you may be able to avoid them entirely.

204 darthstar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:57:27am

re: #202 thedopefishlives

Boy, it almost sounds like political terrorism, when he puts it that way. “Fulfill our demands or we blow the whole thing!”

Mmm-hm. Yep. You betcha. Darn tootin’.

205 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 6:59:48am

Follow up on the Nairobi mall shootings.

Witness: Kenya mall attackers target non-Muslims

bigstory.ap.org

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) — Gunmen threw grenades and opened fire Saturday killing at least 10 people in an attack targeting non-Muslims at an upscale mall in Kenya’s capital that was hosting a children’s day event, witnesses said.

“A local hospital was overwhelmed with the number of wounded being brought in hours after the attack, so they had to divert them to a second facility.

“Elijah Kamau, who was at the mall at the time of the midday attack, said that the gunmen made a declaration that non-Muslims would be targeted.”

The local police are treating this as a terrorist attack.

206 darthstar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:00:12am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

You shouldn’t. It really is the proof a tactical reality, that being that all gun tech and shooting skill you may have is for naught if you let your foe get the drop on you.

When it comes to avoiding being robbed, the first principal is Good Situational Awareness. By keeping your eyes open and reacting properly to potential threats, you may be able to avoid them entirely.

I’m just glad Apple doesn’t release an iGun. Then everyone will accessorize with one.

Anyway, this guy was robbed before, and thought the gun would protect him.

The victim didn’t want to go on camera but said he carried the gun because he had been jumped and held up at knife point in the past. He believes, in his case, open carry made him a target and he will no longer do it.

Of course he won’t do it anymore. Some asshole stole his gun.

207 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:00:12am

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

My sister is like this, in her case, it’s tied to loyalty, in her mind at least, to our parents. Like if she took the time to really take a hard look at the GOP that’s somehow being disloyal to Mom and Dad and they’d love her less or something. Which is nuts, because, in spite of some sharp family divides, that kept us apart for over a decade, my parents still do love me, even if the relationship isn’t always harmonious. I’ve always been a liberal, it’s kinda hard to demonize liberals when someone as lovable as me is in the family,lol. I don’t get it either. I will say though, since I’ve talked to my Mom about some of the crazy shit the GA GOP is doing, she’s not voting for them anymore. It takes stuff effecting someone she loves(my son, even my sister’s disability and food stamps) before she began opening her eyes a little. She still listens to Glenn Beck, gah! But she’s more open to reason now. baby steps.

Maybe it will take an event that directly effects DF before he rethinks some of this.

208 Lidane  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:00:32am

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

Only one Republican in the entire House voted against the defunding bullshit and he’s not from Il.

He also only voted against defunding because the sequester would still be in place. He supports defunding Obamacare as a matter of policy.

209 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:00:36am

re: #202 thedopefishlives

Boy, it almost sounds like political terrorism, when he puts it that way. “Fulfill our demands or we blow the whole thing!”

With the understanding that if they do have to go ahead and blow that puppy’s head off, Obama’s responsible by not giving into their demands. “See what you made us do?!”

210 geoffm33  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:00:42am

Hey all been a while. Just read this in the hyper-local rag in Southie about the upcoming City Councilor (and Mayoral) election.

But for Boston City Councilor at-large, we get to vote for as many as four of them. The saying “all politics is local” means that voters select the candidate that can do the most for their particular area. As a South Boston newspaper, we are concerned primarily with this community. Though we wish the best for every part of Boston, we make no bones about, nor are we ashamed of being parochial as to what and who will best benefit and deliver to South Boston.

Not sure that is what Tip O’Neill had in mind with “all politics is local”. That is, to forsake the rest of Boston if it benefits Southie. Kind of flips it on it’s head really. It means the politician needs to be able to address and understand the needs of his constituency. Period. To vote someone into office since they can help your neighborhood the most is that particular voters prerogative, but not what “all politics is local” means.

Plus, it’s the at-large seats he’s referring to. City wide representation.

Both Flaherty and Murphy, during their years on the council have always been good to this town and worked hard on its behalf…And when the pressure not to march in this town’s Veterans sponsored St. Patrick’s Day/Evacuation Day parade is put on; as it so often is by the media and radical elements, both Flaherty and Murphy stand tall and proudly join the procession.

This is the piece that pisses me off the most. The pols that protest the South Boston St. Patrick’s Day parade do so as a protest to the lack of inclusion in the parade for LGBTQ marchers.

Whatever.

Signed,
Bitter Voter

211 Lidane  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:02:42am

re: #209 Targetpractice

With the understanding that if they do have to go ahead and blow that puppy’s head off, Obama’s responsible by not giving into their demands. “See what you made us do?!”

It’s like an abusive husband telling his wife that it’s her fault he beats her. If she’d only [insert unreasonable demand here] he wouldn’t have to hit her.

212 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:03:03am

re: #208 Lidane

He also only voted against defunding because the sequester would still be in place. He supports defunding Obamacare as a matter of policy.

Yeah, Scott Rigell, my local rep who voted the previous day to cut thousands of needy folks from food stamps on, I can only assume, the basis that we need to be cutting costs. You know, because hungry people are a cost and the best way to handle them is to just ignore ‘em.

213 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:03:49am

re: #206 darthstar

I’m just glad Apple doesn’t release an iGun. Then everyone will accessorize with one.

Anyway, this guy was robbed before, and thought the gun would protect him.

Of course he won’t do it anymore. Some asshole stole his gun.

