1 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:54:55pm

So here we are, a week later, and the GOP’s no closer to a total victory than they were a week ago. In reality, they’re actually losing ground with each day passed, each new poll, and the press slowly growing tired of repeating their talking points.

2 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:56:09pm

Grab the popcorn:

3 erik_t  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:58:24pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

So here we are, a week later, and the GOP’s no closer to a total victory than they were a week ago. In reality, they’re actually losing ground with each day passed, each new poll, and the press slowly growing tired of repeating their talking points.

Like an idiot, I figured they’d cave like a fruit bat as soon as they saw which way the polling was blowing. Not as if at least half of the GOP has any principles to begin with.

But fool me twice, shame on me.

4 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:58:36pm

Shutdown denies benefits to family of fallen soldier?

5 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:00:09pm

re: #2 Lidane

I wonder if it will last longer than two minutes.

6 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:00:59pm

re: #5 jaunte

I wonder if it will last longer than two minutes.

I wonder how drunk the Human Cheeto Speaker will be?

7 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:01:31pm

re: #6 Dr Lizardo

I wonder how drunk the Human Cheeto Speaker will be?

You’re assuming he’s been sober at some point since last Sunday.

8 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:02:16pm

re: #4 FemNaziBitch

Shutdown denies benefits to family of fallen soldier?

It sucks. All of it.

I can’t think of any response other than that, since we know very well who is responsible for the shutdown. They need to own it.

9 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:02:59pm
The GOP has shut down the Congress for a week now based on the simple belief that everyone is not entitled to healthcare. Among other things, Carey’s death is a cautionary tale about what can happen in a nation that systematically ignores the unwell. One is left to wonder whether she had all the social support she needed in a country that not only thinks access to healthcare is a privilege rather than a right, but that also stigmatizes mental illness.
10 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:03:41pm

re: #4 FemNaziBitch

Yup. Shutdown has consequences. GOP shutdown affects everything, including death benefits.

Once they get a bit of propaganda or agitprop, they push a bill to “fix” problem, thinking it will lessen pressure to actually pass a budget and deal with the debt ceiling.

12 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:04:58pm

re: #4 FemNaziBitch

there was some teabagger from the house on Andrea Mitchell claiming that cutting the delay of death benefits was not the intent of what the republicans did. I wanted to scream “No, you idiot it wasn’t the intent it’s the freaking consequences of your idiocy”

13 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:05:05pm

re: #10 lawhawk

Yup. Shutdown has consequences. GOP shutdown affects everything, including death benefits.

Once they get a bit of propaganda or agitprop, they push a bill to “fix” problem, thinking it will lessen pressure to actually pass a budget and deal with the debt ceiling.

Intended Consequences?

14 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:05:12pm

re: #2 Lidane

Grab the popcorn:

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Think we all know how this goes: “President won’t negotiate, that’s not the way it’s done, and I’m going to hold my breath until he says he’ll give me that pony I want for Christmas.”

15 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:06:33pm

Gah, banging head against the wall with this one…

16 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:06:48pm

re: #7 Lidane

You’re assuming he’s been sober at some point since last Sunday.

Heh.

In one sense, I can’t really blame him. If I had to contend with the Teahadis, it’d drive me to drink as well.

At the very least, I’d turn into a chain-smoker. Half a carton a day, easy.

17 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:07:13pm
18 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:07:17pm

re: #15 lawhawk

Gah, banging head against the wall with this one…

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Your use of logic is uncalled for!

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19 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:08:00pm

re: #16 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

In one sense, I can’t really blame him. If I had to contend with the Teahadis, it’d drive me to drink as well.

At the very least, I’d turn into a chain-smoker. Half a carton a day, easy.

I would be in psych lock-up/permanent rehab if I was elected to any position in D.C.

20 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:08:04pm

New meme circulating on FB:

Vets arrested for refusing to leave War Memorial

except it didn’t happen this week.
or in DC…

21 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:09:09pm

re: #19 FemNaziBitch

I would be in psych lock-up/permanent rehab if I was elected to any position in D.C.

I know myself, and I’d lose my temper pretty quickly, especially with those Congresspeople who are wilfully ignorant.

22 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:09:42pm
23 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:10:00pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

Think we all know how this goes: “President won’t negotiate, that’s not the way it’s done, and I’m going to hold my breath until he says he’ll give me that pony I want for Christmas.”

Wish they would all really hold their breaths until they either pass out or turn Blue…

24 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:10:58pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wish they would all really hold their breaths until they either pass out or turn Blue…

That was one of the best skits on the Daily Show last week. With I think Targetpractice’s representative, if I am remembering things right.

25 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:12:56pm

re: #17 Lidane

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Classic DARVO.

26 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:14:30pm
27 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:15:07pm
28 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:16:58pm

re: #27 FemNaziBitch

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They’re selling it like there’s a white sale at Penneys! And it’s fabulous!!

///

*facepalm*

29 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:17:06pm

Colbert moved the wrong icon when he started the game.

30 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:17:31pm

BREATHTAKING PROJECTION AND DARVO

31 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:18:00pm

re: #27 FemNaziBitch

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They’re going to get rich I tell you, RICH!

32 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:19:03pm
33 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:19:11pm

re: #30 Vicious Babushka

BREATHTAKING PROJECTION AND DARVO

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Steve, how many times did Bush have to negotiate with Democrats to raise the debt ceiling?

34 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:19:56pm

Has Conservopedia updated the definition of “negotiation” to “total acceptance of all of what a tiny hysterical minority of the country wants” yet?

35 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:20:10pm

re: #27 FemNaziBitch

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“it’s a backdoor way to get people to give approval to known high-risk, immoral, troubling behavior, …”

Freud would so love to get this woman on a couch…

36 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:21:08pm
37 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:22:01pm

re: #32 Lidane

Butbutbut the real travesty of the shutdown is the park closures. I WANNA SEE OLD FAITHFUL ERUPT!!!! WAAAAAAAA!!!!

38 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:22:07pm

Rep. Luke Messer (R-IN) is spinning like a top right now on MSNBC.

39 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:22:33pm

re: #37 Ian G.

Butbutbut the real travesty of the shutdown is the park closures. I WANNA SEE OLD FAITHFUL ERUPT!!!! WAAAAAAAA!!!!

Maybe it doesn’t want to be watched —ever thought of that?????

:0

40 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:24:12pm


I don’t know what I did that made Vines no longer play for me….

41 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:24:41pm

re: #36 Lidane

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We’re so headed for a default. Hope folks weren’t actually hoping the GOP would have a moment of sanity before this was all over.

42 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:25:11pm

GOP logic, part 1:

The shutdown is Obama’s fault!

The shutdown is no big deal!

GOP logic part 2:

Sex is filthy, disgusting and animalistic!

You whould save sex for the person you marry!

43 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:25:12pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rep. Luke Messer (R-IN) is spinning like a top right now on MSNBC.

Is he actually getting tough questions, or just softballs? (which is what I strongly suspect is all boehner will get, assuming he takes questions at all…)

44 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:26:37pm

re: #36 Lidane

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When we default and the country turns into some “Mad Max” style wasteland, I get dibs on making dinner out of spineless eggheads like Martin Feldstein who peddle obvious bullshit in order to curry favor with the loons.

45 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:27:24pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

We’re so headed for a default. Hope folks weren’t actually hoping the GOP would have a moment of sanity before this was all over.

Yep. We’re going to default for no goddamn reason.

The next person who tries to tell me that the Republicans are a serious political party or that they’re the fiscally responsible adults is going to get laughed at. The Republicans have completely capitulated to the economic terrorists in the Tea Party and they’re going to take us all down with them.

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:27:38pm

re: #43 Interesting Times

Is he actually getting tough questions, or just softballs? (which is what I strongly suspect is all boehner will get, assuming he takes questions at all…)

Tough questions. Very tough. But he just kept spinning and denying that what he was saying was what he was actually saying.
Made my head hurt…

47 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:28:04pm

re: #43 Interesting Times

Is he actually getting tough questions, or just softballs? (which is what I strongly suspect is all boehner will get, assuming he takes questions at all…)

Joy Reid did a pretty good job. Damned w/faint praise when bidding him goodbye.

Four minutes, or 14, or whatever, waiting for Boehner.

48 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:28:58pm

re: #47 Justanotherhuman

Joy Reid did a pretty good job. Damned w/faint praise when bidding him goodbye.

Four minutes, or 14, or whatever, waiting for Boehner.

Yep, she kept hammering on ACA being tied to the CR and Messer kept changing goalposts.

49 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:29:20pm
50 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:29:28pm

re: #2 Lidane

Grab the popcorn:

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Let’s see how late HE is.

51 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:30:00pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

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The truckers will be pissed that they missed out on that…

52 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:31:02pm
53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:31:53pm

awww….Boehner haz a DISAPPOINTMENT with the President.

boo-fucking-hoo…

54 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:31:59pm

Not really a surprise…

Mexico captures alleged kidnapping gang comprised of federal police

reuters.com

(Reuters) - Mexican authorities said on Tuesday they had detained a gang of 18 suspected kidnappers - the majority of whom were members of the federal police - in the Pacific resort of Acapulco.

“The Mexican government’s national security spokesman, Eduardo Sanchez, said 13 of the 18 men aged between 22 and 32 years old were federal police. The gang is thought to be involved with seven murders and four kidnappings, Sanchez said.

“The suspects were seized on the outskirts of Acapulco by fellow federal police officers after an anonymous tip, Sanchez said in a press conference.”

55 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:32:11pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

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False flag.

56 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:32:15pm

Boehner is the worst single example of putting party above country since the Slave Power representatives in the 1850s.

I would be astonished if his press conference obliged the slightest revision of this fact.

57 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:33:09pm

So let’s assume for the moment that Feldstein and others are right and the government can prioritize payments. I hope Obama has Lew preparing some really Machiavellian shit for when that happens: yes, keep making bond payments, SS payments, medicare and medicaid payments, but nothing for military contractors, no farm subsidies, etc. Cut any highway funding for rural areas.

Let’s see how these brave anti-government warriors do when confronted with the reality of no government.

58 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:33:45pm

10 bucks says Boehner takes no questions.

59 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:34:32pm

re: #58 makeitstop

10 bucks says Boehner takes no questions.

Or if he does, only from chuck todd and fox.

60 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:34:44pm

re: #58 makeitstop

10 bucks says Boehner takes no questions.

Not even ‘how are you’?

61 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:34:50pm

re: #45 Lidane

Yep. We’re going to default for no goddamn reason.

The next person who tries to tell me that the Republicans are a serious political party or that they’re the fiscally responsible adults is going to get laughed at. The Republicans have completely capitulated to the economic terrorists in the Tea Party and they’re going to take us all down with them.

Think about this; if we default, the Tea Party will have succeeded where Al Qaeda failed.

Congratulations, guys! Give yourselves a hand. ///

*spit*

62 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:35:00pm

Boehner is not even making any sense here. None.

63 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:35:23pm

No Boehner, that conversation happened LONG AGO and you have blown it.

64 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:35:43pm

re: #62 makeitstop

Boehner is not even making any sense here. None.

slurring words and drooling.

65 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:35:50pm

re: #57 Ian G.

So let’s assume for the moment that Feldstein and others are right and the government can prioritize payments. I hope Obama has Lew preparing some really Machiavellian shit for when that happens: yes, keep making bond payments, SS payments, medicare and medicaid payments, but nothing for military contractors, no farm subsidies, etc. Cut any highway funding for rural areas.

Let’s see how these brave anti-government warriors do when confronted with the reality of no government.

That’s exactly how I’d do it. But then again, I’m an aficionado of Machiavelli.

66 HoosierHoops  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:36:24pm

I found Obama’s stance on the shut-down as a reasonable. The GOP response appears to be off the track.
Sad to say but our only hope maybe is John McCain’s proposal to fund the Gov. until 2014 without strings attached.
HEY GOP! Let the elections determine our course to take as a nation!
And the Tea Party..Fuck you too!
You started out with the mission of saving the USA ( In your minds ) Yet you sit here today with your finger on the button to destroy our nation.
Fuck you again!

67 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:36:55pm

15 minutes. That’s all Boehner could take.

68 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:37:01pm

didn’t quite make out the boehner statement

69 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:37:11pm

The president said ‘unless there’s unconditional surrender by Republicans?’

I watched the whole of Obama’s presser, didn’t hear that.

70 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:37:59pm

re: #69 makeitstop

The president said ‘unless there’s unconditional surrender by Republicans?’

I watched the whole of Obama’s presser, didn’t hear that.

“Unconditional surrender”? Is that why Democrats have agreed to maintain sequester level funding, despite members of both sides saying it’s bad shit?

71 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:39:06pm

re: #69 makeitstop

The president said ‘unless there’s unconditional surrender by Republicans?’

I watched the whole of Obama’s presser, didn’t hear that.

Maybe Boehner’s been lurking here at LGF and got my posting a few days ago regarding “unconditional surrender” confused with what President Obama said.

