Kris Kobach, Notorious SB 1070 Racist, Laying Groundwork for Two-Tier Voting System

So are Ken Bennett and Tom Horne of Arizona.
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Kris Kobach (AP Photo/Orlin Wagner)

With court action over the state’s proof-of-citizenship voting law looming, Secretary of State Kris Kobach is laying groundwork for a system that would allow some voters to vote in all elections while others could only vote for Congress and presidential tickets.

Rep. Jim Ward, D-Wichita, an opponent of the proof-of-citizenship law, said he received confirmation from the Department of Legislative Research this week that Kobach is moving forward with the plan to limit voters who follow federal registration rules to voting only in federal elections.

Separately, a memo to all the state’s county election officials outlines procedures for identifying and tracking voters who use the federal form and creating a separate category for them in voting databases.

[…]

More: Kris Kobach Laying Groundwork for Two-Tier Voting System in Kansas

CuriousLurker noticed that this needed to be Paged. She linked to this TPM article. It’s good, but I find the issues better explained in this article in the Wichita Eagle which preceded the one above.

Kansas is teaming with Arizona on a lawsuit to save controversial laws requiring people to prove they’re citizens when they register to vote.

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach and Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett filed a lawsuit Wednesday that could bring the state laws into compliance with a ruling the U.S. Supreme Court handed down in June.

The lawsuit came a week after the American Civil Liberties Union signaled plans to challenge the Kansas citizenship requirement, which has already blocked the registration of more than 15,000 would-be voters.

[…]

Read the rest here for clear background information: kansas.com, then read the one at the top for the latest scheming.

Kris Kobach wrote the Arizona law that was passed as SB 1070. See the tag for him below for more details. He was also Mitt Romney’s campaign adviser on immigration issues.

Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne was behind the successful effort to shut down the Mexican-American Studies program in Tucson, Arizona. See his tag for more about that.

Ken Bennett, Arizona Secretary of State, denied that he’s a ‘birther’, yet tried to get Obama taken off of the Arizona ballot ‘at the behest of a constituent’. He was Mitt Romney’s campaign co-chair in Arizona. He’s now running for governor of Arizona.

These three men have proven that they work with and for racists. Should I mention that they are Republicans? I guess that would be redundant.

The Arizona Republic had an editorial against this madness:

Nice voting trick, boys, but it won’t work

Our View: Scheme creates separate-but-unequal voting system

[…]

Changing the federal form so all Arizona voters meet the same requirements to register would be one way out of a problem — if we had a problem with non-citizens voting, which we don’t.

Meanwhile, Bennett and Thomas will take credit for a confusing dual-registration system that is likely to reduce voter turnout, but help them in their respective primaries.

Tricky. But not good for Arizona.

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403 comments
1 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:19:56pm

Thanks, CL!

2 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:32:09pm

Thanks, Charles!

3 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:39:12pm

Kobach is getting serious money from somewhere to spread this toxic xenophobic shit, and its initials are K.O.C.H.

4 Carlos Danger  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:43:10pm

The deep South was a paragon of freedom in the 1910s! //

5 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:44:35pm

This is beyond blatant.

6 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:47:06pm

I see some lawsuits in their future.

7 kirkspencer  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:47:46pm

I expect the two-tier system to go to the supreme court. The only question is how long it takes, because if it takes long enough the confusion will be enough on its own to suppress votes.

8 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:48:00pm

re: #5 Varek Raith

This is beyond blatant.

Of course. This GOP has no interest in having people vote.

If the midterm electorate in 2014 is stupid enough to leave Republicans in charge of states like PA and WS, we’ll see GOP state legislatures give electoral votes to the (R) presidential candidate in 2016.

This would be perfectly legal, but reprehensible as hell.

9 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:50:16pm

re: #7 kirkspencer

I expect the two-tier system to go to the supreme court. The only question is how long it takes, because if it takes long enough the confusion will be enough on its own to suppress votes.

Given the recent VRA decision out of this supreme court, there is no guarantee that this would be struck down.

Few things make conservative jurists happier than ignoring racism while fondling a lucky rabbits foot fetish labeled “Federalism”.

10 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:54:45pm

The GOP agenda couldn’t be more obvious if you surrounded it with flashing (white!) neon signs.

They know they’re dying a demographic death and that if patterns hold, they won’t be anything more than a regional white evangelical party with no national relevance. Ergo, they have to try and keep as many people from voting as possible.

11 sagehen  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:58:24pm

Separate but equal!!

12 kirkspencer  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:58:33pm

re: #9 EPR-radar

Given the recent VRA decision out of this supreme court, there is no guarantee that this would be struck down.

Few things make conservative jurists happier than ignoring racism while fondling a lucky rabbits foot fetish labeled “Federalism”.

Actually, given the VRA decision it would be likely to be struck down.

The thing that got the conservative boxers in a twist was that the gist of the decision was that racism existed but the measurements taken in the past need updated.

13 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 6:59:44pm

re: #10 Lidane

The GOP agenda couldn’t be more obvious if you surrounded it with flashing (white!) neon signs.

They know they’re dying a demographic death and that if patterns hold, they won’t be anything more than a regional white evangelical party with no national relevance. Ergo, they have to try and keep as many people from voting as possible.

It’s a game with diminishing returns. The harder they work to keep the deck stacked in their favor, the more obvious they become, and the more they alienate the people they’re trying to keep from the polls. It’s ironic, the very actions they’re taking to keep their asses in power are the one are spelling eventual electoral doom.

14 piratedan  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:00:50pm

re: #12 kirkspencer

Actually, given the VRA decision it would be likely to be struck down.

The thing that got the conservative boxers in a twist was that the gist of the decision was that racism existed but the measurements taken in the past need updated.

they’re doing a helluva job indicating just why the VRA was needed, these guys and Texas and North Carolina…. you just drop your glasses down your nose and raise your eyebrows at the Supreme Court and ask… like you guys didn’t see THIS coming?

15 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:04:25pm

re: #12 kirkspencer

Actually, given the VRA decision it would be likely to be struck down.

The thing that got the conservative boxers in a twist was that the gist of the decision was that racism existed but the measurements taken in the past need updated.

That ‘reasoning’ is probably what got Kennedy on board for the VRA gutting. With less of a track record on this specific issue, Kennedy is probably more free to indulge in Federalism wankery.

16 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:12:24pm

The thing I find fascinating and revolting (in equal measure) about this stuff is that they really seem to believe they only lose because of brown people.

17 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:13:48pm

Hey, give me a crash course on how to player Team Fortress 2 and actually be effective?

18 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:14:42pm

re: #16 bratwurst

Don’t forget losing women. I was once a Republican. More out of habit than any inclination to agree with them. I thought I could help keep them a bit more to the left, but found that I simply could not belong to a party that endorsed torture.

19 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:15:04pm

re: #11 sagehen

Separate but equal!!

Because that worked so well with Jim Crow.

20 Stanley Sea  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:18:10pm

Sorry to go OT, but anyone who watches football probably should not miss this on PBS/Frontline tonight. I’m patientlyyyyyyy waiting for 9 pm.

21 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:18:42pm

OMG!

22 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:19:55pm

re: #18 calochortus

Don’t forget losing women. I was once a Republican. More out of habit than any inclination to agree with them. I thought I could help keep them a bit more to the left, but found that I simply could not belong to a party that endorsed torture.

Good point! And speaking of torture:

Waterboarding Is A Big Joke At Cheney Roast

Right wing comedy at its finest!

23 Joanne  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:21:27pm

re: #21 FemNaziBitch

OMG!

It iz haz a sad. Look at those tear stains! :-D

24 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:22:03pm
25 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:22:34pm

re: #12 kirkspencer

Actually, given the VRA decision it would be likely to be struck down.

The thing that got the conservative boxers in a twist was that the gist of the decision was that racism existed but the measurements taken in the past need updated.

The only ruling I’m aware of where the Court ruled something unconstitutional while flatly refusing to cite which part of the Constitution had been violated. To this day no Justice supporting that decision has been able to point to any part of the Constitution supposedly violated by the Section 4 formula.

26 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:24:54pm

re: #17 ProTARDISLiberal

Hey, give me a crash course on how to player Team Fortress 2 and actually be effective?

I started playing TF2 again recently. Still a good fun game. I suggest starting off as medic. It’s an easy class to play, get you good points and you can learn tactics by watching the people you heal. Also playing enough to learn the maps is important.
Once you get the hang of it I suggest finding a good server, it makes the game much more fun. You want to find a server with lots of people and a good server will have players with microphones to communicate. Once you get to know the regulars it can be a lot of fun.

27 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:27:51pm

Hey Fuckface Von Clownstick:
The President has Presidentin’ Experience

28 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:28:06pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I already know what 2 of the maps look like.

My memory is great, especially with pictures, maps, and diagrams.

29 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:28:16pm

re: #24 Vicious Babushka

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Spray paint manufactured by Dow Chemical. Take that 1%-er!

30 Good Morning  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:30:01pm

Snowden sighting … Appears to be shopping for two, HUMINT unable to confirm … 2013 Russia seems to have bluejeans, well maintained roads and nice cars.

