1 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:58:41am

video not available

2 theliel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:59:28am

I’m getting ‘starts shortly’
2pm EST (6pm UTC)

Also Too,
Give ‘em Hell Barry

3 erik_t  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:59:33am

Today I learned that hitting refresh over and over on a url like http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/maintenance.php tells me very little about whether or not I can get to http://littlegreenfootballs.com.

Derp: it’s not just for Michelle Bachmann anymore!

4 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:01:24am

“Dear GOP, I admit, I really am the Antichrist and I’ll see to it you all burn in hellfire unless you pass the CR and debt limit. BOOGA BOOGA!”
//

They’re dumb enough to take it seriously and they might just pass something.

5 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:01:47am

re: #3 erik_t

Today I learned that hitting refresh over and over on a url like http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/maintenance.php tells me very little about whether or not I can get to http://littlegreenfootballs.com.

Derp: it’s not just for Michelle Bachmann anymore!

Speaking of Michelle Bachmann…

6 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:03:35am

re: #2 theliel

I’m getting ‘starts shortly’
2pm EST (6pm UTC)

Also Too,
Give ‘em Hell Barry

i always start shortly

7 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:03:40am

Dear Mr. President:

You are the only thing standing between my goal of a comfortable middle-class existence and sending my not-yet-born children to college and the bug-eyed lunatics like Michele Bachmann who are anxiously awaiting the destruction of the world and the 2nd coming of Christ, like some lunatic death cult (which they are). I voted for you twice, gave you money when you were still a longshot against Hillary, and I did this because I saw a calm temperament and steel nerve that would guide us through crises as well as anyone. Please do not fail me.

8 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:03:46am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of Michelle Bachmann…

I’d honestly rather have Miley in Congress than Bachmann. And I’m 110% serious here. At least Miley doesn’t believe POTUS is supporting Al Queda and this crazy end times bullshit.

9 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:03:54am

Tea party leader: GOP passed ‘clean defund Obamcare’ and ‘clean delay Obamacare’ bills

While speaking with MSNBC’s Chris Jansing on Tuesday, Kremer made it clear that Republicans had a different definition of “clean.”

“President Obama keeps saying bring a CR — bring a clean CR to the floor let them vote on it,” Kremer said. “Well, my question is, why doesn’t [Senate Majority Leader] Harry Reid bring the clean defund Obamacare [bill] to the floor and let the Senate vote on it? Why doesn’t he bring the clean delay Obamacare bill to the floor and let them vote on that?”

“I mean, it goes both ways,” she added. “They’re both responsible.”

10 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:04:14am

Just had commented downthread I noticed the talkin’ heads primpin’ in front of the cameras.

Or was it pimpin’?

Sounds like there might be some dealing starting to break in the background. Let’s hope.

11 darthstar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:04:47am

IF THE GOVERNMENT IS SHUT DOWN, WHY IS HE STILL ALLOWED TO WORK?

Good to see your maintenance window is closed, Charles. Dealt with site outage at work this morning, so I can feel your pain.

12 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:05:12am

re: #9 Kragar

Tea party leader: GOP passed ‘clean defund Obamcare’ and ‘clean delay Obamacare’ bills

I give up with these fuckmongrels. I give up. It’s either defund Obamacare or nothing with these fools. They seriously think they have this mandate to get rid of Obamacare.

13 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:05:41am

Obama Negotiating Position No Deal On Debt Limit Unless Public Option Added To ACA

chides republicans for refusing to negotiate further socializing of health care

14 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:06:02am

re: #9 Kragar

Tea party leader: GOP passed ‘clean defund Obamcare’ and ‘clean delay Obamacare’ bills

Both of those ideas are DOA in the Senate and White House. They’re also not based in reality.

The ACA has already gone into effect. Taking it away or “delaying” it now would be pointless, since people are already signing up on the exchanges. And you can’t defund something that is mandatory spending. Morons.

15 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:06:28am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

I give up with these fuckmongrels. I give up. It’s either defund Obamacare or nothing with these fools. They seriously think they have this mandate to get rid of Obamacare.

the rhetorical monkeyshines are getting paleopithecine

16 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:07:21am

re: #9 Kragar

Tea party leader: GOP passed ‘clean defund Obamcare’ and ‘clean delay Obamacare’ bills

Head. Desk. Repeat.

IT WAS DEFEATED, you moron. THE SENATE DID VOTE ON IT. THE AMENDMENT TO STRIP THE DEFUND/DELAY PASSED. YOU LOST.

I mean, fuck. THIS IS NOT A BOTH SIDES THING. I know they’d like it to be because - gasp - they’re getting blamed for it and they need to share the blame, but…

17 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:08:26am

I take Justin Bieber more seriously than I do the GOP at this point. At least I can excuse Bieber by saying he’s only 19. These guys are supposedly grown adults. Act fucking like it. You’re going to disagree with Obama and I’m practical enough to understand that but you don’t get fuck over the country because health care reform is now law.

18 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:08:27am

re: #14 Lidane

Both of those ideas are DOA in the Senate and White House. They’re also not based in reality.

The ACA has already gone into effect. Taking it away or “delaying” it now would be pointless, since people are already signing up on the exchanges. And you can’t defund something that is mandatory spending. Morons.

In her, and I use this term loosely, “mind”, since the House GOP passed the bill, the Senate and WH are obligated to pass the bills, because Free-dumb. “You wanted the government funded and we did that, except for what you asked for. Why are you being difficult?”

19 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:08:35am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

I give up with these fuckmongrels. I give up. It’s either defund Obamacare or nothing with these fools. They seriously think they have this mandate to get rid of Obamacare.

They don’t have the mandate, but they do have the ability. And since their goal is destruction of the federal government they see no reason why they shouldn’t use that power.

Once again I am struck by how similar they are to the Bolsheviks they claim to hate.

20 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:09:30am

re: #19 Romantic Heretic

They don’t have the mandate, but they do have the ability. And since their goal is destruction of the federal government they see no reason why they shouldn’t use that power.

Once again I am struck by how similar they are to the Bolsheviks they claim to hate.

It’s a good analogy. Bolsheviks claimed to represent “the people” despite being a minority. I hope this doesn’t end the way that one did though.

21 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:09:51am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

I give up with these fuckmongrels. I give up. It’s either defund Obamacare or nothing with these fools. They seriously think they have this mandate to get rid of Obamacare.

They do. They just fail to realize that hey, mandates don’t really matter when you’re not the party in power.

22 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:09:55am

News flash sweetie: if you want the country to default on its debt YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRORIST. I don’t care if your feelings are hurt.

23 Carlos Danger  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:10:29am

Hey, it’s Chuck Todd Happy Hour again

24 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:10:39am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

They do. They just fail to realize that hey, mandates don’t really matter when you’re not the party in power.

I wouldn’t say they have a mandate at all. The president was re-elected and they got few votes for the Senate and House then they did in the last election.

25 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:11:36am

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

News flash sweetie: if you want the country to default on its debt YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRORIST. I don’t care if your feelings are hurt.

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And yet she probably thinks nothing when POTUS is likened to Hitler. Fucking wingnuts. They want to name call till fucking hell come wild but don’t call them anything, you big meanies.

26 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:11:43am

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

News flash sweetie: if you want the country to default on its debt YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRORIST. I don’t care if your feelings are hurt.

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Probably a big fan of the Confederacy.

27 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:12:15am

DERP

28 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:12:31am
29 darthstar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:13:22am
30 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:13:24am

re: #28 Lidane

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Defund it, because seven trillion people didn’t access the site or make calls. It’s clearly a failure.//

31 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:13:55am
32 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:14:00am

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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33 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:14:12am

re: #28 Lidane

But I think we all know that no one at all is getting coverage

34 theliel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:14:22am

Some mood music while you wait Postmodern Jukebox

35 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:14:25am

re: #29 darthstar

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They missed the entrance of The Binder, right behind them.

36 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:14:54am
37 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:15:06am

re: #9 Kragar

Tea party leader: GOP passed ‘clean defund Obamcare’ and ‘clean delay Obamacare’ bills

“Well, my question is, why doesn’t [Senate Majority Leader] Harry Reid bring the clean defund Obamacare [bill] to the floor and let the Senate vote on it? Why doesn’t he bring the clean delay Obamacare bill to the floor and let them vote on that?”

Reid did, the full Senate voted down Cruz’s amendment. That was a clean vote on that issue. What she’s referring to as the “clean” bill is the one that holds the budget hostage. She’s either cynically lying or intellectually incapable of comprehending what constitutes a clean bill.

38 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:15:10am

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

News flash sweetie: if you want the country to default on its debt YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRORIST. I don’t care if your feelings are hurt.

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The economic destruction of the USA is one of the oft-stated - and explicit - goals of Al Qaeda.

39 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:15:54am
40 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:16:53am

And here’s Obama!

41 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:17:32am

re: #14 Lidane

It’s been a 3-pronged attack, defund, delay, and destroy. And they can’t do any of it legally, so they’re attempting to do it by extortion.

If you don’t concede to their demands, they’ll burn the economy to the ground, but the TP/GOP turns all this on its head by claiming it’s Obama who’s unreasonable and making unconscionable demands by insisting on a budget and debt ceiling increase on spending that Congress already approved.

But considering how many people are economic illiterates and can barely manage their own personal finances, is it any surprise that there’s so many people who think that we can refuse to increase the debt ceiling.

That will not make the problem go away. That actually is the problem. We have this mechanism in place that the GOP is now using to throw global markets into a tizzy because they may actually go and let the nation default on its debt. It would crater our credit, increase borrowing costs, and hasten world governments and investors to consider alternative safe havens for their investments. That’s the last thing to do if you claim to be for businesses and the middle class (and everyone else).

42 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:18:47am

What foreign markets have the Koch brothers invested in that would let them cash in on a U.S. debt default?

