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1 b.d.  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:48:48pm

Sure is good seeing a thread open considering all of the stuff that is shut down across the nation.

2 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:49:42pm

Being a thread of the open variety, allow me to say I’m quite happy with the new Space Marine codex, because with minor variations to my army, I can field either a Salamanders or Raven Guard successor chapter.

3 jaunte  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:52:06pm
4 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:58:56pm

HURR HURR LET’S MAKE MOAR UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE & BLAME OBAMA FOR ALL TEH UNEMPLOYMENT!!!!!111!!!

5 jaunte  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:00:17pm

Laura Ingraham: ‘Sob stories’ from injured veterans will make GOP cave on shutdown

…Republicans in Congress, she said, will inevitably cave in to demands to reopen the government when people try to force them feel guilty for shutting down programs to help people who were hurt or traumatized serving the country in combat.

6 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:02:06pm

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR LET’S MAKE MOAR UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE & BLAME OBAMA FOR ALL TEH UNEMPLOYMENT!!!!!111!!!

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How many of the people making those comments are “essential” to their jobs?

7 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:02:25pm

what’s making it so sluggish

slugs

8 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:02:40pm

Charles, the server isn’t government owned by any chance is it.

/

9 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:03:55pm


HHS: Nearly 3 Million People Visited Obamacare Marketplace On First Day

10 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:07:59pm

New York Looking Into ‘Abnormally High Traffic’ To Obamacare Website

The head of New York state’s newly launched health insurance exchange said Tuesday that her agency is looking into the cause of surprisingly high web traffic to the exchange’s website.

“Since its launch, nystateofhealth.ny.gov has gotten approximately 10 million web visits, far more than was anticipated, causing login problems for users,” Donna Frescatore, executive director of NY State of Health, said in a statement. “In response to these issues, operators at the state’s call center have assisted thousands of callers while our technicians have increased the site’s capacity and are looking into the cause of this abnormally high traffic.”

According to Frescatore, more than 9,000 New York business owners and individuals were able to use the website to shop for health insurance on Tuesday. Frescatore did not elaborate about what the cause of the high traffic may have been.

Earlier in the day, NY State of Health had posted a statement on its website, saying that “[d]ue to overwhelming interest in the NY State of Health - including 2 million visits in the first 2 hours of the site launch - the health exchange is currently having log in issues.”

DOS attacks anyone?

11 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:10:00pm

re: #9 Kragar

Guessing that Huelskamp has problems with following simple directions…

12 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:11:21pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guessing that Huelskamp has problems with following simple directions…

Well, he is an ignorant sack of shit.

13 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:12:10pm

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

Sometimes I think of getting a Twitter account just to respond to the morons, but then I’d be working 24 hours a day for free.

I think it’s better just to peek through the bars into the asylum from time to time, then look a pictures of cute furry animals to drop the blood pressure back down into just hypertensive range.

14 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:12:48pm

re: #10 Kragar

New York Looking Into ‘Abnormally High Traffic’ To Obamacare Website

DOS attacks anyone?

It’s not like the teahadists would have any aversion to performing criminal acts to further their agenda.

15 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:13:31pm

Oops, wingnut forgot the meme HURR HURR DEMOCRATZ MADE TEH SHUTDOWN!!!11!!!!

16 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:15:37pm

re: #10 Kragar

I still can’t get onto the covered California site to start my application. I take that as a good sign.

17 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:20:37pm

re: #14 EPR-radar

If it ends up being DOS attack, perhaps action can be taken against the Republican Party?

18 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:23:59pm

re: #17 ProTARDISLiberal

If it ends up being DOS attack, perhaps action can be taken against the Republican Party?

That’s small stuff compared to what they’re really trying to do; overthrowing the elected government.

19 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:25:13pm

Oh for fuck’s sake this woman is something…


PREY on school!

20 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:27:57pm

re: #19 darthstar

Oh for fuck’s sake this woman is something…

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PREY on school!

Fucking Moran.

21 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:28:09pm

re: #9 Kragar

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HHS: Nearly 3 Million People Visited Obamacare Marketplace On First Day

What part of the fact that you shut down the government and the workers who maintain the website doesn’t this shit for brains not get? And 3 million is impressive despite that.

22 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:29:26pm

re: #18 Skip Intro

If they want to go down that road, then I am pretty sure we can take the same action against them as Bangladesh has been doing against Jamaat-i-Islami.

If we have to, we can call a handful of extremely close allies (Hi Canada, UK, France) to help.

If they want to overthrow, force them out into the open then.

23 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:30:21pm

Something odd happening at the web server, folks - we’re working on it.

24 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:30:36pm

re: #19 darthstar

Oh for fuck’s sake this woman is something…

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PREY on school!

*headdesk*

Basik proofreeding skillz - she haz non.

25 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:30:54pm

re: #19 darthstar

Oh for fuck’s sake this woman is something…

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PREY on school!

prey on the public school system? I think that’s her attempt to say that kids will be able to pray in school which they’ve always have. I don’t think Sarah ever had an algebra pop quiz. That joke aside, I know that you can pray in public school because I did it when I was more spiritual in high school. Now you can’t force prayer in public school but that’s different and despite what Sarah and numerous RR nuts say, it is.

26 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:32:21pm

re: #24 Dr Lizardo

*headdesk*

Basik proofreeding skillz - she haz non.

I still say she’s the stupidest elected official I’ve ever witnessed. Some of them I think merely pander to the lowest common denominator. I think Palin is that denominator.

27 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:33:25pm

LOLWUT

28 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:35:10pm

Honestly if I were a religious person, I’d have a problem with forcing prayer in school. Why force something that is meant to be so personal, so intimate, etc on people who may not be interested in it. But then again prayer in school is the RR’s way of wanting to use their religion in school. Because there’s no way in hell that they’re condoning a Muslim or Jewish prayer in public school.

29 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:35:26pm

l would love for this to be the straw that broke Cruz’s back and drove him out of office.

Cruz apologizes for referencing “Bataan Death March” in marathon floor speech

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

He’s not fit to shine those men’s shoes. All the apologies in the world won’t change what you are, Cruz.

30 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:37:01pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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I guess Erick has never tried buying tickets to a popular concert or sporting event. Websites have problems when loads of people are on at website and those problems I imagine are only confounded when the people who do web-staff aren’t even working because of a shutodwn. Jeez, I wonder whose fault that is. Erickson must have been dropped on his head as a child. No way he’s this stupid, obtuse maybe but not this willingly stupid. I can buy it from Palin.

31 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:37:06pm

If you exit totally out of this site and re-enter, it works much better. : )

32 erik_t  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:37:26pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Something odd happening at the web server, folks - we’re working on it.

Image: tumbeast-animalcontrol.jpg

33 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:38:53pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Something odd happening at the web server, folks - we’re working on it.

my pet explanation these days is that somebody changed some javascript library code on a server somewhere that the entire world is uploading

google news seemed to me to be acting a little strange as well…

34 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:38:55pm

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

l would love for this to be the straw that broke Cruz’s back and drove him out of office.

Cruz apologizes for referencing “Bataan Death March” in marathon floor speech

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

He’s not fit to shine those men’s shoes. All the apologies in the world won’t change what you are, Cruz.

It should ruin him but it won’t but I hope if he ever runs for president, he has to be reminded that he likened his cheap political stunt to what those men went through in Bataan in 1942. It’s right up there with likening opposing ACA to fighting the Nazis which he also did too. He’s a narcissistic little dickhead who wishes he had the courage the men of Bataan had in their pinkies.

35 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:39:55pm
36 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:40:00pm

re: #31 Justanotherhuman

If you exit totally out of this site and re-enter, it works much better. : )

i don’t exit often, but when i do, i always exit totally

(signed, the most innerestin man in the world)

37 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:42:17pm

re: #35 Lidane

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Wow good for Frank Wolf. Still strongly dislike him but I am glad he’s not being totally unbearable on this subject. i mean granted we have tons of federal workers in his district but I appreciate him doing the right thing.

38 blueraven  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:42:20pm

re: #19 darthstar

Oh for fuck’s sake this woman is something…

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PREY on school!

Fake

Sarah PaIin @SarahPaIinUSA
SATIRE :: THIS IS NOT SARAH PALIN’S TWITTER ACCOUNT.
bit.ly

39 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:43:37pm

re: #38 blueraven

Fake

Ah my bad. Palin’s still an idiot though.

40 simoom  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:44:58pm

You know those weaselly answers politicians often give to clearly conspiratorial questions (Birther, Sekrit-Mulsim, etc) where they almost never responsibly use their position of authority to shut the whole thing down (for fear of losing some of their most committed supporters)?

From GGreenwalds reddit IAmA:

reddit.com

[-]neutronish 156 points 5 hours ago

So…Michael Hastings….any comment?

[-]glenngreenwaldGlenn Greenwald[S] 233 points 5 hours ago

So…Michael Hastings….any comment?

Michael was a good friend and someone whose journalism I admired greatly. His death is a huge loss to the profession and the country, and something I still mourn.

41 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:45:48pm

Something appears to have gone down at Tampa’s Intl Airport. Arrests made, terminal evacuated; people have been put up at nearby hotels.

42 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:45:52pm

House Minority Leader Pelosi, D-Calif., sent a letter to members of the House Dem Caucus encouraging members to reject these three f***ing bills

ok, i admit it, the word was actually “funding”

43 simoom  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:46:56pm

This is a real gem too (///):

reddit.com

[-]torfnuds 53 points 5 hours ago

Since all of this has happened has it changed anything about your view of groups such as Anonymous?

[-]glenngreenwaldGlenn Greenwald[S] 103 points 5 hours ago

Since all of this has happened has it changed anything about your view of groups such as Anonymous?

I’ve long thought that Anonymous does some important and productive work, and nothing has changed my view, except to the extent that it has bolstered it.

44 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:48:01pm

re: #19 darthstar

Oh for fuck’s sake this woman is something…

[Embedded content]


PREY on school!

*headdesk*

Basik proofreeding skillz - she haz non.

45 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:49:35pm

Everyone deserted?

46 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:50:21pm

re: #13 Skip Intro

Sometimes I think of getting a Twitter account just to respond to the morons, but then I’d be working 24 hours a day for free.

I think it’s better just to peek through the bars into the asylum from time to time, then look a pictures of cute furry animals to drop the blood pressure back down into just hypertensive range.

If you have a twitter account it doesn’t mean that you have to tweet.

I have a protected twitter account. and use it as a topic and news aggragator.

e.g. Following the last presidential election on twitter was more entertaining than what was on TV.

