The GOP is a Terrorist Organization
This episode of Life With Gohmert actually has Glenn Beck stealing the spotlight of stupidity. He tells Rep. Gohmert that after deep prayerful consideration, The Lord has told him The Gohmert should mount a primary challenge against Sen. John Cornyn.
More: Glenn Beck Tries to Convince Louie Gohmert That God Wants Him to Run for Senate
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:43:34pm |
Promoted because you wrote “stealing the spotlight of stupidity.”
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Iwouldprefernotto Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:44:37pm |
Please proceed*
* It still works. **
** Thanks Obama
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Belafon Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:47:04pm |
Please, oh please!! Being here in Texas, it’s not like that would change anything, but I would love to see Gohmert and Cornyn going after each other.
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:48:33pm |
With the added bonus of Glenn Beck in some kind of costume.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:49:27pm |
re: #4 Belafon
Please, oh please!! Being here in Texas, it’s not like that would change anything, but I would love to see Gohmert and Cornyn going after each other.
If that dumb fuck becomes the next senator from Texas, I am going to have to move. I have been holding out hope for Texas demographics to kick in and turn us purple, but I can’t endure Louie.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:54:09pm |
re: #1 Charles Johnson
Promoted because you wrote “stealing the spotlight of stupidity.”
alliteration is the key to promotion?
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Kragar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 5:58:48pm |
How The National Park Service Became Obama’s Shutdown ‘Shock Troops’
. @BarackObama sent 7 security guards to #WWIIMemorial this AM to keep out our vets. Sadly, that is 2 more than were present in Benghazi.— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) October 2, 2013
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Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:00:02pm |
Ouch, was there another glitch in the site?
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:00:04pm |
re: #8 Kragar
How The National Park Service Became Obama’s Shutdown ‘Shock Troops’
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.@SenRandPaul Derp. @BarackObama— Gus (@Gus_802) October 3, 2013
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dog philosopher Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:00:29pm |
re: #8 Kragar
How The National Park Service Became Obama’s Shutdown ‘Shock Troops’
rand must be pissed that cruz is Head Moron this month
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jaunte Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:02:22pm |
“As long as we’re on God’s side, who could stand against us?”
Compact auto-demonization of any opponent!
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:03:44pm |
I can’t handle all this uncertainty.
I’m going to watch back episodes of Breaking Bad so I can catch-up.
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Skip Intro Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:06:21pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:06:59pm |
Republicans hate Obamacare because it covers pre-existing conditions and they are afraid that a lot of their voter will seek treatment for their crazy. What will the GOP do without the crazy?
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Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 2, 2013 6:17:47pm |
Got that spinning wheel again…
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piratedan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:00:30pm |
yeah the continuing issues make me think that LGF is being targeted somehow, but I’m pretty sure that is just the paranoid conspiracy theorist in me talking….
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elizajane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:06:30pm |
PPP’s latest round of conspiracy-theory related questions finds that Republicans are more likely than Democrats to believe various government-related conspiracy theories, similar to results we found on our first round of conspiracy polling last April. Overall, 36% of Americans and 62% of Republicans believe that the Obama Administration is secretly trying to take everyone’s guns away; just 14% of Democrats believe the same. One in four Americans say that President Obama is secretly trying to figure out a way to stay in office beyond 2017 - including almost half of Republicans (44%). And 26% of Americans think that Muslims are covertly implementing Sharia Law in American court systems, while 55% don’t think so and another 19% aren’t sure. There’s a huge partisan breakdown on this one as well - 42% of Republicans fear Sharia Law making its way into America’s courts while just 12% of Democrats agree.
19% say there is a secret society such as Skull and Bones that produces America’s political and financial leaders to serve the wealthy elite.
The last of these is clearly true! When I was at Yale, the windows of buildings overlooking Skull and Bones were shuttered and nailed closed so that you could not see the S&Bers frolicking naked in their back yard. Or so we were told. Obviously this was the Republican 1%-ers — they cavort naked, but also have enough power to make sure nobody can witness their madness.
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simoom Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:37:50pm |
“This is not just about Obamacare anymore,” centrist Rep. Michael Grimm, R-N.Y., said.
“We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”
I probably should have used the purple wingnut font for that.
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Gus Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:38:41pm |
Roger that. We’re getting some distortion in your signal.
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piratedan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:39:41pm |
just goes to show just how effective the GOP message machine is with your average person on the street
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piratedan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:40:58pm |
and everything you need to know about the Tehadist faction in Congress in one simple statement:
“We’re not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.” — Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN)
h/t to DougJ over at Balloon Juice
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:41:50pm |
So these guys shut down the government and then act like it’s Obama’s fault that the national monuments aren’t open. What a load of shit.
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Carlos Danger Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:43:00pm |
The demonizing of Babushka’s kittehs has begun:
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:43:51pm |
re: #27 HappyWarrior
So these guys shut down the government and then act like it’s Obama’s fault that the national monuments aren’t open. What a load of shit.
Atop that, Rinsed Prius now comes out today and says the RNC will offer to pay to hire 5 guards to keep exactly one memorial open: The WWII memorial. Every other memorial, national park, and/or historical site? SOL.
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Single-handed sailor Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:43:57pm |
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:44:44pm |
So what happened, The Revenge of the Chicom Spybots?
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:45:53pm |
All politics is local LOL!
Illinois Republican Sen. Mark Kirk, who plans to escort the Chicago veterans to the World War II memorial Wednesday, was also contacted by organizers of the event and asked to come. He signed on to the political messaging in a brief interview outside the World War II Tuesday.
“It’s the president’s [fault]” the memorial is closed, Kirk said. “He’s having a long temper tantrum. He thinks he can instruct the country that we should all spend money and raise taxes just like he thinks and I think he’s absolutely incorrect. He’s shaking in his boots that people actually experience Obamacare and they will never vote Democrat again.”
Next time D_F wanders in here and tries to convince people that his local Republicans are good guys point this shit out. Here’s the supposed epitome of a rational Republican spreading pure, unadulterated DERP. His statement doesn’t even have internal logic. “He’s shaking in his boots that people actually experience Obamacare and they will never vote Democrat again.” Yeah asshole, that’s why you Republicans are holding the economy, budget, full faith and credit of the US hostage in an attempt to defund it, because it’s Obama who is scared about people’s reactions to the actual implementation of the law.
This is basically a mathematical proof that all Republicans are dogshit. You vote for one and you’re condoning the worst of them, then the good guy you thought legitimized your faith in the party turn out to have been a stealth prick all along.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:46:21pm |
re: #30 Targetpractice
Atop that, Rinsed Prius now comes out today and says the RNC will offer to pay to hire 5 guards to keep exactly one memorial open: The WWII memorial. Every other memorial, national park, and/or historical site? SOL.
Well how fucking magnamious of him. It’s not like Vietnam Veterans never visit the Vietnam War memorial or Korean War vets the Korean one. The whole thing reeks and it’s not going to have the effect that RNC PR BS thinks it will.
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Single-handed sailor Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:46:23pm |
How are you gentlemen !!
All your base are belong to us.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:46:59pm |
re: #33 goddamnedfrank
All politics is local LOL!
Next time D_F wanders in here and tries to convince people that his local Republicans are good guys point this shit out. Here’s the supposed epitome of a rational Republican spreading pure, unadulterated DERP. His statement doesn’t even have internal logic. “He’s shaking in his boots that people actually experience Obamacare and they will never vote Democrat again.” Yeah asshole, that’s why you Republicans holding the economy, budget, full faith and credit of the US hostage in an attempt to defund it, because it’s Obama who is scared about people’s reactions to the actual implementation of the law.
This is basically a mathematical proof that all Republicans are dogshit. You vote for one and you’re condoning the worst of them, then the good guy you thought legitimized your faith in the party turn out to have been a stealth prick all along.
Wow Kirk’s a dingus.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:48:17pm |
re: #34 HappyWarrior
Well how fucking magnamious of him. It’s not like Vietnam Veterans never visit the Vietnam War memorial or Korean War vets the Korean one. The whole thing reeks and it’s not going to have the effect that RNC PR BS thinks it will.
It’s a replay of the White House tours BS. You remember, all the Repubs in an uproar about how horrible it was, how “It’s The People’s House!” and the calls to put special funding for it in this bill or that one.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:49:12pm |
re: #37 Targetpractice
It’s a replay of the White House tours BS. You remember, all the Repubs in an uproar about how horrible it was, how “It’s The People’s House!” and the calls to put special funding for it in this bill or that one.
Right, good point. Hadn’t thought about it that way but this is a good point. I hope enough of people don’t fall for this stunt. It’s stupid as fuck.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:51:25pm |
You know what most living WWII veterans would like to see. The government not be fucking shutdown because Reince Preince’s party can’t accept a law. My great uncle never lived to see the WWII memorial be built. He would be far more outraged about a party holding the system hostage because they don’t like healthcare reform than a memorial being closed. I do feel bad for the WWII veterans that had to travel and didn’t get to see the memorial but the shutting down of the government because of ACA is more of a slap in their face than the monument being closed is.
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The Mountain That Blogs Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:53:07pm |
I don’t remember all these people being up in arms about the NIH shutting down when they strangled it with the sequester.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:53:29pm |
re: #33 goddamnedfrank
All politics is local LOL!
Next time D_F wanders in here and tries to convince people that his local Republicans are good guys point this shit out. Here’s the supposed epitome of a rational Republican spreading pure, unadulterated DERP. His statement doesn’t even have internal logic. “He’s shaking in his boots that people actually experience Obamacare and they will never vote Democrat again.” Yeah asshole, that’s why you Republicans holding the economy, budget, full faith and credit of the US hostage in an attempt to defund it, because it’s Obama who is scared about people’s reactions to the actual implementation of the law.
This is basically a mathematical proof that all Republicans are dogshit. You vote for one and you’re condoning the worst of them, then the good guy you thought legitimized your faith in the party turn out to have been a stealth prick all along.
Shorter Kirk statement: “I’d like not to be primaried next election and might even want to run for President one day!”
Seriously Mark, you’re old enough to remember that this shit went on during the last shutdown. It costs money to employ guards, it costs money to employ janitorial staff, it costs money to employ maintenance staff, and all that is money you won’t sign off on unless you get to override the legislative process and do what you couldn’t do with 47 repeal votes.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:57:16pm |
I still don’t get how if the vets “storming” the memorial was a spontaneous action, there were Republicans and press on hand to generate hype and make a photo op.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:58:07pm |
re: #41 Targetpractice
Shorter Kirk statement: “I’d like not to be primaried next election and might even want to run for President one day!”
Seriously Mark, you’re old enough to remember that this shit went on during the last shutdown. It costs money to employ guards, it costs money to employ janitorial staff, it costs money to employ maintenance staff, and all that is money you won’t sign off on unless you get to override the legislative process and do what you couldn’t do with 47 repeal votes.
This is why I think the politician who is supposed to know better Kirk in this case is worse than the ideologue who doesn’t, say Gohmert. Kirk knows better than this but he’s still pandering the party line because as you say, he’s petrified of being primaried. Seems to me that Republican office holders do most of their posturing based on this fear. It’s not about doing right by country, it’s because they’re afraid that someone may challenge them in a primary and say mean things about them like they’re not a real conservative. That’s not a way to govern and it would be nice if Republican officeholders stopped acting like this but they won’t until people inside the Republican Party have the courage to tell the fringe element to screw up a rope.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:58:20pm |
Instead of acting like a bunch of old, incontinent fuckwits why don’t those activists volunteer and donate funds to the shuttered Head Start program, do something for the next generation that’s being fucked over by this.
re: #41 Targetpractice
Shorter Kirk statement: “I’d like not to be primaried next election and might even want to run for President one day!”
Seriously Mark, you’re old enough to remember that this shit went on during the last shutdown. It costs money to employ guards, it costs money to employ janitorial staff, it costs money to employ maintenance staff, and all that is money you won’t sign off on unless you get to override the legislative process and do what you couldn’t do with 47 repeal votes.
You’d think someone experiencing a long, painful recovery from a debilitating stroke would have some fucking empathy for people with pre-existing conditions. What a goddamned atrocious human being.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 7:58:32pm |
The world according to Fox.
The White House shutting down tours: The President hates Children
The GOP shutdowns SNAP and WIC programs: No big deal
Screw you GOP.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:00:03pm |
re: #42 The Ghost of a Flea
I still don’t get how if the vets “storming” the memorial was a spontaneous action, there were Republicans and press on hand to generate hype and make a photo op.
Weren’t Steve King and Michelle Bachmann conveniently there at the moment it happened too? Right, we’re supposed to believe this isn’t a political stunt. Not trying to disrespect these vets and I understand their frustration but their anger shouldn’t be directed at President Obama, it should be at the party that refuses to accept ACA is law three years after its passage and a year after its legal affirmation by USSC. I find it downright shameful that the RNC is exploiting veterans like this to make a cheap attack on Obama.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:00:59pm |
re: #45 Kragar
The world according to Fox.
The White House shutting down tours: The President hates Children
The GOP shutdowns SNAP and WIC programs: No big deal
Screw you GOP.
Well, not entirely, Kragar. After all, according to Faux, it’s not a shutdown. No, it’s a “slimdown,” which they totally endorse except when they’re blaming Democrats for the negative effects.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:01:40pm |
re: #45 Kragar
The world according to Fox.
The White House shutting down tours: The President hates Children
The GOP shutdowns SNAP and WIC programs: No big deal
Screw you GOP.
And there you named the essence of everything that is wrong with American conservatism. It’s not a big deal to shutdown programs like that but it’s the worst thing since ever if something like the former happens. This is the same logic that brings you that ACA is big government tyranny but supporting sodomy laws somehow doesn’t violate people’s individual rights and privacy.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:02:44pm |
re: #40 The Mountain That Blogs
I don’t remember all these people being up in arms about the NIH shutting down when they strangled it with the sequester.
CDC outbreak monitoring is currently running on a skeleton crew, and if that doesn’t freak people out they should put it in the following context:
US intelligence officials said Wednesday that the government shutdown is seriously damaging the intelligence community’s ability to guard against threats. They said they’re keeping counterterrorism staff at work as well as those providing intelligence to troops in Afghanistan, but that the danger would increase daily with fewer spies to track targets.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:04:46pm |
re: #44 goddamnedfrank
Instead of acting like a bunch of old, incontinent fuckwits why don’t those activists volunteer and donate funds to the shuttered Head Start program, do something for the next generation that’s being fucked over by this.
You’d think someone experiencing a long, painful recovery from a debilitating stroke would have some fucking empathy for people with pre-existing conditions. What a goddamned atrocious human being.
I didn’t want to go there but you’re absolutely right about Kirk. This is a guy who clearly benefited personally from having health insurance and what’s more damned good health insurance. It’s typical fuck you, I got mine mentality. If Kirk had any sense at all, he’d think about what his station would be like if he wasn’t a U.S Senator or worse one of the many uninsured in this country. That’s the problem with Republicans though. They seem to lack the ability to empathize with anyone less off than them. Their only empathy is with the very wealthy whose poor widdle feelings are hurt because they may have to pay Clinton era tax amounts or fanatical anti-gay bigots who are told that their religious beliefs shouldn’t dictate secular law.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:09:12pm |
politicususa.com
Polls confirm what we long knew: The Republican Base is legitimately insane. And you can see this insanity reflected in what kind of people have been nominated and subsequently elected by Republican voters.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:10:40pm |
Does anybody actually know what a zebra quieff is?
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alpuz Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:11:05pm |
re: #33 goddamnedfrank
Logged in to upding this. You’re a goddamned blessing, goddamnedfrank.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:11:21pm |
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piratedan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:13:45pm |
re: #55 Kragar
so much for moderate Republicans wanting to end this fiasco
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:13:59pm |
re: #55 Kragar
Surprise, surprise.
There was a claim earlier that there’s now 17 House Republicans saying they’ll vote for a clean CR. Yet Democrats tried to do exactly that today and it went nowhere. Only conclusion I can reach is these chickenshits are waiting for Boehner to sound the retreat before they feel it’s safe, and it’s just not going to happen. The man would sooner douse himself in gasoline and strike a match by this point.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:14:03pm |
re: #57 jamesfirecat
Do I want to know?
I wouldn’t know. I have no idea what it is.
But I’m sure someone out there does.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:14:09pm |
re: #55 Kragar
But remember, this is Harry Reid’s shutdown. Now whether to mock the federal workers out of work or to cry that Obama cackled an evil laugh at WWII veterans.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:15:31pm |
re: #58 piratedan
so much for moderate Republicans wanting to end this fiasco
It’s disappointing. I had some hope that there was at least one somewhat reasonable Republican in the caucus. It’s a damn shame that these guys act not out of principle but out of fear of a shallow movement that peaked in popularity a few years ago yet controls way too much influence in the GOP primary electorate.
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The Mountain That Blogs Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:17:21pm |
re: #49 goddamnedfrank
Just in time for flu season, too. Awesome, ain’t it?
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Kragar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:18:42pm |
Healthcare is not what is destroying America.
The Tea Party is what is destroying America.
The Tea Party Created an Existential Threat to America, Not Obamacare
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:18:48pm |
re: #62 HappyWarrior
It’s disappointing. I had some hope that there was at least one somewhat reasonable Republican in the caucus. It’s a damn shame that these guys act not out of principle but out of fear of a shallow movement that peaked in popularity a few years ago yet controls way too much influence in the GOP primary electorate.
The irony is that, as they liked to yammer on incessantly last year, “they built this.” Time and again, Boehner could have said “No more repeal votes, it’s done, it’s over.” He signaled such after the election, but then immediately reversed himself. Why? Because some of the newbie backbenchers whined that they hadn’t been able to earn their “Repeal Obamacare!” merit badge for when they have to run for reelection.
After 3 years, Boehner has no excuses. This monster is one of his own creation and he either has to kill or let it go on until it destroys everything that remains of his party.
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austin_blue Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:20:57pm |
re: #62 HappyWarrior
It’s disappointing. I had some hope that there was at least one somewhat reasonable Republican in the caucus. It’s a damn shame that these guys act not out of principle but out of fear of a shallow movement that peaked in popularity a few years ago yet controls way too much influence in the GOP primary electorate.
Gerrymandering makes them strong. Their popularity in their Districts will increase because of extreme positions.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:23:52pm |
re: #4 Belafon
Please, oh please!! Being here in Texas, it’s not like that would change anything, but I would love to see Gohmert and Cornyn going after each other.
Gohmert and Cornyn fighting would be hilarious. I’d actually watch their debates just to point and laugh.
The only thing better would be Gohmert challenging Ted Cruz to see who was the Real Conservative. That would be a hoot.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:24:02pm |
re: #65 Targetpractice
The irony is that, as they liked to yammer on incessantly last year, “they built this.” Time and again, Boehner could have said “No more repeal votes, it’s done, it’s over.” He signaled such after the election, but then immediately reversed himself. Why? Because some of the newbie backbenchers whined that they hadn’t been able to earn their “Repeal Obamacare!” merit badge for when they have to run for reelection.
After 3 years, Boehner has no excuses. This monster is one of his own creation and he either has to kill or let it go on until it destroys everything that remains of his party.
Right and it’s exactly why I don’t see Boehner as a reasonable guy or part of the solution. He’s too timid to call them out on their shit.
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sagehen Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:24:26pm |
re: #43 HappyWarrior
Kirk knows better than this but he’s still pandering the party line because as you say, he’s petrified of being primaried. Seems to me that Republican office holders do most of their posturing based on this fear. It’s not about doing right by country, it’s because they’re afraid that someone may challenge them in a primary and say mean things about them like they’re not a real conservative.
Kirk is still getting rehab/PT for his stroke, on that fine Congressman’s health insurance that he’s afraid to lose.
Somebody should tell him, now he can buy just as good a policy through his state exchange, even if he loses his job. Even with his pre-existing condition.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:25:38pm |
re: #67 Lidane
Gohmert and Cornyn fighting would be hilarious. I’d actually watch their debates just to point and laugh.
The only thing better would be Gohmert challenging Ted Cruz to see who was the Real Conservative. That would be a hoot.
I think I’d actually pay to see a don’t know the word for it “Conservativathlon?” perhaps but I’d love to see Gohmert and Cruz try to out wingnut each other until one of them actually explicitly embraces fascism as an alternative to Obama.Then I guess it would get kind of scary.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:27:18pm |
re: #68 HappyWarrior
Right and it’s exactly why I don’t see Boehner as a reasonable guy or part of the solution. He’s too timid to call them out on their shit.
It’s why I’ve, sadly, reached the “Abandon All Hope” stage. At this point, I’m not confident at all that we’ll avoid a default. I’m convinced that Boehner will push us into one, despite saying he wouldn’t, if for no other reason than out of some vain hope that he can stare Obama down. This is no longer a simple disagreement, a difference of ideologies. It’s become personal for Boehner, a kamikaze mission to either defeat Obama and thus secure his speakership or die trying.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:28:27pm |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:30:24pm |
re: #71 Targetpractice
It’s why I’ve, sadly, reached the “Abandon All Hope” stage. At this point, I’m not confident at all that we’ll avoid a default. I’m convinced that Boehner will push us into one, despite saying he wouldn’t, if for no other reason than out of some vain hope that he can stare Obama down. This is no longer a simple disagreement, a difference of ideologies. It’s become personal for Boehner, a kamikaze mission to either defeat Obama and thus secure his speakership or die trying.
Yeah, I too am resigned at this point. I think this is going to last longer than the last one did. It sucks because it’s really going to adversely effect people and while one of the sideeffects politically I have little doubt will be negative for the Republican Party brand, I don’t like rooting for disaster period. I’d rather have the Republicans bad ideas out right be their downfall at the polls than a government shutdown. Of course, I’ve got personal reasons too. My mother’s a federal employee and I was going to be starting my position with DOI soon. Even did my fingerprints and got my photo taken for my ID. In fact, I imagine I’d probably be picking up my ID this week in D.C if not for the shutdown.
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piratedan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:30:54pm |
re: #71 Targetpractice
It’s why I’ve, sadly, reached the “Abandon All Hope” stage. At this point, I’m not confident at all that we’ll avoid a default. I’m convinced that Boehner will push us into one, despite saying he wouldn’t, if for no other reason than out of some vain hope that he can stare Obama down. This is no longer a simple disagreement, a difference of ideologies. It’s become personal for Boehner, a kamikaze mission to either defeat Obama and thus secure his speakership or die trying.
my money is on the latter, after everything that the GOP House has done, I doubt Big O would piss on Johnny Orange if he was on fire.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:32:02pm |
re: #75 piratedan
my money is on the latter, after everything that the GOP House has done, I doubt Big O would piss on Johnny Orange if he was on fire.
I can tell you this much. I look forward to reading Obama’s memoris. I hope he pulls no punches on what a collection of assholes he has for Congressional opponents.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:33:50pm |
re: #73 HappyWarrior
Yeah, I too am resigned at this point. I think this is going to last longer than the last one did. It sucks because it’s really going to adversely effect people and while one of the sideeffects politically I have little doubt will be negative for the Republican Party brand, I don’t like rooting for disaster period. I’d rather have the Republicans bad ideas out right be their downfall at the polls than a government shutdown. Of course, I’ve got personal reasons too. My mother’s a federal employee and I was going to be starting my position with DOI soon. Even did my fingerprints and got my photo taken for my ID. In fact, I imagine I’d probably be picking up my ID this week in D.C if not for the shutdown.
Both my folks are in the Civil Service, mother does inventory at the naval hospital and old man works down in Elizabeth City in the Coast Guard engine shop there. He’s been furloughed, while she’s working her ass off for no pay. Meanwhile my sister and I are the only ones getting paid, but we don’t earn near enough to cover a third of the bills that will show up in the next month. I’ve snuck glances at the household finances and know that we’re a paycheck or two from disaster.
Before this is all over, the GOP is going to do heavy damage to its brand and very likely will cause a lot of grief for itself next year. But that’s in future, right now my family’s hurting and I can only imagine that the same situation is being faced in households across the nation.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:39:17pm |
re: #77 Targetpractice
Both my folks are in the Civil Service, mother does inventory at the naval hospital and old man works down in Elizabeth City in the Coast Guard engine shop there. He’s been furloughed, while she’s working her ass off for no pay. Meanwhile my sister and I are the only ones getting paid, but we don’t earn near enough to cover a third of the bills that will show up in the next month. I’ve snuck glances at the household finances and know that we’re a paycheck or two from disaster.
Before this is all over, the GOP is going to do heavy damage to its brand and very likely will cause a lot of grief for itself next year. But that’s in future, right now my family’s hurting and I can only imagine that the same situation is being faced in households across the nation.
I just wish some common sense would occur in the GOP leadership but as we’ve said, Boehner operates like a scared rabbit when it comes to the Tea Party. I just hope the midterm elections next year completely repudiate the Tea Party brand and philosophy but I’m cynical on that too given how hard it is for a president’s party to regain control of a House in a midyear election. So right now, all I’m hoping for is that I can start my job soon and that our state doesn’t get itself in a mess by electing Dumb and Dumber to be our governor and lt governor. McDonnell ended up being a crook. Cuccinnelli is both a kook and a crook.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:41:34pm |
Oh good fucking lord, the whispering over at NRO’s twitter feed is that Boehner broached the idea of another “Grand Bargain” at the White House confab this afternoon and Obama maybe seriously considering it. After days of saying they would not allow a deal to be made under the threat of a shutdown or a default, they’re now getting shaky knees? Mr. President, no offense, but this isn’t optimism by this point, it’s insanity. You’re not going to get a Grand Bargain, you’re not even going to get an Average Bargain. What you’re going to get is a deal with a bunch of assholes who will reneg on it the moment they realize they’ll win more kudos with their base. Didn’t you learn your lesson after ‘11?
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kirkspencer Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:43:06pm |
re: #73 HappyWarrior
Yeah, I too am resigned at this point. I think this is going to last longer than the last one did. It sucks because it’s really going to adversely effect people and while one of the sideeffects politically I have little doubt will be negative for the Republican Party brand, I don’t like rooting for disaster period. I’d rather have the Republicans bad ideas out right be their downfall at the polls than a government shutdown. Of course, I’ve got personal reasons too. My mother’s a federal employee and I was going to be starting my position with DOI soon. Even did my fingerprints and got my photo taken for my ID. In fact, I imagine I’d probably be picking up my ID this week in D.C if not for the shutdown.
Here’s the deal with Boehner. He likes being Speaker. His greatest dread is that a vote will be forced that removes him from the position. It’s so great that he won’t crack the whip or do anything that might make his dread real. He figures so long as he can keep the extreme side sated he can keep his position.
The only way he’ll risk their anger is if he’s absolutely certain he’ll keep the majority of Republican members willing to ‘let him slide’.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:45:04pm |
re: #79 Targetpractice
It’s NRO. I won’t believe anything they say. They could say the sky was blue and I’d still have to walk out the door and check.
I hope like hell that the Dems don’t blink and they don’t cave. Caving into the GOP would just embolden them again. Fuck that. Let them own this mess completely until Sir John of Orange finally has enough of the teabaggers in his caucus and pushes for a clean resolution.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:46:18pm |
re: #80 kirkspencer
Here’s the deal with Boehner. He likes being Speaker. His greatest dread is that a vote will be forced that removes him from the position. It’s so great that he won’t crack the whip or do anything that might make his dread real. He figures so long as he can keep the extreme side sated he can keep his position.
The only way he’ll risk their anger is if he’s absolutely certain he’ll keep the majority of Republican members willing to ‘let him slide’.
Well then I hope that the American people make his dillema easier and remove his party as the majority party in the House. Of course, that’s all easier said than done given that people never seem to hold their own Congressman directly responsible for the mess. My own, Frank Wolf is playing that card. He acted like he’d be one of the ones open to a CR and then sat on his ass.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:47:43pm |
Genocidal Theocrat to run for Governor of Massachusetts
Statement of Pastor Scott Lively:
After long contemplation and prayer I am convinced that I should run for Governor of Massachusetts. I will run as an independent.
The people of this state need a candidate who can clearly and unapologetically articulate Biblical values without fear or compromise. They need a candidate who will tell the simple truth that abortion is murder, and homosexuality is condemned by God (but that Jesus forgives and heals those who repent). That parents and not the state have authority over their children, because government is our servant and not our master. That socialism is slavery and humanism breeds corruption. But mostly they need a leader who will remind the people that Massachusetts was founded upon Jesus Christ and the Bible and that our future security and prosperity depend on restoring our trust in Him. “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!” Psalm 33:12.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:48:31pm |
re: #83 Kragar
Good, I hope he goes bankrupt during his run and has to hire Lionel Hutz as his attorney for his crimes against humanity case.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:49:38pm |
re: #81 Lidane
It’s NRO. I won’t believe anything they say. They could say the sky was blue and I’d still have to walk out the door and check.
I hope like hell that the Dems don’t blink and they don’t cave. Caving into the GOP would just embolden them again. Fuck that. Let them own this mess completely until Sir John of Orange finally has enough of the teabaggers in his caucus and pushes for a clean resolution.
