CNN Poll: US Public Will Blame the GOP for Government Shutdown

It’s pretty obvious who’s the offender
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The latest CNN poll on the government shutdown shows that the American public isn’t falling for the Republican Party’s attempt to reverse victim and offender: CNN Poll: Republicans Would Bear the Brunt of Shutdown Blame.

Washington (CNN) — If the federal government shuts down starting Tuesday because of a bitter partisan battle over the new health care law, more people say congressional Republicans rather than President Barack Obama would be responsible, according to a new national survey.

A CNN/ORC International poll released Monday morning, hours before funding for the government is scheduled to run out, also indicates that most Americans think Republicans in Congress are acting like spoiled children in this fiscal fight, with the public divided on whether the president is acting like a spoiled child or a responsible adult.

And six in 10 questioned in the survey say they want Congress to approve a budget agreement to avoid a government shutdown, and if it happens, most people say a shutdown would be a bad thing for the country.

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1 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:22:09am

It should be a majority but I get that 36% of the population probably blame Obama for 9/11 too and everything else bad that has happened to this country. I’m just hoping there’s a backlash at the polls against the GOP. It needs to happen. The GOP needs to be told via the polls by the American people that we’re not going to let our country be treated as the victim of their tantrum over the fact that Barack Obama first won the presidency, later got health care reform passed, and then had the nerve to win re-election.

2 b.d.  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:22:10am

“I think one of the things that people want us to do here is to play a blame game. We’ve got to solve problems. We’re problem-solvers. There will be ample time for people to figure out what went right and what went wrong. - George W. Bush

3 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:22:41am

Not to worry, the media will soon work the MBF’s little tush off trying to portray Obama as equally to blame, if not more so, for not giving in when the GOP has so obviously “compromise” by “settling” for a 1 year delay.

4 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:22:50am

One presumes that a substantial portion of the voting public remembers 1995. If there’s anything people are good at, it’s falling into comfortable preconceived notions, and the comfortable preconceived notion about government shutdowns is that Republican Congresses cause them.

It’s nice when the lazy line of thinking dovetails so nicely with what is actually happening.

5 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:23:01am

Where is Bryan Fischer to tell us to “respect the will of the people”? ///

6 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:23:19am

re: #3 Targetpractice

Not to worry, the media will soon work the MBF’s little tush off trying to portray Obama as equally to blame, if not more so, for not giving in when the GOP has so obviously “compromise” by “settling” for a 1 year delay.

It’d be easier to just dust off twenty-year-old articles.

7 Olsonist  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:24:29am

And the Tea Party will blame the GOP for not shutting down the government.

8 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:25:09am

re: #6 erik_t

It’d be easier to just dust off twenty-year-old articles.

This just in, President Clinton continues to refuse to accept Republican demands for a balanced budget.

///

9 b.d.  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:25:34am

But, but, but Rush may call them bad names if they don’t blow up the government now.

10 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:26:43am
11 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:27:47am

re: #10 Kragar

Deep thinker, this Bryan Fischer. //

12 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:28:15am

re: #10 Kragar

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Sigh, what a retard. And yes I said retard and I apologize for that but goddamn this is the kind of thinking that gets us “Evolution is just a theory!”.

13 b.d.  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:28:15am

re: #10 Kragar

lol, essential like the:

Director of Issue Analysis, American Family Association

?

14 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:28:43am

re: #10 Kragar

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We could lay-off all the chaplains —the House’s, the Senate’s and the Miltiary’s.

15 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:28:44am

re: #11 Bulworth

Deep thinker, this Bryan Fischer. //

I’m surprised he doesn’t function without shitting himself*
*Not that I know if he does

16 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:29:02am

Mark Levin: ‘Screw the stock market!’ and shut down government

On his radio show last week, Levin expressed frustration with media reports that a government shutdown could hurt the economy.

“Not once have a seen a news report on the debt in this nation!” he shouted. “We’re talking about, in addition to the continuation resolution [to fund the government] — the reason we need, quote-unquote, continuing resolution is because Harry Reid had blocked every damn budget that has been passed by the House of Representatives.”

“But this debt ceiling, there’s no talk about the debt,” he continued. “It’s all, ‘Hey, what’s the effect on the stock market?’ Screw the stock market! It goes up, it goes down.”

Levin added that the fight to defund President Barack Obama’s health care reform law was “about saving the republic, what’s left of it.”

17 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:29:40am

re: #14 FemNaziBitch

We could lay-off all the chaplains —the House’s, the Senate’s and the Miltiary’s.

No can’t do that but fucking over people who have a job is just fine by Bryan the fuckface. He doesn’t have a real job. He’s a professional whiner.

18 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:29:41am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

I’m surprised he doesn’t function without shitting himself*
*Not that I know if he does

That’s the only time that he actually does function.

19 calochortus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:30:26am

Good morning (or afternoon, as applicable.) Too Much Housework here. I try to do a really thorough cleaning every year-more honored in the breach than the observance. But this year I’m really doing it and am so sick of it I could scream.

I’m taking a break here and am, strangely, not finding it restful.
Why can’t our idiot government actually govern?
Why can’t TPers see beyond “the last shutdown didn’t hurt me so who cares?
I just don’t get it.

20 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:30:38am

Fringe radio talk-show host complaining about how some people have non-essential jobs == my irony meter asplode

21 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:30:47am

re: #16 Kragar

Mark Levin: ‘Screw the stock market!’ and shut down government

I’m sure the Wall Street wing of the GOP that spent billions astroturfing the Tea Party loved hearing that.

22 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:30:49am

Remember, the GOP does not believe in any poll that does not support preconceived notions or indicates that their candidate is losing.

23 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:30:50am

re: #16 Kragar

But Dems still to blame for shutdown teabag party repubs want. //

24 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:31:30am


Here’s a thought — maybe if the House GOP wasn’t filled with a bunch of ignorant fuckwits, Sir John of Orange wouldn’t be in this mess.

25 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:31:37am

re: #23 Bulworth

But Dems still to blame for shutdown teabag party repubs want. //

It looks like the seekrit signal is coming from Ted “Darth Vader” Cruz

26 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:31:59am

re: #4 erik_t

One presumes that a substantial portion of the voting public remembers 1995. If there’s anything people are good at, it’s falling into comfortable preconceived notions, and the comfortable preconceived notion about government shutdowns is that Republican Congresses cause them.

It’s nice when the lazy line of thinking dovetails so nicely with what is actually happening.

Assume nothing. Public is amnesiac when it comes to politics. Witness attempts in some quarters for disgraced politicians to reenter politics despite violating public trust.

The GOP screwed with the nation with the last shutdown. They keep threatening shutdowns over their refusal to accept the ACA as settled law. Defund. Delay. Destroy. That’s their program.

Continuing resolutions for the ACA. That’s what this boils down to.

Debt ceiling for ACA. That’s the alternative.

In both instances, the GOP wants to circumvent the political process to get their view imposed despite losing at national elections.

The media and GOP will obfuscate and ignore that the GOP are furthering this crisis by making demands that don’t pass the smell test.

Heck, their fallback - a 1 week continuing CR is also laughable, because why would anyone agree to a deal that puts us back in the same exact position and we draw another week closer to the debt ceiling too.

Unreasonable demands deserve scorn and derision. The GOP is putting the nation in this mess - and deserve all the blame for it.

27 calochortus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:32:26am

re: #21 Lidane

I’m sure the Wall Street wing of the GOP that spent billions astroturfing the Tea Party loved hearing that.

Buying opportunity.

28 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:32:41am
29 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:32:57am

Bachmann: “We’re very excited. It’s exactly what we wanted, and we got it.”

But remember, the shutdown is totally Obama’s fault.
/

30 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:33:15am

re: #20 erik_t

Fringe radio talk-show host complaining about how some people have non-essential jobs == my irony meter asplode

I can think of no job more useless than being a fringe talk radio host.

31 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:33:37am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

I can think of no job more useless than being a fringe talk radio host.

United States Congressman.

32 calochortus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:33:46am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

I can think of no job more useless than being a fringe talk radio host.

And yet often highly remunerative.

33 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:34:04am
34 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:34:08am

re: #29 Kragar

Bachmann: “We’re very excited. It’s exactly what we wanted, and we got it.”

But remember, the shutdown is totally Obama’s fault.
/

I am glad she’s excited that people are going to get screwed but what does she care. She’s still going to get paid. She’ll still get a pension even though she did nothing constructive in government.

35 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:34:29am
36 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:34:45am

re: #22 Sol Berdinowitz

Remember, the GOP does not believe in any poll that does not support preconceived notions or indicates that their candidate is losing.

Exactly. I was just about to point out that the people who don’t believe the GOP will take the blame here are the same folks who were sure Romney would win despite all evidence to the contrary.

37 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:35:02am

re: #35 Vicious Babushka

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Come to table of course means do whatever the hell we want or we shut down the government. Terrorist shitbag.

38 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:35:18am

How exactly is Wall Street reacting to this?

I’ve been concentrating on my personal niche of interest.

39 jaunte  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:35:34am
40 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:35:35am

re: #25 Vicious Babushka

It looks like the seekrit signal is coming from Ted “Darth Vader” Cruz

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They keep trying to portray this as Democrats “not coming to the table.” Yes folks, they have the gall, after months of refusal to put name a committee to tackle reconciling the House and Senate budget bills, to declare that Democrats are the ones who won’t negotiate.

41 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:35:40am

Essential versus nonessential. the short version

FAA air traffic controllers - essential
FAA secretaries that manage paperwork for ATCs, non essential.

NPS - police - essential
NPS guides and facilities people - non essential (even though some people might have to trek hundreds of miles out of the way to go around national parks in places like Southern UT, CA, WY/ID/MT, since the main roads in those areas run through the parks and they’d be forced to close.

Even though a secretary might be deemed non essential, anyone working in a work situation knows that secretaries and office support staff are essential to getting work done.

42 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:36:10am

BECAUSE SHUTDOWN MEANS NO MOAR BENGHAZI INVESTAGASHUNZ YOU MORON

43 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:36:14am

re: #5 Bulworth

Where is Bryan Fischer to tell us to “respect the will of the people”? ///

As long as he gets to define which people’s will we need to respect.

