GOP Creationists File Federal Lawsuit to Stop Kansas From Teaching Evolution

Kansas cavemen emerge again
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Here we go again in Kansas, where Republicans are trying to use the “religious freedom” ploy to get their creationist nonsense into public school science classes: Anti-Evolution Group Sues to Block Kansas School Science Standards.

This is the Republican Party in 2013: ignorant, reactionary anti-science religious fanatics, and proud of it. Poll after poll shows that creationism is a majority view in the GOP — and a significant number of elected representatives are in that majority.

The group, Citizens for Objective Public Education, had criticized the standards developed by Kansas, 25 other states and the National Research Council for treating both evolution and climate change as key scientific concepts to be taught from kindergarten through 12th grade. The Kansas State Board of Education adopted them in June to replace evolution-friendly standards that had been in place since 2007.

The new standards, like the ones they replaced, reflect the mainstream scientific view that evolution is well-established. Most board members believed the guidelines will improve science education by shifting the emphasis in science classes to doing hands-on projects and experiments.

The nonprofit organization based in the small community of Peck, south of Wichita, was joined in its lawsuit by 15 parents from across the state with a total of 18 children — most of them in public schools — and two taxpayers from the Kansas City-area community of Lake Quivira. The parents say they’re Christians who want to instill a belief in their children that “life is a creation made for a purpose.”

“The state’s job is simply to say to students, ‘How life arises continues to be a scientific mystery and there are competing ideas about it,’” said John Calvert, a Lake Quivira attorney involved in the lawsuit. …

Calvert was a key figure in past Kansas evolution debates as a founder of the Intelligent Design Network, contending that life is too complex to have developed through unguided evolution. Joshua Rosenau, programs and policy director for the Oakland, Calif.-based National Center for Science Education, said Calvert has been making such an argument for years and “no one in the legal community has put much stock in it.”

“They’re trying to say anything that’s not promoting their religion is promoting some other religion,” Rosenau said, dismissing the argument as “silly.”

The case is the latest chapter in a long-running debate in Kansas over what to teach students about 19th century naturalist Charles Darwin’s theories on evolution and scientific developments since. Kansas has had six different sets of science standards in the past 15 years, as conservative Republicans skeptical of evolution gained and lost board majorities.

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Calvert said the new standards are particularly troubling because students would start learning evolutionary concepts in kindergarten.

“By the time you get into the third grade, you learn all the essential elements of Darwinian evolution,” Calvert said. “By the time you’re in middle school, you’re a Darwinist.”

Lunatics. They are, of course, free to indoctrinate their own children with this fanatical claptrap, but that’s not good enough for them. They have a burning need to indoctrinate your children too.

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541 comments
1 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:29:46am
The group, Citizens for Objective Public Education,

I believe these people have an office in the Ministry of Truth.

2 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:29:49am

The best strategy for Republicans is to make sure as many people are as ignorant as their base.

3 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:30:52am

Already posted this in Kragar’s page on the subject but I love how they call themselves Citizens for Objection Public Education because it’s totally objective to try to remove a well documented scientific theory and replace it with “God created the earth in six days.” Shit that’s not even education. These people are why we’re struggling as a nation in science and math scores because they reject anything that conflicts with their narrow minded religious views.

4 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:34:15am

Everyone knows the world was created when Odin forged it from the flesh of Ymir.

That’s science.

5 Danforth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:34:54am
“contending that life is too complex to have developed through unguided evolution”

Another proud flunkee from macrostatistics class.

6 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:35:38am
“By the time you’re in middle school, you’re a Darwinist.”

Yeah, sure.

7 nines09  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:35:54am

It seems any title that has citizen, freedom, patriot, alliance, foundation, or liberty in it is a shell game for the Tea Party or the Grifters On Parade Cult.

8 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:37:55am

I love believers of an omnipotent, omniscient deity who say he could create everything in the universe except for evolution.

Omnipotence isn’t what it used to be.

9 Stifford  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:37:56am

I don’t think they will be happy until the day “Because God don’t make no junk” is an acceptable answer to every question on a science test.

10 nines09  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:37:58am

re: #6 jaunte

Yeah, sure.

Then the next step is Godless Communism./

11 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:38:40am

Tom DeLay: ‘American people never miss the government’ when it’s shut down

Actually Tom, its just you nobody misses when you’re gone.

12 jayjaybear  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:40:42am

Odin? Ymir? INFIDEL!

Everyone knows the Earth was formed from the sea when Izanami and Izanagi churned it with the Heavenly Spear!

13 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:40:52am

AP is tweeting that the Senate vote has “averted a government shutdown.”

Pardon me while I go pound my head against a wall.

14 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:40:59am

re: #8 Kragar

I love believers of an omnipotent, omniscient deity who say he could create everything in the universe except for evolution.

Omnipotence isn’t what it used to be.

Too busy stockpiling gold, water, and seeds in the bunker for Ragnarok.

15 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:45:18am

re: #12 jayjaybear

Odin? Ymir? INFIDEL!

Everyone knows the Earth was formed from the sea when Izanami and Izanagi churned it with the Heavenly Spear!

In the beginning, there was nothing but a churning nuclear chaos and the piping of mad gods.

16 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:45:33am

The Flintstones was a documentary.

17 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:47:29am

re: #11 Kragar

Tom DeLay: ‘American people never miss the government’ when it’s shut down

Actually Tom, its just you nobody misses when you’re gone.

Except those people who get their paycheck from the government. or benefit from the feds, but fuck them they’re all moochers. Tom should be lucky his sorry ass isn’t in jail.

18 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:48:06am

Actually, I think these folks want their religion taught as science because they don’t really believe it. If they felt confident, a challenge from science wouldn’t be a problem would it now?

19 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:48:31am

I suppose we can take some (very) small comfort from this proof that Texas does not have a monopoly on superstition, medievalism, and common hucksterism in education.

21 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:49:30am

re: #11 Kragar

Tom DeLay: ‘American people never miss the government’ when it’s shut down

Actually Tom, its just you nobody misses when you’re gone.

I’m going to miss the $100,000,000 a day (more or less) it is predicted to cost to shut down the government.

22 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:49:42am

re: #20 Kragar

Poll: Ted Cruz Is Now The Top Choice For GOP Primary Voters In 2016

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May Cthulhu grant us this great boon.

23 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:49:46am
24 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:49:50am

re: #20 Kragar

Poll: Ted Cruz Is Now The Top Choice For GOP Primary Voters In 2016

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i hope they finally get their beloved true conservative so they can see first hand how much Americans loathe “true conservatism” but there will be some kind of excuse regardless of what happens.

25 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:50:22am

re: #20 Kragar

Poll: Ted Cruz Is Now The Top Choice For GOP Primary Voters In 2016

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26 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:50:24am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I rest assured that Ted Cruz, or whoever the nominee is, will in some way fail conservatism. /

27 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:50:24am
28 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:50:24am

Why doesn’t anyone ever say anything nice about Kansas?

Oh, that’s right. Never mind.

29 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:51:07am

:02 seconds!

30 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:52:10am

I guess the howler monkeys are too busy with the CR and Senate votes to notice that the IPCC report found a 95% chance that human activity is responsible for global warming seen.

Among the conclusions to policy makers:

Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed
changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, sea level has risen, and the concentrations of greenhouse gases have increased.

Each of the last three decades has been successively warmer at the Earth’s surface than any preceding decade since 1850 (see Figure SPM.1). In the Northern Hemisphere, 1983-2012 was likely the warmest 30-year period of the last 1400 years (medium confidence).

Ocean warming dominates the increase in energy stored in the climate system, accounting for more than 90% of the energy accumulated between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence). It is virtually certain that the upper ocean (0−700 m) warmed from 1971 to 2010 (see Figure SPM.3), and it likely warmed between the 1870s and 1971.

Over the last two decades, the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have been losing mass, glaciers have continued to shrink almost worldwide, and Arctic sea ice and Northern Hemisphere spring snow cover have continued to decrease in extent (high confidence).

Page after page, the report highlights the consensus of climate scientists from around the world and research data accumulated by these specialists over the past several years. The results are undeniable - except to the reactionary right wing science adverse GOPers who cling to “global warming as myth” theology. Because it’s a belief system - it’s not based in fact.

31 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:52:14am

re: #26 Bulworth

I rest assured that Ted Cruz, or whoever the nominee is, will in some way fail conservatism. /

Of course. It wasn’t enough that Mitt Romney had to go full-con to win the nomination. It wasn’t enough that he had the most conservative running mate in years. I just want them to see flatout that their worldview is overwhelmingly rejected.

32 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:52:24am

re: #28 darthstar

Why doesn’t anyone ever say anything nice about Kansas?

Oh, that’s right. Never mind.

I like “Carry on my wayward son”.

33 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:52:58am

re: #4 Kragar

Everyone knows the world was created when Odin forged it from the flesh of Ymir.

That’s science.

Odin goes by the name of Donar Vadderung these days.

34 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:53:19am

re: #25 Lidane

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If that’s a huge rally for Cruz. I wonder what a small one is for him.

35 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:54:45am

re: #30 lawhawk

Moar lies! Not tru signs!!!11

36 erik_t  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:57:14am

Ironically, Kansas keeps evolving their education standards.

37 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:57:42am

re: #9 Stifford

I don’t think they will be happy until the day “Because God don’t make no junk” is an acceptable answer to every question on a science test.

Um. Naked mole rat, anyone?

38 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:59:47am

A responsible judge would achieve the dismissal of this suit as quickly as the law permits. Maybe a responsible judge will be assigned to this case. I assume that Kansas has some responsible judges.

39 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:59:52am

Bill O’Reilly Says Romney Didn’t Want To Win 2012 Presidential Election

O’Reilly told the crowd at a Faulkner University fundraiser that he asked Romney to appear on “The O’Reilly Factor” for an entire hour the Monday night before the election, after the Obama campaign turned down an offer to split the hour.

“We never got an answer,” O’Reilly said, as quoted by AL.com. “We never got a reason. They just didn’t do it.”

“So we’re sitting there going, ‘Does this guy want to lose?’ The answer is yes, he did not want to be president of the United States, and that’s why he lost,” he continued.

To further prove that Romney “did not want to win the election,” O’Reilly said the former Massachusetts governor missed a crucial opportunity to gain the upper hand in the third presidential debate. He faulted Romney for not directly confronting the president about last year’s deadly attack on the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that resulted in the deaths of four Americans.

“It would have knocked him right out,” O’Reilly said. “He could not have answered. He would have evaded it. He didn’t have the answers. He could have just won the election right there.”

40 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:01:03am

BENGHAZI

41 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:01:05am

re: #39 Kragar

Yeah, Romney not wanting to go on that geezer’s stupid show means he didn’t want to win. OK. /

42 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:01:53am

A sensitive soul.

43 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:02:22am

re: #42 jaunte

liberty

44 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:02:47am

re: #39 Kragar

Bill O’Reilly Says Romney Didn’t Want To Win 2012 Presidential Election

That’s why he spent more time running for president than he ever did actually governing an office. It can’t possibly be that Mitt Romney is an absolute buffoon when it comes to politics. Remember, the man’s won one election his whole life and it was in a very Republican year against a weak opponent and I believe a third party candidate ran too. And as if appearing on a douche like O’Reilly’s show would have helped him and the way he reacted on Benghazi was stupid.

45 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:03:05am
46 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:03:19am

re: #30 lawhawk

I guess the howler monkeys are too busy with the CR and Senate votes to notice that the IPCC report found a 95% chance that human activity is responsible for global warming seen.

Among the conclusions to policy makers:

Page after page, the report highlights the consensus of climate scientists from around the world and research data accumulated by these specialists over the past several years. The results are undeniable - except to the reactionary right wing science adverse GOPers who cling to “global warming as myth” theology. Because it’s a belief system - it’s not based in fact. there is a mass conspiracy by all involved scientists and Obama to use this report as an excuse for triggering a UN overthrow of America.

(This comment corrected by AMOT v0.2)

47 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:03:37am

Still watching John Cornyn getting flayed alive on his FB page for voting for cloture. Apparently he is now a traitor, a RINO, a filthy commie and Obama lover, and must immediately be recalled and/or primaried.

Please proceed, teabaggers.

48 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:03:40am

re: #42 jaunte

A sensitive soul.

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But it’s totally classy to call the Democrats, communists. And the TP do act like anarchists with their anti-government bs.

49 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:04:59am

re: #39 Kragar

Idiotic. Romney wanted to be president for a very simple reason. The tax cuts that would have resulted from this would have greatly benefitted Mitt Romney.

50 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:05:03am

re: #48 HappyWarrior

But all the bad “-ists” should be on the other side!!!

51 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:05:11am

DON’T CALL US BIGOTS YOU NAZI COMMUNIST ISLAMIST!

52 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:07:29am

re: #49 EPR-radar

Idiotic. Romney wanted to be president for a very simple reason. The tax cuts that would have resulted from this would have greatly benefitted Mitt Romney.

Ego. Mitt Romney is probably the most egotistical man I’ve seen nominated by a party for president. He’s the kind of guy who runs for president and tries to empathize with the unemployed by saying I’m unemployed too! Oh wait he totally did that.

53 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:07:31am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Of course. It wasn’t enough that Mitt Romney had to go full-con to win the nomination. It wasn’t enough that he had the most conservative running mate in years. I just want them to see flatout that their worldview is overwhelmingly rejected.

Perhaps a Goldwateresque electoral drubbing is what’s needed to restore some level of sanity to the GOP.

54 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:08:04am
55 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:09:35am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

Perhaps a Goldwateresque electoral drubbing is what’s needed to restore some level of sanity to the GOP.

I think they do need that but instead of building from Goldwater’s ashes, an even more dangerous form of conservatism. They need to realize that ultra-so con policies combined with right wing economics doesn’t work. They’d score points in my book if they told the religious right to get lost but they won’t because they love their votes and money too much to care about principles like treating women and gays like equals.

56 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:10:44am

They’re so full of horseshit it’s not funny.

If you go to CORE’s website, there is a link to “Recommended Reading.”

Under the “Science” category, a link reads “Articles that document concerns about the Next Generation Science Standards.”

Click on that and you’ll find a link to an article written by Calvin Beisner, the President of the Cornwall Alliance.

Here’s what the Cornwall Alliance says about itself:

The Cornwall Alliance is a coalition of clergy, theologians, religious leaders, scientists, academics, and policy experts committed to bringing a balanced Biblical view of stewardship to the critical issues of environment and development.

Open-minded, my ass.

57 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:11:40am

re: #56 BongCrodny

They’re so full of horseshit it’s not funny.

If you go to CORE’s website, there is a link to “Recommended Reading.”

Under the “Science” category, a link reads “Articles that document concerns about the Next Generation Science Standards.”

Click on that and you’ll find a link to an article written by Calvin Beisner, the President of the Cornwall Alliance.

Here’s what the Cornwall Alliance says about itself:

Open-minded, my ass.

They’re just like the GOP. Totally open-minded to you giving them their way on every single issue.
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58 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:12:10am

We stopeed teaching people what science is and how it works and we get Creationism

We never taught people about sexuality and human biology, and we get high rates of teen pregnancy and STD’s

We stopped teaching people how the government works and why it is there and we get the Tea Party.

We can’t afford this level of stupid.

59 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:13:21am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

Perhaps a Goldwateresque electoral drubbing is what’s needed to restore some level of sanity to the GOP.

A Mondale-style beating would be more effective. Nominate a True Believer, run as far to the right as possible in the general to stay true to “conservative” values, then lose resoundingly.

That is the only thing that might start the GOP on the road to regaining their sanity and relevance,

60 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:15:00am

Meanwhile, the one-man law enforcement nightmare known as George Zimmerman is back in the news.

George Zimmerman has a new set of legal woes — his mother-in-law just filed a police report, claiming George stole furniture and a TV from her house.

Shellie Zimmerman’s mom owns the house where George and Shellie were living before they split. The mom claims George was ordered to vacate no later than yesterday … and apparently when he did her stuff went missing.

The divorce seems to be proceeding like everything else Zimmerman has touched: scorched earth and no one left standing.

61 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:15:09am

re: #55 HappyWarrior

I think they do need that but instead of building from Goldwater’s ashes, an even more dangerous form of conservatism. They need to realize that ultra-so con policies combined with right wing economics doesn’t work. They’d score points in my book if they told the religious right to get lost but they won’t because they love their votes and money too much to care about principles like treating women and gays like equals.

It would be very difficult for the GOP to tell the religious right to go away and leave them alone; as you said, they need their votes and their money. However, perhaps if they told the wingnuts to go get stuffed, they may be able to rebuild a working coalition of centrist to moderate conservatives and run with that going forward.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the SoCons tried a third-party movement; indeed, were I a gambling man, I’d be willing to lay money on the fact that they will sometime in the near future, as early as 2016. The SoCons feel that they’re being slowly marginalized, and in that case, they’ll try to go third-party to ensure they still have a political voice - barring a failed attempt to completely take over the GOP.

62 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:15:38am

re: #59 Lidane

A Mondale-style beating would be more effective. Nominate a True Believer, run as far to the right as possible in the general to stay true to “conservative” values, then lose resoundingly.

That is the only thing that might start the GOP on the road to regaining their sanity and relevance,

Except even then, the #TPExtortionists would claim that the person wasn’t sufficiently conservative/extreme enough.

