Overnight Short Film: The Day Wonderland Stood Still…

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This time-lapse was inspired by the “Empty America Series” by Ross Ching and the Nibiran jungle scene in Star Trek Into Darkness. When I first saw the scene in Star Trek, it made me wonder how color infrared would look if we could see it with our own eyes, unaided by IR filters. After seeing the movie and watching Ross’s series I thought about how a totally empty city (such as Philadelphia) would look in Kodak EIR style infrared.

Hope you all enjoy and thanks for viewing!

Addition Info:
All scenes were shot around Philadelphia using my full-spectrum digital camera and a yellow filter. A full spectrum camera is a camera that has had it’s IR blocking filter removed, allowing the camera to see into the infrared. The yellow filter blocks all visible light up to yellow and allows infrared to pass through. The first scene and time-lapse title was prompted by an infrared series that I’ve been shooting over the years called “Wonderland”. If you are interested in seeing some of the photos from this series check out the link below:

http://www.bruce-wayne-photography.com/p319701911

Music: “To The Hills” composed & performed by “Ben Lukas Boysen”.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/gravity/id659491608

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1 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:27:42pm

I still miss real NY-style pizza.

2 Belafon  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:30:04pm

I like that Batman has a side gig.

3 austin_blue  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:33:39pm

Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster I have access to a real Connecticut-style white sauce clam pie here in Austin.

Any body else think that pineapple is satanic?

This is obviously a more important discussion than anything going on in D.C.

///

4 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:35:00pm
5 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:35:12pm

As a Dad, nothing quite beats the simple joy of sneaking up on your kids as they watch a horror movie and scaring the bejeezus out of them.

6 austin_blue  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:35:52pm

re: #3 austin_blue

Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster I have access to a real Connecticut-style white sauce clam pie here in Austin.

Any body else think that pineapple is satanic?

This is obviously a more important discussion than anything going on in D.C.

///

Which at this point feels like running my head into a brick wall.

Again and again and again…

7 Stanley Sea  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:36:03pm
8 darthstar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:36:24pm
9 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:36:44pm

Ahahahahaha:

10 Stanley Sea  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:37:02pm

re: #8 darthstar

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L u c k y

11 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:37:56pm

re: #9 Lidane

Good to see a steady hand at the wheel.

12 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:39:23pm

re: #3 austin_blue

This is obviously a more important productive discussion than anything going on in D.C.

Fixed that for you.

13 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:40:21pm

just think, in less than a half an hour storm troopers will burst out of FEMA camps to bring all hospitals and doctors under government control and appoint homosexuals to enforce sharia law!

how exciting!!

14 austin_blue  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:40:33pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

“Sorry I’m late late, we were voting on taking food out of the mouths of babies.”

Nancy Pelosi at Warren Buffets’ talk at Georgetown U.

15 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:41:07pm

re: #11 Amory Blaine

Good to see a steady hand at the wheel.

Image: jesus_75a637_2733396.jpg

16 Stanley Sea  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:42:32pm

re: #15 Varek Raith

Image: jesus_75a637_2733396.jpg

My religious family in SC would lose their shit if they saw that. LOL

17 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:46:12pm
18 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:47:47pm
19 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:48:15pm

re: #8 darthstar

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HAH.

Like poor people have real families.

20 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:48:44pm
21 freetoken  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:50:03pm

Appreciate the video.

Besides the pleasing aesthetics it also brings to the fore the idea that our perceptions are based on a cadence of data flowing in from our sense that forces us to view the world a certain way.

On a slower cadence, such as used in videos like these where a frame is taken several seconds apart, reality appears different. What we might think of as important, like other people or animals, don’t exist.

This is one of the challenges in changing the mind of the creationist. They think the whole universe operates on a scale that is human-centric, and thus can’t imagine change over the millions of years that have happened. The perception of reality is shaped by our senses, which collect data on a scale that is too short to notice the big picture of planets and galaxies.

Same problem with climate change - the Earth surface’s dynamics happen on a scale that is different than what we as humans can relate to. Thus the urgency is not there to force the change that is needed.

22 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:53:02pm

Really nice video. Like the change in perceptions and patterns from the IR. Especially since a lot of that footage is places in Philly that I walk around in all the time (Center City, Fairmount Park, Rittenhouse Square, etc.) Even saw the building I live in at the edge of a few shots. :)

23 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:54:31pm
24 jaunte  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:58:48pm
25 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:59:23pm
26 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:59:34pm

What does it say that I am celebrating the fact that the cats did not turn off the computer when I left the laptop lid open when Apple’s designers put the power switch on the upper right of the keyboard?

I never had this issue before the MBA…

27 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:00:18pm
28 Gus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:00:56pm

There it is.

29 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:01:00pm

Your fellow C-SPAN lovers:

#cspanchat Americans so miss having a real America loving prez and working congress.

30 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:01:11pm

theonion.com

31 austin_blue  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:01:25pm

re: #21 freetoken

Appreciate the video.

Besides the pleasing aesthetics it also brings to the fore the idea that our perceptions are based on a cadence of data flowing in from our sense that forces us to view the world a certain way.

On a slower cadence, such as used in videos like these where a frame is taken several seconds apart, reality appears different. What we might think of as important, like other people or animals, don’t exist.

This is one of the challenges in changing the mind of the creationist. They think the whole universe operates on a scale that is human-centric, and thus can’t imagine change over the millions of years that have happened. The perception of reality is shaped by our senses, which collect data on a scale that is too short to notice the big picture of planets and galaxies.

Same problem with climate change - the Earth surface’s dynamics happen on a scale that is different than what we as humans can relate to. Thus the urgency is not there to force the change that is needed.

In other words, the vast majority of humanity are morons?

What is going to change the paradigm?

32 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:02:01pm

re: #27 Lidane

I am (occasionally, depending on income cutoff lines for the year, etc.) in the 1%.

Please don’t think the GOP represents me.

I may not like how complicated taxes are (ok, #*$(�%(*@ IRS documentation), but I don’t have an issue with paying my dues to a society that has enabled me to get to where I am today.

33 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:04:11pm

There goes Panda Cam:

nationalzoo.si.edu

34 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:05:09pm

Time for a classic:

6 Things Rich People Need to Stop Saying

All of a sudden, it’s like you can’t make huge amounts of money without people getting all pissed off about it. And it’s only going to get worse — with the election coming up and the weather getting warmer, this whole “Occupy” movement is probably going to come back strong. The 1 percent will feel even more besieged than before.

“What the hell?” you’re probably thinking, if you’re somehow both rich and reading an article with this title, “I didn’t crash the economy!” You might even be tempted to take to a microphone, to defend yourself and your wealthy friends. But before you do, I want you to stop and ask yourself, “Will this make me sound like an out-of-touch douchebag?”

35 jaunte  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:05:47pm
36 austin_blue  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:06:19pm

re: #32 klys

I am (occasionally, depending on income cutoff lines for the year, etc.) in the 1%.

Please don’t think the GOP represents me.

I may not like how complicated taxes are (ok, #*$(‘%(*@ IRS documentation), but I don’t have an issue with paying my dues to a society that has enabled me to get to where I am today.

It’s obvious you’re last name isn’t Koch.

37 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:07:07pm

re: #36 austin_blue

It’s obvious you’re last name isn’t Koch.

Hahahaha, no, we actually work for the income.

38 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:07:33pm

healthcare.gov

39 austin_blue  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:07:59pm

re: #37 klys

Hahahaha, no, we actually work for the income.

QFT!

40 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:09:27pm

re: #39 austin_blue

QFT!

When we are independently wealthy and can live off the proceeds of our investments …*

I will still feel the same way.

And not call myself a job creator.

* God willing, please, I’d like to be able to retire and travel the world with my husband and if we have to wait for me to be eligible for Medicare, we’re fucked.

41 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:09:55pm

Somewhere in Bumpkin’s Notch, NH, a ‘navigator’ is helping someone apply to an ACA exchange.

42 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:10:31pm
43 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:11:01pm

re: #42 Lidane

They’re throwing something in for everyone!

//////

44 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:11:49pm

re: #42 Lidane

Otherwise known as: how to make the dudebros notice and/or care.

45 jaunte  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:12:56pm
46 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:13:26pm

re: #42 Lidane

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But nothing going on really matters.

//

47 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:14:31pm

That sound you hear is the RWNJs on Twitter blowing a gasket:

48 jaunte  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:15:16pm

Guy on cspan right now sounds like the company manager arguing against unions because “fairness”

49 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:15:50pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

Somewhere in Bumpkin’s Notch, NH, a ‘navigator’ is helping someone apply to an ACA exchange.

This is an awesome and fantastic thing.

As pissed as I am that Republicans have pulled this shit, I am even more joyful that Americans out there who previously couldn’t can now get affordable healthcare.

50 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:16:38pm
51 jaunte  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:17:04pm
52 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:17:51pm

Tomorrow my husband goes to a party to celebrate the shutdown of webTV.

The world can be a funny place.

53 BongCrodny  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:18:35pm

re: #9 Lidane

Ahahahahaha:

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I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that it’s not really a good thing for your party when freaking Rick Santorum is the voice of reason.

54 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:18:51pm
55 jaunte  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:19:01pm
56 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:19:22pm

Google’s theme today… is Yosemite Park.

The Closed Yosemite Park.

57 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:20:02pm

re: #56 Carlos Danger

Google’s theme today… is Yosemite Park.

The Closed Yosemite Park.

Bears dancing in the parking lots.

58 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:21:18pm

re: #42 Lidane

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Da Fuq? Kitchen sink bill? Christmas wish list? They think Dems are as stupid as they are?

59 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:22:52pm

re: #32 klys

I should add that some of this is CA Bay Area salaries are insanely beyond what they would be in the rest of the country. No lie.

60 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:23:13pm
61 jaunte  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:24:56pm
62 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:25:14pm

Today, the GOP’s worst nightmare came true.

People got healthcare.

63 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:25:48pm

re: #52 klys

OMG I used to have that for the living room.

64 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:26:51pm

More RWNJ outrage on Twitter:

65 jaunte  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:26:57pm
66 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:27:18pm

re: #63 Amory Blaine

OMG I used to have that for the living room.

They turn it off tomorrow, apparently.

He worked for them when they were a startup. And then bought. And now he works on the …spiritually successor.

Once his list of bookmarks (included for a test) got exposed. This should be a lesson for all programmers: never include any personal information in testing.

67 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:29:39pm

Well, I got my VA payment for this month.

Next month is the real question.

68 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:30:26pm

re: #67 Kragar

Well, I got my VA payment for this month.

Next month is the real question.

My fingers are crossed and I am hoping, for all the good that will do.

69 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:33:07pm

Need to de-compress again.

Why?

What the Fuck is Wrong With You brought up the story of stupid Saudi cleric saying something stupid.

Which led me to start spouting off against the Saudi State and what they have done. This led to ranty-rants about what Saudi had down. The co-host was very nice about it.

It’s also why I will defend Republicans from the accusation they are equal to the Third Saudi State. The Republicans are committing some evil right now on the hill.

However, Saudi Royal Family has outright committed mass murder, and threatened the Jews of Najran Province in the 30’s with murder.

Republians don’t come close to the Saudis. Not even close. Not within 2000 km.

70 darthstar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:37:26pm
71 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:37:46pm

Image: FkieAk6.gif

72 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:42:29pm

[insert your favorite John McNaughton painting here]

73 sagehen  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:43:30pm
74 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:44:56pm
75 Snarknado!  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:46:39pm

And as if the insanity on Capitol Hill weren’t enough, the explosion on the Berkeley campus was a result of damage to the electrical system by what they’re calling vandals and I’m calling thieves stripping out copper grounding wires. I’m almost at the point of approving summary execution for metal thieves (no, I’m not talking about your illegal copy of that Metallica album — but check back tomorrow).

76 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:50:00pm
77 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:51:59pm

It has become commonplace to play with our economy like this now.

78 SnowdenBaggerVance  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:57:47pm

The government sucks. We’ll show you how much it sucks.

79 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:58:40pm

re: #78 SnowdenBaggerVance

The government sucks. We’ll show you how much it sucks.

Upding for your moniker

80 Snarknado!  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 9:59:48pm

re: #78 SnowdenBaggerVance

The government sucks. We’ll show you how much it sucks.

…but if you’d just go away, it wouldn’t suck nearly as much.

81 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:02:23pm

re: #57 Decatur Deb

Bears dancing in the parking lots.

Don’t tell Bryan Fischer.

82 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:02:38pm
83 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:03:15pm
84 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:06:47pm

Image: 10031882105_e0ff39929e.jpg

85 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:07:23pm

I’m pretty sure once the tea partiers find out they can’t buy a gun until government is funded they will change their tune.

86 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:07:29pm

Murray: Republicans Refused To Go To Conference 18 Times

Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) called a last-minute Republican plan to conference on a short-term resolution to fund the government ironic given the GOP’s steadfast refusal to return “regular order” as requested by Democrats over a dozen times since April.

“We asked to go to conference on the budget 18 times, and Republicans said no,” the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee said Monday night, minutes before a government shutdown.

In the normal budget process, the Senate and House appoint lawmakers as conferees to a conference committee where differences between appropriation bills can be ironed out. Senate Democrats have been asking for a return to such regular order for months.

87 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:08:28pm

Much needed cuteness break —yes?

88 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:09:04pm

re: #76 Lidane

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Exactly.

89 SnowdenBaggerVance  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:12:02pm

We really should be talking about Pelosi’s scarf right now.

90 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:12:13pm

re: #85 Single-handed sailor

I’m pretty sure once the tea partiers find out they can’t buy a gun until government is funded they will change their tune.

SEE? I’VE TOLD YOU ALL ALONG OBUMMER WAS COMING FOR OUR GUNS!!1

91 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:13:58pm

News flash, geniuses — the Senate went home already. Pass the clean CR or STFU:

92 blueraven  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:16:06pm

Krauthammer has become unglued. He is railing on the GOP for not holding their fire until the Debt Ceiling. I mean really, how cynical are the talking heads for the republican cause?

Defunding, Delaying, Repealing Obamacare is a loser and the higher stakes of the debt ceiling will not help the GOP.

93 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:17:30pm
94 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:19:41pm
95 klys  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:20:35pm

re: #93 Lidane

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SHRIMP?? SHRIMP???

Fish or get out.

96 Carlos Danger  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:21:31pm

Pretty sure George Washington is a turbine right now

97 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:22:12pm

Just wanted to check-in. I see the internets are still up and running.

I’m of to audiobookworld.

98 blueraven  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:23:03pm

This is what Citizens United has wrought. Government by out-sized, outside special interest groups.

99 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:25:48pm

re: #93 Lidane

[Embedded content]

He needs to have a pimentaco!

Youtube Video

100 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:26:19pm

re: #98 blueraven

This is what Citizens United has wrought. Government by out-sized, outside special interest groups.

Feature, not bug.

101 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:26:46pm
102 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:31:59pm

That’s because if he tried to talk now, he’d just slur all his words:

103 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:36:56pm

re: #91 Lidane

News flash, geniuses — the Senate went home already. Pass the clean CR or STFU:

[Embedded content]

See my 86.

The GOP rejected conferences for months.

104 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:39:22pm

I wonder what the possibility is that Peter King could try again to rally some of the remaining sane Republicans, and outright break off the Republican Party to form a sane conservative 3rd Party. Then, in order to keep the country going until the next election, align with the Democrats and nominate a Conservative Blue Dog to Speaker of the House. Nancy Pelosi is Majority Leader.

105 McSpiff  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:41:21pm

re: #104 ProTARDISLiberal

I wonder what the possibility is that Peter King could try again to rally some of the remaining sane Republicans, and outright break off the Republican Party to form a sane conservative 3rd Party. Then, in order to keep the country going until the next election, align with the Democrats and nominate a Conservative Blue Dog to Speaker of the House. Nancy Pelosi is Majority Leader.

Sad when Peter King is the sane option…

106 Lidane  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:42:48pm

re: #103 Kragar

See my 86.

The GOP rejected conferences for months.

Yep. They’ve had since APRIL to go to conference and hammer all this shit out. They wait until 2 hours before the final deadline to admit they want to go to conference?

Fuck that. It’s like someone who waits until the last day to write a term paper they’ve had all semester to work on, then asking the prof for an extension.

107 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:43:34pm

re: #105 McSpiff

Yeah, but perhaps we can get a Caretaker-Coalition Government for the next year. Just to get us to the election.

We need an amendment to the Constitution.

The amendment would state that if a budget can not be agreed upon, then Congress is dissolved and a new election takes place. Essentially, Europeanizing the Government.

108 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:55:06pm

re: #107 ProTARDISLiberal

Yeah, but perhaps we can get a Caretaker-Coalition Government for the next year. Just to get us to the election.

We need an amendment to the Constitution.

The amendment would state that if a budget can not be agreed upon, then Congress is dissolved and a new election takes place. Essentially, Europeanizing the Government.

Yeah, that’ll happen.
/

109 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 10:56:02pm

At this point, waiting for the Emperor to announce the Unification Wars will happen before we change the Constitution, the way this country is right now

110 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:25:00pm

Jon Stewart Shreds GOP

Youtube Video

111 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:42:39pm

Google has badges of Yosemite at its search page.

112 Kragar  Mon, Sep 30, 2013 11:44:22pm

re: #111 Amory Blaine

Google has badges of Yosemite at its search page.

Google celebrates Yosemite’s birthday as government shuts famous park down

113 Mattand  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 12:01:19am

Fuck you, Republicans.

114 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 12:08:26am

Maddow: ‘Elect Republicans and they will burn the place down’

“There is nothing about the last few weeks of political back-and-forth that explains why this is happening. There’s nothing about health reform, specifically, that explains why this is happening.

“What is happening tonight is happening tonight because this is what Republicans want to do,” Maddow said pointedly. “This is what they promised to do. This tactic — ‘Let’s Roll!’ — is an end in and of itself, and that is why there’s no talking them out of it. Elect Republicans and they will burn the place down.”

The fact that Republicans were so focused on shuttering government operations, Maddow argued, was a key.

“It demonstrates a desire to go to extremes, which is fun and ideologically desirable,” she said. “And it shows a decisive lack of respect for what government is. It is a tactical insult to the whole idea of governance.”

115 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 12:41:15am

re: #110 Kragar

Jon Stewart Shreds GOP

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On the downside, tonight’s guest was Bill O’Reilly.

Which sounds fun in principle but in practice sucks because who wants to hear Republican justifications from an ‘independent’ on a night like tonight?

116 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 12:41:51am
117 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 12:41:54am

In other news I cannot go to bed until I finish the lecture in induction proofs.

Fuck me.

118 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 12:43:25am

re: #117 klys

In other news I cannot go to bed until I finish the lecture in induction proofs.

Fuck me.

On the bright side, it is only 72 minutes long…

119 piratedan  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 12:47:05am

re: #117 klys

welll… ummm, no, err time to see if I can upload that online sexual harassment class that was mentioned before….

120 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 12:49:09am

re: #119 piratedan

welll… ummm, no, err time to see if I can upload that online sexual harassment class that was mentioned before….

HERE YOU GO, as apparently mentioned somewhere in this lecture.

121 piratedan  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 12:49:46am

re: #120 klys

good luck with da proofs!

122 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 12:52:44am

re: #121 piratedan

good luck with da proofs!

The current refrain in the house is “FUCK YOU MATH”.

Except quietly, because SOMEONE has a call-in meeting at 9:30. Which I was told today.

123 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 12:57:48am

re: #122 klys

Also, I’m done with proofs until after office hours tomorrow.

This is more just making sure I am up to date on lectures before office hours. Sigh. I know I’m going to have to rewatch.

124 freetoken  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 1:06:32am

MP3 Audio

125 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 1:06:49am
Do the powers of two to the n just happen to sum up to the power of two to n - 1?

NO.

126 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 1:07:02am

re: #125 klys

NO.

THAT’S WHY COMPUTERS WORK.

127 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 1:13:21am

Well This Batman Trivia Question Won’t Be Relevant For Long

Heh.

128 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 1:18:34am

re: #127 Lidane

Well This Batman Trivia Question Won’t Be Relevant For Long

Heh.

George Clooney has never been Batman.

Just like there was never more than one Highlander film.

129 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 1:22:58am

I’M NOT ALONE.

I just talk to myself because I feel like it.

/I liked Chris O’Donnell as Robin.

130 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 1:29:06am

Thirty minutes into lecture and every question so far has had a non-American accent.

This is more a commentary on American emphasis on education than a criticism of other countries’ a) ability to speak English or b) pursuit of higher education.

131 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 1:52:46am

We are now weighing coins.

I am prepped for that interview question.

/////

132 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 2:05:45am

I got the key insight for the MI to MU problem. Probably because I can think inductively versus deductively.