It’s like I said, I’ve about totally given into the cynicism at this point. I know that the allure of the mythical “Grand Bargain” is strong in a White House that wants to be finally be done with fights over the budget and over the debt ceiling, wants to get something accomplished in the second term that’s worthy of a legacy. But making such a deal at this point would only embolden the GOP, and it’s general rule of thumb that any deal made under duress is of questionable value. I could demand Boehner sign any such deal in blood and guarantee it with the life of his first born and still not be surprised when he got up to the lectern and declared that the GOP will have to break the deal because they don’t like the terms of it anymore.
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simoom Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:51:27pm |
re: #79 Targetpractice
Oh good fucking lord, the whispering over at NRO’s twitter feed is that Boehner broached the idea of another “Grand Bargain” at the White House confab this afternoon and Obama maybe seriously considering it.
This is just wishful thinking on Bohner’s part. His caucus would never go for it and the Democratic leadership knows it.
President Barack Obama and Democratic congressional leaders refuse to negotiate until the government is reopened, and even then, they remain deeply skeptical that a sweeping deal is possible, given the GOP’s opposition to new revenue.
When House Speaker John Boehner raised the idea at a White House meeting Wednesday with Obama and congressional leaders, “everybody laughed at him because they’ve heard this song and dance so many times before,” said a Democratic aide briefed on the meeting.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:52:51pm |
re: #86 simoom
This is just wishful thinking on Bohner’s part. His caucus would never go for it and the Democratic leadership knows it.
Good, they should have laughed at him. He’s a fucking clown.
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piratedan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:52:52pm |
re: #85 Targetpractice
It’s like I said, I’ve about totally given into the cynicism at this point. I know that the allure of the mythical “Grand Bargain” is strong in a White House that wants to be finally be done with fights over the budget and over the debt ceiling, wants to get something accomplished in the second term that’s worthy of a legacy. But making such a deal at this point would only embolden the GOP, and it’s general rule of thumb that any deal made under duress is of questionable value. I could demand Boehner sign any such deal in blood and guarantee it with the life of his first born and still not be surprised when he got up to the lectern and declared that the GOP will have to break the deal because they don’t like the terms of it anymore.
which is essentially what’s going on here where the GOP, even after getting most of what it requested in the Sequestration, now is back for more. Hell, if I want a constitutional crisis, lets have it after arresting the Republican house for sedition…. then we can talk about who is honoring the Constitution and governing the country and who isn’t.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:53:01pm |
re: #85 Targetpractice
If This Was About the “Grand Bargain”…
…they didn’t need to shut down the government to get it.
I’ll keep this short and sweet. According to a rec’d diary “breathlessly” citing only RW sources, the shutdown was about getting the “grand bargain” that some progressives have been pissed off about from the beginning, even if it was discussed in abstract terms.
This fails the logic test.
Why?
Simple.
Here’s why:
If according to some, the President has been hell bent since reelection to get a “grand bargain,” and Boehner wanted a “grand bargain,” they would have sat down months ago and hashed it out.
I’ll say it again: They didn’t need to shut down the government to do it.
So, one thing or another is missing in this logic fail. Either the President doesn’t want a grand bargain, or Boehner doesn’t want a grand bargain.
Makes sense (bolding was in the original diary). Like Lidane, I’m also going with everything the NRO says is noxious bullshit until proven otherwise.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:54:55pm |
And there you have it. Bachmann to Hannity: GOP is “happiest it's been in a long while.” http://t.co/dRC9vtYuIG— Steve Silberman (@stevesilberman) October 3, 2013
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:55:32pm |
on Fox @SenRandPaul said he had “fun” today w/ Tweet about #Benghazi (he's still “laughing abt it”). yknow Benghazi where 4 Americans killed— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) October 3, 2013
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:55:45pm |
re: #91 Lidane
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They can’t even try to not look giddy about this.
Makes the whole ‘blame it on the Dems’ attack kind of hollow, no?
Morans.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:56:58pm |
re: #91 Lidane
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We’ll see how happy she is when the Tea Party brand she helped create is about as popular as getting the clap.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:57:11pm |
re: #93 Varek Raith
They can’t even try to look not giddy about this.
Makes the whole ‘blame it on the Dems’ attack kind of hollow, no?
Morans.
Bachmann’s not running for reelection, so being openly honest isn’t surprising. Really, that’s the story with most of the jackasses who pushed for a shutdown and now are all atwitter about the idea of a default, that they’re either retiring or in “safe” districts, so why worry about seeming happy that the country is going off the rails?
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austin_blue Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:57:25pm |
re: #59 Targetpractice
Surprise, surprise.
There was a claim earlier that there’s now 17 House Republicans saying they’ll vote for a clean CR. Yet Democrats tried to do exactly that today and it went nowhere. Only conclusion I can reach is these chickenshits are waiting for Boehner to sound the retreat before they feel it’s safe, and it’s just not going to happen. The man would sooner douse himself in gasoline and strike a match by this point.
He hasn’t done that already to achieve that “tan”?
Sorry, too much snark.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 8:58:30pm |
re: #92 Lidane
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Goes to show you that Benghazi isn’t about Ambassador Stevens or the other three who lost their lives, just about making Obama look bad. Truly pathetic. This is your GOP frontrunner for president. Him and Mr. My political stunt is like the Bataan Death March. how people continue to vote for this party is really beyond me at this point. You don’t have to like the Democrats but to see these guys as an actually good idea to run the country? Yikes.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:01:26pm |
re: #86 simoom
This is just wishful thinking on Bohner’s part. His caucus would never go for it and the Democratic leadership knows it.
And here’s the part where I put on my “surprised” face:
Items frequently mentioned for inclusion in such a compromise include means-testing Medicare, chained consumer price index, raising the retirement age and comprehensive tax reform. Many Republicans would find it hard to reject a package that rewrites the Tax Code, enacts some entitlement reform and repeals Obamacare’s medical device tax.
Of course, what would Democrats get? Oh right, fucked up the ass in such a deal, followed by torn apart at the polls because they gave the GOP the gift list they really wanted and got nothing in return besides a temporary reprieve before the next ransom list.
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bratwurst Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:02:18pm |
on Fox @SenRandPaul said he had “fun” today w/ Tweet about #Benghazi (he's still “laughing abt it”). yknow Benghazi where 4 Americans killed— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) October 3, 2013
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:03:02pm |
re: #98 Targetpractice
And here’s the part where I put on my “surprised” face:
Of course, what would Democrats get? Oh right, fucked up the ass in such a deal, followed by torn apart at the polls because they gave the GOP the gift list they really wanted and got nothing in return besides a temporary reprieve before the next ransom list.
And then you know even if he refuses to budge on even one of those, Boehner will go on FNC and cry that the president is being too partisan. I really hope he stands his ground here and tells Boehner to pound sand.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:03:30pm |
Oh look, the financial bailout welfare queens are getting nervous too:
Goldman Sachs’ Blankfein warns on debt ceiling impasse
Goldman Sachs’ boss Lloyd Blankfein has warned that a failure to raise the nation’s borrowing limit would be “extremely adverse”.
The warning came after a meeting between US president Barack Obama and 15 heads of big firms on Wednesday.
Business leaders want Washington to understand “the long-term consequences of a shutdown,” said Mr Blankfein.
The US government has been shutdown since Tuesday, 1 October.
Other well-known business leaders who attended the meeting included Michael Corbat of Citigroup, Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan Chase & Co, and Brian Moynihan of Bank of America.
Well, maybe you over-privileged 1% wonders ought to have thought of that before bankrolling republicans because you couldn’t stand the thought of a teeny-tiny tax increase 9_9
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:05:28pm |
re: #101 Interesting Times
Oh look, the financial bailout welfare queens are getting nervous too:
Goldman Sachs’ Blankfein warns on debt ceiling impasse
Well, maybe you over-privilieged 1% wonders ought to have thought of that before bankrolling republicans because you couldn’t stand the thought of a teeny-tiny tax increase 9_9
Yeah the CoC is upset too. I have no sympathy whatsoever for them. They created this monster because as you said, they were unwilling to pay teeny tax increase that I imagine many of them would have tried to skirt anyhow. The Tea Party to me is the evil bastard son of the worst aspects of populism and corporatism.
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simoom Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:06:33pm |
re: #89 Interesting Times
I’m also going with everything the NRO says is noxious bullshit until proven otherwise.
Oh, I have no problem believing NRO’s reporting on this. That Boehner is desperately flailing about for some new tactic, some new way out of the hole he’s dug, and this is his latest idea.
What I don’t get is why people jump from an nascent, internal House GOP tactical discussion to divining anything about the Dems and the President. Dem leadership is clearly not going to negotiate over any of this as part of dealing with the GOP’s gov’t shutdown & debt ceiling crisis and clearly are also aware that Boehner is incapable of delivering on anything resembling the previously discussed Grand Bargain, which is why if you read the NRO article closely, what Boehner is spit-shooting about here is nothing at all like that:
And during Wednesday huddles, Ryan, Camp, and other House Republicans spoke openly about what kind of concessions they could potentially win from Democrats. …
Per sources, entitlement reforms, such as chained CPI, an elimination of the medical-device tax, and delays to parts of Obamacare are all on the table as trades for delaying aspects of sequestration and extending the debt limit. Camp, especially, is pushing to have a tax-reform framework included.
So this “Grand Bargain” consists of the GOP getting “chained CPI, an elimination of the medical-device tax, and delays to parts of Obamacare” in exchange for “delaying aspects of sequestration and extending the debt limit.” Anyone who thinks this could possibly fly is just looking for an excuse to be outraged.
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sagehen Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:12:42pm |
Obama has ZERO motivation to cut any kind of deal with Boehner, because there’s ZERO possibility that Boehner can deliver the votes to support any deal he cuts.
The only way this gets solved is if Jamie Dimon cuts a deal with Rush Limbaugh.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:13:59pm |
Part of a negotiation involves trusting the other side to live up to their end of the deal.
Why would anyone trust the GOP?
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jaunte Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:14:31pm |
re: #104 sagehen
The only way this gets solved is if Jamie Dimon cuts a deal with Rush Limbaugh.
What a parachute he could negotiate.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:14:50pm |
Silk Road has been closed - and the FBI has a sense of humor.
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jaunte Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:16:41pm |
Whattaguy
Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) has no intention of losing his paycheck.
…
“I’m working,” Lee told KUTV. “I’ll continue to be paid.”
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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:18:10pm |
re: #107 darthstar
Silk Road has been closed - and the FBI has a sense of humor.
“sprawling black market bazaar” on the Internet where hit men advertised their services and thousands of drug dealers hawked heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine.
Jita local???
;)
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:18:36pm |
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jaunte Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:20:33pm |
Sen. Warren on Republicans’ Shutdown Threats
Youtube Video
“The law is here to stay, and it will stay.”
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simoom Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:22:12pm |
re: #103 simoom
I glanced around the rest of NRO and they’re promoting a Krauthammer argument from today’s Fox panel that has to be one of the most cynical I’ve seen in a long time:
During his appearance on Special Report, Krauthammer said that the effect of the government shutdown will be practically unfelt on the economy, but the real threat to President Obama is the possibility of the federal government’s hitting its borrowing limit.
“The debt ceiling is a threat even though the blame will go to Republicans,” Krauthammer said. “It’ll have a profound effect on the economy and that will stay with him long after people have forgotten the event. And he can’t afford an economy that continues as anemically as it is right now.”
“Sure the public will overwhelmingly blame the GOP over a default, but it will all work out for us in the end as the resulting crippled economy will undermine Democratic electoral chances long after the public has forgotten the GOP’s debt ceiling debacle.”
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Kragar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:23:28pm |
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jaunte Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:24:25pm |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:24:38pm |
buzzfeed.com
So now FOX makes fun of disabled people. Stay classy fuckwads.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:24:58pm |
re: #113 Kragar
S.E. Cupp calls Ted Cruz ‘a hero’ for instigating shutdown
Dipshit.
That word, you use it, I do not think you know what it means.
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AlexRogan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:25:48pm |
re: #112 simoom
I glanced around the rest of NRO and they’re promoting a Krauthammer argument from today’s Fox panel that has to be one of the most cynical I’ve seen in a long time:
“Sure the public will overwhelmingly blame the GOP over a default, but it will all work out for us in the end as the resulting crippled economy will undermine Democratic electoral chances long after the public has forgotten the GOP’s debt ceiling debacle.”
Ladies and gentleman, a prime example of the GOP brain trust, a blessed disciple of the Holy Church of Fuck You, I’ve Got Mine.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:26:30pm |
'Self-Righteous Orwellian Zebra Queefs!' Jon Stewart Lobs Every Insult in the Book at GOP http://t.co/oCHuXGRQ6g via @mediaite #libcrib— Sasha (@sasha031) October 3, 2013
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austin_blue Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:27:36pm |
re: #112 simoom
I glanced around the rest of NRO and they’re promoting a Krauthammer argument from today’s Fox panel that has to be one of the most cynical I’ve seen in a long time:
“Sure the public will overwhelmingly blame the GOP over a default, but it will all work out for us in the end as the resulting crippled economy will undermine Democratic electoral chances long after the public has forgotten the GOP’s debt ceiling debacle.”
You are correct that that is his spin, but I disagree with his conclusion. No matter how hard the Right spins it, they will be to blame. It’s a position outside of reality. Not that unusual for Krauthammer.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:29:19pm |
re: #117 AlexRogan
Ladies and gentleman, a prime example of the GOP brain trust, a blessed disciple of the Holy Church of Fuck You, I’ve Got Mine.
This is everything that is wrong with the GOP/conservative mindset. Honestly, my priority isn’t the GOP looking bad because of this. It wouldn’t kill me if they do of course but I’m more upset at the negative ramifications for actual people not some pathetic party that cares only about hurting POTUS.
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The Mountain That Blogs Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:29:54pm |
re: #119 austin_blue
And in a bad economy, the GOP would be running as…what, the party of fiscal responsibility? After forcing a default? Well, they don’t lack for chutzpah.
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piratedan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:30:45pm |
re: #117 AlexRogan
the old “fuck the country! We’re in charge!” gambit…. couldn’t we ask these guys to partake a secret mission to take over some uninhabited Island paradise and set themselves up in some Galtian paradise? We can give them all fully loaded M16’s and a crate of Spam and then televise the carnage on the MILITARY Channel for their sponsors.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:30:51pm |
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Carlos Danger Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:33:47pm |
re: #122 piratedan
the old “fuck the country! We’re in charge!” gambit…. couldn’t we ask these guys to partake a secret mission to take over some uninhabited Island paradise and set themselves up in some Galtian paradise? We can give them all fully loaded M16’s and a crate of Spam and then televise the carnage on the MILITARY Channel for their sponsors.
Will they have bitcoins? Fantasy money for a fantasy economy!
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jaunte Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:34:39pm |
Speaking of cynical:
Day 2 of #HarryReidsShutDown almost over..how much longer will Dems be willing to shut down the entire gov't just to defend the #trainwreck?
— Reince Priebus (@Reince) October 3, 2013
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:35:11pm |
re: #123 Kragar
Dipshit?
Ha, there is that. Saw a story today about him getting all pissy that his credit card wasn’t taken at Hooters when Limbaugh had him on the show. Ended up leaving without giving a tip. Always neat to know that some people are in private as they act in public.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:35:39pm |
re: #125 jaunte
Speaking of cynical:
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What a little shit. He thinks this Blame Reid meme is going to take off, how very sad and cynical of him. The least eh could do is be like many of his colleagues and celerbate the shutdown.
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ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:38:32pm |
GOP lawmakers have a popularity of 17%.
That is roughly the same level of popularity as the MB had in Egypt before the military did their Coup to save Egypt.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:40:20pm |
re: #128 ProTARDISLiberal
GOP lawmakers have a popularity of 17%.
That is roughly the same level of popularity as the MB had in Egypt before the military did their Coup to save Egypt.
And now we play the game, How Low Can You Go? I think by shutdown’s end, they’ll be below 10%.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:40:54pm |
re: #125 jaunte
Speaking of cynical:
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Day Two of the GOP Shutdown and, from all appearances, the desperation has begun to set in. From Saturday, when there were cheers and celebration, the House GOP is now reduced to symbolic votes and open talk about trying to work out a “Grand Bargain” despite the Tea Party slapping your asses when you tried that last time.
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Carlos Danger Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:41:43pm |
re: #125 jaunte
Speaking of cynical:
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Good grief it’s a settled law.
In other news, I’m pleasantly surprised my former representative (Dent, R PA-15) was the first guy to actually buck the party leadership, and stand by it (unlike some of these other clowns). Never thought he had it in him.
One out of 230 is a pretty shitty statistic though.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:42:16pm |
re: #112 simoom
Quick! Someone tell me again how Krauthammer is a reasonable, intelligent guy.
Fuck him. He’s been a hack for years, and now he’s a deeply cynical hack.
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austin_blue Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:42:19pm |
re: #127 HappyWarrior
What a little shit.
He is what he is and what he is is a megaphone for a desperate group of “leaders” who have lost control of their Party.
I’m making popcorn. This is the stupidest thing I’ve seen since ‘95. If they double down on the debt limit, they are simply macroeconomic anarchists who don’t understand how global finance works. Wouldn’t put it past them, though.
Drink!!
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:43:30pm |
re: #132 Lidane
Quick! Someone tell me again how Krauthammer is a reasonable, intelligent guy.
Fuck him. He’s been a hack for years, and now he’s a deeply cynical hack.
Krauthammer I think lost any claim to be intelligent when he whined that Obama knew that the weather would be bad in Charlotte the day of his convention acceptance speech. You’re right though. He’s always been a hack but now he’s a cynical one.
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ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:43:57pm |
re: #129 HappyWarrior
I am waiting for the US Republican Party to do something flagrantly illegal. Then, there will be a way to fix this disaster.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:44:45pm |
re: #131 Carlos Danger
Good grief it’s a settled law.
In other news, I’m pleasantly surprised my former representative (Dent R-15) was the first guy to actually buck the party leadership, and stand by it (unlike some of these other clowns). Never thought he had it in him.
One out of 230 is a pretty shitty statistic though.
Yeah the part about it being settled law seems to really annoy Reince and the others who want to pretend like it’s not or try to claim as Rand Paul did that we didn’t debate it enough which is pretty laughable since without the outrage spawned by ACA, Rand Paul is just his Dad’s son and another doctor in Kentucky.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:50:41pm |
I’m trying to think of a good analogy here but I imagine the REpublican Party would be none too happy if they had a legislation that their president worked hard to pass and one that had its legality challenged and later affirmed. And then had to see futile attempts to repeal such legislation despite that law’s signer still residing in the WH. Preince seems to think this should be a debate about ACA itself. NEvermind that, we had that and that debate unfortunately is why we have the GOP running the House today. It is completely unacceptable for any party to hold the country hostage like this over what they know is a futile attempt. They know Obama won’t repeal ACA or defund it. If they want to try this, if they ever get one of their own back in the WH, go for it. I think the real reason they’re doing these futilte attempts is they’re afraid to hell that ACA will be a popular and worse in their eyes, an efficient program. ACA being efficient is I think literally their worst nightmare at this point. IT’s why I think they could hardly contain their joy about the website having programs. They weren’t upset that people were having a hard time enrolling. They were upset that enough people were interested enough to enroll. If ACA ends up being efficient as well as popular, it will be yet another strike against modern conservative dogma. The dogma that rejected Social Security adn later Medicare as inefficient and not worth the public’s time.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:51:15pm |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:52:40pm |
re: #138 Kragar
Rand Paul accuses Democrats of ‘scaring people’ over debt ceiling
The irony of Rand Paul to accuse anyone of using scare tactics. Him and his father could write an encyclopedia about what scare tactics are.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:53:39pm |
re: #136 HappyWarrior
Yeah the part about it being settled law seems to really annoy Reince and the others who want to pretend like it’s not or try to claim as Rand Paul did that we didn’t debate it enough which is pretty laughable since without the outrage spawned by ACA, Rand Paul is just his Dad’s son and another doctor in Kentucky.
I’ve seen quite a few dipshits on Twitter and elsewhere pull out the “hurr durr slavery and Jim Crow were settled law too!” failure as if the ACA is somehow comparable to laws that justified owning another human being or “separate but equal” racist laws.
These fucktards have no sense of history and no perspective. Not surprising, given all their time in the RWNJ un-reality bubble.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:56:00pm |
re: #138 Kragar
Rand Paul accuses Democrats of ‘scaring people’ over debt ceiling
Dear Senator Aqua Buddha (R-Galt’s Gulch),
People SHOULD be scared about you assholes fucking with our full faith and credit. We’ve never defaulted before and we shouldn’t start now.
Also, fuck you.
No love,
Me
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:57:20pm |
Televangelist asks God for military takeover of U.S. government http://t.co/52w39zt6r8— Huffington Post (@HuffingtonPost) October 3, 2013
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 9:58:08pm |
re: #140 Lidane
I’ve seen quite a few dipshits on Twitter and elsewhere pull out the “hurr durr slavery and Jim Crow were settled law too!” failure as if the ACA is somehow comparable to laws that justified owning another human being or “separate but equal” racist laws.
These fucktards have no sense of history and no perspective. Not surprising, given all their time in the RWNJ un-reality bubble.
Reminds me of what we’ve seen them do with Roe “but the USSC once said slavery was legal too!” It’s funny. These are the same people who think they know the Constitution better than anyone else and they still can’t handle that the USSC said “No, sorry you’re wrong, this is constitutional.” They tried going with Obamacare is a tax like Romney did. It didn’t work. Now they’re trying to defund it and that won’t work either. Sooner or later they’re going to have to accept it. The funniest thing will be in a generation seeing some of them try to claim it was the right that supported ACA all along and it was the left that wanted to sabotage it. Kind of like how they do with civil rights and slavery.
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ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:01:20pm |
re: #142 Lidane
Again, needs to be arrested.
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gwangung Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:01:45pm |
re: #140 Lidane
I’ve seen quite a few dipshits on Twitter and elsewhere pull out the “hurr durr slavery and Jim Crow were settled law too!” failure as if the ACA is somehow comparable to laws that justified owning another human being or “separate but equal” racist laws.
You know how we did away with slavery and Jim Crow?
We passed an amendment and a law. WE DIDN’T SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT.
In fact, the ones who DID try to shut down the government were the ones who tried to keep slavery alive.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:01:53pm |
The same assholes who say they can’t be taxed to pay for healthcare seem perfectly fine with being taxed to pay for bank bailouts and oil subsidies.
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Carlos Danger Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:02:03pm |
Nobody is going to fucking care about what Harry Reid said or 90 year old WWII veterans pissing on trees when a default happens.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:06:14pm |
re: #147 Carlos Danger
Nobody is going to fucking care about what Harry Reid said or 90 year old WWII veterans pissing on trees when a default happens.
If we end up in serious danger of default, I hope that POTUS pulls the trigger and invokes the 14th Amendment, then raises it on his own.
Let the GOP impeach him for it. What would his crime be? Making sure the world economy doesn’t collapse due to their intransigence?
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ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:15:08pm |
re: #147 Carlos Danger
That frightens the shit out of me.
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Teukka Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:15:16pm |
re: #148 Lidane
If we end up in serious danger of default, I hope that POTUS pulls the trigger and invokes the 14th Amendment, then raises it on his own.
Let the GOP impeach him for it. What would his crime be? Making sure the world economy doesn’t collapse due to their intransigence?
Problem is that this teahadi debacle doesn’t need to go as far as slamming into the debt ceiling and defaulting, the closer it comes to that date, the higher the risk is that the confidence in the US dollar erodes away.
And as it is the reserve currency of a significant number of countries, once the erosion reaches that stage, it will most likely cause a cascading failure that not even invoking the 14th amendment will be able to stop.
And the ramifications will be global.
I wonder, will the rest of the world let the GOP and its sister parties world wide get away with being the chief cause?
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Mattand Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:17:44pm |
re: #148 Lidane
If we end up in serious danger of default, I hope that POTUS pulls the trigger and invokes the 14th Amendment, then raises it on his own.
Let the GOP impeach him for it. What would his crime be? Making sure the world economy doesn’t collapse due to their intransigence?
I’m really beginning to think this the endgame for the GOP: force Obama into taking drastic action to prevent worldwide economic destruction, and then try to remove him by impeachment.
I’m watching tonight Daily Show rebroadcast, and they’re doing a bit about the alleged 80 Tea Baggers that are running the show. It’s almost plausible that this is the GOP plan; the other option is that they really are that spineless.
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BongCrodny Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:19:06pm |
re: #140 Lidane
I’ve seen quite a few dipshits on Twitter and elsewhere pull out the “hurr durr slavery and Jim Crow were settled law too!” failure as if the ACA is somehow comparable to laws that justified owning another human being or “separate but equal” racist laws.
These fucktards have no sense of history and no perspective. Not surprising, given all their time in the RWNJ un-reality bubble.
They’re talking about slavery and Jim Crow laws as being wrong, but there was that guy at this year’s CPAC convention *defending* slavery.
There were also the stories last month about segregation going on now at the University of Alabama.
It seems as though that among at least a portion of the wingnut crowd, these issues are *not* settled law.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:22:24pm |
This drive of the wingnut right to push the GOP to absurd exercises arises out of a fundamental conflict happening in our society, and we shouldn’t over look the big picture.
This is an example of a multidimensional fail that is happening in our society as we tie ourselves into gordian knots because reality is too much for some people:
Ball State reviewing complaint about ‘atheism’ class
There’s so much FAIL going on there -
Higher education officials so afraid to offend anyone that they won’t speak the truth.
Higher education in public institutions afraid of the political atmosphere in a state (in this case Indiana) where the politicians will not agree with the academics.
Media - in this case calling the DI “a Washington state-based intelligent design group” is sort of like calling XOM “an oil company”. DI is the principle instigator of these sort of things.
Our society - which just can’t come to terms with the idea that primitive ideas of the universe are, in fact, wrong.
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Teukka Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:25:48pm |
re: #151 Mattand
I’m really beginning to think this the endgame for the GOP: force Obama into taking drastic action to prevent worldwide economic destruction, and then try to remove him by impeachment.
I’m watching tonight Daily Show rebroadcast, and they’re doing a bit about the alleged 80 Tea Baggers that are running the show. It’s almost plausible that this is the GOP plan; the other option is that they really are that spineless.
Not to mention brainless.
They don’t realize that just this shutdown at this sensitive juncture in world economics can cause worldwide economic destruction, the only thing that needs to happen is that confidence in the US ability to pay its debts gets eroded away, and things don’t have to go as far slamming into the debt ceiling for that to happen.
All it will take is for a major global market player to lose their cool and you will most likely see a cascading market failure (see: “Aww f**k, there goes the markets”).
And writing this, a scary thought just struck me… What if this is the tealiban plan all along, causing a financial Armageddon in hopes of it triggering a real one? *shudders*
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:28:24pm |
Amusing watching GOP all giddy crafting its newest Christmas list, as if making demands is equal to getting them. http://t.co/hmFMIad2zY!— Taniel (@Taniel) October 3, 2013
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:32:25pm |
Ted Cruz faced a barrage of hostile questions Wednesday from angry GOP senators, who lashed the Texas tea party freshman for helping prompt a government shutdown crisis without a strategy to end it.
At a closed-door lunch meeting in the Senate’s Mansfield Room, Republican after Republican pressed Cruz to explain how he would propose to end the bitter budget impasse with Democrats, according to senators who attended the meeting. A defensive Cruz had no clear plan to force an end to the shutdown — or explain how he would defund Obamacare, as he has demanded all along, sources said.Things got particularly heated when Cruz was asked point-blank if he would renounce attacks waged on GOP senators by the Senate Conservatives Fund, an outside group that has aligned itself closely with the Texas senator.
Cruz’s response: “I will not,” according to an attendee.
You know what, there’s an easy way out of this for the Senate Republicans if they’re so pissed off. Since the Senate itself decides who can serve they can simply go to Reid and say they want Cruz expelled the Senate. It would send a good message to the House Republicans too that this GOP civil war will end, figuratively, with Tea Party bodies bobbing in the reflecting pool and moderates reclaiming the party.
It’s gone too far, this is one of the only ways this ends well. Otherwise the GOP is forever doomed. If the moderates don’t take a stand and fight for their own party they are going to be primaried out of existence, defect or go independent and split safe Republican seats. Pretty much no matter what the GOP is finished on the national stage for about 40 years and if/when it comes back it will be in name only. It needs to burn so that something less bigoted, angry and insane can rise from the ashes.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:40:37pm |
re: #156 goddamnedfrank
… the GOP civil war will end, figuratively, with Tea Party bodies bobbing in the reflecting pool and moderates reclaiming their party.
Not going to happen.