63 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:15:38am

re: #59 Lidane

A Mondale-style beating would be more effective. Nominate a True Believer, run as far to the right as possible in the general to stay true to “conservative” values, then lose resoundingly.

That is the only thing that might start the GOP on the road to regaining their sanity and relevance,

Yes, Mondale is a better analogy here. Or McGovern perhaps too. The Goldwater defeat was a big one for the right but as I already said, what arose from that was an even more nutty ideology. Goldwater would be horrified with today’s conservatives for a reason.

64 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:16:26am

re: #59 Lidane

A Mondale-style beating would be more effective. Nominate a True Believer, run as far to the right as possible in the general to stay true to “conservative” values, then lose resoundingly.

That is the only thing that might start the GOP on the road to regaining their sanity and relevance,

Heh. Poor old Walter. If I recall, he only won Minnesota in that election.

65 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:18:37am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Yes, Mondale is a better analogy here. Or McGovern perhaps too. The Goldwater defeat was a big one for the right but as I already said, what arose from that was an even more nutty ideology. Goldwater would be horrified with today’s conservatives for a reason.

Agreed. Mondale is a better analogy than Goldwater; he would have little patience with today’s so-called ‘conservatives’ who are more accurately ‘extreme reactionaries’.

66 chadu  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:19:45am

re: #33 Romantic Heretic

Odin goes by the name of Donar Vadderung these days.

Updings for Dresden!

67 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:20:00am

re: #61 Dr Lizardo

I wouldn’t be surprised if the SoCons tried a third-party movement; indeed, were I a gambling man, I’d be willing to lay money on the fact that they will sometime in the near future, as early as 2016. The SoCons feel that they’re being slowly marginalized, and in that case, they’ll try to go third-party to ensure they still have a political voice - barring a failed attempt to completely take over the GOP.

They threatened to do so in 2008 over McCain’s rather liberal social policies, that was part of the reason they got Sarah on board, she was supposed to stand for all those vaunted SoCon family values.

68 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:21:24am

re: #64 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Poor old Walter. If I recall, he only won Minnesota in that election.

Barely. Mondale got 49.72% of the vote in Minnesota, and Reagan got 49.54%. Something like 3600 votes made the difference.

69 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:22:57am

re: #67 Sol Berdinowitz

Tzhey threatened to do so in 2008 over McCain’s rather liberal social policies, that was part of the reason they got Sarah on board, she was supposed to stand for all those vaunted SoCon family values.

Both Palin and radio blabmesiter Mark Levin are all but calling for a third-party movement; if the GOP ‘fails conservatism’ -LOLOLOL- and especially if they come to some kind of immigration reform deal, then a third party, a nativist/SoCon party, is all but inevitable.

70 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:23:02am

I’ll buy insurance when I get old or sick, and save money!!!

71 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:24:33am

re: #68 Lidane

Barely. Mondale got 49.72% of the vote in Minnesota, and Reagan got 49.54%. Something like 3600 votes made the difference.

I was quite young during that election cycle; I never realized it was that close in Minnesota. Damn; Mondale came within a whisker of suffering a total 50 state blowout.

72 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:24:50am

Talibornagains….

Hey, lets force them to teach evolution in church.

Kansas trying to take the “Stoopid” title away from TX

73 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:25:17am

re: #54 jaunte

Everybody’s rolling the Speaker.

74 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:26:04am

re: #68 Lidane

Barely. Mondale got 49.72% of the vote in Minnesota, and Reagan got 49.54%. Something like 3600 votes made the difference.

That’s crazy. It’s too bad that people didn’t see that Reagan was a BS artist. I still contend he’s our most overrated president.

75 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:26:53am

#newGOPDemands

Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Holder resign, appoint Cruz president.

76 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:27:12am

re: #70 jaunte

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I’ll buy insurance when I get old or sick, and save money!!!

Oh man what an idiot.

77 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:28:29am

re: #72 Egregious Philbin

Talibornagains….

Hey, lets force them to teach evolution in church.

Kansas trying to take the “Stoopid” title away from TX

They already do teach evolution in church.

“Now children, you may hear about something called “evolution”; all you need to know is that the man who came up with it, Charles Darwin, was Satan in human form, and that “evolution” is a lie straight from the bottomless pit of Hell and if you believe in it, then you’ll burn in the Lake of Fire for all eternity. Any questions?”

78 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:29:14am

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

They already do teach evolution in church.

Now children, you may hear about something called “evolution”; all you need to know is that the man who came up with it, Charles Darwin, was Satan in human form, and that “evolution” is a lie straight from the bottomless pit of Hell and if you believe in it, then you’ll burn in the Lake of Fire for all eternity. Any questions?”

Can God make a rock so big that even he can’t lift it?

79 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:29:40am

re: #70 jaunte

Many of the people that do not have insurance do NOT want it or NEED it. Many young & healthy.

obviously, it’s physically impossible for them to have an accident and end up disabled in the hospital with hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills

not possible

80 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:30:20am

re: #78 Feline Fearless Leader

Can God make a rock so big that even he can’t lift it?

What a silly question. You’re going to straight to hell. Anyone else?

81 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:30:28am

re: #79 dog philosopher

Young people also never get cancer or any other serious, life-threatening illnesses. /

82 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:30:47am

re: #79 dog philosopher

obviously, it’s physically impossible for them to have an accident and end up disabled in the hospital with hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills

not possible

When I last lived in the states in the 1980’s I had a $5,000 deductible health insurance policy that was basically just there to help keep me from going bankrupt if I got run over by a truck.

83 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:30:50am

re: #70 jaunte

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I’ll buy insurance when I get old or sick, and save money!!!

That’s why we won’t insure our house until it’s on fire.

84 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:31:29am

re: #83 calochortus

That’s why we won’t insure our house until it’s on fire.

And I won’t put on a condom until after I get AIDS

85 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:32:05am

re: #83 calochortus

yeah, let the bank buy the insurance. /

86 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:35:04am

re: #70 jaunte

I’ll buy insurance when I get old or sick, and save money!!!

If I buy insurance and the Rapture comes tomorrow, I lose!

(Yea, yea, going to hell, heard that one already.) :(

87 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:38:27am

Oklahoma!

88 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:38:43am

You sure can learn a lot on cspanchat.

89 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:39:26am

re: #86 Feline Fearless Leader

If I buy insurance and the Rapture comes tomorrow, I lose!

(Yea, yea, going to hell, heard that one already.) :(

I once had to explain the Rapture to a Muslim English language student of mine. I wound up looking it up to make sure I was explaining it properly to her.

After I got done, she burst into laughter like that video clip of J. Jonah Jameson that turns up so often. Like she pointed out, the Rapture doctrine contradicts Christian thought, especially Catholic/Greek Orthodox thought, which is what she was most familiar with.

90 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:40:02am

re: cutting weekly hours to 30 to avoid health care mandate

you have three employees working 40 hr weeks. you cut their hours down to 30 each

now you have 30 hrs less capacity, which makes the existing employees jobs less desirable, or you hire another person to make up the time

then you have four employees working 30 instead of three working 40

- you lose in overhead per employee at least some of what you’ll save on health insurance

- your employees are more likely to go somewhere else where they can get health insurance from the job, making the salary you are paying less competetive

91 EmmaAnne  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:40:03am

re: #70 jaunte

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I’ll buy insurance when I get old or sick, and save money!!!

Excellent! Because certainly no one young and healthy was ever, say, hit by a car.

/

92 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:40:59am

re: #55 HappyWarrior

I think they do need that but instead of building from Goldwater’s ashes, an even more dangerous form of conservatism. They need to realize that ultra-so con policies combined with right wing economics doesn’t work. They’d score points in my book if they told the religious right to get lost but they won’t because they love their votes and money too much to care about principles like treating women and gays like equals.

I think we are dealing with a nihilistic cult that would rather see the country burn to ashes (literally!) before trying to work with the impure ‘other’ that they define themselves as not being.

This is the sort of thing that tends to only get worked out through force of arms, imo.

I really hope I am wrong.

93 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:42:02am

re: #90 dog philosopher

re: cutting weekly hours to 30 to avoid health care mandate

you have three employees working 40 hr weeks. you cut their hours down to 30 each

now you have 30 hrs less capacity, which makes the existing employees jobs less desirable, or you hire another person to make up the time

then you have four employees working 30 instead of three working 40

- you lose in overhead per employee at least some of what you’ll save on health insurance

- your employees are more likely to go somewhere else where they can get health insurance from the job, making the salary you are paying less competetive

- your employees are forced to start working multiple part-time jobs, thus complicating their ability to concentrate on what was formally their single job working for you.

94 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:43:25am

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

I was quite young during that election cycle; I never realized it was that close in Minnesota. Damn; Mondale came within a whisker of suffering a total 50 state blowout.

I was only 11 when that election happened. I had to look up the results on Wikipedia. The only place where Mondale won resoundingly was Washington DC.

95 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:43:35am

re: #92 celticdragon

I think we are dealing with a nihilistic cult that would rather see the country burn to ashes (literally!) before trying to work with the impure ‘other’ that they define themselves as not being.

This is the sort of thing that tends to only get worked out through force of arms, imo.

I really hope I am wrong.

Or it leads to Senator Jar-Jar. Oh wait, it’s too late.
//

96 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:43:58am

re: #93 Feline Fearless Leader

- your employees are forced to start working multiple part-time jobs, thus complicating their ability to concentrate on what was formally their single job working for you.

Plus, there is a scheduling problem for people working more than one job, especially if there is the new normal of random retail hours scheduling involved.

97 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:46:07am

re: #92 celticdragon

I think we are dealing with a nihilistic cult that would rather see the country burn to ashes (literally!) before trying to work with the impure ‘other’ that they define themselves as not being.

This is the sort of thing that tends to only get worked out through force of arms, imo.

I really hope I am wrong.

I also see the teabaggers as essentially agitating for a second civil war.

They hate what America is increasingly becoming (i.e., secular and diverse) so much that they feel justified in ‘an anything goes’ approach.

For now, we have a nest of snakes in the House, and it seems likely to get worse before it gets better.

98 prairiefire  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:46:26am

Kansas is the grand experiment for far right conservatives. Check it out in 5 years, they are going to be so messed up.

99 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:46:53am

re: #96 calochortus

Plus, there is a scheduling problem for people working more than one job, especially if there is the new normal of random retail hours scheduling involved.

Right. Adding more “features” to their life is going to constrict and limit their ability to be flexible in dealing with you. Another schedule to juggle into the mix along with family, school, etc. More job commute travel to deal with. And probably as a result more stressed and less rested when working their 30 hours as a result with the attendent loss of efficiency and productivity.

100 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:47:04am

re: #92 celticdragon

I think we are dealing with a nihilistic cult that would rather see the country burn to ashes (literally!) before trying to work with the impure ‘other’ that they define themselves as not being.

This is the sort of thing that tends to only get worked out through force of arms, imo.

I really hope I am wrong.

Whenever you’re dealing with extremists, be they political, ideological, or religious, at their core they are a ‘nihilistic cult’ that would far rather see the world destroyed than have to compromise with their foes.

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:47:34am

re: #98 prairiefire

Kansas is the grand experiment for far right conservatives. Check it out in 5 years, they are going to be so messed up.

I predict they will make it flatter.
;)
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102 The Mountain That Blogs  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:50:54am

Heh.

One of the guys cited in Ted Cruz’s hissy fit as an example of Obamacare’s failures doesn’t quite agree.

103 Mattand  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:52:33am

From the original post:

This is the Republican Party in 2013 — ignorant, reactionary anti-science religious fanatics, and proud of it. Poll after poll shows that creationism is a majority view in the GOP.

LOL, every time I say this, it seems like I catch a load of shit from the conservative regulars here.

104 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:52:48am
105 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:52:53am

re: #90 dog philosopher

re: cutting weekly hours to 30 to avoid health care mandate

you have three employees working 40 hr weeks. you cut their hours down to 30 each

now you have 30 hrs less capacity, which makes the existing employees jobs less desirable, or you hire another person to make up the time

The trend I have seen in restaurants and elsewhere is to go to 20 hours a week …and no regularly defined weekly shift! You get “just in time” job scheduling where you may have minimal notice that you are expected in for work, making it impossible to schedule another job or school around your part time nightmare.
womensenews.org

then you have four employees working 30 instead of three working 40

That is why they demand increasing productivity, and just refuse to hire the extra person if they can get away with it.

- you lose in overhead per employee at least some of what you’ll save on health insurance

Possibly so, but you do keep your workforce cowed and submissive, since they know you might make things even worse…

- your employees are more likely to go somewhere else where they can get health insurance from the job, making the salary you are paying less competetive

Where would that be? As David Frum noted a couple of years ago, the American workforce has never been so supine and helpless in the last 100 years, and everybody knows it. Workers have no bargaining leverage at all. Nothing. Your boss can drag a contractor, temp (or worse, an unpaid intern!) in to replace you in a heartbeat…and 500 people are clamoring outside to get in and have your job no matter how degrading and toxic the work environment is.

106 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:55:06am

Paging Gov. Christie, your move:

Text of the decision can be found here. Expect the decision to be appealed and come before the state supreme court in short order.

107 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:55:18am

Reid Tells Republicans: ‘Get A Life’

“They need to accept what we just passed,” Reid told reporters after the Senate stripped defund Obamacare language from the spending bill and then approved the bill in final passage. “Let’s be absolutely clear: We are going to accept nothing that relates to Obamacare. There’s a time and place for everything, and this is not that time or place.”

“Obamacare has been the law for four years,” Reid added. “Why don’t they get a life and talk about something else?”

The GOP response:

Youtube Video

108 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:55:57am

re: #106 lawhawk

Paging Gov. Christie, your move:

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DAMMIT!! AND I’M OUT OF POPCORN AND ALL THE STORES ARE NOW CLOSED HERE!!

109 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:57:39am

re: #106 lawhawk

Paging Gov. Christie, your move:

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Oh, and how could I forget

MOAR WINGNUT TEARZ OF IMPOTENT RAGE, PLEAZE!!

110 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:58:42am

re: #104 Lidane

So now responsible government is a leftist plot? Got it.

111 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:58:54am

Looks like Ted Cruz is doing for the message of Green Eggs & Ham
what Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism did for conservatives’
understanding of Fascism.

112 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:59:03am

Iran unveils new drone: “World will be awestruck”

Remotely operated aircraft is ‘work of art,’ Iran says, able to carry bombs, missiles for 1,700 km - enough to hit Israel. Iran also set to unveil another aircraft reverse engineered from downed US drone

Many are awestruck that Iranian photoshoppers and model makers got a rest, it appears to be the first plausible aircraft that might be able to actually fly and stuff.
Iran unveils killer drone that may really work

After displaying a stealth fighter that was a sort of joke, obsolete missiles as they were new, fake or unrealistic UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles), Tehran may have finally unveiled something real.
….
Even if accuracy of the sensors and weapons can’t be judged from photos, what can be said is that, unlike many other project, the Shahed 129 seems at first glance to be a “tangible” platform. In other words drones seen in the first images don’t seem to be toys (still they might be so).

113 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:59:38am

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

Reminds me of that wonderful clip from “That Mitchell and Webb Look”

Link

114 erik_t  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:59:41am

re: #106 lawhawk

Paging Gov. Christie, your move:

Domino effect because teh gayz are just like communists. Duh.

115 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:00:18pm

re: #105 celticdragon

And this is why some (short sighted) business people aren’t all that eager to improve the economy. Imagine the horror of having employees who have a choice about whether to work for you or not.

116 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:00:25pm
117 jayjaybear  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:00:27pm

It could only have been better if this were the Muslim judge Christie appointed and got such flack from the Right about.

118 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:01:00pm

re: #104 Lidane

#NewGOPDemands
Replace Senate chaplain Barry Black with Bryan Fischer

119 erik_t  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:03:03pm

Ted Cruz is going to be an interesting test of my theory that GOP primary voters are too dense to vote for any candidate but the prettiest.

I’m glad he showed up, since I don’t think Christie is even going to run.

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:03:56pm

re: #107 Kragar

Reid Tells Republicans: ‘Get A Life’

The GOP response:

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I thought the GOP response would be “BENGHAZI!”

121 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:04:50pm

Just remember, that notorious mass merchandiser and communist, Henry Ford, thought that paying his workers a decent wage made sense - giving them the ability to buy the very products they were making.

The current crop of TP/GOPExtortionists think that providing health benefits and wages that make the workers more likely to be able to consume the products they make (and spread the wealth by consuming other products and adding to the tax base) is communism.

122 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:05:01pm

re: #113 Egregious Philbin

Reminds me of that wonderful clip from “That Mitchell and Webb Look”

Link

“It’s probably just some random mutation in the watermelon’s genetics - OH WAIT! NOT THAT!”

LOLOL

123 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:05:18pm

So Alex Jones is using news about Fukushima leaks to sell iodine placebos to morons.

124 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:05:38pm

re: #120 Feline Fearless Leader

I thought the GOP response would be “BENGHAZI!”

They have nowhere else to go but BENGHAZI

125 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:06:31pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Iran unveils new drone: “World will be awestruck”

Many are awestruck that Iranian photoshoppers and model makers got a rest, it appears to be the first plausible aircraft that might be able to actually fly and stuff.
Iran unveils killer drone that may really work

Low and slow prop-puller. Skeet target for AAA and F16s.