Edward Snowden ‘pictured out shopping in Russia’
telegraph.co.uk

31 Zamb  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:33:34pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

To be fair Donald Trump does have plenty of experience dealing with debt and bankruptcy crises.

32 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:33:49pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

Hey Fuckface Von Clownstick:
The President has Presidentin’ Experience

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Because lawyers don’t have business experience. Ever.

Also, we already had an MBA as POTUS. It didn’t turn out all that well.

33 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:35:44pm

re: #28 ProTARDISLiberal

I already know what 2 of the maps look like.

My memory is great, especially with pictures, maps, and diagrams.

You’ll get the hang of it, it’s a pretty simple game.

34 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:36:29pm

re: #17 ProTARDISLiberal

Hey, give me a crash course on how to player Team Fortress 2 and actually be effective?

KT’s the go-to guy for that.

35 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:37:23pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

Hey Fuckface Von Clownstick:
The President has Presidentin’ Experience

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Donald Trump would make a great President during this crisis.

If the U.S. defaults, who’s got more experience with bankruptcy than Donald Trump?

36 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:37:54pm

Texas food banks feel shutdown squeeze

Ten truckload deliveries of food were already canceled. An additional 36 loads remain “in limbo” for the North Texas Food Bank in Dallas, which provides nearly 175,000 meals a day to the region’s needy.

The government shutdown means a major supplier of the organization’s food-the Department of Agriculture-won’t be making its deliveries and that could mean the food bank loses more than 300,000 meals intended for low-income Texans.

37 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:41:47pm

re: #36 jaunte

Texas food banks feel shutdown squeeze

Gov. Perry, upon hearing the news, was heard to utter “Let them eat cake!”

38 danarchy  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:45:09pm

re: #17 ProTARDISLiberal

Hey, give me a crash course on how to player Team Fortress 2 and actually be effective?

effective…play a medic and attach yourself to a heavy.

39 sagehen  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:46:49pm

re: #21 FemNaziBitch

OMG!

I know what I want for Hanukkah…

40 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:46:58pm

Apparently Costa thinks that Paul Ryan will be the guy who may help seal the GOP leaderships current hopes of turning talk to a short-term debt ceiling increase.

41 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:47:36pm

Federal Government Shutdown to Keep Texas Workers Home

Texas has the nation’s third-highest concentration of federal employees, according to the University of Texas at Austin’s Texas Politics Project, and many of those 140,000 workers will go without a paycheck.

“Turning Texas blue.”

42 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:48:28pm
43 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:49:46pm

re: #38 danarchy

effective…play a medic and attach yourself to a heavy.

It used to be like that but a lot of people have gotten really good at Demo. When I play medic I keep an eye on the team scores and make sure to focus on healing the better players. On the server I’ve been playing on it’s almost always the demos.

44 jaunte  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:49:52pm
45 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:55:57pm

re: #44 jaunte

Yeah, what do businessmen, bankers and CFOs of large corporations know about the economy?
/

46 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 8:00:27pm

re: #44 jaunte

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Hell, anyone with two functioning neurons should be lobbying Congress right now. The Great Recession is gonna have nothing on what will happen if we default.

47 nines09  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 8:09:31pm

I don’t think you can go much further without armbands, and a new flag.

48 blueraven  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 8:12:01pm

Malala is Jon Stewart’s guest tonight.

49 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 8:33:41pm

re: #45 calochortus

Yeah, what do businessmen, bankers and CFOs of large corporations know about the economy?
/

So, on the one hand, they want a ‘Businessman’ for a President. On the other hand, they won’t listen to a bunch of businessmen telling them not to pull the pin on that grenade.

Fuckheads.

50 calochortus  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 8:42:01pm

re: #49 GeneJockey

That about sums it up. Sadly.

51 Egregious Philbin  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 8:43:38pm

Little background on Tom Horne, he had an “assistant” working for him doing no actual work for a really nice salary. They decided to go to “lunch” together which meant taking Tom’s car to another garage, switching to her car in her garage and spending the 2 hour lunch playing “hide the sausage”, but …ooops! Tom got in an accident…and doncha know he just had to flee the scene(all captured on video).

And, of course, this arbiter of law, is still in office….lets not even talk about how much of a dullard this guy is. He will lose re-election, and Bennett, the guy who seriously entertained keeping Obama off the ballot because…well, that whole birth certificate thing….and this was the re-election. We have so many piles of stupid here in the valley of the sun…I stopped apologizing for it…

52 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 8:45:30pm

re: #51 Egregious Philbin

Little background on Tom Horne, he had an “assistant” working for him doing no actual work for a really nice salary. They decided to go to “lunch” together which meant taking Tom’s car to another garage, switching to her car in her garage and spending the 2 hour lunch playing “hide the sausage”, but …ooops! Tom got in an accident…and doncha know he just had to flee the scene(all captured on video).

And, of course, this arbiter of law, is still in office….lets not even talk about how much of a dullard this guy is. He will lose re-election, and Bennett, the guy who seriously entertained keeping Obama off the ballot because…well, that whole birth certificate thing….and this was the re-election. We have so many piles of stupid here in the valley of the sun…I stopped apologizing for it…

O_o

53 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 8:47:12pm

We could end a lot of discussion on voter registration and immigration status by simply instituting a national citizen’s ID card or internal passport system.

Any takers?


…Hello, anybody?

Okay, let’s just get back to a patchwork of chaotic, contradictory and easily abused legislation and regulation.

54 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 8:52:05pm

I propose a compromise.

Let all the conservatives vote separately in their own elections, then we toss out their votes like they never happened.

What can I say? The House GOP inspired me.

55 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:04:41pm

This is an interesting development
EDL leader Tommy Robinson quits group

English Defence League leader and founder Tommy Robinson has left the group, saying he has concerns over the “dangers of far-right extremism”.

Here’s a BBC report
Liveleak Video

56 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:06:32pm

Hello fellow peasants.

How is the evening?

57 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:07:46pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

Hell, anyone with two functioning neurons should be lobbying Congress right now. The Great Recession is gonna have nothing on what will happen if we default.

Here you go.

I can provide more links if you like …

58 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:08:33pm

re: #23 Joanne

It iz haz a sad. Look at those tear stains! :-D

I wanna cub and a puppy!!!

59 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:11:20pm

ALL AROUND THE WORLD —One Billion Rising …
Inspriring, Heartwarming Photos Of Worldwide Demonstrations To End Violence Against Women

60 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:13:04pm

How inspiring is this?

I’m gonna just keep posting until someone interrupts me.

61 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:13:31pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

This is an interesting development
EDL leader Tommy Robinson quits group

You’re not seriously falling for that are you?

He’s a virulent fascist and ardent racist who quits the EDL when the shit starts to hit the fan. How is that even remotely sincere?

62 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:16:16pm

Preaching from the Pulpit in the Capital Building
Youtube Video

63 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:18:07pm

re: #44 jaunte

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In theory, it wouldn’t be bad to ban the Republican Party.// Only in theory though.

64 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:21:51pm

BTW, here’s “reformed” EDL leader Tommy Robinson just a few days ago on Twitter:


The day before that he was linking to the Gatestone Institute. Oh yeah, he’s had a real change of heart. The sincerity of his disavowing the racists and bigots in the EDL is just so obvious!

65 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:22:58pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

In theory, it wouldn’t be bad to ban the Republican Party.// Only in theory though.

The party will self-desruct soon enough, I am certain that the right-wing fringe will split off into its own party over one or a number of issues.

Recall that they threatened to do that as early as 2008 over McCain’s too-liberal social policies, which was one of the reasons he took Sarah Palin on board. And that was one of the key moments in the ascendancy of the Winut Right.

66 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:23:37pm

Scott Walker administration to accept just notice for Capitol protests

To settle a free speech lawsuit, Gov. Scott Walker’s administration agreed Tuesday to pay more than $88,000 in attorneys fees and drop its hard-and-fast requirement that larger groups protesting in the Capitol receive a permit.

The Walker administration faced a federal trial in January over the permitting requirement as part of a lawsuit brought by a protester with the assistance of the American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin. Under Tuesday’s agreement, the state Department of Administration would keep its permitting rules in place but also would allow up to five days of demonstrations if protesters simply give the state two days’ notice.

Michael Kissick, the University of Wisconsin-Madison assistant professor of medical physics and human oncology who brought the lawsuit, said the settlement provided a significant shift in how the state handles demonstrations. Instead of having to ask permission, now protesters can simply provide a heads up, he said.

67 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:25:29pm

re: #65 Sol Berdinowitz

The party will self-desruct soon enough, I am certain that the right-wing fringe will split off into its own party over one or a number of issues.

Recall that they threatened to do that as early as 2008 over Mccain’s too-liberal social policies, which was one of the reasons he took Sarah Palin on board. And that was one of the key moments in the ascendancy of the Winut Right.

I was being very tongue in cheek there.

68 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:26:28pm

re: #64 Lidane

BTW, here’s “reformed” EDL leader Tommy Robinson just a few days ago on Twitter:

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The day before that he was linking to the Gatestone Institute. Oh yeah, he’s had a real change of heart. The sincerity of his disavowing the racists and bigots in the EDL is just so obvious!