Take the latest from Mullah Mohler as an example of how the far right is excommunicating the “moderates” from the GOP:
George and Barbara Witness a Wedding—When a Private Act Sends a Public Message
Former President George H. W. Bush and his wife Barbara attended a wedding a few days ago, and it made national news. According to The Washington Post, the elder Bushes attended the wedding of Bonnie Clement and Helen Thorgalsen, held at Kennebunkport, Maine. The two lesbians, co-owners of a general store in neighboring Kennebunk, were married in an outdoor celebration attended by family and friends. The 41st President of the United States was present, along with the former First Lady. Bonnie Clement told The Washington Post, “Who would be best to acknowledge the importance of our wedding as our friends and as the former leader of the free world? When they agreed to do so we just felt that it was the next acknowledgement of being ‘real and normal.’”
As it turns out, President Bush did not merely attend the wedding. He also served as an official witness, signing the legal documents for the ceremony and the Maine wedding license. Under a photograph with the former president the couple added the words, “Getting our marriage license witnessed!”
[…]
Attendance at a wedding is not a neutral act. The history and context of the wedding ceremony identify all those present as agreeing to the rightness of the marriage and acting as witnesses to the exchange of vows. This is why the venerable language of The Book of Common Prayer, used in the overwhelming majority of Christian weddings, calls upon anyone with knowledge that the proposed union is invalid to speak, “or forever hold his peace.” Anyone remaining silent at that point is affirming the rightness and validity of the marriage, and all who are present are counted as both witnesses and those who celebrate the union.
[…] At some point, we will either attend a same-sex ceremony, or we will not. Declining to attend will come with undeniable relational consequences, but so would attending.
[…]
No one said this was going to be easy, and this is hardly the end of the predicaments and perplexities that will challenge Christians who stand on biblical teaching in the days ahead. This is one question, however, that Christians had better think through fast. A wedding invitation might soon be headed your way.
The Mullah’s bottom line isn’t that is was wrong for the Bushes to officially witness the wedding, but their mere attendance was wrong.
It’s this sort of fanaticism that is driving Cruz, and Bachmann and Gohmert! and the rest. This is a religious war, not just quibbling over tax accounting and specific government programs.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:43:43pm |
re: #158 freetoken
Not going to happen.
Take the latest from Mullah Mohler as an example of how the far right is excommunicating the “moderates” from the GOP:
George and Barbara Witness a Wedding—When a Private Act Sends a Public Message
The Mullah’s bottom line isn’t that is was wrong for the Bushes to officially witness the wedding, but their mere attendance was wrong.
It’s this sort of fanaticism that is driving Cruz, and Bachmann and Gohmert! and the rest. This is a religious war, not just quibbling over tax accounting and specific government programs.
No offense to George and Barbara Bush but it’s sad to me that a couple their age is what can be seen as progressive by GOP standards on GLBT issues. Gerald Ford and Betty Ford also supported GLBT rights as did Barry Goldwater and hell even Reagan wasn’t too fanatical anti gay despite his pandering to the Moral Majority crowd.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:46:04pm |
Daily Show - John Stewart to John Oliver
“So what we need is for moderate Republicans to join with Democrats and solve this situation.”
pause
“BWAHAHAHA!”
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:48:34pm |
But more seriously I applaud the Bushes here. I’ll admit. Never thought much of them really and I don’t think H.W Bush can be totally forgiven for giving into the Atwater wing and running the Horton ad but as an ex-president, I think he and the wife have been admirable and politics aside, I think he’s a decent enough guy. I wish their son would apologize for using GLBT Americans as a political tool to help his re-election. The anti-gay marriage referedums that year is what really showed me what nasty bigots the GOP can be. I think we’re going to find out eventually that many GOP leaders were anti-gay just to get votes like many old time Southern politicians used to exploit race to get elected. Not condoning it, in fact strongly condemning it since it’s even worse in my book to pander to bigotry than to be the real thing in politics.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:51:56pm |
re: #161 HappyWarrior
The GOP is reaping the reward for their political maneuverings that started with Nixon and his southern strategy, continued with Reagan and his Moral Majority play, and the Atwater approach to racial/class politics.
The GOP didn’t start out as the stupid party - it worked its way there by appealing to atavists for votes for 40 years.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:53:58pm |
re: #162 freetoken
The GOP is reaping the reward for their political maneuverings that started with Nixon and his southern strategy, continued with Reagan and his Moral Majority play, and the Atwater approach to racial/class politics.
The GOP didn’t start out as the stupid party - it worked its way there by appealing to atavists for votes for 40 years.
Yep and it’s why I have no sympathy for so called moderates who think they can save the party. They mean well but they’ve put their lot in with exactly what you’re describing. The party of Ike, Lincoln, and TR is now the party of Limbaugh, Santorum, and Cruz. Plus usually their criticisms of their party always come with “But you know the Democrats to”. The Dems have problems but their problem isn’t that they’ve pandered to narrow minded bigots with no ideology.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 2, 2013 11:16:50pm |
But he said he will vote for the smaller spending bills out of loyalty to Boehner, even as he criticized the group behind Cruz as “lemmings.”“I’m going to continue to support our leadership. Even if we have entered the valley of death, when you enter the valley of death you have to keep running and the whole team has to stick together,” a frustrated Nunes told reporters outside the House floor.
King acknowledged the effort to get more Republicans to push for a clean spending bill could take some time and probably wouldn’t result in a new strategy until “the tea party has had enough.”
This describes, in a nutshell, the entire problem with Republican politics. It’s a gang mentality, pure and simple. You see Democratic Blue Dogs and liberal congresspeople standing up to their party all the time. Republicans on the other hand act like they’re in a prison fight, and even though they’ll talk shit in the end they’re out there fighting reflexively side by side with the same people who inflict the most damage and abuse on them.
By and large these people have no integrity, capacity for independent action and more importantly no self respect. That’s why family identity plays such a huge role in the identities of especially younger republicans, it’s a gang. First you hang around it and suffer the abuse, slowing becoming brainwashed before they’re jumped in and are now down for life. The entire concept of leaving has been systematically beaten out of them, all that exists is the next fight, it’s shank or be shanked.
Deep down what all Republicans really need is a Psychologist, a couch to lay down on and a sympathetic ear to hear about their warped Daddy issues.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 2, 2013 11:18:16pm |
CEOs warn of “extremely adverse” effects of debt ceiling standoff http://t.co/6zQxT32phV— Huffington Post (@HuffingtonPost) October 3, 2013
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 2, 2013 11:25:16pm |
re: #165 Lidane
The most epic case of buyer’s remorse in the history of history. Sorry guys, you built the golem, you kill it.
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sagehen Wed, Oct 2, 2013 11:25:38pm |
re: #145 gwangung
You know how we did away with slavery and Jim Crow?
We passed an amendment and a law. WE DIDN’T SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT.
In fact, the ones who DID try to shut down the government were the ones who tried to keep slavery alive.
um… the way we got rid of slavery involved 4 years of war, utter destruction of half a dozen major cities and countless small towns, that in total cost 2% of the population and more than a full year’s GDP.
Ending Jim Crow was somewhat less disruptive, if only because the effects were spread over 5 decades.
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AlexRogan Wed, Oct 2, 2013 11:35:40pm |
re: #165 Lidane
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Those CEOs are bitching to the wrong person; it seems to me that they should really be talking to the Congressional Republicans (giving the House GOP special attention), not the President.
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klys Wed, Oct 2, 2013 11:37:48pm |
One page of wrong and mostly useless algebra later and I have finished the proofs! Bwahahahaha.
…too bad the next set comes out Friday.
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BongCrodny Wed, Oct 2, 2013 11:38:34pm |
re: #168 AlexRogan
Those CEOs are bitching to the wrong person; it seems to me that they should really be talking to the Congressional Republicans (giving the House GOP special attention), not the President.
They wanted to speak to an adult.
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piratedan Thu, Oct 3, 2013 12:14:47am |
re: #170 BongCrodny
They wanted to speak to an adult.
I’m sure that they did and I’m sure that Big O listened intently knowing that for the last five years that these same assholes have opposed every bit of financial reform that has been introduced to help protect average Americans while these fucktards have been busy padding portfolios and enabling the very people that are standing outside their treehouse with a can of kerosene and a zippo lighter and a faraway look in their eyes.
I really feel safe at night knowing that these financial titans are so busy looking after short term gains and their personal parachutes while telling the rest of us to invest in the long haul (which happens to be made longer thanks to their own selfishness, but that’s why they pull down these big CEO salaries I assume).
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freetoken Thu, Oct 3, 2013 12:32:15am |
I’ll ascribe my love of French music to one of my ancestors who seems to pop up all over my family tree, Geoffrey I, Count of Anjou, whose descendants found a way into just about every family tree of anyone with English ancestry. Aggressive DNA, that.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 3, 2013 12:48:00am |
Put simply, Texas is a State of mind Delusion:
East Texan who studies Bigfoot DNA says new video helps prove species existence
Bigfoot. Is it real or is it a hoax? Well one East Texas woman has dedicated the past five years to studying DNA of the species.
Members of the “Sasquatch Genome Project” recently released new, higher quality, never before seen footage of Bigfoot.
It took the “Sasquatch Genome Project” more than five years and nearly half a million dollars to do it but this group of scientists believe they have proven the existence of Bigfoot.
“Neither evidence will stand alone under the scrutiny we’re getting. Well mine would be it’s not interesting to the viewers because it’s DNA,” said lead investigator, Dr. Melba Ketchum.
The group recently released new video they captured of the illusive creature.
Ketchum says she studied a DNA sample of this specimen you see right here in the video shot by team member Adrian Erikson.
“We tested among other things the red hair gene and when we sequenced the red haired gene in this individual…she’s red and she had human sequence of that particular gene and it’s has red hair,” said Ketchum. “The physical attributes of the specimen in his video is exactly matches what we tested and nobody could’ve predicted that. In other words, her DNA matches her video which is so wonderful.”
[…]
And when asked why there weren’t any remains or bodies to study…
“They are able to hide from us. That why there’s not bodies. They live in the environment,” said Ketchum. “They have the cunning of animals and the intelligence of humans and more.”
Ketchum says she was once a skeptic but that all changed because she has seen Bigfoot with her own two eyes.
“They took me up to North Texas and I was able to actually see, I saw 5 that day. It just blew my mind,” said Ketchum.
[…]
Ketchum has been at this for a long time. Her so called “DNA evidence” of a few months back was thoroughly debunked.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 3, 2013 12:49:49am |
In the wake of the takedown of Silk Road and news of Ulbricht’s arrest, the allegations of violence against him come as an extra shock to the market’s users. Under his apparent pseudonym as the Dread Pirate Roberts, Ulbricht wrote political manifestos on the Silk Road forums describing his human-rights-focused free market ethics. The site’s users generally held him in high esteem, describing him as a “hero,” “our own Che Guevara” and “a soldier of justice and freedom.”
Let that sink in for a second, it shocked them that the guy they described as their Che Guevara turned out to be a murderous douchebag.
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piratedan Thu, Oct 3, 2013 1:03:32am |
re: #175 goddamnedfrank
Let that sink in for a second, it shocked them that the guy they described as their Che Guevara turned out to be a murderous douchebag.
chances are that the full extent of their knowledge about Che Guevara was his image on a T-Shirt that other Glibo-Hipsters wear alluding to a misguided belief that information must be free, or at least, yours should be, while theirs are reliably stored on a heavily encrypted removable hard drive that is protected by rabid squirrels that live inside an old server tower.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 3, 2013 1:05:17am |
With a Gmail address to hand, Agent-1 linked this address to accounts on the Google+ social network and YouTube video site. There he discovered some of Mr Ulbricht’s interests.Among them, according to the viewing history, was economics. In particular, Mr Ulbricht’s account had “favourited” several clips from the Ludwig von Mises Institute, a renowned Austrian school of economics.
Years later, on the Silk Road discussion forums, Dread Pirate Roberts would make several references to the Mises Institute and its work.
This is my surprised face. Many faces are like it but this one is mine.
Austrian economics, the radioactive groundwater plume that slowly poisons everything.
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thecommodore Thu, Oct 3, 2013 1:16:44am |
re: #1 Charles Johnson
Promoted because you wrote “stealing the spotlight of stupidity.”
Aw shucks….Thanks! :P
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 1:32:45am |
re: #175 goddamnedfrank
Let that sink in for a second, it shocked them that the guy they described as their Che Guevara turned out to be a murderous douchebag.
Why would that be a shock? After all, the guy is peddling substances that can lead to one of the worst forms of slavery there is.
I mean, this would be totally hilarious, if it weren’t pathetic: “Ulbricht wrote political manifestos on the Silk Road forums describing his human-rights-focused free market ethics.” That sounds like a dealer who is into his own supply—heavily.
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 2:32:51am |
Not surprising, where there’s tons of money to be made. I’ve never been a fan of football because I always saw it as more of a war-like activity, not so much a clean competitive sport.
Book: NFL crusaded against science
“The National Football League conducted a two-decade campaign to deny a growing body of scientific research that showed a link between playing football and brain damage, according to a new book co-authored by a pair of ESPN investigative reporters.
“The book, “League of Denial: The NFL, Concussions and the Battle for Truth,” reports that the NFL used its power and resources to discredit independent scientists and their work; that the league cited research data that minimized the dangers of concussions while emphasizing the league’s own flawed research; and that league executives employed an aggressive public relations strategy designed to keep the public unaware of what league executives really knew about the effects of playing the game. ESPN The Magazine and Sports Illustrated published book excerpts on Wednesday morning.”
So many of this country’s treasured mythical traditions being exposed is driving some people to the worst kinds of reaction as well. Part of football’s “charm” and draw is watching players undergo terrible physical abuse, isn’t it? If it was played as ballet, no one would watch.
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 2:51:07am |
Well, I’ll say it: It’s conservatives who will pit one child against countless others who suffer because not everyone has the means, opportunity and money to wage a campaign to get special treatment in the press or outside it. Besides, I always thought conservatives believe “charity” can help more than govt? Except when it applies to them and then they will run PR campaigns to get what they want, whether anyone else does or not. All their blather about “changing laws” or regulations, etc are just hot air once their own selfish needs are met. We see exactly how conservatives works as they try to de-legitimize and hold ACA hostage to their refusal to fund the govt and get our bills paid.
Conservatives Made It Up: Harry Reid Didn’t Dismiss Funding Treatment For Children With Cancer
Trying to put a particular person at the head of the line when others are suffering just as much, or more, is, IMHO, worse and selfish, esp when there are few resources or solutions which can be thinly spread.
They miss the entire point: That no one should suffer needlessly, and that disease is not a game show you compete in with rewards at the end that you “win”.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 3:33:39am |
Good Morning!
I have to ask. Has any piece of legislation met with such fervent minority opposition since the CRA? Was it even this bad? Was it this bad before the Civil War?
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 3:35:03am |
re: #180 Justanotherhuman
Not surprising, where there’s tons of money to be made. I’ve never been a fan of football because I always saw it as more of a war-like activity, not so much a clean competitive sport.
Book: NFL crusaded against science
“The National Football League conducted a two-decade campaign to deny a growing body of scientific research that showed a link between playing football and brain damage, according to a new book co-authored by a pair of ESPN investigative reporters.
“The book, “League of Denial: The NFL, Concussions and the Battle for Truth,” reports that the NFL used its power and resources to discredit independent scientists and their work; that the league cited research data that minimized the dangers of concussions while emphasizing the league’s own flawed research; and that league executives employed an aggressive public relations strategy designed to keep the public unaware of what league executives really knew about the effects of playing the game. ESPN The Magazine and Sports Illustrated published book excerpts on Wednesday morning.”
So many of this country’s treasured mythical traditions being exposed is driving some people to the worst kinds of reaction as well. Part of football’s “charm” and draw is watching players undergo terrible physical abuse, isn’t it? If it was played as ballet, no one would watch.
I really, really see this as racist in a sense. Has anyone been getting on Hockey’s ass? Which is more violent?
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freetoken Thu, Oct 3, 2013 3:38:52am |
Michelle Bachmann, the gift that keeps on giving:
Kent Sorenson Resigns from the Iowa Senate
Iowa Senate Republican Leader Bill Dix (R-Shell Rock) Announced State Senator Kent Sorenson’s (R-Indianola) resignation shortly after an independent investigator delivered a report to the Senate Ethics Committee which found “probable cause” that Sorenson did break ethics rules when he accepted funds from a PAC closely associated to Michelle Bachmann. The report also found that his denials of taking that money may constitute a felony under Iowa law. “Today, I called for Senator Sorenson’s resignation, and he agreed to do so effective immediately,” Dix said in a statement released early this evening. (Sorenson Investigation Report Part I, Part II)
Sorenson announced his resignation on Facebook, and he resigned in a defiant fashion maintaining his innocence. He claims he has been targeted due to his stands on the Iowa Supreme Court and other issues. You can read below:
It is with heavy heart that I write this letter of resignation to you, my constituents. In 2008, many of you coalesced around what seemed to be an impossible campaign that was my candidacy for State Representative of Iowa House district 74.
[…]
You agreed with the issues I campaigned on, like really fighting for the unborn, fighting against ever-increasing government encroachment into our lives and against big spending, fighting to protect the 2nd Amendment and always fighting against those who want to squash the rights the God gave us and that our Founding Fathers acknowledged when they laid the foundations our country was built upon.
[…]
I remembered how much you folks want to go up to Des Moines and beat some sense into the out-of-touch politicians who think they know better than the little guy trying to run a small business. I remembered how frustrated a lot of you folks were that we keep sending “pro-life”and “pro-gun” candidates up to Des Moines only to have them return with a bunch of excuses and “that’s the way it is.” I remembered how frustrated a lot of you folks were that we keep electing “fiscal conservatives” every election but then watch helplessly as spending kept skyrocketing.
So I kept my promise and started fighting. I fought increased spending. I fought to defund taxpayer funded abortions and sponsored Life at Conception. I fought to protect our 2nd Amendment rights and fought against gun-control bills and sponsored Constitutional Carry.
I fought against government intrusions into the family and home like Obamacare and redefining of the family. I fought against family-budget crippling tax increases.
But doing so painted a big target on my back, and today I’m unable to continue that fight. […]
I’ve made mistakes and missteps along the way. I said things that should have been worded differently, I said things out of fear and at times I stumbled.
[…]
More importantly to me and my family, however, I did not do anything I believe was immoral.The “investigation” from the outset has been a sham. My attackers were never required to substantiate the claims they made against me or exactly how I “broke the Iowa senate rule.” But when the committee charged with doing their due diligence in weighing the truthfulness of the allegations against me shirked their duty and referred the baseless complaint to the Iowa Supreme Court for investigation, it became clear where the train was heading.
It became an honest, straight-up political witch hunt. I have never made a secret of my feelings toward the Iowa Supreme Court. They believe and have for several years that they have the power to legislate from the bench. I happily and publicly helped in the effort to remove them from the bench in 2010, and was even happier to run against the spouse of one of these supreme jurists.
So what did the court do?
They took their revenge out on me by appointing a fox to investigate the hen-house. The investigator’s family, according to a quick search of the Iowa Campaign Ethics and Disclosure Board, appears to only have a history of donating money to Democrat candidates. The game was rigged from the beginning.
After sitting down with the investigator, it was clear his mind was already made up, and anything I had to say was irrelevant to the foregone conclusion. More than that, the investigator was given broad and liberal interpretive powers of the senate rules, in the same fashion that some folks interpret the US Constitution to have different “interpretations” when it comes to our rights.
[…]
Sincerely,
Kent Sorenson
So, he’s playing the victim card.
If you remember, Iowa replaced two of its Supreme Court justices because they ruled that homosexual marriage is allowable by the Iowa constitution, a ruling legal analysts agree was an accurate interpretation of said constitution.
Yet the religious right fumed and got two of the justices replaced.
This guy Sorenson is part of the religious right, and now he’s claiming the Iowa SC is picking on him.
Note that the Iowa state senate is split down the middle, half them Republicans, and so the ethics committee is not controlled by the local Democratic party.
Yet Sorenson can’t even admit that his fellow Republicans agreed to go along with the judgement that he broke the rules.
I guess when you’re doing God’s will man’s laws don’t matter, eh?
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freetoken Thu, Oct 3, 2013 3:44:24am |
Speaking of the Party of God:
Harris joins GOP race with appeal to social conservatives
Republican Mark Harris officially joined North Carolina’s U.S. Senate race Wednesday with an appeal to social and small-government conservatives who helped him win passage of last year’s marriage amendment.
Fresh off leading a revival in Eastern North Carolina, the Charlotte pastor wrapped up a day-long tour in Charlotte after a fly-around to six cities from Wilmington to Asheville.
Harris, 47, is pastor of First Baptist Church and president of the N.C. Baptist State Convention. In his first try for public office, he hopes to turn political inexperience into an advantage.
[…]
Harris, who helped lead the 2012 fight for the constitutional amendment that banned gay marriage, hopes to appeal to social conservatives.
Wednesday, he told supporters that American “must recommit to those values which made America great – traditional values of faith and family.”
[…]
Harris, wearing a “Jesus First” lapel pin, announced his campaign shortly after finishing a revival in rural Sampson County. He plans to continue preaching until taking a leave of absence early next year.
“This has been quite interesting for me this week, as again God is leading me to this challenge of entering the race for U.S. Senate,” he posted in a blog Wednesday.
[…]
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 3:46:55am |
re: #154 Teukka
And writing this, a scary thought just struck me… What if this is the tealiban plan all along, causing a financial Armageddon in hopes of it triggering a real one? *shudders*
I’m 90% certain that is their plan.
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 3:50:45am |
re: #185 freetoken
The moniker “Party of God” has a nicer, neater ring to it in Arabic:
Hezbollah.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 3:51:57am |
re: #187 freetoken
Died years ago.
Ya know, I’m so behind on things, she could be a Zombie and I would not know.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 3:52:21am |
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 3:53:35am |
I think we’ll be finding the bodies left behind by Michelle for decades to come.
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 3:54:39am |
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 3:56:47am |
re: #193 Dr Lizardo
It ties in with the fundies eschatological belief system.
The Family? There was another book I read a couple of years ago —spelled it all out. Israel finds oil —the whole sheeebang.
Insanity is what I call it
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:00:05am |
re: #183 FemNaziBitch
How is it racist? I don’t quite understand your conclusion.
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:03:41am |
re: #194 FemNaziBitch
The Family? There was another book I read a couple of years ago —spelled it all out. Israel finds oil —the whole sheeebang.
Insanity is what I call it
Same here. Another, though unspoken, reason that many on the hard-right (i.e., the Tea Partiers) don’t worry about a financial collapse is the widespread belief that “Well, Wall Street is run by the Jews, and they don’t vote for us, so fuck ‘em.” *
*= their view, not mine.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:04:14am |
re: #195 Justanotherhuman
How is it racist? I don’t quite understand your conclusion.
How many African-American hockey players are there?
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:08:30am |
And here’s the debate: can the NFL now say that it’s becoming the second most violent North American sport?At first, that notion seems ludicrous. Including the preseason there were 44 concussions in just the first six weeks of the NFL’s 2010 regular season, all with varying degrees of severity. The Week 6 hits by Harrison and Robinson were the pinnacle of the league’s mini-epidemic (can an epidemic be mini?), and that eventually led to definitive action. New rules were passed last month that provide maximum protection for defenseless receivers.
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simoom Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:11:56am |
AP’s chief congressional correspondent’s write-up on the GOP’s tactics is, refreshingly, extremely critical:
Analysis: Republicans get opposite of stated goals
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republicans insisted they wanted to shut down the nation’s 3-year-old health care overhaul, not the government. They got the opposite, and now struggle to convince the public that responsibility for partial closure of the federal establishment lies with President Barack Obama and the Democrats.
There’s ample evidence otherwise, beginning with Speaker John Boehner’s refusal to permit the House to vote on Senate-passed legislation devoted solely to reopening the government.
NYT covers worried Wall Streeters who have convinced themselves that the President can somehow save them from the GOP through executive action:
Wall St. Fears Go Beyond Shutdown
“If a default is imminent, the option of raising the debt limit by executive fiat has to be on the table,” said Greg Valliere, chief political strategist at Potomac Research. “Desperate times require desperate measures.”
Some professional investors echoed his view, which is a reason Wall Street remains hopeful that the economic and financial disaster a government default could usher in will be avoided.
“At the end of the day if there is no action and the United States has a default looming, I think President Obama can issue an executive order authorizing the Treasury secretary to make payments,” said David Kotok, chief investment officer of Cumberland Advisors in Sarasota, Fla., which has just over $2 billion under management. “There’s always been more flexibility in the hands of Treasury than they’ve acknowledged.”
Finally, Jennifer Rubin begs the President to save her team from themselves:
How the Democrats win, end the shutdown and save the country
Yes, it is galling having to bail out the people on the other side because of their stupidity, and, yes, life’s not fair. But the obligation — owed to the company and to the employees — is to get the mess resolved. There are innocent victims beyond the immediate parties, such as employees at suppliers’ companies, pension and health beneficiaries and the general public. So the company negotiator does it; he offers some small incentive, a face-saver to get the union back to the table and everyone back to work.
That is how it works in the labor context. I’ve seen it time and time again. The same is true here. To the Democrats, I say what any responsible negotiator would say: Yes, the Republicans were wrong to try to force defunding via one house of the legislative branch. Yes, you shouldn’t have to give them something. Sure, they made this mess. But having the White House (like occupying the chief executive position) means you get over it.
…
But, by giving them an inch, the Democrats also have will have refused to provide to the GOP an excuse that Democrats are equally intransigent. And Democrats will have done what it takes to pull the country back from the brink. In doing so, they might even convince some Republicans disgusted with the right-wing hotheads that Democrats aren’t all bad.
Wow, I’m sold. ///
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:12:10am |
re: #177 goddamnedfrank
This is my surprised face. Many faces are like it but this one is mine.
Austrian economics, the radioactive groundwater plume that slowly poisons everything.
And look at how TOR excuses itself from any legal liability:
“Doesn’t Tor enable criminals to do bad things?
“Criminals can already do bad things. Since they’re willing to break laws, they already have lots of options available that provide better privacy than Tor provides. They can steal cell phones, use them, and throw them in a ditch; they can crack into computers in Korea or Brazil and use them to launch abusive activities; they can use spyware, viruses, and other techniques to take control of literally millions of Windows machines around the world.
“Tor aims to provide protection for ordinary people who want to follow the law. Only criminals have privacy right now, and we need to fix that. “
Obviously, they overlook other types of criminal activities, such as drug dealing and child pornography, etc which are, or can be, facilitated more easily through what TOR provides—total anonymity on the web.
The last question about legal issues goes thusly:
“I have legal questions about Tor abuse.
“We’re only the developers. We can answer technical questions, but we’re not the ones to talk to about legal questions or concerns.
“Please take a look at the Tor Legal FAQ, and contact EFF directly if you have any further legal questions. “
“The Legal FAQ for Tor Relay Operators.
“Tor has been developed to be a tool for free expression, privacy, and human rights. It is not a tool designed or intended to be used to break the law, either by Tor users or Tor relay operators.”
“Tor’s developers are available to answer technical questions, but they are not lawyers and cannot give legal advice. Nor do they have any ability to prevent illegal activity that may occur through Tor relays. Furthermore, your communications with Tor’s developers are not protected by any legal privilege, so law enforcement or civil litigants could subpoena and obtain any information you give to them.”
Right-o. Just ask Glenn.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:12:16am |
Perhaps it’s not racist to focus on the violence in the NFL vs. the NHL. I mean, if it’s the US vs. Canada …
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:16:03am |
re: #200 FemNaziBitch
eieiei
I’m done with this line of inquiry. I quoted the wrong paragraph in the article.
I think I’m going to refrain from any seriousness until at least noon today.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:27:10am |
This wingnut is still butthurt that I explained the difference between actual slavery and obamacare.
.@Servius .@angel_graham This ordinary definition which I have provided? It's pretty easy to understand. pic.twitter.com/9yimc1lkpI— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) October 3, 2013
@viciousbabushka @angel_graham It's pretty easy to understand that if youre forced to work to provide benefit to someone else it is slavery.— Servius (@Servius) October 3, 2013
@viciousbabushka @angel_graham “involuntary subjection to another or others”— Servius (@Servius) October 3, 2013
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:28:38am |
Baba ask Servius if he means “involuntary subjection to another or others” to include rape?
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:29:55am |
I mean, there is always that Hobson’s Choice dilemna. Is it really free will when you don’t have a real choice?
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:31:23am |
HURR HURR IF SS & INCOME TAX IS WITHHELD FROM MY PAYCHECK ITZ SLAVERYYYY!!!11!!!!!
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:32:55am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:34:37am |
@viciousbabushka I presented a dictionary definition. Read it and apply it. And people are forced to work for no pay until June every year.— Servius (@Servius) October 3, 2013
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:34:38am |
This etymology was based on the similarity between Servius and servus, a slave, and although it is certainly an example of false etymology, the association of these words is probably the main reason that Servius was not more common
There’s this little Latin Teacher in the back of my head telling me to look things up because I can’t remember.