On the other hand, fuck writing out the proof for it.

/sigh

133 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 2:10:50am

LECTURE IS DONE. Now some Colbert Report before bed.

134 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 2:12:18am

Well, I see I woke up, the world is still here, the internet is working along with everything else.

Yesterday, on NPR, I heard someone talking about how the State of FL said that navigators (for ACA) won’t be allowed in govt bldgs, but that counties are telling the State to fuck off and are allowing navigators to explain ACA to patients where they own the properties.

Republicans are going down. Hunt those bastards down and start the recall processes and get Reps in there who will do what the People need to get done. That’s what I’d like to see, but do those who voted for them have any guts?

135 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 2:14:31am

re: #134 Justanotherhuman

The short answer is no.

The long answer requires a proof and I’m not sure how to write those.

Also, Colbert, there is no element with the symbol G. Sorry, try again.

136 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 2:20:34am

Oh boy, francis is back.

Someone shoot me, the excitement can’t be beat.

137 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 2:22:30am

And with that, good night Lizards.

Although I’ve mostly been talking to myself.

But you’re all forgiven anyway.

138 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 2:29:58am

freetoken is not here to post musical interludes, either…slow day (night)

139 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:16:51am

This is the NY Daily News cover photo today (right side).

nydailynews.com

The photo is entitled “House of Turds” and features Orange Man in a terrific photoshop with bloodied hands sitting in the Lincoln Memorial “chair”.

140 freetoken  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:25:33am

Someday America may be sane.

Until then, we have Debussy:

MP3 Audio

141 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:29:18am

clear up the loonies!

142 JamesS  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:36:03am

re: #107 ProTARDISLiberal

Yeah, but perhaps we can get a Caretaker-Coalition Government for the next year. Just to get us to the election.

We need an amendment to the Constitution.

The amendment would state that if a budget can not be agreed upon, then Congress is dissolved and a new election takes place. Essentially, Europeanizing the Government.

Well, some sort of fallback to break the deadlock would make sense. The UK has the same split between two houses, but with only one being elected, that one takes precedence: if the House of Commons and House of Lords can’t agree, then after something like 3 bounces back and forth, the Commons wins.

The EU itself has a simpler solution for budgets: if they don’t agree next year’s budget in time, the previous year’s budget gets repeated, adjusted for inflation. Which makes more sense, perhaps: if they can’t agree on a change, no change happens.

Presumably there’s a bit of that in place already: “essential” bits of government like the military and law enforcement are still funded, budget or no budget, and things like Social Security seem to recur automatically as well. Maybe that could be extended enough to avoid this high-stakes game of chicken?

143 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:36:16am

The whole thing just stinks. Going to be annoying as hell see all the Republicans and their apologists in the media trying to blame this on Obama. Yeah because Obama and the Democrats were supposed to repeal and defund ACA because that’s what the Republicans demanded. It truly is sad reading stories where Peter King is a voice of reason. So sick of the Tea Party. I’ve been sick of their act from the get go when they acted like the deficit and raising spending was only Obama’s fault.

144 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:44:21am

re: #142 JamesS

Maybe that could be extended enough to avoid this high-stakes game of chicken?

As John Stewart pointed out, this is not a game of Chicken. This is someone driving to work and an asshole (the GOP) swerving into the oncoming lane.

145 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:45:32am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

The shutdown is great and it’s Obama’s fault. //

146 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:47:00am

re: #134 Justanotherhuman

Winning

147 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:48:06am

re: #137 klys

And with that, good night Lizards.

Although I’ve mostly been talking to myself.

But you’re all forgiven anyway.

OK, I’m here, up early even though my job is shutdown because I have a dental checkup. I’ll talk to myself for awhile.

148 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:56:45am

re: #145 Bulworth

The shutdown is great and it’s Obama’s fault. //

Yep fuckers.

149 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:02:23am

Rioting Buddhists, what?

BUDDHIST MOBS KILL 1, TORCH 70 HOMES IN MYANMAR

bigstory.ap.org

No Nirvana for you—bad karma forever.

150 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:02:32am

re: #145 Bulworth

The shutdown is great and it’s Obama’s fault. //

Because government does nothing but interfere with Job Creators in their ongoing efforts to create more well-paid jobs with benefits for American workers, right?

151 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:06:17am

‘Morning, all. Let’s see how long the bastards can keep it up.

152 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:08:13am

So I wake up and already the wingnuts are manning the bulwarks and trying to convince people that Democrats are totally to blame, because they wouldn’t agree to letting Republicans have an ACA scalp and that’s just not how these things work.

It is going to be a LONG week.

153 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:11:48am

re: #152 Targetpractice

So I wake up and already the wingnuts are manning the bulwarks and trying to convince people that Democrats are totally to blame, because they wouldn’t agree to letting Republicans have an ACA scalp and that’s just not how these things work.

It is going to be a LONG week.

And what’s sad is some will believe it. I don’t think they’re going to get away with it this time though. I just hope 2014 that the Democrats have a chance to retake the House and that in our state that Cuccinnelli is crippled by this politically.

154 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:14:08am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

‘Morning, all. Let’s see how long the bastards can keep it up.

Don’t some of them get farm subsidy checks? Those won’t be going out, and for those who get millions of it, it’s gonna hurt bad.

thinkprogress.org

But the IRS won’t audit you during the interim.

Only really stupid people cut off their noses to spite their faces.

155 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:15:37am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

And what’s sad is some will believe it. I don’t think they’re going to get away with it this time though. I just hope 2014 that the Democrats have a chance to retake the House and that in our state that Cuccinnelli is crippled by this politically.

It looks like the libertarian is taking some votes away from Cucinnelli, and neither of them will be able to defeat McAuliffe. So, take heart.

156 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:18:40am

re: #155 Justanotherhuman

It looks like the libertarian is taking some votes away from Cucinnelli, and neither of them will be able to defeat McAuliffe. So, take heart.

Yeah true. I just wish I didn’t live in a state that has this guy as a viable candidate for any office. He’s scary. I wouldn’t want him on my school boar and the thought of him as governor of my state. Agh. It’s sad when you’re seeing George Allen as a voice of relative reason for conservatism within your state.

157 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:22:35am

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

Don’t some of them get farm subsidy checks? Those won’t be going out, and for those who get millions of it, it’s gonna hurt bad.

thinkprogress.org

But the IRS won’t audit you during the interim.

Only really stupid people cut off their noses to spite their faces.

Our TPGOP rep gets $9,000/yr per a different article. They didn’t include her on this list. I’ll work to defeat her, but it’s Alabama.

158 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:28:47am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Yeah true. I just wish I didn’t live in a state that has this guy as a viable candidate for any office. He’s scary. I wouldn’t want him on my school boar and the thought of him as governor of my state. Agh. It’s sad when you’re seeing George Allen as a voice of relative reason for conservatism within your state.

I don’t think Allen will ever live his “Macaca Moment” down, though. Sadly, if he had done the same today, it wouldn’t make a dime’s difference in the same campaign he ran.

Can you imagine that was only 7 yrs ago? It effectively ended Allen’s political career, but also showed how little vetting is done by the press and others (much of his racist and reactionary background was revealed during that period), and how people who hold those views, which now seem to be mainstream for some, have slipped through the cracks over the years, assuming office and changing the face of US politics.

159 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:30:36am

re: #158 Justanotherhuman

I don’t think Allen will ever live his “Macaca Moment” down, though. Sadly, if he had done the same today, it wouldn’t make a dime’s difference in the same campaign he ran.

Can you imagine that was only 7 yrs ago? It effectively ended Allen’s political career, but also showed how little vetting is done by the press and others (much of his racist and reactionary background was revealed during that period), and how people who hold those views, which now seem to be mainstream for some, have slipped through the cracks over the years, assuming office and changing the face of US politics.

He won’t and thank god for that. I think it’s insane how reactionaries seem to be getting more of a foothold in politics. Truly disturbing to read about the evangelical group that bitched enough to get a production of Inherit the Wind shutdown in Minnesota. We’ve got as Frost said miles to go before we can sleep I guess.

160 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:31:52am
161 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:33:52am
162 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:34:53am

re: #160 Bulworth

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Exactly. This attempt by the House GOP to portray this as some sort of “impasse” that is being imposed by Democrats is absolute horseshit. Dems have accepted the sequester already, why should they also have to accept Repubs attempts to chip away at Obamacare? Because it’s “fair”?

163 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:35:14am

YOU BUILT THAT, STEVE

164 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:35:17am

I just feel numb about the whole thing. Not the raw anger I had the first day of the Iraq War or the hope, yes hope I had when Obama won in November 2009. Numbness because I find myself wondering what lies for our future if this kind of shit is going to be the norm.

165 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:36:30am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

I just feel numb about the whole thing. Not the raw anger I had the first day of the Iraq War or the hope, yes hope I had when Obama won in November 2009. Numbness because I find myself wondering what lies for our future if this kind of shit is going to be the norm.

I am merely surprised it took so long

166 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:37:11am

re: #165 Sol Berdinowitz

I am merely surprised it took so long

Yeah it was inevitable from the first night Barack Obama was nominated for president when you look back at it.

167 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:37:37am

re: #163 Vicious Babushka

It’s a crying shame when a grown man congresscritter doesn’t understand the world is laughing at him.

168 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:38:34am

re: #167 Bulworth

It’s a crying shame when a grown man congresscritter doesn’t understand the world is laughing at him.

Even more so that we elect people like Steve Stockman to represent our interests. I am not trying to sound like an elitist here but sometimes I wonder what the fuck is wrong with many of our fellow Americans that they elect shitheads like this.

169 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:38:36am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

I just feel numb about the whole thing. Not the raw anger I had the first day of the Iraq War or the hope, yes hope I had when Obama won in November 2009. Numbness because I find myself wondering what lies for our future if this kind of shit is going to be the norm.

Mostly feeling resignation here…and a bit of lingering soreness in my leg from a bad cramp the other night.

170 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:40:32am

re: #169 Targetpractice

Mostly feeling resignation here…and a bit of lingering soreness in my leg from a bad cramp the other night.

It’s just that I am remembering the first shutdown from when I was a kid and now this happens not long after I finally get my foot in the door with the Feds. It’s only part time but man I’ve worked my ass off for that job. All my academic, work, and even personal improvement went towards that job. And then you hear right wing shits claiming that the president doesn’t want to do anything about jobs and these are the guys who shut down the one I got? It just feels so numb.

171 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:42:43am

Wingnuts are seething and blaming POTUS and the Democrats for the shutdown that the GOP created.

172 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:44:17am

My resignation at this point is because I knew it was eventually going to come to this. That there would be a reckoning and it would come because Boehner is probably one of the worst Speakers of the House in US history. 3 years and 42 votes later, he’s still trying to convince his caucus that they can have that unicorn if they just wish hard enough for it. He’s unwilling to make the hard choice to seek help from Democrats and that’s what will ultimately doom his party.

I honestly don’t have very high hopes for the debt ceiling at the moment either.

173 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:45:13am

Insane wingnut Tweets have been outsourced to some Third World shithole where they don’t speak English. Mississippi perhaps.

174 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:45:13am

re: #172 Targetpractice

My resignation at this point is because I knew it was eventually going to come to this. That would be a reckoning and it would come because Boehner is probably one of the worst Speakers of the House in US history. 3 years and 42 votes later, he’s still trying to convince his caucus that they can have that unicorn if they just wish hard enough for it. He’s unwilling to make the hard choice to seek help from Democrats and that’s what will ultimately doom his party.

I honestly don’t have very high hopes for the debt ceiling at the moment either.

Boehner is the cowardly lion of Speakers.

175 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:48:11am

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

Insane wingnut Tweets have been outsourced to some Third World shithole where they don’t speak English. Mississippi perhaps.

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Yeah I don’t know what the hell that means. I’ll read that though as just another right wing idiotic rant about how everything bad in his life is Obama’s fault. Funny how these guys lecture the rest of us on personal responsibility but want to blame Obama for everything bad in theirs.

176 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:48:21am

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

Insane wingnut Tweets have been outsourced to some Third World shithole where they don’t speak English. Mississippi perhaps.

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ROCKET SURGERY

177 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:48:43am

re: #172 Targetpractice

My resignation at this point is because I knew it was eventually going to come to this. That there would be a reckoning and it would come because Boehner is probably one of the worst Speakers of the House in US history. 3 years and 42 votes later, he’s still trying to convince his caucus that they can have that unicorn if they just wish hard enough for it. He’s unwilling to make the hard choice to seek help from Democrats and that’s what will ultimately doom his party.

I honestly don’t have very high hopes for the debt ceiling at the moment either.

The upcoming debt ceiling issue is, to me, much more worrisome; what I’m seeing from the GOP - and the tantrum-throwing, Teahadi toddlers in particular, doesn’t bode well.

178 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:49:15am

re: #176 Varek Raith

ROCKET SURGERY

Now, now Jessica Simpson is a rocket surgeon compared to this donut physicist.

179 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:51:43am

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

The upcoming debt ceiling issue is, to me, much more worrisome; what I’m seeing from the GOP - and the tantrum-throwing, Teahadi toddlers in particular, doesn’t bode well.

currently it is just a nation embarrassment, should we default on debt, it is an international embarrassment and financial catastrophe…but it is good news if I want to go home to America for Christmas, dollars will be dirt cheap…

180 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:51:47am

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

The upcoming debt ceiling issue is, to me, much more worrisome; what I’m seeing from the GOP - and the tantrum-throwing, Teahadi toddlers in particular, doesn’t bode well.

Does not at all. Rumor was that Boehner wants to try to drag this out a little longer in the hopes that he can roll both together and address them at the same time. But I just don’t see that happening. Why? Because apparently muttering was going around last night that TPers in the House are nervous if Dems do actually accept to go to conference, part of the agreed budget deal will include a debt ceiling increase.

181 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:55:14am

Whose first came up with the idea to blame Harry Reid for the shutdown and then get all the wingnuts to repeat this in unison? Rush? Hannity?

182 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:55:58am

Haha!

183 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:56:01am

re: #181 Vicious Babushka

Whose first came up with the idea to blame Harry Reid for the shutdown and then get all the wingnuts to repeat this in unison? Rush? Hannity?

The same people who insist that government does nothing useful and is better off being shut down…

184 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:57:03am

re: #179 Sol Berdinowitz

Heh. But unfortunately, all too true.

185 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:58:52am

re: #180 Targetpractice

Hmmmm…… yep, not good.

What a bunch of morons; the GOP is now a party of nihilists.

186 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:00:31am

re: #182 Targetpractice

Haha!

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I still remember my Mom reading an email that was circulated around her office following the first shutdown about The Gingrich. I believe it was a spoof of The Grinch. Anyhow, hope Boehner’s proud of himself. He wanted power and he’s got it. Hope he enjoys having no one completely trust him. He should just do the right thing and resign from Congress right now and only return to Washington D.C as a tourist.

187 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:00:43am

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

Hmmmm…… yep, not good.

What a bunch of morons; the GOP is now a party of nihilists.

Nobody in the party had the nerve to call these people out and point out the glaring inconsitencies in their ideologies, policies and demands. Now they are all shouting from disparate corners and accomplishing nothing but confusion and chaos.

188 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:07:46am

re: #187 Sol Berdinowitz

Nobody in the party had the nerve to call these people out and point out the glaring inconsitencies in their ideologies, policies and demands. Now they are all shouting from disparate corners and accomplishing nothing but confusion and chaos.

Last night left me with the impression that the GOP has replaced the DNC entirely as the epitome of spinelessness. You had one guy in the House who spent yesterday calling those who voted for Boehner’s brainfarts “lemmings” but still voted for last night’s bill, while Collins got press yesterday for calling out the House GOP and the damage such bills are doing…before voting for last night’s bill when it came to the Senate.

Despite all their talk about convictions, when it comes down to it, the GOP has none. At this point, they’re going through the motions in the hopes that they can survive primary challenges.

189 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:09:23am

re: #188 Targetpractice

Despite all their talk about convictions, when it comes down to it, the GOP has none. At this point, they’re going through the motions in the hopes that they can survive primary challenges.

And that is the disproportionate power the Tea Party holds over the GOP - the power to primarize anybody who dares put actual governing over ideological purity.

190 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:09:45am

re: #181 Vicious Babushka

Whose first came up with the idea to blame Harry Reid for the shutdown and then get all the wingnuts to repeat this in unison? Rush? Hannity?

winning

191 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:10:08am

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

Hmmmm…… yep, not good.

What a bunch of morons; the GOP is now a party of nihilists.

And yet—not one probably ever read Nietzsche or else understood what they read.

192 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:10:20am

re: #187 Sol Berdinowitz

Nobody in the party had the nerve to call these people out and point out the glaring inconsitencies in their ideologies, policies and demands. Now they are all shouting from disparate corners and accomplishing nothing but confusion and chaos.

The GOP civil war has begun. This is but the first salvo; the problem is the extent of the ‘collateral damage’ that will inevitably occur.

193 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:11:08am

re: #188 Targetpractice

Last night left me with the impression that the GOP has replaced the DNC entirely as the epitome of spinelessness. You had one guy in the House who spent yesterday calling those who voted for Boehner’s brainfarts “lemmings” but still voted for last night’s bill, while Collins got press yesterday for calling out the House GOP and the damage such bills are doing…before voting for last night’s bill when it came to the Senate.

Despite all their talk about convictions, when it comes down to it, the GOP has none. At this point, they’re going through the motions in the hopes that they can survive primary challenges.

That’s the thing. They’re not voting for stuff or against it out of principle. They are because they are afraid they will get primaried by someone even more extreme. Someone in the Republican Party needs to call this shit out but I think it’s too late. This party has become a party of populist demagogues where saying one nice word about President Obama can result in a primary challenge for being “insufficiently conservative.”

194 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:11:24am

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

Insane wingnut Tweets have been outsourced to some Third World shithole where they don’t speak English. Mississippi perhaps.

Florida panhandle. Same thing.

195 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:12:00am

Jesus tapdancing Christ

196 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:12:20am

Nothing against the Florida panhandle, had a great time in Panama City Beach on Spring Break many years ago. Etc, etc.

197 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:12:22am
198 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:12:46am

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

Except the shutdown is teh awesome. //

199 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:13:18am

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

Confirmed. FACT.

200 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:13:47am

re: #192 Dr Lizardo

The GOP civil war has begun. This is but the first salvo; the problem is the extent of the ‘collateral damage’ that will inevitably occur.

Yeah the internal GOP civil war means the rest of us have to suffer. I saw here yesterday that the Chamber of Commerce is upset at the TPers for the shit they’re pulling. Well guys, maybe you should have just been willing to pay a little more in taxes but no you had to astroturf these lunatics and give them to us. I didn’t vote for this crap and I think there’s a to curiously quote Nixon a silent majority of Americans who are tired of the Tea Party’s collective tantrum at the president. I think they keep on trying to repeal ACA because deep down they know that it’s not a bad program and that it will end up like Medicare or SS and people will like it even.

201 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:14:24am

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

Ignorant bastard obviously is a scofflaw, and swallows the swill for maximum effect.

“Obamacare” is the fucking law! Get used to it! Get over it!

202 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:15:52am

OBAMACARE IS SLAVERY!!!1!! IT TEH SLAVERY OF OUR TIMEZ!!!11!!

203 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:16:24am

re: #192 Dr Lizardo

The GOP civil war has begun. This is but the first salvo; the problem is the extent of the ‘collateral damage’ that will inevitably occur.

“The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote.”

204 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:16:51am

How the hell can you shove down one’s throat something that was already passed and had its legality accepted? Tough shit, you right wing motherfuckers, it’s law. You don’t have to like it but you don’t get to hold the American people hostage over it either. And I love how the delay is the meme now. Yeah let’s ignore the fact that Romney said he would repeal ACA or the numerous repeal attempts that Boehner has let through the House. Bull-fucking-shit you right wing fucks.

205 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:16:51am

I’m trying to find some good in all of this.

Yep, trying. I’m finding it extremely trying.

206 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:17:02am

re: #203 Targetpractice

We are all Kosh.

207 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:17:02am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

A few Republicans have said that the longer the PPACA stays on the books, and the more people that enroll and participate it in, that it will become impossible to undo it and even worse, people may come to count on it, much like Social Security or Medicare.

That is, when all is said and done, the GOP’s - and the Teahadis in particular - worst nightmare.

208 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:19:45am

re: #207 Dr Lizardo

A few Republicans have said that the PPACA stays on the books, and the more people that enroll and participate it in, that it will become impossible to undo it and even worse, people make come to count on it, much like Social Security or Medicare.

That is, when all is said and done, the GOP’s - and the Teahadis in particular - worst nightmare.

