FBI Releases Video Footage of Shooter at Washington Navy Yard

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Video footage from closed-circuit video cameras shows Aaron Alexis, now deceased, at the Washington Navy Yard on September 16, 2013.

The footage includes the following:

- Alexis drives his rental car, a blue Toyota Prius, through the Washington Navy Yard main gate.

- Alexis enters Building #197 carrying a backpack. Alexis had legitimate access to the Washington Navy Yard as a result of his work as a contractor and he utilized a valid pass to gain entry to the building.

- Alexis moves through the hallways and a stairwell of Building #197 carrying a Remington 870 shotgun.

More at: fbi.gov

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144 comments

1 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:46:51am

You can feel the menace rising off him…

2 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:48:20am

It’s down right eerie.

3 Kragar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:50:59am

I’m guessing the installation will see about putting mantraps in the entry way and instituting bag checks for all visitors.

4 blueraven  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:53:01am
The following timeline details Alexis’ activity during the morning of September 16, 2013:

7:53 a.m. - Alexis’ rental car, a blue Toyota Prius with New York plates, entered Parking Garage #28 at the Washington Navy Yard, located directly across from Building #197.
8:08 a.m. - Alexis exited Parking Garage #28 on foot carrying a backpack. Alexis entered Building #197 and proceeded to the elevator.
8:09 a.m. - Alexis exited the elevator on the fourth floor and entered the men’s bathroom carrying a backpack and a clipboard.
8:15 a.m. - Alexis crossed the hallway into the 4 West area of Building #197 with shotgun, but without the backpack or a clipboard.
8:16 a.m. - Alexis shot the first victim in the 4 West area of Building #197.
8:17 a.m. - First 911 call is received from the fourth floor of Building #197.
8:20 a.m. - Alexis left the fourth floor using the stairs and entered the third floor.
8:28 a.m. - Alexis appeared on the first floor.
8:57 a.m. - Alexis returned to the third floor.
9:25 a.m. - Law enforcement shoot and kill Alexis on the third floor.

5 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:53:47am

I wonder why they released this.

To counter any conspiracy theories/false flag claims?

6 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:54:20am

re: #5 Bulworth

I wonder why they released this.

To counter any conspiracy theories/false flag claims?

Matter of public record, I guess, government facility and all…

7 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:54:23am

“Not what yall say” and “End to the torment” were on the other side of the shotgun, etched in the metal, in addition to the phrases previously reported.

There was nothing he did indicating any trouble until he went into that hall from the bathroom with the weapon…

8 erik_t  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:54:41am

I’m trying to decide how much blame to apportion to the fact that Alexis was able to legally procure all of these weapons, and how much to the fact that he was able to gain legitimate access to these and many other facilities.

I’m going to go with “yes” and “yes”.

9 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:55:07am

Hey, look! The UK is getting into Weiner-gate.

10 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:55:59am

re: #8 erik_t

I’m trying to decide how much blame to apportion to the fact that Alexis was able to legally procure all of these weapons, and how much to the fact that he was able to gain legitimate access to these and many other facilities.

I’m going to go with “yes” and “yes”.

You mean it wasn’t the Buddhist religion or video games? // But yeah, we need to do background checks on people buying guns. This guy should have never been able to buy a weapon.

11 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:56:04am

What other weapons did he have?

12 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:56:57am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

You mean it wasn’t the Buddhist religion or video games? // But yeah, we need to do background checks on people buying guns. This guy should have never been able to buy a weapon.

It was the game GTB (Grand Theft Buddhist)

13 Kragar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:57:20am

re: #11 b_sharp

What other weapons did he have?

He brought the shotgun. He got at least one other hand gun from a guard he shot.

14 blueraven  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:57:39am

re: #11 b_sharp

What other weapons did he have?

Alexis used the Remington 870 shotgun and a Beretta handgun he obtained during the course of his shooting to kill 12 victims and wound four surviving victims before he was shot and killed by law enforcement officers

15 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:58:57am

re: #13 Kragar

He brought the shotgun. He got at least one other hand gun from a guard he shot.

His shotgun had a pistol grip. That was banned under the previous assault weapon ban.

16 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:59:03am

How many shells does a Remington 870 hold?

17 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:59:20am
18 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:59:54am
19 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:00:49am
20 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:01:23am

The guy obviously had issues. We need to invest more in our mental health care system. But no the GOP thinks tax cuts above all else should be our policy.

21 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:02:34am

re: #19 Lidane

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I wish someone would smack him for that. Really Rush, a legislation that makes it easier to get health care coverage is like a system that keeps human beings in bondage? But Rush go on and tell us how you’re not a race baiting prick.

22 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:02:55am

re: #19 Lidane

Limbaugh: Obamacare may be the law of the land but “so was slavery [at] one time.”