Now, if she’d just relocate to my fronal lobes …
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:35:11am |
re: #213 Vicious Babushka
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forced to work for no TAKE HOME pay. Yet we have roads to drive upon etc …
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:35:25am |
That’s funny, I get paid all year round.
Is this asshole referring to withholding as “slavery”?
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:35:58am |
Actually, I thought the definition of a slave was someone who could not defend one’s own body.
Which, we can do in this country. yes?
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:38:48am |
The 2nd Amendment types use this type of evidence as their proof:
Virginia, 1659
“Act XI. All persons except Negroes are to be provided with arms and ammunitions or be fined at the pleasure of the governor and council.”
Along with similar slave codes going back to Hamarabi.
Which I do find particularly convincing —as Marissa Alexander is getting a new trial … .
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:42:06am |
I don’t want to waste any more time with an idiot who thinks HURR HURR TAXES IS SLAVERY!!11!!!
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:43:08am |
re: #219 Vicious Babushka
I don’t want to waste any more time with an idiot who thinks HURR HURR TAXES IS SLAVERY!!11!!!
The whole Taxation without Representation only applies to D.C. Residents and perhaps the Territories.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:43:38am |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:45:50am |
re: #220 FemNaziBitch
The whole Taxation without Representation only applies to D.C. Residents and perhaps the Territories.
And legally-present non-citizens, if you want to call ACA penalties a ‘tax’.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:45:50am |
And, in my neck of the woods:
In April, the vacant lot’s owner, Safeway Corporation, put up “No Trespassing” signs, but no other efforts have deterred the Pro-Life Action League from continuing to protest at the site, he said.
Scheidler, who lives in Aurora, said the activists convinced 65 women to choose against abortion at the Aurora clinic in the last six years.
“It’s really sobering to think about. Some of those kids are five and six years old today,” Scheidler said. “We’re not giving up.”
Aurora’s non-profit Planned Parenthood facility opened in October 2007. The agency provides reproductive, maternal and child health services to women and men.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:47:04am |
(Aakkk Posted this at the bottom of the dead thread—too good to waste.)
Morning, all.
Here’s a long rip from a Gawker commenter that gets all classic-y about the DC hostage situation:
Cherith CutestoryLacey Donohue
11
Remember when you had to read The Illiad in school? And there is this huge amount of time where Achilles just sits in his tent allowing, even literally praying (to his mommy) for, his comrades to be slaughtered because his pride has been hurt? And then he goes on a killing rampage because his lover/friend/whatever you want is murdered because of it rather than reflecting and blaming himself. But at the end he has the absolutely beautiful moment of shared empathy, loss and compassion with the father of Hector? He and his enemy just taking a moment to eat, cry and mourn their shared loss and he realizes how foolish and destructive his pride has been. And he goes back to the fight but it is with honor and not foaming rage and not pouting in his tent.
This will never get to that last part. That was composed around 8th century BC in a society that didn’t even have writing yet. We are barbarians. Yesterday 11:34pm
Spy Mode
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:48:04am |
40 year old man acting like he is in college …
Sgt. Lou Cammiso said police that morning found “an intoxicated subject that wandered into the wrong building and was too intoxicated to notice.”
The subject, subsequently identified as Lonsdale, “was pounding on the door, and when an occupant of the house opened the door, he entered and passed out on the couch,” Cammiso said via e-mail. Lonsdale allegedly damaged the storm door in the process, Cammiso said.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:48:10am |
.@Servius definition of slavery http://t.co/cMBUqYdLny definition of taxes. http://t.co/5yalEcA7fM They are different.— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) October 3, 2013
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:49:16am |
re: #224 Decatur Deb
(Aakkk Posted this at the bottom of the dead thread—too good to waste.)
Morning, all.
Here’s a long rip from a Gawker commenter that gets all classic-y about the DC hostage situation:
Cherith CutestoryLacey Donohue
11Remember when you had to read The Illiad in school? And there is this huge amount of time where Achilles just sits in his tent allowing, even literally praying (to his mommy) for, his comrades to be slaughtered because his pride has been hurt? And then he goes on a killing rampage because his lover/friend/whatever you want is murdered because of it rather than reflecting and blaming himself. But at the end he has the absolutely beautiful moment of shared empathy, loss and compassion with the father of Hector? He and his enemy just taking a moment to eat, cry and mourn their shared loss and he realizes how foolish and destructive his pride has been. And he goes back to the fight but it is with honor and not foaming rage and not pouting in his tent.
This will never get to that last part. That was composed around 8th century BC in a society that didn’t even have writing yet. We are barbarians. Yesterday 11:34pm
Spy Mode
For a moment I though it was describing Walter White.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:50:16am |
re: #227 Vicious Babushka
I’m finished with this fuckball.
Wannbe anarchist—really. Tell him the Unibomber’s shack is vacant.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:51:59am |
re: #225 FemNaziBitch
40 year old man acting like he is in college …
Ah, reading the comments it seems it may not be true. There is a reason I don’t normally read the local paper …
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:52:47am |
re: #229 FemNaziBitch
Wannbe anarchist—really. Tell him the Unibomber’s shack is vacant.
@viciousbabushka You should read them. It would be educational. Especially: “Demanded by gt” and “Involuntary subjugation”— Servius (@Servius) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:53:37am |
The overseers just came for him with whips & chains.
@viciousbabushka Hey I have to go to work now. Have fun.— Servius (@Servius) October 3, 2013
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:57:46am |
re: #211 FemNaziBitch
boob shot or truly one about a career girl?
That was truly not representative of the vast majority of working women in that era, though, most of whom did not have college degrees and were glad to get out of the factories post-WWII, such as my mother. I still have a photo of her striking a pose in the coveralls which were required for her job at Union Carbide making batteries for the war effort. In 1948, she died at the age of 28, from renal failure and cervical cancer, leaving 3 young daughters. I’ve often wondered if her exposure to toxins (for instance, mercury was introduced in dry cell batteries during WWII, not to mention cadmium and arsenic, etc) contributed to her death. But exposure to lead can lead also to chronic kidney disease; and she was noticeably sick for at least a year before she died.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 4:59:51am |
re: #232 Vicious Babushka
The overseers just came for him with whips & chains.
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@Servius @viciousbabushka When you come back, try treating the lady with respect. Flinging insults just makes you look like an asshole.
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) October 3, 2013
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:00:08am |
re: #233 Justanotherhuman
That was truly not representative of the vast majority of working women in that era, though, most of whom did not have college degrees and were glad to get out of the factories post-WWII, such as my mother. I still have a photo of her striking a pose in the coveralls which were required for her job at Union Carbide making batteries for the war effort. In 1948, she died at the age of 28, from renal failure and cervical cancer, leaving 3 young daughters. I’ve often wondered if her exposure to toxins (for instance, mercury was introduced in dry cell batteries during WWII, not to mention cadmium and arsenic, etc) contributed to her death.
So sorry to hear of your mother. War affects everyone whether they wear a soldiers uniform or not.
Yeah, battery ingredients are toxic and there wasn’t OSHA to oversee worker conditions then.
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Flounder Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:02:46am |
re: #233 Justanotherhuman
I have an uncle who passed away from cancer. He was exposed to radioactivity, painting the glowing parts on a watch.
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Bulworth Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:03:52am |
Obama, Reid, stressing GOP “obsession” with the ACA.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:04:23am |
Dark, I blocked it. No further point in casting pearls before swine.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:05:46am |
re: #227 Vicious Babushka
I’m finished with this fuckball.
Twit uses the first name of Servius Snape and he thinks we’re going to take him serious?
I wonder what these freaks would do if Twitter required you to use your legal name?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:05:54am |
re: #233 Justanotherhuman
That was truly not representative of the vast majority of working women in that era, though, most of whom did not have college degrees and were glad to get out of the factories post-WWII, such as my mother. I still have a photo of her striking a pose in the coveralls which were required for her job at Union Carbide making batteries for the war effort. In 1948, she died at the age of 28, from renal failure and cervical cancer, leaving 3 young daughters. I’ve often wondered if her exposure to toxins (for instance, mercury was introduced in dry cell batteries during WWII, not to mention cadmium and arsenic, etc) contributed to her death.
The frenetic pace and sometimes lack of concern for safety of WWII Production killed people. Far fewer in the US than in other combatant nations, but it did happen here. Still, those dry cells were used in bazookas and were important for killing German panzers. Without a decent man-portable anti-tank weapon the Allies would still likely have won, but the cost in lives would have been far higher.
I hope I don’t come across as an uncaring ass.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:06:49am |
How does the shutdown affect the rest of the world?
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:07:41am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:07:54am |
re: #242 William Barnett-Lewis
Twit uses the first name of Servius Snape and he thinks we’re going to take him serious?
I wonder what these freaks would do if Twitter required you to use your legal name?
There is plenty of Derp on Facebook.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:09:17am |
re: #242 William Barnett-Lewis
Twit uses the first name of Servius Snape and he thinks we’re going to take him serious?
I wonder what these freaks would do if Twitter required you to use your legal name?
I’m just thinking of how Alan Rickman’s Snape would dress him down:
“Oh poor oppressed Special Snowflake, taxed to pay for a government that doesn’t attack you.”
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Bulworth Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:09:46am |
re: #201 simoom
I got it. Obama needs to offer the GOP a pony.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:10:08am |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:10:51am |
re: #240 Vicious Babushka
Dark, I blocked it. No further point in casting pearls before swine.
Wasn’t a pearl, ma’am, it was a rebuke to a man who doesn’t know how to speak to a lady.
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Bulworth Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:11:15am |
ICYMI: GOP discovers hero Cruz has no “end game” for this shutdown thing.
Over August recess, Cruz held rallies to call on his GOP colleagues to oppose any bill to keep the government running http://t.co/F0d49fCs4g
— Jeff Gauvin (@JeffersonObama) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:11:56am |
re: #250 Dark_Falcon
Wasn’t a pearl, ma’am, it was a rebuke to a man who doesn’t know how to speak to a lady.
Oh look, old fashioned sexism!
(I kid Dark, I kid)
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:12:43am |
re: #238 Flounder
I have an uncle who passed away from cancer. He was exposed to radioactivity, painting the glowing parts on a watch.
You might be interested in this: waterburyobserver.org
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:13:02am |
Poor little enslaved Servius didn’t read the part in his pocket Constitution that gives Congress the power to levy taxes.
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Bulworth Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:14:27am |
And now for what’s really important:
Big Brother Watch, the Open Rights Group & English PEN just filed legal challenge to GCHQ's mass surveillance program in EurCt of Human Rts
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) October 3, 2013
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:14:43am |
re: #254 Vicious Babushka
Poor little enslaved Servius didn’t read the part in his pocket Constitution that gives Congress the power to levy taxes.
Yeah, well people are still arguing over the 16th amendment.
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Bulworth Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:15:11am |
re: #254 Vicious Babushka
Not income taxes forced by Wilson unConstitutional!!!!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:16:58am |
re: #251 Bulworth
ICYMI: GOP discovers hero Cruz has no “end game” for this shutdown thing.
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Ted Cruz really should have taken the time to learn how the Senate works. On that point I think the Senate really lost something important when it lost Robert Byrd. Even Tea Party aligned freshman senators showed up for his last talk on the history and functioning of the Senate. Someone like Ted Cruz represents a “vertical invasion of the barbarians”, and unless civilized and socialized someone like that is going to do real harm.
/Ted Cruz as feral teenager.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:17:48am |
DERP
Obama is being mean, petty and juvenile. Shutting down Mt. Vernon, privately owned and operated for 150 years.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) October 3, 2013
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Bulworth Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:18:09am |
Well, let’s see how long I can handle the Twitters today. Bailed out around noon yesterday.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:18:15am |
I am finally tired enough to go back to bed. The problem is that if I get up from the chair, the dogs will think I am going to feed them breakfast. Then they’ll want to go outside.
If I decide to sleep at the desk, I’ll awake with a headache.
1st world problems …
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:18:34am |
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:19:14am |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
Ted Cruz really should have taken the time to learn how the Senate works. On that point I think the Senate really lost something important when it lost Robert Byrd. Even Tea Party aligned freshman senators showed up for his last talk on the history and functioning of the Senate. Someone like Ted Cruz represents a “vertical invasion of the barbarians”, and unless civilized and socialized someone like that is going to do real harm.
/Ted Cruz as feral teenager.
Obama was elected POTUS after a very short time in the Senate. Ted thinks he can do the same.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:20:50am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:21:31am |
re: #262 FemNaziBitch
WTF???
First they cheer the Shutdown.
HURR HURR BRING IT ON!!11 WE DON’T NEED THOZ 900,000 NON-ESSENTIAL WORTHLESS MOOCHER FEDERAL EMPLOYEES!!!11!! WE CAN GET ALONG WITHOUT ‘EM!!!111!!!!
Then they complain about trivial inconveniences for tourists.
HURR HURR WHERE’S MY MT. VERNON TOURS!!11!! WHY CAN’T I VISIT TEH MEMORIALS ON TEH MALL TAHT GRANDPA FOUGHT FOR AT NORMANDY!!11!!!!
I have yet to see even one wingnut complain about WIC.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:23:49am |
Meme GOP: 'The Tea-Hadist' #UniteBlue #p2 #ctl #LibCrib #topprog #TeaPartyShutdown #ByeByeGOP pic.twitter.com/vZRXW4w1HF— AvBerkel (@ohHenry7) October 3, 2013
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:24:58am |
re: #259 Vicious Babushka
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If it’s shut down, that was done by the Mt Vernon Ladies Society, which owns the property, and they’re keeping it open:
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:25:28am |
re: #255 Bulworth
And now for what’s really important:
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GCHQ = Government Communications HeadQuarters
Basically, it houses the UK Signals Intelligence functions. Such a place is an “obvious black hole of EVVIIILLLL!!!11” for all dudebros.
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Bulworth Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:25:44am |
re: #267 Justanotherhuman
Oh, you mean Bryan Fischer doesn’t know what he’s talking about? //
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:27:09am |
re: #267 Justanotherhuman
If it’s shut down, that was done by the Mt Vernon Ladies Society, which owns the property, and they’re keeping it open:
NPS maintains the access roads and parking facilities, and those are closed.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:27:26am |
re: #267 Justanotherhuman
If it’s shut down, that was done by the Mt Vernon Ladies Society, which owns the property, and they’re keeping it open:
I was thinking that, but Rev. Fisher said it was privately owned and Obama with his evil powers waved his dark wand and shut it down.
fisher needs to retire.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:27:42am |
re: #263 FemNaziBitch
Obama was elected POTUS after a very short time in the Senate. Ted thinks he can do the same.
Not gonna happen, not the way he’s going. A senator whom the Senate as whole hates is not going to end up looking good, as other senators will ensure he is slimed.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:27:59am |
re: #271 FemNaziBitch
I was thinking that, but Rev. Fisher said it was privately owned and Obama with his evil powers waved his dark wand and shut it down.
fisher needs to retire.
Fischer needs to FOAD.
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Flounder Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:28:18am |
re: #253 Justanotherhuman
Hey thanks! That was how it was described to me. Although I don’t think he did the actual painting, he was a manager or something. This goes back quite a ways.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:28:21am |
re: #272 Dark_Falcon
Not gonna happen, not the way he’s going. A senator whom the Senate as whole hates is not going to end up looking good, as other senators will ensure he is slimed.
Yeah, it seems Ted hasn’t gotten the memo.
He thinks he owns the world.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:28:59am |
re: #273 Vicious Babushka
Fischer needs to FOAD.
Well, that is taking it a bit far, but I do understand the sentiment… . .
:0
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:29:01am |
re: #273 Vicious Babushka
Fischer needs to FOAD.
You’re in rare form today, and I mean that in a neutral way.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:30:10am |
re: #274 Flounder
Hey thanks! That was how it was described to me. Although I don’t think he did the actual painting, he was a manager or something. This goes back quite a ways.
I read somewhere that workers who did the actual painting got throat cancer because they licked the paintbrushes to make a fine tip.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:30:11am |
Conservatives are angry because they have no idea what they want. http://t.co/rvKKU1oavj— Josh Barro (@jbarro) October 3, 2013
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:31:09am |
Dennis Hastert: “The Hastert Rule never really existed. It's a non-entity as far as I'm concerned.” http://t.co/SLYcMW77As— Taegan Goddard (@politicalwire) October 3, 2013
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:31:17am |
re: #275 FemNaziBitch
Yeah, it seems Ted hasn’t gotten the memo.
He thinks he owns the world.
It’s nice to think that… till reality bites you in the ass. And I know from personal experience how bad that bite hurts. But I learned from my mistakes; Hopefully Ted Cruz will learn from his.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:31:52am |
re: #277 Dark_Falcon
You’re in rare form today, and I mean that in a neutral way.
Please remove your sexist Tweet, it makes it look like I need A MAN to protect me on Teh Twitters.
It was a nice thought but srsly I can kick ass without A MAN unless he’s the one being kicked.
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Bulworth Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:32:05am |
Conservatives are angry because they have no idea what they want. http://t.co/rvKKU1oavj
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) October 3, 2013
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:33:20am |
The GOP has morphed into that guy who hits his wife and then says to everyone, “It's her fault for sassing!”— Amanda Marcotte (@AmandaMarcotte) October 3, 2013
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:33:37am |
re: #280 FemNaziBitch
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Who cares what he thinks!!1 He’s from Illinois, and everyone from that state is a closet Obamunist!!1 Especially that RINO Dark_Falcon!!!11
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:34:23am |
re: #270 Vicious Babushka
NPS maintains the access roads and parking facilities, and those are closed.
I suppose people could parachute in—but the site insists they’re open.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:34:40am |
Harry Reid Won't Negotiate, Won't Cure Childhood Cancer, Won't Quit Being Awesome http://t.co/icOSdbantH— Wonkette (@Wonkette) October 3, 2013
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:35:12am |
re: #282 Vicious Babushka
Please remove your sexist Tweet, it makes it look like I need A MAN to protect me on Teh Twitters.
It was a nice thought but srsly I can kick ass without A MAN unless he’s the one being kicked.
I’m glad you understand that my intent was not sexist. The tweet has been deleted.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:35:37am |
re: #288 Dark_Falcon
I’m glad you understand that my intent was not sexist. The tweet has been deleted.
TY (hugs)
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:36:13am |
They are studying the Whackos and finding the obvious.
“People who tend toward conspiratorial thinking are three times more likely to reject vaccinations,” says Lewandowsky.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:37:03am |
Surprised? Poll shows more Americans blame GOP, not Obama and Dems, for government shutdown. http://t.co/DOC99UcTWK— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) October 3, 2013
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:37:29am |
re: #278 Vicious Babushka
I read somewhere that workers who did the actual painting got throat cancer because they licked the paintbrushes to make a fine tip.
The US got out of that technology after WWII. The Warsaw Pact vehicles we ‘collected’ during the first Gulf War still used radium-illuminated dials.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:38:19am |
re: #290 FemNaziBitch
They are studying the Whackos and finding the obvious.
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So basically, stupid is as stupid does.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:39:04am |
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:41:02am |
I’m having some issues with reloading LGF. I get out and open a new tab and start from the beginning.
I’ve had to do it twice.
I really, really hope this isn’t going to be a repeat of yesterday.
Baba is already stirred-up.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:44:29am |
Tomorrow I think I will make a Mississippi Mud Pie.
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Flounder Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:45:38am |
re: #278 Vicious Babushka
It was 1921 when 17-year -old Frances Splettstocher landed a job at the Waterbury Clock Company on Cherry Street. It was a glamorous job, for she and her young colleagues worked with radium - the wonder substance of the new century. The girls used their keen eyes and nimble fingers to paint tiny numbers on glow-in-the-dark watches that were all the rage at the moment. World War I soldiers had worn the futuristic devices in the trenches, and now in peacetime everyone wanted one, so Splettstocher and dozens like her were hired to help produce millions of the watches during the early 1920s.
Many of the women pressed their brushes between their lips before dipping them in the radium-laced paint to give their small brushes a nice, fine point. The gritty-textured paint tasted no worse than Elmer’s glue, but it had a strange effect: It made their mouths glow in the dark. This didn’t bother the girls, who stole moments at work to paint their dress buttons and fingernails, and glowing rings on their fingers. “They loved their jobs,” said Claudia Clark, author of a book about the dial-painters called “Radium Girls”. “These were the best jobs working-class girls could get.”
Frances Splettstocher lived on Oak Street, less than a mile from the Waterbury Clock Company, with her mother, father, three sisters and three brothers. She had been painting dials for four years when, in 1925, she developed anemia, a low blood-iron condition that left her extremely weak. The left side of her face felt tender and painful to touch, and she had a severe sore throat. When her teeth and jaw began to ache, she saw a dentist. The dentist tried to relieve her pain by pulling a tooth, but part of her jaw came with it. The tissue in her mouth then began to rot until she had a hole in her cheek.
Frances, in excruciating pain, died a month after falling ill. She was 21 years old and “had a large circle of friends, to whom the news of her death brings deep sorrow,” read her obituary in the Waterbury Republican on February 22, 1925. Her funeral was held at the Church of St. Stanislus. She is buried in Calvary Cemetery.
Frances was the first dial painter to die in Waterbury , and her family, friends and physician were horrified and utterly mystified by her symptoms, but she was not alone in experiencing them. Just 100 miles away in Orange, New Jersey, four dial painters had died and eight were ill with equally strange symptoms, often involving severe tooth and jaw problems. When dentists removed their teeth, the socket did not heal, but became infected; eventually the bone and skin tissue around it would die, a condition known as necrosis.
Parts of the women’s jaws rotted away, and had to be surgically removed. Many of the girls also had anemia, and experienced arthritis-like joint pain. Some, like Elizabeth Dunn, suffered from spontaneous bone fractures of her arms and legs. In 1925, Elizabeth tripped on a dance floor and broke her leg without falling to the ground. She died from jaw necrosis in 1927, the second Connecticut dial-painter to die.Now we understand what happened when the women swallowed radium: since it’s chemically similar to calcium, radium masqueraded as calcium in the bones. But instead of strengthening bones as calcium does, radium slowly kills bone tissue. The women suffered from dental problems because in the jaw, it’s easy for dead bone to be contaminated with bacteria. By swallowing radium, the women were giving alpha particles easy access to their bodies’ soft interior.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:47:25am |
re: #296 FemNaziBitch
I’m having some issues with reloading LGF. I get out and open a new tab and start from the beginning.
I’ve had to do it twice.
I really, really hope this isn’t going to be a repeat of yesterday.
Baba is already stirred-up.
I blame Obamacare.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:48:09am |
The problem: Tea Partyers have defined giving up their fake 2011 leverage as “surrender” http://t.co/vHty9MCXZk cc @robertcostanro— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) October 3, 2013
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:48:37am |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:49:48am |
re: #294 Lidane
So basically, stupid is as stupid does.
No, its not really stupidity. It’s more “minds in flight from reality”. People don’t want to believe “a black man was legitimately elected president” or that “Huge Corporation X is only out to make money and simply didn’t notice you when they did that thing you didn’t like.” So they subscribe to fictions that feel better for them than reality.
Note: the first of the two denials I outlined is inherently worse than the second, though how dangerous conspiracism is varies from person to person.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:50:51am |
re: #299 Flounder
Workers in match factories who made phosphorus-tipped matches developed “phossy jaw” which had similar symptoms.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:53:27am |
re: #304 Dark_Falcon
Dark, how do you feel about Mark Kirk, who you voted for, lying shamelessly and treating his constituents like they’re gibbering morons? The poltroon actually claimed that Obama is afraid of people actually experiencing Obamacare. In the midst of a government shutdown the GOP is holding because they’re petrified of people actually experiencing Obamacare.
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:54:04am |
re: #301 Lidane
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“The Post’s Paul Kane has a great piece this morning detailing why House Speaker John Boehner is opting for this course. Boehner is so weak that he cannot afford to alienate House Tea Partyers twice — on the shutdown and again on the debt limit — so better to fight the good fight now and compromise in the debt limit fight, when the consequences of failure are far more dire. So Boehner is keeping Tea Partyers happy as long as possible. This anecdote captures it perfectly:
“We’re more united in the conference now than we’ve ever been,” said Rep. Blake Farenthold, a second-term lawmaker. Eighteen months ago, the speaker “couldn’t pick me out of a lineup,” Farenthold said. “He now blows me kisses.”
“That’s everything in a nutshell right there. Many House Republicans now demanding Boehner exercise maximum tactics to block Obamacare - such as Farenthold - were elected in the Tea Party wave of 2010. Their formative legislative experiences included the heady debt ceiling showdown of 2011, in which Obama — badly weakened by the 2010 election results, and fully convinced Republicans would allow default, because an economic meltdown would ensure his 2012 defeat — bowed to the leverage the default threat gave them, resulting in the terrible 2011 austerity deal that still haunts us today.”
Hey Republicans! Pres Obama was re-elected in 2012. Get over yourselves and the slight “victory” you won in 2010.
Stop living in the past and stop trying to make us do the same.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:54:24am |
re: #301 Lidane
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— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) October 3, 2013
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:56:19am |
I’m going to have to feed the dogs. Not getting out of it this morning.
Have a great one all!
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:57:10am |
critical point from @ByronYork: Forget Ds - 1st grand bargain Rs have to reach is among themselves. http://t.co/emRtnEZ8NC via @DCExaminer— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) October 3, 2013
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:58:27am |
re: #309 Dark_Falcon
The sequester is fake leverage in 2013 because the Dems already agreed to keep it going and it’s STILL not enough for the GOP.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:59:32am |
The Ten GOP Extortionists Who Shut Down the Government http://t.co/Xh5pUswlur— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 3, 2013
All the usual suspects are in there.
Steve King.
Michelle Bachmann
Steve Stockman
Louie Gohmert
Paul Broun
and a few lessers:
John Fleming
Mark Meadows
Tom Massie
Phil Gingrey
Mike Rogers
Left off the list, Ted Cruz, who’s over in the Senate and who had no exit strategy when his extortionist play failed. The poison pill provisions have failed to extract the concessions the GOP wants - defunding, delaying, and destroying Obamacare. The Democrats are united against this nonsense, and the GOP has no exit strategy courtesy of this cabal of extremists.
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:01:54am |
re: #314 lawhawk
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All the usual suspects are in there.Steve King.
Michelle Bachmann
Steve Stockman
Louie Gohmert
Paul Brounand a few lessers:
John Fleming
Mark Meadows
Tom Massie
Phil Gingrey
Mike RogersLeft off the list, Ted Cruz, who’s over in the Senate and who had no exit strategy when his extortionist play failed. The poison pill provisions have failed to extract the concessions the GOP wants - defunding, delaying, and destroying Obamacare. The Democrats are united against this nonsense, and the GOP has no exit strategy courtesy of this cabal of extremists.
Wow, all white men. Well, I’m sure Marcus made sure Michele is wearing her strap-on.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:02:25am |
re: #307 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
poltroon
OT, but this is probably the only one of two places on the web that I hang out where that word could be used and be expected to be understood without having to define it. The other is a military history/gaming web site. Vocabulary is fun!
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:03:39am |
Gee, ya think?
defunders promised a shutdown would make Obama blink. Now ending sections of shutdown will. It's almost like there's no coherent plan— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) October 3, 2013
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:06:08am |
re: #316 William Barnett-Lewis
OT, but this is probably the only one of two places on the web that I hang out where that word could be used and be expected to be understood without having to define it. The other is a military history/gaming web site. Vocabulary is fun!
For fun etymology, check out ‘pantaloon’.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:06:16am |
re: #316 William Barnett-Lewis
OT, but this is probably the only one of two places on the web that I hang out where that word could be used and be expected to be understood without having to define it. The other is a military history/gaming web site. Vocabulary is fun!
And that fact is part of why I’m still here. It’s real hard to find people who actually have a sense of history and who for the most part will engage your ideas instead of talking at you. Such people are found at Little Green Footballs.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:06:53am |
re: #317 Lidane
.@JRubinBlogger assuming facts not in evidence that there was a plan other than blind hatred of Obama & need to defund/delay/destroy #ACA— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 3, 2013
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Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:08:45am |
re: #314 lawhawk
Tom Massie, top row, second from the left (my congresscritter).
That’s whose supporters (Libertarians and TP people, all of them) I was doing battle with on FB last night.
The highlight for me was being accused of being “holier than thou” because I was obviously well-trained by “spewing ACA talking points”.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:09:34am |
What kind of a moron thinks that “closing privately funded parks” inflicts MOAR PAIN than closing the WIC program?
Closes privately funded parks to inflict as much pain on America as he can #ObamaTantrum #uniteblue #stoprush— Roy Rogers (@Roy__Rogers) October 3, 2013
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:10:14am |
Even Hastert himself doesn’t think Boehner needs to follow the arbitrary ‘Hastert Rule’ http://t.co/SxcxZMFOoT— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) October 3, 2013
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Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:11:19am |
In West Virginia:
MANCHIN: “I am Embarrassed and Ashamed of Congress.”
