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1 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:22:12pm

If all the hipsters are doing it, I can’t. I don’t even own jeans that skinny.

2 piratedan  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:22:20pm

done, and I’m a damn hard sell for paying for content on the internet…..cheap bastard that I am…..

3 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:24:51pm
4 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:26:58pm

re: #3 Lidane

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Who ya gonna believe, the lamestream media, or a Conservative Luminary?

5 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:28:02pm

re: #2 piratedan

done, and I’m a damn hard sell for paying for content on the internet…..cheap bastard that I am…..

Thank you very much! Appreciate the support.

6 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:29:59pm

I have to wait until I’m working again before I subscribe. All the money I’ve got now is from my severance and savings. I’ll get it once a steady paycheck is part of my life once more.

7 piratedan  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:30:10pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Thank you very much! Appreciate the support.

damn, I knew I should have held out for the 100 updings package!

8 piratedan  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:31:55pm

re: #6 Lidane

the posts you put up here are part of the reason I decided to kick in, I enjoy the conversation, it’s lively and while I obviously don’t agree with everyone on everything, it forces me to keep my mind open and allows me to learn things without making an ass of myself in public, so in other words, you’re part of the reason why others of us can and do subscribe.

9 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:33:01pm
10 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:34:05pm

Christ, I hate Pledge Week.
//

11 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:35:08pm

I really want to know why KT has such a massive hate boner for Iranians.

You think Iraq was nasty? Try holding down Iran.

12 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:35:32pm

re: #9 Lidane

Why do I now have a mental picture of a jaw of an ass in my head?

/That’s not Elijah. That’s Samson.

13 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:36:13pm

re: #9 Lidane

Too funny, from a loon who would dismiss the second coming of Jesus Christ as being some commie liberal, going on about love and peace.

14 The Mountain That Blogs  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:36:23pm

re: #9 Lidane

I don’t recall Elijah’s showdown on Mount Carmel ending with him meekly voting for Baal like everyone else. Might have to reread that.

15 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:36:46pm

re: #12 lawhawk

Why do I now have a mental picture of a jaw of an ass in my head?

/That’s not Elijah. That’s Samson.

That’s not Samson, that’s Sen Cruz.

16 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:37:08pm

re: #8 piratedan

*bows*

Thanks. :)

I’m just glad to have a non-crazy place to post about politics and all the other stuff I try to keep off my FB page. Heh.

17 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:38:33pm

re: #16 Lidane

*bows*

Thanks. :)

I’m just glad to have a non-crazy place to post about politics and all the other stuff I try to keep off my FB page. Heh.

Huh. I use this place for FODDER for my FB page. So far, I’ve gotten a second cousin and a high school classmate to defriend me!

18 Single-handed sailor  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:38:36pm

Team USA wins the America’s Cup!

19 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:39:15pm

re: #18 Single-handed sailor

Team USA wins the America’s Cup!

Now Larry Ellison will be insufferable!
//

20 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:39:37pm

re: #9 Lidane

And they asked him, and said unto him, Why greenest thou that ham?

21 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:40:27pm

re: #19 GeneJockey

No more than usual.

That’s one heck of an historic comeback.

22 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:41:12pm

re: #20 jaunte

And they asked him, and said unto him, Why greenest thou that ham?

Wouldst thou like it over there?

Wouldst thou like it in a chair?

Wouldst thou like it over here?

Wouldst thou like it with a beer?

23 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:42:23pm

re: #21 lawhawk

No more than usual.

That’s one heck of an historic comeback.

Indeed. The small percentage of the population who care will be talking about it for years!
//

24 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:42:31pm

re: #12 lawhawk

Why do I now have a mental picture of a jaw of an ass in my head?

/That’s not Elijah. That’s Samson.

jaw of an ass…sounds like Cruz to me.

25 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:43:41pm

Within minutes after tweeting this I got 8 new followers who all appear to be wingnuts. *paranoia sets in*

26 piratedan  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:44:05pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

jaw of an ass…sounds like Cruz to me.

and here I was thinking it was “ass of a jaw”….. guess it’s a good thing I only spent time in the New Testament….

27 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:44:06pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

jaw of an ass…sounds like Cruz to me.

When I look at him, I don’t think ‘JAW of an ass’. I think more of something two letters earlier in the alphabet.

28 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:45:19pm

I like the bigger fonts. At first I didn’t like the squished-together* headline font, but I got used to it. I especially like that the previous-thread and next-thread headers (on the green background) no longer look smashed together.

*I know there’s a special font-geek word for that

29 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:45:31pm

Just seen on my FB page and recalling discussion of spiders the other evening.

30 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:45:42pm

Crap, I am my grandfather.

I just fell asleep on my armchair with my laptop on my lap, again.

31 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:46:01pm

re: #17 GeneJockey

Huh. I use this place for FODDER for my FB page. So far, I’ve gotten a second cousin and a high school classmate to defriend me!

Apart from my dipshit wingnut cousin who I mock here (and challenge on his own posts), I try to keep politics out of my FB page if possible. Not because I’m ashamed of my opinions, but because I primarily use FB as a way to keep up with friends and family.

I’ll post the occasional rant, like I did about the racist jackwagons who bitched about Miss America, or the assholes who got on a young Latino boy’s case for singing at the NBA Finals in a mariachi outfit. And I don’t hide my feelings on things like same-sex marriage, LGBT rights, and my support for Texas Dems like Wendy Davis. But by and large, my political posts are here or on Twitter.

32 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:46:48pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

I like the bigger fonts. At first I didn’t like the squished-together* headline font, but I got used to it. I especially like that the previous-thread and next-thread headers (on the green background) no longer look smashed together.

*I know there’s a special font-geek word for that

It’s called ‘squishing’.

I kern you not.

33 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:47:16pm

re: #30 b_sharp

Crap, I am my grandfather.

I just fell asleep on my armchair with my laptop on my lap, again.

Your grandfather had/has your laptop?

34 b.d.  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:47:35pm

Done and done, now a subscriber and thanks again to all of you fine folks being so welcoming to a recent refugee.

35 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:47:50pm

iPhone map app directs drivers on to airport runway

Relying on the iPhone map app’s directions to get to Fairbanks International Airport is downright dangerous.

That’s because the directions take you on a turn-by-turn route to Taxiway Bravo. From there, it’s a direct shot across the main runway to the terminal.

At least twice in the past three weeks, drivers from out of town who followed the directions on their iPhones not only reached airport property, but also crossed the runway and drove to the airport ramp side of the passenger terminal.

“These folks drove past several signs. They even drove past a gate. None of that cued them that they did something inappropriate,” said Melissa Osborn, chief of operations at the Fairbanks airport.

36 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:47:56pm
37 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:48:21pm
38 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:48:55pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

Your grandfather had/has your laptop?

He used to fall asleep in his armchair with a thing called a newspaper on his lap. I don’t think they make them any more.

39 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:49:39pm

Full-sized image is awesome.

40 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:50:25pm

re: #34 b.d.

Done and done, now a subscriber and thanks again to all of you fine folks being so welcoming to a recent refugee.

Much obliged, and thanks for your support!

41 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:50:26pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

Darwin awards…

42 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:50:34pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Kenya: a cheetah family pic.twitter.com/psK1gnC6U6
— PiCtUrEs (@Saadal3000) September 25, 2013

Sadly the NRA festishits just views them as targets.

43 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:50:54pm

re: #30 b_sharp

Crap, I am my grandfather.

I just fell asleep on my armchair with my laptop on my lap, again.

i’m mah own granpaw

44 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:51:24pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Beautiful, but sad.

They’re likely another species about to disappear because of humans.

45 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:51:41pm
46 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:51:45pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

My wife still thinks me strange because I sometimes insist on using a paper map, but darn it sometimes old school is the best way to go.

47 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:52:21pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

Your grandfather had/has your laptop?

I’m told I have my Grandfather’s nose. Is it like that?

48 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:52:57pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

iPhone map app directs drivers on to airport runway

Same thing nearly happened to me when I was in Houston several years ago for a wedding. I was heading back to the airport in my rental car, and the iphone app map directed me to a service entrance near the runway.

49 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:53:00pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Full-sized image is awesome.

Does not open in Master Spy, even after reload of the page. Works fine here, though, even in Preview.

I wonder if Mama has to do their hair like that every morning.

50 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:54:00pm

re: #47 GeneJockey

I’m told I have my Grandfather’s nose. Is it like that?

I hope you have it in preservative.

51 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:54:07pm

re: #47 GeneJockey

I’m told I have my Grandfather’s nose. Is it like that?

I’m told my 6 siblings and I all have the same nose.

Ew.

52 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:54:14pm

Class is paused while I make lunch.

In-person lectures should come with the same feature.

53 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:54:15pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

Does not open in Master Spy, even after reload of the page. Works fine here, though, even in Preview.

I wonder if Mama has to do their hair like that every morning.

It’s all just spit curls.

54 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:54:36pm

America’s Cup is over. Oracle/Team USA won. Good race. I hope Ellison goes back to mono hulls next time.

55 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:54:38pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

I’m told my 6 siblings and I all have the same nose.

Ew.

How do you all smell?

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:55:12pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

I remember reading many years ago that there is no genetic diversity in cheetahs. I recall a test where skin from one cheetah was transplanted to another one and there was no tissue rejection. The fear was that this would be the ultimate cause of cheetah extinction.

57 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:55:49pm

re: #55 GeneJockey

How do you all smell?

LOL. Another Marx brother is hatched.

58 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:55:49pm

re: #46 Eclectic Cyborg

My wife still thinks me strange because I sometimes insist on using a paper map, but darn it sometimes old school is the best way to go.

mmmm….paper maps. Love them.

59 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:55:50pm

re: #50 b_sharp

I hope you have it in preservative.

Eleanor Rigby Hannibal Lector,

Wearing a face that she keeps in a jar by the door…

60 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:55:56pm

re: #8 piratedan

the posts you put up here are part of the reason I decided to kick in, I enjoy the conversation, it’s lively and while I obviously don’t agree with everyone on everything, it forces me to keep my mind open and allows me to learn things without making an ass of myself in public, so in other words, you’re part of the reason why others of us can and do subscribe.

“LGF. Where You Can Argue Without Arguing.®”

61 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:56:14pm

That moment when the water is boiling and you pour in the pasta and watch the boiling stop because the absorption of heat by the pasta is sufficient to lower the temperature to below boiling…

Doesn’t everyone think about that?

62 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:56:18pm

re: #55 GeneJockey

How do you all smell?

I guess we all smell the same.

63 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:56:30pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember reading many years ago that there is no genetic diversity in cheetahs. I recall a test where skin from one cheetah was transplanted to another one and there was no tissue rejection. The fear was that this would be the ultimate cause of cheetah extinction.

We’ve bottle-necked them.

64 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:57:20pm

re: #63 b_sharp

We’ve bottle-necked them.

yep

65 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:57:32pm

re: #57 b_sharp

LOL. Another Marx brother is hatched.

Pogo, actually. Churchy, told something is as plain as the nose on his face, suddenly realises he ain’t got no nose. Albert says, “Ask him how do he smell?”

66 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:57:54pm

re: #61 klys

That moment when the water is boiling and you pour in the pasta and watch the boiling stop because the absorption of heat by the pasta is sufficient to lower the temperature to below boiling…

Doesn’t everyone think about that?

I hate to admit it, but I have.

67 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:58:02pm

re: #61 klys

That moment when the water is boiling and you pour in the pasta and watch the boiling stop because the absorption of heat by the pasta is sufficient to lower the temperature to below boiling…

Doesn’t everyone think about that?

With or without salt? Takes longer to boil salt than water, so it slows the whole process (but tastes better).

68 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:58:42pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

Does not open in Master Spy, even after reload of the page. Works fine here, though, even in Preview.

I wonder if Mama has to do their hair like that every morning.

Should work now if you reload…

69 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:58:49pm

re: #66 b_sharp

I hate to admit it, but I have.

So have I, but I’ve found a good program now.

70 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:59:20pm

re: #61 klys

That moment when the water is boiling and you pour in the pasta and watch the boiling stop because the absorption of heat by the pasta is sufficient to lower the temperature to below boiling…

Doesn’t everyone think about that?

This is why my husband likes to keep his bottle of Scotch in the freezer.
He says it keeps his ice cubes from melting too fast.
SCIENCE!

71 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:59:58pm

re: #67 wrenchwench

With or without salt? Takes longer to boil salt than water, so it slows the whole process (but tastes better).

Without, because I am lazy. It also raises the boiling temperature of the water slightly - you can think of it like the salt ions are interfering with the escape route of the water molecules and so more energy is needed for them to break free at the appropriate rate for ‘boiling’ (which is really just the point where the vapor pressure of the liquid equals atmospheric pressure, which is why water boils at a lower temperature at higher elevations).

(Boiling salt would be impressive.)

72 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:00:01pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Should work now if you reload…

Indeed it do.

73 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:00:07pm
74 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:02:00pm
75 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:02:22pm

And now for a mental break.

For your consideration, the two most useless bouncers……ever.

Image: UG4E.gif

76 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:02:43pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is why my husband likes to keep his bottle of Scotch in the freezer.
He says it keeps his ice cubes from melting too fast.
SCIENCE!

i thought the ice cubes melted because of market forces

77 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:03:03pm

re: #60 Political Atheist

“LGF. Where You Can Argue Without Arguing.(r)”

You can also argue about arguing.

78 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:03:44pm

re: #76 dog philosopher

i thought the ice cubes melted because of market forces

or magnets

79 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:04:19pm

re: #78 Sol Berdinowitz

or magnets

Market forces - how do they fucking work?
//

80 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:04:23pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is why my husband likes to keep his bottle of Scotch in the freezer.
He says it keeps his ice cubes from melting too fast.
SCIENCE!

He puts ice in his Scotch?

Blasphemy.

81 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:05:30pm

Back to another 30 minutes of lecture about sets and cardinality of sets and subsets and yeah…

82 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:05:37pm

re: #71 klys

Without, because I am lazy. It also raises the boiling temperature of the water slightly - you can think of it like the salt ions are interfering with the escape route of the water molecules and so more energy is needed for them to break free at the appropriate rate for ‘boiling’ (which is really just the point where the vapor pressure of the liquid equals atmospheric pressure, which is why water boils at a lower temperature at higher elevations).

(Boiling salt would be impressive.)

I hate to admit it, but no, I don’t think about it. What I think about is what bullshit it is to only start the timer when it returns to a boil, unless you like your pasta to be really mooshy.

83 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:05:40pm

re: #78 Sol Berdinowitz

or magnets

Dephlogistication.

84 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:06:59pm

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

And now for a mental break.

For your consideration, the two most useless bouncers……ever.

Image: UG4E.gif

Is that the bartender laughing so hard he has to lower his head?

85 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:07:12pm

re: #76 dog philosopher

i thought the ice cubes melted because of market forces

I always point out that he needs a refill long before the cubes have disappeared…

86 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:07:47pm

re: #81 klys

Back to another 30 minutes of lecture about sets and cardinality of sets and subsets and yeah…

What class are you taking?

87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:07:50pm

re: #80 b_sharp

He puts ice in his Scotch?

Blasphemy.

not only ice but tonic water too…eeewwww

88 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:08:02pm

re: #80 b_sharp

He puts ice in his Scotch?

Blasphemy.

A Scottish friend once offered me a drink at his place. He had two bottles of whisky (that’s right, no ‘e’), Glenmorangie Single Malt, and Bell’s blended. I could have the Glenmorangie if I took it neat, or with tepid water. Otherwise, it was Bells.

89 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:08:27pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

not only ice but tonic water too…eeewwww

He will never get my Glenfiddich.

90 b.d.  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:08:27pm

I can’t remember the last time I was looking forward to and making a point of watching South Park.

The DudeBros will not be happy.

91 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:09:12pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

not only ice but tonic water too…eeewwww

I feel like Kryton, faced with Lister asking for ketchup for his lobster.

92 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:09:35pm

re: #88 GeneJockey

A Scottish friend once offered me a drink at his place. He had two bottles of whisky (that’s right, no ‘e’), Glenmorangie Single Malt, and Bell’s blended. I could have the Glenmorangie if I took it neat, or with tepid water. Otherwise, it was Bells.

Just a drop or two of filtered water is all that touches my scotch.

93 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:09:58pm

re: #74 Lidane

It repealed Obamacare. How hard is that to understand?

/

94 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:11:30pm

Doggie update: no UTI, no crystals in the urine, low pH, so it appears her issues are allergy related. I go in the morning to pick up a low dose of prednisone and a prescription shampoo to alleviate the itching and various inflamations. No chicken, no wheat,corn soy, beef and for now, lamb, fish only, grain free food, watch all treats. Doesn’t leave many choices. Although barley and oats are ok, which widens the choices a little.

Heh. In addition to all this, my husband’s type 2 diabetes is out of control and he’s on a special diet, eating schedule and he’s back to blood testing again. It’s his own fault, he hasn’t taken care of himself for years. If he doesn’t do it this time, he’s going to end up dead or really sick. I told him that if he loses a foot or goes blind, I’m loading his ass in the car and taking him to FL to live with his Mommy. I’ll spare you the tale of how many times I’ve been through this with him, he’s had THREE heart attacks and angioplasties, a total of 5 stents in his heart. And that still didn’t make him wake up. He’s got no choice now. This could have been under control, maybe even by diet only by now, but noooo.