Because guaranteeing people with pre-existing conditions access to affordable health care is just like keeping them in chains.

23 erik_t  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:02:56am

re: #15 Dr. Matt

His shotgun had a pistol grip. That was banned under the previous assault weapon ban.

By virtue of a hacksaw, it appears.

24 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:03:10am

re: #5 Bulworth

I wonder why they released this.

To counter any conspiracy theories/false flag claims?

It’s controversial.


But I think you’re right. Look at the ‘confusion’ coming from tightly held info about the Westgate Mall attack.

25 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:03:37am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

The guy obviously had issues. We need to invest more in our mental health care system. But no the GOP thinks tax cuts above all else should be our policy.

Not just any tax cuts, but tax cuts for the rich. They nearly led to a default because they wanted tax cuts for the top 1% of taxpayers. They ended up getting the Bush tax cuts made permanent for everyone but those in the top of the top tax bracket - and the GOP styles that as a loss. It’s insanity in action.

26 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:04:55am

re: #23 erik_t

By virtue of a hacksaw, it appears.

Yeah. I see that now. Nevermind.

27 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:05:34am

On a OT note, I’ve taken the first lady’s advice and have started drinking more water. No more soda for me. Oh and cucumbers are excellent garnishes. Dasani and osme of the other water companies release some good flavorings which are low n calories and chems too.

28 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:05:41am

re: #24 wrenchwench

There’s a whole lot of noise about what really happened inside the mall, just how many victims there were, how many attackers involved, and whether/where the hostages that were supposedly rescued are now.

We know that the mall sustained significant damage, including structural collapses. We know there were fires. We know that at least 60+ were killed there. We know that mopping up operations are continuing (as do occasional reports of more gunfire).

There’s a whole lot more that we will learn in coming days and weeks.

29 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:07:26am

My day has started off with cleaning up a cat accident and discovering that the remote charger cord got severed and I needed to find a new one.

I really hope we go uphill from here and not downhill.

30 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:10:29am

re: #29 klys

My day has started off with cleaning up a cat accident and discovering that the remote charger cord got severed and I needed to find a new one.

I really hope we go uphill from here and not downhill.

You have a remote charger for your cat?

31 Kragar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:11:22am

re: #30 wrenchwench

You have a remote charger for your cat?

Most cats are solar powered.

32 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:11:25am

re: #30 wrenchwench

You have a remote charger for your cat?

Hahaha, on the list of things my cats don’t need…

Want a cat? I have a problem child that could be yours.

33 b.d.  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:11:53am

re: #30 wrenchwench

You have a remote charger for your cat?

It reads to me that he has a remote charger for his cat.

34 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:11:55am

re: #29 klys

My day has started off with cleaning up a cat accident and discovering that the remote charger cord got severed and I needed to find a new one.

I really hope we go uphill from here and not downhill.

What the heck is a cat accident?

They never do anything by accident.

35 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:12:21am

re: #34 b_sharp

What the heck is a cat accident?

They never do anything by accident.

I figured it was more polite than saying I started my day by cleaning up cat piss.

36 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:12:27am

re: #33 b.d.

It reads to me that he has a remote charger for his cat.

She.

37 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:12:48am

re: #35 klys

I figured it was more polite than saying I started my day by cleaning up cat piss.

Who is your cat pissed at?

38 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:12:54am

re: #32 klys

Hahaha, on the list of things my cats don’t need…

Want a cat? I have a problem child that could be yours.

Have two already, thanks! They both barfed this morning. Par for the course for one, unusual for the other.

39 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:13:04am

re: #36 b_sharp

She.

It’s true, I am one of the fairer species of Lizard.

//

40 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:13:21am

re: #37 b_sharp

Maybe Ted Cruz was on TV at the time?

41 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:13:40am

re: #31 Kragar

Most cats are solar powered.

I think one’s thermal powered. He likes to snuggle up to me to recharge his batteries.

42 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:13:46am

re: #37 b_sharp

Who is your cat pissed at?

Apparently me.

43 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:14:29am

To be honest, I’d much rather talk about cat piss than Ted Cruz.

44 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:14:38am

re: #42 klys

Apparently me.

You must have done something.

45 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:14:55am

re: #43 BongCrodny

To be honest, I’d much rather talk about cat piss than Ted Cruz.

What’s the difference?

46 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:15:29am

re: #43 BongCrodny

To be honest, I’d much rather talk about cat piss than Ted Cruz.

Well then, I can provide!

I actually thought they had chewed through the wires for the AC/DC adapter but the cut is a little too clean so I think it got shut in the cabinet door. Hopefully I found the right $20 adapter on Amazon.

47 Flounder  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:16:15am

My cats are trained to only barf on carpet.

48 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:16:37am

re: #44 b_sharp

You must have done something.