72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:39:29pm

oh my, Luke Russert kinda pointing out the self-destruction of the GOP.

73 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:39:48pm

re: #58 makeitstop

10 bucks says Boehner takes no questions.

Not going to give odds on that.

74 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:39:53pm
75 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:40:39pm

re: #69 makeitstop

The president said ‘unless there’s unconditional surrender by Republicans?’

I watched the whole of Obama’s presser, didn’t hear that.

That’s because Republicans are now consummate liars.

76 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:40:59pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Not going to give odds on that.

I lose. He took two questions.

77 Ming  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:41:04pm

re: #56 EPR-radar

Boehner is the worst single example of putting party above country since the Slave Power representatives in the 1850s.

He may simply be putting his own job first.

78 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:41:16pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

“Unconditional surrender”? Is that why Democrats have agreed to maintain sequester level funding, despite members of both sides saying it’s bad shit?

GOP projection. It is practically all they are capable of doing, since they are in the near-final stages of Obama derangement syndrome.

The end stage is when they can’t do anything other than say “N****r in the White House” over and over and over again.

79 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:42:01pm

Too little, too late.

Thanks, business community. You could have worked with the centrist technocrat in the White House, but you had to throw a tantrum when he suggested that maybe you should take some responsibility for the implosion of the global economy in 2008. Now the doomsday cult you supported is promising to do something exponentially worse and you have buyers remorse? Go fuck yourselves with a cattle prod.

80 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:42:08pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

“Unconditional surrender”? Is that why Democrats have agreed to maintain sequester level funding, despite members of both sides saying it’s bad shit?

A week ago, the President should have thrown Boehner an inexpensive bone. Now unconditional surrender sounds about right. Screw him, and try to help your neighbors who really get hurt.

81 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:42:20pm
82 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:42:46pm
83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:43:30pm

re: #76 makeitstop

I lose. He took two questions.

They weren’t real questions…

84 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:43:37pm

Carl Hiaasen:

7 a.m. You wake up, light a Camel. Read a pink Post-it left on the refrigerator by your wife: “John, don’t ever forget, YOU REALLY ARE THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!! Also, we’re out of bagels.”

7:30 a.m. You lie in your tanning bed meditating about the government shutdown, wondering if it was such a brilliant idea to let it happen. You put on some Pink Floyd, “Dark Side of the Moon,” but that doesn’t help.

8:00 a.m. On the ride to Capitol Hill, your driver remarks that there’s not much traffic in the city, no tourists lined up to see money being inked at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. You smoke another Camel.

8:11 a.m. From the car you call the police to report that some jerk on D Street is selling “Boehner is a Bum” T-shirts — no, wait, he’s giving them away! Worse, he’s wearing a national park ranger’s uniform…
….
nationalmemo.com

85 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:44:14pm

re: #77 Ming

He may simply be putting his own job first.

And not for the first time…or the second time…

86 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:44:57pm
87 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:45:02pm

re: #34 Ian G.

Has Conservopedia updated the definition of “negotiation” to “total acceptance of all of what a tiny hysterical minority of the country wants” yet?

That reminds me of an OT.
Among other things, Conservapedia is noted for its attacks on the Theory of Relativity, stupidly conflating it with moral and cultural relativism and dismissing it as a liberal hoax.
It turns out there is a long history of politically framed right-wing attacks on Relativity. I was researching pre-war American fascists the other day and came across an example from Elizabeth Dilling, the noted antisemitic and anti-communist writer whose works play a seminal role in the ideology of the John Birch Society and the rest of what we know today as the hard right.
In A Who’s Who of Radicalism for Patriots (1934), Dilling linked Albert Einstein to various communists and wrote “”married to Russian; his much press-agented relativity theory is supposedly beyond the intelligence of almost everyone except himself.” She also tried to justify the Nazi seizure of Einstein’s property in Germany, claiming it was done because he was a communist.
As a matter of fact, it is a press-generated myth that relativity is beyond the understanding of all but a handful of people, and Einstein certainly never made such a claim himself. Dilling can be excused her ignorance of science (though not her bigotry) but the editors of Conservapedia have no such excuse: Relativity is as firmly established as the velocity of light. Among other things, GPS would not work if relativistic factors were omitted from the calculations.

88 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:45:06pm

re: #77 Ming

He may simply be putting his own job first.

That’s all he’s been doing. Today was just another plea for Obama to come and save him.

89 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:45:07pm

re: #79 Ian G.

Too little, too late.

Thanks, business community. You could have worked with the centrist technocrat in the White House, but you had to throw a tantrum when he suggested that maybe you should take some responsibility for the implosion of the global economy in 2008. Now the doomsday cult you supported is promising to do something exponentially worse and you have buyers remorse? Go fuck yourselves with a cattle prod.

That what really burns about this budget crap. Obama is prepared to make significant cuts to entitlements, far deeper than many Democrats are comfortable with, if the GOP will accept increased revenue.

The GOP response has been a categorical refusal to raise taxes.

90 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:45:50pm
91 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:47:23pm

What, men don’t have emotions? I’d be pissed if I were a man.

92 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:47:34pm

WTF? Someone seriously ought to Page this:

The Latest Voter Suppression Fad: Two Tiers

Remember this phrase: two-tier voting. You may be hearing more about it.

Officials in Arizona and Kansas are making preparations for elections with two categories of voters. There will be those who provided proof of citizenship when they registered to vote, and will therefore be able to vote in all local, state, and federal elections. And then there will be those who did not provide proof of citizenship when they registered. Those people will only be able to vote in federal contests — if at all. […]

93 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:49:25pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

Because “separate but equal” works so well.

Also, the GOP agenda couldn’t be more obvious. They know they’re dying a demographic death, so they’ll do anything to stop the blood loss. You know, except join the real world in 2013.

94 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:50:23pm
95 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:50:24pm

re: #93 Lidane

Because “separate but equal” works so well.

Also, the GOP agenda couldn’t be more obvious. They know they’re dying a demographic death, so they’ll do anything to stop the blood loss. You know, except join the real world in 2013.

Exactly.

I see their endgame as secession.

96 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:50:30pm

Bernie Sanders up next with Joy Reid.
This outta be really good!

97 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:50:40pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

WTF? Someone seriously ought to Page this:

Ah, those that are equal and those that are more equal than others… .

98 erik_t  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:51:10pm

re: #56 EPR-radar

Boehner is the worst single example of putting party above country since the Slave Power representatives in the 1850s.

I would be astonished if his press conference obliged the slightest revision of this fact.

Actually, if Boehner were putting party first, he would force through a clean CR so fast your head would spin.

He may be murdering, at this exact moment, in real time, the rump Republican Party as we know it.

99 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:51:11pm

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio: We can’t raise the debt ceiling without doing something about what’s driving us to borrow more money

the assholes really are going to drive us right over the edge of the fucking cliff

100 Ming  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:51:11pm

I really admire President Obama for holding things together these past few years. He’s made progress in many areas, from health care to Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, to sanctions on Iran, to pressure on Syria to destroy its chemical weapons.

I appreciate his willingness to compromise with all kinds of people. But it’s no surprise, given the lunacy of the right wing, that the President now has no choice: he must take a hard line. It is simply NOT OK to threaten a second Great Recession, or worse, when the past national election didn’t go your way. To compromise with such a threat would undermine our entire Constitutional system.

I trust the President is up to the task, taking a hard line to preserve our system of government. But it won’t be easy. I have no doubt that Obama is thinking about one of his predecessors, Abraham Lincoln, who also had no choice but to take a hard line against forces profoundly opposed to his vision of the country.

101 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:51:13pm

Yes, indeedy.

102 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:51:30pm
103 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:52:34pm

re: #93 Lidane

They’re going to hold out for sabotaging the ACA by repealing the individual mandate.

104 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:52:36pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

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Where does that rock think it’s going?

105 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:53:04pm

hmmmmm.

106 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:53:11pm

re: #100 Ming

Until he safely watches Hillary sworn in, I’d rather not see the names “Obama” and “Lincoln” in the same sentence.

107 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:54:19pm
With local counsel and colleagues at the Reproductive Justice Clinic at the NYU School of Law, NAPW is suing for Alicia’s immediate release from custody because they believe that pregnancy shouldn’t be a nine-month suspension of constitutional personhood. If you agree that pregnant women are people, too, stand with them today.
108 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:56:19pm
The U.S. Supreme Court term opened with bad news for Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, as the nation’s highest court declined to hear Cuccinelli’s appeal of a ruling striking down Virginia’s anti-sodomy law.

Cuccinelli, who is the Republican candidate for governor in Virginia, has advocated strongly in defense of the state’s “crimes against nature” law, which criminalizes oral and anal sex, as a means to protect the public from child sex offenders.

I am concerned of those trying to take advantage of the current chaos.

We have to keep our eye-on-the-ball.

109 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:56:26pm
110 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:57:24pm

re: #98 erik_t

Actually, if Boehner were putting party first, he would force through a clean CR so fast your head would spin.

He may be murdering, at this exact moment, in real time, the rump Republican Party as we know it.

I certainly hope this ends up causing serious damage to the GOP, but I need to see the corpse firmly interred for at least two consecutive election cycles before I’ll be tempted to dance on the grave.

111 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:57:57pm
112 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:58:23pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

WTF? Someone seriously ought to Page this:

First step on the way to two tiers of Americans: citizens, and workers who can stay as long as they work, but never vote.

113 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:58:27pm

re: #108 FemNaziBitch

I am concerned of those trying to take advantage of the current chaos.

We have to keep our eye-on-the-ball.

Well here’s a thought-if you want to protect children, pass a bill protecting children not one outlawing “icky” stuff for everyone.

114 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:59:18pm

re: #110 EPR-radar

I certainly hope this ends up causing serious damage to the GOP, but I need to see the corpse firmly interred for at least two consecutive election cycles before I’ll be tempted to dance on the grave.

Look on the bright side; there’s a good chance that the Democrats may pull a trifecta - VA, the Senate seat in NJ and the Mayor of NYC.

That may have the effect of causing donors to the GOP to think twice, and if the Tea Party blows up the economy, the Chamber of Commerce will look elsewhere to sink their campaign dollars.

115 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 1:59:37pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

First step on the way to two tiers of Americans: citizens, and workers who can stay as long as they work, but never vote.

Just call them “Alphas” and “Gammas” for simplicity.

116 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:00:18pm

re: #111 Lidane

Oddly honest for Fox News. I was expecting the Fox chyron to read “Obama (D-Hell)” and go downhill from there.

117 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:00:36pm
118 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:01:21pm

I cannot believe this is the Speaker of the House:


We’re on the way to a default for the first time ever and for no goddamn reason at all because this asshole has decided his job is more important than the country.

Fuck him and fuck the GOP sideways.

119 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:01:23pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

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The wonderfully mysterious Sailing Stones of Death Valley. I went to see these years ago and was completely stumped at how they do it. There are several good hypotheses nowadays. None are proven but my bet is on rafts of wet ice forming under and on the rocks during rare cold spells, reducing friction enough for the wind to move the rocks across the perfectly flat surface. We do know that the movements are rare and fast: The rocks will sit stationary for years then move dozens or even hundreds of feet literally overnight. This is consistent with a sudden, and brief, loss of surface friction. The tracks remain visible because Death Valley is bone dry most of the time.

120 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:01:37pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

First step on the way to two tiers of Americans: citizens, and workers who can stay as long as they work, but never vote.

Yeah, next they’ll be proposing workers only count as 3/5 of a person.

121 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:01:55pm

re: #117 FemNaziBitch

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They were just too optimistic.

122 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:02:33pm

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123 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:03:42pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel

The most plausible explanation in my book is a thin layer of very fine clay remaining after the playa surface gets wet, acting as a lubricant to reduce friction and allow the rocks to slide.

124 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:03:47pm

re: #120 CuriousLurker

Yeah, next they’ll be proposing workers only count as 3/5 of a person.

Another RW agenda item is to get some RW stooges on the supreme court to rule that “freedom to contract” trumps the ban on indentured servitude in the 13th amendment.

(edit) This is speculation on my part, but certainly in character for RW nut jobs.

125 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:04:29pm

re: #124 EPR-radar

Another RW agenda item is to get some RW stooges on the supreme court to rule that “freedom to contract” trumps the ban on indentured servitude in the 13th amendment.

Please tell me that comes from The Onion.

126 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:04:29pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

First step on the way to two tiers of Americans: citizens, and workers who can stay as long as they work, but never vote.

I’ve reached my limit for the next few decades —you go ahead.

127 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:05:20pm

re: #113 calochortus

Well here’s a thought-if you want to protect children, pass a bill protecting children not one outlawing “icky” stuff for everyone.

because the act of forced repression has worked so well …

128 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:05:41pm

re: #125 Dr Lizardo

Please tell me that comes from The Onion.

It is speculation on my part, expressed too definitely. Will edit.

