Kenyan Mall Hostage Situation Continues, Death Toll Reaches 68

Terror in Nairobi

The standoff in Nairobi continues, as at least 10 Al Shabaab terrorists remain holed up in the Westgate shopping mall and the death toll has climbed to 59.

NAIROBI, Kenya — The deadly siege at a mall in Nairobi continued Sunday, as the Kenyan government struggled with the question of whether to storm the Shabab militant attackers still holed up inside or keep trying to free people trapped inside after more than 24 hours.

There were signs that Kenyan forces had begun to take steps against the hunkered-down assailants. Helicopters continued to circle the mall, and the National Disaster Operation Center said on Twitter Sunday evening after sunset: “Godspeed to our guys in the Westgate building. Major engagement ongoing. Sporadic gunfire.”

“Kenyan forces who’ve just attempted a roof landing must know that they are jeopardising the lives of all the hostages at #Westgate,” read a Twitter post attributed to the Shabab on Sunday night. “The Kenyan government shall be held responsible for any loss of life as a result of such an imprudent move.”

Yes, that’s right — Al Shabaab is back on Twitter.

And according to AFP, the death toll is continuing to climb:

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275 comments

1 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:23:37am
The Kenyan government shall be held responsible for any loss of life as a result of such an imprudent move.

Oh, blow me, you vicious asshole. If they didn’t storm it’s not as if those hostages were going to live.

DARVO to the max.

2 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:24:25am

Friend just posted on Facebook that an American has been killed in the Kenya Mall attack, one American woman, the wife of a US diplomat working for USAID

3 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:26:07am

Also, it appears as if the authorities aren’t even sure how many terrorists are holed up there, not to mention how many hostages

4 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:26:49am

They certainly got a bunch of high value targets. The mall is known as a hangout for Westerners and diplomats but the President’s fiancés? Did they get lucky or did they have some knowledge of who would be there?

5 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:28:49am

LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!!!

6 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:29:07am

Looks like the al Shabaab twitter account has been suspended again.

@HSM_PRESS2 (Msg): “Sorry, that user is suspended.”

7 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:29:32am

Stephen Hunter wrote a novel 3 years ago, about something like this happening at a mall in Minnesota.

8 Dr. Matt  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:31:52am

A friend on facebook said that the weekend edition of Foxtards and Friends blamed Obama for the attacks. Anyone else see this?

9 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:32:44am

Some new video from inside the grocery store when the attack started.
Youtube Video
No graphic images but you can hear lots of gunfire

10 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:33:36am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

A friend on facebook said that the weekend edition of Foxtards and Friends blamed Obama for the attacks. Anyone else see this?

Wouldn’t surprise me. In fact, now that word’s coming out an American is among the dead, look for a lot of crowing about how BENGHAZI has made Americans less safe abroad.

11 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:34:22am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Some new video from inside the grocery store when the attack started.
[Embedded content]


No graphic images but you can head lots of gunfire

Interesting mistake!! Freud would have a field day with it
/

12 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:34:37am

Pamela Geller and Bryan Fischer are ululating about “typical Muslims”

13 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:35:40am

re: #11 sattv4u2

Interesting mistake!! Freud would have a field day with it
/

How do you feel about that?

14 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:36:27am

re: #13 b_sharp

How do you feel about that?

Sometimes a head is just a head

15 Kragar  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:36:36am

Looks like Al Shabaab has been taking media spin lessons from the GOP.

16 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:37:16am

Lest you think the wingnuts weren’t going to politicize this:

17 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:37:31am

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

Pamela Geller and Bryan Fischer are ululating about “typical Muslims”

Yes, because what’s happening in Kenya is what all “devout Muslims” aspire to. //

18 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:37:41am

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

Pamela Geller and Bryan Fischer are ululating about “typical Muslims”

Not to mention that “electrotek” troll who comes here to post Islamophobic comments.

19 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:38:04am

re: #11 sattv4u2

Interesting mistake!! Freud would have a field day with it
/

oops, fixed. Thanks

20 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:38:44am

re: #14 sattv4u2

Sometimes a head is just a head

I get that.
When I’m good.

21 Carlos Danger  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:39:28am

re: #16 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m not even sure these guys can even place Kenya on a map.

22 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:40:50am

re: #18 Vicious Babushka

Not to mention that “electrotek” troll who comes here to post Islamophobic comments.

I’m Islamophobic because I hate takfiri terrorists who also want me dead because I belong to a sect that they refer us as “heretics”?

I’m sorry if I’m Islamophobic if I happen to be against the counter-jihadi trash and also against Islamic extremists as well /facepalm

23 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:40:57am

re: #20 b_sharp

I get that.
When I’m good.

So,,, never!

24 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:42:11am

re: #21 Carlos Danger

Isn’t Kenya up north where they play all that hockey?

25 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:43:44am

re: #23 sattv4u2

So,,, never!

Yah.
Sad.

26 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:43:55am

re: #15 Kragar

Looks like Al Shabaab has been taking media spin lessons from the GOP.

Maybe they will show up in that fever swamp hashtag for banned far right trolls.

27 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:44:47am

re: #17 CuriousLurker

Yes, because what’s happening in Kenya is what all “devout Muslims” aspire to. //

Because I’m sitting here tweeting & journaling between intermittent dashes to the kitchen to prepare deviled eggs, when I’d really rather be over at the nearest mall massacring dozens of innocent people. (In some people’s heads.)

28 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:45:08am

bbc.co.uk

Breaking News Kenyan officials say an operation to end the terrorist siege has begun, and that the standoff will end “tonight’”, reports AP.

29 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:45:54am

re: #22 electrotek

Go away bigot.

30 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:46:38am

re: #27 CuriousLurker

Because I’m sitting here tweeting & journaling between intermittent dashes to the kitchen to prepare deviled eggs, when I’d really rather be over at the nearest mall massacring dozens of innocent people. (In some people’s heads.)

There was a retarded Muslim blogger from St Louis by the name of Umar Lee who had praised al-Shabaab a few times a while back. Wonder what he has to say about this now?

31 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:47:13am

re: #22 electrotek

Then why are you talking trash against all Shia in previous comments as if they were a monolithic group?

32 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:47:35am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

bbc.co.uk

here’s hoping that they have intel on how many and where they’re holed up. If not, I fear that there’ll be many many more innocents killed trying to flush out the terrorists

33 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:47:36am

re: #22 electrotek

I’m Islamophobic because I hate takfiri terrorists who also want me dead because I belong to a sect that they refer us as “heretics”?

I’m sorry if I’m Islamophobic if I happen to be against the counter-jihadi trash and also against Islamic extremists as well /facepalm

You’re so utterly full of crap. You never post anything against the asshole counter-jihadi types, all you ever do is slam Muslims.

34 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:48:03am

re: #27 CuriousLurker

Because I’m sitting here tweeting & journaling between intermittent dashes to the kitchen to prepare deviled eggs, when I’d really rather be over at the nearest mall massacring dozens of innocent people. (In some people’s heads.)

I once had some online Czech Muslims tell me I was a horrible, horrible person for being a Sufi and that - of course - I’d be headed straight for hell, to which my response was (in Czech) “When you get promoted to God Himself, get back to me.”

35 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:48:30am

re: #33 CuriousLurker

You’re so utterly full of crap. You never post anything against the asshole counter-jihadi types, all you ever do is slam Muslims.

He’s not slamming the specific terror groups either, he’s slamming all.

36 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:48:43am

re: #30 electrotek

There was a retarded Muslim blogger from St Louis by the name of Umar Lee who had praised al-Shabaab a few times a while back. Wonder what he has to say about this now?

Why would I give a flying f*ck what some asshat like that has to say?

37 Dr. Matt  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:49:17am

re: #22 electrotek

I’m Islamophobic because I hate takfiri terrorists who also want me dead because I belong to a sect that they refer us as “heretics”?

They don’t know you exist, you professional victim. Change your diaper.

38 Ace-o-aces  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:49:57am

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

Pamela Geller and Bryan Fischer are ululating about “typical Muslims”

I’m sure Pammy was disappointed that the Navy Yard shooter wasn’t Muslim. Now she can release all that pent up rage in one big hategasam.

39 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:51:17am

re: #35 Randall Gross

He’s not slamming the specific terror groups either, he’s slamming all.

Exactly. All Sunnis anyway. I’ve never heard him bitch about Ahmadinejad, or Shia extremism in any form.

40 Lidane  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:51:50am

re: #22 electrotek

No, you’re Islamaphobic because you slam everyone who is a Muslim instead of focusing on the fanatics with guns.

41 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:53:09am

re: #33 CuriousLurker

You’re so utterly full of crap. You never post anything against the asshole counter-jihadi types, all you ever do is slam Muslims.

You should pay more attention next time.

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

And I have called out on the hypocrisy of Spencer and Geller who are so quick to highlight the homophobia espoused by Muslims but turn a blind eye to the homophobia by their Christian Right allies.