I wouldn’t let them chew the yarn while I was working on the scarf yesterday. That must be it.

(Still watching to see how much yarn the one ingested on Monday night when I left it sitting on my desk for 3 minutes.)

49 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:16:39am

Had a cat that loved to chew threw wires, particularly mouse cords and phone cords. Nothing was more frustrating that having my computer boot up, then find out that she’d killed another mouse. Those things got expensive after awhile.

50 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:16:41am

re: #47 Flounder

You mean you can actually TRAIN a cat?!

My God…

51 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:16:52am

re: #47 Flounder

My cats are trained to only barf on carpet.

You mean that’s not a default setting?

52 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:17:49am

re: #46 klys

Well then, I can provide!

I actually thought they had chewed through the wires for the AC/DC adapter but the cut is a little too clean so I think it got shut in the cabinet door. Hopefully I found the right $20 adapter on Amazon.

Better check the location of your garden shears. You don’t want a cat walking around with them at night while you’re asleep.

53 Flounder  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:18:02am

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #51 klys

It’s all how you wanna look at it.

54 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:18:09am

re: #49 Targetpractice

Had a cat that loved to chew threw wires, particularly mouse cords and phone cords. Nothing was more frustrating that having my computer boot up, then find out that she’d killed another mouse. Those things got expensive after awhile.

When we first got them, one liked to chew on electrical wiring. Made it a point to stop that quickly (bad tasting spray) because I was worried she was going to electrocute herself.

55 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:18:10am

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

You mean you can actually TRAIN a cat?!

My God…

Got mine trained to a degree. They know the sound of a tuna can being tapped on and come running.

56 b.d.  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:18:14am

re: #39 klys

It’s true, I am one of the fairer species of Lizard.

//

1,000 apologies for the mischaracterization.

57 Kragar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:18:20am

Well, after 6 weeks, my production crew finally got me my voice to text software. Theoretically, this means I’ll be able to get a lot more of my writing done.

58 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:18:22am

re: #48 klys

I wouldn’t let them chew the yarn while I was working on the scarf yesterday. That must be it.

(Still watching to see how much yarn the one ingested on Monday night when I left it sitting on my desk for 3 minutes.)

That’ll do it.

59 brennant  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:18:35am

re: #51 klys

You mean that’s not a default setting?

Ours have three settings.
1. Claw 2. Barf 3. Shed

60 erik_t  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:18:59am

re: #49 Targetpractice

Had a cat that loved to chew threw wires, particularly mouse cords and phone cords. Nothing was more frustrating that having my computer boot up, then find out that she’d killed another mouse. Those things got expensive after awhile.

I mean, killing mice is kind of what cats do. What, precisely, did you expect?

61 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:19:20am

re: #54 klys

When we first got them, one liked to chew on electrical wiring. Made it a point to stop that quickly (bad tasting spray) because I was worried she was going to electrocute herself.

We kept a running bet on how long it would be before she fried her ass chewing threw one cord too many. All the bets were lost, however, as my old man got so fed up after one incident that she took a little trip she didn’t come back from. Never did find out who he gave her to.

62 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:19:35am

re: #52 b_sharp

Better check the location of your garden shears. You don’t want a cat walking around with them at night while you’re asleep.

They get locked out of the bedroom (and indeed, the bedroom half of the house) at night because Problem Child likes to eat hair. And meows outside the bedroom door to whine about not being allowed in to chew on hair.

In the interest of sleep and not waking up to find the cat-haircut-in-progress, they get excluded.

63 ObserverArt  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:19:43am

re: #8 erik_t

I’m trying to decide how much blame to apportion to the fact that Alexis was able to legally procure all of these weapons, and how much to the fact that he was able to gain legitimate access to these and many other facilities.

I’m going to go with “yes” and “yes”.

Don’t forget to blame all the police department to district attorney breakdowns that allowed his past records to miss all his previous misdeeds.

64 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:19:59am

re: #60 erik_t

I mean, killing mice is kind of what cats do. What, precisely, did you expect?

That she’d take the hint after she got slung across the room for the third time.

65 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:20:36am

re: #55 Targetpractice

Got mine trained to a degree. They know the sound of a tuna can being tapped on and come running.

My damned cat can count to 4. He demands I give him treats in the morning or he’ll climb on to my desk and get in the way. If I give him less than 4 he sits there and stares at me until I fix it.

66 Kragar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:20:37am

When cats hunt: What they show you vs reality


Image: 3.png

67 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:20:45am

re: #64 Targetpractice

Don’t worry, she won’t. I’ve kicked my cat off the bed HUNDREDS of times and she keeps coming back.

68 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:20:53am

re: #56 b.d.

1,000 apologies for the mischaracterization.

No worries, in general on the Internet it’s a reasonable default assumption. I just try to be clear.