43 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:18:57am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I wouldn’t say they have a mandate at all. The president was re-elected and they got few votes for the Senate and House then they did in the last election.

Correct, but by mandate I meant that the majority of voters who voted GOP did so on the expectation that the party would do whatever it could to stop Obamacare. It’s not a “clean” mandate (there’s that word again), but to the RWNJs it’s a mandate of sorts.

44 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:19:03am

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

Obviously President Romney should do whatever the teaparty wants and defund Ocare. //

45 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:19:18am
46 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:19:26am

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

Correct, but by mandate I meant that the majority of voters who voted GOP did so on the expectation that the party would do whatever it could to stop Obamacare. It’s not a “clean” mandate (there’s that word again), but to the RWNJs it’s a mandate of sorts.

Ah true enough.

47 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:19:27am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

It’s a good analogy. Bolsheviks claimed to represent “the people” despite being a minority. I hope this doesn’t end the way that one did though.

Also like the Bolsheviks they are motivated, to a large part, by an economic system. The badly mis-named capitalism.

What’s really ironic is they agree with the Bolsheviks on how capitalism works. The only difference is the Bolsheviks thought this was a bad thing and the teahadis think it is a good thing.

48 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:20:08am

Week-old baby has a twitter account.


Her father is an AP reporter.

49 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:20:11am

re: #47 Romantic Heretic

Also like the Bolsheviks they are motivated, to a large part, by an economic system. The badly mis-named capitalism.

What’s really ironic is they agree with the Bolsheviks on how capitalism works. The only difference is the Bolsheviks thought this was a bad thing and the teahadis think it is a good thing.

That is an interesting irony.

50 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:20:33am

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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Actually no it’s not dumbass. Private insurance companies are still in charge of your healthcare.

51 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:21:06am

re: #48 wrenchwench

Week-old baby has a twitter account.

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Her father is an AP reporter.

Come on! That baby’s not really typing those tweets!

52 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:21:20am
53 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:21:42am

He’s being quite reasonable at this presser.

I’d be going all Samuel L. Jackson on the GOP. I suppose that’s why I’ll never be President, LOL.

54 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:22:02am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Come on! That baby’s not really typing those tweets!

We grow ‘em smart and precocious here in NM.

55 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:22:20am

WTF

56 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:22:32am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Come on! That baby’s not really typing those tweets!

Dictation.

Remember that?

57 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:23:47am

“Mostly true.”

58 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:23:49am

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

She needs to shut up.

59 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:23:49am

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

WTF

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They’d never notice otherwise.

60 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:24:21am

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

WTF

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Yeah and shutting down the government was just swell.

61 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:24:22am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

He’s being quite reasonable at this presser.

I’d be going all Samuel L. Jackson on the GOP. I suppose that’s why I’ll never be President, LOL.

He’s sounding reasonable, so of course we’ll hear the wingnuts screaming that he’s being dictatorial and the public won’t respond well to his hysterics.

62 AntonSirius  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:24:51am

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

News flash sweetie: if you want the country to default on its debt YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRORIST. I don’t care if your feelings are hurt.

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It’s called “being patronized”, Beth. You’re getting offended for all the wrong reasons.

63 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:24:51am

Oh come on…the Republicans don’t mind debt increases if they should come due to defaulting and paying higher interests. There is a point to be made about cutting deficits.

Party before Country.

Hell, Party before Everything.

64 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:25:14am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

He’s being quite reasonable at this presser.

I’d be going all Samuel L. Jackson on the GOP. I suppose that’s why I’ll never be President, LOL.

They’re lucky that he’s very cool and collected because I not only would be openly furious but show it and Boehner may not like the words I’d have for him and the stunt he and his pals pulled.

65 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:25:56am

I just can’t even.

66 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:26:05am

I liked his use of the “more polite” terms to describe the default.

67 Sionainn  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:26:18am

re: #61 Targetpractice

He’s sounding reasonable, so of course we’ll hear the wingnuts screaming that he’s being dictatorial and the public won’t respond well to his hysterics.

Yes, that and the “angry black man.”

68 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:26:28am

re: #61 Targetpractice

He’s sounding reasonable, so of course we’ll hear the wingnuts screaming that he’s being dictatorial and the public won’t respond well to his hysterics.

Heh.

I’d be using words and phrases like “fatuous imbeciles” “cretins” “economic illiterates and cranks” “vacuous dunderheads” “loons” “conspiracy theorists” “mentally unhinged” etc., etc.

69 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:27:13am

Colbert on shutdown: Republicans already compromised on ‘having Mitt Romney be president’

Colbert showed a series of video clips of Republican lawmakers blaming President Barack Obama for the shutdown, saying they were more than willing to negotiate.

Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Rand Paul (R-KY) each were quoted as saying they’d backed off their initial demands to repeal or defund the Affordable Care Act, but were instead willing to simply delay the law for a year or so.

Colbert said those positions were more than reasonable.

“Every one of those offers is a compromise from the Republicans’ original offer: having Mitt Romney be president,” Colbert said. “But — surprise, surprise — Obama wouldn’t negotiate on that, either.”

70 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:27:20am

re: #67 Sionainn

Yes, that and the “angry black man.”

Fortunately he’s calm, so he is being described by wingnuts as “lifeless” instead.

71 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:27:33am

THESE PEOPLE ARE SO FUCKING STUPID.

72 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:27:45am

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

I just can’t even.

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Does Stockman do anything other than tweet all day? Jesus Christ on a stick. And Steve,your party are the thugs here. You’re the ones who can’t handle a law being well law so you shut down the government so spare me the CHicago politics whining you right wing pig fucker.

73 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:27:45am

“fair shake” ha. the embrace of communism more like it

74 Sionainn  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:27:54am

re: #70 calochortus

Fortunately he’s calm, so he is being described by wingnuts as “lifeless”.

That’s a new one.

75 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:28:09am

ANOTHER FREAKING MORAN

76 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:28:13am

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

Popular delusions.

Speaker John Boehner rallied his troops this morning at a closed-door conference meeting at the Capitol. Democrats are trying to “annihilate us,” he told his members.
politicususa.com

77 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:28:14am

re: #68 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I’d be using words and phrases like “fatuous imbeciles” “cretins” “economic illiterates and cranks” “vacuous dunderheads” “loons” “conspiracy theorists” “mentally unhinged” etc., etc.

Bring out the canons.

Nattering Naybobs of Negativity. BOOM!

78 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:28:43am

re: #77 ObserverArt

Bring out the canons.

Nattering Naybobs of Negativity. BOOM!

LOLOL

79 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:28:54am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

ANOTHER FREAKING MORAN

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Gah. Obama just did explain it-and in simple terms too.

80 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:28:57am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Does Stockman do anything other than tweet all day? Jesus Christ on a stick. And Steve,your party are the thugs here. You’re the ones who can’t handle a law being well law so you shut down the government so spare me the CHicago politics whining you right wing pig fucker.

It’s not Stockman, it’s some unpaid intern who is “Tweeting for social media chops” in hope of finding a paying jrrb when this crisis is over.

81 kirkspencer  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:29:17am

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

News flash sweetie: if you want the country to default on its debt YOU ARE A FUCKING TERRORIST. I don’t care if your feelings are hurt.

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Being fair it’s not terrorism. It’s rebellion. Specifically it’s subversion.

These people should pause to take a good look at US law. 18 USC chapter 115, Treason, Sedition, and Subversive Activities. In particular the section on Seditious Conspiracy (18 USC § 2384).

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

And lest the elected representatives think they’re immune from arrest due to the constitution, Section 6 of Article 1 says:

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

82 Carlos Danger  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:29:22am

re: #68 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I’d be using words and phrases like “fatuous imbeciles” “cretins” “economic illiterates and cranks” “vacuous dunderheads” “loons” “conspiracy theorists” “mentally unhinged” etc., etc.

Give it another week.

83 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:29:28am

re: #76 jaunte

Popular delusions.

Yep, he’s fallen to pleading “party unity,” that anything but totally subservience to the Tea Party line is support for Obama.

84 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:29:29am

I do like the president smacking at Bachmann and company for shoving Boehner around as they are doing.

85 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:29:51am

Uh oh…don’t say anything about missing going overseas….aaayyyeeee….they are so going to bend that into more Fox-o-tics.

86 erik_t  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:29:55am

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

I do like the president smacking at Bachmann and company for forcing Boehner around as they are doing.

“Forcing”.

87 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:29:59am

Incoming.

88 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:30:07am

re: #68 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I’d be using words and phrases like “fatuous imbeciles” “cretins” “economic illiterates and cranks” “vacuous dunderheads” “loons” “conspiracy theorists” “mentally unhinged” etc., etc.

I’d be calling Boehner a spineless piece of shit whom is beholden to a fringe minority of freaks who think dressing in colonial garb makes them the heirs of the founding fathers. Kind of exagerrating, my temper’s not that bad but if I were Obama meeting with Boehner, it would be difficult for me to reframe from calling Boehner for the cowardly wimp he is. I’m pissed, so sue me and I know it wouldn’t be presidential at all but I’m not disputing Obama’s approach here.

89 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:30:25am

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Incoming what?

90 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:31:00am
91 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:31:19am

WTFITS

92 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:31:23am

re: #86 erik_t

“Forcing”.

Yeah. He chose to be their tool. Fuck him. He’s worse then they are. I hate to use a cliche but with great power, well you know the rest. Too bad Boehner was busy in the tanning salon when he could have been reading.

93 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:31:42am

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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Fuck stick.

94 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:31:54am

re: #86 erik_t

“Forcing”.

I should have said ‘shoving’. Post changed, thanks.

95 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:32:34am
96 Sionainn  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:33:45am

I wonder if Francis is watching this. LOL.

97 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:33:52am

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

WTF

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The hell? The DJIA is down about .75% today, and hasn’t fallen off of a cliff since the President started speaking.