129 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:05:52pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel

The wonderfully mysterious Sailing Stones of Death Valley. I went to see these years ago and was completely stumped at how they do it. There are several good hypotheses. None are proven but my bet is on rafts of wet ice forming under and on the rocks during rare cold spells, reducing friction enough for the wind to move the rocks across the perfectly flat surface. We do know that the movements are rare and fast: The rocks will sit stationary for years then move dozens or even hundreds of feet literally overnight. This is consistent with a sudden, and brief, loss of surface friction.

You miss the obvious - extraterrestrial aliens curling.

130 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:06:00pm

re: #123 klys

The most plausible explanation in my book is a thin layer of very fine clay remaining after the playa surface gets wet, acting as a lubricant to reduce friction and allow the rocks to slide.

MAGNETS!

131 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:06:54pm

re: #123 klys

The most plausible explanation in my book is a thin layer of very fine clay remaining after the playa surface gets wet, acting as a lubricant to reduce friction and allow the rocks to slide.

But how would that account for the fact that the stones apparently don’t ever quite run into each other? I think the ice hypothesis is the best bet, myself. Shall we go there this winter and stare until something happens?

132 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:06:59pm

re: #123 klys

The most plausible explanation in my book is a thin layer of very fine clay remaining after the playa surface gets wet, acting as a lubricant to reduce friction and allow the rocks to slide.

Tortoise Olympics.

133 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:07:03pm

re: #125 Dr Lizardo

Please tell me that comes from The Onion.

I wish, yet I have no doubt there are some Whackos trying to figure every angle.

They keep doing it on Reproductive Choice and Creationism.

134 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:07:18pm

re: #128 EPR-radar

It is speculation on my part, expressed too definitely. Will edit.

That’s OK.

These days, that sort of thing really wouldn’t surprise me one bit if it were actually true.

135 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:07:33pm

re: #129 b_sharp

You miss the obvious - extraterrestrial aliens curling.

OMG! YOU ARE RIGHT …soooo obvious.

136 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:08:26pm
137 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:08:47pm

re: #131 calochortus

But how would that account for the fact that the stones apparently don’t ever quite run into each other? I think the ice hypothesis is the best bet, myself. Shall we go there this winter and stare until something happens?

I am completely on board with this plan. I have some amazing memories from camping right down the road and watching the meteors flash by the hills around.

I will totally dig out my Geology of Death Valley book later and look up what it summarized again. After I either finish or give up on this semi-numerical proof by inductionWHY DOES GOD HATE ME WHY.

138 erik_t  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:09:50pm

Well, we’re going to see what magic rabbit the President has in his hat, because I truly do think he’s got some less-than-legal recourse figured out, and I think he will fall on his sword to avoid the United States defaulting on its debts, and then we’ll get to watch the blackpeachment that the 27% so desperately have been craving for the last half a decade.

It’s going to be absolutely fascinating to watch. Curse each and every Republican member of the House of Representatives for bringing it about.

139 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:12:16pm

re: #138 erik_t

Well, we’re going to see what magic rabbit the President has in his hat, because I truly do think he’s got some less-than-legal recourse figured out, and I think he will fall on his sword to avoid the United States defaulting on its debts, and then we’ll get to watch the blackpeachment that the 27% so desperately have been craving for the last half a decade.

It’s going to be absolutely fascinating to watch. Curse each and every Republican member of the House of Representatives for bringing it about.

Impeachment would be political suicide for the GOP. I can think of nothing that will galvanize the Democratic Party more and really get their voters out come 2014 more than an impeachment.

Then the GOP will whine if they end up getting their asses handed to them in the mid-terms.

140 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:12:37pm
141 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:12:55pm

Boehner & Co need to stop fucking with this country.

“In this statement, the Obama Administration says it would veto legislation to approve a “supercommittee” working group to negotiate U.S. federal government spending and deficit. The supercommittee was been proposed early Tuesday by Republicans. “

live.reuters.com

On the other hand, 2014 should be a very good election year for liberals and progressives after the performances of Boehner & Co.

142 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:12:57pm
The Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Bali, Indonesia, is one of the most important trade meetings of the year. It’s especially important to the United States, which believes that selling products and services to the fast-growing countries of this region is critical to the future. President Obama has been calling for a “pivot” to Asia, reorienting U.S. foreign policy to focus on this key part of the world.

If there wasn’t a government shutdown, Obama would be at the center of this photo, probably standing somewhere out front between Presidents Vladimir Putin of Russia (seventh from the right) and Xi Jinping of China (eighth from the left). But the American president’s trip was canceled because of the government shutdown.

143 erik_t  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:13:29pm

re: #139 Dr Lizardo

Impeachment would be political suicide for the GOP. I can think of nothing that will galvanize the Democratic Party more and really get their voters out come 2014 more than an impeachment.

Then they’ll whine if they end up getting their asses handed to them in the mid-terms.

You trust Boehner to hold back his caucus? He can’t control them now. What if Obama ends up taking action that is actually factually obviously illegal?

144 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:13:39pm

re: #139 Dr Lizardo

Edited.

145 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:14:26pm

re: #141 Justanotherhuman

Boehner & Co need to stop fucking with this country.

“In this statement, the Obama Administration says it would veto legislation to approve a “supercommittee” working group to negotiate U.S. federal government spending and deficit. The supercommittee was been proposed early Tuesday by Republicans. “

live.reuters.com

On the other hand, 2014 should be a very good election year for liberals and progressives after the performances of Boehner & Co.

Not unless we bust our humps. Voter suppression and the confederate bloc aren’t going away on their own.

146 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:14:31pm

re: #143 erik_t

You trust Boehner to hold back his caucus? He can’t control them now. What if Obama ends up taking action that is actually factually obviously illegal?

No, I don’t trust Boehner.

But it’ll never get past the Senate; it’s an exercise in abject futility.

147 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:15:35pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Not unless we bust our humps. Voter suppression and the confederate bloc aren’t going away on their own.

We’ve been busting our humps for years—nothing different.

148 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:16:11pm

re: #143 erik_t

You trust Boehner to hold back his caucus? He can’t control them now. What if Obama ends up taking action that is actually factually obviously illegal?

How is it illegal? The executive is charged with spending money that Congress has already appropriated, and if he doesn’t, he’s acting unconstitutionally. It is Congress’s job to provide the funds, and because of the Anti-Impoundment act, he is legally required to spend every single penny. So, if the debt limit is reached, he is required to service the debt and spend any money that is part of any mandatory appropriations that are passed by Congress. The conflict comes in with his mandate to spend that money, and the debt ceiling, which is clearly unconstitutional.

149 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:16:51pm
150 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:18:05pm

re: #137 klys

NASA apparently thinks wind alone isn’t quite enough to move the rocks
But no one knows for sure.

151 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:19:01pm

re: #147 Justanotherhuman

We’ve been busting our humps for years—nothing different.

The new Alabama voter ID law will absorb every bit of work Wife and I can do. We are starting behind where we were in 2011.

152 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:19:40pm

Oh shit I left my phone at work.

153 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:19:41pm

re: #149 Lidane

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Because that worked out so well in Libya and Benghazi and Syria and Egypt…

154 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:21:34pm

bwhahaaaa!

Ed Schultz just said that Brother Conlon has announced that the trucker strike in DC was just a ploy to get media attention and the truckers strike has been canceled….

155 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:21:38pm

re: #149 Lidane

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John, I know that men of your advanced years may have trouble remembering some things, so I’ll remind you: YOU LOST! What’s more, your party wanted nothing to do with you after you did.

156 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:22:29pm

re: #150 calochortus

NASA apparently thinks wind alone isn’t quite enough to move the rocks
But no one knows for sure.

Worth noting that both the ice collars and likely reduction in the friction due to the fine clay at the surface likely play a role. :)

I gotta dig out my pictures from that trip too - some really nifty tracks. Unfortunately predates the good camera, but at some point we’ll get back there again. Need to do Saline Valley too for the hot springs, although apparently the roads aren’t in the best shape right now because of wet weather in July.

157 erik_t  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:23:05pm

re: #148 You_Stole_Fizzy-Lifting_Drinks

How is it illegal? …

Maybe it’s not. I do not claim to be a lawyer.

158 Ming  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:24:26pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

Until he safely watches Hillary sworn in, I’d rather not see the names “Obama” and “Lincoln” in the same sentence.

A bit off-topic, but since I care so much about the 2016 election, I must say that I’m not enthusiastic about Hillary. I desperately hope the Democrats come up with an alternative to her in 2016. Much like they did in 2008.

The Republicans have alienated too many demographics. The Democrats “should” win in 2016. But they have to be very careful. I think a long series of televised debates, much like what the Democrats did in 2008, may be an ideal vetting process. Maybe that process was a tad too long in 2008. But I wouldn’t shorten it too much.

159 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:25:08pm

re: #152 Vicious Babushka

Oh shit I left my phone at work.

YOU ARE SO FUBAR!!!!

160 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:25:39pm

re: #156 klys

Worth noting that both the ice collars and likely reduction in the friction due to the fine clay at the surface likely play a role. :)

I gotta dig out my pictures from that trip too - some really nifty tracks. Unfortunately predates the good camera, but at some point we’ll get back there again. Need to do Saline Valley too for the hot springs, although apparently the roads aren’t in the best shape right now because of wet weather in July.

When the Moon is full at perigee, it exerts additional forces on the rocks. It’s the tides—no one knows how it works.

161 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:26:11pm

re: #156 klys

Oh, absolutely, friction reduction is important-I kind of took that as a given. When I was there you could see where idiots had pushed some rocks around and of course it plowed a sharp furrow in the playa, not that nice smooth track.

162 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:26:37pm

re: #160 Decatur Deb

When the Moon is full at perigee, it exerts additional forces on the rocks. It’s the tides—no one knows how it works.

The rocks glide left, the rocks glide right……you can’t explain that!

163 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:27:07pm

re: #158 Ming

A bit off-topic, but since I care so much about the 2016 election, I must say that I’m not enthusiastic about Hillary. I desperately hope the Democrats come up with an alternative to her in 2016. Much like they did in 2008.

The Republicans have alienated too many demographics. The Democrats “should” win in 2016. But they have to be very careful. I think a long series of televised debates, much like what the Democrats did in 2008, may be an ideal vetting process. Maybe that process was a tad too long in 2008. But I wouldn’t shorten it too much.

Since I can’t have Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders or Angus King she’ll do.

164 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:28:33pm

re: #161 calochortus

Oh, absolutely, friction reduction is important-I kind of took that as a given. When I was there you could see where idiots had pushed some rocks around and of course it plowed a sharp furrow in the playa, not that nice smooth track.

And also, their footprints right next to it.

That was a fun trip. We got a flat tire out by the Eureka sand dune and actually had a ranger pull up to see if we were ok (these are not horrible but not fantastic dirt roads).

Once they saw that we had the full size spare tire, green goo, and portable air compressor, not to mention the car already up on the jack and the tire off, they felt pretty good about leaving us to our own devices. :) The green goo worked well enough to let us keep using that tire, which was good because we weren’t going to head out to the Racetrack if we’d already had to use the full size spare.

165 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:28:35pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

bwhahaaaa!

Ed Schultz just said that Brother Conlon has announced that the trucker strike in DC was just a ploy to get media attention and the truckers strike has been canceled….

In a news update October 8, reps indicate that “The comments to U.S. News were designed to do one thing and one thing only: stir the feather of the mainstream media.” They added that “Nothing gets the attention like the mainstream media, like some sort of disastrous threat. I knew it was going to ruffle some feathers.”

And yet, the vast majority of coverage was on wingnut media.

166 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:29:10pm
167 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:29:21pm

re: #140 Lidane

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So the Republicans have shut down the government and threatened to default on the debt ceiling but have no plan except the impossible task of defunding/repealing the ACA?

Got it.

168 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:31:28pm

Really, who the fuck does Cruz think he is? Does he think that an endorsement by Sarah Fucking Palin elevated him to some lofty position, that as a newby senator he even has the chops to shine the shoes of Harry Reid? And I’ve never been that fond of Reid, but goddamn, who the hell are these people?

Cruz, Reid exchange barbs on whether to debate government funding

Read more: thehill.com

“Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) accused Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) of not wanting to debate “piecemeal” House funding measures.

“Cruz asked for unanimous consent to engage in a colloquy with Reid on Tuesday in order for the two to attempt to negotiate a deal to reopen at least parts of the federal government.”

Just how fucking dense is Cruz anyway?

169 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:32:52pm

OK, I think this one is the one I want.

But this is so much cheaper and got good reviews as well.

neither is wireless ;(

170 Mattand  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:33:10pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

bwhahaaaa!

Ed Schultz just said that Brother Conlon has announced that the trucker strike in DC was just a ploy to get media attention and the truckers strike has been canceled….

We (and by ‘we’, I mean ‘I’) demand links.

Too funny.

171 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:33:36pm

re: #168 Justanotherhuman

Really, who the fuck does Cruz think he is? Does he think that an endorsement by Sarah Fucking Palin elevated him to some lofty position, that as a newby senator he even has the chops to shine the shoes of Harry Reid? And I’ve never been that fond of Reid, but goddamn, who the hell are these people?

