The title pretty much says it all. I don’t have the final word on what caused the outage but our host seems to have found a way to resolve it. Stay tuned for more details; I’m still checking over stuff and finding anything that might need to be reset or restarted, so here’s the requisite open thread.
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GOPHostage#25698724 Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:41:52pm |
Thanks to all who worked to fix it. News Flash-AEG wins in lawsuit brought by Jackson family.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:42:33pm |
Whew, can finally get my fix. Was getting the shakes something awful.
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b.d. Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:44:31pm |
Thank God this place is back. I’ve had to complain to people, the old fashioned way, face to face all day long.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:45:37pm |
At a couple of points the Linux top command was showing server loads over 500, right before crashing. Hopefully I’ll be getting more info soon.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:46:16pm |
Good evening Lizards. On tonight’s menu is stuffed pumpkin. Not including bacon (but available on the side) since some consumers might have vegetarian preferences.
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:46:39pm |
re: #5 b.d.
Thank God this place is back. I’ve had to complain to people, the old fashioned way, face to face all day long.
I actually got some work done. The horror.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:47:37pm |
First time I actually checked “Out for everyone” about LGF & had it say yep, everyone.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:47:59pm |
There’s an honest-to-god Republican in one of my classes. Except… he’s not a Republican like the bunch of shirtshows staing the meltdown. He’s opposed to the government shutdown, and blames ‘30 representatives’ and somehow doesn’t think it reflects badly on the rest of the GOP.
I asked him his opinion on basically every plank of the GOP, and he opposed them. He didn’t know they were the GOP planks. He didn’t know the GOP supported creationism in schools, he thought the percentage of our budget we sent as foreign aid was like 10%, etc. He’s being— rather gently— informed by the professor how wrong he is in the way he thinks the US government works and what we spend our money on, and he’s actually changing his mind and adopting the new info. It’s kind of fascinating, and pretty nifty to see. For some reason he likes talking to me, and tomorrow I’m going to try to get him to really, really take a look at the shudown, at just how cowardly and dangerous it is, how much it is holding party above country in the worst and most despicable way on the part of the GOP, and not just 30 dudes.
He’s an alright kid. I think he grew up in the Hamptons surrounded by incessant whisperings of privilege, but he actually thinks about stuff.
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LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:54:41pm |
*moonwalks like Michael Jackson across the kitchen floor*
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3eff Jeff Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:54:55pm |
re: #6 Charles Johnson
At a couple of points the Linux top command was showing server loads over 500, right before crashing. Hopefully I’ll be getting more info soon.
I’ve seen that on some of my production systems. Usually right before the NAS takes a giant dump.
EDIT: By which I mean, LGF is normally solid and always there. I wouldn’t be surprised that this was a hardware failure.
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:55:07pm |
re: #10 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Bravo. This is probably the most important kind of political activism —- finding sane and decent people who unaccountably still vote for the GOP, and pointing out what it is they are really enabling with this.
It’s hard, because the simple truth sounds so extreme.
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Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:57:10pm |
Thanks, Charles.
re: #10 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Maybe he’s still just picking stuff up from his parents? He still has a young, plastic mind, so he could change a lot. Let’s hope for the better.
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LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:58:13pm |
re: #10 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
There really does seem to be a disconnect. I know people who are T partiers and just the wingiest of the wingnuttia who are pro gay marriage. They refuse to believe there are any anti gay feelings in the right wing!
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:58:19pm |
So the House just sent two of their piecemeal bills to the Senate, one for the National Park Service, the other for the National Institutes of Health.
I reiterate my plan from last night, which is to take the bills and amend the full “clean” CR to them. Or, better yet, send them back amended to return funding to the full “pre-sequester” amount.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 2, 2013 3:58:26pm |
Guess what Glenn: NOBODY FUCKING CARES!
Also, Lavabit was investigated for child porn.
Edward Snowden’s E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys http://t.co/ZECKJxyTnu - Ladar Levison,= hero— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) October 2, 2013
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:01:38pm |
re: #15 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton
There really does seem to be a disconnect. I know people who are T partiers and just the wingiest of the wingnuttia who are pro gay marriage. They refuse to believe there are any anti gay feelings in the right wing!
The libertarian types in the GOP tend to be willfully blind to the obsessions of their so-con GOP confederates. See also GoProud and the Log Cabin idiots.
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dog philosopher Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:02:18pm |
Lavabit
i’m sorry, i still read it as “he/she/it will wash” in latin
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:02:30pm |
re: #17 Vicious Babushka
Guess what Glenn: NOBODY FUCKING CARES!
Also, Lavabit was investigated for child porn.[Embedded content]
If you read the actual report, they wanted access to Edward Snowden’s emails, which doesn’t seem too unreasonable since he’s charged with espionage. Instead of handing it over, Lavabit’s owner was a dick about it and screwed around with the FBI until they got a court order telling him to hand everything over.
They were after Snowden’s emails, so of course the dudebros are going to try to picture this as the FBI trying to get access to EVERYBODY’s emails.
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b.d. Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:02:31pm |
Where has Ted Cruz been the last couple of days? He’s been awfully quiet or I have been reading the right things that don’t mention him.
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GOPHostage#25698724 Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:02:35pm |
re: #3 Targetpractice
Whew, can finally get my fix. Was getting the shakes something awful.
Do twitter? A support group was spontaneously forming.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:03:03pm |
Ds: Why don't we fund govt at levels Rs themselves previously described as big victory over us? Rs: Why won't Ds negotiate?— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) October 2, 2013
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Patricia Kayden Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:03:05pm |
re: #17 Vicious Babushka
With all that is going on with the shutdown, I can’t even pretend to be interested in anything going on with Snowden/Greenwald. That will have to wait for a less tense time in D.C. Boehner just walked out of the meeting with President Obama saying that the President is not willing to compromise and Reid is not willing to hold a conference to negotiate.
What’s to negotiate? The ACA is the law.
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dog philosopher Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:03:19pm |
re: #15 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton
There really does seem to be a disconnect. I know people who are T partiers and just the wingiest of the wingnuttia who are pro gay marriage. They refuse to believe there are any anti gay feelings in the right wing!
we are all obsessed here, but outside of political blogs it’s fatally easy to not know things
many things
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:03:47pm |
re: #21 b.d.
Where has Ted Cruz been the last couple of days? He’s been awfully quiet or I have been reading the right things that don’t mention him.
RT @BarackObama: Retweet if you want this #shutdown to end.— Senator Ted Cruz (@SenTedCruz) October 2, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:03:54pm |
re: #20 Charles Johnson
If you read the actual report, they wanted access to Edward Snowden’s emails, which doesn’t seem too unreasonable since he’s charged with espionage. Instead of handing it over, Lavabit’s owner was a dick about it and screwed around with the FBI until they got a court order telling him to hand everything over.
They were after Snowden’s emails, so of course the dudebros are going to try to picture this as the FBI trying to get access to EVERYBODY’s emails.
Glenn links to an article which says something totally different from what he says it does.
My surprise, let me show you it.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:04:22pm |
re: #22 Political Atheist
Do twitter? A support group was spontaneously forming.
And I got my proofs mostly done.
Still 3 to write out, but since I remembered how to do basic math there’s hope.
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Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:04:25pm |
re: #17 Vicious Babushka
Guess what Glenn: NOBODY FUCKING CARES!
Also, Lavabit was investigated for child porn.[Embedded content]
It’s never been proved that what GG’s saying is true. It’s always been about the child porn issue, never about Snowden. Levison never said he was served a warrant by the FISA court for anything of Snowden’s with Lavabit, even as he never mentioned the child porn issue.
If anyone believes this tweet, they’re as nutz as GG is.
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dog philosopher Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:05:06pm |
re: #24 Patricia Kayden
Boehner just walked out of the meeting with President Obama saying that the President is not willing to compromise and Reid is not willing to hold a conference to negotiate.
that’s what i wanted to hear!
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:05:14pm |
re: #24 Patricia Kayden
What’s to negotiate? The ACA is the law.
TEH SLAVERY WAS TEH LAW TOO!!!1!!!!!
Srsly, they are shrieking this meme all over Teh Twitters.
Dear #RWNJ's: Here is the difference between Slavery & #Obamacare #UniteBlue #tgdn #tcot #lnyhbt #shutdown pic.twitter.com/UfJPhTrraY— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) October 2, 2013
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Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:05:52pm |
re: #20 Charles Johnson
If you read the actual report, they wanted access to Edward Snowden’s emails, which doesn’t seem too unreasonable since he’s charged with espionage. Instead of handing it over, Lavabit’s owner was a dick about it and screwed around with the FBI until they got a court order telling him to hand everything over.
They were after Snowden’s emails, so of course the dudebros are going to try to picture this as the FBI trying to get access to EVERYBODY’s emails.
Where is that report, Charles? I would love to read it because I haven’t seen anything to the contrary of what I saw earlier.
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:05:53pm |
re: #27 Vicious Babushka
The Harry Potter series, as summarized by Glenn Greenwald: “Dumbledore Dies. Harry Potter could have done it. Voldemort misunderstood”
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calochortus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:06:10pm |
re: #19 dog philosopher
Lavabit
i’m sorry, i still read it as “he/she/it will wash” in latin
Well, look who’s a hoity toity intellectual ;)
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:06:16pm |
*HEADDESK*
Lavabit is fighting to defend everyone's privacy rights http://t.co/OQwo3HIC95 - you can donate to defense fund here http://t.co/jNueiEOIEM— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) October 2, 2013
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:06:26pm |
re: #24 Patricia Kayden
With all that is going on with the shutdown, I can’t even pretend to be interested in anything going on with Snowden/Greenwald. That will have to wait for a less tense time in D.C. Boehner just walked out of the meeting with President Obama saying that the President is not willing to compromise and Reid is not willing to hold a conference to negotiate.
What’s to negotiate? The ACA is the law.
“Compromise” and “negotiate,” two words whose true meanings the GOP are completely ignorant of.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:07:05pm |
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:07:33pm |
re: #25 dog philosopher
we are all obsessed here, but outside of political blogs it’s fatally easy to not know things
Maybe it’s just me, but I sense from my Facebook that a lot of people are pissed about the shutdown, and they’re not blaming the dems, i.e., I don’t see a lot of “both sides do it.”
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A Mom Anon Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:07:44pm |
Thanks to everyone who worked to get LGF back on track.
So, any thoughts on what the next step of this madness is? How in the hell is it going to be possible to fix this mess? These people are anarchists, they are not there to govern, they are there to destroy the government.