I liked it when Obama pointed out to Romney in the debates that ACA was inspired by his very popular program in Massachusetts. Romney being the spineless weasel he is tried to claim that it was just a state thing even though Romney was on record saying his plan should be a model for the nation at large. It’s not even about ideology with them. With some people, I can see they have sincere ideological problems with ACA- now I strongly disagree mind you but they’re not like the GOP who embraced what we call Obamcare today when it was being proposed as an alternative to Clintoncare in the 90’s or by Romney as governor of Massachusetts. To the GOP, this is all about a Democratic president having a successful legislative accomplishment.

209 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:20:28am

re: #192 Dr Lizardo

The GOP civil war has begun. This is but the first salvo; the problem is the extent of the ‘collateral damage’ that will inevitably occur.

The WIC mothers and children seem to be the first across the minefield.

210 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:22:12am

re: #209 Decatur Deb

The WIC mothers and children seem to be the first across the minefield.

Yeah, that’s what I’ve read elsewhere.

Sick bastards; so much for “family values”. Blatant hypocrisy.

211 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:22:45am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

That’s the thing. They’re not voting for stuff or against it out of principle. They are because they are afraid they will get primaried by someone even more extreme. Someone in the Republican Party needs to call this shit out but I think it’s too late. This party has become a party of populist demagogues where saying one nice word about President Obama can result in a primary challenge for being “insufficiently conservative.”

So, do you or anyone think some of this will all go away once the black fellow is out of office? I think you all know what I am hinting at.

212 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:23:02am

re: #210 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, that’s what I’ve read elsewhere.

Sick bastards; so much for “family values”. Blatant hypocrisy.

“Family values” is just slang for “Being a dick to a family member who is gay or not a fundamentalist zealot.”

213 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:23:40am
214 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:24:11am

re: #207 Dr Lizardo

A few Republicans have said that the longer the PPACA stays on the books, and the more people that enroll and participate it in, that it will become impossible to undo it and even worse, people may come to count on it, much like Social Security or Medicare.

That is, when all is said and done, the GOP’s - and the Teahadis in particular - worst nightmare.

I believe that Micelle Bachmann compared it to crack cocaine, once the people try it, they will become addicted to it.

215 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:24:24am

re: #211 ObserverArt

So, do you or anyone think some of this will all go away once the black fellow is out of office? I think you all know what I am hinting at.

Wife’s theory is that they hate women even more than they hate blacks, so probably not.

216 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:24:59am

re: #211 ObserverArt

So, do you or anyone think some of this will all go away once the black fellow is out of office? I think you all know what I am hinting at.

No, I do not. I’m old enough to remember the hatred that I saw directed at Clinton and his wife by the right and remember how Gore and Kerry were viewed. It doesn’t matter if Hillary, Governor Cuomo, O’Malley, or whoever replaces President Obama as the Democratic Party’s standard bearer, I think the GOP base will find some fault with them and some rationalization to try to knee-cap them politically at each turn. Now that said, yes I do think a lot of the hatred directed Obama’s way is racially inspired. To think otherwise is foolishness IMO.

217 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:25:38am

Whose freaking idea was it to blame Harry Reid and get the whole wingnutosphere to chant in unison?

218 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:26:18am

re: #199 Bulworth

Confirmed. FACT.

And we can mock and laugh at it all we want, but it is the truth to them. Sadly. A complete suspension of reality just so long as it fulfills a base belief.

219 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:26:19am

re: #217 Vicious Babushka

Whose freaking idea was it to blame Harry Reid and get the whole wingnutosphere to chant in unison?

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Negotiate? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

220 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:26:30am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

I do think a lot of the hatred directed Obama’s way is racially inspired. To think otherwise is foolishness IMO.

It is not and you are a reverse racist!

221 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:26:47am

re: #214 Sol Berdinowitz

I believe that Micelle Bachmann compared it to crack cocaine, once the people try it, they will become addicted to it.

Yes, she did, in an epic dogwhistle. That dogwhistle was so loud, hell I heard it all the way over here in Europe.

222 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:26:58am

re: #220 Sol Berdinowitz

It is not and you are a reverse racist!

You mean worse than Hitler.

223 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:27:30am

re: #221 Dr Lizardo

Yes, she did, in an epic dogwhistle. That dogwhistle was so loud, hell I heard it all the way over here in Europe.

It was a dogwhistle that even Lee Atwater would be ashamed of.

224 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:32:30am

This shows how much the teaparty cares about JOBS and EMPLOYMENT:

225 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:32:31am

re: #211 ObserverArt

So, do you or anyone think some of this will all go away once the black fellow is out of office? I think you all know what I am hinting at.

I’m thinking if Hillary Clinton gets in in 2016 we’re gonna be Benghazi’d until January 2021, with the possibility of a rollover until 2025.

I just can’t imagine guys like Cruz and Stockman and Gohmert (thanks, Texas!) turning down the white noise simply because Obama is out of office.

They’ve shut down the government for the last two Democratic presidents. I have no reason to believe they wouldn’t try for a third.

226 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:33:54am

BUT REMEMBER: SHUTDOWN IS HARRY REID’S FAULT!!!1!!!!

227 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:34:44am

re: #224 Vicious Babushka

This shows how much the teaparty cares about JOBS and EMPLOYMENT:

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This “non-essential” bit is getting on my fucking nerves. People seem to think that you can run a government with a skeleton crew.

228 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:35:17am

re: #224 Vicious Babushka

This shows how much the teaparty cares about JOBS and EMPLOYMENT:

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It’s stupid. They don’t understand what essential and non-essential means in the case of a shutdown. And it’s funny hearing from people who get their information from talk show hosts about what a “real job” is.

229 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:36:08am

re: #227 Targetpractice

This “non-essential” bit is getting on my fucking nerves. People seem to think that you can run a government with a skeleton crew.

It’s just like the evolution is only a theory people. They use that word, I do not think they get its meaning.

230 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:39:19am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

It’s stupid. They don’t understand what essential and non-essential means in the case of a shutdown. And it’s funny hearing from people who get their information from talk show hosts about what a “real job” is.

These same people Tweet the bullshit meme that MOAR PEOPLE TAKE FOOD STAMPZ THEN TEH POPULATION OF SPAIN!!!111!! THEIR ARE STATES WEAR MOAR PEOPLE ARE ON WELFARE THEN HAV JRRBZ!!!1!! (to get the latter statistic, they count everyone employed by the government as “on welfare” because “GOVERNMENT JRRBZ DON’T CREEYATE WELTH!!!!11!!!!

231 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:39:32am

re: #225 BongCrodny

I’m thinking if Hillary Clinton gets in in 2016 we’re gonna be Benghazi’d until January 2021, with the possibility of a rollover until 2025.

I just can’t imagine guys like Cruz and Stockman and Gohmert (thanks, Texas!) turning down the white noise simply because Obama is out of office.

They’ve shut down the government for the last two Democratic presidents. I have no reason to believe they wouldn’t try for a third.

I think we’ll see an impeachment attempt on Obama before it’s all over. This is feeling like the late 90’s all over again except I’m grown up and actually have to deal with the first hand effects of the Republicans acting like toddlers rather than seeing my friends parrot their parents’ talking points.

232 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:39:49am

So, how long is the MSM going to keep reporting The Big Lie being told over and over by congressional idiots pushing their bosses’ agenda? You actually think 72% of The People want you speaking for them? To do “their will”? Really? You’re nothing but a bunch of lying bastards who will stop at nothing to push your deadly ideology. If you’re going to give them time and space to foment this kind of bullshit, at least have the guts to call them on their lies and have facts at hand to rebut them. In other words, do your damn job, for a change.

“American voters oppose 72 - 22 percent Congress shutting down the federal government to block implementation of the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

“Voters also oppose 64 - 27 percent blocking an increase in the nation’s debt ceiling as a way to stop Obamacare, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds. “

quinnipiac.edu

I hope these same voters finally understand what you’re about, and will send you packing at the first opportunity. Time for the rest of us to get off the pot and educate voters in a concerned, non-confrontational way about how voting for these POS is no way to run a govt or country. Get our view across and confront those in the media who give legitimacy to this kind of life-eroding politics.

233 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:41:44am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Yeah the internal GOP civil war means the rest of us have to suffer. I saw here yesterday that the Chamber of Commerce is upset at the TPers for the shit they’re pulling. Well guys, maybe you should have just been willing to pay a little more in taxes but no you had to astroturf these lunatics and give them to us. I didn’t vote for this crap and I think there’s a to curiously quote Nixon a silent majority of Americans who are tired of the Tea Party’s collective tantrum at the president. I think they keep on trying to repeal ACA because deep down they know that it’s not a bad program and that it will end up like Medicare or SS and people will like it even.

Been commenting in much the same way as what is bolded in your comment above.

I just hope the silent majority doesn’t stay silent out of resignation. The resignation due to the simple fact the processes to allow the silent majority to be heard are broken.

How else to explain a party that is at their lowest point, with a majority of members against their own direction, still follows the loud mouths?

It would be a fascinating study. Too bad it is here in our won country.

234 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:42:14am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

You mean worse than Hitler.

Hitler and slavery combined, with a side dish of Shariah…

235 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:43:36am
236 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:45:10am

re: #227 Targetpractice

This “non-essential” bit is getting on my fucking nerves. People seem to think that you can run a government with a skeleton crew.

“Non-essential” (not even the actual current term) has a strong element of immediacy. A fire-fighting team is essential today. Workers in the fire service logistics chain are essential two fires from now. Over decades in the DoD i saw repeated cuts that long since eliminated any positions that could be spared for the long haul.

237 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:49:40am

re: #236 Decatur Deb

“Non-essential” (not even the actual current term) has a strong element of immediacy. A fire-fighting team is essential today. Workers in the fire service logistics chain are essential two fires from now. Over decades in the DoD i saw repeated cuts that long since eliminated any positions that could be spared for the long haul.

“Essential” as in positions whose loss would cost more than it takes to maintain them.

238 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:50:17am

Oh, and in classic “I’m totally not running for the presidency” fashion, Christie was declaring in an interview last night that the shutdown is due to (what else?) a “failure of leadership” and if he were president, he’d have sat both sides down in a room and declared they could not leave until “something were worked out.”

239 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:50:24am

re: #235 Vicious Babushka

Putting the US in default is what the Teahadis are aiming for, in my opinion. They believe that if they can engineer a financial apocalypse, they will be the ones to rise from the ruins and take over and lead American to a “glorious rebirth”.

We had to destroy the village in order to save it; that sort of thinking.

240 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:51:08am

‘Morning, Lizards…

I’m wondering if there’s a place that supplies numbers of how many people are signing up for ACA.

What better way to illustrate the level of TGOP fail than to show how many people are signing up, despite the shutdown?

241 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:51:38am

Well, apparently the bit about firearms permits isn’t correct. Seems that NICS, according to an FFL friend of mine who got notified by BATF, will keep running. The only thing that will slow down is NFA permits (full auto, short barrel rifles & shotguns, sound suppressors & etc). But the great American passtime of buying and selling guns will keep on going.

242 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:52:45am

re: #237 Sol Berdinowitz

“Essential” as in positions whose loss would cost more than it takes to maintain them.

No, that would have been a good definition until the Carter administration. His rules, Reagan, and the Al Gore re-invention, were budget-cap driven—Cut 10%, and the rest is ‘essential’. Repeat next cycle.

243 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:53:25am

re: #215 Decatur Deb

Wife’s theory is that they hate women even more than they hate blacks, so probably not.

I understand her point. Sadly I do not share it. What happens if we have a black woman!!! Or, the absolute worse, a dark-skinned woman that has African, Hispanic and Middle Eastern blood and is a liberal progressive.

244 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:53:30am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Oh, and in classic “I’m totally not running for the presidency” fashion, Christie was declaring in an interview last night that the shutdown is due to (what else?) a “failure of leadership” and if he were president, he’d have sat both sides down in a room and declared they could not leave until “something were worked out.”

Yawn Chris, yawn. Seriously? How is it a failure of leadership on Obama’s part? What’s he supposed to do. Sure, TPers, I’ll repeal ACA because you asked so nicely. // Christie should know better than to spout off crap like this but because he’s trying to look like he’s above it all, this is the kind of crap we can expect.

245 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:54:00am

re: #243 ObserverArt

I understand her point. Sadly I do not share it. What happens if we have a black woman!!! Or, the absolute worse, a dark-skinned woman that has African, Hispanic and Middle Eastern blood and is a liberal progressive.

Heaven forbid if she’s a lesbian.

246 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:54:03am

re: #243 ObserverArt

I understand her point. Sadly I do not share it. What happens if we have a black woman!!! Or, the absolute worse, a dark-skinned woman that has African, Hispanic and Middle Eastern blood and is a liberal progressive.

With a wife.

247 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:54:26am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Heaven forbid if she’s a lesbian.

3 seconds.

248 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:55:19am

re: #247 Decatur Deb

3 seconds.

Great minds, DD, great minds.

249 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:55:53am

re: #76 Lidane

Ah. So the winners of this are Glenn Beck and Goldline. Generate a panic after years of convincing folk that GOLD is the answer.

And I see the Ron Paul celebratory gifs already.

250 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:56:19am

re: #249 Feline Fearless Leader

Ah. So the winners of this are Glenn Beck and Goldline. Generate a panic after years of convincing folk that GOLD is the answer.

And I see the Ron Paul celebratory gifs already.

Ron Paul wuz right, buy morez goldz?

251 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:56:42am

re: #225 BongCrodny

I’m thinking if Hillary Clinton gets in in 2016 we’re gonna be Benghazi’d until January 2021, with the possibility of a rollover until 2025.

I just can’t imagine guys like Cruz and Stockman and Gohmert (thanks, Texas!) turning down the white noise simply because Obama is out of office.

They’ve shut down the government for the last two Democratic presidents. I have no reason to believe they wouldn’t try for a third.

You know, this comment gives me pause. I was not keeping in mind the fact the last government shutdown was during Clinton’s time in office. It also causes me to remember how much ground guys like Limbaugh made during those same years.

Thanks for the reminder.

252 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:57:29am

re: #244 HappyWarrior

Yawn Chris, yawn. Seriously? How is it a failure of leadership on Obama’s part? What’s he supposed to do. Sure, TPers, I’ll repeal ACA because you asked so nicely. // Christie should know better than to spout off crap like this but because he’s trying to look like he’s above it all, this is the kind of crap we can expect.

I’d like to pose to Christie to question of if, in the event that he’d managed to get a major domestic accomplishment through under his theoretical presidency, he’d allow Democrats to hold the nation hostage unless he agreed to the slow dismantling of it. My guess is the answer would be “No.” Though I’m sure he’d try to mumble something about how it’s totally Obama’s fault that he’s not convinced the GOP to accept the ACA.

253 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:58:48am

re: #252 Targetpractice

I’d like to pose to Christie to question of if, in the event that he’d managed to get a major domestic accomplishment through under his theoretical presidency, he’d allow Democrats to hold the nation hostage unless he agreed to the slow dismantling of it. My guess is the answer would be “No.” Though I’m sure he’d try to mumble something about how it’s totally Obama’s fault that he’s not convinced the GOP to accept the ACA.

It’s a good question. Too bad the media probably is just throwing him softball questions about his weight loss.

254 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:00:26am

Roger Simon says this so well.

The frauds on the Hill target Obama

“Who are these people? Of what are they made that they can say and do such things on the floor of Congress?

(snip)

“We live in a time when outright buffoonery passes for statesmanship. We live in a time when a 21-hour non-filibuster filibuster by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) leads not to general hilarity but serious consideration of how it will help Cruz run for president in 2016.

“Nor can the tragicomedy even be questioned. When a reporter asked Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) on Saturday what he would do if his efforts to defund Obamacare should fail, Issa stuck his nose into the reporter’s face and shrilled, “How dare you presume a failure? How dare you? How dare you? How dare you?”

Read more: politico.com

255 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:01:01am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. GOPers are busy blaming Democrats for not caving to their extortionist demands, while most people blame the GOP or Congress more generally for not getting a deal done.

Problem is no deal can be done with the TP Extortionists in Congress. They are of a single minded determination to eliminate Obamacare by any means necessary.

41 votes to repeal? Tried that - and failed.
Refuse to fund the government without adding Obamacare poison pills (delay, defund, destroy). Doing that - and shutting down government in process.

Next up? Debt ceiling with poison pill added. Expect the same results, even though everyone knows this would be disastrous.

The shutdown wont have catastrophic results right away. And that’s why the TP Extortionists are gleeful. Because the shutdown has a cumulative effect, it wont be felt in some quarters for quite a while.

But folks that rely on National Park tourism? They’re screwed.
Folks who work for the federal government in non-essential capacities? They’re screwed.

Oh, and I’ve even seen some complaining that the White House chefs are considered essential. Yeah, they are. They’ve got special training to make sure that the food served at the WH is properly prepared through the food distribution chain - to make sure that people aren’t poisoned or contaminated.

The TP Extortionists are getting what they want - chaos - and are already moving forward towards the debt ceiling fight without addressing the CR to fund government.

They must be stopped, and if the GOP leadership cannot or will not put them down, then we’re going to be in for some dark days ahead.

Remember - these TP Extortionists were elected by their constituents to disrupt government and repeal Obamacare. Failing that, they’re going to create as much chaos as possible. Years of propaganda decrying everything Obama touches is coming home to roost, knowing full well that the Obamacare will not be the disaster that the GOP and TP Extortionists claim it to be. That’s their greatest fear. That’s why they’ve tried so mightly to strangle the program in the crib before it has a chance to get going.

256 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:01:24am

re: #254 Justanotherhuman

Roger Simon says this so well.

The frauds on the Hill target Obama

“Who are these people? Of what are they made that they can say and do such things on the floor of Congress?

(snip)

“We live in a time when outright buffoonery passes for statesmanship. We live in a time when a 21-hour non-filibuster filibuster by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) leads not to general hilarity but serious consideration of how it will help Cruz run for president in 2016.

“Nor can the tragicomedy even be questioned. When a reporter asked Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) on Saturday what he would do if his efforts to defund Obamacare should fail, Issa stuck his nose into the reporter’s face and shrilled, “How dare you presume a failure? How dare you? How dare you? How dare you?”

Read more: politico.com

Well Issa is in for a rude awakening and I hope he’s unemployed soon.

257 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:02:42am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Heaven forbid if she’s a lesbian.

Damn…forgot to throw that one in. Can it get any worse? Yes…a humanist (agnostic/atheist) too.

258 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:02:44am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Oh, and in classic “I’m totally not running for the presidency” fashion, Christie was declaring in an interview last night that the shutdown is due to (what else?) a “failure of leadership” and if he were president, he’d have sat both sides down in a room and declared they could not leave until “something were worked out.”

So, Christie would negotiate with terrorists? Because that’s exactly how I see those particular congressional misfits who would hold the govt and the country hostage to get across their ideology.

I could go all Godwin on this, but I’m sure people get my point.

259 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:03:22am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Oh, and in classic “I’m totally not running for the presidency” fashion, Christie was declaring in an interview last night that the shutdown is due to (what else?) a “failure of leadership” and if he were president, he’d have sat both sides down in a room and declared they could not leave until “something were worked out.”

Well, to be fair with Christie the threat would be real. Like me, he could just sit in front of the door and no one inside the room would be able to haul him clear of it.

260 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:04:56am

The right is all upset that President Obama is talking with the President of Iran. They’re saying Obama will talk to him but he won’t talk to us. Maybe because the new president of Iran is a more reasonable man than many who make up the GOP caucus. The GOP has only themselves to blame for President Obama refusing to negotiate with them on this. He’s given into their demands often than not. He’s not going to repeal ACA for you, just deal with that fact.

261 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:06:48am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Great minds, DD, great minds.

Hey, give me credit, someone needs to get the engines warmed up to perform at their maximum!

; )

262 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:07:28am
263 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:08:02am

re: #261 ObserverArt

Hey, give me credit, someone needs to get the engines warmed up to perform at their maximum!

; )

Heh sorry, sure. I made a joke the other day that if we have your hypothetical black agnostic lesbian Muslim etc that we won’t even be able to name post offices.

264 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:08:28am

re: #262 Vicious Babushka

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Ask him anything?

Alright Glenn, here’s a question: Exactly how far up your own ass do you figure you can fit your head before this is all over?

265 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:08:45am

re: #262 Vicious Babushka

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To quote Cartman, no one gives a rat’s ass,, Glenn. But I admire your valiant effort to stay relevant while you become yesterday’s news.

266 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:09:37am

re: #224 Vicious Babushka

and spelling…

267 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:10:34am

Glenn, are you disappointed that the South Park NSA episode did not make a cartoon of you, the way they did for that worfress Arec Barwin?

268 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:11:23am

Got some concern trolls suggesting that the GOP’s bills have been “compromises” that Democrats won’t accept. Compromise? If I go from saying I’ll cut off your hand to cutting off your fingers to two fingers of your choice, is that much of a compromise?

