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1 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:55:07pm
2 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 7:58:50pm
3 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:00:05pm
4 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:01:37pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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When you’re Glenn, any attention is good attention.

5 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:05:08pm

17 years later and people still think that, when South Park says you’re going to be the subject of an episode, it’s a good thing.

6 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:05:36pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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The man is so full of himself that he likely finds being depicted to the masses as tribute he has richly earned. Trey Parker is not the subtlest of satirists, but he’s always funny and he sometimes does put one over on windbags like Greenwald.

7 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:05:38pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

17 years later and people still think that, when South Park says you’re going to be the subject of an episode, it’s a good thing.

…fuck, is South Park really 17 years old?

8 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:06:32pm

re: #7 klys

…fuck, is South Park really 17 years old?

Yes, it began in 1996.

9 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:07:06pm

re: #7 klys

…fuck, is South Park really 17 years old?

Hard to believe, huh? Makes my joints ache just thinking of how old I am.

//

10 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:07:07pm

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it began in 1996.

I feel old. :(

/I know the older Lizards are going to mock me for this, but whatever.

11 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:08:50pm

re: #10 klys

I feel old. :(

/I know the older Lizards are going to mock me for this, but whatever.

Nah I won’t. I was 9 that year.

12 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:09:04pm

Dinner tonight is a fake cassoulet and refrigerator rolls.

As opposed to South Park, my oven does not make me feel old. My oven makes me think of how nice it would be to have a modern kitchen where appliances actually go to the temperature you set them at.

13 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:09:23pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Ha, seriously. That’s twice though they’ve parodied a self righteous douche nozzle named Glenn though.

14 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:11:22pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Nah I won’t. I was 9 that year.

I was 11.

I just thought it was …a little younger, I guess. But junior high/high school are kind of a mishmash, so…

15 calochortus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:11:22pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Nah I won’t. I was 9 that year.

OK, I’ll mock Klys then. ;) I was 43.

16 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:12:35pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Ha, seriously. That’s twice though they’ve parodied a self righteous douche nozzle named Glenn though.

At this point, I would highly advocate changing one’s name to anything-but-Glenn if planning to go into politics.

17 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:13:09pm

re: #15 calochortus

OK, I’ll mock Klys then. ;) I was 43.

I was 23 in 1996. ;)

18 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:13:16pm

re: #14 klys

I was 11.

I just thought it was …a little younger, I guess. But junior high/high school are kind of a mishmash, so…

I was kind of thinking about the 90’s today when I was watching a BBC documentary on grunge. It hit me that Nevermind came out 22 years ago and Cobain died in ‘94, twenty years next April. Also, my two brothers have never lived in a Simpsons-less world and I qualify technically too since I was born a month or so after the first Tracey Ullman sketches.

19 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:14:08pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

I was kind of thinking about the 90’s today when I was watching a BBC documentary on grunge. It hit me that Nevermind came out 22 years ago and Cobain died in ‘94, twenty years next April. Also, my two brothers have never lived in a Simpsons-less world and I qualify technically too since I was born a month or so after the first Tracey Ullman sketches.

I …have never watched the Simpsons.

You can all recoil in horror now.

20 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:14:52pm

Apparently my oven’s definition of 10-12 minutes and the refrigerator biscuits’ definition of 10-12 minutes are very different.

21 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:15:02pm

re: #19 klys

I …have never watched the Simpsons.

You can all recoil in horror now.

Did you grow up in another galaxy? I kid obviously but wow. Though I had a cousin, three years younger who wasn’t allowed to watch it.

22 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:15:42pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Did you grow up in another galaxy? I kid obviously but wow. Though I had a cousin, three years younger who wasn’t allowed to watch it.

It was definitely not a show my parents advocated.

But I am also practically allergic to TV, with a few exceptions.

23 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:15:53pm

re: #19 klys

I …have never watched the Simpsons.

You can all recoil in horror now.

Haven’t watched it in probably a decade now, if not longer. And even back then, it had all the stink of a series that was way past its prime.

24 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:16:01pm

Yes, Muslims Are Denouncing the Nairobi Terrorist Attack

In retort to certain trolls, a nice list.

25 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:17:35pm

Two rolls are ‘golden brown’ and two are not.

Really, this feels like I am probably making it a lot more complicated than it should be, but the rest of my evening involves watching a lecture on mathematic proofs and I’m avoiding it.

26 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:18:44pm

re: #22 klys

It was definitely not a show my parents advocated.

But I am also practically allergic to TV, with a few exceptions.

I don’t watch as much as I used to either but I am just amazed you’ve never watched it.

27 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:19:02pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

17 years later and people still think that, when South Park says you’re going to be the subject of an episode, it’s a good thing.

Heh. Seriously. Very few people get the joke. Being depicted by Cartman is always an insult.

28 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:19:23pm

re: #24 The Ghost of a Flea

Yes, Muslims Are Denouncing the Nairobi Terrorist Attack

In retort to certain trolls, a nice list.

If the King of the Muslims doesn’t denounce it in a letter penned in Muslim tears, no such denunciation happened.//

29 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:20:21pm

Dinner is ready. Husband is not home.

I fail on timing. :(

30 calochortus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:21:50pm

re: #25 klys

Two rolls are ‘golden brown’ and two are not.

Really, this feels like I am probably making it a lot more complicated than it should be, but the rest of my evening involves watching a lecture on mathematic proofs and I’m avoiding it.

Either your oven is carefully preparing 2 of your rolls to be eaten now, while the other two are being held back so they’ll be warm in a few minutes, or you have a problem with even heating. I’d like to think it was the former.

31 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:22:36pm

So there was a gubertorial debate tonight. Hopefully the rest of Virginia found out that Ken Cuccinelli is someone you wouldn’t want running your son’s Little League team let alone your state.

32 Gus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:23:05pm

vikingrange.com

:D

33 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:23:20pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

So there was a gubertorial debate tonight. Hopefully the rest of Virginia found out that Ken Cuccinelli is someone you wouldn’t want running your son’s Little League team let alone your state.

Cucci, last I checked, is still down in the polls. Apparently a lot of the stink from the McDonnell fallout is come down on his head.

34 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:23:55pm

re: #19 klys

I …have never watched the Simpsons.

You can all recoil in horror now.

They’re ok, I’ve gotten more than few laughs from them but you really haven’t missed that much. Now, if you want something far superior from Matt Groening, go find the collections of his “Life in Hell” comic. The Simpsons is vapid dreck comparatively.

35 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:24:27pm

re: #30 calochortus

Either your oven is carefully preparing 2 of your rolls to be eaten now, while the other two are being held back so they’ll be warm in a few minutes, or you have a problem with even heating. I’d like to think it was the former.

My oven was built by General Electric and comes complete with a handy guide for meat cooking temperatures, including notes for ham, duck, lamb, veal, fresh pork, turkey, and a two crust pie.

It’s original to the house, which was built in the 60s. We found the manual for it in one of the kitchen drawers at some point.

The thermostat has been off by at least 25 degrees since I moved in - used to be 50, but my dad tweaked the dial somewhat so that it matches a little better now. That involved a knife.

36 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:25:17pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

Cucci, last I checked, is still down in the polls. Apparently a lot of the stink from the McDonnell fallout is come down on his head.

Yeah I saw that. That’s good to know.

37 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:26:19pm

re: #35 klys

Speaking of ovens, the BBC article about the 1000°C planet where it rains glass sideways made me wonder - what’s the hottest temperature that’s even been generated on Earth? Nuclear explosion?

38 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:27:38pm

re: #37 Interesting Times

7.2 trillion degrees (F).
livescience.com

39 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:29:30pm

But ALICE went hotter:

ALICE uses lead ions instead of gold ones to create a QGP. The LHC, with its much-higher energies, had no problem beating PHENIX’s temperatures by some 38 percent, boosting the record for the hottest manmade material from around 4 trillion degrees Celsius to an eye-popping 5.5 trillion degrees Celsius (that’s nearly 10 trillion degrees Fahrenheit).news.discovery.com

40 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:29:32pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Yeah I saw that. That’s good to know.