Yeah I’ll believe Robinson’s “change of heart” when he actually apologizes for being a rampant Islamaphobe and letting his group do Hitler salutes and makes real efforts to repair the damage he’s done. Otherwise, he’s just another scumbag Eurofascist.

69 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:27:11pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

I was being very tongue in cheek there.

No, you were being an intolerant Liberal who is fed hatred and lies by the MSM.

/

70 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:27:45pm

Freedom!

71 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:27:48pm

re: #69 Sol Berdinowitz

No, you were being an intolerant Liberal who is fed hatred and lies by the MSM.

/

Aha you got me! But seriously I was just mocking the whole in theory crap.

72 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:28:37pm

re: #70 Lidane

Freedom!

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But I thought Russia was more democratic than America now. Nice hero you got RWNJs. Obama’s right wing critics only act like they belong in psychwards.

73 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:30:26pm

re: #70 Lidane

Freedom!

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Man, that is just like when Obama rounded up Fischer and Klayman and put them into a FEMA Camp.

Wait a sec….

74 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:31:42pm

re: #61 Lidane

You’re not seriously falling for that are you?

He’s a virulent fascist and ardent racist who quits the EDL when the shit starts to hit the fan. How is that even remotely sincere?

I read through a few of the articles and remained skeptical but after watching the interview I think he’s made a sincere transformation BUT there are a few problems. He lacks the intellectual foundation to be a serious critic of Islamic extremism and culture in general. Hitchens could get away with it because he was an intellectual. Robinson, not so much. Also Robinson’s critics are never going to forgive him and stop calling him a racist and, as seen in that interview, the media isn’t going to treat him any better. Even Dawkins has been slapped enough to not criticize radical Islam as much anymore. The same people who cheer him for criticizing Christianity will turn on him for speaking badly about Islam. There is room for discussion about culture, immigration and religious extremism in some intellectual circles but it’s not something that’s going to be openly tolerated in popular culture.

75 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:32:17pm

re: #73 Kragar

Man, that is just like when Obama rounded up Fischer and Klayman and put them into a FEMA Camp.

Wait a sec….

I think Glenn Beck is in a gulag in the middle of Alaska still claiming Obama’s out to get him more than halfway into Obama’s presidency.

76 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:34:17pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

I think Glenn Beck is in a gulag in the middle of Alaska still claiming Obama’s out to get him more than halfway into Obama’s presidency.

5+ years in, and he is still going to swoop in and grab all the guns any day now.

77 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:34:21pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I read through a few of the articles and remained skeptical but after watching the interview I think he’s made a sincere transformation BUT there are a few problems.

The main problem being that just a few days ago he was still posting bigoted shit all over Twitter and still defending the EDL.

His transformation is about as sincere as a snake oil salesman. He’s full of shit and anyone who believes him so easily deserves to feel stupid when he reverts right back to his old ways.

78 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:35:12pm

re: #76 Kragar

5+ years in, and he is still going to swoop in and grab all the guns any day now.

You just watch, he’ll do it when no one is expecting it. Still waiting for him to implement Shariah Law too. That tease.

79 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:35:24pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’ll believe Robinson’s “change of heart” when he actually apologizes for being a rampant Islamaphobe and letting his group do Hitler salutes and makes real efforts to repair the damage he’s done. Otherwise, he’s just another scumbag Eurofascist.

I think his new idea about mosques being government regulated also shows he’s still missing the point. Europeans (yes, I’m lumping the Brits in there too) have a different understanding of free speech and freedom of religion.

80 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:38:01pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

I think his new idea about mosques being government regulated also shows he’s still missing the point a virulent fascist and bigot who hasn’t changed at all.

FTFY

81 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:39:00pm

Yeah! Kitteh!

82 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:39:31pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

I think his new idea about mosques being government regulated also shows he’s still missing the point. Europeans (yes, I’m lumping the Brits in there too) have a different understanding of free speech and freedom of religion.

Let’s not forget that he let people do Nazi salutes in his group too. It’s not just anti-Islamism that is the EDL’s problem. The EDL is openly hostile to pretty much anyone who’s not of British decent. Eastern European immigrants are targets of their scapegoating too not merely Muslims and even Jews. I know they have a different conception of free speech and religion but I reserve the right to be skeptical of Robinson. Tell me this, David Duke claimed to have left the KKK but he’s still very hateful and nasty. Why should Robinson get any benefit of the doubt until he actually does something to fix what he’s created? It’s not about forgiveness, it’s about judging a man by his actions not his words.

83 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:42:45pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

I think Glenn Beck is in a gulag in the middle of Alaska still claiming Obama’s out to get him more than halfway into Obama’s presidency.

And Ted Nugent is both alive and unincarcerated…

84 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:44:29pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Let’s not forget that he let people do Nazi salutes in his group too. It’s not just anti-Islamism that is the EDL’s problem. The EDL is openly hostile to pretty much anyone who’s not of British decent. Eastern European immigrants are targets of their scapegoating too not merely Muslims and even Jews. I know they have a different conception of free speech and religion but I reserve the right to be skeptical of Robinson. Tell me this, David Duke claimed to have left the KKK but he’s still very hateful and nasty. Why should Robinson get any benefit of the doubt until he actually does something to fix what he’s created? It’s not about forgiveness, it’s about judging a man by his actions not his words.

I find no fault with your view. It’s also entirely possible that he might eventually transfer his hate for Muslims to a zealous hate for right wing radicals. Some people who go through these transformations just end up redirecting the hate and bigotry in a different direction. even if he’s sincere I don’t see much chance of his new approach to radical Islam being very effective.

85 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:44:46pm

The fact of the matter is I really like what we’ve done here in America with our Muslim population. We integrate them. I had Muslim classmates from the minute I stepped foot in kindergarten to the day I walked for my college graduation. i’ve frequented Muslim owned businesses. By making Muslims an “other” you isolate them and that’s something that I think the so called anti-Islamists don’t get. Obviously, religious extremism is a problem and I have as much a problem with radical Islam as I do Christian zealots but I am not as concerned about radical islam gaining political power in the U.S because unlike the former, there aren’t politicians that actively pander to its whims. You don’t get to destroy religious freedoms because a group has extremist members. No one in mainstream politics has proposed limiting the number of churches that can be built following anti-gay violence or violence committed against abortion clinics.

87 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:47:11pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

However, some self-regulation or something is needed. Saudi spends ass-tons of money trying take over Mosques around the Planet, including Britain and the US.

Britain has been massively infected. The US Muslim Community is holding them off, except in Somali Mosques.

But Britain has exported more than a few nutcases. I remember the nutcase in Sweden a few years back who attempted a suicide bombing was British.

88 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:48:15pm

EDL

ANGLO-SAXONS BACK TO ANGLIA AND SAXONY

britain for the britons!!!

89 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:48:24pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

I find no fault with your view. It’s also entirely possible that he might eventually transfer his hate for Muslims to a zealous hate for right wing radicals. Some people who go through these transformations just end up redirecting the hate and bigotry in a different direction. even if he’s sincere I don’t see much chance of his new approach to radical Islam being very effective.

I’d honestly prefer he stay out of the UK’s political discourse. i really do hope he’s changed but I am skeptical. Really after all these years of being the face of British eurofascism? Suddenly he has this epiphany that he was wrong? And Lidane did post a tweet he made not even a week ago. If he’s sincerely changed, I really would love to see him do something good with his life but I am just skeptical for why I’ve already explained.

90 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:48:37pm

re: #1 wrenchwench

Thanks, CL!

Thank you—wow, you did an awesome job! I’m so glad you took it and ran with it. I’m bookmarking it so I can read everything carefully tomorrow. Oh, and congrats on the promotion to the front page.

91 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:48:50pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Until 9/11 most Americans were pretty clueless about Islam. After 9/11 a lot of Americans gained a totally negative impression of the religion and its practicioners.

It helps that although we have a dominant religion, Christianity, there is no dominant church to dictate policy, unlike the situation in Europe with the Catholic, Lutheran and Anglican churches.

92 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:49:26pm

re: #88 dog philosopher

EDL

ANGLO-SAXONS BACK TO ANGLIA AND SAXONY

britain for the britons!!!

Kick out all descendants of William the Conqueror!

93 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:49:55pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

Kick out all descendants of William the Conqueror!

Wait, that might be me… .

94 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:50:12pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

As a partial Norman, I resent that!

95 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:50:29pm

re: #93 FemNaziBitch

Wait, that might be me… .

I think that may be a good chunk of us.

96 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:51:19pm

re: #94 ProTARDISLiberal

As a partial Norman, I resent that!

Bring back Genghis!

97 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:51:50pm

WND has such gullible readers.

Headline: “Reporters almost die when booted from U.S. park”

Story: DALLAS (AP) — Cathy Frye could go on no longer.

She and her husband, Rick McFarland, decided that he would set out in Texas’ remote Big Bend Ranch State Park to find help, leaving her behind.

…and the comments, sheesh.