The iPhone already has a number of gun related apps and accessories, for such things as ranging, target speed and direction, as well as the speed and direction of the wind (that last does require an accessory and may not be available to the general public).

214 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:04:15am

re: #199 Dr Lizardo

Regarding the attack on an upscale mall in Nairobi, there are reports coming out that the attackers were not ‘armed robbers’ - contrary to what the Nairobi Chief of Police said earlier, but apparently were - according to witnesses - targeting non-Muslims.

independent.co.uk

15 are reported dead thus far.

Tragic and disgusting. Must be some group I’ve never heard of, maybe a new one. Certainly, Al-Qaeda has been particularly active in Africa as of late, no doubt looking for a base of operations and to expand their toxic influence.

Witness: Kenya mall attackers target non-Muslims

Gunmen threw grenades and opened fire Saturday killing at least 10 people in an attack targeting non-Muslims at an upscale mall in Kenya’s capital that was hosting a children’s day event, witnesses said.

A local hospital was overwhelmed with the number of wounded being brought in hours after the attack, so they had to divert them to a second facility.

Elijah Kamau, who was at the mall at the time of the midday attack, said that the gunmen made a declaration that non-Muslims would be targeted.

“The gunmen told Muslims to stand up and leave. They were safe, and non-Muslims would be targeted,” he said.

Al Shabab . One of those dickheads who beheaded a soldier in London made several efforts to join al Shabab. Several London mosques have hosted recruiters for the group.

215 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:04:36am

re: #205 Justanotherhuman

Follow up on the Nairobi mall shootings.

Witness: Kenya mall attackers target non-Muslims

bigstory.ap.org

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) — Gunmen threw grenades and opened fire Saturday killing at least 10 people in an attack targeting non-Muslims at an upscale mall in Kenya’s capital that was hosting a children’s day event, witnesses said.

A local hospital was overwhelmed with the number of wounded being brought in hours after the attack, so they had to divert them to a second facility.

Elijah Kamau, who was at the mall at the time of the midday attack, said that the gunmen made a declaration that non-Muslims would be targeted.

The local police are treating this as a terrorist attack.

Bad; very bad.

You wouldn’t believe what I found on YouTube - General Idi Amin Dada: A Self-Portrait by Barbet Schroeder. Full movie.

Wow…..what a tyrant. Yet a charismatic fellow at the same time. It’s rare to see something like that.

216 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:06:32am

re: #214 Killgore Trout

Ah, yes……..Al Shabaab. The extremist group that sounds like a snack food. I’d forgotten about them; I thought they were largely confined to Somalia.

Looks like they’re branching out.

217 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:06:44am

re: #214 Killgore Trout

Witness: Kenya mall attackers target non-Muslims

Al Shabab . One of those dickheads who beheaded a soldier in London made several efforts to join al Shabab. Several London mosques have hosted recruiters for the group.

And the President will denounce this atrocity, as he must, regardless of the hate that will be spewed at him. But there’s nothing for it, because Al-Shabaab Delenda Est.

218 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:07:42am

re: #207 A Mom Anon

My sister is like this, in her case, it’s tied to loyalty, in her mind at least, to our parents. Like if she took the time to really take a hard look at the GOP that’s somehow being disloyal to Mom and Dad and they’d love her less or something.

Which is funny inasmuch as that kind of thinking is a tacit acknowledgement that one thinks their parents are complete assholes, it just remains to be internalized and digested.

219 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:09:03am

Israeli soldier kidnapped and killed in the West Bank.


bigstory.ap.org

I put a page up but there’s no more info.

220 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:09:09am

re: #211 Lidane

Democrats and liberals have been so demonized that I think it stands in the way of reasonable thinking sometimes. Sure the GOP is awful but Democrats are always and forever so much worse, all of them, no matter who they are or what they’ve done. There are more than a few people who truly believe we’re all commie, marxist, maoists, socialist, hell bent on leading us right into some Hitleresque fever dream and no amount of reality can intrude on that. The propaganda has worked.

This is why I have a hard time forgiving the heads of the GOP and the talking heads on the right. They did this on purpose and I think most of them really do not care if it goes so far as to include the direct hunting down and killing of liberals or anyone they perceive as such. It’s going to keep biting us in the ass for a really long time.

221 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:10:14am

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

And the President will denounce this atrocity, as he must, regardless of the hate that will be spewed at him. But there’s nothing for it, because Al-Shabaab Delenda Est.

There’s a Sufi militia that fights against Al Shabaab regularly.

en.wikipedia.org

222 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:12:47am

Guns.com writer Jennifer Cruz takes New Hampshire GOP Senate Candidate Jim Rubens to the woodshed for a 2009 blog post that was a napalms-grade piece of Burning Stupid:

I’m always open to hearing the next great conspiracy theory, but this one lingers pretty close to the top of crazy ideas.

Apparently former New Hampshire State Sen. Jim Rubens, who recently announced his candidacy for U.S. Senate, wrote a blog post back in 2009 that has recently resurfaced to slap him right smack in the face.

According to the post, women in the workplace have, at least partially, contributed to the seemingly rise in mass shootings and other forms of extreme violence.

SNIP

He also perpetuates the idea that in order to reduce extreme violence carried out by men, we need an increase in manufacturing jobs and that tweaking the tax code is one such way of doing this.

Clearly the issue of mass shootings is a complex one with no single solution. However, to insinuate that if women would just give these poor guys their jobs back, then the mass shootings and other forms of extreme violence would somehow magically go away, or even be reduced, is just another way of displacing blame somewhere other than where it’s due.