I have to say, if they crash the economy over all this, I am truly scared what will happen to this country in the aftermath. It’s going to get really ugly, more than it is already.
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Patricia Kayden Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:07:47pm |
re: #32 Vicious Babushka
As a descendant of slaves, I can truly say that Repubs are despicable for “comparing” slavery with the ACA. It’s such an absurd thing to do. Great minority outreach they’ve got going for them.
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:08:10pm |
re: #37 Targetpractice
“Compromise” and “negotiate,” two words whose true meanings the GOP are completely ignorant of.
Compromise means unconditional surrender by libtards to the demands of real American Tea Party Patriots. What kind of commie doesn’t even know that?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:08:43pm |
re: #29 Justanotherhuman
It’s never been proved that what GG’s saying is true. It’s always been about the child porn issue, never about Snowden. Levison never said he was served a warrant by the FISA court for anything of Snowden’s with Lavabit, even as he never mentioned the child porn issue.
If anyone believes this tweet, they’re as nutz as GG is.
No, actually the Wired article is about newly unsealed documents that do make it clear they were after Snowden’s emails: Edward Snowden’s E-Mail Provider Defied FBI Demands to Turn Over Crypto Keys, Documents Show.
The July 16 order came after Texas-based Lavabit refused to circumvent its own security systems to comply with earlier orders intended to trace the internet IP address of a particular Lavabit user. The name of the target is redacted from the unsealed records, but the offenses under investigation are listed as violations of the Espionage Act and theft of government property — the exact charges that have been filed against NSA whistleblower Snowden in the same Virginia court.
I love how the headline stresses that they “defied FBI demands” to turn over crypto keys, when the real story is that they resisted FBI demands to turn over Snowden’s email.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:08:46pm |
re: #40 A Mom Anon
Thanks to everyone who worked to get LGF back on track.
So, any thoughts on what the next step of this madness is? How in the hell is it going to be possible to fix this mess? These people are anarchists, they are not there to govern, they are there to destroy the government.
I have to say, if they crash the economy over all this, I am truly scared what will happen to this country in the aftermath. It’s going to get really ugly, more than it is already.
The next step, as it seems to stand right now, is to roll the shutdown over into the debt ceiling “debate.” Both sides think it’ll give them more leverage, but one side is delusional. Three guesses as to who and the first two don’t count.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:09:20pm |
A lot of this NSA hand-wringing is about dudebros trying to impress each other.
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:09:21pm |
re: #40 A Mom Anon
Thanks to everyone who worked to get LGF back on track.
So, any thoughts on what the next step of this madness is? How in the hell is it going to be possible to fix this mess? These people are anarchists, they are not there to govern, they are there to destroy the government.
I have to say, if they crash the economy over all this, I am truly scared what will happen to this country in the aftermath. It’s going to get really ugly, more than it is already.
I see two possibilities.
1) The GOP moneybags that created this tea party monster publicly kill it off.
2) Civil war.
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dog philosopher Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:10:08pm |
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:11:19pm |
re: #47 dog philosopher
my toities are always hoity
I misread that first as toilets and was very confused.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:11:27pm |
When you hobnob with the hoi polloi you run the risk of getting hoity toity.
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EmmaAnne Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:11:52pm |
re: #10 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
He’s an alright kid. I think he grew up in the Hamptons surrounded by incessant whisperings of privilege, but he actually thinks about stuff.
My father-in-law used to bitch about spending large amounts of money to send his kids to college and having them come back liberal. Yay for education!
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:13:34pm |
re: #44 Targetpractice
The next step, as it seems to stand right now, is to roll the shutdown over into the debt ceiling “debate.” Both sides think it’ll give them more leverage, but one side is delusional. Three guesses as to who and the first two don’t count.
I’m hoping that if it comes to the debt ceiling, Obama simply says to the American people the following:
“I’m faced with a debt ceiling that is inconsistent with the tax levels set by Congress and the appropriations made by Congress. I can unilaterally raise taxes, cut spending, or ignore the debt ceiling to resolve this.
The debt ceiling is null and void. Thank you and good night.”
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GOPHostage#25698724 Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:13:37pm |
re: #28 klys
And I got my proofs mostly done.
Still 3 to write out, but since I remembered how to do basic math there’s hope.
Good to hear. Diligence, +good brain +good tools works well.
I feel ya. I never passed Algebra II but I do some thick math flipping alloys. Like take a half kilo of 18k rose and add the metals to make it 14kt in a specific yellow tint. BTW if you’d like to metal/shop chat sometime, go to pmwest.us and you’ll see my work email. I do use email and the PMW blog to get the metal nerd on.
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calochortus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:14:24pm |
re: #51 EPR-radar
And dare the Supreme Court to find it unconstitutional and crash the economy…
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:15:52pm |
Grover Norquist slams Cruz: ‘He pushed House Republicans into traffic and wandered away’ | The Raw Story http://t.co/gvlPTQK3Pp— maggie (@jungmuse) October 2, 2013
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:15:54pm |
re: #52 Political Atheist
Good to hear. Diligence, +good brain +good tools works well.
I feel ya. I never passed Algebra II but I do some thick math flipping alloys. Like take a half kilo of 18k rose and add the metals to make it 14kt in a specific yellow tint. BTW if you’d like to metal/shop chat sometime, go to pmwest.us and you’ll see my work email. I do use email and the PMW blog to get the metal nerd on.
I went to office hours yesterday and had the instructor explain the missing insights. Mostly little tricks that if you don’t see it you can bang your head into the problem for hours (true fact).
My thumb is being really sore now though, probably from too much weird symbol typing over the past few days. It needs to suffer just a little more.
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:16:39pm |
re: #53 calochortus
And dare the Supreme Court to find it unconstitutional and crash the economy…
More simply, ask the supreme court, if they want to chime in, how they propose to resolve taxes, appropriations and a debt ceiling that are mathematically inconsistent.
The debt ceiling may be the single stupidest idea ever in DC, and yes I am old enough to remember some doozies.
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elizajane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:16:56pm |
So glad this site is back up!! So much madness elsewhere.
Yesterday the govt. shut down and my office was closed — not because of the feds but because of copper wire thieves (cf. fireball on Berkeley campus…). I spent the day wandering around from one cafe to another with all my books and notes and computer. My neighbor, who runs a federally funded lab, spent the day clearing out and shutting down the whole place. We had dinner together and much to drink.
Today the excitement is over and reality settles in. Great comment from Ed Kilgore on reality (and fantasy…)
Now I don’t know anything about the president’s relationship with Boehner. But it’s becoming a matter of national security for him to find some way to take him aside, maybe give the Speaker a cigarette from his secret stash, and say: “I will see you in Hell before I negotiate over the debt limit. And if you let a default happen, I will devote the rest of my presidency to making sure you, personally, bear the blame, and go down in history with our most despised traitors and criminals. For generations, little school children in Ohio will cross themselves and make hex signs when your name is mentioned. So do not, do not, go back and tell your crazy people they can win if they just stick together.”
This sort of attitude adjustment needs to happen sooner rather than later, before Boehner takes another step down the path he is currently contemplating.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:16:59pm |
re: #51 EPR-radar
I’m hoping that if it comes to the debt ceiling, Obama simply says to the American people the following:
“I’m faced with a debt ceiling that is inconsistent with the tax levels set by Congress and the appropriations made by Congress. I can unilaterally raise taxes, cut spending, or ignore the debt ceiling to resolve this.
The debt ceiling is null and void. Thank you and good night.”
The GOP leadership, or at least the buffoons who claim to be in charge of the whole damned mess, have all said they won’t allow a default because they won’t allow a violation of the full faith and credit of the federal government. So it might very well be until the 17th or earlier before we get some sort of relief from the shutdown.
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Stoatly Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:18:21pm |
re: #35 calochortus
Well, look who’s a hoity toity intellectual ;)
“Looks like we got ourselves one of them thinkers”
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EmmaAnne Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:18:27pm |
re: #53 calochortus
And dare the Supreme Court to find it unconstitutional and crash the economy…
The Supreme Court would probably call it a “political question” and stay out of it.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:19:47pm |
re: #57 EPR-radar
Debt ceiling is a relatively recent invention, but there was a way of handling this without the kind of nonsense we’re seeing now. The Gephardt rule would essentially combine debt ceiling with appropriations since the appropriations process necessarily leads to a potential debt ceiling issue.
If you approve appropriations, you’re necessarily approving a corresponding increase in the debt ceiling if the budget requires the increase.
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:20:08pm |
re: #59 Targetpractice
The GOP leadership, or at least the buffoons who claim to be in charge of the whole damned mess, have all said they won’t allow a default because they won’t allow a violation of the full faith and credit of the federal government. So it might very well be until the 17th or earlier before we get some sort of relief from the shutdown.
The stubborn position (therefore rather likely) is for the GOP to let the debt ceiling increase, but keep going with the government shutdown itself.
After all, for most of these loons, the shutdown is an end in itself.
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dog philosopher Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:20:21pm |
re: #60 Stoatly
“Looks like we got ourselves one of them thinkers”
“yew must be onna them fellers from th’ city who talks too much”
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:20:23pm |
re: #54 Lidane
.@jungmuse But before that, Norquist handed out cigarettes and blindfolds to GOPers who bought his no tax pledge nonsense— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 2, 2013
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:20:41pm |
re: #13 EPR-radar
Bravo. This is probably the most important kind of political activism —- finding sane and decent people who unaccountably still vote for the GOP, and pointing out what it is they are really enabling with this.
It’s hard, because the simple truth sounds so extreme.
It’s mostly the professor, really, not me. If this kid had gotten truly infected with the anti-intellectual attitudes of the GOP, I think he’d be utterly resilient. This is why the GOP’s embrace of the creationists is an awful, anti-American move; it is a cynical desire to bind people to their party, rather than making the best party they can to appeal to the most people. They put party before country.
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calochortus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:23:07pm |
re: #57 EPR-radar
More simply, ask the supreme court, if they want to chime in, how they propose to resolve taxes, appropriations and a debt ceiling that are mathematically inconsistent.
The debt ceiling may be the single stupidest idea ever in DC, and yes I am old enough to remember some doozies.
But it does take some of the fun out of it.
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:23:14pm |
re: #63 lawhawk
Debt ceiling is a relatively recent invention, but there was a way of handling this without the kind of nonsense we’re seeing now. The Gephardt rule would essentially combine debt ceiling with appropriations since the appropriations process necessarily leads to a potential debt ceiling issue.
If you approve appropriations, you’re necessarily approving a corresponding increase in the debt ceiling if the budget requires the increase.