At this point, I’m fairly confident that Cucci will not win. Not that McAuliffe is any prize.

41 calochortus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:31:20pm

re: #35 klys

My oven was built by General Electric and comes complete with a handy guide for meat cooking temperatures, including notes for ham, duck, lamb, veal, fresh pork, turkey, and a two crust pie.

It’s original to the house, which was built in the 60s. We found the manual for it in one of the kitchen drawers at some point.

The thermostat has been off by at least 25 degrees since I moved in - used to be 50, but my dad tweaked the dial somewhat so that it matches a little better now. That involved a knife.

From a random GE website

Models with knobs:

Pull the OVEN TEMP knob off the shaft, look at the back of the knob and note the current setting before making any adjustments.
Loosen both screws on the back of the knob.
To increase the oven temperature, move the pointer 1 notch toward the words “Make Hotter.”

To decrease the oven temperature, turn the pointer 1 notch toward the words “Make Cooler.”

Each notch changes the temperature by 10 degrees F.
Tighten the screws.
Replace the knob, matching the flat area of the knob to the shaft.

42 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:31:42pm

re: #39 jaunte

…boosting the record for the hottest manmade material from around 4 trillion degrees Celsius to an eye-popping 5.5 trillion degrees Celsius (that’s nearly 10 trillion degrees Fahrenheit)

Image: tumblr_mhi3ys8sOe1ql5yr7o2_250.gif

43 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:33:59pm

re: #42 Interesting Times

Well, it’s no 1.41679 x 1032 Kelvins, but I wouldn’t pick it up without a glove.

44 jaunte  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:34:28pm

Sup, miscue?

45 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:34:42pm

re: #39 jaunte

But ALICE went hotter:

Bet it makes a mean cup of coffee.

//

46 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:35:15pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

At this point, I’m fairly confident that Cucci will not win. Not that McAuliffe is any prize.

Yeah it sucks big time. At least the Democrat running for Delegate here took the time to talk to me when he called the other day which I thought was a nice touch.

47 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:38:11pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Yeah it sucks big time. At least the Democrat running for Delegate here took the time to talk to me when he called the other day which I thought was a nice touch.

Think it’s gonna be a rather painful kick in the nuts to the GOP and to the wingnuts on election night, seeing Virginia go blue. And it’s not because the Dems ran that good of a candidate, it’s because the GOP ran two fucking loons on their ticket after putting a crooked SOB in the governor’s mansion.

48 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:38:47pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Yeah it sucks big time. At least the Democrat running for Delegate here took the time to talk to me when he called the other day which I thought was a nice touch.

Down in Madison a couple of years back the Democrat running for Sheriff called voters himself. I talked with him for a good 20 minutes that day. The Republican candidate only used robo-calls. It gave me great joy when the Democrat won - especially since he was actually better on the 2nd amendment than the Republican who was of the classic “only the rich should own guns” type.

49 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:43:41pm

re: #48 William Barnett-Lewis

Down in Madison a couple of years back the Democrat running for Sheriff called voters himself. I talked with him for a good 20 minutes that day. The Republican candidate only used robo-calls. It gave me great joy when the Democrat won - especially since he was actually better on the 2nd amendment than the Republican who was of the classic “only the rich should own guns” type.

It was pretty neat honestly. Usually you get a recording. I actually got push-polled by the Cuccinneli campaign earlier in the year. I thought at first, it was the TP candidate since he asked me about the TP candidate. I said I didn’t know much and he said he noticed I was likely Democrat and he said you don’t want a teabagger in there, do you? It’s just nice to see candidates with a real approach. The delegate campaign I worked on my last semester of college was like that too. He was only a few years older than I am and just very friendly and sincerely appreciative of all us college kids that worked on his campaign.

50 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:44:27pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

Think it’s gonna be a rather painful kick in the nuts to the GOP and to the wingnuts on election night, seeing Virginia go blue. And it’s not because the Dems ran that good of a candidate, it’s because the GOP ran two fucking loons on their ticket after putting a crooked SOB in the governor’s mansion.

Yep. I can’t wait to hear the crying about how Cucci and Jackson weren’t “conservative enough” or that ACORN somehow stole this election too.

51 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:48:21pm

re: #41 calochortus

From a random GE website

Yeah, the knob didn’t go far enough. Hence the knife.

It’s still imperfect, but it’s better than it was.

52 calochortus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:49:30pm

re: #51 klys

Yeah, the knob didn’t go far enough. Hence the knife.

It’s still imperfect, but it’s better than it was.

Maybe a hammer would be effective?

53 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:51:05pm

re: #52 calochortus

Maybe a hammer would be effective?

We have flirted with the idea of replacing the oven, but the dimensions, although probably less off than we thought, are still likely non-standard (and it’s a built-in, so hi cabinetry work).

At this point, the next homeowner can deal with it.

54 calochortus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 8:52:34pm

re: #53 klys

Yeah, when we replaced our 1964 oven it required cabinetry work. Modern ovens have a lot more insulation which makes the sizes different than the old days.

55 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:10:08pm

re: #41 calochortus

From a random GE website

To view a short video on adjusting the temperature on digipad models:

consider, if you will, that making these videos for a living is probably a pretty nice gig

56 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:14:33pm

The flow of misinformation about the iminent IPCC release continues like a flood. Tonight, from KSL, one of Utah’s major media outlets, owned by Bonneville International and whose web outlet is produced by Deseret Media Company which in the end owns the above broadcasting company, all of which are under the control of the LDS, we get this:

Climate change report curbs original projections

A new report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, under the direction of the United Nations, will be released on Friday. This will be the first comprehensive report released on global climate change since 2007. Climate experts project the findings will reveal a more stunted impact of man-caused climate change.

[…]

Um… no. Sea level rise will be increased. Impacts on biomes will be increased.

From where does the KSL writer get their ideas? Oh, look:

In a recent Wall Street Journal post, columnist Matt Ridley said he was able to read some of the new report before its release.

“The big news is that, for the first time since these reports started coming out in 1990, the new one dials back the alarm,” Ridley said. “It states that the temperature rise we can expect as a result of man-made emissions of carbon dioxide is lower than the IPCC thought in 2007.”

[…]

Well that explains a lot. KSL writer Robynn Garfield continues:

Key points of the 2007 report, drafted in part by Gore, were later disproved. Most notably, the report claimed that glaciers on the Himalayan mountains would disappear by 2035. According to an article in the Washington Post, climatologists have since found that the glaciers will not melt completely until hundreds of years after 2035.

Um… no, the assessment of the science report was not drafted by AL GORE!!. And the Himalaya glacier thing was a wingnut faux-outrage, because the report in which it was found was shown to be a typo and was corrected and it turned out to be a trivial portion of the overall report. Additionally, recent studies have shown that indeed many Himalayan glaciers are in retreat and the long term projection is for a greatly reduced Himalayan ice pack.

However, no one cares, or at least no one in the KSL structure or their audience will care enough to want to know the truth.

Put simply, there is no accountability in the big wide world of “media”. Simply none. All companies exist to benefit their owners, and whether something is true or not is often incidental to the profitability of a publication or broadcast.

57 calochortus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:17:57pm

Well, I’m out for the night. Hasta Mañana.

58 teleskiguy  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:20:46pm

Who in the Lizard Kingdom knows about this?

59 Kragar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:26:32pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

Who in the Lizard Kingdom knows about this?

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You don’t know about Mike?

60 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:28:32pm

The October National Geographic has an article on The Changing Face of America:

We’ve become a country where
race is no longer so black or white.

[…]

Out in the world, the more curious (or less polite) among us might approach, asking, “Where are you from?” or “What are you?” We look and wonder because what we see—and our curiosity—speaks volumes about our country’s past, its present, and the promise and peril of its future.