126 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:07:14pm

re: #123 Kragar

So Alex Jones is using news about Fukushima leaks to sell iodine placebos to morons.

In other news, the Sun rises in the east and scientists have conclusively proved that water is indeed wet.

127 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:08:04pm

re: #121 lawhawk

Just remember, that notorious mass merchandiser and communist, Henry Ford, thought that paying his workers a decent wage made sense - giving them the ability to buy the very products they were making.

The current crop of TP/GOPExtortionists think that providing health benefits and wages that make the workers more likely to be able to consume the products they make (and spread the wealth by consuming other products and adding to the tax base) is communism.

Well, Ford pushed it as a way to create a ready market for his products, by allowing the very men who built them to purchase them. But really it just made good budgetary sense for the company: Well-paid, happy workers are less likely to go looking for other work and so turnover is low and the cost of training is low.

128 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:09:52pm

re: #121 lawhawk

Just remember, that notorious mass merchandiser and communist, Henry Ford, thought that paying his workers a decent wage made sense - giving them the ability to buy the very products they were making.

The current crop of TP/GOPExtortionists think that providing health benefits and wages that make the workers more likely to be able to consume the products they make (and spread the wealth by consuming other products and adding to the tax base) is communism.

I was horrified while listening to some people I had just met disparage low wage workers who were demonstrating for better pay at fast food and retail outlets.

The group attitude seemed to be that if you are a loser working in retail or fast food, you should be fellating the boss just for giving you any money at all since you are such a pathetic loser. Natch, most of them were dead set against any sort of minimum wage at all, since hourly workers actually need to be punished and not rewarded for being such drains on the rest of America.

129 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:11:19pm

re: #128 celticdragon

I was horrified while listening to some people I had just met disparage low wage workers who were demonstrating for better pay at fast food and retail outlets.

The group attitude seemed to be that if you are a loser working in retail or fast food, you should be fellating the boss just for giving you any money at all since you are such a pathetic loser. Natch, most of them were dead set against any sort of minimum wage at all, since hourly workers actually need to be punished and not rewarded for being such drains on the rest of America.

Stealing jobs from their teenage offspring.
/

130 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:11:51pm

re: #125 Decatur Deb

Low and slow prop-puller. Skeet target for AAA and F16s.

Probably. It’s certainly big enough to be picked up on radar.

131 erik_t  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:12:35pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

Well, Ford pushed it as a way to create a ready market for his products, by allowing the very men who built them to purchase them. But really it just made good budgetary sense for the company: Well-paid, happy workers are less likely to go looking for other work and so turnover is low and the cost of training is low.

That’s the most frustrating thing. A completely amoral robot would make better and more decent decisions than the current crop of dead-enders, because a lot of the nice and ethical actions are the smart business decisions, even in a hard vacuum.

132 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:13:23pm

re: #129 Feline Fearless Leader

Stealing jobs from their teenage offspring.
/

Somebody actually said that. No kidding.

133 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:13:55pm
134 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:14:24pm

re: #133 Lidane

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Cruz to House GOP: “Take the bullet for me!”

135 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:14:42pm

re: #132 celticdragon

Somebody actually said that. No kidding.

Makes you wish sometimes there were shots for actually getting people to develop some empathy.

136 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:14:49pm

Senate Sends Shutdown Fight Back To House GOP

The Senate passed legislation on Friday afternoon to avert a shutdown of the federal government before the fiscal year deadline, set to hit on Monday at midnight. But the battle is far from over as House Republicans are angling to reject it.

The final vote was 54 to 44 on party lines. Republicans unanimously opposed it because it didn’t defund Obamacare, the cause that has animated the party base for months. Sens. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) and Orrin Hatch (R-UT) did not vote.

Tensions are rising as the continuing resolution now ping-pongs back to the House, which Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) has said would not accept it. “I do not see that happening,” he told reporters Thursday after a GOP conference meeting.

But his next move is a complete mystery and will determine whether or not many federal services can keep their doors open come Oct. 1. Boehner could always reverse course at the last minute and swallow the Senate bill. Or he could take up a one-week stopgap bill to delay the fight. GOP leadership aides were mum on how they would react.

137 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:16:05pm

re: #132 celticdragon

What a bunch of self-centered sociopaths they are.

Seriously, the Republican Party is getting to the point where 90-95% of the members of it are certifiable. Whether that be insane, sociopathic, psychopathic, or various personality disorders.

138 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:16:38pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Probably. It’s certainly big enough to be picked up on radar.

Strange that someone who has access to suicide bombers and human mine-stompers would even want to invest in drone development. Something like the Baka is more that style.

en.wikipedia.org

139 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:17:16pm
140 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:18:19pm
The new standards, like the ones they replaced, reflect the mainstream scientific view that evolution is well-established. Most board members believed the guidelines will improve science education by shifting the emphasis in science classes to doing hands-on projects and experiments.

Experiments and projects such as…..turning water in to wine.

141 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:19:36pm

re: #135 Feline Fearless Leader

Makes you wish sometimes there were shots for actually getting people to develop some empathy.

You know the conversation is going to some really fucked up places when a couple of people start out by declaring “I am to the right of Attilla the Hun and Rush Limbaugh”.

142 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:19:51pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Strange that someone who has access to suicide bombers and human mine-stompers would even want to invest in drone development. Something like the Baka is more that style.

en.wikipedia.org

Could have a couple of reasons:
1. Developed domestic production of advanced weapons makes you not dependent of US/Europe/Russia.
2. You potentially become an exporter yourself.
3. “Human wave” tactics are pretty local - can’t really project that far without the logistics to get the troops there and keep them minimally supported.
4. “Human wave” tactics might not be very popular among the populace after a bit, especially for an external conflict.

143 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:23:02pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Strange that someone who has access to suicide bombers and human mine-stompers would even want to invest in drone development. Something like the Baka is more that style.

en.wikipedia.org

Even thought this plane is real, it’s still a lot like their photoshop projects. It’s mostly for domestic propaganda. Even if the drone does work it doesn’t have much of a military or strategic purpose. They’re just imitating existing technologies just to show their people a modern weapon system.

144 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:24:13pm

re: #125 Decatur Deb

And not all that much different in basic design from our own Reapers. Figure top speed of around 250-300mph, range of 600m+, and potential ability to carry small diameter missile/bombs from multiple hard points.

Considering that the US may have lost several UAVs over Iran and Iran claimed to have captured one or more, they could have gained enough knowledge about the aircraft design to design their own version.

145 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:24:14pm

re: #137 ProTARDISLiberal

What a bunch of self-centered sociopaths they are.

Seriously, the Republican Party is getting to the point where 90-95% of the members of it are certifiable. Whether that be insane, sociopathic, psychopathic, or various personality disorders.

The funny thing is that only one person in the group would really have stood out as upper middle class or higher…since he was an OB/GYN.

The others were lower 50% types who talked a lot of shit about how worthless everybody else was.

It is a continuation of how the upper class in the South used to wink and nod at white cracker farmers and tell them that at least they weren’t black…

Gin up outrage over how somebody else is supposedly getting one over on you is a fantastic tactic to keep the proles fighting each other.

146 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:24:20pm

re: #136 Kragar

Leadership. /

147 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:26:42pm

re: #145 celticdragon

The funny thing is that only one person in the group would really have stood out as upper middle class or higher…since he was an OB/GYN.

The others were lower 50% types who talked a lot of shit about how worthless everybody else was.

It is a continuation of how the upper class in the South used to wink at nod at white cracker farmers and tell them that at least they weren’t black…

Gin up outrage over how somebody else is supposedly getting one over on you is a fantastic tactic to keep the proles fighting each other.

“They want your cookie.”

Strategy has not been failing for them yet, so why should they feel they have to stop using it?

148 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:31:31pm

re: #145 celticdragon

The funny thing is that only one person in the group would really have stood out as upper middle class or higher…since he was an OB/GYN.

The others were lower 50% types who talked a lot of shit about how worthless everybody else was.

It is a continuation of how the upper class in the South used to wink and nod at white cracker farmers and tell them that at least they weren’t black…

Gin up outrage over how somebody else is supposedly getting one over on you is a fantastic tactic to keep the proles fighting each other.

That pattern is playing out in a big way over public sector union/pension issues. The trick of saying ‘how dare these public sector leeches have unions and pensions that you don’t have’ really is working entirely too well.

149 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:32:48pm

re: #148 EPR-radar

That pattern is playing out in a big way over public sector union/pension issues. The trick of saying ‘how dare these public sector leeches have unions and pensions that you don’t have’ really is working entirely too well.

It’s just the logical progression of the cry made in the 70s and ramped up in 80s and 90s when Reagan engaged in union-busting: “They’ve got better pay and benefits than you, why are they worth more than you!?

150 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:33:06pm

re: #147 Feline Fearless Leader

For example:

151 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:33:14pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Strange that someone who has access to suicide bombers and human mine-stompers would even want to invest in drone development. Something like the Baka is more that style.

en.wikipedia.org

Speaking of suicide bombers, remember the whole White Widow thing that was brought up WRT to the attack in Nairobi? A case of mistaken identity—the Muslim woman in question was actually another good Samaritan busy helping save people, not a terrorist. Starts around 01:15.

Youtube Video

152 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:34:55pm
153 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:36:19pm

re: #148 EPR-radar

That pattern is playing out in a big way over public sector union/pension issues. The trick of saying ‘how dare these public sector leeches have unions and pensions that you don’t have’ really is working entirely too well.

Exactly.

This is also why dems are dead set against means testing medicare and Social Security.

In a world where reason actually mattered, means testing would be perfectly acceptable…but in Randroid America, the moment you make a program accessible to primarily lower income people it’s MOOCHERS IS TAKING OWER MUNNEY!!!!

Means testing will almost certainly end up in concerted efforts by the GOP to kill both programs off once and for all (40 year old Eddie Munster has been hard at work on this already), and therefore the only way to make sure that the poor can get benefits is to let the rich take their cut.

154 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:38:02pm

Well, I just got called by a scammer.

“Yes, you’ve been chosen to be awarded a grant by the US Government. Your number was chosen based on your demographics. We just need to verify your information.”

“So which Dept of the Government do you work for?”

“The Dept of Grants.”

“So what labor, interior, how does this program work with the sequestration going on?”

“We just need to verify your information.”

“Sure you do.”

“So according to our info you live in Santa Ana.”

“I’ve never lived in Santa Ana at any time in my entire life.”

“So where do you live?”

“Sorry, I don’t trust you. Can you provide me with a website so I can read up on your program?”

“Fuck you.” CLICK

155 Mattand  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:38:39pm

re: #151 CuriousLurker

Speaking of suicide bombers, remember the whole White Widow thing that was brought up WRT to the attack in Nairobi? A case of mistaken identity—the Muslim woman in question was actually another good Samaritan busy helping save people, not a terrorist. Starts around 01:15.

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KT is going to be so upset when he hears this.

156 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:39:08pm

re: #154 Kragar

Scammers sure are getting rude these days.

157 Mike Lamb  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:39:13pm

Why do I come here on a Friday? The DERP is so aggravating…there are sooooo many other places I could visit that would allow me bide my time until 5:30 that don’t aggravate me….and yet I can’t quit you.

158 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:41:19pm

re: #157 Mike Lamb

Why do I come here on a Friday? The DERP is so aggravating…there are sooooo many other places I could visit that would allow me bide my time until 5:30 that don’t aggravate me….and yet I can’t quit you.

There are subliminal messages on the site that influence viewers to spend hours on at a time, which can only be seen by a special pair of sunglasses.

//

159 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:41:38pm


So the GOP should stop negotiating with Cruz and Boehner?

160 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:42:24pm

POTUS speaking now.

161 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:42:39pm

re: #151 CuriousLurker

Speaking of suicide bombers, remember the whole White Widow thing that was brought up WRT to the attack in Nairobi? A case of mistaken identity—the Muslim woman in question was actually another good Samaritan busy helping save people, not a terrorist. Starts around 01:15.

[Embedded content]

All look alike to Fox News.

162 Mattand  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:42:44pm

re: #157 Mike Lamb

Why do I come here on a Friday? The DERP is so aggravating…there are sooooo many other places I could visit that would allow me bide my time until 5:30 that don’t aggravate me….and yet I can’t quit you.

re: #158 Targetpractice

There are subliminal messages on the site that influence viewers to spend hours on at a time, which can only be seen by a special pair of sunglasses.

//

“I’m here to troll LGF and chew gum. And I’m all out of gum.”

163 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:43:11pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

All look alike to Fox News.

You mean the women who work for them??
/

164 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:44:36pm

re: #163 celticdragon

You mean the women who work for them??
/

Them, too.

165 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:44:52pm

re: #153 celticdragon

I thought it was supposed to be more blessed to give than to receive? Or is that one of those sayings of Jesus that was taken out of context when reported in the bible?

166 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:44:58pm

Cue splody heads:

167 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:45:17pm

re: #162 Mattand

“I’m here to troll LGF and chew gum. And I’m all out of gum.”

Upding for the “They Live” reference.

168 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:45:46pm

re: #155 Mattand

KT is going to be so upset when he hears this.

Yeah, but what are the odds many people will actually hear about it?
Not News.

169 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:46:05pm

re: #166 lawhawk

Cue splody heads:

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Quietly solving shit while the loyal opposition bays at the moon.

170 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:46:13pm

re: #165 calochortus

I thought it was supposed to be more blessed to give than to receive? Or is that one of those sayings of Jesus that was taken out of context when reported in the bible?

That was long haired hippy Looter Jesus. He was replaced by Brookes Brothers wearing Supply Side Jesus.

171 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:46:14pm

re: #166 lawhawk

Cue splody heads:

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PROOF HE HATES AMERICA!
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172 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:46:17pm

POTUS Live stream:
whitehouse.gov

173 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:47:18pm

re: #166 lawhawk

Cue splody heads:

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My flask of WINGNUT TEARZ is being refilled quite nicely today.

174 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:47:33pm

re: #166 lawhawk

But he won’t talk to Cruz & GOP!!1111ventye

175 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:47:46pm

re: #170 celticdragon

That was long haired hippy Looter Jesus. He was replaced by Brookes Brothers wearing Supply Side Jesus.

You’d think the Bible would have been edited to reflect that.

176 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:48:31pm

re: #175 calochortus

Libtard elitists, man. /

177 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:48:45pm

re: #175 calochortus

You’d think the Bible would have been edited to reflect that.

Bryan Fischer and David Barton are working on that.

178 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:48:54pm

Wheee power outage.

179 erik_t  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:49:23pm

re: #173 Dr Lizardo

My flask of WINGNUT TEARZ is being refilled quite nicely today.

I’ve been chugging Haterade, personally. It’s got what plants crave.

180 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:49:29pm

re: #175 calochortus

You’d think the Bible would have been edited to reflect that.

Funny you should say that…

181 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:49:56pm

re: #155 Mattand

KT is going to be so upset when he hears this.

Doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Kenya requesting the Interpol arrest warrant for the white widow is a strong indicator her body wasn’t found in the mall. It’s entirely possible she wasn’t there at all. My disappointment is that she’s still alive and active in planning, training and fundraising for future terror attacks. I hope that changes.

182 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:50:15pm

re: #175 calochortus

You’d think the Bible would have been edited to reflect that.

I made a start in a page comment:

Original:

Blessed are you…
…who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.
…who hunger now, for you will be satisfied.
…you who weep now, for you will laugh.
…when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of man.

Woe to you…:
…who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.
…who are well fed now, for you will go hungry.
…who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep.
…when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.

Wingnut version:

Blessed are you…
…who are rich, for yours is the kingdom of God.
…who are well fed now, for you have earned it.
…you who laugh now, for others really are inferior.
…when everyone speaks well of you, because good PR can be bought.

Woe to you…:
…who are poor, for you are thereby unworthy.
…who hunger now, because you haven’t labored sufficiently.
…who weep now, for you are still unworthy.
…when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because bad PR can also be bought.

183 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:50:23pm

re: #179 erik_t

I’ve been chugging Haterade, personally. It’s got what plants crave.

LOLOL

184 bratwurst  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:50:26pm
185 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:51:29pm

re: #184 bratwurst

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Winning.

186 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:52:05pm

re: #184 bratwurst

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Iran actually has some notion of internal consistency.

187 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:52:07pm

re: #184 bratwurst

Obama basically saying its easier to negotiate with Iran than with GOP.

Well, it is the truth, after all.

188 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:52:48pm

re: #184 bratwurst

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One is a group of theocrats dedicated to destroying America, the other are Persians.

189 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:52:50pm

BBL

190 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:52:51pm
191 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:53:08pm

re: #184 bratwurst

Of course it is easier to negotiate with Iran than with the GOP. Iran has never made a negotiating demand of unconditional military surrender of the US to Iran.

192 Mattand  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:53:48pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

Doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Kenya requesting the Interpol arrest warrant for the white widow is a strong indicator her body wasn’t found in the mall. It’s entirely possible she wasn’t there at all. My disappointment is that she’s still alive and active in planning, training and fundraising for future terror attacks. I hope that changes.

Kinda like how everyone was on the lookout for the 2nd gunman after the DC Navy Yard shootings.

193 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:53:50pm

re: #180 celticdragon

Good God. How is that NOT The Onion?