69 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:21:49am

re: #59 brennant

Ours have three settings.
1. Claw 2. Barf 3. Shed

My cat has been declawed. As payback he keeps trying to peel my fingernails off.

70 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:22:04am

re: #66 Kragar

When cats hunt: What they show you vs reality

Image: 3.png

i let ignatz eat a vole indoors one day

now i know much more about eating voles than i really wanted to

71 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:22:34am

re: #61 Targetpractice

We kept a running bet on how long it would be before she fried her ass chewing threw one cord too many. All the bets were lost, however, as my old man got so fed up after one incident that she took a little trip she didn’t come back from. Never did find out who he gave her to.

Gave her to?

I don’t think so…

72 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:22:38am

re: #70 dog philosopher

i let ignatz eat a vole indoors one day

now i know much more about eating voles than i really wanted to

vole-are!

73 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:22:53am

re: #32 klys

Hahaha, on the list of things my cats don’t need…

Want a cat? I have a problem child that could be yours.

Hmmmm. 2 Greyhounds. A cat. A back yard.

Nope, nothing could possibly go wrong!

74 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:23:15am

re: #66 Kragar

When cats hunt: What they show you vs reality

Image: 3.png

My parents keep getting upset any time we let our cats outdoors and one of them chases after something, whether it be a bird, a squirrel, or the local lizard population. I just shake my head and remind that A) it’s instinct for our feline overlords and B) no amount of screaming “NO!” is going to stop them.

75 Flounder  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:23:21am

Oh no, now the singing starts…

76 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:23:23am

re: #65 b_sharp

My damned cat can count to 4. He demands I give him treats in the morning or he’ll climb on to my desk and get in the way. If I give him less than 4 he sits there and stares at me until I fix it.

Problem Child knows the sound of the Tupperware that the deli-style turkey comes in. When you open it, he comes running.

They all know that the sound of plates being gotten out of the cabinet for wet food.

I’m fairly certain Problem Child knows he’s not supposed to be on the counter, which is why we’ll routinely hear a thump when we’re out of the room followed by him walking out - and sometimes he’ll run past us like he knows he was doing something he would get in trouble for.

77 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:23:41am

HE DROVE A PRIUS!!11 TAHT PRUVEZ HE IS A LIBRUL!!!! DON’T BAN GUNZ BAN LIBRULZ!!!!11!!!!

Yes they really say this.

78 sagehen  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:24:15am

re: #45 b_sharp

What’s the difference?

opposable thumbs.

79 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:24:30am

re: #69 b_sharp

My cat has been declawed. As payback he keeps trying to peel my fingernails off.

My mother declawed her cat and her daugher-in-law (my sister-in-law) went apeshit claiming it was animal cruelty. Anyone else come across such a reaction?

80 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:24:55am

re: #76 klys

Problem Child knows the sound of the Tupperware that the deli-style turkey comes in. When you open it, he comes running.

They all know that the sound of plates being gotten out of the cabinet for wet food.

I’m fairly certain Problem Child knows he’s not supposed to be on the counter, which is why we’ll routinely hear a thump when we’re out of the room followed by him walking out - and sometimes he’ll run past us like he knows he was doing something he would get in trouble for.

Ours knows turkey…ham…tuna…wet food…dry food…just food in general. He’s got our schedule down pat, so he knows to be in the kitchen just in time for dinner and where to sit to get table scraps.

81 Flounder  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:25:54am

re: #79 Dr. Matt

I think it is mean, it gives me the willies just thinking about it.

82 erik_t  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:26:21am

re: #79 Dr. Matt

My mother declawed her cat and her daugher-in-law (my sister-in-law) went apeshit claiming it was animal cruelty. Anyone else come across such a reaction?

Absolutely. It’s functionally the removal of the first joint of each digit.

83 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:26:22am

What is the value of releasing this? I think it can feed into the desire for fame and attention.

84 ObserverArt  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:26:38am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

I wish someone would smack him for that. Really Rush, a legislation that makes it easier to get health care coverage is like a system that keeps human beings in bondage? But Rush go on and tell us how you’re not a race baiting prick.

He’s like a bad drug for his followers. He seems to have to ramp up the rhetoric to give them their fix. Shock doesn’t shock so much when they get it every day.

Hopefully he’ll just go so nuts he implodes like Mr. Creosote in Python’s “Meaning of Life.”

One thin lie may be all it will take.

85 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:26:57am

re: #79 Dr. Matt

My mother declawed her cat and her daugher-in-law (my sister-in-law) went apeshit claiming it was animal cruelty. Anyone else come across such a reaction?

If you think a cat shold be de-clawed, you should not be keeping a cat.

86 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:27:28am

re: #79 Dr. Matt

My mother declawed her cat and her daugher-in-law (my sister-in-law) went apeshit claiming it was animal cruelty. Anyone else come across such a reaction?