44 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:36:35am

This is how I will forever remember Michelle Bachmann.

Youtube Video

as an Idiot.

45 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:36:40am

re: #35 Vicious Babushka

Call the waaaaaaammmmbulance

46 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:37:44am
47 calochortus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:37:57am

re: #38 FemNaziBitch

How exactly is Wall Street reacting to this?

I’ve been concentrating on my personal niche of interest.

Well, the Dow is down 90 and a lot of folks are nervous as far as I can tell.

48 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:38:13am

re: #35 Vicious Babushka

Reid also refusing to “come to the table” with teabag party to calmly, rationally discuss impeaching PBO. //

49 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:38:20am
50 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:39:13am

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

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Yeah those poor multimillionaires who may have to spend a little more on their employees health insurance. I’m crying so hard for them Erick. Give me a fucking break, before ACA, I could be denied insurance because of a condition I have no control over. And there are millions of Americans like me.

51 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:39:30am

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

How about people helped by Obamacare? Does the GOP sincerely believe no one is helped by Obamacare? Simple question.

52 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:40:02am

If you are looking for a distraction from this looming disaster, I can offer:

22 Outstanding and Hilarious Neighbo(u)r Complaint Notes

53 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:40:19am

re: #49 Vicious Babushka

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Reagan’s synchophants wish that Reagan was half as fiscally conservative as Obama is. Reagan is the biggest fraud ever to be called President of these United States.

54 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:40:20am

To Bryan Fischer, respecting the will of the people means that the local mouth breather who got voted into office from Podunk, Texas, chief exports scorpion shit and cacti, is more important than the President who won a national election.

55 Interesting Times  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:41:01am

re: #51 Bulworth

How about people helped by Obamacare? Does the GOP sincerely believe no one is helped by Obamacare?

only brown people and the 47% moochers who pay no tax. derp.

56 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:41:22am

We’re fucked.

57 calochortus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:41:36am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Yeah those poor multimillionaires who may have to spend a little more on their employees health insurance. I’m crying so hard for them Erick. Give me a fucking break, before ACA, I could be denied insurance because of a condition I have no control over. And there are millions of Americans like me.

Heck, I was once denied insurance because I had a breast biopsy which showed I didn’t have cancer…

58 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:42:00am

re: #47 calochortus

Well, the Dow is down 90 and a lot of folks are nervous as far as I can tell.

There is something going on here I haven’t quite figured-out.

Why would the GOP want to upset Wall Street? The economy is supposed to be their big issue- no?

Wonder who is making money in this.

59 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:42:12am

Mom’s “unconventional tactic”=public shaming, like the good old-fashioned pillory. Arrest this mom.

60 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:42:59am

re: #57 calochortus

Heck, I was once denied insurance because I had a breast biopsy which showed I didn’t have cancer…

Our system needs so much improvement, it’s not even funny. And the reason for that is moronic conservatives like Mr. Erickson there who want the government to be in the business of “slut shaming” but don’t want it helping its citizenry out.

61 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:43:19am

re: #56 Lidane

We’re fucked.

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62 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:43:47am

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

Mom’s “unconventional tactic”=public shaming, like the good old-fashioned pillory. Arrest this mom.

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I don’t see it as being particularly effective. I see the kids getting “high-fives” from their friends.

63 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:43:50am

re: #56 Lidane

Fate of country depends on House being able to vote on a clean CR.

64 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:44:28am

re: #58 FemNaziBitch

There is something going on here I haven’t quite figured-out.

Why would the GOP want to upset Wall Street? The economy is supposed to be their big issue- no?

Wonder who is making money in this.

This is the raise of the populist right (fuck it all) taking over the more corporate right (fuck it all except for corporate America). Not that the latter doesn’t suck but the latter is less batshit insane. The former insane and greedy, the latter merely greedy.

65 piratedan  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:44:55am

what a great gig, lose the election for your national agenda and attempt to implement it by coercion and blackmail and when called on it, get to blame it all on the other guy because you can say anything and the people that are supposed to report the facts report factually that you just said something and said nothingwhatsoever about its truthfulness….

kinda makes all those lifelong parables about do unto others and having faith and tolerance and goodwill towards others and treating others as you would like yourself be treated was simply so much bullshit.

66 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:45:43am

re: #38 FemNaziBitch

Muted response. While down about 100pts, they also know that the history with this GOP and their extortionist methods will eventually come to a deal of sorts. Probably within a few hours to a couple of days after the deadline passes when the GOP leadership realizes the President and Democrats wont cave to their extortionist demands. Clean CR passes, and retroactive payments made.

The net effect on business would be slight.

It only will weigh on the markets if the shutdown becomes protracted.

For the markets, IMO the far bigger concern is the debt ceiling since it would directly affect lending, credit, and would have far greater costs.

67 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:46:00am

How can people be “already hurt” by a program that doesn’t even begin until tomorrow?

68 calochortus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:46:19am

re: #58 FemNaziBitch

There is something going on here I haven’t quite figured-out.

Why would the GOP want to upset Wall Street? The economy is supposed to be their big issue- no?

Wonder who is making money in this.

There is always someone who makes money. In this case, I’d say a lot of business people are horrified with what the conservatives are doing, but there will be commissions to be made as people sell their stocks and buy bonds or gold or something. And it might create some buying opportunities if stocks drop significantly and the economy isn’t driven into another recession.

69 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:46:20am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

This is the raise of the populist right (fuck it all) taking over the more corporate right (fuck it all except for corporate America). Not that the latter doesn’t suck but the latter is less batshit insane. The former insane and greedy, the latter merely greedy.

Large fluctuations in the market create opportunity for big windfalls for those with insider knowledge. Hard to prove …

70 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:47:04am

In a stunning turn around no one expected…

Senate Defeats House GOP’s Delay Obamacare Bill

71 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:47:25am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

How can people be “already hurt” by a program that doesn’t even begin until tomorrow?

@SenLeeComs
CNN already talking to people who will be hurt by gov shutdown. Can’t seem to find any of the millions who are ALREADY hurt by Obamacare

Huh. I wonnnnnder why.

72 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:47:59am

re: #63 Bulworth

Fate of country depends on House being able to vote on a clean CR.

Which means it depends on Boehner deciding that leading and doing what is right for the country is more important than the damn Hastert Rule and possibly his Speakership. Since he hasn’t had much backbone for leadership above partisanship and his personal career previously I don’t hold out much hope here for a sudden change in behavior.

73 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:48:16am
74 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:48:17am

Cruz wants the Democrats to “come to the table”? Alright, we’ll start the Dem demands with an end to the sequester, reverting tax rates to pre-Bush levels, and guaranteed passage of the Jobs Bill that languished in the House before dying an ignominious death with the end of the last session of Congress.

75 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:49:22am

We’re told to get a job. Okay, some of us thought the Federal Government wasn’t a bad idea to start because stability and our skill sets match what the feds look for. So, we get a job, and now the GOP is telling us sorry but fuck you, our anti ACA tantrum means more. These guys have no right to accuse the President of not doing anything to help the job market when they’re threatening to shut down the federal government because they can’t handle the fact that ACA exists and is law.

76 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:49:45am

Having been forcibly exposed to Fox TV all weekend (don’t ask), I’ve learned that they are repeating the phrase “that the people don’t want” in relation to Obamacare. Also “millions don’t want”.

Now, we all know that a phrase repeated over and over becomes truth in the mind of the hearer.

It’s so very obvious that Fox isn’t fair and balanced.

77 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:49:48am

re: #35 Vicious Babushka

Except that there’s no table. There’s no bargaining, there’s no compromise to be had because your side FUCKING lost and you won’t accept it!

78 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:50:27am

Hard to describe how it feels today on the eve of shutdown as I finish off a paper review in the office. But pretty similar to how it feels on election day, an overall angst, and an increasing anticipation of what will happen. Only in this case while the government won’t change hands, my daily schedule could be completely thrown off balance. A little disorienting.

79 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:50:58am

We really need a meme about the Republicans being the Christian equivalent to the Muslim Brotherhood to take off.

80 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:51:05am

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

Except that there’s no table. There’s no bargaining, there’s no compromise to be had because your side FUCKING lost and you won’t accept it!

Listen, and understand. The GOP is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

81 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:51:33am

re: #80 Kragar

That sounds like the Daleks.

82 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:51:42am

re: #80 Kragar

So the GOP is the Borg collective?

83 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:52:35am

re: #81 ProTARDISLiberal

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

I am disappoint.

84 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:53:15am

re: #80 Kragar

Listen, and understand. The GOP is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

While being force-fed Fox this weekend, I noticed some quiet efforts to not be a fundamentalist mouth-piece.

I’ve been noticing the trend for a couple of months.

Perhaps they are making an effort to APPEAR middle-of-the-road just in time for 2016?

I believe it about as much as I believe the New Pope is going to change the Church.

85 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:53:31am

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

So the GOP is the Borg collective?

The Borg had no God, IIRC.

86 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:53:36am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

A couple million people are benefiting from Obamacare right now - those who no longer have to worry about preexisting conditions as impediment (with full elimination of the preexisting conditions clauses 1/1/2014, and those who are dependents under age 26.

Census bureau found that 393,000 more people were now covered by insurance because of the age adjustment for dependents for the most recent year (2011) for which statistics were available.

87 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:54:08am

Also, not that it needs to be said but imagine if this situation were reversed:

We had a GOP President, a GOP Senate and a Dem controlled House. The GOP manage to get through a draconian set of abortion restrictions and the Dem controlled house holds repeal vote after repeal vote on it, apparently desperate to stop it however they can.

Can’t you imagine how all “It’s the law, dipshits and YOU can’t do anything about it!” the wingnuts would be in that scenario?

88 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:54:16am

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

This post is being nominated for a Winning The Internets award.

89 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:54:37am

re: #83 Kragar

I apologize, I know there was a reference there, but it sadly slipped me by.

90 calochortus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:54:40am

re: #86 lawhawk

Oh, the Horror!

91 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:54:54am

WTFITS?

92 b.d.  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:55:16am

re: #47 calochortus

Well, the Dow is down 90 and a lot of folks are nervous as far as I can tell.