The U.S. Census Bureau has collected detailed data on multiracial people only since 2000, when it first allowed respondents to check off more than one race, and 6.8 million people chose to do so. Ten years later that number jumped by 32 percent, making it one of the fastest growing categories. The multiple-race option has been lauded as progress by individuals frustrated by the limitations of the racial categories established in the late 18th century by German scientist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, who divided humans into five “natural varieties” of red, yellow, brown, black, and white. Although the multiple-race option is still rooted in that taxonomy, it introduces the factor of self-determination. It’s a step toward fixing a categorization system that, paradoxically, is both erroneous (since geneticists have demonstrated that race is biologically not a reality) and essential (since living with race and racism is). The tracking of race is used both to enforce antidiscrimination laws and to identify health issues specific to certain populations.

The Census Bureau is aware that its racial categories are flawed instruments, disavowing any intention “to define race biologically, anthropologically, or genetically.” And indeed, for most multiple-race Americans, including the people pictured here, identity is a highly nuanced concept, influenced by politics, religion, history, and geography, as well as by how the person believes the answer will be used. “I just say I’m brown,” McKenzi McPherson, 9, says. “And I think, Why do you want to know?” Maximillian Sugiura, 29, says he responds with whatever ethnicity provides a situational advantage. Loyalties figure in too, especially when one’s heritage doesn’t show up in phenotypical facial features, hair, or skin. Yudah Holman, 29, self-identifies as half Thai and half black, but marks Asian on forms and always puts Thai first, “because my mother raised me, so I’m really proud of being Thai.”

[…]

John Hawks comments that the photos strike him as “mugshots”. Well, I suppose, but that is not uncommon in photography.

The usual crowd (Stormfront, etc.) have a sad.

61 teleskiguy  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:30:01pm

Clicking on the “Acoustic Guitar” tag at LGF reveals a real treasure trove of beautiful music. Thank you Charles!

62 teleskiguy  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:32:54pm

re: #59 Kragar

You don’t know about Mike?

No matter how hard Mike tries, it never works out. He insisted to his parents that he wasn’t on drugs, he was just thinking, you know? After all, he went to our schools, our churches, our institutional learning facilities. How can Mike be crazy?

63 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:35:14pm

re: #60 freetoken

i had a friend who was born in germany to a german father and a mother from czechoslovakia

in germany he was a german because he was born in germany

in america, he told me, he “found out” that he was czech-german

“ya vat the hell is a matter with you americans and your fucked up ideas about race huh?”

64 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:35:27pm


By “powerful enemies” Glenn means “people who want to GOP to win a national election again someday”.

65 Kragar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:36:35pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

No matter how hard Mike tries, it never works out. He insisted to his parents that he wasn’t on drugs, he was just thinking, you know? After all, he went to our schools, our churches, our institutional learning facilities. How can Mike be crazy?

I blame Captain Stupid.

66 Gus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:37:17pm

re: #65 Kragar

I blame Captain Stupid.

I blame Mike Muir of Suicidal Tendencies.

67 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:39:28pm

re: #64 bratwurst

By “powerful enemies” Glenn means “people who want to GOP to win a national election again someday”.

glen beck hating on the gop

ah, sweet music

68 allegro  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:40:32pm
Pray for Ted Cruz tonight. He made powerful enemies became a laughing stock in the GOP this week.He needs the Lords protection His father joins me soon.Power hour
— Glenn Beck (@glennbeck) September 26, 2013
69 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:45:34pm

I know that this was linked earlier, but I think it is worth repeating:

Tenn. Man Says Daughter’s Teacher Promoted ‘Islamic Tolerance’

A Tennessee school district has cancelled some field trips to religious venues after a parent complained that a teacher was pushing “Islamic tolerance” on students.

Mike Conner, 46, of Hendersonville, Tenn., told ABC News that he felt his 14-year-old step daughter’s teacher was intentionally giving Islam a greater emphasis than other religions in her Honors World Studies curriculum. The popular elective at the suburban Nashville school with 1,500 students examines five major world religions but only schedules field trips to two houses of worship – a mosque and a Hindu temple.

“I sent an email to the school principal asking her why they aren’t visiting all five,” Conner said. “She told me, ‘We don’t have the money to go all five.’ If you don’t have the money, why are you going to two? No matter which ones you pick, you’re showing preferential treatment to those two, whichever two it is.”

The school, said it eliminated the field trips to houses of worship because “equal representation in regards to field trips for all religions studied is not feasible,” Sumner County Schools spokesman Jeremy Johnson said in a statement.

[…]

Promoting tolerance - oh, the horror.

But what strikes me is how this idea that doing field trips is not feasible for the other three religions. What a load of crap. In fact, you could probably fit all 5 religions in a one day trip, though it’d probably be a long day. Definitely could be done on two optional Saturday afternoon trips.

Maybe there should be no field trips on principle (after all, there are many more than just 5 worldviews out there). But these excuses officials come up with just to cover their asses when in fact they are just cowering in fear of a fundamentalist backlash.

70 Kragar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:45:57pm

re: #66 Gus

I blame Mike Muir of Suicidal Tendencies.

Youtube Video

71 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:46:05pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

Ah, Suicidal Tendencies. Loved those guys in middle school and high school.

72 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:47:13pm

re: #69 freetoken

We really need to cut parents like these ones out of the equation schooling-wise.

73 Gus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:50:45pm
74 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:51:03pm

File this one under “WTF”:

Fighting ‘sexually transmitted demons’

Rape victims are highly prone to catching sexually transmitted demons. Not metaphoric demons, but genuine soul-dwelling incarnations of Satan. That’s the message being peddled by the ‘teenage exorcists’ , three highly marketable home-schooled bible-bashers from Arizona.

75 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:52:37pm

People derping at celebrities, Modern Family edition:

76 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:54:12pm

re: #74 freetoken

Rape victims are highly prone to catching sexually transmitted demons

so my 13th century medical training is still good?

77 teleskiguy  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:55:37pm

re: #70 Kragar

Ah, damn, we got a lot of stupid people
Doing a lot of stupid things
Thinking a lot of stupid thoughts

Ya think?!? Not much has changed in the 23 years since that album came out.

78 Kragar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:59:05pm

re: #74 freetoken

File this one under “WTF”:

Fighting ‘sexually transmitted demons’

Are those the same dipshits traveling to England to warn them that Harry Potter is real?

79 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 9:59:34pm

re: #78 Kragar

Are those the same dipshits traveling to England to warn them that Harry Potter is real?

Don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

80 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:02:09pm

re: #68 allegro

Pray for Ted Cruz tonight. He made powerful enemies became a laughing stock in the GOP this week.He needs the Lords protection His father joins me soon.Power hour
— Glenn Beck (@glennbeck) September 26, 2013

Dear Holy Almighty Father in Heaven:

Please give Ted Cruise a brain and a heart.

Your suffering servant,

Bong

81 Gus  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:03:54pm

Day 11. Good night.

82 freetoken  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:05:06pm

Your wanna-be GOP nominee, in action:

Marco Rubio Blocks Gay Black Judge’s Nomination to Federal Judiciary

U.S. senator Marco Rubio of Florida has withdrawn his support for a gay black Miami judge nominated for a federal judiciary position, keeping the nominee from receiving a Senate confirmation vote.

Rubio, a Republican, announced Monday that he would no longer support the nomination of Miami-Dade circuit judge William Thomas to the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, citing concerns about Thomas’s rulings in two criminal cases, The New York Times reports.

Nominees for federal judgeships need the support of both U.S. senators from their home state in order for the confirmation process to continue. Florida’s other senator, Democrat Bill Nelson, has endorsed Thomas, who would be the nation’s first openly gay African-American federal judge.

Rubio said he was concerned that Thomas gave too light a sentence to a motorist who killed a bicyclist in a hit-and-run accident, but the lead prosecutor in that case said Thomas acted fairly and within the law. The driver was suspected of being intoxicated at the time, but since he did not turn himself in until the next day, his blood-alcohol level could not be measured, so there were limits on the charges that could be brought against him.

The senator also took issue with Thomas’s actions in a rape-murder case. Thomas ruled against admitting a confession as evidence in the case, saying two of the five defendants had not been read their rights properly or had not understood the information, and an appellate court agreed with part of his ruling. All five eventually either entered guilty pleas or were convicted.

[…]

Rubio is about as transparent of a pandering politician as they come.