98 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:54:17pm

Here’s the Wiki page for the group that converted Robinson
Quilliam

The “criticism” section seems mostly from Islamists, Yvon Ridley, Tariq Ramadan, etc. Just the right people to be pissed at a moderation group. Another tantalizing clue in the funding section…

In January 2009, The Times published an article claiming that Quilliam had received almost £1 million from the government. The article also said that some “members of the Government and the Opposition” had questioned the wisdom of “relying too heavily on a relatively unknown organisation … to counter extremism.”[25] Quilliam openly acknowledges the funding that it receives from the public sector, and has made its financial records publicly available

So it’s a government funded think tank opposing radicalism. I think converting Robinson is quite a coup. Maybe they thought one of the best tools against Radical Islam would be undermining the EDL.

99 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:54:34pm

re: #97 Single-handed sailor

WND has such gullible readers.

Headline: “Reporters almost die when booted from U.S. park”

Story: DALLAS (AP) — Cathy Frye could go on no longer.

She and her husband, Rick McFarland, decided that he would set out in Texas’ remote Big Bend Ranch State Park to find help, leaving her behind.

…and the comments, sheesh.

Point is that none of this woulda happened in a private park!

100 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:57:58pm

re: #87 ProTARDISLiberal

However, some self-regulation or something is needed. Saudi spends ass-tons of money trying take over Mosques around the Planet, including Britain and the US.

Britain has been massively infected. The US Muslim Community is holding them off, except in Somali Mosques.

But Britain has exported more than a few nutcases. I remember the nutcase in Sweden a few years back who attempted a suicide bombing was British.

UK and Europe do have a more serious problem with radicalism but I think government approved sermons is a bit much. I am impressed by the Quilliam group I linked to in #98. I’m not sure how effective they’ll be but I like their approach.

101 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 9:58:51pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

They are going to need a huge amount of funding to keep up with the Saudis though.

102 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:01:08pm

Lol.

103 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:01:15pm

re: #101 ProTARDISLiberal

They are going to need a huge amount of funding to keep up with the Saudis though.

What if we stopped funding the Saudis by buying so much oil from them?

104 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:03:59pm

re: #103 Sol Berdinowitz

Yeah, I like it. Unfortunately, that means driving US Oil Consumption down.

I do my best however, to spread word of Saudi does to those that don’t know.

105 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:06:50pm

Oh please, he wasn’t converted.

106 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:07:04pm

re: #104 ProTARDISLiberal

Yeah, I like it. Unfortunately, that means driving US Oil Consumption down.

And everybody knows that the ultimate gauge of wealth and prosperity is measured in how many resources we consume.

Just like the Soviet Union used to list its production of electronics in tons.

107 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:08:10pm

re: #106 Sol Berdinowitz

I mean unfortunately because getting people to do that is going to be hard as hell.

108 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:10:12pm

re: #105 Varek Raith

Oh please, he wasn’t converted.

Seriously. As recently as four days ago he was still tweeting his usual bigoted shit. Who would be stupid enough to think that the leader of the far-right bigots in the EDL is going to have a total change of heart in four days?

Anyone falling for his “change of heart” is an idiot.

109 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:10:41pm

re: #107 ProTARDISLiberal

I mean unfortunately because getting people to do that is going to be hard as hell.

Because we are stuck in a mindset that the American Way of Life is threatened if we do not drive big cars everywhere.

110 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:14:33pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

UK and Europe do have a more serious problem with radicalism but I think government approved sermons is a bit much. I am impressed by the Quilliam group I linked to in #98. I’m not sure how effective they’ll be but I like their approach.

The may have a larger problem with muslim radicalism. I think we have a problem with radicalism as a whole.

111 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:14:57pm

re: #104 ProTARDISLiberal

Yeah, I like it. Unfortunately, that means driving US Oil Consumption down.

I do my best however, to spread word of Saudi does to those that don’t know.

IIRC, we don’t get the majority of our oil from KSA —no?

112 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:16:33pm

re: #109 Sol Berdinowitz

Because we are stuck in a mindset that the American Way of Life is threatened if we do not drive big cars everywhere.

keep the money moving, keep the raw materials moving …

why?

Peace?

I don’t know. I’d know I’d rather live in a world in which commerce works.

113 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:20:52pm

Jon Stewart chides John Boehner and Republicans: ‘The party of personal responsibility ain’t taking none’

Stewart then showed footage of House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-OH) interview with ABC News on Sunday in which Boehner did not deny that in July 2013 he offered Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) a continued resolution for government spending at levels below what Democrats wanted — while continuing to fund the Affordable Care Act — only to renege on the offer later.

“I and my members decided that the threat of Obamacare and what was happening was so important that it was time for us to take a stand,” Boehner said at the time, which incensed Stewart.

“Did you f*cking hear that?” Stewart yelled at his audience. “Can we stop having a conversation about if ‘both sides are gonna blink.’ They had a deal.”

Stewart then challenged Boehner, saying, “You think Obamacare’s a big enough threat to this country that you need to shut down the government, fine. Own it. Don’t fart and point at the dog.”

114 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:27:57pm

re: #111 FemNaziBitch

True, but our government still supports them.

115 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:32:06pm

at this point i think that on oct 18th, the federal government will default, economic chaos will be starting, and all the republicans will do about it will be to try even harder to blame it on obama

116 Kragar  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:32:34pm

House Republicans Flip-Flop On Clean Funding Bill

Spineless shit weasels.

117 Lidane  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:32:43pm

re: #113 Kragar

Jon Stewart chides John Boehner and Republicans: ‘The party of personal responsibility ain’t taking none’

That was great. If anyone can slice through the “both sides do it” garbage, it’s Jon Stewart.

Also, Sniffles McGillicuddy. Haha.

118 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:33:05pm

re: #115 dog philosopher

at this point i think that on oct 18th, the federal government will default, economic chaos will be starting, and all the republicans will do about it will be to try even harder to blame it on obama

They’ll claim he thinks it’s great even though it’s many of them on record as saying the default “isn’t so bad.” Must be nice to play mental gymnastics.

119 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:33:33pm

re: #116 Kragar

House Republicans Flip-Flop On Clean Funding Bill

Spineless shit weasels.

Cowards the whole bloody lot of them.

121 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:40:04pm

re: #114 ProTARDISLiberal

True, but our government still supports them.

We pay lots of countries not to wage war with us or Israel. As I see it, that is the main reason for any foreign aid, no matter what reasons are given or used to justify the expenditure.

While the GOP types complain and complain, they know full well it’s part of the peace plan.

What pisses me off the most is that they don’t seem to be able to see that the same reasoning applies domestically. Social programs are also a tool of peace.

We feed children all over the world, but the Whackos bitch when we do it here.

122 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:41:34pm

re: #120 Varek Raith

Atheist group to Montgomery police: Stop sending evangelical pastors to crime scenes

But being a Christian is like being a black in the Jim Crow era South how can it be? //

123 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:41:52pm

So, I’m chilling and thoroughly enjoying this auto play series of Trent Reznor on you-tube.

I need it right now.

124 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:42:04pm

re: #121 FemNaziBitch

We pay lots of countries not to wage war with us or Israel. As I see it that is the main reason for any foreign aid, no matter what reasons are given or used to justify the expenditure.

While the GOP types complain and complain, they know full well it’s part of the peace plan.

What pisses me off the most is that they don’t seem to be able to see that the same reasoning applies domestically. Social programs are also a tool of peace.

We feed children all over the world, but the Whackos bitch when we do it here.

Charity starts at home.

125 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:45:56pm

What I love about how the right presents the whole health care debate. It’s “Oh, I don’t want ot pay for someone else’s healthcare.” Uh asswipe, it’s part of the social contract. You pay for programs that may not necessarily benefit you. I have no children of my own but yet I pay taxes that fund schools. If we all could just pick and select what we paid for, the system would be a walking disaster. We all seem to want the best roads, schools, etc possible but let someone mention that those things sometimes require higher taxes and it’s hell to pay. The latter is why Grover Norquist should go the way of the dodo bird in political influence but alas he won’t since the GOP’s allowed him and his sophomoric pledge to have influence.

126 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:46:40pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Commie.

127 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:50:09pm

re: #126 Varek Raith

Commie.

“When I fed the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why are they poor, they called me a Marxist.” Think that’s from a South American priest who believed in liberation theology. I’m no communist but that is the goddamned truth when it comes to concern for the poor. We outside extreme Ayn Randians admire the man who helps the poor but we often get outraged if we ask why this is. I was reading an article on Republican opposition to Social Security and Medicare and Strom Thurmond was quoted in the debate about the latter as saying That there’s always been poor people even since the biblical days. It’s true, there’s always going to be poor but that doesn’t mean that poor has to be hopeless or have a system where a select few control much of the wealth. That to me is an as dangerous system as communism and it’s not capitalism despite what its admirers say, it’s plutocracy.

128 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:07:45pm

Police stop 2 men openly carrying guns in downtown Green Bay

Two men openly carrying an assault rifle and shotgun were stopped by police this afternoon in downtown Green Bay.

The Brown County Sheriff’s Department reported the incident just after 2 p.m. after the men were seen walking near the Brown County Courthouse with the firearms slung over their shoulders, said Green Bay police Capt. Bill Galvin.

Police and deputies stopped the men at the corner of East Walnut and Madison streets. One of the men was carrying an AR-15 rifle, the same weapon used in 2012 mass shootings at the Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Conn., and the movie theater shooting in Aurora, Colo.