47 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:50:22pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Something odd happening at the web server, folks - we’re working on it.

sudo apache restart

48 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:50:59pm

Well my mom who will be out of work indefinitely due to the shutodwn still has her sense of humor. Shutdown means that she doesn’t have to plan the end of fiscal year party. Sometimes I guess you got to laugh. She was also amazed that I remembered anti-Gingrich email that she showed me during the first shutdown when I was 8-9 years old.

49 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:51:40pm

re: #45 Justanotherhuman

No, just not able to post.

It isn’t just LGF.

I notice major slowdowns on TPM, Twitter, and Tumblr.

50 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:51:46pm

Boehner changes tack and tries emotional manipulation with a hint of jingoistic flag waving…and fails.

51 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:52:10pm

re: #38 blueraven

Fake

Oh hell, it might as well be. : )

52 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:52:18pm

re: #49 ProTARDISLiberal

No, just not able to post.

It isn’t just LGF.

I notice major slowdowns on TPM, Twitter, and Tumblr.

Obamacare has killed the internets.

53 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:52:46pm
54 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:53:21pm

re: #50 darthstar

Boehner changes tack and tries emotional manipulation with a hint of jingoistic flag waving…and fails.

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And the Tea Party caucus again shows why they’re lower than dirt.

55 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:56:46pm

re: #49 ProTARDISLiberal

No, just not able to post.

It isn’t just LGF.

I notice major slowdowns on TPM, Twitter, and Tumblr.

nsa monitor in charge of social media sampling furloughed today because of govt shutdown and not there to turn down sampling rate ///

56 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:57:11pm

re: #53 darthstar

Another Obomobot who hates Amercia. ///

57 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:57:22pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

But the usual suspects are busy blaming Obama and calling him a veterans hater:

58 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:57:34pm

What we have here is a failure of one machine to communicate with another machine.

Computers, how do they work?

59 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 4:59:46pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Ah my bad. Palin’s still an idiot though.

Who could tell? It sure fooled me.

60 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:02:38pm

re: #41 lawhawk

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Something appears to have gone down at Tampa’s Intl Airport. Arrests made, terminal evacuated; people have been put up at nearby hotels.

I think that’s Jacksonville. This guy was on one of the planes.

61 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:07:37pm

re: #57 lawhawk

But the usual suspects are busy blaming Obama and calling him a veterans hater:

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Yeah well that woman is one of those people who’d believe Obama was behind 9/11 if Beck, Limbaugh, etc convinced her of it. That’s just pathetic when it’s the GOP who has shown they have contempt for our veterans with their actions rather than some fantasy idea about Obama despising them.

62 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:07:42pm

getting this error sometimes on trying to access lgf:

MDB2 Error: syntax error

but of course it could be a misleading message which is merely a result of something further up the line

63 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:07:51pm

LGF dropping in and on me. Almost as bad as Shutdown. I haz a sad.

64 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:09:24pm

re: #59 Skip Intro

Who could tell? It sure fooled me.

Yeah, like this: Typical, talking about killing, and a rant against the Bull Moose Party.

65 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:09:26pm

*SIGHS*
I’m gonna go watch TV.

66 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:12:38pm

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, like this: Typical, talking about killing, and a rant against the Bull Moose Party.

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Well plus the name isn’t really outlandish and the real SP has said even more outlandish shit on her twitter and FB.

67 simoom  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:14:57pm

They’re also apparently trying to turn the internet “into a means of control, monitoring and oppression”. /

reddit.com

GG: “If you allow the NSA to run rampant over the internet and turn it into a means of control, monitoring and oppression, it will affect everyone.”

68 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:18:36pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Well plus the name isn’t really outlandish and the real SP has said even more outlandish shit on her twitter and FB.

That is the real thang. Her real Twitter acct.

69 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:20:26pm

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

She wants to bash Teddy Roosevelt?

What an evil twit. That man was awesome. Hes was more a man than her husband will ever be, and actually knew how to hunt, and not only that, understood the need for conservation.

70 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:21:28pm

Doesn’t matter; it’s still an exercise in futility.


Futile, thy name is Republican.

71 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:21:46pm

re: #68 Justanotherhuman

That is the real thang. Her real Twitter acct.

Wait, I thought that was the same Twitter feed we saw linked in DS’s post 19. Or is there something I’m missing here? I am I admit tired and not on any caffeine.

72 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:23:32pm

re: #69 ProTARDISLiberal

She wants to bash Teddy Roosevelt?

What an evil twit. That man was awesome. Hes was more a man than her husband will ever be, and actually knew how to hunt, and not only that, understood the need for conservation.

Not only an evil twit but a stupid twit since those Progressives she mocks are a large reason why she’s able to vote. to put it simply if the conservatives of that age had their way, Sarah wouldn’t have made it beyond Mrs. Todd Palin.

73 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:28:06pm

More on the JAX airport situation.

Hundreds evacuated from Jacksonville International Airport after suspicious packages found

Read more at Jacksonville.com: jacksonville.com

74 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:31:36pm

Hoo Boy. One of my best friends just lost her mind on Facebook because her son, who works in some capacity for NASA, was put on furlough today.
I know it’s coming, The Black Guy is gonna get blamed for this any minute now. She’s blaming both sides, etc, etc. Don’t Trust the Government, blah, blah. I swear if she posts an infowars link I’m defriending her.

Sigh. I wish people would fucking read actual sources instead of listening to the damned radio and crap on Facebook.

75 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:34:52pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Charles! Wierd error message!
15 wrenchwench Tue, Oct 1, 2013 1:55:22pm

11MDB2 Error: syntax error

“Control C” also let me copy pasta all 79 comments.

From the last thread. Oh, and I haven’t seen the spinning wheel of death in ages.
Thanks, Charles!!!

76 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:35:48pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Wait, I thought that was the same Twitter feed we saw linked in DS’s post 19. Or is there something I’m missing here? I am I admit tired and not on any caffeine.

No, it’s the real SP acct I linked; not the earlier one. They just look alike, but if you look at each, you can see the difference.

77 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:37:11pm
WASHINGTON — Congressional Republicans moved forward Tuesday with a piecemeal approach to fund popular parts of the federal government to lessen the impact of the first government shutdown in 17 years.

I’m sorry bitches, but no. Government isn’t a salad bar, you don’t get to load up on cheese and bacon bits while ignoring your vegetables.

78 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:37:17pm

Laura Ingraham thinks veterans being upset about being denied their benefits are sob stories. Must be nice to be a brat like Laura. Our veterans risk their lives for our country and Laura thinks them wanting their benefits is a sob story but it’s President Obama and the left who hate our veterans and don’t respect their sacrifices.

79 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:40:37pm

re: #76 Justanotherhuman

No, it’s the real SP acct I linked; not the earlier one. They just look alike, but if you look at each, you can see the difference.

Okay, tell me if I’m right here but the real one seems to have a more close up of her while the fake is more zoomed out?

80 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:42:00pm

Hahaha!

Sarah PaIin @SarahPaIinUSA
Remember that one time I shut down the government when I was tripping on shrooms in the mountains? That shit was off the chain. #tcot
about 11 hours ago

(This is the parody acct! Although it’s been reported she did snort coke off a steel oil barrel while on a “snow machine” trip w/Toad and his buddies.)

81 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:42:21pm

Here’s a fully functional Apache:

82 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:45:20pm

Image: h261BD1A7.jpg

Later, lizards.

83 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:50:55pm

re: #74 A Mom Anon

Sigh. I wish people would fucking read actual sources instead of listening to the damned radio and crap on Facebook.

Luckily, my facebook feed is (for the most part) derp-free. In fact, one person on my list probably summed up this whole mess better than anyone else:

The statue of liberty is closed down indefinitely because Republicans didn’t get their way. I can’t think of a better metaphor for what is wrong with America than that.

84 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:51:18pm

The proof gods have smiled upon me and I may be able to finish the homework tonight.

Except that requires staying awake to do so.

85 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:52:46pm

re: #84 klys

The proof gods have smiled upon me and I may be able to finish the homework tonight.

Except that requires staying awake to do so.

So, you’re gonna get up early, do your laundry, study for the test….
///

86 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:53:05pm

re: #74 A Mom Anon

Hoo Boy. One of my best friends just lost her mind on Facebook because her son, who works in some capacity for NASA, was put on furlough today.
I know it’s coming, The Black Guy is gonna get blamed for this any minute now. She’s blaming both sides, etc, etc. Don’t Trust the Government, blah, blah. I swear if she posts an infowars link I’m defriending her.

Sigh. I wish people would fucking read actual sources instead of listening to the damned radio and crap on Facebook.

The comments I’m seeing on FB are mainly “WTF GOP?!?” and “Go Pirates!”

87 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:54:20pm

re: #49 ProTARDISLiberal

No, just not able to post.

It isn’t just LGF.

I notice major slowdowns on TPM, Twitter, and Tumblr.

Obamacare has broke the Intertubes!!1!

88 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:56:00pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

I’m sorry bitches, but no. Government isn’t a salad bar, you don’t get to load up on cheese and bacon bits while ignoring your vegetables.

The Prez agrees:

politico.com

89 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:56:23pm

re: #83 Interesting Times

Luckily, my facebook feed is (for the most part) derp-free. In fact, one person on my list probably summed up this whole sorry mess better than anyone else:

One of my College classmates said, “Government shutdown, big yawn. Anyone actually affected by it?”, even though a mutual friend posted he’s been furloughed.

I suggested if he were a veteran needing help, or a working mom with a hungry kid who depends on WIC, he might feel differently.

90 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 5:58:10pm

And now the tweets of those I am following are duplicating.

91 piratedan  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:01:26pm

re: #89 GeneJockey

One of my College classmates said, “Government shutdown, big yawn. Anyone actually affected by it?”, even though a mutual friend posted he’s been furloughed.

I suggested if he were a veteran needing help, or a working mom with a hungry kid who depends on WIC, he might feel differently.

Potential Republican right there, can’t get far enough outside their own personal bubble to have any understanding on how life can be and often is different for someone not them. Then again, while social media brings us together in many ways, it also distances us in others. It’s all just news until it happens to you, THEN it’s a tragedy.

92 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:02:46pm

House GOP Fails To Pass Partial Government Funding Bills… 3 times

House Republicans on Tuesday evening failed to muster the two-thirds majority needed to pass a series of three partial government finding bills.

The three bills — to fund veterans benefits, national parks and the District of Columbia — were designed to increase pressure on Senate Democrats to resolve the government shutdown by making them take politically uncomfortable votes against funding popular government services

…

The failure of the three measures is an ironic twist in Congress’s struggle with funding the government. The votes were designed as a trap for Democrats. House Republicans decided in a closed-door meeting on Tuesday afternoon that they would try to fund the government through piecemeal continuing resolutions.