I am aware of the controversy over it.

Our kitties are not declawed. There may be a time or two I wish that wasn’t the case, but in general I only get scratched when they are very upset/scared and I am actively in the way of allowing them to run and hide by holding them.

87 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:27:30am

re: #80 Targetpractice

Ours knows turkey…ham…tuna…wet food…dry food…just food in general. He’s got our schedule down pat, so he knows to be in the kitchen just in time for dinner and where to sit to get table scraps.

ignatz gets to taste everything that daddy eats

this is how we found out that he really likes strawberries and grapes

88 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:27:45am

re: #57 Kragar

Well, after 6 weeks, my production crew finally got me my voice to text software. Theoretically, this means I’ll be able to get a lot more of my writing done.

“Chapter One.

“The night was…moist? Damp? Humid?

“Aw, nuts. Steamy?

*ring,ring*

“Hello? Oh, Jesus, I just gave you people fifty bucks, leave me alone. Yes, goddammit, take me off your list!! What? You too!

“Now, where was I? Oh, shit, is this thing still on?”

89 erik_t  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:28:18am

re: #85 Sol Berdinowitz

If you think a cat shold be de-clawed, you should not be keeping a cat.

Or you’re unaware of what it really means. Honest mistake.

Hooray! Lizards to the rescue. Now y’all know.

90 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:28:24am

re: #75 Flounder

Oh no, now the singing starts…

You mean squawking.

Vole-are

91 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:29:09am

re: #13 Kragar

He brought the shotgun. He got at least one other hand gun from a guard he shot.

A guard presumably trained for more than 4 hours (as they want teachers and janitors to do) to handle a gun and react to situations like this. So arming the teachers and janitors at schools is pretty much like telling the assassin “Here are a couple more weapons, you’re welcome!”.


EDIT: Fixed wording.

92 Flounder  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:29:29am

re: #89 erik_t

Just use duck-tape on their wittle paws!
/
/

93 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:30:02am

re: #79 Dr. Matt

My mother declawed her cat and her daugher-in-law (my sister-in-law) went apeshit claiming it was animal cruelty. Anyone else come across such a reaction?

They take off the digit at the first knuckle so I can see how they come to that conclusion.

94 Kragar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:30:48am

re: #83 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

What is the value of releasing this? I think it can feed into the desire for fame and attention.

They might think it would defuse some of the attempts to label the attack a false flag or to show there was only one shooter.

The Alex Jones crowd will simply says its faked by crisis actors.

95 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:31:04am

re: #88 GeneJockey

For a Throw Momma From The Train Reference I award you one upding, the maximum allowed under law.

96 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:31:12am

re: #89 erik_t

Or you’re unaware of what it really means. Honest mistake.

Hooray! Lizards to the rescue. Now y’all know.

For a lot of folks, I think it is a decision made out of a combination of ignorance and convenience.

It’s not a decision I agree with (even if the habit of kneading me with their claws when they’re happy is less than fantastic) but I wouldn’t scream at someone for it because they’ll never learn that way. In general a simple conversation explaining why will work.

97 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:31:29am

re: #82 erik_t

Absolutely. It’s functionally the removal of the first joint of each digit.

Exactly. It’s why neither of my cats is declawed. They’re indoor cats, but if they ever get spooked by something and run out of the house I want them to be able to defend themselves.

Declawing is the equivalent of removing the top joint of each of your fingers. I can’t imagine it.

98 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:31:37am

re: #79 Dr. Matt

My mother declawed her cat and her daugher-in-law (my sister-in-law) went apeshit claiming it was animal cruelty. Anyone else come across such a reaction?

Depends on the circumstances. If the cat is strictly an indoors animal, I don’t have a problem with a partial declawing (front). But if it’s both an indoor/outdoor cat, then declawing them is cruel as it removes their only real means of defense. Hence leaving the rear claws alone as even a strictly indoor cats can and will eventually get out.

99 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:31:52am

volare

1983 - grandmothers love to listen to dean martin

2013 - grandmothers love to listen to mick jagger

100 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:32:07am

re: #87 dog philosopher

ignatz gets to taste everything that daddy eats

this is how we found out that he really likes strawberries and grapes

My sister’s dog ate a grape and she went crazy, “Grapes could kill him!” She was trying to make the dog throw up and she was calling pet emergency hotlines and crying. She really thought a grape could kill her dog.

101 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:33:01am
102 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:33:17am

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

My sister’s dog ate a grape and she went crazy, “Grapes could kill him!” She was trying to make the dog throw up and she was calling pet emergency hotlines and crying. She really thought a grape could kill her dog.

Maybe it was one of those exploding grapes you hear so much about.