Cruz, Reid exchange barbs on whether to debate government funding

Read more: thehill.com

“Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) accused Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) of not wanting to debate “piecemeal” House funding measures.

“Cruz asked for unanimous consent to engage in a colloquy with Reid on Tuesday in order for the two to attempt to negotiate a deal to reopen at least parts of the federal government.”

Just how fucking dense is Cruz anyway?

What dense? He knows he world runs best when the white guy is in charge

172 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:35:14pm

re: #171 FemNaziBitch

What dense? He knows he world runs best when the white guy is in charge

When they drop the facade, the TPGOP thinks so too.

173 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:35:28pm

Afternoon Lizardim.

174 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:35:38pm

re: #169 FemNaziBitch

OK, I think this one is the one I want.

But this is so much cheaper and got good reviews as well.

neither is wireless ;(

I repeat again that I adore my ScanSnap and consider it a totally worthwhile investment towards my goal of getting rid of all the paper.

175 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:36:05pm

re: #164 klys

Sounds nice. I went on a college field trip there for a week in January of 19somethingsomething-(way too long ago) Also hit the Alabama Hills and an area just south of Saline Valley. Pull off the road in obscure locations kind of camping. Probably wouldn’t be able to do it now. When we toured Scotty’s Castle the poor tour guide kept pointing out he could throw us out if we were rowdy. We were scruffy, but well behaved.

176 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:36:07pm

And now, the grocery store calls, because while the government may be shut down, digestive systems have not…

177 RadicalModerate  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:37:49pm

Breaking news headline from CNN:

Speaker John Boehner rejects President Obama’s stance that he’ll negotiate only if the shutdown ends and the debt ceiling is raised.

TL;DR version:

“Boehner: We refuse to release any hostages”

178 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:37:54pm

Holy shit!

The California Republican Party is throwing the full weight of its political muscle behind an effort to repeal the state’s ban on discrimination against transgender kids. According to BuzzFeed’s Tony Merevik, far-right conservatives and tea party operatives have made overturning the recent protections enacted for transgender teens in public schools the center of the party platform.

Un-fucking believable. People wondered if the GOP could get any meaner or more cartoonishly evil, and they took it as a challenge. They’re actually going to make bullying tran-kids the primary plank of their statewide push for office.

179 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:39:02pm

re: #170 Mattand

We (and by ‘we’, I mean ‘I’) demand links.

Too funny.

Here’s one.

180 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:39:23pm

re: #175 calochortus

Sounds nice. I went on a college field trip there for a week in January of 19somethingsomething-(way too long ago) Also hit the Alabama Hills and an area just south of Saline Valley. Pull off the road in obscure locations kind of camping. Probably wouldn’t be able to do it now. When we toured Scotty’s Castle the poor tour guide kept pointing out he could throw us out if we were rowdy. We were scruffy, but well behaved.

Had Wetumpka Crater been defined in 19something? We drove up and down its remaining wall for years without knowing it.

auburn.edu

181 erik_t  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:39:50pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

Holy shit!

Un-fucking believable. People wondered if the GOP could get any meaner or more cartoonishly evil, and they took it as a challenge. They’re actually going to make bullying tran-kids the primary plank of their statewide push for office.

The California Republican Party, long regionally marginalized by its own short-sighted and boorish actions, has offered for some time a window through which one might look at the national party ten or twenty years hence.

Nothing new under the sun.

182 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:39:55pm

re: #168 Justanotherhuman

Just how fucking dense is Cruz anyway?

Reminder: Texas Lt. Gov David Dewhurst is even dumber than Cruz. If he was smarter, Dewhurst would be a Senator right now.

183 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:41:32pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

Holy shit!

Un-fucking believable. People wondered if the GOP could get any meaner or more cartoonishly evil, and they took it as a challenge. They’re actually going to make bullying tran-kids the primary plank of their statewide push for office.

The CA GOP has been reduced to a parody of its former self. They’ve got nothing. They had hoped a supermajority in the legislature and control of the executive would make the Democrats overreach, but it hasn’t happened so far. Things seem to be improving economically, the government hasn’t gone wildly to the left. What else have they got?

184 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:41:34pm

ZOMG RINO!

185 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:42:07pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

Holy shit!

Un-fucking believable. People wondered if the GOP could get any meaner or more cartoonishly evil, and they took it as a challenge. They’re actually going to make bullying tran-kids the primary plank of their statewide push for office.

If the GOP gets anymore cartoonishly evil, they’ll have no choice but to run this fellow for President in 2016:

Image: 01-snidely-whiplash.jpg

186 GOPHostage#25698724  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:43:15pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

Holy shit!

Un-fucking believable. People wondered if the GOP could get any meaner or more cartoonishly evil, and they took it as a challenge. They’re actually going to make bullying tran-kids the primary plank of their statewide push for office.

The FULL weight? All 1.2 ounces? EDIT (and declining)

187 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:44:18pm

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

Maybe they can dig up Simon Bar-Sinister as his running mate…..

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188 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:44:26pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

Had Wetumpka Crater been defined in 19something? We drove up and down its remaining wall for years without knowing it.

auburn.edu

Interesting. Apparently not. 19something would be 1973.

189 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:45:10pm

When the National Review guy says this, you know things are worse on the ground:

190 Kilroy01  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:45:12pm

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

Image: snidley_2016.jpg

191 RadicalModerate  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:45:50pm

re: #182 Lidane

Reminder: Texas Lt. Gov David Dewhurst is even dumber than Cruz. If he was smarter, Dewhurst would be a Senator right now.

I’m actually thinking that Cruz becoming senator might have been a blessing in disguise. Otherwise, we would not have seen the antics of Dewhurst on the Texas Legislature floor this summer, and Wendy Davis becoming a rapidly-rising star in the state - and it’s pretty certain she wouldn’t be running for Governor with the huge boost that she’s gotten.

192 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:46:20pm

re: #187 piratedan

Maybe they can dig up Simon Bar-Sinister as his running mate…..

Awesome.

193 abolitionist  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:46:23pm

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

If the GOP gets anymore cartoonishly evil, they’ll have no choice but to run this fellow for President in 2016:

Image: 01-snidely-whiplash.jpg

No way— he looks too much like Lincoln.

194 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:47:10pm

re: #190 Kilroy01

Image: snidley_2016.jpg

LOLOLOL

195 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:48:15pm

Really, everyone with access to HBO should try to watch or DVR Valentine Road sometime in the next week or so. Some of the opinions expressed by a few teachers and jurors will disgust you, but it’s directly on point with the victim blaming that the CA GOP is attempting to legitimize.

196 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:49:50pm

Just upgraded my iPad to the new system, everything looks all new and futuristic but can’t find the option to search a page for a given bit of test anymore….

197 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:51:33pm

re: #190 Kilroy01

Image: snidley_2016.jpg

Like Ted Cruz, he is of Canadian origin!

198 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:51:37pm

Sandoval is a Republican.

Sandoval: Nevada faces catastrophe if government shutdown persists

lasvegassun.com

199 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:52:21pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

We’re so headed for a default. Hope folks weren’t actually hoping the GOP would have a moment of sanity before this was all over.

I still refuse to believe that Boehner is stupid enough to actually allow a default to happen. I’ll believe it when I see it, and I hope to God I don’t.

200 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:52:31pm

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

If the GOP gets anymore cartoonishly evil, they’ll have no choice but to run this fellow for President in 2016:

Image: 01-snidely-whiplash.jpg

First, Snidely would have to give up his Canadian citizenship.

Oh, sorry, my bad — he already did!

Ted Cruz renounces Canadian citizenship

201 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:55:56pm

Ladies and gents, The Stupid Party:

202 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:56:09pm

re: #57 Ian G.

So let’s assume for the moment that Feldstein and others are right and the government can prioritize payments. I hope Obama has Lew preparing some really Machiavellian shit for when that happens: yes, keep making bond payments, SS payments, medicare and medicaid payments, but nothing for military contractors, no farm subsidies, etc. Cut any highway funding for rural areas.

Let’s see how these brave anti-government warriors do when confronted with the reality of no government.

If I could, I would stop all federal payments, social security, medicare, everything, to anyone with an address in Boehner’s congressional district. That should end this shit in about five minutes.

203 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:57:09pm

re: #199 aagcobb

I still refuse to believe that Boehner is stupid enough to actually allow a default to happen. I’ll believe it when I see it, and I hope to God I don’t.

It’s not up to Boehner anymore. He’s lost control of the House GOP and there are enough Republican dipshits in both the House and Senate who buy into the “Default Is No Big Deal” fail.

We’re fucked, and for no reason at all.

204 erik_t  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:57:17pm

re: #201 Lidane

Ladies and gents, The Stupid Party:

[Embedded content]

TOM, YOU CAN’T CUT UP THE CREDIT CARD YOU USED TO BUY YOUR BOAT AND THEN KEEP YOUR BOAT.

205 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:57:34pm

re: #62 makeitstop

Boehner is not even making any sense here. None.

That is kind of what happens when you stake out a nonsensical position.

206 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:57:52pm

re: #203 Lidane

It’s not up to Boehner anymore. He’s lost control of the House GOP and there are enough Republican dipshits in both the House and Senate who buy into the “Default Is No Big Deal” fail.

We’re fucked, and for no reason at all.

Sadly, it’s starting to look like just that.

207 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:58:15pm

re: #199 aagcobb

to paraphrase a line from Dune “we have the likes of DERP that not even God himself has ever seen1”

I waver between either these guys have some truly Machiavellian whisperers in their ears who have some plan that has yet to be revealed (i.e. like shorting on the Government itself in the financial markets in order to profit financially or generating a Constitutional crisis as a means to an end) or that we have some of the most myopic short sighted tools ever elected to public office that have no end game other than to be in toddler mode.

208 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 2:59:52pm

re: #207 piratedan

I’m hearing that in Stilgar’s voice, LOLOL.

209 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:00:41pm

re: #203 Lidane

It’s not up to Boehner anymore. He’s lost control of the House GOP and there are enough Republican dipshits in both the House and Senate who buy into the “Default Is No Big Deal” fail.

We’re fucked, and for no reason at all.

It actually is up to Boehner, if there really are enough D + R votes in the House for a clean CR.

Since Boehner has not brought a clean CR up for a vote, one assumes that this is because it would pass.

The Republican dipshits are only part of the problem. The rest of the problem is their enabling by cravens like Boehner et al.

210 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:01:01pm

re: #207 piratedan

some of the most myopic short sighted tools ever elected to public office that have no end game other than to be in toddler mode

So the Tea Party, then?

211 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:01:03pm

re: #203 Lidane

It’s not up to Boehner anymore. He’s lost control of the House GOP and there are enough Republican dipshits in both the House and Senate who buy into the “Default Is No Big Deal” fail.

We’re fucked, and for no reason at all.

It is up to him. He can waive the Hastert Rule and pass a clean debt limit increase with Democrats and a few Republicans. He has to understand that its the end of the GOP if he triggers a global financial meltdown. But he has to wait until the last minute to do it to appease enough of the crazies to keep his speakership.

212 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:01:51pm

Meanwhile, over in Bizzaroworld:

Gold Exec Reassures Fox Viewers The Debt Limit Fight Won’t Ruin The Economy (VIDEO)

After President Obama expressed frustration at a Tuesday news conference about the ongoing debate over the budget and debt ceiling, Fox News host Neil Cavuto brought on a gold company executive to reassure viewers that everything would be OK.

Craig Smith, the chairman of gold sellers Swiss America, told viewers that the President’s warnings that the economy could be thrown into turmoil if Congress refuses to raise the nation’s debt ceiling were vastly overblown.

“It just amazes me,” said Smith. “We are not going to default on the debt.”

213 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:02:49pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

Part of me wants Fox News shutdown for seditious and treasonous actions.

214 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:03:01pm

re: #210 Lidane

I suppose so, cue the stuffed animals and imaginary friends….

215 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:03:04pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, over in Bizzaroworld:

Gold Exec Reassures Fox Viewers The Debt Limit Fight Won’t Ruin The Economy (VIDEO)

Gee. Now why would a guy who sells gold try to mollify the rubes on Fox?

216 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:03:08pm

re: #211 aagcobb

It is up to him. He can waive the Hastert Rule and pass a clean debt limit increase with Democrats and a few Republicans. He has to understand that its the end of the GOP if he triggers a global financial meltdown. But he has to wait until the last minute to do it to appease enough of the crazies to keep his speakership.

That’s definitely a theory. If he throws in the towel now, the Teahadis will seek nothing less than his head on a platter. If he waits until the last possible moment, then he can claim ‘I had no choice but to do this in order to save the US economy’ or something along those lines.

217 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:03:35pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

Craig Smith, the chairman of gold sellers Swiss America

Sure, you can trust him for macroeconomic advice.

218 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:04:14pm

Off to a little AME church to learn how to put our Mad Obamacare Skilz to use. BBL

219 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:04:16pm

re: #215 Lidane

Gee. Now why would a guy who sells gold try to mollify the rubes on Fox?