After the vote, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) told TPM that House GOP leadership knew the bills were going to fail.

“We were told that that’s what they were going to do,” Cantor said. “To employ some sort of scorched-earth strategy.”

93 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:04:20pm

re: #92 Kragar

House GOP Fails To Pass Partial Government Funding Bills… 3 times

Next up, funding for keeping kittens alive, and to not shoot a cute dog.

94 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:04:28pm

re: #91 piratedan

Potential Republican right there, can’t get far enough outside their own personal bubble to have any understanding on how life can be and often is different for someone not them. Then again, while social media brings us together in many ways, it also distances us in others. It’s all just news until it happens to you, THEN it’s a tragedy.

The GOP is making this old joke the starting point for all their domestic and foreign policy:

“If you lose you job, its a recession. If I lose my job, its a depression”

95 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:11:07pm

Hmmm… comments getting chewed. Have to reload to see new comments for the spinning hamster of death.

The GOP puts up 3 attempts to fund even part of the government - the parts that people see as most visible, and they couldn’t even pass in the House.

That’s on the GOP. Can’t blame anyone else on that.

They thought they’d go apocalyptic on the Democrats with that, but they’ve got themselves against the cliff, and they’ve got no where to go but down. And they’re going to take everyone with them.

96 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:21:26pm

re: #19 darthstar

Oh for fuck’s sake this woman is something…

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PREY on school!

How can anyone take a person seriously on political matters when that person can’t even write a coherent sentence?

97 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:21:39pm

re: #85 GeneJockey

So, you’re gonna get up early, do your laundry, study for the test….
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It’s not due until Friday. I may watch some of North America, which just came in on Blu-ray.

I do love my nature documentaries.

98 Weet  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:24:25pm

Good news! I received a call from Wendy Davis’s campaign inviting me to a get-together Thursday evening.

I wonder if it’s possible to get a majority to vote for Wendy for Governor in 2014?

99 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:28:03pm

Non-Essential: Iraqi And Afghan Interpreters Abandoned Amid Government Shutdown

Lost amid the frenzy over the federal government’s shutdown, Iraqis and Afghans who helped Americans at great risk are being left to their fates as an extension and reform of the program that would have given them the chance to seek a new life in America expired along with the government’s funding.

100 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:29:02pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

How can anyone take a person seriously on political matters when that person can’t even write a coherent sentence?

Although it turns out that is a parody account, some of us have been asking the same question regarding Palin since, oh, her nomination as the Republican VP in 2008.

She did prompt my first and only donation to a candidate campaign though. (It was not hers.)

101 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:30:58pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

How can anyone take a person seriously on political matters when that person can’t even write a coherent sentence?

The GOP took her seriously enough to nominate her for VP.

102 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:34:48pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

How can anyone take a person seriously on political matters when that person can’t even write a coherent sentence?

I don’t know heh. Ask McCain and his advisers. They thought she was good enough to be VP.

103 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:38:58pm

re: #101 Lidane

The GOP took her seriously enough to nominate her for VP.

And look at them now.

104 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:39:21pm

re: #99 Kragar

Non-Essential: Iraqi And Afghan Interpreters Abandoned Amid Government Shutdown

That’s the Republican way of saying I appreciate what you did by screwing people over. They did the same crap to the 9/11 first responders because they were afraid that some of the first responders who are illegal aliens may receive some benefits. Yeah, thanks for risking your life on 9/11 but you’re an illegal alien so fuck you all.

105 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:40:18pm

Mailboxes drip like lamp posts

in the twisted birth canal of the coliseum

Rimjob fairy teapots mask the temper tantrum

Oh Say Can You See ‘em

Youtube Video

106 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:48:45pm

Instadouche was flapping his pie hole again:

107 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:48:46pm
Something odd happening at the web server, folks - we’re working on it.
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

Charles, I’m telling you, it’s the gonkulators again. They really need to be totally refribbed, but maybe you can get by for now with just a hansing realignment.

RBS

108 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:50:40pm

re: #107 RealityBasedSteve

Charles, I’m telling you, it’s the gonkulators again. They really need to be totally refribbed, but maybe you can get by for now with just a hansing realignment.

RBS

So…
kick it?

109 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:51:22pm

re: #106 Lidane

Instadouche was flapping his pie hole again:

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Aww is someone throwing a tantrum over the fact that ACA is still going to be law? Someone get Glenn a bib because he’s got shit all over himself.

110 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:54:52pm

how often do we hear ‘Obama’s a racist meanie’ followed by racial epithets and stereotypes directed the president and first lady’s way.

112 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 6:58:23pm

So, I left the browser (Chrome) open to the last LGF page I was on and ran an errand. I came back and my computer told me it had to shut down/restart because of a problem. I checked the report and I “think” it said something regarding security and quarantine.

Just checking in.

Also, this page doesn’t have the buttons that allow me to “italic” and such.

113 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:00:45pm

and OMG, it is reloading s-l-o-w-l-y

114 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:01:57pm

re: #111 Varek Raith

Sean Hannity Wonders If New Obamacare Website Tech Glitches Will Delay Ambulances

…

Okay, I’m convinced now. These guys are willingly obtuse because their bosses want to sell the viewers misinformation. Hannity is a pathetic dumbass but he’s not that dumb is he?

115 Stanley Sea  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:04:55pm

I hate to say this Charles, as I’m not a subscriber yet. $ issues etc., blah blah blah.

But I think the prob may have something to do with the ads loading. 3 load when I sign in, and one pops up whenever I click anything.

116 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:07:22pm

WTFITS

117 Stanley Sea  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:07:59pm
118 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:10:27pm

re: #116 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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This is why I think they’re willfully obtuse. He of all people knows that national parks and monuments close during a shutodwn but he’s banking on the idiots who read his feed don’t. This is pathetic even for one of the most pathetic sobs ever.

119 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:11:19pm

re: #116 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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Hard to close a memorial that is basically a concrete park.

120 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:12:19pm

I’m convinced more than ever that these right wing assholes are literally paid to spread misinformation and outright lies. I’m supposed to believe that Hannity actually thinks that the ACA website having problems means ambulances won’t come from your emergency. That the man who shut down the government in the 90’s doesn’t know that all national parks and monuments get shutdown? This isn’t ignorance. This is something more sinister.

121 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:13:22pm

The RWNJs should love it, then, given their teenage crush on Putin:

122 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:14:49pm

re: #121 Lidane

The RWNJs should love it, then, given their teenage crush on Putin:

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Yeah me not getting denied coverage because of my heart condition is just like a regime that murdered millions of people. Keep on telling yourself that Limbaugh, you miserable troll.

123 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:15:34pm

Jeannie is so lame, she couldn’t even get a jrrb writing jokes for Rob Schneider.

124 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:16:54pm

re: #116 Vicious Babushka

125 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:17:09pm

Also too: so disgusted with these fucking morons who keep repeating HURR HURR OBAMACARE IS JUST LIKE SLAVERY

126 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:19:05pm
127 jaunte  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:22:34pm
@hotairblog: It begins: First Obamacare security breach leaks 2,400 Americans’ info hotair.com

They’re trying real hard to magnify the glitches.
This is another something coulda’ happened, but then… it didn’t
story.

128 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:22:35pm
129 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:24:14pm

re: #123 Vicious Babushka

Jeannie is so lame, she couldn’t even get a jrrb writing jokes for Rob Schneider.

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How is that projection working out for her?

130 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:28:19pm

*headdesk*

131 alpuz  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:30:14pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

What the hell took you so long?

132 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:33:59pm

re: #130 Lidane

*headdesk*

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Oh man, this is among the most stupid and we’ve heard all sorts of stupid about this issue.

133 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:34:41pm

re: #131 alpuz

What the hell took you so long?

Hah good point but it’s I guess beoming more and more obvious that their whole intent is to spread lies.

134 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:35:18pm

re: #130 Lidane

*headdesk*

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Everyone knows you’re not a real Republican Congressman till you’ve voted against healthcare at least once.

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135 Carlos Danger  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:35:46pm

It’s Gingrich. Shutdowns are like Viagra for him.

136 sagehen  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:36:56pm

re: #99 Kragar

Non-Essential: Iraqi And Afghan Interpreters Abandoned Amid Government Shutdown

And there’s no way word of that is going to get around, it can’t possibly make it difficult for us to get local interpreters and guides the next place we go to war. Because everybody else has just as short a memory as our teabagger congress.

137 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:38:58pm

re: #135 Carlos Danger

It’s Gingrich. Shutdowns are like Viagra for him.

Gingrich’s advice to the current crop of GOP congressmen:

“Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.”

138 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:41:00pm
139 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:42:33pm

re: #138 Lidane

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IF Trent Lott thinks you’re too partisan, you’ve got serious issues.

140 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:45:04pm

So Cantor is trying to say the GOP’s failure to pass even their own bills in the House which they know wouldn’t make it thru the Senate or past the White House is part of a cunning plan.

Please proceed.

141 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:46:45pm

re: #140 Kragar

So Cantor is trying to say the GOP’s failure to pass even their own bills in the House which they know wouldn’t make it thru the Senate or past the White House is part of a cunning plan.

Please proceed.

Useful idiot.

142 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:48:51pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Useful idiot.

Half right.

143 Stanley Sea  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 7:58:12pm

The best part of reading this asshole of the day tweet is all the responses to it.

144 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:01:42pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

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The best part of reading this asshole of the day tweet is all the responses to it.

Yeah because no one who criticizes Dana Perino’s idiocy has ever spent a cheritable day in their life. Keep on telling yourself that you’re awesome to make yourself feel better Dana and that they’re just haters. Some of us don’t like your ideology hijacking America because you can’t handle ACA being law.

145 darthstar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:15:41pm
146 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:15:47pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

IF Trent Lott thinks you’re too partisan, you’ve got serious issues.

Clearly Trent Lott’s hero Strom Thurmond knew when he was beaten what with how he handed over his sword at Appomattox a few years after bravery firing the first shots at Fort Sumpter.

147 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:22:11pm

Is this thing working? Is this thing on?
Link

148 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:25:20pm

re: #146 jamesfirecat

Clearly Trent Lott’s hero Strom Thurmond knew when he was beaten what with how he handed over his sword at Appomattox a few years after bravery firing the first shots at Fort Sumpter.

Ha, indeed.

149 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:26:17pm

re: #145 darthstar

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Well this is what differentiates me from a TPer, I am glad that this guy is able to get the help he needs. I do hope he comes to realize he was wrong but even if not, the program exists for people like that.

150 Carlos Danger  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:26:23pm

The hamsters are Going Galt

151 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:27:28pm

Raise the Jolly Roger!