269 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:11:27am

re: #262 Vicious Babushka

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Poor GG, not getting enough attention these days. Pushed out of view because some of his approving pals in Congress are the same kind of clueless traitors GG himself is.

Yeah, I said it. And I mean it.

270 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:12:16am

Jeannie-ology is the lamest “attempt at comedy” in the entire history of Teh Twitters!

271 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:13:30am

WTFITS

272 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:13:32am

re: #268 Targetpractice

Got some concern trolls suggesting that the GOP’s bills have been “compromises” that Democrats won’t accept. Compromise? If I go from saying I’ll cut off your hand to cutting off your fingers to two fingers of your choice, is that much of a compromise?

What are they supposed to compromise on realistically? Okay, say Obama did give in to their demand on ACA. Then what? I’m sure the TPers will figure that if they can get Obama to hypothetically repeal ACA, they can get him to repeal other things. Leaders should be willing to compromise but they don’t have to cut off limb from limb to save their body. The Republican demands of President Obama are simply unreasonable and no Republican would be happy if the tables were turned.

273 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:14:02am

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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How could they be part of a movement that was formed after they died? God the stupid it hurts.

274 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:14:50am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

How could they be part of a movement that was formed after they died? God the stupid it hurts.

ZOMBIES!

275 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:14:52am

Obamacare is such a failure. Yeah it’s the first day of it and they’re already convinced that it’s a failure. Herpy derpy derp you fucktards.

276 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:15:05am

re: #274 Vicious Babushka

ZOMBIES!

Zombie like tea.

277 b.d.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:15:19am

re: #262 Vicious Babushka

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Hahahaha, Ask Me Anything. That doesn’t mean that he won’t cherry pick the questions he want s to answer though.

[dudebro]Dearest Glenn, Who is dreamiset? You, Assange or Snowden?[/dudebro]

[sirota]Glenn, can I wash your car and can I have your real email address?[/sirota]

278 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:15:34am

9/11 first responders still getting sick. Doctors are reporting that NYPD officers who spent time either at Ground Zero or Fresh Kills sorting debris for remains are seeing cancer at a higher rate than those officers who didn’t spend time there.

The cancer rate for cops has jumped fivefold in the decade since the World Trade Center’s twin towers collapsed, an NYPD study shows.

And there’s been a tenfold increase in cops diagnosed with thyroid cancer, while the number falling ill with non-Hodgkins lymphoma has gone up by a factor of 3 1/2.

An NYPD surgeon is sounding the alarm over the increased cancer rates, noting that most members of the department did rescue and recovery work at toxic sites post-9/11.

Early awareness is particularly important for these two cancers because they’re often symptomless until it’s too late, said Dr. Eli Kleinman, chief surgeon for the NYPD.

Kleinman and Cornell Weill Medical Center gathered the cancer information as part of an NYPD study that analyzed cancer rates among cops from 1995 to 2011.

The full results won’t be out for another few months, but Kleinman says it’s important information for cops to have sooner rather than later.

This is yet another of the lingering effects of the attacks.

279 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:16:09am
280 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:16:38am

re: #279 lawhawk

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And George Takei for the win.

281 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:16:55am

re: #278 lawhawk

9/11 first responders still getting sick. Doctors are reporting that NYPD officers who spent time either at Ground Zero or Fresh Kills sorting debris for remains are seeing cancer at a higher rate than those officers who didn’t spend time there.

This is yet another of the lingering effects of the attacks.

So what you’re saying is we should cut benefits for first responders? Sorry for the snark but it sucks. We endure tragedies like this and we have a party that wants to cut healthcare benefits because they don’t want to pay a little more in taxes.

282 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:16:55am

re: #211 ObserverArt

So, do you or anyone think some of this will all go away once the black fellow is out of office? I think you all know what I am hinting at.

If they make any progress against the ACA or other social legislation, no. At that point they will be convinced they can shrink government via tantrum/shut-down and then eventually drown it in a bathtub. And at some point they can potentially self-fulfill the prophecy about the libertarian dream (to others, a nightmare) by knocking out enough social supports that something successfully pushes things over the brink.

283 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:17:50am
284 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:18:11am
285 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:19:03am

BUT SHUTDOWN IS HARRY REID & DEMOCRATZ FAULT!!!1!!!!

286 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:19:23am

One billion dollars per week now disappears from the economy. Congress fails to do their job.

Walls street responds with an up market.

WTF?

287 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:20:01am

re: #285 Vicious Babushka

BUT SHUTDOWN IS HARRY REID & DEMOCRATZ FAULT!!!1!!!!

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Yeah because it’s cause for celebration that naturalization ceremonies are canceled today because of the shutdown. It’s all about annoying liberals. Dumbfuckingasses.

288 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:20:15am

re: #284 Vicious Babushka

A very serious Senator speaks to a very serious TV personality….//

289 b.d.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:20:25am

re: #284 Vicious Babushka

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I would rather gouge my eyes out than watch Rand Paul be interviewed b Geraldo.

290 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:20:42am

re: #278 lawhawk

9/11 first responders still getting sick. Doctors are reporting that NYPD officers who spent time either at Ground Zero or Fresh Kills sorting debris for remains are seeing cancer at a higher rate than those officers who didn’t spend time there.

This is yet another of the lingering effects of the attacks.

Do you recall the assurances from EPA during cleanup? I always thought those a bald d faced lie. The real experts knew better.

291 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:21:05am

re: #281 HappyWarrior

The GOP blocked and delayed the Zadroga Act, which created a compensation fund for folks like these 9/11 responders from the NYPD. Congress finally approved a slightly smaller fund than what was requested.

The GOP went from GWB who said that he’d get the aid though to those who need it after the attacks (promising whatever rebuilding assistance NYC needed to Sen. Schumer after the attacks) to the GOP who says Go Frak Yourself to the responders (and everyone else) if they don’t get their way.

292 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:21:05am

re: #288 Bulworth

A very serious Senator speaks to a very serious TV personality….//

Perhaps Geraldo will show Rand Paul where Al Capone’s vault is and presto all our economic troubles will be gone and we’ll get some whiskey out of it too.

293 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:21:39am

re: #291 lawhawk

The GOP blocked and delayed the Zadroga Act, which created a compensation fund for folks like these 9/11 responders from the NYPD. Congress finally approved a slightly smaller fund than what was requested.

The GOP went from GWB who said that he’d get the aid though to those who need it after the attacks (promising whatever rebuilding assistance NYC needed to Sen. Schumer after the attacks) to the GOP who says Go Frak Yourself to the responders (and everyone else) if they don’t get their way.

Devolution at its worse. I never thought I’d miss Bush being the frontman for the GOP but I do now.

294 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:21:41am

Wow…you know what really sucks? Waking up to turn on the TV and have the Chuck Todd Show running. What an annoying little prick. At least his first guest did a pretty good job of schooling him on the Affordable Care Act.

Oh, and good morning.

295 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:23:50am

re: #290 Political Atheist

Do you recall the assurances from EPA during cleanup? I always thought those a bald d faced lie. The real experts knew better.

The EPA are real experts, but they did fuck that one up big-time. They did a ton since then to clear hazardous stuff from the area.

296 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:23:57am

re: #286 Political Atheist

Wall Street baked this result into their actions over the past few days. They were expecting it - which was why there were down days. If the shutdown lasts for any significant amount of time, it’s going to affect those on the exchanges too - especially those with contracts affected by the shutdown.

The real bear in the room is the debt ceiling where the TP Extortionists are demanding defund/delay/destroy Obamacare in exchange for raising the ceiling. That will get the markets roiled like nothing else - and cause significant economic disruptions right away as the markets have nothing else to go on - it’s unprecedented that the debt ceiling is not raised ahead of time.

The TPExtortionists are playing chicken with the economy and they have no problem steering right over the cliff.

297 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:25:29am

WTFITS

298 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:26:10am

“Sorry, but we won’t be tweeting/responding to replies during the government shutdown. Be back as soon as possible. notice.USA.gov
nasa.gov”

299 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:26:34am
300 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:27:05am

re: #297 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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I didn’t know Ben smoked crack; interesting factoid.

Snark aside, I wish I could find Hebrew National over here…. I love ‘em! Nom, nom, nom.

301 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:27:34am

re: #297 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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No, Ben, I don’t smoke crack like you guys on Breitbart.com do but thanks for asking. I just you know don’t like seeing people’s livelihoods being fucked over by immature pricks who can’t accept ACA being law. I don’t like my sister in law’s sister having to fly in here to D.C on her own dime and having her naturalization ceremony delayed because your party and ideology again can’t accept ACA being implemented. Or schoolchildren looking forward to their first trip to our nation’s capital being ruined by partisan hacks like yourself. But keep on telling yourself that Democrats are the hysterical ones you freak.

302 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:28:52am

re: #299 lawhawk

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The mafia was more reasonable than these prick sandwiches.

303 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:29:07am
304 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:29:45am
305 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:30:17am

re: #303 lawhawk

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Because the IT support for the website is “non-essential” personnel.

306 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:31:28am

re: #304 darthstar

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A pinprick or just some of our livelihoods you stupid moron who shouldn’t have even been elected to a PTA let alone run a state. But she again shows why McCain’s staffers were on some bad drugs when they picked her.

307 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:31:44am

re: #305 Vicious Babushka

Because the IT support for the website is “non-essential” personnel.

if the website does not work it’s the democrats’ fault, remember?

308 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:32:06am

How many times have we seen one or more popular sites rendered virtually unusable in the event of millions of people trying to pull up the page at the same time? But HC.Gov doesn’t show for some on Day One and that’s considered “failure.”

ARGH!

309 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:32:49am

re: #297 Vicious Babushka

Gee, way to throw in an (un)intended blood libel “joke” about Hebrew National there Ben. What an asshat.

310 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:32:50am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Heh sorry, sure. I made a joke the other day that if we have your hypothetical black agnostic lesbian Muslim etc that we won’t even be able to name post offices.

No worry. We all know the Post Office is another target. Shut it down…naming problems solved.

311 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:32:53am

re: #303 lawhawk

Ooh…love batting at low hanging fruit.

312 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:34:06am

Had no problem with healthcare.gov but I am not on an agenda to find every fault with ACA.

313 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:34:19am

re: #311 darthstar

now now, he intentionally did that to keep the link from coming up

314 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:34:31am

E-mail away everyone! With the NSA short-staffed they won’t have time to read everything!
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315 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:34:43am

re: #308 Targetpractice

How many times have we seen one or more popular sites rendered virtually unusable in the event of millions of people trying to pull up the page at the same time? But HC.Gov doesn’t show for some on Day One and that’s considered “failure.”

ARGH!

Google, Facebook, and even sites like Amazon have crashed due to volume of users. News sites crash frequently during major news events.

That you’ve got a whole lot of people clamoring to visit these sites on day one shouldn’t surprise. When you’ve got millions of people interested in getting health insurance for the first time, they’re curious about the offerings and what it means to them.

That’s not a sign of failure. It’s a sign of pent up demand.

316 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:34:58am
317 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:35:19am

re: #315 lawhawk

Google, Facebook, and even sites like Amazon have crashed due to volume of users. News sites crash frequently during major news events.

That you’ve got a whole lot of people clamoring to visit these sites on day one shouldn’t surprise. When you’ve got millions of people interested in getting health insurance for the first time, they’re curious about the offerings and what it means to them.

That’s not a sign of failure. It’s a sign of pent up demand.

Ding.

318 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:35:28am

ICYMI, this is the latest GOP chicanery from last night:

319 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:35:56am
320 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:36:03am

re: #313 Sol Berdinowitz

now now, he intentionally did that to keep the link from coming up

I intentionally retyped it so that it would for the benefit of his followers. :)

321 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:36:08am

re: #111 Amory Blaine

Today is Yosemite’s birthday. And it’s closed. I cried a little. On the one hand, less traffic is kinda good for the park environment. On the other, we’re such a sad, childish country that this even had to happen in the first place.

BBL, I have to investigate and see if this is going to stop my son from going to vocational rehabilitation school.

These fucking republicans really need to GO. I want them to lose their pay and have to struggle like REAL, yeah I said it, REAL Americans do. You know, the people who don’t get half the year off and make over 170K a year for not doing their fucking jobs.

322 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:36:13am

re: #315 lawhawk

Google, Facebook, and even sites like Amazon have crashed due to volume of users. News sites crash frequently during major news events.

That you’ve got a whole lot of people clamoring to visit these sites on day one shouldn’t surprise. When you’ve got millions of people interested in getting health insurance for the first time, they’re curious about the offerings and what it means to them.

That’s not a sign of failure. It’s a sign of pent up demand.

I regret I have but one upding.

323 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:36:18am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Had no problem with healthcare.gov but I am not on an agenda to find every fault with ACA.

Just out of curiosity, I pulled it up over here in the Czech Republic, and it worked fine. I didn’t sign up, obviously.

But, no problems on my end.

324 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:36:34am
325 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:36:50am

re: #284 Vicious Babushka

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Could we please just throw those two into Al Capone’s vault and shut the door?

326 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:37:26am

Livestreaming US Senate on the Day After; chamber appears almost empty.

nbcnews.com

327 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:38:20am

re: #324 Bulworth

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Still needed, though.

328 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:38:26am

re: #315 lawhawk

And yet Obamacare is killing the economy and murdering people and death panels!!!!!

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329 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:39:17am

And, of course, Boehner has to be a slave to the Hastert Rule since he knows that if he offered the House a chance to vote on a simple, no add-ons, CR that it would pass between Dems and GOP with some remaining principles.
(But we know that Boehner can’t consider bypassing the Hastert Rule since Obama in Joker make-up is holding a gun to his head.)
O_o

330 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:39:58am

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

Still needed, though.

AFTER the House has agreed to a clean CR to keep the government funded until a budget can be worked out in committee.

331 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:40:01am
332 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:41:16am

Whatta maroon

333 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:41:29am

So apparently the wingnut chuckle of the day is “Obamacare don’t work on Day One! HAHA!”

The GIFT theory in all its glory. Ugh.

334 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:41:56am

President Obama to give statement in the Rose Garden at 12:25 p.m. ET - @HuffPostPol
5 mins ago by editor

No, Republicans, he’s not yelling “uncle!” He’s the adult in the room in case you haven’t noticed.

335 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:42:11am

When is the triumphant tweet coming out telling Al-Q that if you really want to damage the US government and American psyche this is what to do?
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336 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:42:11am
337 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:43:01am

re: #332 Vicious Babushka

We are up against an intellect of staggeringly stupid derportions.

338 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:44:25am

Making it up as they go along.

339 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:44:29am

re: #321 A Mom Anon

Today is Yosemite’s birthday. And it’s closed. I cried a little. On the one hand, less traffic is kinda good for the park environment. On the other, we’re such a sad, childish country that this even had to happen in the first place.

BBL, I have to investigate and see if this is going to stop my son from going to vocational rehabilitation school.

These fucking republicans really need to GO. I want them to lose their pay and have to struggle like REAL, yeah I said it, REAL Americans do. You know, the people who don’t get half the year off and make over 170K a year for not doing their fucking jobs.

Parks are entitlements.

/

340 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:46:18am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Oh, and in classic “I’m totally not running for the presidency” fashion, Christie was declaring in an interview last night that the shutdown is due to (what else?) a “failure of leadership” and if he were president, he’d have sat both sides down in a room and declared they could not leave until “something were worked out.”

That fucking tyrant.

341 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:46:30am
342 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:46:31am

Wait, wait, isn’t Shutdown the fault of Harry Reid & Teh Democrapz?
Stay with the program Erick!

343 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:47:11am

re: #338 Bulworth

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Making it up as they go along.

Boehner’s that guy at the blackjack table at 4am, bags under his eyes, brow covered in flop sweat, just a hand away from throwing his wedding band on the table in the hope that he can win it all back.

344 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:47:19am

I am glad these immature assholes think the shutdown is funny. We’ll see who’s still laughing when their veteran family members start losing their benefits or when they want to take the kids to see sights on the Mall.

345 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:47:50am

So the healthcare exchange sites are down in a lot of places, right? Gee, that must be because all of the people who are burning their health insurance cards are refusing to visit. The same thing happens every March when New York Yankees tickets go on sale. People who refuse to go to Yankees games crash the servers.

The tears of wingnuts are sustaining me this morning. I just feel bad for the people who work for the federal government whose lives are being upended by this. Hang in there, ladies and gents. The teabaggers will go down in flames soon enough.

346 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:48:45am

re: #332 Vicious Babushka

Whatta maroon

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347 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:49:08am

re: #345 Ian G.

So the healthcare exchange sites are down in a lot of places, right? Gee, that must be because all of the people who are burning their health insurance cards are refusing to visit. The same thing happens every March when New York Yankees tickets go on sale. People who refuse to go to Yankees games crash the servers.

The tears of wingnuts are sustaining me this morning. I just feel bad for the people who work for the federal government whose lives are being upended by this. Hang in there, ladies and gents. The teabaggers will go down in flames soon enough.

You know damn well that even though they’ll never admit it, many wingnuts are enlisting in it too. Today’s hands off my medicare people will be tomorrow’s hands off my ACA.

348 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:49:09am

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

Martin Luther King was well-known for considering affordable health insurance to be “crack cocaine of dependency” on government.

349 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:49:40am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

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You’ve “met” Dana, of course it’s necessary for her to be that way. She’s an immature moron with a Twitter feed.

350 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:50:13am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Of course it’s necessary to be truly nasty like that. Being an awful human being is mandatory for tea party membership.

351 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:50:17am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

You know damn well that even though they’ll never admit it, many wingnuts are enlisting in it too. Today’s hands off my medicare people will be tomorrow’s hands off my ACA.

30 years from now, wingnuts will be claiming all the credit for the ACA, the same way that they like to claim all the credit for the Civil Rights Act.

352 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:50:48am

re: #341 darthstar

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Well, the governor of New Jersey has a budget weapon the president can only dream about, in the form of a very powerful line-item veto.

353 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:51:07am

re: #351 Vicious Babushka

30 years from now, wingnuts will be claiming all the credit for the ACA, the same way that they like to claim all the credit for the Civil Rights Act.

That’s been my thought from the get go. They’ll claim credit for ACA even though they were comparing it to Nazism, Stalinism, and all the other isms.

354 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:51:39am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Ahh…you’re still a little bit sweet on her, aren’t you? She’s not going to change for you. Nasty is who she is.

355 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:53:34am

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

Well, the governor of New Jersey has a budget weapon the president can only dream about, in the form of a very powerful line-item veto.

There’s that too. If Obama had the line item veto, Boehner would adjourn until 2016.

356 sagehen  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:54:27am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

That’s been my thought from the get go. They’ll claim credit for ACA even though they were comparing it to Nazism, Stalinism, and all the other isms.

Of course they will. It was written by the Heritage Foundation, the early-model user who proved the concept was a state with a Republican governor… that’s why they chose him as nominee, y’know, because they were so proud of this massive accomplishment that now the Dems are trying to pretend was theirs.

357 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:55:44am

re: #355 darthstar

There’s that too. If Obama had the line item veto, Boehner would adjourn until 2016.

One problem is that a line-item veto would just clog things up worse. No legislation passed at all by either side of Congress unless they were pretty sure they could line up enough votes to override item vetoes. And it has already been shown that government by supermajority tends not to work very well.

358 Carlos Danger  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:55:45am

Trying to find the House bill that has the text, but the fact that the “compromise” bill included language to block net neutrality and restrict access to contraceptives should be shouted from the rooftops.

360 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:56:52am

re: #354 darthstar

Ahh…you’re still a little bit sweet on her, aren’t you? She’s not going to change for you. Nasty is who she is.

No, I’m not. But I try to be civil when dealing with women, as I was taught to be.

re: #355 darthstar

There’s that too. If Obama had the line item veto, Boehner would adjourn until 2016.

If the President had a line-item veto, the relationship between the president and Congress would be changed greatly. That was why SCOTUS shot down the 1990’s line-item law.

361 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:57:08am

re: #356 sagehen

Of course they will. It was written by the Heritage Foundation, the early-model user who proved the concept was a state with a Republican governor… that’s why they chose him as nominee, y’know, because they were so proud of this massive accomplishment that now the Dems are trying to pretend was theirs.

Right, my guess is they’ll claim that ACA saved the US from evil Canadian style healthcare. My biggest problem with the right on this issue hasn’t been ideological, it’s been their lack of honesty. Mitt Romney calls Romneycare in Mass a model for the US but the second Obama implements it nationwide, it’s oh I only really thought it would be good for my state. BS, Mitt, you were pimping it out when you first ran for president. Hell even Santorum was on record of supporting a mandate in the past. I do strongly disagree with the libertarians who opposed ACA on principle but I can deal with someone I disagree with sincerely more than someone who is just opposing for the sake of opposing and then shutting down the government because of that.