Has he figured out how old the Earth is yet?

83 teleskiguy  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:10:56pm
84 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:43:49pm

I got a “Promoted” tweet from Robert Zimmerman - yeah, the asshole actually pays for an audience.

85 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:44:12pm

So.

The husband got to listen in on the second lecture. Thirty seconds in and “this guy is on some serious happy drugs.”

Further into the lecture (and relevant to lizards), we ended up at the current xkcd.

I think Glenn is in the exhibitionist category. But my favorite is the crypto nut.

86 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:44:22pm

And that fucktard calls me a hater?

87 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:49:47pm

re: #85 klys

I feel bad for the poor NSA agent who gets to deal with the Type 5s. The Exhibitionists.

88 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:50:41pm

One scarf down!

…four to go before Christmas. And this one took a month+.

89 darthstar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:51:57pm

re: #88 klys

One scarf down!

…four to go before Christmas. And this one took a month+.

Knit one, buy two.

90 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:56:21pm

re: #89 darthstar

Knit one, buy two.

Heh. They are crochet, not knitting. I have the yarn all bought, just need to do it.

I think the cross stitch is on hold in the evenings for a bit while I crochet. (I’ll take a picture of the completed one for the Lizards to see once I have the ends woven in and it’s been blocked (once I figure out how to do that (look, nested parentheses))).

91 Kragar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 10:58:57pm

High school football coach suspends entire team for cyber-bullying

Faced with reports that members of his team were cyber-bullying a fellow student, a Roosevelt, Utah high school football coach suspended the entire squad, not letting them reform until they agreed to an extensive set of conditions.

KSL-TV reported on Wednesday that Union High coach Matt Labrum disbanded his team on Sept. 20, citing both the bullying and academic and attitude problems plaguing other members. Labrum also chose to tell the 80 students to turn their jerseys and gear in following a Union loss, but denied that was a factor in the decision.

“It just felt like everything was going in a direction that we didn’t want our young men going,” Labrum told KSL. “We felt like we needed to make a stand.”

92 Kragar  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:03:04pm

Stewart destroys Cruz

Youtube Video

93 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:04:56pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

I was kind of thinking about the 90’s today when I was watching a BBC documentary on grunge. It hit me that Nevermind came out 22 years ago and Cobain died in ‘94, twenty years next April. Also, my two brothers have never lived in a Simpsons-less world and I qualify technically too since I was born a month or so after the first Tracey Ullman sketches.

I recall reading Matt Groening’s “Life in Hell” comics in the local alternative newspaper, the Phoenix New Times. I read that he was asked to animate those but came up with the Simpsons instead at the last minute.

94 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:23:58pm

re: #92 Kragar

Stewart destroys Cruz

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Ok. The puppy line just killed me dead.

95 Lidane  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:44:46pm

re: #92 Kragar

The Bore-ax. Hahaha. Awesome.

96 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:49:47pm

re: #95 Lidane

The Bore-ax. Hahaha. Awesome.

/cry

My TV signal cut out before that line.

97 klys  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:53:47pm

Man, I haven’t seen this guy since 3rd Rock From the Sun (because I skipped that last Batman) and while I don’t necessarily think I’m going to go see the movie (Don John) some of the concepts sound really relevant.

98 dog philosopher  Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:57:26pm

i am telling to you this thing this is one bitch bastard of a bug

99 freetoken  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 12:15:50am

re: #88 klys

Did someone say “Christmas”???

MP3 Audio

100 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:23:13am

re: #84 darthstar

I got a “Promoted” tweet from Robert Zimmerman - yeah, the asshole actually pays for an audience.

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And you can thank the TP and the gun nuts for giving him the money he needs to do it.

101 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:24:41am

re: #100 Eclectic Cyborg

And you can thank the TP and the gun nuts for giving him the money he needs to do it.

And everyone who believes that black kids in hoodies do not belong in white neighborhoods.

102 freetoken  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:47:47am

MP3 Audio

103 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 2:48:40am

back on the FT drip…

Keep it coming

104 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 3:01:45am

re: #102 freetoken

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hmmm, doesn’t sound like js

let me make some wild guesses - um, vivaldi, maybe, or rameau?

105 freetoken  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 3:08:30am

re: #104 dog philosopher

Corelli.

106 freetoken  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 3:12:26am

What we love - new chocolate!

Endangered Species introduces two new natural bars in US

Endangered Species has introduced two new natural bars - Dark Chocolate with Vanilla Chai and Dark Chocolate with Pumpkin Spice and Almonds.

These bars complement the first seasonal flavor, Dark Chocolate Peppermint Crunch bar and add to the company’s expanding seasonal range.

Combining vanilla with soothing chai spices such as cardamom, clove, and pepper, the dark chocolate with vanilla chai features a snow leopard on the wrapper. The dark chocolate with pumpkin spice and almonds has autumn spices with hints of crunchy almonds and features an Artic Fox on the label.

Both bars combine ethically traded, sustainably-grown chocolate and are gluten-free and vegan certified.

107 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 3:15:22am

re: #105 freetoken

Corelli.

oh poo i was gonna guess him next

there is a really remarkable set of recordings of corelli sonatas with chiara banchini as first violin

amazon.com

108 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 3:57:57am

In case anyone is keeping tabs, the reports that China would unblock the Internet in the Shanghai free trade zone have so far proved wrong.

shanghaiist.com

Doesn’t affect me one way or the other, though.

109 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 4:05:24am

re: #108 wheat-dogghazi

If they were to do it, it would be out of political expediency and self-interest, not out of a love of freedom of speech and free exchange of Information…

110 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 4:10:57am

re: #109 Sol Berdinowitz

If they were to do it, it would be out of political expediency and self-interest, not out of a love of freedom of speech and free exchange of Information…

Bingo. The Internet and satellite TV are much freer in Macau and Hong Kong, because if the mainland clamped down, businesses and residents there would go ballistic.

111 freetoken  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 4:19:57am

The JBS is warning us: “The Slippery Slope to Pedophilia”

Yeah, you guessed it. Gay marriage is the next step to America to adopting pedophilia as normal.

112 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 4:22:14am

re: #111 freetoken

The JBS is warning us: “The Slippery Slope to Pedophilia”

Yeah, you guessed it. Gay marriage is the next step to America to adopting pedophilia as normal.

Once you let those Ghey Demons in, and the STD Demons in, the Pedophilia Demons are gonna push their way in the door. Demons gotta make a living, you know.

/

113 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 4:25:04am

re: #111 freetoken

The JBS is warning us: “The Slippery Slope to Pedophilia”

Yeah, you guessed it. Gay marriage is the next step to America to adopting pedophilia as normal.

Because we do not understand the concept of “consenting adults”, we understand the principle of “our narrow, bone-headed interpretation of Scripture is binding for everyone”

114 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 4:48:36am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Nah I won’t. I was 9 that year.

re: #14 klys

I was 11.

I just thought it was …a little younger, I guess. But junior high/high school are kind of a mishmash, so…

re: #17 Lidane

I was 23 in 1996. ;)

Shit. They’ve seated me with the Glee Club tour. Stewardess, could you move me to the smoking section and freshen this drink?

(Son1 was 29 in 1996.)

115 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:23:50am

re: #92 Kragar

I do believe “Stuffed Crust Freedom” needs to be a new tag.

I missed this last night, thanks for posting it. The whole thing was just perfect.

116 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:42:21am

Morning shift has a crabby this am (not sleeping very well these days).

WTF is a “vegan strip club”? Evidently Cory Booker tweeted something to a stripper in Portland (of course!) who works in one. Funny that, since I think strip clubs are not much more than human meat on display.

117 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:48:20am

Ah, so. An interesting analysis of the “vegan strip club”. Dudebros!

“Meat on the Pole, Not on the Plate”: Portland’s Vegan Strip Club

veganfeministnetwork.com

“Yep, you read this correctly. Did you know that there has been a vegan strip club in Portland, Oregon since 2008? Well, this kind of makes sense since Portland is the harbor for hipsters and hipster culture tends to be super racist and sexist, but they’re too apathetic to care because…well, they’re hipsters.