129 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:08:51pm

re: #128 Amory Blaine

Police stop 2 men openly carrying guns in downtown Green Bay

But did they play video games?//

130 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:09:30pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

“When I fed the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why are they poor, they called me a Marxist.” Think that’s from a South American priest who believed in liberation theology. I’m no communist but that is the goddamned truth when it comes to concern for the poor. We outside extreme Ayn Randians admire the man who helps the poor but we often get outraged if we ask why this is. I was reading an article on Republican opposition to Social Security and Medicare and Strom Thurmond was quoted in the debate about the latter as saying That there’s always been poor people even since the biblical days. It’s true, there’s always going to be poor but that doesn’t mean that poor has to be hopeless or have a system where a select few control much of the wealth. That to me is an as dangerous system as communism and it’s not capitalism despite what its admirers say, it’s plutocracy.

I’ve read a little Ayn Rand and have a different take that most people —even Randians. I won’t go into it here and now.

My point is that so many people REALLY, REALLY do not get Rand. I don’t agree with much of the philosophy, yet I gleaned some helpful tools from what I’ve read.

I’m so tired of it. I posted earlier about one friend. I think she’s read one Rand novel and made it her life’s philosophy.

It’s enough to make me bang my head against the wall.

131 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:12:01pm

re: #130 FemNaziBitch

I’ve read a little Ayn Rand and have a different take that most people —even Randians. I won’t go into it here and now.

My point is that so many people REALLY, REALLY do not get Rand. I don’t agree with much of the philosophy, yet I gleaned some helpful tools from what I’ve read.

I’m so tired of it. I posted earlier about one friend. I think she’s read one Rand novel and made it her life’s philosophy.

It’s enough to make me bang my head against the wall.

No, I don’t think most people get Rand even her admirers. I’m however pointing out that Rand did have a problem with charity. I recall seeing an old interview of her on Phil Donahue where she pretty much says she finds charity immoral. Not forced charity but all charity. I actually had to read The Fountainhead in school. Agh.

132 sagehen  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:28:48pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

When Strom Thurmond said that, he was only talking about white people.

In fact, all those southern New Deal Democrats who were so supportive of rural electrification, public schools, social security, the GI Bill, FHA, etc etc etc… it was because they thought it was only for white people.

Once those outside agitators (yankees donchaknow) got the meddlesome washington folks to declare it was for everyone… well, that’s how white southerners became “conservatives”. Every program they loved the year before was suddenly COMMUNISM!!!

133 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:34:07pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

No, I don’t think most people get Rand even her admirers. I’m however pointing out that Rand did have a problem with charity. I recall seeing an old interview of her on Phil Donahue where she pretty much says she finds charity immoral. Not forced charity but all charity. I actually had to read The Fountainhead in school. Agh.

Yeah, I would have a different take on that. Probably because I think we are all basically hedonists. I know I give because I NEED to. I do it for me.

Rational self-interest I guess.

Rand was a philosopher. I get a little pissed when people rag on her, because they don’t seem to rag on Plato with quite the same vitriol. I understand the Whackos aren’t currently using Plato for their own agenda, so I lay off.

She could have also used a course in diplomacy. That is for sure.

134 sagehen  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:43:19pm

My theory how this shutdown/debt ceiling goes…

The rest of this week will be pretty much the same as yesterday and the day before. The Sunday talk shows will be Democrats tearing their hair out about the oncoming apocalypse, and Republicans will blow on their fingernails and say it’s no problem, the Democrats are just panicmongers.

Monday the 14th, the stock market will drop 500 points. Monday evening, Republicans will blame Obama for inciting panic on purpose, insist again that the debt ceiling is no big deal.

Tuesday the 15th, the stock market will drop 1000 points. Tuesday evening, a few sane Republicans will have to admit to themselves (but not yet out loud) that maybe there’s scarier things that maybe being primaried by a tea partier isn’t the worst thing that could happen.

Wednesday the 16th, the stock market will drop 1500 points. The sane Republicans will yell “UNCLE UNCLE UNCLE” and sign the discharge petition. There will be a vote at 3am, raising the debt ceiling enough to last through the next election. Which those sane Republicans will lose anyway, because any of their constituents who give a damn about sanity aren’t going to be particularly impressed by how long they waited.

Thursday the 17th, Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, a half dozen more Wall Street BSD’s and the Chamber of Commerce will announce the formation of their ANTI-T-PAC, pledging $435 million to support their handpicked Republican primary candidates in all 435 districts.

135 gwangung  Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:59:57pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

The fact of the matter is I really like what we’ve done here in America with our Muslim population. We integrate them. I had Muslim classmates from the minute I stepped foot in kindergarten to the day I walked for my college graduation. i’ve frequented Muslim owned businesses. By making Muslims an “other” you isolate them—-

—-AND MAKE THEM MORE LIKELY TO BECOME RADICAL.

You’re not going to get Jihadists out of happily integrated Muslims in Middle America.

136 gwangung  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:04:19am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

What I love about how the right presents the whole health care debate. It’s “Oh, I don’t want ot pay for someone else’s healthcare.” Uh asswipe, it’s part of the social contract.

You ought to tell them, “It’s too late as swipes—YOU ALREADY DO.” Emergency rooms, remember? And you’re paying for them in higher health care costs.

Waddya want to do…pay it now? Or pay it later?

137 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:05:37am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

The fact of the matter is I really like what we’ve done here in America with our Muslim population. We integrate them. I had Muslim classmates from the minute I stepped foot in kindergarten to the day I walked for my college graduation. i’ve frequented Muslim owned businesses. By making Muslims an “other” you isolate them and that’s something that I think the so called anti-Islamists don’t get. Obviously, religious extremism is a problem and I have as much a problem with radical Islam as I do Christian zealots but I am not as concerned about radical islam gaining political power in the U.S because unlike the former, there aren’t politicians that actively pander to its whims. You don’t get to destroy religious freedoms because a group has extremist members. No one in mainstream politics has proposed limiting the number of churches that can be built following anti-gay violence or violence committed against abortion clinics.

Really? I had to go upthread and re-read this.

Would you say “our blacks”?

138 gwangung  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:08:36am

re: #137 FemNaziBitch

Really? I had to go upthread and re-read this.

Would you say “our blacks”?

Blacks are the ultimate product of otherization.

Asian Americans were well on their way to becoming integrated and even a Republican bulwark until Republicans a) went on an anti-China witch hunt in the 1990s, and b) continued the anti-immigation kick the California Republicans used with such “great” success….

139 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:10:34am

someone was thinking again!

140 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:11:06am

re: #138 gwangung

Blacks are the ultimate product of otherization.

Asian Americans were well on their way to becoming integrated and even a Republican bulwark until Republicans a) went on an anti-China witch hunt in the 1990s, and b) continued the anti-immigation kick the California Republicans used with such “great” success….

I might argue that the ultimate “otherization” is women.

141 gwangung  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:15:21am

re: #140 FemNaziBitch

I might argue that the ultimate “otherization” is women.

And…..I might not argue with you on that one….

142 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:22:06am

How to: with duct tape.

143 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:22:36am

re: #141 gwangung

And…..I might not argue with you on that one….

Yeah, my one tract mind … .

144 AlexRogan  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:25:33am

re: #143 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, my one tract mind … .

Urinary tract, GI tract, what?

///

145 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:37:04am

I love this stuff.

Could NASA scientists, politicians and Carl Sagan ever dreamed this is a result of all their work?

146 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:37:22am

re: #144 AlexRogan

Urinary tract, GI tract, what?

///

ya know …

147 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:46:34am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

What I love about how the right presents the whole health care debate. It’s “Oh, I don’t want ot pay for someone else’s healthcare.” Uh asswipe, it’s part of the social contract. You pay for programs that may not necessarily benefit you. I have no children of my own but yet I pay taxes that fund schools. If we all could just pick and select what we paid for, the system would be a walking disaster. We all seem to want the best roads, schools, etc possible but let someone mention that those things sometimes require higher taxes and it’s hell to pay. The latter is why Grover Norquist should go the way of the dodo bird in political influence but alas he won’t since the GOP’s allowed him and his sophomoric pledge to have influence.

The “social contract” between the governed and their government is yet another Enlightenment idea that libertarianism — and the current GOP — reject. Jefferson used John Locke’s interpretation of the social contract as the basis for the Declaration of Independence — the King had broken the social contract between him and the colonists, therefore the colonists were no longer bound by his laws. Tea Party types (including Paul père and fils) invoke the Declaration in their imaginary battle against the “tyranny” of our elected government without comprehending the underlying concept of government contained within the Declaration. Jefferson’s language clearly states that the government should ensure the life, liberty and happiness of the people. The American system of government makes the people the government. The Constitution and constitutional law embody that concept of governance with an elaborate set of checks and balances, and representation of the electorate. Thus, we the people have created a social contract binding all of us together.

Rejecting the idea of the social contract means one is rejecting a core value of the American system of government, the very premise of our Founding. Considering the right wing’s continual attacks on the separation of church and state, on the civil rights of all citizens, on the conclusions of fact-based science and economics, it’s no wonder that they should also reject the social contract. They want to return to the Old Days, when rich white people were the government and the poor people of any color should just go fuck themselves.