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:11:49am |
re: #310 Dark_Falcon
Source, please.
Wow, can’t even be bothered to pay attention to the politicians you elect.
“It’s the president’s [fault]” the memorial is closed, Kirk said. “He’s having a long temper tantrum. He thinks he can instruct the country that we should all spend money and raise taxes just like he thinks and I think he’s absolutely incorrect. He’s shaking in his boots that people actually experience Obamacare and they will never vote Democrat again.”
Just a cynical, flat-out lie. A series of lies, actually. What a shitheel.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:12:50am |
re: #322 Vicious Babushka
What kind of a moron thinks that “closing privately funded parks” inflicts MOAR PAIN than closing the WIC program?
Conservative downplays denying women and infants food in shutdown http://t.co/U0XuA8iFI9— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) October 2, 2013
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Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:14:51am |
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:16:48am |
re: #323 Lidane
When Hastert came out and said that his “rule” isn’t so much a rule as a “guideline” he was signaling that the GOP is toast. He’s offering a lifeline to Boehner if he could even recognize it.
Thing is, the moment Boehner offers up a clean CR without the Hastert rule in effect, the shutdown ends. Ditto with the debt ceiling. Things get done.
But the GOP extortionists like Bachmann, Cruz, Stockman, etc will never accept this, so they’re going to torch the economy until they inflict so much pain on their own constituents that they’ll begin to howl (and I have my doubts on their constituents given that these are the folks that elected them in the first place). They had no problem electing batcrap crazies in the first place; people who think Obama is illegitimate, birthers, and peddle crazy conspiracy theories that all point at the Administration being illegitimate despite winning two elections decisively. When polling indicates 25% support the shutdown, this is the core constituency of the GOP Extortionists. They have nothing to fear from continuing this madness.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:17:31am |
re: #323 Lidane
When former Speaker Hastert kneecaps his own rule and Boehner, you know GOP in real trouble— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 3, 2013
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:18:29am |
re: #322 Vicious Babushka
.@Roy__Rogers shutting down WIC harms far more; as does DoD, NASA, NOAA etc furloughing your fellow Americans w/o paychecks.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 3, 2013
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:18:57am |
Saw a blog post yesterday that was a semi-rant about how it was the Dems led by Harry Reid that wouldn’t compromise on the CR and budget. Read through it and realized that the person had cherry-picked the starting point from which the opposing positions formed and would supposedly need to compromise from. And said position just so happened to be post-sequestor and post- every previous compromise offered by the Dems and Obama that the Republicans later reneged on.
There, in a nutshell, is the defensive bunker that the wingnuts will retreat into.
Also saw a Slate article that is describing the US as it would be described in the US media if the same events were happening to a foreign country.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:25:50am |
re: #325 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Have a care, Obdi. I was out and about much of yesterday and much of my time at home was spent looking for work, talking to recruiters, and taking care of my damaged (but finally healing) leg.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:29:19am |
re: #330 lawhawk
We’ve got a live one, now blaming Obama for $17t in debt. Except that’s the cumulative debt since the start of the nation (link opens excel spreadsheet). We’d have to ignore that part of the debt includes Reagan’s tripling of the deficit from $994b to $2.867t. Or Bush’s near doubling from $5.7t to $11.875t. Obama is president when the deficit went from $11.875t to $17t. A significant portion due to the fiscal collapse/great recession. But these folks think that he owns the whole thing.
Or that the spending didn’t go to things like the military or national parks or NOAA weather satellites, or roads and bridges, etc.
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:29:54am |
It’s a soshalist plot!
France approves ‘anti-Amazon’ bill
France has approved a bill to support independent bookstores against competition from online retailers.
“The BBC’s Paris correspondent Christian Fraser said the bill “might be seen as payback” for Amazon’s practices of reporting European sales through a Luxembourg holding company, to take advantage of comparatively low corporate tax rates.
“French Culture Minister Aurelie Filippetti has criticised Amazon’s practices in the past, particularly free deliveries or its policy of “tax optimisation.”
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:33:43am |
re: #333 Dark_Falcon
Have a care, Obdi. I was out and about much of yesterday and much of my time at home was spent looking for work, talking to recruiters, and taking care of my damaged (but finally healing) leg.
Okay. Now you’ve seen what the jackass said, a complete passel of idiotic lies, in service to his crusade to put party before country.
So whaddya think?
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Mattand Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:34:14am |
I beginning to think that the endgame at this point is to try to impeach Obama.
In a few weeks, the GOP is going to pull this same childish horseshit with the debt celling. In order to avoid a literal worldwide economic catastrophe, Obama will invoke the 14th Amendment’s Section 4.
This says the US debt is authorized by law and shall not be questioned. In theory, this gives a POTUS the option to unilateraly raise the debt ceiling, as a failure to do so would jeopardize our ability to pay debt.
Currently the White House itself is rejecting the 14th Amendment option, possibly for this reason. If I thought of this scenario, chances are they thought of it months ago.
And given that most voters are still clinging to the moronic “Why won’t Obama negotiate by gutting his signature achievement” stupidity, the odds are this hostage situation will go on until then.
The GOP has been trying to destroy Obama from Day One. They lost two elections and got their asses handed to them by the Supreme Court over the ACA.
Hopefully, I’m wrong, but they want this law and this president gone. The GOP at this point has forgone governing and replaced it with vengeance.
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darthstar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:36:26am |
@Dark_Falcon7 You're right. Sequestration will definitely stop a third Obama term. #leverage @ThePlumLineGS @robertcostaNRO— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 3, 2013
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:36:27am |
re: #318 Decatur Deb
For fun etymology, check out ‘pantaloon’.
Well, that comment lead to an entertaining google diversion … ;) Thanks!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:40:05am |
re: #336 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Okay. Now you’ve seen what the jackass said, a complete passel of idiotic lies, in service to his crusade to put party before country.
So whaddya think?
I don’t think that when Mark Kirk said ” He thinks he can instruct the country that we should all spend money and raise taxes just like he thinks and I think he’s absolutely incorrect.” that he was lying. I think Obama really does think that way. So mark me as agreeing with Sen. Kirk.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:40:30am |
re: #335 Justanotherhuman
It’s a soshalist plot!
France approves ‘anti-Amazon’ bill
France has approved a bill to support independent bookstores against competition from online retailers.
“The BBC’s Paris correspondent Christian Fraser said the bill “might be seen as payback” for Amazon’s practices of reporting European sales through a Luxembourg holding company, to take advantage of comparatively low corporate tax rates.
“French Culture Minister Aurelie Filippetti has criticised Amazon’s practices in the past, particularly free deliveries or its policy of “tax optimisation.”
The Academy is also against ‘le cheeseburger’.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:42:34am |
re: #337 Mattand
The GOP at this point has forgone governing and replaced it with vengeance.
Pretty much.
They got drunk off their own Kool-Aid in 2010-2011and thought they’d turn Obama into a one term President. All of a sudden, the ACA gets validated by the Supreme Court and Obama gets a second term. The few remaining brain cells the GOP had just gave up and died at that point. Now we’re here.
They want to govern by extortion. If Obama blinks at all and gives into their demands now, the rest of his term will be impossible. They’ll just keep threatening to default and keep trying to defund/delay/destroy Obamacare unless he puts his foot down and makes it clear that they don’t get to run the country by crisis.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:42:41am |
re: #339 darthstar
@darthstar99 @ThePlumLineGS @robertcostaNRO Getting an early start on taking statements out of context, I see.
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) October 3, 2013
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:44:11am |
re: #341 Dark_Falcon
I don’t think that when Mark Kirk said ” He thinks he can instruct the country that we should all spend money and raise taxes just like he thinks and I think he’s absolutely incorrect.” that he was lying. I think Obama really does think that way.
Prove it. Prove where he really does think that way.
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:45:08am |
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:45:19am |
On the cooking front:
- Stuffed pumpkin last night turned out rather well. Need to add a little bit of salt to the recipe when I skip putting bacon in the shell.
- Did slow cooker oatmeal for this morning. Added some flax seed for crunch and a bit of a different flavor. That too needs just a pinch of salt as a flavor enhancer.
Brought some of both into work to feed co-workers.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:46:21am |
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:46:27am |
GOP congressman to CNN anchor just now: you're beautiful, but you don't know what you're talking about.— igorvolsky (@igorvolsky) October 3, 2013
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darthstar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:47:04am |
re: #344 Dark_Falcon
Sequestration isn’t a tool that can be used against Obama. The GOP already got that. They can’t use it as leverage again. I was merely mocking your position that the GOP still has the upper hand here. Granted, I know you wish they did, but they’re can’t even control their own party internally.
The GOP is in disarray. Period. Leverage.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:47:09am |
re: #345 Lidane
Prove it. Prove where he really does think that way.
I cannot. No one can prove what someone else is thinking. All that can be done is to guess based on behavioral clues.
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Interesting Times Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:48:05am |
re: #351 Dark_Falcon
I cannot. No one can prove what someone else is thinking. All that can be done is to guess based on behavioral clues.
Okay then, what “behavioral clues” provide evidence for your statement?
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:48:25am |
re: #351 Dark_Falcon
I cannot. No one can prove what someone else is thinking. All that can be done is to guess based on behavioral clues.
Bullshit. He’s the President of the United States. He’s interviewed and quoted all the time. Provide quotes and sources that show that he thinks we should spend all the money and raise all the taxes.
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:48:39am |
The Lord has told him The Gohmert should mount a primary challenge against Sen. John Cornyn.
i haven’t read through all the comments. But I think right now the lord has other things to do than help GOHMERT. The Pirates are in the playoff FFS.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:48:50am |
re: #350 darthstar
All I was saying was that the sequester wasn’t ‘fake leverage’. I wasn’t trying to add a bunch of subtext.
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GOPHostage#25698724 Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:49:41am |
re: #335 Justanotherhuman
ils n’ont aucune crédibilité
(They have no credibility.)
Here is why.
en.wikipedia.org
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:50:31am |
re: #355 Dark_Falcon
All I was saying was that the sequester wasn’t ‘fake leverage’. I wasn’t trying to add a bunch of subtext.
Actually the sequester IS fake leverage. The Democrats agreed to keep spending at the sequester levels months ago, but the GOP extortionists shut down the government anyway.
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Belafon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:51:33am |
re: #335 Justanotherhuman
I suspect the WTO will be getting a letter from the US at some point.
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darthstar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:51:39am |
re: #351 Dark_Falcon
I cannot. No one can prove what someone else is thinking. All that can be done is to guess based on behavioral clues.
Cite these “behavioral clues” of which you speak and please note that your use of anthropological terms in talking about the president is a behavioral clue itself.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:52:16am |
Here’s the stupid meme that “Servius” was all butthurt about:
“Obamacare is the law” #UniteBlue ? pic.twitter.com/lWZgtLNf0T— ? Diana O'Hara (@Diana236) October 2, 2013
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:52:42am |
re: #310 Dark_Falcon
Source, please.
Illinois Republican Sen. Mark Kirk, who plans to escort the Chicago veterans to the World War II memorial Wednesday, was also contacted by organizers of the event and asked to come. He signed on to the political messaging in a brief interview outside the World War II Tuesday.
“It’s the president’s [fault]” the memorial is closed, Kirk said. “He’s having a long temper tantrum. He thinks he can instruct the country that we should all spend money and raise taxes just like he thinks and I think he’s absolutely incorrect. He’s shaking in his boots that people actually experience Obamacare and they will never vote Democrat again.”
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:52:53am |
re: #341 Dark_Falcon
I don’t think that when Mark Kirk said ” He thinks he can instruct the country that we should all spend money and raise taxes just like he thinks and I think he’s absolutely incorrect.” that he was lying. I think Obama really does think that way. So mark me as agreeing with Sen. Kirk.
No, you don’t, Dark. You don’t think Obama, constitutional scholar, thinks that he can instruct the country that we should all spend money and raise taxes just like he thinks. You know that Obama understands that bills have to pass the senate and house of representatives, and be upheld by the Supreme court.
So try it again, Dark. Given that only someone who thinks Obama literally doesn’t understand how government works would really think that was true, and you don’t think that Obama doesn’t understand how the government works, what do you think of Kirk’s lie there?
You also rather shamelessly dodged addressing the lie that Obama is quaking in his boots at the idea of Americans experiencing Obamacare, when the GOP is (failing at) obstructing Obamacare.
So again, what do you think of Kirk’s lie there?
You really, really seem to be in the very dangerous territory of actually preferring your party to your country.
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darthstar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:53:18am |
Leverage
Rep. Marlin Stutzman: “We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is. But it better be good, Obama!!!!”— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) October 3, 2013
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:53:51am |
re: #359 darthstar
Cite these “behavioral clues” of which you speak and please note that your use of anthropological terms in talking about the president is a behavioral clue itself.
But of course it is. A person’s words and actions are the basic clues, though I am curious to know what you think my own word choice says about me.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:55:28am |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
But of course it is. A person’s words and actions are the basic clues, though I am curious to know what you think my own word choice says about me.
If Obama actually thinks that he can instruct the country that we should all spend money and raise taxes just like he thinks, wouldn’t he be rather slow on the uptake in not noticing that this isn’t happening? He’s been president for six years, and you’re trying to say that you believe that Obama thinks he can instruct the country that we should spend money and raise taxes as he thinks. How has he not noticed that this doesn’t actually happen, Dark?
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:55:29am |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
But of course it is. A person’s words and actions are the basic clues, though I am curious to know what you think my own word choice says about me.
So which of Obama’s words and actions lead you to think he fundamentally believes we should just spend money and raise taxes? Prove he feels that way. There are years of interviews and quotes out there by him. Surely something he’s said and done by now would suggest he feels that way.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:55:57am |
.@ejdionne nails it on why Ds can't give in to GOP extortion this time: http://t.co/06oUW6SDBi— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) October 3, 2013
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Bulworth Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:56:38am |
The dumbest idea in a week full of bad ideas: a “Grand Bargain” as the way out of a shutdown. http://t.co/4rL0ZFBuxn
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) October 3, 2013
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Belafon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:57:01am |
re: #337 Mattand
And when the senate fails to convict because 1) it’s controlled by the Democrats, and 2) the president will argue that he had to make a choice to save the country from people who would destroy our government, the wingers will be left screaming.
And we’ll need to make sure every Democrat gets out and votes in 2014.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:57:35am |
re: #366 Lidane
So which of Obama’s words and actions lead you to think he fundamentally believes we should just spend money and raise taxes? Prove he feels that way. There are years of interviews and quotes out there by him. Surely something he’s said and done by now would suggest he feels that way.
That’s not even the damn point.
Either Kirk is saying that Obama thinks he can ‘instruct’ the country to raise taxes and pay money and the country will just go along with that— which is an obvious lie because obviously Obama knows this is not the case.
Or Kirk is saying that Obama thinks that he can instruct the country to do it, but it’s just ‘instruction’, the country can say no. In which case, Kirk doesn’t think it’s absolutely incorrect that Obama can do that. Of course Obama can ‘instruct’ all he wants.
So either way, Kirk is lying. There is no interpretation of that speech that is not a lie. It doesn’t have anything to do with Obama’s feelings on taxation or spending.
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:57:46am |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
But of course it is. A person’s words and actions are the basic clues, though I am curious to know what you think my own word choice says about me.
Defending the indefensible.
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Bulworth Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:57:54am |
re: #368 Bulworth
Politico has a headline positing that a grand bargain might be the “only way” out of a shutdown.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
The House has shut down the government as part of an anti-Obamacare strategy that even most Republicans think is idiotic. Congress can’t pass a bill to keep the government open for six weeks or 10 weeks at the same spending levels that Republicans and Democrats agreed to in 2011. The way we’re supposed to fix this problem is by adding major, long-term fiscal reforms to the discussions?
I guess the theory is that Republicans want entitlement reform, and it would make them more amenable to not doing the various things they can do to tank the economy — such as causing the U.S. government to hit the debt ceiling.
But Republicans do not demonstrate enthusiasm for entitlement reform even on its own terms. Remember, this is a party that spent the last two election cycles hammering Democrats for cutting Medicare too much. When President Obama proposed using the chained consumer price index to set Social Security payments, a move that would modestly cut benefits, Rep. Greg Walden (R-Ore.), chairman of the National Republican Campaign Committee, attacked him for “trying to balance this budget on the backs of seniors.”
A grand bargain would have to entail entitlement reform about which Republicans are lukewarm, plus offsetting Democratic demands, plus raising the debt ceiling and reopening the government. Yet the Republicans floating the idea of a “grand bargain” don’t seem prepared for the “bargain” part. On what planet is this route easier than a deal that is limited to resolving the government shutdown?
I have very low expectations for this Congress. I want them to keep the government open. I want them to avoid a default on our debt or other required payments. I’d like to see them unwind sequestration but I have no illusions that they will do so and I know that our ongoing, tepid recovery can withstand it.
Tax and entitlement reform can wait for another day, several years from now, when we have a different president and a different Congress. For now, let’s just try to focus on not breaking things.
Read more: businessinsider.com
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:58:05am |
re: #341 Dark_Falcon
Obama made the Bush tax cuts permanent in exchange for raising the top tax rate on the 1%. Hardly a tax and spender in that.
Then, the Democrats have accepted the new baseline provided by the sequester, which were across the board cuts to all programs no matter how idiotic the cuts were and despite the fact that economists have repeatedly indicated that this would cut the GNP and economic growth.
But Obama’s the one who’s demanding more taxes? What more taxes? If anything, if you’re talking about trying to balance the budget, you can’t do it by cuts alone. Any of the budget calculators that are out there show how much of a folly it is to go all cuts, or all taxes. You simply can’t do one or the other - it has to involve both - targeted tax increases and spending cuts to get the budget balanced for a tax year (and it would take a surplus over years to begin to put a dent on the national debt).
And here’s the thing. The ACA would improve public health, which means a more productive workforce that is no longer tied to dead-end jobs, and allows more worker mobility. These are good for businesses. Having a healthy workforce is in a company’s best interests. Forcing people to work while sick isn’t. Forcing people to delay seeking medical attention until they’re forced to go to an ER is a misallocation of resources and a far higher cost than allowing a person to have a policy that lets them visit doctors, schedule preventative care, and reduces burdens on hospitals.
But the GOP opposes all that, and more - including the preexisting conditions exclusions, lifetime caps, etc. They’d rather consign a bunch of people - millions of them, to substandard health care because they want to deny the President a legislative victory in passing a health care policy they themselves previously championed as an alternative to HillaryCare.
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darthstar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:58:21am |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
But of course it is. A person’s words and actions are the basic clues, though I am curious to know what you think my own word choice says about me.
Answer the question. What are the behavioral clues you see president Obama exhibit that lead you to believe he wants to spend more money and tax everyone?
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Oct 3, 2013 6:59:42am |
The “Grand Bargain” crap is the GOP faithful telling each other that Obama is going to crack and give in and that they just have to hold out with the shutdown a little longer.
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Stoatly Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:00:19am |
re: #337 Mattand
Hopefully, I’m wrong, but they want this law and this president gone. The GOP at this point has forgone governing and replaced it with vengeance.
It’s not even that sophisticated:
“This is not just about Obamacare anymore,” centrist Rep. Michael Grimm, R-N.Y., said.
“We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”
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Mattand Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:00:42am |
re: #369 Belafon
And when the senate fails to convict because 1) it’s controlled by the Democrats, and 2) the president will argue that he had to make a choice to save the country from people who would destroy our government, the wingers will be left screaming.
And we’ll need to make sure every Democrat gets out and votes in 2014.
LOL, thanks for that. Just proves what a lousy Republican strategist I am.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:01:27am |
re: #365 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Obama can easily think he should be able to do something (as evidenced by all his talk of what Congress ‘must’ do) while knowing its not happening in reality.
That saying that the House “must pass a ‘clean CR’”, is what really did it for me. It not the place of the president to tell the Congress what it must do, and a house of Congress is well within its rights if it refuses to fund a program it does not like.
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Mattand Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:03:36am |
re: #376 Stoatly
It’s not even that sophisticated:
“We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”
I LOL’d at first, but then I realized that a majority of voters in Stutzman’s district thought he was the best guy to represent them in Congress.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:03:49am |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
Obama can easily think he should be able to do something (as evidenced by all his talk of what Congress ‘must’ do) while knowing its not happening in reality.
That saying that the House “must pass a ‘clean CR’”, is what really did it for me. It not the place of the president to tell the Congress what it must do, and a house of Congress is well within its rights if it refuses to fund a program it does not like.
Right because no sitting president has ever urged Congress to take action on a pressing issue, ever.
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darthstar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:04:50am |
re: #367 Lidane
Great read. Dionne doesn’t pull any punches and it’s good to see Obama isn’t either.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:05:21am |
Hmm, odd page behaviors. Possibly cache related, but hard to tell.
Most of the buttons not working (quote, image library, etc.) and posting throws me back up to the top of the page. And some options are taking me back out to the front page. And “New Comments” are not working, so I have to refresh to see new comments.
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:05:25am |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
Obama can easily think he should be able to do something (as evidenced by all his talk of what Congress ‘must’ do) while knowing its not happening in reality.
That saying that the House “must pass a ‘clean CR’”, is what really did it for me. It not the place of the president to tell the Congress what it must do, and a house of Congress is well within its rights if it refuses to fund a program it does not like.
Haha oh wow. What a dictator!
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:05:34am |
re: #377 Mattand
LOL, thanks for that. Just proves what a lousy Republican strategist I am.
I can think of nothing that would likely mobilize Democratic Party voters more than a GOP attempt to impeach President Obama.
The GOP would be signing its own death warrant.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:06:18am |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
Obama can easily think he should be able to do something (as evidenced by all his talk of what Congress ‘must’ do) while knowing its not happening in reality.
Kirk didn’t shay ‘should’, Dark. Yes, if you rewrite his speech enough, you can find a way he didn’t semantically lie. But you have to actually change his words to do that, as you have just done here by changing what Kirk said ‘can’, to ‘should’. Do you even notice that you’re doing this? It’s completely dishonest on your part.
And even if you did manage to twist that one sentence and find a way it’s pathetically, semantically true, Kirk is still lying.
That saying that the House “must pass a ‘clean CR’”, is what really did it for me. It not the place of the president to tell the Congress what it must do, and a house of Congress is well within its rights if it refuses to fund a program it does not like.
“Well within it’s rights”? What do the ‘rights’ have to do with anything? The GOP isn’t a bunch of criminals on trial where we have to respect their rights, they are elected officials who are supposed to look after the good of the country.
But they aren’t. They are harming the country, actively working to damage our democratic institutions, our scientific standing, our international standing, and our economy, in order to perhaps, perhaps be able to cling on to some power and influence for awhile longer.
And you are helping them. Congress must past a clean CR. Then they can appoint confeerees to the budget which they have fucking refused to do for months.
The GOP is putting party before country. It is not deniable any longer.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:06:36am |
re: #376 Stoatly
Wah we’re being disrespected. Rich coming from people who got elected by calling the President all sorts of things.
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darthstar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:07:09am |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
Obama can easily think he should be able to do something (as evidenced by all his talk of what Congress ‘must’ do) while knowing its not happening in reality.
That saying that the House “must pass a ‘clean CR’”, is what really did it for me. It not the place of the president to tell the Congress what it must do, and a house of Congress is well within its rights if it refuses to fund a program it does not like.
down right uppity
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:07:18am |
Can I burn down your house? No Just the 2nd floor? No Garage? No Let's talk about what I can burn down. No YOU AREN'T COMPROMISING!— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) October 2, 2013
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:07:38am |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
Congress has to do something. By the words of the Constitution. They are supposed to produce a budget. They’ve failed because the GOP repeatedly puts in ACA poison pill provisions that they know the Democrats will never accept. But they’ve been at it for years now. 40+ attempts.
They’ve even tried multiple continuing resolutions with the same poison pill provisions knowing the Democrats will strip those from the CR and force the House to kill them - all while the GOP extortionists claim that it is the Democrats who are obstructionists.
A clean CR is exactly what will get this resolved. Period. End Stop. The GOP refuses to recognize this out because it would mean that their “strategy”, which is really extortion has failed. And they can’t allow that. Boehner would face an insurrection if he allowed a vote without the Hastert rule in effect because a CR would pass and be enacted into law easily. The extremists I posted above are the reason we don’t have a CR in place. They’re the ones pushing this crisis. Even their fellow GOPers in the House know this and are beginning to call them on it, but without Boehner relenting on the Hastert rule, we’re stuck in this feedback loop of crazy.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:07:57am |
Congresspeople have the ‘right’ to introduce bills mandating that we murder all puppies in existence. Who gives a shit that they have that right? What the fuck relevance is that to whether it is, y’know, a good fucking thing to do?
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:08:20am |
Tyranny RT @cjoh Got a note from Aetna saying our premiums were dropping by $300/mo b/c of the ACA. Thanks ObamaCare! http://t.co/qXmSDSiJ2r— Matt Yglesias (@mattyglesias) October 3, 2013
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Mattand Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:08:52am |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
Obama can easily think he should be able to do something (as evidenced by all his talk of what Congress ‘must’ do) while knowing its not happening in reality.
That saying that the House “must pass a ‘clean CR’”, is what really did it for me. It not the place of the president to tell the Congress what it must do, and a house of Congress is well within its rights if it refuses to fund a program it does not like.
Fund a program it doesn’t like?
Jesus Fucking Christ, the GOP is trying to gut a law that they failed to stop three times by destroying our, and possibly the world’s, economy.
How can you be okay with this? How does one wake up every day since Monday and say, “Yeah, ‘when all else fails, commit treason and threaten the US until I get my way’”?
That’s frightening. Do you really think Obama is going to delay or pull the plug on the ACA, particularly since he’s being threatened?
WTF, dude.
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:13:02am |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
That saying that the House “must pass a ‘clean CR’”, is what really did it for me. It not the place of the president to tell the Congress what it must do, and a house of Congress is well within its rights if it refuses to fund a program it does not like.
Okay.
Congress must pass war funding, Bush says
Bush Says Congress Must Pass Clear Law on Detainees
Bush: Congress must pass economic stimulus package
Bush says Congress must pass financial rescue bill
Clinton: Congress must pass tobacco bill
Clinton insists trade bill must pass
etc…
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:13:59am |
Republicans want to restore funding to NIH so it can develop life-saving medications that they'll fight to make unavailable to 30m Americans— Michael Cohen (@speechboy71) October 3, 2013
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:16:04am |
Evenhandedness and compromise are an ideal approach, but I’m pretty well convinced that can’t happen until we squash the TPGOP flat in a 2014/2016 election. Then we can compromise with the survivors. Once again, it’s GOTV.
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darthstar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:16:06am |
Gee, I know it’s not my place to ask since I’m only commander in chief and not commander of the congress, but I think it would be really swell if they passed a clean CR.
Is that better?
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:17:11am |
re: #278 Vicious Babushka
I read somewhere that workers who did the actual painting got throat cancer because they licked the paintbrushes to make a fine tip.
The factory where the women who painted the dials with radium isn’t too far from where I live. The Radium Girls.
Equipment produced by them and similar companies ended up in a factory that I pass on a daily basis. The former Curtiss Wright factory in Wood-Ridge NJ. It’s claim to fame? It was one of the largest aircraft factories in the world, and was responsible for building the engines on countless aircraft, including the Enola Gay. It’s now being redeveloped for housing and offices as a transit village. But you can still see test stands and other facilities for testing engine parts.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:18:28am |
re: #395 Decatur Deb
Evenhandedness and compromise are an ideal approach, but I’m pretty well convinced that can’t happen until we squash the TPGOP flat in a 2014/2016 election. Then we can compromise with the survivors. Once again, it’s GOTV.
There’s no compromise with people who would willingly trash the world economy in order to get rid of a law they don’t like.
Obama and the Dems have to stand firm and not blink here. They can’t give in to the teahadist faction in the GOP. If they give even an inch, these assholes will just keep pulling this kind of shit for the rest of Obama’s time in office. That’s not governance. It’s extortion.
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Stephen T. Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:19:26am |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
It not the place of the president to tell the Congress what it must do…
You mean just like the way that Ronald Reagan said:
This country now possesses the strongest credit in the world. The full consequences of a default or even the serious prospect of default by the United States are impossible to predict and awesome to contemplate. Denigration of the full faith and credit of the United States would have substantial effects on the domestic financial markets and on the value of the dollar in exchange markets. The Nation can ill afford to allow such a result. The risks, the cost, the disruptions, and the incalculable damage lead me to but one conclusion: the Senate must pass this legislation before the Congress adjourns.
Letter to Majority Leader Howard Baker, urging an increase in public debt ceiling (16 November 1983)
Or the way that George W. Bush said Congress Must Pass Clear Law on Detainees?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:20:25am |
re: #397 lawhawk
The factory where the women who painted the dials with radium isn’t too far from where I live. The Radium Girls.