“In 2008, Johnny Diablo created the first ever vegan strip club where there’s “meat on the pole, not on the plate.” Folks, this is what happens when we live in a white supremacist patriarchy where we can only focus on one oppression at time. This is exactly what Corey and I have been writing about.”

118 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:57:31am

If you live in California, or even if you don’t and want an idea about how the Obamacare plans work, take a look at this. Whenever anybody tries to compare a non ACA exchange plan with the approved ACA exchange plans, take the time to find out what the deductible on the non-ACA plan is.

In a lot of cases I’ve seen people tout plans they think are or were cheaper before ACA while conveniently leaving out many important details. Many of these so called cheaper plans require a thousand, fifteen hundred dollars or more in up front deductibles to be paid before the patient gets any benefit from the plan in things like x-rays, lab testing, hospitalization / urgent care and ER visits. A lot of them use the term “copay after deductible” meaning they’ll stick you for more money even after that first deductible has been reached.

A lot of the older plans have disappeared or had their prices go up and people will tell you that’s because of Obamacare. What they won’t tell you is that with that increase in price comes a requisite increase in coverage, most of those old cheap plans had lifetime benefit caps. If you exceeded that cap through some kind of devastating illness then you were on your own and forever fucked because of your now “pre-existing” condition.

119 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:18:30am

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

Most of the GOP claims that Obamacare is destroying insurance or causing higher costs gloss over those facts.

Obamacare’s level of coverage, even in the basic package (Bronze) is higher than what was previously required in many states. They’d further ignore that the ACA provides for subsidies for those making up to 400% of the poverty level to keep the person’s health costs below a set percentage of income.

The GOP/TP also likes to tell of people who are finding that their companies are hiking premiums or costs because of Obamacare, even though companies have been shifting costs on to the employees for years - the benefits packages at many companies used to be pensions plus comprehensive health, but that’s eroded to now where companies offer 401k plans with limited match and a health care package that might be worse than what the basic exchange offerings are like. Some companies are even shifting the health benefits to an exchange setup altogether, but those kinds of actions don’t necessarily mean that they’re caused by the ACA.

Correlation is not causation. Some companies are maintaining their current benefits, including Starbucks. Others are shifting. Still others try to screw the workers at every opportunity - Darden and WalMart comes to mind. Yet, there are companies that try to do right by their employees like In and Out and Costco.

But the GOP poisoned the discussion of how best to improve actual issues with ACA implementation because of their overwhelming desire to delay, defund, and destroy the ACA knowing full well that the President will not repeal his signature achievement.

120 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:22:37am

More images emerge from the Nairobi mall attacks, including one of the collapsed parking garage:


My thoughts and prayers go out to all those affected by this heinous attack, and hope that the government casualty lists are accurate and that the al Shabaab terrorists didn’t manage to kill many more.

As it is, the terror group is claiming responsibility for another two attacks, which occurred at Kenyan border towns.

121 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:28:11am

The @CoryBooker nontroversy tweetfest is over before it begins. Apparently, he was tweeting with a stripper from Portland, but there’s nothing there:


Meanwhile, don’t put much stock in to the fact that the race tightened up according to polls since he’s still got a big lead (in funding and in voters) over the nutjob Lonegan. The nontroversies are all that the media can gin up in an election that is generally without any major gaffes or even a discussion of the issues. There’s little to spark discussion, even with the National Review attempting to find dirt on Booker and his real estate holdings and business ventures.

122 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:43:50am

re: #69 freetoken

Islamic tolerance is a slippery slope towards Shariah Law. //

123 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:46:43am

re: #122 Bulworth

Islamic tolerance is a slippery slope towards Shariah Law. //

Yep. Just like eating a halal Butterball turkey this Thanksgiving automatically makes you a Muslim. It’s all part of our secret plan.

Next up: we conspire with the Zionist Overlords. Together, we shall rule over all of you.

MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

//

124 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:49:03am

re: #121 lawhawk

Republican tactic backfired.

But it probably got the publicity for the “vegan strip club” that the owner wanted. Guy is a real sleaze and his place is a dump.

125 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:55:37am

Meanwhile, remember a few days ago when it was announced that a county in NC would ban the book “Invisible Man”, by Ralph Ellison, from its high school book shelves?

Well, apparently the county school board got an earful from some of the more enlightened citizenry. The board met “hastily” last night and reversed the earlier decision by a vote of 6-1. According to the Washington Post*, there was an “outpouring of angry objections from county residents” to the earlier decision.

See how persecuted the RWNJ are now? They can’t even get a book banned in the US of A.////

*The one-paragraph story was in my print edition this morning but I couldn’t find it online.

126 darthstar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:56:14am

re: #123 Dr Lizardo

I will give up my bacon when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

127 darthstar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:56:24am

Mornin’ all.

128 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:57:41am

Freepers be crazy:

John:

0bamaCare is literally Life Or Death.

You think the IRS, FBI, NSA, Benghazi scandals are coincidental?

No.

They will literally come kill you, John.

0bamaCare is already requiring doctors to ask enough of you to determine your political affiliation.

If you think they won’t use your conservative credentials to KILL YOU, you’re not paying attention.


6 posted on September 26, 2013 6:37:16 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Ted Cruz for President!)

129 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:00:04am

re: #128 goddamnedfrank

Freepers be crazy:

Freepers are crazy. Unfortunately, they also tend to be pretty politically active.

They’re the core of the Tea Party Movement to some extent.

130 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:01:30am

re: #128 goddamnedfrank

conservative credentials

I wonder what the Freepers think of my liberal credentials? Am I even an American? /

131 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:02:45am

re: #128 goddamnedfrank

Predictably same dude ranting away about kapos & cattlecars, which by the way is the worst Milton/Bradley board game ever.

132 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:04:11am

Developing: a bridge in Green Bay, Wisconsin suffers serious structural problems - a supporting piece buckled and sagged. No injuries, but the bridge that carried I-43 is closed.

A 400-foot section of the Leo Frigo Bridge — named after a late Wisconsin cheese scion — suddenly sagged Wednesday, forcing police to close off the span that carries Interstate 43 over the Fox River.

“There’s a part that’s sagging,” a motorist told an incredulous 911 operator, according to recordings posted by CNN affiliate WLUK.

“A part that’s sagging?” the operator asked.

“Instead of a bump, it’s a dip,” the driver said.

It appears that one of the piers holding up the bridge sank about 2 feet into the ground, Gov. Scott Walker told reporters Wednesday.

The bridge, which carries 40,000 cars a day, will be closed indefinitely, state officials said.

A search of the bridge safety database found that the main arch span was in good condition. Likewise, the approaches were found in good shape as well.

That’s a pretty scary consideration - the bridge was last inspected in 2012, and engineers deemed it safe.

I’m guessing inspectors will look at whether there was any nearby construction that may have undermined the foundations/footings for the section that sagged.

Google maps seems to show that there was construction on the bridge recently (the street view shows deck work underway), but not sure if that was ongoing at the time of the incident).

The bridge is closed indefinitely, and may take up to a year to reopen after repairs are made - they’re likely going to have to replace the affected pier and associated decking.

133 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:04:26am

re: #129 Dr Lizardo

They’re the core of the Tea Party Movement to some extent.

The radioactive core, in full meltdown.

134 darthstar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:06:45am

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Predictably same dude ranting away about kapos & cattlecars, which by the way is the worst Milton/Bradley board game ever.

I get to be the rusty nail!

135 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:09:57am

Support for the Tea Party absolutely sucks right now. Somehow I doubt that the way to remedy that is for them to something so unpopular as to try and hold the economy hostage again.

We’ll see where they are by Spring of next year, but I’m guessing their support is near rock bottom and that their negatives go way, way up.

136 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:10:42am

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

The radioactive core, in full meltdown.

Heh.

I watch FR from time to time to gauge what’s going on with the hardcore of the Teahadists. What I’m hoping for is that they’ll eventually - and simply - realize that politics is not going to turn out the way they want it to, and quietly walk away from political participation to a great extent. They’ll become so disillusioned that their zeal will burn out.