42 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:53:21am

re: #39 CuriousLurker

From the bigot:

Pakistani Shi’as are also guilty, kissing up to Palestinians on al-Quds Day while the co-religionists of the Palestinians by the name of Tehrik-e-Taliban continue to bomb Pakistani Shias.

Notice the term “co-religionists”.

43 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:53:49am

dammit
Navy helicopter with 5 aboard crashes in Red Sea
worldnews.nbcnews.com

44 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:56:17am

re: #22 electrotek

I’m Islamophobic because I hate takfiri terrorists who also want me dead because I belong to a sect that they refer us as “heretics”?

I’m sorry if I’m Islamophobic if I happen to be against the counter-jihadi trash and also against Islamic extremists as well /facepalm

I don’t think you or anyone would be labeled as a islamophobic for hating and deeply disgusted by blood thirsty terrorists hiding behind a religion.
Why is it always about religion? They kill in God’s name..
As bad and as ugly as it gotten these days..Boy back in the old days circa 1200-1400ad those Catholics could really fuck you up..Forget the head cut off..Oh no..That is play school to what they could do to you in Our Lord’s Name… This has been going on since the beginning of time..

45 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:57:30am
Exactly. All Sunnis anyway. I’ve never heard him bitch about Ahmadinejad, or Shia extremism in any form.

Can you show me when the last time a Shi’a blew himself up in a mosque or church or synagogue like Sunnis often do? This isn’t the 80s anymore.

Ahmadinejad is a nutjob and I for one am glad he is gone. I’d rather see Iran focus less on Israel and America and more on the enemy within, which are the Sunni extremists.

46 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:01:24pm

re: #45 electrotek

reuters.com

Is that recent enough for you?

47 Political Atheist  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:02:22pm

Hoosier! Did ya get a message from Floral?

48 A Mom Anon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:03:41pm

re: #45 electrotek

Actually, the problem is EXTREMISTS. Period. Full stop. Doesn’t matter what religion (or not) they attach themselves to. So instead of broad brushing groups of people as the problem, it could be wise to understand the extremism. That’s the heart of the darkness. If religion is involved, it’s a fucking excuse to hide behind, nothing more. You strip the religion out of it, telling one extremist from another is quite difficult. Hate is the issue above all else.

Edited to fix punctuation/grammar.

49 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:04:42pm
reuters.com

Is that recent enough for you?

Sunni mosques in Iraq and Pakistan are not bombed by Shi’a extremists; they are always by Sunni extremists angered by their betrayal.

Try again.

50 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:04:49pm

re: #47 Political Atheist

Hoosier! Did ya get a message from Floral?

No! Why is it after 5 years you don’t have my email? I turned myself blue

51 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:06:08pm

re: #49 electrotek

Sunni mosques in Iraq and Pakistan are not bombed by Shi’a extremists; they are always by Sunni extremists angered by their betrayal.

Try again.

Nice goalpost shift there.

52 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:06:20pm

re: #50 A Man for all Seasons

No! Why is it after 5 years you don’t have my email? I turned myself blue

Are you going to pass out?!?!?!

53 Political Atheist  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:06:29pm

re: #50 A Man for all Seasons

No! Why is it after 5 years you don’t have my email? I turned myself blue

Listen to your messages, Floral DL and I are all hanging out

54 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:06:39pm

re: #50 A Man for all Seasons

No! Why is it after 5 years you don’t have my email? I turned myself blue

mmm. didn’t work (hold please)

55 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:06:49pm

re: #44 A Man for all Seasons

I don’t think you or anyone would be labeled as a islamophobic for hating and deeply disgusted by blood thirsty terrorists hiding behind a religion.
Why is it always about religion? They kill in God’s name..
As bad and as ugly as it gotten these days..Boy back in the old days circa 1200-1400ad those Catholics could really fuck you up..Forget the head cut off..Oh no..That is play school to what they could do to you in Our Lord’s Name… This has been going on since the beginning of time..

When was the last time Catholics oppressed another religious group recently? The only recent time I can think of was in the late 50s and early 60’s in South Vietnam against Buddhists.

Look, I’m not a fan of ANY extremist regardless of religion or lack thereof, but many of you are in complete denial if you don’t think Sunni extremism is a huge problem. And I as a Shi’a am scared shitless of how capable Sunni extremists are in slaughtering others who don’t agree with their twisted worldview.

56 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:07:18pm

umm,,, just ,, eewwww!!!!!

Swede held for peeing on supermarket fruit

thelocal.se

57 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:07:21pm

re: #53 Political Atheist

Listen to your messages, Floral DL and I are all hanging out

Now?!?! I’m calling!

58 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:08:23pm

re: #49 electrotek

Liar

59 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:08:58pm

re: #45 electrotek

Can you show me when the last time a Shi’a blew himself up in a mosque or church or synagogue like Sunnis often do? This isn’t the 80s anymore.

From 2 days ago:

Explosion hits Sunni mosque in Iraq, killing 18

BAGHDAD—Two bombs hidden inside air conditioners exploded Friday in a Sunni mosque packed with worshippers north of Baghdad, killing at least 18 people in the latest in a string of attacks on the sect’s holy sites in Iraq.

Iraq is weathering its worst bout of violence in half a decade. Attacks have risen significantly since April, intensifying fears the country is slipping back toward the widespread bloodshed and sectarian fighting that marked the years following the 2003 U.S.-led invasion. […]

WTF, were you sleeping through the whole Iraq war? Oh wait, it wasn’t a suicide attack, so I guess it doesn’t count.

Ahmadinejad is a nutjob and I for one am glad he is gone. I’d rather see Iran focus less on Israel and America and more on the enemy within, which are the Sunni extremists.

*smh*

You know, I have friends who fought in the Iran-Iraq war and who’ve told me plenty about how thing work in the IRI, and I used to be married to a Pakistani Shia syed so go try to sell your BS to someone else. Kthxbai.

60 A Mom Anon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:09:27pm

re: #56 sattv4u2

And that boys and girls, is why you always wash your produce as soon as you get home from the store,lol.

61 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:09:33pm

re: #55 electrotek

Most of us are capable of separating extremism from religion.

And not asking what completely unrelated groups of people think about tragedies after they occur.

If you want to know what that blogger thinks, why don’t you ask them instead of posting hypothetical questions here?

62 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:10:50pm

re: #60 A Mom Anon

And that boys and girls, is why you always wash your produce as soon as you get home from the store,lol.

or buy it canned
//

Not as good ,, sure. But at least if it’s been pee’d upon, it’s the can that takes the hit, not the fruit!!
//

63 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:11:06pm

re: #55 electrotek

Gays in Russia are oppressed, murdered, and beaten regularly by Orthodox Russian Catholics. Try again.

64 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:12:32pm

re: #55 electrotek

When was the last time Catholics oppressed another religious group recently? The only recent time I can think of was in the late 50s and early 60’s in South Vietnam against Buddhists.

Look, I’m not a fan of ANY extremist regardless of religion or lack thereof, but many of you are in complete denial if you don’t think Sunni extremism is a huge problem. And I as a Shi’a am scared shitless of how capable Sunni extremists are in slaughtering others who don’t agree with their twisted worldview.

Who in the hell at this blog ever said that? Stop with the straw men already, it’s boring & unoriginal.

65 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:14:06pm
Gays in Russia are oppressed, murdered, and beaten regularly by Orthodox Russian Catholics. Try again.

Is this at the government level by Russian Catholics? The example I cited was clearly at the government level in South Vietnam. Do you even know who Ngo Dinh Diem was?

66 Political Atheist  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:15:26pm

re: #55 electrotek

When was the last time Catholics oppressed another religious group recently? The only recent time I can think of was in the late 50s and early 60’s in South Vietnam against Buddhists.

Look, I’m not a fan of ANY extremist regardless of religion or lack thereof, but many of you are in complete denial if you don’t think Sunni extremism is a huge problem. And I as a Shi’a am scared shitless of how capable Sunni extremists are in slaughtering others who don’t agree with their twisted worldview.

The delineation to me is extremist or not. The preceding label rarely matters, as the rest of us can get along without deliberate mayhem and death. I truly fear a global confrontation along that very schism in Islam. We westerners had our 100 years war. I’d like to see that lesson learned. Death and destruction are not required r desired. All that is required is room for another to thrive.

67 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:16:22pm

re: #64 CuriousLurker

Who in the hell at this blog ever said that? Stop with the straw men already, it’s boring & unoriginal.

And stop with your sectarian hatred of Shi’as, Shi’as aren’t the problem here. Al-Shabaab aren’t Shi’a and they would not hesitate to murder Shi’as if given the chance.

68 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:17:27pm

re: #65 electrotek

Yes it’s at the government level. Pussy Riot is in Jail still.

69 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:17:52pm

Well, I’m lost.

70 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:18:11pm

re: #68 Randall Gross

Yes it’s at the government level. Pussy Riot is in Jail still.

And how are Russian Catholics responsible for that?