Hasn’t the whole point to selling gold to the rubes been in case of events like this? Interest rates spike, the price of gold spikes, and they all become gazillionaires.

220 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:04:36pm

re: #216 Dr Lizardo

That’s definitely a theory. If he throws in the towel now, the Teahadis will seek nothing less than his head on a platter. If he waits until the last possible moment, then he can claim ‘I had no choice but to do this in order to save the US economy’ or something along those lines.

That won’t cut any ice at all with the gibbering Teabagger loons, and Boehner knows it.

Like most cowards, his sense of self-preservation is his only talent.

221 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:05:03pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

Yeah, a goldbug - about as serious an economist as some madman who writes his political manifestos with his own feces.

LOL. Typical FNC.

222 Mattand  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:06:08pm

re: #216 Dr Lizardo

That’s definitely a theory. If he throws in the towel now, the Teahadis will seek nothing less than his head on a platter. If he waits until the last possible moment, then he can claim ‘I had no choice but to do this in order to save the US economy’ or something along those lines.

I cannot even fathom what kind of mindset it requires to risk global economic disaster, just so you can keep your Speakership.

223 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:06:29pm

re: #220 EPR-radar

That won’t cut any ice at all with the gibbering Teabagger loons, and Boehner knows it.

Like most cowards, his sense of self-preservation is his only talent.

And that’s the other side of things.

Boehner is a coward, and it would seem, a fool as well.

224 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:06:53pm

re: #222 Mattand

I cannot even fathom what kind of mindset it requires to risk global economic disaster, just so you can keep your Speakership.

An extremely petty and self-centered one.

225 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:07:17pm

re: #222 Mattand

I cannot even fathom what kind of mindset it requires to risk global economic disaster, just so you can keep your Speakership.

One word: selfish.

Add as many superlatives as you wish.

226 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:07:18pm

re: #221 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, a goldbug - about as serious an economist as some madman who writes his political manifestos with his own feces.

LOL. Typical FNC.

There’s a thought for the 2016 GOP platform committee. It might even be viewed by teabaggers as providing authenticity.

227 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:07:53pm

re: #226 EPR-radar

There’s a thought for the 2016 GOP platform committee. It might even be viewed by teabaggers as providing authenticity.

LOL.

228 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:08:23pm

I didn’t think I could have a lower opinion of Republicans.

They make me sick.

229 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:08:25pm

I understand that Vegas billionaire Sheldon Adelson is supporting this guy:

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

If the GOP gets anymore cartoonishly evil, they’ll have no choice but to run this fellow for President in 2016:

Image: 01-snidely-whiplash.jpg

I understand that billionaire Sheldon Adelson is already supporting this guy:

Dick Dastardly

230 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:08:27pm

re: #219 Targetpractice

Hasn’t the whole point to selling gold to the rubes been in case of events like this? Interest rates spike, the price of gold spikes, and they all become gazillionaires.

You’re presuming some sort of coherent strategy. Heh.

231 RadicalModerate  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:09:03pm

A story to warm the hearts of the Doctor Who fans out there, just in time for the 50th anniversary:


BBC to reveal a number of missing Doctor Who episodes

A number of early episodes of Doctor Who, which were believed to have been permanently lost, have been returned to the BBC.

BBC Worldwide is expected to confirm the find at a press screening in London later this week.
It follows weeks of speculation that some lost episodes had been located.
A total of 106 episodes featuring the first two actors to play the Doctor, William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton, are currently missing.
The BBC destroyed many of the sci-fi drama’s original transmission tapes in the 1960s and 1970s.
However, the majority of the episodes had been transferred on to film for foreign broadcasters. It is often these prints found in other countries that are the source of retrieved episodes.

Reports are that most of the missing stories from the Troughton era are now complete, and a significant number of Hartnell stories were found as well.

232 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:09:49pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

Holy shit!

Un-fucking believable. People wondered if the GOP could get any meaner or more cartoonishly evil, and they took it as a challenge. They’re actually going to make bullying tran-kids the primary plank of their statewide push for office.

The CA GOP, largely freed from the burdens associated with governance, can serve as a model for the nation in terms of its purity and devotion to conservative principles. //

233 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:10:00pm

If, as the GOP suggests, 80% of government is still running and a debt default won’t cause a problem, why do they think it gives them any leverage to demand concessions from the President?

234 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:10:35pm

re: #233 Single-handed sailor

If, as the GOP suggests, 80% of government is still running and a debt default won’t cause a problem, why do they think it gives them any leverage to demand concessions from the President?

Because WW2 Memorial! Freedom! Eleventy!

235 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:11:19pm

re: #231 RadicalModerate

I would be, but I am more worried the Republicans will default, which could screw me over later in life.

236 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:11:20pm

BBL

237 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:11:46pm

Meanwhile, some goon at RedState is nattering on about the “little Eichmanns” of the National Park Service.

238 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:12:15pm

re: #229 BongCrodny

He’ll make a great Senator, I’m sure.

One of my former students, who now works for the Czech National Bank - the central bank here - told me a short while ago that a mounting sense of panic is starting to take hold at the office.

She was asking me questions as though I have anything to do with US economic policy. Flattering, but not much I can say, to be honest.

I just told her it’s because a segment of one of our two major political parties has gone violently insane. She’s frankly flabbergasted that there’s Teahadis who think a debt default would be “no big deal”.

239 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:13:35pm

re: #232 EPR-radar

The CA GOP, largely freed from the burdens associated with governance, can serve as a model for the nation in terms of its purity and devotion to conservative principles. //

I’ve never met such stone-hearted bastards as I did in the CA Republican Party. Texas Tealiban are mostly just ignorant, California Tealiban are consciously, gleefully evil.

240 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:13:48pm

re: #231 RadicalModerate

Nice.

As an aside, the Japanese anime “Project A-ko” will likely never be released on BlueRay. Why is that?

The original print of the film has been misplaced, and no one seems to know where it is. They’ve looked high and low, and they just can’t find it.

241 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:14:12pm

re: #237 EPR-radar

Meanwhile, some goon at RedState is nattering on about the “little Eichmanns” of the National Park Service.

Because the biggest problem in all this is that people can’t go to Yellowstone or the WW2 Memorial.

What a bunch of overly entitled First World Problem having dipshits. If you care more about national parks and monuments the TOTAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE we’re facing next week, then fuck off.

242 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:15:15pm

So I wore a suit today for probably the first time in the last 11 years.

243 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:16:03pm

re: #238 Dr Lizardo

He’ll make a great Senator, I’m sure.

One of my former students, who now works for the Czech National Bank - the central bank here - told me a short while ago that a mounting sense of panic is starting to take hold at the office.

She was asking me questions as though I have anything to do with US economic policy. Flattering, but not much I can say, to be honest.

I just told her it’s because a segment of one of our two major political parties has gone violently insane. She’s frankly flabbergasted that there’s Teahadis who think a debt default would be “no big deal”.

I like the three primary talking points right now. They’re covering their asses for every possibility:

1) Nothing will happen, and
2) Even if it does, it won’t be that bad, and
3) Even if it’s bad, it’s all Obama’s fault.

Derp trifecta!

244 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:16:17pm

re: #242 Kragar

So I wore a suit today for probably the first time in the last 11 years.

Did the nice orderly be sure not to make the straps too tight?

//

245 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:16:24pm

re: #242 Kragar

So I wore a suit today for probably the first time in the last 11 years.

I wore a suit once, in 1991, for my wedding.

246 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:16:55pm

re: #222 Mattand

I cannot even fathom what kind of mindset it requires to risk global economic disaster, just so you can keep your Speakership.

Political power’s a hell of a drug…

/apologies to Rick James and Dave Chappelle

247 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:17:07pm

Krugman:
“Republicans don’t care about the debt and never did, they only pretended to as an excuse to slash social insurance programs.”
krugman.blogs.nytimes.com

248 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:17:15pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

Did the nice orderly be sure not to make the straps too tight?

//

Nah, once I dislocated my shoulder, it slid right off.
/

249 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:17:31pm

re: #243 BongCrodny

I like the three primary talking points right now. They’re covering their asses for every possibility:

1) Nothing will happen, and
2) Even if it does, it won’t be that bad, and
3) Even if it’s bad, it’s all Obama’s fault.

Derp trifecta!

Of course. When one severs the connection between reality and ones statements, one is liberated to produce talking points to cover all possibilities.

250 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:17:54pm

re: #242 Kragar

So I wore a suit today for probably the first time in the last 11 years.

…and boy, are my arms tired!

No, wait — that’s not it.

251 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:18:52pm

re: #237 EPR-radar

Meanwhile, some goon at RedState is nattering on about the “little Eichmanns” of the National Park Service.

Didn’t we crucify a certain faux-Indian professor for that back in ‘05?

252 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:19:03pm

re: #247 jaunte

Krugman:
“Republicans don’t care about the debt and never did, they only pretended to as an excuse to slash social insurance programs.”
krugman.blogs.nytimes.com

It’s a pity that Krugman didn’t make the point that all through the W Bush years, the GOP deliberately ran up the debt in order to eventually use it as an excuse to gut entitlements.

253 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:19:31pm

re: #251 Shiplord Kirel

Didn’t we crucify a certain faux-Indian professor for that back in ‘05?

IOKIYAR

254 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:19:49pm

re: #240 Dr Lizardo

well as long as they can do Cowboy BeBop I think that we’ll still be on the plus side, but ymmv as far as iconic anime may be concerned.

255 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:20:19pm

re: #242 Kragar

So I wore a suit today for probably the first time in the last 11 years.

i’m getting fitted for a trump suit

256 Mattand  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:20:50pm

re: #238 Dr Lizardo

He’ll make a great Senator, I’m sure.

One of my former students, who now works for the Czech National Bank - the central bank here - told me a short while ago that a mounting sense of panic is starting to take hold at the office.

She was asking me questions as though I have anything to do with US economic policy. Flattering, but not much I can say, to be honest.

I just told her it’s because a segment of one of our two major political parties has gone violently insane. She’s frankly flabbergasted that there’s Teahadis who think a debt default would be “no big deal”.

I labor under the impression that much of the civilized world looks at us like the heavily armed neighbor who scares the shit out of them when he’s on his meds.

It’s embarrassing as an American to see how this is playing out. I might be using the word wrong, but it’s seems like the GOP has gone from ultra conservative to straight out suicidal nihilism.

Someone else mentioned yesterday that this level of crazy took them by surprise; that they didn’t think the Tea Baggers were capable of this. I’ve often said that if the Republicans win back control of the country like they had from 2001-2007, we’re fucked.

I’m beginning to see now that I severely underestimated how fucked up these people are when I made those statements. There’s, what? 50 of them, 80 at most, causing this chaos?

Can you imagine having one of these psychos in the White House?

257 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:21:59pm

re: #254 piratedan

“Cowboy BeBop” is certainly a classic. Shame about “Project A-ko”, thus far at least; I’d love to get that on BlueRay.

258 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:22:11pm

re: #216 Dr Lizardo

That’s definitely a theory. If he throws in the towel now, the Teahadis will seek nothing less than his head on a platter. If he waits until the last possible moment, then he can claim ‘I had no choice but to do this in order to save the US economy’ or something along those lines.

At what point do the non-radicals in the GOP House want his head since a bunch of them are probably not in safe gerrymandered districts? Their re-election chances are going further and further down the drain along with the GOP brand the longer they allow Boehner to keep the hostage crisis running.

259 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:22:26pm

re: #239 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve never met such stone-hearted bastards as I did in the CA Republican Party. Texas Tealiban are mostly just ignorant, California Tealiban are consciously, gleefully evil.

CA free market fundamentalists are a puzzle —- after the energy deregulation disaster, one would think that anyone with even the most remote grasp of reality would accept the necessity of at least some regulation of business.

260 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:23:25pm

re: #256 Mattand

If the Teahadis get hold of power, America is finished.

It will become something like a cross between Galt’s Gulch and the Republic of Gilead.

261 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:24:27pm

re: #257 Dr Lizardo

I hear ya, but I only have so much cash I can toss at my anime collection per the much better half, so I have to be very careful on what I drop my dimes on.

262 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:24:55pm

re: #260 Dr Lizardo

If the Teahadis get hold of power, America is finished.

It will become something like a cross between Galt’s Gulch and the Republic of Gilead.

If a teahadi gets a hold of power, they’ve shown us how to deal with them. Ignore them and just play by your own rules.

263 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:25:04pm

re: #258 Feline Fearless Leader

RIght now they’re showing unity. That unity may begin to fray big time by next Monday, I’m thinking.

264 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:25:22pm

re: #256 Mattand

“Death cult” is more and more appropriate as a description for the teabaggers.

Moderate Republicans that enable these evil people need to face facts about what they are supporting with their mindless party loyalty.

265 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:26:06pm

re: #262 Kragar

If a teahadi gets a hold of power, they’ve shown us how to deal with them. Ignore them and just play by your own rules.