I’m scheduling my nervous breakdown for oh, next Tuesday.

95 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:11:47pm

re: #92 b_sharp

Just a drop or two of filtered water is all that touches my scotch.

What, not your lips or nothing?

96 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:12:26pm

re: #94 A Mom Anon

My wife’s aunt won’t control her diabetes. Drives me crazy. Such selfishness.

97 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:12:53pm

re: #94 A Mom Anon

Doggie update: no UTI, no crystals in the urine, low pH, so it appears her issues are allergy related. I go in the morning to pick up a low dose of prednisone and a prescription shampoo to alleviate the itching and various inflamations. No chicken, no wheat,corn soy, beef and for now, lamb, fish only, grain free food, watch all treats. Doesn’t leave many choices. Although barley and oats are ok, which widens the choices a little.

Heh. In addition to all this, my husband’s type 2 diabetes is out of control and he’s on a special diet, eating schedule and he’s back to blood testing again. It’s his own fault, he hasn’t taken care of himself for years. If he doesn’t do it this time, he’s going to end up dead or really sick. I told him that if he loses a foot or goes blind, I’m loading his ass in the car and taking him to FL to live with his Mommy. I’ll spare you the tale of how many times I’ve been through this with him, he’s had THREE heart attacks and angioplasties, a total of 5 stents in his heart. And that still didn’t make him wake up. He’s got no choice now. This could have been under control, maybe even by diet only by now, but noooo.

I’m scheduling my nervous breakdown for oh, next Tuesday.

Smack him upside the head for us.

98 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:13:00pm

re: #84 b_sharp

Is that the bartender laughing so hard he has to lower his head?

Hard to say. I know I was laughing pretty hard when I saw it. I could just all but hear the one fellow screaming like a little girl.

99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:13:17pm

re: #88 GeneJockey

A Scottish friend once offered me a drink at his place. He had two bottles of whisky (that’s right, no ‘e’), Glenmorangie Single Malt, and Bell’s blended. I could have the Glenmorangie if I took it neat, or with tepid water. Otherwise, it was Bells.

I spent three days at The Anderson hotel in Fortrose, Black Isle, Scotland.
They have an amazing Whiskey Bar, where I managed to spend many pleasant hours working my way through their more than 240 offerings of single malts.
I needed more time…

The Anderson Whiskey Bar

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:14:05pm

re: #89 b_sharp

He will never get my Glenfiddich.

He doesn’t get mine either.

101 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:14:21pm

re: #86 b_sharp

What class are you taking?

Mathematical Foundations of Computing. There’s supposed to be a lot of proofs.

I hate proofs.

102 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:14:45pm

re: #91 GeneJockey

I feel like Kryton, faced with Lister asking for ketchup for his lobster.

upding for Red Dwarf!

103 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:15:48pm

re: #101 klys

Mathematical Foundations of Computing. There’s supposed to be a lot of proofs.

I hate proofs.

It’s why I went into Biology. Less math. That, and Biology is where other Sciences come for meaning.

104 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:17:04pm

re: #74 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Dear Confused Constituents,

I’ll let you all in on a little secret.
You’ve been played like a cheap fiddle.

105 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:17:40pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

I spent three days at The Anderson hotel in Fortrose, Black Isle, Scotland.
They have an amazing Whiskey Bar, where I managed to spend many pleasant hours working my way through their more than 240 offerings of single malts.
I needed more time…

The Anderson Whiskey Bar

My Scottish friend was surprised and pleased how much better the selection and prices were in Ithaca than Edinburgh. Apparently, we get a lot of the good stuff, and for cheaper.

106 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:18:03pm

re: #104 Arrrr, matey!

Dear Confused Constituents,

I’ll let you all in on a little secret.
You’ve been played like a cheap fiddle.

“Today’s vote was the first of many in the process of repealing and defunding Obamacare. I promise. Send money.”

107 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:18:10pm

re: #95 GeneJockey

What, not your lips or nothing?

No, I just sit and stare at it, I don’t really drink it.

A couple of drops of water open it up.

108 Mattand  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:18:58pm

re: #94 A Mom Anon

Doggie update: no UTI, no crystals in the urine, low pH, so it appears her issues are allergy related. I go in the morning to pick up a low dose of prednisone and a prescription shampoo to alleviate the itching and various inflamations. No chicken, no wheat,corn soy, beef and for now, lamb, fish only, grain free food, watch all treats. Doesn’t leave many choices. Although barley and oats are ok, which widens the choices a little.

Heh. In addition to all this, my husband’s type 2 diabetes is out of control and he’s on a special diet, eating schedule and he’s back to blood testing again. It’s his own fault, he hasn’t taken care of himself for years. If he doesn’t do it this time, he’s going to end up dead or really sick. I told him that if he loses a foot or goes blind, I’m loading his ass in the car and taking him to FL to live with his Mommy. I’ll spare you the tale of how many times I’ve been through this with him, he’s had THREE heart attacks and angioplasties, a total of 5 stents in his heart. And that still didn’t make him wake up. He’s got no choice now. This could have been under control, maybe even by diet only by now, but noooo.

I’m scheduling my nervous breakdown for oh, next Tuesday.

Glad to hear the dog is okay. As for hubby: I’m going through something similar with my dad regarding diabetes. Passed out in a parking lot from low blood sugar; he was literally seconds away from passing out behind the wheel, and possibly killing himself and others in the process. Instead of learning from the incident, he proceeded to ignore his health.

Maybe an intervention? We finally ganged up on Dad and did something along those lines. Seems to have worked to a degree.

109 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:20:03pm

re: #107 b_sharp

No, I just sit and stare at it, I don’t really drink it.

A couple of drops of water open it up.

I confess I’ve become less of a purist about ice and whisky as I’ve grown older. When I have an after-dinner drink I just like it cold and clinky.

110 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:20:37pm

re: #101 klys

Mathematical Foundations of Computing. There’s supposed to be a lot of proofs.

I hate proofs.

OK.
I would have thought you already had all of your math requirements. I don’t remember taking that class for my CS degree.

Mind you I don’t remember what I did yesterday either.

111 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:21:13pm

re: #106 Bulworth

“Today’s vote was the first of many in the process of repealing and defunding Obamacare. I promise. Send money.”

Q: What’s Republican for ‘Fuck You’?

A: “Trust me.”

112 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:21:56pm

re: #110 b_sharp

OK.
I would have thought you already had all of your math requirements. I don’t remember taking that class for my CS degree.

Mind you I don’t remember what I did yesterday either.

You SURE you don’t drink the whisky?
//

113 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:22:34pm

re: #112 GeneJockey

You SURE you don’t drink the whisky?
//

Not that I remember.

114 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:23:10pm

re: #113 b_sharp

Not that I remember.

Padumpum *chish!*

115 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:23:39pm

re: #109 GeneJockey

I confess I’ve become less of a purist about ice and whisky as I’ve grown older. When I have an after-dinner drink I just like it cold and clinky.

Total purist here. Kid gave me a jug of Tullamore Dew for my birthday. Only opened it when I was sick to make hot tea w/ honey and to spoon it over ice cream. It makes something a bit like Bailey’s Cream.

116 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:23:45pm

Later lizards, I have to go pick up the wife from work.

Whoopy, I get to see what other roads have been blocked for repair.

117 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:24:56pm

Why does Pay Pal need my bank account routing information?

118 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:26:35pm

re: #117 Bubblehead II

So you can transfer money into and out of your PayPal account, and probably also for verification purposes, I guess. You’d have to ask them for the full reasoning behind it.

119 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:27:06pm

Baby’s first ice cream.

Youtube Video

120 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:27:54pm

re: #117 Bubblehead II

Why does Pay Pal need my bank account routing information?

PayPal needs either bank account routing or a PayPal credit card account.

121 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:29:25pm

re: #119 wrenchwench

Baby’s first ice cream.

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They all seem to know right off that it’s not a hammer or a writing implement.

122 blueraven  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:32:32pm

re: #117 Bubblehead II

Why does Pay Pal need my bank account routing information?

If you are just now opening an account…they will deposit a very small amount of money, like $ 0.12 into your account. When you receive that, then you verify with paypal.

123 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:33:26pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Thanks. But it looks like I can’t use PayPal to subscribe. Sorry Charles.

We’re sorry, but that bank can’t be linked to any more PayPal accounts. Please link a different bank account.

124 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:34:12pm

re: #101 klys

Mathematical Foundations of Computing. There’s supposed to be a lot of proofs.

I hate proofs.

I got my Math/CS degree 30 years ago. We programmed on punch cards. PUNCH CARDS!!

125 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:35:02pm

re: #94 A Mom Anon

Doggie update: no UTI, no crystals in the urine, low pH, so it appears her issues are allergy related. I go in the morning to pick up a low dose of prednisone and a prescription shampoo to alleviate the itching and various inflamations. No chicken, no wheat,corn soy, beef and for now, lamb, fish only, grain free food, watch all treats. Doesn’t leave many choices. Although barley and oats are ok, which widens the choices a little.

Heh. In addition to all this, my husband’s type 2 diabetes is out of control and he’s on a special diet, eating schedule and he’s back to blood testing again. It’s his own fault, he hasn’t taken care of himself for years. If he doesn’t do it this time, he’s going to end up dead or really sick. I told him that if he loses a foot or goes blind, I’m loading his ass in the car and taking him to FL to live with his Mommy. I’ll spare you the tale of how many times I’ve been through this with him, he’s had THREE heart attacks and angioplasties, a total of 5 stents in his heart. And that still didn’t make him wake up. He’s got no choice now. This could have been under control, maybe even by diet only by now, but noooo.

I’m scheduling my nervous breakdown for oh, next Tuesday.

I don’t see pork on the list for the dog. Guessing not, but if the vet didn’t say, check as it’s usually less expensive than fish. Usually.

Ask vet what fats are allowed. If he tells you ‘none’ it’s time to talk to another vet, but I digress. I’m going to assume that at least initially he’s going to want you to stick to fish oils, maybe olive oil. Butter would work though it’s expensive. Ask him to check for eggs as early in the sequence as possible. There’s a method to this madness, bear with me.

If you don’t have one (I’m guessing you do, but have learned about assumptions) get a sausage grinder. Make oat, barley, and meat (fish for now) sausages, and use an approved fat for a binder. Use the coarsest wheel, and as soon as approved use casings - until then just make the grindings.

See, the big thing about this method is that you can simultaneously control the mix and make pre-measured serving sizes. And since it looks like sausage it tricks (many) dogs into thinking it’s people food.

The ‘great touch’ to finish - again once eggs and an oil are approved - is to make homemade mayonnaise to go with it. One egg and a cup of oil will give you two to three cups of mayo, meaning you can ‘season’ the sausage with a tablespoon of mayo and only be adding a teaspoon or two of oil - but again making the dog feel ‘special’. Homemade mayo will last about a week so you’ll learn how much to give so you don’t have to throw it away.

As to the husband, I think I’ll leave that one alone. Not least because we’ve got a similar situation here and I’ve not yet resolved how I feel about it.

126 EPR-radar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:35:21pm

re: #101 klys

Mathematical Foundations of Computing. There’s supposed to be a lot of proofs.

I hate proofs.

This seems far removed from real software engineering. A technical background should provide sufficient math/logic background for computer programming.

I’m not a software engineer, so readers who are can correct me if I’m wrong in my suspicion that this course may be a waste of your time.

127 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:36:31pm

re: #122 blueraven

If you are just now opening an account…they will deposit a very small amount of money, like $ 0.12 into your account. When you receive that, then you verify with paypal.

That’s right - I forgot about that verification process. I think I’ve read that they have other methods of verifying now, too.

128 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:37:06pm

re: #123 Bubblehead II

Thanks. But it looks like I can’t use PayPal to subscribe. Sorry Charles.

We’re sorry, but that bank can’t be linked to any more PayPal accounts. Please link a different bank account.

Then again, I think it went trough.

129 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:37:29pm

FUCKING DUMBASS:

130 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:37:52pm

re: #123 Bubblehead II

Er, sounds like you already have a PayPal account, or more than one? You could try the Help feature on their site - I’ve never seen that error message.

131 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:38:09pm

re: #125 kirkspencer

Great, now I’m hungry.

woof

132 blueraven  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:38:14pm

As for the LGF subscription. I thought I might kind of miss the ads. I don’t at all and the page loads much faster.

133 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:38:47pm

re: #94 A Mom Anon


I’m surprised that rice wasn’t included as a “safe” ingredient.
When one of my dogs came down with parvo (a week after getting his shot for that) boiled rice and lamb was my vet’s recommendation to ease the dog back to solid foods.

134 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:39:06pm

re: #129 Vicious Babushka

FUCKING DUMBASS:

George Soros makes many troubled hearts.

135 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:39:14pm
136 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:42:19pm

re: #129 Vicious Babushka

FUCKING DUMBASS:

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No, but he has a point. Just not the one he thinks. You have one party that’s blaming everything on blacks, messicans, gays, and lib’ruls, who are supposedly trying to destroy America. These same people think there’s no such thing as too much military spending. They consider themselves the REAL Americans. They’re trying to make it harder for people who disagree with them to vote. Meanwhile, they’re periodically whipped into a froth about shit that isn’t even happening by a propaganda machinery that Goebbels would have killed for.

Not to go all Godwin, but…..

137 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:42:26pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Er, sounds like you already have a PayPal account, or more than one? You could try the Help feature on their site - I’ve never seen that error message.

I don’t know either. I went through their account search functions E-Mail address, physical address and CC number and they all came up blank so I opened an account and entered CC info just fine, it just didn’t want to take the routing number. My bank may be one that has refused to handle Pay Pal transactions because of previous problems Pay Pal has had. Will have to check with them. Either way it looks like the CC transaction was hanled though. Did it come across at your end?

138 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:42:47pm

re: #126 EPR-radar

This seems far removed from real software engineering. A technical background should provide sufficient math/logic background for computer programming.

I’m not a software engineer, so readers who are can correct me if I’m wrong in my suspicion that this course may be a waste of your time.

for actual programming, writing a compiler - which we did in the computer science BS course that i took - would be more useful than a course involving proofs

but if you want to do research in algorithms, then i guess it would be helpful

139 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:43:07pm

re: #110 b_sharp

OK.
I would have thought you already had all of your math requirements. I don’t remember taking that class for my CS degree.

Mind you I don’t remember what I did yesterday either.

re: #126 EPR-radar

This seems far removed from real software engineering. A technical background should provide sufficient math/logic background for computer programming.

I’m not a software engineer, so readers who are can correct me if I’m wrong in my suspicion that this course may be a waste of your time.

The class is required from the point of view of the certificate which I want, which will give me a piece of paper to wave at HR and hopefully get to the interview point (at which point it is on me). Discussion with my husband says that although rarely used, it is probably good to see it once.

This is discrete mathematics, which isn’t typically what’s required for a science degree (where yes, I’ve gone far beyond what might be required here - through differential equations).

re: #124 Vicious Babushka

I got my Math/CS degree 30 years ago. We programmed on punch cards. PUNCH CARDS!!

My parents tell stories about that. And tripping. And why you numbered your cards after the first time.

/started on DOS at age 3.

140 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:43:33pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Er, sounds like you already have a PayPal account, or more than one? You could try the Help feature on their site - I’ve never seen that error message.

I did. My wife linked our bank account to PayPal before i could, even though she hardly ever used it, and I was using it a couple times a week, buying watches, tools, and parts.

141 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:43:35pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m surprised that rice wasn’t included as a “safe” ingredient.
When one of my dogs came down with parvo (a week after getting his shot for that) boiled rice and lamb was my vet’s recommendation to ease the dog back to solid foods.

Me too - but he did say no ‘grains’ so i’m guessing they’re going to full limit. As in reduce to two minimally sustaining elements and wait to see if symptoms continue. if they do, substitute X for A (Rice for Oats, for example) and continue. Once the dog’s symptoms stop, start adding things one item per week. If symptoms show up, stop last and wait a week to ensure it’s not something else.

Oh - a recently learned lesson is that if you’re giving the dog rice, give it brown if at all possible for a multitude of health reasons.

142 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:43:36pm

single malt

these days i’m sticking to bourbon, mself

a maker’s mark on the rocks please

143 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:43:52pm

re: #137 Bubblehead II

I don’t know either. I went through their account search functions E-Mail address, physical address and CC number and they all came up blank so I opened an account and entered CC info just fine, it just didn’t want to take the routing number. My bank may be one that has refused to handle Pay Pal transactions because of previous problems Pay Pal has had. Will have to check with them. Either way it looks like the CC transaction was hanled though. Did it come across at your end?

Yes, just got it - thank you very much! Your ad-free access should be set as soon as you reload the page.

144 blueraven  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:45:48pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

That’s right - I forgot about that verification process. I think I’ve read that they have other methods of verifying now, too.

They probably do. I opened my PP account many years ago but recently added a new bank acct. This was the easiest option as I recall. At least for me. Takes several days though.