71 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:18:15pm

re: #49 electrotek

Sunni mosques in Iraq and Pakistan are not bombed by Shi’a extremists; they are always by Sunni extremists angered by their betrayal.

Try again.

They’re all false flag ops! No real Scotsman!!

Denial. It’s not just a river in Egypt.

72 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:18:29pm

re: #67 electrotek

I think you need to learn how to recognize hate.

Starting with your own.

73 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:18:43pm

Brain scans find porn addiction

thesundaytimes.co.uk

ummm,,, bbiab ,,, I have to go check the innernetties for sumfin!!

74 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:19:10pm

re: #70 electrotek

They are in jail for demonstrating at an Orthodox Catholic Church, try again.

75 Kragar  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:19:38pm

Cruz announces plan B for defunding Obamacare: ‘Shut down the military’

“If Harry Reid kills the bill in the Senate, the House should hold its ground, and should begin passing smaller continuing resolutions, one department at a time,” Cruz explained. “It should start with a continuing resolution focused on the military.”

“Send it over, see if Harry Reid is willing to shut down the military,” he quipped.

Great plan.
///

76 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:21:21pm

re: #71 CuriousLurker

They’re all false flag ops! No real Scotsman!!

Denial. It’s not just a river in Egypt.

I never once would use the “no true Scotsman” fallacy, and while I am willing to acknowledge the fact that Shi’a militias do indeed exist (always in response to Sunni extremists butchering them), the fact is that Shi’as are not known these days to blow themselves up like Sunnis do… let alone bomb places of worship (except when the Askari shrine was bombed by Sunnis almost 8 years ago)

77 Carlos Danger  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:21:28pm

re: #75 Kragar

How to Make Fiends and Influence People

78 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:22:18pm

re: #67 electrotek

And stop with your sectarian hatred of Shi’as, Shi’as aren’t the problem here. Al-Shabaab aren’t Shi’a and they would not hesitate to murder Shi’as if given the chance.

Yeah, ‘cause I’m always ragging on Shias, as I’m sure everyone here can attest to. It’ll be interesting to see you prove that with some links to comments I’ve made denigrating Shia. I’ll wait while you go get them…

79 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:22:29pm

re: #74 Randall Gross

They are in jail for demonstrating an Orthodox Catholic Church, try again.

Oh right, I forgot… Orthodox Christians and Catholics are both the same right? /facepalm

80 makeitstop  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:23:27pm

re: #75 Kragar

Cruz announces plan B for defunding Obamacare: ‘Shut down the military’

Great plan.
///

Doesn’t this lunkhead realize that all Reid has to do is call him out for trying to defund the military?

I thought Cruz was supposed to be one of the smart ones.

81 Kragar  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:23:43pm

re: #79 electrotek

Oh right, I forgot… Orthodox Christians and Catholics are both the same right? /facepalm

Just like all Muslims are the same, right?
/

82 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:23:45pm

re: #78 CuriousLurker

Yeah, ‘cause I’m always ragging on Shias, as I’m sure everyone here can attest to. It’ll be interesting to see you prove that with some links to comments I’ve made denigrating Shia. I’ll wait while you go get them…

You accused me of being a Shi’a with an axe to grind in one topic about stupid niqaabis rioting in France which I am not afraid to express my dislike over. In effect, you have exposed your sectarian bias with such a comment.

83 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:24:09pm

re: #81 Kragar

Just like all Muslims are the same, right?
/

I’m Shi’a for fuck’s sake.

84 Kragar  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:24:12pm

re: #80 makeitstop

Doesn’t this lunkhead realize that all Reid has to do is call him out for trying to defund the military?

I thought Cruz was supposed to be one of the smart ones.

Notice he is saying the House should do this, not that he would do it.

85 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:24:47pm

re: #75 Kragar

Cruz announces plan B for defunding Obamacare: ‘Shut down the military’

Great plan.
///

Please proceed.

Seriously Ted, go with that strategy. Makes passage of every portion of the budget dependent on shutting down the ACA. Stretch out this three-ring circus all the way til next November. Your party’s implosion will make the Whigs look good by comparison.

86 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:24:48pm

I would like to report Al-Shabaab’s new twitter account. How should I do that?

87 makeitstop  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:24:52pm

DNFTT.

It obviously wants this thread to be all about it, and it is succeeding.

88 Carlos Danger  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:25:22pm

re: #82 electrotek

Axe, meet grindstone.

89 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:26:31pm

re: #82 electrotek

I’d use the pot and kettle analogy but the fact of the matter is that would be horribly unfair to Curious Lurker, since it would be implying something about her that is absolutely not true.

The only person I see trying to paint ALL people of a particular religious persuasion with a single brush is you.

90 Political Atheist  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:26:45pm

re: #67 electrotek

And stop with your sectarian hatred of Shi’as, Shi’as aren’t the problem here. Al-Shabaab aren’t Shi’a and they would not hesitate to murder Shi’as if given the chance.

Now you just lie.

Insta scroll GAZE dude.

91 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:28:05pm

I made TexMex rice bowls for dinner last night. Extra lean ground beef with taco seasoning, toss in some black beans and frozen corn, mixed with microwaved brown rice mix and topped with pico de gallo and feta cheese.

Really tasty and took all of about 10 minutes to make. Definitely a keeper.

92 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:28:47pm

re: #82 electrotek

You accused me of being a Shi’a with an axe to grind in one topic about stupid niqaabis rioting in France which I am not afraid to express my dislike over. In effect, you have exposed your sectarian bias with such a comment.

LOL, nope, what I did was recognize where you were coming from with your intense hatred for everything Sunni. You could probably get away with that shit around non-Muslims, but not with Muslims. Funny how you ignored the fact that I was previously married to a Pakistani Shia—people don’t typically marry those they have a sectarian bias again, but by all means please continue to nurse your grudge and be in complete denial about anything that doesn’t fit into your shitty, bigoted frameset.

93 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:28:50pm

But speaking of the whole showdown/shutdown business in Congress, I saw this posted in response to Paul Krugman’s latest article entitled The Crazy Party:

Paul Krugman

94 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:29:18pm

re: #79 electrotek

By your definitions and sweeping statements they would be. But extremists are found in narrow fundamentalist branches and sects, and yet you tend to make sweeping statements encompassing all muslims, sunnis, shia, catholics, etc. etc. It is the essential method of bigots to make the narrow exception the rule when they hate another group & I was merely giving you tit for tat & using your own “co religionist therefor fair to smear” logic.

95 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:29:45pm

re: #91 klys

I made TexMex rice bowls for dinner last night. Extra lean ground beef with taco seasoning, toss in some black beans and frozen corn, mixed with microwaved brown rice mix and topped with pico de gallo and feta cheese.

Really tasty and took all of about 10 minutes to make. Definitely a keeper.

Why frozen corn?

96 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:30:19pm

re: #95 b_sharp

Why frozen corn?

It only called for a half a cup, so rather than open a can, used frozen.

97 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:30:39pm

re: #95 b_sharp

Why frozen corn?

because it would have taken too long for him to plant, water, cultivate and harvest a stalk!!!!

98 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:30:59pm

re: #96 klys

It only called for a half a cup, so rather than open a can, used frozen.

Did the warm meat thaw it out?

99 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:31:06pm

re: #97 sattv4u2

because it would have taken too long for him her to plant, water, cultivate and harvest a stalk!!!!

Fixed for you.

100 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:31:15pm

re: #89 klys

I’d use the pot and kettle analogy but the fact of the matter is that would be horribly unfair to Curious Lurker, since it would be implying something about her that is absolutely not true.

The only person I see trying to paint ALL people of a particular religious persuasion with a single brush is you.

CuriousLurker simply doesn’t like me because I’m Shi’a, simple as that. It’s a shame because I actually do like a lot of her posts, I just disagree with her denial about how Sunni extremism isn’t a problem that is plaguing the planet. I can only speak of how Sunni extremism and its coddling of it by Pakistani Sunnis with an inferiority complex and willing to bend over for Saudis have helped ruin Pakistan and continues to wreak havoc across the Muslim world.

I’m willing to think that her previous marriage to a Pak Shi’a has lead her with these views now. And she says I have an axe to grind somehow?

101 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:31:33pm

re: #99 klys

Fixed for you.

thanks ,,, no offense meant

102 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:31:35pm

re: #98 b_sharp

Did the warm meat thaw it out?

Yeah, it was on the stove for about …3 minutes? Four minutes? Completely warmed through by the time I served it.

103 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:31:43pm

re: #97 sattv4u2

because it would have taken too long for him to plant, water, cultivate and harvest a stalk!!!!

Oh stop.
Her, not him.

104 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:32:34pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

thanks ,,, no offense meant

No worries. It happens a lot particularly when I’m playing video games online.

105 Lidane  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:32:54pm

re: #80 makeitstop

I thought Cruz was supposed to be one of the smart ones.

He is. That’s the sad part.