Equipment produced by them and similar companies ended up in a factory that I pass on a daily basis. The former Curtis Wright factory in Wood-Ridge NJ. It’s claim to fame? It was one of the largest aircraft factories in the world, and was responsible for building the engines on countless aircraft, including the Enola Gay. It’s now being redeveloped for housing and offices as a transit village. But you can still see test stands and other facilities for testing engine parts.
There are amazing things tucked into the NJ hills. Our old installation made the hellishly sophisticated explosive triggers for the Manhattan Project. We also had a number of large rocket engine test stands rusting in the woods.
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Stoatly Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:21:08am |
re: #388 Vicious Babushka
“We can come up with a way to stop the cat getting burnt”
“Why would we want to do that? Just don’t start a fire… “
“Cat Burner!”
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Belafon Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:21:53am |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
Oh, no. The president’s using the bully pulpit. Whatever shall those weaklings in Congress do? It’s so mesmerizing that they just can’t overcome it’s awesomeness. We’ve seen it so many times over the last 5 years. Please save us from it’s blinding light.
Horseshit.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:23:00am |
And if Obama didn’t press for anything. He’d be called weak and lacking leadership. Saying that Obama has no place to call Congress to action on the CR is silly and dishonest at best.
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Patricia Kayden Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:24:32am |
re: #388 Vicious Babushka
Too funny but it’s exactly what the Republicans are doing with this shutdown and what they’re planning to do with the debt limit vote.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:24:34am |
I’ve got a live one…
SOCIALISM!!!!
.@Roy__Rogers socialism, you keep using that term. it doesn't mean what you think it means. Health exchanges are thru private insurance— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 3, 2013
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:25:59am |
re: #403 HappyWarrior
And if Obama didn’t press for anything. He’d be called weak and lacking leadership. Saying that Obama has no place to call Congress to action on the CR is silly and dishonest at best.
Because they’ve kept the antagonism so loud and so pure for so long, there is very little to be gained by considering the RW wants and needs at all. Time for the Prez to ignore the brats for a bit.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:26:42am |
#DearCongress, ‘I am embarrassed to be an American’: Americans sounds off on shutdown http://t.co/ZJOm3TZgCu— NBC News (@NBCNews) October 3, 2013
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:27:40am |
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:28:06am |
Appelbaum is still freaking out about The Guardian.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:29:47am |
I don’t know what bothers the nuts more; that ACA is going to be popular or that it’s going to be efficient.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:30:43am |
re: #410 HappyWarrior
I don’t know what bothers the nuts more; that ACA is going to be popular or that it’s going to be efficient.
The fact that Obama is going to get credit for passing and implementing the GOP alternative to Hillarycare.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:31:56am |
re: #411 Lidane
The fact that Obama is going to get credit for passing and implementing the GOP alternative to Hillarycare.
Yeah that too. The whole thing has just been surreal to watch. In one minute, they’re gloating about the shutdown and then they’re acting like Obama was a big old meanie to the veterans.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:32:47am |
re: #405 lawhawk
I’ve got a live one…
SOCIALISM!!!!
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lawhawk, please don’t frustrate yourself trying to engage Roy Rogers. He just spews the same derp over and over. He just Tweeted some racist shit about the FLOTUS. He is freaking insane.
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:33:01am |
@EileenJael @sandykjackson Now, reptillian shape shifter Valerie Jarrett is another story…— Roy Rogers (@Roy__Rogers) October 3, 2013
Hmmm. David Icke fan?
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:34:01am |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:34:42am |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:34:47am |
re: #414 Gus
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Hmmm. David Icke fan?
Devils and reptiles, oh my but I guess this shows the mindsets of what Obama has to deal with in Congress. I doubt any of them believe anything that particularly outlandish but the same spirit is there. It’s not that Obama is simply wrong, it’s that he’s evil.
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:35:58am |
re: #414 Gus
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Hmmm. David Icke fan?
Sounds like it.
I told a few friends of mine - of various nationalities - about David Icke, and they all burst into laughter. One asked, “Why is he not in a mental hospital? Sounds like he’s suffering from some kind of mental illness.”
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:36:01am |
Hmm… who’d benefit the most from the health care expansion? Who’s least like to get those benefits because of GOP obstructionism? They’re not exactly mutually exclusive groups.
The map tells the tale. While California is above the national average, pretty much every state below the Mason Dixon line has the greatest portion of poor who are without insurance.
Where’s public health in the worst shape. Those same areas.
The GOP is fighting to keep these people, and millions of others from getting access to affordable health insurance.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:36:37am |
I just think about the precedent this sets and this is why anyone who looks in the mirror and calls themselves a conservative should be unhappy about this or the repeated repeal attempts. But then again, this is why I think it’s more appropriate to ascribe teh reactionary moniker on them rather than conservative.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:37:10am |
re: #413 Vicious Babushka
Naw, just toying with it… it’s got its talking points and that’s about it.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:37:22am |
re: #419 Dr Lizardo
Sounds like it.
I told a few friends of mine - of various nationalities - about David Icke, and they all burst into laughter. One asked, “Why is he not in a mental hospital? Sounds like he’s suffering from some kind of mental illness.”
I’ll tell you this much. I was so disappointed that I didn’t get to see the new British prince’s tail. Clever bastards covered it up literally!
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:38:02am |
re: #422 lawhawk
Naw, just toying with it… it’s got its talking points and that’s about it.
If you poke it too much, it gets very abusive and fucks up your time line.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:38:15am |
re: #420 lawhawk
The GOP is fighting to keep these people, and millions of others from getting access to affordable health insurance.
All while telling the people in those areas that they’re saving them from socialism and from a POTUS that wants to take their guns.
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:38:47am |
@Roy__Rogers DEMOcare will reduce cancer patients by letting them die!!!— L Edward (@obamanonsense) October 3, 2013
Obama values Occupy Movement more than WWII Vets. Let that sink in.— Proud Repealista (@verytari) October 3, 2013
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:38:53am |
re: #420 lawhawk
Hmm… who’d benefit the most from the health care expansion? Who’s least like to get those benefits because of GOP obstructionism? They’re not exactly mutually exclusive groups.
The map tells the tale. While California is above the national average, pretty much every state below the Mason Dixon line has the greatest portion of poor who are without insurance.
Where’s public health in the worst shape. Those same areas.
The GOP is fighting to keep these people, and millions of others from getting access to affordable health insurance.
They’re fucking over their own constituents which makes it all the more tragic. I’m old enough to remember when West Virginia was more democratic than Virginia was.
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:39:25am |
re: #423 HappyWarrior
I’ll tell you this much. I was so disappointed that I didn’t get to see the new British prince’s tail. Clever bastards covered it up literally!
They’re pretty sneaky…..
OT, but I just heard on Euronews, which I’m watching, that a tank at Fukushima is leaking yet again.
TEPCO - the gold standard for utter incompetence.
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:42:28am |
A veiled threat to a Guardian journalist: http://t.co/WdUAE1mdlz— Jeremy Duns (@jeremyduns) October 3, 2013
…
@jamesrbuk You're not following his wishes; I'd be mighty careful about what you claim next or you're going to get your ass handed to you.— Jacob Appelbaum (@ioerror) October 3, 2013
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:42:57am |
NYP is reporting that experts are looking at whether the problems with the NYS health exchange website was the result of a DDOS attack. They saw 10 million hits yesterday, compared with 4.7 million for the federal site, despite that only about 1.1 million people in NY don’t have insurance.
Either that, or journalists, bloggers, pundits, and everyone else was trying to get on the site and overloaded it - and people would repeatedly attempt to access the site, resulting in multiple attempts (including those legitimately trying to register).
I’m leaning towards the latter being the reason, though if it’s the former, then it’s another hit on the GOP who has been pushing obstructionism and thwarting the ACA by any means necessary and its supporters more than willing to do anything to make that happen.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:43:56am |
re: #431 lawhawk
NYP is reporting that experts are looking at whether the problems with the NYS health exchange website was the result of a DDOS attack. They saw 10 million hits yesterday, compared with 4.7 million for the federal site, despite that only about 1.1 million people in NY don’t have insurance.
Either that, or journalists, bloggers, pundits, and everyone else was trying to get on the site and overloaded it - and people would repeatedly attempt to access the site, resulting in multiple attempts (including those legitimately trying to register).
I’m leaning towards the latter being the reason, though if it’s the former, then it’s another hit on the GOP who has been pushing obstructionism and thwarting the ACA by any means necessary and its supporters more than willing to do anything to make that happen.
Or, it could be a bunch of bots and crawlers from China.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:45:35am |
Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are the only things standing between you and insanity.— God (@TheTweetOfGod) October 1, 2013
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:46:09am |
So this big government takeover. What do you know. I still have the same insurance that I had before. Downright tyrannical let me tell you and what’s more my doctor is the same. Damn you Obama, you were supposed to replace my insurer with Burger King and make Dr. Bunsen Honeydew, my physician.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:47:19am |
RW media are coordinating their messaging on a listserv organized by Ted Cruz' staff, says RW media: http://t.co/vVhCSMaCc4— AdamSerwer (@AdamSerwer) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:49:45am |
There has been no direct communication with Snowden since he got into that car and was driven out of the airport. Who knows where he is now.
Still trying to find any examples of Snowden directly communicating without an intermediary or anonymous encryption. Anyone got one?— joshuafoust (@joshuafoust) October 3, 2013
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:51:07am |
LIVE NOW: Pres. Obama speaks at the M. Luis Construction Company in Maryland. http://t.co/YbnQT37XpK http://t.co/wZND4B1yEJ— Nerdy Wonka (@NerdyWonka) October 3, 2013
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:51:44am |
re: #431 lawhawk
Only 1.1 million w/o insurance in NY State? How do you do that? Alabama has about 645,000 with a fraction of the population.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:53:47am |
WTFITS
#Uniteblue says ZERO about the fact that Obama condones the Muslim Brotherhood so much he appoints them into the government.— Its Time To Wake Up! (@ENConservative) October 3, 2013
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:53:47am |
Guardian hacks who abandoned #Snowden in Hong Kong now attempting to make millions of his back http://t.co/ZzRjds5c4H— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:54:31am |
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:54:50am |
re: #439 Vicious Babushka
Someone who takes Gaffney seriously.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:55:06am |
Someone is trying to send a message to the Republicans.
Tropical Storm Karen takes aim at US Gulf coast
“Hurricane and tropical storm watches will be issued for portions of the northern Gulf Coast,” they said, adding that a full advisory would be issued soon.
The storm was moving north-northwest and forecast models showed it hitting the U.S. coast along Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the Florida Panhandle during the weekend.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:57:55am |
re: #443 Lidane
Someone who takes Gaffney seriously.
I always imagine bedtime at Frank Gaffney’s house is him asking his wife to check under the covers for Muslims and he probably has a stuffed pig that he thinks will scare the ebil Muslims away.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:58:05am |
POTUS not backing down:
Obama: “This is happening because of a reckless Republican shutdown in Washington.” pic.twitter.com/6gOo4DFJI3— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) October 3, 2013
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:58:28am |
re: #442 Vicious Babushka
Glenn Greenwald saying the same thing about the Wikileaks hacks.
@ggreenwald @VeganJosephinSD We were not referring to Glenn.— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:58:53am |
re: #445 HappyWarrior
I always imagine bedtime at Frank Gaffney’s house is him asking his wife to check under the covers for Muslims and he probably has a stuffed pig that he thinks will scare the ebil Muslims away.
Frank Gaffney wears Pam Geller pajamas.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 7:59:37am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:00:58am |
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:01:03am |
re: #444 ProTARDISLiberal
Someone is trying to send a message to the Republicans.
Don’t get too excited.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:01:08am |
The shutdown’s cost is already nearing a billion dollars. Good job, GOP.
Did you know flu outbreak monitoring is one of the things that’s compromised?
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:02:11am |
re: #438 Decatur Deb
Only 1.1 million w/o insurance in NY State? How do you do that? Alabama has about 645,000 with a fraction of the population.
Not sure, but Alabama has the same percentage of uninsured - 14% as New York.
But Massachusetts, which has RomneyCare (MassCare) succeeds like no other state. They’ve got 4% uninsureds.
Source - Kaiser
Expanding that RomneyCare model to the nation; that would reduce the percentage of uninsureds significantly. Wait, I know, we’ll call it the Affordable Care Act. And everyone will like it because it greatly expands access to private health insurance.
Oh wait. It’s been named Obamacare, and therefore must be destroyed at all costs.
States with 20% or more uninsureds:
Texas, California, Florida, Nevada, New Mexico, South Carolina, Louisiana, and Georgia. These are the states that stand to benefit most from the ACA, and they’re represented in Congress (other than CA) by the most extreme of the extremists seeking to thwart ACA implementation at the state and/or federal level.
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Dr. Matt Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:02:26am |
Rep. Stutzman (R): “We’re not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this & I don’t know what that even is.” #GOPShutdown
— Mark Takano (@RepMarkTakano) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:03:26am |
Another day, francis takes another steaming dump.
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Interesting Times Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:04:42am |
re: #455 Vicious Babushka
Another day, francis takes another steaming dump.
I wish there were a way to downding his pages from the sidebar. I don’t like giving him views.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:04:45am |
re: #454 Dr. Matt
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So, they even know what they want. They just feel disrespected. Too fucking bad guys. You don’t get to shutdown the government because you have bruised egos. Goddamn we elected a bunch of morons in 2010. I am glad that 2020 is a presidential year because maybe then we can fix the state legislatures that have Gerrymandered many of these loonies in for the longhaul.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:04:55am |
re: #452 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
At least doctors and experts can still keep track with Google. /half sarc…
The CDC has found that the google searches for flu symptoms is a good gauge for outbreaks, and they’ve taken to monitoring the data that Google accumulates on health queries to help alert people to health crises.
It’s not a substitute for the work that the CDC does, but it can help alert doctors on the ground who need to know if something’s brewing.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:05:53am |
re: #456 Interesting Times
I wish there were a way to downding his pages from the sidebar. I don’t like giving him views.
Makes barflytom look like a nice cup of tea considering that guy didn’t spam the pages with his crazy rants that he expects PResident Obama to read.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:06:21am |
re: #456 Interesting Times
I wish there were a way to downding his pages from the sidebar. I don’t like giving him views.
If he’s playing here in the yard, he’s not out causing trouble.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:06:51am |
Obama on @RepStutzman: “If you’re being disrespected, it’s because of that attitude you’ve got!” #shutdown— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:06:57am |
Kitteh-drowning Steve Stockman still Derping that HARRY REID WANTS KIDS WITH CANCER TO DIE!!!1!!!!!!
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:07:43am |
re: #462 Vicious Babushka
Kitteh-drowning Steve Stockman still Derping that HARRY REID WANTS KIDS WITH CANCER TO DIE!!!1!!!!!!
I see that they still don’t allow interns at the Stockman office to go to Happy Hour.
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Dr. Matt Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:07:45am |
re: #457 HappyWarrior
So, they even know what they want. They just feel disrespected.
And this is coming from the cult that has called our POTUS a Muslim, a communist, a socialist, anti-American, a usurper, a fascist, etc., etc., Assholes
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chadu Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:07:46am |
re: #156 goddamnedfrank
You know what, there’s an easy way out of this for the Senate Republicans if they’re so pissed off. Since the Senate itself decides who can serve they can simply go to Reid and say they want Cruz expelled the Senate. It would send a good message to the House Republicans too that this GOP civil war will end, figuratively, with Tea Party bodies bobbing in the reflecting pool and moderates reclaiming the party.
That would be awesome.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:07:51am |
re: #454 Dr. Matt
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Rep. Stutzman (R): “We’re not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this & I don’t know what that even is.” #GOPShutdown
How about we send you a shrubbery?
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:07:55am |
re: #459 HappyWarrior
Makes barflytom look like a nice cup of tea considering that guy didn’t spam the pages with his crazy rants that he expects PResident Obama to read.
At least he keeps his derp in the pages. It would suck if he dumped his pantloads all over the main threads.
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:08:28am |
re: #461 Lidane
“If you’re being disrespected, it’s because of that attitude you’ve got!”
I’m loving the mockery. Obama is clearly done with trying to placate these idiots.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:10:20am |
re: #468 makeitstop
I’m loving the mockery. Obama is clearly done with trying to placate these idiots.
LIES! Obummer is going to strike a Grand Bargain with the GOP! You’ll see! He’ll save Boehner from his own mess!
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:10:20am |
re: #461 Lidane
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Watch the whiny little bastard cry “See, that’s what I mean, he said I had an attitude problem.”, of course these are the same guys that got elected by spreading outright lies about the president’s agenda and continue to view him not as someone they disagree with but as an enemy of our country but yeah let’s feel bad for the poor widdle Tea Party because they’re just another stupid political fad that ran its course.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:11:14am |
re: #467 Vicious Babushka
At least he keeps his derp in the pages. It would suck if he dumped his pantloads all over the main threads.
True just clogs up the pages I guess from people who actually want to post constructive material there. I haven’t interacted with him yet but I get the distinct vibe that he does not understand government.
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Dr. Matt Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:11:29am |
File this under: “No one is shocked”
Ole Miss: http://t.co/aO9euZDU5P
— Tim Murphy (@timothypmurphy) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:11:50am |
re: #472 HappyWarrior
True just clogs up the pages I guess from people who actually want to post constructive material there. I haven’t interacted with him yet but I get the distinct vibe that he does not understand government.
10 downdings gets the page removed from the sidebar.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:12:16am |
re: #453 lawhawk
Not sure, but Alabama has the same percentage of uninsured - 14% as New York.
But Massachusetts, which has RomneyCare (MassCare) succeeds like no other state. They’ve got 4% uninsureds.
Expanding that RomneyCare model to the nation; that would reduce the percentage of uninsureds significantly. Wait, I know, we’ll call it the Affordable Care Act. And everyone will like it because it greatly expands access to private health insurance.Oh wait. It’s been named Obamacare, and therefore must be destroyed at all costs.
States with 20% or more uninsureds:
Texas, California, Florida, Nevada, New Mexico, South Carolina, Louisiana, and Georgia. These are the states that stand to benefit most from the ACA, and they’re represented in Congress (other than CA) by the most extreme of the extremists seeking to thwart ACA implementation at the state and/or federal level.
Some disconnect in the methodology. There is an interactive map that shows counts and rates for a ‘micro-statistical area’. (Looks like the MSSA from back in the day.) Ours shows a 15.2% rate for our neighborhood.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:13:02am |
Cue the ‘splodey heads:
POTUS on GOP: “You don't negotiate by putting a gun to the other person's head or worse, by putting a gun to the American people's heads.”— Nerdy Wonka (@NerdyWonka) October 3, 2013
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:13:31am |
re: #473 Dr. Matt
File this under: “No one is shocked”
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Kind of like the stories about Bama still having segregation on campus. But this sucks.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:14:24am |
Oh yeah. He sounds really ready for a Grand Bargain:
Pres. Obama on GOP: “And while they're at it, the House Republicans need to stop careening from crisis to crisis in everything they do”— Nerdy Wonka (@NerdyWonka) October 3, 2013
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GOPHostage#25698724 Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:14:26am |
re: #458 lawhawk
At least doctors and experts can still keep track with Google. /half sarc…
The CDC has found that the google searches for flu symptoms is a good gauge for outbreaks, and they’ve taken to monitoring the data that Google accumulates on health queries to help alert people to health crises.
It’s not a substitute for the work that the CDC does, but it can help alert doctors on the ground who need to know if something’s brewing.
The upside of Big Data. Which BTW is freaking huge if properly harnessed.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:15:02am |
Henry Ford said it right: pic.twitter.com/jNCEKYQKWG via @Hendems #uniteblue— ProgressiveHelp PhD (@CallOut4) October 2, 2013
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:15:06am |
I’m almost afraid to post a comment, I don’t want to break LGF again.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:15:47am |
re: #478 Lidane
Oh yeah. He sounds really ready for a Grand Bargain:
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I am sure this will cause the MBFs of the world to say “But he’s just as bad.” No this is a President that has had enough of ideologues in Congress thinking that only their concerns matter.
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:18:18am |
@Chris_Moody @instapundit This is starting to look like a communist revolution. America may be over.— Gregasaurus (@Lago_morph) October 3, 2013
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:18:59am |
re: #455 Vicious Babushka
Another day, francis takes another steaming dump.
Could you have not slammed that image into my head?
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:19:15am |
Steve Stockman still Tweeting this Derp
Harry Reid was replying to a completely different question.
Help kids with cancer? Reid asks: 'Why would we want to do that? http://t.co/gt2CwB4Fdw— Rep. Steve Stockman (@SteveWorks4You) October 3, 2013
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:19:41am |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:20:21am |
The party that opposed SCHIP is claiming that they care about sick kids now? That’s a laugh.
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:20:48am |
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:22:12am |
re: #475 Decatur Deb
The Kaiser figure aggregates the data for statewide. The Google Map breakout is by statistical area.
Interestingly, those in Jefferson County (which includes Birmingham) have far lower uninsured rates than elsewhere in the state other than Lee County, which is where Auburn is located. Those low number areas are ringed by significantly higher uninsured areas.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:22:31am |
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:22:42am |
re: #486 HappyWarrior
lolwut? This isn’t even the February Revolution.
As if they would know what that meant.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:22:47am |
Only The Great GINGRICH is allowed to shutdown the government for being disrespectful! These insolent puppies would not dare attempt this if it wasn’t for the weak and unworthy one occupying my former throne.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:23:39am |
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:23:46am |
BREAKING: Obama: House Speaker John Boehner is the only thing keeping the government shut down.— The Associated Press (@AP) October 3, 2013
MORE: Obama pins government shutdown on Boehner, says he doesn't want to anger Republican “extremists”: http://t.co/jICziNxTSn -KM
— The Associated Press (@AP) October 3, 2013
How’s that Grand Bargain looking now, NRO? Hahahaha.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:24:26am |
re: #495 Lidane
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How’s that Grand Bargain looking now, NRO? Hahahaha.
NRO showed again why they should be laughed at.
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:26:41am |
I’d love to hear President Obama simply say, “The only thing I’m willing to negotiate with the Republicans in the House is the terms of their unconditional surrender.”
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:26:42am |
re: #495 Lidane
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How’s that Grand Bargain looking now, NRO? Hahahaha.
Man, they’re really piling on Johnny Orange. Reid and Schumer yesterday, POTUS today.
Not that he doesn’t deserve every bit of it. But they’re being relentless with it. Maybe if Boehner doesn’t respond to common sense, he’ll respond to abject ridicule.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:30:03am |
But not one word about pregnant women and babies thrown off the WIC program.
Pro-life leaders send letter to Boehner opposing Obamacare's taxpayer-backed abortions http://t.co/9Dmva8eeXG— Rep. Steve Stockman (@SteveWorks4You) October 3, 2013
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:30:17am |
Obama tears into Republicans over shutdown: If Americans just stopped working, they’d be fired! http://t.co/bfoShRIHj1— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:31:55am |
WTFITS
Asked to go on @MSNBC with @TheRevAl. If I wear a yarmulke do I have to pin it back?— Rep. Steve Stockman (@SteveWorks4You) October 3, 2013
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piratedan Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:32:03am |
re: #418 Carlos Danger
probably because they’re intimately familiar with the people killing the golden goose…..
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:35:06am |
re: #500 Lidane
“You know, if you’re working here and in the middle of the day you just stopped and said, you know what? I want to get something, but I don’t know — I don’t know exactly what I’m going get, but — I’m just going to stop working until I get — I’m going to shut down the whole plant until I get something. You’d get fired! right?”
Give ‘em hell, Mr. President.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:36:37am |
re: #501 Vicious Babushka
His inner anti-Semite is showing? Beats the heck out of me what he means by that.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:37:41am |
“You know, if you’re working here and in the middle of the day you just stopped and said, you know what? I want to get something, but I don’t know — I don’t know exactly what I’m going get, but — I’m just going to stop working until I get — I’m going to shut down the whole plant until I get something. You’d get fired! right?”
When a bunch of workers do this it is called a “walkout” and a “strike” so actually this was a poor analogy. I am sure that POTUS supports unions and the right to collective bargaining, but that is not what the GOP is doing here.
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:39:00am |
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:39:35am |
re: #506 Vicious Babushka
When a bunch of workers do this it is called a “walkout” and a “strike” so actually this was a poor analogy. I am sure that POTUS supports unions and the right to collective bargaining, but that is not what the GOP is doing here.
But workers generally go into a walkout or a strike with a plan and a goal.
Rs may have had a goal in mind, but they sure didn’t think it through. Their Plan A was that Obama would cave, but they failed to work up a contingency plan.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:39:48am |
re: #489 lawhawk
The Kaiser figure aggregates the data for statewide. The Google Map breakout is by statistical area.
Interestingly, those in Jefferson County (which includes Birmingham) have far lower uninsured rates than elsewhere in the state other than Lee County, which is where Auburn is located. Those low number areas are ringed by significantly higher uninsured areas.
Take a look at the Mississippi Gulf coast.
“Thank God for Mississippi.”
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erik_t Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:40:27am |
re: #506 Vicious Babushka
When a bunch of workers do this it is called a “walkout” and a “strike” so actually this was a poor analogy. I am sure that POTUS supports unions and the right to collective bargaining, but that is not what the GOP is doing here.
No, that would be if the entire Congress taking a vote to walk out to get something. This is, if we want to really bludgeon the metaphor, the union boss not allowing his membership to take a return-to-work to a popular vote.
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:42:07am |
re: #507 Gus
Not here. Just human “errors.” //
I’m getting a lot of server errors while on Twitter. I thought maybe the disease LGF had has infected Twitter.
‘Internal Server Error’
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:42:18am |
re: #508 makeitstop
But workers generally go into a walkout or a strike with a plan and a goal.
Rs may have had a goal in mind, but they sure didn’t think it through. Their Plan A was that Obama would cave, but they failed to work up a contingency plan.
The Rs have a goal just like the underpants gnomes.
1. Shutdown the government.
2. ???
3. IMPEACH!
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:42:21am |
Thomas Roberts is totally p0wning Reince right now LOL.
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:44:21am |
re: #511 b_sharp
I’m getting a lot of server errors while on Twitter. I thought maybe the disease LGF had has infected Twitter.
‘Internal Server Error’
Clear history, cache, etc?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:44:29am |
I don’t know what I’d compare this to since this is just so bizarre. Here, we have a settled law. Something that was passed and even upheld by the USSC already. The Republicans seem to think that they can force President Obama into signing a defunding or repeal of it just because they say so. The fact of the matter is though that President Obama and the Congressional Democrats have compromised with them countless times. So I don’t blame the President for not wanting to give them an inch on this. Let their constiuents see the shutdown and how it effects them and then maybe they’ll realize that these people don’t have their best interests at heart and enough internal pressure will make them swallow the bullet. It just sucks. At least when we had the first shutodwn in the 90’s, the economy was in relatively good shape and there were a handful of sane Republicans left in the caucus. Now, all the sane Republicans are pretty much generally supportive of POTUS or distancing themselves from this freak show.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:48:59am |
Mansplainy GOP congressman calls female CNN host a “beautiful” liar http://t.co/o3uKKPyPT7— Jezebel (@Jezebel) October 3, 2013
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:49:24am |
Rs never think of this kind of stuff, either. In their own states. Because they don’t really give a shit about the “little” people. Own it, Republicans, you sorry shitheels.
#FEMA Director Craig Fugate says because of Gulf storm threat, there is now a “limited recall” of furloughed life-saving workers. @NBCNews— Mark Potter (@MarkPotterNBC) October 3, 2013
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:49:49am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:50:02am |
Bryan is so fucking stupid.
If the debt ceiling is not raised, feds will have to live on $2.7 trillion. If you can't run a country on $2.7T, quit.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) October 3, 2013
Critics: don't raise debt ceiling, won't be able to borrow more money because nobody will loan it to us. THAT'S THE IDEA.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) October 3, 2013
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:50:24am |
re: #516 Lidane
How to make friends and influence people…
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:51:03am |
re: #517 Justanotherhuman
Coincidentally, it is going for some of the Reddest regions of the US.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:51:19am |
re: #519 Vicious Babushka
Bryan is so fucking stupid.
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Alright Bryan, call the people holding your debt and tell them “I’ve decided not to borrow any more money, so I won’t be paying you back.”
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:51:29am |
GOP Sen Reportedly Told McConnell There’s A ‘Leadership Vacuum’
To sum up - the Speaker of the House is afraid to lose the speakership, and the Senate Majority Leader is afraid of being flanked to his right.
Profiles in Courage. LOL.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:52:09am |
re: #523 makeitstop
GOP Sen Reportedly Told McConnell There’s A ‘Leadership Vacuum’
To sum up - the Speaker of the House is afraid to lose the speakership, and the Senate Majority Leader is afraid of being flanked to his right.
Profiles in Courage. LOL.
Once again raising the question “Who exactly is the President supposed to be negotiating with?”