After all, the average man who suffers with inner turmoil due to hard times may turn to binge drinking. He may turn to drugs. He may become involved in an affair with a sleazy woman - or a not so sleazy woman - in an effort to feel better about himself. But average men who have fallen on hard times do not walk into a classroom full of first graders and start shooting. That is not normal and depicts a much greater problem in our society.

Good on her for smoking out this loon.

223 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:13:00am

‘Foreign’ gunmen shoot Kenya mall shoppers

GUNMEN who attacked a shopping mall in the Kenyan capital Nairobi were speaking in a foreign language and were seen executing a number of shoppers, an eyewitness says.

“They were not speaking Swahili. They spoke something that seemed like Arabic or Somali, but I’m not sure as I don’t speak those languages,” the witness, who only wanted to give his first name, Jay, said after fleeing the mall


“I saw people being executed after being asked to say something,” he said, adding he had seen 11 dead bodies inside the mall.
.

I wonder if they converted the victims to Islam before killing them. That would seem to violate the rule of not killing Muslims but I guess logic doesn’t apply in this case.

224 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:14:38am

re: #219 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Israeli soldier kidnapped and killed in the West Bank.

bigstory.ap.org

I put a page up but there’s no more info.

Match, meet gasoline.

225 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:15:02am

re: #216 Dr Lizardo

Ah, yes……..Al Shabaab. The extremist group that sounds like a snack food. I’d forgotten about them; I thought they were largely confined to Somalia.

Looks like they’re branching out.

They are actually pretty good at international outreach. I seem to recall they’ve been doing some recuiting in Dearborn Michigan as well. Probably anywhere there’s a Somali community.

226 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:15:52am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

I’m not going to draw that line in print. In large part because, as the saying goes, “all politics is local”. The national party could go off the rails and yet I would still support a competent Republican candidate for governor of Illinois (though that does not include Bill Brady, whom I will neither support nor vote for).

Go read the current #1 comment. Again, if you already did.

Then read what geoffm33 just wrote about ‘all politics is local’.

Then consider the poor victims of the policies of Republicans.

227 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:17:42am

re: #223 Killgore Trout

‘Foreign’ gunmen shoot Kenya mall shoppers

I wonder if they converted the victims to Islam before killing them.

Um, no. It was a shibboleth.

228 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:19:53am

re: #226 wrenchwench

Go read the current #1 comment. Again, if you already did.

Then read what geoffm33 just wrote about ‘all politics is local’.

Then consider the poor victims of the policies of Republicans.

NO U

229 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:22:16am

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

Um, no. It was a shibboleth.

Specifically, I’d be money the killers were demanding recitation of the Shahada to determine who was/wasn’t a Muslim.

230 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:22:31am
231 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:22:40am

re: #221 Dr Lizardo

There’s a Sufi militia that fights against Al Shabaab regularly.

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah, but I’ll bet they do their recruiting in mosques too!!!!!

232 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:24:23am

Hey Lizards,

Hope you’re all doing well..
Turns out I’m moving to America!

233 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:24:46am

re: #231 wrenchwench

Yeah, but I’ll bet they do their recruiting in mosques too!!!!!

Just like the right wing does their recruiting in Christian churches in the US and elsewhere.

234 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:25:35am

re: #232 McSpiff

Hey Lizards,

Hope you’re all doing well..
Turns out I’m moving to America!

North, South, or Central?

/

Welcome!

235 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:26:09am

re: #225 Killgore Trout

They are actually pretty good at international outreach. I seem to recall they’ve been doing some recuiting in Dearborn Michigan as well. Probably anywhere there’s a Somali community.

Grrrrr.

236 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:26:15am

Wait…
Canada isn’t America???
WTF!?

237 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:27:53am

re: #236 Arrrr, matey!

Wait…
Canada isn’t America???
WTF!?

We just haven’t made the annexation official…yet.

238 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:28:32am

But!
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239 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:28:54am

re: #236 Arrrr, matey!

Wait…
Canada isn’t America???
WTF!?

re: #237 Targetpractice

We just haven’t made the annexation official…yet.

We’re just America’s hat ;-)

240 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:31:44am

re: #231 wrenchwench

Yeah, but I’ll bet they do their recruiting in mosques too!!!!!

I don’t know why you would find that fact outrageous. The Brits are very concerned because Al Shabab’s recruiting in the UK ids becoming serious security threat.
Al-Shabaab: the growing menace of the al-Qaeda affiliate

For militant young Britons looking for a cause, Somalia is currently the hottest ticket. An estimated 200 Britons and Americans have travelled to the Horn of Africa in the past six years, intelligence agencies say, to help al-Shabaab wage terror attacks against government troops in Somalia and plan assaults further afield. In July 2010, al-Shabaab claimed twin suicide bombings that killed 74 football fans watching the World Cup Final in Uganda’s capital Kampala.

241 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:31:45am

re: #233 Justanotherhuman

Just like the right wing does their recruiting in Christian churches in the US and elsewhere.

Sounds like the Sufi fighters are the anti-rwnjs in this case, though. I hope we never have to take up arms to dislodge ours.

242 Flounder  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:31:45am

Who wants to help me with some firewood. I got some fresh zucchini bread here!

243 darthstar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:31:50am

re: #238 Arrrr, matey!

But!
Image: FO3_loading_screen_Capitol_Post_3.png

In 2072, Hudson Bay will be the new Riviera, complete with casinos, nude beaches, and roller coasters.