106 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:33:36pm

re: #100 electrotek

CuriousLurker simply doesn’t like me because I’m Shi’a, simple as that. It’s a shame because I actually do like a lot of her posts, I just disagree with her denial about how Sunni extremism isn’t a problem that is plaguing the planet. I can only speak of how Sunni extremism and its coddling of it by Pakistani Sunnis with an inferiority complex and willing to bend over for Saudis have helped ruin Pakistan and continues to wreak havoc across the Muslim world.

I’m willing to think that her previous marriage to a Pak Shi’a has lead her with these views now. And she says I have an axe to grind somehow?

You have done a great job of being a prick. Claiming CL hates you because of her sect has really gone over the edge.

I suggest you STFU and sit down until you learn how people here think.

107 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:34:10pm

re: #102 klys

Yeah, it was on the stove for about …3 minutes? Four minutes? Completely warmed through by the time I served it.

Sounds like a recipe even I can make.

108 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:34:47pm

re: #107 b_sharp

Sounds like a recipe even I can make.

I got $5 here says you can’t!
/

109 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:35:23pm

re: #100 electrotek

I think Stinky needs to notice this one so that we can fire up the grill.

110 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:35:26pm

re: #107 b_sharp

re: #108 sattv4u2

I got $5 here says you can’t!
/

and a frozen corn stalk

111 Interesting Times  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:35:29pm

re: #102 klys

Yeah, it was on the stove for about …3 minutes? Four minutes? Completely warmed through by the time I served it.

Oh hai I do the same thing with GOP talking points.

/Chuck Todd

112 Lidane  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:36:28pm

I am on a search for a good donut glaze. Made donut holes last night, but the glaze was off. I followed the recipe I’d found online and it ended up just being sugar water.

OTOH, I found an idiot-proof no-bake creamy pineapple pie that the boyfriend really ended up liking. I’m sure I’ll end up making it again sometime.

113 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:37:01pm

re: #83 electrotek

I’m Shi’a for fuck’s sake.

I’m nominating that for rotating title of the year..It is so freaking funny and so damn pathetic on so many different levels…Genius.
You should change your Nic to: I’m Shi’a for fuck’s sake..

114 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:37:25pm

re: #105 Lidane

He is. That’s the sad part.

Ted’s smart in the “blind squirrel and nut” sense.

115 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:38:21pm

re: #107 b_sharp

Sounds like a recipe even I can make.

It was really easy. REALLY easy.

~8 oz ground meat (I used extra lean beef, the recipe called for ground sirloin)
1.5 Tbsp taco seasoning (but hey, I used 3)
1/4 cup water (to convince the taco seasoning to mix, I used a little more)
one can black beans (rinse them to get rid of all the salt)
half cup frozen corn
one 8.8 oz package microwaveable brown rice

Microwave the rice. In a pan, brown the ground beef until it crumbles. Add water and taco seasoning, stir. Add beans and corn. Stir some more while it heats (use your judgement). Add rice and stir. Serve with pico de gallo and cheese as desired.

116 Lidane  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:38:53pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

Ted’s smart in the “blind squirrel and nut” sense.

He has better political savvy than the douchecanoe that is Texas Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst. How do I know this? Because if Dewhurst was smart, he’d be a Senator right now instead of Cruz.

117 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:39:51pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

I got $5 here says you can’t!
/

You’re on. Sometime this week I’ll take my best shot.

118 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:40:37pm

re: #116 Lidane

He has better political savvy than the douchecanoe that is Texas Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst. How do I know this? Because if Dewhurst was smart, he’d be a Senator right now instead of Cruz.

It still gets me that Cruz lucked across becoming a Senator. Ran on the assumption that he couldn’t win and was just going to end up using it to pad his resume for a future state office run. Ends up as one of the most reviled Senators in modern history.

119 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:41:06pm

re: #104 klys

No worries. It happens a lot particularly when I’m playing video games online.

“The Internet, where men are kids, women are men, and kids are undercover FBI agents.”

120 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:41:13pm

re: #110 sattv4u2

and a frozen corn stalk

I’ll grab a cob off a field of corn as I drive by.

121 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:42:46pm

re: #115 klys

It was really easy. REALLY easy.

~8 oz ground meat (I used extra lean beef, the recipe called for ground sirloin)
1.5 Tbsp taco seasoning (but hey, I used 3)
1/4 cup water (to convince the taco seasoning to mix, I used a little more)
one can black beans (rinse them to get rid of all the salt)
half cup frozen corn
one 8.8 oz package microwaveable brown rice

Microwave the rice. In a pan, brown the ground beef until it crumbles. Add water and taco seasoning, stir. Add beans and corn. Stir some more while it heats (use your judgement). Add rice and stir. Serve with pico de gallo and cheese as desired.

Thanks.

122 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:42:55pm

re: #119 Arrrr, matey!

“The Internet, where men are kids, women are men, and kids are undercover FBI agents.”

When I was actively playing WoW, a guildie everyone thought was a guy turned out to be a woman. She confessed right before getting a mic for Vent.

Then there was the asshat who everyone thought was a woman who turned out to be a guy, but they weren’t in guild.

…and then there was the guy we discovered was sent to prison for child rape. There are times I regret knowing how to use Google.

123 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:43:31pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

It still gets me that Cruz lucked across becoming a Senator. Ran on the assumption that he couldn’t win and was just going to end up using it to pad his resume for a future state office run. Ends up as one of the most reviled Senators in modern history.

I fixed it!

Edit: Fixed it again, as I crossed out the wrong word.

124 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:43:44pm

re: #121 b_sharp

Thanks.

It technically makes 4 servings, but we each had a double serving and it was nicely filling.

125 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:44:26pm

re: #115 klys

It was really easy. REALLY easy.

~8 oz ground meat (I used extra lean beef, the recipe called for ground sirloin)
1.5 Tbsp taco seasoning (but hey, I used 3)
1/4 cup water (to convince the taco seasoning to mix, I used a little more)
one can black beans (rinse them to get rid of all the salt)
half cup frozen corn
one 8.8 oz package microwaveable brown rice

Microwave the rice. In a pan, brown the ground beef until it crumbles. Add water and taco seasoning, stir. Add beans and corn. Stir some more while it heats (use your judgement). Add rice and stir. Serve with pico de gallo and cheese as desired.

Email me some.

126 Interesting Times  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:45:04pm

On a more general note:

When it comes to mass-casualty terrorist attacks, yes, of course Al-Qaeda groups and associated spin-offs are the worst. And I would classify Al Shabaab as the worst of these groups, especially for deliberately denying aid for starving Somalis.

But when it comes to threatening the future of humanity itself, US Dominionists win out, namely due to their anti-science attitudes (creationism, AGW denialism) and Ayn-Rand devotion to fossil fuel megacorps (and to come full circle, by working to keep the world enslaved to oil, they empower the very Saudi extremists they supposedly condemn - and it was Saudi extremists who committed the 9/11 terrorist attacks)

127 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:45:26pm

re: #100 electrotek

CuriousLurker simply doesn’t like me because I’m Shi’a, simple as that. It’s a shame because I actually do like a lot of her posts, I just disagree with her denial about how Sunni extremism isn’t a problem that is plaguing the planet. I can only speak of how Sunni extremism and its coddling of it by Pakistani Sunnis with an inferiority complex and willing to bend over for Saudis have helped ruin Pakistan and continues to wreak havoc across the Muslim world.

I’m willing to think that her previous marriage to a Pak Shi’a has lead her with these views now. And she says I have an axe to grind somehow?

Your whiny victimhood, lying, and denial is beyond pathetic. If you want to have any kind of respect why don’t you go read the Nahjul Balagha and try learning some adab from Hazrat Ali (a.s.)? You shame him and all the decent god-fearing Shia that I’ve known with your nasty behavior.

I’m done responding to you directly, so go ahead and make whatever other ridiculous claims you want—you’re not fooling anyone here. From now on all you’ll get from me is silent contempt in the form of down-dings.

128 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:46:45pm

So I see Wayne LaPierre crawled out of the NRA bunker yet again to declare that the problem at the Washington Navy Yard was (surprise, surprise) too few “good guys with guns.” But in one of those moments of lucidity he infrequently suffers, David Gregory pointed out that there were armed security guards at the yard and the cops were there within 2 to 3 minutes and there’s a point where the call for more guns leads to diminishing returns.

129 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:48:42pm

Tonight’s dinner is going to be butternut squash macaroni and cheese with turkey kielbasa and sauteed mushrooms mixed in.

130 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:48:43pm

re: #117 b_sharp

You’re on. Sometime this week I’ll take my best shot.

My wife’s been asking me to do that for decades!!
wait ,, WHAT !?!?!

131 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:50:51pm

re: #100 electrotek

CuriousLurker simply doesn’t like me because I’m Shi’a, simple as that.

CL doesn’t like you, because you’re: take the a, s, h from Shi’a, throw out the i, add another s, and add o l e and that why CL and everyone else doesn’t like you.

132 jaunte  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:52:05pm
133 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:52:48pm

My surprise, let me show you it.