Bucs headed to St Louis!

(Pittsburgh beats Cincinnati 6-2 in wild card playoff)

152 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:29:19pm

re: #151 Feline Fearless Leader

Raise the Jolly Roger!

Bucs headed to St Louis!

(Pittsburgh beats Cincinnati 6-2 in wild card playoff)

Alright! Pulling hard for them since the Orioles missed out. I’m hoping for an Oakland-Pittsburgh WS.

153 Carlos Danger  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:29:41pm

isthegovernmentopen.com

154 sagehen  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:31:15pm

Breaking Dead and Walking Bad:

Youtube Video

155 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:38:04pm
156 jaunte  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:52:00pm
157 jaunte  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:54:41pm

Heh. Top crazy over-reaction to WW2 Memorial story:

158 Lidane  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:55:50pm
159 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:01:26pm

re: #158 Lidane

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COMMUNISM!
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160 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:04:38pm

Rachel Maddow mocks Republicans: Nobody learned anything from Eastwood’s empty chair speech

Displaying a picture of House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and seven GOP colleagues sitting opposite empty chairs in a conference room, Maddow cracked, “Nobody learned anything from the Republican National Convention last year.”

Cantor posted the picture to supposedly illustrate his party’s willingness to attend a congressional committee session with Democrats Monday night in hopes of averting the shuttering of government offices, a gesture that was rejected.

But Maddow pointed out that Senate Budget Committee Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) has been rebuffed by GOP lawmakers 18 times over the past six months when seeking to convene the same kind of meeting.

“Debating with an empty chair is hilarious, until the time when you are debating with an empty chair and you are losing the debate,” Maddow chided.

161 jaunte  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:12:37pm

What a DISGRACE had anyone been arrested….

162 jaunte  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:25:21pm

The Theology of Government Shutdown: Christian Dominionism

In the months building up to the present showdown, [Ted’s father, Rafael Cruz] has been giving speeches at Tea Party rallies and other religious right gatherings as part of a campaign to defund Obamacare.
…..
Rafael Cruz: “….Socialism requires that government becomes your God. That’s why they have to destroy your concept of God. They have to destroy all your loyalties except loyalty to the government…..”
Youtube Video

163 jaunte  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:32:42pm

Another contender.

164 jaunte  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:39:52pm
165 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:54:29pm

re: #163 jaunte

166 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:55:23pm

re: #157 jaunte

Oh look, a useless person whining.

167 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:10:31pm

Who needs healthcare when you can wave a flag?

168 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:17:19pm

re: #163 jaunte

Another contender.

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Yes, Reince, it’s Harry Reid’s shutdown not your party who wants to deny those same vets their benefits in a shutdown that your party caused because they don’t want ACA. As a grandson of a Korean War veteran, I offer a hearty fuck you to you.

169 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:23:21pm

I’d love to dress as some deranged Uncle Sam for Halloween.

170 Kragar  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:37:55pm

Jon Stewart destroys callous Fox News host: F*ck you for mocking the poor

While Daily Show host Jon Stewart seemed to be in good spirits mocking conservative media’s “no biggie” attitude toward the impact of the government shutdown, he bore down on Fox News Radio host Todd Starnes, who dismissively said Democrats would start getting their “potted meat and Tang and get in [their] survival bunker,” to the amusement of Sean Hannity and other cohorts.

“F*ck you,” Stewart said after a few seconds of mocking faux-laughter. “First of all, Democrats aren’t the ones with survival bunkers — that’s you guys. And second, I know that for you, potted meat and Tang is short-hand for sh*t you wouldn’t possibly imagine eating unless there was a catastrophe, but for the people actually affected by the government shutdown, it’s the sh*t they eat that they can no longer afford.”

Stewart argued that, while many of Starnes’ colleagues took great pains to tell their viewers that they weren’t affected by the curtailing of federal programs instigated by GOP lawmakers, they were purposefully ignoring the very real effects a prolonged shutdown could have on NASA, the Food and Drug Administration, food programs that primarily benefit women and children and the Environmental Protection Agency, among other agencies.

“How bad can it be if it doesn’t personally affect Sean Hannity?” Stewart asked sarcastically. “It’s not like they shut down Smith & Wollensky for private events — that would really be f*cked up. Or closed our nation’s strategic flag-graphic reserves. Or if Roger Ailes implemented a ‘no grunting’ policy in the Fox mens’ room.”

171 freetoken  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:44:41pm

Did the IP address change? Chrome is having a hard time finding the home page.

172 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 10:59:41pm

Well, fuck, this is comforting:

The government shutdown will halt outbreak detection and infectious disease surveillance at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and food facility inspection and monitoring of imports at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Both agencies are part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services which has furloughed 52 percent of staff because of the shutdown.

173 freetoken  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:19:58pm

MP3 Audio

174 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:22:57pm

re: #171 freetoken

Did the IP address change? Chrome is having a hard time finding the home page.

It’s been borked all day.

175 piratedan  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:26:31pm

re: #174 klys

It’s been borked all day.

I suspect it’s been linked to the ACA exchange page in New York ////

176 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:31:00pm

Republicans and Democrats are both bad in the way that ass cancer and acne are both bad. One is genuinely going to fuck you up while the other is just embarrassing.

177 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:33:42pm

I can’t get a single wingnut to answer what concession it is that Democrats are getting that they should have to negotiate for. The only conclusion I can reach is that they’ve decided that just keeping the government running is a concession.

178 klys  Tue, Oct 1, 2013 11:43:23pm

Jon Stewart keeps me sane.

Thanks, Daily Show.

179 Lidane  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 12:10:45am

re: #177 Targetpractice

I can’t get a single wingnut to answer what concession it is that Democrats are getting that they should have to negotiate for. The only conclusion I can reach is that they’ve decided that just keeping the government running is a concession.

Barack Obama is still POTUS. Isn’t that enough of a concession from the GOP?

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180 freetoken  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 12:18:18am

Psalm 73, New American Glibertarian Version:

Psalm 73

A psalm of Asaph, a wholly owned subsidiary of David, Inc.

1 Surely the Corporation is good to America,
to those who are pure in heart.
2 But as for me, my feet had almost slipped;
I had nearly lost my foothold.
3 For I envied Obamacare
when I saw the coverage of the working poor.
4 They have no struggles;
their Obamaphones are shiny and new.
5 They are free from common human burdens;
they are not plagued by human ills.
6 Therefore pride is their necklace;
they clothe themselves with government handouts.
7 From their greedy hearts comes socialism;
their evil imaginations have no limits.
8 They scoff, and speak with ebonics;
with arrogance they threaten white people.
9 Their mouths lay claim to America,
and their tongues take possession of the media.
10 Therefore their people turn to them
and drink up ripple in abundance.
11 They say, “How would the Corporation know?
Do the Incorporated care about anything?”
12 This is what the Obama voters are like —
always getting freebies, they go on amassing food-stamps.
13 Surely in vain I have kept my heart pure
and have balanced my credit cards in innocence.
14 All day long I have been taxed,
and every morning brings new surtaxes.
15 If I had spoken out like that,
I would have betrayed your inheritors.
16 When I tried to understand all this,
it troubled me deeply
17 till I entered the boardroom of the Corporation;
then I understood their final destiny.
18 Surely you place them on compound interest;
you cast them down to bankruptcy.
19 How suddenly are they destroyed,
completely swept away by Government shutdowns!
20 They are like a dream when one awakes;
when you arise, the Incorporated,
you will despise them as fantasies.
21 When my heart was grieved
and my spirit embittered,
22 I was senseless and ignorant;
I was a brute consumer before you.
23 Yet I am always with you;
you hold me by my bank account.
24 You guide me with your legal counsel,
and afterward you will take me into retirement.
25 Whom have I in America but you?
And earth has nothing I desire besides you.
26 My 401k and my IRA may fail,
but the Corporation is the strength of my heart
and my portion forever.
27 Those who are far from you will perish;
you destroy all who are in Unions against you.
28 But as for me, it is good to be near the Corporation.
I have made the Sovereign Corporation my refuge;
I will tell of all your profitable ventures.

181 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 12:29:03am

re: #179 Lidane

Barack Obama is still POTUS. Isn’t that enough of a concession from the GOP?

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Pretty close to the truth. It doesn’t matter that the ACA passed both through both houses of Congress, was signed by the President, was ruled constitutional, and has survived 47 attempts to repeal it. As far as they’re concerned, allowing the law to exist unmolested is a concession on the part of Republicans.

182 piratedan  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 12:58:04am

re: #181 Targetpractice

Pretty close to the truth. It doesn’t matter that the ACA passed both through both houses of Congress, was signed by the President, was ruled constitutional, and has survived 47 attempts to repeal it. As far as they’re concerned, allowing the law to exist unmolested is a concession on the part of Republicans.

well except they still appear to be honor bound to continue to molest it based on their current behavior… still, I want these Nihilsitic bastards to find a different profession rather than tearing down our government and trying to make our country a cross between Bartertown and High Plains Drifter.

183 freetoken  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 12:59:28am

My muse was the reality TV show “Supermarket Superstar”, the final of which just aired:

Spoiler

Local mom wins ‘Supermarket Superstar’ with Smoogy Cookie

184 freetoken  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 1:02:01am

I’m having a very hard time connecting with LGF.

Just did a 100 ping trial, and 45% of them were dropped packets.

185 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 1:11:22am

I have an idea for today that I know Reid wouldn’t take, despite how much damage it would do to the GOP’s position. It’s to get up at the lectern early this morning and declare that if the House GOP goes through with its promise of sending the piecemeal CRs to the Senate, they will each be returned to the House with the rest of the budget tacked on. That they will not allow the GOP to pick and choose which portions of the government it will fund.

Then, to really twist the knife, say that this will be the last time that the Senate sends any “clean” CRs back to the House. That starting today, every time they send a bill to the Senate, any time they vote on anything other than a “clean” CR, Democrats will begin the picking apart of the Sequester and make Senate Republicans vote on whether or not to increase funding for things like cancer research or research into a cure of Alzheimer’s. That if Republicans want to “negotiate,” then it will be on equal terms, not with the scale already heavily weighted in their favor.

186 piratedan  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 1:23:35am

re: #185 Targetpractice

would LOVE to see Harry have the nads to do that, naturally the media will cry foul, because how DARE the Dems return the favor, after all they’re supposed to be the supplicants for some unwritten rule of beltway understanding…. still it would be awesome to watch the cranial explosions

187 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 1:42:39am

Really, the strategy is amazing in its simplicity. The first part, of turning every one of the piecemeal CRs into a “clean” one would neuter the intended tactic of the House GOP, namely to force senate Dems to vote against funding for certain portions of the government. If anything, it becomes a great way to attack the GOP’s assertions that all they want is “fairness,” by asking why is it “fair” to only fund the most visible parts of the shutdown and leave hundreds of thousands without pay in the mean time.