244 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:32:19am

re: #243 darthstar

In 2072, Hudson Bay will be the new Riviera, complete with casinos, nude beaches, and roller coasters.

What, no black jack or hookers?

//

245 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:32:55am

re: #243 darthstar

In 2072, Hudson Bay will be the new Riviera, complete with casinos, nude beaches, and roller coasters.

Too bad this happened not long after…

246 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:34:34am

re: #240 Killgore Trout

Did I say I was outraged?

It is nice to see a link and a statement with specificity, though.

247 darthstar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:35:28am

re: #244 Targetpractice

What, no black jack or hookers?

//

People will go “south of the border”, to Kansas, for that, where it’s rumored you can see a woman having sex with an electric scooter.

248 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:38:47am

re: #247 darthstar

People will go “south of the border”, to Kansas, for that, where it’s rumored you can see a woman having sex with an electric scooter.

…

We’ll not go to the future. Tis a silly place.

249 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:41:49am

re: #248 Targetpractice

…

We’ll not go to the future. Tis a silly place.

Thanks, Obama.

250 darthstar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:41:49am

Friend of mine posted this with the admission that he might be a fanboy.

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251 Mattand  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:42:28am

re: #248 Targetpractice

…

We’ll not go to the future. Tis a silly place.

It’s only a model…

252 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:45:29am

re: #250 darthstar

Friend of mine posted this with the admission that he might be a fanboy.

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Image: Apple_Must_Die_by_leonisgreat.jpg

253 thedopefishlives  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:45:49am

So today is new appliance day in the fish household. We came into a little bit of cash and are obtaining a new water softener and a new dishwasher. It’s sad to get so excited over such mundane things. I feel like an adult.

254 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:47:23am

re: #253 thedopefishlives

So today is new appliance day in the fish household. We came into a little bit of cash and are obtaining a new water softener and a new dishwasher. It’s sad to get so excited over such mundane things. I feel like an adult.

Durable goods! Woohoo!

255 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:50:21am

re: #253 thedopefishlives

So today is new appliance day in the fish household. We came into a little bit of cash and are obtaining a new water softener and a new dishwasher. It’s sad to get so excited over such mundane things. I feel like an adult.

Always been excited for new appliances since I was a kid. “Ooh, new features. Oooh, so much more room. Ooh, it’s so much faster/quieter/cleaner.”

Yeah, the “new” eventually wears off, but it’s still fun for a little while.

256 darthstar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:51:40am

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257 darthstar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:52:00am

re: #256 darthstar

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I know, I know…women don’t fart.

258 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:52:56am

re: #257 darthstar

I know, I know…women don’t fart.

I don’t know and have no opinion.

259 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:55:15am

re: #257 darthstar

I know, I know…women don’t fart.

Women? Farting? Pretty sure that’s an urban myth.

//

260 darthstar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:06:22am

I’ve emptied an elevator with a fart, but this is the first time I’ve killed a thread.

261 thedopefishlives  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:10:02am

re: #260 darthstar

I’ve emptied an elevator with a fart, but this is the first time I’ve killed a thread.

That’s pretty impressive right there, cowboy.

262 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:10:37am

re: #260 darthstar

I’ve emptied an elevator with a fart, but this is the first time I’ve killed a thread.

It’s pinin’ for the fjords.

263 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:14:16am

Typhoon Usagi hammers Taiwan, Philippines, approaches Hong Kong

Typhoon Usagi weakened from a super typhoon, but still has winds gusting to 130 m.p.h. Hong Kong flights were canceled after 6 p.m. Saturday.

csmonitor.com

“Usagi has a massive diameter of 1,100 kilometers (680 miles), with its outer rain bands extending across Luzon, all of Taiwan and more than 100 kilometers (63 miles) into China’s interior, satellite images showed.”

Don’t underestimate 100 wph winds, either, and they don’t yet know if Usagi will pick up steam before it gets to HK. In 1989, Hurricane Hugo hit inland Charlotte, NC (175 mi from Myrtle Beach SC) with winds of between 75 and 80 mph and caused plenty of damage—my house included. Charlotte has almost always been a “city of trees” and plenty were downed. Even downtown suffered blown windows in the high rises.

264 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:14:54am

To, ahem, clear the air, so to speak…

265 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:18:41am

Time to hit the road. Later, lizards.

266 sagehen  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:24:27am

Video rec of the day:

The Lizzie Bennet Diaries

Youtube Video

100 episodes, most of them about 4 minutes… Lizzie Bennet is a grad student in media studies, her older sister Jane is pursuing a career in fashion, younger sister Lydia is a party girl, William Darcy owns the very successful internet startup Pemberly Digital, Bing Lee is a medical student, George Wickham is a cad…

(there’s shorter series of companion videos from Lydia Bennet, Charlotte Lu, Gigi Darcy….)

267 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:39:29am


[Jumps out window.]

268 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:40:19am

re: #267 Gus

[Embedded content]


[Jumps out window.]

Eh, no worries, he’s on the first floor.

//

269 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:42:26am

Greenwald says “no way” Edward Snowden was a clearance failure.

lolwut?

270 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:43:24am

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Greenwald says “no way” Edward Snowden was a clearance failure.

lolwut?

[Embedded content]

271 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:45:01am

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Greenwald says “no way” Edward Snowden was a clearance failure.

lolwut?

[Embedded content]

No, Snowden is not a mass murderer but he was given clearance by the same organization that cleared Alexis and Snowden was a security clearance hot mess. Facts are facts.