Would love to know how many of the GOP congressfolks have been short selling?

93 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:55:34am

upworthy.com

Louis C.K.

94 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:56:10am

re: #76 FemNaziBitch

Having been forcibly exposed to Fox TV all weekend (don’t ask), I’ve learned that they are repeating the phrase “that the people don’t want” in relation to Obamacare. Also “millions don’t want”.

Now, we all know that a phrase repeated over and over becomes truth in the mind of the hearer.

It’s so very obvious that Fox isn’t fair and balanced.

Fox never talks about those who thought it didn’t go far enough. What truly annoys me is the revisionism on the issue. This law was their alternative to what the Clintons wanted in the 90’s. This was what the Heritage Foundation wanted. The Heritage Foundation, the most right wing of think tanks with political influence and it is what Obama’s opponent did on a state level yet Obama proposed the same and got passed the same deal on a federal level and we’re supposed to believe that not only is this unsound policy but it’s also tyrannical? I don’t know who the people are that make up the board of directors at Fox are but they’re selling millions of people lies simply to stir up anti-Obama sentiment and that’s a damn shame.

95 piratedan  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:56:17am

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS?

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now there’s a man who has no idea that he’s been into his daughter’s stash of hash brownies…..

96 jaunte  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:56:21am
97 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:56:52am

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

How the hell do you become independently dependent on anything?

98 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:57:33am

re: #97 Lidane

Word salad surgery.

99 jaunte  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:58:09am

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

Once again Bryan Fischer circles the square.

100 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:58:36am

Youtube copyright bots finally tick off someone who understands copyright law

Harvard law professor and Creative Commons co-founder Lawrence Lessig knows a thing or two about copyright law. So when a record company demanded that he remove a video from YouTube that featured one of their artists’ songs, he not only fought back to keep the clip online, but has now sued that record company in the hopes of getting it, and others, to stop using auto-scanning technology to take advantage of consumers who may not know their rights.

This all began back in 2010, when Lessig gave a keynote address at a Creative Commons conference in South Korea. During the 49-minute lecture (which you can watch above), he showed how people from around the world had made their own versions of a music videos for “Lisztomania,” a song by French musicians Phoenix.

Given that Section 107 of the Copyright Act permits “fair use” of copyrighted materials “for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research,” Lessig shouldn’t have been concerned that the video of his lecture contained copyrighted material, as it was all being shown in the spirit of the fair use doctrine.

“If I’m using it for purposes of critique, then I can use if even if I don’t have permission of the original copyright owner,” he explains to NPR.
Things went fine until June 2013. Within a short period of time, YouTube received takedown notices related to this lecture video from both Viacom and Liberation Music, the Australian record company that holds the copyright to the Phoenix song.

101 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:59:14am

re: #86 lawhawk

Yeah but what about ALL the people HURT by Obamacare!?!?!111?

You know, like Republicans, victimized by someone else being eligible for comprehensive and affordable healthcare??!1

102 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:59:19am

CONFIRMED. FACT.
A bunch of wingnut sites are all echoing this meme so I have no way to verify it.

103 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:59:47am

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

Allow me to translate from wingnut-ese.

He’s talking about being dependent on God for your needs, not the government. By “independent” he means “off the government teat”.

104 calochortus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:59:53am

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS?

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My takeaway? We ought to let a bunch of 7 year olds run the country as long as they talk to priests. Oh, wait. We’re already doing that.

105 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:00:05pm
106 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:00:11pm

Further n0bamacare disaster and outrage:

Health plans on Texas exchange priced below national average

oh noes

107 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:00:46pm

re: #100 Eclectic Cyborg

Youtube copyright bots finally tick off someone who understands copyright law

I am amused by this. My second-year law classes in grad school focused on digital law, including copyright and IP. We studied Lessig extensively.

I can’t wait to see where this goes.

108 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:01:10pm

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

CONFIRMED. FACT.
A bunch of wingnut sites are all echoing this meme so I have no way to verify it.

Now we know. Implementing Obamacare will bring back The Fairness Doctrine!! ////

109 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:01:22pm

re: #105 FemNaziBitch

true or false?

and every last penny was wasted on that. Fine by them if they want to do if they get one of their own in the WH, but there was no way that firstly the said would pass a repeal and later President Obama would do that. But they don’t care. They have to show off for their constituents.

110 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:01:49pm

I don’t recall any government shutdown in the 80’s.

111 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:02:24pm

And shouting but you did it too about a Congressional leader who was last speaker of the House before many of us were born is a shittastic strategy.

112 b.d.  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:02:25pm

re: #108 Bulworth

Now we know. Implementing Obamacare will bring back The Fairness Doctrine!! ////

The Fairness Doctrine!?!1!?! The very name of it sounds horrible!!

113 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:02:26pm

Of course, Fox comes out with its own push polling finding that Obama is to blame for the looming shutdown.

Then again, this isn’t an actual poll offered up by a respected national polling group, but an Internet poll of Fox Nation users who are self-selected by their very nature to abhor anything that includes the words Obama and/or care.

114 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:02:28pm

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS?

independently dependent

wat

115 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:02:47pm

re: #106 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Further n0bamacare disaster and outrage:

Health plans on Texas exchange priced below national average

oh noes

OUTRAGE! ARGLE BARGLE! SOSHULISM! ELEVENTY!

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116 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:02:54pm

CNN.com with an appropriate headline:

Democratic-led Senate again rejects proposal by Republican-led House to derail Obamacare

117 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:03:27pm

re: #113 lawhawk

Of course, Fox comes out with its own push polling finding that Obama is to blame for the looming shutdown.

Then again, this isn’t an actual poll offered up by a respected national polling group, but an Internet poll of Fox Nation users who are self-selected by their very nature to abhor anything that includes the words Obama and/or care.

If Obama were president after 9/11, Fox would be banging the drums to someohw blame Obama for that. Fox News at best is a propaganda arm of the GOP. At worst, I don’t even know what it is but it’s fucked up.

118 jaunte  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:03:28pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

Dec. 18-20, 1987: Debate over Nicaragua’s Contra rebels ties up stopgap spending bills and results in a government shutdown. However, because the shutdown occurs over a weekend, there is little practical effect.
huffingtonpost.com

119 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:04:01pm

re: #118 jaunte

And Reagan broke the fucking law by funding the contras. ACA hasn’t broken any law except “Don’t piss off whiny wingnuts.”

120 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:04:29pm

re: #10 Kragar

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To give you an idea of how fucked up the non-essential label is, it includes food and nuclear safety inspectors.

121 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:04:56pm

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

CONFIRMED. FACT.
A bunch of wingnut sites are all echoing this meme so I have no way to verify it.

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Ask for chapter and verse, because IIRC there WERE NO GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS when O’Neill was Speaker. That was Gingrich’s idea, and it was because he didn’t get to ride up front on Air Force One.

And he was CERTAIN that Clinton would catch all the blame.

122 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:05:32pm
Fact: Tip O’Neill shut down the government over the Fairness Doctrine — THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE.

Should be pretty easy to provide a date then.

(inb4 LOOK IT UP URSELF HURFF DURFF)

123 Gus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:05:48pm

re: #118 jaunte

Shutdown occurs over a weekend! Just like Hitler! //

124 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:05:50pm

re: #118 jaunte

There were several shutdowns during the Reagan admin, though most only lasted a few days at most and came down to disagreement over funding this program or that. None were over demands that the White House accept the slow dismemberment of a major domestic accomplishment.

Even this shutdown only lasted until Democrats agreed to drop the Fairness Doctrine demand in exchange for the White House’s agreement to limit support of the Contras to non-lethal means.

125 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:05:55pm

re: #121 GeneJockey

Ask for chapter and verse, because IIRC there WERE NO GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS when O’Neill was Speaker. That was Gingrich’s idea, and it was because he didn’t get to ride up front on Air Force One.

And he was CERTAIN that Clinton would catch all the blame.

The moron underestimated the American people just like Boehner is doing here. When this inevitably back fires on them, I expect Boehner to be devoured up.

126 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:06:26pm

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

washingtonpost.com

There was a shutdown due in part to Fairness Doctrine, but O’Neil wasn’t speaker.

When did it take place? Dec. 18-20, 1987
How long did it last? 1 day
Who was president? Ronald Reagan
Who controlled the Senate? Democrats, 54-46; Robert Byrd was majority leader
Who controlled the House? Democrats, 258-177; Jim Wright was speaker
Why did it happen? Reagan and congressional Democrats could not agree on funding for the Nicaraguan “Contra” militants in time to avoid a shutdown. Additionally, Democrats pushed for a provision reinstating the “Fairness Doctrine,” which required that broadcasters give equal airing to both sides in political disputes, and which the FCC had recently stopped enforcing at the time.
What resolved it? Democrats yielded on the Fairness Doctrine, and a deal was worked out wherein nonlethal aid was provided to the Contras.

Gee, funny how context works.

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:06:31pm

re: #16 Kragar

“But this debt ceiling, there’s no talk about the debt,” he continued. “It’s all, ‘Hey, what’s the effect on the stock market?’ Screw the stock market! It goes up, it goes down.”

and you can’t explain that!!11!!

128 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:08:31pm

I said it tongue in cheek yesterday. Okay, let’s defund and repeal ACA. Do the Democrats to get the seats back in the House that they lost because the Republicans lied about what ACA was? I mean if the Republicans can be totally obtuse on this issue and expect President Obama to let his signature legislative accomplishment that he spent loads of political capital on be ruined, perhaps the Republicans should let Pelosi be speaker again and Obama and the Democrats can propose an even more more comprehensive reform. But nah, we have to give the Republicans everything they want because they’re special children.

129 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:08:46pm

Obamacare report from here in MS

With Gov. Phil Bryant opposed to the federal health care overhaul, state government is mostly on the sidelines in the effort. That’s left a coalition of health advocates, churches and others to push the new law.

Already, some Mississippians have received letters inviting them to sign up. Others might hear about the marketplace at church, a doctor’s office or even the state fair. Supporters hope the first people to sign up will be enthusiastic and tell their friends, boosting a modest marketing budget through word of mouth.