362 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:58:52am

Save the torches and pitchforks for a sec after the headline:

Durbin: ‘It’s Conceivable’ Obamacare Changes Could Be Part Of Spending Deal

“It’s conceivable some aspect of it would be, but the notion of delaying it or defunding it is not going to happen,” Durbin said on CNN.

Durbin suggested a repeal of the medical device tax — which the House has included in one version of its bill, but the Senate rejected — could be grounds for compromise. But he said that Congress would have to offset the $29 billion that the repeal would add to the federal deficit.

“We can work out something I believe on the medical device tax,” Durbin said. “That was one of the proposals from the Republicans as long as we replace the revenue so we don’t put a hole in the deficit and respond to this in a responsible fashion. That’s one thing the Republicans want to talk about. Let’s sit down and put that on the table.”

I admit, it’s an awful tempting position. “We’re willing to compromise, BUT you will still be funding the ACA, one way or another.”

363 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:59:45am

Okay, this fucker really pisses me off. The stock market opened up a few points, and Todd says, “Well, we all predicted it would crash if the government shut down and it’s up a few points…I guess we can’t assume too much about the market.” and then, less than a minute later, “The market is Obama’s sledgehammer to drive his point home and put pressure on Republicans, and it’s not going in the right direction for him.”

Dipshit, the Market does what the Market does. Period. When it goes up, that’s good, it’s not a plot. And when it goes down, it’s not a statement of loss of faith in the president.

364 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:02:01am

re: #363 darthstar

Okay, this fucker really pisses me off. The stock market opened up a few points, and Todd says, “Well, we all predicted it would crash if the government shut down and it’s up a few points…I guess we can’t assume too much about the market.” and then, less than a minute later, “The market is Obama’s sledgehammer to drive his point home and put pressure on Republicans, and it’s not going in the right direction for him.”

Dipshit, the Market does what the Market does. Period. When it goes up, that’s good, it’s not a plot. And when it goes down, it’s not a statement of loss of faith in the president.

He has to grasp at other portents since his MBF infusion prevents him from saying outright that this confrontation was initiated, dragged out, and then pushed off the cliff by the GOP House leadership.

365 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:02:50am

re: #362 Targetpractice

Save the torches and pitchforks for a sec after the headline:

Durbin: ‘It’s Conceivable’ Obamacare Changes Could Be Part Of Spending Deal

I admit, it’s an awful tempting position. “We’re willing to compromise, BUT you will still be funding the ACA, one way or another.”

I understand what the Senator is saying but if you compromise on one bit of the bill, then they’re going to expect you to compromise on another and another. The Republicans need to be reminded that this is a settled law. If they have any suggestions on how to improve it and I mean improve it- not repeal or defund it.

366 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:03:58am
367 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:04:03am
368 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:05:06am

re: #365 HappyWarrior

I’m assuming that Durbin means compromises that will make the ACA better and get rid of some of the apparent glitches. I don’t think he means compromises to hurt the law. President Obama has already made it clear that he’s not going to sign any legislation to weaken the ACA.

369 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:05:25am

re: #365 HappyWarrior

I understand what the Senator is saying but if you compromise on one bit of the bill, then they’re going to expect you to compromise on another and another. The Republicans need to be reminded that this is a settled law. If they have any suggestions on how to improve it and I mean improve it- not repeal or defund it.

It’s actually a pretty effective strategy, playing on how hypocritical the GOP can sound in a number of ways. If they reject the offer outright, then it’s obvious they’re not looking for compromise, they’re looking for total submission. If they accept but say they won’t agree to cover the deficit it’ll create, then they show how hypocritical they are about the deficit and so diminish their debt ceiling strategy. And if they agree to cover the deficit, then there’s any number of proposals that will bite them in the ass, the most popular of course being to cut more domestic spending elsewhere to “make up the difference.”

370 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:05:34am

re: #363 darthstar

Okay, this fucker really pisses me off. The stock market opened up a few points, and Todd says, “Well, we all predicted it would crash if the government shut down and it’s up a few points…I guess we can’t assume too much about the market.” and then, less than a minute later, “The market is Obama’s sledgehammer to drive his point home and put pressure on Republicans, and it’s not going in the right direction for him.”

Dipshit, the Market does what the Market does. Period. When it goes up, that’s good, it’s not a plot. And when it goes down, it’s not a statement of loss of faith in the president.

The stock market was taking cues off the European and Asian markets that didn’t drop like rocks yesterday. There is also decent economic news that they can work with, but the shutdown will have a cumulative effect - the longer it persists, the larger the drag on the economy it will be.

And of course the millions of people who either are directly employed or rely on government contracts for their work get screwed in the process.

371 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:06:08am

re: #369 Targetpractice

It’s actually a pretty effective strategy, playing on how hypocritical the GOP can sound in a number of ways. If they reject the offer outright, then it’s obvious they’re not looking for compromise, they’re looking for total submission. If they accept but say they won’t agree to cover the deficit it’ll create, then they show how hypocritical they are about the deficit and so diminish their debt ceiling strategy. And if they agree to cover the deficit, then there’s any number of proposals that will bite them in the ass, the most popular of course being to cut more domestic spending elsewhere to “make up the difference.”

It is smart geopolitically.

372 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:06:50am

re: #362 Targetpractice

Save the torches and pitchforks for a sec after the headline:

Durbin: ‘It’s Conceivable’ Obamacare Changes Could Be Part Of Spending Deal

I admit, it’s an awful tempting position. “We’re willing to compromise, BUT you will still be funding the ACA, one way or another.”

That might be viable: Pass a ‘clean’ CR in exchange for a process to reduce or remove the medical device tax of the ACA. That would please Grover Norquist, and his support might prove crucial in sealing a deal.

(Assuming that Norquist isn’t assailed yet again by stupid allegations that he is compromised because his wife is Muslim.)

373 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:07:08am

re: #368 Patricia Kayden

I’m assuming that Durbin means compromises that will make the ACA better and get rid of some of the apparent glitches. I don’t think he means compromises to hurt the law. President Obama has already made it clear that he’s not going to sign any legislation to weaken the ACA.

True should have thought about it. TP just made a good point though, Durbin puts this out there and the GOP rejects this, it shows the public that the GOP doesn’t care about compromise but only destroying the law outright which is a position favored by a small alibeit vocal minority.

374 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:07:41am

re: #368 Patricia Kayden

I’m assuming that Durbin means compromises that will make the ACA better and get rid of some of the apparent glitches. I don’t think he means compromises to hurt the law. President Obama has already made it clear that he’s not going to sign any legislation to weaken the ACA.

Exactly, Durbin’s not saying “We’ll help you dismantle the law,” he’s saying “We’re willing to help fix what doesn’t work.” The GOP wants the tax gone because they say it will drive up the cost of healthcare. Okay, we’ll repeal the tax, but only if the funding comes from somewhere else.

375 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:08:36am


The Conservatives seem to have this scene played on repeat:

Youtube Video

376 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:08:44am

Now that I’ve thought about it. I’m board with Durbin’s plan. Hell it may make the law better to go over it some.

377 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:09:20am

IF THE GOVERNMENT IS CLOSED, HOW DID THEY MANAGE TO GET THESE SIGNS PRINTED IN LESS THAN 8 HOURS???

378 Carlos Danger  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:09:25am

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

That might be viable: Pass a ‘clean’ CR in exchange for a process to reduce or remove the medical device tax of the ACA. That would please Grover Norquist, and his support might prove crucial in sealing a deal.

(Assuming that Norquist isn’t assailed yet again by stupid allegations that he is compromised because his wife is Muslim.)

Why do we have to please an unelected demagogue? Please. Are you admitting your party is this useless?

379 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:09:37am

re: #375 lawhawk

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The Conservatives seem to have this scene played on repeat:

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They won’t think it’s a big deal until they get fucked over by it and then they’ll be spouting out the blame Reid/Obama meme we’ve seen. Anything not to blame their pathetic ideology for the shutodwn.

380 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:11:12am

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

That might be viable: Pass a ‘clean’ CR in exchange for a process to reduce or remove the medical device tax of the ACA. That would please Grover Norquist, and his support might prove crucial in sealing a deal.

(Assuming that Norquist isn’t assailed yet again by stupid allegations that he is compromised because his wife is Muslim.)

Why Norquist? He’s not an elected official. Sorry but this should be between elected officials that we actually vote for. We didn’t vote for Norquist and these other people that have way too much influence on the process. I feel bad that Norquist is called a Muslim sleeper agent but his influence should be diminished. If they get rid of that tax, it should be because it’s sound policy not because some drown the government in a bathtub douche wants it.

381 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:11:34am
382 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:12:02am

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

That might be viable: Pass a ‘clean’ CR in exchange for a process to reduce or remove the medical device tax of the ACA. That would please Grover Norquist, and his support might prove crucial in sealing a deal.

(Assuming that Norquist isn’t assailed yet again by stupid allegations that he is compromised because his wife is Muslim.)

This tells you all you need to know about the GOP: it can’t displease a private citizen blowhard because, well, no good reason, but no worries, said private citizen blowhard might be a Muslim sleeper cell agent so we might not have to listen to him after all. Good lord.

383 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:13:38am

re: #382 Ian G.

This tells you all you need to know about the GOP: it can’t displease a private citizen blowhard because, well, no good reason, but no worries, said private citizen blowhard might be a Muslim sleeper cell agent so we might not have to listen to him after all. Good lord.

Plutocracy yo.

384 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:13:42am

And now the Senate has killed the House call to go to conference, again 54-46. Seems a pretty glaring comparison, that while the House began to splinter last night, the Senate remains resolutely behind the President.

385 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:16:02am

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

The 2.3% Medical Device Tax is one of the keys to keeping the Affordable Care Act affordable for the government. It has been in place since January and has generated $1billion in revenue this year already. Estimated to generate $30B in 10 years.

Attempts to cut that are attempts to make the ACA look like it’s a financial disaster. Fuck Norquist and his ilk.

386 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:17:35am


York is reporting that there’s a group of about 200 GOPers ready to sign on to a clean CR.

Essentially, the remaining TPExtortionists are threatening them with retribution if they cross the line and accept anything other than a defund/delay/destroy Obamacare package. So, this group remains hostage (and for some it might be cowardice, for others sticking with the party line, and some are just idiots) to the TPExtortionists who are driving this crisis.

And make no mistake - the TPExtortionists are the ones driving this crisis. But for their insane demands to delay, defund, and destroy Obamacare, the CR would have been passed and even the debt ceiling would have been addressed in timely fashion.

The TPExtortionists are all about destroying Obamacare. And they’ve got the rest of the GOP leadership by the balls.

387 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:17:48am

And it’s not like Norquist is Mr. Voice of reason. He of the I want to drown the government in a bathtub comment. Fuck him. He has influence in the Republican Party because they let him get influence and now they’re too scared to tell him no. He’s basically in a way like a gangster. It’s like the fuck you, pay me bit in Goodfellas. The Republicans are Sonny who owned the club and Norquist and those like him are like Paulie.

388 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:19:29am

re: #386 lawhawk

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York is reporting that there’s a group of about 200 GOPers ready to sign on to a clean CR.

Essentially, the remaining TPExtortionists are threatening them with retribution if they cross the line and accept anything other than a defund/delay/destroy Obamacare package. So, this group remains hostage (and for some it might be cowardice, for others sticking with the party line, and some are just idiots) to the TPExtortionists who are driving this crisis.

And make no mistake - the TPExtortionists are the ones driving this crisis. But for their insane demands to delay, defund, and destroy Obamacare, the CR would have been passed and even the debt ceiling would have been addressed in timely fashion.

The TPExtortionists are all about destroying Obamacare. And they’ve got the rest of the GOP leadership by the balls.

So we’re in this mess because some 1/4 of the Republican caucus will never be able to accept ACA exists. Tough shit is what Boehner should say to them but he won’t because he always hides his tail whenever he’s afraid that they may threaten his speakership which means more to him than the general welfare of the American people.

389 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:20:36am

re: #378 Carlos Danger

Why do we have to please an unelected demagogue? Please. Are you admitting your party is this useless?

No, what I am saying is that compromise needs a champion. And securing that champion means doing something to please internal constituencies. For the Republican Party, Grover Norquist likely has enough influence to swing the needed number of votes away from the “NOBAMA!!1” position and help get a compromise passed. But for him to be able to do that, the reduction or elimination of a tax is needed.

390 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:20:42am

re: #385 darthstar

The medical device tax is one of those parts of the Obamacare legislation that has seen quite a bit of lies, obfuscation, and propaganda. Whether it’s the bogus checkout receipts showing a tax imposed at Cabelas or other nonsensical claims, the tax is imposed on certain medical devices to help fund Obamacare.

Want to get rid of that tax, offset it with a tax hike on something else - like say 1% surcharge on anyone making $1m or more.

Opponents want to get rid of the tax, and hopefully use the loss of revenue to kneecap the subsidies. In other words, reduce the subsidies, and make the insurance provided less affordable to those who are seeking insurance through the exchanges.

391 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:20:44am

re: #386 lawhawk

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The TPExtortionists are all about destroying Obamacare. And they’ve got the rest of the GOP leadership by the balls.

FTFY

392 Mattand  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:20:54am

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

That might be viable: Pass a ‘clean’ CR in exchange for a process to reduce or remove the medical device tax of the ACA. That would please Grover Norquist, and his support might prove crucial in sealing a deal.

(Assuming that Norquist isn’t assailed yet again by stupid allegations that he is compromised because his wife is Muslim.)

On top of all of the other problems with the shutdown, we now have to worry if Grover Norquist, an unelected official who makes Republicans swear to a pledge he thought up when he was 12, will be happy about any deals.

Just fucking brilliant. This does not alleviate any contempt I have for the GOP and their supporters right now…

393 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:22:07am

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

No, what I am saying is that compromise needs a champion. And securing that champion means doing something to please internal constituencies. For the Republican Party, Grover Norquist likely has enough influence to swing the needed number of votes away from the “NOBAMA!!1” position and help get a compromise passed. But for him to be able to do that, the reduction or elimination of a tax is needed.

No offense to you as a person but your party fucking sucks if it has to appease someone like Grover Norquist and his juvenile no taxes pledge.

394 sagehen  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:22:18am

re: #390 lawhawk

Nobody told me there’d be math.

395 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:23:06am

So we are hearing “The shutdown is the Democrats’ fault!” followed by “The shutdown is not such a bad thing!”

Sorta like hearing “Sex is filthy, animalistic and disgusting!” followed by “You should save sex for the person you marry!”

396 gwangung  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:23:28am

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

No, what I am saying is that compromise needs a champion.

No, you’re saying you’re making a fetish of “compromise”. It’s the Mean Balance Fairy writ big.

Stop knee jerking and start thinking.

397 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:23:57am

re: #392 Mattand

On top of all of the other problems with the shutdown, we now have to worry if Grover Norquist, an unelected official who makes Republicans swear to a pledge he thought up when he was 12, will be happy about any deals.

Just fucking brilliant. This does not alleviate any contempt I have for the GOP and their supporters right now…

Honestly, if anything it makes me more mad since including Norquist just means we’ll be back to square one. I mean let’s remember who Norquist is. He’s not a reasonable guy. He as you put out drew up this stupid pledge he has when he was 12. This isn’t a reasonable guy. You want to bring rational actors in to the ring, I’m fine? But that guy isn’t one of them.

398 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:23:57am

re: #388 HappyWarrior

So we’re in this mess because some 1/4 of the Republican caucus will never be able to accept ACA exists. Tough shit is what Boehner should say to them but he won’t because he always hides his tail whenever he’s afraid that they may threaten his speakership which means more to him than the general welfare of the American people.

Closer to 1/8 of Republicans. 1/8 of 1/2 of 1/3 of our government is responsible for this shut down, and Boehner fears them.

399 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:24:40am

My Facebook feed is full of notifications from various national parks that I’ve visited and “liked” throughout the years that they’re closed for business. Arches, Grand Teton, Yosemite, etc.

They’re all wasteful gub’mint programs, right teabaggers?

400 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:24:42am

re: #398 darthstar

Closer to 1/8 of Republicans. 1/8 of 1/2 of 1/3 of our government is responsible for this shut down, and Boehner fears them.

Ah okay. My bad on the math. Boehner’s a pussy shit.

401 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:25:08am

re: #396 gwangung

No, you’re saying you’re making a fetish of “compromise”. It’s the Mean Balance Fairy writ big.

Stop knee jerking and start thinking.

No, you stop trying to put words in my mouth. Any removal of problems in the ACA will require compromise.

402 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:25:15am

re: #399 Ian G.

My Facebook feed is full of notifications from various national parks that I’ve visited and “liked” throughout the years that they’re closed for business. Arches, Grand Teton, Yosemite, etc.

They’re all wasteful gub’mint programs, right teabaggers?

Speaking of Yosemite, the google whatchmallit today is beautiful.

403 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:25:43am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Yosemite, the google whatchmallit today is beautiful.

Oh yeah, I hope that was deliberate.

404 Mattand  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:26:14am

re: #393 HappyWarrior

No offense to you as a person but your party fucking sucks if it has to appease someone like Grover Norquist and his juvenile no taxes pledge.

Seconded. I’m trying really hard to separate the political from the personal right now, but I have yet to see any Republican supporter come out and say “Yes, this is wrong. I apologize for my part in this whole disaster.”

I know of at least four people who now aren’t getting paid, including my sister-in-law with a young child (MY NEPHEW) to care for.

You voted Republican? You created this fucking mess.

405 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:26:56am

re: #403 Ian G.

Oh yeah, I hope that was deliberate.

I hope so. Idiot wingnuts jumping for joy over the government shutting down should thnk about that kind of stuff. My sister in law’s sister was actually supposed to be naturalized today. Pretty sure it will be cancelled due to the shutdown. Sucks since she had to fly in here all the way from NM.

406 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:27:35am

re: #400 HappyWarrior

Ah okay. My bad on the math. Boehner’s a pussy shit.

The fractions are a bit misleading, 1/3 of the government is one person, 1/3 of it is 9 persons, and the other 1/3 is 435 persons, so really it’s 1/8th of one party in 1/2 of 1/3rd of the government, but less than 1/10th of that 1/3rd overall.

407 Carlos Danger  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:28:02am

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

No, you stop trying to put words in my mouth. Any removal of problems in the ACA will require compromise.

Just give us the clean bill already. It’s idiotic to block existing legislation with a minority of the majority in the house. Bring it up to a full house- or is that too much of a compromise?

408 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:28:09am

re: #404 Mattand

Seconded. I’m trying really hard to separate the political from the personal right now, but I have yet to see any Republican supporter come out and say “Yes, this is wrong. I apologize for my part in this whole disaster.”

I know of at least four people who now aren’t getting paid, including my sister-in-law with a young child (MY NEPHEW) to care for.

You voted Republican? You created this fucking mess.

I’ve been trying real hard not to lose my temper with people. Just hope no one brings it up at my kid brother’s LL game tomorrow night since I know ther will be at least one parent with teh whole yeehaw government sucks attitude.

409 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:28:19am

re: #394 sagehen

Well, the GOP doesn’t know math either…

All the math that should explain why the GOP will lose this fight.

50.6% - that’s the percentage that Obama won in popular vote 2012
332 - that’s the number of electoral votes in 2012
53 (54 with Saunders who caucuses with D) - that’s the number of US Senate seats held by Democrats
25-35 million - the number of people who can benefit from Obamacare.

410 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:30:07am

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

No, you stop trying to put words in my mouth. Any removal of problems in the ACA will require compromise.

The time to do much of the compromising was when this was still a bill. We can work out minor kinks but we’re not tweaking a whole lot of the bill because Mr. I wet myself when I pay taxes doesn’t like a part of it. I’m sorry DF but your party has loads of problems and including Norquist as a serious part of the conversation only furthers that. You know how you can fix your party? You can reject the extremist nominees they put out. You can refuse to give your hard earned money to them.

411 Gus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:31:20am

“As an opponent of Obamacare and one with pre-existing conditions I would rather die before getting health insurance under this communistic law!”

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412 gwangung  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:31:32am

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

No, you stop trying to put words in my mouth. Any removal of problems in the ACA will require compromise.

You stop denial. What you’re doing is assuming from the beginning that the demands on both sides are equal and rational.

They are not—that’s where the fetishizing is coming from. I am not putting words in your moth—-I am going in a straight line from your thoughts.

And the Republicans are far from trying to fix “problems.” They are straight up trying to destroy. Again, Mean Balance Fairy writ large.

413 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:32:58am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

I hope so. Idiot wingnuts jumping for joy over the government shutting down should thnk about that kind of stuff. My sister in law’s sister was actually supposed to be naturalized today. Pretty sure it will be cancelled due to the shutdown. Sucks since she had to fly in here all the way from NM.