145 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:45:49pm

re: #138 dog philosopher

for actual programming, writing a compiler - which we did in the computer science BS course that i took - would be more useful than a course involving proofs

but if you want to do research in algorithms, then i guess it would be helpful

The hubby thinks it’s useful for algorithms.

Algorithms is one of the *other* courses on the list to take. And operating systems type stuff.

Apparently Google likes to stress algorithms and data structures in their interviews. He seems to think I have a shot at interviewing there. I think he’s nuts.

I will say that the classes I’ve taken before were reasonably rigorous and so I’m hopeful that these will be too (well, I want this one to not be too bad, but there will be programming ones as well).

146 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:46:01pm

re: #139 klys

discrete mathematics

when i took that it involved predicate logic and suchlike, very useful for programming. especially good to remember demorgan’s law!

but as for doing the proofs - hey, we’re engineers, just give us the cookbook!

147 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:46:42pm

Just caught up to Cruz comparing his little talk to the Bataan Death March.
….
He is truly an asshole.

148 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:47:15pm

re: #147 jaunte

Just caught up to Cruz comparing his little talk to the Bataan Death March.
….
He is truly an asshole.

Which side was he?

149 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:47:25pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Yes, just got it - thank you very much! Your ad-free access should be set as soon as you reload the page.

Your Welcome.

150 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:47:39pm

re: #148 GeneJockey

Victim, of course.

151 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:47:58pm

re: #141 kirkspencer

Me too - but he did say no ‘grains’ so i’m guessing they’re going to full limit. As in reduce to two minimally sustaining elements and wait to see if symptoms continue. if they do, substitute X for A (Rice for Oats, for example) and continue. Once the dog’s symptoms stop, start adding things one item per week. If symptoms show up, stop last and wait a week to ensure it’s not something else.

Oh - a recently learned lesson is that if you’re giving the dog rice, give it brown if at all possible for a multitude of health reasons.

yes, brown/long grain/wild rice. We have none of that horrid sticky tasteless white rice in the Sleuth kitchen.

152 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:48:25pm

Oh god proofs.
Kill them with fire!

153 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:49:28pm

re: #146 dog philosopher

when i took that it involved predicate logic and suchlike, very useful for programming. especially good to remember demorgan’s law!

but as for doing the proofs - hey, we’re engineers, just give us the cookbook!

It will probably involve stuff like that, but the lecture for today (as opposed to Monday’s lecture which I finally watched) is “mathematical proof”.

So far, the class reminds me why I dislike mathematicians. And prefer to drink while doing math. (My head hurts less that way.)

154 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:50:15pm

re: #145 klys

The hubby thinks it’s useful for algorithms.

Algorithms is one of the *other* courses on the list to take. And operating systems type stuff.

Apparently Google likes to stress algorithms and data structures in their interviews. He seems to think I have a shot at interviewing there. I think he’s nuts.

I will say that the classes I’ve taken before were reasonably rigorous and so I’m hopeful that these will be too (well, I want this one to not be too bad, but there will be programming ones as well).

it turns out you can audit the entire MIT analysis of algorithms course, as well as the same thing as taught at SUNY stonybrook, both available as videos posted on the web

i did this a few years ago and found it an invaluable fresh up course and i’m sure very helpful in regard to heavy duty interviews. both courses cover essentially the same ground as the ‘mobile’ book:

amazon.com

155 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:51:04pm

re: #153 klys

So far, the class reminds me why I dislike mathematicians. And prefer to drink while doing math. (My head hurts less that way.)

Heh. So is this a wingnut measure you support? ;)

156 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:51:10pm

Alternative caption: Kitten Thor hugging Kitten Loki.

/nerd

157 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:52:01pm

re: #147 jaunte

Just caught up to Cruz comparing his little talk to the Bataan Death March.
….
He is truly an asshole.


Lots of victims and survivors were New Mexicans.


The Bataan Memorial Death March is a challenging march through the high desert terrain of White Sands Missile Range, conducted in honor of the heroic service members who defended the Philippine Islands during World War II, sacrificing their freedom, health and, in many cases, their very lives.
158 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:52:50pm

re: #150 jaunte

Victim, of course.

Because choosing to speak for hours, with bathroom breaks and relief speakers, after getting permission from Harry Reid, for no reason beyond political theater is just like being marched 80 miles with little or no food and water, being beaten, and being shot, bayonetted or beheaded if you faltered or fell.

What a colossal asshole.

159 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:53:05pm

re: #155 Interesting Times

Heh. So is this a wingnut measure you support? ;)

This actually got mentioned in the lecture.

The lecturer is doing a good job of being enthusiastic about the material and trying to make sure people are following, I’ll give him that. But when we hit the infinite infinities my head hurt.

160 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:53:13pm

re: #153 klys

It will probably involve stuff like that, but the lecture for today (as opposed to Monday’s lecture which I finally watched) is “mathematical proof”.

So far, the class reminds me why I dislike mathematicians. And prefer to drink while doing math. (My head hurts less that way.)

You are bringing up bad memories!
XD

161 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:53:43pm

re: #160 Arrrr, matey!

You are bringing up bad memories!
XD

I WILL DRAG YOU THROUGH HELL WITH ME.

162 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:53:55pm

re: #156 Lidane

Alternative caption: Kitten Thor hugging Kitten Loki.

/nerd

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Love the look in the black kitten’s eyes - “Get off me, you ginger bastard!”

163 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:54:14pm

re: #161 klys

I WILL DRAG YOU THROUGH HELL WITH ME.

BUT I’VE ALREADY BEEN THERE!!!!!!

164 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:54:36pm

re: #163 Arrrr, matey!

BUT I’VE ALREADY BEEN THERE!!!!!!

/evil laughter

You can never really escape…

165 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:54:51pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, brown/long grain/wild rice. We have none of that horrid sticky tasteless white rice in the Sleuth kitchen.

meh. I use that ‘sticky tasteless white rice’ a lot. It’s a great ‘no-fail’ sushi rice, for example, because of that sticky property.

The thing for me is to treat white rice the same way I treat grits or polenta or tofu: it’s a base, and its only use alone should be for the ill and weak-stomached.

166 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:55:02pm

Not JUST an asshole….

167 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:55:43pm

re: #165 kirkspencer

meh. I use that ‘sticky tasteless white rice’ a lot. It’s a great ‘no-fail’ sushi rice, for example, because of that sticky property.

The thing for me is to treat white rice the same way I treat grits or polenta or tofu: it’s a base, and its only use alone should be for the ill and weak-stomached.

My husband adores rice, thanks to the time he spent in Japan.

Apparently there are subtleties and nuances to white rice that we just don’t get in this country. Or at least, they elude me.

168 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:56:34pm

re: #166 wrenchwench

Not JUST an asshole….

Since we’re on the topic of sets and Venn diagrams, here’s one for seven sets.

169 GeneJockey  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:57:31pm

re: #168 klys

Since we’re on the topic of sets and Venn diagrams, here’s one for seven sets.

Jesus, it looks like a hippie throw pillow.

170 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:59:48pm

Texas AG focused on the important things:


*sigh*

171 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:00:30pm

re: #125 kirkspencer

Fats are allowed,just not chicken or beef fat, I asked because her skin is so dry it’s insane. She’s black and tan and the flaking is so bad she looks like she’s got snowflakes all over her. Ack. She can have brown rice in moderation, vet wants limited grains including the barley and oats. So, we’re going with either Blue Buffalo Wilderness Salmon (grain free)or Blue Buffalo Basics Salmon and Potato(limited ingredient diet (which is what she was eating her whole life before all hell broke loose and she refused to eat anything but the Rachael Ray crap) to start and see if that works. If not, then we go to the whole elimination diet thing with me cooking everything which I am trying to avoid because I’m already dealing with The Husband’s dietary issues. I did that with the kid when he was little to rule out gluten and dairy allergies(common in autistic kids for some reason). The vet seems to think that the prednisone and a few dietary improvements should relieve the symptoms within a couple of weeks. We shall see.

If I don’t start drinking heavily before this is all resolved it’s going to be a miracle.

172 psddluva4evah  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:00:31pm

Oh, so Newt Gingrich is probably a lying ratfinkin’ hypocrite! Naw, REALLY…

Is Newt Gingrich breaking CNN’s rules?
By HADAS GOLD | 9/25/13 5:38 PM EDT

Just weeks into his new role, CNN Crossfire host Newt Gingrich has already broken some ethical rules set forth by the network’s executive vice president of standards and practices, according to a new report from Media Matters For America, the liberal watchdog group.

CNN EVP for standards and practices Rick Davis told Media Matters in early September that Gingrich would be required to disclose if he or a PAC he is connected to is donating to a candidate who appeared or was discussed on the show.

“If Newt is helping fund a candidate and that candidate’s on the show, or being discussed on the show, of course he’ll disclose that,” Davis said. “Disclosure is important when it’s relevant.”

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has been a guest on Crossfire and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) has been a topic on the show. Mother Jones reports that Gingrich’s PAC has donated to both Senators recently, and that Gingrich didn’t make note of the donations in either episode.

Requests for comment to CNN were not returned.

173 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:02:45pm
174 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:02:53pm

re: #157 wrenchwench

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I think Cruz forget that the Bataan Death March was you know a death march where people you know died. Didn’t know that there were a lot of New Mexicans on that march. It was hell what those people went through. For Cruz to liken his cheap political stunt to their suffering shows what an out of touch clown he is.

175 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:04:01pm

re: #170 Lidane

Texas AG focused on the important things:

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*sigh*

Uh Greg if you were so concerned about arms treaties being ratified, you could have ran for the Senate. It’s not your place as a state AG to interfere with the federal government doing its job on foreign affairs. Stupid idiot.

176 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:05:10pm

At least I’m enjoying the ride.

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177 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:05:51pm

re: #176 darthstar

At least I’m enjoying the ride.

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Sounds like Hell has a great lineup.

178 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:06:27pm

This really pisses me off, considering that Apple and other large companies use Ireland as a tax dodge to avoid paying taxes to the US.

IMF approves next $1 billion for Ireland bailout program

cnbc.com

“WASHINGTON, Sept 25 (Reuters) - The International Monetary Fund disbursed the next $1 billion aid tranche to Ireland on Wednesday, as the European island nation remains on track with the conditions of its loan program.

“The IMF is one of a trio of lenders overseeing Dublin’s 85 billion euro ($115 billion) bailout, necessary after its biggest banks collapsed in 2010. The IMF’s portion of the program is about $30 billion.

“Ireland is set to become the first euro zone country to exit an EU/IMF bailout in December after returning to debt markets, but its economy still needs to start growing by more than 2 percent per annum from next year on to help make its national debt sustainable.”

I suppose the bankers and corps take care of each other and the hell with the rest of us.

179 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:06:44pm

re: #176 darthstar

At least I’m enjoying the ride.

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If those three are in hell and those holding the sign are in heaven, I think Hell would be the place to be. I mean I’m no deadhead but I’d rather hang out with Jerry Garcia than some bitter fundie asshole who thinks music is sinful.

180 AlexRogan  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:07:03pm

re: #172 psddluva4evah

Oh, so Newt Gingrich is probably a lying ratfinkin’ hypocrite! Naw, REALLY…

Is Newt Gingrich breaking CNN’s rules?
By HADAS GOLD | 9/25/13 5:38 PM EDT

Just weeks into his new role, CNN Crossfire host Newt Gingrich has already broken some ethical rules set forth by the network’s executive vice president of standards and practices, according to a new report from Media Matters For America, the liberal watchdog group.

CNN EVP for standards and practices Rick Davis told Media Matters in early September that Gingrich would be required to disclose if he or a PAC he is connected to is donating to a candidate who appeared or was discussed on the show.

“If Newt is helping fund a candidate and that candidate’s on the show, or being discussed on the show, of course he’ll disclose that,” Davis said. “Disclosure is important when it’s relevant.”

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has been a guest on Crossfire and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) has been a topic on the show. Mother Jones reports that Gingrich’s PAC has donated to both Senators recently, and that Gingrich didn’t make note of the donations in either episode.

Requests for comment to CNN were not returned.

Same as it ever was…

181 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:07:03pm

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

Sounds like Hell has a great lineup.

Plenty of fire for Jimi to burn his guitar on.

182 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:09:49pm

Even better news: my status as alum gives me a discount on the classes, which I didn’t know until I got a receipt for a refund this morning. Hooray!

183 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:11:08pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

Plenty of fire for Jimi to burn his guitar on.

And Thursdays is Taco Night!!

184 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:11:53pm

re: #171 A Mom Anon

prepare for lots of dog peeing with the prednisone.

185 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:12:28pm
186 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:13:14pm

re: #183 Dr Lizardo

And Thursdays is Taco Night!!

Just for the hell of it and to piss them off:

Youtube Video

187 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:16:29pm

In probably the classiest rebuke to Piers Morgan ever, without even mentioning his name:

Comedy Central

188 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:17:58pm
189 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:19:30pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah, that’s what I was told. More drinking, maybe even more eating (which is kinda good since she’s not eating regularly now). Except for the getting up at night part, but it’s only short term. I swear this dog hit the lottery moving in with us, lol.

190 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:20:29pm

re: #186 Justanotherhuman

Oh yeah, that still pisses some folks off out there. I have no idea why.

191 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:21:11pm

I really don’t know what to make of this. There are apparently issues at Fort Hood involving at least one soldier going off base with an AR-15 and engaging in confrontations with police. Michael Yon is the one reporting this, and he’s singling out one soldier in particular with whom he has a history. And it also involves a charity, Soldiers Angels.

Soldiers can face discipline for open carry of their weapons without showing their military ID.

Once again, it looks like there are serious problems at Fort Hood and the superior officers aren’t doing a particularly good job in dealing with discipline issues, potential mental health issues, and soldiers who think that they are above the law.

The policy comes after recent incidents in which soldiers openly carrying long guns were asked by police to show identification and they refused.

“The purpose of this policy is to assist law enforcement personnel in determining whether a service member constitutes a threat to the public safety, without confrontation, in order to protect service members and civilians from avoidable accidents or incidents that could result in death or serious injury,” the memo states.

Although open carry of handguns in Texas is banned, it is legal to openly carry long guns, such as rifles, carbines or shotguns.

The memo cites as the basis for the Fort Hood policy “a growing trend of soldiers assigned to Fort Hood openly carrying firearms in private business establishments in the greater local area in an attempt to publicly assert their Second Amendment right.”

Asking for ID is a way to deter soldiers from exercising their legal right to carry their weapons, said Robert Sneed, a spokesman with Open Carry Texas, which is protesting the new policy.

“The policy change effectively forces active-duty personnel to provide identification under any and all circumstances,” Sneed said. Soldiers who openly carry are being profiled by police, who ask for their ID and then call the soldier’s command, he said.

I tend to trust Yon, and we know that Fort Hood has had issues in the past, but something smells here. I just can’t put my finger on which parts.

192 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:22:56pm

re: #173 darthstar

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hehehe

193 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:23:04pm

re: #176 darthstar

If there is a hell, I’ll see you there…

194 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:23:35pm

Things that aren’t like the Nazis:

- believing that gay people are moral degenerates conspiring to take over the country.
- believing some people should just die because they’re life undeserving of life (and can’t afford care)
- talking about how certain types of people don’t deserve civil liberties because of group blame
- talking about how unions are all socialist and need to be busted up
- education re-cast as an ideological struggle in which revisionist history and propaganda are necessary tools to form a new generation of “politcally correct” youth (in the original, terrifying sense of the term, not the *I’m a whiny gutless coward that wants to say ugly things but also hide behind a sense of vindication*)

Things that are like Nazis:

- making insurance companies compete like there was a free market or something
- voter registration
- helping people not die

For reasons. REAL reasons.

195 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:25:44pm

re: #194 The Ghost of a Flea

I wish I could upding you more.

196 calochortus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:26:11pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

If those three are in hell and those holding the sign are in heaven, I think Hell would be the place to be. I mean I’m no deadhead but I’d rather hang out with Jerry Garcia than some bitter fundie asshole who thinks music is sinful.

A relative of mine was once told by her concerned, born-again daughter that she would burn in Hell if she didn’t adopt the proper religion. Said relative replied that her deceased husband was presumably there along with most of their friends, so she’d just as soon go there too. I believe that was the last she heard of the issue.

197 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:26:22pm

re: #193 lawhawk

If there is a hell, I’ll see you there…

Peter: Wait! Before you go, what’s Heaven like?
Nate Griffin: It’s fine. There’s a shortage of chairs.
Peter: Oh.
Nate Griffin: Yeah. Take it easy, Peter.

198 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:27:16pm

Once seen, cannot be unseen.

199 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:27:39pm

re: #186 Justanotherhuman

Just for the hell of it and to piss them off:

youtube.com

The POV of the opening shot is about where a friend and I were standing during Hendrix’s performance.

200 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:28:45pm

re: #191 lawhawk

I agree, Yon usually get’s his facts right.

201 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:29:08pm

re: #191 lawhawk

That is really some scary shit, and Grisham sounds like a nutball 2nd Amendmenter who needs to be drummed out, considering the kind of hijinks he pulled. (And I think his 15 yr old son was crying because he’s scared shitless of his crazy-assed father.)