Insurance coverage will start Jan. 1 for those who sign up by Dec. 15. The enrollment period will continue through March 31.

A 2012 study by the Mississippi Center for Health Policy estimated as many as 275,000 Mississippians could gain insurance through the online marketplace, with 230,000 getting federal tax credits to help pay for it. But no one’s sure how precisely many people will sign up or how quickly.

People with incomes between the federal poverty level and four times that amount will be eligible for federal tax credits, on a sliding scale, to help pay for coverage in the online marketplace. That’s a yearly income of $11,500 to

$46,000 for an individual and $23,500 to $94,000 for a family of four. Those with incomes at the top of those at the top of those scales will get little or no subsidy.

People with incomes below poverty level will get no aid from the exchange. Uncovered adults were supposed to be helped by an expanded Medicaid program, but Mississippi leaders chose not to expand that health program.

Bryant also blocked Insurance Commissioner Mike Chaney’s efforts for Mississippi to run its own health insurance exchange, leaving the federal government to run the market. At first, it appeared some counties would get no coverage at all, until Chaney and federal officials persuaded at least one company to cover all 82 counties.

Humana Corp. will cover 40 counties, while Magnolia Health Plan, a unit of St. Louis-based Centene Corp., will serve 46 counties. The two will compete only in Hinds, Madison, Rankin and DeSoto counties.

The sticker price of those plans will be relatively expensive compared with that of other states. The estimated cost of a mid-range plan will be $448 a month in Mississippi, third-highest of 47 states outlined in a Department of Health and Human Services report. The two highest are in Wyoming and Alaska.

Dr. Jason Dees, the CEO of Magnolia, said that’s because Mississippians tend to be sicker than many Americans

Note the last line and then consider that Mississippi has traditionally been one of the reddest states in the Nation. Still think conservative policies really work?

130 Mattand  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:09:15pm

re: #80 Kragar

Listen, and understand. The GOP is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

Best political-themed ref to The Sound of Music ever.

131 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:09:25pm

re: #113 lawhawk

I’d bet anything they had an intern run around the Fox offices conducting the “poll”.

132 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:10:23pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

If Obama were president after 9/11, Fox would be banging the drums to someohw blame Obama for that. Fox News at best is a propaganda arm of the GOP. At worst, I don’t even know what it is but it’s fucked up.

I think you have that wrong. The GOP is the political wing of FOX.
//

133 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:10:36pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

The moron underestimated the American people just like Boehner is doing here. When this inevitably back fires on them, I expect Boehner to be devoured up.

Probably. The sad thing is we’ll get someone worse.

Boehner is mostly just incompetent and out of control. Congress could actually be a lot more malevolent than it has been.

134 Political Atheist  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:10:36pm

re: #96 jaunte

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Ahh finally replacing the worlds worst selfie ever in my memory with that one. Brain is grateful. Geraldo, take note.

135 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:10:59pm

Withdrawn, I got my dates wrong.

136 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:11:21pm

Jeannie has been spamming the “Troubled Hearts” with her snappy one liners, hoping to get a gig as a speech writer for Ted Cruz.
Lamest. Twitter. Feed. Ever.

137 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:11:28pm

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

Obamacare report from here in MS


Note the last line and then consider that Mississippi has traditionally been one of the reddest states in the Nation. Still think conservative policies really work?

That’s left a coalition of health advocates, churches and others to push the new law.

You know who else pushed new health care laws? ///

138 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:12:06pm

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

No way we can compete with this fine, thorough analysis. We’re doomed. //

139 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:12:23pm

Can I compare the current GOP with Saudi Arabia?

Saudi wants Jerusalem —they say everthing will be lollipops and unicorns if Islam get’s it.

GOP wants Roe v. Wade overturned. They say it’s want G-d wants.

Does anyone believe Saudi Arabia?

140 calochortus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:12:45pm

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

Note the last line and then consider that Mississippi has traditionally been one of the reddest states in the Nation. Still think conservative policies really work?

Depends on what they were trying to accomplish with those policies, doesn’t it?

141 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:12:49pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

That wasn’t tied to this bill, though. I remember reading that O’Neill killed the bill, only for it to be revived after Daniel Ortega jetted off to Moscow right after its failure. The timing of Ortega’s trip might have been coincidental, but it put the lie to the idea that the Sandanistas were not Soviet allies.

I guess my broad point is that O’Neil had a shutdown over something more serious than a bunch of morons who can’t accept that ACA is legal.

142 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:13:20pm

re: #130 Mattand

Best political-themed ref to The Sound of Music ever.

“The Hills are alive …with muuuuuu-sic . .”

143 b.d.  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:13:36pm

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

Jeannie has been spamming the “Troubled Hearts” with her snappy one liners, hoping to get a gig as a speech writer for Ted Cruz.
Lamest. Twitter. Feed. Ever.

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What?!?! You don’t love this little jewel?

144 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:13:37pm

re: #140 calochortus

Depends on what they were trying to accomplish with those policies, doesn’t it?

FREEDOM!!!

145 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:13:47pm

re: #51 Bulworth

How about people helped by Obamacare? Does the GOP sincerely believe no one is helped by Obamacare? Simple question.

Only parasitic takers who won’t take any responsibility for their own lives.//

146 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:14:13pm

re: #143 b.d.

What?!?! You don’t love this little jewel?

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Mongo’s head hurts.

147 calochortus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:14:37pm

re: #144 FemNaziBitch

FREEDOM!!!

Always.

148 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:14:47pm

re: #143 b.d.

What?!?! You don’t love this little jewel?

The US government trying to scare Americans with a shutdown is like Hitler trying to scare Jews by threatening to close Auschwitz

Poe’s Law championship contestant of the month.

149 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:15:09pm


Just imagine the shitstorm if Sir John of Orange took them up on it.

150 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:15:32pm

re: #139 FemNaziBitch

Saudi Arabia also tried to commit a small Holocaust in the 30’s.

I hate saying it, but Saudi is another level of evil entirely for various crimes they have committed they have committed in the past 250 years. I would seriously put them at Nazi-level evil.

151 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:15:45pm

re: #133 erik_t

Probably. The sad thing is we’ll get someone worse.

Boehner is mostly just incompetent and out of control. Congress could actually be a lot more malevolent than it has been.

That’s what the sad thing is. Boehner sucks big time but Boehner would probably be replaced by someone like Cantor or someone even worse who has never shown any indication of a desire to work with POTUS. Boehner as I said sucks but the alternative is worse and that’s truly scary given how bad Boehner is.

152 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:15:52pm

re: #143 b.d.

What?!?! You don’t love this little jewel?

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Holy fuck, I didn’t see that one.

153 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:16:03pm

re: #149 Lidane

Just imagine the shitstorm if Sir John of Orange took them up on it.

He’s going to have to. Even the Kochs ultimately care about the stock market, and if you think Boehner really cares about his caucus or his constituents I have a bridge to sell you.

154 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:16:17pm

re: #149 Lidane

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Just imagine the shitstorm if Sir John of Orange took them up on it.

Pass the CR and invoke the TPers rage…or refuse and invoke the public’s rage as the shutdown drags on. Either way, he’s fucked.

155 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:16:18pm

time to make more coffee …

156 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:16:27pm

re: #143 b.d.

What?!?! You don’t love this little jewel?

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That one is an early entry for the “Week’s 3 Worst Godwins”.

157 Gus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:16:59pm

re: #143 b.d.

What?!?! You don’t love this little jewel?

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There’s a head scratcher.

158 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:17:01pm

re: #149 Lidane

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Just imagine the shitstorm if Sir John of Orange took them up on it.

That’s the thing. Boehner isn’t allowed to be seen doing anything positive with the Democrats by the nuts in the base. The sad thing is and I have no loev for Boehner at all since he doesn’t take a hard enough line with these twits is I imagine deep down he wants to do the right thing but he values his power more than helping the country.

159 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:17:01pm

re: #51 Bulworth

How about people helped by Obamacare? Does the GOP sincerely believe no one is helped by Obamacare? Simple question.

No, of course not! They are WELL aware that the ACA will help millions of people.

That’s exactly why they oppose it, because it will work, and it will work better than what we have now. This is the essence of the ‘Kristol Memo’ - that any healthcare program will work and will get people to see the Democrats as the protectors of the Middle Class.

You don’t have to lie about a bad program to scare people. You only have to lie about good programs to do that.

160 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:17:05pm

re: #149 Lidane

Oh, he will… eventually. Maybe not today, but in a few days when the realization that the GOP will not get a delay,defund, destroy ACA CR passed. Only then will Boehner turn to his caucus and say that he gave it his best shot, but we’ve got to get the budget done.

Then they’re right back at it with a delay, defund, destroy rider to the debt ceiling - except that I don’t think the markets will be nearly as charitable with the GOP extortionists then.

161 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:18:23pm

re: #143 b.d.

What?!?! You don’t love this little jewel?

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I don’t even know what the fuck that means but as someone related to people murdered by the Nazis, I’m sick of wingnuts equating their tantrum with the real horrors of the Third Reich. This isn’t even in the same universe as the Holocaust.

162 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:18:24pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

That’s what the sad thing is. Boehner sucks big time but Boehner would probably be replaced by someone like Cantor or someone even worse who has never shown any indication of a desire to work with POTUS. Boehner as I said sucks but the alternative is worse and that’s truly scary given how bad Boehner is.

Boehner’s in no real danger of being deposed in the immediate future. The angry hamsters in the House Tea Party Caucus will scream bloody murder when the cave in happens, but they lack the votes to do much. Even if they could pull the rest of the party together behind a vote to declare the speakership vacant, there’s no one person they’d all get behind. They could possibly put themselves in a position where Pelosi and the House Dems have the votes to put a more “moderate” speaker in power.

163 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:18:45pm

re: #148 erik_t

Poe’s Law championship contestant of the month.

Jeannie is a deranged wingnut who desperately believes she can write comedy.

164 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:19:05pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Yes. All of that is true. Unfortunately, Boehner is a massive fucking coward.

165 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:19:17pm

re: #143 b.d.

What?!?! You don’t love this little jewel?

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Shouldn’t she be fleeing to Russia for safety if she really feels that way?