Also, all of Wall St. seems to be on the President’s side here. The only clowns denying the damage a default would cause also expect Jesus to return tomorrow and deny global warming.

98 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:34:17am

re: #96 Sionainn

Epistemic closure helmet: ON.

99 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:34:39am

I mean it must be real fucking nice to be a Congressional Republican. Shut down the government, check, keep pay during a shutdown that your partisan insanity cuased, check, claim Obama is personally responsible for people being denied entrance to memorials, check, oh and having a douchebag senator in your party hold up back pay for federal employees, check mate. I hate these guys. I know it’s a strong word but I hate them and everything they stand for. I want them politically ruined by this. I want the Tea Party and GOP name brand to be as popular as herpes.

100 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:34:43am

Steve Stockman keeps Tweeting his ransom demands all throughout the President’s speech, mainly “We want a line item veto over which sutdown government programs get turned back on, even if it takes the next 60 years.”

101 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:35:13am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

And then work out in the Congressional gym that Speaker Boehner made sure was treated as essential.

102 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:35:16am

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

Steve Stockman keeps Tweeting his ransom demands all throughout the President’s speech, mainly “We want a line item veto over which sutdown government programs get turned back on, even if it takes the next 60 years.”

Wasn’t the line item veto shot down by SCOTUS when Clinton was in office?

103 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:36:03am
104 AntonSirius  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:36:03am

re: #88 HappyWarrior

I’d be calling Boehner a spineless piece of shit whom is beholden to a fringe minority of freaks who think dressing in colonial garb makes them the heirs of the founding fathers. Kind of exagerrating, my temper’s not that bad but if I were Obama meeting with Boehner, it would be difficult for me to reframe from calling Boehner for the cowardly wimp he is. I’m pissed, so sue me and I know it wouldn’t be presidential at all but I’m not disputing Obama’s approach here.

I know you can’t really push to get these things started - they have to happen organically - but I’d really like to see this be the response every time Boehner’s account tweets some BS:

105 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:36:04am

re: #101 lawhawk

And then work out in the Congressional gym that Speaker Boehner made sure was treated as essential.

Yep, Boehner needs his abs but who cares about children going hungry. Johnny B’s got to impress Mrs. B so she doesn’t see him for the puny little man he is.

106 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:36:52am


Let’s also remember that the Treasury can’t prioritize debt; it’s not set up that way. It’s all FIFO. As debt obligations come due, they’re paid in the order received. The Treasury isn’t set up to handle payments any other way, and it would be damaging to the process to boot.

107 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:36:57am

re: #102 Lidane

Wasn’t the line item veto shot down by SCOTUS when Clinton was in office?

It was, but getting rejected by SCOTUS won’t stop a DERP Steamroller like Stockman.

108 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:37:54am

re: #96 Sionainn

I wonder if Francis is watching this. LOL.

Fingers on fire. Printer banging out letters. Calling the local TV station now.

109 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:37:55am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

It was, but getting rejected by SCOTUS won’t stop a DERP Steamroller like Stockman.

It doesn’t stop them one iota. They cherry-pick which SCOTUS rulings they wish to adhere to.

110 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:00am
111 RadicalModerate  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:09am

re: #102 Lidane

Wasn’t the line item veto shot down by SCOTUS when Clinton was in office?

Yes.

Clinton v City of New York, 1998

112 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:18am

re: #34 theliel

Some mood music while you wait Postmodern Jukebox

Love that band! :)

113 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:29am

re: #102 Lidane

Wasn’t the line item veto shot down by SCOTUS when Clinton was in office?

Yeah, but Stockman will tell you they were all Obama appointees, and Fox and Friends will make that a segment tomorrow.

114 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:31am

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

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115 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:36am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

I mean it must be real fucking nice to be a Congressional Republican. Shut down the government, check, keep pay during a shutdown that your partisan insanity cuased, check, claim Obama is personally responsible for people being denied entrance to memorials, check, oh and having a douchebag senator in your party hold up back pay for federal employees, check mate. I hate these guys. I know it’s a strong word but I hate them and everything they stand for. I want them politically ruined by this. I want the Tea Party and GOP name brand to be as popular as herpes.

Collect my paycheck, check.

116 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:56am

I like that so far there haven’t been questions from the big networks.

117 Sionainn  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:38:57am

re: #108 ObserverArt

Fingers on fire. Printer banging out letters. Calling the local TV station now.

Stockman’s tweets make me think of Francis, if he had been elected to office.

118 AntonSirius  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:39:12am

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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119 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:39:35am

re: #111 RadicalModerate

Yes.

Clinton v City of New York, 1998

Stockman will tell you that the POTUS is not allowed to line-item, but House members can.

120 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:39:35am

re: #115 BongCrodny

Collect my paycheck, check.

Heh covered in “keep pay during a shutdown that your partisan insanity caused.” It’s annoying.

121 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:40:33am

re: #118 AntonSirius

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122 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:40:49am
123 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:41:17am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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Seven Brides for Seven Brothers?

124 erik_t  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:41:22am

re: #106 lawhawk

@ThePlumLineGS
To repeat: Only one side is demanding unilateral concessions in exchange for doing what both agree must happen to avert econ chaos.

The avoidance of a default of the government of the United States of America is, at this point, a de facto demand for a unilateral concession by the Democrats.

This should leave any rational person shaking their head, but it is the truth.

125 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:42:05am
126 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:42:31am

re: #124 erik_t

The avoidance of a default of the government of the United States of America is, at this point, a de facto demand for a unilateral concession by the Democrats.

This should leave any rational person shaking their head, but it is the truth.

This exactly.

The Republican party is holding everyone hostage because a few economic terrorists in the Tea Party wing want to burn the country down.

127 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:42:42am

No Country for Old Haters asks a good question. In regard to this Pages Post.

128 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:42:51am

I see there’s a new potential candidate for VP in 2016.

Image: Longshot.jpg

129 darthstar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:43:08am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Come on! That baby’s not really typing those tweets!

Burp-to-text recognition is great on Android devices.

130 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:43:21am

Bryan Fischer performs a stunning feat of Cognitive Dissonance when he declares that OBAMA WANTS TO DEFAULT ON THE DEBT SO THAT HE CAN DESTROY AMERICA!!!1!!1!!! and then says GO AHEAD AND DEFAULT ON THE DEBT IT AIN’T NO BIG THANG

131 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:43:27am

Ooh. That’s interesting. He just said that the US is going to pay its bills.

Methinks he’s got a contingency plan if the Republicans continue threatening to shoot the hostage.

132 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:43:37am

How is it today?

Was LGF down again.

Sadly, the idea of it throws me into a tizzy. The Government being closed—not so much.

133 darthstar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:43:58am

re: #128 Skip Intro

I see there’s a new potential candidate for VP in 2016.

Image: Longshot.jpg

Some of the longest shots in film history.

134 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:44:20am

re: #128 Skip Intro

I see there’s a new potential candidate for VP in 2016.

Image: Longshot.jpg

If he’s running against the GOP, he’s got my vote.

135 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:44:29am
136 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:44:44am

Thinking defaulting is no big deal is ‘not in touch with reality.’

What an understatement.

137 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:44:45am

re: #128 Skip Intro

I see there’s a new potential candidate for VP in 2016.

Image: Longshot.jpg

Fuck, he’d probably be better than Palin or Ryan right?

138 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:45:08am

re: #136 makeitstop

Thinking defaulting is no big deal is ‘not in touch with reality.’

What an understatement.

But it’s all just the media fear-mongering.

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139 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:45:25am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

Bryan Fischer performs a stunning feat of Cognitive Dissonance when he declares that OBAMA WANTS TO DEFAULT ON THE DEBT SO THAT HE CAN DESTROY AMERICA!!!1!!1!!! and then says GO AHEAD AND DEFAULT ON THE DEBT IT AIN’T NO BIG THANG

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More projection than an IMAX. Again.

140 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:45:28am

re: #128 Skip Intro

I see there’s a new potential candidate for VP in 2016.

Image: Longshot.jpg

LOLOL

141 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:45:44am

re: #132 FemNaziBitch

How is it today?

Was LGF down again.

Sadly, the idea of it throws me into a tizzy. The Government being closed—not so much.

It went haywire for a bit. I think it is the main processors. They can’t handle all this Republican bullshit.

It does not compute.

142 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:46:00am

re: #131 Lidane

Of course. The Debt ceiling is unconstitutional.

143 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:46:08am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

Bryan Fischer performs a stunning feat of Cognitive Dissonance when he declares that OBAMA WANTS TO DEFAULT ON THE DEBT SO THAT HE CAN DESTROY AMERICA!!!1!!1!!! and then says GO AHEAD AND DEFAULT ON THE DEBT IT AIN’T NO BIG THANG

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I still think that clarifying the wording to normal from political rhetoric would help things.

Think if that read “Obama wants a credit limit meltdown … “

Everyone knows what a credit limit is —“debt ceiling” sounds like mystical only for the anointed scary mumbo jumbo.

144 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:46:26am

MOAR DERP

145 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:46:49am

He just addressed the 14th amendment issue right on, and I think his read is accurate.

Which is to say, we’re fucked.

146 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:46:57am

So the sane and knowledgeable heads on the Hill know that this is not going to come down to a default, just as the sane and knowledgeable heads knew that Romney was going to lose, but the press needs a story to sell…

147 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:47:20am

OBAMA WANTS TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING IN ORDER TO SPEND MOAR AND MOAR1!!!111!!!!!!

148 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:47:23am

re: #145 klys

He just addressed the 14th amendment issue right on, and I think his read is accurate.

Which is to say, we’re fucked.

I just woke-up. Are we talking States Rights?

149 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:47:24am

I’m starting to think it may be a good time to learn how to teach English abroad.

150 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:47:25am

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

And why are we listening to an upper-class twit who got into legal trouble across the pond?