Granted, I expect there will always be a segment of the Freepers that will never recognize reality, but I tend to think that most of them will.

When that happens, the Tea Party Movement is as dead as the dodo.

137 darthstar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:11:39am

It’s official. John Boehner can’t even take a piss without attaching a repeal Obamacare line item to his dick…which the tea party holds.

washingtonpost.com

The House GOP’s debt limit bill — obtained by the National Review — isn’t a serious governing document. It’s not even a plausible opening bid. It’s a cry for help.

In return for a one-year suspension of the debt ceiling, House Republicans are demanding a yearlong delay of Obamacare, Rep. Paul Ryan’s tax reform plan, the Keystone XL pipeline, more offshore oil drilling, more drilling on federally protected lands, rewriting of ash coal regulations, a suspension of the Environmental Protection Agency’s efforts to regulate carbon emissions, more power over the regulatory process in general, reform of the federal employee retirement program, an overhaul of the Dodd-Frank financial regulations, more power over the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau’s budget, repeal of the Social Services Block Grant, more means-testing in Medicare, repeal of the Public Health trust fund, and more.

138 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:12:05am

Speaking of Paypal…

Why We’ve Agreed to Acquire Braintree

paypal-forward.com

139 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:12:36am

re: #25 klys

Two rolls are ‘golden brown’ and two are not.

Really, this feels like I am probably making it a lot more complicated than it should be, but the rest of my evening involves watching a lecture on mathematic proofs and I’m avoiding it.

Just rotate the pan half way through. An old chef’s trick. ;)

140 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:16:21am

re: #137 darthstar

Well, that all sounds reasonable. ///

141 b.d.  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:22:49am

re: #140 Bulworth

Well, that all sounds reasonable. ///

I can’t believe they didn’t ask for Obama to resign and for Michelle to endorse chugging Yoo-Hoo.

142 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:24:20am

re: #137 darthstar

President Obama’s reaction to the House:

Image: Obama-laughing.jpg

143 darthstar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:24:38am

Yay! Tie debt limit to abortion! Brilliant!

144 darthstar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:27:43am

re: #25 klys

Two rolls are ‘golden brown’ and two are not.

Really, this feels like I am probably making it a lot more complicated than it should be, but the rest of my evening involves watching a lecture on mathematic proofs and I’m avoiding it.

Just blame Obama and serve the damn things.

145 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:29:10am

re: #137 darthstar

It’s official. John Boehner can’t even take a piss without attaching a repeal Obamacare line item to his dick…which the tea party holds.

washingtonpost.com

Just saw him on MSNBC saying the American people have spoken, they do not want Obamacare and ‘we’ have to follow the people. He mentioned that Pres. Obama said he will not negotiate. He finished the video clip saying it just does not work that way. Really?

I hate that orange sonofabitch! It really disturbs me he is from Ohio and I cannot do a thing about him.

Looks like more of the same. So, he is further posturing and will cut a backdoor deal and then say they tried everything, but you know Obama and liberal progressives?

146 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:36:23am

re: #145 ObserverArt

Just saw him on MSNBC saying the American people have spoken, they do not want Obamacare and ‘we’ have to follow the people.

Well, with that logic why not just demand that the Dem Senate approve an Obamacare repeal and that PBO sign it? Why the nickle and dime stuff about funding, delaying for a year, etc?

Not sure if /

147 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:37:37am

Interesting…


Samantha Lewthwaite bbc.co.uk

148 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:37:45am

re: #143 darthstar

Both parties equally at fault, substance not important, rinse, repeat. ///

149 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:41:51am

re: #147 Justanotherhuman

Interesting story, I hadn’t been aware of the details surrounding the British attack.

150 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:51:20am

Cruz’ brilliant Green Eggs and Ham filibuster lauded by the entire right wing radio network, even though it was an endeavor of style over substance.

But the best part: Green Eggs and Ham is about trying something you don’t like then end up liking it.

This is my EPIC LOL face.

151 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:51:55am

Texas idiot Greg Abbott apparently jealous of all the attention lavished on fellow idiot Ted Cruz:

Texas could be on verge of filing its 30th lawsuit against the Obama administration.

Attorney General Greg Abbott, who is running for Texas governor, reiterated on Tuesday that the state would “lead the charge” in bringing legal action against the federal government if the U.S. ratified the United Nations’ Arms Trade Treaty.
texastribune.org

152 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:59:22am

Drudge trolls with claim that Obama raised debt ceiling amounting to more than $40k per person (raising the debt ceiling from $12.394T to $16,394T - $4T).

During Reagan’s term in office, the debt ceiling was raised 17 times, and nearly tripled in size from $985 billion to $2.8 trillion.

Adjusting for inflation here, $985 billion is $2.795 trillion and increased to $5,754 trillion (more than doubling). We’re talking about a 3 trillion dollar increase.

Far from destroying the nation or the economy, Reagan fans look kindly on that massive deficit increase, but now abhor the Obama debt ceiling increases, even though it’s as a result of combatting the worst financial crisis since the great depression and the implosion of the housing and credit bubbles.

153 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:07:41am
154 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:08:23am

re: #152 lawhawk

Are there rogue billionaires/GOP donors who’d benefit from a default?

155 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:12:49am

re: #154 Interesting Times

I’m sure that there are some hedge funds who would benefit from a default, but any kind of default would have a ripple effect across the entire economy - higher borrowing costs for all levels of government and private banking. That means that any kind of project requiring bonding would become more expensive as a result of higher interest rates and a lower bond rating.

Just the talk of a default the last time chopping a percentage off the economic growth and a lower rating from S&P. An actual default would be far more costly.

156 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:16:24am

re: #153 jaunte

Figures. Is the POTUS speaking today on this subject?

157 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:17:13am

re: #156 Bulworth

Figures. Is the POTUS speaking today on this subject?

He’s speaking right now.

158 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:17:37am

re: #156 Bulworth

Figures. Is the POTUS speaking today on this subject?

Live now:
whitehouse.gov

159 sagehen  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:18:13am

The increased interest rates and other american economy ripple effects would be an expensive lesson, but we’d get over it.

What we wouldn’t get over is losing our position as The Currency of the World. That’s half our soft power right there, the fact that people everywhere trust dollar deposits as the closest thing in the world to a sure thing.

160 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:19:39am

re: #158 jaunte

Well, no need to interrupt Faux’s fair and balanced coverage with the Democrat party president. //

161 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:21:11am

Obama:
“It’s unfair for folks to game the system and make the rest of us pay for it.”

162 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:22:40am

re: #155 lawhawk

Just the talk of a default the last time chopping a percentage off the economic growth and a lower rating from S&P. An actual default would be far more costly.

The S&P really needs to not be coy the next time around. No more burying the blame of the GOP inside an explanation of their rejiggering the forecast model of future US debt. They should just come right out and issue a single sentence report that says the GOP is deliberately rat-fucking the US and world economy.

Wouldn’t be very professional but that’s the only way to get the truth out.

163 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:24:08am

re: #159 sagehen

That’s another one of the unintended consequences - countries will invest elsewhere because they will no longer perceive the US dollar as a safe haven (though considering the way China’s economy is operating these days, there aren’t that many safe havens left).

It would cause another global slowdown and potential financial crisis.

164 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:27:43am

Baawww. The feels!

Youtube Video

165 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:28:59am

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

The S&P really needs to not be coy the next time around. No more burying the blame of the GOP inside an explanation of their rejiggering the forecast model of future US debt. They should just come right out and issue a single sentence report that says the GOP is deliberately rat-fucking the US and world economy.

Wouldn’t be very professional but that’s the only way to get the truth out.

They previously indicated that Congress was to blame, but you’re right that they would have to explicitly blame the GOP refusal to raise the debt ceiling without any strings attached. By attaching every wet dream for TP/GOPers, they show themselves to be completely divorced from reality or even compromise.