166 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:19:31pm

re: #153 erik_t

He’s going to have to. Even the Kochs ultimately care about the stock market, and if you think Boehner really cares about his caucus or his constituents I have a bridge to sell you.

Boehner cares about Boehner. He wants to keep his job. That’s it.

In this case, he’s in a no-win situation. Give in to the Dems and let them help pass the CR, end up primaried. Or shut down the government and get primaried anyway.

167 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:20:03pm

WHY U DIDN’T LIKE MY LITTLE HOLOCAUST JOKE? IT WAS JUST A FUNNY JOKE!!11!! HOW COME MEL BROOKS & SOUTH PARK GET TO MAKE HOLOCAUST JOKES!!!1!!!!

168 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:20:15pm

re: #164 erik_t

Yes. All of that is true. Unfortunately, Boehner is a massive fucking coward.

That goes without saying. Though I imagine at this point it’s not his hide he’s worried so much about as that of his House majority. Drawing the public’s ire probably seems less dangerous than that of the base’s ire. Too many more Atkins running next year and he might be handing the gavel back to Pelosi in ‘15.

169 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:20:15pm

re: #160 lawhawk

Oh, he will… eventually. Maybe not today, but in a few days when the realization that the GOP will not get a delay,defund, destroy ACA CR passed. Only then will Boehner turn to his caucus and say that he gave it his best shot, but we’ve got to get the budget done.

Then they’re right back at it with a delay, defund, destroy rider to the debt ceiling - except that I don’t think the markets will be nearly as charitable with the GOP extortionists then.

I’m thinking Boehner might save breaking the Hastert Rule (and thus provoking his downfall) for the Debt Ceiling vote. But hey, I’ve been wrong before. Apparently, even on this very thread.

170 Mattand  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:20:35pm

re: #142 FemNaziBitch

“The Hills are alive …with muuuuuu-sic . .”

Now do it in Arnold Schwarzenegger’s voice.

On second thought, don’t.

171 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:20:47pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

I hope I didn’t get a Godwin for my comment. I think it is true though.

172 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:20:58pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

That’s what the sad thing is. Boehner sucks big time but Boehner would probably be replaced by someone like Cantor or someone even worse who has never shown any indication of a desire to work with POTUS. Boehner as I said sucks but the alternative is worse and that’s truly scary given how bad Boehner is.

Given Boehner’s track record regarding “negotiating” with Obama or the Senate would Cantor really be that much worse? And possibly Boehner giving way to the Cantor “nightmare” could be part of the necessary wake up call for the GOP and the American public.

173 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:21:27pm

BUT IT’S ALL DEMOCRATZ FAULT!!!1!!!!

174 calochortus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:22:17pm

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

WHY U DIDN’T LIKE MY LITTLE HOLOCAUST JOKE? IT WAS JUST A FUNNY JOKE!!11!! HOW COME MEL BROOKS & SOUTH PARK GET TO MAKE HOLOCAUST JOKES!!!1!!!!

Because they’re funny? And there’s often an actual point underneath the humor?

175 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:22:23pm

re: #172 Feline Fearless Leader

Given Boehner’s track record regarding “negotiating” with Obama or the Senate would Cantor really be that much worse? And possibly Boehner giving way to the Cantor “nightmare” could be part of the necessary wake up call for the GOP and the American public.

The devil you know as the saying goes. Me? I’m holding out hope that a massive backlfash happens at next year’s midterms. Fortunately, I think this will hurt Cuccinnelli big time at the polls here.

176 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:22:43pm

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

Bryant is also a weapons-grade moron.

littlegreenfootballs.com

177 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:22:52pm

re: #170 Mattand

Now do it in Arnold Schwarzenegger’s voice.

On second thought, don’t.

“Daaaaa Hillssss are aliiiive, wit da sound uff Mewww-zikkk!

“Wit zongs dey haff zung, for uh tousand yeeeahs!”

178 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:23:05pm

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

BUT IT’S ALL DEMOCRATZ FAULT!!!1!!!!

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Yeah she’ll be gleeful and then bitch about her veteran family members not getting their benefits.

179 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:23:20pm

re: #58 FemNaziBitch

There is something going on here I haven’t quite figured-out.

Why would the GOP want to upset Wall Street? The economy is supposed to be their big issue- no?

Wonder who is making money in this.

DING DING DING!!!!!

180 Ian G.  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:23:25pm

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

Wait, that’s supposed to be “funny”?

181 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:23:51pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

That goes without saying. Though I imagine at this point it’s not his hide he’s worried so much about as that of his House majority. Drawing the public’s ire probably seems less dangerous than that of the base’s ire. Too many more Atkins running next year and he might be handing the gavel back to Pelosi in ‘15.

Do you think it’ll be his gavel to hand?

I don’t think I do.

182 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:24:11pm

re: #143 b.d.

The US government trying to scare Americans with a shutdown is like Hitler trying to scare Jews by threatening to close Auschwitz.
#tcot
— Jeannie-ology (@Jeanniology)

So threatening to shutdown the government is like threatening to liberate Jews from concentration camps? You can write something this stupid even if you try.

Except Dems are to blame for shutdown, etc. //

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:24:11pm

re: #177 GeneJockey

“Daaaaa Hillssss are aliiiive, wit da sound uff Mewww-zikkk!

“Wit zongs dey haff zung, for uh tousand yeeeahs!”

I hate you. Have an up-ding.

184 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:24:48pm


The Republican government shutdown continues apace.

185 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:26:10pm

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

I hate you. Have an up-ding.

Tank you, tank you! All uv Gullyvooornyuh tanks you!

186 Ian G.  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:26:15pm

re: #16 Kragar

Mark Levin: ‘Screw the stock market!’ and shut down government

Dear Lloyd Blankfein, this is your choice: donate to one party, see your capital gains tax rate up, and maybe you won’t be able to afford the 2nd ski chalet in Zermatt. Donate to the other (Levin’s) and then try to sell the 1st Zermatt chalet, and the condo in Aspen, and the house in Amagansett too, because the Dow Jones just tanked 1500 points and there are margin calls left and right and your fortune is now $250 million less than it was yesterday.

Not a hard call.

187 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:26:30pm

re: #184 Lidane

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The Republican government shutdown continues apace.

Did they discuss refusing their salaries? Oh, no can’t do that but let’s expect veterans to go without benefits because they don’t need it.

188 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:26:40pm

re: #153 erik_t

He’s going to have to. Even the Kochs ultimately care about the stock market, and if you think Boehner really cares about his caucus or his constituents I have a bridge to sell you.

I’m not sure he can, mentally. What John Boehner doesn’t want is to be turfed out of the speakership and then become some lame-duck pariah. The problem is he hasn’t really been willing to risk enough to have a real chance of avoiding that outcome. He really needed to have made the case for actions other than shutdown early this year and then say he either needed his caucus to give him the freedom to speak for them or else accept his resignation.

He also should have pushed for more days in DC, to get members of Congress to be more of their committee and oversight functions. 2013 is not an election year for Congress, so the time was right for that action.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:26:47pm

re: #57 calochortus

Heck, I was once denied insurance because I had a breast biopsy which showed I didn’t have cancer…

This reminds me of people with homeowners and car insurance who debate themselves whether to make a claim…is the almost certain higher future premiums worth making the claim, or is it better to just pay for it quietly and not let the insurance company know…

This is what has happened with health insurance…

190 Mattand  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:26:52pm

re: #159 GeneJockey

No, of course not! They are WELL aware that the ACA will help millions of people.

That’s exactly why they oppose it, because it will work, and it will work better than what we have now. This is the essence of the ‘Kristol Memo’ - that any healthcare program will work and will get people to see the Democrats as the protectors of the Middle Class.

You don’t have to lie about a bad program to scare people. You only have to lie about good programs to do that.

The better half’s mother, (lives in SC, senior, watching Fox News 9 hours a day) is constantly being told by her doctor the ACA is bad news.

At first blush, you want to listen to the guy; after all, he is a doctor. The more I read about the ACA, though, the more inclined I am to believe her doctor is no different than his patient.

Which then leads to the thought that a medical professional is either completely ignorant about the law, or is lying about it to scare his patients.

Your modern Republican party, kids. They’d spout this bullshit to their own grandmothers to stay in power.

191 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:27:20pm

re: #174 calochortus

Because they’re funny? And there’s often an actual point underneath the humor?

Some comedians (like Mel Brooks, Matt & Trey, Louis CK) can get away with “edgy” topics because THEY ARE ACTUALLY FUNNY.

Also here’s a clue:

When Teh Juice laugh at your Holocaust jokes, you rock!
When anti-Semites laugh at your Holocaust jokes, you suck!

192 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:28:48pm

What the Government Shutdown really shows:

The GOP has nothing to offer the people of the United States. Not one thing. They have no plans, ideas, or ability to produce anything of use for Americans.

193 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:29:00pm

re: #124 Targetpractice

Even this shutdown only lasted until Democrats agreed to drop the Fairness Doctrine demand in exchange for the White House’s agreement to limit support of the Contras to non-lethal means.

Yes, I suppose that agreement was kept to the letter. ///

194 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:29:33pm

re: #171 ProTARDISLiberal

I hope I didn’t get a Godwin for my comment. I think it is true though.

No, you don’t. You’ve argued your case against the Saudis with facts and clear examples. You’ve put too much honest effort behind your case for it to be a Godwin.

195 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:29:43pm

WTFITS

196 Mattand  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:29:57pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

I’m not sure he can, mentally. What John Boehner doesn’t want is to be turfed out of the speakership and then become some lame-duck pariah. The problem is he hasn’t really been willing to risk enough to have a real chance of avoiding that outcome. He really needed to have made the case for actions other than shutdown early this year and then say he either needed his caucus to give him the freedom to speak for them or else accept his resignation.

He also should have pushed for more days in DC, to get members of Congress to be more of their committee and oversight functions. 2013 is not an election year for Congress, so the time was right for that action.

He could have also helped drain the fever swamp by not allowing 42 fucking votes on repealing the ACA in the first goddamn place.

197 calochortus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:30:00pm

re: #186 Ian G.