103 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:33:35am

re: #99 dog philosopher

volare

1983 - grandmothers love to listen to dean martin

2013 - grandmothers love to listen to mick jagger

More like:

1993 - grandmothers love to listen to mick jagger

2013 - grandmothers love to listen to mick jagger

104 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:33:48am

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

My sister’s dog ate a grape and she went crazy, “Grapes could kill him!” She was trying to make the dog throw up and she was calling pet emergency hotlines and crying. She really thought a grape could kill her dog.

I consider myself very lucky to have a friend who is a vet and willing to provide second opinions/verification that the vet isn’t screwing up for her friends. (She actively will not take friends’ pets as patients.)

It means I can save the freakouts for serious shit.

105 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:33:55am

re: #91 Eventual Carrion

A guard presumably trained for more than 4 hours (as they want teachers and janitors to do) to handle a gun and react to situations like this. So arming the teachers and janitors at schools is pretty much like telling the assassin “Here are a couple more weapons, your welcome!”.

Especially when you compare a shotgun with buckshot versus a handgun.

With the former you just point in the general direction, and you have a longish barrel to look down, and you put the other guy at the end of it, and pull the trigger.

Handguns, I discovered when I got one, are surprisingly difficult to shoot as accurately as you’d like, even at the range, with all the time in the world, and are able to take your stance. You can even cock the thing, if it’s double action, and greatly reduce the trigger pressure needed, and STILL you spray bullets.

106 Carlos Danger  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:34:16am

re: #79 Dr. Matt

My mother declawed her cat and her daugher-in-law (my sister-in-law) went apeshit claiming it was animal cruelty. Anyone else come across such a reaction?

Why do people go nuts over cats? If dogs were allowed to crap all over people’s lawns and kill birds for fun, people would shoot them.

107 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:34:44am
108 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:35:15am

re: #85 Sol Berdinowitz

If you think a cat should be de-clawed, you should not be keeping a cat.

Eh. We grew up with several cats. All them were declawed. They lived long lives and were spoiled rotten. BFD.

109 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:35:16am

re: #87 dog philosopher

ignatz gets to taste everything that daddy eats

this is how we found out that he really likes strawberries and grapes

Cats should not eat grapes or raisins. Worse for dogs, though.

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

My sister’s dog ate a grape and she went crazy, “Grapes could kill him!” She was trying to make the dog throw up and she was calling pet emergency hotlines and crying. She really thought a grape could kill her dog.

I wouldn’t freak out over one grape.

110 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:35:28am

re: #104 klys

I consider myself very lucky to have a friend who is a vet and willing to provide second opinions/verification that the vet isn’t screwing up for her friends. (She actively will not take friends’ pets as patients.)

It means I can save the freakouts for serious shit.

My best friend is not only in pharmacy school right now but she used to work as a dog groomer and with animals. Not only can I ask her questions about various medications, but if my cats do something weird I can ask her about that too. It’s win-win.

111 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:35:28am
112 Flounder  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:35:59am

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

One time I removed the net from a turkey roast and threw it in the garbage. Wouldn’t you know it, our new puppy managed to get it and swallow it. I told my wife, “I think I killed our dog” She said, “silly husband” and grabbed some hydrogen peroxide, made the dog swallow a mouth-full, and URP, up it came!

113 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:36:28am

re: #46 klys

Well, I have you beat. Wanna dog with ONE MEEELION freaking allergies and dietary issues? Sigh. I’ve posted here before about the ongoing saga of finding a food she’ll eat that has no ill effects. Thought we had found one(Rachel Ray brand, I should have known better, but she was eating…)but noooo.

Over the weekend she began losing control of her pee. Or, it’s (ick) vaginal fluid leaking. Either way, not good. It’s not constant, but she’s left a couple of big puddles behind(on the bed, yay, and on the couch), one Sunday, one yesterday. So we go to the vet this morning. I am supposed to follow her around when she goes outside to pee until I get a urine sample (since heaven forbid she’d do it at the vet’s office). That’s gone well, HA, so far my hand has been peed on and nothing went into the container they gave me. Oh goody. This is to determine if she has a UTI. If so, there’s one course of treatment, if not, another, but nothing can start til I get this sample.

But wait! There’s more… She’s also allergic to something in her food most likely. Sooo, it’s back to the food she’d been on her whole life until she turned into a diva about it. Her skin is a flaky mess, she’s got bumps all over herself, irritated ears and an irritated vulva. Yes, vulva. Seriously? Poor dog. She’s a hot mess. She’s the sweetest, most gorgeous dog I’ve ever had(GSD/ Doberman mix, both her parents were purebred from each breed), but lordgodjesushelpmeplease she’s high maintenance.

114 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:37:39am

re: #109 wrenchwench

Cats should not eat grapes or raisins. Worse for dogs, though.

I wouldn’t freak out over one grape.