272 darthstar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:46:44am

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Greenwald says “no way” Edward Snowden was a clearance failure.

lolwut?

[Embedded content]

What’s with the mass murderer comparison? Greenwald throwing words into other peoples’ tweets again.

273 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:46:50am

What a bizarre comment. He apparently thinks people who intend to commit espionage should receive top secret clearance.

274 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:46:59am

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Greenwald says “no way” Edward Snowden was a clearance failure.

lolwut?

It’s true only in Greenwald’s head. Snowden had clearance. He abused it. So he’s a clearance failure. Very simple logic.

275 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:47:47am

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Greenwald says “no way” Edward Snowden was a clearance failure.

lolwut?

[Embedded content]

Glenn, even if you ignore that Snowden got booted from the Army before he even finished boot, never finished college, and the only job in the years between when he left the Army and when he got hired at Booz was a stint as a security guard, you still have to acknowledge that the man has admitted to planning to gain employment there for the sole purpose of stealing national secrets.

276 Lidane  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:57:12am

re: #275 Targetpractice

you still have to acknowledge that the man has admitted to planning to gain employment there for the sole purpose of stealing national secrets.

That’s why he’s not a clearance failure! He admitted his plans and they cleared him anyway!

/////

277 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:06:02am

Has anyone done a study to see whether it’s actually been financially more expedient to create USIS and let it handle this job or to have left the system alone the way it was before USIS was created? I’d almost bet that this is costing the taxpayers a freaking bundle and we’re not getting anywhere close to our money’s worth.

278 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:09:26am

re: #267 Gus

[Embedded content]


[Jumps out window.]

I’m right behind you. : )

279 BishopX  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:12:15am

re: #277 A Mom Anon

My bet is that they’re paying for scalability. Clearance review is labor intensive, so if you suddenly need to accommodate a 20% increase secret clearances a federal agencies wouldn’t be able to handle that, while a private contractor probably could.

It’s another question of whether UCIS is worthless.

280 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:17:15am

re: #279 BishopX

I thought I had read somewhere that USIS was actually the old government agency that did this, and it’s resources were sold to some business group who privatized it. I read a lot though so I may have that wrong. Even so, if the government needs more background checkers then why not hire them to work for the government if you can prove it’s a better use of funds? I know the usual suspects would bitch, but if you can prove it’s a better deal why not?

281 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:19:25am

re: #280 A Mom Anon

Also, is it really mandatory that so many people have top level clearances? I thought the point of top secret was not a lot of people knowing or having access to something.

And yes, my tiny little blue collar head has trouble wrapping my head around the whys and wherefores of this whole mess.

282 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:22:03am

re: #280 A Mom Anon

I thought I had read somewhere that USIS was actually the old government agency that did this, and it’s resources were sold to some business group who privatized it. I read a lot though so I may have that wrong. Even so, if the government needs more background checkers then why not hire them to work for the government if you can prove it’s a better use of funds? I know the usual suspects would bitch, but if you can prove it’s a better deal why not?

Because if you hire them directly onto the federal payroll it can be hard get rid of them later when their are no longer needed. That sort of federal job really isn’t set up to be temporary.

283 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:23:05am

re: #280 A Mom Anon

From what I read about it in the last few days, yes, that’s the case.

USIS is a part of Altegrity Inc., a company headquartered in the Falls Church, VA area that is owned by Providence Equity Partners LLC.

284 sagehen  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:23:48am

re: #280 A Mom Anon

I thought I had read somewhere that USIS was actually the old government agency that did this, and it’s resources were sold to some business group who privatized it. I read a lot though so I may have that wrong. Even so, if the government needs more background checkers then why not hire them to work for the government if you can prove it’s a better use of funds? I know the usual suspects would bitch, but if you can prove it’s a better deal why not?

How many people need background checks changes from year to year; federal employees have civil service protection so it’s hard to scale down when there’s not a lot of work needs doing. A private company can hire and fire as workload varies.

285 SnowdenBaggerVance  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:24:19am

Private Sector = good
Federal Government = evil

286 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:26:18am

re: #285 SnowdenBaggerVance

My life experiences up to now have given me the opposite view.

287 BishopX  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:26:53am

re: #280 A Mom Anon

You’re right, it was formed in 96 after the federal government privatized that function at Al Gore’s behest.

I guess we can blame Al Gore for Snowden now…

288 SnowdenBaggerVance  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:27:59am

re: #286 ProTARDISLiberal

My life experiences up to now have given me the opposite view.

You’re not listening to enough Propaganda Radio like a good little conservative.

CONSUME

289 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:30:35am

re: #287 BishopX

You’re right, it was formed in 96 after the federal government privatized that function at Al Gore’s behest.

I guess we can blame Al Gore for Snowden now…

No, blame the lack of oversight that allowed those doing the checks to slack off. Had they maintained tight standards. they would have put the boot heel to Snowden’s security clearance.

291 blueraven  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:40:14am

re: #138 darthstar

Oh, for fuck’s sake, he said something stupid on twitter and apologized. Given the character limitations (hello? Greenwald?), shit will happen from time to time. I say stupid shit here, and we have far more than 140 characters to play with.

Anyway, Allen’s basically a good guy, as far as I can tell. I hope he lets this SCANDALOUS CONTROVERSY!!!11ty!!! blow over as soon as possible.