Dear Lloyd Blankfein, this is your choice: donate to one party, see your capital gains tax rate up, and maybe you won’t be able to afford the 2nd ski chalet in Zermatt. Donate to the other (Levin’s) and then try to sell the 1st Zermatt chalet, and the condo in Aspen, and the house in Amagansett too, because the Dow Jones just tanked 1500 points and there are margin calls left and right and your fortune is now $250 million less than it was yesterday.

Not a hard call.

Actually, it can be a hard call, because he’ll be able to compare his fortune, even if smaller, with the finances of people who are struggling to survive in a collapsed economy. Humans don’t usually look at themselves and say “I have enough, I’m comfortable.” They look at the neighbors and and see whether they have more or less.

198 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:30:09pm

re: #190 Mattand

The better half’s mother, (lives in SC, senior, watching Fox News 9 hours a day) is constantly being told by her doctor the ACA is bad news.

At first blush, you want to listen to the guy; after all, he is a doctor. The more I read about the ACA, though, the more inclined I am to believe her doctor is no different than his patient.

Which then leads to the thought that a medical professional is either completely ignorant about the law, or is lying about it to scare his patients.

Your modern Republican party, kids. They’d spout this bullshit to their own grandmothers to say in power.

Whenever I hear about a Doctor telling his patients about how bad Obamacare will be, I bear in mind that every goddam quack diet, or ‘dietary supplement’, or whatever always has some MD who’ll tout it.

199 Gus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:30:35pm

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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Wait. He’s back to hating the NY Times?

200 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:30:40pm

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

GG is tantruming because he has been knocked off the front page.

201 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:30:42pm

re: #159 GeneJockey

No, of course not! They are WELL aware that the ACA will help millions of people.

That’s exactly why they oppose it, because it will work, and it will work better than what we have now. This is the essence of the ‘Kristol Memo’ - that any healthcare program will work and will get people to see the Democrats as the protectors of the Middle Class.

You don’t have to lie about a bad program to scare people. You only have to lie about good programs to do that.

Because the government (of the people by the people) should not help people. People should help themselves. We can’t go about creating dependency …

202 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:30:44pm

re: #190 Mattand

Ignorance, or a reliance on a steady diet of Fox News to shape a worldview on the ACA.

Because the AMA is working with the Administration on making Obamacare work.

The passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) of 2010 offers the potential to address two key concerns: the increasing number of uninsured Americans and escalating health care costs.

The AMA is committed to working with Congress and the administration on the implementation of provisions in PPACA in order to improve access to affordable, high-quality care and reduce unnecessary costs.

203 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:31:02pm

Ya know, part of me is looking forward to this whole mess. I mean the republicans and their pay masters made this bed when they started the astro turf groups that comprise the tea party and stoked these nutjobs into a frothing frenzy. If the stock market tanks as a result of the gov’t shutting down they only have themselves to blame and it’d be about time that they got burned by the fire they started.

On the other hand I want government to function. I don’t agree with everything it does but it should function and I feel bad for the “collateral damage” a shutdown will incur.

204 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:31:16pm

Greenbeck needs to complete his wingbro transformation and get picked up for a survival-seed-funded radio show.

205 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:31:33pm

re: #196 Mattand

He could have also helped drain the fever swamp by not allowing 42 fucking votes on repealing the ACA in the first goddamn place.

He tossed more meat to the gators - and then noticed the gate had locked behind him and he was down to the last piece…

206 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:31:42pm

re: #200 Feline Fearless Leader

GG is tantruming because he has been knocked off the front page.

I think the “Moonbats” category in the pages needs to be changed to “Dudebros” because “Moonbats” is so, uh, so 2006.

207 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:31:43pm

re: #196 Mattand

He could have also helped drain the fever swamp by not allowing 42 fucking votes on repealing the ACA in the first goddamn place.

I regret I only have one upding to give.

This is Boehner’s fault for caving to the teahadist faction in the GOP and letting them run roughshod with their fever dreams of repealing the ACA. There is no goddamn reason why the House should’ve had 40+ votes to repeal the same fucking law. Boehner’s a weak Speaker and this mess proves it.

208 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:31:48pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

I’m not sure he can, mentally. What John Boehner doesn’t want is to be turfed out of the speakership and then become some lame-duck pariah. The problem is he hasn’t really been willing to risk enough to have a real chance of avoiding that outcome. He really needed to have made the case for actions other than shutdown early this year and then say he either needed his caucus to give him the freedom to speak for them or else accept his resignation.

Do you think Boehner is a good speaker? For reals.

209 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:31:51pm

re: #192 Kragar

What the Government Shutdown really shows:

The GOP has nothing to offer the people of the United States. Not one thing. They have no plans, ideas, or ability to produce anything of use for Americans.

Respectfully disagree, what it shows is that the GOP no longer has any respect for the constitution or the rules of representative democracy, that they refuse to abide by the decision of “We, The People” and instead choose to engage in the destruction of the very nation that they can’t control. That they no longer view any elections where they lose as valid and refuse to be bound by the social contract when it gets in the way of their ideological goals.

210 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:32:00pm

re: #177 GeneJockey

“Daaaaa Hillssss are aliiiive, wit da sound uff Mewww-zikkk!

“Wit zongs dey haff zung, for uh tousand yeeeahs!”

excellent.

211 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:32:23pm

re: #196 Mattand

He could have also helped drain the fever swamp by not allowing 42 fucking votes on repealing the ACA in the first goddamn place.

Yes, this. Boehner is ultimately responsible for letting the inmates run the asylum. Sorry, but you can’t operate in constant fear of the lunatic fringe of your party.

212 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:32:35pm

re: #200 Feline Fearless Leader

GG is tantruming because he has been knocked off the front page.

Has he figured out that South Park insulted him and Snowden yet?

213 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:32:36pm

re: #201 FemNaziBitch

Because the government (of the people by the people) should not help people. People should help themselves. We can’t go about creating dependency …

“People…

“People who need people…..

CAN ALL GO FUCK THEMSELVES, THE LAZY SHIFTLESS BASTARDS!!!!

Not as good as the original, I think.

214 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:33:01pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

The devil you know as the saying goes. Me? I’m holding out hope that a massive backlfash happens at next year’s midterms. Fortunately, I think this will hurt Cuccinnelli big time at the polls here.

All those Northern Virginia residents sitting at home without paychecks from their DC jobs? The final nail in Cuccinnelli’s coffin.

215 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:33:17pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

Yes, this. Boehner is ultimately responsible for letting the inmates run the asylum. Sorry, but you can’t operate in constant fear of the lunatic fringe of your party.

In John Boehner’s America you don’t run the caucus, the caucus runs you.

216 Ian G.  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:33:25pm

re: #203 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ya know, part of me is looking forward to this whole mess. I mean the republicans and their pay masters made this bed when they started the astro turf groups that comprise the tea party and stoked these nutjobs into a frothing frenzy. If the stock market tanks as a result of the gov’t shutting down they only have themselves to blame and it’d be about time that they got burned by the fire they started.

On the other hand I want government to function. I don’t agree with everything it does but it should function and I feel bad for the “collateral damage” a shutdown will incur.

I’d rather a shutdown, since that should be the self-immolation moment the GOP needs to be completely defeated, and the country should be able to recover from it in decent shape.

A debt default, on the other hand, upends the entire global financial system. I don’t want a repeat of September, 2008, only without the Fed to calm markets.

217 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:33:42pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

This reminds me of people with homeowners and car insurance who debate themselves whether to make a claim…is the almost certain higher future premiums worth making the claim, or is it better to just pay for it quietly and not let the insurance company know…

This is what has happened with health insurance…

My last claim —my insurance agent (also my parentis in situ) told me not to file.

218 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:33:57pm

re: #215 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

In John Boehner’s America you don’t run the caucus, the caucus runs you.

“Who run Bartertown?”

219 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:34:24pm

A government shutdown would be super awesome and Democrats are to blame for a shutdown!!!

220 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:34:29pm

re: #214 aagcobb

All those Northern Virginia residents sitting at home without paychecks from their DC jobs? The final nail in Cuccinnelli’s coffin.

Holla!

221 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:34:35pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

“Who run Bartertown?”

“You know damn well who!”

222 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:34:37pm

re: #203 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ya know, part of me is looking forward to this whole mess. I mean the republicans and their pay masters made this bed when they started the astro turf groups that comprise the tea party and stoked these nutjobs into a frothing frenzy. If the stock market tanks as a result of the gov’t shutting down they only have themselves to blame and it’d be about time that they got burned by the fire they started.

On the other hand I want government to function. I don’t agree with everything it does but it should function and I feel bad for the “collateral damage” a shutdown will incur.

We’ve already suffered severe damage to our elected government’s ability to function. A several-day shutdown will not make Congress function any less effectively, and it will probably help rip off the infected bandaid. It may also wake people the fuck up as to the utter intellectual bankruptcy of the Republican party. This may be worth the considerable economic and human suffering of a short government shutdown.

And god damn all of the elected officials who have put us in the position of choosing between those two, and damn all of the idiots who voted for them. We all knew this was coming.

223 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:35:01pm

re: #107 Lidane

I am amused by this. My second-year law classes in grad school focused on digital law, including copyright and IP. We studied Lessig extensively.

I can’t wait to see where this goes.

They should start teaching this stuff in the second grade in primary school…

224 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:35:03pm

re: #202 lawhawk

Ignorance, or a reliance on a steady diet of Fox News to shape a worldview on the ACA.

Because the AMA is working with the Administration on making Obamacare work.

Because it is, actually, really for real, THE LAW.?

225 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:35:42pm

re: #216 Ian G.

I’d rather a shutdown, since that should be the self-immolation moment the GOP needs to be completely defeated, and the country should be able to recover from it in decent shape.

A debt default, on the other hand, upends the entire global financial system. I don’t want a repeat of September, 2008, only without the Fed to calm markets.

I agree, but I doubt the shutdown alone is going to do the job. The TPGOP doesn’t want government period so to them a shutdown means the government can’t do anything more which is their ultimate goal in the first place.

226 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:36:15pm

re: #212 Lidane

Has he figured out that South Park insulted him and Snowden yet?

He’s probably pissed that that SP featured worfress Arec Barwin instead of him.