151 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:47:54am

re: #147 Vicious Babushka

OBAMA WANTS TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING IN ORDER TO SPEND MOAR AND MOAR1!!!111!!!!!!

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How do you “buy” a credit card?

152 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:47:55am

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

If @BarackObama spent as much time talking to @johnboehner as he is right now talking to the media, this shutdown could end today.

Just not paying attention, is he?

153 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:48:19am

re: #145 klys

He just addressed the 14th amendment issue right on, and I think his read is accurate.

Which is to say, we’re fucked.

I can’t believe we’ve gotten to the point where we’re facing default for no goddamn reason.

The Republican party is entirely to blame for this. They’ve given in to the economic terrorists in the Tea Party, so all the consequences are on their heads.

154 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:48:33am

re: #148 FemNaziBitch

I just woke-up. Are we talking States Rights?

No, invoking the “full faith and credit” of the US.

155 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:49:13am

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

How do you “buy” a credit card?

Prepaid?

156 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:49:29am

Hope the GOP is proud of the monster they’ve created. I hope they’re really fucking happy. Because this for the reasons Lidane said better than I can is on them.

157 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:50:20am
158 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:50:34am

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

159 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:50:47am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Hope the GOP is proud of the monster they’ve created. I hope they’re really fucking happy. Because this for the reasons Lidane said better than I can is on them.

The GOP had a chance to distance themselves from these people when they started talking utter fucking ideological bullshit but missed the opportunity and now they cannot and will not be silenced.

160 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:50:50am

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

I should have said ‘shoving’. Post changed, thanks.

Forced, shoved, whatever. The bottom line is that Boehner own his own refusal to bring the clean CR tot he floor. He also owns his own hostage taking language on the debt ceiling. There’s no point in blaming anybody else.

Your party’s elected leadership is basically non-existent, and most damning of all the so called moderates in your party are doing nothing at all about it. This is the GOP showing itself to be nothing more than a gang of useless lemmings under the command of an insane, compromised and inebriated Speaker. Only the lemmings are going to take the entire country over the cliff with them.

161 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:51:08am
162 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:51:09am

I’ve said this before and I’ve said it again: I hope Obama unilaterally raises the debt ceiling and dares Congress to impeach him. The loons will oblige, the whole farce will go down even worse for the GOP than it did with Bill Clinton, and in 2014, we’ll have a Democratic majority in the House.

I hope Bill Clinton has had Obama’s phone ringing off the hook to suggest this play, and I hope Obama is a sly enough politician to go with it.

163 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:51:36am
164 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:51:40am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Hope the GOP is proud of the monster they’ve created. I hope they’re really fucking happy. Because this for the reasons Lidane said better than I can is on them.

Why would they care? They are still getting paid, and their gym is open.

165 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:52:03am

GERRYMANDERED DISTRICTS!

WHAMMY!

166 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:52:21am

And he just pointed out the issues due to gerrymandering. On fire.

167 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:52:23am
168 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:52:49am
169 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:52:56am

Yes! He brought up the pressure of gerrymandered districts. Good.

If it were me, I would’ve gone a step further and said, “Everyone knows the only reason the GOP has a majority in the House is because of their gerrymandering of legislative districts.”

170 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:53:13am

The president’s point about gerrymandering was well made, but it does stick in the craw more than a little, seeing as how heavily the Democrats gerrymandered his (and my own) home state of Illinois.

171 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:53:25am
172 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:53:46am

re: #153 Lidane

I can’t believe we’ve gotten to the point where we’re facing default for no goddamn reason.

The Republican party is entirely to blame for this. They’ve given in to the economic terrorists in the Tea Party, so all the consequences are on their heads.

You know that really stupid technique for getting your crediters to renegotiate your debt with them? You sign-up with some company, make your payments to them instead of your crediter. They hold the funds in escrow and after a few months then use their legal expertise to cower the crediter into forgiving interest or whatever.

It’s a useful tool when things get out of hand if you use a really, really good negotiator. Otherwise, you can get into a lot of trouble (neighbor lost their house). I have seen it work well tho.

Anyway —that seems to be what they Whackos in Congress thing they are doing. But who the hell are they negotiating with?

173 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:53:46am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

I’m starting to think it may be a good time to learn how to teach English abroad.

So instead of getting the Blade Runner dystopic future with the flying cars and cool clothes, we are getting the Road Warrior dystopic future with motorcycle gangs, and Lord Humongous…

174 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:53:49am
175 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:54:10am

Fascinating financial insight from FR:

To: EBH
Bond default is a red herring. We will not default on our debt so long as tax revenues keep coming in. Until we reach the point of Greece where they are no longer sufficient to service our debt. Which WILL happen eventually if we stay on this path.

The only way we default now is if Obama CHOOSES to default.
He is capable of that surely. But I suspect he will abuse the Full Faith and Credit clause to make himself the hero and accrue more power for the Executive Branch.

349 posted on Tue Oct 8 11:50:22 2013 by Buckeye McFrog

176 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:54:10am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

The president’s point about gerrymandering was well made, but it does stick in the craw more than a little, seeing as how heavily the Democrats gerrymandered his (and my own) home state of Illinois.

And the Republicans wouldn’t do the same in your state if they controlled the legislature? I’m sorry DF but that’s small potatoes to the shit your party pulls on a national stage and you know as well as I do would have pulled in your state if they could.

177 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:54:20am

re: #154 klys

No, invoking the “full faith and credit” of the US.

Ah!

Lanister’s always pay their debts? LOL

They are treading on some interesting monetary history here. IIRC, England and other countries use their actual land to back their currency, we use the American People. Lot’s of tangents for discussion in that.

178 Flounder  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:54:29am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

In NY, republicans gerrymander to LOSE seats.

179 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:55:09am

re: #173 celticdragon

So instead of getting the Blade Runner dystopic future with the flying cars and cool clothes, we are getting the Road Warrior dystopic future with motorcycle gangs, and Lord Humongous…

But who gets to wear the metal hockey mask and be announced as “The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla!”

180 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:55:12am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

And the Republicans wouldn’t do the same in your state if they controlled the legislature? I’m sorry DF but that’s small potatoes to the shit your party pulls on a national stage and you know as well as I do would have pulled in your state if they could.

Gerrymandering is wrong no matter who does it and I’ve made clear I oppose it regardless of who does it.

181 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:55:21am
182 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:55:23am

*HEADDESK*

183 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:55:47am

Sweet, sweet wingnut tears:

184 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:56:09am

re: #182 Vicious Babushka

*HEADDESK*

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WTFITS????

185 celticdragon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:56:22am

re: #179 Dr Lizardo

But who gets to wear the metal hockey mask and be announced as “The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla!”

Ted Cruz…who else?

186 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:56:31am

re: #155 calochortus

Prepaid?

With our children’s future earnings …

187 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:56:31am

re: #182 Vicious Babushka

They say he’s the smart one.

188 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:56:35am

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

Gerrymandering is wrong no matter who does it and I’ve made clear I oppose it regardless of who does it.

Fair enough man. I don’t like it either. I dislike attempts to make electoral votes based on how candidates do in certain districts even more though.

189 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:57:04am

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

Gerrymandering is wrong no matter who does it and I’ve made clear I oppose it regardless of who does it.

Germans dampen the gerrymandering effect by only electing half their representatives directly…the other half are divided proportionally based on what share of the votes their party gets in the overall election.

but that would be too f*cking complicated to explain to an electorate that has no clue how their government works, or why it is not currently able to do its job.

190 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:57:11am

re: #185 celticdragon

Ted Cruz…who else?

I don’t know…..he’s not as ripped as Kjell Nilsson.

191 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:57:37am

re: #164 GlutenFreeJesus

Why would they care? They are still getting paid, and their gym is open.

Is their staff getting paid? Security guards at the Capital Building? Janitors?
Bathroom cleaning staff?

192 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:57:53am

Hello, this is Peggy! We can raise your debt ceiling!

193 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:58:10am

re: #191 FemNaziBitch

Is their staff getting paid? Security guards at the Capital Building? Janitors?
Bathroom cleaning staff?

Capitol Police aren’t getting paid as far as I know.

194 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:58:23am

POTUS continues to be the adult in the room. This is awesome.

195 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:58:26am

re: #191 FemNaziBitch

Is their staff getting paid? Security guards at the Capital Building? Janitors?
Bathroom cleaning staff?

We cannot expect congressmen to attend the same sort of gyms that normal people use, and much less so at their own expense…

196 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:59:26am

re: #173 celticdragon

So instead of getting the Blade Runner dystopic future with the flying cars and cool clothes, we are getting the Road Warrior dystopic future with motorcycle gangs, and Lord Humongous…

I think the No Flying Cars future has been decided against.

197 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:59:30am

re: #183 Lidane

Sweet, sweet wingnut tears:

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Yeah we get it TP, only you understand the constitutional blah blah. You don’t want to be called extremist? Stop doing extremist things and spare me the whining about name calling when many of you have likened the president to a dictator. Fucking pricks.

198 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:00:12pm

The amount of DERP and STUPIDITY that is being tweeted over LNYHBT at this time is enough to choke a gorilla.

199 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:00:15pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

Gerrymandering is wrong no matter who does it and I’ve made clear I oppose it regardless of who does it.

This is the part where political partys are all the same. They all want to win votes.

200 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:01:13pm

re: #189 Sol Berdinowitz

Germans dampen the gerrymandering effect by only electing half their representatives directly…the other half are divided proportionally based on what share of the votes their party gets in the overall election.

but that would be too f*cking complicated to explain to an electorate that has no clue how their government works, or why it is not currently able to do its job.

It would also require a constitutional amendment here.

201 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:01:21pm

re: #183 Lidane

Since when is threatening the economy with a default constitutional? /

202 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:01:23pm

re: #183 Lidane

Right. Only Libtards are “extremists”. ////

203 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:01:50pm

‘We plan for every contingency.’

He’s got a plan if the nutjobs go over the cliff.