Sadly, I feel like the only way numbskull teabaggers will understand how important the federal government is to their daily lives is if they’re hit and hit hard by something shut down. Unfortunately, not being able to see the fall foliage in Great Smoky Mountains National Park isn’t that thing. We really need to have these shutdowns cut off Medicare and Social Security payments in order for the elderly white GOP base to take notice.

414 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:32:59am

re: #406 darthstar

The fractions are a bit misleading, 1/3 of the government is one person, 1/3 of it is 9 persons, and the other 1/3 is 435 persons, so really it’s 1/8th of one party in 1/2 of 1/3rd of the government, but less than 1/10th of that 1/3rd overall.

Shit…I forgot the Senate - 538 persons in the legislative branch. So it’s 5% of congress stopping the government.

415 Gus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:34:17am

re: #406 darthstar

The fractions are a bit misleading, 1/3 of the government is one person, 1/3 of it is 9 persons, and the other 1/3 is 435 persons, so really it’s 1/8th of one party in 1/2 of 1/3rd of the government, but less than 1/10th of that 1/3rd overall.

Fractions are like pies and everyone knows that pie is a lie.

416 Mattand  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:34:24am

re: #408 HappyWarrior

I’ve been trying real hard not to lose my temper with people. Just hope no one brings it up at my kid brother’s LL game tomorrow night since I know ther will be at least one parent with teh whole yeehaw government sucks attitude.

I hear ya. As I’ve mentioned ad nauseum, the political climate around my little corner of hell tends to be either Magic Balance Fairy, conservatives masquerading as independent, or conservative.

I know none of this is Obama’s or the Dems fault, but they’re going to get covered by some of the shit the GOP is flinging. In that sense, they’ve won a major battle. Classic suicide bomber strategy.

417 sagehen  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:34:55am

re: #409 lawhawk

Well, the GOP doesn’t know math either…

All the math that should explain why the GOP will lose this fight.

50.6% - that’s the percentage that Obama won in popular vote 2012
332 - that’s the number of electoral votes in 2012
53 (54 with Saunders who caucuses with D) - that’s the number of US Senate seats held by Democrats
25-35 million - the number of people who can benefit from Obamacare.

And the 72% who oppose a shutdown (even though only 46% like the ACA); and Congress’ 87% disapproval rate. 10% approval.

I think Vladamir Putin and Hassan Rouhani have higher approval rates in the US than does the US Congress.

418 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:35:22am

re: #413 Ian G.

Sadly, I feel like the only way numbskull teabaggers will understand how important the federal government is to their daily lives is if they’re hit and hit hard by something shut down. Unfortunately, not being able to see the fall foliage in Great Smoky Mountains National Park isn’t that thing. We really need to have these shutdowns cut off Medicare and Social Security payments in order for the elderly white GOP base to take notice.

I hope it doesn’t come to that. I just wish there was some way to show them how narrow-minded they are without something like that happening. But you can’t get them to see that the shutdown is effecting real government workers with real families because the idiots read the “non-essential” part and twist that like a pretzel to mean those workers don’t provide important work for the government.

419 erik_t  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:35:43am

Wait what the fuck, we’re singing the praises of Grover fucking Norquist as a reasonable middle-of-the-road compromise-broker in here?

Jesus H. Christ, I’m going to go get my breakfast scotch. This is going to be a long and profoundly stupid day.

420 Mattand  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:36:59am

re: #419 erik_t

Wait what the fuck, we’re singing the praises of Grover fucking Norquist as a reasonable middle-of-the-road compromise-broker in here?

Jesus H. Christ, I’m going to go get my breakfast scotch. This is going to be a long and profoundly stupid day.

Loved your quote from yesterday, BTW.

littlegreenfootballs.com

421 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:37:50am

re: #415 Gus

Fractions are like pies and everyone knows that pie is a lie.

Except those pies by VB. I hear (and have seen) how delish they are.

422 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:38:36am

re: #399 Ian G.

My Facebook feed is full of notifications from various national parks that I’ve visited and “liked” throughout the years that they’re closed for business. Arches, Grand Teton, Yosemite, etc.

They’re all wasteful gub’mint programs, right teabaggers?

Yes. They’re responsible for higher lumber prices since they keep the corporations away from some readily accessible trees.
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423 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:38:59am

re: #416 Mattand

I hear ya. As I’ve mentioned ad nauseum, the political climate around my little corner of hell tends to be either Magic Balance Fairy, conservatives masquerading as independent, or conservative.

I know none of this is Obama’s or the Dems fault, but they’re going to get covered by some of the shit the GOP is flinging. In that sense, they’ve won a major battle. Classic suicide bomber strategy.

Yeah that shit’s annoying. “Well you know the Republicans may be acting like shitheads but President Obama should compromise too.” It’s similar to the attitude I saw from your governor Christie this morning. Just some stupid rhetoric about how he’d keep both sides in until they could make a deal. As if Chris Christie of all people would allow a signature legislative accomplishment to get destroyed just because a loud minority can’t accept its reality.

424 sagehen  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:41:29am

re: #413 Ian G.

Sadly, I feel like the only way numbskull teabaggers will understand how important the federal government is to their daily lives is if they’re hit and hit hard by something shut down. Unfortunately, not being able to see the fall foliage in Great Smoky Mountains National Park isn’t that thing. We really need to have these shutdowns cut off Medicare and Social Security payments in order for the elderly white GOP base to take notice.

They understood pretty well when sequester reduced ATC and their flights were delayed. Amazing how quick they were to fix that.

425 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:42:15am

re: #423 HappyWarrior

Yeah that shit’s annoying. “Well you know the Republicans may be acting like shitheads but President Obama should compromise too.” It’s similar to the attitude I saw from your governor Christie this morning. Just some stupid rhetoric about how he’d keep both sides in until they could make a deal. As if Chris Christie of all people would allow a signature legislative accomplishment to get destroyed just because a loud minority can’t accept its reality.

To which my response would be “You don’t compromise with shitheads. You tell them to go f**k themselves.”

426 sagehen  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:44:08am

re: #415 Gus

Fractions are like pies and everyone knows that pie is a lie.

The cake is a lie. Pie is Truth.

427 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:44:09am

You know what though, if the Republican Party had even proposed a half way decent attempt at HCR during the debate, it would be a little understandable where they’re coming from but no they offered nothing. They’re the ones who had no problem with keeping backwards policies that allow insurers to refuse to cover people because of pre-existing conditoins. They’re the ones who while they bitch about the lack of jobs complained about recent college grads being able to stay on their parents plans. So, there was no alternative proposed by them. Most of them were happy with the status quo because they either already are insured themselves or they’re delusional enough to think they won’t get sick so they don’t need insurance and therefore no one else does. And it’s rich hearing about how “Obamacare has harmed millions.” The only people i’m seeing harmed are egotistical executives who don’t want to cover their employees because of their own greed.

428 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:45:19am

re: #417 sagehen

And the 72% who oppose a shutdown (even though only 46% like the ACA); and Congress’ 87% disapproval rate. 10% approval.

I think Vladamir Putin and Hassan Rouhani have higher approval rates in the US than does the US Congress.

So which “who ever heard of them before?” terrorist organization is going to call the AP and claim credit for the shutdown?
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429 Mike Lamb  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:45:31am

A couple thoughts for comments upthread:

Not sure these people really understand the concept between “non-essential” personnel and “non-essential” functions. I mean, if these people were truly “non-essential” (vs. a “non-essential” function), every gov’t agency would be open today. Idjits.

As for the stock market, I’m sure at least a part of the shutdown was already baked into the trading a few days ago, which is why you aren’t seeing much action right now.

430 Gus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:45:49am

re: #426 sagehen

The cake is a lie. Pie is Truth.

Lies! This is why pie rhymes with lies! Pies are divided up like fractions. I.e. distribution of wealth. Pie is Marxism!

431 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:46:05am

Apparently Issa appeared on CNN’s “New Day” this morning and was spinning like a turbine. First trying to portray the refusal to pass a CR as a disagreement over spending (It’s not), then saying that the calls for delay of the ACA are to “get it right” (they’re not).

432 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:46:44am

re: #303 lawhawk

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Boom, works fine here.
Morans.

433 Gus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:47:11am

re: #430 Gus

Lies! This is why pie rhymes with lies! Pies are divided up like fractions. I.e. distribution of wealth. Pie is Marxism!

#tcot

434 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:47:18am

re: #418 HappyWarrior

I hope it doesn’t come to that. I just wish there was some way to show them how narrow-minded they are without something like that happening. But you can’t get them to see that the shutdown is effecting real government workers with real families because the idiots read the “non-essential” part and twist that like a pretzel to mean those workers don’t provide important work for the government.

And this is going to have run-on effect outside the government real quick. All the concessionary and hotel businesses near the now shuttered parks take an immediate hit. The furloughed workers cut back on purchases and hunker down - that affects their local economy and so forth. The kind of activities that trigger recessions since money ceases to move and the engine slows down.

435 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:47:37am

re: #425 Dr Lizardo

To which my response would be “You don’t compromise with shitheads. You tell them to go f**k themselves.”

I liken it to being mugged. “Sure you can have your wallet back but I get to keep everything inside including your ID that you need to get home.” As I said above, the time for the Republicans to look for serious compromise on this bill was a few years ago. They didn’t want to compromise then and they don’t seem like they want to now(I don’t consider the delay ACA bit a compromise). And hell the Democrats compromised not merely to them but also the Blue Dogs when they dropped the public option. This whole law is full of compromises that the Republicans themselves embraced 20 years ago but suddenly all’s changed because Obama is President. Pardon my language here but fuck them and fuck that.

436 Mattand  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:47:47am

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

No, you stop trying to put words in my mouth. Any removal of problems in the ACA will require compromise.

See, this is what’s causing me to want to beat hobos to death with orphaned puppies.

You’re a nice guy. You’re a smart guy. Political differences aside, people here like you. I like you.

The Republicans are threatening to fuck over not only the US economy, but the global economy, because they got their asses handed to them over the ACA.

Do you honestly think anyone in the GOP is even remotely near that ball park? They have been on record from Day Effing One that they want this legislation destroyed.

Look, I have my problems with the ACA. It’s not perfect. No law is. However, a huge part of this entire mess is the GOP has literally gone suicide bomber.

None of that is going to change until the GOP and their supporters realize they’ve hit rock bottom. That the party has given up on helping govern the country so they can wipe Obama of off the map politically.

Like it or not, that’s the problem.

437 Gus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:48:48am

People
In
Europe

See!?

#tgdn

438 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:49:11am

re: #434 Feline Fearless Leader

And this is going to have run-on effect outside the government real quick. All the concessionary and hotel businesses near the now shuttered parks take an immediate hit. The furloughed workers cut back on purchases and hunker down - that affects their local economy and so forth. The kind of activities that trigger recessions since money ceases to move and the engine slows down.

Talk about trickle down eh?

439 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:49:12am

re: #418 HappyWarrior

I hope it doesn’t come to that. I just wish there was some way to show them how narrow-minded they are without something like that happening. But you can’t get them to see that the shutdown is effecting real government workers with real families because the idiots read the “non-essential” part and twist that like a pretzel to mean those workers don’t provide important work for the government.

Even if the workers weren’t “non-essential”, how would the teabagger reaction be any different? The credo of the right in this country is “I got mine, fuck you.” They don’t care if others starve so long as their own taxes are as low as possible.

440 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:49:59am

re: #439 Ian G.

Even if the workers weren’t “non-essential”, how would the teabagger reaction be any different? The credo of the right in this country is “I got mine, fuck you.” They don’t care if others starve so long as their own taxes are as low as possible.

Me I like hearing that line from radio talk show hosts because you know government workers are so much more useless than some two bit Rush Limbaugh clone on the radio.

441 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:50:54am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

Talk about trickle down eh?

All economies are local.
;p

442 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:51:03am

I actually think the GOP went into all this with the hope that the DNC would fight them on the sequester, so that they could portray the shutdown and potential for default as their continued fight against deficits. Perhaps they’d agree to lift those portions of the sequester they disagree with in exchange for knee-capping the ACA. But the DNC didn’t play to script, they accepted the sequester and focused totally on efforts to dismantle the ACA, which has left the GOP without any escape route.

443 Mattand  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:51:16am

re: #423 HappyWarrior

Yeah that shit’s annoying. “Well you know the Republicans may be acting like shitheads but President Obama should compromise too.” It’s similar to the attitude I saw from your governor Christie this morning. Just some stupid rhetoric about how he’d keep both sides in until they could make a deal.

Ugh. Don’t remind me. OT, but in a moment of naiveté, I thought that the recent court ruling would make him think “You know, the Supreme Court is going to back up the State judge. I can now back out of this fight cleanly.”

Man, was I wrong.

As if Chris Christie of all people would allow a signature legislative accomplishment to get destroyed just because a loud minority can’t accept its reality.

QFT. I cannot believe a man that smart is that unaware of his own personality.

444 erik_t  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:52:31am

re: #434 Feline Fearless Leader

The furloughed workers cut back on purchases and hunker down - that affects their local economy and so forth. The kind of activities that trigger recessions since money ceases to move and the engine slows down.

Pfft. Don’t be absurd. Nobody with a net worth of less than five million dollars puts any money back into the economy. The lessers just take and take and take, and every single cent given to them is, I dunno, stolen by the Underpants Gnomes or something.

Poof, gone into thin air.

…

What I’m saying is that Ted Cruz’s noggin is full of money.

445 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:52:32am

In the end, it is simply immoral, yes immoral to hold the government hostage because a law you don’t like will be implemented. Did I think the Bush tax cuts were a sound economic policy? No, but I also would have been strongly opposed to the Democrats throwing a tantrum over their implementation and shutting down the government over it and they like ACA were a perfectly legal legislation. Just because the GOP has many who feel that ACA is unconstitutional doesn’t make it so.

446 Gus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:53:23am

Conservative
Americans
Know
Everything

See!?

447 Gus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:53:31am

Also…

448 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:54:01am

re: #444 erik_t

Pfft. Don’t be absurd. Nobody with a net worth of less than five million dollars puts any money back into the economy. The lessers just take and take and take, and every single cent given to them is, I dunno, stolen by the Underpants Gnomes or something.

Poof, gone into thin air.

…

What I’m saying is that Ted Cruz’s noggin is full of money.

So, the economy is Keyser Soze!
:D

449 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:54:17am

re: #446 Gus

Conservative
Americans
Know
Everything

See!?

FLAN
Friendly
Lemons
and
Nectarines.

450 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:55:29am

derp derp

451 Gus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:55:44am

re: #449 HappyWarrior

FLAN
Friendly
Lemons
and
Nectarines.

Freedom Flan™

452 sagehen  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:56:27am

re: #446 Gus

Conservative
Americans
Know
Everything

See!?

I repeat… the CAKE is a LIE.

453 Gus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:57:01am

re: #452 sagehen

I repeat… the CAKE is a LIE.

Cake is a false flag.

454 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:58:00am

Social
Conservatives
Obey
Norquist
Economics

455 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:58:54am

The country feels like it’s going insane. Government shut downs. Theaters shutting down Inherit the Wind because creationists can’t handle seeing themselves being depicted critically. You don’t see me opposing the publication of Ann Coulter’s shitty books because I don’t like liberals being painted as traitors.

456 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:59:47am

re: #454 Feline Fearless Leader

Social
Conservatives
Obey
Norquist
Economics

Cookie

Conservatievs
Only
Observe
Kooky
Ideas
on
Economics

457 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:01:01am
458 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:01:37am

re: #450 Vicious Babushka

derp derp

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What exactly got better? I’d like to know how her world changed so dramatically for the better today. Maybe she’s a Tampa Bay Rays fan?

459 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:01:42am

HAHAHAHA!

460 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:01:49am
461 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:01:54am

re: #457 Vicious Babushka

Given some of Parliament’s famous bits I presume they think the GOP are total pikers.

462 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:02:11am

re: #457 Vicious Babushka

It was long before half past 10.

463 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:02:43am

re: #459 Vicious Babushka

HAHAHAHA!

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He’s also an avowed anti-vaxxer. So, you can keep him R’s and we’ll keep Jeff Bridges who was cooler than Rob Schneider has ever been.

464 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:03:40am

Teabaggers

And

Republicants

Triumph!

465 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:03:55am

re: #463 HappyWarrior

He’s also an avowed anti-vaxxer. So, you can keep him R’s and we’ll keep Jeff Bridges who was cooler than Rob Schneider has ever been.

Rob Schneider is the Da Derp Dee Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpty Doo!

Youtube Video

466 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:03:56am

Haha, Obamacare’s a total failure…wait…

Obamacare Marketplaces Overwhelmed With Traffic

467 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:04:27am

re: #464 Sol Berdinowitz

Teabaggers

And

Republicants

Triumph!

They’ve seen budgets burning off the arms of the Capitol.
//

468 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:04:30am

re: #458 Ian G.

What exactly got better? I’d like to know how her world changed so dramatically for the better today. Maybe she’s a Tampa Bay Rays fan?

Maybe she has Drew Brees as her FF QB and his game last night put her over the edge. Not that it helped me a damn since my opponent had Jimmy Graham and Marquis Colston so I was gaining and losing at the same time. Still in 5th place over despite 2-2 tho.

469 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:04:57am

re: #465 Vicious Babushka

Rob Schneider is the Da Derp Dee Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpty Doo!

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He is just so bad and I thought so when I liked Adam Sandler movies, that should tell you something.

470 erik_t  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:05:10am
The Day the Earth Stood Stupid - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki

“The Day the Earth Stood Stupid” is the thirty-ninth episode of Futurama, the seventh of the third production season and the seventh of the third broadcast season. It aired on 18 February, 2001, on Fox. A mystic fleet of brains travels the universe and turns everyone into idiots, and now the turn has come to Earth. Nibbler explains her plan to Leela and explains how Fry is the key to solving the attacks by the brains.

But does the Republican Party have its Philip J. Fry?

471 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:05:36am

re: #466 Targetpractice

Haha, Obamacare’s a total failure…wait…

Obamacare Marketplaces Overwhelmed With Traffic

Cue “Libtards are only overflowing the Obamacare website to make it look more popular than it is. People actually hate it!”

472 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:06:48am

re: #459 Vicious Babushka

The funny thing is that if wingers wanted to trot out an actor that agrees with them, they could always use legitimately legendary guys like Robert Duvall or Clint Eastwood. What the hell do they need a C-list Adam Sandler hanger-on for?

473 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:06:49am

re: #469 HappyWarrior

He is just so bad and I thought so when I liked Adam Sandler movies, that should tell you something.

Jeannie must write his comedy routines.

474 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:07:49am

re: #469 HappyWarrior

He is just so bad and I thought so when I liked Adam Sandler movies, that should tell you something.

Schneider only ever works in small doses, generally as part of an ensemble or in a supporting role.

475 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:07:49am

MOAR WINGNUT ULULATION

476 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:07:51am

re: #473 Vicious Babushka

Jeannie must write his comedy routines.

Probably.

477 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:08:41am

re: #474 Targetpractice

Schneider only ever works in small doses, generally as part of an ensemble or in a supporting role.

Yeah I don’t get how he became a leading man and Buscemi exempting Boardwalk Empire is still only a character actor.

478 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:09:58am

re: #477 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t get how he became a leading man and Buscemi exempting Boardwalk Empire is still only a character actor.

I’m pretty sure there’s some dark pact with the Old Ones that is signed when you become an SNL cast member that you’re guaranteed at least one movie with the leading role.

479 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:10:42am

re: #478 Targetpractice

I’m pretty sure there’s some dark pact with the Old Ones that is signed when you become an SNL cast member that you’re guaranteed at least one movie with the leading role.

“And then I wrote the screenplay to that epic tale of tales, Joe Dirt.”

480 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:11:14am

re: #475 Vicious Babushka

MOAR WINGNUT ULULATION

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So are they going to embrace cutting 50% of DoD? After all only 50% of their employees are “essential.”

481 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:12:24am

re: #478 Targetpractice

I’m pretty sure there’s some dark pact with the Old Ones that is signed when you become an SNL cast member that you’re guaranteed at least one movie with the leading role.

Yeah but, “The Hot Chick” sucked.

482 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:12:29am

re: #479 HappyWarrior

“And then I wrote the screenplay to that epic tale of tales, Joe Dirt.”

Spade’s only a step above Schneider in that he can work in the leading role, but only when paired with somebody whose vocal range rises out of “bored disinterest.”

483 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:13:11am

re: #480 HappyWarrior

So are they going to embrace cutting 50% of DoD? After all only 50% of their employees are “essential.”