The Gephardt rule is a sensible way of dealing with it, but the debt ceiling itself remains stupid. The only public policy knobs that are available are taxes and appropriations. The debt is the result of these policies over time. Trying to pass an independent law specifying the debt ceiling really is very much like trying to legislate that
3(taxes) - 5(appropriations) = 0(debt).
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:23:45pm |
re: #70 EPR-radar
The Gephardt rule is a sensible way of dealing with it, but the debt ceiling itself remains stupid. The only public policy knobs that are available are taxes and appropriations. The debt is the result of these policies over time. Trying to pass an independent law specifying the debt ceiling really is very much like trying to legislate that
3(taxes) - 5(appropriations) = 0(debt).
And thus Winston Churchill is a carrot. This concludes the proof.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:25:53pm |
BREAKING: At least 17 House Republicans say they'd vote for clean budget bill— All In w/Chris Hayes (@allinwithchris) October 2, 2013
So, that’s about enough to get a clean CR done, if only the Speaker drops the Hastert rule. But he can’t or wont, so this shutdown continues.
Let me repeat.
But for the Speaker’s refusal to drop the Hastert Rule, the shutdown would end, the tyranny of the minority would end, and we’d not only have the government funded, but the TP Extortionists would be rightfully consigned to the corner.
Instead, Speaker Boehner continues indulging their extortionism and therefore is an extension of their policies.
Boehner broke it. He owns this.
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:25:54pm |
re: #67 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
It’s mostly the professor, really, not me. If this kid had gotten truly infected with the anti-intellectual attitudes of the GOP, I think he’d be utterly resilient. This is why the GOP’s embrace of the creationists is an awful, anti-American move; it is a cynical desire to bind people to their party, rather than making the best party they can to appeal to the most people. They put party before country.
An open mind is the worst enemy of any ideologue. The rot with the GOP runs deeper than just creationism (as awful as that is). The GOP is anti-education across the board from kindergarten through graduate school. They hate thinking and education because thinking and educated people are less likely to accept their lies.
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calochortus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:26:51pm |
So, I was browsing over at FR, and see that Jim Robinson has had to have surgery postponed because of another issue with his health. I wish him well and all that, but was struck by the incredible irony of the fact he gets his healthcare from the VA*, one of the few healthcare providers in the country which actually is run and paid for by the federal government.
Meanwhile FReepers are carrying on about other people being able to buy and keep private insurance.
*IIRC he was in the navy and presumably ended up with a medical discharge after 4 or 5 years because he had muscular dystrophy-so he gets government health care for life with no caps, no risk of losing insurance.
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GOPHostage#25698724 Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:26:58pm |
re: #53 calochortus
I don’t think so. The limit would fall IMHO. I’m no lawyer but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn spend some time looking about. The consensus is not clear.
blog.constitutioncenter.org
The argument over the 14th Amendment goes like this: Section IV says that “the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law … shall not be questioned.”Therefore, if you believe that the “public debt” can’t be questioned in any context, the debt ceiling itself is unconstitutional….
One of the more recent proponents of the 14th Amendment threat is former President Bill Clinton, who broached the idea in July 2011.
In an online interview with The National Memo, Clinton said Newt Gingrich’s Republican caucus first came up with the 14th Amendment idea during Clinton’s time as president, and Clinton’s team researched the constitutional implications.
Clinton said he would use the 14th Amendment “without hesitation, and force the courts to stop me.”
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:27:40pm |
re: #64 EPR-radar
The stubborn position (therefore rather likely) is for the GOP to let the debt ceiling increase, but keep going with the government shutdown itself.
After all, for most of these loons, the shutdown is an end in itself.
Think of the difference between shutdown and default as like an episode of Deal or No Deal. Once Republicans are forced to raise the debt ceiling in a clean vote, sans any of their demands, then they lose any of the scare factor that such threats should carry. At that point, continuing on the shutdown just does more damage to them without any chance of a victory.
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calochortus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:28:22pm |
re: #75 Political Atheist
I know there is debate on this. I didn’t even sleep at a Holiday Inn, so cannot offer an informed opinion.
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Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:28:26pm |
Woops.
Thanks, Charles—looks like that Wired article was posted today.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:29:10pm |
re: #72 lawhawk
[Embedded content]
So, that’s about enough to get a clean CR done, if only the Speaker drops the Hastert rule. But he can’t or wont, so this shutdown continues.Let me repeat.
But for the Speaker’s refusal to drop the Hastert Rule, the shutdown would end, the tyranny of the minority would end, and we’d not only have the government funded, but the TP Extortionists would be rightfully consigned to the corner.
Instead, Speaker Boehner continues indulging their extortionism and therefore is an extension of their policies.
Boehner broke it. He owns this.
Theoretically there’s 17 votes.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:31:12pm |
Apparently the weird traffic surges were stopped by adding all of China to the firewall. (Hopefully that won’t include wheatdogg.)
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:32:05pm |
re: #80 Charles Johnson
Apparently the weird traffic surges were stopped by adding all of China to the firewall.
You’re gonna need a bigger wall.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:32:32pm |
re: #80 Charles Johnson
Apparently the weird traffic surges were stopped by adding all of China to the firewall. (Hopefully that won’t include wheatdogg.)
I hope so!
My second reaction was someone outsourced the DOS to China?
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:34:36pm |
re: #45 Charles Johnson
A lot of this NSA hand-wringing is about dudebros trying to impress each other.
They’re all part of a clique. They share the same social class, education, mannerisms, work history (i.e. Salon, Atlantic, etc.) and even dress. It’s like going to a party and one group is hanging out in one side of the room and the other directly opposite of said group.
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makeitstop Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:35:07pm |
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:36:48pm |
re: #73 EPR-radar
I don’t think it’s quite that. After all, the Chicago School of economics is one of the main things that has fucked this country over. The people who run the banking firms are highly educated. The lobbyists who represent industry groups are very highly educated. Doctors are very highly educated, and some of them, hoo boy, the limits of their view is just astonishing. I think that a lot of it really is the corrosive effects of having to pander more and more to the creationists, which drives away not the highly educated but those who want to champion science, and champion certain kinds of social science.
I think that the GOP have more bachelor’s educated voters, and the Democrats more high-school educated; this is pretty much a direct proxy for the racial inequalities in our educational and economic systems. And you can get a bachelor’s and remain sadly, sadly ignorant.
I think that rather the GOP has become almost literally corrupted by the creationist and global-warming denying wing (who are heavily overlapped but not entirely the same thing) and that has really ruined them as a party, because weakening the US in regards to science is weakening the US. I don’t think they’re conspiring to try to deny education because they think it makes you vote Democrat, they want to deny education to the poor, the racially oppressed, and the indigent because, as a party, they exist to preserve white privilege and capital privilege.
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:37:59pm |
re: #75 Political Atheist
Blowing off the debt ceiling might not even need to use the 14th amendment as the authority.
Taxes are set by law. The president cannot alter these on a whim.
Appropriations are set by law. The president cannot alter these on a whim.
Stupidly, Congress has also enacted a debt ceiling into law.
There is a logical conflict here. It is as illegal for Obama to blow off the debt limit as it would be for him to send armed goons to Wall Street to shake bankers down for cash, or for Obama to decide that congressional districts having GOP representatives are where all the spending cuts need to be made.
If Obama necessarily has to do something illegal because of the logical conflict set up by Congress, then taking the path of least destruction is a no-brainer.
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:40:38pm |
re: #85 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
We’re probably both right. You’re describing the GOP establishment view on the subject, and I’m describing the tea bagger/GOP base view.
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Stoatly Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:41:13pm |
re: #65 dog philosopher
“yew must be onna them fellers from th’ city who talks too much”
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:42:22pm |
Ooh, and male privilege. Forgot about that. The GOP also exists to preserve male privilege, and heterosexual privilege, and Christian (of a very particular kind) privilege.
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GeneJockey Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:42:40pm |
re: #85 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
I don’t think it’s quite that. After all, the Chicago School of economics is one of the main things that has fucked this country over. The people who run the banking firms are highly educated. The lobbyists who represent industry groups are very highly educated. Doctors are very highly educated, and some of them, hoo boy, the limits of their view is just astonishing. I think that a lot of it really is the corrosive effects of having to pander more and more to the creationists, which drives away not the highly educated but those who want to champion science, and champion certain kinds of social science.
I think that the GOP have more bachelor’s educated voters, and the Democrats more high-school educated; this is pretty much a direct proxy for the racial inequalities in our educational and economic systems. And you can get a bachelor’s and remain sadly, sadly ignorant.
I think that rather the GOP has become almost literally corrupted by the creationist and global-warming denying wing (who are heavily overlapped but not entirely the same thing) and that has really ruined them as a party, because weakening the US in regards to science is weakening the US. I don’t think they’re conspiring to try to deny education because they think it makes you vote Democrat, they want to deny education to the poor, the racially oppressed, and the indigent because, as a party, they exist to preserve white privilege and capital privilege.
So, in essence, it’s not that they don’t know anything, it’s that everything they know is wrong.
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CarolJ Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:42:48pm |
re: #78 Justanotherhuman
And after yesterday, it’s too late. People are already signed onto new policies. The insurance companies have budgeted in the new applicants.
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ObserverArt Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:43:03pm |
re: #21 b.d.
Where has Ted Cruz been the last couple of days? He’s been awfully quiet or I have been reading the right things that don’t mention him.
I think he is practicing his Nero impression. I heard him tuning up.
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:44:51pm |
Hulu only has Star Trek: Enterprise for free with season 1 only. The rest is pay which nixes my binge viewing. That leaves CBS which has most of the them but sucky quality and 5 commercials per break. Including the horrible buffering from CBS.
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dog philosopher Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:45:13pm |
SpeakerBoehner: “You have to stop the insane increases in the debt limit. Inflation is soon going to kill us all.”
(runs away from giant orange inflation)
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:46:50pm |
Here President Warren Harding al fresco with Thomas Edison, Henry Ford & friends 1921: #LOC pic.twitter.com/kXCmsjIA0r— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) October 2, 2013
That’s one big ass lazy Susan.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:47:12pm |
I spent the LGF Sequester time responding to my Congresscritter on FB Thomas Massie.
It was an exercise in futility, much like any sane member of Congress trying to pound education into a Teabagger head.
After a couple of hours, I just gave up…
But I tried.