I’ve had dogs that ate grapes, and dogs that ate chocolate. We didn’t know better. No internet then. Both are toxic to dogs, but neither one is like a cyanide capsule.

The important thing to remember is that anyone who tells you animals won’t eat anything that would be toxic to them is an idiot, and can safely be ignored thereafter.

115 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:38:08am

re: #110 Lidane

My best friend is not only in pharmacy school right now but she used to work as a dog groomer and with animals. Not only can I ask her questions about various medications, but if my cats do something weird I can ask her about that too. It’s win-win.

I have an aunt who covers the pharmacist angle, so I’m good there.

What I really need at this point is a medical doctor in the family, but I’m not holding my breath.

Oh, I have a sister who can spit out the specification on wheelchair access points at intersections.

116 leftynyc  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:38:27am

re: #79 Dr. Matt

My mother declawed her cat and her daugher-in-law (my sister-in-law) went apeshit claiming it was animal cruelty. Anyone else come across such a reaction?

My vet refuses to declaw - says it’s like cutting off their fingers.

117 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:38:40am

re: #113 A Mom Anon

{{A Dog Anon}} and her {{Mom}}

118 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:39:11am

re: #106 Carlos Danger

Why do people go nuts over cats? If dogs were allowed to crap all over people’s lawns and kill birds for fun, people would shoot them.

Dogs crap bigger than cats.
Dogs kill rabbits/squirrels/gophers/etc. for fun.

119 brennant  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:39:29am

re: #116 leftynyc

My vet refuses to declaw - says it’s like cutting off their fingers.

Agree. You are amputating.

120 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:39:38am

re: #113 A Mom Anon

I’m fairly certain that having to obtain a urine sample from a dog must be one of the forms of purgatory.

{{A Mom Anon}}

121 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:39:49am

re: #107 darthstar

They’ll let anybody onto that Senate floor.

122 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:40:26am

re: #116 leftynyc

My vet refuses to declaw - says it’s like cutting off their fingers.

It IS cutting off their fingers. We had one declawed cat, but he was like that when we got him.

123 Carlos Danger  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:40:54am

re: #118 b_sharp

Big difference. People don’t leave out their dogs overnight.

124 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:41:16am

I had a miniature Schnauzer that for some inexplicable reason liked food from Burger King.

I found out about onions and dogs thanks to an alert cashier; when I ordered a hamburger, plain, I said “It’s for my dog.” She replied, “I’ll hold the onions then - that’s bad for dogs.”

125 Flounder  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:42:02am

There is always nail caps
petco.com
I will stick with duck tape.

126 Mattand  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:42:03am

re: #113 A Mom Anon

Sorry to hear that. Hang in there…

127 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:42:15am

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

Snopes:

Raisins and grapes can be harmful to pets.

Status: TRUE.

Here’s a weird-but-true: Daughter’s Basset was left alone in reach of a couple pounds of macadamia nuts. When we got back, he was spread out, totally paralyzed from the ‘waist’ down. Vet Panic. Vet said it was a neuro-poison for them, but would pass. In an hour or so it did ‘pass’, from both ends, by the pound. Dog was walking normally next day.

128 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:43:06am

re: #123 Carlos Danger

Big difference. People don’t leave out their dogs overnight.

Who the hell is that barking at 3 o’clock in the goddam morning then?
//

129 Flounder  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:43:07am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

I have that problem with beer

130 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:43:14am

re: #120 klys

I’m fairly certain that having to obtain a urine sample from a dog must be one of the forms of purgatory.

{{A Mom Anon}}

Would you like me to send you some?

131 Kragar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:43:56am

My mom has the groomers make sure the dog and cats nails are clipped, but she never gets them declawed completely.

132 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:44:20am

I clip my cats’ toenails every couple of weeks. One of them actually purrs while I’m doing it.

133 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:45:29am

re: #132 wrenchwench

I clip my cats’ toenails every couple of weeks. One of them actually purrs while I’m doing it.

We should, but the reaction ranges from “I don’t really like this but I’ll tolerate it” to “fuck, he’s out of the towel again and he’s BITING” and so instead they have a cat tower with lots of scratching spots.

I’ve been tempted a bit by the emery board scratchers but haven’t tried yet.

134 Mattand  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:46:30am

re: #132 wrenchwench

I clip my cats’ toenails every couple of weeks. One of them actually purrs while I’m doing it.

Capt. Needy loves to have his nails sanded/dremmeled. He’s also one of the few dogs on the planet that likes going to the vet.

You can literally give him four shots in his ass, and as long as he’s getting treats, he doesn’t care.

135 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:47:35am

re: #134 Mattand

Capt. Needy loves to have his nails sanded/dremmeled. He’s also one of the few dogs on the planet that likes going to the vet.

You can literally give him four shots in his ass, and as long as he’s getting treats, he doesn’t care.