Maybe he is a good guy . I have no idea. However, it wasn’t just one extremely vile tweet. Looks like he has a habit of them.
Yes, we all say dumb things at times, but before he thought better of it, he doubled down.
My policy is to be as tough or tougher on “my side”.
If some asshole had posted something even close to this about Obama’s kids or any democrat officials kids, we would be all over it and you know it.

This will blow over, because in the scheme of things it isn’t important. But he doesn’t deserve a pass either.

292 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:57:37am
293 simoom  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:59:11am

re: #212 Targetpractice

Yeah, Scott Rigell, my local rep who voted the previous day to cut thousands of needy folks from food stamps on, I can only assume, the basis that we need to be cutting costs. You know, because hungry people are a cost and the best way to handle them is to just ignore ‘em.

There’s actually a pretty weird aspect to the whole GOP food stamps crusade in that FOX News has been propagandizing directly to Congress. FOX has created a new “welfare queen” boogeyman with a food-stamp hippie-surfer grilling lobster, and is distributing video tapes to mainline the imagery into sympathetic congressional offices on capitol hill:

politico.com

Nonetheless, [House Majority Leader Eric Cantor] has a powerful cast of backers behind his vision of what’s being dubbed “Welfare Reform 2.0.” The Heritage Foundation, with close ties to Cantor and his top staff, has lent support in the fight. And over the August recess, Fox News aired a sympathetic report entitled “The Great Food Stamp Binge” — videos of which are now being distributed by Fox staff to House members.

POLITICO inquiries to Fox News regarding the videos have gone unanswered since Saturday. But both Republican and Democratic offices confirmed that copies have been dropped off unsolicited in recent days, and the broadcast has already provided colorful fodder in promoting the Cantor package.

For example, Fox devoted a big portion of its report to a young, single California man who aspires to be a rock musician and has taken advantage of waivers allowed during the recession that permit unemployed able-bodied adults to get food stamps even when they have no dependents.

…

[T]he young man featured in the Fox report is a political nightmare for food stamp advocates: long haired, collecting $200 a month in benefits, buying lobster for a backyard cookout, and bragging of his idle surfing days on the beach.

It’s an image so powerful that the GOP leadership eagerly speaks of him in the plural. “Newscasts tell stories of young surfers who aren’t working but cash their food stamps in for lobster,” read a recent alert sent out last week by Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy’s (R-Calif.) office last week.

294 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:00:05am

If Snowjob was making $62/hr (probably unheard of for the same tasks at the public level, I wouldn’t doubt), what are those in a higher pay grade or with more education and experience making? Contracting companies also add their expenses to the hourly rate , so I wouldn’t doubt that Snowjob was costing the Feds anywhere up to $100/hr. I’ve worked temp jobs in the past, and it’s exactly what those agencies did. For example, if I made $10/hr, paid by the agency, they were charging $15/20/hr to the company. And there were no benefits, unless you worked for the temp agency for a pretty good while, which few did.

Snowjob had no college degree in any area of IT, not even a 2 yr Associates, nor the requisite experience (except for a stint at Dell, and they’re not talking about his job description).

I know there are quite a few nerdy people here who would probably love to make $62/hr, and have not only the degree, but the experience to back it up.

295 Interesting Times  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:01:48am

re: #291 blueraven

My policy is to be as tough or tougher on “my side”.

Aside from the nastiness of what he said, I want to smack him upside the head for the sheer stupidity - how can any Democrat/progressive/liberal not know by now that the useless corporate media carries water for republicans and always, always, ALWAYS elevates bad things said by Democrats while minimizing, excusing, or justifying far worse things said by GOPers? How can they not know that wingnuts love it when Dems say nasty things, because then they hold them up like a martyr’s badge of honor and claim:

durr hurr this one bad thing said by this one obscure democrat totally erases every bad thing ever said or done by a GOPer for all eternity!!1!ty

So, knowing the deck is stacked against you in such a manner, why on earth would anyone be dumb enough to give these people the ammunition to shoot them with? o_O

296 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:04:05am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

Yes, I suppose, the problem is, treating all this as a profit making venture means corners are going to be cut. That’s kinda what I’m getting at here. There has to be some middle ground to all this privatizing the government. There’s countless examples of contractors not doing what they were hired to do, padding their expenses to the tune of millions, even creating dangerous situations for the people they’re supposed to be serving (those electrified showers via Halliburton in Iraq for example). It’s out of control, we could reign some of this in.

297 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:04:18am

re: #293 simoom

There’s actually a pretty weird aspect to the whole GOP food stamps crusade in that FOX News has been propagandizing directly to Congress. FOX has created a new “welfare queen” boogeyman with a food-stamp hippie-surfer grilling lobster, and is distributing video tapes to mainline the imagery into sympathetic congressional offices on capitol hill:

politico.com

“An Aug. 22 letter from Kevin Concannon, under secretary for food, nutrition and consumer services, to Will Lightbourne, director of the California Department of Social Services, captures this mood.

“Any individual that is capable of finding and keeping a job but chooses not to do so while simultaneously receiving taxpayer-funded benefits, should be of concern,” Concannon wrote. “A recent report of a jobless individual receiving SNAP benefits in Southern California, for example, paints an inaccurate picture of the vast majority of SNAP participants in California and across the United States — children, the elderly, the disabled and working families — that play by the rules and depend on SNAP as a critical, temporary safety net.”

“While such an individual is technically and legally able to access nutrition assistance, there can be no doubt that continued participation without a commensurate commitment to find employment is inconsistent with SNAP’s mission and purpose in providing a temporary safety net for those who truly need help.”