202 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:32:45pm
“Compared to the judicial machine, we are nobodies, and we have lost. On the other hand, we have won. The whole world now sees that the criminal case against us has been fabricated ….The world sees Russia differently than the way Putin tries to present it,” said Yekaterina Samutsevich.

I love these ladies!

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203 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:33:22pm
204 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:33:34pm
205 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:34:29pm

Cue the RWNJ ‘splodey heads:

206 Dr. Matt  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:35:51pm

re: #203 Lidane

207 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:36:40pm

re: #203 Lidane

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That’s kinda near me… .

208 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:37:08pm

re: #191 lawhawk

Grisham sounds like a confrontational nut.

NCO arrested for refusing to put down weapon

[Temple Police Department spokesman Cpl. Chris Wilcox] said Grisham’s arrest is not about gun rights.

“Temple, Texas, is a Second Amendment supporter,” he said. “I personally support people’s right to keep and bear arms. … It’s a simple officer safety thing. The safety of my officers is paramount. If an officer asks you to put down a weapon so he can speak to you, anyone should comply with that.

209 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:37:45pm

re: #205 Lidane

How come x-presidents are so much kewler than serving presidents?

210 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:38:03pm

re: #196 calochortus

For these people it’s The Jesus Club and they’re better than anyone who isn’t in the club. It gives them barely opaque cover for looking down their nose at others. It’s not very Christlike or loving to tell people who do things or like things that you don’t that you’re going to Hell to roast like a chicken for all eternity. For some reason that escapes these jerks, and it’s because of the whole Club thing. Smug assholes. Clean up your own yard first.

211 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:38:38pm

re: #209 FemNaziBitch

How come x-presidents are so much kewler than serving presidents?

Because they don’t have to pander for votes anymore.

212 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:39:23pm

re: #142 dog philosopher

single malt

these days i’m sticking to bourbon, mself

a maker’s mark on the rocks please

I’ve become very fond of Benchmark. Nice quality, fairly low cost. Good for sipping or for a Manhattan (though rye is even better still for that.)

213 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:39:52pm

re: #203 Lidane


picture of the fire

214 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:40:54pm

re: #210 A Mom Anon

For these people it’s The Jesus Club and they’re better than anyone who isn’t in the club. It gives them barely opaque cover for looking down their nose at others. It’s not very Christlike or loving to tell people who do things or like things that you don’t that you’re going to Hell to roast like a chicken for all eternity. For some reason that escapes these jerks, and it’s because of the whole Club thing. Smug assholes. Clean up your own yard first.

Which is a total 180 from how Jesus actually lived.

215 calochortus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:42:34pm

re: #210 A Mom Anon

Not to mention, I don’t recall the part of the Bible where it discusses jury selection for salvation decisions…

216 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:42:43pm

re: #209 FemNaziBitch

No re-election or politics to worry about. No fund raising or any of that. You can step out of the mold a little if you want without paying any real big price for it.

217 piratedan  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:42:58pm

re: #214 FemNaziBitch

Which is a total 180 from how Jesus actually lived.

oh yeah, they read the Bible, they just didn’t understand it….

218 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:43:13pm

re: #191 lawhawk

I really don’t know what to make of this. There are apparently issues at Fort Hood involving at least one soldier going off base with an AR-15 and engaging in confrontations with police. Michael Yon is the one reporting this, and he’s singling out one soldier in particular with whom he has a history. And it also involves a charity, Soldiers Angels.

Soldiers can face discipline for open carry of their weapons without showing their military ID.

Once again, it looks like there are serious problems at Fort Hood and the superior officers aren’t doing a particularly good job in dealing with discipline issues, potential mental health issues, and soldiers who think that they are above the law.

I tend to trust Yon, and we know that Fort Hood has had issues in the past, but something smells here. I just can’t put my finger on which parts.

There’s a couple oversights in the article—it doesn’t seem to grasp that the policy is to show ID to law enforcement whether you are armed or not, and it should mention that the long guns, certainly the AR15s, are privately-owned.

219 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:43:57pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

picture of the fire

Another picture

220 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:47:40pm

I’m happy to note, by the way, that all the little bugs are ironed out of the subscription process, and now ad-free access is completely automatic — as long as you’re signed in to LGF when you subscribe, or if your PayPal email address is the same as your LGF email address.

PayPal’s IPN system (the system that allows LGF to get a message when someone subscribes and set up the ad-free access) is kind of showing its age, and some of the docs are out of date and even wrong in spots. I actually spent several hours yesterday rewriting the whole IPN script from scratch, testing it at every step to make sure the communication was working, and found the problem eventually.

221 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:50:04pm

I don’t know Lizards.. I want to go to heaven when I die.
Maybe Jimi and Jerry may not have strings for their guitars in Hell. although Jimi probably knows all the smoking hot nasty girls there and what guy doesn’t want that?
I worry that Heaven may get boring also..Streets of Gold is too soft for my Super Hummer to drive on..And will there be a Home Depot so I can work on my Mansion on the Hill? Forever is a long time without an upgrade. Will all the good girls in Heaven be like Sandra Bullock or Meg Ryan? What happens after I trash Sandra and there is no one else left to ruin?
Well..I shouldn’t worry.. It is Heaven after all even if I get stuck with Tammy Baker forever..( Do you think Tammy will feel like she is in Hell? Hope so..)

222 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:51:03pm

So basically, 79% of the people polled here are idiots:

223 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:51:05pm

re: #220 Charles Johnson

I’m happy to note, by the way, that all the little bugs are ironed out of the subscription process, and now ad-free access is completely automatic — as long as you’re signed in to LGF when you subscribe, or if your PayPal email address is the same as your LGF email address.

PayPal’s IPN system (the system that allows LGF to get a message when someone subscribes and set up the ad-free access) is kind of showing its age, and some of the docs are out of date and even wrong in spots. I actually spent several hours yesterday rewriting the whole IPN script from scratch, testing it at every step to make sure the communication was working, and found the problem eventually.

Since my LGF email is different from my PayPal addy, I got the Pledge Week bennie of getting a personal email from Charles so he could sort out who I am.
Woot!

or…… it’s an NSA sneak attack.

heh…

224 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:52:06pm

re: #191 lawhawk

…snip…
I tend to trust Yon, and we know that Fort Hood has had issues in the past, but something smells here. I just can’t put my finger on which parts.

The charity is a scam:

charitynavigator.org

225 compound_Idaho  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:52:27pm

re: #204 lawhawk

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The problem is that Texas family used to make 60K a year and received health insurance through their employer. Because of the unintended consequences of the ACA, the employer dropped their health insurance and cut their hours to avoid the penalties, shifting the cost via subsidies onto the tax payers.

226 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:53:53pm

re: #225 compound_Idaho

Because of the unintended consequences of the ACA the American right wing losing their shit over Obama passing one of their ideas, the employer dropped their health insurance and cut their hours to avoid the penalties, shifting the cost via subsidies onto the tax payers.

FTFY

227 calochortus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:55:57pm

re: #225 compound_Idaho

The problem is that Texas family used to make 60K a year and received health insurance through their employer. Because of the unintended consequences of the ACA, the employer dropped their health insurance and cut their hours to avoid the penalties, shifting the cost via subsidies onto the tax payers.

An argument for single payer government funded healthcare.

228 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:58:03pm

re: #221 A Man for all Seasons

I don’t know Lizards.. I want to go to heaven when I die.

Well, I’m not worried about it.

I think when I die, I die. It’s over.

229 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:58:07pm

Suck it, Ted Cruz…you fucking fuck.

I don’t suppose Ted Cruz will be mentioning any of this in his speechifying on the Senate floor tonight. But it’s worth taking a look at those numbers. After tax credits, that family of four in Texas will pay $3,384 per year for the second-lowest-cost silver plan. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, the average family with employer health coverage pays $4,565 per year in contributions. Those aren’t directly comparable, but they’re close. What it means is that although Obamacare is hardly free, it does allow individuals to buy coverage for roughly the same amount they’d have to pay with an employer plan. No one is shut out of the market any longer.

motherjones.com

230 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 3:58:14pm

re: #222 Lidane

So basically, 79% of the people polled here are idiots:

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If the GOP has succeeded with anything, it’s the misinformation campaign that it’s waged since Day One of Obama’s presidency. I wonder how many of that 79% have bought into the “home budget” BS.

231 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:00:58pm

How well do you see color?

232 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:01:08pm

bbl

233 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:01:11pm

re: #228 FemNaziBitch

Well, I’m not worried about it.

I think when I die, I die. It’s over.

Me, too.
But I’ll not turn my nose up at an after-last-breath surprise.

234 calochortus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:01:27pm

re: #228 FemNaziBitch

Well, I’m not worried about it.

I think when I die, I die. It’s over.

I agree. And I find that an oddly comforting belief in many ways.

235 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:05:35pm

Trying to decipher the morass of rules governing HSAs to determine how to withdraw our excess contribution for the year (since the job change brought with it - wait for it - new health insurance that disqualifies us from having an HSA for those months and we’d already done the full contribution for the year) gives me a headache.

Can we just have fucking single payer already?

236 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:06:45pm

re: #217 piratedan

oh yeah, they read the Bible, they just didn’t understand it….

the churches have had 2000 years to come up with explanations of how jesus didn’t mean what he said

237 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:08:32pm

re: #235 klys

Trying to decipher the morass of rules governing HSAs to determine how to withdraw our excess contribution for the year (since the job change brought with it - wait for it - new health insurance that disqualifies us from having an HSA for those months and we’d already done the full contribution for the year) gives me a headache.

Can we just have fucking single payer already?

Baby steps, Grasshopper.

238 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:08:43pm

re: #228 FemNaziBitch

Well, I’m not worried about it.

I think when I die, I die. It’s over.

And people like Hitler go unpunished? I’m not down with that.
Well..Who knows? Somebody said in the Bible that we eat and drink and then die..
I have faith there is more to this life..

239 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:09:31pm

ASDA is owned by Walmart.

Asda ‘mental patient’ costume withdrawn from sale online

bbc.co.uk

At Walmart Online, I didn’t find that, but did find this one: walmart.com

240 calochortus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:11:24pm

re: #238 A Man for all Seasons

Well, that’s just it-we don’t know. Which is why we should try to live the best life we can now.

241 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:11:48pm

re: #239 Justanotherhuman

ASDA is owned by Walmart.

Asda ‘mental patient’ costume withdrawn from sale online

bbc.co.uk

At Walmart Online, I didn’t find that, but did find this one: walmart.com

At least the British knew how to make a real apology.

242 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:12:02pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

Baby steps, Grasshopper.

Tax publications make me cranky. Would it kill them to at least include a hyperlink to the relevant form?

243 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:13:40pm

re: #231 FemNaziBitch

How well do you see color?

I scored a 74! I was pretty excited about that until I realized that a 0 was a high score and a 99 was a low.

244 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:17:00pm

re: #240 calochortus

Well, that’s just it-we don’t know. Which is why we should try to live the best life we can now.

Remembering that ‘best’ includes giving your only suicide pill to a frightened comrade before the Kuomintang feeds the two of you into a boiler.

245 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:18:48pm

re: #243 darthstar

I scored a 74! I was pretty excited about that until I realized that a 0 was a high score and a 99 was a low.

I got 8.

That was a lot of fun. :D

246 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:19:03pm

re: #243 darthstar

I scored a 74! I was pretty excited about that until I realized that a 0 was a high score and a 99 was a low.

I wouldn’t worry about it. The best color correction people I know are functionally colorblind, know how to use the numbers.

247 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:19:06pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

Remembering that ‘best’ includes giving your only suicide pill to a frightened comrade before the Kuomintang feeds the two of you into a boiler.

You have a few oddities rolling around in your head…

248 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:19:46pm

re: #246 goddamnedfrank

I wouldn’t worry about it. The best color correction people I know are functionally colorblind, know how to use the numbers.

Also, HIGHLY dependent on monitor calibration.

249 danarchy  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:19:50pm

re: #231 FemNaziBitch

How well do you see color?

I scored a 25, not sure if that’s good or bad, but what I do know is that thing gave me a serious headache.

250 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:19:57pm

re: #247 wrenchwench

You have a few oddities rolling around in your head…

I was an undisciplined reader as a yute:

amazon.com

251 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:20:33pm

re: #235 klys

Trying to decipher the morass of rules governing HSAs to determine how to withdraw our excess contribution for the year (since the job change brought with it - wait for it - new health insurance that disqualifies us from having an HSA for those months and we’d already done the full contribution for the year) gives me a headache.

Can we just have fucking single payer already?

As someone moving to the states from a country with UHC… this shit is complicated and annoying and sounds expensive.

252 calochortus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:20:44pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

My, what a cheerful thought.

253 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:21:13pm

re: #231 FemNaziBitch

How well do you see color?

6.
RON PAUL.

254 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:21:34pm

re: #251 McSpiff

As someone moving to the states from a country with UHC… this shit is complicated and annoying and sounds expensive.

Welcome to the joys of the American health care system. Let me be the first to invite you to shoot yourself in the head, as it will be faster and less painful.

//

255 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:22:37pm

Evening Helios.

Karma: 0

Helios
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Care to join in?

256 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:23:05pm

re: #243 darthstar

I scored a 74! I was pretty excited about that until I realized that a 0 was a high score and a 99 was a low.

I did pretty well, actually, considering…

Your score: 52
Gender: Female
Age range: Above 70
Best score for your gender and age range: -160
Highest score for your gender and age range: 2199978

I don’t understand what the minus 160 means, though.

257 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:23:06pm

re: #250 Decatur Deb

I was an undisciplined reader as a yute:

amazon.com

Undisciplined is the only way to read. I’m concerned that we’re not telling kids not to read enough books these days.

Have you read this one?

258 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:23:22pm

re: #254 klys

Welcome to the joys of the American health care system. Let me be the first to invite you to shoot yourself in the head, as it will be faster and less painful.

//

You know, I got a great offer from a great company. But when I found out I’d technically lose access to the Canadian system, I had to seriously reflect on it…

259 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:23:53pm

re: #231 FemNaziBitch

How well do you see color?

I got a 12.
My eyes were starting to cross.

260 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:24:02pm

re: #248 klys

Also, HIGHLY dependent on monitor calibration.

Shhh!
It’s how I made it easier!
;)

261 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:24:15pm

re: #248 klys

Also, HIGHLY dependent on monitor calibration.

I see color slightly differently with each eye. I noticed it when lying on the beach one day, peeking at the sky with one eye, then the other.

262 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:25:07pm

re: #261 wrenchwench

I see color slightly differently with each eye. I noticed it when lying on the beach one day, peeking at the sky with one eye, then the other.

Maybe that test is why I prefer bright colors now, not muted tones…

263 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:25:54pm

re: #258 McSpiff

You know, I got a great offer from a great company. But when I found out I’d technically lose access to the Canadian system, I had to seriously reflect on it…

I won’t lie, having your health insurance tied to a job SUCKS ASS because of reasons. In our situation, they changed what plan was available to us this year (so our insurance changed in January) and then announced the sale of his unit to another company in April. Which means …different insurance, YET AGAIN. And the tax code implications of the one we had from January to September (or rather, don’t have from October to December…) are a mess.

I’m grateful we have any at all, but that doesn’t mean I think this is a great system.

264 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:25:55pm

re: #235 klys

re: #251 McSpiff

What is lovingly called “Obamacare” was a bit of a bastard child, being conceived by the far right but abandoned at birth, adopted by a then-conveniently-compromising Mitt Romney, and finally re-born as an attempt by congressional Democrats to find a compromise that didn’t happen but was still passed and made law because the newly President Obama would play ball with then speaker Nancy Pelosi.

No, this is not the way someone would design a system from scratch.

265 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:26:06pm

re: #248 klys

Also, HIGHLY dependent on monitor calibration.

Nope. If you know the numbers and are meticulous about your workflow then monitor calibration is largely irrelevant. Monitor calibration and consistent lighting is important for amateurs, casual proofing and quick fixes, but if you know your shit it’s not at all necessary.

266 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:27:05pm

re: #265 goddamnedfrank

Nope. If you know the numbers and are meticulous about your workflow then monitor calibration is largely irrelevant. Monitor calibration and consistent lighting is important for amateurs, casual proofing and quick fixes, but if you know your shit it’s not at all necessary.

I realized my comment could be interpreted that way, and I agree that the numbers matter for shite in actual work, but for this test, monitor calibration can make quite a big difference. :) My fault for not being clear.

267 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:28:06pm

re: #263 klys

I won’t lie, having your health insurance tied to a job SUCKS ASS because of reasons. In our situation, they changed what plan was available to us this year (so our insurance changed in January) and then announced the sale of his unit to another company in April. Which means …different insurance, YET AGAIN. And the tax code implications of the one we had from January to September (or rather, don’t have from October to December…) are a mess.

I’m grateful we have any at all, but that doesn’t mean I think this is a great system.

Talking with friends, it makes as much sense to me as having car ownership tied to employment. Oh you’ve been fired? No more Ford for you…

268 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:28:19pm

re: #231 FemNaziBitch

How well do you see color?

ooo! classifying!

just the thing for OCD programmer types!

269 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:28:28pm

re: #257 wrenchwench

Undisciplined is the only way to read. I’m concerned that we’re not telling kids not to read enough books these days.