134 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:53:22pm

re: #132 jaunte

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Thanks for the update

littlegreenfootballs.com

135 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:54:12pm

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

CL doesn’t like you, because you’re: take the a, s, h from Shi’a, throw out the i, add another s, and add o l e and that why CL and everyone else doesn’t like you.

Long tortured way of saying he/she’s an asshole.

136 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:54:57pm

re: #135 b_sharp

Long tortured way of saying he/she’s an asshole.

Is your avatar a self portrait???

137 electrotek  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:55:44pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

Your whiny victimhood, lying, and denial is beyond pathetic. If you want to have any kind of respect why don’t you go read the Nahjul Balagha and try learning some adab from Hazrat Ali (a.s.)? You shame him and all the decent god-fearing Shia that I’ve known with your nasty behavior.

I’m done responding to you directly, so go ahead and make whatever other ridiculous claims you want—you’re not fooling anyone here. From now on all you’ll get from me is silent contempt in the form of down-dings.

Well, that hit me harder than I expected.

138 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:02:30pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

Speaking of Hazrat Ali…

Imam Ali (a.s.) once said to his son Imam Hasan (a.s.):

My son, learn four things from me and through them you will learn four more. If you keep them in mind your actions will not bring any harm to you:

1.) The greatest wealth is Wisdom;
2.) The greatest poverty is stupidity;
3.) The worst unsociableness is that of vanity and self-glorification; and
4.) The best nobility of descent exhibits itself in politeness and in refinement of manner

The next four things, my son, are:

Do not make friendship with a fool because when he will try to do you good he will do you harm; do not make a miser your friend because he will run away from you at the time of your dire need; do not be friendly with a vicious and wicked person because he will sell you and your friendship at the cheapest price and do not make friend of a liar because like a mirage he will make you visualize very near the things which lie at a great distance and will make you see at the great distance the things which are near to you.

Y’all can compare that to what you see & hear in the future. //

139 Interesting Times  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:05:30pm

Never complain about the weather again… o_O

The temperature of the planet’s atmosphere is a scorching 1,000C, and it rains glass, sideways, in howling 7,000km-per-hour winds

140 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:05:54pm

re: #136 Arrrr, matey!

Is your avatar a self portrait???

Certainly.

141 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:06:26pm

re: #138 CuriousLurker

I sound like #3 from the next 4 things. Not the sellout part, but it certainly easier for me to hurt others. My ability to empathize has been reduced, and I have gotten cynical here on my dark little cloud.

142 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:07:34pm

re: #139 Interesting Times

Never complain about the weather again… o_O

“Explore strange new worlds,” indeed.

143 elizajane  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:07:56pm

re: #133 Vicious Babushka

My surprise, let me show you it.

[Embedded content]

Wait, they are FROM the U.S. and yet he thinks we should be suspending immigration? You would think that Kenya would be requesting that the U.S. suspend Muslim emigration.
I know, I know, logic is not Bryan Fischer’s strong point. And I’m sure he thinks that no Muslim person could actually be American.

144 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:08:31pm

Get hit by 4500 mph glass rain!

145 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:09:09pm

re: #139 Interesting Times

Never complain about the weather again… o_O

The blue color comes from the same concept as the reason the springs in Yellowstone appear such a vibrant blue when they’re deep.

146 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:10:44pm

One of the mall attackers lived in KCMO (IF, and it’s a big if, CNN is to be believed)

kmbc.com

147 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:10:56pm

re: #143 elizajane

Wait, they are FROM the U.S. and yet he thinks we should be suspending immigration? You would think that Kenya would be requesting that the U.S. suspend Muslim emigration.
I know, I know, logic is not Brian Fischer’s strong point. And I’m sure he thinks that no Muslim person could actually be American.

If we use Bryanlogic (which is the opposite of, you know, actual logic logic), Kenya should suspend all immigration from the U.S.

148 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:11:55pm

re: #147 Vicious Babushka

If we use Bryanlogic (which is the opposite of, you know, actual logic logic), Kenya should suspend all immigration from the U.S.

“Bryan Fischer” and “logic” do not belong in the same paragraph, let alone the same sentence, unless the words “utterly lacks any sense of” are included.

149 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:15:08pm
150 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:16:37pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

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So now we’ve become an exporter of terrorism. Joy.

151 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:17:56pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

So now we’ve become an exporter of terrorism. Joy.

So the State Department gets to put us on a few lists now. Canada and Mexico should be very concerned as well.
//

152 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:19:00pm

re: #151 Feline Fearless Leader

So the State Department gets to put us on a few lists now. Canada and Mexico should be very concerned as well.
//

We are.

153 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:20:59pm

re: #152 b_sharp

We are.

*throws shoe at b_sharp*

154 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:21:56pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

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*headdesk*

Now the wingnuts are really gonna start screaming and ramping up the hatred.

155 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:23:12pm

re: #146 Randall Gross

One of the mall attackers lived in KCMO (IF, and it’s a big if, CNN is to be believed)

kmbc.com

So what, even it’s true.

We’ve had plenty of domestic terrorists in the US, born here, who might call themselves christians, who never left the country.

But people like BF will give them a pass, even when they kill and injure hundreds of people, as Tim McVeigh and his cohorts did. And probably more who might be inclined to commit the same kinds of act, even in the name of religion and RW politics, as Eric Rudolph did.

156 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:23:50pm

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

*headdesk*

Now the wingnuts are really gonna start screaming and ramping up the hatred.

Without realizing that the hateful and hostile environment they’ve created in this nation towards Muslims is in large part why terrorism finds such an welcome audience. When you can’t walk down the street without being treated with suspicion and contempt, how are you supposed to feel any sort of loyalty and patriotism?

157 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:24:39pm

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

*headdesk*

Now the wingnuts are really gonna start screaming and ramping up the hatred.

And Peter King will call for more hearings because they provided SO much useful info the last two times.//

158 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:25:33pm

re: #157 CuriousLurker

That wouldn’t be a surprise, sad to say.

159 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:30:13pm

Good news.


Hopefully the remaining 2 will be found OK.

160 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:33:29pm

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

Good news.

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Hopefully the remaining 2 will be found OK.

That is good news; glad to hear it and I certainly hope the other two will soon be found alive.

161 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:33:59pm

The New York Giants are 0-3 and the Kansas City Chiefs are 3-0

This is why I don’t bet!!

162 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:36:14pm
163 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:36:39pm
164 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:37:56pm

According to the lists Al Shabab published there might be as many as 8 Americans taking part in the attack.

165 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:38:06pm

re: #162 Randall Gross

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Too early to celebrate, imho

“most” is good, but in that they didn’t know how many either hostages nor assailants were in there, what’s left of “most’ could be a lot!

166 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:40:05pm
The vast majority of healthcare reform is funded through what is known as mandatory spending that is not necessarily affected by the continuing budget resolution now at issue in Congress. If the government shuts down, the only aspect of Obamacare that will be defunded is the portion that is covered through discretionary spending. Affordable Care Act discretionary spending includes funding for community health centers, preventative health programs, school-based health clinics for children, rural and Indian health centers, doctor and nurse training grants, among other programs—spending that overwhelmingly benefit rural Republican districts in many states.

alan.com

167 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:41:07pm

re: #22 electrotek

I’m Islamophobic because I hate takfiri terrorists who also want me dead because I belong to a sect that they refer us as “heretics”?

I’m sorry if I’m Islamophobic if I happen to be against the counter-jihadi trash and also against Islamic extremists as well /facepalm

Evangelical Christians call me that. Funny huh?

168 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:41:16pm

re: #165 sattv4u2

Too early to celebrate, imho

“most” is good, but in that they didn’t know how many either hostages nor assailants were in there, what’s left of “most’ could be a lot!

From the sounds of it there were a lot of extra dead bodies discovered before the final assault. There’s still plenty of bad news to come.

169 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:42:36pm

re: #166 Randall Gross

alan.com

Alan acts as if this is something new or different. Remember that many of those who are supporting the defund BS are ones who also mugged for photoshoots in their districts when Reinvestment checks were cut back in Obama’s first term. They’re quick to take credit for things that they had no hand in.

170 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:44:42pm

re: #153 CuriousLurker

*throws shoe at b_sharp*

I think I ducked.

171 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:46:05pm

Crazy atheists, we are.

THE USUAL SUSPECTS
Oregon War Memorial Explosion Has To Be Atheist Terrorism, Because Duh, Atheists

wonkette.com

“A Vietnam war memorial in a park in Coos Bay, Oregon, was the target of a small explosion last Thursday; while police have not made any arrests or identified any suspects, the forensic scientists at Gateway Pundit have decided that the bombing was the work of an “Atheist Group.” Guest blogger* Mara Zebest presents her evidence-free analysis:

“An atheist group is believed to be behind an IED explosion at a war memorial cross in Coos Bay, Oregon. Coincidentally, the cross has been the recent target of lawsuits from the atheist group, “Freedom From Religion Foundation” (FFRF). If it is proven this group planted an IED, can we officially declare the FFRF group a terrorist organization? Luckily the explosion didn’t kill anyone and damage was minimal charring to the memorial.”