148 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 2:33:54am

Michele Bachmann Heads Further Off the Deep End, Claims Obama Has Brought About “End Times”

End times for WASP-Male tyranny?

Oh geee, darn.

149 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 2:36:40am

re: #147 wheat-dogghazi

They want to return to the Old Days, when rich white people were the government and the poor people of any color should just go fuck themselves.

Do you think they are really that clear about it in their heads? I think most are just very uncomfortable with the rate of change our world has experienced in the last 10 -12 years.

-8-tracks are ancient history
-Phones no longer attached to the wall by a cord
-Black Man in the White House
-Spock in touch with his feelings?

AT some point, heads are going to explode.

150 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 2:44:16am

re: #149 FemNaziBitch

Do you think they are really that clear about it in their heads? I think most are just very uncomfortable with the rate of change our world has experienced in the last 10 -12 years.

-8-tracks are ancient history
-Phones no longer attached to the wall by a cord
-Black Man in the White House
-Spock in touch with his feelings?

AT some point, heads are going to explode.

They are definitely not clear about in their own heads. All they have is a muddled sense of victimhood and kneejerk reactions to anything different,

151 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 3:02:30am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I read through a few of the articles and remained skeptical but after watching the interview I think he’s made a sincere transformation BUT there are a few problems. He lacks the intellectual foundation to be a serious critic of Islamic extremism and culture in general. Hitchens could get away with it because he was an intellectual. Robinson, not so much. Also Robinson’s critics are never going to forgive him and stop calling him a racist and, as seen in that interview, the media isn’t going to treat him any better. Even Dawkins has been slapped enough to not criticize radical Islam as much anymore. The same people who cheer him for criticizing Christianity will turn on him for speaking badly about Islam. There is room for discussion about culture, immigration and religious extremism in some intellectual circles but it’s not something that’s going to be openly tolerated in popular culture.

As long as “faith” of any sort gets a pass, esp in a world that is becoming more rooted in science and in fact-based, reasoned approaches to life itself, religions will feel threatened no matter who is critiquing them.

No religion is exempt from the kind of violence that is used, or would be used, to manage its application. For instance, in spreading evangelical christianity in Africa, American missionaries are linking with homophobic politicians to get laws passed against those practicing same sex relationships. nytimes.com

“Honor” killings which are practiced in some Islamic cultures, have been prosecuted in the US. reuters.com

I have, in my 72 yrs, witnessed some of the most egregious, violent acts against people like myself, those of us proclaimed as “heathens” from others who use their “faith” in ways no person should against another, from the time I was a small child. The more I live, the more I learn, the more steadfast I become in my atheism, in a good way—that is, in treating others fairly, with caring, and not to “prove my point” as many anointed “intellectuals” are prone to do. Freedom from religion is a freedom not enough of us have, or cherish.

152 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 3:04:59am

re: #147 wheat-dogghazi

Do not forget the core image of the Tea Party: armed uprising against a tyrannical usurper. If that means not recognizing the outcomes of free and fair elections in America, then they will declare the elections invalid.

Along with any laws passed by governments empowered through said elections.

We are losing our ability to function as a modern democracy.

153 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 3:14:08am

re: #150 wheat-dogghazi

They are definitely not clear about in their own heads. All they have is a muddled sense of victimhood and kneejerk reactions to anything different,

To them, power will never go out of style. They will always pick a group(s) to focus on to denigrate and manipulate. That keeps others from protesting too much. Even Martin Niemöller fell under the thrall of the Nazis for a short period before the scale fell from his eyes regarding what he thought was a revival of “religious values”.

154 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 3:16:04am

re: #152 Sol Berdinowitz

Do not forget the core image of the Tea Party: armed uprising against a tyrannical usurper. If that means not recognizing the outcomes of free and fair elections in America, then they will declare the elections invalid.

Along with any laws passed by governments empowered through said elections.

We are losing our ability to function as a modern democracy.

Indeed, they are rejecting majority rule, the basis of American government, to replace it with what? Anarchy? Minority rule? An oligarchy? That’s what’s alarming about the TP and its fellow travelers like Ron and Rand Paul. They talk big about tearing down what they don’t like, but offer no clear replacements for those systems and laws, other than privatizing every damn thing on the planet.

They fail to recognize that privatizing everything removes any sort of accountability to the public, and distances the voters even further from those in control. Basically, they propose to return the USA to its colonial days, specifically those colonies that were founded as mercantile interests.

155 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 3:18:23am

YOu will be glad to hear I am going to try to sleep now.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled thread.

:)

156 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 3:20:24am

re: #154 wheat-dogghazi

They live in a fantasy world of Sovereign Citizens where everyone is a law unto themselves and not required to comply with anything they do not agree with…

157 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 3:21:47am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Even Dawkins has been slapped enough to not criticize radical Islam as much anymore. The same people who cheer him for criticizing Christianity will turn on him for speaking badly about Islam. There is room for discussion about culture, immigration and religious extremism in some intellectual circles but it’s not something that’s going to be openly tolerated in popular culture.

Obviously, in ‘popular culture’, discussion, often of the “Muslims go home” variety is something that does occur. I don’t get how pretending that there isn’t boatloads of anti-Muslim rhetoric at the ordinary-person level is useful or wise. Are you really that sheltered that you don’t see those discussions occurring?

I mean, David Cameron, who’s just, oh, Prime Minister of Britain, talked about the subject recently. TV shows use “radical Islam” as a plot device constantly. Pulp novels are churned out constantly that have radical Islam as a backdrop to the story.

Your comments recently have been kind of baffling, more so than your usual out-of-touch commentary. To believe this, you have to believe things like Fox News, the tons of TV shows that use “Muslim extremist” as a plot device , or the highly visible conversations that occur constantly even among bleeding-heart liberal circles about how to let in Muslim refugees fleeing persecution while keeping out extremists, you have to believe those things don’t exist, or you’re using your own personal definition of ‘popular culture’.

In addition, Dawkins hasn’t slowed his criticism of Islam— and he doesn’t just criticize radical Islam— at all. That’s, again, just something happening in Killgore fantasy land.

158 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 3:53:57am

re: #156 Sol Berdinowitz

They live in a fantasy world of Sovereign Citizens where everyone is a law unto themselves and not required to comply with anything they do not agree with…

That’s one faction, to be sure. The ones who don’t see the income tax as legal, don’t recognize the established legal system, even deny the necessity of drivers licenses and passports.

159 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 4:01:43am

re: #157 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Obviously, in ‘popular culture’, discussion, often of the “Muslims go home” variety is something that does occur. I don’t get how pretending that there isn’t boatloads of anti-Muslim rhetoric at the ordinary-person level is useful or wise. Are you really that sheltered that you don’t see those discussions occurring?

I mean, David Cameron, who’s just, oh, Prime Minister of Britain, talked about the subject recently. TV shows use “radical Islam” as a plot device constantly. Pulp novels are churned out constantly that have radical Islam as a backdrop to the story.

Your comments recently have been kind of baffling, more so than your usual out-of-touch commentary. To believe this, you have to believe things like Fox News, the tons of TV shows that use “Muslim extremist” as a plot device , or the highly visible conversations that occur constantly even among bleeding-heart liberal circles about how to let in Muslim refugees fleeing persecution while keeping out extremists, you have to believe those things don’t exist, or you’re using your own personal definition of ‘popular culture’.

In addition, Dawkins hasn’t slowed his criticism of Islam— and he doesn’t just criticize radical Islam— at all. That’s, again, just something happening in Killgore fantasy land.

I don’t think a discussion of extreme religious practices means ignorance of a particular religion. Neither is condemning certain cultural practices, either. The myth of the “noble savage” is just that—a myth, no matter whose ancestors are cited. Ignorance in any age, lack of respect for life, occur in all eras—just the methods used and the “beliefs” practiced may vary, from human sacrifices in ancient (and on occasion, not so ancient times), and in the practice of the death penalty and of war in modern times.

But those practices do have real world consequences, and can have a lasting effect on the psychology of those exposed to those practices, including self-punitive behavior.

160 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 4:19:52am

Well, I found my phone on my desk where I left it. Yay!!!

Of course the battery is totally drained out, so I’m glad that I remembered to bring my charger.

161 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 4:21:32am

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

Well, I found my phone on my desk where I left it. Yay!!!

Of course the battery is totally drained out, so I’m glad that I remembered to bring my charger.

Good news! I was going to suggest yesterday that you have someone put it in a cab. Only kidding! ; )

162 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 4:54:21am

The Million Truck March(es) have dissolved into a FB slapfest between the Peoiple’s Front of Judea and the Judean People’s Front.

facebook.com

facebook.com

‘Morning, all.

163 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:09:41am

Meanwhile, Republicans are facing the reality of what their dead-end strategy is doing to them.

House Democrats to invited to White House

“Members of the House Democratic Caucus are invited to a meeting with the President today, Wednesday, October 9 at 4:35-5:35pm at the White House,” an email from the White House to House Democrats reads.

Read more: politico.com

164 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:28:58am

re: #162 Decatur Deb

The Million Truck March(es) have dissolved into a FB slapfest between the Peoiple’s Front of Judea and the Judean People’s Front.

facebook.com

facebook.com

‘Morning, all.