Heh. But if we ignore them, that’s treason.

Sick, sick bastards.

266 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:26:53pm

re: #261 piratedan

I hear ya, but I only have so much cash I can toss at my anime collection per the much better half, so I have to be very careful on what I drop my dimes on.

My day gets a little brighter whenever I play a DVD that is sufficiently old that I can just skip the FBI warning and go directly to the top menu.

267 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:27:05pm

John Boehner accuses Obama of asking for ‘unconditional surrender by Republicans’

Obama: “Put the gun down before you hurt yourself John.”
Boehner: “Screw you! You’re next!”

268 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:27:06pm

re: #264 EPR-radar

“Death cult” is more and more appropriate as a description for the teabaggers.

Moderate Republicans that enable these evil people need to face facts about what they are supporting with their mindless party loyalty.

The Tea Party; Al Qaeda meets People’s Temple.

269 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:28:04pm

re: #261 piratedan

I try to restrain myself. Even though I’m single, I try not to spend too much on the anime collection.

270 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:28:37pm

re: #266 EPR-radar

I have a few of those too…. it’s like sitting down and visiting with an old friend.

271 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:29:12pm

re: #268 Dr Lizardo

The Tea Party; Al Qaeda meets People’s Temple.

Right now, its about 100% Al Qaeda and 0% People’s Temple. I hope this balance flips, not-lethally, such that at least the teabagger version of movement conservatism ends up forever discredited.

272 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:29:46pm

I have to feed dogs and stuff…

273 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:30:10pm

re: #269 Dr Lizardo

well I have to admit, I’m a sucker for a good romantic/comedy but most any good story will do if the animation and voice acting isn’t a total trainwreck although I tend to prefer watching them subbed versus dubbed.

274 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:30:38pm

re: #271 EPR-radar

Same here.

275 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:31:18pm

re: #269 Dr Lizardo

I try to restrain myself. Even though I’m single, I try not to spend too much on the anime collection.

You know you have too many DVDs etc. when those dinky little specialty DVD storage solutions are completely pointless. On the other hand, bookcases work well.

276 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:31:36pm

re: #273 piratedan

well I have to admit, I’m a sucker for a good romantic/comedy but most any good story will do if the animation and voice acting isn’t a total trainwreck although I tend to prefer watching them subbed versus dubbed.

Lately, I’ve been watching “Black Lagoon”, “Welcome to the NHK” and “MariaHolic”.

All subbed…..I can understand Japanese pretty good, but it’s gotten rusty.

277 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:33:33pm

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

What about a different negotiation?

Talk to Pete Kings and his handful, and talk to McCain and his handful.

See if we can’t encourage a breakaway among people like King, who are in relatively safe seats.

We only need a breakaway of 16-20 House Rs, and another 5-6 Senators.

That looks to be doable. As for leadership in the House, we can just reenact what happened for the position of President pro Tempore of the Senate between 1911-1913.

From August 14, 1911 to March 3, 1913, the office of President pro tempore of the United States Senate for the 62nd Congress rotated among five individuals. The sitting Senate President pro tempore William P. Frye resigned due to ill health on April 27, 1911. The Senate at that time was split between progressive Republicans, conservative Republicans, and Democrats. Each put forth a candidate, and the ballots were deadlocked until August when a compromise was reached. Democratic candidate Augustus Bacon served as pro tempore for one day on August 14, 1911, and thereafter he and four Republicans rotated holding the seat for the remainder of the 62nd Congress.

The Speaker of the House would rotate between the Break-Offs, and the Democrats until the next election. Once every few months.

278 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:35:16pm

re: #276 Dr Lizardo

I enjoyed Black Lagoon, was a terrific blend of mayhem and soulfulness about one’s place in the world.

last series I picked up was a one cour Nazo X Kanojo, probably will pop for Working! and Servant X Service around the holidays. Trying to sift through the new fall season to see which shows I’ll follow online.

279 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:35:17pm

re: #275 EPR-radar

You know you have too many DVDs etc. when those dinky little specialty DVD storage solutions are completely pointless. On the other hand, bookcases work well.

I don’t bother with DVD jewel cases or racks; I just keep mine in a big disc notebook.

280 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:35:33pm

re: #242 Kragar

So I wore a suit today for probably the first time in the last 11 years.

Funeral or wedding?

281 Balfour Rage  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:36:51pm
282 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:38:12pm

re: #277 ProTARDISLiberal

I don’t know how well that would work. Politics is far more polarized now.

283 Mattand  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:38:26pm

re: #258 Feline Fearless Leader

At what point do the non-radicals in the GOP House want his head since a bunch of them are probably not in safe gerrymandered districts? Their re-election chances are going further and further down the drain along with the GOP brand the longer they allow Boehner to keep the hostage crisis running.

I wandered over to my former* Congressman Jon Runyan’s (R-NJ) FB page earlier. I was curious to see what’s going on over there. Seems to be half-and-half of ‘Pass a clean CR now” and “Keep up the good fight.”

There’s enough support for the shutdown for Runyan to comfortably walk back his earlier support for a clean CR.

Think about that for a minute. This is New Jersey; say what you will about us, but one thing we don’t have is a major Tea Bag infestation. From what I’m seeing, Runyan could help Boehner tank the economy and odds are he’d probably be easily re-elected.

Imagine what’s going on in Tea Party districts like Cruz’s or Ted Yoho’s in FL.

There’s a fairly sizable chunk of our own citizens who want their representatives to precipate a global economic disaster. Then factor in the DF’s of the country; the ‘moderate’ team players who shrug and go “Eh. Whaddya gonna do?”

We’re in trouble, kids. Maybe I’ve been reading too much Josh Marshall over at TPM, but man; this does not look good.

I hope I’m wrong. I will gladly accept any rotten tomatoes that are flung my way. But, fuck me. If Obama is counting on ‘independents’ and ‘moderate’ Republicans to do what’s right for the US, he might be as delusional as the Tea Baggers.

*We got gerrymandered out of his district, since our town was the source of most of the Democratic support.

284 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:38:58pm

re: #281 Balfour Rage

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And the future of healthcare in CruzWorld for 99% of the populace is “Get back to work you lazy good-for-nothing, you’re not sick!”
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285 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:39:07pm

re: #259 EPR-radar

CA free market fundamentalists are a puzzle —- after the energy deregulation disaster, one would think that anyone with even the most remote grasp of reality would accept the necessity of at least some regulation of business.

Puzzle solved.

286 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:39:58pm

re: #278 piratedan

I enjoyed Black Lagoon, was a terrific blend of mayhem and soulfulness about one’s place in the world.

last series I picked up was a one cour Nazo X Kanojo, probably will pop for Working! and Servant X Service around the holidays. Trying to sift through the new fall season to see which shows I’ll follow online.

What gets me with “Black Lagoon” is the otaku who are all like, “Oh, Revy’s so hot!”…….Revy’s a mentally unstable, nihilistic psychopathic mass-murderer who’s been killing people since she was a child.

That’s not sexy. That’s pants-shitting terrifying.

287 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:40:03pm

re: #282 Dr Lizardo

20 House Rs. That’s it.

288 Balfour Rage  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:40:08pm

I think Gov. Perry (R-Planet Wingnut) is the antichrist, but Cruz is the first alternate:

289 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:41:04pm

re: #281 Balfour Rage

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Ted’s speaking like an assclown who’s never seen the inside of an ER.

290 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:42:16pm

re: #286 Dr Lizardo

What gets me with “Black Lagoon” is the otaku who are all like, “Oh, Revy’s so hot!”…….Revy’s a mentally unstable, nihilistic psychopathic mass-murderer who’s been killing people since she was a child.

That’s not sexy. That’s pants-shitting terrifying.

All the women in Black Lagoon are scary.

291 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:42:50pm

re: #286 Dr Lizardo

well I did enjoy the mayhem, but I also thought that the self examination by the other two leads was noteworthy but part of the was because of the conflict that a psychopath like Revy introduced into their world. Kind of the “yeah, she’s psycho, but she does have a point and that scares me that I just acknowledged that” vibe that constantly was running trough the show, like what is moral, what is ethical and who am I to decide what those things are….

292 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:43:45pm

re: #290 Targetpractice

All the women in Black Lagoon are scary.

Yes, they are. Roberta was a trip. LOL.

293 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:43:48pm

‘Hurting the wrong people’: Families mourn fallen soldiers while fighting for benefits

oh indeed - then who are the ‘right’ people to hurt?

294 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:44:47pm

re: #291 piratedan

well I did enjoy the mayhem, but I also thought that the self examination by the other two leads was noteworthy but part of the was because of the conflict that a psychopath like Revy introduced into their world. Kind of the “yeah, she’s psycho, but she does have a point and that scares me that I just acknowledged that” vibe that constantly was running trough the show, like what is moral, what is ethical and who am I to decide what those things are….

I’m not as caught up on anime/manga as I would like, but Hellsing probably remains very hard to beat in terms of mayhem.

295 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:45:35pm

re: #293 dog philosopher

‘Hurting the wrong people’: Families mourn fallen soldiers while fighting for benefits

oh indeed - then who are the ‘right’ people to hurt?

Blah people.//

296 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:45:37pm

re: #291 piratedan

Very true.

One thing I caught instantly was in a conversation between Revy and Dutch, where he mentions her “….going Charles Whitman” and implying its what she does when she’s attracted to someone.

297 Balfour Rage  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:45:39pm

re: #283 Mattand

I live in a deep, deep red county in Texas (Montgomery County; just north of Harris County which is where Houston is) and they are absolutely full metal wingnut around here in their support of Cruz, Tea Party, et al. I had a back-and-forth with a wingnut cousin (this cousin, by the way, without any evidence whatsoever believes that Harry Reid “stole” his election from Sharon Angle.) about the ACA last week, and he really believes that Cruz is about principle. I replied that principle argument is bullshit considering that Cruz’s PAC was holding a $2500-a-plate fundraiser with a live feed of Cruz’s 21-hour tantrum on the Senate floor, therefore the entire episode was a fundraising scheme/red meat for the base and nothing more. That shut him up.

298 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:46:21pm

either we will go over the deth ceiling cliff or boehner will sei a mensch, bite the bullet, and endanger his job

299 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:46:24pm

re: #280 aagcobb

Funeral or wedding?

Interview

300 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:47:24pm

re: #281 Balfour Rage

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Next time Cruz goes out to a restaurant, he should try the chicken…

301 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:48:05pm

re: #288 Balfour Rage

302 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:48:15pm

re: #294 EPR-radar

I’m not as caught up on anime/manga as I would like, but Hellsing probably remains very hard to beat in terms of mayhem.

“You’re strong now, so no more being a medic. Here, use this anti-tank rifle!”

;)

303 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:48:43pm

re: #301 Kragar

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Healthcare under GOP: “If they’re going to die, then they had better do it! And decrease the surplus population!”

304 Balfour Rage  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:49:25pm

re: #301 Kragar

Need health insurance? MAKE MORE MONEY!!!

305 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:49:33pm

re: #302 Feline Fearless Leader

“You’re strong now, so no more being a medic. Here, use this anti-tank rifle!”

;)

Of course, the anti-tank rifle was basically a set of training wheels for use until she learned to really cut loose.

306 klys  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:50:01pm

re: #303 Targetpractice

Healthcare under GOP: “If they’re going to die, then they had better do it! And decrease the surplus population!”

Healthcare under GOP: If you aren’t skilled enough to justify your employer paying your health insurance, you don’t deserve to have any because you have no economic worth.

307 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:50:02pm

re: #299 Kragar

Interview

Job interview?

308 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:50:46pm

re: #307 aagcobb

Job interview?

Talking to recruiters/headhunters, trying to find a position up in Los Angeles

309 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:51:13pm

re: #303 Targetpractice

Healthcare under GOP: “If they’re going to die, then they had better do it! And decrease the surplus population!”

And people objected when Alan Grayson said this:

The Republicans’ health care plan for America: “Don’t get sick.” That’s right — don’t get sick. If you have insurance, don’t get sick; if you don’t have insurance, don’t get sick; if you’re sick, don’t get sick — just don’t get sick! That’s what the Republicans have in mind for you, America. That’s the Republicans’ health care plan. But I think that the Republicans understand that that plan isn’t always going to work — it’s not a foolproof plan. So the Republicans have a backup plan, in case you do get sick. If you get sick in America, this is what the Republicans want you to do. If you get sick, America, the Republican health care plan is this: “Die quickly.” That’s right. The Republicans want you to die quickly if you get sick.

310 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:51:26pm

re: #294 EPR-radar

I not as caught up on anime/manga as I would like, but Hellsing probably remains very hard to beat in terms of mayhem.

depends on your mayhem factor I suppose….

I mean on one side you have FLCL and something like School Rumble although you could probably classify the later as more manic than mayhem. I regards to violence the possibilities are endless but titles like Gungrave certainly come to mind as well as Deadman Wonderland and Mirai Nikki. For psychological mind twisters, I would state that Paranoia Agent really fits the bill, as does Death Note

still, that’s what I like about anime, rules can be busted although I have to admit, I can’t make some of the intuitive leaps that some series demand.