Those are the ones in charge of things like health care, education and environmental cleanup…

484 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:14:13am

re: #483 Sol Berdinowitz

Those are the ones in charge of things like health care, education and environmental cleanup…

I know, I’m poking fun at how they’re interpreting essential.

485 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:14:50am

re: #459 Vicious Babushka


Ah. Rob Schneider is blaming Democrats for being a shitty actor and not able to find work. The teabaggers will certainly welcome him with open arms. Amazing though, no one else in Hollywood is complaining for not being able to work.

486 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:14:55am

re: #483 Sol Berdinowitz

Those are the ones in charge of things like health care, education and environmental cleanup…

All things, of course, that wingnuts think the “free market” can do better for less. Having been on Tricare and gone through the dicking around that they give our serving and retired warriors, I think that’s an utter fucking laugh.

487 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:15:57am

re: #480 HappyWarrior

So are they going to embrace cutting 50% of DoD? After all only 50% of their employees are “essential.”

More like the outcry when all the military contractors get axed.

488 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:16:22am

re: #485 Dr. Matt

Ah. Rob Schneider is blaming Democrats for being a shitty actor and not able to find work. The teabaggers will certainly welcome him with open arms. Amazing though, no one else in Hollywood is not complaining for not being able to work.

I’m sure we’ll hear that he’s “blacklisted” now. I always get amused when conservative actors complain about that since the right are the ones who embraced very real blacklisting of leftist actors, directors, and writers in the 50’s. Not Hollywood’s fault that a lot of its right wing actors are one dimensional and not that talented with some exceptions.

489 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:16:35am

re: #486 Targetpractice

All things, of course, that wingnuts think the “free market” can do better for less. Having been on Tricare and gone through the dicking around that they give our serving and retired warriors, I think that’s an utter fucking laugh.

A lot of them are contractors, the people I know who work in education and cleanup are employed by outside firms who work for the DoD

490 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:17:34am
491 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:17:43am

re: #488 HappyWarrior

I’m sure we’ll hear that he’s “blacklisted” now. I always get amused when conservative actors complain about that since the right are the ones who embraced very real blacklisting of leftist actors, directors, and writers in the 50’s. Not Hollywood’s fault that a lot of its right wing actors are one dimensional and not that talented with some exceptions.

Just like how Eastwood got blacklisted after speaking at the GOP Convention.
//

492 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:18:53am

I mean I look at this way. Schneider’s act may have been kinda funny in the late 90’s coming from a late 30’s some. He turns 50 at the end of the month(thanks wiki), no one wants to see a guy whose best days are way behind him in a silly comedy. Jim Carrey can get away with it because his classics like Dumb and Dumber, Ace Ventura, were you know actually funny.

493 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:19:25am

re: #485 Dr. Matt

Ah. Rob Schneider is blaming Democrats for being a shitty actor and not able to find work. The teabaggers will certainly welcome him with open arms. Amazing though, no one else in Hollywood is complaining for not being able to work.

I’m surprised we don’t hear more wingnuts howling about how Tim Tebow’s Christianity has gotten him blacklisted by that well-known secular leftist organization known as the NFL and not, you know, the fact that he’s a terrible quarterback.

494 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:19:30am

re: #489 Sol Berdinowitz

A lot of them are contractors, the people I know who work in education and cleanup are employed by outside firms who work for the DoD

Yeah, these days if there’s something that the DoD needs done, it’s been contracted out. It’s got my old man pissed because, while his shop has been furloughed due to the shutdown, the contractors in the next shop over are puttering right alone. Difference? They’re doing paint, body work, and other items that only matter if the bird is in the air. His shop? Engines. And they’re out of engines that are rebuilt and ready to go. So if the shutdown continues for too much longer, the Coast Guard’s gonna have to start grounding birds.

495 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:19:53am

re: #493 Ian G.

I’m surprised we don’t hear more wingnuts howling about how Tim Tebow’s Christianity has gotten him blacklisted by that well-known secular leftist organization known as the NFL and not, you know, the fact that he’s a terrible quarterback.

It’s harder to do that with the NFL.

496 sagehen  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:20:07am

re: #488 HappyWarrior

I’m sure we’ll hear that he’s “blacklisted” now. I always get amused when conservative actors complain about that since the right are the ones who embraced very real blacklisting of leftist actors, directors, and writers in the 50’s. Not Hollywood’s fault that a lot of its right wing actors are one dimensional and not that talented with some exceptions.

Bite your tongue!! Victoria Jackson is the finest actor of her generation, it’s pure political animus that keeps the casting agents from her door. (either that, or the Jews who run Hollywood are spitefully denying work to anybody who loves Jesus as much as she does)

//

497 Gus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:20:13am

Rob Schneider becomes a Republican.

Game changer.

//

[Rob Schneider. The original derp. (South Park).]

498 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:20:45am

Ikea to start selling solar panels

Ikea will start selling rooftop solar systems at all of its UK stores within the next 10 months.
The systems are being sold for a minimum of £5,700 ($9210.63 USD as of Sept. 30). Ikea expects consumers to break even on their purchase within seven years.
Ikea decided to bring rooftop solar systems to all 17 of its UK stores after it sold approximately one per day

Thoughts?

499 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:20:58am

re: #497 Gus

Rob Schneider becomes a Republican.

Game changer.

//

[Rob Schneider. The original derp. (South Park).]

Derp to derp as it goes in the Bible.

500 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:21:17am

re: #492 HappyWarrior

I mean I look at this way. Schneider’s act may have been kinda funny in the late 90’s coming from a late 30’s some. He turns 50 at the end of the month(thanks wiki), no one wants to see a guy whose best days are way behind him in a silly comedy. Jim Carrey can get away with it because his classics like Dumb and Dumber, Ace Ventura, were you know actually funny.

Carrey’s not just a character actor, he can actually do more roles than just zany slapstick. Schenider can never seem to play anything other than “fish out of water” roles.

501 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:22:17am

re: #498 Dark_Falcon

Ikea to start selling solar panels

Thoughts?

If the breakeven for normally cloudy England is 7 years, what would it be for a country or location that tends to get more sun? (Though that also depends heavily on what local energy prices are, and how heavily they are subsidized.)

502 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:23:01am

re: #500 Targetpractice

Carrey’s not just a character actor, he can actually do more roles than just zany slapstick. Schenider can never seem to play anything other than “fish out of water” roles.

Maybe he and Stallone can do another buddy movie.
(Bites own tongue after that slips out.)

503 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:23:44am

re: #500 Targetpractice

Carrey’s not just a character actor, he can actually do more roles than just zany slapstick. Schenider can never seem to play anything other than “fish out of water” roles.

True. For all his foolish anti-vaxism back when he was dating Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey can actually carry a non-comedic scene.

504 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:24:34am

re: #500 Targetpractice

Carrey’s not just a character actor, he can actually do more roles than just zany slapstick. Schenider can never seem to play anything other than “fish out of water” roles.

Right. Carrey was awesome in Truman Show and Eternal Sunshine. It sucks that he too is an anti-vaxxer though. I like Jim but damn it man educate yourself about the vaccines buddy.

505 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:24:48am

re: #503 Dark_Falcon

True. For all his foolish anti-vaxism back when he was dating Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey can actually carry a non-comedic scene.

Personally think he can carry a non-comedic movie, provided the writers don’t try to shoehorn comedy in. Case in point, The Majestic.

506 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:24:54am

re: #474 Targetpractice

Schneider only ever works in small doses, generally as part of an ensemble or in a supporting role.

Like in “Demolition Man”.

507 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:26:15am

SMH

508 erik_t  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:26:49am

Representative Stockman clogged my tubes.

Eat more fiber, Steve.

509 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:27:43am

re: #507 Vicious Babushka

SMH

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Steve, if you can design a web server that can get bombarded with millions of simultaneous hits and not slow down or crash, then you have a future in Silicon Valley.

510 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:28:20am

re: #509 Targetpractice

Steve, if you can design a web server that can get bombarded with millions of simultaneous hits and not slow down or crash, then you have a future in Silicon Valley.

And the IT contractors who provide website support are “non essential.”

511 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:28:40am

re: #507 Vicious Babushka

And it’s not like the insurance company websites haven’t crashed during the annual benefits period either. They do. Invariably. But they get sorted out and work.

This numbnut, like every other GOPer fears that Obamacare will be successful because it means that their delay, defund, destroy campaign not only failed but will be seen for what it was - standing in the way of progress by all except the TPExtortionists, who think that if only the GOP were more stalwart (and more pure in extortionists), they would have succeeded.

512 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:30:00am

derp

513 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:30:03am

re: #507 Vicious Babushka

SMH

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Another contestant in “Who can be the stupidest member of the GOP caucus.” It was already put nicely here the other way. If the website’s having trouble(I’ had none when I checked it out) but if it is, it’s because of demand. Does Amazon lack a superior product because it ocassionally crashes? It’s called demand, Stockman, maybe you’d know that if you had spent some time learning in stead of dealing drugs when you were younger.

514 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:31:16am

re: #485 Dr. Matt

Ah. Rob Schneider is blaming Democrats for being a shitty actor and not able to find work. The teabaggers will certainly welcome him with open arms. Amazing though, no one else in Hollywood is complaining for not being able to work.

“Derp! Derp-o-rino! The Derp-meister! The Derpinator!”

515 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:31:50am

re: #512 Vicious Babushka

derp

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The question I have honestly is what really is there for Obama to compromise. The time for the GOP to get compromises was when the law was still a bill. It’s not compromise for the GOP to demand delay, repeal, or refund. It’s outright extortion. If the GOP wants to work out some kinks with the bill, by all means come to the table as Senator Durbin suggested but we’re not going to repeal, defund, or delay ACA just because the Republicans are butthurt.

516 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:33:11am

re: #512 Vicious Babushka

derp

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Ben, “compromise” is not me saying I’ll forgo cutting off your hand in exchange for a few fingers.

517 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:33:22am
518 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:34:26am

re: #5 Kragar

As a Dad, nothing quite beats the simple joy of sneaking up on your kids as they watch a horror movie and scaring the bejeezus out of them.

1. wait until 3 am, verify kid(s) sleeping soundly.
2. drop large box of silverware, crate of cymbals, or other extremely noisy object right outside kids’ bedroom door.
3. find a good hiding spot and do not answer when the kid(s) get freaked out that there was a scary noise and they appear to be alone.
4. wait for tears and panic.
5. wait a little more.
6. THEN jump out and scare the bejeezus out of them.
7. profit

Note: it’s best if you do this to someone else’s kids, so you aren’t burdened with the fallout.

519 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:35:01am

re: #511 lawhawk

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And it’s not like the insurance company websites haven’t crashed during the annual benefits period either. They do. Invariably. But they get sorted out and work.

This numbnut, like every other GOPer fears that Obamacare will be successful because it means that their delay, defund, destroy campaign not only failed but will be seen for what it was - standing in the way of progress by all except the TPExtortionists, who think that if only the GOP were more stalwart (and more pure in extortionists), they would have succeeded.

They’re petrified of it being popular. Of that, I have little doubt. If they weren’t. They would have just argued that it was inefficient. They wouldn’t have resorted to outright lies and fear stroking and they certainly wouldn’t be trying to delay its inevitable implementation. They want ACA either gone or as weak as possible so they can say “see ACA doesn’t work.” I for one hope the American people see that ACA isn’t the terror that teh right made it out to be and return the Republicans favor by making them the minority party in Congress for a very long time.

520 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:35:09am

re: #507 Vicious Babushka

SMH

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I’ve got a couple friends in the next town over, both veterans (like myself), who are pretty damn happy right now.

Stockman should go back to poking holes in the ground.

521 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:35:38am

The morning Rand Paul derp:

522 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:37:11am
523 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:37:14am

re: #518 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

1. wait until 3 am, verify kid(s) sleeping soundly.
2. drop large box of silverware, crate of cymbals, or other extremely noisy object right outside kids’ bedroom door.
3. find a good hiding spot and do not answer when the kid(s) get freaked out that there was a scary noise and they appear to be alone.
4. wait for tears and panic.
5. wait a little more.
6. THEN jump out and scare the bejeezus out of them.
7. profit

Note: it’s best if you do this to someone else’s kids, so you aren’t burdened with the fallout.

I find this to be far more effective.

Image: 167795496a06dc503779cb06296d5d87.jpg

Thanks, Gary Larson!

524 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:37:54am

re: #521 lawhawk

The morning Rand Paul derp:

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It’s almost as if Rand forgets the very movement that swept a pathetic loser like him to the Senate despite him having never been elected to any position before. What a revisionist schmuck this guy is. He knows damn well there was a debate on ACA. He was elected in large part because of that debate. In a normal year, Rand Paul would have been rejected by the voters because he’s an extreme wackjob.

525 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:39:42am

re: #497 Gus

Rob Schneider becomes a Republican.

Game changer.

Indeed. Like the highly-touted endorsement of Mitt Romney by Meat Loaf, this is sure to swing ones of votes.

526 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:40:02am

It’s almost as if the Republicans have collective amnesia and think ACA is still being debated as a bill and that the Supreme Court never ruled on it. As said, the time to debate the merits of the bill has passed since this was passed into law and its legality affirmed. I’m sorry that Rand, Stockman, and others refuse to get that little fact but just because they weren’t there when it happened doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.I know it breaks Rand’s little heart that he couldn’t have filibustered civil rights ever with Strom Thurmond.

527 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:41:40am

re: #525 BongCrodny

Indeed. Like the highly-touted endorsement of Mitt Romney by Meat Loaf, this is sure to swing ones of votes.

Eastwood’s RNC speech will push Mitt to victory to buy a new chair. Seriously GOP use Schneider all you want if you think he’ll be an effective voice for your cause. At least Ronald Reagan’s most famous roles had some memorable parts to them. Schneider is a guy some of us found kinda funny when we were 12.

528 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:41:55am

re: #522 lawhawk

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At least the moon is still open, AFAIK.

529 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:43:16am

*facepalm*
Fox News did not get the memo to blame Reid.

530 calochortus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:45:16am

I’ve seen suggestions that conservatives should log on to the online exchanges to further overload the system. (I need a little eye-rolling icon here) That will certainly show us.
There is also some hyperventilating about sacrificing their own access to healthcare in order to spare their children from “slavery”. They’re going to stand in the doorway with their guns to keep government thugs from offering well child visits. Hyperbole, much?

531 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:47:10am

re: #530 calochortus

I’ve seen suggestions that conservatives should log on to the online exchanges to further overload the system. (I need a little eye-rolling icon here) That will certainly show us.
There is also some hyperventilating about sacrificing their own access to healthcare in order to spare their children from “slavery”. They’re going to stand in the doorway with their guns to keep government thugs from offering well child visits. Hyperbole, much?

They’re paranoid idiots. Hurting the mental health system was a big mistake by Reagan. He could have really helped out his base!

532 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:49:13am

You know, one of the interesting things to watch will be those states that declined the medicare expansion. In florida they refused it and if people show up and find they couldn’t get on the exchange but would have been qualified for the medicare expansion do they hold their state governments accountable for their refusal?

533 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:49:56am

The rest of the developed world have to looking at the wingnuts right now in utter disbelief over their completely unhinged rantings for providing health care for fellow citizens.

534 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:51:05am
535 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:51:30am

re: #530 calochortus

I’ve seen suggestions that conservatives should log on to the online exchanges to further overload the system. (I need a little eye-rolling icon here) That will certainly show us.
There is also some hyperventilating about sacrificing their own access to healthcare in order to spare their children from “slavery”. They’re going to stand in the doorway with their guns to keep government thugs from offering well child visits. Hyperbole, much?

Teabaggers compare a bunch of stuff to “slavery” that is totally not “slavery” but they would love to be able to own a whole bunch of blah people.

536 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:52:58am

re: #534 Lidane

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fiscally responsible party…

537 Mattand  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:53:10am

I think I’m off the net for a little bit. I got some notices from a Politico page I commented on from guys who are pretending slavery had little to do with the Civil War.

One guy is actually blaming the slave trade on black people. Unreal.

Anyways, to go full metal OP, I just finally watched the video Charles posted. Amazing to see how places in Philly I walk, drive and bike around would look in the day if everyone just vanished.

The dog must be walked. Later.

538 blueraven  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:53:51am
The Nullification Party

I regard this development as one of the more insidious and anti-constitutional acts of racist vandalism against the American republic in my adult lifetime. Those who keep talking as if there are two sides to this, when there are not, are as much a part of the vandalism as Ted Cruz. Obama has played punctiliously by the constitutional rules - two elections, one court case - while the GOP has decided that the rules are for dummies and suckers, and throws over the board game as soon as it looks as if it is going to lose by the rules as they have always applied.

The president must therefore hold absolutely firm. This time, there can be no compromise because the GOP isn’t offering any. They’re offering the kind of constitutional surrender that would effectively end any routine operation of the American government. If we cave to their madness, we may unravel our system of government, something one might have thought conservatives would have opposed. Except these people are not conservatives. They’re vandals.

This time, the elephant must go down. And if possible, it must be so wounded it does not get up for a long time to come.

The Dish

539 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:54:43am

re: #535 Vicious Babushka

Teabaggers compare a bunch of stuff to “slavery” that is totally not “slavery” but they would love to be able to own a whole bunch of blah people.

If you don’t like X you can compare it to slavery, fascism, Neville Chamberlain, Jim Crow, the Inquisition, etc…

If you like it, you compare it to the Founding Fathers (and original Tea Partiers, of course), the Alamo defenders, the Pioneers, the Crusaders and the Greatest Generation.

540 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:55:56am

re: #537 Mattand

I think I’m off the net for a little bit. I got some notices from a Politico page I commented on from guys who are pretending slavery had little to do with the Civil War.

Is it the Paultard “purist” view of the Civil War, i.e., the war was merely about “economic liberty”?

541 calochortus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:57:01am

re: #540 Dr. Matt

Is it the Paultard “purist” view of the Civil War, i.e., the war was merely about “economic liberty”?

Would that be the economic liberty of blacks to remain in slavery?

542 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:57:02am

re: #537 Mattand

I think I’m off the net for a little bit. I got some notices from a Politico page I commented on from guys who are pretending slavery had little to do with the Civil War.

One guy is actually blaming the slave trade on black people. Unreal.

Anyways, to go full metal OP, I just finally watched the video Charles posted. Amazing to see how places in Philly I walk, drive and bike around would look in the day if everyone just vanished.

The dog must be walked. Later.

Ah Civil War revisionism the mark of a scoundrel.

543 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:57:06am

I found a Twitter account called @BlindManMark “IncomeTaxISSlavery”

You can look at its timeline. It hearts Pamela & Spencer & Alex Jones.

544 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:57:42am

re: #540 Dr. Matt

Is it the Paultard “purist” view of the Civil War, i.e., the war was merely about “economic liberty”?

TARIFFS!!!1!!11!!!!

545 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:58:59am

re: #533 Dr. Matt

The rest of the developed world have to looking at the wingnuts right now in utter disbelief over their completely unhinged rantings for providing health care for fellow citizens.

In the Czech Republic, we have something akin to the individual mandate; by law, you have to have health insurance. No ifs, ands or buts.

It’s no big deal; after all, here, you have to have auto insurance if you own and drive a car. Now granted, most cities have very good public transportation, so you really don’t need one - I do quite nicely without it, to be honest. Even rural villages are served by public transportation through ČSAD (a nationwide bus network, sorta like Greyhound).

So yeah, Czech by and large really don’t understand the problem the Teahadis have with this whole issue. Healthcare over here is a mix of public and private, and we have private health insurance companies, hell, even luxury private hospitals.

Me? I go to a local Poliklinika which is a municipal health-care facility. It works just fine, thanks. And the doctors give you the option of using either fee for service or your health insurance. For little things, most Czechs will go with fee for service and only whip out the insurance card if it’s something major.

546 Mattand  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:59:21am

re: #540 Dr. Matt

Is it the Paultard “purist” view of the Civil War, i.e., the war was merely about “economic liberty”?

Sort of. One guy is pulling the “economic oppression of the South” horseshit. The one other one is saying “Black people sold slaves, too, therefore black people were just as bad as whites.”

Sometimes I just look at my fellow countrymen and wonder, “Is Canada as fucked up as this?”

547 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:59:32am

WTFITS

548 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:01:13am

re: #538 blueraven

Sully is in full nuclear mode and right on with that one.

549 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:01:43am

re: #547 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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Yes, the catastrophe is now on display. Oh wait that’s Bryan’s face.

550 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:02:21am

WTF is he talking about? What is “alternative media.” There was AOL and Compuserve and Usenet in ‘96.

551 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:02:47am
552 calochortus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:02:53am

re: #550 Vicious Babushka

WTF is he talking about? What is “alternative media.” There was AOL and Compuserve and Usenet in ‘96.

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His ability to Tweet.