227 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:36:17pm

re: #208 Carlos Danger

Boehner is an awful speaker and he’s dealing with a fractured and extremist caucus that has no intention to govern. It wants to blow up government and reduce its size at all costs because they think government is the problem.

They couldn’t find anyone else in the House to be speaker when they last voted within the caucus, and there’s no reason to think anyone else - Cantor included - would win that job. And even if Cantor won, he’d be in no better position to deliver the results the extortionist wing of the GOP wants. He’d be able to make the same threats and same propaganda, but wouldn’t get the Democrats to sign off on the defund/delay/destroy ACA program any more than Boehner has.

None of the TPExtortionists knows how to govern; that’s not why they went to Congress. They went to blow up how government functions. That’s why we’ve been lurching from one self inflicted debt ceiling crisis to the next govt shutdown. No actual idea other than objecting to anything that allows government to function.

228 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:36:26pm

re: #222 erik_t

We’ve already suffered severe damage to our elected government’s ability to function. A several-day shutdown will not make Congress function any less effectively, and it will probably help rip off the infected bandaid. It may also wake people the fuck up as to the utter intellectual bankruptcy of the Republican party. This may be worth the considerable economic and human suffering of a short government shutdown.

And god damn all of the elected officials who have put us in the position of choosing between those two, and damn all of the idiots who voted for them. We all knew this was coming.

And you can bet that the Chinese, Russian, and Iranian authoritarians are all recording this for their citizen lectures on “This is Why You Really Don’t Want a Representative Government”.

229 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:37:02pm

From Political Wire:

Emerging from the House GOP conference, Rep. Don Young (R-AK) told National Journal that Republicans “don’t have the votes to do anything.”

Haha oh man

230 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:37:05pm

re: #150 ProTARDISLiberal

Saudi Arabia also tried to commit a small Holocaust in the 30’s.

I hate saying it, but Saudi is another level of evil entirely for various crimes they have committed they have committed in the past 250 years. I would seriously put them at Nazi-level evil.

No, more like Medieval Feudal Monarchy evil.

231 darthstar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:37:33pm
232 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:37:37pm

Not to give him a pass, but I’m really glad I am not House Speaker or Majority Leader right now.

I just can’t see it as being a rewarding job.

233 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:37:42pm

re: #223 Sol Berdinowitz

They should start teaching this suff in the second grade in primary school…

Right after the sections on evolution, logic, and how science works.

234 Mattand  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:38:08pm

re: #222 erik_t

We’ve already suffered severe damage to our elected government’s ability to function. A several-day shutdown will not make Congress function any less effectively, and it will probably help rip off the infected bandaid. It may also wake people the fuck up as to the utter intellectual bankruptcy of the Republican party. This may be worth the considerable economic and human suffering of a short government shutdown.

And god damn all of the elected officials who have put us in the position of choosing between those two, and damn all of the idiots who voted for them. We all knew this was coming.

In my heart, I upding this for eternity.

235 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:38:16pm

re: #231 darthstar

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And here I thought Huntsman raised smart daughters. I guess not. No, Abby, it’s not like that. God our punditry is a joke.

236 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:38:36pm

I hope Hastert turns into a fat toad when his rule gets broken.

…oh wait

237 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:38:44pm

re: #219 Bulworth

A government shutdown would be super awesome and Democrats are to blame for a shutdown!!!

just as logical as cruz saying bizness shouldn’t be required by law to provide health insurance but if you can’t afford insurance just go get a job

238 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:38:52pm

re: #229 Carlos Danger

From Political Wire:

Haha oh man

re: #229 Carlos Danger

From Political Wire:

Haha oh man

Youtube Video

239 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:39:14pm

re: #223 Sol Berdinowitz

They should start teaching this suff in the second grade in primary school…

They should also teach both logic and critical inquiry starting in elemetary school.

240 darthstar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:39:30pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

And here I thought Huntsman raised smart daughters. I guess not. No, Abby, it’s not like that. God our punditry is a joke.

Is that who she is? One of Jon Huntsman’s kids? Fucking Kardashian-level punditry.

241 Mattand  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:39:37pm

re: #231 darthstar

.@thecyclemsnbc Did S.E. Cupp replacement @HuntsmanAbby really just say there would be no Gov’t shutdown looming except for #Obamacare?

re: #235 HappyWarrior

And here I thought Huntsman raised smart daughters. I guess not. No, Abby, it’s not like that. God our punditry is a joke.

MODERATES!

242 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:39:38pm
243 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:39:52pm

re: #230 Sol Berdinowitz

No, more like Medieval Feudal Monarchy evil.

I think I’m still trying to wrap my head around the TED talk I posted about women driving in Saudi.

There is no actual law in KSA that address driving and women. It’s the tradition and religious fatwas that ban it.

And why do we have Separation of Church and State? The GOP has shown clearly they do not respect the rule of law with Obamacare and what else?

It’s a scary, scary world.

244 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:40:07pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

I don’t recall any government shutdown in the 80’s.

1981. Ronald Regan vetoed a CR. I was a federal employee at the time and had my vacation scheduled.
I went to the Bahamas anyway…

245 Ming  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:40:36pm

The government shutdown won’t be for ideological reasons. The Affordable Care Act, ideologically, is rather centrist. It achieves near-universal healthcare coverage through the PRIVATE insurance system. It’s similar to Romneycare in Massachusetts and (from what I’ve read) a proposal from the conservative Heritage Foundation.

Let’s be clear: Republicans in Congress are not taking a stand “on principle”. For them, this is not ideological. It’s personal: a deep commitment to undermining President Obama, no matter the cost.

246 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:40:59pm

re: #239 Lidane

They should also teach both logic and critical inquiry starting in elemetary school.

and second and third languages …

247 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:41:06pm

re: #232 FemNaziBitch

Not to give him a pass, but I’m really glad I am not House Speaker or Majority Leader right now.

I just can’t see it as being a rewarding job.

I’ve always felt the same about President. I never understood the kid who dreams of being president. Clever Eisenhower quote and I’ll paraphrase. “When I was a boy, me and a friend were talking while fishing about we wanted to be when we grew up. I told my friend that I would like to play shortstop like Honus Wagner. My friend said he’d very much like to be president of the United States. Neither of us got our wish.” I feel a bit of a conflict though. I’ve looked in both the private adn public sector for work since I’ve got my degree. I’ve got no qualms with working for the Feds since it’s stable and stuff but I’m also looking for work that could allow me to use my creative side.

248 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:41:54pm

What’s annoying me most at the moment is the fact my parents are die hard Tea baggers. Yet if the gov’t is shutdown it could affect my Dad’s disability/Social Security as well as VA benefits and my mother works as a home health aide taking care of elderly people who depend on medicare etc. Yet they would happily see the shutdown because AMERIKKA!!!

249 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:42:15pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

Oh, Abby, you disappoint me so.

250 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:42:16pm

I’m waiting for the South Park episode that spoofs Ted Cruz. They will probably portray him as a Canadian who tries to get his head parts glued together so he can pretend to be an American, but he will just look like a Canadian with his head parts stuck together.

251 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:42:16pm

re: #246 FemNaziBitch

and second and third languages …

But which two? C and SQL? Or include classical ones like BASIC, FORTRAN, or even COBOL?

j/k ;)

252 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:42:36pm
253 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:42:40pm

re: #249 Bulworth

Oh, Abby, you disappoint me so.

Cute is not smart.

254 Interesting Times  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:42:45pm

re: #153 erik_t

He’s going to have to. Even the Kochs ultimately care about the stock market

…but do they actually stand to make money in the event of a shutdown or default? They do have a talent for exploiting human suffering for profit…

255 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:42:58pm

re: #247 HappyWarrior

I’ve always felt the same about President. I never understood the kid who dreams of being president. Clever Eisenhower quote and I’ll paraphrase. “When I was a boy, me and a friend were talking while fishing about we wanted to be when we grew up. I told my friend that I would like to play shortstop like Honus Wagner. My friend said he’d very much like to be president of the United States. Neither of us got our wish.” I feel a bit of a conflict though. I’ve looked in both the private adn public sector for work since I’ve got my degree. I’ve got no qualms with working for the Feds since it’s stable and stuff but I’m also looking for work that could allow me to use my creative side.

LBJ was MADE for the job of Senate Leader. I don’t see that with any current politician.

256 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:43:05pm

re: #248 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Can’t wait for shutdown, it will be so great, and why are Dems being such meanies and not compromising and shutting down the gov? ///

257 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:43:26pm

re: #232 FemNaziBitch

Not to give him a pass, but I’m really glad I am not House Speaker or Majority Leader right now.

I just can’t see it as being a rewarding job.

Reaping what he sowed, IMO.

The same goes for the whole damned lot of them, all the way back to Nixon and the Southern Strategy - rather than change with the times, they decided to appeal to the worst instincts of the stupidest Americans, and it bought them 30-40 years. Now here we are at what I can only hope becomes ‘GOPerdammerung’, when all the hatred and paranoia they whipped up, all the denigration of fact and expertise, and all the derangement of common sense that they so carefully cultivated have completely take them over.

Boehner was happy to use it all to become speaker,

It would be more fun to watch if it weren’t fucking everything up so royally.

258 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:43:28pm

re: #241 Mattand

MODERATES!

Ya know, the first president of Pakistan was considered a moderate because he gave religion a place in secular society.

That worked out.

259 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:43:35pm

re: #248 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

What’s annoying me most at the moment is the fact my parents are die hard Tea baggers. Yet if the gov’t is shutdown it could affect my Dad’s disability/Social Security as well as VA benefits and my mother works as a home health aide taking care of elderly people who depend on medicare etc. Yet they would happily see the shutdown because AMERIKKA!!!

People have also had it hammered inot them that the Federal Government does nothing useful except to interfere with JOB CREATORS in their pursuit of creating well paid jobs with benefits for American workers.

260 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:43:57pm

re: #252 Lidane

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Locked themselves into a shutdown without an escape route. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so fucking frustrating.

261 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:44:45pm

For the House GOP…

Youtube Video

262 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:44:52pm
263 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:45:19pm
264 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:45:32pm

re: #260 Targetpractice

Locked themselves into a shutdown without an escape route. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so fucking frustrating.