The second part is actually two-fold. It allows Senate Democrats to turn every single bill the House ends them into what Boehner wanted these piecemeal bills to be, painful votes that Senate Republicans will be hard-pressed to explain away to folks back home. It also would, at least it’s my hope, get the press talking again about the sequester and explaining to voters just why it’s a big deal. Why it should be seen as a major concession by Democrats that they’re not quibbling about what was supposed to be cuts so painful that both sides would come to the table to avoid them.

188 simoom  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 1:43:00am

Looks like the GOP has settled on their shutdown distraction street theater:

buzzfeed.com

After a group of veterans broke down the barricades at the national World War II Memorial Tuesday afternoon, organizers of one Hero Flight Network group told BuzzFeed it wasn’t the last Washington would hear from them. Veterans are plotting another protest at the same place Wednesday, and expressed interest in staging similar events at sites across the nation’s capital, including the Lincoln Memorial …

“We have people here that are 80 and 90 years old and they closed down all the bathrooms?” said Tony Nussbaum, a 25-year veteran of the Air Force from Iowa and a leader of the state’s Hero Flight group. “I’m about to just start pissing on the trees.”

…

On Wednesday, the scene could repeat itself when groups from the Honor Flight Network — a national charity that brings aging World War II veterans to visit the national monument to the conflict they fought in — are scheduled to arrive at the massive outdoor memorial. … Wednesday’s rally at the World War II is set to become a political sideshow to the larger shutdown debate, with RNC chair Reince Priebus urging Republicans to show up at the event with American flags to support the veterans and attack Democrats and Obama. Those RNC supporters that show up will find a lot of Republican lawmakers — and at least one Democrat, Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill — at the memorial waiting for them.

…

On Tuesday, Republicans used the World War II memorial event to blame Obama and the Democrats for the shutdown. About a dozen Republican members were on hand, according to [national chair of Honor Flights Network Jim] McLaughlin — including Tea Party favorites like Minnesota’s Michelle Bachmann and Iowa’s Steve King — and he credited them with cutting the tape and moving the mobile fences that kept the public away from the shuttered memorial.

…

Though they publicly shied away from politics, it was the Honor Flight organizers who reached out to the Republican lawmakers in most cases, not the other way around.

“We got on the horn with the King office and he sent an entourage,” said Miller. “Kudos to Steve King. He did us right.”

…

The organizer of the Missouri delegation, Dave Hall of the Franklin County, MO Honor Flight, reached out to Republican Sen. Roy Blunt to join the veterans and got a “maybe.” He didn’t reach out to [Claire] McCaskill, but she’s coming anyway.

189 piratedan  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 1:52:31am

re: #188 simoom

gee, wrapping themselves in the flag, how predictable and whocouldanode that there would be cameras in place to film it all for posterity…..

isn’t it great that they could take a break from the dismemberment of the government to go help out these vets?

next up, Republican legislators helping old ladies across the street after they vote to defund Medicare….

190 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 1:54:58am

re: #189 piratedan

next up, Republican legislators helping pushing old ladies across the street after they vote to defund Medicare….

FTFY.

Sincerely,
An Old Lady

191 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 1:57:32am

re: #188 simoom

Not surprising the rightwing uses old people like they use fetuses.

192 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 2:14:47am

Keeping the goodwill flowing in DC for Fed workers.

Businesses Offer Freebies to Furloughed Federal Workers

nbcwashington.com

For example: “Pork Barrel BBQ is offering all government employees — well, except members of Congress — a free pulled pork sandwich each day of the shutdown. You must have a government ID.”

193 simoom  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 2:16:56am

re: #188 simoom

“We have people here that are 80 and 90 years old and they closed down all the bathrooms?” said Tony Nussbaum, a 25-year veteran of the Air Force from Iowa and a leader of the state’s Hero Flight group. “I’m about to just start pissing on the trees.”

BTW, with all due respect for his service, Tony is illustrating why the memorials are off limits. The security of the memorials and the safety of visitors can’t be guaranteed with most of the staff and nearby basic services (maintenance staff for the bathrooms for example) unavailable. I imagine there’s a liability issue as well if anyone hurts themselves.

194 simoom  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 2:54:19am

I haven’t read this yet, but it looks interesting. Mint News Press was behind that story a little while back, that the Syrian rebels mistakenly gassed themselves w/ Saudi munitions. Even though no one had ever heard of Mint News, it was heavily promoted based on the pedigree of it’s Associated Press affiliated author:

195 freetoken  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:56:18am

The poor hamsters must be strung out by now.

Fortunately, there is a Debussy for that:

MP3 Audio

196 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:23:46am

New York’s health insurance exchange website received more than 10 million hits on its opening day - @WSJ

1 hour ago from online.wsj.com by editor

197 freetoken  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:29:04am

re: #196 Justanotherhuman

Clearly a sign of communist oppression.

198 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:29:28am

re: #145 darthstar

I suspect he won’t be the only one. People are forgetting, they may have insurance now via work, but if that job goes away, they have a backup that won’t kill their finances.

199 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:31:39am

Hey Dumbass, you will need it to apply for unemployment when the “Jrrb Creeyaters” decide that your JRRB is “non-essential”!

200 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:33:36am

Hey Bryan you know what really caused Chernobyl?The lack of government oversight and regulations of environmental issues, you know, like the EPA you are so eager to abolish.
Fracking asshole.

201 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:38:03am
202 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:14:05am
203 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:14:46am

Glenn is all butthurt that the Shutdown and Obamacare is taking away his spotlight.

204 darthstar  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:41:16am

Mornin’ everyone. Actually woke up early enough to catch a bit of Morning Joke today and got to hear this little gem, which I paraphrased.

205 b.d.  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:45:10am

re: #204 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone. Actually woke up early enough to catch a bit of Morning Joke today and got to hear this little gem, which I paraphrased.

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Listened to them on Sat. Radio coming in and heard Joe lead off his 7:00 CT show by sying that the Dems should have voted for the piece meal vote last night and now they look bad.

Oy!

206 darthstar  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:45:32am

It’s not his party they reject…racist fucks.

207 darthstar  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:50:44am

re: #205 b.d.

Listened to them on Sat. Radio coming in and heard Joe lead off his 7:00 CT show by sying that the Dems should have voted for the piece meal vote last night and now they look bad.

Oy!

In other words, cave. Joe has given this as much thought as the rest of the GOP has.

208 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:56:32am
209 kerFuFFler  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:01:54am

re: #116 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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The focus on WWII veterans not being able to visit the memorial (legally) is so aggravating.

My dad is a 91 year old WWII and Korean War veteran and is having to worry about whether his pension and social security will get paid and if his tri-care health coverage will be operational. He worries that payments might not be merely delayed but skipped over entirely. We try to reassure him but he is really worried.

It is fucking cruel to be causing him this fear so unnecessarily! And he is one of the lucky ones. So many people ARE being hurt by the shutdown as we “speak”.

210 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:02:04am

re: #206 darthstar

It’s not his party they reject…racist fucks.

30-40 Republicans won’t admit the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency]

Without a basic consensus on government, democracy and free elections, our nation will become ungovernable. What we have seen is the lunatic fringe moving in and gumming up the works.

211 darthstar  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:03:50am

Great article/interview with Ezra Klein and Robert Costa about Boehner and the Republicans and just how fucked in the head they really are (though don’t say that out loud).

Boehner got so burned by the fiscal cliff that he’s been defanged. There’s no talk now about mounting a coup against him because he never goes against the right. The other candidates you hear about, like Tom Cole or Paul Ryan or Eric Cantor or Kevin McCarthy, you don’t hear them clamoring for the job, because they’d have to handle the same situation.

washingtonpost.com

212 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:15:02am

re: #202 Vicious Babushka

213 darthstar  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:21:15am

re: #210 Sol Berdinowitz

Without a basic consensus on government, democracy and free elections, our nation will become ungovernable. What we have seen is the lunatic fringe moving in and gumming up the works.

More from that WaPo article I linked above:

And so many of these members now live in the conservative world of talk radio and tea party conventions and Fox News invitations. And so the conservative strategy of the moment, no matter how unrealistic it might be, catches fire. The members begin to believe they can achieve things in divided government that most objective observers would believe is impossible.

They live in a bubble of talk radio and Fox News - once they work themselves up into a lather and start to believe “everyone” in their world agrees with them, there’s no convincing them otherwise.

I just heard Tom Hulskamp(sp?) Tim Huelskamp of Kansas saying “most Americans aren’t affected by the shutdown” as he referred to the isolated cluster of white people who live in his tiny district. Most Americans!

214 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:29:09am

lolwut

215 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:34:03am

Dumbass: nobody is going to “negotiate” with you about that bag of kittehs you’re drowning.

217 darthstar  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:36:27am

Washington Post Editorial Board drops the MBF:

Speaker John Boehner, Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Budget Committee chairman and former vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan and their colleagues may be in a difficult political position. Honestly, we don’t much care. They need to reopen the government and let it pay its bills.

218 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:38:07am

Let’s put it this way. Would the Republicans allow the Democrats to refund/repeal/sabotage a settled law that has both been signed by POTUS and affirmed by the USSC? No, they wouldn’t and the American people would agree with that. There’s a reason even though ACA support isn’t the same as those who blame Congress. You don’t have to like ACA to know that shutting down the government over ACA being implemented is a shit move.

219 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:40:18am

Oh how awful, Big Ag can’t get their $BILLIONS of farm subsidies!

220 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:41:39am

We literally had a Republican last night complaining that there weren’t enough Republicans to reject ACA in 2009. Uh, yeah that’s because the people voted a Democratic House in 2006. These 20-30 in the House that Pete King talks about not only hate the president because of his race, they think that this should be a one party state where the Republicans can do whatever the hell they want.

221 Gus  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:44:08am

Another day in the banana republic.

222 darthstar  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:44:45am
223 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:46:33am

re: #206 darthstar

It’s not his party they reject…racist fucks.

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Look at it this way, between this and how they handled relief in his district, maybe King will wake up to the fact that his party is run by a bunch of wackos. Truly insane that Peter King and his Muslim profiling ass is what passes for a sane Republican these days.

224 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:46:40am

Morning Lizards.

225 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:46:40am

re: #206 darthstar

Brought to you by the ideological heirs of those who refused to recognize the legitimacy of the Lincoln presidency.

Where’s General Sherman when you need him?

226 Carlos Danger  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:50:13am

re: #225 Ian G.