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard from right wingers yet and that’s really, REALLY saying something!

194 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:54:22pm

“Raising the debt is not a concession to me.”

Needs to be repeated again and again.

195 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:54:47pm

Obama is speaking about the shutdown..
I want my Obamacare!
Obama doesn’t look the least intimidated by the GOP.
The GOP wants to wreck America’s future so they can take over power and take us back to the 60’s. Guess what GOP? It’s 2013 you effen assholes.
Look ahead not back. This isn’t the 60’s.

196 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:55:06pm

re: #193 Eclectic Cyborg

Good God. How is that NOT The Onion?

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard from right wingers yet and that’s really, REALLY saying something!

There really is too much liberal hippie crap in the Bible, from a wingnut point of view. Not surprising at all that they would want to edit accordingly.

197 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:55:18pm

re: #188 Kragar

One is a group of humorless, ruthless theocrats dedicated to destroying America’s traditions, history, the rule of law and the entire Western Reformation, the other are Persians.

A little added flavor.

198 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:55:53pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

“Raising the debt is not a concession to me.”

Needs to be repeated again and again.

Raising debt ceiling is to pay for all Obummer’s reckless spending!!!1111l3levnty !1

199 Gus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:56:00pm
200 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:56:46pm
201 Gus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:57:00pm

Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans…

Yawn. I’m out.

202 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:57:37pm

re: #196 EPR-radar

There really is too much liberal hippie crap in the Bible, from a wingnut point of view. Not surprising at all that they would want to edit accordingly.

Point 7 of the wing nut bible revisionist manifesto really is a hoot: “7. Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning”

203 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:57:42pm

re: #193 Eclectic Cyborg

Good God. How is that NOT The Onion?

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard from right wingers yet and that’s really, REALLY saying something!

You know that something has gone badly amiss when your inerrant Biblical passages have to be rewritten to fit your winner-take-all, predatory Ayn Randist market philosophy…

204 Mattand  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:58:48pm

re: #203 celticdragon

You know that something has gone badly amiss when your inerrant Biblical passages have to be rewritten to fit your winner-take-all, predatory Ayn Randist market philosophy…

I wish I could upding this into infinity.

205 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:59:07pm

Shorter Obama to the GOP:

Image: enumerate.jpg

206 erik_t  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:00:43pm

re: #199 Gus

@farazsanei
More than a quarter of the 400+ prisoners executed in #Iran so far this year were hanged after President Rouhani’s June 14 electoral victory

So the execution rate went down after he won, from about 50/mo to about 30/mo.

That’s good, right?

207 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:00:45pm

Pet Cemetery found at Hotel that inspired the Shining

One fucked up horror movie, coming up!

208 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:01:06pm

re: #202 EPR-radar

But teh Juice and Romans rejected Jesus’ free market principles and killed him just like soshulists persecute Christians today. //

209 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:01:09pm

Well, I just got called by a recruiter for a security company in Los Angeles. Fingers crossed.

210 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:02:19pm
211 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:02:57pm

re: #192 Mattand

Kinda like how everyone was on the lookout for the 2nd gunman after the DC Navy Yard shootings.

False reports in situations like this are very common. The witnesses claiming women among the attackers may have been men in burkas (easier to smuggle large weapons into the mall) or may have just been false. We’ll know more eventually. It’s going to take a while, wintess testimonies can be misleading and the Kenyan government is a mess with contradictory and false statements. I think the mall siege lasted 4 days past the first announcement from the government that all the hostages were freed.
Also, according to reports this morning, government forces were responsible for the collapse by firing RPG’s indoors. They should put a warning label on those things “Not for indoor use”.

212 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:03:37pm

re: #203 celticdragon

You know that something has gone badly amiss when your inerrant Biblical passages have to be rewritten to fit your winner-take-all, predatory Ayn Randist market philosophy…

Reconciliation of Christianity with Ayn Rand’s world view is not for the faint hearted.

Bold intellectuals are needed, who view complete inconsistency and contradiction as an opportunity rather than as a show stopper. ///

213 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:04:15pm

re: #212 EPR-radar

Reconciliation of Christianity with Ayn Rand’s world view is not for the faint hearted.

Bold intellectuals are needed, who view complete inconsistency and contradiction as an opportunity rather than as a show stopper. ///

Jonah Goldberg: “Challenge accepted!”

214 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:04:34pm

Is this the beginning of Obama’s Nixon/China moment? It rather reminds me of that fantastically successful outreach though obviously on a much smaller and less dramatic scale (so far anyway).
It’s worth noting that before Nixon’s visit China was every bit as hostile as Iran is now, even more isolated, and incomparably stronger as a potential adversary. The opening of China decisively altered the balance of power in the Cold War. I think it might rank as the greatest diplomatic coup of the twentieth century.

215 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:04:47pm

re: #207 Eclectic Cyborg

Pet Cemetery found at Hotel that inspired the Shining

One fucked up horror movie, coming up!

Yes, but what about the one that inspired Pet Semetary?

216 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:07:26pm

re: #213 Lidane

Jonah Goldberg: “Challenge accepted!”

I read that nonsensical twaddle he wrote, “Liberal Fascism”. Yeech.

I can’t help but wonder if Goldberg got the basic idea from Zeev Sternhell’s “Neither Left Nor Right: Fascist ideology In France” and then ran with it to suit his own ideological biases.

217 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:07:48pm

re: #115 calochortus

And this is why some (short sighted) business people aren’t all that eager to improve the economy. Imagine the horror of having employees who have a choice about whether to work for you or not.

I do wish I had more than one upding to give!

218 Mattand  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:08:09pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

False reports in situations like this are very common. The witnesses claiming women among the attackers may have been men in burkas (easier to smuggle large weapons into the mall) or may have just been false. We’ll know more eventually. It’s going to take a while, wintess testimonies can be misleading and the Kenyan government is a mess with contradictory and false statements. I think the mall siege lasted 4 days past the first announcement from the government that all the hostages were freed.
Also, according to reports this morning, government forces were responsible for the collapse by firing RPG’s indoors. They should put a warning label on those things “Not for indoor use”.

I’ll stick with CL’s post. Seems more likely than DEADLY WHITE WIDOW BOMBS MALL AND STILL AT LARGE!!!!11TY!!!!

219 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:08:30pm

re: #180 celticdragon

Funny you should say that…

I think that has kind of petered out (so to speak) You’d think it could be done divinely at a single stroke.

220 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:08:40pm
221 Skip Intro  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:08:56pm

re: #92 celticdragon

I think we are dealing with a nihilistic cult that would rather see the country burn to ashes (literally!) before trying to work with the impure ‘other’ that they define themselves as not being.

This is the sort of thing that tends to only get worked out through force of arms, imo.

I really hope I am wrong.

I’m afraid you’re right.

littlegreenfootballs.com

222 Mattand  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:09:18pm

re: #215 Targetpractice

Yes, but what about the one that inspired Pet Semetary?

It was actually based on a dumpster in back of the Bangor Jack-in-the-Box.

223 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:09:37pm

re: #217 Dancing along the light of day

I do wish I had more than one upding to give!

Hey, long time no see! How’ve you been?

224 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:09:54pm

re: #220 Lidane

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Says a lot about your party, eh Gary????

225 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:10:13pm

re: #217 Dancing along the light of day

I do wish I had more than one upding to give!

FG!
Yay!

226 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:10:26pm

re: #220 Lidane

Derp

227 Carlos Danger  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:10:44pm

re: #201 Gus

Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans, Republicans…

Yawn. I’m out.

Steve Ballmer, is that you?

228 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:11:02pm

re: #220 Lidane

Probably a better chance of a useful outcome.

229 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:11:08pm

re: #224 Varek Raith

Says a lot about your party, eh Gary????

Compromise is for p8ssys and why won’t Obomo negotiate with republicans?

230 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:11:12pm

re: #220 Lidane

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Maybe because the President of Iran is more reasonable?

231 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:11:14pm

re: #222 Mattand

It was actually based on a dumpster in back of the Bangor Jack-in-the-Box.

Oh no, you did NOT say that! *takes off shoe…*

232 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:11:19pm

re: #223 CuriousLurker

Hey, long time no see! How’ve you been?

I’m difficult, as always! Missed you too!
*smooch*

233 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:11:48pm
234 Carlos Danger  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:11:52pm

“All life is a blur of Republicans and Meat”

235 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:11:53pm

re: #220 Lidane

[Embedded content]

The President of Iran is not declaring “Give us what we want OR ELSE!”

236 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:12:24pm

Glenn Beck to Ted Cruz: ‘John Cornyn, piece of crap or what?’

Beck went after Cruz’s Republican colleague from Texas, Sen. John Cornyn, who has declined to support Cruz’s scheme of shutting down the government to stop Obamacare, saying, “Now let me ask you this: John Cornyn, piece of crap or what?”

Cruz chuckled and backed away from the remark quickly.

237 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:12:33pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

And if the GOP would like to point to something that PBO has given up to Iran in this ‘negotiation’ we’d love to hear about it.

238 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:12:53pm

re: #214 Shiplord Kirel

Is this the beginning of Obama’s Nixon/China moment? It rather reminds me of that fantastically successful outreach though obviously on a much smaller and less dramatic scale (so far anyway).
It’s worth noting that before Nixon’s visit China was every bit as hostile as Iran is now, even more isolated, and incomparably stronger as a potential adversary. The opening of China decisively altered the balance of power in the Cold War. I think it might rank as the greatest diplomatic coup of the twentieth century.

It’s possible but I think that mostly depends on the Iranians. They’ve gone through a lot of trouble and endured a lot of pain from trying to keep the international community in the dark about their nuclear ambitions. They might have had a serious change of heart or they might just be trying to loosen sanctions enough to pay the Russians for the 3 new reactors they want to build. Even if they allow inspectors into the country for a year or two they could still just throw them out and go back to business as usual. Anything could happen.

239 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:13:17pm

re: #225 Varek Raith

FG!
Yay!

Seconded. FG was one of the first lizards to welcome me when I registered here. I was completely enchanted by her nic.

240 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:14:04pm

re: #236 Kragar

Glenn Beck to Ted Cruz: ‘John Cornyn, piece of crap or what?’

Subtle, Glenn…subtle. The fact that Cruz went on his show says all you need to know about him.

241 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:14:17pm

The GOP is not looking for “negotiations,” they’re looking for Obama to give into their demands or their light the fuse on their bomb vest.

242 Mattand  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:14:19pm

re: #231 CuriousLurker

Oh no, you did NOT say that! *takes off shoe…*

Gah??

243 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:14:23pm

re: #237 Bulworth

And if the GOP would like to point to something that PBO has given up to Iran in this ‘negotiation’ we’d love to hear about it.

Well they’d certainly like to. Whether they can do so (without lying about it) is another question.

244 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:14:37pm

re: #220 Lidane

Wasn’t he in the movies?
Image: totalrecall.png

245 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:14:39pm

re: #232 Dancing along the light of day

I’m difficult, as always! Missed you too!
*smooch*

*smooch* right back atcha. ;)

246 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:14:50pm

re: #236 Kragar

Glenn Beck to Ted Cruz: ‘John Cornyn, piece of crap or what?’

Cornyn has been getting beaten like a red-headed stepchild on his FB page all day. It’s hilarious. And you could see it happen in real time. The comments went from cheering him on to vote no on cloture to immediately threatening him with recall and/or a primary in 2014 and calling him a RINO and a filthy traitor commie Obama lover from one minute to the next.

247 sagehen  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:14:59pm

re: #203 celticdragon

You know that something has gone badly amiss when your inerrant Biblical passages have to be rewritten to fit your winner-take-all, predatory Ayn Randist market philosophy…

They’re also rewriting to bring scripture more in line with their SoCon position:

Exodus 21:22 makes very *very* clear, in the most explicit terms, that a fetus is not a person. That killing a fetus is not murder. The 1995 translation that Evangelicals use completely changed that passage.

248 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:15:16pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

The GOP is not looking for “negotiations,” they’re looking for Obama to give into their demands or their light the fuse on their bomb vest.

And then blame him for the explosion.

249 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:15:47pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

The GOP is not looking for “negotiations,” they’re looking for Obama to give into their demands or their light the fuse on their bomb vest.

Obama never outright called the House GOP terrorists, but he sure as hell danced around it by saying he wouldn’t negotiate with people who want to burn the house down in order to save it.

251 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:15:58pm

re: #248 calochortus

And then blame him for the explosion.

“Look what you made us do!!”

252 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:16:04pm

CNN: Screw the facts, we’ll just go full metal Blutarsky (from their front page lede, and then repeated in the text body):

Now it’s GOP vs. GOP
The Senate passed and sent to the House a short-term spending plan that would prevent a looming government shutdown over an attempted filibuster by Sen. Ted Cruz.

Someone pass CNN the definition of filibuster, because what Cruz did wasn’t it. Cruz was grandstanding and preparing a draft video for his 2016 campaign. It was not, however, a filibuster.

He didn’t block action. He didn’t delay action. Both are key elements of a filibuster.

However, he simply revealed for all that cared that he: 1) (like the rest of the GOP) doesn’t understand Dr. Seuss; 2) made stuff up about person specifically named as not liking Obamacare; and 3) doesn’t understand parliamentary procedure to know that he didn’t deny/delay/block any action by the Senate.

He was granted the time to yammer on and remove all doubt as to his lack of knowledge about Obamacare, economics, and Dr. Seuss.

253 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:16:06pm
254 bratwurst  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:16:16pm

There can be little question that the things that made the previous Iranian president so despicable haven’t changed much (if at all) with new leadership.

Having said that, do you think life for Jews, Muslims, homosexuals and other minorities was a garden party in the USSR when Kennedy met Khrushchev in 1961? How about when Nixon met with Brezhnev in 1972? Or 1973? Had the USSR suddenly become an acceptable observer of human rights by the time St. Reagan sat down with Gorbachev in 1986?

255 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:17:58pm

Separation of church and state.

Again, how does that work?

256 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:18:02pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

The GOP is not looking for “negotiations,” they’re looking for Obama to give into their demands or their light the fuse on their bomb vest.

And if it works, the GOP will create a continuous crisis (e.g., by only raising the debt ceiling enough to push the deadline out another few weeks) and come back with more demands.

Nothing short of the simultaneous resignation of Obama and Biden, combined with repeal of Obamacare, would satisfy the GOP goon squad in the House.

257 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:18:41pm

#NewGOPDemand
British must abolish their National Health Service as it has been a bad influence on the Soshulists here in Amercia.

258 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:19:05pm

re: #255 Justanotherhuman

Separation of church and state.

Again, how does that work?

First, you have to realize demons took over some people…
/

259 Carlos Danger  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:19:47pm

re: #214 Shiplord Kirel

Is this the beginning of Obama’s Nixon/China moment? It rather reminds me of that fantastically successful outreach though obviously on a much smaller and less dramatic scale (so far anyway).

Nothing that dramatic, I think. I think it’s more along the lines of the rapprochement with Vietnam that began under H.W. Bush and concluded under Clinton. Interestingly enough, Dole campaigned against that.

260 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:19:54pm

It’s kind of funny to watch the entirely predictable reactions some people are having to the phone call with the Iranian president.

261 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:19:59pm

re: #220 Lidane

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Hey Gary…One of Obama’s jobs is to run foreign policy as he sees fit as the leader of the free world. Domestically his vision is to keep the radical right and left in check. Remember he is the middle class president trying to lift the poor to middle class status. I think the rich are doing just fine even after they gambled all our money away in 2007-08.
He doesn’t have to kiss your ass.. Go back and read the Constitution pal.

262 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:22:00pm

re: #239 CuriousLurker

Blushes while scuffing her toes.

263 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:22:04pm

re: #260 klys

It’s kind of funny to watch the entirely predictable reactions some people are having to the phone call with the Iranian president.

Their reactions would be predictable no matter who Obama phoned…

264 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:22:10pm
265 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:22:49pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

Can I get a frog update?
Pretty please?

266 Mike Lamb  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:23:02pm

re: #264 darthstar

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That’s a sweet looking bong.

267 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:23:04pm

Ten points to Gryffindor!

268 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:23:13pm
269 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:23:19pm

re: #266 Mike Lamb

That’s a sweet looking bong.

My first thought.

270 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:23:38pm

re: #255 Justanotherhuman

I’m kinda glad I’ve been busy taking care of my dog and putting the garden to bed for the season so I haven’t had the time to listen to much that’s going on. Honest to god, I can’t even understand why parents all over Kansas aren’t just hopping mad and pissed off and showing up in droves outside the State Board of Education to demand an end to this shit. Because when these kids graduate high school they are not going to be ready for college or any decent job. If these assholes want their kids in religious schools, there is no shortage of church based schools. If not, why don’t they lobby their own churches to start schools? You want your kid to be an undereducated doofus, ok then, but DO NOT screw up my kid’s education while you do that. I am so sick of these dipshits.

271 Carlos Danger  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:23:54pm

re: #263 Sol Berdinowitz

Their reactions would be predictable no matter who Obama phoned…

This needs to be a meme.

Hello, can I order a pizza?

Y U LIKE PIZZA MORE THAN CONGRESS

272 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:24:09pm

re: #264 darthstar

Buckbeak, is that you?