Burned Sarah Palin’s Bridge to Nowhere behind them.

265 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:45:37pm

NRO’s Washington editor:

266 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:45:38pm

re: #230 Sol Berdinowitz

And the Saudi Barbarians sacking Karbala and butchering 5,000 men, women, and children was what then?

Hell, they committed another brutal massacre in Taif in the 1920’s. Again with the indiscriminate slaughter of men, women, and children.

Not to mention the treatment of Shias (and others) in Saudi Arabia. To me, Saudi is the face of evil on the planet for the current time period. They are hijacking my faith and promoting violence against all who are not like them. They are destroying history because a backwater-hick ideology. And they see no problem with mass murder.

Note that this is only about the Royal Family and their supporters. Most of the rest of the nation are sweet people, who deserve better. Whether it be the occupied Hijaz, the Shia Persian Gulf Coast, or parts that were formally part of Yemen, and people who simply treated poorly and need better from the Nejd.

267 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:46:00pm

re: #254 Interesting Times

…but do they actually stand to make money in the event of a shutdown or default? They do have a talent for exploiting human suffering for profit…

That’s what I’m wondering. It’s more a long-term fallout. Players on the Koch’s level are playing decades down the road. Uncertainties like what is happening now is the perfect opportunity for them to set the stage in their favor.

Remember there are long term economic interests —like global transportation rights when the ice melts up North—that are being decided now. Things we don’t hear about because the populous isn’t thought to be able to think that far in advance.

China’s maneuverings in Afrika are an interest of mine as well. With a global economy all things are possible.

268 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:46:16pm
269 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:46:46pm
270 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:46:55pm
271 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:47:00pm

re: #254 Interesting Times

…but do they actually stand to make money in the event of a shutdown or default? They do have a talent for exploiting human suffering for profit…

No. Given that a shutdown will hold up federal approvals for energy projects, Koch Industries is going to get hurt, at least in the mid-term.

272 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:47:13pm

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

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Yes folks, returning the House GOP’s CR to them with a note saying “Nice try” where the sections involving delaying the ACA for a year were is voting for a shutdown.

War is Peace! Ignorance is Strength!

273 b.d.  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:47:23pm

re: #265 Lidane

NRO’s Washington editor:

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Whadda ya mean why?

274 erik_t  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:47:46pm

You know what, fuck Twitter. If I never see another goddamned pus-for-brains clicking and reclicking some octothorpe-prefixed counter-factual bullshit, it’ll be too soon.

I’m going to go for a walk. Everyone is stupid everywhere forever, and to hell with us all for letting it get this way because we deserve it.

275 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:47:58pm

re: #262 Vicious Babushka

Even though it hasn’t started yet.

276 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:47:58pm

SHUTDOWN IS TOTALLY HARRY REIDS & DEMZ FAULT!!!11!!!!

and…

I TOTALLY CAN’T WANT FOR SHUTDOWN!!!1!! YIPPEE!!!!!11!!!!!

277 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:49:01pm

re: #268 Vicious Babushka

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Is that a spoof account? Because if not Tarder Sauce the Grumpy Cat ought to shred the pants of the idiot who wrote that.

278 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:49:09pm

re: #266 ProTARDISLiberal

yes, they are getting medieval on us, or as Churchill succinctly warned us “a new Dark Ages, made more sinister…by the light of perverted science”.

Sounds like Saudi Arabia to me…

279 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:49:15pm

OT, I downloaded and watched the BB finale at lunchtime.

WARNING! SPOILERS!

Episode 7 was so dark, and BB such a different show, I thought they might take the darkness deeper and have a finale solely about revenge and the final, utter destruction of the White family caused by Walter’s evil. Instead, Walt used his brilliance to ensure his family’s future, he did not wreck vengeance on Eliot and Gretchen, and he spared Jesse. Walt achieved all his goals before his death and ends up looking good in comparison to the Aryans and Lydia. Anyone else think that is a bit of a copout?

280 b.d.  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:49:16pm

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

SHUTDOWN IS TOTALLY HARRY REIDS & DEMZ FAULT!!!11!!!!

and…

I TOTALLY CAN’T WANT FOR SHUTDOWN!!!1!! YIPPEE!!!!!11!!!!!

That about says all you need to know.

281 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:49:22pm

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

No. Given that a shutdown will hold up federal approvals for energy projects, Koch Industries is going to get hurt, at least in the mid-term.

‘Hurt’ is not the right word when you’re talking about gazzillionaires. They might notice, it may affect the bottom line, but there will be no pain for them.

282 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:49:49pm

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

SHUTDOWN IS TOTALLY HARRY REIDS & DEMZ FAULT!!!11!!!!

and…

I TOTALLY CAN’T WANT FOR SHUTDOWN!!!1!! YIPPEE!!!!!11!!!!!

Naw, It’s Obama’s fault because of This

283 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:49:53pm

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

SHUTDOWN IS TOTALLY HARRY REIDS & DEMZ FAULT!!!11!!!!

and…

I TOTALLY CAN’T WANT FOR SHUTDOWN!!!1!! YIPPEE!!!!!11!!!!!

Being Conservative these days should be defined as being able to simultaneously hold two diametrically opposed positions and feel no discomfort from the cognitive dissonance.

Probably because cognitive dissonance requires, you know, COGNITION.

284 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:50:03pm

re: #274 erik_t

You know what, fuck Twitter. If I never see another goddamned pus-for-brains clicking and reclicking some octothorpe-prefixed counter-factual bullshit, it’ll be too soon.

I’m going to go for a walk. Everyone is stupid everywhere forever, and to hell with us all for letting it get this way because we deserve it.

Have a nice walk.

The medium is not the message.

285 Gus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:50:16pm

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

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OK, this is weird.

286 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:50:17pm

re: #275 Bulworth

Even though it hasn’t started yet.

I think the logic is that people are alrady being fired/not hired/having hours cut in anticipation.

All Obama’s fault.

287 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:50:41pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

‘Hurt’ is not the right word when you’re talking about gazzillionaires. They might notice, it may affect the bottom line, but there will be no pain for them.

Unless you make fun of their hairpiece.

288 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:50:59pm

re: #284 wrenchwench

Have a nice walk.

The medium is not the message.

The medium is a mess.

289 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:51:37pm

re: #283 GeneJockey

Being Conservative these days should be defined as being able to simultaneously hold two diametrically opposed positions and feel no discomfort from the cognitive dissonance.

Probably because cognitive dissonance requires, you know, COGNITION.

Conservative meand bible literalism these days.

290 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:51:52pm

re: #248 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

What’s annoying me most at the moment is the fact my parents are die hard Tea baggers. Yet if the gov’t is shutdown it could affect my Dad’s disability/Social Security as well as VA benefits and my mother works as a home health aide taking care of elderly people who depend on medicare etc. Yet they would happily see the shutdown because AMERIKKA!!!

Social Security and Medicaid are protected from the shutdown because they are mandatory spending. Besides they earned their benefits, not like those Cadillac driving welfare queens and those lay-about surfer dudes.//

291 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:53:03pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

If Obama hadn’t been re-elected we wouldn’t be having a shutdown.

Confirmed. FACT. //

292 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:54:06pm

re: #289 FemNaziBitch

Conservative meand bible literalism these days.

Except for that part where Jesus says, “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” That’s totally open to interpretation - I mean, I heard there was this mountain pass near Jerusalem that some folks called ‘the Eye of the Needle’, so that totally means that rich people can get in.

293 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:54:31pm

re: #287 Decatur Deb

Unless you make fun of their hairpiece.

I’d be willing to do that if it would help anything.

294 darthstar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:56:01pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

‘Hurt’ is not the right word when you’re talking about gazzillionaires. They might notice, it may affect the bottom line, but there will be no pain for them.

“Minor inconvenience” is more like it.

295 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:56:49pm

re: #42 Vicious Babushka

BECAUSE SHUTDOWN MEANS NO MOAR BENGHAZI INVESTAGASHUNZ YOU MORON

Why are Democrat Senators blocking the #Benghazi investigation? What are they trying to hide? t.co #UniteBlue #PJNET
— WSCP (@WSCP1) September 30, 2013

Beirut Barracks.

296 Political Atheist  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:57:01pm

re: #290 aagcobb

Social Security and Medicaid are protected from the shutdown because they are mandatory spending. Besides they earned their benefits, not like those Cadillac driving welfare queens and those lay-about surfer dudes.//

Let me propose a policy that in the event of a shutdown all congressional pay is suspended and all congressional accounts frozen pending a signed budget.

297 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:57:35pm

re: #294 darthstar

“Minor inconvenience” is more like it.

I don’t see even a moment’s inconvenience. They have to pay the accountants either way.

298 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:59:23pm

re: #296 Political Atheist

Let me propose a policy that in the event of a shutdown all congressional pay is suspended and all congressional accounts frozen pending a signed budget.

How about a claw-back? Presumably they shirked their duties to get us here. They shouldn’t get paid for what they did not do.

299 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:59:38pm

re: #296 Political Atheist

Let me propose a policy that in the event of a shutdown all congressional pay is suspended and all congressional accounts frozen pending a signed budget.

The majority are millionaires. They’d shake rent money out of their couch cushions.

300 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 1:00:53pm

re: #299 Decatur Deb

The majority are millionaires. They’d shake rent money out of their couch cushions.

What rent? They own the property, they don’t pay taxes.

Perhaps they need to shake-out the salary they pay to their lawyers and CPA’s.

301 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 1:11:14pm

re: #103 Eclectic Cyborg

Allow me to translate from wingnut-ese.

He’s talking about being dependent on God for your needs, not the government. By “independent” he means “off the government teat”.

Good, then his god can build him some roads so he can stay the fuck off ours.

302 darthstar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 1:11:27pm

re: #297 wrenchwench

I don’t see even a moment’s inconvenience. They have to pay the accountants either way.

And it’s not like the Koch brothers are living paycheck to paycheck. They get delays in contracts all the time. Even an extended shut down won’t affect their bottom line.

303 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 4:02:44pm

re: #262 Vicious Babushka

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Amanda Carpenter you really don’t have a good grasp on reality do you.


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