204 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:01:58pm

re: #182 Vicious Babushka

205 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:02:07pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

It would also require a constitutional amendment here.

quite clear, and not likely to happen…gerrymandering is stock in trade for state-level politicians.

206 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:02:10pm

re: #198 Vicious Babushka

The amount of DERP and STUPIDITY that is being tweeted over LNYHBT at this time is enough to choke a gorilla.

Worst. Hashtag. Ever.

207 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:02:22pm

The Great anti-science Senator James Inholfe just had major heart surgery using evil government health benefits. Just last week the Senator had a virtual colonoscopy, again paid for by the evil, death panel filled government.

Why the Senator didn’t just make himself right in the eyes of God instead of relying on pagan, government medicine is a mystery.

208 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:02:31pm

re: #201 lawhawk

Since when is threatening the economy with a default constitutional? /

Since January 2009.

209 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:02:41pm
210 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:02:42pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

I’m starting to think it may be a good time to learn how to teach English abroad.

Won’t matter. A default would send shockwaves through the world economy. Maybe North Korea would avoid being hurt, simply by being so isolated from the rest of the planet.

So as much as teaching English in Chile sounds like a cool way to wait out the Tea Party Hurricane, I’m guessing the Chilean economy would tank once the price of minerals like copper craters.

211 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:03:08pm
212 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:03:29pm

re: #191 FemNaziBitch

Is their staff getting paid? Security guards at the Capital Building? Janitors?
Bathroom cleaning staff?

Those are “little people”.

213 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:04:05pm

Is this a reputable website?

214 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:04:08pm
215 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:04:14pm

re: #210 Ian G.

Won’t matter. A default would send shockwaves through the world economy. Maybe North Korea would avoid being hurt, simply by being so isolated from the rest of the planet.

So as much as teaching English in Chile sounds like a cool way to wait out the Tea Party Hurricane, I’m guessing the Chilean economy would tank once the price of minerals like copper craters.

Yeah, I didn’t think so. It sucks. Got my degree and even have a job lined up with DOI but the shutdown’s put that in jeopardy. Sometimes you just wish you could escape the madness but as you point out, these decisions have global consequences- makes it all the more maddening to me.

216 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:04:29pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Worst. Hashtag. Ever.

Agreed, but these are the people driving the current political discussion in this country. The Tea Party Republicans - and the threat of primary from the right - are (to put it mildly and intentionally) the elephants in the room.

There needs to be a huge amount of pushback from the “sane” Republicans to counteract this and there isn’t. As long as there’s a sense of “this is my party and I have to go along even if I don’t agree,” we’re not going to see the change and this is the situation we have now.

217 theliel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:04:38pm

re: #214 Lidane

If you’ve lost Tweety…

218 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:05:12pm

re: #210 Ian G.

Won’t matter. A default would send shockwaves through the world economy. Maybe North Korea would avoid being hurt, simply by being so isolated from the rest of the planet.

So as much as teaching English in Chile sounds like a cool way to wait out the Tea Party Hurricane, I’m guessing the Chilean economy would tank once the price of minerals like copper craters.

A default would indeed send shockwaves, but some areas would be less affected than others.

Interestingly, it could even have an effect on Czech elections here at the end of this month.

219 GOPHostage#25698724  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:05:12pm

re: #153 Lidane

We have a solution to avoid the default. It’s called the constitution. The debts of the US Shall Not Be Questioned.

220 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:05:28pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

The president’s point about gerrymandering was well made, but it does stick in the craw more than a little, seeing as how heavily the Democrats gerrymandered his (and my own) home state of Illinois.

And a few states over Ohio has always been heavily Republican. Now more than ever. One of Boehners problems that no one really addresses. I am sure he has a Tea Party in southern Ohio barking as much as McConnell has in Kentucky.

I do not think the man said it had to be made to favor democrats. All the rest is political game playing and magic fairy dust.

I’ve always felt districts should be set up based on population density factored in with voter rolls with maybe an oversight committee with both party membership that tweaks districts to be as balanced as computer and humanly possible. Make ‘em fair and everyone has to shut up.

221 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:05:59pm
222 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:07:01pm

re: #219 GOPHostage#25698724

We have a solution to avoid the default. It’s called the constitution. The debts of the US Shall Not Be Questioned.

The president did address that and he’s right: Any unilateral solution he could undertake would involve the US paying a much higher interest rate on our bonds, owing to the risk his solution might be ruled unconstitutional.

BBL

223 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:07:10pm

re: #219 GOPHostage#25698724

We have a solution to avoid the default. It’s called the constitution. The debts of the US Shall Not Be Questioned.

POTUS addressed that earlier. IIRC his point was that invoking the 14th Amendment would have the unintended consequence of all future debts being in legal question as long as his invocation of the 14th Amendment is being litigated in the courts.

224 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:07:17pm

re: #218 Dr Lizardo

A default would indeed send shockwaves, but some areas would be less affected than others.

Interestingly, it could even have an effect on Czech elections here at the end of this month.

Supply-side shit. Oh and your part of the world would be on my places I wouldn’t mind teaching. Good beer, good food, beautiful women, and fairly inexpensive. Not a bad life for a single 26 year old heh. I’m trying to get back into Western Europe next year though.

225 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:08:05pm
226 steve_davis  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:08:35pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

It’s a good analogy. Bolsheviks claimed to represent “the people” despite being a minority. I hope this doesn’t end the way that one did though.

If it does, I’m going to be one of the White Army fighting a guerilla war against these jackwagons out in the field. Wreck my family with a currency default and I’ll happily burn my way through Teabagistan.

227 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:09:19pm

re: #225 jaunte

The Republicans keep pushing defund/delay/destroy Obamacare.

Doesn’t matter how much he repeats himself, there are a bunch of goddamn morons in the GOP who just won’t listen.

228 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:09:24pm

re: #192 Vicious Babushka

Hello, this is Peggy! We can raise your debt ceiling!

I hate to think what the reward points might bring us.

229 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:09:25pm


John Lewis knows a thing or two about getting arrested.

230 darthstar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:09:25pm
231 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:09:44pm

He’s just hammering the GOP. Pointing out how much damage they’re doing with this childish temper tantrum Tea Party approach.

232 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:10:23pm

re: #219 GOPHostage#25698724

We have a solution to avoid the default. It’s called the constitution. The debts of the US Shall Not Be Questioned.

Doesn’t say they need to be paid. Strict construction.
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233 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:10:37pm

I forgot about the phrase. The Fiscal Cliff …LOL

234 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:10:53pm

Who just asked the stupid question?

235 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:11:01pm

For those interested in possible solutions….
Five bipartisan fixes for US debt crisis

236 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:11:01pm
237 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:11:22pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

But if the 14th amendment solution would result in the interest-rate blowback described above, what other solution does he have to avoid default? (operating on assumption that boehner will bend over for the tea party freaks)

238 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:11:24pm

re: #236 Lidane

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Ouch.

239 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:11:35pm
240 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:11:57pm

Man, the network guys must be spitting mad right now. He’s taking questions from every news org but them.

I like the way he’s doing it, though - not making a big show of cutting off access like Bush’s guys used to, just ignoring them.

241 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:12:28pm

re: #219 GOPHostage#25698724

We have a solution to avoid the default. It’s called the constitution. The debts of the US Shall Not Be Questioned.

Like others said, he addressed the 14th amendment solution, and pointed out that since there is legal controversy and it would certainly be litigated, there would be questions surrounding the Treasury bills sold that way.

A very valid point that I hadn’t seen mentioned in the discussions about it so far.

242 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:12:47pm

re: #212 GlutenFreeJesus

Those are “little people”.

How long will the Congress Critters last with dirty stinking bathrooms—overflowing toilets? Dark hallways, unlit because the electric bill is not being paid?

243 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:12:48pm
244 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:12:50pm

The GOP is finding out what it’s like to get spanked by the President of the United States.

245 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:13:19pm

re: #243 Lidane

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He’s right and I hate Reagan.

246 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:13:24pm

re: #242 FemNaziBitch

They haven’t figured out how to wash their gym towels yet.

247 darthstar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:13:27pm
248 GOPHostage#25698724  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:13:36pm

If the 14th is invoked, I am so far unconvinced interest would spike. Am I wrong? Or if interest does go up, hey just pass a budget. More incentive.

249 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:13:50pm

re: #221 wrenchwench

Meanwhile, marching towards Capitol Hill….

Yes, I saw that the other day.

There was a National Day of (I can’t remember —respect and integrity?)

250 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:14:03pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

It would also require a constitutional amendment here.

The blowback from a default would be ferocious. An amendment fundamentally altering the structure of Congress might not be off the table.

251 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:14:03pm

Oh here is a fucktard.

252 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:14:32pm

re: #227 Lidane

The Republicans keep pushing defund/delay/destroy Obamacare.

Doesn’t matter how much he repeats himself, there are a bunch of goddamn morons in the GOP who just won’t listen.

They are on a Mission From G-d.

253 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:15:14pm

re: #248 GOPHostage#25698724

If the 14th is invoked, I am so far unconvinced interest would spike. Am I wrong? Or if interest does go up, hey just pass a budget. More incentive.

So you’re cool with buying a house when you’re unsure if the seller actually has the legal right to the title?

That’s the analogy he used.

254 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:15:48pm
255 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:16:10pm

President editing out “you dumbass” on the fly.

256 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:16:12pm

re: #253 klys

So you’re cool with buying a house when you’re unsure if the seller actually has the legal right to the title?

That’s the analogy he used.

Then how can he avoid default, given the 99% possibility of GOP fucknuttery continuing unabated? (I’m at work, can’t watch live video)

257 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:16:13pm

re: #251 ProTARDISLiberal

Oh here is a fucktard.

We don’t use that word here. (the last 4 letters not the first 4)

258 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:16:45pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

For those interested in possible solutions….
Five bipartisan fixes for US debt crisis

Did you read those? Seriously, I’m curious.