Brought to you by the ideological heirs of those who refused to recognize the legitimacy of the Lincoln presidency.

Where’s General Sherman when you need him?

Andrew Sullivan is pretty damn nutty, but he sure picked out a apropos quote from Lincoln today:

What is our present condition? We have just carried an election on principles fairly stated to the people. Now we are told in advance, the government shall be broken up, unless we surrender to those we have beaten, before we take the offices. In this they are either attempting to play upon us, or they are in dead earnest. Either way, if we surrender, it is the end of us, and of the government. They will repeat the experiment upon us ad libitum.

Either we live with settled law, or we don’t. It is one of the fundamental pillars of civil society.

227 darthstar  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:53:42am

Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike!

228 Carlos Danger  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:57:01am

New CNN poll:

By a 51% to 43% margin, the public said it is more important to raise the debt ceiling than to delay Obamacare.
A larger majority, 64% to 27%, in a Quinnipiac University survey released Tuesday said they opposed blocking an increase in the debt ceiling as a way to dismantle the health care law.
If the debt ceiling is not raised, just over half of those questioned in the CNN poll, 53%, said congressional Republicans would be more responsible rather than Obama, with 31% pointing more fingers at the president.

They have literally hit the Crazification Factor.

229 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:57:17am

re: #221 Gus

Another day in the banana republic.

Speaking of bananas …

230 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:58:31am

The Queen has a plan.

231 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:00:07am

re: #228 Carlos Danger

New CNN poll:

They have literally lit the Crazification Factor.

There’s always that number of around 31% that is fundamentally opposed to anything the President supports. I think if 9/11 had happened on Obama’s watch, many of them would literally side with OBL and AQ over Obama. Hate to resort to hyperbole but there is a vocal minority of people in this country who want the government to fail under Obama because their hatred of him matters more than the country doing well and unfortunately for America it’s these 31% that the Republicans pander to to win their primaries and later GEs.

232 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:02:08am

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Queen has a plan.

Given the mass hatred for Obama, I’d bet you that we’d see many “patriots” who claim themselves as the heirs to the revolution embracing that.

233 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:02:38am

GOP: I will remove one kitteh from the bag and you get to vote on whether or not you want to save each individual kitteh from drowning.

DEMS: STEP AWAY FROM THE BAG OF KITTEHS!!

GOP: EVIL HEARTLESS DEMOCRATZ REFUSE TO EVEN VOTE TO SAVE ONE POOR HELPLESS KITTEH!!!11!!!!

WINGNUTS: CRUEL HEARTLESS OBAMA REFUSES TO SAVE EVEN ONE POOR HELPLESS KITTEH!!11!! RETWEAT EVERYWEAR!!!1!!!!!

PRUDENCE: TWEEPS GOOOOO VIIIIIIRRRRAAAALLLLL!!!11!!!!!!!

234 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:03:32am

re: #232 HappyWarrior

Given the mass hatred for Obama, I’d bet you that we’d see many “patriots” who claim themselves as the heirs to the revolution embracing that.

Except they would rather join the Russian Federation, because that leader is a REAL MANLY MAN.

235 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:04:41am

re: #233 Vicious Babushka

GOP: I will remove one kitteh from the bag and you get to vote on whether or not you want to save each individual kitteh from drowning.

DEMS: STEP AWAY FROM THE BAG OF KITTEHS!!

GOP: EVIL HEARTLESS DEMOCRATZ REFUSE TO EVEN VOTE TO SAVE ONE POOR HELPLESS KITTEH!!!11!!!!

WINGNUTS: CRUEL HEARTLESS OBAMA REFUSES TO SAVE EVEN ONE POOR HELPLESS KITTEH!!11!! RETWEET EVERYWEAR!!!1!!!!!

Soon they will get their comeuppance. They will be dipped in tuna oil and staked out for the kittehs to lick with their raspy tongues.
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236 Gus  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:05:24am

OK, had to refresh several times now. Later.

237 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:08:08am

re: #234 Vicious Babushka

Except they would rather join the Russian Federation, because that leader is a REAL MANLY MAN.

And hates gay as much as they do.

238 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:09:18am

Is Steve Stockman’s intern getting paid to Tweet this shit? SHUTDOWN.

239 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:11:03am

Just called the bank to balance my checkbook. Advised that SS check was there and waiting to be posted at midnight tonight, just as it usually is, by direct deposit.

So, if your parent or anyone questions whether or not SS checks are on time—yes (at least if it’s due on the 3rd, as mine is). I expect it will be the case no matter what time of the month it’s received.

240 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:12:41am

All right. It sorta looks like Charles may have got things running again. I hope he hasn’t pulled his hair out.

I use LGF for news anymore. It’s much better than listening to TV talkin’-heads. You sort of get a pre-filter as to what a link is going to be about so you know the slant going in. Then you can judge if you’ve heard that one before or not and if you want to read/listen/watch.

So, yesterday afternoon and evening I was disconnected from the world. Which is not necessarily a bad thing in crazy times like right now.

And as far as Morning Joke…Scarborough is a putz. He is pissed because the Dems won’t now meet with the Republican committee. Hello…where were the meetings for the last year on budgets, etc.? He acknowledges that the Republicans are looking real bad and it is their fault. I guess he thinks the Dems should toss them a life jacket.

I hope they drown. They put the hole in the boat. They shot the crew. So, pay the price.

241 piratedan  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:13:22am

re: #238 Vicious Babushka

Steve must have a True Believer on his staff or a relative of Roger Ailes…..they’ve got that kernel of truth thing down.

242 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:16:40am

The Republicans and their surrogates seem to think the American people should just look the other way as the fuck our country over. I hope hope hope that the American people finally collectively realize what a shit sandwich this GOP led House has been and force Boehner and Cantor to minority status like they rightfully have earned/deserve. These guys are nothing but the Tea Party’s puppetmasters. No spines, just cowardly bs.

243 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:16:49am
244 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:17:00am

re: #241 piratedan

Steve must have a True Believer on his staff or a relative of Roger Ailes…..they’ve got that kernel of truth thing down.

It all so fair and balanced.

245 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:18:56am

re: #243 Vicious Babushka

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Wouldn’t shock me in the slightest. King’s naive if he thinks it’s just party though that is behind their hatred for him. I think he knows better but I don’t expect a sitting Republican Congressman to go out on TV and call his colleagues racist pricks.

246 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:19:54am

re: #240 ObserverArt

Sen.Patty Murray(D-WA) has said that there were EIGHTEEN requests for conference on this crap in the months before the shutdown and Boehner refused to send so much as one GOP rep to those conferences.

There’s also been talk that they planned this all along going up to the last minute so they could use it as leverage. Now that they’ve thrown their own staffers under the bus regarding pay, maybe some of them will start talking about this behind the scenes crap.

247 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:20:33am
248 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:22:23am

From the minute Obama was nominated for president by the Democratic Party in August 2008, he has inspired hatred. Not for anything he’s actually done or even believes but for who he is. There are so many right wing Americans who see Obama and his family hence their hatred for Michelle and the whole fam as their proof of America’s decline. That we elected a biracial son of a Kenyan immigrant president and his wife who is the descendant of slaves. He’s also very well educated having gone to Columbia and Harvard. And just as bad to some of them, he’s from Chicago. It’s funny also since alot of them ask “Who is Barack Obama and why didnt we vet him”. Well I’d ask who the fuck are these guys and why were they elected to any position other than town drunk.

249 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:25:24am

Hmm. Maybe they won’t have to grow so many cabbages if they weigh 50 lbs each. And glow in the dark rice could have an edgy appeal, I suppose. : )

Popular fast-food chain to grow food 60 miles from Fukushima plant

worldnews.nbcnews.com

“The leaks prompted many consumers to shun products from Fukushima prefecture, which was once well-known for its fruit, mushrooms and vegetables.

“The crops will be grown in Shirakawa, to the south-west of the plant, the company said. Yoshinoya said it would ensure that the vegetables were safe.

(snip)

“Japan applies strict food monitoring and says that any products allowed on the market are safe. Despite these assurances, public fears have led to a drop in price for Fukushima produce and huge losses for farmers.”

250 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:25:36am

LGF check. Is this thing on?

251 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:28:37am

LGF is clearly having issues - spinning hamsters issue once again.

Is the shutdown affecting people?

Absolutely. The shutdown is affecting the search for a missing woman at Craters of the Moon national monument in Idaho since NPS workers have been furloughed and can’t be used to go and look for the woman.


Thanks GOP. That’s on you.

252 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:32:10am

re: #251 lawhawk

LGF is clearly having issues - spinning hamsters issue once again.

Is the shutdown affecting people?

Absolutely. The shutdown is affecting the search for a missing woman at Craters of the Moon national monument in Idaho since NPS workers have been furloughed and can’t be used to go and look for the woman.

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Thanks GOP. That’s on you.

See this is why I think trickle down economics is an accurate title- since it’s the elites pissing on the rest of us from the top down and if we’re lucky we may get some of their piss on. Sorry to describe it so crassly but this just sucks. This whole fucking shutdown is because you have a good amount in the GOP House caucus who refuse to accept that ACA is law and they think shutting down the government is somehow a solution. I’m of the thought that one doesn’t have to support ACA or President Obama to see how childish that is and I’m hoping that come next year’s midterms enough people agree to remove a lot of these obstructions whose sole purpose in their eyes is to obstruct President Obama.

253 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:32:29am

GOP: WHY U NOT EVEN VOTE TO SPARE THIS ONE HELPLESS INNOCENT KITTEH NAMED “VET” FROM THE BAG O’KITTEHS THAT I AM ABOUT TO DROWN!!!11!!!!

254 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:32:34am
255 Carlos Danger  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:43:52am

re: #253 Vicious Babushka

GOP: WHY U NOT EVEN VOTE TO SPARE THIS ONE HELPLESS INNOCENT KITTEH NAMED “VET” FROM THE BAG O’KITTEHS THAT I AM ABOUT TO DROWN!!!11!!!!

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Who got arrested? This is so transparently hokey.

256 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:45:19am

re: #255 Carlos Danger

Who got arrested? This is so transparently hokey.

Nobody, but the GOP is hoping for some street theater.

257 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:46:25am

CLUE X 4: 9/11

258 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:46:54am

re: #255 Carlos Danger

Who got arrested? This is so transparently hokey.

There were some WWII veterans that were understandably upset about the WWII memorial being closed yesterday. Not sure if they were arrested or not but apparently Obama personally ordered the arrested and laughed evily as he massaged his mustache as they were arrested. This is just a stupid distraction from the real issue of the GOP’s shutdown denying healthcare to veterans.