Read more: politico.com

298 Interesting Times  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:07:56am

re: #297 Justanotherhuman

How do we even know this hippie-surfer character is real, and not some idiot bought off or paid off by a koch front group to pull this stunt? I wouldn’t put it past them at all, because they really are that evil and dishonest (and the chuck todds of the world are all too happy to help them out)

299 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:12:48am

re: #298 Interesting Times

How do we even know this hippie-surfer character is real, and not some idiot bought off or paid off by a koch front group to pull this stunt? I wouldn’t put it past them at all, because they really are that evil and dishonest (and the chuck todds of the world are all too happy to help them out)

Oh, I think he’s real, since SNAP fraud really does exist. The error is to take such cases of fraud for the baseline. The correct policy is oversight to ensure monies spent are being used as intended. But oversight isn’t ‘sexy’ enough to make the news, so instead FNC went for a big DERPy splash.

300 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:12:56am

Ah, here’s what the terrorists were asking victims…

telegraph.co.uk

Witnesses gave a dramatic account of how they survived the massacre.

“I hid under a car with my daughters, and I saw the men line up maybe 40 people and ask them who was Muslim, and if they were, to prove it by saying the name of the Prophet’s mother. Those who got it wrong were shot,” said Charles Karani, 41, an IT engineer.

301 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:13:53am

re: #255 Targetpractice

Always been excited for new appliances since I was a kid. “Ooh, new features. Oooh, so much more room. Ooh, it’s so much faster/quieter/cleaner.”

Yeah, the “new” eventually wears off, but it’s still fun for a little while.

For me it’s the “clean” factor.
Alas, that eventually wears off, too…

302 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:14:31am

re: #296 A Mom Anon

Yes, I suppose, the problem is, treating all this as a profit making venture means corners are going to be cut. That’s kinda what I’m getting at here. There has to be some middle ground to all this privatizing the government. There’s countless examples of contractors not doing what they were hired to do, padding their expenses to the tune of millions, even creating dangerous situations for the people they’re supposed to be serving (those electrified showers via Halliburton in Iraq for example). It’s out of control, we could reign some of this in.

There were plenty of examples during the Bush regime about exactly that. Invoices submitted where either no work was done, or no orders filled.

Pallets of billions of dollars dropped in Iraq which were siphoned off not only by contractors, but also by military members who simply had to ask an enlisted “gatekeeper” for the key to the loot, with which they were allegedly paying Iraqi and other “contractors” for work performed. Much of it never got to those people, and there was never an accounting of $9B of the cash. It was a blueprint for outright theft.

Billions over Baghdad

vanityfair.com

Sorry about leaving out the link earlier. : (

303 allegro  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:14:45am

re: #298 Interesting Times

How do we even know this hippie-surfer character is real, and not some idiot bought off or paid off by a koch front group to pull this stunt? I wouldn’t put it past them at all, because they really are that evil and dishonest (and the chuck todds of the world are all too happy to help them out)

I’ve been thinking the same thing ever since I heard about it. It has the O’Keefe and friends fraud brand all over it.

304 ObserverArt  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:15:34am

Anyone know if Greenwald has dual citizenship, or what his status is in Brazil? I am gathering that is home base, but does he call it home legally in any manner? Does he stay for any periods of time in the U.S. or only stops in when he has a gig to yak at?

I’m just wondering how much heat he has built for himself in this country and if he is getting to the point some U.S. agencies may be looking to talk to him. It has got to be testy.

305 Interesting Times  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:17:13am

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

Oh, I think he’s real, since SNAP fraud really does exist.

At a ridiculously small rate of 3% if that:

FACT: “SNAP has one of the most rigorous quality control systems of any public benefit program,” according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. SNAP fraud has actually been cut by three-quarters over the past 15 years, and the program’s error rate is at an all-time low of less than 3 percent. The introduction of EBT (Electronic Benefit Transfer) cards has dramatically reduced consumer fraud. According to the USDA, the small amount of fraud that continues is usually on the part of retailers, not consumers.

…which automatically makes people who kick up a fuss about it disingenuous and evil, since defense contractor fraud is several orders of magnitude worse and costs taxpayers billions upon billions.

306 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:18:03am

re: #297 Justanotherhuman

OFFS I am so sick of this crap. Every system in the world has a few morons and cheats willing to game the system. That is NO reason at all to slash and burn an entire program to punish everyone using it. It’s not only unfair, it’s a freaking lie.

Notice we NEVER see people who are using the system by the rules and hearing their stories of what they wish they had or could to vs their current reality. I can assure anyone reading this, that the vast majority, well over 95 percent, of people on government assistance don’t want to be there and would like better education, a better job, to not be disabled so they could do that dream job. Seriously, 200 dollars a month on food stamps is living the good life? Really?

And again, all this “welfare check” bullshit, is just that, bullshit. You have to have a job, an actual workplace to go to in order to collect that”government check” and you can only collect it for a grand total of 3 years your entire adult life. Food stamps (an entirely different animal that gets lumped in with “welfare”),spent on lobster or soup and crackers, still goes right back into the local economy. Surfer dude most likely is either a trust fund baby, a right wing bullshitter, or someone who crashes on couches and doesn’t care if he has a lot materially in the first place. Start showing me the single mom in Appalachia who’s husband committed suicide and left her with three kids under age 10 to figure out how to feed when the nearest job is 75 miles away and her car is falling apart, or the senior citizen who’s pension was cut or stolen entirely by a greedy company who doesn’t care that this person gave 40 yrs on the job to them.