A lot of them are perfectly reasonable. Like the one that involves raising taxes. Or the one that involves one of the things the ACA does, which is change payments to hospitals away from a fee-for-service payment.

I just don’t know why the authors think these are bipartisan fixes. Have they not really paid attention to the modern GOP, or what? These are things that I’d expect to be proposed by Obama, and in some cases, have been.

259 darthstar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:17:01pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

For those interested in possible solutions….
Five bipartisan fixes for US debt crisis

The only long term bipartisan solution is for Democrats and Republicans to vote people like Boehner and the Tea Party out of office.

260 erik_t  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:17:02pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

I’m hoping like hell that this is a culmination. If it gets worse than this, that would be really quite very bad.

261 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:17:23pm

Because nobody can ever change their position ever ever ever!

262 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:17:51pm
263 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:18:14pm

Speaking of alleged RINOs, Richard Nixon is no doubt smiling down (or perhaps up) to see his 1970s health care proposals finally being enacted.

264 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:18:49pm
265 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:01pm

re: #256 Interesting Times

Then how can he avoid default, given the 99% possibility of GOP fucknuttery continuing unabated? (I’m at work, can’t watch live video)

He said he’s remaining hopeful. But he also said they have plans for every contingency and Jack Lew will be doing a formal presentation on that particular plan to the Senate on Thursday.

266 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:03pm

re: #249 FemNaziBitch

Yes, I saw that the other day.

There was a National Day of (I can’t remember —respect and integrity?)

The march is on right now for immigration reform.

267 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:05pm
268 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:07pm

re: #261 Vicious Babushka

Because nobody can ever change their position ever ever ever!

Because Obama then filibustered and hung up the entire government over the debt ceiling

269 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:13pm

re: #262 Lidane

I’d watch that. Especially if someone got to ask what the GOP plan actually is.

270 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:45pm

re: #236 Lidane

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This was the man who was the principal architect of Reaganomics, don’t forget. Now he’s calling the GOP “wankers”.

Oh, to live on a planet where the Republican opposition were Bartlett, David Frum, and Andrew Sullivan, rather than Ted Cruz, Michele Bachmann, and Louie Gohmert.

271 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:52pm

re: #244 Justanotherhuman

The GOP is finding out what it’s like to get spanked by the President of the United States.

While I agree. I can also see many things he said that will twist into “Obama Hates America…but He likes His Ownself”

Fox and a whole bunch of others are very good at feeding the ignorant ignorant stuff to be more ignorant about.

272 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:19:57pm

re: #248 GOPHostage#25698724

If the 14th is invoked, I am so far unconvinced interest would spike. Am I wrong? Or if interest does go up, hey just pass a budget. More incentive.

US treasury Bonds are considered the safest investment in the world, because there’s no question the interest will be paid. That’s why the yields are so low. Make that open to question, and the interest baseline moves up for everyone. Raising interest rates is what the Fed does when it wants to slow down economic growth in an overheated economy. We’re not growing enough AS IS.

Make it an open question whether a particular bond will be honored AT ALL, and imagine what you’d have to pay in interest to sell those bonds.

273 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:20:47pm

Oh look. This shitty idea again:

274 darthstar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:21:20pm

That was one long presser - let’s see Boehner answer questions for 75 minutes.

275 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:21:28pm

re: #272 GeneJockey

Make it an open question whether a particular bond will be honored AT ALL, and imagine what you’d have to pay in interest to sell those bonds.

Just look at Greece. It’s funny to hear wingnuts babbling about how the debt is going to turn us into Greece (it won’t). A debt default, however, surely will.

276 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:21:48pm

I LOVE that he completely ignored the major networks. ADORE.

277 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:04pm

re: #261 Vicious Babushka

Because nobody can ever change their position ever ever ever!

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Once more the rhetorical fallacy of the absolute and binding.

278 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:10pm

re: #276 klys

I LOVE that he completely ignored the major networks. ADORE.

And he got better questions for it, too.

279 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:10pm
280 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:25pm

re: #273 Lidane

Never mind that TABOR has fucked over Colorado. We’re gonna make this national.

Fortunately, the Democrats here are suing to have TABOR declared un-constitutional.

281 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:28pm
282 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:38pm

Now that is a hell of an analogy. Burn down the plant.

They would expect to be fired.

They need to be fired now.

Now. By Republican voters, By all voters. And let them all hear about it in the meantime. Maybe we all need to be a little francis like.

A little. Very little, comparatively.

283 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:45pm
284 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:50pm

re: #278 Lidane

And he got better questions for it, too.

He did. There were one or two iffy ones that snuck in but most of them were on point and good.

285 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:50pm

re: #265 klys

He said he’s remaining hopeful. But he also said they have plans for every contingency and Jack Lew will be doing a formal presentation on that particular plan to the Senate on Thursday.

The only plan I can see swaying boehner is if Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, and Brian Moynihan show up at his house bearing baseball bats.

286 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:22:55pm

re: #261 Vicious Babushka

Presidents have responsibilities that they don’t have as Senator. As Senator, someone can preen and posture and stake out positions knowing full well that the default will be avoided. Obama could count as well as the Senate whip could - that was passing. Staking out a position on fiscal responsibility is all well and good, but as President he’s got to make sure that Congress avoids default by getting them out of this nonsensical death spiral brought on by target fixation on ACA destruction.

287 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:23:05pm

re: #261 Vicious Babushka

Because nobody can ever change their position ever ever ever!

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We were adding $500B to the national debt in the middle of an economic expansion, because we cut taxes for rich people, and started two wars and passed new entitlements without paying for them.

We should have been in surplus.

288 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:23:07pm

re: #271 ObserverArt

While I agree. I can also see many things he said that will twist into “Obama Hates America…but He likes His Ownself”

Fox and a whole bunch of others are very good at feeding the ignorant ignorant stuff to be more ignorant about.

They’ll do that no matter what he says. Fuck ‘em.

289 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:23:16pm
290 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:23:19pm
291 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:24:00pm

Theodore Roosevelt is another posthumous RINO. The chairman of our county GOP platform committee has actually called TR “the first socialist president.” This is based on TR’s trust-busting and his support for the Pure Food and Drug Act. Yes, folks, our local GOP has no problem with 19th century robber-baronism or “embalmed beef.”

292 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:24:01pm
293 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:24:15pm
294 darthstar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:24:24pm

This brings up an interesting question: How long until stores have to stop labeling beef as USDA Choice?

295 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:24:34pm

re: #275 Ian G.

Just look at Greece. It’s funny to hear wingnuts babbling about how the debt is going to turn us into Greece (it won’t). A debt default, however, surely will.

Right. You can’t default on debt denominated in a currency you print, unless you fail to raise the debt ceiling.

296 darthstar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:24:41pm

re: #289 Charles Johnson

Did Chucky not get a question?

297 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:24:48pm

re: #285 Interesting Times

The only plan I can see swaying boehner is if Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, and Brian Moynihan show up at his house bearing baseball bats.

I shouldn’t root for that.

But I might be, just a bit…

298 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:25:30pm

Eisenhower and Ford are RINOs too as are both Bushes. The only non-RINO is Coolidge and Reagan*
* The idea of Reagan not the actual president.

299 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:25:34pm

re: #296 darthstar

Did Chucky not get a question?

Nooooooooooooooope. None of the majors did.

300 darthstar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:26:08pm

re: #296 darthstar

Did Chucky not get a question?

Oh…he was too busy tweeting to ask a question (54 minutes ago - early into the presser)

301 AntonSirius  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:26:14pm
302 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:26:23pm

re: #299 klys

Nooooooooooooooope. None of the majors did.

Which of course means tonight’s coverage will consist of:

obummer is a big meaniehead who won’t negotiate with the nice republicans waaaah

303 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:26:33pm
304 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:27:01pm

re: #274 darthstar

That was one long presser - let’s see Boehner answer questions for 75 minutes.

How many “no” and “we want to meet” can be repeated in 75 minutes?

305 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:27:23pm
306 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:27:28pm

DERP

307 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:27:47pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

For those interested in possible solutions….
Five bipartisan fixes for US debt crisis

Solutions require two parties who will bargain in good faith. Do you see the problem here?

308 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:28:53pm

Notice how the “ideal economy without government” is a cartoon.

309 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:29:15pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

For those interested in possible solutions….
Five bipartisan fixes for US debt crisis

The Republicans won’t negotiate in good faith. All those solutions are meaningless.

310 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:29:30pm

re: #288 makeitstop

They’ll do that no matter what he says. Fuck ‘em.

Very much agree. Just so sick of doing the twist to everything.

311 Jolo5309  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:29:35pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Fuck, he’d probably be better than Palin or Ryan right?

Nailing Palin will be his first act as Veep…

Hey, it gets her into the White House!

312 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:29:47pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

For those interested in possible solutions….
Five bipartisan fixes for US debt crisis

We don’t have a ‘debt crisis’.

313 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:30:41pm

re: #312 wrenchwench

We don’t have a ‘debt crisis’.

And President Obama is just fearmongering about the potential effects of a default.

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314 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:30:50pm

re: #307 Skip Intro

Solutions require two parties who will bargain in good faith. Do you see the problem here?

I think it’s possible that some of those proposals end up being part of the deal that results from this.

315 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:31:07pm

re: #273 Lidane

Oh look. This shitty idea again:

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Does this dickhead think Obama can do that himself? Have any of these super patriots ever read the Constitution?

316 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:31:17pm

re: #286 lawhawk

And I know that if he was the deciding vote on the matter, he would have voted in favor of lifting the ceiling. Obama is not an idiot, and he took that vote because there was political cover and advantage in voting against it. But, here we go talking about nuance and political reality and whatnot.

317 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:31:24pm

re: #306 Vicious Babushka

Notice how they used a cartoon to show the economy. Even they know their ideas are just a comic book fantasy.