There’s no reason to compromise with a bunch that throws every conservative wet dream demand - from Keystone to abortion in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. GOPers would be screaming bloody hell if Democrats did something like that - such as demanding enactment of single payer, raising the minimum wage, expanding spending on infrastructure, raising gas taxes to cover mass transit, hiking taxes even further on the wealthy, and closing loopholes on corporate income taxes and eliminating business tax breaks.

That’s essentially the mirror image of what the GOP is threatening/demanding.

And it has to stop. S&P, Moody’s and the financial industry in general needs to put the screws to the GOP to drop this nonsense. Warning the GOP specifically would do that - though the TP would see this as a conspiracy (with blaming the joos not far behind).

166 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:33:12am
167 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:33:20am

re: #111 freetoken

The JBS is warning us: “The Slippery Slope to Pedophilia”

Yeah, you guessed it. Gay marriage is the next step to America to adopting pedophilia as normal.

These idiots have apparently never heard of the legal concept of consent.

Children can’t consent to anything under the law. Neither can animals. That’s not going to change if gays and lesbians get married.

168 erik_t  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:33:24am

re: #165 lawhawk

And it has to stop. S&P, Moody’s and the financial industry in general needs to put the screws to the GOP to drop this nonsense. Warning the GOP specifically would do that - though the TP would see this as a conspiracy (with blaming the joos not far behind).

There’s no way for the Tea Party to get any crazier. The only thing they can do is appear crazier, and to have their masks fall further and further from their faces.

It serves the public interest to reveal these people for what they are as quickly and as fully as possible, so that they might be remanded to the Birchian wastes from whence they came. As such, I fully support poking the bear.

169 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:34:18am

Cruz: The Sam I AM Radio Idiocracy

170 erik_t  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:35:44am

re: #167 Lidane

These idiots have apparently never heard of the legal concept of consent.

Children can’t consent to anything under the law. Neither can animals. That’s not going to change if gays and lesbians get married.

Yahbut what if the sexually transmitted demon does the consenting?!

171 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:36:36am

re: #167 Lidane

These idiots have apparently never heard of the legal concept of consent.

Children can’t consent to anything under the law. Neither can animals. That’s not going to change if gays and lesbians get married.

They have, but it is superseded by the concept of “The Bible says it’s sinful!”

172 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:37:27am

Obama on the GOP debt ceiling hostage-taking:
“We’re not going to submit to this kind of total irresponsibility.”

173 brennant  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:38:17am

re: #137 darthstar

washingtonpost.com

Wow that is nuts. Wow.

174 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:38:46am

“You do not threaten the full faith and credit of the United States. We’re going to keep implementing the law. It’s the law!”

175 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:43:50am

People need to stop calling Cruz’s grandstanding a filibuster. It wasn’t. It didn’t delay action on a piece of legislation or other Senate business.

It was, however, a 20+ hour long infomercial designed to enhance the Ted Cruz brand of Crazy™. It was performance art and showcased that Cruz can’t even understand the basic story of Green Eggs and Ham. If he doesn’t realize that Green Eggs and Ham completely describes his own party’s position, and how nuts they are, he too has no business in the Senate, let alone seeing the White House.

176 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:45:17am
177 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:46:23am

re: #173 brennant

And with that fatuous bit of legislative nonsense, it’s glaringly obvious that the GOP is no longer a serious political party, but a motley collection of demagogic, right-wing populist extremists.

The crazies have won.

178 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:48:43am

OT Drive-by:

BREAKING! Obama Has Dismantled America

According to Pamela Geller. She’s almost outdone herself with the hyperbole on this one—America is over, POTUS is pleased about it, and something about the “viciouos” Fareed Zakaria and good & evil being equivalent now.

Oh, and why didn’t Kenya call on the U.S. for help, huh? I mean it’s POTUS’ “native land”, FFS, yet they got help from Israel. And Sharia, and the MB, and… and… Ayn Rand was totally right… and prepare for your dhimmitude, assholes—she tried to warn you, but nooooo you wouldn’t listen…

I won’t link to the article as I’m sure you can find it by the title. Enjoy the melodrama—it’s classic Geller at her hallucinatory best, LOL:

Obama Has Dismantled America

Does the extinguished candle care about the darkness? Ask the huddled masses who are yearning to be free. America was once thought of as a light unto nations. Obama has single-handedly extinguished that light. […]

…..In a seminal moment for modern historians and active political observers like myself, a snapshot came across the newswires in May 2008, showing candidate Obama crossing an airplane tarmac, mid-gait, and holding Fareed Zakaria’s American epitaph, The Post-American World. In the photo, Obama is holding his place in the book with his finger, as if he didn’t dare put it down and wanted to dive back into it as soon as he could.

The vicious Zakaria describes his book this way: “This is not a book about the decline of America, but rather about the rise of everyone else.” In it, he details the era he hopes we are entering now — a world in which the United States would “no longer dominate the global economy, orchestrate geopolitics, or overwhelm cultures.” […]

Obama seems bound and determined to drive America over a cliff and make Zakaria’s vision of the future a self-fulfilling prophecy. Obama went to work from his first day in office to make Zakaria’s wishful thinking about America’s decline a reality. […]

179 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:49:16am
180 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:50:28am

re: #137 darthstar

washingtonpost.com

From the article:

This looks like an Onion parody of what the House’s debt-ceiling demands might be. It’s a wonder it’s not written in comic sans.

Yeah, pretty much. Every time any GOP politician or pundit starts flapping their pie hole, I see everything in the wingnut font.

181 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:51:00am

re: #173 brennant

Wow that is nuts. Wow.

It’s par for the course. Boehner is so desperate to get enough votes to pass anything that he’s throwing the entire kitchen sink onto the bill. Assuming he can get it to pass, the next part of the charade will be to implore the Senate to act without delay and pass the bill without alteration or to come to the table to “negotiate.”

182 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:51:14am

Your Daily Cantor:

183 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:51:43am

re: #178 CuriousLurker

We are all huddled masses yearning to be Free. //

184 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:53:47am

re: #166 jaunte

The healthcare exchanges with their networks and choice of private insurance = government monopoly. ///

185 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:54:57am

re: #184 Bulworth

“Out, out, brief candle!”

186 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:56:39am

re: #178 CuriousLurker

Not that Pam would understand, but it’s the continued obstructionism of the GOP since Obama took office that has been pushing the USA toward that decline.

187 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:58:04am

re: #174 jaunte

“You do not threaten the full faith and credit of the United States. We’re going to keep implementing the law. It’s the law!”

I heard this in Judge Dredds voice.

188 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:59:47am

re: #186 wheat-dogghazi

Not that Pam would understand, but it’s the continued obstructionism of the GOP since Obama took office that has been pushing the USA toward that decline.

If you do not beat your breast and insist that the USA is the Greatest Nation that has ever existed and is allowed to do whatever it considers expedient to serve its interests, then you are a traitor and terrorist sympathizer.

/

189 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:59:47am

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

I heard this in Judge Dredds voice.

I could see Rock-bama saying it too, while tearing his shirt in half.

190 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:59:49am

And this is the kind of ppl defending Cantor’s nonsensical ravings (along with my retort):

191 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:01:50am

re: #190 lawhawk

Where is Cantor getting his “310% rate increase for Virginians” figure?

192 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:03:00am

re: #191 jaunte

Knowing the rest of the GOP “statistics” it’s probably an apples to oranges comparison. Take the bare bones plan and compare it to the ACA minimums, which are far more comprehensive, all while ignoring the co-pays, deductibles, and other out of pocket expenses.

193 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:03:28am

re: #188 Sol Berdinowitz

If you do not beat your breast and insist that the USA is the Greatest Nation that has ever existed and is allowed to do whatever it considers expedient to serve its interests, then you are a traitor and terrorist sympathizer.

/

History is full of empires, republics, monarchies, even democracies that eventually collapsed. The “USA do or die” types believe the USA will last a 1,000 years or more while maintaining its position as king of the world’s hill. Realistically speaking, that’s not going to happen in a competitive world. One man is not going to bring it down the USA, but continual short-sighted political hooliganism and kabuki theater will.

194 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:05:40am

GOP to POTUS: “Challenge accepted!”