And I’m a registered REPUBLICAN (hangs my head in shame but it’s what I have to do to keep complete lunatics from being elected Sheriff in my county…)
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piratedan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:47:15pm |
re: #32 Vicious Babushka
one quibble on the Not Slavery side….. we’re not even “giving” it to them, we’re making it available for them to buy it…. so it’s not even a handout unless you’re so damn poor that you qualify for it to be one….. (which does happen to be a damn lot of folks)
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:48:41pm |
re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth
I spent the LGF Sequester time responding to my Congresscritter on FB Thomas Massie.
It was an exercise in futility, much like any sane member of Congress trying to pound education into a Teabagger head.
After a couple of hours, I just gave up…
But I tried.
And I’m a registered REPUBLICAN (hangs my head in shame but it’s what I have to do to keep complete lunatics from being elected Sheriff in my county…)
It’s ok, we forgive you for that.
Sometimes you have to acknowledge that that’s what needs to happen for having a voice in the primary.
That being said, when the Republican committees call, I do my best to politely tell them I’m not the spouse they want. Same for the Libertarian party.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:50:40pm |
Damn. francis found his way back.
Here’s your helpful reminder Lizards that 10 downvotes gets it off the sidebar!
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Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:51:55pm |
Dear Francis,
Please get a new hobby. Chainsaw carving looks fun.
kthnxbai
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:52:24pm |
re: #93 Gus
Hulu only has Star Trek: Enterprise for free with season 1 only. The rest is pay which nixes my binge viewing. That leaves CBS which has most of the them but sucky quality and 5 commercials per break. Including the horrible buffering from CBS.
CBS’s shit-poor video drives me up the wall so much I cannot bear to watch anything on there. I’m always teetering on the brink of canceling Netflix, too.
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:52:38pm |
re: #101 Amory Blaine
Dear Francis,
Please get a new hobby. Chainsaw carving looks fun.
kthnxbai
If not there’s always balloon animals.
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AlexRogan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:52:40pm |
re: #101 Amory Blaine
Dear Francis,
Please get a new hobby. Chainsaw carving looks fun.
kthnxbai
Also, underwater basket weaving.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:54:16pm |
re: #100 klys
Damn. francis found his way back.
Here’s your helpful reminder Lizards that 10 downvotes gets it off the sidebar!
He must have dropped out of 4th grade, when everybody else was learning how laws are made.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:54:23pm |
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RadicalModerate Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:54:27pm |
Some early-evening humor:
This might be one of the best drive-thru pranks performed this year.
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makeitstop Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:54:46pm |
re: #100 klys
Damn. francis found his way back.
Here’s your helpful reminder Lizards that 10 downvotes gets it off the sidebar!
I note with some surprise that I’ve yet to read a single thing that Francis has posted here.
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EmmaAnne Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:55:15pm |
re: #58 elizajane
I just need to quote Ed Kilgore one more time:
Now I don’t know anything about the president’s relationship with Boehner. But it’s becoming a matter of national security for him to find some way to take him aside, maybe give the Speaker a cigarette from his secret stash, and say: “I will see you in Hell before I negotiate over the debt limit. And if you let a default happen, I will devote the rest of my presidency to making sure you, personally, bear the blame, and go down in history with our most despised traitors and criminals. For generations, little school children in Ohio will cross themselves and make hex signs when your name is mentioned. So do not, do not, go back and tell your crazy people they can win if they just stick together.”
Happy sigh …
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:55:45pm |
Galactic Monsoon, Horse Point State Park in Utah, USA #EarthPics pic.twitter.com/JcTLmIXzhW— Google Earth Pics (@GoogleEarthPics) October 2, 2013
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:55:45pm |
re: #105 Vicious Babushka
He must have dropped out of 4th grade, when everybody else was learning how laws are made.
I will grant him that he at least seems to understand the need for everyone to be signed up.
This is more than can be said for a lot of Republicans.
Of course, it comes after the rest of the bullshit in the letter.
I wonder what the poor WH intern assigned to read these does with them.
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Skip Intro Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:55:47pm |
It’s looking like the insane bastards may actually do it.
As he left the White House, I asked @SpeakerBoehner if there will be a default — no answer.
— Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) October 2, 2013
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Stoatly Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:56:05pm |
re: #90 GeneJockey
So, in essence, it’s not that they don’t know anything, it’s that everything they know is wrong.
Not everything…
What do Christian fundamentalists have against set theory?
In my experience, when the schools I went to followed actual facts, they did a good job in education. Small class sizes, lots of hands-on, lots of writing, and lots of time spent teaching to learn rather than teaching to a standardized test. But when they decided that the facts were ungodly, things went to crazytown pretty damn quick.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:56:08pm |
re: #108 makeitstop
I note with some surprise that I’ve yet to read a single thing that Francis has posted here.
Keep it that way. You’ll be happier.
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Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:56:12pm |
Really idiotic comments on this.
Reid says Pres Obama was “very strong strong strong” in the meeting and made clear he “will not stand” for GOP tactics on ObamaCare.— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) October 2, 2013
Amazing how many really stupid people live in the US.
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ObserverArt Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:56:25pm |
re: #80 Charles Johnson
Apparently the weird traffic surges were stopped by adding all of China to the firewall. (Hopefully that won’t include wheatdogg.)
This reminds me, thanks for all the work you put into coding and running this site. I know how much a challenge it can be, and how the smallest things can cause the biggest problems. I think that is Murphy’s Law on Digital Machines.
And then there is the database communication…
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:56:37pm |
re: #114 Stoatly
Not everything…
INFINITE INFINITIES SOMEHOW MEANS GOD IS DEAD.
Or at least that’s what I’ve parsed.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:56:38pm |
So yesterday, dipshit wingnut cousin posted a series of status updates where he took a quote from the Healthcare.gov website in the other available languages, You know, “just in case some Americans forget how to speak English.” We’re a Latino family, with deep Mexican roots. Some of our own relatives don’t even speak English and a few of those live and work here in the States. But they’re learning the language slowly and trying to get better at it.
Almost immediately, dipshit got called on it by a couple of other cousins, saying that he was really skirting the line. His excuse? It was just an un-PC joke and it was okay because he didn’t use the Spanish text. I called bullshit and reminded him that unless he was a full-blooded Native American that grew up on the rez, he was a descendant of immigrants too, and that implying that people who speak more than one language are somehow less American is stupid in a globally connected world.
My reward? He unfriended me. Haha. I can’t complain. I’ve heard from other relatives that they think he’s ashamed of being Latino and that he irritates them too. He’s also got a pattern of unfriending and refriending people so he can play the martyr.
He’s family, but I don’t have to like his ideas. I won’t lose sleep at all.
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RealityBasedSteve Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:58:16pm |
YEA!!!!! Happy Dance!!!! I just made a new pen this evening, black titanium and Platinum with a white jasper body and it’s gorgeous. I may not want to sell this one, may end up in my pocket. (Hard to run a little hobby business when you keep keeping all your product for yourself) Having LGF back makes the evening complete.
RBS
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:58:27pm |
*HEADDESK*
NEGOTIATE WHAT, WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE GOING TO DROWN THE BAG OF KITTEHS?
ICYMI: I just spoke w/ @ErinBurnett on @CNN & continued to offer to negotiate, but a negotiation involves 2 parties. http://t.co/B1WSy2RcYf— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) October 2, 2013
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compound_Idaho Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:58:46pm |
re: #86 EPR-radar
Blowing off the debt ceiling might not even need to use the 14th amendment as the authority.
Taxes are set by law. The president cannot alter these on a whim.
Appropriations are set by law. The president cannot alter these on a whim.
Stupidly, Congress has also enacted a debt ceiling into law.
There is a logical conflict here. It is as illegal for Obama to blow off the debt limit as it would be for him to send armed goons to Wall Street to shake bankers down for cash, or for Obama to decide that congressional districts having GOP representatives are where all the spending cuts need to be made.
If Obama necessarily has to do something illegal because of the logical conflict set up by Congress, then taking the path of least destruction is a no-brainer.
He doesn’t need to alter alter any law, He can simply choose not to enforce them.
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dog philosopher Wed, Oct 2, 2013 4:59:22pm |
o.t. but worth repeating
” I know it is already a law and an unpopular law”
The poll indicates that Obamacare is not popular, with 57% saying they oppose the law, up 3 points from May, and 38% saying they support the measure, down five points from May.
But only about four in 10 oppose it because it is too liberal, with about one in 10 saying they don’t like the law because it is not liberal enough.
If you add the 38% who favor the law to the 11% to oppose the law because it’s not liberal enough, you get 49%, compared with the 39% who say they oppose the law because it’s too liberal.
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b_sharp Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:00:20pm |
re: #120 RealityBasedSteve
YEA!!!!! Happy Dance!!!! I just made a new pen this evening, black titanium and Platinum with a white jasper body and it’s gorgeous. I may not want to sell this one, may end up in my pocket. (Hard to run a little hobby business when you keep keeping all your product for yourself) Having LGF back makes the evening complete.
RBS
Pics or it didn’t happen.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:01:00pm |
I talked vague things about the shutdown with my mother yesterday. She’s peeved. My uncle is furloughed.
For all that she is an R-leaning independent, she’s not happy with them and seems to know where to put the blame.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:01:33pm |
re: #119 Lidane
I love reminding racists around me (Milwaukee) that there were a dozen papers printed in German here.
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:01:46pm |
re: #123 compound_Idaho
He doesn’t need to alter alter any law, He can simply choose not to enforce them.
Not really. The President’s job is to faithfully execute the laws. If Congress makes that impossible by setting up a contradiction, something illegal is going to happen. It may as well be the least destructive option.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:01:47pm |
re: #10 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
There’s an honest-to-god Republican in one of my classes. Except… he’s not a Republican like the bunch of shirtshows staing the meltdown. He’s opposed to the government shutdown, and blames ‘30 representatives’ and somehow doesn’t think it reflects badly on the rest of the GOP.
I asked him his opinion on basically every plank of the GOP, and he opposed them. He didn’t know they were the GOP planks. He didn’t know the GOP supported creationism in schools, he thought the percentage of our budget we sent as foreign aid was like 10%, etc. He’s being— rather gently— informed by the professor how wrong he is in the way he thinks the US government works and what we spend our money on, and he’s actually changing his mind and adopting the new info. It’s kind of fascinating, and pretty nifty to see. For some reason he likes talking to me, and tomorrow I’m going to try to get him to really, really take a look at the shudown, at just how cowardly and dangerous it is, how much it is holding party above country in the worst and most despicable way on the part of the GOP, and not just 30 dudes.
He’s an alright kid. I think he grew up in the Hamptons surrounded by incessant whisperings of privilege, but he actually thinks about stuff.