I’m hoping to be able to vacuum my cats in the future….

136 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:48:13am

re: #126 Mattand

Yeah, this isn’t at all amusing. She was a mess when I adopted her as a baby, the only thing she didn’t have was heartworms. She had mange, fleas, 3 different intestinal parasites, diarrhea, vomiting, an ear infection and ear mites, food allergies and she weighed a little over half of what she should have. She had never touched grass until the day I took her home from the shelter. And god help me she stunk that day, so bad I had to ride with the car windows down, in January. It took three baths to get the stench off. But love, lots of $$ and vet visits, and almost 4 yrs later she’s big and gorgeous and has been healthy, until now. I should have just let her go hungry for awhile until she ate what was good for her. If I had to guess, I think the shitty dog food is to blame.

Sigh. (guilt, guilt)

137 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:53:57am

re: #134 Mattand

Capt. Needy loves to have his nails sanded/dremmeled. He’s also one of the few dogs on the planet that likes going to the vet.

You can literally give him four shots in his ass, and as long as he’s getting treats, he doesn’t care.

Our Golden was like that. He LOVED going to the Vet. He had a torn ACL when he was 2. We took him to this Veterinary Orthopedic Surgeon in the East Bay. They knocked him out, and he woke up with his leg wrapped up like a Smithfield ham. He had to live in a small pen in the garage (no steps) for 6 weeks, with a newspaper bag over the end of his Smithfield Ham. Went back to the doc, the take off the cast - one side of his ass is shaved, he’s got a scar running nearly the length of his leg. Couldn’t be happier to see the guy!

After about 8 weeks of recovery, he starts limping again. Turns out they’d cut too close to the front of his knee, so that a part broke off, and they had to go in again and screw it down. Once more, they knocked him out, and he woke up with his leg wrapped up like a Smithfield ham. He had to live in a small pen in the garage (no steps) for 6 weeks, with a newspaper bag over the end of his Smithfield Ham. Went back to the doc, they take off the cast - one side of his ass is shaved, he’s got another scar. Couldn’t be happier to see the guy!

After having this happen TWICE, I took him back for his final check up. Couldn’t be happier to see the guy!

That dog was the happiest animal I ever knew.

138 Mattand  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:54:13am

re: #136 A Mom Anon

Yeah, this isn’t at all amusing. She was a mess when I adopted her as a baby, the only thing she didn’t have was heartworms. She had mange, fleas, 3 different intestinal parasites, diarrhea, vomiting, an ear infection and ear mites, food allergies and she weighed a little over half of what she should have. She had never touched grass until the day I took her home from the shelter. And god help me she stunk that day, so bad I had to ride with the car windows down, in January. It took three baths to get the stench off. But love, lots of $$ and vet visits, and almost 4 yrs later she’s big and gorgeous and has been healthy, until now. I should have just let her go hungry for awhile until she ate what was good for her. If I had to guess, I think the shitty dog food is to blame.

Sigh. (guilt, guilt)

I wouldn’t blame yourself. You’ve certainly done right by her. You’re probably right as far as making her eat the good stuff. I’ve never had to deal with it, but my understanding is that eventually they’ll cave and eat what’s in the bowl.

139 Mattand  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 12:00:50pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

I’m hoping to be able to vacuum my cats in the future….

Youtube Video

140 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 12:01:19pm

re: #136 A Mom Anon

Yeah, this isn’t at all amusing. She was a mess when I adopted her as a baby, the only thing she didn’t have was heartworms. She had mange, fleas, 3 different intestinal parasites, diarrhea, vomiting, an ear infection and ear mites, food allergies and she weighed a little over half of what she should have. She had never touched grass until the day I took her home from the shelter. And god help me she stunk that day, so bad I had to ride with the car windows down, in January. It took three baths to get the stench off. But love, lots of $$ and vet visits, and almost 4 yrs later she’s big and gorgeous and has been healthy, until now. I should have just let her go hungry for awhile until she ate what was good for her. If I had to guess, I think the shitty dog food is to blame.

Sigh. (guilt, guilt)

You see, this is why I had 9 kids but no pets.

141 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 12:05:05pm

re: #139 Mattand

[Embedded content]

lol

‘Not the toes!’

142 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 12:06:50pm

re: #140 Vicious Babushka

OK that made me laugh my ass off. LOL.

143 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 12:11:25pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

I’m hoping to be able to vacuum my cats in the future….

This internet shot is identical to our mutt. His fur shuts down a roomba twice in a room, fills a conventional vacuum in one pass of the house.

Image: Sultan080903Pic2.jpg

Why would any sane person (Wife) adopt such a furry mess?

Image: BlogImg1_1292027980.jpg

144 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 12:13:25pm

AHA! Success, and now it’s off to the vet with a pee sample…

Geesh.


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