273 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:25:01pm
274 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:25:09pm

re: #265 Dancing along the light of day

Can I get a frog update?
Pretty please?

Crunchy.

275 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:25:47pm

re: #262 Dancing along the light of day

Blushes while scuffing her toes.

I was also sure that—having dared to venture into the belly of the beast and announce I was Muslim—I’d quickly be devoured by you guys. Your kindness convinced me that I might just be able to survive (and maybe even prosper) here. ;o)

276 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:26:06pm

re: #273 Eclectic Cyborg

Page that one!

277 sagehen  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:27:14pm
278 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:27:44pm

re: #266 Mike Lamb

That’s a sweet looking bong.

Well that explains what it is…

279 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:29:53pm

re: #275 CuriousLurker

Meh, your considerate thoughts are (almost) always appreciated!

280 sagehen  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:30:02pm
281 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:30:21pm

re: #278 calochortus

Well that explains what it is…

A lot nicer than my vaporizer.

282 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:31:23pm
283 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:32:55pm

re: #265 Dancing along the light of day

Can I get a frog update?
Pretty please?

I had a good crop of frogs this year. Early ones left the water in June and the late bloomers started walking around in late August. Now that the rain has started they’re talking again, chatting as they spread out looking for food. It’s always nice to hear them again after the quiet mid summer period. It’s also nice once they start to spread out. In late summer the frog population near the pond is so dense I’m afraid to walk around out there without stepping on the little guys. It’s nice to have my garden back.

284 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:36:33pm
285 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:36:37pm

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Excellent! We had a good crop of frogs from our tiny pond this year too. They seem to have mostly dispersed, but we see them around and even hear a little croaking now and then. Once our rains start we will find out if it was a mistake to locate the pond near our bedroom window. It could be a bit loud out there.

286 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:37:19pm

re: #282 darthstar

If President Obama scored some diplomatic coup with the Iranians, the Teahadis would absolutely lose their minds once and for all. The sheer cognitive dissonance would probably be equivalent to the density of a celestial object. They wouldn’t know what to do.

287 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:38:38pm

re: #286 Dr Lizardo

If President Obama scored some diplomatic coup with the Iranians, the Teahadis would absolutely lose their minds once and for all. The sheer cognitive dissonance would probably be equivalent to the density of a celestial object. They wouldn’t know what to do.

Obummer is a sekrit member of the Iranian moozlim brotherhood!!!11!1ty

288 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:39:02pm
289 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:40:40pm

Sweet, sweet wingnut tears:

290 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:41:08pm

re: #285 calochortus

Excellent! We had a good crop of frogs from our tiny pond this year too. They seem to have mostly dispersed, but we see them around and even hear a little croaking now and then. Once our rains start we will find out if it was a mistake to locate the pond near our bedroom window. It could be a bit loud out there.

My frogs are only obnoxiously loud at the height of mating season which only lasts a couple weeks. The rest of the year the adults don’t need the water and wander off. The youngsters hang out near the pond after leaving the water but they don’t make any noise. Do you know what kind of frogs you have?

291 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:41:15pm

Oh dear lord I watched my first Breaking Bad show on AMC marathon.
They just killed this chemist dude and put him in a barrel of acid. Shit! intense. Not sure I’m interested in how the other world lives..I watched Weeds for the first year cause it was so damn funny..Then it stopped being funny and got into too much druggie life for this kid.
I enjoyed watched entourage cause those kids had fun and smoked pot although I don’t endorse that life style it sure was fun to watch.

292 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:42:14pm
293 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:42:51pm

re: #289 Lidane

Ah, another troubled heart who missed the healthcare debate three years ago.

294 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:45:03pm

I have a frog update also.

Toad update, actually. < < < click here for the photo!

Talk about a bat aftertaste.

That strange looking photo you see above is a cane toad attempting to eat a bat in the Peruvian rain forest.

Fortunately for the bat, the toad was not successful. Moments after park ranger Yufani Olaya snapped this bizarre picture, the toad spat the bat out, and it eventually flew away.

Olaya told conservation biologist Phil Torres that the toad didn’t even have to work for its almost-bat-dinner.

“Out of nowhere the bat just flew directly into the mouth of the toad, which almost seemed to be sitting with its mouth wide open,” Olaya said.

If you’re wondering how a flying bat wound up in a grounded toad’s mouth, herpetologist Greg Pauly of the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County, said it is not necessarily so odd.

[…]

The bolded name is someone my brother, the batrachlogist, knows, as is the person consulted for this article:

[…]

Toads have been known to eat bats, although usually only when they happen upon one opportunistically, said Rachel Page, a researcher at the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute in Panama who wasn’t involved in the present finding. However, some toads and frogs will systematically wait outside of caves and catch bats as they emerge from the roost at night, Page wrote to LiveScience in an email. This has been seen in Australia, she said.

However, bats are not always the victims in this animal-eat-animal world certain species, like fringe-lipped bats (Trachops cirrhosus), have been known to eat toads.

“My guess is that it is much more common the other way around lots of bats will hunt frogs, going for the rustling sounds the frogs make as they move through the leaf litter, and some bats [like fringe-lipped bats] even go for the calls male frogs make to attract mates,” Page said.

[…]

295 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:45:21pm
296 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:45:28pm

re: #290 Killgore Trout

My frogs are only obnoxiously loud at the height of mating season which only lasts a couple weeks. The rest of the year the adults don’t need the water and wander off. The youngsters hang out near the pond after leaving the water but they don’t make any noise. Do you know what kind of frogs you have?

Your basic Pacific Chorus Frogs (aka Tree Frogs) Last year mating season seemed to go on for a long, long time. :)

297 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:47:14pm
298 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:47:29pm

I need an article about the chat between Obama and Rouhani to make an FB point.

299 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:48:00pm
300 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:49:30pm

Off to local Porktoberque—a fusion of stein beers, tubas, accordions, and Kansas City style pig grab. Have a stein good for half-price beer all weekend. BB Much L

301 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:49:48pm

It is absolutely insane that Iran is more willing to come to the negotiating table than the Republicans are. Who are the religiously motivated terrorists again?

302 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:50:17pm

re: #291 A Man for all Seasons

Oh dear lord I watched watched my first Breaking Bad show on AMC marathon.
They just killed this chemist dude and put him in a barrel of acid. Shit! intense. Not sure I’m interested in how the other world lives..I watched Weeds for the first year cause it was so damn funny..Then it stopped being funny and got into too much druggie life for this kid.
I enjoyed watched entourage cause those kids had fun and smoked pot although I don’t endorse that life style it sure was fun to watch.

Netflix sent me one of those “come back and we’ll give you a free month” offers and I was seriously considering it just so I could see why everyone was raving over Breaking Bad. Definitely sounds intense. O_o

303 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:53:46pm

re: #300 Decatur Deb

Off to local Porktoberque—a fusion of stein beers, tubas, accordions, and Kansas City style pig grab. Have a stein good for half-price beer all weekend. BB Much L

ZOMG, you SUCH a total infidel.* //

I love you anyway, but don’t tell my MB handlers, m’kay? ‘Cause it wold ruin my jihadi street creds. //

304 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:54:04pm

re: #276 lawhawk

Done and done.

305 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:54:44pm
306 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:55:19pm

re: #305 Lidane

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry…

307 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:55:31pm

re: #302 CuriousLurker

I got through the second or third season, forget how long the show has been running, and ultimately just decided it was more drama than I needed in my life. I liked it a lot at first, but it wore me down rather quickly.

308 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:56:12pm

re: #302 CuriousLurker

It’s heartbreaking, violent and crazy, but it’s also awesome. You won’t regret watching it. Last week’s episode had me “this close” to throwing something at the TV (OMG!). I seriously wonder if anyone is going to be alive at the end of this thing.

309 sagehen  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:56:21pm

re: #302 CuriousLurker

Netflix sent me one of those “come back and we’ll give you a free month” offers and I was seriously considering it just so I could see why everyone was raving over Breaking Bad. Definitely sounds intense. O_o

Wait until you hear reaction to Sunday’s finale to make up your mind.

310 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:57:34pm

re: #307 Bulworth

I got through the second or third season, forget how long the show has been running, and ultimately just decided it was more drama than I needed in my life. I liked it a lot at first, but it wore me down rather quickly.

Thanks. I’ve watched a season per weekend of a couple of shows, but never more than 2-3 seasons total—5 is definitely a lot.

311 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:58:30pm

re: #309 sagehen

Wait until you hear reaction to Sunday’s finale to make up your mind.

So it’s not totally over yet? I thought it was. I’ll wait then, thx!

312 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:58:38pm

Just in case you thought he was going liberal…

Christie to appeal same sex marriage ruling

“Governor Christie has always maintained that he would abide by the will of the voters on the issue of marriage equality and called for it to be on the ballot this Election Day,” Christie spokesman Michael Drewniak said in a statement. “Since the legislature refused to allow the people to decide expeditiously, we will let the Supreme Court make this constitutional determination.”

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This is how slimy, dishonest pricks like Christie operate.

313 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:59:18pm

re: #308 A Mom Anon

It’s heartbreaking, violent and crazy, but it’s also awesome. You won’t regret watching it. Last week’s episode had me “this close” to throwing something at the TV (OMG!). I seriously wonder if anyone is going to be alive at the end of this thing.

Well at least I can be sure it wouldn’t be boring, huh? Thanks.

314 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:00:15pm

Time to go do something constructive. BBL

315 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:01:08pm

re: #312 Justanotherhuman

Because SSM, as with all other political matters, cannot be decided by the public’s representatives in the state legislature, but must be decided upon by referendum. //

316 bratwurst  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:01:54pm

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

It’s Cruz! Texas senator tops GOP presidential preference poll following epic Senate stand against Obamacare funding

Even if it is not true (and considering the source, it may well not be), generating such a headline is the only goal Cruz had in pulling an all-nighter.

317 thedopefishlives  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:02:43pm

Afternoon Lizardim from the blustery and warm wild north country. A storm is a-comin’, and it’ll bring cool temperatures behind it. How go things among the lizardfolk?

318 erik_t  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:02:44pm

re: #315 Bulworth

Because SSM, as with all other political matters, cannot be decided by the public’s representatives in the state legislature, but must be decided upon by referendum. //

Except when the people approve it, in which case it must be blocked by the courts. Except when the courts decide it’s probably fine, in which case it must be banned by Congress.

319 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:02:46pm

re: #314 calochortus

Time to go do something constructive. BBL

*narrows eyes, looks around room* Wait—did she just insult us??

*unsheathes scimitar, tiptoes out door behind calochortus…*

320 sagehen  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:03:14pm

re: #312 Justanotherhuman

Just in case you thought he was going liberal…

Christie to appeal same sex marriage ruling

“Governor Christie has always maintained that he would abide by the will of the voters on the issue of marriage equality and called for it to be on the ballot this Election Day,” Christie spokesman Michael Drewniak said in a statement. “Since the legislature refused to allow the people to decide expeditiously, we will let the Supreme Court make this constitutional determination.”

Read more at politickernj.com
or sign up for a free trial of State Street Wire at politickernj.com

This is how slimy, dishonest pricks like Christie operate.

Shorter Christie: “I’m okay with it so are my constituents… but please don’t let the Iowa and South Carolina primary voters know I said that.”

321 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:03:33pm

re: #319 CuriousLurker

*narrows eyes, looks around room* Wait—did she just insult us??

*unsheathes scimitar, tiptoes out door behind calochortus…*

It’s ok, I will stay here and hang out with you guys instead of working on my problem set.

322 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:04:53pm

re: #321 klys

It’s ok, I will stay here and hang out with you guys instead of working on my problem set.

You totally just saved her hide. //

323 Mattand  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:04:55pm

Starting to get flack on FB about criticizing the GOP over threatening to torch the economy because poor people can get health care.

Substitute teacher guy I know just reamed me out because he and other part timers in their district got knocked back to 29.5 hours.

I pointed out that his employers were looking for an excuse to cut everyone’s pay and make them work harder; and that if hadn’t been the ACA, it would have been something else.

I asked him if he was cool with the GOP threatening to torch the economy in order to kill Obamacare. No repsonse on that. I also pointed out that while I dislike the mandate part, cursory Googling shows that people who previously couldn’t get coverage can now at least get their kids to a doctor.

I also pointed out that this says a lot about his employer, in that they would fuck over their employees like this.

It should be pointed out that this guy is a basically a conservative Dem, who is a substitute teacher who wants Christie to bust the unions.

EDIT: Without going into too many details, I don’t think he was the only source of med insurance for the family, based on the size of the house they live in.

324 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:05:26pm

re: #264 darthstar

[Embedded content]

oooohhh! That would go rather nicely on my coffee table!

(And no, I would not really buy stolen antiquities no matter how attractive they are. They really do belong in museums!)

325 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:06:39pm

re: #322 CuriousLurker

You totally just saved her hide. //

I am working on the scarf for my mother for Christmas. It has pretty mottled orange/yellow colors that will replace the purple/gray in this one.

326 Carlos Danger  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:06:43pm

re: #323 Mattand

Substitute teacher guy I know just reamed me out because he and other part timers in their district got knocked back to 29.5 hours.

The employer mandate was delayed for a year, which makes this even more transparent.

327 erik_t  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:07:05pm

re: #324 celticdragon

(And no, I would not really buy stolen antiquities no matter how attractive they are. They really do belong in museums!)

So do you!

(throws cd overboard)

328 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:07:39pm

re: #323 Mattand

Starting to get flack on FB about criticizing the GOP over threatening to torch the economy because poor people can get health care.

Substitute teacher guy I know just reamed me out because he and other part timers in their district got knocked back to 29.5 hours.

I pointed out that his employers were looking for an excuse to cut everyone’s pay and make them work harder; and that if hadn’t been the ACA, it would have been something else.

I asked him if he was cool with the GOP threatening to torch the economy in order to kill Obamacare. No repsonse on that. I also pointed out that while I dislike the mandate part, cursory Googling shows that people who previously couldn’t get coverage can now at least get their kids to a doctor.

I also pointed out that this says a lot about his employer, in that they would fuck over their employees like this.

It should be pointed out that this guy is a basically a conservative Dem, who is a substitute teacher who wants Christie to bust the unions.

So instead of blaming the fucked up employer…they end up blaming the poor who finally got health care.

And it never ends.

329 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:07:50pm

re: #323 Mattand

And the “defunding” scam wouldn’t have an impact on this guy’s, or anyone else’s hours anyway. It would actually make the implementation of the ACA more difficult, producing more of the “trainwreck” Cruz et al claim they’re trying to prevent.

330 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:08:27pm

re: #327 erik_t

So do you!

(throws cd overboard)

Now wait a minute! I am NOT a fossil! (yet)

332 thedopefishlives  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:09:25pm

re: #331 Varek Raith

Fox Complains Unopened Obamacare Exchanges Haven’t Insured Enough Americans Yet

I had to mouse over that to check and make sure it wasn’t an Onion link.

333 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:10:05pm

re: #331 Varek Raith

Can’t slip anything by these Faux news people. /

334 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:10:10pm
335 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:10:16pm

re: #332 thedopefishlives

I had to mouse over that to check and make sure it wasn’t an Onion link.

I’d feel better if it were.

336 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:10:20pm

re: #325 klys

I am working on the scarf for my mother for Christmas. It has pretty mottled orange/yellow colors that will replace the purple/gray in this one.

Nice! So you’re liberal, smart, tech savvy, have great social skills, are not afraid to melt metal & glass AND you know how to knit? I feel so inadequate…

337 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:11:07pm

re: #331 Varek Raith

Fox Complains Unopened Obamacare Exchanges Haven’t Insured Enough Americans Yet

A bit like burning your neighbors house down and then complaining to the homeowner association that his property is no longer in compliance with the HOA rules.

338 thedopefishlives  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:11:44pm

re: #335 klys

I’d feel better if it were.

Oh, I would too. But it very well could’ve been one.

339 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:11:54pm

re: #334 darthstar

Vermincelli, too.

340 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:11:56pm

re: #323 Mattand

Not that it’s good this is happening to people, but if they lose their insurance because of cuts to their hours, they get to go to the exchanges and get subsidies to help them buy it. It can possibly even turn out that they’ll get better insurance for less money that route too. I’m betting a lot of companies just dump the insurance entirely to save themselves money and then more people end up in those exchanges. Which would be good, the more people in the pool the less everyone pays. If your employer offers you insurance you can’t be in the exchanges so I’m not sure what happens to those left in the old system.

341 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:11:57pm

re: #336 CuriousLurker

Nice! So you’re liberal, smart, tech savvy, have great social skills, are not afraid to melt metal & glass AND you know how to knit? I feel so inadequate…

Fairly certain the social skills part is still out for evaluation. But I can crochet very simple things (which this pattern is) and an added bonus is it looks more complicated than it is.

You can do things with Photoshop that I can’t dream of, so we’re even.

342 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:13:02pm

re: #340 A Mom Anon

Yeah, this, too.

343 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:13:07pm
344 erik_t  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:14:15pm

Okay, the tiny-shell-pasta-dog is pretty much the greatest thing ever.

345 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:15:21pm

re: #296 calochortus

Your basic Pacific Chorus Frogs (aka Tree Frogs) Last year mating season seemed to go on for a long, long time. :)

Ah, I have the same ones. Mating season does go on for a while but it gets really noisy towards the end (usually sometime in late April). They do wake me up sometimes but it’s not too bad. The first year or two I was worried about neighbor complaints about the noise but so far everybody loves it and they sleep with their windows open so they can hear the frogs all night.