He didn’t immediately assume you were trying to convert him to satan’s path and start yelling OReilly Talking Points at the top of his lungs?
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b_sharp Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:02:38pm |
re: #125 dog philosopher
o.t. but worth repeating
” I know it is already a law and an unpopular law”
The poll indicates that Obamacare is not popular, with 57% saying they oppose the law, up 3 points from May, and 38% saying they support the measure, down five points from May.
But only about four in 10 oppose it because it is too liberal, with about one in 10 saying they don’t like the law because it is not liberal enough.
If you add the 38% who favor the law to the 11% to oppose the law because it’s not liberal enough, you get 49%, compared with the 39% who say they oppose the law because it’s too liberal.
Yup. I’ve made this point before, but I just get “It doesn’t matter why it’s unpopular, it’s still unpopular”
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Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:02:39pm |
re: #128 Amory Blaine
I mean in the past when there were loads of German immigrants here who, you know, couldn’t speak english.
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AlexRogan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:03:45pm |
re: #130 FemNaziBitch
He didn’t immediately assume you were trying to convert him to satan’s path and start yelling OReilly Talking Points at the top of his lungs?
“The power of Christ compels you!”
/
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ObserverArt Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:04:39pm |
re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth
I spent the LGF Sequester time responding to my Congresscritter on FB Thomas Massie.
It was an exercise in futility, much like any sane member of Congress trying to pound education into a Teabagger head.
After a couple of hours, I just gave up…
But I tried.
And I’m a registered REPUBLICAN (hangs my head in shame but it’s what I have to do to keep complete lunatics from being elected Sheriff in my county…)
No need for you to hang your head. America needs real Republicans. And everyone and the Republican Party needs Republicans that don’t use the party as a blind fold preventing them from letting light in when needed. Right now I should think all good Republicans should be pissed, certainly not meek or ashamed.
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calochortus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:04:46pm |
re: #125 dog philosopher
o.t. but worth repeating
” I know it is already a law and an unpopular law”
The poll indicates that Obamacare is not popular, with 57% saying they oppose the law, up 3 points from May, and 38% saying they support the measure, down five points from May.
But only about four in 10 oppose it because it is too liberal, with about one in 10 saying they don’t like the law because it is not liberal enough.
If you add the 38% who favor the law to the 11% to oppose the law because it’s not liberal enough, you get 49%, compared with the 39% who say they oppose the law because it’s too liberal.
Cannot be said too often, along with my particular hobby horse-The compromise already occurred before the ACA became law. It’s why we don’t have single payer.
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calochortus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:05:15pm |
re: #132 Amory Blaine
I mean in the past when there were loads of German immigrants here who, you know, couldn’t speak english.
And people worried about that too.
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dog philosopher Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:06:11pm |
Ted Cruz faced a barrage of hostile questions Wednesday from angry GOP senators, who lashed the Texas tea party freshman for helping prompt a government shutdown crisis without a strategy to end it.
At a closed-door lunch meeting in the Senate’s Mansfield Room, Republican after Republican pressed Cruz to explain how he would propose to end the bitter budget impasse with Democrats, according to senators who attended the meeting. A defensive Cruz had no clear plan to force an end to the shutdown — or explain how he would defund Obamacare, as he has demanded all along, sources said.
Things got particularly heated when Cruz was asked point-blank if he would renounce attacks waged on GOP senators by the Senate Conservatives Fund, an outside group that has aligned itself closely with the Texas senator.
Cruz’s response: “I will not,” according to an attendee.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:07:01pm |
re: #52 Political Atheist
Good to hear. Diligence, +good brain +good tools works well.
I feel ya. I never passed Algebra II but I do some thick math flipping alloys. Like take a half kilo of 18k rose and add the metals to make it 14kt in a specific yellow tint. BTW if you’d like to metal/shop chat sometime, go to pmwest.us and you’ll see my work email. I do use email and the PMW blog to get the metal nerd on.
I’d like to submit my official objection to rose gold.
I don’t like it.
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Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:07:11pm |
Ted Cruz blasted by angry GOP colleagues
“Ted Cruz faced a barrage of hostile questions Wednesday from angry GOP senators, who lashed the Texas tea party freshman for helping prompt a government shutdown crisis without a strategy to end it.
“At a closed-door lunch meeting in the Senate’s Mansfield Room, Republican after Republican pressed Cruz to explain how he would propose to end the bitter budget impasse with Democrats, according to senators who attended the meeting. A defensive Cruz had no clear plan to force an end to the shutdown — or explain how he would defund Obamacare, as he has demanded all along, sources said.
Things got particularly heated when Cruz was asked point-blank if he would renounce attacks waged on GOP senators by the Senate Conservatives Fund, an outside group that has aligned itself closely with the Texas senator.*
Read more: politico.com
*No, I will not, said Cruz…
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ObserverArt Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:08:06pm |
re: #106 Rev_Arthur_Belling
Why do you people hate chainsaws, baskets and balloons so much?
Because they too can be used to murder, so if you take away our guns, you had better eliminate chainsaws, baskets and balloons, or only criminals will have chainsaws, baskets and balloons.
///
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CuriousLurker Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:09:15pm |
re: #49 Charles Johnson
When you hobnob with the hoi polloi you run the risk of getting hoity toity.
What happens when you go rabble-rousing with the rambunctious riffraff?
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:10:08pm |
re: #63 lawhawk
Debt ceiling is a relatively recent invention, but there was a way of handling this without the kind of nonsense we’re seeing now. The Gephardt rule would essentially combine debt ceiling with appropriations since the appropriations process necessarily leads to a potential debt ceiling issue.
If you approve appropriations, you’re necessarily approving a corresponding increase in the debt ceiling if the budget requires the increase.
Wait, you mean that before one allocates the funds from the future income (taxes) one must first assure that the funds can be covered by debt incase the future income isn’t realized?
That makes too much sense.
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piratedan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:11:30pm |
re: #139 Justanotherhuman
well…. I guess we can only wait and watch until Orrin Hatch beats him down on the floor of the Senate with an ivory handled cane….
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calochortus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:11:52pm |
re: #141 CuriousLurker
What happens when you go rabble-rousing with the rambunctious riffraff?
Hilarity ensues?
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:11:59pm |
re: #118 klys
INFINITE INFINITIES SOMEHOW MEANS GOD IS DEAD.
Or at least that’s what I’ve parsed.
If a wing nut could be made to understand what a fractal is (e.g., the Mandelbrot set), would it be rejected as theologically unacceptable? Inquiring minds need to know.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:12:05pm |
re: #70 EPR-radar
The Gephardt rule is a sensible way of dealing with it, but the debt ceiling itself remains stupid. The only public policy knobs that are available are taxes and appropriations. The debt is the result of these policies over time. Trying to pass an independent law specifying the debt ceiling really is very much like trying to legislate that
3(taxes) - 5(appropriations) = 0(debt).
They could just call it “credit limit”, I think that would solve a lot of problems that are solely the result of political rhetoric.
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piratedan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:12:20pm |
re: #141 CuriousLurker
What happens when you go rabble-rousing with the rambunctious riffraff?
I’m hoping that haute cuisine will somehow be involved, with petit fours and stuff…..
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Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:13:08pm |
re: #144 piratedan
Garrrh and some handsome scrimshaw adorns the magnificent staff.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:13:27pm |
re: #138 FemNaziBitch
I’d like to submit my official objection to rose gold.
I don’t like it.
I like it as a contrast accent.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:13:33pm |
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darthstar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:13:34pm |
BREAKING: @SpeakerBoehner negotiating Grand Bargain with Paul Ryan. President Romney expected to sign the bill. #wecanstillwinohio— BWD (@theonlyadult) October 3, 2013
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:14:12pm |
re: #146 EPR-radar
If a wing nut could be made to understand what a fractal is (e.g., the Mandelbrot set), would it be rejected as theologically unacceptable? Inquiring minds need to know.
I leave it to you to explain it to them.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:14:13pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:15:08pm |
re: #141 CuriousLurker
What happens when you go rabble-rousing with the rambunctious riffraff?
Prefer to hang with the hooge moogende, myself.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:15:12pm |
re: #85 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
I don’t think it’s quite that. After all, the Chicago School of economics is one of the main things that has fucked this country over. The people who run the banking firms are highly educated. The lobbyists who represent industry groups are very highly educated. Doctors are very highly educated, and some of them, hoo boy, the limits of their view is just astonishing. I think that a lot of it really is the corrosive effects of having to pander more and more to the creationists, which drives away not the highly educated but those who want to champion science, and champion certain kinds of social science.
Who is it that keeps telling us that economics and finance are two different trains that never, never meet?
In other words, one is philosophy and one is reality.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:15:15pm |
re: #99 klys
It’s ok, we forgive you for that.
Sometimes you have to acknowledge that that’s what needs to happen for having a voice in the primary.
That being said, when the Republican committees call, I do my best to politely tell them I’m not the spouse they want. Same for the Libertarian party.
exactly! every local office here is decided in the Republican primary. I wish the Dems here would just ONCE put up a sane candidate, but they don’t.
OTOH, we’ve had quite a few Republicans change parties since Massie took office as Congresscritter (and he LIVES IN THIS COUNTY!)
I’m taking a cautious wait and see attitude, even though the county Democratic party asked me to be chair earlier this year (they got another Republican to switch parties to take that position, that’s how bad it is here).
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:15:31pm |
re: #147 FemNaziBitch
They could just call it “credit limit”, I think that would solve a lot of problems that are solely the result of political rhetoric.
No change in name can undo the stupidity of independently legislating three things that are mathematically coupled such that there are only two independent variables.
This is the only case where I’m in favor of the household finances analogy: “Honey, its dog food for dinner for the next year because I don’t want to work harder, and I don’t want to accept the bank’s offer of new credit in excess of the 10K we presently owe.”
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Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:16:00pm |
They could rename it to the Super Patriot Jesus Eagle fund. Opposition melts.
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RealityBasedSteve Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:16:00pm |
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:16:13pm |
re: #89 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Ooh, and male privilege. Forgot about that. The GOP also exists to preserve male privilege, and heterosexual privilege, and Christian (of a very particular kind) privilege.
WASP-M Club
White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant-Male
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:16:24pm |
Geez, they’re just now realizing the TP had no plan to end the shut down?
Hint, all they wanted was the shut down.
Morans.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:16:49pm |
OK, the bottom line on this outage: it doesn’t seem to be a deliberate DOS attack, but kind of a “poor man’s DOS.” We got swarmed by a fucking shitload (that’s the technical term) of bots and crawlers from China, trying to load every resource on the site directly. Probably not deliberate, but just as much of a pain in the ass as a real DOS attack.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:17:22pm |
re: #96 Gus
[Embedded content]
That’s one big ass lazy Susan.
dim sum?