Have you read this one?

No. Sounds good, but I just skipped from Pearl Buck to Malraux. She has a great line about “When the rich become too rich and the poor become too poor..”

270 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:30:35pm

re: #267 McSpiff

Talking with friends, it makes as much sense to me as having car ownership tied to employment. Oh you’ve been fired? No more Ford for you…

Like many Lizards, I am waiting to see what comes out of the exchanges - it may not be perfect or what any of us would *really* want but it’s sounding like it will be more possible to buy a reasonably priced health insurance plan for a lot of people that isn’t tied to your job.

Which is better than where we are now, even if not where I’d like us to be.

271 compound_Idaho  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:30:58pm

re: #235 klys

Trying to decipher the morass of rules governing HSAs to determine how to withdraw our excess contribution for the year (since the job change brought with it - wait for it - new health insurance that disqualifies us from having an HSA for those months and we’d already done the full contribution for the year) gives me a headache.

Can we just have fucking single payer already?

It used to be extremely simple, just transfer the funds and report the right figures on your tax forms, but ACA f’d that up too.

272 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:31:45pm

re: #230 Targetpractice

If the GOP has succeeded with anything, it’s the misinformation campaign that it’s waged since Day One of Obama’s presidency. I wonder how many of that 79% have bought into the “home budget” BS.

Considering how many people flunk on the home budget “bs” the home budget bs is even worse than you can imagine. And their home budget bs ignores that some debt is good - like when you take a mortgage on your home, take a HELOC to do home improvements, etc.

273 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:31:45pm

re: #269 Decatur Deb

The attempt to force human beings to despise themselves is what I call hell.
Andre Malraux

274 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:32:08pm

re: #231 FemNaziBitch

How well do you see color?

Interesting. I scored a ‘20’.

275 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:32:50pm

re: #267 McSpiff

Talking with friends, it makes as much sense to me as having car ownership tied to employment. Oh you’ve been fired? No more Ford for you…

My dad always had a company car when I was a kid. A Ford…

276 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:32:53pm

re: #270 klys

Like many Lizards, I am waiting to see what comes out of the exchanges - it may not be perfect or what any of us would *really* want but it’s sounding like it will be more possible to buy a reasonably priced health insurance plan for a lot of people that isn’t tied to your job.

Which is better than where we are now, even if not where I’d like us to be.

Waiting for my login for training to become a facilitator for Alabama signups. It will be hard, because our Governor turned down Fed money to subsidize 300,000 of the poorest. I really need a well-stoked boiler.

277 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:33:13pm

re: #231 FemNaziBitch

How well do you see color?

i got a 10

it seems my color discrimination is lowest in the blue/green areas

278 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:34:01pm

re: #271 compound_Idaho

It used to be extremely simple, just transfer the funds, but ACA f’d that up.

Maybe you are thinking of FSAs?

HSAs have some very nice tax implications (money goes in pre-tax, comes out taxfree as long as used for medical expenses or are over 65) and can be invested (which we did) to produce additional growth.

On the other hand, if some money was put in in excess of the contribution limit (which we managed to hit because of insurance changes driven by the employer), then it needs to be withdrawn, along with any income associated with it, and taxed.

Hence the headache.

279 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:34:08pm

re: #269 Decatur Deb

No. Sounds good, but I just skipped from Pearl Buck to Malraux. She has a great line about “When the rich become too rich and the poor become too poor..”

Best nonfiction of course was Barbara Tuchman:

amazon.com

280 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:34:09pm

re: #261 wrenchwench

I see color slightly differently with each eye. I noticed it when lying on the beach one day, peeking at the sky with one eye, then the other.

Part of that is a combination of shifting dilation and latency in brain processing. Each time you switch eyes you’re going from a constricted pupil to a dilated one. Also the human brain processes colors in context of the surrounding palate.

I can’t find it now but there’s used to be a good online image that demonstrated this. If you dragged a black mask over a certain mosaic image the perceived color of a swatch that matched the cut out in the mask would shift noticeably.

281 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:34:58pm

re: #257 wrenchwench

Undisciplined is the only way to read. I’m concerned that we’re not telling kids not to read enough books these days.

Have you read this one?

Little FB meme going around among some friends right now to post a status that is the 5th sentence on the 52nd page of the book currently closest to you. (Post the sentence and the above rule on your status.)

Seen a few interesting ones so far. I’m advocating stringing them all together in a few days, work out the plot, and figure out what to title it.
;)

282 McSpiff  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:35:16pm

re: #275 wrenchwench

My dad always had a company car when I was a kid. A Ford…

So this is all YOUR fault… ;-)

283 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:37:45pm
284 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:39:43pm

re: #276 Decatur Deb

Waiting for my login for training to become a facilitator for Alabama signups. It will be hard, because our Governor turned down Fed money to subsidize 300,000 of the poorest. I really need a well-stoked boiler.

NC is like that too. If you can’t qualify for Medicaid, say you’re 1 person and make only $10K a year, depending on the income limit for Medicaid in your state, you have to pay 1/4 of your annual salary for health care for the silver plan (I looked it up in a previous thread). It’s really going to create a “pocket” of the working poor that won’t have any coverage in states like NC & AL. Having to pay it would break them.

285 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:39:50pm

re: #283 Lidane

Would it possibly be this:

Youtube Video

286 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:41:05pm

Since this is an open thread.

[rant on] WTF UPS? My fucking package hit town at 0220 hrs this morning. It was put on the truck at 0616 hrs for delivery. It is now 1736 hrs and it still hasn’t been delivered. I realize that commercial deliveries are a priority, But ffs, would it be that difficult to have a few trucks assigned to residential deliveries?

Signed Me [/rant off]

287 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:41:12pm

Hacker ‘mercenaries’ linked to Japan, South Korea spying: researchers

A small, sophisticated international hacking group was responsible for a widely publicized 2011 spying attack on members of Japan’s parliament as well as dozens of previously undisclosed breaches at government agencies and strategic companies in Japan and South Korea, security researchers said.

Researchers at Kaspersky Lab believe they have found a squad of hackers for hire, who contract out to governments and possibly businesses, in contrast to recent reports on hacks said to be carried out by full-time government employees.

“What we have here is the emergence of small groups of cyber-mercenaries available to perform targeted attacks,” said Kaspersky’s global research director, Costin Raiu, in an interview with Reuters.

[…]

I wonder if Blackwater has developed a cyber-mercenary team yet.

288 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:41:33pm

Okay. I just did the one year subscription thing. How do I stop the monthly subscription?

289 compound_Idaho  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:41:55pm

re: #278 klys

I’ve had an HSA since their inception. They are much more difficult to handle now since ACA. The only complicating factor would have been the fact that you made some money on the excess contribution. Good for you.

290 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:42:02pm

re: #286 Bubblehead II

Since this is an open thread.

[rant on] WTF UPS? My fucking package hit town at 0220 hrs this morning. It was put on the truck at 0616 hrs for delivery. It is now 1736 hrs and it still hasn’t been delivered. I realize that commercial deliveries are a priority, But ffs, would it be that difficult to have a few trucks assigned to residential deliveries?

Signed Me [/rant off]

If it’s anywhere like around here, it’ll show between 6:30 and 7pm.

291 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:42:22pm

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

Part of that is a combination of shifting dilation and latency in brain processing. Each time you switch eyes you’re going from a constricted pupil to a dilated one. Also the human brain processes colors in context of the surrounding palate.

I can’t find it now but there’s used to be a good online image that demonstrated this. If you dragged a black mask over a certain mosaic image the perceived color of a swatch that matched the cut out in the mask would shift noticeably.

That makes a lot of sense especially considering the bright environment of my original test.

292 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:42:45pm

re: #281 Feline Fearless Leader

Little FB meme going around among some friends right now to post a status that is the 5th sentence on the 52nd page of the book currently closest to you. (Post the sentence and the above rule on your status.)

Seen a few interesting ones so far. I’m advocating stringing them all together in a few days, work out the plot, and figure out what to title it.
;)

Fair test:

Gioia a te, Gioia a te, Gioia a te, Gioia a te.

Joy to you, Joy to you, Joy to you, Joy to you.

1911 Score of M. Butterfly

293 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:43:41pm

re: #286 Bubblehead II

Since this is an open thread.

[rant on] WTF UPS? My fucking package hit town at 0220 hrs this morning. It was put on the truck at 0616 hrs for delivery. It is now 1736 hrs and it still hasn’t been delivered. I realize that commercial deliveries are a priority, But ffs, would it be that difficult to have a few trucks assigned to residential deliveries?

Signed Me [/rant off]

Most time I get my UPS deliveries around 10 a.m. But sometimes it’s around this time of night (7-8 pm) and it’s my driver’s last delivery of the night. And he’s been working since 5 a.m.
I like my UPS guy. When there’s a sub it’s a nightmare.

294 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:44:21pm

re: #288 PhillyPretzel

Okay. I just did the one year subscription thing. How do I stop the monthly subscription?

go into subscriptions and cancel the monthly thingie.

295 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:45:27pm

re: #289 compound_Idaho

I’ve had an HSA since their inception. They are much more difficult to handle now since ACA. The only complicating factor would have been the fact that you made some money on the excess contribution. Good for you.

That’s not really the ACA’s fault though.

The biggest headache so far has been my inability to find the information from the company handling the account about how to withdraw the excess (and it’s not in my name so I can’t call and ask) and the fact that the IRS can’t hyperlink forms, apparently.

They sent us a debit card that we could use for it (which we were intending to use it as a retirement savings account, so, whatever) and you have to keep track of receipts but for anything where it’s tax free, you’d have to do that.

296 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:45:43pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now that I am signed in I can’t find it.

297 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:47:27pm

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

Here’s a good demonstration of the illusion I was talking about. No. 2 and 3 are best examples.

This is why colorblind people have an advantage in file workflow, they already know not to trust their own subjective assessment.

298 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:48:36pm

re: #281 Feline Fearless Leader

Little FB meme going around among some friends right now to post a status that is the 5th sentence on the 52nd page of the book currently closest to you. (Post the sentence and the above rule on your status.)

Seen a few interesting ones so far. I’m advocating stringing them all together in a few days, work out the plot, and figure out what to title it.
;)

Title it “Class War” ;)

299 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:48:49pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

With luck the Latin version of _Green Eggs and Ham_ qualified. But does it have 52 pages, or even a 5th sentence on that page?

O_o

300 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:48:53pm

re: #296 PhillyPretzel

Now that I am signed in I can’t find it.

I think it’s on the PayPal side of things, but I haven’t switched from monthly to yearly yet so I can’t say for sure.

Did you get the stuff loaded onto your Kindle? I hadn’t heard the results.

301 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:49:09pm

So, are we going to start testing athletes for DNA like we do for alleged “drugs”?

Do elite ‘power sport’ athletes have a genetic advantage?

A specific gene variant is more frequent among elite athletes in power sports, reports a study in the October issue of The Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research, official research journal of the National Strength and Conditioning Association (NSCA). The journal is published by Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, a part of Wolters Kluwer Health.

A “functional polymorphism” of the angiotensiogen (AGT) gene is two to three times more common in elite power athletes, compared to nonathletes or even elite endurance athletes, according to the new research by Paweł Cięszczyk, PhD, of University of Szczecin, Poland, and colleagues. They write, “[T]he M23T variant in the AGT may be one of the genetic markers to investigate when an assessment of predisposition to power sports is made.”

[…]

302 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:49:38pm

re: #298 William Barnett-Lewis

Title it “Class War” ;)

Mine was: “But precisely how alive the enemy was to the impending invasion was unknown.”

Which would fit that title rather well.

:)

303 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:50:11pm

re: #300 klys

I am getting my books from amazon.

304 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:50:39pm

re: #296 PhillyPretzel

Now that I am signed in I can’t find it.

oh, I think Charles changed something when he was fixing the PayPal thing. I don’t see the subscription button anymore either.

305 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:51:24pm

re: #290 klys

If it’s anywhere like around here, it’ll show between 6:30 and 7pm.

Want to know what is really sad? I had two orders that were scheduled to be delivered by the USPS today. They showed up yesterday. Collaboration with DHAL and the USPS. Brown isn’t doing much by me.

306 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:51:50pm

re: #299 Feline Fearless Leader

With luck the Latin version of _Green Eggs and Ham_ qualified. But does it have 52 pages, or even a 5th sentence on that page?

O_o

Amazon says 71 pages—Think 5 sentences is a lot for Seuss. (Actually had to go to p 53—Pucinni is sparser than Seuss.)

307 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:52:54pm

Here’s another set of color perception illusions. Some of the shifts are so extreme that you’ll probably refuse to believe they aren’t hoaxes until you cut out your own physical masks and lay them over the screen.

308 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:54:40pm

re: #305 Bubblehead II

Want to know what is really sad? I had two orders that were scheduled to be delivered by the USPS today. They showed up yesterday. Collaboration with DHAL and the USPS. Brown isn’t doing much by me.

After an issue with the USPS when I moved out to CA for grad school and trying to get an insurance claim processed for items damaged or lost in transit (when the box is in pieces, some of my stuff is missing and there is stuff in the box that wasn’t mine - and I had an itemized list of the box contents that I was requesting reimbursement for, which was not the full amount the box was insured for, it shouldn’t take 6+ months and a phone call to DC), I refuse to use them unless it’s priority mail flat rate.

I know my local UPS guy pretty well - he does commercial deliveries in the morning, and then there’s a window in the afternoon for residential before they have to do commercial pickups. Sometimes he makes it by me then, but otherwise it’s after the commercial pickups are done.

309 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:56:26pm

It’s just not possible for popular media outlets to accurately communicate highly complex issues:

U.N. climate change panel to release summary of latest science Friday

With a new groundbreaking study on climate change seemingly coming out every other week, it can be hard to keep up with the latest findings.

Fortunately, every five to six years, the United Nations sums it up in a comprehensive report.
That’s what’s going on this week in the Swedish capital Stockholm, where the latest Assessment Report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is set for release on Friday. The document will bring together the latest research from top scientists around the field.

[…]

Um, no.


Indeed, one of the legitimate complaints (versus the manufactured outrage) about the IPCC is that the IPCC by the nature of their process lags the scientific literature by over a year, maybe two years.

By nature the IPCC is very conservative and behind the cutting edge. The IPCC’s goal is not to be cutting edge in science, but to communicate the important discoveries to governments.

310 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:58:00pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

Most time I get my UPS deliveries around 10 a.m. But sometimes it’s around this time of night (7-8 pm) and it’s my driver’s last delivery of the night. And he’s been working since 5 a.m.
I like my UPS guy. When there’s a sub it’s a nightmare.

Know how a sub goes. When the regular routr driver is off, E-9 suddenly becomes B-9 and I get a visit from the individual who lives at that address delivering a misdelivered package. It has happened twice so far.

Thankfully. the Gentleman is honest. I gave him our phone number so that if it happens again, he can call us and I will go and pick it up instead of him having to bring it over.

Calls to the local UPS office were, shall we say, not productive.

311 Mattand  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:00:36pm

re: #283 Lidane

NR has obtained a version of the debt-limit plan that’ll be discussed at Th’s closed-door House GOP mtg natl.re

You can tell it’s an official GOP document because it’s written in crayon and has “Screw over the black guy” scrawled all over it.

312 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:01:05pm

re: #310 Bubblehead II

Speaking of which….

My Doctor Who Series 7 has shipped!

This was the season that dragged me out of a deep depression, so I am impatient.

I realize that there are other problems with me right now (namely a warped personality), but being out of depression is a start.

313 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:02:03pm

re: #255 Bubblehead II

Evening Helios.

Karma: 0

Helios
(Logged in)
Registered since: Feb 5, 2013 at 10:38 pm
No. of comments posted: 0
No. of Pages posted: 0

Care to join in?

Helios is a good dinger (gives me updings!) but I too would be interested in seeing some typing….

314 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:03:07pm

re: #313 wrenchwench

Helios, get in here and start chatting please. :3

315 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:03:27pm

re: #313 wrenchwench

I agree that would be nice. I guess some folks do not like to type.

316 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:03:34pm

re: #310 Bubblehead II

Know how a sub goes. When the regular routr driver is off, E-9 suddenly becomes B-9 and I get a visit from the individual who lives at that address delivering a misdelivered package. It has happened twice so far.

Thankfully. the Gentleman is honest. I gave him our phone number so that if it happens again, he can call us and I will go and pick it up instead of him having to bring it over.

Calls to the local UPS office were, shall we say, not productive.

My shop is on a training route. Just when they start to get the hang of things, they get replaced.

317 compound_Idaho  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:04:30pm

re: #295 klys

That’s not really the ACA’s fault though.

The biggest headache so far has been my inability to find the information from the company handling the account about how to withdraw the excess (and it’s not in my name so I can’t call and ask) and the fact that the IRS can’t hyperlink forms, apparently.

They sent us a debit card that we could use for it (which we were intending to use it as a retirement savings account, so, whatever) and you have to keep track of receipts but for anything where it’s tax free, you’d have to do that.

Those are changes via ACA . I used to be able to move funds around at will between accounts. Now I too have a Debit card. Only qualifying institutions can take the $. My own checking account is no longer qualified to take $ from my own HSA. If I over contribute as you did or I just change my mind about what I want to contribute in a given year you’re f’d (as you now know).