SPLITTERS!!

Heh, I’m not surprised at all. What a bunch of clowns.

165 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:32:12am

I you were “illegal” would you go ahead and register to vote? Do they really think they would fill out any government form to draw attention to themselves just to vote in an election? I doubt it.

166 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:35:08am

re: #165 Gus

A very small percentage of undocumented aliens probably do register to vote, and those are the ones who don’t know that they’re not actually citizens, whose parents never told them. A friend of mine found out he was undocumented only when his parents died and the property went to probate.

But aside from those rare corner cases, yeah, undocumented aliens do basically everything they can to keep their heads down, which often involves not going to the ER when they’re hurt, not contacting the police when they’re victimized, not suing when they’re exploited, and yeah, not voting.

167 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:35:53am

There are still some idiots out there who think the trucker thing is a thing.

168 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:39:10am

re: #166 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

A very small percentage of undocumented aliens probably do register to vote, and those are the ones who don’t know that they’re not actually citizens, whose parents never told them. A friend of mine found out he was undocumented only when his parents died and the property went to probate.

But aside from those rare corner cases, yeah, undocumented aliens do basically everything they can to keep their heads down, which often involves not going to the ER when they’re hurt, not contacting the police when they’re victimized, not suing when they’re exploited, and yeah, not voting.

Yep, I’m sure there are cases like that but something tells me Kobach doesn’t consider that. This is basically red meat for his voter base. Something along the lines of “see I’m doing something about THOSE ILLEGALS.” Or as Fox News might put it…

MEXICANS CROSSING THE BORDER INTO THE UNITED STATES TO VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS BY THE 10s OF THOUSANDS!

169 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:41:02am

Spawn of the Bread…

The story of baker’s yeast.

170 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:41:27am

Has that been done because that thought just came to me.

171 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:41:28am
172 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:42:22am

I am sorry this poor woman was killed, and I’m sure there will be lots of speculation on the actions of the various agencies involved in stopping her vehicle. Yet, who knew what her motives were at the time? What if—just what if—her intent had been to use her vehicle as a bomb? No one knew if that was the case at the time authorities were trying to stop her, and her actions in trying to avoid the authoritie were suspicious enough. She was acting aggressively, even if she was “afraid” and paranoid, acting in a manner that was threatening to the public at large, and to her child. Had she had a complete psychotic break at the time the event happened?

washingtonpost.com

Why didn’t she stop? Why did she panic? If she was mentally ill, why wasn’t anyone around her helping her get the treatment she needed before she resorted to those actions that subsequently resulted in her death, or getting the right kind of treatment? Who was really looking after her best interests? Who was looking after the best interests of her child? Unfortunately, commitment laws are usually such that adults must commit themselves in a temporary manner, unless the police are involved in situations that are life-threatening. These voluntary commitments are usually of a short nature, resulting in some kind of med being prescribed, which may or may not be taken and in which there is no follow up.

I suspect that a settlement will be made to her family w/o much ado after a finding that the police “over-reacted” when she exited her car, after it was finally stopped. I don’t think they over-reacted in trying to stop her, but in killing her? Yes, that was an execution, nothing less, and they should be held accountable for that.

173 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:42:29am

re: #171 lawhawk

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174 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:44:24am

That does it. I’m sneaking into Mexico. //

175 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:44:58am
176 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:46:53am

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

There are still some idiots out there who think the trucker thing is a thing.

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I guess they didn’t get the memo that it was just some übertrolling. Either that, or they’re wholly disconnected from reality.

Or both.

177 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:47:06am

The latest.

178 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:51:43am

This bogus vet thing goes together with the bogus trucker thing.

179 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:53:43am

re: #178 Vicious Babushka

This bogus vet thing goes together with the bogus trucker thing.

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Noun, verb, 1 million _________________ march in DC the weekend of _______________ .

180 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:54:41am

re: #179 Gus

Noun, verb, 1 million _________________ march in DC the weekend of _______________ .

And 50 hardcore RWNJs show up.

181 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:56:18am

re: #180 Vicious Babushka

And 50 hardcore RWNJs show up.

With Gadsen flags.

182 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:56:19am

They actually did have 800,000 people show up for the funeral of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef in Jerusalem two days ago.

Rabbi Yosef was the equivalent of an Israeli tea-partier.

183 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:57:34am

Join me this weekend in the 1 MILLION ASSHOLES MARCH on the DC Mall!

184 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:58:03am

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

I guess they didn’t get the memo that it was just some übertrolling. Either that, or they’re wholly disconnected from reality.

Or both.

There are a lot of astroturf supporters. Beck and the Blaze are still pushing the ‘official’ site, Klayman is to speak to them in DC, and Chief “Libtard” Kessler is coming down with a supporting entourage from Pennsylvania. This is all from the group that says it’s still happening. At the bottom this seems to have started as a shot at reviving a dead Country/Western music career. Of course Nero was just a misunderstood harp star.

185 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:05:17am

1 MILLION ANGRY KITTEN MARCH IN DC!

186 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:05:34am

The morning must read:

187 francis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:05:56am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

npr.org

Charles, these are the facts and it shows minority participation on the increase and these people are registered voters. Maybe they went down and registered just like I had to do and produced the necessary documents.

Maybe some people just don’t want to vote.

188 francis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:07:25am

re: #1 wrenchwench

npr.org

189 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:07:41am
190 francis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:08:12am

re: #9 EPR-radar

npr.org

191 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:08:24am

About to launch the Million Dog March around the neighborhood. It’s threatening rain, so attendance might be off a little. BBL

192 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:11:24am

“LOWEST SCUM ON EARTH #OBAMA REFUSES pay families burial benefits..”

Yep. Uh huh.

193 Mattand  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:11:30am

re: #191 Decatur Deb

About to launch the Million Dog March around the neighborhood. It’s threatening rain, so attendance might be off a little. BBL

You’ll still get more participation than the Million Trucker March, or whatever it’s called. In addition, you’re actually going through with yours.

194 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:13:40am

re: #184 Decatur Deb

There are a lot of astroturf supporters. Beck and the Blaze are still pushing the ‘official’ site, Klayman is to speak to them in DC, and Chief “Libtard” Kessler is coming down with a supporting entourage from Pennsylvania. This is all from the group that says it’s still happening. At the bottom this seems to have started as a shot at reviving a dead Country/Western music career. Of course Nero was just a misunderstood harp star.

It sounds like what started off as simply a publicity stunt has been glommed onto by the usual suspects.

195 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:15:39am

GOPers who agree that the default will lead to widespread destruction, yet use this as leverage by refusing to deal unless the GOP demands (preconditions) are met are the worst of the worst in this ongoing saga. They’re putting politics and passion over reality, economics, and national security.

Any GOPer who hews to this position needs to be run out of office. And that’s a list that is significant.

It includes none other than Speaker Boehner himself. He’s claiming that he wouldn’t let the nation default because of the harm done, and yet he’s completely going along with the TP wing in demanding that the Administration and Democrats accept their demands or else.

Or else what? Economic catastrophe if we don’t do what the GOP says? It’s extortion. And it’s economic folly. Boehner knows it, but by continuing to pander to the extortionists, he’s one of them.

196 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:15:58am

GOP can’t find its way out of the morass it’s gotten itself into.

It would be funny if not dangerous for the country.

re: #187 francis

npr.org

Charles, these are the facts and it shows minority participation on the increase and these people are registered voters. Maybe they went down and registered just like I had to do and produced the necessary documents.

Maybe some people just don’t want to vote.

All those people who “just don’t want to vote” or think all politicians are corrupt, the same, ad nauseam, are not just hurting themselves, but everyone. And taking the easy way out, not having to make a decision. As long as people don’t want an education, this is what we’re stuck with.

197 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:15:58am

So what happened with the outrageous outrage immigration rally on the National Mall yesterday? I took a break from the internets yesterday save for watching a Star Trek episode…

198 Mattand  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:18:36am

re: #187 francis

npr.org

Charles, these are the facts and it shows minority participation on the increase and these people are registered voters. Maybe they went down and registered just like I had to do and produced the necessary documents.

Maybe some people just don’t want to vote.

You’re sort of right in that it is about increased minority participation. You’re missing the bigger picture in that:

A) the voter fraud the James O’Keefe, Fox News, et. al.; claim is rampant is not true

B) this is about suppression of minority voters, who lean Democratic given the nativist/racist/bat shit insane bent of the current GOP.

199 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:23:19am

re: #188 francis

Gee, could that be why the GOP is now trying so hard to not get them to vote???
Nah…

200 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:26:32am

STOP CO-OPTING THE HOLOCAUST FOR YOUR TRIVIAL INCONVENIENCES, YOU FUCKSTICKS.

201 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:26:53am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

Jesus….

202 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:27:45am

TIMENOUT has over 100,000 followers for its industrial strength toxic Derp.

203 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:28:28am
204 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:29:03am

re: #190 francis

npr.org

So you’re saying if minority voting rates drop below that of whites in 2016 we’ll have proof that the all the new laws the republicans are enacting are racist in function if not necessarily in intent?