There is an asian name for it.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:17:45pm |
re: #161 FemNaziBitch
WASP-M Club
White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant-Male
We were wicked (WICD—White Irish-Catholic Democrats). We didn’t mix well with WASPs.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:17:54pm |
That’s a mighty fine writing instrument there. Congrats well done.
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piratedan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:17:56pm |
re: #162 Varek Raith
Geez, they’re just now realizing the TP had no plan to end the shut down?
Hint, all they wanted was the shut down.
Morans.
why would they ever want to start it back up? after all, THEY’RE STILL getting paid aren’t they?
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:18:03pm |
re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth
exactly! every local office here is decided in the Republican primary. I wish the Dems here would just ONCE put up a sane candidate, but they don’t.
OTOH, we’ve had quite a few Republicans change parties since Massie took office as Congresscritter (and he LIVES IN THIS COUNTY!)
I’m taking a cautious wait and see attitude, even though the county Democratic party asked me to be chair earlier this year (they got another Republican to switch parties to take that position, that’s how bad it is here).
I am grateful that CA had an open primary for Democrats (not to mention whatever the mess is now, I really should know this…) so that I could vote in it without having to register as one.
I mean, I know which way I lean, but I rather prefer to register as an independent, thanks.
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dog philosopher Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:18:21pm |
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ObserverArt Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:18:32pm |
re: #141 CuriousLurker
What happens when you go rabble-rousing with the rambunctious riffraff?
Put this all to a modernized Cab Calloway music and it could be fun.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:18:53pm |
Glad we’re back up, had a disturbingly productive day.
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Major Tom Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:19:10pm |
Yeah, I figured Charles was in the bowels of LGF’s higher learning center. Fumbling with a hydrospanner to get one of the back-up generators online to power the pneumatic tube systems indispensable to the function of any modern website…
Obviously I know nothing of what you do. Good to have you back.
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b_sharp Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:19:21pm |
re: #164 Charles Johnson
OK, the bottom line on this outage: it doesn’t seem to be a deliberate DOS attack, but kind of a “poor man’s DOS.” We got swarmed by a fucking shitload (that’s the technical term) of bots and crawlers from China, trying to load every resource on the site directly. Probably not deliberate, but just as much of a pain in the ass as a real DOS attack.
Made in China. Is everything made there?
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RealityBasedSteve Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:19:36pm |
re: #166 b_sharp
Very nice. Is that cherry under it?
The piece under it is some rosewood veneer sample and the block behind it is black palm. The rosewood is for some experiments I’m doing with sectioning and inlays.
RBS
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:19:43pm |
re: #164 Charles Johnson
OK, the bottom line on this outage: it doesn’t seem to be a deliberate DOS attack, but kind of a “poor man’s DOS.” We got swarmed by a fucking shitload (that’s the technical term) of bots and crawlers from China, trying to load every resource on the site directly. Probably not deliberate, but just as much of a pain in the ass as a real DOS attack.
What normal activity could cause this? China’s state search engine refreshing its caches all at once?
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:20:42pm |
re: #165 FemNaziBitch
dim sum?
There is an asian name for it.
Get drunk and start spinning it and spinning it until all the food goes flying off! //
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:20:50pm |
re: #125 dog philosopher
o.t. but worth repeating
” I know it is already a law and an unpopular law”
The poll indicates that Obamacare is not popular, with 57% saying they oppose the law, up 3 points from May, and 38% saying they support the measure, down five points from May.
But only about four in 10 oppose it because it is too liberal, with about one in 10 saying they don’t like the law because it is not liberal enough.
If you add the 38% who favor the law to the 11% to oppose the law because it’s not liberal enough, you get 49%, compared with the 39% who say they oppose the law because it’s too liberal.
As I understand it, the ACA is a popular law, Obamacare is not.
I think I got that right -no?
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:21:30pm |
Part of the feedback I just offered the professor of the proofs class:
More LOLCATs in lecture can’t hurt.
He’s already put up …3? 4?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:21:38pm |
Hosting Matters actually got the Network Operations Center to put in some upstream filtering as well, so the bogus Chinese traffic never even gets to our servers now.
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b_sharp Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:21:47pm |
re: #176 RealityBasedSteve
The piece under it is some rosewood veneer sample and the block behind it is black palm. The rosewood is for some experiments I’m doing with sectioning and inlays.
RBS
I have a chunk of cherry that looks just like that.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:22:11pm |
re: #141 CuriousLurker
What happens when you go rabble-rousing with the rambunctious riffraff?
You have a lot more fun, but still have to go to work the next day.
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ObserverArt Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:23:14pm |
re: #164 Charles Johnson
OK, the bottom line on this outage: it doesn’t seem to be a deliberate DOS attack, but kind of a “poor man’s DOS.” We got swarmed by a fucking shitload (that’s the technical term) of bots and crawlers from China, trying to load every resource on the site directly. Probably not deliberate, but just as much of a pain in the ass as a real DOS attack.
Might be the Chinese version of the NSA out looking for political dissidents.
Or, fascinated by this freedom thing where a site like this even exists.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:23:25pm |
re: #146 EPR-radar
If a wing nut could be made to understand what a fractal is (e.g., the Mandelbrot set), would it be rejected as theologically unacceptable? Inquiring minds need to know.
Ok, I don’t understand Mandelbrots, but I still like to look at them on the computer screen. Is that ok?
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:23:57pm |
re: #150 klys
I like it as a contrast accent.
It can look nice with certain stones, but terrible against my skin.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:24:52pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:25:03pm |
The Guardian is currently sitting on several stories because GCHQ and the White House have asked them to do so. What cowards.— Jacob Appelbaum (@ioerror) October 3, 2013
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:25:08pm |
re: #188 FemNaziBitch
It can look nice with certain stones, but terrible against my skin.
That’s fair.
I tend towards white gold/platinum a lot (silver tarnishes in hot springs and I’m horrible at remembering to take off jewelry), but I have exactly one yellow-gold ring.
I don’t think I own anything in rose gold at all.
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compound_Idaho Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:25:43pm |
re: #129 EPR-radar
Not really. The President’s job is to faithfully execute the laws. If Congress makes that impossible by setting up a contradiction, something illegal is going to happen. It may as well be the least destructive option.
I should have included the sarcasm tags. The president has chosen to not enforce a number of aspects of ACA via delays not authorized in the law.
One example is caps on out-of-pocket insurance costs, such as co-pays and deductibles. Annual limits on cost-sharing specified in ACA are limited to $2,000 per year for individual plans, and $4,000 per year for family plans. I cannot find any such limits on plans in available in the exchange. Some reporting requirement for businesses and individuals have also been waive/ignored without any legal authority.
These changes may be necessary and justified, but you have to go to congress to get the changes made.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:26:02pm |
re: #167 Decatur Deb
We were wicked (WICD—White Irish-Catholic Democrats). We didn’t mix well with WASPs.
I’m your run of the mill GDI. -God-Damned (literally) Independent.
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RealityBasedSteve Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:26:02pm |
re: #164 Charles Johnson
OK, the bottom line on this outage: it doesn’t seem to be a deliberate DOS attack, but kind of a “poor man’s DOS.” We got swarmed by a fucking shitload (that’s the technical term) of bots and crawlers from China, trying to load every resource on the site directly. Probably not deliberate, but just as much of a pain in the ass as a real DOS attack.
I once wrote a DDOS routine for a co-worker of mine that was teaching a network security class. The app looked friendly, a binary - hex - decimal converter, but once started it did a brute force ping attack against a specific IP address (Located in the classroom). Thing was, when you closed the app, the attack continued. This was running on about 20 machines in the room, with a minimum of 10 instances each. Since the room wasn’t going to be connected to the rest of the network for this, we weren’t too concerned. Problem was that without thinking he put the room back on the network, and since the computer it was targeting was turned off at that point, it flooded our network to something like 90%+ Capacity and absolutely crashed our production network at 3 pm on the last sales day of the month. One of 2 times I really thought my door card wouldn’t work the next morning.
RBS
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:26:09pm |
re: #187 FemNaziBitch
Ok, I don’t understand Mandelbrots, but I still like to look at them on the computer screen. Is that ok?
I can’t imagine you rejecting reality like a wingnut would, because you’re not a wingnut.
As for not understanding the Mandelbrot set, nobody is born knowing that. If I find the time/energy I may do a page on the topic. I do like to generate the images.
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Randall Gross Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:26:15pm |
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:26:47pm |
re: #174 Major Tom
Yeah, I figured Charles was in the bowels of LGF’s higher learning center. Fumbling with a hydrospanner to get one of the back-up generators online to power the pneumatic tube systems indispensable to the function of any modern website…
Obviously I know nothing of what you do. Good to have you back.
Silly, he was interviewing new hamsters.
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RealityBasedSteve Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:26:56pm |
re: #184 b_sharp
I have a chunk of cherry that looks just like that.
I’ve got a couple of chunks of cherry that I’m letting dry a bit, should make some pretty bowls.
RBS.
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ObserverArt Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:27:19pm |
re: #194 RealityBasedSteve
I once wrote a DDOS routine for a co-worker of mine that was teaching a network security class. The app looked friendly, a binary - hex - decimal converter, but once started it did a brute force ping attack against a specific IP address (Located in the classroom). Thing was, when you closed the app, the attack continued. Since the room wasn’t going to be connected to the rest of the network for this, we weren’t too concerned. Problem was that without thinking he put the room back on the network, and since the computer it was targeting was turned off at that point, it flooded our network to something like 90%+ Capacity and absolutely crashed our production network at 3 pm on the last sales day of the month. One of 2 times I really thought my door card wouldn’t work the next morning.
RBS
I’m sweating just reading that.
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:27:50pm |
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:28:26pm |
re: #191 klys
That’s fair.
I tend towards white gold/platinum a lot (silver tarnishes in hot springs and I’m horrible at remembering to take off jewelry), but I have exactly one yellow-gold ring.
I don’t think I own anything in rose gold at all.
I posted a few photos a while back of some rose gold jewelry that was my grandfather’s. Can dredge them up if you’re interested. (That’s also where I mis-identified a GSA pin of my mother’s as being some Masonic…)
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:28:29pm |
re: #191 klys
That’s fair.
I tend towards white gold/platinum a lot (silver tarnishes in hot springs and I’m horrible at remembering to take off jewelry), but I have exactly one yellow-gold ring.