553 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:03:19am

re: #550 Vicious Babushka

WTF is he talking about? What is “alternative media.” There was AOL and Compuserve and Usenet in ‘96.

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If I’m not mistaken, even Free Republic was online in 1996, and people were commenting away.

554 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:04:14am

re: #553 Dr Lizardo

If I’m not mistaken, even Free Republic was online in 1996, and people were commenting away.

I’m thinking FR didn’t go up until ‘97 but that’s close enough.

555 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:04:19am

re: #553 Dr Lizardo

If I’m not mistaken, even Free Republic was online in 1996, and people were commenting away.

I’m pretty sure judging by the way FR looks, I think its server is located in 1996 somewhere. No one should tell Jim Robinson how Space Jam ends or that the Star Wars Prequels are awful.

556 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:05:42am

He’s kind of got a point. We didn’t have FB or Twitter in ‘96 but you know what, people were still very pissed off then and they’re going to be pissed off now. I just love hear Bryan Fischer of all people lecture about essential workers. Dude, you’re a political talk radio host. You’re basically what could politely be called a professional bullshit artist or more meanly a big fucking liar.

557 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:06:16am

I was on Usenet in ‘96, using Free Agent as both an email client and newsgroup reader.

I remember when every September we’d get flooded with newbies receiving their first EDU accounts, and ix.netcom.com were the stupidest luzrz on the planet.

558 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:06:40am

re: #551 Lidane

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Just like Hitler. He cut down the Jews health care premiums to 0 a month//

559 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:07:26am

I also remember that Robert Stacy McCain was the Third Most Annoying Troll on alt.war.civil.usa

560 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:07:40am
561 chadu  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:07:59am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

I think we’ll see an impeachment attempt on Obama before it’s all over.

My guess: the GOP will pull this same shit with the debt ceiling, the President will be forced to do something under the 14th Amendment, and bingo: impeachment time.

562 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:08:29am

re: #554 Vicious Babushka

I’m thinking FR didn’t go up until ‘97 but that’s close enough.

You’re right…..it started in February of 1997. I knew it was sometime around the late 1990s.

563 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:08:49am

re: #560 Lidane

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Yeah that’s why mom had to go file for her furlough today or way my background check is being delayed. Just a slimdown. Keep on lying to your viewers Fox because I know Roger Ailes has a reality allergy.

564 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:09:23am

re: #561 chadu

My guess: the GOP will pull this same shit with the debt ceiling, the President will be forced to do something under the 14th Amendment, and bingo: impeachment time.

That’s exactly what I’m thinking too.

565 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:09:36am

re: #562 Dr Lizardo

You’re right…..it started in February of 1997. I knew it was sometime around the late 1990s.

It makes me feel like such a child knowing that shitty site has been up for over 60% of my lfietime.

566 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:09:41am

re: #560 Lidane

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So the economy did not collapse under Bush, it just “slimmed down”…

567 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:10:08am

re: #566 Sol Berdinowitz

So the economy did not collapse under Bush, it just “slimmed down”…

Stop lbaming Bush and starting blaming Obama!//

568 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:10:22am


Not without a hint of irony…

569 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:10:58am

re: #565 HappyWarrior

It makes me feel like such a child knowing that shitty site has been up for over 60% of my lfietime.

To show how old I am, I remember when there were actually sane people there.

I think most of them got purged long, long ago.

570 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:11:23am

re: #561 chadu

My guess: the GOP will pull this same shit with the debt ceiling, the President will be forced to do something under the 14th Amendment, and bingo: impeachment time.

I just don’t see the crime there but please proceed GOP.

571 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:12:01am

re: #569 Dr Lizardo

To show how old I am, I remember when there were actually sane people there.

I think most of them got purged long, long ago.

So that’s who supported Jon Huntsman.//

572 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:13:15am

re: #569 Dr Lizardo

To show how old I am, I remember when there were actually sane people there.

I think most of them got purged long, long ago.

I used to post at FReep. The place went into meltdown after the ‘08 election, that’s when I stopped going there. Did not feel a need to “flounce” or “opus” as they called it there, I just stopped visiting the site.

573 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:13:37am

Heritage is just begging for trolling:

574 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:13:53am

re: #571 HappyWarrior

So that’s who supported Jon Huntsman.//

Heh.

I check over there to see what the wackos are up to; I figure that Freepers really are the hardcore, highly vocal base of the TP faction of the GOP. Hell, FR is Tea Party central in some ways.

575 Gus  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:14:15am

bbl

576 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:15:11am

re: #572 Vicious Babushka

I used to post at FReep. The place went into meltdown after the ‘08 election, that’s when I stopped going there. Did not feel a need to “flounce” or “opus” as they called it there, I just stopped visiting the site.

Oh yeah, after the ‘08 election, they totally lost it.

577 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:16:41am

re: #573 lawhawk

Heritage is just begging for trolling:

Obamacare means Romneycare but on a national level…

578 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:17:10am

Issa. Norquist. I have a headache.

I really really do not see how anyone can excuse what is going on with the Republican tactics. All I’ll say is, if you truly love the Republican party the best thing you can do is tell them to go to hell. They sure are not listening to you either. They count on your support to continue as they are. If you are not in the 1% get real and get ready for when they run over you too. Can you say enabler? Can you say you are helping tank this country?

Damn ol’ Ike couldn’t have been more right.

That’s it. Saturation reached for one day. Later.

579 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:17:39am

re: #574 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I check over there to see what the wackos are up to; I figure that Freepers really are the hardcore, highly vocal base of the TP faction of the GOP. Hell, FR is Tea Party central in some ways.

I was kind of kidding but it was my understanding that FR was always pretty nuts but what was fringe right when I first really started following the news in the 90’s become more mainstream right wing now. It downright saddens me in a way that guys like Goldwater, Ford, Nixon, Bush I, and even Reagan would be too liberal not only economically but socially for today’s GOP. Whilst the Democrats became more progressive on social matters at the 60’s went on, what I think we’ve witnessed is a reversal where the GOP grew more reactionary on social issues. Hell, Mitt Romney accused POTUS of forcing gay marriage on America. I seen an ad from Mitt when he ran against Ted Kennedy when he tried to out-left TK on that issue and distance himself from the social conservatism that dominated the party in the 80’s as a whole. It’s honestly kind of sad.

580 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:17:46am

And here comes Cantor, claiming that this would be solved by sitting down with a bunch of extortionists:

581 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:18:36am

HAHA FAIL
Sweden has single-payer

582 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:18:44am

re: #580 lawhawk

And here comes Cantor, claiming that this would be solved by sitting down with a bunch of extortionists:

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Cantor’s so full of shit.

583 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:18:54am

re: #415 Gus

Fractions are like pies and everyone knows that pie is a lie.

It’s the cake that is the lie. Pie is a fabrication.

584 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:19:48am

re: #581 Vicious Babushka

HAHA FAIL
Sweden has single-payer

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Is that an accidental argument for handling health care more like Sweden does there, Bry? One I’m not even sure of myself since I’m not 100% sure if Sweden’s model would work on the U.S.

585 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:20:21am

re: #579 HappyWarrior

I was kind of kidding but it was my understanding that FR was always pretty nuts but what was fringe right when I first really started following the news in the 90’s become more mainstream right wing now. It downright saddens me in a way that guys like Goldwater, Ford, Nixon, Bush I, and even Reagan would be too liberal not only economically but socially for today’s GOP. Whilst the Democrats became more progressive on social matters at the 60’s went on, what I think we’ve witnessed is a reversal where the GOP grew more reactionary on social issues. Hell, Mitt Romney accused POTUS of forcing gay marriage on America. I seen an ad from Mitt when he ran against Ted Kennedy when he tried to out-left TK on that issue and distance himself from the social conservatism that dominated the party in the 80’s as a whole. It’s honestly kind of sad.

The modern variant of “conservatism” that we see on display nowadays is nothing more than a stridently reactionary ideology.

586 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:20:59am

re: #530 calochortus

I’ve seen suggestions that conservatives should log on to the online exchanges to further overload the system. (I need a little eye-rolling icon here) That will certainly show us.

How about an eye-rolling icon that is vomiting other eye-rolling icons?

587 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:23:20am

re: #585 Dr Lizardo

The modern variant of “conservatism” that we see on display nowadays is nothing more than a stridently reactionary ideology.

Yeah, I’m looking at yesterday’s conservatives. They weren’t fans of big government but they were okay with working with what we had. Even Reagan famously said big government is the problem at the present time. These guys today have combined the worst elements of social conservatism(which is big government in itself) with Ayn Rand style Objectivism on economics combined with hawkishness. It’s a very flawed and nihilistic ideology if you want to even give it credit as an ideology.

588 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:23:45am
589 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:24:18am
590 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:25:33am


Occupy the National Monuments?

591 Weet  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:26:16am
592 brennant  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:26:49am

re: #588 Vicious Babushka

Issa looks like Saul from Breaking Bad.

593 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:29:36am

re: #591 Weet

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Wait until a default.

594 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:30:25am

If those veterans want to make sure they’ve got access to the monuments and the rest of the NP system, they ought to be storming the GOP Congressional offices demanding they drop their delay/defund/destroy Obamacare campaign and pass the CR and raise the debt ceiling without delay.

595 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:30:44am

re: #557 Vicious Babushka

I was on Usenet in ‘96, using Free Agent as both an email client and newsgroup reader.

I remember when every September we’d get flooded with newbies receiving their first EDU accounts, and ix.netcom.com were the stupidest luzrz on the planet.

Ah yes, Eternal September.

I still haven’t found a usenet reader that’s half as good as Free Agent was back in the day.

596 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:31:48am

re: #592 brennant

Issa looks like Saul from Breaking Bad.

No, because at least Saul can get some things done.

597 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:32:28am

There’s room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

598 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:33:03am

WTFITS

599 brennant  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:34:04am

re: #596 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

My LOL, let me show you it.

600 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:34:20am

I can’t say what life will show me
But I know where I’ve been
I can’t say where life will lead me
But I know what I’ve seen

601 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:34:53am

re: #593 Dr Lizardo

Wait until a default.

I don’t think Obama would even need to use the 14th amendment if the GOP tries to shoot the debt ceiling hostage.

At that time, Obama would have three options, all of which are illegal:

1) Arbitrarily cut spending

2) Arbitrarily increase taxes

3) Ignore the debt ceiling.

Option #3 is clearly the best choice. End of story.

602 Weet  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:34:53am
603 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:35:23am

re: #568 lawhawk

When you lose Jen Rubin…..

604 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:35:43am

re: #602 Weet

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Oh man.

605 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:36:51am

re: #598 Vicious Babushka

Troubled Hearts derp a lot.

606 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:37:23am
607 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:38:00am

*FACEPALM*

608 chadu  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:38:18am

re: #570 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I just don’t see the crime there but please proceed GOP.

It’s probably related to BENGHAZI!!!11!!!eleventy-one!!1!

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609 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:38:51am

re: #538 blueraven

yeah, this

610 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:38:59am

re: #607 Vicious Babushka

*FACEPALM*

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Does Stockman actually do his job other than play around on Twitter all day? Because that doesn’t make any sense at all.

611 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:39:18am
612 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:39:32am

re: #607 Vicious Babushka

derp

613 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:40:16am

re: #610 HappyWarrior

Does Stockman actually do his job other than play around on Twitter all day? Because that doesn’t make any sense at all.

Maybe it’s some intern.

Although I believe Bryan Fischer makes up his own derp.

614 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:41:10am

I see an impeachment vote as nearly inevitable here, once they sort out the deficit and budget, the GOP will need to keep the mindless stream of blather flowing uninterrupted.

Impeachment proceedings would grant every congressperson a platform to express their outrage at whatever they feel outrageously outraged against.

615 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:41:26am


Heh.

616 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:41:31am
617 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:42:09am
618 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:42:42am

re: #613 Vicious Babushka

Maybe it’s some intern.

Although I believe Bryan Fischer makes up his own derp.

It most likely is though I imagine Stockman or at least his CoS have the final say. This is just stupid.

619 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:42:58am

re: #615 lawhawk

Win
Win
Win

620 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:43:36am

re: #615 lawhawk

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Heh.

I believe that’s what they call a douche convention.

621 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:43:46am

re: #615 lawhawk

Dear GOPleader. I have an idea. Vote on a clean CR.

622 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:44:46am

re: #621 Bulworth

Dear GOPleader. I have an idea. Vote on a clean CR.

But he doesn’t wanna, the TP will say mean things about him.

623 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:06:13am
624 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:43:25am

LGF is back, GOP defeated again.

625 Carlos Danger  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:43:48am

The Asshole Party:

Shutdown Preparations Prove Most Government Is Waste

I wonder how long it will take for states that rely on the federal government before they run through their meager emergency coffers and we’ll see then how many people are deemed “waste”.

626 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:50:31am

Is it safe?

627 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:51:34am

I blame the GOP.

628 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:53:35am

IT’S ALIVE!!!!

629 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:53:37am


Fuck you, Cantor.

630 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:55:36am

Was the LGF outage part of the GOPSHITDOWN?

631 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:56:14am
632 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:57:08am
633 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:57:52am

Weird….LGF was down for quite a while there. Seems OK now.

634 Snarknado!  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:57:56am

Whew.

635 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:58:05am

re: #631 wrenchwench

a) that’s a really shitty orange color, but I guess it’s the only way to make John of the Orange appear normal

b) when you guys have voted on the bill that the Senate has sent to you, just a straight up or down vote, then we can start talking compromises.

636 piratedan  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:58:23am

who knew that Mike Judge’s Idiotcracy was actually a documentary?

637 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:58:31am

Apparently, according to CNN, the latest House GOP ploy will be piecemeal CRs, as Cruz proposed last week.

Yes, seriously.

638 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:58:47am

re: #636 piratedan

I did

639 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:58:57am

re: #633 Dr Lizardo

Weird….LGF was down for quite a while there. Seems OK now.

Yeah, what the hell was that?

Symptoms of withdrawal started. I can stop sweating now.

640 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:59:04am

re: #636 piratedan

who knew that Mike Judge’s Idiotcracy was actually a documentary?

It’s a documentary from the future sent back to us via tachyon transmission.

641 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:59:21am

re: #637 Targetpractice

Apparently, according to CNN, the latest House GOP ploy will be piecemeal CRs, as Cruz proposed last week.

Yes, seriously.

And all of this bullshit over a CR to fund the government for SIX WEEKS.

Assholes, all of them.

642 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:59:34am

In the no really, you can’t make this shit up category, I found this gem from francis in a reply to me:

Do you really need the government to tell you what to do with your body?

643 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:59:38am

re: #633 Dr Lizardo

Weird….LGF was down for quite a while there. Seems OK now.

I was getting the shakes. We had a support group going on Twitter.

644 jaunte  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:00:03am

Needs more clown hat.

645 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:00:52am

re: #643 Vicious Babushka

I was getting the shakes. We had a support group going on Twitter.

Heh. I was wondering if it was a DOS attack or something.

646 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:00:55am

On my first day of government work shutdown I have been to the dentist, got my driver’s license renewed, tried to access LGF, and listened to the noise outside from my cul-de-sac being repaved.

647 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:01:21am
648 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:01:37am

re: #640 Dr Lizardo

It’s a documentary from the future sent back to us via tachyon transmission.

So, you’re the other person to have seen that movie.

649 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:01:57am

re: #644 jaunte

I wonder which focus group recommended #FairnessForAll? It’s a word that doesn’t sit well on them.

650 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:02:05am

re: #648 Kragar

So, you’re the other person to have seen that movie.

Indeed.

651 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:02:06am

re: #648 Kragar

So, you’re the other person to have seen that movie.

*raises hand* It was on a Syfy marathon…and I was bored…

652 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:02:11am
653 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:03:20am

re: #642 klys

In the no really, you can’t make this shit up category, I found this gem from francis in a reply to me:

Check this oddity:

19 francis Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:57:10am

re: #15 jamesfirecat

James you are right I stand corrected.

Never thought I’d see the day.

654 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:03:24am

re: #644 jaunte

655 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:03:51am

re: #637 Targetpractice

The one week CR’s are so they can keep stringing the TP deadenders along. “Yes we will defund, delay, repeal Obamacare, just on the next CR, we promise.”

656 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:03:52am

re: #641 Lidane

The GOP thinks this is a winning strategy to screw with anyone who relies on the government in any capacity, whether you work for them, rely on services, oversight, or for government contracts. And to do so repeatedly, because if you show symptoms of GOPExtortionism, you’re required to shut down government until you get your way.

However, in no scenario does this favor the GOP, except perhaps to secure reelection of these same ass clowns in 2014 in districts that are so gerrymandered that the extremists are the only ones who stand a chance within the GOP of surviving a primary. There are no competitive districts to speak of, so the feedback loop of derp continues apace.

When the GOP folds - namely when Boehner realizes the damage done is irreversible, he’ll give up the Hastert rule and let a clean vote proceed.

And he too will be primaried and face an extremist who seeks ideological purity that demands nothing less than Obamacare on a platter (Obama’s head would be sufficient alternative).

657 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:04:08am

Alright, who broke the intertoobz???

658 jaunte  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:04:20am
659 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:04:32am

re: #653 wrenchwench

Check this oddity:

Never thought I’d see the day.

Granted, it took like 6 people pointing out that links were provided and a “goggle” search can turn up fake shit because a simple web search is not citations.

But at least we know the …ahem… quality of the research he uses to back up his opinions!

660 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:04:36am

re: #636 piratedan

who knew that Mike Judge’s Idiotcracy was actually a documentary instructional video?

FTFY

661 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:04:52am

Joyner: ‘Our Only Hope Is A Military Takeover’

“There’s no way our republic can last much longer,” Joyner said, adding that “we’re headed for serious tyranny” because the electoral system is so broken that the leaders we need who can save this nation will never win office. That is why “our only hope is a military takeover; martial law”.

662 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:05:07am

I’m all terrified the site’s going to go away again.

DON’T LEAVE ME.

663 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:05:33am
664 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:06:00am

re: #661 Kragar

Freedom. Liberty.

Oh, I see, when the people you vote for don’t win, it’s because “the electoral system is broken” and only martial law will do.

665 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:06:11am

re: #658 jaunte

666 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:06:18am

re: #662 klys

I’m all terrified the site’s going to go away again.

DON’T LEAVE ME.

Especially during a government shutdown.

667 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:06:49am

re: #662 klys

I’m all terrified the site’s going to go away again.

DON’T LEAVE ME.

Think of twitter as a watered down methadone…. it’ll get ya through.

668 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:07:10am

Issa: ‘Not Funding The Government Is Part Of Funding It’

669 erik_t  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:07:13am

re: #662 klys

I’m all terrified the site’s going to go away again.

DON’T LEAVE ME.

Do not fret. LGF is hosted on an excepted server.

670 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:07:15am

re: #658 jaunte

they don’t listen.

671 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:07:22am

Just in case the RWNJs start braying about the military not being paid because Obama.

Shutdown exemption for military pay becomes law

militarytimes.com

“Military pay and the pay of some federal civilians and contractors will be exempt from delay during a government shutdown, under a law signed late Monday by President Obama”

672 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:07:24am

Teh Wingnut Turnspeak has broken Teh Intertubes

673 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:07:46am

re: #667 wrenchwench

Think of twitter as a watered down methadone…. it’ll get ya through.

The problem with Twitter is their absolutely horrid conversation layout that makes it impossible to find anything anymore. I rather adore the commenting system that Charles has built here. It’s fantastic and easily the best I have seen on the web.

674 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:08:22am

re: #671 Justanotherhuman

I don’t regret them being paid, but I think it reduces the urgency for a deal.

675 Carlos Danger  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:08:57am

re: #661 Kragar

Joyner: ‘Our Only Hope Is A Military Takeover’

2012 ELECTIONS

Senate
D 49,998,693 R 39,130,984

House
D 60,252,696 R 58,541,130

676 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:12:10am

re: #673 klys

The problem with Twitter is their absolutely horrid conversation layout that makes it impossible to find anything anymore. I rather adore the commenting system that Charles has built here. It’s fantastic and easily the best I have seen on the web.

And highly addictive! Just like gubbermint subsidies!

677 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:15:00am

re: #668 Kragar

Issa: ‘Not Funding The Government Is Part Of Funding It’

WTF does that even mean? Is that English?

678 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:15:02am

re: #615 lawhawk

[Embedded content]


Heh.

The GOP sure likes those empty chairs…

679 Teukka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:26:37am

Ow.
Just have to share Christiane Amanpour’s open on CNNi a coupla moments back:

“If you are an alien, you probably are asking right now about what is happening here on earth, in particular in the region of the planet called the United States.” [Paraphrased]

680 Snarknado!  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:34:45am

re: #648 Kragar

So, you’re the other person to have seen that movie.

Hey, I saw it too!


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