311 Stoatly  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:51:55pm

re: #170 Mattand

We (and by ‘we’, I mean ‘I’) demand links.

Too funny.

Trucknuts

UPDATE
Conlon is now telling the Washington Post that his plans to block traffic on the Beltway are actually just a gigantic act of trolling. “The comments to U.S. News were designed to do one thing and one thing only: stir the feather of the mainstream media,” Conlon told the Post. “Nothing gets the attention of the mainstream media like some sort of disastrous threat. I knew it was going to ruffle some feathers.”

Bolding mine

312 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:52:34pm

re: #308 Kragar

Talking to recruiters/headhunters, trying to find a position up in Los Angeles

Good luck!

313 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:53:07pm

re: #310 piratedan

depends on your mayhem factor I suppose….

I mean on one side you have FLCL and something like School Rumble although you could probably classify the later as more manic than mayhem. I regards to violence the possibilities are endless but titles like Gungrave certainly come to mind as well as Deadman Wonderland and Mirai Nikki. For psychological mind twisters, I would state that Paranoia Agent really fits the bill, as does Death Note

still, that’s what I like about anime, rules can be busted although I have to admit, I can’t make some of the intuitive leaps that some series demand.

Paranoia Agent was one of the most brilliant anime I’ve ever seen.

RIP, Satoshi Kon. He was a visionary.

314 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:57:43pm

re: #311 Stoatly

Trucknuts

Bolding mine

Greenwald School of Journalism - if you can’t find a story, create one.

315 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:58:34pm

re: #313 Dr Lizardo

If you liked his work, I would urge you to pick up a copy of Paprika, I think it was his best feature, at least his most cohesive one

316 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:58:43pm

A few people responding to that noted the dog whistle… yeah, this is the GOP alright. Extreme and proud of their insouciance, intolerance, and lack of empathy for anyone who may rely on the safety net including their own constituents.

317 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 3:59:32pm

re: #315 piratedan

If you liked his work, I would urge you to pick up a copy of Paprika, I think it was his best feature, at least his most cohesive one

I have Paprika on BlueRay. One of the best anime films of all time, in my book.

318 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:00:05pm

Okay, out of curiosity, how livable is Indonesia?

319 darthstar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:00:25pm
320 psddluva4evah  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:01:27pm
321 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:01:44pm

re: #316 lawhawk

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Such utter horseshit. Where was this concern for the debt when they were setting up Medicare Part D, passing two tax cut packages, leading us into two unnecessary wars, and refusing any sort of talk about tackling the debt?

322 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:02:00pm

re: #317 Dr Lizardo

agreed, talk about effective use of the medium… just wow!!!!!!!…

323 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:02:54pm

re: #322 piratedan

agreed, talk about effective use of the medium… just wow!!!!!!!…

The soundtrack by Susumu Hirasawa is a masterpiece in its own right as well.

324 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:08:07pm

Oh sweet zombie Jeebus. Now I’m seeing “Obummer allowed an immigrant rally while the national parks are closed!” derp all over the damn place.

SMH

325 EmmaAnne  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:09:10pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

I wish this Emelio guy would label his pictures. I never know what the hell they are.

326 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:09:12pm

re: #324 Lidane

Oh sweet zombie Jeebus. Now I’m seeing “Obummer allowed an immigrant rally while the national parks are closed!” derp all over the damn place.

SMH

200 people got arrested. Doesn’t that placate the wingnuts?

/nothing does….

327 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:09:17pm

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

The soundtrack by Susumu Hirasawa is a masterpiece in its own right as well.

well just like anything else, when all aspects of a film are working in anime, I find it completely enthralling, just like a good book or a good album, you step into that world and immerse yourself in it.

last good feature length anime that I got lost in was Summer Wars

328 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:10:44pm

Blasphemy: A law designed to protect an all-powerful supernatural deity from getting its feelings hurt. - Ricky Gervais

329 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:11:10pm
330 erik_t  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:11:53pm

re: #324 Lidane

Oh sweet zombie Jeebus. Now I’m seeing “Obummer allowed an immigrant rally while the national parks are closed!” derp all over the damn place.

SMH

What, the allowed immigrant rally where a bunch of participating Democratic congressmen were arrested? That allowed rally?

(frankly, some derp does not deserve intellectually honest rebuke)

331 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:11:55pm
332 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:14:14pm

re: #327 piratedan

well just like anything else, when all aspects of a film are working in anime, I find it completely enthralling, just like a good book or a good album, you step into that world and immerse yourself in it.

last good feature length anime that I got lost in was Summer Wars

Very true. I showed a friend of mine here, Eva is her name, Akira for the first time a few weeks back.

She commented afterwards that within 10 minutes of viewing, she completely forgot she was watching an animated film. She was utterly blown away.

That’s one of the reasons Akira is so widely regarded as a masterpiece.

333 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:14:57pm

re: #87 Shiplord Kirel

That reminds me of an OT.
Among other things, Conservapedia is noted for its attacks on the Theory of Relativity, stupidly conflating it with moral and cultural relativism and dismissing it as a liberal hoax.
It turns out there is a long history of politically framed right-wing attacks on Relativity. I was researching pre-war American fascists the other day and came across an example from Elizabeth Dilling, the noted antisemitic and anti-communist writer whose works play a seminal role in the ideology of the John Birch Society and the rest of what we know today as the hard right.
In A Who’s Who of Radicalism for Patriots (1934), Dilling linked Albert Einstein to various communists and wrote “”married to Russian; his much press-agented relativity theory is supposedly beyond the intelligence of almost everyone except himself.” She also tried to justify the Nazi seizure of Einstein’s property in Germany, claiming it was done because he was a communist.
As a matter of fact, it is a press-generated myth that relativity is beyond the understanding of all but a handful of people, and Einstein certainly never made such a claim himself. Dilling can be excused her ignorance of science (though not her bigotry) but the editors of Conservapedia have no such excuse: Relativity is as firmly established as the velocity of light. Among other things, GPS would not work if relativistic factors were omitted from the calculations.

Conservatives have a special talent for preserving derp from long ago and transmitting it, unimpaired or preferably amplified, to future generations.

334 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:16:03pm


A greater crisis than the government shutdown, they mean. A good essay.

335 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:16:04pm

re: #333 EPR-radar

Conservatives have a special talent for preserving derp from long ago and transmitting it, unimpaired or preferably amplified, to future generations.

Exhibit A: The Tea Party, recycling John Birch Society propaganda since 2008.

336 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:16:33pm

re: #216 Dr Lizardo

That’s definitely a theory. If he throws in the towel now, the Teahadis will seek nothing less than his head on a platter. If he waits until the last possible moment, then he can claim ‘I had no choice but to do this in order to save the US economy’ or something along those lines.

Yeah, he’ll say he had to save the country from evil Obama and the democrats. It’s all their fault I had to do my job. Whaaaaaaaaa!

337 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:18:20pm

re: #222 Mattand

I cannot even fathom what kind of mindset it requires to risk global economic disaster, just so you can keep your Speakership.

Ever heard the phrase drunk with power?

In this case, literally and figuratively.

338 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:19:50pm

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

If the GOP gets anymore cartoonishly evil, they’ll have no choice but to run this fellow for President in 2016:

Image: 01-snidely-whiplash.jpg

Snidely is Canadian.

339 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:20:37pm

re: #338 Vicious Babushka

Snidely is Canadian.

So Ted Cruz is, in reality, Snidely Whiplash!

340 Weet  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:21:31pm

ACA systems a technological disaster?

I have not tried it myself, other than to view the first few pages. Here someone writes a critique. Anybody else tried it?

Sent to me by my sister-in-law today.

Healthcare.gov is a Technological Disaster

341 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:21:49pm

re: #336 ObserverArt

Yeah, he’ll say he had to save the country from evil Obama and the democrats. It’s all their fault I had to do my job. Whaaaaaaaaa!

If it comes to that, it’s Boehner’s exit strategy.

It probably won’t work with the Teahadis though.

342 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:22:27pm

re: #332 Dr Lizardo

I would agree, although some folks might argue that Evangelion is the best/better but I’m not one of them. I think the Akira soundtrack helps to separate it, not to say that Eva sucks, I just found Akira much more compelling.

343 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:26:06pm

So stressed right now. :(

344 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:26:13pm

re: #340 Weet

ACA systems a technological disaster?

I have not tried it myself, other than to view the first few pages. Here someone writes a critique. Anybody else tried it?

Sent to me by my sister-in-law today.

Healthcare.gov is a Technological Disaster

There is no greater FAIL than rolling out an application to production and laying off the entire tech support team on the same day. WTF did you expect?

345 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:26:16pm

re: #342 piratedan

I would agree, although some folks might argue that Evangelion is the best/better but I’m not one of them. I think the Akira soundtrack helps to separate it, not to say that Eva sucks, I just found Akira much more compelling.

Heh. My ex-wife used to complain that anime was nothing more than girls with unnaturally large eyes, over-inflated boobs and guns. So, figuring it was just easier to show her that anime is more than that, one day when we both had a mutual day off, I showed her Grave Of The Fireflies.

She was blubbering by the end of it. And she admitted her earlier assessment of the genre was perhaps mistaken.

346 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:26:33pm

fox new headline

FOX NEWS POLL: Majority against debt ceiling raise

detail from the poll

Do you think most Americans will be better off or worse off under the new health care law, or will the new law not make much of a difference to most Americans across the country?

better off 41%
worse off 40%
no difference 11%
fish 7%

Recently Texas Senator Ted Cruz gave a 21-hour speech on the Senate floor to make the case to get rid of the new health care law. Setting aside how you feel about the law, do you think his actions helped his cause or hurt his cause — or haven’t you heard enough about it to say?

helped 19%
hurt 36%

As you may know, some lawmakers in Congress are trying to cut off funding for the health care law. (Some/Other) people say this is an important effort, whether or not they have the votes. (Some/Other) people say it is a waste of time and effort because Republicans know they do not have enough votes. Who do you agree with more?

Those who say it is an important effort 46%
Those who say it is a waste of time and effort 46%

Do you favor or oppose cutting off funding for the health care law from the federal budget?

favor 41%
oppose 53%

In the end, do you believe the health care law will be repealed or defunded, or will it be remain in place?

It will be repealed or defunded 27%
It will remain the law 64%

Do you think a partial shutdown of the federal government could be a good thing or is it definitely a bad thing?

Could be a good thing 30%
Definitely a bad thing 67%
Fish 3%

Who do you think is most responsible for the federal government shutdown?

Republican leaders, such as John Boehner 25%
Tea Party Republicans, such as Ted Cruz 17%
Democratic leaders, such as Harry Reid 8%
President Barack Obama 24%
(All/Combination) 20%
Fish 5%

(total by party: republicans 42% democrats 32%)

among ‘independants’ this breaks down to: republicans 40% democrats 27%

347 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:27:04pm

Wiles: Government Shutdown Is Racist Against White People

“Is the racist Obama administration specifically targeting conservative white people for shutdowns and evictions? I really think so. I think he is deliberately trying to provoke an outbreak of anger.”

“Have you noticed that the only people being shut down or evicted are white Americans?” Wiles asked, saying that white veterans are getting the shaft while Obama is helping black welfare recipients. “Please tell me how all those welfare people living in federally-owned housing complexes are still there during the shutdown?”

He claimed that if the government shutdown closes national parks then it should result in the closure of the White House too: “And what about Barry Soetoro and his little wifey Michelle? They’re living rent-free in a federally owned house at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Somebody ought to remove them, send some National Park Service police officers over there to remove the Obamas, shut that place down too.”

What a vile disgusting sack of racist shit.

348 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:29:40pm

re: #343 ProTARDISLiberal

So stressed right now. :(

Deeps breaths. Walk outside. Drink a glass of water. Write (on paper).

349 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:30:21pm

The shutdown in terms of checkers:

Image: WiyldWL.jpg

350 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:31:03pm

re: #348 wrenchwench

I’ve been doing the writing thing.

I am seeing my future evaporate. Not only that, I now have to consider Ex-Pat-ing.

351 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:31:35pm

re: #345 Dr Lizardo

Heh. My ex-wife used to complain that anime was nothing more than girls with unnaturally large eyes, over-inflated boobs and guns. So, figuring it was just easier to show her that anime is more than that, one day when we both had a mutual day off, I showed her Grave Of The Fireflies.

She was blubbering by the end of it. And she admitted her earlier assessment of the genre was perhaps mistaken.

well that’s not to say that there isn’t a fair share of big eyed-overly developed chesty girls in a certain segment of anime (and a highly profitable one I might add too) but hell, you could say the same thing about TV or movies. There are good stories out there, just a matter of shopping effectively for them. Although I do concede her point that thru the 90’s, the anime stylings of the overly vertical oval occulars got to be tedious but not all fashion trends are good ones.