I don’t think I own anything in rose gold at all.
18K Yellow Gold and D-G vvsi Diamonds.
NOTHING BETTER
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Randall Gross Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:28:40pm |
re: #190 Charles Johnson
They are really sitting on their non news because they know everyone will ignore their newsless puff pastries during the government shut down.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:28:43pm |
re: #198 RealityBasedSteve
I’ve got a couple of chunks of cherry that I’m letting dry a bit, should make some pretty bowls.
RBS.
I’ve got some 50+ year old mahogany salvaged from some old utility pole crossarms that were headed to the dump. Want a chunk?
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:29:30pm |
re: #195 EPR-radar
I can’t image you rejecting reality like a wingnut would, because you’re not a wingnut.
As for not understanding the Mandelbrot set, nobody is born knowing that. If I find the time/energy I may do a page on the topic. I do like to generate the images.
It would be very interesting to read, but please understand I still have a hard time with “reverse and multiply”
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:29:40pm |
re: #192 compound_Idaho
I should have included the sarcasm tags. The president has chosen to not enforce a number of aspects of ACA via delays not authorized in the law.
One example is caps on out-of-pocket insurance costs, such as co-pays and deductibles. Annual limits on cost-sharing specified in ACA are limited to $2,000 per year for individual plans, and $4,000 per year for family plans. I cannot find any such limits on plans in available in the exchange. Some reporting requirement for businesses and individuals have also been waive/ignored without any legal authority.
These changes may be necessary and justified, but you have to go to congress to get the changes made.
Much of FDR’s emergency program was subsequently overturned by the courts. Fortunately, it had saved the country by then.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:30:19pm |
Wow…this place gets busy after the servers are all fired up again. I go out to plant four geraniums in the flower bed to surprise my wife, and there are another 53 comments when I get back.
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AlexRogan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:30:22pm |
re: #172 ObserverArt
Put this all too a modernized Cab Calloway music and it could be fun.
If someone would put together a proper satirical version of “Minnie the Moocher” to pillory the TPGOPers with, it would be so awesome.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:30:28pm |
OK, got the bamboo bike back on the road. Now I have to go home and take care of the one I shared my virus with.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:30:48pm |
re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth
I’ve got some 50+ year old mahogany salvaged from some old utility pole crossarms that were headed to the dump. Want a chunk?
I got a couple of wood pieces my Dear Old Dad was aging. Maybe one of my grandchildren will someday be into wood working.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:31:06pm |
re: #202 Feline Fearless Leader
I posted a few photos a while back of some rose gold jewelry that was my grandfather’s. Can dredge them up if you’re interested. (That’s also where I mis-identified a GSA pin of my mother’s as being some Masonic…)
GSA = Girl Scouts of America?
re: #203 FemNaziBitch
18K Yellow Gold and D-G vvsi Diamonds.
NOTHING BETTER
I am meh on diamonds.
My engagement ring is sapphire with two tiny accent diamonds. My wedding ring nestles inside it, with two tiny diamonds and a tiny sapphire.
I have a nice benitoite necklace. Two tanzanite rings.
That’s the daily jewelry. (I am one of those put it on, never take it off people. Unless there’s a good reason. Like raw meat.)
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:31:46pm |
re: #208 darthstar
Wow…this place gets busy after the servers are all fired up again. I go out to plant four geraniums in the flower bed to surprise my wife, and there are another 53 comments when I get back.
We were in withdrawals. Twitter just doesn’t scratch the itch.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:31:57pm |
re: #198 RealityBasedSteve
I’ve got a couple of chunks of cherry that I’m letting dry a bit, should make some pretty bowls.
RBS.
Decades ago at a festival in Eastern Kentucky, Wife asked Homer Ledford how he set out to make a dulcimer.
“First, I find a likely cherry tree…”
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:32:08pm |
re: #206 FemNaziBitch
It would be very interesting to read, but please understand I still have a hard time with “reverse and multiply”
The only math(*) needed to generate Mandelbrot set images is addition, multiplication and counting.
(*) Of complex numbers, unfortunately.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:32:17pm |
re: #177 EPR-radar
What normal activity could cause this? China’s state search engine refreshing its caches all at once?
We’ll probably never know. It will remain one of life’s mysteries.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:32:53pm |
re: #215 EPR-radar
The only math(*) needed to generate Mandelbrot set images is addition, multiplication and counting.
(*) Of complex numbers, unfortunately.
Yeah, I’m not good at that. :0
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Eclectic Cyborg Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:32:57pm |
re: #164 Charles Johnson
OK, the bottom line on this outage: it doesn’t seem to be a deliberate DOS attack, but kind of a “poor man’s DOS.” We got swarmed by a fucking shitload (that’s the technical term) of bots and crawlers from China, trying to load every resource on the site directly. Probably not deliberate, but just as much of a pain in the ass as a real DOS attack.
Good lord, they’re outsourcing DOS attacks now!
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:33:00pm |
I am debating between probably cherry and koa for my harp. (Leaning koa, but it’s $$$.)
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compound_Idaho Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:33:17pm |
re: #207 Decatur Deb
Much of FDR’s emergency program was subsequently overturned by the courts. Fortunately, it had saved the country by then.
and the trains ran on time?
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:33:24pm |
It is totally disgusting to watch The Guardian try to throw @ggreenwald and others under the bus. This strategy will backfire and badly.— Jacob Appelbaum (@ioerror) October 3, 2013
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:34:17pm |
re: #220 compound_Idaho
and the trains ran on time?
Italian trains always ran on time—Ferrovia Time.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:34:20pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:34:24pm |
re: #221 Gus
[Embedded content]
Really? The Guardian’s throwing Greenwald under the bus?
Where’s my popcorn?
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Eclectic Cyborg Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:34:52pm |
re: #175 b_sharp
Heard a good joke awhile back from a stand up comedian about his troubles finding replacement clothes in the Orient when his luggage went missing.
“How can I not find clothes in China? Everything’s made there!”
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PhillyPretzel Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:35:25pm |
re: #224 Charles Johnson
::: fresh popped corn :::: for Charles.
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:35:34pm |
re: #224 Charles Johnson
Really? The Guardian’s throwing Greenwald under the bus?
Where’s my popcorn?
Hilarious. I couldn’t resist a RT.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:36:02pm |
re: #213 FemNaziBitch
We were in withdrawals. Twitter just doesn’t scratch the itch.
Indeed. I go through twitter in short sprints. I’m good for reading about 40-50 tweets and typing a few replies, but then I burn out and have to take a break.
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:36:20pm |
napping in a sock pic.twitter.com/wj2Dp7yGQ9— Emergency Kittens (@EmrgencyKittens) October 3, 2013
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RealityBasedSteve Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:36:21pm |
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darthstar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:36:35pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:37:27pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:37:39pm |
re: #196 Randall Gross
Does your host co. have the latest blocklist from SANS in?
You wouldn’t believe how many CIDRs it takes to block the whole country of China. Tens of thousands.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:37:55pm |
I’ve been donating my time to the local Domestic Violence Shelter and Rape Crisis Center (as you all know). My current project is to enter the contact info from a bunch of collected business cards into the database. I do it from home and save it on a harddrive. Easy-busy work.
I haven’t done this type of data entry for 30? years.
I forgot how boring it was.
Still easy enough and they don’t have the $$ to hire someone and one can’t properly fundraise without a database … .
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darthstar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:38:00pm |
re: #223 FemNaziBitch
I thought that was an urban legend-no?
Oh, the visible from space part…apparently it is, but not as easy to see as blacktop in a desert.
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:38:03pm |
@dynatime Evidence that I've been asked to comment by the Guardian about Tor? My word is the evidence, it is about my experience with them.— Jacob Appelbaum (@ioerror) October 3, 2013
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:38:50pm |
re: #235 FemNaziBitch
I’ve been donating my time to the local Domestic Violence Shelter and Rape Crisis Center (as you all know). My current project is to enter the contact info from a bunch of collected business cards into the database. I do it from home and save it on a harddrive. Easy-busy work.
I haven’t done this type of data entry for 30? years.
I forgot how boring it was.
Still easy enough and they don’t have the $$ to hire someone and one can’t properly fundraise without a database … .
This is why you get a scanner with text recognition software. /cough
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RealityBasedSteve Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:39:09pm |
re: #219 klys
I am debating between probably cherry and koa for my harp. (Leaning koa, but it’s $$$.)
Koa is beautiful, but everytime I’ve had a chance to score some really well figured stuff it’s gone before I can act. Right now I’m looking at getting some 3500+ y/o bog oak (with carbon dating certificate). Should be able to charge a nice premium for that.
RBS
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:39:17pm |
re: #238 klys
This is why you get a scanner with text recognition software. /cough
In a serious reply, major updings for ggt, because those cost money too.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:40:12pm |
re: #237 Gus
They’re all upset because the FBI is cracking down on the illegal activities that take place under the cover of the TOR network - some really nasty child porn. One of the articles I read recently said that Tor was the MAIN method used by predators to disseminate child porn.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:40:12pm |
re: #239 RealityBasedSteve
Koa is beautiful, but everytime I’ve had a chance to score some really well figured stuff it’s gone before I can act. Right now I’m looking at getting some 3500+ y/o bog oak (with carbon dating certificate). Should be able to charge a nice premium for that.
RBS
Yeah, this would be enough for a 36-string lever harp. Not small.
If I pay enough I get to choose the panels. And they do engraving with abalone.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:40:34pm |
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EPR-radar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:41:04pm |
re: #192 compound_Idaho
I should have included the sarcasm tags. The president has chosen to not enforce a number of aspects of ACA via delays not authorized in the law.
One example is caps on out-of-pocket insurance costs, such as co-pays and deductibles. Annual limits on cost-sharing specified in ACA are limited to $2,000 per year for individual plans, and $4,000 per year for family plans. I cannot find any such limits on plans in available in the exchange. Some reporting requirement for businesses and individuals have also been waive/ignored without any legal authority.
These changes may be necessary and justified, but you have to go to congress to get the changes made.
The executive tweaks to Obamacare are a good point to bring up. However, in my mind they are justified as being within the intent of Congress at the time it was passed (i.e., if this is what it takes to make it work, then OK). In a functioning government, such housekeeping changes are a matter of routine business.
The debt ceiling is a different animal. Congress cannot rationally be regarded as having the intent that 3 - 5 = 0, which is what a fake debt ceiling crisis amounts to.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:41:19pm |
re: #236 darthstar
Oh, the visible from space part…apparently it is, but not as easy to see as blacktop in a desert.