195 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:07:53am

re: #194 Lidane

[Embedded content]

More appropriately, it should read

“No Congress in history has ever been batshit insane enough to threaten economic shutdown just to blackmail a president. Until now. Ladies and gentlemen, for your consideration, the GOP of 2013.”

Granted, that won’t fit in a tweet.

196 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:13:04am

The kitties get to go to the v-e-t this morning. This is going to be all kinds of fun for all parties involved.

First challenge: three cats, two carriers.

197 brennant  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:13:52am

re: #196 klys

The kitties get to go to the v-e-t this morning. This is going to be all kinds of fun for all parties involved.

First challenge: three cats, two carriers.

Pro-tip: Do not let them see the carrier(s).

198 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:18:07am

re: #197 brennant

Pro-tip: Do not let them see the carrier(s).

Don’t let them hear you open the carriers either. Mine flip out when that happens and the girl cat runs and hides.

199 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:23:14am
200 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:27:00am

re: #191 jaunte

Where is Cantor getting his “310% rate increase for Virginians” figure?

Rectally.

201 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:28:56am

My kitties love their carrier. We got it out a week before the last vet trip. They slept in it and on top of it, and got territorial over it. We left it out for a couple of weeks after the vet trip because they enjoy it so much. They always slept in it when they were babies.

202 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:31:31am

re: #197 brennant

My preferred trick is to vertically tilt the carrier and drop the cat in, then you can easily shut it without worrying about a potential escape.

203 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:31:52am

re: #190 lawhawk

Apparently he’s now saying that when PBO signed the Obamacare law the iPad didn’t exist. And this is supposed to be important for some reason.

204 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:32:03am

re: #182 lawhawk

Your Daily Cantor:

[Embedded content]

Every retail job I ever had since a teenager was like that, Eric.
Not that you care.

205 Mike Lamb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:32:03am

re: #178 CuriousLurker

Does Atlas Jugs read the first two lines of her piece, sit back and think “Nailed it! By God, Pam, you’ve outdone yourself this time!” It’s just horrific.

206 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:33:32am
207 erik_t  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:35:38am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

My preferred trick is to vertically tilt the carrier and drop the cat in, then you can easily shut it without worrying about a potential escape.

In my experience the cat expands to more than fill the shape of the opening. One must retract the cat in order to pass it through the portal.

208 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:36:16am

re: #178 CuriousLurker

OT Drive-by:

BREAKING! Obama Has Dismantled America

According to Pamela Geller. She’s almost outdone herself with the hyperbole on this one—America is over, POTUS is pleased about it, and something about the “viciouos” Fareed Zakaria and good & evil being equivalent now.

Oh, and why didn’t Kenya call on the U.S. for help, huh? I mean it’s POTUS’ “native land”, FFS, yet they got help from Israel. And Sharia, and the MB, and… and… Ayn Rand was totally right… and prepare for your dhimmitude, assholes—she tried to warn you, but nooooo you wouldn’t listen…

I won’t link to the article as I’m sure you can find it by the title. Enjoy the melodrama—it’s classic Geller at her hallucinatory best, LOL:

dismantled America? Yes, Pam, that’s exactly what he’s done. That woman is fucking sick and her diagnosis is HateObamaanddrinktoomuchcheapvodka.

209 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:41:28am

The Republicans are now seeming to be willing to destroy America to get what they want.

I wish we had a route for legally punishing them.

210 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:41:49am

I mean you know what. I get disagreeing with Obama’s policies. I do not get rejecting policies that were once embraced as the alternative to the equally centrist Clinton and likening them as the moron Levin did yesterday to the USSR. ACA isn’t even NHS (British style health care) let alone what the USSR and other communist countries did and honestly when it comes to healthcare, that was the least of the USSR’s evils. I do not get thinking that this president is a secret Muslim whose goal is to force the American people to convert to Islam. And if the RWNJs remembered the Manchurian Candidate, they would know that it’s more likely that one of them is the sekrit Muslim invader who thinks that Raymond Shaw is the most kind and gentle human being they’ve ever known.

211 erik_t  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:42:27am

re: #209 ProTARDISLiberal

The Republicans are now seeming to be willing to destroy America to get what they want.

…”now”?

212 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:43:32am

On the bright side, got a fun weekend ahead.

213 piratedan  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:44:06am

re: #209 ProTARDISLiberal

we had to burn the country down to the ground in order to save it, or at least YOUR part of the country, strangely enough, behind the clicker activated gated community that the GOP lives in was miraculously spared, praise Jeebus.

214 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:44:49am

re: #211 erik_t

It got a lot more blatant.

The Republican Party is essentially know the Christian Version of the Muslim Brotherhood. I wish we could treat them the same way.

215 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:45:28am

re: #201 wrenchwench

My kittens love their carrier, too.
It has a door on one end, but also a large door on top; and it’s big enough for two adult cats, so there’s lots of room.
The vet’s office really likes the top door. It makes it much easier to get to the kittehs.

216 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:46:31am

BTW, when the kitties aren’t playing in their carrier, it contains the kitty bug-out kit. Spare kibble and canned food and their harnesses and a blanket, in case we ever need to leave in an emergency.

217 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:47:15am

When a party’s ideology is simply to oppose whatever their opponent offers, they’ve ceased to be a relevant voice of discussion in the Republic. When their leaders threaten shut down over a lawfully passed bill and one furthermore one that the USSC upheld under a chief justice appointed by a Republican president, indeed a chief justice many Republican candidates have said would be someone they’d look to emulate when picking their own members of the judiciary, that ideology has failed. Nobama isn’t an ideology. It’s a cult. Obama may not be the hope and change some of us hoped for from him and his administration. But it’s better than the Nope Change that the Republicans continue to offer to the American people. Tax cuts to the very wealthy while at the same time raising military spending and cutting social welfare spending is simply bad economics. It’s why we got into this deficit crisis in the first place.

218 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:50:05am

re: #188 Sol Berdinowitz

If you do not beat your breast and insist that the USA is the Greatest Nation that has ever existed and is allowed to do whatever it considers expedient to serve its interests, then you are a traitor and terrorist sympathizer.

/

That only applies if you’re a Republican.

If you’re Barack Obama and you talk about American Exceptionalism, then you’re an arrogant asshole because Putin and freedom and eleventy.

219 Lidane  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:51:15am

re: #207 erik_t

In my experience the cat expands to more than fill the shape of the opening. One must retract the cat in order to pass it through the portal.

In other words, hold their feet together and then drop them into the carrier. Heh.

220 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:56:56am

Funny how questioning Bush’s actions was called treasonous but it’s okay to say outright that President Obama is a sleeper Muslim agent who wants this nation destroyed. I’l say it here. For President Bush’s first term, I detested him. I had what one would call BDS but you know what, even I never thought he was weakening the nation on purpose. It’s one thing to question priorities, it’s another thing to claim that the President of the United States is implementing bad policies because he wants America to be destroyed because he’s a secret agent of a terrorist organization. This isn’t some cheap dime spy thriller where the POTUS takes off his mask and says aha “My real name is blah blah and I’ve been a deep sleeper agent since the time I was 5 and my goal to destroy your pathetic country will soon come to fruition.” And then of course the “patriot” shoots the traitorous president and the day is saved. And it’s morning in America again.

221 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:55:42am

re: #191 jaunte

Where is Cantor getting his “310% rate increase for Virginians” figure?

Probably based on the costs for a guy that died 35 years ago and never had insurance. Yeah, they are digging that deep.

/

222 ObserverArt  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:59:51am

re: #193 wheat-dogghazi

History is full of empires, republics, monarchies, even democracies that eventually collapsed. The “USA do or die” types believe the USA will last a 1,000 years or more while maintaining its position as king of the world’s hill. Realistically speaking, that’s not going to happen in a competitive world. One man is not going to bring it down the USA, but continual short-sighted political hooliganism and kabuki theater will.

What gets me, they are behind almost all of the crap that will bring this country down. They wreck the economy, they make our name dirt in the world, they destroy science and maybe even ding the planet in doing so, they make the population less educated…on and on.


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