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:52:49am |
they should just go all bible code on the affordable care act. that oughta keep them busy for a bit. “omg the mark of the beast!”— Oliver Willis (@owillis) October 3, 2013
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:54:05am |
“Anti-Soviet warrior puts his army on the road for peace”. Article from The Independent about Osama Bin Laden. 1993. pic.twitter.com/ydKyruTDc4— Historical Pictures (@HistoricalPics) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:54:21am |
re: #522 Targetpractice
Alright Bryan, call the people holding your debt and tell them “I’ve decided not to borrow any more money, so I won’t be paying you back.”
You just know that Bryan will say I DON’T HAVE ANY DEBT BECAUSE I AM SO FRUGAL AND THRIFTY AND FOLLOW A BUDGET!! IF I CAN LIVE WITHIN MY MEANS ON MY MILLIONS SO CAN ANYBODY!!11!!!!
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:55:03am |
re: #527 Vicious Babushka
You just know that Bryan will say I DON’T HAVE ANY DEBT BECAUSE I AM SO FRUGAL AND THRIFTY AND FOLLOW A BUDGET!! IF I CAN LIVE WITHIN MY MEANS ON MY MILLIONS SO CAN ANYBODY!!11!!!!
I’m not in debt to anybody! I rely upon my followers to pay my bills!! Wait…
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:55:11am |
re: #524 Targetpractice
Once again raising the question “Who exactly is the President supposed to be negotiating with?”
Pres Obama says no one.
They have nothing with which to “negotiate” anyway.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:55:42am |
Morning Lizards. See that the R’s plan for the tanking economy is still on track.
Stocks fall again on Washington woes
The Dow, Nasdaq and S & P 500 were all lower in early trading. They were little helped by the morning’s economic news that jobless claims rose slightly. More federal workers could file in coming weeks if they remain on unpaid leave for awhile due to the shutdown.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:55:58am |
Dow is down 167 pts at the moment.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:56:32am |
.@KarlRove .@NRO you mean like the compassionate conservatism that stopped WIC, SNAP, and govt services inc. NOAA, NASA, etc? #GOPshutdown— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:57:07am |
.@SteveWorks4You But not one word from these “Pro-Lifers” about pregnant women & infants shut out of the WIC program. #UniteBlue #shutdown— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) October 3, 2013
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jaunte Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:57:21am |
Miramar Air Show grounded by federal shutdown
Simple solution from the comments: round up and deport illegals!
Image: Screen_shot_2013-10-03_at_10.55.09_AM.png
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:57:37am |
re: #474 Vicious Babushka
10 downdings gets the page removed from the sidebar.
That should be referred to as ‘the francis rule’.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:59:09am |
Interesting: Cantor questions whether House Ds will support clean CR at R-backed sequester levels. Preparing to declare victory if they do?— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:59:27am |
re: #535 wrenchwench
That should be referred to as ‘the francis rule’.
I think it was in place before francis showed up, but francis has received the most benefit of it.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:59:35am |
re: #532 lawhawk
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Oh shut up the fuck up Karl, already. Really I don’t want to hear it from George W. Bush’s hatchet man about tolerance and thoughtful nice. Go away you pathetic troll.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:59:36am |
GOP Rep. Stutzman walks back “don't know” what we want comment: http://t.co/mIhSYjOUCu— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 8:59:55am |
@viciousbabushka @SteveWorks4You I think you are confusing us with Obama, the dog eater.— San Pedro, CA. (@San_Pedro_CA) October 3, 2013
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:00:17am |
re: #534 jaunte
Miramar Air Show grounded by federal shutdown
Simple solution from the comments: round up and deport illegals!
Image: Screen_shot_2013-10-03_at_10.55.09_AM.png
And “marshal” law! Idiots.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:01:04am |
re: #517 Justanotherhuman
Rs never think of this kind of stuff, either. In their own states. Because they don’t really give a shit about the “little” people. Own it, Republicans, you sorry shitheels.
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If you ask me, that’s the worst thing about conservatism these days. Conservatives’ empathy is reserved for the already powerful and the hateful.
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:02:09am |
re: #536 Lidane
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The GOP have painted themselves into a corner and the leadership - at least - doesn’t know what to do. They’re scared sh*tless of being primaried by their fanatical base, and anything that looks like it could be construed as the slightest concession on their part is enough to scare the good old Irish bejaysus out of them.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:02:17am |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:02:28am |
re: #540 Vicious Babushka
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Obama eating dog as a child, terrible terrible but Fred Malek barbecuing a dog alive in a park as an adult= fine and Mitt Romney putting his dog on top of a car and then thinking it was funny that the dog got sick, also fine.
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:02:43am |
From Political Wire (sourced from NBC)
Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-TX), who voted along with other Republicans to attach conditions to a funding bill knowing it would close the federal government, was videotaped by NBC Washington confronting a park ranger as she was keeping most of the public out of the closed World War II memorial.
Said Neugebauer: “How do you look at them and deny them access? … The Park Service should be ashamed of themselves.”
Replied the ranger: “I’m not ashamed.”
At that point, a crowd of onlookers got involved telling the lawmaker to pass a budget before he walked away.
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chadu Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:03:15am |
re: #461 Lidane
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Holy craps!
They’ve finally pissed Doctor Banner the President off.
BARACK SMASH!
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:03:45am |
re: #544 Targetpractice
*facepalm* Isn’t that what Democrats have called on for days?
You lie! Obummer and the Dems have been making all sorts of unreasonable demands! Fox News told me so!
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:03:48am |
re: #546 Carlos Danger
From Political Wire (sourced from NBC)
The charade is falling apart. They hoped to keep milking this, but people have already gotten wise.
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erik_t Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:04:03am |
re: #543 Dr Lizardo
The GOP have painted themselves into a corner and the leadership - at least - doesn’t know what to do. They’re scared sh*tless of being primaried by their fanatical base, and anything that looks like it could be construed as the slightest concession on their part is enough to scare the good old Irish bejaysus out of them.
Which is funny, because the paint stripe is an arrow-straight line about a kilometer long and they found a corner the size of an accessible port-o-potty.
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:04:57am |
LOL, Senate Dems brought a poster of Marlin Stutzman's “disrespected” quote to their presser. pic.twitter.com/oJoLRmKv0I— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) October 3, 2013
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:05:08am |
re: #550 Targetpractice
The charade is falling apart. They hoped to keep milking this, but people have already gotten wise.
That’s what’s so fucking annoying here. The GOP isn’t even going to get anything out of this. They’re fucking themselves and the rest of the country over simultaneously. It’s like the angry drunk guy trying to insist on driving. You can’t let him, but you can’t drive while he’s trying to grab the wheel either.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:05:13am |
re: #546 Carlos Danger
From Political Wire (sourced from NBC)
I am so sick of these fuckers. You guys own the shutdown. Not the park service. You know, it sucks that the WWII memorial is closed but where’s the Republican empathy directed to towards the kids who won’t get HeadStart funding or anyone else who is actually adversely effected by the shut down. It sucks that people can’t see the memorial but the other side effects are much worse.
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:05:16am |
re: #551 erik_t
Which is funny, because the paint stripe is an arrow-straight line about a kilometer long and they found a corner the size of an accessible port-o-potty.
The GOP has no one to blame but themselves for this debacle they now find themselves in.
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:05:22am |
I think most people can understand why the parks are closed. No one in their right fucking mind would let people into the Smithsonian without any staff.
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chadu Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:05:31am |
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:06:35am |
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:07:23am |
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:08:22am |
re: #559 Targetpractice
GOP quickly proving to be their own worst enemies.
The longer this drags on, the more the GOP infighting will be exacerbated; they fail to see this.
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chadu Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:08:24am |
re: #491 CuriousLurker
Drive-by comment:
Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell caught on hot mic: “We’re gonna win this”
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They’re insane.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:08:34am |
re: #558 makeitstop
I thought they already conceded that?
Months ago. It’s been the whole fucking point of all this.
Cantor is just trying to find a way to declare victory in this shitstorm.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:08:34am |
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:08:37am |
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:08:37am |
re: #539 Lidane
GOP Rep. Stutzman walks back “don’t know” what we want comment
Still a Grade A asshole.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:08:49am |
re: #559 Targetpractice
GOP quickly proving to be their own worst enemies.
Clinton/Cruz 2016.
We sort of owe him.
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:08:57am |
What happens if a monument gets vandalized? Is that going to be Obama’s fault too?
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:08:58am |
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:10:27am |
re: #562 Dr Lizardo
The longer this drags on, the more the GOP infighting will be exacerbated; they fail to see this.
The longer this goes on, the more obvious it becomes who’s really trying to work towards a solution, who’s scared shitless of the Tea Party, and who’s just in this for presidential ambitions.
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chadu Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:10:32am |
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Bubblehead II Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:11:24am |
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:11:32am |
Hot Mic Catches What Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell Are Really Worried About #boehnershutdown http://t.co/Pr87Mwp1Iq— Dog Lovers 4 Obama (@Donna_West) October 3, 2013
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:11:55am |
re: #569 Carlos Danger
What happens if a monument gets vandalized? Is that going to be Obama’s fault too?
If the House Republicans get to cut embassy/consulate and Benghazi becomes 100% Obama’s personal fault, you can be damn sure that if a monument got vandalized during a shut down that it would be Obama’s fault. As I said, I feel bad that people can’t visit the memorial but notice how they’er only focusing on the WWII one. Vietnam Vets travel nationwide to visit the Vietnam one and the Vietnam one is actually and I mean no disrespect to WWII vets a more personal one since they can literally find their deceased friends on the wall. The whole thing is a pander to America’s elderly voters and a whistle BARACK OBAMA DOESN’T CARE ABOUT YOuR SACRIFICE SO HE CLOSED THE MEMORIAL DOWN. Now, thankfully I think enough older veterans will see through the sham for what it is.
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:12:04am |
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:12:18am |
Wonderful, PTL! The one you wanted? : )
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:12:19am |
re: #565 HappyWarrior
A large company with a location in Yukon, OK.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:12:56am |
re: #578 ProTARDISLiberal
A large company with a location in Yukon, OK.
I thought you said you wanted to work in Dearborn.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:13:15am |
.@justinwolfers .@LOLGOP .@USTreasury #GOP owns this if they try the #ACA poison pill in the debt ceiling debate; avoidable if clean vote— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 3, 2013
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:13:46am |
Republican Congressman admits the truth: “We have to do this because of the Tea Party.” http://t.co/RJJv5NY3e2— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) October 3, 2013
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:14:23am |
re: #575 HappyWarrior
The ranger is doing is job, unlike Randy Neugebauer, who… is, uh, slumming around Washington.
The PR work they’re doing is like something out of a crappy 90s movie or something.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:14:44am |
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piratedan Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:14:45am |
re: #546 Carlos Danger
From Political Wire (sourced from NBC)
well shit, doesn’t Randy have a JOB to go perform? Time well spent harassing a public employee who isn’t even being paid most likely for enforcing a policy that you helped bring about.
what a tool
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:14:59am |
re: #572 chadu
FTFY
I was going to post that at first, but I feel calling POTUS ‘Barry’ is a little disrespectful.
I’ve seen too many nutjobs use it as a term of derision.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:15:03am |
re: #579 Vicious Babushka
Later down the road. I need to take more classes to reconstruct my GIS Skills. Also, I wanted to be in a safe place, Muslim speaking to complete knowledge of the Faith.
My Imam is a peaceful Moderate. Denver, on the other hand, as a chronic nutcase problem.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:15:38am |
re: #581 Lidane
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Then it needs to be stated in more less obscene terms that the GOP are the Tea Party’s bitches.
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:15:47am |
re: #579 Vicious Babushka
I thought you said you wanted to work in Dearborn.
And it has a big Czech festival! Who knew? Image: czech_parade.jpg
And “Yukon” is in “Canadian” County. Go figure.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:16:36am |
re: #585 makeitstop
I was going to post that at first, but I feel calling POTUS ‘Barry’ is a little disrespectful.
I’ve seen too many nutjobs use it as a term of derision.
I think it comes from “Give em hell Harry” to which Truman told the man- “I don’t give them hell, I just tell them the truth and they call that hell.”
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piratedan Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:17:08am |
re: #588 Justanotherhuman
may be tied to the name of the river, rather than proximity of the governing entity to the north
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:18:35am |
re: #589 HappyWarrior
I think it comes from “Give em hell Harry” to which Truman told the man- “I don’t give them hell, I just tell them the truth and they call that hell.”
Got it. I still couldn’t bring myself to post it.
I’m not calling Chadu out for doing so. I just chose to pass up a nice play on words. :)
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:18:40am |
[wingnut]DO YOU KNOW WHO ELSE POSED FOR PHOTO OPS WITH DOCTORS IN WHITE COATS!!!11!!!!!!![/winbnut]
Yeah @LukeRussert can you believe such childish theatrics?!? pic.twitter.com/M2Dn3PyOY1— S.M (@redsteeze) October 3, 2013
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:18:58am |
Well, I’m starting to think that I didn’t land an interview with the conservatory for the writing positoin because they wanted an English BA student. Too bad. I thought I could do this and earn some money on the side while I did my DOI gig. The former was going to be a work form home type position and my foot in the door for writing jobs.
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chadu Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:19:39am |
re: #585 makeitstop
I was going to post that at first, but I feel calling POTUS ‘Barry’ is a little disrespectful.
I’ve seen too many nutjobs use it as a term of derision.
I dig that — even considered not fixing it myself, but I think it’s cool, given the historical context.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:19:46am |
re: #591 makeitstop
Got it. I still couldn’t bring myself to post it.
I’m not calling Chadu out for doing so. I just chose to pass up a nice play on words. :)
Yeah I hear ya, I always see him derisively called Barry too.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:19:46am |
re: #586 ProTARDISLiberal
I want to bring skills to that area later.
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chadu Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:21:05am |
re: #589 HappyWarrior
“I don’t give them hell, I just tell them the truth and they call that hell.”
QFT.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:21:05am |
So here it is though, 5 months after I set out to lose weight and I’m no longer obese. Life is great. Just knew this would be a good year from the minute the clock struck minute on Jan 1. in the bar.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:21:32am |
I'm not a math major, but I can count. If these 20 Rs unite with 200 House Ds, we could end this shutdown today. http://t.co/L2oLY5TxkO— Senator Harry Reid (@SenatorReid) October 3, 2013
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:22:04am |
re: #597 chadu
QFT.
He’s my favorite president probably though I’ve recently have thanks to Spielberg’s Lincoln been tempted by old Abe. Abe may be the greatest I guess but I think Truman will be a favorite.
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chadu Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:22:22am |
re: #591 makeitstop
Got it. I still couldn’t bring myself to post it.
I’m not calling Chadu out for doing so. I just chose to pass up a nice play on words. :)
And I chose not to pass it up, because “writer/editor/reader of Presidential biographies over here!” ;)
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:23:04am |
re: #599 Lidane
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Come on sane House R’s. Step up and do the right thing. Some of you may not win re-nomination but you’ll be remembered as people who put principle beyond ideology and did the right thing.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:23:40am |
re: #599 Lidane
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No offense Harry, but we remember how the other day Pete King said he had 25 votes ready to “revolt.” Until the votes are actually counted, I don’t trust any report of Republicans ready to vote for a clean CR.
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chadu Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:24:53am |
re: #600 HappyWarrior
He’s my favorite president probably though I’ve recently have thanks to Spielberg’s Lincoln been tempted by old Abe. Abe may be the greatest I guess but I think Truman will be a favorite.
Personal faves (not necessarily the “best” Presidents):
#1. John Adams/TR (tied)
#2. Abe Lincoln
#3. Harry Truman
#4. Barack Obama (tentative)
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:25:33am |
re: #590 piratedan
may be tied to the name of the river, rather than proximity of the governing entity to the north
Yeah, but he might have to put up with this at any rate:
Where do you work? Oh, I work on Garth Brooks Blvd. (Brooks grew up in Yukon.)
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Dr. Matt Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:25:34am |
.@DuncanGray Yes, @SenatorReid, your “demands” for a clean CR…how “ridiculous”! #teabaggerlogic #GOPshutdown #derp
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) October 3, 2013
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:26:05am |
re: #600 HappyWarrior
He’s my favorite president probably though I’ve recently have thanks to Spielberg’s Lincoln been tempted by old Abe. Abe may be the greatest I guess but I think Truman will be a favorite.
Truman got all kinds of shit and pulled through it. Not very many people are aware of the sentiment at the time which painted Truman as a second-rate machine politician.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:26:23am |
I think we’re in this for the long haul. At least in the Gingrich years, there wasn’t a fanatical entity that threatened to primary challenge anyone who parted course. It really sucks. Hell, as much as I despise the Republican Party right now, if they have to be the biggest alternative to the Democratic one, I want them to be sane if not for their minds but so we have a constructive discussion about how things should be done in our own Republic but the Tea Party that dominates the GOP ain’t that.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:27:36am |
re: #606 Dr. Matt
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Come now, Matt, you know better. A functioning government is a demand, one that the GOP requires a large sacrifice on the part of Democrats before they’ll agree to it.
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:31:36am |
re: #491 CuriousLurker
Drive-by comment:
Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell caught on hot mic: “We’re gonna win this”
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That’s gonna hurt ‘em, I hope. Rand thinks they will ‘win’, even if they compromise and say ‘we tried’. He says ‘I don’t think they poll-tested this “we won’t negotiate” position’. Poll-tested or not, I think the polls are against the Republicans pretty solidly now.
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Dr. Matt Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:32:03am |
By the way, today is the 20th anniversary of ‘Black Hawk Down’, i.e., The Battle of Mogadishu.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:32:32am |
dailypress.com
From Senator Warner’s facebook feed. Those damn lazy federal workers.//
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:33:13am |
re: #608 HappyWarrior
I think we’re in this for the long haul. At least in the Gingrich years, there wasn’t a fanatical entity that threatened to primary challenge anyone who parted course. It really sucks. Hell, as much as I despise the Republican Party right now, if they have to be the biggest alternative to the Democratic one, I want them to be sane if not for their minds but so we have a constructive discussion about how things should be done in our own Republic but the Tea Party that dominates the GOP ain’t that.
Look the saner members of the RP could have stepped up any time, esp in the last 5 yrs, and they didn’t. They abrogated their own responsibility to the country by giving the TP and the RWNJs and fundies a big old pass. And they put a ne’er-do-well like Priebus in charge of the whole thing.
As a political party, they are so dysfunctional, I’m not sure they will ever recover until they purge themselves of their extreme rightwing factions, and I don’t see that happening.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:33:31am |
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:34:04am |
re: #612 HappyWarrior
dailypress.com
From Senator Warner’s facebook feed. Those damn lazy federal workers.//
Wait, you missed the REAL news:
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kirkspencer Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:35:07am |
re: #599 Lidane
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Except he knows that’s not enough due to the arcane house (as opposed to arcane senate) rules.
Nothing goes to the floor unless a) the Speaker sends it to the floor or b) a 2/3 majority can force it to the floor. The latter takes a bunch of little dance steps.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:35:42am |
You know what is really sick? That this demented individual was elected to a public office.
Democrats have vowed to kill any bill that begins reopening government, even if it means kicking kids off their cancer treatments. Sick.— Rep. Steve Stockman (@SteveWorks4You) October 3, 2013
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:35:53am |
I can’t help but wonder if Cantor is really happy with how things are going. A Fiasco will help his coup d’etat against Boehner.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:36:28am |
re: #615 Carlos Danger
Wait, you missed the REAL news:
Ha, sweet. But two things- Norfolk’s a three hour drive and while I like bacon, I don’t love bacon.
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piratedan Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:37:19am |
re: #617 Vicious Babushka
You know what is really sick? That this demented individual was elected to a public office.
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Goebbels would have been proud of him (apologies for Godwining the thread)
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:37:22am |
re: #617 Vicious Babushka
You know what is really sick? That this demented individual was elected to a public office.
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If you’re worried about kids being kicked off cancer treatment, Steve, why support bills that include 10% cuts to the NIH’s budget?
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:38:11am |
re: #588 Justanotherhuman
And it has a big Czech festival! Who knew? Image: czech_parade.jpg
And “Yukon” is in “Canadian” County. Go figure.
Sorry. Bad night and my reading comprehension skills have suffered for it.
My bad.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:39:06am |
re: #618 William Barnett-Lewis
He’d be in no better position to deal with the extortionists than Boehner, and the pressure to make a deal would be just as great.
That’s the problem for anyone in the GOP that seeks the Speaker’s gavel. They will have to cut a deal. Maybe not today or next week, but they will have to cut a deal, and they’ll get nothing in return because the Democrats are united while the GOP is in disarray and questioning the strategy that got them here - even as the “moderates” are still not willing to take the TP on in a straight up fight.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:39:28am |
re: #613 Justanotherhuman
Look the saner members of the RP could have stepped up any time, esp in the last 5 yrs, and they didn’t. They abrogated their own responsibility to the country by giving the TP and the RWNJs and fundies a big old pass. And they put and a ne’er-do-well like Priebus in charge of the whole thing.
As a political party, they are so dysfunctional, I’m not sure they will ever recover until they purge themselves of their extreme rightwing factions, and I don’t see that happening.
It really does I think go back to the Nixon-Reagan-Goldwater days when the R Party decided it wanted to stop being the party of Ike and TR and Abe but instead the party of old bigots. The party that once talked about making the New Deal more efficient became the party of those who saw any government intervention as evil evil. And that’s not even touching on how they devolved from the party that sponsored the federal anti-lynching bill and was generally supportive of civil rights to the one that eagerly accepted Strom Thurmond as a member. You’re right. They need to purge their more radical elements and the few moderates left need to stop making excuses for their party.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:40:03am |
re: #621 Targetpractice
Or why support legislation that would like the ACA, which eliminated lifetime caps and preexisting conditions - things that apply to cancer patients, especially those who have a recurrence.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:40:06am |
re: #621 Targetpractice
If you’re worried about kids being kicked off cancer treatment, Steve, why support bills that include 10% cuts to the NIH’s budget?
Digggggggggggg. But he’s just concern trolling.
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:40:09am |
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:40:46am |
GOP leaders still playing mother may I with tea party extortionists while holding economy hostage. End shutdown easy. #CleanCR— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 3, 2013
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:40:54am |
re: #604 chadu
Personal faves (not necessarily the “best” Presidents):
#1. John Adams/TR (tied)
#2. Abe Lincoln
#3. Harry Truman
#4. Barack Obama (tentative)
I’d have to say my favorites are
1) TR (even though his mishandling of Japan set us on the course to WWII).
2) Lincoln
3) FDR
4) Ike
5) Jefferson (he was a better president than person… )
Obama is about 5 or 6 down from there for me but he’s still the best since Ike.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:41:03am |
re: #625 lawhawk
Or why support legislation that would like the ACA, which eliminated lifetime caps and preexisting conditions - things that apply to cancer patients, especially those who have a recurrence.
Exactly but Stockman doesn’t actually care. This is just plain old cynicism trying to paint himself and by extension his party as the party who really cares about the downtrodden. Actions always speak larger than words here.
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BongCrodny Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:41:23am |
re: #587 HappyWarrior
Then it needs to be stated in more less obscene terms that the GOP are the Tea Party’s bitches.
The Tea Party is going to do things their way, regardless of the consequences, unmoved by who gets hurt, all the while making ridiculous excuses for the damage they cause.
So, yeah — the Tea Party is Walter White.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:41:27am |
The fact that this is news is mind-blowing. The GOP are insane:
Breaking News: Boehner Tells Republicans He Won’t Let the Nation Default http://t.co/eqDfdEsmLj— The New York Times (@nytimes) October 3, 2013
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:42:20am |
re: #632 Lidane
The fact that this is news is mind-blowing. The GOP are insane:
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He won’t let the nation default, but still wants Democrats to take him seriously when he says he’ll do it unless they agree to his demands.
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:42:59am |
The Republicans would absolutely do it. They would crash this country to remake it in their image.
Treasury warns default could be worse than Great Recession
“The U.S. Treasury Department is warning that the economy could plunge into a downturn worse than the Great Recession if Congress fails to raise the federal borrowing limit and the country defaults on its debt obligations.
“A default could cause the nation’s credit markets to freeze, the value of the dollar to plummet and U.S. interest rates to skyrocket, according to the Treasury report released Thursday.
“Treasury officials hope by laying out potential consequences they will be able to bring pressure on Congress to act. Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew has said he will have used up the extraordinary measures to avoid breaching the debt ceiling by Oct. 17. After that, the government will have around $30 billion of cash on hand.”
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:43:09am |
Check out the facebook feed of Charlie Dent, the Representative who led the revolt against the House leadership. Interesting mix of commenters in there.
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Internet Tough Guy Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:44:13am |
re: #632 Lidane
Breaking News: Boehner Tells Republicans He Won’t Let the Nation Default
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lol at Boehner thinking he controls anything.
Other Republicans also said Thursday that they got the sense that Mr. Boehner, who held two meetings Wednesday with groups of House moderates, would do whatever was necessary to ensure the country did not default on its debt.
Except pass the clean CR and debt limit increases.
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b.d. Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:44:23am |
So if we get that hurricane hitting republican territory in the next few days, what effect will the government shutdown have on any response, emergency aide, etc.?
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:44:26am |
re: #633 Targetpractice
He won’t let the nation default, but still wants Democrats to take him seriously when he says he’ll do it unless they agree to his demands.
It’s also possible that could be Boehner’s ‘red line’, and he’s putting the more extremist faction of the GOP on notice that he’s not willing to go that far.
Yeah, I know……I’m a Pollyanna sometimes.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:44:54am |
Dow down 172.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:45:01am |
re: #635 Carlos Danger
Check out the facebook feed of Charlie Dent, the Representative who led the revolt against the House leadership. Interesting mix of commenters in there.
I actually think it’s pretty admirable even though Dent voted to defund Obamacare that his staff actually replied to a teabagging idiot that asked why not defunding Obamacare.
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:46:05am |
re: #640 HappyWarrior
lol at the teabaggers saying he needs to “grow a spine”. There’s a difference between having a spine and being ossified.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:46:09am |
re: #637 b.d.
So if we get that hurricane hitting republican territory in the next few days, what effect will the government shutdown have on any response, emergency aide, etc.?
Apparently FEMA is already doing limited recalls of first responder staff that have been furloughed so they can prepare for that storm.
No matter what the douchecanoe teabaggers think, disaster relief IS an essential function of government.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:46:29am |
re: #638 Dr Lizardo
It’s also possible that could be Boehner’s ‘red line’, and he’s putting the more extremist faction of the GOP on notice that he’s not willing to go that far.
Yeah, I know……I’m a Pollyanna sometimes.
I’m not that hopeful. I expect he’ll be told, in no uncertain terms, that he either agrees to snuggle himself into that bomb vest and gets prepared to press the trigger or he starts looking for a new job.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:46:36am |
re: #637 b.d.
So if we get that hurricane hitting republican territory in the next few days, what effect will the government shutdown have on any response, emergency aide, etc.?
Triple witching and then some. Obama would probably make FEMA and related responses essential - authorize actions to help those affected, and then run smack dab into the debt ceiling. If that happened during storm response, who knows. GOP is that off-the-rails that they could create a crisis like none the world has seen. All because they refuse to accept that the ACA is law - and working.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:46:48am |
re: #604 chadu
Mine
1: Abraham Lincoln
2: FDR/TR (Tie)
3: Truman
4: Washington
5: Kennedy
6: Eisenhower
7: Madison
8: Monroe
9: Obama
10: LBJ
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Skip Intro Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:46:52am |
re: #531 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Dow is down 167 pts at the moment.
If the terrorists go through with their plan to default on the debt we’ll be looking back on days like today as the good times. These bastards really do want to destroy the country to remake it in their image.
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:48:11am |
From RedState, the teahadi view:redstate.com
“Democrats keep talking about our refusal to compromise. They don’t realize our compromise is defunding Obamacare. We actually want to repeal it.”
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:48:21am |
re: #641 Carlos Danger
lol at the teabaggers saying he needs to “grow a spine”. There’s a difference between having a spine and being ossified.
They’re idiots. I am glad that Dent and his staff seem to realize that it’s furtile at this point to expect the president to defund ACA. Now if only he realized that ACA itself isn’t that bad but progress I tell myself progress.
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kirkspencer Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:48:28am |
re: #645 ProTARDISLiberal
Mine
1: Abraham Lincoln
2: FDR/TR (Tie)
3: Truman
4: Washington
5: Kennedy
6: Eisenhower
7: Madison
8: Monroe
9: Obama
10: LBJ
Why is Kennedy on your list? Not telling you it’s wrong - subjective rankings are subjective rankings. But since I put him significantly lower I’m curious why you put him there?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:49:04am |
re: #645 ProTARDISLiberal
Mine
1: Abraham Lincoln
2: FDR/TR (Tie)
3: Truman
4: Washington
5: Kennedy
6: Eisenhower
7: Madison
8: Monroe
9: Obama
10: LBJ
Monroe stands out here since I don’t know too much about his accomplishments other than the Monroe Doctrine.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:50:06am |
re: #647 EPR-radar
From RedState, the teahadi view:redstate.com
“Democrats keep talking about our refusal to compromise. They don’t realize our compromise is defunding Obamacare. We actually want to repeal it.”