This country needs to grow the fuck up and everyone needs to tend to their own backyards before they go feeling so fucking superior because they got theirs.

307 blueraven  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:19:00am

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

Oh, I think he’s real, since SNAP fraud really does exist. The error is to take such cases of fraud for the baseline. The correct policy is oversight to ensure monies spent are being used as intended. But oversight isn’t ‘sexy’ enough to make the news, so instead FNC went for a big DERPy splash.

What they want is to “punish” the poor takers, to impress the base. Meanwhile, the rich get richer and we all pay for it.

308 Political Atheist  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:22:27am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

No, blame the lack of oversight that allowed those doing the checks to slack off. Had they maintained tight standards. they would have put the boot heel to Snowden’s security clearance.

Yes. It’s about consistent strict oversight. We all have examples of government and corporate mismanagement, or corruption, or runaway spending. One or the other has no inherent management advantage. That come by regulation, policy and diligence by those involved. From the Post Office to GM to Apple, to the Pentagon, SSA, you name it.

The best argument is how do we get effective management & regulation. Not some assumption of corporate or government competence that all too often becomes square peg vs round hole. If the private guys are ex government professionals they might do a great job. If they are inexperienced slackers, government or private won’t matter.

Sometime the market does provide excellent controls. No intervention necessary. One humorous example is jewelry manufacturing “waste”. Like the grindings and polishing debris from making rings. Some of that is hazardous by way of tiny metal particles that can be inhaled.

You might think OSHA needs to be watching make sure shop employees are not harmed. No not in this admittedly rare instance-. That “waste” is worth so much money that our industry taught the safety equipment industry how to really collect dust from a mfg facility.

309 bratwurst  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:22:33am

re: #305 Interesting Times

At a ridiculously small rate of 3% if that:

So you are saying it is a LOT more pervasive than the “voter fraud” that the GOP is also crusading against?

310 ObserverArt  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:26:42am

re: #306 A Mom Anon

OFFS I am so sick of this crap. Every system in the world has a few morons and cheats willing to game the system. That is NO reason at all to slash and burn an entire program to punish everyone using it. It’s not only unfair, it’s a freaking lie.

…snip…

Of course they lie. They do it because they’re put into office by people that want to believe the lie and buy the lie no matter the facts say it is crazy talk. Lies are good. They want their congress idiot to lie.

The politicians frustrate me. But what really frustrates me is our citizenship is ignorant and wants to be. Look at all the fact less bullshit they foist on everyone. If we had any actual intelligence in this country you’d never be able to float this crap.

311 bratwurst  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:33:30am
312 sagehen  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:38:23am

re: #304 ObserverArt

Anyone know if Greenwald has dual citizenship, or what his status is in Brazil? I am gathering that is home base, but does he call it home legally in any manner? Does he stay for any periods of time in the U.S. or only stops in when he has a gig to yak at?

I’m just wondering how much heat he has built for himself in this country and if he is getting to the point some U.S. agencies may be looking to talk to him. It has got to be testy.

Does Brazil have legal same-sex marriage? ‘Cause supposedly the reason he moved there was to live with the guy that Immigration wouldn’t let him bring here.

313 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:39:14am

Grump. First day of duck season in Wisconsin and no money for license & duck stamp. Phooey. Admittedly, I spent it on stuff to get ready for deer season but still… :(

314 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:40:50am

re: #313 William Barnett-Lewis

Grump. First day of duck season in Wisconsin and no money for license & duck stamp. Phooey. Admittedly, I spent it on stuff to get ready for deer season but still… :(

Youtube Video

315 sagehen  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:41:25am

re: #306 A Mom Anon

Or the 170,000 veterans who are scraping by with the help of food stamps because the VA is so far behind processing claims for educational benefits, disability, pensions, etc.

316 ObserverArt  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:45:34am

re: #314 Arrrr, matey!

[Embedded content]

I knew that had to be a Looney Tunes Cartoon without opening the YouTube video box.

But, they are always worth a watch even it is for the 1,345th time!

317 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:52:40am

re: #315 sagehen

Exactly. I swear to god, this country has become a haven for mean spirited pessimistic assholes. I know the world sucks sometimes, life isn’t fair, and it’s rare when everything works out. But for the love of all things unholy, just once I’d like to see stories about how all these government programs WORK. Because overall, when properly funded and staffed, they DO work.

It’s also incredibly shameful that military families are even ON food stamps. And I have YET to hear one wingnut stand up and say that’s wrong and needs to change and then try to DO something about it. Same goes for the words homeless and veteran, the fact that those words ever appear next to each other should be the next big cause for those troop loving conservatives. Raise their god damned pay, it’s not like the defense budget is in trouble. But no, let’s shit on poor people some more because it’s just the life of luxury to figure out how to feed a family on 10K a year. If these knuckledragging assclowns spent half the time working to solve any of those aforementioned problems as they do hating everyone we’d be lots better off.

This is what happens when it’s raining like crazy and I can’t get my daily hike in, lol, I get a little cranky.

318 Decatur Deb  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 1:22:02pm

re: #293 simoom

There’s actually a pretty weird aspect to the whole GOP food stamps crusade in that FOX News has been propagandizing directly to Congress. FOX has created a new “welfare queen” boogeyman with a food-stamp hippie-surfer grilling lobster, and is distributing video tapes to mainline the imagery into sympathetic congressional offices on capitol hill:

politico.com

$200/30 days = not much lobster.


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