346 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:15:30pm

re: #343 darthstar

Not sure which of these my local Giant sells but I’ll check them out.

347 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:15:39pm

re: #344 erik_t

Okay, the tiny-shell-pasta-dog is pretty much the greatest thing ever.

Some marketing person just earned their bonus for the year. It’s brilliant.

348 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:16:16pm

re: #342 Bulworth

Yeah, this, too.

Brilliant, and a great shot at Barilla.

349 thedopefishlives  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:16:56pm

re: #347 klys

Some marketing person just earned their bonus for the year. It’s brilliant.

I’m confused. What was the original kerfluffle?

350 erik_t  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:17:54pm

re: #349 thedopefishlives

I’m confused. What was the original kerfluffle?

Barilla’s CEO said they’d never feature a gay couple in an advertisement, because reasons.

351 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:18:01pm

re: #349 thedopefishlives

I’m confused. What was the original kerfluffle?

Someone made a pretty bad verbal misstep.

352 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:18:13pm

re: #328 celticdragon

So instead of blaming the fucked up employer…they end up blaming the poor who finally got health care.

And it never ends.

“I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half.” - Jay Gould.

Astonishing, isn’t it?

At the same time as they complain that unemployment is too high under Obama, they attack people for not having jobs.

At the same time as they point to the falling median wage, they piss on people who don’t make enough money to feed their families.

At the same time they bitch about a lack of personal responsibility among Americans, they say young people should go without health insurance.

353 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:18:22pm

‘Seven Strange Days’ With Syrian Rebels
Really cool article, it’s a bit long but well worth reading. Lots of picture for those who aren’t into the whole reading thing.

354 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:19:08pm

re: #320 sagehen

Shorter Christie: “I’m okay with it so are my constituents… but please don’t let the Iowa and South Carolina primary voters know I said that.”

No, looks as though he’s trying to block these marriages:

“Gov. Chris Christie’s administration indicated Friday it will appeal a Superior Court’s ruling that paved the way for same sex marriage in the Garden State.”

(snip)

“Friday’s court ruling set the stage for same-sex couples to wed in the Garden State as soon as Oct. 21.”

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355 Mattand  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:20:26pm

re: #326 Carlos Danger

The employer mandate was delayed for a year, which makes this even more transparent.

Damn. Forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder.

356 thedopefishlives  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:20:40pm

re: #350 erik_t

re: #351 klys

I’m going to go out on a limb here, but I’m starting to think companies were better off when they just completely ignored the whole homosexuality thing. Almost every company that has opened its corporate-person mouth has been anti-gay, and has basically shot itself in the foot because of it. Why not just keep it to yourself and profit?

357 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:20:55pm

Have a laugh break.

358 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:21:37pm

Pasta Ceo opining on gay rights.
Okeyly dokely bigotino.

359 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:22:04pm

re: #357 klys

Have a laugh break.

I want a sign for the front of my car, written in mirror image, that says, “If You Can Read This, I’m Too Close”

360 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:22:18pm

re: #356 thedopefishlives

I’m going to go out on a limb here, but I’m starting to think companies were better off when they just completely ignored the whole homosexuality thing. Almost every company that has opened its corporate-person mouth has been anti-gay, and has basically shot itself in the foot because of it. Why not just keep it to yourself and profit?

That would be the smart thing to do. Like I said about this issue yesterday, we switched vets because he made a donation in the name of the clinic in support of Prop 8. We wrestled with that, because we saw one of the junior vets at the clinic and she didn’t agree with him, but ultimately we left and made sure the reason why was clear.

Switching pasta brands is peanuts compared to that.

361 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:22:58pm

re: #354 Justanotherhuman

Since everything in NJ must now be put to a referendum, how come the world’s greatest governor is trying to interfere with the people’s right to choose whether these marriages should be challenged? Shouldn’t that go on the ballot, too?

//

362 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:24:15pm
363 allegro  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:24:32pm

re: #325 klys

I am working on the scarf for my mother for Christmas. It has pretty mottled orange/yellow colors that will replace the purple/gray in this one.

Oooo pretty stitch! Share the pattern? Is it online? That would make a fabulous pillow. I’ve been making blankies to donate to the SPCA for the shelter buddies. Took these over there yesterday: Image: 33_blankies.jpg

Just to note: Image: no_harm1.jpg

364 thedopefishlives  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:24:33pm

re: #360 klys

That would be the smart thing to do. Like I said about this issue yesterday, we switched vets because he made a donation in the name of the clinic in support of Prop 8. We wrestled with that, because we saw one of the junior vets at the clinic and she didn’t agree with him, but ultimately we left and made sure the reason why was clear.

Switching pasta brands is peanuts compared to that.

I mean, seriously. If I were a corporate lawyer, I would be sending daily reminders: “I don’t care who says what, when it comes to the issue of gay marriage and homosexuals, SHUT YOUR DAMN PIEHOLE. If asked directly, get me on the phone and wait.”

365 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:24:42pm

re: #357 klys

Have a laugh break.

Damn, I was hoping for a picture that wouldn’t involve reading. I’m totally not into that, y’know? That’s why I come here, for all the picture threads. //

366 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:24:53pm

re: #361 Bulworth

Since everything in NJ must now be put to a referendum, how come the world’s greatest governor is trying to interfere with the people’s right to choose whether these marriages should be challenged? Shouldn’t that go on the ballot, too?

//

Fucking referenda. I’m so sick of them, from 31 years of living in California, where they put every damned thing on the fucking ballot. What the hell do we have a Legislature for?

367 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:25:45pm

re: #366 GeneJockey

The legislature exists to rubber-stamp the governor’s agenda. //

368 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:25:52pm

re: #363 allegro

Oooo pretty stitch! Share the pattern? Is it online? That would make a fabulous pillow. I’ve been making blankies to donate to the SPCA for the shelter buddies. Took these over there yesterday: Image: 33_blankies.jpg

Just to note: Image: no_harm1.jpg

It is a free online pattern, found here. My local yarn store had a store model that I fell in love with and searched out the pattern for it and it’s incredibly easy. Wouldn’t be too hard to adapt either, I think.

369 sagehen  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:26:02pm

re: #359 GeneJockey

I want a sign for the front of my car, written in mirror image, that says, “If You Can Read This, I’m Too Close”

My college bookstore had a t-shirt that said, in Latin, “if you can read this, you’re too educated.”

370 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:26:17pm

re: #364 thedopefishlives

I mean, seriously. If I were a corporate lawyer, I would be sending daily reminders: “I don’t care who says what, when it comes to the issue of gay marriage and homosexuals, SHUT YOUR DAMN PIEHOLE. If asked directly, get me on the phone and wait.”

CEO types tend to surround themselves in bubbles to keep reality out.

Paying attention to corporate legal is another of those things that are “for the little people’.

371 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:26:44pm

re: #369 sagehen

My college bookstore had a t-shirt that said, in Latin, “if you can read this, you’re too educated.”

No worries for me, then!

372 thedopefishlives  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:27:36pm

re: #370 EPR-radar

CEO types tend to surround themselves in bubbles to keep reality out.

Paying attention to corporate legal is another of those things that are “for the little people’.

Funny, since the CEO *should* be even more legally minded than the “little people”. But, they don’t hire CEOs for their brains, only who they know at the country club.

373 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:27:45pm

Big turnout for Pro-Cruz rally on the White House lawn.

Image: Ted_Cruz_Rally.jpg

374 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:28:12pm

The Test We’re Giving Iran Is Rigged

Why Obama has to go bigger, much bigger, in making a deal with Iran — or be prepared for a messy failure.

….many diplomats and nonproliferation experts have advocated a “big for big” solution in which the United States wins major concessions from Iran by making large concessions of its own; former State Department official Robert Einhorn offered a blueprint for such a transaction in an article in FP earlier this year. One element of such a plan would be an agreement that Iran could continue to enrich uranium to the low concentrations necessary for peaceful purposes so long as it allows inspections intrusive enough to ensure that no undeclared nuclear material has been diverted. If Iran balked at such a deal, the West would have good reason to conclude that its leadership had decided to achieve weapons capacity come what may.

That’s a test. And it’s a test Iran might even pass.

375 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:28:26pm

re: #366 GeneJockey

Fucking referenda. I’m so sick of them, from 31 years of living in California, where they put every damned thing on the fucking ballot. What the hell do we have a Legislature for?

I used to think they were a sign of a healthy democracy, but Prop 13 cured me of that. I learned why we are a Republic.

376 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:28:29pm

re: #364 thedopefishlives

I mean, seriously. If I were a corporate lawyer, I would be sending daily reminders: “I don’t care who says what, when it comes to the issue of gay marriage and homosexuals, SHUT YOUR DAMN PIEHOLE. If asked directly, get me on the phone and wait.”

YOU’RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME, I’M THE BOSS OF YOU.

/CEO speak

377 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:28:58pm

re: #370 EPR-radar

CEO types tend to surround themselves in bubbles to keep reality out.

Paying attention to corporate legal is another of those things that are “for the little people’.

Then they sit on each others’ BoDs and decide what OTHER CEOs get, and then claim their high pay is all ‘Market Forces’.

378 gwangung  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:29:01pm

re: #370 EPR-radar

CEO types tend to surround themselves in bubbles to keep reality out.

Paying attention to corporate legal is another of those things that are “for the little people’.

Any similarities to Republicans and their tactics are purely intentional.

379 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:29:12pm

Okay, time for me to take a break. TTYL, lizards.

380 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:29:59pm

re: #366 GeneJockey

Fucking referenda. I’m so sick of them, from 31 years of living in California, where they put every damned thing on the fucking ballot. What the hell do we have a Legislature for?

Another CA resident here. In the 2012 election, there was a referendum on the ballot to further criminalize human trafficking. I voted against it, on the grounds that this is something the legislature should have done.

So now I have voted in favor of human trafficking. ///

381 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:31:03pm
382 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:31:11pm

re: #380 EPR-radar

Another CA resident here. In the 2012 election, there was a referendum on the ballot to further criminalize human trafficking. I voted against it, on the grounds that this is something the legislature should have done.

So now I have voted in favor of human trafficking. ///

What gets me is how much of this shit gets written into the constitution of the state.

And what spending gets dictated.

And then you hear people who have no clue bitching about how much money CA is wasting without realizing how much the spending is dictated by shit that got written into the fucking constitution where it shouldn’t be.

383 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:31:33pm

re: #381 darthstar

[Embedded content]

The Fog Fest is this weekend. A small chance we might head up that way.

384 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:31:39pm

re: #381 darthstar

Karl the fog is having a sad.

385 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:33:10pm

re: #383 klys

The Fog Fest is this weekend. A small chance we might head up that way.

Cool. I’ll probably check it out myself unless I go down to Santa Cruz - surf conditions permitting…though I could surf Pacifica (closer to my house anyway) and check out the festival.

386 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:33:11pm

re: #374 Killgore Trout

The Test We’re Giving Iran Is Rigged

Why Obama has to go bigger, much bigger, in making a deal with Iran — or be prepared for a messy failure.

Yawn. FP should stop trying to second guess Pres Obama.

387 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:33:19pm

re: #382 klys

What gets me is how much of this shit gets written into the constitution of the state.

And what spending gets dictated.

And then you hear people who have no clue bitching about how much money CA is wasting without realizing how much the spending is dictated by shit that got written into the fucking constitution where it shouldn’t be.

It is madness to allow the constitution to be changed by a simple majority vote in a referendum, as in CA.

388 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:34:23pm

re: #385 darthstar

Cool. I’ll probably check it out myself unless I go down to Santa Cruz - surf conditions permitting…though I could surf Pacifica (closer to my house anyway) and check out the festival.

We are probably doing a Barbary Coast walking tour in SF on Saturday and so I’m thinking we might swing by on the way home or something. I dunno, we’ll see. Going over to Santa Cruz would be nice too - haven’t been to Kiva in a while.

390 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:35:25pm

re: #389 Varek Raith

OFFS

I actually saw this earlier. Unf0ckingbelievable.

391 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:36:50pm

re: #387 EPR-radar

It is madness

that’s a cue for my eeeevil scientist laugh you know

392 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:36:58pm

re: #389 Varek Raith

Also according to Hersh the U.S. will bomb and invade Iran in 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013

393 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:37:07pm

re: #374 Killgore Trout

The way I look at the Iran situation is that there is no point in talking if one or both sides is only interested in publicly painting the other side as the Great Satan or part of the Axis of Evil.

Dinnerjacket was clearly not worth talking to. The new Iranian president seems more reasonable. Better to try talking and not have it work out than to remain stubborn and guarantee a worst case outcome.

394 allegro  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:37:07pm

re: #368 klys

It is a free online pattern, found here. My local yarn store had a store model that I fell in love with and searched out the pattern for it and it’s incredibly easy. Wouldn’t be too hard to adapt either, I think.

Thanks! Bigger hook and worsted weight yarn = pretty soft blankie for a shelter kid!

395 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:37:16pm

re: #389 Varek Raith

Just how does Hersh know all this “insider”, top secret stuff anyway? Does he have a mole in the WH?

Cheeeeez.

396 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:38:32pm

re: #395 Justanotherhuman

Just how does Hersh know all this “insider”, top secret stuff anyway? Does he have a mole in the WH?

Cheeeeez.

From wiki;

Some have criticized Hersh’s use of anonymous sources in his reporting, implying that some of these sources are unreliable or even made up. In a review of Hersh’s book, Chain of Command, commentator Amir Taheri wrote, “As soon as he has made an assertion he cites a ‘source’ to back it. In every case this is either an un-named former official or an unidentified secret document passed to Hersh in unknown circumstances… By my count Hersh has anonymous ‘sources’ inside 30 foreign governments and virtually every department of the U.S. government.”

397 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:38:39pm

re: #389 Varek Raith

Seymour Hersh on death of Osama bin Laden: ‘It’s one big lie, not one word of it is true’

Nutter.

The Obama administration lies systematically, he claims, yet none of the leviathans of American media, the TV networks or big print titles, challenge him.

“It’s pathetic, they are more than obsequious, they are afraid to pick on this guy [Obama],” he declares in an interview with the Guardian.

yes of course all media coverage of the president outside of fox, limbaugh, beck, & coulter has been 1000% positive

/////

398 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:38:49pm

re: #394 allegro

Thanks! Bigger hook and worsted weight yarn = pretty soft blankie for a shelter kid!

You’re welcome! That’s an awesome thing to do with them.

399 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:39:06pm

re: #331 Varek Raith

Fox Complains Unopened Obamacare Exchanges Haven’t Insured Enough Americans Yet

Why do they care? They don’t care about how many Americans are uninsured. Not at all.

400 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:39:28pm

re: #397 dog philosopher

he declares in an interview with the Guardian.

The Guardian, breaking more important stories on America. /

401 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:40:13pm

THE AMAZING KRESKIN HERSH PREDICTS!

402 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:41:39pm

re: #375 wrenchwench

I used to think they were a sign of a healthy democracy, but Prop 13 cured me of that. I learned why we are a Republic.

To be fair, the whole initiative process was put in place when the Legislature was bought and paid for by the Robber Barons, as a way of making California more of a Democracy than a Plutocracy. But now you have the public making legislative decisions on the basis of slick ad campaigns and emotional appeals.

So one year we had FOUR mutually exclusive initiatives on car insurance, with sequential ballot numbers, and a terribly confusing campaign.

403 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:42:20pm

re: #380 EPR-radar

Another CA resident here. In the 2012 election, there was a referendum on the ballot to further criminalize human trafficking. I voted against it, on the grounds that this is something the legislature should have done.

So now I have voted in favor of human trafficking. ///

You HEARTLESS BASTARD!
//

404 kirkspencer  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:42:41pm

re: #374 Killgore Trout

The Test We’re Giving Iran Is Rigged

Why Obama has to go bigger, much bigger, in making a deal with Iran — or be prepared for a messy failure.

James Traub (Foreign Policy magazine, Council of Foreign Relations, and National Review stalwart) says with oh-so-sincere concern that Obama’s screwed whatever he does with Iran, and backs it with paragraphs of opinion and facts out of context.

405 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:44:57pm

I bitch about CA, then I look at Texas, Florida, Arizona, Minnesota, the South, the Midwest and realize there are much worse places to live.

406 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:45:41pm

re: #405 Kragar

I bitch about CA, then I look at Texas, Florida, Arizona, Minnesota, the South, the Midwest and realize there are much worse places to live.

I bitch about the weather. It’s boring as shit.

407 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:46:29pm

re: #406 klys

I bitch about the weather. It’s boring as shit.

Sunny and nice again, Fucking hell, I want some god damn rain or some wind.

408 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:47:10pm

One coronal mass ejection coming up!

409 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:47:12pm

re: #407 Kragar

Sunny and nice again, Fucking hell, I want some god damn rain or some wind.

YES. And snow.

Seasons are nice and don’t exist in CA.

410 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:47:39pm

re: #405 Kragar

I bitch about CA, then I look at Texas, Florida, Arizona, Minnesota, the South, the Midwest and realize there are much worse places to live.

as the old bumpersticker went

CA - Another Shitty Day In Paradise

411 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:47:50pm

re: #405 Kragar

I bitch about CA, then I look at Texas, Florida, Arizona, Minnesota, the South, the Midwest and realize there are much worse places to live.