(snip)

“Pretty neat step — FRFF sends a letter, so obviously they are cross-bombing terrorists. Sasser also worried that the explosion could have killed or injured children playing nearby; Starnes’ column doesn’t mention that the explosion occurred somewhere between 11 p.m. Thursday and 1 a.m. Friday. (Not that anyone should ever set off a bomb in a park, of course. But Starnes is happy to leave the impression that someone set off a bomb in the daytime in a park full of kids.) “

172 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:46:39pm

Watching our latest troll in action reminds me of this.

173 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:46:56pm

re: #170 b_sharp

I think I ducked.

If there isn’t a shoe sticking out of your ear, you ducked

if there IS a shoe sticking out of your ear, you ducked, but just not fast enough

174 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:50:26pm

re: #173 sattv4u2

If there isn’t a shoe sticking out of your ear, you ducked

if there IS a shoe sticking out of your ear, you ducked, but just not fast enough

Sorry, I can’t hear a thing you’re saying. I may have something in my ear.

175 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:51:20pm

re: #174 b_sharp

Sorry, I can’t hear a thing you’re saying. I may have something in my ear.

a duck?

176 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:51:34pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

Did you actually read the article in full? Because you just repeated what Alan said.

177 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:53:50pm

re: #176 Randall Gross

Did you actually read the article in full? Because you just repeated what Alan said.

No, I just made a wild-assed guess. Sort of sad that Republicans have become so predictable now: “I hate this unless it happens in my district, in which case it’s the best thing ever!”

178 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:54:13pm
179 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:56:07pm

Ah, so. Another CNN fail?

180 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:56:28pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

I think part of the problem is animosities being carried from the old country to the new, as was conveniently & disturbingly just illustrated here upthread. People need to leave that haterade shit over there or we’ll end up being a nation of Gellers constantly snarling & nipping at the febrile hallucinations brought on by mutual fears & hatreds.

We don’t need to re-fight the Crusades here in America; we don’t need to renact the Inquisition; we don’t need to wrestle with the Sunni-Shia schism; we don’t need to import the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; etc.

We’d be behaving really, really, profoundly stupidly if we did any of those things. All cultures & religions are welcome here AFAIC, but leave your effing hate-baggage at the door. If you can’t, then you should STFU and GTFO so the rest of us can live in peace.

181 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:56:36pm

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

Ah, so. Another CNN fail?

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*facepalm*

182 Targetpractice  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:01:55pm

CNN is quickly eclipsing Faux as being the biggest joke in news. At least with the folks at FNC, you know they’re purposefully bullshitting their audience.

183 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:02:01pm

Exclusive: Al-Shabaab - ‘foreigners are not safe in Kenya’

channel4.com

“Al-Shabaab, the militant group which has claimed responsibility for the Nairobi shopping mall attack, tells Channel 4 News “if Kenyans don’t leave our land, we will wage a real war.”

184 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:03:25pm

Lol cnn.

185 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:03:37pm

re: #183 Justanotherhuman

Idiots. All this will do is rile up Kenyans and others against them. Which, at least for me is a good thing. Al-Shabaab needs to be stomped like a bug.

186 jaunte  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:03:53pm

re: #183 Justanotherhuman

“The reason why we have targeted the Westgate mall is because the Kenyans and their government have taken up arms against us, they are our enemies.
we knew most of the people there couldn’t shoot back.”

187 b.d.  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:04:03pm

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

Ah, so. Another CNN fail?

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Really? Again CNN?

188 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:05:49pm

CNN wrongnado.
Comedy Central

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:08:09pm

re: #183 Justanotherhuman

Exclusive: Al-Shabaab - ‘foreigners are not safe in Kenya’

channel4.com

“Al-Shabaab, the militant group which has claimed responsibility for the Nairobi shopping mall attack, tells Channel 4 News “if Kenyans don’t leave our land, we will wage a real war.”

lolwutf????

190 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:09:29pm

re: #183 Justanotherhuman

Exclusive: Al-Shabaab - ‘foreigners are not safe in Kenya’

channel4.com

“Al-Shabaab, the militant group which has claimed responsibility for the Nairobi shopping mall attack, tells Channel 4 News “if Kenyans don’t leave our land, we will wage a real war.”

“Our land”? Since when does Kenya belong to Al-Shabaab,?

Really—a “real war”? You mean like one where you put on a uniform and fight your opponent face-to-face instead of sneaking up on unarmed, innocent civilians and indiscriminately butchering them? Somehow I doubt it. //

191 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:16:36pm

latimes.com

Israel reportedly helping Kenya in shopping mall siege

Three Britons, two French, two Canadians, a Chinese citizen, and renowned Ghanaian poet Kofi Awoonor were also among the dead.

The number of hostages wasn’t known, and other civilians were believed to be hiding in the building. Several hostages managed to escape Sunday.

Kenyatta refused to comment on reports the gunmen were wearing explosive vests. He said it was believed that some of the attackers were women.

192 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:17:55pm

re: #191 sattv4u2

“The Israelis have just entered and they are rescuing the hostages and the injured,” a Kenyan security source told Agence France-Presse.

193 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:18:54pm

re: #190 CuriousLurker

“Our land”? Since when does Kenya belong to Al-Shabaab,?

I wonder if that’d work here? Maybe I should go over to one of the houses on the next block stick a homemade flag in the ground, pull out my scimitar, and scream at the current inhabitants, “If you don’t leave my property right now, I’m gonna wage a real war!”

Yeah, prolly not a good idea. //

194 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:23:08pm

re: #191 sattv4u2

…He said it was believed that some of the attackers were women.

Great. That wasn’t exactly the kind of equal opportunity I’d been hoping for for Muslim women overseas. *sigh*

195 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:23:57pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

lolwutf????

They’re talking about Somalia—“our land”.

196 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:25:24pm

Okay, I need to take a break from this stuff. Laters.

197 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:26:37pm

re: #195 Justanotherhuman

They’re talking about Somalia—“our land”.

well, they aren’t very good at clearly communicating that.

198 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:27:04pm

Somali al Shabaab group says Kenya can’t act on its threats

reuters.com

“Where will Uhuru Kenyatta get the power with which he threatened us?” Sheikh Abdiasis Abu Musab, Al Shabaab’s military operations spokesman, told Reuters in Somalia.

“His forces are the weakest in Africa. We have been fighting Kenyan forces for two years … If Uhuru wants peace from us, he should withdraw his troops from Somalia.”

“Shortly after he made his comments, Kenyatta told a news conference that Kenya would not relent on its “war on terror” in Somalia, where its troops and other African peacekeepers are fighting Islamist militants including al Shabaab.”

199 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:28:33pm

I saw an article earlier today that referred to Al-Shabaab as an Al-Qaeda “franchise”. Immediately I thought: “What kind of world are we living in were even terror organizations can be franchised out?”

200 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:29:06pm

re: #167 Eventual Carrion

Evangelical Christians call me that. Funny huh?

I think it’s funny how fundamentalists are so universally repugnant. If it’s only the practitioners who don’t take books of myths like the Bible, Torah, Qur’an, Vedas etc. too seriously who are tolerable, maybe these old rags shouldn’t be taken seriously at all by anyone.

201 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:33:14pm

re: #199 Eclectic Cyborg

I saw an article earlier today that referred to Al-Shabaab as an Al-Qaeda “franchise”. Immediately I thought: “What kind of world are we living in were even terror organizations can be franchised out?”

Bone up.

Somali militant group al-Shabaab formally joins al-Qaida

Al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri announces ‘glad tidings’ in video message


theguardian.com

202 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:37:00pm

Visitors take pictures of tidal waves under the influence of Typhoon Usagi in Hangzhou

news.yahoo.com

Tomorrows headline,,,,,,

Visitors mysteriously vanish while taking pictures of tidal waves under the influence of Typhoon Usagi in Hangzhou

203 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:39:42pm

The gall of this murderous dictator.

U.S. Is Asked to Hold Sudan Leader if He Visits U.N.

nytimes.com

“In March 2009, judges at the International Criminal Court ordered Mr. Bashir’s arrest, charging him with war crimes and crimes against humanity for playing an “essential role” in the murder, rape, torture, pillage and displacement of large numbers of civilians in Darfur. In 2010, the court issued a second arrest warrant for Mr. Bashir, this time on three counts of genocide.

“While he has taken some international trips since then, Mr. Bashir has been forced to skip other events abroad because of the charges.

“In July, Mr. Bashir made a brief appearance at an African Union summit meeting in Nigeria but departed after human rights groups filed a lawsuit calling for his immediate detention on an international arrest warrant. “

204 Political Atheist  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:40:29pm

re: #202 sattv4u2

Waterproof camera check. Waterproof photographer still in development.