PS Be especially careful about contributions made between Jan 1 and tax day. That now really messes things up.

318 urbanmeemaw  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:04:54pm

re: #46 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m a 2G Girl in a 4G World so my navigation aids consist of Mapquest instructions written on a post it.

319 urbanmeemaw  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:06:27pm

re: #61 klys

Yes. Especially when I just want the pasta to be done already.

320 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:06:48pm

AFP goes Dudebro:

Revealed: NSA spied on Martin Luther King and senators opposed to Vietnam War

The National Security Agency eavesdropped on civil rights icon Martin Luther King and heavyweight boxer Muhammad Ali as well as other leading critics of the Vietnam War in a secret program later deemed “disreputable,” declassified documents revealed Wednesday.

The six-year spying program, dubbed “Minaret,” had been exposed in the 1970s but the targets of the surveillance had been kept secret until now.

[…]


The agency carried out warrantless wiretapping between 2001-2004 and recent revelations from US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden have exposed far-reaching electronic surveillance of phone records and Internet traffic.


[…]

The AFP writer just propagates the idea that Snowden is a great revelator.

Sure enough, the first commenters at Raw Story jump on the bandwagon:

OldCrank VAGINA!!! • 2 minutes ago −
“The researchers who published the documents Wednesday said the spying
abuses during the Vietnam War era far surpass the excesses of the
current program.”

Since the excesses of the current program are only now being revealed (thank you, Edward Snowden), I’d say the statement above is just an eensy-weensy bit premature.

It has now become lodged into the group mindset of the anarcho-libertarians that Edward Snowden is a hero and that we’re all being much more victimized by the NSA than we can ever imagine.

321 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:08:11pm

Delayed dogwalk. BBL.

322 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:08:24pm

1801 MST and USP has finally shown up. Busisnesses first, Residential last. They pay more for shipping. But driver said he would pass along my complaint and suggestion for a couple of trucks dedicated to residential deliveries. Said he prefered residential deliveries as they were less complicated.

323 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:10:38pm

re: #313 wrenchwench

Helios is a good dinger (gives me updings!) but I too would be interested in seeing some typing….

Same here. Just trying to get some of the wall flowers off the wall and onto the dance floor.

324 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:10:52pm

re: #310 Bubblehead II

Those are contract drivers (the subs). A friend of mine has been working for the second time as one, and she hates it. Her route is 50 mi long w/700 boxes. She only runs it 1 day a week, and has since late spring. She tried to transfer out to a closer p.o. with better routes (which she worked at previously), but doesn’t have her “90 days” accumulated (which would only add up after the first of next year. The woman she subs for has “owned” that route for 20 yrs and doesn’t want it changed or shortened to a more manageable route, a big problem. My friend had problems w/young kids coming close to her vehicle, delaying the deliveries, because the reg person was giving the kids candy and they were out there every day, not to mention the various boxes that weren’t “regulation”.

So she’s quitting, effective in Oct.

325 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:10:52pm

re: #310 Bubblehead II

Know how a sub goes. When the regular routr driver is off, E-9 suddenly becomes B-9 and I get a visit from the individual who lives at that address delivering a misdelivered package. It has happened twice so far.

Thankfully. the Gentleman is honest. I gave him our phone number so that if it happens again, he can call us and I will go and pick it up instead of him having to bring it over.

Calls to the local UPS office were, shall we say, not productive.

For me, here in the backwoods, FedEx is the delivery service from hell. They only deliver here four days a week and stuff is always weeks late and badly damaged. I’ve gotten to the point if someone insists on shipping something to me FedEx, I tell them to forget it.

326 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:11:10pm

Cats have been out playing hacky-sack in the hall.

Image: Hacky-sack_I.jpg

327 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:12:41pm

re: #231 FemNaziBitch

How well do you see color?

Woohoo—19!

Jaunte, did you take it? Any other graphic designers, printers, or artists out there who deal with color?

328 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:14:15pm

re: #248 klys

Also, HIGHLY dependent on monitor calibration.

QFT

329 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:14:18pm
330 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:14:58pm

re: #261 wrenchwench

I see color slightly differently with each eye. I noticed it when lying on the beach one day, peeking at the sky with one eye, then the other.

Heh, trying to picture that…

331 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:15:47pm

Over all, I’ve had the best luck with USPS. Unfortunately there are some things I buy (ammo, C&R firearms, etc) that have to go by FedEx or UPS. UPS usually gets the nod as they’re cheaper and the shipping hub (which has to be used for either) is only an hour’s drive rather than an hour & a half.

But what angers me usually the most is when, by federal law they have to have an adult signature on a parcel (80 year old military bolt action rifle for example) gets the dump & run on the front steps. Considering the neighborhood at the time, I’m lucky it’s in my safe right now. Both FedEx & UPS have pulled that on me.

332 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:15:59pm

re: #327 CuriousLurker

I’m not sure the LCD on my old iMac is influencing the colors, especially off-axis.

333 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:16:58pm
334 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:17:10pm

Cankles has yet another fabulous nic: LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton

335 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:17:22pm

re: #45 jaunte

Wow, that was a fantastic little article, mostly because of the comment section.

336 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:17:54pm

Whoa, that’s scary…

337 urbanmeemaw  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:18:14pm

re: #147 jaunte

What is with these pathetic, whining bullies (Tea-mos and Rethugs) comparing themselves to Civil Rights and military heroes? And, of course, the mainslime media don’t ever call them out on it. Good grief.

338 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:19:26pm

re: #331 William Barnett-Lewis

Over all, I’ve had the best luck with USPS. Unfortunately there are some things I buy (ammo, C&R firearms, etc) that have to go by FedEx or UPS. UPS usually gets the nod as they’re cheaper and the shipping hub (which has to be used for either) is only an hour’s drive rather than an hour & a half.

But what angers me usually the most is when, by federal law they have to have an adult signature on a parcel (80 year old military bolt action rifle for example) gets the dump & run on the front steps. Considering the neighborhood at the time, I’m lucky it’s in my safe right now. Both FedEx & UPS have pulled that on me.

For some stuff I’ve used my work address since I get along with the mail room folk and a package will get signed for. The current apartment staff is pretty good about handling packages since a bunch arrive at once and they keep them, put a notice in the mailbox, and wait for the tenants to sign for them.

I’ve had issues with USPS, FedEx, and UPS at times - especially when dealing with fragiles (bottles/jars of hot sauce), delivery receipts, and bad addresses. They’ve all failed at one time or another regarding these issues.

339 compound_Idaho  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:22:58pm

re: #331 William Barnett-Lewis

Over all, I’ve had the best luck with USPS. Unfortunately there are some things I buy (ammo, C&R firearms, etc) that have to go by FedEx or UPS. UPS usually gets the nod as they’re cheaper and the shipping hub (which has to be used for either) is only an hour’s drive rather than an hour & a half.

But what angers me usually the most is when, by federal law they have to have an adult signature on a parcel (80 year old military bolt action rifle for example) gets the dump & run on the front steps. Considering the neighborhood at the time, I’m lucky it’s in my safe right now. Both FedEx & UPS have pulled that on me.

OMG USPS sucks sucks sucks. Almost never had a problem with FedEx or UPS. good service. good prices. My livelihood depends on it happening on time and delivery to the right place. USPS cannot do it.

340 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:23:30pm

Aaaaaand, here they go.

U.S. lawmakers seek to end bulk NSA telephone records collection

reuters.com

“The measure introduced by Democrats Ron Wyden, Mark Udall and Richard Blumenthal, and Republican Rand Paul, is one of several efforts making their way through Congress to rein in sweeping surveillance programs.

“The Senate Intelligence Committee is holding a public hearing on Thursday when the panel’s leaders are expected to discuss their surveillance reforms, the Senate Judiciary Committee is addressing the issue and several members of the House of Representatives have also introduced legislation.

(snip_)

“The strong support for the amendment - bolstered by an unlikely alliance of liberal Democrats and libertarian Republicans - surprised many congressional observers because House leaders and members of the Intelligence Committee had strongly opposed it.”

341 Helios  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:23:44pm

re: #255 Bubblehead II

Evening Helios.

Karma: 0

Helios
(Logged in)
Registered since: Feb 5, 2013 at 10:38 pm
No. of comments posted: 0
No. of Pages posted: 0

Care to join in?

I’m a lurker by nature. Sometimes I read everything and sometimes I just skim. I usually have nothing to add because so many people here already said it and usually better than I could anyways.

342 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:24:40pm

re: #329 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Gah, NOT adorable! I freaking hate robots & puppets the way some people hate clowns. And the bigger they are, the more they creep me out. Like those kinetic wind things BMW had on one of their commercials? It’s cool from an intellectual-art-physics perspective but… *shudder, whimper*

What was that guy’s name? Ah, right, Theo Jansen.

343 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:24:48pm

re: #327 CuriousLurker

I scored a 58, which is slightly worse than the median for my age group.

But again, viewing this on an LCD begs the question of how off-axis viewing is affecting the results.

I know from many years of testing at optometry outlets and self tests that there are a couple of shades that give me challenge.

344 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:25:02pm

re: #341 Helios

I’m a lurker by nature. Sometimes I read everything and sometimes I just skim. I usually have nothing to add because so many people here already said it and usually better than I could anyways.

Still, welcome hatchling all the same.

I pretend to add content and it still took me 3 months of lurking before I said anything.

Some days I’m sure a few Lizards wish I would shut up and go back to it. ;)

345 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:28:09pm

Night Lizards. Movie night tonight. Star Trek followed by Star Trek into Darkness.

Sleep well and as always, May the Diety of your choice smile down upon you.

346 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:28:44pm

re: #344 klys

Still, welcome hatchling all the same.

I pretend to add content and it still took me 3 months of lurking before I said anything.

Some days I’m sure a few Lizards wish I would shut up and go back to it. ;)

We all do but we are far too polite to say so.

347 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:28:49pm

re: #341 Helios

I’m a lurker by nature. Sometimes I read everything and sometimes I just skim. I usually have nothing to add because so many people here already said it and usually better than I could anyways.

WELCOME HATCHLING!

348 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:29:29pm

re: #343 freetoken

I scored a 58, which is slightly worse than the median for my age group.

But again, viewing this on an LCD begs the question of how off-axis viewing is affecting the results.

I know from many years of testing at optometry outlets and self tests that there are a couple of shades that give me challenge.

I figure I have an advantage being female and working with color every day. Plus, my monitor has an IPS panel and is calibrated.

349 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:29:30pm

A bit late, but WTH.

HP severs ties with Navy Yard shooter’s employer

Read more here: sacbee.com

“An HP spokesman said Wednesday that the Florida-based firm The Experts failed to respond appropriately to Alexis’ mental health issues. It also said HP had strict policies for its contractors and required them to adhere to high standards.

“An August police from Rhode Island said Alexis complained that voices were harassing him through a wall at his hotel.

“The Experts said it ran two background checks on Alexis that turned up only a traffic violation. It also said the Pentagon confirmed twice that Alexis had a valid security clearance.”

350 thedopefishlives  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:29:42pm

Evening Lizardim.

351 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:30:14pm

re: #349 Justanotherhuman

A bit late, but WTH.

HP severs ties with Navy Yard shooter’s employer

Read more here: sacbee.com

“An HP spokesman said Wednesday that the Florida-based firm The Experts failed to respond appropriately to Alexis’ mental health issues. It also said HP had strict policies for its contractors and required them to adhere to high standards.

“An August police from Rhode Island said Alexis complained that voices were harassing him through a wall at his hotel.

“The Experts said it ran two background checks on Alexis that turned up only a traffic violation. It also said the Pentagon confirmed twice that Alexis had a valid security clearance.”

Rats. Sinking ship.

352 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:30:23pm

re: #341 Helios

I’m a lurker by nature. Sometimes I read everything and sometimes I just skim. I usually have nothing to add because so many people here already said it and usually better than I could anyways.

as ye skim so shall ye lurk

353 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:30:27pm

RINO!!!!!

Former President George H.W. Bush a witness at same-sex marriage

354 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:31:06pm

re: #346 b_sharp

We all do but we are far too polite to say so.

We do NOT. *gives b the stink eye*

355 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:31:09pm

re: #346 b_sharp

We all do but we are far too polite to say so.

I’m ignoring you.

356 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:32:11pm

Oh geez. The ZOMG CONGRESS ARE EXEMPT FROM OBAMACARE canard is making the rounds again.

*sigh*

357 urbanmeemaw  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:33:47pm

re: #273 Justanotherhuman

That is very profound. Thank you.

358 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:37:16pm

re: #342 CuriousLurker

Gah, NOT adorable! I freaking hate robots & puppets the way some people hate clowns. And the bigger they are, the more they creep me out. Like those kinetic wind things BMW had on one of their commercials? It’s cool from an intellectual-art-physics perspective but… *shudder, whimper*

Heh. Remember this? ;)

Youtube Video

359 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:38:14pm

Friday is the drop date for the latest IPCC assessment report and of course the “news” stories are flowing freely and will be even more so in 48 hours.

Here is the reality of politics that involve climate change:

Labor groups weigh in favoring Army Corps’ narrower environmental review of Wash coal export proposals

Spokesmen for three national labor groups sounded off Wednesday against the state Department of Ecology’s plan to subject the Gateway Pacific coal-export proposal at Cherry Point to a more stringent environmental review than the Army Corps of Engineers plans. The Army Corps announced earlier this month it was doing a more site specific review after previously announcing in July it would work jointly with Ecology effort.

Ecology announced its decision in late July after getting about 125,000 comments from the public over a 121-day period. The agency plans to look at the cumulative impacts of rail traffic bringing coal by rail from the Powder River Basin of Montana and Wyoming to serve the export docks proposed by SSA Marine. In a move that appears to be a first nationally, Ecology also is planning to consider the greenhouse gas effects of burning the coal in China, India and other potential markets.

[…]

In a repeat of industry and labor’s past arguments, Risch explained the reason for supporting the projects. The biggest is that “expanded ports and trade means expanded economic opportunities” for ports and other communities. Although Gateway Pacific is primarily meant to ship millions of tons of coal a year, Risch said improved infrastructure also will “make our west coast ports more competitive’’ for exports of agricultural products, commodities, potash and coal.

[…]

Coal = jobs.

That’s the only equation that matters.

360 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:38:22pm

Completely OT, but Timbuk2 needs to stop taunting me with more bags that I don’t need but want anyway. I am not a purse person dammit.

361 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:38:51pm
362 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:40:33pm
363 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:41:03pm

re: #353 freetoken

RINO!!!!!

Former President George H.W. Bush a witness at same-sex marriage

That’s the GHWB I’ve always liked. Rarely agreed with & always voted against him, but Avenger Pilot through calling “Trickle Down” Voodoo Economics he was always a better man than his party.

364 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:41:50pm

re: #362 Charles Johnson

I love thunderstorms like that. Got lucky with the one I got to shoot in Arizona this summer.

365 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:42:40pm

re: #358 Interesting Times

Heh. Remember this? ;)

[Embedded content]

Yes! Arrrrgh…. *runs from room screaming*

366 nicdanger  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:42:59pm

re: #341 Helios

Bubblehead did the same thing to me last week.And I had pretty much the same reaction.It’s not so bad once you finally take the plunge.

367 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:43:39pm

re: #348 CuriousLurker

I figure I have an advantage being female and working with color every day. Plus, my monitor has an IPS panel and is calibrated.

I think I did something wrong. Or my color perception is really specialized. Show me glowing iron, gold, or brick and I can tell you more or less what temperature it is, say from 1100 up through about 2200. I can tell you within a GIA color grade or two a diamond is.

But I about flunked that test.

368 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:43:42pm

re: #354 CuriousLurker

We do NOT. *gives b the stink eye*

We could pretend.

369 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:43:57pm

re: #366 nicdanger

Bubblehead did the same thing to me last week.And I had pretty much the same reaction.It’s not so bad once you finally take the plunge.

We don’t bite hard too much nice people.

370 thedopefishlives  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:44:01pm

re: #368 b_sharp

We could pretend.

Let’s not and say we did.

371 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:45:20pm

Google attempted to transcribe a voicemail by my sister. An excerpt:

Hey (klys), alright if you have been something This is gonna call the same. I’ve on proof.

I can’t give it too much shit, because trying to understand her on the phone is something else.

372 nicdanger  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:45:42pm

re: #369 klys

yep,as I discovered.

: )

373 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:46:10pm

re: #370 thedopefishlives

Let’s not and say we did.

That’s what my wife always says.

374 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:46:36pm

re: #367 Political Atheist

I think I did something wrong. Or my color perception is really specialized. Show me glowing iron, gold, or brick and I can tell you more or less what temperature it is, say from 1100 up through about 2200. I can tell you within a GIA color grade or two a diamond is.

But I about flunked that test.

I can do that one too! Except I am in Celsius.

IT GLOWS.

375 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:47:33pm

re: #373 b_sharp

My late mom would say the same thing.

376 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:48:26pm

re: #367 Political Atheist

I think I did something wrong. Or my color perception is really specialized. Show me glowing iron, gold, or brick and I can tell you more or less what temperature it is, say from 1100 up through about 2200. I can tell you within a GIA color grade or two a diamond is.