259 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:46:59am

re: #253 Vicious Babushka

Actually, I like Congressman Sessions’ idea: For Departments where the budget has been largely decided and that are not heavily involved in Obamacare, the House should simply pass the budget bills for those departments.

The bills will be ‘clean’, so Harry Reid will look like a jackass if he kills them insisting on some omnibus CR. In this way. progress can be made and Reid will either be forced to move, or stand still and risk opprobrium and defections. Frankly, this strategy should have been in place from the get-go. Regular Order is the way for the House to go: Vote out the budget for the DoVA; I don’t think the Senate will dare to vote it down.

260 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:47:33am

re: #254 lawhawk

Pre-Existing Condition: It’s not Obamacare or the shutdown that’s the problem - it’s the lack of American leadership

No, no, lawhawk, they actually got it right. They just misidentified the location of the leadership void. It’s in the Speaker’s office. Say what you like about Nancy Pelosi, with her as Speaker the Democratic caucus would never act like this.

261 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:47:35am

And they’re doing more damage than if they gathered their backers and blockaded the streets. The GOP is attempting what is essentially a coup. If the Dems cave it has been established that a minority tail (with teeth?) can wag the dog of a party in mixed control of one branch of three in the government - and essentially bring that government to a standstill unless they are granted what are effectively dictatorial powers.*

* - Powers by tantrum that is. They have power until the other sections of the government stand up to them. And then are backed by the populace in that stand.

262 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:48:15am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Actually, I like Congressman Sessions’ idea: For Departments where the budget has been largely decided and that are not heavily involved in Obamacare, the House should simply pass the budget bills for those departments.

The bills will be ‘clean’, so Harry Reid will look like a jackass if he kills them insisting on some omnibus CR. In this way. progress can be made and Reid will either be forced to move, or stand still and risk opprobrium and defections. Frankly, this strategy should have been in place from the get-go. Regular Order is the way for the House to go: Vote out the budget for the DoVA; I don’t think the Senate will dare to vote it down.

No, the GOP wants to waste a bazillion hours on piecemeal micro-managing of what gets unshut. That is just stupid.

263 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:48:32am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

There were some WWII veterans that were understandably upset about the WWII memorial being closed yesterday. Not sure if they were arrested or not but apparently Obama personally ordered the arrested and laughed evily as he massaged his mustache as they were arrested. This is just a stupid distraction from the real issue of the GOP’s shutdown denying healthcare to veterans.

And Bachmann and the King from Iowa were conveniently there for some camera time.

264 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:48:48am

So, the GOP is now advocating trespassing? All NPS sites are closed as a result of the shutdown. Liability issues? Any actions that could result in the government incurring costs are prohibited under federal law that goes back more than 100 years.

In other words, the GOP shutdown that was forced on the nation resulted in a shutdown of National Park sites that the GOP wants to blame on the President for not accepting their defund, delay, destroy poison pill provisions on Obamacare.

265 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:49:20am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Actually, I like Congressman Sessions’ idea: For Departments where the budget has been largely decided and that are not heavily involved in Obamacare, the House should simply pass the budget bills for those departments.

The bills will be ‘clean’, so Harry Reid will look like a jackass if he kills them insisting on some omnibus CR. In this way. progress can be made and Reid will either be forced to move, or stand still and risk opprobrium and defections. Frankly, this strategy should have been in place from the get-go. Regular Order is the way for the House to go: Vote out the budget for the DoVA; I don’t think the Senate will dare to vote it down.

That is a ridiculous idea. This ain’t a damn Chinese restaurant.

The House should get off the goddamned dime, realize they got their asses kicked, suck it up and get to work.

Piecemeal funding is a bullshit idea. It deserves nothing more than relentless mockery.

266 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:50:04am

How come Steve Stockman’s Twitter feed hasn’t been shut down?

267 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:50:48am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Actually, I like Congressman Sessions’ idea: For Departments where the budget has been largely decided and that are not heavily involved in Obamacare, the House should simply pass the budget bills for those departments.

The bills will be ‘clean’, so Harry Reid will look like a jackass if he kills them insisting on some omnibus CR. In this way. progress can be made and Reid will either be forced to move, or stand still and risk opprobrium and defections. Frankly, this strategy should have been in place from the get-go. Regular Order is the way for the House to go: Vote out the budget for the DoVA; I don’t think the Senate will dare to vote it down.

Total BS. Neither party in Congress should be playing any games whatsoever with the CR and the debt ceiling under any circumstances. The government should pay its debts, continue its operations, and not play chicken games over partisan issues. Extortion is no way to run a legislature.

Pass a clean CR. Raise the debt ceiling. Then sit down and conference and hammer out a serious budget.

268 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:51:40am
269 piratedan  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:52:04am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Actually, I like Congressman Sessions’ idea: For Departments where the budget has been largely decided and that are not heavily involved in Obamacare, the House should simply pass the budget bills for those departments.

The bills will be ‘clean’, so Harry Reid will look like a jackass if he kills them insisting on some omnibus CR. In this way. progress can be made and Reid will either be forced to move, or stand still and risk opprobrium and defections. Frankly, this strategy should have been in place from the get-go. Regular Order is the way for the House to go: Vote out the budget for the DoVA; I don’t think the Senate will dare to vote it down.

Ummmm, that is both Fuck and No… the GOP doesn’t get to pick and choose what parts of the Government gets to be freed from their hostage taking. The House GOP has had clean CR’s returned to them for voting, they’ve refused to bring them to the floor for a vote. TGhere’s no fucking way in hell that the Dems would be stupid enough to continue to agree to let the GOP dictate to them what parts of the government stay open. THIS SHIT ENDS HERE.

270 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:52:07am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Actually, I like Congressman Sessions’ idea: For Departments where the budget has been largely decided and that are not heavily involved in Obamacare, the House should simply pass the budget bills for those departments.

The bills will be ‘clean’, so Harry Reid will look like a jackass if he kills them insisting on some omnibus CR. In this way. progress can be made and Reid will either be forced to move, or stand still and risk opprobrium and defections. Frankly, this strategy should have been in place from the get-go. Regular Order is the way for the House to go: Vote out the budget for the DoVA; I don’t think the Senate will dare to vote it down.

Here’s an idea. Your party should stop wasting time on a futile ACA repeal while the man who signed it is in the WH. You’re not going to get it passed the Senate and even if you do, you certainly won’t get enough votes to overturn a veto. How about the House GOP grow a pair and stop pandering to a 31% of the country who find fault with anything President Obama and his allies do.

271 darthstar  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:53:43am

re: #265 makeitstop

That is a ridiculous idea. This ain’t a damn Chinese restaurant.

The House should get off the goddamned dime, realize they got their asses kicked, suck it up and get to work.


Piecemeal funding is a bullshit idea. It deserves nothing more than relentless mockery.

It’s not even worthy of that.

Let the GOP start deciding what they’ll fund and what they won’t, and the damage already done by sequestration will look like a drop in the bucket.

272 CarolJ  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:55:28am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Falcon, things don’t really work that way in the Federal Government. Agencies have to work together to do their work. Besides, what about contractors who clean the toilets and operate canteens and provide security?

I agree with Reid. This is nothing but an inadequate divide and conquer strategy to push the shutdown into seemingly invisible optics. As if media only exists in the beltway and won’t notice local Federal employees and contractors who aren’t working. And what about the Fed employee who needs Head Start for her kids that she can’t use because that’s shut down? Or a retiring one who needs a new Social Security card?

273 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:56:28am

re: #265 makeitstop

No, but separate budget bill for different departments are how the budget process is supposed to work. The Republican Party would do well to base its strategy around that fact and to remind the public of that fact as well.

274 darthstar  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:57:29am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

You should take advantage of this time you have between jobs and sign up for healthcare through the Affordable Care Act. It’s not socialism like Obamacare, and it will cost far less than COBRA coverage.

Then you can talk about how you want to kill it.

275 CarolJ  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:59:09am

re: #264 lawhawk

Let’s not forget that the people who clean toilets and collect the trash are considered “non-essential”. Maybe keeping people out of the monuments also keeps things like disease from blossoming from uncleaned bathrooms and uncollected trash. And people from stepping over such things and getting injured, And loiterers hanging around with little or no supervision. All security issues in a situation where you can’t predict an end.

276 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:59:29am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Actually, I like Congressman Sessions’ idea: For Departments where the budget has been largely decided and that are not heavily involved in Obamacare, the House should simply pass the budget bills for those departments.

The bills will be ‘clean’, so Harry Reid will look like a jackass if he kills them insisting on some omnibus CR. In this way. progress can be made and Reid will either be forced to move, or stand still and risk opprobrium and defections. Frankly, this strategy should have been in place from the get-go. Regular Order is the way for the House to go: Vote out the budget for the DoVA; I don’t think the Senate will dare to vote it down.

No. How about just passing the budget and keep all the rest of the crap out of it.

Your using the line ‘so Harry Reid will look like a jackass’ is just more of the same crap.

Admit the Republicans screwed up, fix the damn party and move on.

277 piratedan  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:02:29am

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

PURE KABUKI….

this is nothing more than rubber stamping the already agreed upon budget and indicating that checks need to be sent. This is NOT a new budgetary appropriations window, yeah, there may be some minute room for a reallocation of some of the money, you know like the Dems have been trying to get the GOP to the table for for the last six months and the GOP couldn’t be bothered to do. Now that their hair is caught in the door, suddenly the GOP wants to sit down and sound reasonable and offer up some additional concessions that the Dems could make to have them perform the jobs that they should have already performed without holding the damn country hostage.

Other than that… great idea…. //

278 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:02:48am

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

No, but separate budget bill for different departments are how the budget process is supposed to work. The Republican Party would do well to base its strategy around that fact and to remind the public of that fact as well.

I await your digestive system to start supplying nutrients on a selective basis to different organs. Feed the liver and let the spleen work things out for itself.
///

279 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:03:14am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Actually, I like Congressman Sessions’ idea: For Departments where the budget has been largely decided and that are not heavily involved in Obamacare, the House should simply pass the budget bills for those departments.

The bills will be ‘clean’, so Harry Reid will look like a jackass if he kills them insisting on some omnibus CR. In this way. progress can be made and Reid will either be forced to move, or stand still and risk opprobrium and defections. Frankly, this strategy should have been in place from the get-go. Regular Order is the way for the House to go: Vote out the budget for the DoVA; I don’t think the Senate will dare to vote it down.

The point of a shutdown is supposed to be so bad as to make both sides willing to come to the table to avoid the consequences. It’s the same logic that was supposed to make the sequester avoidable.

Instead, it’s the GOP that sees the outcome of the sequester and the shutdown as favorable to them and the extremist wing because it reduces government at any cost.