205 b.d.  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:41:39pm

re: #202 sattv4u2

Visitors take pictures of tidal waves under the influence of Typhoon Usagi in Hangzhou

news.yahoo.com

Tomorrows headline,,,,,,

Visitors mysteriously vanish while taking pictures of tidal waves under the influence of Typhoon Usagi in Hangzhou

Haven’t they ever heard of hunkering in China? US News would have told them to hunker down at least 1,000 x by now. Also, how sad that the lines to take that picture are 20 deep. Everything in China is too crowded…..today.

206 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:43:05pm

re: #193 CuriousLurker

I wonder if that’d work here? Maybe I should go over to one of the houses on the next block stick a homemade flag in the ground, pull out my scimitar, and scream at the current inhabitants, “If you don’t leave my property right now, I’m gonna wage a real war!”

Yeah, prolly not a good idea. //

Is that like “Get off my lawn!” ?

207 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:43:10pm
A new poll done for Republican members of Congress has found huge public opposition, and solid opposition among Republicans, to the idea of shutting down the government over the issue of funding Obamacare.

In a national survey of 1,000 registered voters done July 31 and August 1, the question, from pollster David Winston, said, “Some members of Congress have proposed shutting down the government as a way to defund the president’s health care law” and asked respondents whether they favored or opposed that plan.

Overall, 71 percent of those surveyed opposed a shutdown, while 23 percent favored a shutdown. Among Republicans, 53 percent opposed, versus 37 percent who favored.

Winston found a huge gender gap among Republicans. Republican men favored a shutdown by a narrow 48 percent to 44 percent margin. But Republican women opposed it by an enormous 61 percent to 29 percent margin.

Nothing surprising here, it’s been obvious for a long time that a plurality of Republican men are simply clinically insane, dogshit human beings.

208 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:43:16pm

re: #204 Political Atheist

re: #205 b.d.

Wasn’t just the Tidal Wave that was ‘Under The Influence” !!!

209 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:46:47pm

re: #180 CuriousLurker

I think part of the problem is animosities being carried from the old country to the new, as was conveniently & disturbingly just illustrated here upthread. People need to leave that haterade shit over there or we’ll end up being a nation of Gellers constantly snarling & nipping at the febrile hallucinations brought on by mutual fears & hatreds.

We don’t need to re-fight the Crusades here in America; we don’t need to renact the Inquisition; we don’t need to wrestle with the Sunni-Shia schism; we don’t need to import the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; etc.

We’d be behaving really, really, profoundly stupidly if we did any of those things. All cultures & religions are welcome here AFAIC, but leave your effing hate-baggage at the door. If you can’t, then you should STFU and GTFO so the rest of us can live in peace.

Just keep your mutton-grabbing paws off our little game between the Provos and the Prods. We’re comfortable with the slaughter, and haven’t much else to sing about.

210 dog philosopher  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:47:27pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

Nothing surprising here, it’s been obvious for a long time that a plurality of Republican men are simply clinically insane, dogshit human beings.

hmm, remember the famous 27% who give the most wingnuttiest answer in polls?

211 dog philosopher  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:49:06pm

re: #180 CuriousLurker

haterade

is that what dittoheads drink?

212 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:52:02pm

What is this. I can’t even.

213 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:55:32pm

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

Considering it comes from WND I would look for another source to back it up.

214 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:55:54pm

How can you tell a Sunni from a Shiite from 25,000 ft at 500 knots? ‘Cause, y’know, that could become important.

215 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:56:22pm

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

What is this. I can’t even.

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Christie is currently polling highest among the likely republican’s running in 2016. To put this in context he’s polling at 17% among Reps while Hillary Clinton is polling at 65% among Dems, but still the wingnuts really want to tear him down before he can get a foothold.

Simultaneously they’re doing mental gymnastics trying to figure out how Ted Cruz can be a natural born citizen while still insisting that Obama can’t be.

216 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:56:28pm

re: #213 PhillyPretzel

Considering it comes from WND I would look for another source to back it up.

I figure that anything Bryan tweets comes from a shit source.

217 freetoken  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:57:04pm

re: #202 sattv4u2

“Tidal wave”??

More like “surge”.

218 Interesting Times  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:00:01pm

Yet another troll who thinks he knows everything there is to know about CL and can therefore put words in her mouth. 9_9 (seriously, why don’t people - especially those who aren’t here on a regular basis - have enough sense to ask before jumping to stupid and incorrect conclusions? He’s seriously claiming she’s never spent time in Muslim communities!)

219 dog philosopher  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:00:25pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

Christie is currently polling highest among the likely republican’s running in 2016. To put this in context he’s polling at 17% among Reps while Hillary Clinton is polling at 65% among Dems, but still the wingnuts really want to tear him down before he can get a foothold.

Simultaneously they’re doing mental gymnastics trying to figure out how Ted Cruz can be a natural born citizen while still insisting that Obama can’t be.

especially considering that cruz’s father was also not an american citizen at the time cruz was born (born in cuba, didn’t become a citizen until 2005 en.wikipedia.org

220 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:02:06pm

re: #219 dog philosopher

especially considering that cruz’s father was also not an american citizen at the time cruz was born (born in cuba, didn’t become a citizen until 2005 en.wikipedia.org

And Cruz padre was a Castro supporter until he had a falling out.

221 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:05:02pm

re: #217 freetoken

“Tidal wave”??

More like “surge”.

I don’t write em

I just copy/ pasted em

222 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:07:56pm

re: #221 sattv4u2

Copy and paste is my friend.

223 dog philosopher  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:08:10pm

re: #220 Decatur Deb

And Cruz padre was a Castro supporter until he had a falling out.

[starting at the age of 13] Cruz participated in a Houston-based group called the Free Market Education Foundation where Cruz learned about free-market economic philosophers such as Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Frédéric Bastiat, and Ludwig von Mises

cruz should be treated for a bad case of early teen trauma

224 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:08:14pm

re: #222 PhillyPretzel

Copy and paste is my friend.

Copy and paste is my friend.

225 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:08:46pm

re: #224 sattv4u2

lol

226 Kragar  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:12:01pm

re: #224 sattv4u2

Copy and paste is my friend.

Foster: You uh wanna do repeat?
Mac: Do YOU wanna do repeat?

227 dog philosopher  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:15:02pm

re: #224 sattv4u2

Copy and paste is my friend.

“programmers don’t type, they copypasta”

228 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:15:09pm

re: #223 dog philosopher

[starting at the age of 13] Cruz participated in a Houston-based group called the Free Market Education Foundation where Cruz learned about free-market economic philosophers such as Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Frédéric Bastiat, and Ludwig von Mises

cruz should be treated for a bad case of early teen trauma

Makes me think of that nerdy little kid at CPAC a couple years ago. He turned on them when his voice changed.

229 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:22:19pm

re: #223 dog philosopher

[starting at the age of 13] Cruz participated in a Houston-based group called the Free Market Education Foundation where Cruz learned about free-market economic philosophers such as Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Frédéric Bastiat, and Ludwig von Mises

cruz should be treated for a bad case of early teen trauma

Founded by a Skousen/JBS nut.

en.wikipedia.org

230 piratedan  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:26:45pm

a question that I have… and again, forgive me because I’m speaking from a position of acute ignorance here…

Why hasn’t there been more of an effort amongst Muslims to attempt to heal the rift between the radical Sunni and radical Shia factions? Is there any council of Muslim clerics working on this? I would assume that this wouldn’t be reported on within the US because we know just how useless our media is…. yet, is Islam doing anything to try and heal itself and if not, why not? What benefit is there in remaining this disjointed with allowing this much killing?

I say this knowing full well of our own issues, just wondering if there was anyone attempting to try and build bridges instead of bombs and wouldn’t it be in the best interests of everyone to have this conversation…. will let you guys flame me me or educate me, whichever is required.

231 bratwurst  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:33:01pm
232 freetoken  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:33:33pm

re: #230 piratedan

First thing that comes to mind is whether ideology is a cause of violence, or rather, are religious labels merely the fig leaves behind which humans hide.

233 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:36:18pm

re: #231 bratwurst

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4 teams

12 games played

a total of 3, repeat,, 3 wins

234 piratedan  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:37:29pm

re: #232 freetoken

a good question, but it’s not as if we haven’t seen the issues with sectarian violence between Protestants and Catholics to understand that there really aren’t any winners in this scenario, just certain people using other people and their beliefs to turn us all against each other.

235 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:39:50pm

re: #231 bratwurst

re: #233 sattv4u2

4 teams

12 games played

a total of 3, repeat,, 3 wins

And two of those wins were only because the teams played each other in two of the games!!

236 b.d.  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:40:19pm

re: #231 bratwurst

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The Giants should put Putin in as quarterback.

237 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:42:16pm

re: #233 sattv4u2

4 teams

12 games played

a total of 3, repeat,, 3 wins

NFC North is almost as weird:
Mn 0-3
GB 1-2
Det 2-1
Ch 2-0 (But Pitt is desperate. 2-1 by Monday morning.)

So, how about that English Premier League eh? Man City over Man U 4 - 1 & Arsenal over Stoke City 3 - 1!