But I about flunked that test.

Yep. Reminded me why I have more black & white keepers than I do color ones too. I know my red/green is messed up (can’t see the numbers in color dot patterns but pass other tests) though so that impacts it as well.

377 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:50:38pm

re: #371 klys

Google attempted to transcribe a voicemail by my sister. An excerpt:

I can’t give it too much shit, because trying to understand her on the phone is something else.

Would read better as free verse:

Hey (klys)

alright if
you have been

something.

This is gonna call
the same.

I’ve on proof.

378 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:53:15pm

re: #327 CuriousLurker

This sort of fine color distinction is the thing I’m worst at.

379 Stoatly  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:53:53pm

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

Part of that is a combination of shifting dilation and latency in brain processing. Each time you switch eyes you’re going from a constricted pupil to a dilated one. Also the human brain processes colors in context of the surrounding palate.

I can’t find it now but there’s used to be a good online image that demonstrated this. If you dragged a black mask over a certain mosaic image the perceived color of a swatch that matched the cut out in the mask would shift noticeably.

Also I was told that if you’re lying on your side the lower eye sees more red than the upper (something to do with blood flow IIRC) - seemed unlikely, but it works with me

380 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:54:07pm

Okay, I know it’s time to take a break from playing Skyrim when I find myself quoting movies as I slay enemies.

381 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:55:55pm

Cat in the Sack

Got a bag this weekend at a conference and it has become the new “cool” cat hangout.

382 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:56:31pm

re: #381 Feline Fearless Leader

Cat in the Sack

Got a bag this weekend at a conference and it has become the new “cool” cat hangout.

I love the little patch of white on the nose.

383 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:57:14pm

re: #367 Political Atheist

I think I did something wrong. Or my color perception is really specialized. Show me glowing iron, gold, or brick and I can tell you more or less what temperature it is, say from 1100 up through about 2200. I can tell you within a GIA color grade or two a diamond is.

But I about flunked that test.

It wasn’t that easy. As gdfrank pointed out, the colors’ hue seem to shift depending on the surrounding colors.

In preparation for art journaling I’ve been doing some color mixing lately, so I happen to be really aware of hue at present. It’s fascinating and often surprising what happens when you mix certain colors.

It also matters a lot when you’re getting something printed in a 4 (or more) color process too—a 5% shift in the saturation of a color may or may not be a huge deal, depending on the hue. That’s something I imagine you’re very much aware of when printing your photographs.

384 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:58:50pm

re: #348 CuriousLurker

I figure I have an advantage being female and working with color every day. Plus, my monitor has an IPS panel and is calibrated.

Some of my clients have asked for printouts that match the color on their (uncalibrated) monitors.

385 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:59:30pm

Follow-up photo got interrupted.

Image: LC_Photobomb.jpg

386 thedopefishlives  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:59:50pm

Well, that color test was fun. I scored a 15.

387 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:00:05pm

re: #385 Feline Fearless Leader

Follow-up photo got interrupted.

Image: LC_Photobomb.jpg

WHATCHA DOING? CAN I HELP? IZ THERE FOODZ?

388 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:00:59pm

re: #387 klys

WHATCHA DOING? CAN I HELP? IZ THERE FOODZ?

Something like that. He has taken a liking to the catnip tea when I make it.

389 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:01:47pm

re: #386 thedopefishlives

Well, that color test was fun. I scored a 15.

I scored a 24 but I could see a few that were out of place.

390 thedopefishlives  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:04:35pm

re: #389 b_sharp

I scored a 24 but I could see a few that were out of place.

I think the max and min were a little off, though. It said the minimum score for my age/gender was -480 and the max was over 4 million. Hmm.

391 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:06:20pm

re: #384 jaunte

Some of my clients have asked for printouts that match the color on their (uncalibrated) monitors.

LOL, I believe it. I remember a few years ago one guy was collecting stories for a new edition of his book—I think it was Steve Krug—and he asked people for stories related to web design/webdev and dealing with clients.

One of them said he had a client demand that he write a script to make the site’s colors look the same on everyone’s monitor. O_o

One of my all-time favorite sites: clientcopia.com

392 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:07:22pm

re: #391 CuriousLurker

One of my personal favorites:
“Don’t change things just to improve them!”

393 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:07:57pm

I am reading the lecture slides for the next lecture in this class. It talks about how mathematicians use deductive reasoning for proofs (versus inductive for scientists).

I think I am saving the lecture for when the tonic arrives and I can make a proper gin and tonic.

394 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:08:42pm

re: #383 CuriousLurker

It wasn’t that easy. As gdfrank pointed out, the colors’ hue seems to shift depending on the surrounding colors.

In preparation for art journaling I’ve been doing some color mixing lately, so I happen to be really aware of hue lately. It’s fascinating and often surprising what happens when you mix certain colors.

It also matters a lot when you’re getting something printed in a 4 (or more) color process too—a 5% shift in the saturation of a color may or may not be a huge deal, depending on the hue. That’s something I imagine you’re very much aware of when printing your photographs.

For the Mac using Lizards here’s a good, cheap color picker that really helps. I understand why people trust their own perceptions and think monitor calibration is the most important element in a design or photographic workflow, but they’re just flat out wrong. Your brain is lying to you every single second, only the numbers are real. Math is your friend.

I consistently score in the single digits on the X-Rite test, calibrate all my equipment, religiously anchor every location and lighting situations with Gretag-Macbeth charts and still don’t believe a goddamned thing my brain is telling me about color. I’ve worked in very high workflow situations where you have to just make it look good as fast as possible and not pay much attention to the numbers, but everyone involved knew we where were making a conscious choice to cut corners.

395 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:08:42pm
396 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:09:04pm

re: #391 CuriousLurker

LOL.

“Can you make 30 of something in 2 months?” Me: Maybe. What am I making? “I don’t know. But I need to know you can make them.” Me: What exactly is it? “We don’t have a design. But we shouldn’t bother designing if you can’t make enough in time.” Me: I need a design before I can estimate the production time. “But do you think 2 months is enough time to make them?” Me: I can make you 30 somethings, but it might not be exactly what you want. Client seemed surprisingly happy with this answer.

clientcopia.com

397 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:09:30pm

Hmm… National Review website is giving a Service Unavailable error.

398 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:12:05pm
399 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:13:25pm
400 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:14:03pm

re: #394 goddamnedfrank

For the Mac using Lizards here’s a good, cheap color picker that really helps. I understand why people trust their own perceptions and think monitor calibration is the most important element in a design or photographic workflow, but they’re just flat out wrong. Your brain is lying to you every single second, only the numbers are real. Math is your friend.

I consistently score in the single digits on the X-Rite test, calibrate all my equipment, religiously anchor every location and lighting situations with Gretag-Macbeth charts and still don’t believe a goddamned thing my brain is telling me about color. I’ve worked in very high workflow situations where you have to just make it look good as fast as possible and not pay much attention to the numbers, but everyone involved knew where were making a conscious choice to cut corners.

Thanks for the tip on the color picker. I don’t use my MBP for design, but it’s always good to have one on hand.

As for the rest, true. You can’t believe your lying eyes when it comes to color.

401 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:14:56pm

Because this has been the most amusing/horrifying thing on my FB feed lately, I thought I’d share. Meet Exhibit A for what NOT to look for or put up with in a man:

Delusional Man-Child Has Most Incredible List of Dating Requirements

Looking to make a quick $1,500? Well, all you have to do is help this 39-year-old Austinite find the — not fat, not black, long-haired, unselfish, non-tattooed (SOME exceptions), non-bespectacled, childless (and not ever wanting children) (which is a good thing, because boyfriend should NOT reproduce), positive, warm, thigh-high-wearing, non-slutty (or “slutty dressing”) (except in the bedroom), non-smoking, sexaholic, original-breast-having, romantic, sentimental — woman of his dreams.

Sleepless in Austin — yes, he is a fan of the move, thanks for asking — is just your average guy looking for a dame in this crazy game called life. Since he’s incapable of doing it on his own (please see below re: major personality defects), he’s looking for you to throw one of your friends under the bus into his loving arms in return for some cold, hard cash.

Yes, he’s real. And Reddit has been having a field day with him.

402 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:18:12pm

re: #401 Lidane

I am looking for a decent girl that wants to be in a long term monogamus relationship with me.
jezebel.com

Some sort of marsupial?

403 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:18:40pm

re: #394 goddamnedfrank

What do you think of this?

[These women] might experience a range of colors invisible to the rest. It’s possible these so-called tetrachromats see a hundred million colors [1004], with each familiar hue fracturing into a hundred more subtle shades for which there are no names, no paint swatches. And because perceiving color is a personal experience, they would have no way of knowing they see far beyond what we consider the limits of human vision.

Well, they might be able to tell they have this characteristic by the number of arguments they get into with significant others about redocorating… ;)

404 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:19:02pm

It’s kind of funny how the GOP is helping educate people about all the benefits of Obamacare with their blatant lying about it. As the first of October nears, local media outlets are doing the responsible thing and informing their communities about the real benefits they’re about to experience. At this rate, it could be the most successful roll out ever.

405 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:21:01pm

Aw, hell. Trailer up the block from our house (we’re in a house on the edge of a trailer park) is on fire. Out here in a small town the volunteer FD takes a while to get here. Good vibes, prayers and everything else for whomever lives there please.

406 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:21:48pm

re: #395 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Oh good fucking lord, it’s a GOP wish list. If they actually put that in writing and pass it on Saturday, as NRO predicts, then we might as well prepare for a default.

407 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:22:30pm

The first time I took that X-Rite test I forgot I had my monitor brightness turned way down to save battery power and kept wondering why they made all the colors look like shit.

408 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:24:45pm

re: #395 Charles Johnson


Koch Bros. Section:

Energy provisions

Keystone Pipeline

Coal Ash regulations

Offshore drilling

Energy production on federal lands

EPA Carbon regulations

409 thedopefishlives  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:25:57pm

re: #405 William Barnett-Lewis

Aw, hell. Trailer up the block from our house (we’re in a house on the edge of a trailer park) is on fire. Out here in a small town the volunteer FD takes a while to get here. Good vibes, prayers and everything else for whomever lives there please.

Last winter, one of the houses down the hill exploded into sudden flame. (It turned out to be an accident with a propane grill tank.) By the time the volunteer FD showed up, the house was a total loss. Prayers to the family in the trailer.

410 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:26:34pm

re: #374 klys

I can do that one too! Except I am in Celsius.

IT GLOWS.

What is that?

411 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:28:43pm

re: #394 goddamnedfrank

Gretag is amazing. They did the samples for the white gold task force years ago as the trade began to voluntarily rate the hues in white gold. The challenge was cheap cards to hold up against jewelry. The specular light was a big factor. Ya gotta hold the chart at the right angle to the light. Metal colors are weird. The sheen becomes a factor.

412 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:28:44pm

re: #410 Political Atheist

What is that?

Platinum crucible coming out of the tube furnace at 1700 deg C. Quenching the contents to a glass.

413 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:29:00pm

re: #408 jaunte

Koch Bros. Section:

Considering the last go-around about all this, I think we know where this is going. The GOP’s gonna pass this grab-bag of goodies for itself, then declare that it’s willing to “negotiate” with Obama. The appropriate response would be to tell Boehner to go soak his head and instruct the Senate to kill the bill dead.

414 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:29:45pm

re: #406 Targetpractice

Oh good fucking lord, it’s a GOP wish list. If they actually put that in writing and pass it on Saturday, as NRO predicts, then we might as well prepare for a default.

Didn’t you get the memo that a slight majority in one house means DICTATING EVERYTHING?

/also it can’t be their whole wish list, they didn’t list repealing Roe vs. Wade on there.

415 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:33:23pm

re: #406 Targetpractice

Oh good fucking lord, it’s a GOP wish list. If they actually put that in writing and pass it on Saturday, as NRO predicts, then we might as well prepare for a default.

If the GOP forces us into default, I hope they find themselves in the poiitical junk heap along with the Whigs.

416 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:34:22pm

re: #412 klys

I thought that looked way past gold temps. Induction furnaces are excellent heat. Controllable and powerful. Platinum crucible? Or platinum in a ceramic? 1700 C is close to the flow point for pt. I have seen those pt crucibles from labs that grow gems.

Hey be careful and wear #10 welders glass around that.

417 PT Barnum  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:34:39pm

re: #415 Lidane

If the GOP forces us into default, I hope they find themselves in the poiitical junk heap along with the Whigs.

Never underestimate the ability for the massive quantity of dumbshits in the base to find a way to blame Obama.

418 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:34:56pm
419 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:35:53pm

re: #417 PT Barnum

Never underestimate the ability for the massive quantity of dumbshits in the base to find a way to blame Obama.

It’s not only the base, it’ll be the media crying non-stop, 24/7, that default could have been avoided if only Obama had “negotiated,” had “compromised,” and declaring that he’s equally at fault.

420 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:36:47pm

re: #413 Targetpractice

Considering the last go-around about all this, I think we know where this is going. The GOP’s gonna pass this grab-bag of goodies for itself, then declare that it’s willing to “negotiate” with Obama. The appropriate response would be to tell Boehner to go soak his head and instruct the Senate to kill the bill dead.

Worst case scenario is Obama declares the debt limit unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment. Then the Republicans can sue seeking default as their remedy, that should go over well.

421 Stanley Sea  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:37:04pm

Yes WW, I log in, & find your last comment to make sure I haven’t missed it.

422 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:38:01pm

re: #420 goddamnedfrank

Worst case scenario is Obama declares the debt limit unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment. Then the Republicans can sue seeking default as their remedy, that should go over well.

Worst case scenario is a default. That’s only a step above in that we’d basically be in default, but too busy dealing with a Constitutional crisis to worry about it.

423 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:38:05pm

re: #416 Political Atheist

I thought that looked way past gold temps. Induction furnaces are excellent heat. Controllable and powerful. Platinum crucible? Or platinum in a ceramic? 1700 C is close to the flow point for pt. I have seen those pt crucibles from labs that grow gems.

Platinum crucible. It is very close to the flow point, but it’s also pushing that furnace to get to that temp, so I don’t worry about it going over. When it’s pulled out, though, the wire holding it to the hook has stretched into a triangle, as opposed to a hoop.

We never did get the 1800 deg furnace set up while I was there, but that was ok, because 1700 was the top of what I needed. I very rarely had corundum show up in samples (when making a glass, this is bad - want no crystals at all), generally because I was pushing the aluminum content too far. Of course, the more aluminum you have, the higher the melting point (hence the high temperatures).

This is the relating-to-the-rest-of-my-life reason why my engagement/wedding rings are platinum with sapphire (and a few small diamonds).

424 PT Barnum  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:38:54pm

re: #415 Lidane

If the GOP forces us into default, I hope they find themselves in the poiitical junk heap along with the Whigs.

If the dems would just grow a pair and be willing to be just as unreasonable and vicious as the GOPers..things might be going a bit better.

425 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:41:15pm

re: #417 PT Barnum

Never underestimate the ability for the massive quantity of dumbshits in the base to find a way to blame Obama.

They blame him for waking up in the morning.

Still, the consequences of default go much, much farther than one man. And even some Republicans are against default. It will be that much harder to pin it all on Obama if we don’t live up to our obligations.

426 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:43:28pm

re: #422 Targetpractice

Worst case scenario is a default. That’s only a step above in that we’d basically be in default, but too busy dealing with a Constitutional crisis to worry about it.

We wouldn’t basically be in default, we’d be paying our bills under Constitutional authority. If the Republicans want to sue seeking an actual default they’re free to do so, but that would be political suicide on top of political suicide. It wouldn’t be a constitutional crisis and the Supremes aren’t going to rule the debt limit constitutional.

427 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:44:04pm

re: #423 klys

That’s really interesting. Making glass in platinum. I can see that with its noble non reactive nature. Let your ingredients do what they do.

428 PT Barnum  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:45:00pm

re: #425 Lidane

They blame him for waking up in the morning.

Still, the consequences of default go much, much farther than one man. And even some Republicans are against default. It will be that much harder to pin it all on Obama if we don’t live up to our obligations.

Chuck Todd says it’ll be Obama’s fault because he didn’t explain things sufficiently.

429 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:45:08pm

re: #427 Political Atheist

That’s really interesting. Making glass in platinum. I can see that with its noble non reactive nature. Let your ingredients do what they do.

Ceramics also tweak your compositional balance. Even if some of the platinum ends up in the mix, it’s not going to mess with things nearly as much as adding silica or alumina.

430 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:47:03pm

re: #427 Political Atheist

That’s really interesting. Making glass in platinum. I can see that with its noble non reactive nature. Let your ingredients do what they do.

*watches conversation flying over her head*

431 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:48:08pm

re: #430 CuriousLurker

Like one of those mystery colors.

432 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:49:20pm

re: #431 jaunte

Like one of those mystery colors.

Heh, exactly. It all sounds very interesting, if only I could understand it.

433 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:50:02pm

re: #430 CuriousLurker

*watches conversation flying over her head*

:)

Platinum is really useful because it has little to no interaction with a wide range of materials, even at high temperatures. That makes it much easier to understand what reactions are going on, because you can normally rule out some interaction between the platinum and whatever you’re using.