Just imagine Mississippi or Alabama, or South Carolina with an initiative process like California’s. A population stupid enough to elect Jim DeMint, voting on other people’s rights. What a nightmare THAT would be!

412 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:48:20pm

re: #409 klys

YES. And snow.

Seasons are nice and don’t exist in CA.

“Look! Clouds! Winter is here!”

413 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:49:18pm

re: #412 Kragar

“Look! Clouds! Winter is here!”

The depressing truth.

414 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:49:37pm

re: #409 klys

YES. And snow.

Seasons are nice and don’t exist in CA.

I’m thoroughly pleased with the lack of winter/snow in the CA bay area. It means I will never be obliged to drive to work in the snow, among other things.

415 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:50:41pm

re: #414 EPR-radar

I’m thoroughly pleased with the lack of winter/snow in the CA bay area. It means I will never be obliged to drive to work in the snow, among other things.

Let’s be real, it’s not like they’d want anyone on the roads if it was snowing, because nobody here knows how to drive in it.

416 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:52:52pm

re: #412 Kragar

“Look! Clouds! Winter is here!”

Sometime in the late 1960s, my late parents were out and about in L.A. in early December; my father recalled that it was snowing, and pretty much everyone was standing around looking at the sky like the apocalypse was imminent.

It snowed in Los Angeles. Granted, it melted instantly when it hit the ground, but he recalled this ‘snowstorm’ lasted for about a good half hour or so before it switched over to rain. I believe it was in 1968, the year before I was born.

417 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:53:02pm

re: #415 klys

Let’s be real, it’s not like they’d want anyone on the roads if it was snowing, because nobody here knows how to drive in it.

It’s an unmitigated pain in the ass to drive through snow, even if the locals are more or less capable of it.

418 funky chicken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:53:11pm

I wonder how many taxpayer dollars these fiscally responsible conservatives have wasted over the years forcing these rewrites?

419 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:53:35pm

re: #415 klys

Let’s be real, it’s not like they’d want anyone on the roads if it was snowing, because nobody here knows how to drive in it.

I actually have a theory why traffic is so bad in regions with large transient populations. Because so many different people with different driving styles are on the road together, you get more accidents because of people misreading and reacting to drivers differently than they would around drivers from the same regions.

Applies more noticeably around military bases, colleges, tourist destinations, etc.

420 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:53:46pm

re: #417 EPR-radar

It’s an unmitigated pain in the ass to drive through snow, even if the locals are more or less capable of it.

I grew up in places with snow. I miss it.

That being said, maybe we could compromise on at least wishing for the occasional real thunderstorm in the Bay Area, instead of the once-a-year single thunderclap?

421 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:53:59pm

re: #415 klys

Let’s be real, it’s not like they’d want anyone on the roads if it was snowing, because nobody here knows how to drive in it.

No one knows how to drive in perfect conditions, let alone inclement weather.
;)

422 allegro  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:54:09pm

re: #398 klys

You’re welcome! That’s an awesome thing to do with them.

Thanks again! Not entirely altruistic - great use for left-over yarn. At least that’s how I got started. Now I make them cuz these little afghans are a blast to make. I get to play with any colors I feel like and mess with new designs just for the pure fun of it. That they ultimately bring considerable comfort to scared shelter critters that have to sleep on otherwise hard or grated floors is just… *sniff* I can’t adopt anymore (I have 2 rescue dogs now) but this I can do.

423 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:54:37pm

People from Maryland drive sloooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

424 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:54:51pm

re: #419 Kragar

I actually have a theory why traffic is so bad in regions with large transient populations. Because so many different people with different driving styles are on the road together, you get more accidents because of people misreading and reacting to drivers differently than they would other drivers from the same regions.

Applies more noticeably around military bases, colleges, tourist destinations, etc.

CA has its own special problem related to the fact that they don’t want to actually give you room to merge onto the highway. I’m looking at 101 in particular, here. MY CAR ENGINE DOESN’T DO THAT KIND OF ACCELERATION.

425 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:55:31pm

re: #423 Varek Raith

People from Maryland drive sloooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Maryland is fucking allergic to putting up road signs. That was my conclusion from my last trip there.

426 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:55:46pm

Messing around on SW:OTR, someone just posted : “LFG to go insane, go insane, throw some glitter, make it rain.”

427 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:56:16pm

re: #426 Kragar

Messing around on SW:OTR, someone just posted : “LFG to go insane, go insane, throw some glitter, make it rain.”

I should boot that up again at some point.

428 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:56:37pm

re: #425 klys

Maryland is fucking allergic to putting up road signs. That was my conclusion from my last trip there.

Every other car on 95 in Maryland is a state trooper.
True story.

429 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:56:46pm

re: #420 klys

I grew up in places with snow. I miss it.

That being said, maybe we could compromise on at least wishing for the occasional real thunderstorm in the Bay Area, instead of the once-a-year single thunderclap?

I also grew up in places with snow, and don’t miss it at all. More thunderstorms would be interesting.

Actually, the weather patterns in CA seem to be changing —- there has been more weather activity in the dry season this year than seems normal to me.

430 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:56:54pm

re: #425 klys

Maryland is fucking allergic to putting up road signs. That was my conclusion from my last trip there.

Hey, New Jersey, I want to turn left. Why the fuck can’t I turn left? What the fuck is this round about shit?

431 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:57:22pm

re: #430 Kragar

Hey, New Jersey, I want to turn left. Why the fuck can’t I turn left? What the fuck is this round about shit?

YOU WILL TAKE THE JUGHANDLE AND YOU WILL LIKE IT.

432 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:58:08pm

re: #409 klys

YES. And snow.

Seasons are nice and don’t exist in CA.

What, ‘Fog, Flood, and Fire’ aren’t enough for you?
//

Fuck seasons. I grew up with seasons, and I don’t miss ‘em. Too hot, or too cold, or too changeable.

433 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:58:16pm

re: #428 Varek Raith

Every other car on 95 in Maryland is a state trooper.
True story.

I went to undergrad in Baltimore. I spent more time than I’d like to think about in those areas.

434 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:59:45pm

re: #416 Dr Lizardo

Sometime in the late 1960s, my late parents were out and about in L.A. in early December; my father recalled that it was snowing, and pretty much everyone was standing around looking at the sky like the apocalypse was imminent.

It snowed in Los Angeles. Granted, it melted instantly when it hit the ground, but he recalled this ‘snowstorm’ lasted for about a good half hour or so before it switched over to rain. I believe it was in 1968, the year before I was born.

I looked it up; it turned out it did snow in 1962 in downtown Los Angeles; most likely, my dad got the timeframe wrong, though he did say it was “before I was born” and he and my mother were dating starting in 1961.

435 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:00:19pm

re: #416 Dr Lizardo

Sometime in the late 1960s, my late parents were out and about in L.A. in early December; my father recalled that it was snowing, and pretty much everyone was standing around looking at the sky like the apocalypse was imminent.

It snowed in Los Angeles. Granted, it melted instantly when it hit the ground, but he recalled this ‘snowstorm’ lasted for about a good half hour or so before it switched over to rain. I believe it was in 1968, the year before I was born.

I remember that. A few years later, it looked like snow but it was ash from El Toro Marine Base burning.

436 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:00:30pm

re: #434 Dr Lizardo

I looked it up; it turned out it did snow in 1962 in downtown Los Angeles; most likely, my dad got the timeframe wrong, though he did say it was “before I was born” and he and my mother were dating starting in 1961.

During the last serious “cold snap” in the Bay Area, my office’s heat broke.

437 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:01:01pm

Damn it spray paint. I’ve got one model left to primer and you decide you want run out?

Fuck you, spray paint.

438 funky chicken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:01:25pm

re: #430 Kragar

Hey, New Jersey, I want to turn left. Why the fuck can’t I turn left? What the fuck is this round about shit?

We liked the jug handles after we had been there for a year. They keep traffic moving and seem to help prevent accidents … Far fewer crashes in Jersey than pretty much anywhere else we have lived.

439 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:01:27pm

re: #437 Kragar

Damn it spray paint. I’ve got one model left to primer and you decide you want run out?

Fuck you, spray paint.

I’m glad to see we’re all being productive with our Friday afternoons.

440 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:01:56pm

re: #436 klys

During the last serious “cold snap” in the Bay Area, my office’s heat broke.

IIRC, during the last serious cold snap, some folks out in Concord and other outlying areas discovered just why you don’t run the water pipes up the outside of the house.

441 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:03:51pm

re: #439 klys

I’m glad to see we’re all being productive with our Friday afternoons.

Who’s ‘we’???

442 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:04:00pm

re: #430 Kragar

Hey, New Jersey, I want to turn left. Why the fuck can’t I turn left? What the fuck is this round about shit?

I grew up near Gettysburg, which has ‘The Square’, which is the first roundabout I ever encountered. Bullet diggers Tourists would be driving through, get to the Square, and freeze. Locals blast right through.

443 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:04:08pm

re: #439 klys

I’m glad to see we’re all being productive with our Friday afternoons.

The plan was to get it done before my daughter’s doctors appt, so it would be dry tonight. So much for that idea.

444 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:04:24pm

re: #436 klys

During the last serious “cold snap” in the Bay Area, my office’s heat broke.

There was a major snow event in Los Angeles in 1949, it turns out:

The biggest recorded snowstorm to visit the city hit on Jan. 10, 1949. Snowfall lasted nearly three days and varied by location; barely a third of an inch fell on the L.A. civic center, where official measurements were made, but nearly a foot fell elsewhere. Snow blanketed beach cities from Santa Monica to Laguna. Nighttime temperatures dipped into the 20s.

In a city whose traffic arteries seize up at the first drops of rain, snow brought major disruptions. Icy conditions forced the CHP to close portions of the Pacific Coast Highway, and the canyon roads over the Santa Monica Mountains became impassable; an accumulated foot of snow trapped nearly twenty automobiles in Laurel Canyon. The Southern California Gas Company reported record demand as furnaces worked around the clock. In the San Gabriel Valley, orange growers burned smudge pots in a futile effort to protect their crops from frost.

lamag.com

445 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:04:41pm

re: #434 Dr Lizardo

I looked it up; it turned out it did snow in 1962 in downtown Los Angeles; most likely, my dad got the timeframe wrong, though he did say it was “before I was born” and he and my mother were dating starting in 1961.

It must have happened (again?) between 1963 and ‘68, because I swear, I remember it. Also a big hail/snow event in Redlands in 1980, which is closer to the mountains, so less odd.

446 Carlos Danger  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:04:42pm

Worst drivers I ever saw were in Washington D.C.

L.A drivers were fantastic by comparison.

447 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:05:14pm

re: #441 Varek Raith

Who’s ‘we’???

Prove for any integer n, if n is a multiple of three, then n^2 will be a multiple of three with a direct proof.

This is what I’m ignoring for the afternoon.

448 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:05:44pm

re: #393 EPR-radar

The way I look at the Iran situation is that there is no point in talking if one or both sides is only interested in publicly painting the other side as the Great Satan or part of the Axis of Evil.

Dinnerjacket was clearly not worth talking to. The new Iranian president seems more reasonable. Better to try talking and not have it work out than to remain stubborn and guarantee a worst case outcome.

I think it’s a common misconception that the new president has any say in the matter. Iran is still ruled by the same council of clerics and the same Supreme Leader, the “moderate” president is just the errand boy. There has been no change in leadership.

449 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:06:11pm

re: #442 GeneJockey

I grew up near Gettysburg, which has ‘The Square’, which is the first roundabout I ever encountered. Bullet diggers Tourists would be driving through, get to the Square, and freeze. Locals blast right through.

I dont mind traffic circles. NJ actually makes you turn right, circle around 270 degrees and then go straight rather than simply turn left. Turns like this were all over the place when I visited there.

450 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:06:15pm

re: #447 klys

Prove for any integer n, if n is a multiple of three, then n^2 will be a multiple of three with a direct proof.

This is what I’m ignoring for the afternoon.

Direct proof can sod off!

451 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:06:30pm

re: #445 wrenchwench

It must have happened (again?) between 1963 and ‘68, because I swear, I remember it. Also a big hail/snow event in Redlands in 1980, which is closer to the mountains, so less odd.

Maybe; it could be it wasn’t recorded because there was no accumulation, unlike earlier events.

452 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:06:43pm

Concord people, LOL. Too good for Antioch, not shi-shi enough for Walnut Creek.

453 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:07:07pm

re: #447 klys

Isn’t that like 3 lines to show? Or is ‘direct proof’ some terminology for a more tedious affair?

454 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:07:10pm

re: #449 Kragar

I dont mind traffic circle. NJ actually makes you turn right, circle around 270 degrees and then go straight rather than simply turn left. Turns like this were all over the place when I visited there.

They’re called jughandles. =P

455 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:07:38pm

re: #449 Kragar

I dont mind traffic circle. NJ actually makes you turn right, circle around 270 degrees and then go straight rather than simply turn left. Turns like this were all over the place when I visited there.

That’s what the G-burg Square does. It’s got a big round thingummy in the middle, with highly confusing signs.

456 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:07:45pm

re: #447 klys

Prove for any integer n, if n is a multiple of three, then n^2 will be a multiple of three with a direct proof.

This is what I’m ignoring for the afternoon.

That doesn’t need a proof; it’s obvious.

/no help here

457 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:07:57pm

re: #453 EPR-radar

Isn’t that like 3 lines to show? Or is ‘direct proof’ some terminology for a more tedious affair?

It’s probably relatively short. I’m avoiding it anyway and rewatching the lecture on direct proofs while I wait for the lecture on indirect proofs to go up.

458 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:08:34pm

re: #454 klys

They’re called jughandles. =P

I call them “Fuck you dammit, I want to go left!”

459 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:08:35pm

re: #447 klys

Prove for any integer n, if n is a multiple of three, then n^2 will be a multiple of three with a direct proof.

This is what I’m ignoring for the afternoon.

“I got your ‘direct proof’ right here!”

460 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:08:39pm

re: #448 Killgore Trout

I think it’s a common misconception that the new president has any say in the matter. Iran is still ruled by the same council of clerics and the same Supreme Leader, the “moderate” president is just the errand boy. There has been no change in leadership.

I’m well aware of that. If the present day mouthpiece for the ayatollahs is making more diplomatic noises, it still make sense to engage to see what, if anything, has really changed.

461 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:10:10pm

re: #458 Kragar

I call them “Fuck you dammit, I want to go left!”

In NJ, there is also a shortage of left turn signals. 3 rights was often less painful than an unprotected left on a busy street.

462 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:10:19pm

Well, this is interesting. It seems we’ve negotiated with Rouhani before.
When Rouhani Met Ollie North

463 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:11:09pm

re: #460 EPR-radar

I’m well aware of that. If the present day mouthpiece for the ayatollahs is making more diplomatic noises, it still make sense to engage to see what, if anything, has really changed.

Agreed. Let’s hope it turns out well.

464 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:11:14pm

re: #461 EPR-radar

In NJ, there is also a shortage of left turn signals. 3 rights was often less painful than an unprotected left on a busy street.

Although really, driving in NJ is just painful and should be avoided.

465 sagehen  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:12:04pm

re: #409 klys

YES. And snow.

Seasons are nice and don’t exist in CA.

If you have a car they do; you can surf in the morning, ski in the afternoon, and catch sunset in the desert. On the same day.

466 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:13:25pm

re: #465 sagehen

If you have a car they do; you can surf in the morning, ski in the afternoon, and catch sunset in the desert. On the same day.

Unfortunately, that is not seasons, that is taking advantage of geographically driven climate diversity.

Which, while awesome, is not the same as having seasons occurring outside my window at home.

467 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:13:45pm

Italy is the Euro-zone’s third largest economy. Did you know they produce more kiwi fruit than NZS? #1 in sales.

Italian government near collapse after budget talks fail

(Reuters) - Italian Prime Minister Enrico Letta failed to secure backing for a vital package of fiscal measures on Friday as divisions with center-right partners in his fragile coalition took the government to the brink of collapse.

(snip)

“Failure to agree on some 3 billion euros of budget measures, demanded by both Letta’s center-left Democratic Party (PD) and Berlusconi’s People of Freedom (PDL), underlined the breakdown between the two traditional rivals which were forced together by last February’s deadlocked election.

Of course—the “center right” which is tea party territory in Italia.

468 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:15:03pm

re: #467 Justanotherhuman

Italy is the Euro-zone’s third largest economy. Did you know they produce more kiwi fruit than NZS? #1 in sales.

Italian government near collapse after budget talks fail

(Reuters) - Italian Prime Minister Enrico Letta failed to secure backing for a vital package of fiscal measures on Friday as divisions with center-right partners in his fragile coalition took the government to the brink of collapse.

(snip)

“Failure to agree on some 3 billion euros of budget measures, demanded by both Letta’s center-left Democratic Party (PD) and Berlusconi’s People of Freedom (PDL), underlined the breakdown between the two traditional rivals which were forced together by last February’s deadlocked election.

Of course—the “center right” which is tea party territory in Italia.

Italian government near collapse?! An unstable government in Italy?!!

Unheard of - the limit!!!