;)

238 freetoken  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:42:56pm

re: #234 piratedan

There is no end of groups of people all around the world, killing other groups of people.

I repeat what I have written before: we are a violent and aggressive species.

If you look at these group violent acts, I suggest almost always you’ll find leaders, people who are good at manipulating others, who have succeeded in convincing others to do violent acts. The reasons are probably many, but one of them always seems to be that the acts make the leaders even more in a position of dominance (control.)

This is analogous to how entire nations can be led to war by a few individuals in the right places in the power structure. The nation has to be open to the idea, but given enough time and money good propagandists can accomplish much.

Having said all of that, it doesn’t get us any closer to resolving how to keep small groups from going violent and massacring others.

239 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:44:09pm

re: #237 William Barnett-Lewis

Ch 2-0 (But Pitt is desperate. 2-1 by Monday morning.)

They can be as desperate as they want, but what they need is a running game, and a passing game. So far this year, they have neither!!

240 Gus  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:44:53pm

First day of Fall (blech), it’s Sunday, tomorrow is Monday, and the Emmy awards are on. Can’t get more depressing than that.

241 sagehen  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:47:22pm

re: #232 freetoken

First thing that comes to mind is whether ideology is a cause of violence, or rather, are religious labels merely the fig leaves behind which humans hide.

The Troubles in Ireland had nothing to do with religion.

There’s historic reasons why most of the people on one side are Catholic, and most of the people on the other side are Protestant, and certainly when they yelled at each or yelled about each other religious epithets were used… but the dispute had nothing to do with theology. It was about which nation’s government should hold sway over a particular piece of territory.

242 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:50:27pm

re: #240 Gus

First day of Fall (blech), it’s Sunday, tomorrow is Monday, and the Emmy awards are on. Can’t get more depressing than that.

I heard stories that they were going with that configuration. Didn’t know they implemented it yet

Thanks for the info !!!
/

243 dog philosopher  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:50:53pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

Founded by a Skousen/JBS nut.

en.wikipedia.org

this article is a great example of how wikipedia can easily be abused

244 freetoken  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:52:03pm

re: #242 sattv4u2

We could go back to a lunar calendar and one very long 28 day “week”.

Just think - no more Mondays.

245 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:53:10pm

re: #240 Gus

First day of Fall (blech), it’s Sunday, tomorrow is Monday, and the Emmy awards are on. Can’t get more depressing than that.

I like fall. My favorite season.

246 freetoken  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:54:33pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

I like fall. My favorite season.

It means we have only 93 more shopping days till Christmas.

247 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:56:28pm

re: #244 freetoken

We could go back to a lunar calendar and one very long 28 day “week”.

Just think - no more Mondays.

Fat lotta good that does me, regularly working Saturdays and/ or Sundays (not to mention any other day that ends in “Y”)

248 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:58:04pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

I like fall. My favorite season.

I do too

When we go to our place near the ocean in South Carolina,,, the summer crowds have already left. The Snow Birds haven’t arrived yet. The weather is still good enough for the beach and golf

249 freetoken  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:59:57pm

Another one to file under not-really-a-revelation:

Montgomery students say they barely study for math finals

More than most subjects, “cramming” doesn’t really work for mathematics. As one of the youngsters quoted in the article says:

Ronald Lagos, 15, recalled that for his geometry final, he studied perhaps 15 minutes but said he felt he had kept up with the subject throughout the course. “I don’t study at the last minute; I study the whole year,” he said.

Ronald passed the exam, he said. One of Ronald’s friends, 14, was not as fortunate, saying that he did not pay full attention in class.

250 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:00:38pm

So the SF 49ers, who were supposed to have this unstoppable high powered offense, scored 3 points last week and so for only 7 this week with under 4 minutes to play and they don;t have the ball

251 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:02:52pm

re: #249 freetoken

As long as there are Friday afternoon pop math quizes, there’ll be prayer in school !!!

252 dog philosopher  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:03:18pm

re: #244 freetoken

We could go back to a lunar calendar and one very long 28 day “week”.

Just think - no more Mondays.

if you do that you have to have days off for pagan festivals and animal sacrifices

anybody got a goat they can spare?

253 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:03:39pm

re: #250 sattv4u2

So the SF 49ers, who were supposed to have this unstoppable high powered offense, scored 3 points last week and so for only 7 this week with under 4 minutes to play and they don;t have the ball

Meet the Colts..They will punch you in the mouth..

254 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:06:38pm

re: #253 A Man for all Seasons

Meet the Colts..They will punch you in the mouth..

Yeah. but can they take a punch? They didn’t last week against Miami,,, will they be able to in two weeks against Seattle?

255 sagehen  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:07:29pm

Is anyone else really scared of tonight’s “Breaking Bad”? How many characters are going to die, which ones, and how gruesomely? What’s the over/under?

256 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:09:40pm

re: #255 sagehen

Is anyone else really scared of tonight’s “Breaking Bad”? How many characters are going to die, which ones, and how gruesomely? What’s the over/under?

Have never watched it

257 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:10:23pm

Watching Downton Abbey Revisited.

258 freetoken  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:14:23pm

Meanwhile, over at WND their big, screaming-in-red-letters headline: BLACK-MOB VIOLENCE DESTROYS U.S. LANDMARK, by their racist-in-chief Colin Flaherty. It’s just another example at cherry picking, in this case of a particularly crime-ridden spot on a hiking trail, which WND wants to flame into some giant race war. Yes, it may be a “US landmark”, but it’s just a hiking trail, and just one spot, that undoubtedly attracts criminals because of the isolation of the victims.

259 SnowdenBaggerVance  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:17:09pm

Ron Paul: More women should sacrifice career to homeschool kids

Unbelievable. I don’t understand what so many fanbois saw in this ignorant douche.

260 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:19:19pm

re: #259 SnowdenBaggerVance

Ron Paul: More women should sacrifice career to homeschool kids

Unbelievable. I don’t understand what so many fanbois saw in this ignorant douche.

Legal weed. No tax going to ‘losers’.

261 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:20:26pm

re: #260 b_sharp

Legal weed. No tax going to ‘losers’.

Lefty Isolationists/ no war and righty small gov’t/ audit the FED convergence

262 klys  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:22:09pm

re: #259 SnowdenBaggerVance

Ron Paul: More women should sacrifice career to homeschool kids

Unbelievable. I don’t understand what so many fanbois saw in this ignorant douche.

I have highlighted the appropriate part for you.

263 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:22:21pm

re: #259 SnowdenBaggerVance

Ron Paul: More women should sacrifice career to homeschool kids

Unbelievable. I don’t understand what so many fanbois saw in this ignorant douche.

Home Schooling works because every parent is an expert in math, science, history, English, and gym… Don’t forget gym. And why is it the women who have to stay at home and learn the kids?

264 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:22:26pm

Am I the only person getting the flashing ad from Wal-mart on the bottom of the page? It is driving me crazy. Flashing ads drive me insane and should only be used for P0rn or malware.

265 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:23:33pm

re: #264 A Man for all Seasons

Am I the only person getting the flashing ad from Wal-mart on the bottom of the page? It is driving me crazy. Flashing ads drive me insane and should only be used for P0rn or malware.

yes

266 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:24:14pm

re: #264 A Man for all Seasons

I have a subscription after I sign in I see no ads.

267 freetoken  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:26:03pm

re: #264 A Man for all Seasons

Walmart is trying to sell you porn?

268 sattv4u2  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:26:43pm

re: #267 freetoken

Walmart is trying to sell you porn?

They don’t have to “try”

269 Political Atheist  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:29:02pm

re: #232 freetoken

or rather, are religious labels merely the fig leaves behind which humans hide.

I think this is it right here…

Wow bold really jumps out with this font.

270 Kragar  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:29:54pm

re: #260 b_sharp

Legal weed. No tax going to ‘losers’.

Don’t forget his specialty. Claiming his base is under attack while making their bigotry sounds its like a civil right.

271 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:30:29pm

re: #267 freetoken

Walmart is trying to sell you porn?

Minimum-wage pornstars.

272 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:31:59pm

re: #259 SnowdenBaggerVance

Ron Paul: More women should sacrifice career to homeschool kids

Unbelievable. I don’t understand what so many fanbois saw in this ignorant douche.

Parents will TOTALLY HAVE TO HOMESCHOOL when Ron Paul abolishes public education and they can’t afford private school tuition.

273 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:37:13pm

Teh Stupid. I just can’t even.

274 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:37:25pm

re: #137 electrotek

This is the only reply possible to your trolling.

Youtube Video

275 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:44:03pm

re: #155 Justanotherhuman

So what, even it’s true.

We’ve had plenty of domestic terrorists in the US, born here, who might call themselves christians, who never left the country.

But people like BF will give them a pass, even when they kill and injure hundreds of people, as Tim McVeigh and his cohorts did. And probably more who might be inclined to commit the same kinds of act, even in the name of religion and RW politics, as Eric Rudolph did.

A lot of people forget that the U.S. suffered a long, and successful, as in the terrorists won, in the past.


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