318 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:31:59pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Eisenhower and Ford are RINOs too as are both Bushes. The only non-RINO is Coolidge and Reagan*
* The idea of Reagan not the actual president.

You might think Warren Harding would still be a true Republican, given his devotion to whisky, cronyism, and letting oil companies run wild. Unfortunately for his GOP purity, he rates RINO status for supporting drastic federal overreach in the form of an anti-lynching bill (which more conservative elements defeated). Whatever his other faults, Harding was by far the strongest civil rights president between the two Roosevelts, and possibly the strongest between Grant and FDR.

319 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:33:12pm

re: #317 Lidane

Notice how they used a cartoon to show the economy. Even they know their ideas are just a comic book fantasy.

Notice how that illustration is also about ideal America 1959 or so?

Says a lot too.

320 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:33:26pm

re: #306 Vicious Babushka

Somebody email this fuck stick a picture of Somolia and ask him to point out where their flying cars and replicators are at. Detroit’s problems date back a long ways, and it had little to do with government regulation. I should know, because I’m living in Detroit right now.

321 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:33:43pm

re: #308 Vicious Babushka

Notice how the “ideal economy without government” is a cartoon.

And a Randian vision of a future shaped by enlightened plutocrats.

322 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:33:50pm

re: #314 Killgore Trout

I think it’s possible that some of those proposals end up being part of the deal that results from this.

What “deal” that results from this? Killgore, do you believe that the President should set precedent that holding the government hostage to a shutdown or default threat is something to be encouraged in the future? That if the party out of power wishes to get things it can’t get through normal legislative give and take, it just waits til the budget comes due or we need to raise the debt ceiling and then use that as leverage to get a deal more favorable to it?

323 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:08pm

re: #319 ObserverArt

Notice how that illustration is also about ideal America 1959 or so?

Says a lot too.

Fins on big boat cars were just soooo coool!
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324 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:13pm

re: #54 wrenchwench

We grow ‘em smart and precocious here in NM.

Next thing you know that baby will be cooking pure blue meth.

325 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:15pm

re: #261 Vicious Babushka

On top of that the vote was symbolic - everyone voting against knew that the Gephardt rule would raise the limit automagically, as the house had previously planned. In the scenario where Obama made that vote there wasn’t a chance of default.

326 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:17pm

re: #281 Vicious Babushka

Now that is funny. We might well end up nuking the mullahcrats and little Kim, but they are still looking more sane than the Republicans right now.

327 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:36pm

re: #306 Vicious Babushka

DERP
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Why, it looks just like Somalia!

328 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:36pm
329 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:34:39pm

re: #318 Shiplord Kirel

You might think Warren Harding would still be a true Republican, given his devotion to whisky, cronyism, and letting oil companies run wild. Unfortunately for his GOP purity, he rates RINO status for supporting drastic federal overreach in the form of an anti-lynching bill (which more conservative elements defeated). Whatever his other faults, Harding was by far the strongest civil rights president between the two Roosevelts, and possibly the strongest between Grant and FDR.

Hey now I love whiskey too. But yeah Harding was easily that on civil rights and should be commended for that. It’s why I have Buchanan and Pierce as worse than him.

330 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:35:02pm

re: #308 Vicious Babushka

Notice how the “ideal economy without government” is a cartoon.

hmmm, who built the roads? negotiated for the raw petroleum imports? provides a forum for contract enforcement for all the trading and acquisition of raw materials to manufacture all that stuff?

331 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:35:51pm

re: #330 FemNaziBitch

hmmm, who built the roads? negotiated for the raw petroleum imports? provides a forum for contract enforcement for all the trading and acquisition of raw materials to manufacture all that stuff?

John Galt, duh!

332 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:35:54pm

re: #320 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks

Somebody email this fuck stick a picture of Somolia and ask him to point out where their flying cars and replicators are at. Detroit’s problems date back a long ways, and it had little to do with government regulation. I should know, because I’m living in Detroit right now.

re: #327 BongCrodny

Why, it looks just like Somalia!

AAAAAAAUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!

333 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:36:18pm

re: #314 Killgore Trout

It’s like “both sides do it” except stretched to be unrecognizable, that this has been a planned play for negotiating on the side of both the Democrats and the Republicans to allow for the creation of some grand deal.

The problem, of course, is that it fails to address the actual reality of the parties involved. True BelieversTM don’t play by the same rulebook as the career politicians.

334 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:36:38pm

re: #319 ObserverArt

Notice how that illustration is also about ideal America 1959 or so?

Says a lot too.

those people with vaginas and too much melanin knew their place!

Strangely, it’s the people with vaginas and too much melanin who don’t think that is an ideal America.

Funny how that works …

335 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:36:56pm

re: #317 Lidane

Notice how they used a cartoon to show the economy. Even they know their ideas are just a comic book fantasy.

The “no government” cartoon looks like something out of the Disney studios in the 1960s. Why of course we could have highways, monorails, all that good stuff if there just wasn’t any government interference.

All you have to do is look at, uh, hmm, well, somewhere to see it in action.

336 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:36:57pm

re: #330 FemNaziBitch

hmmm, who built the roads? negotiated for the raw petroleum imports? provides a forum for contract enforcement for all the trading and acquisition of raw materials to manufacture all that stuff?

And who made that pretty sky where you can see the buildings off in the distance?

337 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:37:09pm
338 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:37:13pm

re: #314 Killgore Trout

I think it’s possible that some of those proposals end up being part of the deal that results from this.

You’re being even more vague than usual, Killgore.

One of the propositions to save money proposed there is actually one of the components of Obamacare, the law that the GOP is currently powerdiving the country into a mountain in order to defund. How would that be ‘bipartisan’? Another idea is reforming the tax code and raising some taxes, which is obviously something the GOP is against. Some of the other ‘solutions’ aren’t going to fix the debt, they’re just simple ways that the US could be saving money now.

So seriously, did you read the article, and if so, can you explain your logic that these things— which are, the chained CPI which I don’t really understand that well aside all reasonable ideas— would be favored in any way by the GOP?

The article is more like “Bipartisan solutions if we pretend the GOP isn’t what the GOP is.”

339 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:37:37pm

re: #319 ObserverArt

Notice how that illustration is also about ideal America 1959 or so?

Says a lot too.

1959 is the year Rush Limbaugh decided to stay in for the rest of his life.

340 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:13pm

re: #331 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks

John Galt, duh!

OMG, I just got a fb post from a misinformed friend proposing John Galt for POTUS.

This person has read exactly ONE book by Ayn Rand.

How does one gently suggest they borrow some of her non-fiction from my vast personal library?

341 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:14pm

re: #335 Skip Intro

The “no government” cartoon looks like something out of the Disney studios in the 1960s. Why of course we could have highways, monorails, all that good stuff if there just wasn’t any government interference.

All you have to do is look at, uh, hmm, well, somewhere to see it in action.

You mean like this?

Image: Somalia_2010_02_10_Freccia_Mogadishu8410_edit.jpg

342 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:23pm

re: #319 ObserverArt

Notice how that illustration is also about ideal America 1959 or so?

Says a lot too.

But it’s from Germany.

343 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:36pm

re: #337 Vicious Babushka

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You go for it, Rand! But remind me again where spending bills originate?

344 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:38pm
346 Randall Gross  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:48pm

The GOP falling back to “balanced budget” shows their desperation and fear — that was last decade’s stance, not Tea Party stance.

347 AntonSirius  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:38:52pm

re: #306 Vicious Babushka

DERP

[Embedded content]

WHERE ARE MY FLYING CARS???!!!???

348 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:39:30pm

re: #342 wrenchwench

But it’s from Germany.

CLASSIC!!!

349 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:40:57pm
350 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:41:11pm

re: #335 Skip Intro

The “no government” cartoon looks like something out of the Disney studios in the 1960s. Why of course we could have highways, monorails, all that good stuff if there just wasn’t any government interference.

All you have to do is look at, uh, hmm, well, somewhere to see it in action.

Yeah…The Disney with the crows and all kinds of other neat 1960 stereotypes.

As FemNazi posted just above you. It was a much cleaner and simpler time when people knew their places. People of color. Gays. You Know…nod nod wink wink.

351 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:42:01pm

re: #336 ObserverArt

And who made that pretty sky where you can see the buildings off in the distance?

You mean who cleaned up all the smog? Must have been the libertarians.

352 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:42:21pm

re: #342 wrenchwench

But it’s from Germany.

Now that is a great find. And says even more!

353 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:42:22pm

re: #337 Vicious Babushka

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Yes, and most of it happened in the first term, you remember, in the midst of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression?

354 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:42:43pm

Hey fuckstick, when did Obama VOW TO EXTEND THE SHUTDOWN? Stop making shit up.

355 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:42:57pm

re: #349 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Wingnut humor. Stupid and seldom funny.

356 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:43:02pm

re: #309 Lidane

The Republicans won’t negotiate in good faith. All those solutions are meaningless.

Tea Partiers believe in a christian version of taqiyha.

As they are on a Mission from G-d.

357 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:43:32pm

re: #354 Vicious Babushka

Hey fuckstick, when did Obama VOW TO EXTEND THE SHUTDOWN? Stop making shit up.

[Embedded content]

In what universe is this dipshit living in?

358 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:43:35pm
359 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:44:00pm

Rich hearing the party of Dick “deficits don’t matter” Cheney crying concern about the balanced budget. We’re not buying it fools.

360 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:44:37pm

re: #358 Lidane

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OFFS.

361 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:44:57pm

re: #358 Lidane

[Embedded content]

I’ll take even stupider wingnuttisms for 500 Alex.

362 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:45:27pm

re: #356 FemNaziBitch

Tea Partiers believe in a christian version of taqiyha.

As they are on a Mission from G-d.

Derpiyha!

363 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:45:31pm

re: #360 Dr Lizardo

OFFS.