469 sagehen  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:16:31pm

re: #445 wrenchwench

It must have happened (again?) between 1963 and ‘68, because I swear, I remember it. Also a big hail/snow event in Redlands in 1980, which is closer to the mountains, so less odd.

And again in 1978; it was 1/2 an inch, and the entire basin came to a standstill since there’s only one snowplow in the whole damn county (it just works the grapevine) so the only recourse was just wait for it to melt. It took a whole day.

470 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:16:35pm

Off to the Doc.

471 GeneJockey  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:19:19pm

re: #466 klys

Unfortunately, that is not seasons, that is taking advantage of geographically driven climate diversity.

Which, while awesome, is not the same as having seasons occurring outside my window at home.

Out of curiousity, when you lived where there were seasons, did you have to shovel snow or, rake leaves?

I think a lot of my distaste for the seasons Back East has to do with the labor involved in dealing with their byproducts. My parents yard is 1 3/4 acres, with a long driveway to shovel, and a lot of trees whose leaves I had to rake before they killed the grass underneath.

472 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:21:40pm

re: #469 sagehen

And again in 1978; it was 1/2 an inch, and the entire basin came to a standstill since there’s only one snowplow in the whole damn county (it just works the grapevine) so the only recourse was just wait for it to melt. It took a whole day.

I saw snow in Redlands and San Bernardino back around 1991 or so. Snow was on the ground along I-10 all the way to Ontario.

473 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:22:46pm

re: #469 sagehen

And again in 1978; it was 1/2 an inch, and the entire basin came to a standstill since there’s only one snowplow in the whole damn county (it just works the grapevine) so the only recourse was just wait for it to melt. It took a whole day.

Heh. Anytime there’s a significant snowfall event - or ice storm - up in the Portland, OR area, that’s pretty much it. It gets bad real quick. And there’s usually a few days every winter where there’s some ice or snow. Freezing rain is a particular problem, owing mostly to an atmospheric effect of the Columbia River Gorge.

474 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:24:40pm

re: #471 GeneJockey

Out of curiousity, when you lived where there were seasons, did you have to shovel snow or, rake leaves?

I think a lot of my distaste for the seasons Back East has to do with the labor involved in dealing with their byproducts. My parents yard is 1 3/4 acres, with a long driveway to shovel, and a lot of trees whose leaves I had to rake before they killed the grass underneath.

I did help with the shoveling and the leaves. And the tree trimming and hauling brush when thunderstorms brought down branches (reasonably common) and mowing the damn lawn (we had an acre, thank God Dad believed in riding lawn mowers).

I know there’s a tradeoff in terms of work - a lot of work sometimes - but I love it anyway. I feel more connected to the world when I can watch the seasons change. (Cheesy, I know. But I miss the world changing to cooler weather and crisp leaves underfoot and baking a pie and then having snow fall outside the window while snuggled under a blanket, reading.)

475 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:27:31pm

re: #473 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Anytime there’s a significant snowfall event - or ice storm - up in the Portland, OR area, that’s pretty much it. It gets bad real quick. And there’s usually a few days every winter where there’s some ice or snow. Freezing rain is a particular problem, owing mostly to an atmospheric effect of the Columbia River Gorge.

We moved from Portland, OR to Everett, WA, immediately following an ice storm. The freeway was clear, but it was really cold, and we were in a VW bus, which are notorious for having poor heaters. We fired up a little camp stove between the front seats on the floor. It was the only way to keep ice from forming on the windshield. We were toasty. Got weird looks from the couple we passed in a similar VW bus, all bundled up with hats and scarves, and we were in short sleeves.

476 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:30:58pm

In the Mid-Atlantic we have summer and winter.

477 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:31:26pm

re: #405 Kragar

I was about to say I’d happily trade with any of ya’all (see what I did there?) who live in California COMPLAINING. (lol) You could live in a really really red state. The referendum thing is a giant pain in the ass, but I could find a way to live with that.

478 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:33:57pm

re: #468 Dr Lizardo

Italian government near collapse?! An unstable government in Italy?!!

Unheard of - the limit!!!

Yeah, but will they get a bailout? : )

479 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:34:21pm
480 blueraven  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:35:28pm

re: #448 Killgore Trout

I think it’s a common misconception that the new president has any say in the matter. Iran is still ruled by the same council of clerics and the same Supreme Leader, the “moderate” president is just the errand boy. There has been no change in leadership.

If the supreme leader didn’t want Rouhani signaling they were ready to work with us, he wouldn’t be doing so.
He is not out there doing this without a nod from them.

481 compound_Idaho  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:36:43pm

re: #476 Varek Raith

In the Mid-Atlantic we have summer and winter.

Woke up to about an inch of snow on the ground this morning. Fall is my favorite season around here. Looks like we may not get one this year.

482 blueraven  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:37:18pm

And it is insulting to keep implying that anyone who would love to see a diplomatic solution is some naive idiot.

483 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:37:40pm

re: #475 wrenchwench

I love those old VW buses; they’re really hard to find around here in the Czech Republic. I’d love to get my hands on one.

Or if I could find one, either a Citroën 2CV or a DS23, the latter being one of my dream cars.

484 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:40:49pm
485 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:41:09pm

there are too seasons in northern california!

we have two seasons: green and brown

seriously, as far as missing seasons, the reason i like living in california is because i will never, never miss winter

486 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:42:38pm

re: #468 Dr Lizardo

Italian government near collapse?! An unstable government in Italy?!!

Unheard of - the limit!!!

the italian constitution requires that the government get at least one vote of no confidence in any 12 month period

487 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:43:01pm

re: #485 dog philosopher

there are too seasons in northern california!

we have two seasons: green and brown

seriously, as far as missing seasons, the reason i like living in california is because i will never, never miss winter

Winter is my favorite season.

Summer can bite my ass.

488 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:43:53pm

Still waiting for fall to arrive here in Houston.
(currently 86F, 74% humidity).

489 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:44:21pm

GOP hires Andy Barkett to leap into digital fray

During his travels, Barkett said, people tell him that “I didn’t want to give to the RNC, but I will help you.” So this week, the RNC rolled out a new Digital and Data Fund, where contributions to the national party will be earmarked for the improved use of technology to attract more votes to the GOP.

Yes, that’s it. Ya’ll just need more technology to get more votes.

The backwards ass thinking doesn’t matter.

490 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:44:40pm

re: #319 CuriousLurker

*narrows eyes, looks around room* Wait—did she just insult us??

*unsheathes scimitar, tiptoes out door behind calochortus…*

No, no, no! I would never insult someone with a scimitar!

Klys, I owe you for my deliverance.

491 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:45:20pm

re: #490 calochortus

No, no, no! I would never insult someone with a scimitar!

Klys, I owe you for my deliverance.

Watch out!
She has a genie!

492 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:45:29pm

re: #485 dog philosopher

I lived in both CA and FL, and the lack of “seasons” is the reason I disliked living in either place.

493 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:47:04pm

re: #486 dog philosopher

the italian constitution requires that the government get at least one vote of no confidence in any 12 month period

LOLOL

494 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:47:12pm
“What we are doing is designed to leapfrog the Democrats by revitalizing our operations to benefit Republicans up and down the ballot for cycles to come,” Priebus said.

Yes, leapfrog them Democrats on the technology front.

Just like Mittens was going to win the election.

Let’s have another SillyBuster up in this beyatch.

495 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:48:04pm
496 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:48:48pm

I moved from the Bay Area to Hawaii.

Bay Area = Four Seasons Light
Hawaii = Two Seasons: Warm, Hot

497 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:49:02pm

re: #491 Varek Raith

Watch out!
She has a genie!

Eeek!

498 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:49:09pm

re: #487 klys

Winter is my favorite season.

Summer can bite my ass.

re: #492 Justanotherhuman

I lived in both CA and FL, and the lack of “seasons” is the reason I disliked living in either place.

i guess i’ll never understand it

i like it to be warm and sunny as much as possible - within the bounds of comfort

499 EPR-radar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:50:44pm

OT, but amusing. At RedState, there is a fine crop of wingnut tears here: redstate.com

They haz a sad over the cloture vote in the Senate.

Oddly enough, when I looked there a non-wingnut with the provocative user name “youwillneverwintheexecutiveaga” hadn’t had all of his/her posts deleted yet.

500 dog philosopher  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:52:20pm

actual bay area seasons:

november thru january: fall - rainy and in the 50s
february and march: spring - rainy and in the 60s
april thru october: summer - sunny and about 72 degrees

i tell californians that what they call ‘winter’, in the rest of the country is known as ‘october’

501 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:53:35pm

re: #500 dog philosopher

actual bay area seasons:

november thru january: fall - rainy and in the 50s
february and march: spring - rainy and in the 60s
april thru october: summer - sunny and about 72 degrees

i tell californians that what they call ‘winter’, in the rest of the country is known as ‘october’

From your mouth to God’s ear with regards to the rainy part.

502 Cheechako  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:53:57pm

Rain….you want more rain? Move up to SE Alaska and you’ll get all the rain you want. Here’s the forecast for the next 7 days:

Today: Numerous showers…then rain in the afternoon. Highs around 51. Southeast wind 10 to 20 mph…higher gusts to 30 mph.

Tonight: Rain. Lows around 44. Southeast wind 10 to 20 mph.

Saturday: Rain. Highs around 53. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph.

Saturday Night: Mostly cloudy. Chance of rain. Lows around 42. Northeast wind 10 mph.

Sunday: Mostly cloudy. Highs around 55. Northeast wind 10 mph.

Sunday Night Through Monday Night: Mostly cloudy. Lows around 41. Highs around 53.

Tuesday And Tuesday Night: Mostly cloudy. Chance of rain. Highs around 54. Lows around 40.

Wednesday And Wednesday Night: Mostly cloudy. Chance of rain. Highs around 54. Lows around 40.

Thursday: Rain likely. Highs around 53.

503 calochortus  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:57:37pm

re: #502 Cheechako

I do like rain, but what we need is normal rain here. It’s been dry.

As for CA weather, back when we lived in PA the folks on “Weather World” used to read the poem below every year. Now that we live in CA, we just snicker about it every Nov.

November

No sun - no moon!
No morn - no noon -
No dawn - no dusk - no proper time of day.
No warmth, no cheerfulness, no healthful ease,
No comfortable feel in any member -
No shade, no shine, no butterflies, no bees,
No fruits, no flowers, no leaves, no birds! -
November!
Thomas Hood

504 compound_Idaho  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:59:08pm

re: #502 Cheechako

About the coldest I have ever been was near Petersburg, AK. 32 degrees mixed rain and snow for days on end.

ps … and I know what -40 feels like.

505 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:59:16pm
506 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:00:44pm

He’s linking to Krauthamer(sp?) who pisses all over Rouhani and PBO in an effort to reduce the impact of today’s historic event.

507 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:01:52pm

Living on the Gulf Coast is way different from Canada obviously, but the first year I was down here there was a brief flurry of snow (lasted maybe 3 minutes) in January.

Winter temps around here can dip a few degrees below freezing, ice is not unheard of on the colder days but snow (thanks to the moisture from the Gulf) is rare. Go a few hours north to Jackson though and snow is a relatively common occurrence in winter.

What I really miss are the leaves changing color in Autumn.

508 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:02:40pm

re: #505 darthstar

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Don’t miss my toadbat. As described here.

509 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:03:35pm
510 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:04:02pm
511 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:04:18pm

re: #509 freetoken

Behold the power of the Koch bros. machine.

512 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:04:27pm

re: #480 blueraven

If the supreme leader didn’t want Rouhani signaling they were ready to work with us, he wouldn’t be doing so.
He is not out there doing this without a nod from them.

Agreed. I think Iran is interested in negotiations. I suspect a large part of the reason he was chosen is because of his successful negotiations with the US in the Iran Contra deal. He’s good at what he does.

513 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:04:55pm

Ah, Keats.

Four Seasons fill the measure of the year;
There are four seasons in the mind of man:
He has his lusty Spring, when fancy clear
Takes in all beauty with an easy span:
He has his Summer, when luxuriously
Spring’s honied cud of youthful thought he loves
To ruminate, and by such dreaming high
Is nearest unto heaven: quiet coves
His soul has in its Autumn, when his wings
He furleth close; contented so to look
On mists in idleness—to let fair things
Pass by unheeded as a threshold brook.
He has his Winter too of pale misfeature,
Or else he would forego his mortal nature.

514 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:10:58pm

OT, but I am sharing this.

Doctor Who fans plan to turn New York Doctor Blue for 50th anniversary

It has featured in a handful of Doctor Who adventures including the moment the Doctor saved New Yorkers from being turned into pigs in Daleks in Manhattan. But now fans want the Empire State Building to honour the show’s fiftieth birthday by turning “Tardis blue”.

Link to petition.

515 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:13:47pm

So what’s the latest RWNJ derp about Obama’s implication that Iran is easier to negotiate with than the GOP?

516 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:15:31pm
517 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:16:18pm

re: #516 Dark_Falcon

Thanks for the plug.

518 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:18:18pm

re: #502 Cheechako

Believe me, I have actually entertained the idea of moving to Alaska.

519 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:18:27pm

re: #509 freetoken

Odd split between Lebanon and Jordan.

520 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:21:10pm

Mind the cannon.

521 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:22:02pm

re: #519 jaunte

Odd split between Lebanon and Jordan.

It could simply be a sample bias by the survey team. However, Lebanon is on the sea and many Lebanese will associate themselves with the Med, so perhaps they are aware that sea level rise will affect them.

522 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:23:25pm

re: #517 Eclectic Cyborg

Thanks for the plug.

Happy to help.

523 klys  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:24:13pm

Hmm, which will happen first: 4000 comments or 10000 karma?

524 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:27:02pm

Ted Cruz has framed the cheap Gonzales Flag reproduction, the one with “Come and Take It” set in Helvetica.

525 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:28:24pm

re: #523 klys

Hmm, which will happen first: 4000 comments or 10000 karma?

Yes!

526 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:31:43pm

re: #525 Dancing along the light of day

Yes!

Hello, Floral! Long time no see.

527 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:33:15pm

Despite near certainty in new UN report, a climate of denial persists

pri.org

(This is a short audio w/a link to a older and longer article about climate change and cognitive dissonance by Sandman.)

528 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:34:10pm

Come and Take My Green Eggs and Ham. No one takes them, no one can.

529 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:35:25pm

re: #527 Justanotherhuman

Denial of climate change has become a badge of honor in the know-nothing crowd. It means they have resisted the delusion from Satan’s tool, the UN, and Satan’s favorite son, the Kenyan.

530 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:35:40pm

re: #526 Dark_Falcon

Glad to be back & missed, too!
Waves at DF!

531 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:36:47pm

A major development in a case we’ve talked about here:

Florida woman sentenced to 20 years for firing warning shot at abusive husband gets new trial

After unsuccessfully invoking Florida’s controversial Stand Your Ground law, Marissa Alexander will now get a second chance to prove that she fired a warning shot at her husband because she felt threatened.

Although Duval County Judge James H. Daniel rejected the idea of using Stand Your Ground laws as a defense, he granted Alexander a new trial Thursday, allowing her to prove to the jury that the shot was indeed fired in self-defense.

“We reject her contention that the trial court erred in declining to grant her immunity from prosecution under Florida’s SYG law, but we remand for a new trial because the jury instructions on self-defense were erroneous,” Daniel wrote, according to a report by ABC.

Alexander’s case, with the reference to SYG, was often paralleled with the Trayvon Martin shooting. However, when positioned next to each other details were often sparse and centered on race. For example, the Martin incident resulted in the acquittal of a white neighborhood watch volunteer who pursued and shot to death an unarmed black teen, whereas Alexander’s story resulted in her, a black female, getting 20 year in prison for firing a warning shot at her abusive, estranged husband.

532 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:36:59pm

re: #530 Dancing along the light of day

Glad to be back & missed, too!
Waves at DF!

w/b

533 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:37:19pm

re: #509 freetoken

We’re the most individualistic and consumer-oriented of any other country and you could say, the most selfish.

534 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:38:33pm

re: #533 Justanotherhuman

I just want MINE!
///

535 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:42:46pm

re: #534 Dancing along the light of day

I just want MINE!
///

That’s what my 3 yr old g-grandson says about everything: Mine!

But he’s 3 and there’s time…

536 Bubblehead II  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:47:19pm

Evening Lizards. Some idiot has just paid $943,000 to emulate Kneivels jump over the Snake river canyon. Paged.

537 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:23:01pm

re: #516 Dark_Falcon

The people of Bangladesh need to be able to live in better circumstances.

Hope they get the better wages. I’ll pay the meager difference in cost.

538 prairiefire  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:28:38pm

re: #195 A Man for all Seasons

We’re moving forward, no doubt.

539 prairiefire  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:35:51pm

...

540 prairiefire  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:41:49pm

re: #254 bratwurst

How about when Nixon went to China, before the purge.

541 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Sep 28, 2013 1:11:15am

re: #447 klys

Prove for any integer n, if n is a multiple of three, then n^2 will be a multiple of three with a direct proof.

This is what I’m ignoring for the afternoon.

Will this work? I’m rusty, but i want to give it a go.

Given n=3x, where x is an integer.
n2 = (3x)2
n2 = 32 * n2
n2 = 3 * 3n2
∴n2 is a multiple of 3


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