The unglamorous truth is that the wall is only visible from low orbit under a specific set of weather and lighting conditions. And many other structures that are less spectacular from an earthly vantage point—desert roads, for example—appear more prominent from an orbital perspective.
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b_sharp Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:41:47pm |
re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth
I’ve got some 50+ year old mahogany salvaged from some old utility pole crossarms that were headed to the dump. Want a chunk?
real mahogany, not that luan stuff?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:42:30pm |
re: #241 Charles Johnson
They’re all upset because the FBI is cracking down on the illegal activities that take place under the cover of the TOR network - some really nasty child porn. One of the articles I read recently said that Tor was the MAIN method used by predators to disseminate child porn.
They came for the pedophiles, and I was silent, because fuckemall.
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:43:02pm |
If it isn't clear: I'm a complete supporter of @ggreenwald and not at all a fan of The Guardian with how they treat him and others.— Jacob Appelbaum (@ioerror) October 3, 2013
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:43:25pm |
re: #238 klys
This is why you get a scanner with text recognition software. /cough
OMG! That sound harder than data entry. I’d have to figure out how to install it, then how to use it. Then don’t you still have to go in and fix everything that didn’t go into the right field?
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:44:04pm |
re: #230 RealityBasedSteve
I’d love it, Make you a beautiful pen if you want. How can I get my address to you?
Steve
I think I got my email addy on my name/profile…
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:44:17pm |
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:44:25pm |
re: #192 compound_Idaho
I cannot find any such limits on plans in available in the exchange.
The out of pocket maximum for an individual is $6350 for Bronze through Gold level plans, $4000 for Platinum. For families the max out of pocket goes to $12,700 and $8000 respectively.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:44:29pm |
re: #250 FemNaziBitch
OMG! That sound harder than data entry. I’d have to figure out how to install it, then how to use it. Then don’t you still have to go in and fix everything that didn’t go into the right field?
Are there no hungry children, thrown off WIC, in your neighborhood?
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Stanley Sea Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:44:35pm |
3,200 preschool students being denied Head Start because of the shutdown. they should hold class at the WWII memorial http://t.co/UUtmjGKFD5
— Sam Stein (@samsteinhp) October 2, 2013
On the drive home heard a story on NPR from this guy who’s 30K rafting trip to the grand canyon was cancelled. Bummer! He even took his kid out of school for this.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:45:18pm |
re: #250 FemNaziBitch
OMG! That sound harder than data entry. I’d have to figure out how to install it, then how to use it. Then don’t you still have to go in and fix everything that didn’t go into the right field?
Yeah, but for things like trying to move from saving paper copies of all my bills to electronic copies, it’s very helpful.
Also, if the text is printed, it’s actually pretty decent. This is also how I save all the recipes I tear out of magazines.
Now granted, it was not a cheap scanner. It is VERY user-friendly once the software is installed, though.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:45:26pm |
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:46:04pm |
re: #254 Decatur Deb
Are there no hungry children, thrown off WIC, in your neighborhood?
So, I’d have to invest in the software to DONATE MY TIME. I could just donate the software to the shelter and let them find some other younger volunteer to do the work.
ahhhhhhh!
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:46:25pm |
re: #256 klys
Yeah, but for things like trying to move from saving paper copies of all my bills to electronic copies, it’s very helpful.
Also, if the text is printed, it’s actually pretty decent. This is also how I save all the recipes I tear out of magazines.
Now granted, it was not a cheap scanner. It is VERY user-friendly once the software is installed, though.
give me a link
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piratedan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:46:39pm |
re: #216 Charles Johnson
We’ll probably never know. It will remain one of life’s mysteries.
kinda like how toast works to Bill O’Reilly:
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:47:02pm |
re: #258 FemNaziBitch
So, I’d have to invest in the software to DONATE MY TIME. I could just donate the software to the shelter and let them find some other younger volunteer to do the work.
ahhhhhhh!
Hehe.
No, seriously, props to you for doing this. I love my scanner to pieces because I am trying to cut down on paper clutter, but it is definitely a more complicated process than having someone enter the information in by hand.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:47:41pm |
re: #258 FemNaziBitch
So, I’d have to invest in the software to DONATE MY TIME. I could just donate the software to the shelter and let them find some other younger volunteer to do the work.
ahhhhhhh!
Was envisioning an underage boiler room in your garret, staffed with kids you could pay in M&Ms. A sweetshop.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:48:53pm |
re: #263 Decatur Deb
Was envisioning an underage boiler room in your garret, staffed with kids you could pay in M&Ms. A sweetshop.
Kids don’t work for M&M’s these days.
They need real cash for their iPhones, X-Boxes and Bling.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:49:36pm |
re: #265 FemNaziBitch
Kids don’t work for M&M’s these days.
They need real cash for their iPhones, X-Boxes and Bling.
Pfft, if they’re WIC kids they’ll work for food.
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Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:50:34pm |
re: #248 Gus
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Well, Appelbaum represents the underbelly of ethics violators and loyalty over the truth. No doubt JA and GG are pissed that they’re really minor cogs in the scheme of things, and so will always bite the hands that feed them.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:50:38pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:50:43pm |
re: #265 FemNaziBitch
Kids don’t work for M&M’s these days.
They need real cash for their iPhones, X-Boxes and Bling.
My 34-yr old daughter just read her first ebook, on the Kindle Fire she borrowed from her 3-yr old.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:50:52pm |
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:51:05pm |
re: #262 b_sharp
Gimme!
Actually, RBS would put it to better use.
you can have a chunk too. I have lots.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:51:23pm |
re: #269 Decatur Deb
My 34-yr old daughter just read her first ebook, on the Kindle Fire she borrowed from her 3-yr old.
I may have to quote you on my fb. anonymously, of course.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:51:55pm |
re: #268 FemNaziBitch
There was one I was looking at for bills a while back. It seemed to be idiot-proof and cost about $200. I can’t remember the name.
I love mine. I put in the pages, hit the button, it scans, does all the text recognition, I can save as a PDF to my hard drive (or e-mail, or Evernote for my recipes), searchable documents …what’s not to love?
Besides the price tag.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:52:20pm |
re: #270 FemNaziBitch
get real.
Well then, clearly they don’t need to be on WIC since they’re not STARVING.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:53:05pm |
re: #269 Decatur Deb
My 34-yr old daughter just read her first ebook, on the Kindle Fire she borrowed from her 3-yr old.
The husband is looking at the new Kindle Fires carefully.
I think I would be shot if I said I wanted another tablet.
I do love my Kindle Paperwhite though. 1100+ books in my purse at all times.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:53:31pm |
re: #272 FemNaziBitch
I may have to quote you on my fb. anonymously, of course.
That’s fur reel. Wife has gone through the entire e-reader world, giving the castoffs to grandkids. His has a thick, tough foam ‘armor’ that stretches over it.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:54:46pm |
ruh-roh, I’m seeing the spinning wheel again …
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RealityBasedSteve Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:58:48pm |
re: #261 klys
Hehe.
No, seriously, props to you for doing this. I love my scanner to pieces because I am trying to cut down on paper clutter, but it is definitely a more complicated process than having someone enter the information in by hand.
I remember my first scanner. A logitech Scanman. Was about 6 inches wide and you had to move it down the page. If the page was too wide you had to scan both halfs and then stitch it together. Doing all of this on an 8088 running at a whopping 8 Mhz. (Turbocharged from the original 4.77 Mhz).
RBS
Who may slowly be sneaking up on early middle age with that revelation
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:58:48pm |
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:58:48pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:00:24pm |
re: #276 klys
The husband is looking at the new Kindle Fires carefully.
I think I would be shot if I said I wanted another tablet.
I do love my Kindle Paperwhite though. 1100+ books in my purse at all times.
Wife liked the Fire HD? a lot, but a son won an unneeded iPad from his company and passed it to her. She puts that in her purse, and I have to carry it through Lower Alabama because it’s too heavy for her injured arm.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:02:50pm |
re: #282 Decatur Deb
Wife liked the Fire HD? a lot, but a son won an unneeded iPad from his company and passed it to her. She puts that in her purse, and I have to carry it through Lower Alabama because it’s too heavy for her injured arm.
I have (because I am a gadget addict):
- iPad first gen
- iPad third gen (with LTE)
- Nexus 7
- keyboard Kindle (gave to my mother)
- Kindle Paperwhite
- iPod Classic 160g x2 (long story)
- iPod nano (for audiobooks!)
- smartphone (Galaxy Nexus right now, due for upgrade soon)
This does not include the laptop/desktop computer count.
He has the Surface. I admit to be drooling over the Surface Pro 2 instead of the current travel oriented laptop, pending reviews and accessories being appropriate.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:04:44pm |
re: #284 klys
I just realized this does not include the handheld gaming consoles or camera.
The subset of this set that I travel with is probably larger than it should be.
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Romantic Heretic Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:15:59pm |
re: #141 CuriousLurker
What happens when you go rabble-rousing with the rambunctious riffraff?
You end up in a police cruiser with your friends exclaiming, “That was fun!”
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Teukka Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:43:25pm |
re: #40 A Mom Anon
Thanks to everyone who worked to get LGF back on track.
So, any thoughts on what the next step of this madness is? How in the hell is it going to be possible to fix this mess? These people are anarchists, they are not there to govern, they are there to destroy the government.
I have to say, if they crash the economy over all this, I am truly scared what will happen to this country in the aftermath. It’s going to get really ugly, more than it is already.
Yeah, and if there is a crash, it won’t just be the US economy that tanks. It will be a good chunk of the western world. And the teahadis seem to think that the rest of the world will let them get away with it and/or not blame them…
We live in interesting times, in the ancient Chinese curse sense.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:41:16am |
Morning, all.
Here’s a long rip from a Gawker commenter that gets all classic-y about the DC hostage situation:
Cherith CutestoryLacey Donohue
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Remember when you had to read The Illiad in school? And there is this huge amount of time where Achilles just sits in his tent allowing, even literally praying (to his mommy) for, his comrades to be slaughtered because his pride has been hurt? And then he goes on a killing rampage because his lover/friend/whatever you want is murdered because of it rather than reflecting and blaming himself. But at the end he has the absolutely beautiful moment of shared empathy, loss and compassion with the father of Hector? He and his enemy just taking a moment to eat, cry and mourn their shared loss and he realizes how foolish and destructive his pride has been. And he goes back to the fight but it is with honor and not foaming rage and not pouting in his tent.
This will never get to that last part. That was composed around 8th century BC in a society that didn’t even have writing yet. We are barbarians. Yesterday 11:34pm
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