Also, it’s much easier to get glass out of a platinum crucible than a ceramic one.

434 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:50:18pm

re: #430 CuriousLurker

That happens to me when my kid sister starts talking about obscure financial principles.

435 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:51:35pm

re: #426 goddamnedfrank

We wouldn’t basically be in default, we’d be paying our bills under Constitutional authority. If the Republicans want to sue seeking an actual default they’re free to do so, but that would be political suicide on top of political suicide. It’s wouldn’t be a constitutional crisis and the Supremes aren’t going to rule the debt limit constitutional.

This is the Roberts court we’re talking about here. The only reason they ruled the ACA to be Constitutional is because Roberts didn’t agree with junking the entire law. They’d twist themselves into pretzels to find a way to declare the debt limit to be Constitutional.

436 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:52:21pm

re: #433 klys

The downside, of course, is that platinum is expensive. Not as expensive as some other components, but I have had experiments use between $200-$600 worth of platinum for a single sample. (Fortunately that was one or two very specialized ones. Most of the time I could just reuse the crucible.)

437 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:52:38pm

I don’t know why people are afraid of the GOP on the debt ceiling, it’s all bluff. They’re holding a gun to their own heads and threatening to pull the trigger if we don’t negotiate.

I seriously can’t see the downside.

438 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:52:53pm

re: #429 klys

Our crucibles melt too easily when we do platinum alloys. They get glassy. And palladium wears on them too despite far lower temps. Sometimes I think the induction takes the crucible far hotter than the metal, yet our pyrometrics reads off the metal. I’m hoping a use for my purple gold besides jewelry would be it PVD sputtered onto safety glass.

439 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:53:21pm

re: #430 CuriousLurker

*watches conversation flying over her head*

Well heck fair is fair. PHP/HTML/Java whut?

440 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:54:05pm

re: #434 PhillyPretzel

That happens to me when my kid sister starts talking about obscure financial principles.

Oh, yeah. Finances, statistics, physics, ip addressing/subnet masks, spreadsheets… anything to do with math is my nemesis.

441 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:54:08pm

re: #435 Targetpractice

This is the Roberts court we’re talking about here. The only reason they ruled the ACA to be Constitutional is because Roberts didn’t agree with junking the entire law. They’d twist themselves into pretzels to find a way to declare the debt limit to be Constitutional.

Fuck dude, if you think Roberts is going to destroy the US economy and credit rating then I’m not sure how to help you. He wasn’t willing to junk a single law but you think he’s going to usher in economic armageddon.

442 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:54:44pm

re: #433 klys

re: #436 klys

Now it makes more sense. Thanks!

443 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:56:06pm

re: #441 goddamnedfrank

Fuck dude, if you think Roberts is going to destroy the US economy and credit rating then I’m not sure how to help you. He wasn’t willing to junk a single law but you think he’s going to usher in economic armageddon.

I’m saying that we should never assume that these fuckers are sane enough to realize the consequences of their actions. You got TPers in Congress who are absolutely sure that America will come back stronger from a default. We’ve heard declarations in the past that foreign debt holders would be happy to see us “getting our house in order.”

444 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:56:53pm

re: #438 Political Atheist

Our crucibles melt too easily when we do platinum alloys. They get glassy. And palladium wears on them too despite far lower temps. Sometimes I think the induction takes the crucible far hotter than the metal, yet our pyrometrics reads off the metal. I’m hoping a use for my purple gold besides jewelry would be it PVD sputtered onto safety glass.

Glassy metal is awesome stuff. But I can understand why you might not want it.

I think we had a Pt/Rh crucible floating around in lab to go with the 1800deg furnace but since it never got set up I never used it. More fun was the fast quench furnace, where your sample was suspended in a thin platinum foil packet on two platinum wires between supports. At temperature, you activate two pneumatics that smash together and then pull out of the furnace, with your packet trapped between the two heads (one was attached magnetically).

Then you get to wait 24 hours for the damn furnace to cool down so you can see if it worked or if you curse the world and try again.

445 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:58:59pm

re: #442 CuriousLurker

Now it makes more sense. Thanks!

Oh, and the flow point is the point where the metal starts to lose structural strength even before it melts. Obviously you don’t want to actually *doing* something at this point, because you might lose your experiment since the platinum wire oozes off the hook or something along those lines.

In general, white light being emitted indicates you’re close to if not above 1500 degrees Celsius. Most gold melts before then. :)

446 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:59:27pm

re: #444 klys

Then you get to wait 24 hours for the damn furnace to cool down so you can see if it worked or if you curse the world and try again.

O_O

447 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:59:42pm

re: #443 Targetpractice

I think Frank has a good point. I even think Clarence Thomas, incredibly weirdo that he is, might on this point rule that any bill passed by congress that set a debt limit was unconstitutional. He’s a weirdo, but when stuff is really clear in the constitution— and it’s very clear that US debts must be paid— I think he might rule the right way.

But anyway, I really doubt that Roberts wants his legacy to be “crushed America’s economy and put the US into default”.

448 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:00:54pm

re: #446 CuriousLurker

O_O

We don’t have a good cooler on there. :( I guess maybe it’s more like 12 - you’d set up the experiment either the night before or in the morning, depending on how late I wanted to stay at work, and then it takes almost 5 hours to get to temperature. Pressurize, flip the switches, and then go home. Break it all down in the morning.

449 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:02:26pm

re: #447 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I think Frank has a good point. I even think Clarence Thomas, incredibly weirdo that he is, might on this point rule that any bill passed by congress that set a debt limit was unconstitutional. He’s a weirdo, but when stuff is really clear in the constitution— and it’s very clear that US debts must be paid— I think he might rule the right way.

But anyway, I really doubt that Roberts wants his legacy to be “crushed America’s economy and put the US into default”.

I’ve become rather cynical these days when it comes to the ODS crowd. The Supremes may very well rule the debt limit unconstitutional, but then where would that leave us? Prior to the institution of it, Congress took care of these things as part of the annual budget. In the present situation, that’s not gonna happen. So would we effectively be giving the executive power of how much debt America can carry at any one time?

450 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:02:26pm

re: #443 Targetpractice

I’m saying that we should never assume that these fuckers are sane enough to realize the consequences of their actions.

Who are “these fuckers?” You seem to want to conflate the tea baggers with establishment, big business conservatives like Roberts, Kennedy, Alito, even Scalia. In this matter their interests are completely and utterly antagonistic. It makes no sense to lump those justices in with the anarchistic wing of the Tea Party on US default, no sense whatsoever.

451 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:04:11pm

re: #444 klys

Glassy metal is awesome stuff. But I can understand why you might not want it.

I think we had a Pt/Rh crucible floating around in lab to go with the 1800deg furnace but since it never got set up I never used it. More fun was the fast quench furnace, where your sample was suspended in a thin platinum foil packet on two platinum wires between supports. At temperature, you activate two pneumatics that smash together and then pull out of the furnace, with your packet trapped between the two heads (one was attached magnetically).

Then you get to wait 24 hours for the damn furnace to cool down so you can see if it worked or if you curse the world and try again.

Pt/Rh crucible? That’s impressive. Cool tools are wonderful.

452 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:05:04pm

re: #430 CuriousLurker

*watches conversation flying over her head*

Heh. I’m only following because of a class in foundry techniques way back in Jr. High. Bronze or Silver @ 950 °C (1,742 °F) is much more my speed :)

453 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:05:13pm

re: #445 klys

Oh, and the flow point is the point where the metal starts to lose structural strength even before it melts. Obviously you don’t want to actually *doing* something at this point, because you might lose your experiment since the platinum wire oozes off the hook or something along those lines.

In general, white light being emitted indicates you’re close to if not above 1500 degrees Celsius. Most gold melts before then. :)

Ah, okay. I figured flow point had something to do with melting, but it’s right before. Cool. Thanks. I feel smarter now.

454 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:06:43pm

re: #451 Political Atheist

Pt/Rh crucible? That’s impressive. Cool tools are wonderful.

Hahaha, cool would have been the other end of the spectrum, when I was doing the liquid nitrogen fills on the magnet. Or helping with the liquid helium fills.

I tend to think of the other section of the lab as the hot one.

//

Once you work at those temperatures, taking stuff out of the oven at 400 F is a whole lot easier. (But 800 deg C is still too much for the short tongs without gloves, and with gloves I tended to knock things over. :()

455 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:07:40pm

re: #448 klys

We don’t have a good cooler on there. :( I guess maybe it’s more like 12 - you’d set up the experiment either the night before or in the morning, depending on how late I wanted to stay at work, and then it takes almost 5 hours to get to temperature. Pressurize, flip the switches, and then go home. Break it all down in the morning.

I’ve always wondered what the electricity bills are like for sculptors who fire ceramics or people who work with fused glass & such. It can’t be cheap.

456 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:07:53pm

re: #452 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. I’m only following because of a class in foundry techniques way back in Jr. High. Bronze or Silver @ 950 °C (1,742 °F) is much more my speed :)

Orange. >.> The furnace is distinctly orange at those temps.

I rarely saw those though.

457 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:09:09pm

re: #455 CuriousLurker

I’ve always wondered what the electricity bills are like for sculptors who fire ceramics or people who work with fused glass & such. It can’t be cheap.

I’ve had the chance to talk with a number of folks who work with blowing glass. It is definitely not cheap.

Hell, I’ve taken apart the inside of one of the furnaces at the lab (we were installing a new controller) and the width of the power lines is …impressive. And scary. You always triple checked that. Seeing the damn thing arcing one morning was good grounds for a heart attack.

458 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:11:23pm

re: #455 CuriousLurker

I’ve always wondered what the electricity bills are like for sculptors who fire ceramics or people who work with fused glass & such. It can’t be cheap.

Good friend of my wife is a major name in ceramic art and, especially, Japanese style porcelains. His firing is all wood; it’s a hallmark of his art now but he started that way because he could cut wood even when he couldn’t afford gas.

459 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:12:30pm

re: #452 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. I’m only following because of a class in foundry techniques way back in Jr. High. Bronze or Silver @ 950 °C (1,742 °F) is much more my speed :)

The only time I’ve ever seen molten metal is when I was a kid and my dad melted some lead to make weights for fishing.

460 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:13:18pm

re: #457 klys

I’ve had the chance to talk with a number of folks who work with blowing glass. It is definitely not cheap.

Hell, I’ve taken apart the inside of one of the furnaces at the lab (we were installing a new controller) and the width of the power lines is …impressive. And scary. You always triple checked that. Seeing the damn thing arcing one morning was good grounds for a heart attack.

O_o

461 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:13:43pm

re: #458 William Barnett-Lewis

Good friend of my wife is a major name in ceramic art and, especially, Japanese style porcelains. His firing is all wood; it’s a hallmark of his art now but he started that way because he could cut wood even when he couldn’t afford gas.

It’s gotta be a sort of an art in itself to get wood to burn hot enough to fire ceramics, no?

462 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:14:06pm

re: #459 CuriousLurker

The only time I’ve ever seen molten metal is when I was a kid and my dad melted some lead to make weights for fishing.

I need to get a pot and some bullet molds :)

463 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:15:40pm

re: #459 CuriousLurker

The only time I’ve ever seen molten metal is when I was a kid and my dad melted some lead to make weights for fishing.

During one of my summer research internships in undergrad, we went and toured one of the Alcoa aluminum recycling facilities (which was really neat). The pools of molten aluminum were amazing.

Of course, the just-cast stuff was terrifying because it’s close to 600 deg C and yet it looks normal (except for the heat mirage). VERY EASY to get yourself badly hurt. I have a cast-sample paperweight somewhere from them.

At Corning, they had a room where melt dripped down through the ceiling into water to form glass. That was also kickass. (And a small fusion draw system, also really cool. And fiber draw towers, but those weren’t in action when we went.)

I collect art glass as a hobby (mostly paperweights) and have gotten to some some very guided glass blowing and lampworking.

464 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:16:39pm

re: #461 CuriousLurker

It’s gotta be a sort of an art in itself to get wood to burn hot enough to fire ceramics, no?

It’s cool watching him get it going and also to watch him mix up the slips - the “paint” for lack of a better word - that need the heat even more than the clay to set onto the ceramic and give a smooth leak free surface.

465 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:17:14pm

re: #460 William Barnett-Lewis

O_o

That was my reaction too.

Fortunately, the building didn’t burn down and it only melted a little bit of the plastic tubing for water above it but not enough to leak onto the furnace (since there’s cooling water into the top/bottom aluminum blocks to keep the rubber o-rings from melting - the joys of needing to work in a controlled environment).

466 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:18:47pm

re: #449 Targetpractice

I’ve become rather cynical these days when it comes to the ODS crowd. The Supremes may very well rule the debt limit unconstitutional, but then where would that leave us? Prior to the institution of it, Congress took care of these things as part of the annual budget. In the present situation, that’s not gonna happen. So would we effectively be giving the executive power of how much debt America can carry at any one time?

Yes? Congress spends the money. It seems to me common sense that, in spending the money, they authorize borrowing money if they don’t allocate enough in a budget. I mean, the only thing this takes away is the power of congress to put us into default. The president doesn’t gain the power to do anything but pay congresses’ debts.

467 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:23:26pm

re: #463 klys

During one of my summer research internships in undergrad, we went and toured one of the Alcoa aluminum recycling facilities (which was really neat). The pools of molten aluminum were amazing.

Of course, the just-cast stuff was terrifying because it’s close to 600 deg C and yet it looks normal (except for the heat mirage). VERY EASY to get yourself badly hurt. I have a cast-sample paperweight somewhere from them.

At Corning, they had a room where melt dripped down through the ceiling into water to form glass. That was also kickass. (And a small fusion draw system, also really cool. And fiber draw towers, but those weren’t in action when we went.)

I collect art glass as a hobby (mostly paperweights) and have gotten to some some very guided glass blowing and lampworking.

Sounds really cool! I love art glass, but don’t collect it as I’m a terrible klutz. I hope to get to visit one of the glass museums someday—maybe Corning since it’s probably the closest. Lucky you on the glass blowing and lampworking!

468 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:23:50pm

re: #466 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yes? Congress spends the money. It seems to me common sense that, in spending the money, they authorize borrowing money if they don’t allocate enough in a budget. I mean, the only thing this takes away is the power of congress to put us into default. The president doesn’t gain the power to do anything but pay congresses’ debts.

Upon further review, it seems that there’s strong support for the idea of abolishing the debt ceiling. At this point, with reforms that have been made since its creation, there’s little point to maintaining it besides to give the minority party the opportunity to extort ideological concessions.

469 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:26:56pm

re: #467 CuriousLurker

Sounds really cool! I love art glass, but don’t collect it as I’m a terrible klutz. I hope to get to visit one of the glass museums someday—maybe Corning since it’s probably the closest. Lucky you on the glass blowing and lampworking!

I HIGHLY recommend the Corning museum - they have a lot of interesting exhibits on the technological side of things, as well as a really nice historical section. They also have glassworking experiences that are quite reasonably priced - that’s where I did my lampworking (and fusion and sandblasting - only the glassblowing was elsewhere).

Very easy to spend a whole day there!

470 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:28:40pm

re: #469 klys

Corning it is then, you’ve convinced me. Now all I have to do is find the time…

Okay, I have to finish preparing some emails that need to go out first thing in the AM, so I’m outta here. Thanks for all the interesting info & explanations, not to mention the recommendation, klys.

G’nite, everyone.

471 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:29:25pm

re: #467 CuriousLurker

Sounds really cool! I love art glass, but don’t collect it as I’m a terrible klutz. I hope to get to visit one of the glass museums someday—maybe Corning since it’s probably the closest. Lucky you on the glass blowing and lampworking!

I second visiting Corning. Was up that way back in June and visited the Glass Museum while up there (and posted a few pictures IIRC.) I think it’s the 3rd time I’ve been there.

472 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:31:23pm

re: #471 Feline Fearless Leader

I second visiting Corning. Was up that way back in June and visited the Glass Museum while up there (and posted a few pictures IIRC.) I think it’s the 3rd time I’ve been there.

I lived there for a summer.

Well, not in the museum, in the hotel about a block and a half away. One of those extended stay type places.

I spent more than one afternoon at the museum. :)

473 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:46:26pm

re: #459 CuriousLurker
re: #463 klys

In a few weeks I will have the HD video of the purple gold melt (torch and induction heat) finished and out. I was able to put a GoPro cam staring right through the quartz glass into the melt of the aluminum and gold. I have really sharp footage of the aluminum failing to blend with 24kt. We stopped the exposure down so far as for the molten/pasty/oxide metal to be clearly visible at 1200C.

I must be a “well adjusted” pyro or something.

474 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:52:40pm

re: #473 Political Atheist

In a few weeks I will have the HD video of the purple gold melt (torch and induction heat) finished and out. I was able to put a GoPro cam staring right through the quartz glass into the melt of the aluminum and gold. I have really sharp footage of the aluminum failing to blend with 24kt. We stopped the exposure down so far as for the molten/pasty/oxide metal to be clearly visible at 1200C.

I must be a “well adjusted” pyro or something.

Let us know when that’s out! I’d love to see it.


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Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ...
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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