What part of “Defunding Obamacare won’t change anything” do these morons not understand?
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:50:20am |
re: #647 EPR-radar
From RedState, the teahadi view:redstate.com
“Democrats keep talking about our refusal to compromise. They don’t realize our compromise is defunding Obamacare. We actually want to repeal it.”
Erick, Son of Erick, economic terrorist.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:51:03am |
Okay top 5
1.Lincoln
2.)Washington
3.) FDR
4.) Truman
5.) TR
I also while I would have disagreed with his actions admire that Polk was able to set out to do what he wanted to do. I also liekwise have a grudging admiration for Jackson since American representative democracy before him was much more oligarchical. I like LBJ too inspite of Vietnam.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:52:13am |
Is Ted Cruz asshole of the day for saying the shutdown HE INSTIGATED might leave the us open to terrorist attacks? http://t.co/dZTpvf0xpF— Some Asshole (@assholeofday) October 3, 2013
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:52:32am |
re: #650 HappyWarrior
Monroe stands out here since I don’t know too much about his accomplishments other than the Monroe Doctrine.
Where’s Trudeau?
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:53:23am |
Gov. of KY is being interviewed about ACA, after giving a speech. He’s gotten off some zingers.
Beshear says folks who say ACA rollout will be a trainwreck “are on the wrong train.”— Sam Youngman (@samyoungman) October 3, 2013
“As for the naysayers, I'm personally offended by their partisan gamesmanship.” Beshear
— Sam Youngman (@samyoungman) October 3, 2013
“I can't wait to compete with some of these states that aren't doing this.” Beshear
— Sam Youngman (@samyoungman) October 3, 2013
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:53:53am |
“These folks up here act like a bunch of 9-year olds in a foodfight in a cafeteria,” Beshear on DC— Sam Youngman (@samyoungman) October 3, 2013
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:54:05am |
re: #649 kirkspencer
The big one is that the world didn’t end at the Cuban Missile Crisis.
I like being here in 2013.
Also, the Peace Corp, the continuation of movement on Civil Rights, growth economically, the NPT, and proposing the overhaul of a racist immigration system.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:54:48am |
re: #655 b_sharp
Where’s Trudeau?
Come on b, you know this a Merikan list :). But I always have heard good thigns about Trudeau from your countrymen that I’ve met over the years. And with that, I’ll declare myself an Attlee fan in the UK. We all appreciate Churchill in WWII and understandably so but Attlee is the better PM.
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erik_t Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:55:12am |
This isn’t even quit-while-you’re-ahead.
This is quit-while-you’re-less-behind.
Derp.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:56:04am |
re: #656 wrenchwench
Gov. of KY is being interviewed about ACA, after giving a speech. He’s gotten off some zingers.
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I hope he considers running against Rand Paul for senator. He’s no doubt qualified for the job and I think this is his second term so Kentuckians seem to like the gov. If I am the DSCC, I’m asking him to be the man to take down Rand Paul and I think he can be that man.
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chadu Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:57:00am |
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:57:17am |
re: #659 HappyWarrior
Come on b, you know this a Merikan list :). But I always have heard good thigns about Trudeau from your countrymen that I’ve met over the years. And with that, I’ll declare myself an Attlee fan in the UK. We all appreciate Churchill in WWII and understandably so but Attlee is the better PM.
I know, but I had to sneak him in.
He wasn’t the slightest afraid to piss off the conservatives in the west.
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piratedan Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:57:26am |
re: #650 HappyWarrior
I’d have put Polk on that list instead of Kennedy, but this is a ymmv kind of question/list
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 9:59:22am |
re: #663 b_sharp
I know, but I had to sneak him in.
He wasn’t the slightest afraid to piss off the conservatives in the west.
Ha, true enough. I’d love to learn more about Canadian political history.
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:00:10am |
Some House Democrats Back Repealing Medical Device Tax - WSJ
Appearing with a group of so-called pragmatic Republicans, a group of lawmakers from the New Democrat coalition said Thursday they would support repealing the health-care law’s 2.3% tax on medical device sales if GOP lawmakers would agree to pass a spending bill keeping the government funded for the next six months.
For fuck’s sake people. Six months.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:00:14am |
re: #657 wrenchwench
.@samyoungman Sen. Blutarsky, I mean Sen. Cruz, is that you?— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 3, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:00:34am |
I don’t remember who was PM of Canada during the “Argo” affair. Was it Trudeau or Joe Clark?
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:00:45am |
re: #653 HappyWarrior
I give Polk credit for being very effective, though Mexico was really dumb in giving him the opportunity to attack. They crossed the Rio Grande. That gave Polk ammo.
Jackson, I have respect for in a Military regard.
However, his impulsive policies caused the US grief economically. He, however, was very pro-Union and anti-Nullification, which I do respect him for.
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blueraven Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:01:12am |
re: #632 Lidane
The fact that this is news is mind-blowing. The GOP are insane:
Breaking News: Boehner Tells Republicans He Won’t Let the Nation Default http://t.co/eqDfdEsmLj
— The New York Times (@nytimes) October 3, 2013
The lawmaker, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Mr. Boehner had said he would be willing to violate the so-called Hastert Rule if necessary to pass a debt-limit increase. The informal rule refers to a policy of not bringing to the floor any measure that does not have a majority of Republican votes.
Other Republicans also said Thursday that they got the sense that Mr. Boehner would do whatever was necessary to ensure that the country did not default on its debt.
That is all well and fine, but if they add some poison pill in there to appease the tea party, it will not pass.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:01:40am |
re: #664 piratedan
I’d have put Polk on that list instead of Kennedy, but this is a ymmv kind of question/list
Yeah, as much as I love Kennedy- I think I am contractually obligated in the laws of American Irish Catholichood to do so, I just can’t put him in my top-5 or even. I do think if he had a full term, he easily could have been able to do so but a lot of the things that LBJ later accomplished with Congress, I think Kennedy would have struggled with. I don’t think any president was more brilliant than dealing with Congress than LBJ was.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:02:34am |
re: #666 Carlos Danger
Some House Democrats Back Repealing Medical Device Tax - WSJ
For fuck’s sake people. Six months.
Hope they’re not expecting a reach around while getting screwed.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:03:35am |
re: #669 ProTARDISLiberal
I give Polk credit for being very effective, though Mexico was really dumb in giving him the opportunity to attack. They crossed the Rio Grande. That gave Polk ammo.
Jackson, I have respect for in a Military regard.
However, his impulsive policies caused the US grief economically. He, however, was very pro-Union and anti-Nullification, which I do respect him for.
You know Jackson’s line right? “I only have two regrets in life, that I didn’t shoot Henry Clay or hang John C. Calhoun.” I have a lot of issues with Jackson. The terrible treatment of the Native Americans for one, hostility towards internal improvements, and his shodown with the Bank was short-sighted. However, he was pro-union and placed that above regionalism which is more than you can say about Calhoun.
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:03:53am |
re: #672 Targetpractice
Reid just shut it down. But it’s amazing how some people set themselves up to be a pinata every six months. PASS IT LATER if it’s so important.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:04:32am |
re: #673 HappyWarrior
That’s why I can’t decide to love or hate him.
I just think of him as our insane president.
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:04:38am |
re: #673 HappyWarrior
Jackson was also the first president to break up a strike using military force, IIRC.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:04:46am |
Cats catching squirts of milk during milking at a dairy farm in California, 1954 pic.twitter.com/k3TQsKFRKY— Historical Pictures (@HistoricalPics) October 3, 2013
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Gus Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:05:19am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:06:14am |
Maybe this is the Glenn Greenwald Wikileaks sockpuppet?
Wikileaks still follows only two twitter accounts, one of which is Glenn Greenwald (the other is a press feed)— joshuafoust (@joshuafoust) October 3, 2013
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:06:46am |
re: #676 Carlos Danger
Jackson was also the first president to break up a strike using military force, IIRC.
Not sure. I don’t really know much about organized labor’s history before the civil war.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:07:41am |
re: #675 ProTARDISLiberal
That’s why I can’t decide to love or hate him.
I just think of him as our insane president.
It’s always tough. I found myself very conflicted writing an essay about Jackson. I likewise felt a similar conflict in the same class when it came to Hamilton.
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:08:51am |
Schumer:
“The hard right says ‘see, by holding a gun to their heads, we got something what we wanted. We’ll up the ante this time. So it’s not the specific proposal - the device tax doesn’t seem like that much of Obamacare - it’s the method: we’re going to threaten and shut the government down until you agree with us,”
“You can’t call for that legislative blackmail or it will get worse and worse and worse.”
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:08:55am |
re: #668 Vicious Babushka
I don’t remember who was PM of Canada during the “Argo” affair. Was it Trudeau or Joe Clark?
Clark.
Although we called him ‘Joe Who?’
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:09:04am |
“I think it's gonna start to boomerang on these folks that are out there yelling and screaming right now.” Beshear— Sam Youngman (@samyoungman) October 3, 2013
“We're gonna sign that guy up, and then we'll tell him.” Beshear on man who said he hates Obamacare but loves ACA.
— Sam Youngman (@samyoungman) October 3, 2013
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kirkspencer Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:09:57am |
re: #658 ProTARDISLiberal
The big one is that the world didn’t end at the Cuban Missile Crisis.
I like being here in 2013.
Also, the Peace Corp, the continuation of movement on Civil Rights, growth economically, the NPT, and proposing the overhaul of a racist immigration system.
Just as some of the reasons I don’t place him high:
Successfully resolving a crisis is good, but having set up the crisis in the first place reduces the rank. There’s decent reason to believe that part of why Russia was putting missiles in Cuba was the combination of the Bay of Pigs and the placement of our missiles in Turkey despite USSR objections. I also downcheck for entering Vietnam. Not real impressed with his continuation of civil rights - looking at the data makes me think that if he hadn’t been assassinated we’d not have seen the civil rights act till much later if at all. I’ll grant the peace corps, but the NPT was 1968. (Yes, he supported it, but he didn’t move the bar on it.)
But thanks for answering. I’d forgotten the peace corps and that’s a pretty good thing.
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:12:41am |
re: #670 blueraven
The lawmaker, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Mr. Boehner had said he would be willing to violate the so-called Hastert Rule if necessary to pass a debt-limit increase. The informal rule refers to a policy of not bringing to the floor any measure that does not have a majority of Republican votes.
Other Republicans also said Thursday that they got the sense that Mr. Boehner would do whatever was necessary to ensure that the country did not default on its debt.
That is all well and fine, but if they add some poison pill in there to appease the tea party, it will not pass.
Shouldn’t he know it is not his call, it is the law of the land.
14th Amendment section 4
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:14:36am |
re: #685 wrenchwench
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I really seriously think he should run against Rand Paul in 2016. I don’t know much about Beshear and I know he’s probably considerably more conservative than your average Dem but he seems like he’d still be a vast improvement over Rand Paul. The guy actually stands for something rather than an abstraction of opposition. And I didn’t realize he was a Kimmel fan. Apparently Jimmy went around asking people what they thought of ACA and Obamacare as if they were two totally different things and got predictably different answers.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:14:52am |
Well, well, well. If there was any doubt about the R’s not only wanting to shut down the Government, but also crash the economy, lets add this to evidence that says otherwise.
GOP puts new price on debt hike
Rank-and-file members want Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) to return to the so-called “Boehner Rule,” which they say means any debt limit hike must be matched by an equal amount of spending cuts.
Boehner’s promise not to let the Country default doesn’t count for jack
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chadu Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:16:10am |
re: #675 ProTARDISLiberal
That’s why I can’t decide to love or hate him.
I just think of him as our insane president.
I think TR was pretty nuts, too.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:16:44am |
re: #686 kirkspencer
And the Peace Corp. is having an effect. Morocco isn’t likely to fall to radicals.
Was just in Morocco. Asked people why they didn't have revolution. 2 answers: we like our King and we don't want to be like Tunisia or Egypt
— Hala Gorani (@HalaGorani) October 3, 2013
This is a good thing. This can give us a foothold of legitimacy in the Muslim World, and can give the King, as a descendant of Muhammad (PBUH), a bit of power to be in opposition to Saudi and their custodianship of the Two Holy Cities of Mecca and Medina.
This is why I also support Jordan, as Abdullah over there is one as well. This is also why I want Jerusalem split, as I would like the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa under Jordanian control. Jordan is a different nation than it was 45 years ago.
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:16:51am |
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:18:15am |
re: #693 Carlos Danger
All these bros you see today talking about how tough they are, with their mancaves n’ stuff would be laughed at by TR.
Cause TR was a man. And, I think, a good one too.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:18:29am |
Steve King accuses Obama of ‘largest political tantrum ever’ during shutdown
Rep. Steve King (R-IA) on Thursday likened President Barack Obama to a child having the “largest political tantrum ever” because he would not kill his signature health care reform law to stop the government from being shut down.
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piratedan Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:18:44am |
re: #691 chadu
agreed, I think that the entire Campbellian genre of science fiction was based on his example ( a pet theory of mine )
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:19:14am |
ANN YOU FREAKING DUMBASS.
These campgrounds are on FEDERAL LAND.
Obama: SHUT THEM DOWN - These private campgrounds actually PAY RENT to the treasury. http://t.co/4dI5Tcl2zH— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) October 3, 2013
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:19:30am |
re: #695 Kragar
Steve King accuses Obama of ‘largest political tantrum ever’ during shutdown
IMAX just called. They want some of that projection that King is selling.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:20:10am |
Shorter Cantor memo: If we continue to describe our extortion as an invitation to compromise, eventually we'll win over public— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) October 3, 2013
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:20:32am |
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Kragar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:21:02am |
The GOP wants to make sure Americans can visit statues.
They just want to make sure the people who maintain the statues and make sure the visitors are safe don’t get paid, can’t feed their families and can’t get healthcare.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:21:11am |
Tea Party extremists caused this #BoehnerShutdown. Tell @SpeakerBoehner to end it now: http://t.co/hLq6qOd2lM pic.twitter.com/WW4soKEibu— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) October 3, 2013
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Kragar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:21:53am |
re: #700 Lidane
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“If we keep this up long enough, Stockholm syndrome will set in.”
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:22:16am |
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:22:32am |
re: #700 Lidane
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Compromise over the credit and security of the United States.
Since when was this open to compromise?
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Kragar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:24:09am |
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:24:19am |
re: #707 Carlos Danger
Compromise over the credit and security of the United States.
Since when was this open to compromise?
Since 2008.
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:24:36am |
#Shutdown question: Are black helicopter pilots, FEMA death camp guards, CHEMTRAIL makers and MIBs also furloughed? Asking for a friend.— John Schindler (@20committee) October 3, 2013
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:24:36am |
But… you know this is a SLIMDOWN and it’s ALL OBAMA’S FAULT. The horrible HORRIBLE SLIMDOWN. Just the SLIMDOWN we NEEDED.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:25:01am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:25:30am |
WTFITS
Obama accuses Republicans of putting guns to people's heads. His supporters now calling for the deaths of Republicans. Remember “new tone?”— Rep. Steve Stockman (@SteveWorks4You) October 3, 2013
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:26:21am |
From Fox News, no less: http://t.co/HRiLwH36xM— Seth MacFarlane (@SethMacFarlane) October 3, 2013
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Kragar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:26:49am |
GOP Rep blames Park Ranger for park shutdown
Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-TX) got into a heated exchange with a National Parks Service Ranger at the World War II Memorial over the closure of the park because of the government shutdown.
Neugebauer, one of a number of Republicans who have tried to use the closed memorial to bash the Obama administration and Democrats on the shutdown, confronted the ranger while surrounded by a crowd of onlookers.
Neugebauer asked the Ranger how she could turn World War II veterans away.
“How do you look at them and…deny them access?” the congressman asked.
“It’s difficult,” she responded.
“Well, it should be difficult,” Neugebauer snapped.
“It is difficult,” the Ranger said. “I’m sorry sir.”
“The Park Service should be ashamed of themselves,” Neugebauer said.
“I’m not ashamed,” the Ranger said.
Members of the crowd then chimed in. One person shouted “This woman is doing her job, just like me.”
“I’m a 30-year federal veteran — I’m out of work,” the man continued.
“Well, the reason you are is because [Senate Majority Leader Harry] Reid decided to shutdown the government,” Neugebauer said.
“No, it’s because the government won’t do its job and pass a budget,” the man responded.
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Internet Tough Guy Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:30:36am |
re: #716 Kragar
Yes, bullying park rangers is sure going to make the GOP look good….among the junior high school cool kids.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:31:05am |
Whew, just caught it.
“Separate Ways” tried to sneak into my song rotation again.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:34:47am |
Top WH officials don't see concessions on debt limit as an option, period, full stop. Here's why: http://t.co/b7RGQFlQcX— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) October 3, 2013
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Kragar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:38:16am |
Why bother negotiating with the GOP?
There is literally zero evidence that they have any intention to abide by any agreements they make.
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Carlos Danger Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:40:54am |
re: #716 Kragar
Why, you’d think they’re more interested in grandstanding than actual legislation! /////
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Kragar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:41:39am |
House Republican Admits To Donors: GOP Had To Shut Down The Government To Please The Tea Party
Though he repeatedly joined with all of his Republican colleagues to force the government shutdown, in a candid moment last month Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR) complained that the Tea Party’s influence forced them to do it.
Walden, who chairs the National Republican Congressional Committee (the House GOP’s campaign arm), reportedly told a group of top Republican donors that the Tea Party’s organizational strength meant that Republicans had to shutdown the government and obstruct a debt-ceiling increase.
“Listen,” Walden told them, “We have to do this because of the Tea Party. If we don’t, these guys are going to get primaried and they are going to lose their primary.” Noting that he often hears complaints from the pro-business wing of the party, he noted none of them get involved at the local level. “The Tea Party gets involved at the local level,” he added.
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:42:42am |
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piratedan Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:43:44am |
re: #720 Kragar
Why bother negotiating with the GOP?
There is literally zero evidence that they have any intention to abide by any agreements they make.
because… after all, this is the event that they KNEW was coming after they wrested those Dem concessions as they played the Sequester card and yet somehow, it STILL isn’t enough. Time to cut these fuckers off at the knees, politically.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:44:04am |
Its almost funny. The years of GOP electoral tricks have turned on them and tied them to the rabid pit bull of the Tea Party. It would be hilarious if they weren’t bringing down the rest of the country with them.
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:45:10am |
re: #722 Kragar
House Republican Admits To Donors: GOP Had To Shut Down The Government To Please The Tea Party
Then his office walked it back as fast as they could.
The NRCC disputed Walden’s quote, prompting Freedlander to add a note in the body of his piece. NRCC spokeswoman Andrea Bozek told TPM that Walden never mentioned the tea party during his remarks.
Everybody is scared to death of these punkass anarchists.
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dog philosopher Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:45:22am |
re: #719 Lidane
Top WH officials don’t see concessions on debt limit as an option, period, full stop
imho the outcome of this should be that the house republicans realize that they will have to eat the whole thing
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Kragar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:45:47am |
The moderate GOP position: “We’re a bunch of pussies who are afraid of the Tea Party.”
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erik_t Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:46:13am |
re: #722 Kragar
House Republican Admits To Donors: GOP Had To Shut Down The Government To Please The Tea Party
For all intents and purposes, the Republican Party is a rump supercaucus attached to the Tea Party Party. It is a voting bloc in the style of European parliamentary coalitions, but it is the Tea Party Party around which the coalition is formed, and by which all real decisions are made.
The Republican Party is emphatically not functioning like a political party in the traditional American sense. In a very real sense, it’s a Party, Jim, but not as we know it.
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Mattand Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:46:58am |
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Dr. Matt Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:48:11am |
re: #639 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Dow down 172.
POTUS predicted this and teahadists had a meltdown because he had the audacity to be concerned about our markets.
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:48:28am |
The Dems really seem to be having a lot of fun with the nutjobs…
“I want to apologize for anything I may have said that disrespected Marlin Stutzman,” Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL) told reporters at a leadership press availability.
Similar apologies were offered by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), who then called on Stutzman to stop disrespecting Americans harmed by the shutdown and agree to reopen the government.
Murray offered a “group hug” if it would help console the congressman.
Group hug. LOL.
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klys Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:48:54am |
re: #726 makeitstop
Then his office walked it back as fast as they could.
Everybody is scared to death of these punkass anarchists.
But OWS is more dangerous, don’t you know.
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:50:20am |
re: #733 klys
But OWS is more dangerous, don’t you know.
/////
I don’t want to Beetlejuice the thread, but someone hasn’t been around these parts of late. Not that I’m complaining or anything.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:50:23am |
McConnell, Rand Paul Caught On Hot Mic Talking Shutdown Strategy
President Barack Obama met with congressional leaders Wednesday night to discuss opening the federal government and raising the debt ceiling, but the meeting brought the two sides no closer to ending the budget impasse.
In the video recording, Paul was confident that the GOP’s pivot from demanding Obamacare be defunded to seeking out compromise would succeed.
“I think if we keep saying ‘We wanted to defund it. We fought for that but now we’re willing to compromise on this,’ I think they can’t — we’re gonna, I think — well I know we don’t want to be here, but we’re gonna win this I think,” he said.
YOU GET NOTHING! GOOD DAY!
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AlexRogan Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:51:01am |
re: #722 Kragar
House Republican Admits To Donors: GOP Had To Shut Down The Government To Please The Tea Party
This shows that the shutdown and debt ceiling fights were the GOP’s plans all along, that they weren’t acting in good faith in dealing with the President and the Democrats. If they are willing to plan this in advance and not negotiate in good faith, what good are their promises and affirmations now?
Answer: I wouldn’t trust the House GOPers as far as I could throw them.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:54:21am |
re: #719 Lidane
While I have had disagreements with Obama over some of his policy preferences, I don’t think the man lacks resolve and a sense of the office. I hope he stands firm.
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dog philosopher Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:55:02am |
the thing that is really damaging to the gop here is no so much that its image has been taken over by nutcases, but that the remaining regular republicans like boehner are totally unable to stand up to them
if there was really civil war in the gop the party might have a chance to survive. as it is, boehner is now proving that the the whole thing has done gone down the drain
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Eclectic Cyborg Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:56:26am |
re: #695 Kragar
Is this the same Steve King who was being identified as a moderate in news stories yesterday or was that Peter King. I can never tell those two royal assholes apart.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:56:53am |
re: #710 wrenchwench
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Next MiB sequel - what happens when our two heroes are furloughed? Gohmert turns out to be an alien out to destroy the MiB!
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Eclectic Cyborg Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:57:47am |
re: #726 makeitstop
Then his office walked it back as fast as they could.
Everybody is scared to death of these punkass anarchists.
Or…
It was a JOKE!
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piratedan Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:57:51am |
re: #736 AlexRogan
This shows that the shutdown and debt ceiling fights were the GOP’s plans all along, that they weren’t acting in good faith in dealing with the President and the Democrats. If they are willing to plan this in advance and not negotiate in good faith, what good are their promises and affirmations now?
Answer: I wouldn’t trust the House GOPers as far as I could throw them.
pretty much reduces any doubt that these guys are there to actually govern the nation, they see their jobs as solely to fuck over the President and if the country gets hurt because of it, so be it. They’re totally willing to deal with that fallout (or so they think) because of the cover that the MSM provides for them.
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EmmaAnne Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:58:18am |
re: #716 Kragar
That complete asshole. The park ranger is doing her job - without pay! - and he tells her she should be ashamed. How about the guy getting paid for not doing his job? That’d be you Representative Neugebauer.
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makeitstop Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:59:53am |
re: #740 Eclectic Cyborg
Is this the same Steve King who was being identified as a moderate in news stories yesterday or was that Peter King. I can never tell those two royal assholes apart.
That was New York’s Peter King (R-IRA).
But that’s purely an optical illusion - he only looks moderate because everyone else in the room is acting like Miley at the VMAs.
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piratedan Thu, Oct 3, 2013 11:01:39am |
h/t to Higgs Boson’s Mate over at Balloon Juice who remembered this little beauty from Monty Python:
Monty Python already said it for me:
‘WE WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE WAY IN WHICH POLITICIANS ARE REPRESENTED IN THIS PROGRAMME. IT WAS NEVER OUR INTENTION TO IMPLY THAT POLITICIANS ARE WEAK-KNEED, POLITICAL TIME-SERVERS WHO ARE CONCERNED MORE WITH THEIR PERSONAL VENDETTAS AND PRIVATE POWER STRUGGLES THAN THE PROBLEMS OF GOVERNMENT, NOR TO SUGGEST AT ANY POINT THAT THEY SACRIFICE THEIR CREDIBILITY BY DENYING FREE DEBATE ON VITAL MATTERS IN THE MISTAKEN IMPRESSION THAT PARTY UNITY COMES BEFORE THE WELL-BEING OF THE PEOPLE THEY SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENT NOR TO IMPLY AT ANY STAGE THAT THEY ARE SQUABBLING LITTLE TOADIES WITHOUT AN OUNCE OF CONCERN FOR THE VITAL SOCIAL PROBLEMS OF TODAY. NOR INDEED DO WE INTEND THAT VIEWERS SHOULD CONSIDER THEM AS CRABBY ULCEROUS LITTLE SELF-SEEKING VERMIN WITH FURRY LEGS AND AN EXCESSIVE ADDICTION TO ALCOHOL AND CERTAIN EXPLICIT SEXUAL PRACTICES WHICH SOME PEOPLE MIGHT FIND OFFENSIVE. WE ARE SORRY IF THIS IMPRESSION HAS COME ACROSS.”
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 3, 2013 11:03:02am |
re: #720 Kragar
The GOP is acting as Darth Vader here, but projecting that it is indeed Obama who is Darth:
I have altered the deal, pray I don’t alter it further.
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Ian G. Thu, Oct 3, 2013 11:03:57am |
Good afternoon, Lizards. It’s funny to walk around where I work in Lower Manhattan and see the Statue of Liberty and Federal Hall shuttered because of a pack of demented Jacobins in Congress who of course fancy themselves lovers of America and defenders of Liberty and the Constitution.
They, of course, hate all 3.
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 3, 2013 11:04:30am |
re: #723 makeitstop
And he picks a female guard to harangue. What a manly Republican man.
///
Sounds as though she held her own. He mistakenly thought he could harangue her.
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chadu Thu, Oct 3, 2013 11:06:57am |
re: #696 piratedan
agreed, I think that the entire Campbellian genre of science fiction was based on his example ( a pet theory of mine )
Also, EE “Doc” Smith was pretty much a Renaissance man himself.
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BeenHereAwhile Thu, Oct 3, 2013 11:30:11am |
re: #189 Dr Lizardo
re: #185 freetoken
The moniker “Party of God” has a nicer, neater ring to it in Arabic:
Hezbollah.
So the Tea Party is a covert Shi’a political movement.
Now that’s creeping Sharia.
Who’da guessed.
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BeenHereAwhile Thu, Oct 3, 2013 11:57:19am |
re: #224 Decatur Deb
(Aakkk Posted this at the bottom of the dead thread—too good to waste.)
Morning, all.
Here’s a long rip from a Gawker commenter that gets all classic-y about the DC hostage situation:
Cherith CutestoryLacey Donohue
11Remember when you had to read The Illiad in school? And there is this huge amount of time where Achilles just sits in his tent allowing, even literally praying (to his mommy) for, his comrades to be slaughtered because his pride has been hurt? And then he goes on a killing rampage because his lover/friend/whatever you want is murdered because of it rather than reflecting and blaming himself. But at the end he has the absolutely beautiful moment of shared empathy, loss and compassion with the father of Hector? He and his enemy just taking a moment to eat, cry and mourn their shared loss and he realizes how foolish and destructive his pride has been. And he goes back to the fight but it is with honor and not foaming rage and not pouting in his tent.
This will never get to that last part. That was composed around 8th century BC in a society that didn’t even have writing yet. We are barbarians. Yesterday 11:34pm
Spy Mode
Small quibble, no Greek alphabet in the 8th century BCE?
IIRC, that’s about the time the Greeks were moving from Linear B to classical Greek.
Freetoken would probably have a better idea of the timeline
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Oct 3, 2013 1:48:16pm |
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BeenHereAwhile Thu, Oct 3, 2013 1:49:24pm |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
re: #251 Bulworth
“ICYMI: GOP discovers hero Cruz has no “end game” for this shutdown thing.”
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Ted Cruz really should have taken the time to learn how the Senate works. On that point I think the Senate really lost something important when it lost Robert Byrd. Even Tea Party aligned freshman senators showed up for his last talk on the history and functioning of the Senate. Someone like Ted Cruz represents a “vertical invasion of the barbarians”, and unless civilized and socialized someone like that is going to do real harm.
/Ted Cruz as feral teenager.
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