The fact is that the House Speaker is scared of allowing a clean vote on anything because of the fear it might actually pass. Doing so would incur the wrath of the extortionist wing, force a primary, and also potentially increase the chances of a default in the debt ceiling.

So, Boehner has multiple interests in keeping this shutdown going to show the futility to the extortionists that the President wont back down and accept the poison pills, freeing up movement on the debt ceiling - that’s the most positive spin that can be given in Boehner’s defense.

The alternative is that Boehner is in thrall to the extortionist wing and is playing to the extremists because he is one of them. Instead of putting down the tyranny of the minority, he’s catering to them and their demands.

280 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:04:02am

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

No, but separate budget bill for different departments are how the budget process is supposed to work. The Republican Party would do well to base its strategy around that fact and to remind the public of that fact as well.

No, it’s a hare-brained idea from Sessions, who barely has two brain cells to rub together.

Think of all the government would accomplish if Republicans would spend their limited brain power on actually doing their jobs instead of trying to dream up new gimmicks to create the appearance of them doing their jobs.

Non-starter. Government by gimmick. Fucking worthless.

281 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:05:48am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

You do realize that they couldn’t even get 3 of these bills out of the House last night don’t you?

282 GOPHostage#25698724  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:07:12am

Dark makes a great point about omnibus bills. It’s misplaced timing is the problem. Sorry Dark, but this day is not the day to do anything but pass a budget and admit the ACA is here.

But in principle the every Fed budget bill should be a series of bills. Especially since the line item veto was lost to a constitutional challenge. That cost us many billions in spending changes unspoken. It may have been legally correct but damn. Imagine for a sec how different these negotiations would be if our President had a line item veto.

from my FB

Congress should not get paid, their accounts should be frozen just like Irans. A supreme act of civil disobedience would be for those who make the checks to refuse. Or the banks to refuse to accept a congressional paycheck for deposit. “Sir, your check is no good until you pass the budget.

And for a lighter touch…
Image: Kahngress.jpg

283 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:08:55am

Yesterday the GOP and their wingnut minions were jubilating about 900,000 “non-essential” people losing their jobs and shouting WHY DON’T WE MAKE THAT PERMANENT!!!1!!!!! and today they are whining that these same “non-essentials” are not at work enabling their 90-year-old-veterans-as-street=theater-props stupid photo-op.

284 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:09:29am

So, Sessions’ idea is that the terrorists be allowed to release that pretty pregnant white woman and her adorable moppet daughter in time for the primetime news shows, while still keeping the less telegenic hostages under the gun?

Fuck that shit.

DF, you need to think about why you would support this ‘kinder, gentler’ terrorism as a way to keep our current, ungodly expensive, wasteful, and cruelly inequitable healthcare system in place.

285 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:12:17am

re: #278 Feline Fearless Leader

I await your digestive system to start supplying nutrients on a selective basis to different organs. Feed the liver and let the spleen work things out for itself.
///

The government isn’t like that. The Departments of State and Justice can be humming right along while Education and Health and Human Services are shuttered.

286 gwangung  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:13:56am

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

The government isn’t like that. The Departments of State and Justice can be humming right along while Education and Health and Human Services are shuttered.

Why?

And think about it. Don’t just give out talking points. Why prioritize one over the other? Think about the ramifications.

287 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:14:58am

re: #286 gwangung

Why?

And think about it. Don’t just give out talking points. Why prioritize one over the other? Think about the ramifications.

Basically, it gives the obstructionists at least two bites at the apple.

288 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:15:46am

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

The government isn’t like that. The Departments of State and Justice can be humming right along while Education and Health and Human Services are shuttered.

Oh, Education, Health and Human Services. It’s not like they have never been GOP targets to mess with.

289 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:16:39am

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

The government isn’t like that. The Departments of State and Justice can be humming right along while Education and Health and Human Services are shuttered.

And that’s a constructive idea, why? Your party is always lecturing about jobs blah blah. Well you know what, some of us have jobs and some of us have jobs at those departments that are effected. As I said, your party needs to first accept ACA’s existence. Hell I’d even go as far to say that you have too many members in your party’s House caucus who can’t even accept that the President is an American let alone our president. If they can do that, maybe then they’ll be taken seriously but until then, I see no reason why Reid or Obama should give in to them.

290 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:17:57am

Gee, DF, you don’t suppose this is PRECISELY why the Government is NOT funded by a series of Department-specific bills, do ya? So that the GOP majority in the House gets complete control over what does and doesn’t get funded?

No, they do it all together because that’s how GOVERNING works - one side has to accept that they don’t get everything they want, in exchange for getting a lot of what they want.

Suggesting the Government be funded piecemeal is either naive or disingenuous.

291 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:20:26am

re: #286 gwangung

Why?

And think about it. Don’t just give out talking points. Why prioritize one over the other? Think about the ramifications.

Why? Because, to use my example, DoS and DoJ do vital work for the nation and cannot be dispensed with. DoE, by contrast, is of much lesser value, given that it does not actually direct education policy, and can thus be kept shutdown without great harm. HHS is associated with Obamacare and is thus at the core of the issue in contention, which is why it stays shut down. But there is no reason for State and Justice to be downlined while things get sorted out.

292 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:25:47am

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

Why? Because, to use my example, DoS and DoJ do vital work for the nation and cannot be dispensed with. DoE, by contrast, is of much lesser value, given that it does not actually direct education policy, and can thus be kept shutdown without great harm. HHS is associated with Obamacare and is thus at the core of the issue in contention, which is why it stays shut down. But there is no reason for State and Justice to be downlined while things get sorted out.

Core of the issue. What a load of BS.

It’s the damn law, There is no issue.

You pose yourself as a conservative. When are you and the damn Republican party going to act like it?

293 gwangung  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:27:05am

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

Why? Because, to use my example, DoS and DoJ do vital work for the nation and cannot be dispensed with. DoE, by contrast, is of much lesser value, given that it does not actually direct education policy, and can thus be kept shutdown without great harm. HHS is associated with Obamacare and is thus at the core of the issue in contention, which is why it stays shut down. But there is no reason for State and Justice to be downlined while things get sorted out.

You’re not thinking it through, mostly because you don’t know the guts and details of what these programs do. HHS does FAR more than just Obamacare; you are actually, literally, cutting off money that feeds poor children and family. You are actually and literally starving them.

That’s OK to you “while things get sorted out”?

ETA: And sort out WHAT? Obamacare is the law. It passed YEARS ago. It was declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. It has all the funding mechanisms worked out. WHY ARE YOU ARGUING OVER A SETTLED ISSUE?

294 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:28:52am

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

Why? Because, to use my example, DoS and DoJ do vital work for the nation and cannot be dispensed with. DoE, by contrast, is of much lesser value, given that it does not actually direct education policy, and can thus be kept shutdown without great harm. HHS is associated with Obamacare and is thus at the core of the issue in contention, which is why it stays shut down. But there is no reason for State and Justice to be downlined while things get sorted out.

So you’re seriously suggesting that we keep HHS shutdown because you have many in your party who don’t accept ACA is law? I’m sorry DF but that’s a load of horseshit.

295 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:32:25am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

So you’re seriously suggesting that we keep HHS shutdown because you have many in your party who don’t accept ACA is law? I’m sorry DF but that’s a load of horseshit.

it is what it is. Given the present situation, HHS isn’t going to reopen soon. i don’t agree with shuttering it to begin with, but the votes to reopen it just aren’t there at this time.

Funding those departments where there is agreement is the best option, given the current impasse.

296 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:35:26am

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

Why? Because, to use my example, DoS and DoJ do vital work for the nation and cannot be dispensed with. DoE, by contrast, is of much lesser value, given that it does not actually direct education policy, and can thus be kept shutdown without great harm. HHS is associated with Obamacare and is thus at the core of the issue in contention, which is why it stays shut down. But there is no reason for State and Justice to be downlined while things get sorted out.

Good to know that you think CDC is not worth funding.

297 gwangung  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:38:00am

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

it is what it is. Given the present situation, HHS isn’t going to reopen soon. i don’t agree with shuttering it to begin with, but the votes to reopen it just aren’t there at this time.

Funding those departments where there is agreement is the best option, given the current impasse.

By the way…figuring out EXACTLY which contractors to hire and rehire is going to take time. And money. A non trivial amount.

Again, I don’t think you’re thinking it through.

298 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:39:19am

Impasse.

You know the only party that is at an impasse is the Republicans that put themselves in one.

Sheesh. What an excuse maker. I’m thinking Idi Amim could come back and run as a Republican and Dark would be fine with it.

299 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:40:19am

re: #298 ObserverArt

Impasse.

You know the only party that is at an impasse is the Republicans that put themselves in one.

Sheesh. What an excuse maker. I’m thinking Idi Amim could come back and run as a Republican and Dark would be fine with it.

The TPGOP could use the diversity.

300 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:40:42am

re: #298 ObserverArt

That last isn’t true and you know it.

301 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:42:20am

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

it is what it is. Given the present situation, HHS isn’t going to reopen soon. i don’t agree with shuttering it to begin with, but the votes to reopen it just aren’t there at this time.

Funding those departments where there is agreement is the best option, given the current impasse.

So let’s screw over HHS because of that? And I’m sorry but as already pointed out HHS does more than just ACA. There’s also the CDC which has over 2/3’s of its workers out of work right now because of the shutdown. Your party leadership the minute Preident Obama won re-election should have told its more wacky members that they needed to accept that PResident Obama wasn’t going to repeal ACA or defund it. But instead Boehner gives into them time and time again? And you know why, it’s not even because he sincerely agrees with them, he does it because he cares more about his personal power than doing right by the American people. Your party has been hijacked by a bunch of zealots who got us in this mess.

302 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:50:40am

re: #247 Vicious Babushka

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RIP but, oh, to have the $$$ to pay someone to show up at his funeral dressed as Ramius…

303 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:56:43am

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

That last isn’t true and you know it.

I know it isn’t true. But I think it is true that you will follow and or excuse the Republicans no matter how extreme they become. Even to the point of damaging the entire government processes in this country. And no true conservative should stand for that. I used an extreme example as a tool to make a point. I think you know it too.

304 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:07:29am

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

it is what it is. Given the present situation, HHS isn’t going to reopen soon. i don’t agree with shuttering it to begin with, but the votes to reopen it just aren’t there at this time.

Funding those departments where there is agreement is the best option, given the current impasse.

The only acceptable solution to this impasse is for the GOP to stop manufacturing crises to get its way even after it has lost elections.

For the House GOP to pull this crap is totally unacceptable, especially after having received fewer votes collectively than the Democrats did in 2012.


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