You knew it was coming. As if only white people are adversely effected by the shutdown and there’s that right wing lie again that Obama is responsible for it.

364 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:45:48pm

re: #306 Vicious Babushka

DERP

[Embedded content]

The advantages of life in El Salvador over life in Sweden are self-evident.

/////////////////////////////////////

365 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:45:54pm

Trying to negotiate this situation with logic or reason is not going to work.

POTUS needs to come out with it. We are working with ONLY Man’s Laws on Earth. WHACKOs need to come to grips with that.

366 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:46:56pm

re: #306 Vicious Babushka

DERP

[Embedded content]

That was the economy predicted during a time of confiscatory tax rates on the highest earners, heavy regulation of commerce and banking, and strong labor.

Then we cut tax rates on the highest earners, deregulated commerce and banking, and busted labor unions.

367 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:47:08pm

re: #363 HappyWarrior

You knew it was coming. As if only white people are adversely effected by the shutdown and there’s that right wing lie again that Obama is responsible for it.

Of course. No white people anywhere are on food stamps or disability. Only lazy mooching minorities. And besides, the only bad thing about the shutdown is the closure of National Parks, and the fact that rich, white retirees who vote GOP can’t take the RV to the Grand Canyon right now.

368 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:47:12pm

re: #320 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks

Somebody email this fuck stick a picture of Somolia and ask him to point out where their flying cars and replicators are at. Detroit’s problems date back a long ways, and it had little to do with government regulation. I should know, because I’m living in Detroit right now.

IIRC much of the Somali piracy problem (problem for international commerce, that is) came from the fact they didn’t have a government that could enforce the protection of coastal waters for fishermen. Somali fishermen were being put out of business by large commercial ships that realized the waters were available for them to clean out without retribution.
Hmm, desperate men with boats. What could go wrong?

369 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:47:23pm

What’s the over/under on the Teahadis pulling a People’s Temple/Jonestown once they realize they’ve totally lost?

370 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:47:40pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

Gerrymandering is wrong no matter who does it and I’ve made clear I oppose it regardless of who does it.

I think almost everyone except politicians can agree that there should be as few safe congressional districts as possible.

371 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:47:49pm

re: #364 Ian G.

The advantages of life in El Salvador over life in Sweden are self-evident.

/////////////////////////////////////

More sunshine.

372 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:48:35pm

re: #371 calochortus

More sunshine.

More bugs.

373 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:49:21pm

re: #372 FemNaziBitch

MoreBigger bugs.

Fixed

374 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:49:48pm

re: #349 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Goober Graham is a laugh a minute. A few months ago, the tone deaf asshole joked that he had dibs on John McCain’s office if McCain failed to return from his self-ordered mission to Syria. He had apparently forgotten that McCain really had in fact failed to return from a war zone once, at least for quite a while.

375 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:50:16pm
376 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:51:10pm

re: #375 Dr Lizardo

Nice.
edit: Of course for someone of my skin tone, less sunshine is a feature, not a bug.

377 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:51:48pm
378 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:52:20pm

re: #376 calochortus

Nice.

And generally pretty warm all year round.

I know a few Ugandans as well - I taught English in Kampala for one year. Nice place.

Pretty women as well. :)

379 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:54:04pm

re: #378 Dr Lizardo

And generally pretty warm all year round.

I know a few Ugandans as well - I taught English in Kampala for one year. Nice place.

Pretty women as well. :)

You know the idea of civil rights is pretty much anathema in Uganda —right?

380 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:54:21pm

re: #237 Interesting Times

But if the 14th amendment solution would result in the interest-rate blowback described above, what other solution does he have to avoid default? (operating on assumption that boehner will bend over for the tea party freaks)

The Trillion dollar platinum coin.

381 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:55:00pm

re: #377 FemNaziBitch

That’s the thing I’ve really noticed lately (no, not racism against whites…) Total lack of direction on wingnut opinion.
Black woman shot in DC? Police are jackbooted thugs. Or, she was asking for it.
Government services? Good, those lazy non-whites will have to quit living on the gravy train. Or, how dare the government inconvenience me/not pay military survivor benefits.
Etc.

382 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:55:41pm

re: #379 FemNaziBitch

You know the idea of civil rights is pretty much anathema in Uganda —right?

Unfortunately, yes. I do know.

383 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:56:13pm
384 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:56:15pm
385 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:59:13pm

re: #381 calochortus

That’s the thing I’ve really noticed lately (no, not racism against whites…) Total lack of direction on wingnut opinion.
Black woman shot in DC? Police are jackbooted thugs. Or, she was asking for it.
Government services? Good, those lazy non-whites will have to quit living on the gravy train. Or, how dare the government inconvenience me/not pay military survivor benefits.
Etc.

That’s the problem with a movement defined by being not-something else. They feel a need to make EVERYTHING into a partisan issue, but many things don’t lend themselves.

386 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:59:49pm

re: #384 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

They don’t believe it nearly happened in 2008, why would they believe it it actually happened.

Maybe, if they don’t get their weekly delivery of laundered cash tax-free church donations —???

387 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:00:55pm

re: #386 FemNaziBitch

They don’t believe it nearly happened in 2008, why would they believe it it actually happened.

Maybe, if they don’t get their weekly delivery of laundered cash —???

They believe that the election of Obama in 2008 was a greater catastrophe.

388 EmmaAnne  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:01:23pm

re: #308 Vicious Babushka

Notice how the “ideal economy without government” is a cartoon.

And it includes freeways, overpasses, and high-speed trains.

389 sagehen  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:01:36pm

re: #285 Interesting Times

The only plan I can see swaying boehner is if Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, and Brian Moynihan show up at his house bearing baseball bats.

Nah… they just have to convince Limbaugh and the rest will fall in line.

390 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:03:11pm

re: #388 EmmaAnne

And it includes freeways, overpasses, and high-speed trains.

Where are the hoverboards? BY 2015 WERE ALL SUPPOSED TO HAVE HOVERBOARDS!!!!!!

391 m0nkeyb0y  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:05:19pm

The US dollar’s status as world reserve currency for both legitimate and illicit economies provides us preeminent soft power across the globe.
We have now enjoyed record low debt service in both public and private spheres for years.

Republicans are risking all this for political grandstanding that plays well in their (largely) safe districts.
They are apparently unacquainted with the treatment and obstacles that a bad credit rating imposes.

This exposes their loud, self-righteous claims of diplomatic realism, fiscal prudence and economic literacy as pure, unadulterated bullshit.

392 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:06:07pm

re: #377 FemNaziBitch

Wiles: Government Shutdown Is Racist Against White People -

More than 30% of welfare recipients are white, which is roughly the same percentage of blacks on welfare.

393 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:06:33pm

re: #340 FemNaziBitch

I like moments like that because it helps me quickly identify people on my newsfeed who need to be unfriended.

394 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:08:01pm

re: #388 EmmaAnne

And it includes freeways, overpasses, and high-speed trains.

Troll bridges… sorry, toll bridges, highways, and overpasses will pay for everything.

395 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:09:12pm

re: #390 Vicious Babushka

Where are the hoverboards? BY 2015 WERE ALL SUPPOSED TO HAVE HOVERBOARDS!!!!!!

I have one. However, the American government refused to allow them to ship to the US.

396 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:09:14pm

re: #387 Vicious Babushka

They believe that the election of Obama in 2008 was a greater catastrophe.

Somehow, it was G-d’s retribution for the election. …

397 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:10:14pm

re: #393 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks

I like moments like that because it helps me quickly identify people on my newsfeed who need to be unfriended.

nah, I keep ‘em all.

I did post that she was welcome to borrow from my library of Rand non-fiction.

398 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:13:21pm

re: #261 Vicious Babushka

yeah, things were different then with two wars off the books and an open ended NSA carte blanche with the R version of the Patriot Act, but those are minor details

399 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:16:57pm

re: #392 b_sharp

More than 30% of welfare recipients are white, which is roughly the same percentage of blacks on welfare.

Forget Idiocracy, the Idiopocalypse is happening right before our eyes.

400 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:21:07pm

re: #391 m0nkeyb0y

Republicans are risking all this for political grandstanding that plays well in their (largely) safe districts.
They are apparently unacquainted with the treatment and obstacles that a bad credit rating imposes.

How much do you want to beat that the ratio of dead-beats in their districts are higher than the ones in other congressional districts?

401 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:23:58pm

re: #308 Vicious Babushka

funny that idyllic time was representative of 90% tax rates for the top tax bracket and the income disparity between upper and middle class was radically reduced.

402 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:31:59pm

re: #15 dog philosopher

the rhetorical monkeyshines are getting paleopithecine

I don’t see how anyone with two brain cells to rub together can vote for Republicans.

403 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:33:53pm

re: #402 Tigger2

I don’t see how anyone with two brain cells to rub together can vote for Republicans.

More, less or exactly two?

404 kerFuFFler  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:43:34pm

re: #274 darthstar

That was one long presser - let’s see Boehner answer questions for 75 minutes.

But still, the wingnuts will cling to their teleprompter “jokes”.

405 m0nkeyb0y  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:40:04pm

re: #400 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks

How much do you want to beat that the ratio of dead-beats in their districts are higher than the ones in other congressional districts?

The question is, do they realize they are increasing it? I am not sure if it’s that they are stupid enough to believe what they are shoveling, or cynical enough to believe their rich donors can perpetuate the Ponzi scheme forever.

Actually, plenty are stupid enough and plenty are cynical enough.
God help us.

406 sunnygal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:08:13pm

re: #401 piratedan

“funny that idyllic time was representative of 90% tax rates for the top tax bracket and the income disparity between upper and middle class was radically reduced

That’s a good thing? (snark)

407 Pip's Squeak  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:49:57pm

re: #352 ObserverArt

Site says he’s been ‘back home’ for 108 days and mentions that he’s currently in Switzerland, which last checked isn’t in Germany.


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