352 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:32:59pm

re: #350 ProTARDISLiberal

I’ve been doing the writing thing.

I am seeing my future evaporate. Not only that, I now have to consider Ex-Pat-ing.

I have three siblings who have lived outside the US most of their lives. It is not a hardship for them.

Your future is what you make of it. Sure, you don’t have control over all the elements, but guess what? Nobody does.

353 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:35:41pm

re: #351 piratedan

well that’s not to say that there isn’t a fair share of big eyed-overly developed chesty girls in a certain segment of anime (and a highly profitable one I might add too) but hell, you could say the same thing about TV or movies. There are good stories out there, just a matter of shopping effectively for them. Although I do concede her point that thru the 90’s, the anime stylings of the overly vertical oval occulars got to be tedious but not all fashion trends are good ones.

Exactly. It’s like any mass-market entertainment product; a lot of it is crap, some of it’s truly awful, but there are some gems.

354 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:37:14pm

re: #353 Dr Lizardo

good talking with you Doc, have to go afk and live in the reality of the moment for a while….

take care all

355 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:40:14pm

re: #354 piratedan

good talking with you Doc, have to go afk and live in the reality of the moment for a while….

take care all

Cool. Meatworld beckons.

356 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:42:03pm

re: #352 wrenchwench

What places would you think of me going.

Moderate Muslim Nations is the key.

That or tolerant places otherwise.

357 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:44:10pm

re: #356 ProTARDISLiberal

What places would you think of me going.

Moderate Muslim Nations is the key.

That or tolerant places otherwise.

The only Muslim nation I’ve been to is Turkey. It is wonderful. I loved Greece too.

I’d advise a big dose of patience. Are you still starting a job soon, or is that part of the evaporated future?

358 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:45:27pm

re: #357 wrenchwench

I’m afraid a default would kill the job I have lined up in OKC.

359 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:45:27pm

Turkey is nice.

Berlin is good; lots of Muslims there, mostly of the Turkish variety. Lots of mosques as well.

That’s where I encountered the Sufis. They have a pretty good-sized presence in Berlin.

360 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:46:33pm

re: #356 ProTARDISLiberal

What places would you think of me going.

Moderate Muslim Nations is the key.

That or tolerant places otherwise.

bali is a hindu enclave in a muslim sea, and has a reputation of being a beautiful and inexpensive place to live

361 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:46:36pm

Ladies and gentlemen, I bring you the GOP:

Image: uruL1rA.png

publicpolicypolling.com

That’s right. More Republicans think that Muslims are covertly implementing Sharia Law in American court systems than don’t.

That’s the party you’ve made, Republicans. With all your little deals with the devil, ignoring the fundies, the bigots, the uninformed, because they’re allies in cutting spending and cutting taxes. It’s not the crazies that really fucking annoy me, it’s the Republicans who should have seen this coming, the Republicans who got told over and over that their party was radicalizing.

I cannot fucking remember how many times a ‘moderate’ Republican friend told me the abortion issue was just fundraising, and the GOP wouldn’t want to try to ban abortions because then they couldn’t fundraise off of it. It was always stupid logic and guess what, it turned out to be total bullshit.

And now you’ve got a party where 42% are bigots. And the goddamn democrats have 12% bigots and that sucks too, but goddamn, Republicans. 42% of you are either incredibly ill-informed or conspiracy theorists or, worse, avoid knowing the truth so you can keep on being bigots.

362 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:47:16pm

re: #359 Dr Lizardo

Thing is, Turkey has Erdogan, who is dismantling the current system, and is trying to turn Turkey into some sort of Ottoman Empire, except nastier.

Hell, the Ottomans as a whole would look down on Erdogan.

363 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:48:00pm

re: #358 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m afraid a default would kill the job I have lined up in OKC.

Fear about the future is a waste of time and energy. Too much of that and you won’t be ready for what does happen.

Work on bettering yourself in what ever way you feel is important. Are you ready to move and start that job?

364 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:50:43pm

re: #363 wrenchwench

Calling people in OKC for recommendations on Apartments.

Also, planning what needs to be bought and sold.

I have a shit-ton of things I don’t need anymore that I got when younger. That could get me a bit of money.

365 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:51:44pm

re: #362 ProTARDISLiberal

He seems to have bought into the whole idea of some greater Turkish-Islamic Union. That idea is broadly supported by the Turks I met in Berlin. They love the idea. Even the Sufis.

Milli Görüs is quite popular among the Berlin Turkish Muslim community.

366 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:52:30pm

re: #359 Dr Lizardo

Turkey is nice.

Berlin is good; lots of Muslims there, mostly of the Turkish variety. Lots of mosques as well.

That’s where I encountered the Sufis. They have a pretty good-sized presence in Berlin.

I have a brother in Berlin. He went to visit 28 years ago and has been there (or near there in a commune east of the last eastern train stop) ever since. His two daughters grew up there, moved away, and one moved back (after a couple of years at Barnard and half a year in Argentina). I can’t believe I’ve only visited him there once. But I don’t get out much, and he’s never been to New Mexico.

367 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:54:17pm

re: #364 ProTARDISLiberal

Calling people in OKC for recommendations on Apartments.

Also, planning what needs to be bought and sold.

I have a shit-ton of things I don’t need anymore that I got when younger. That could get me a bit of money.

Sounds like a couple of good projects. Find out every detail you can about your new work place, too.

How’s your work wardrobe?

368 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 4:58:24pm

Evening Lizards!

Anything happen today? No?

Color me shocked. That weird orange-colored Boehner is a doing a helluva job, isn’t he?

369 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:00:11pm

re: #343 ProTARDISLiberal

So stressed right now. :(

Breathe.

370 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:05:51pm

re: #350 ProTARDISLiberal

I’ve been doing the writing thing.

I am seeing my future evaporate. Not only that, I now have to consider Ex-Pat-ing.

You react too severely. Try taking the middle road.

371 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:06:52pm

This is CNN, so take it w/a grain of salt—a big grain.

46 minutes ago
Senior House GOP source: Short term debt ceiling may be way out

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

Washington (CNN) - The door the White House appears to have opened to a short-term debt ceiling increase may be a temporary way out of the standoff, a senior House Republican told CNN.

“The Republicans may be willing to go for a short-term debt ceiling increase as long as the president agrees to use that time to negotiate, the source told CNN Chief Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash.”

The source, of course, is not named.

372 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:09:33pm

re: #371 Justanotherhuman

This is CNN, so take it w/a grain of salt—a big grain.

46 minutes ago
Senior House GOP source: Short term debt ceiling may be way out

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

Washington (CNN) - The door the White House appears to have opened to a short-term debt ceiling increase may be a temporary way out of the standoff, a senior House Republican told CNN.

“The Republicans may be willing to go for a short-term debt ceiling increase as long as the president agrees to use that time to negotiate, the source told CNN Chief Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash.”

The source, of course, is not named.

More convincing themselves that if they hold out a bit longer Obama will cave and they will win everything.

373 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:10:59pm

re: #371 Justanotherhuman

This is CNN, so take it w/a grain of salt—a big grain.

46 minutes ago
Senior House GOP source: Short term debt ceiling may be way out

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

Washington (CNN) - The door the White House appears to have opened to a short-term debt ceiling increase may be a temporary way out of the standoff, a senior House Republican told CNN.

“The Republicans may be willing to go for a short-term debt ceiling increase as long as the president agrees to use that time to negotiate, the source told CNN Chief Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash.”

The source, of course, is not named.

“Short-term”? Anything shorter than 6 months is just kicking the can down the road.

374 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:11:15pm

re: #367 wrenchwench

Business Casual.

When I was a young idiot, I got a shit-ton of Pokemon Cards. Need to get rid of them. Along with a handful of GB and GBA games.

375 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:16:07pm

But note that it’s just talking of a debt ceiling increase/suspension, not an end to the shutdown. So it’s not the end to the hostage crisis, just a promise that one of the hostages won’t get his brains blown out for a little longer.

376 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:16:24pm
377 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:17:52pm

Republicans, SOS, DD.

378 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:19:03pm

re: #377 Justanotherhuman

Republicans, SOS, DD.

[Embedded content]

Cue the whines about Democrats are “vindictive,” want to keep shutdown painful for federal workers, and Republicans are suddenly defenders of public employees.

379 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:19:19pm

re: #372 Feline Fearless Leader

More convincing themselves that if they hold out a bit longer Obama will cave and they will win everything.

Yeah, and they’re using Republicans at CNN to get their bullshit out.

380 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:22:37pm

Charlie Pierce is on Hayes’ program. This ought to be good.

381 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:24:22pm

Republicans are in “…centers of power that answer to no one.” Pierce.

382 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:31:10pm

Pierce said the Republican Party is “fractured” and has no leadership, like Jim Baker, who would pull them into a room and tell them to “cut it out” and get something done. Instead, they are in “…centers of power that answer to no one.”

Scary, isn’t it? Because I think we know where those “centers of power” are, and they’re not democratic in nature.

383 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:34:53pm

re: #382 Justanotherhuman

Pierce said the Republican Party is “fractured” and has no leadership, like Jim Baker, who would pull them into a room and tell them to “cut it out” and get something done. Instead, they are in “…centers of power that answer to no one.”

Scary, isn’t it? Because I think we know where those “centers of power” are, and they’re not democratic in nature.

Snorting Koch?

384 Balfour Rage  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:36:06pm

This is absolutely hilarious:

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) raised the ante in the battle over the Affordable Care Act on Sunday, telling CNN’s Candy Crowley that “destroying the entire planet is really the best and only way to stop Obamacare.”

“Look, I’m in favor of shutting down the government and not raising the debt ceiling, but let’s not kid ourselves. Those are only half measures,” he told Crowley. “If we are really serious about stopping Obamacare, we’ll destroy the entire planet.”

Explaining his proposal to a visibly alarmed Crowley, Senator Cruz said, “Obamacare is like a parasite that needs a host to feed on. If you want to kill the parasite you kill the host, and in this case that means killing this planet. As long as there’s a planet Earth, the nightmare of Obamacare could always come screaming back to life.”

While he was not specific about how he would go about destroying the planet, Cruz said, “This is something that my colleagues and I have been working on for some time.”

The Texas senator refused to speculate on whether there were enough votes in Congress to support his proposal of obliterating Earth, but he ended his interview on a personal note: “Candy, I don’t want my children and my children’s children to live in a world with Obamacare. And the best way to guarantee that is by destroying the world.”

385 Balfour Rage  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:37:51pm

re: #381 Justanotherhuman

Republicans are in “…centers of power that answer to no one.” Pierce.

In an echo chamber of Fox News that answers to no one except their lunatic, wacko base of Tea Party know-nothing fanatics.

386 Stanley Sea  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:41:49pm

re: #378 Targetpractice

Cue the whines about Democrats are “vindictive,” want to keep shutdown painful for federal workers, and Republicans are suddenly defenders of public employees.

Makes me queasy.

387 psddluva4evah  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:47:41pm

Ok, I read this and laughed, cause now I think POTUS is trolling some of his “supporters”. Off da record conversations…here come all the conspiracy theorist from the left.

Obama meets with 4 conservative columnist

I’m with Booman here: What Was That About?

I wonder what the president had in mind this afternoon when he sat down with conservative writers Paul Gigot, Kathleen Parker, Charles Krauthammer, Robert Costa, and Byron York? I’m betting that he was less hoping to influence what they write than influence what they say privately to Republican lawmakers.

He probably wants to send an indirect message that he isn’t going to fold to bolster what he’s been saying directly, but he needs credible messengers.

- See more at: boomantribune.com

388 Weet  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:56:12pm

re: #344 Vicious Babushka

There is no greater FAIL than rolling out an application to production and laying off the entire tech support team on the same day. WTF did you expect?

Thank you for the info! I did not even know that the tech support team was ‘shutdown’. However, as a 28 year CSE, I have loads of experience in every phase of system development and management. I wonder who this was outsourced to, as they apparently have done a terrible job in design, implementation, etc. All of my analysis is dependent upon whether this article is correct. I was wondering if anyone here has had a different result when using the system. I see things equally this bad in the business world, and have hundreds of stories I could tell. But this report is disappointing at the least!

389 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:19:06pm

re: #359 Dr Lizardo

Turkey is nice.

Berlin is good; lots of Muslims there, mostly of the Turkish variety. Lots of mosques as well.

That’s where I encountered the Sufis. They have a pretty good-sized presence in Berlin.

If you really find it necessary, I can say that I loved Germany during the times I spent there. My time was down south - Bavaria - but I’d easily recommend Berlin too. Otherwise, hang in there or move someplace with a larger population - both absolute and Muslim.

390 Stoatly  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:40:49pm

re: #356 ProTARDISLiberal

London has various Muslim communities among all the variety there (and Muslims who don’t think of themselves as part of a particular community) - there are a few nutters of course but nothing like the problems and lack of mixing of the former mill towns further north
Great city in many ways, I loved living there, and I couldn’t wait to leave! It’s not tranquil or cheap


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