206 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:33:05am

“UN to issue restraining order on Central Africa.” //

207 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:33:59am

“UN issues letter demanding al Qaeda take sensitivity training classes.” //

208 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:34:45am


And I’m beginning to think the GOP has a black knight mentality to everything it does.

Threaten economic catastrophe, by refusing to raise the debt ceiling, and then turning around with the nonsensical position that the default isn’t going to have an effect.

Threaten government shutdown, and then when they succeed in a shutdown, claim it’s just a trivial flesh wound (except for the parts that inconvenience and/or result in outrage from the public and can be exploited as a photo op).

209 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:37:53am

re: #208 lawhawk

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And I’m beginning to think the GOP has a black knight mentality to everything it does.

Threaten economic catastrophe, by refusing to raise the debt ceiling, and then turning around with the nonsensical position that the default isn’t going to have an effect.

Threaten government shutdown, and then when they succeed in a shutdown, claim it’s just a trivial flesh wound (except for the parts that inconvenience and/or result in outrage from the public and can be exploited as a photo op).

BRYAN FISCHER:
OBAMA WANTS A DEBT DEFAULT THAT WILL DESTROY THE ECONOMY AND AMERICA!!!1!!11

DEBT DEFAULT AIN’T NO BIG THING!!!11!!!!1!!!

He actually said this:

210 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:38:45am

It’s Godwin Wednesday!

211 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:41:10am
212 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:42:47am

re: #210 Vicious Babushka


Obama really should cut off the wifi at the FEMA camps…

213 francis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:45:21am

re: #204 jamesfirecat

The minorities that registered to vote, voted. What law is going to prevent them from registering that is not covered in the 13, 14, 15 amendments.

The whites that don’t vote are just as bad as the blacks or Hispanics who won’t register. I is all a matter of what is important to the individual.

214 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:45:31am

The only thing Republicans are serious about is destroying the country.

I think it’s time to start recalls, if people are serious about protecting their lives and their livelihood. The Rs are all guilty of criminal activity, as far as I’m concerned—both those fomenting this act of treason on the People, and those who are allowing them to get away with it.

Can’t people see this? It is not a game—it’s our future. If they can’t deal with the changing demographics of the US, then they should step down and stop this criminal act of holding everything hostage while they diddle with the future. If they don’t, make them face up to their criminal actions.

215 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:47:53am

Being called an extremist = being a victim of a mass genocide. Nice try TP but that shit just makes you look even more hysterical than comparing ACA to Stalinism.

216 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:48:13am

DUMBEST MAN ON TEH INTERNETS:

217 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:49:11am

SECOND DUMBEST MAN ON TEH INTERNETS:

218 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:49:23am

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, his serious health crisis hasn’t slowed his derp. Guess he’s got to play catchup?

219 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:50:24am

These guys want a shutdown but then they don’t want the actual consequences of a shut down. Dumbnuts.

220 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:50:46am

Oh shit, now Miley is spamming #UniteBlue with her derp.

221 francis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:50:53am

re: #196 Justanotherhuman

Education is the most powerful weapon you can use to change the world, Nelson Mandela. Some people would rather do nothing and blame others, he was not one of them and he recognized the problem and the solution in one statement.

222 francis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:54:53am

re: #198 Mattand

It would be easier to educate the minorities and have them vote with you rather than try to stop them, however the GOP might be looking for the educated minority voter that has a greater influence on their peers.

223 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:56:16am

re: #221 francis

Education is the most powerful weapon you can use to change the world, Nelson Mandela. Some people would rather do nothing and blame others, he was not one of them and he recognized the problem and the solution in one statement.

en.wikipedia.org

224 SnowdenBaggerVance  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:58:22am

Because non-citizens voting has been such a problem.

Since the Big Tent strategy of improved messaging and outreach is not working, try to remove votes from your opponents.

Freedom!

225 francis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:02:56am

re: #214 Justanotherhuman

Was it a criminal act to sell guns to the drug cartel?

Is it a criminal act not to enforce the drug laws?

I don’t believe either party is worth the effort that Americans go through to put them into office. I would like to see more independents and less radicals with single minded agendas.

226 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:03:51am

*HEADDESK*

227 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:04:21am

Well, then. Looks like George Will will fit in quite nicely in his new home:

“I hear Democrats say, ‘The Affordable Care Act is the law,’ as though we’re supposed to genuflect at that sunburst of insight and move on. Well, the Fugitive Slave Act was the law, separate but equal was the law, lots of things are the law and then we change them.”

But, wait! He’s still sensible!

Will said that one party using the debt ceiling as leverage to extract concessions from another is “not novel,” but said it’s unlikely Republicans could use that strategy to thwart Obamacare.

“It wouldn’t work. A tactic is supposed to have at least an articulable path to victory and success, and I don’t see it.”

228 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:04:31am

Appears that the GOP did the calculus that indicated playing to a racist and fundamentalist base was going to pay better than direct competition with the Democrats in trying to appeal to a broad group like the entire US citizenry.

It might have worked in the short-run, but it’s been sliding downhill for a while now. Forced to run farther and farther right and shrinking the base further*. And they will continue to alienate the center and various minorities since the calculus now indicates that any moderation will cost them more in the short-run than they will gain.

* - A politico article had a GOP staffer complaining that all someone has to do to run against them was to move a few inches right of their boss and then fund raise off of it. That’s what you get when you polarize your party and have no moderate and liberal wings left to balance your fanatics. The slope leads right and gets just steeper and steeper until the WIngularity Horizon is reached and the rhetoric drops into the Derp Hole.

229 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:04:46am

I don’t know how she can do it.

230 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:05:16am

I’m so sick of news clips of John McCain crying about the budget problems.

You sir have no room to talk. You more than anyone helped bring this insanity on the country.

Yeah, you should be embarrassed and ashamed.

231 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:05:55am

re: #227 Internet Tough Guy

Well, then. Looks like George Will will fit in quite nicely in his new home:

But, wait! He’s still sensible!

Because ACA is just like the Fugitive Slave Law. Good fucking god, it’s health care reform. Typical fuck you, I got mine attitude that you see by the right. Hey, George your son with Downs will never be able to be denied coverage because of his condition because of this legislation. You know the same one you’re likening to slavery, you stupid fuck.

232 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:06:32am

re: #229 Vicious Babushka

I don’t know how she can do it.

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I don’t either and he shows again why he’s a pathetic asshole who if there’s such thing as karma should come back as a single mom in his next life.

233 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:07:13am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Because ACA is just like the Fugitive Slave Law. Good fucking god, it’s health care reform. Typical fuck you, I got mine attitude that you see by the right. Hey, George your son with Downs will never be able to be denied coverage because of his condition because of this legislation. You know the same one you’re likening to slavery, you stupid fuck.

RWNJs just love this idiotic meme.

234 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:07:51am

re: #232 HappyWarrior

I don’t either and he shows again why he’s a pathetic asshole who if there’s such thing as karma should come back as a single mom cheeseburger in his next life.

235 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:10:03am
236 darthstar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:10:34am

Of course, someone else will end up writing the whole song and get all the fame and glory, but I did have an original thought on the internet…once.

237 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:10:48am

re: #210 Vicious Babushka

It’s Godwin Wednesday!

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Sigh….

You know, it won’t be long now before the last of the survivors of the Shoah are gone, and thus we won’t have anyone to personally remind us that there’s a wee bit of difference between rounding people up and sending them to the gas chambers by the tens of thousands (you know, what the Nazis did to Jews) and calling them “fucking morons” on the internet (you know, what I and other liberals do to teabaggers).

238 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:12:39am

Cat offered Limbaugh Chezburger: NOT WANT

239 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:13:41am

Geez, when you’ve lost J-Pod…

If ObamaCare had been as unpopular as conservatives believed, their plan for the shutdown — that there would be a public uprising to force Democratic senators in close races in 2014 to defund it — would’ve worked. It didn’t. Not a single senator budged.

[…]

Their tactic failed, and now what they are left with is House Speaker John Boehner basically begging the president of the United States to negotiate with him.

[…]

One thing we know for sure is that it’s not an equal fight, this fight between a man who received 65 million votes nationwide and a man who received 246,000 votes in one congressional district in Ohio.

It literally causes me pain to say I agree with anything Podhoretz has to say, but he’s got this one right. Ouch. Ouch.

240 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:14:03am

re: #229 Vicious Babushka

I don’t know how she can do it.

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Times like this make me wish I weren’t an atheist, because it annoys me that I don’t believe in a hell for Limbaugh to go to.

241 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:15:02am

re: #236 darthstar

Of course, someone else will end up writing the whole song and get all the fame and glory, but I did have an original thought on the internet…once.

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Republicans aren’t entitled to try to overturn laws or make policy that was rejected in elections.

This is exactly what these sore losers are trying to do with the idiots they elected to the House.

242 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:15:38am


Enough with the nonsense about how Democrats and Obama created this crisis.

Speaker Boehner admits the gig is up when he was on George Stephanopolis’ show this past Sunday. The Speaker admits not only to having discussions in July with Senate Majority Leader Reid and a verbal agreement to a budget deal that was $70 billion less than what the Senate had been previously willing to go, but then reneged on the deal because he and the insane clown TP posse decided to make the nation hostage to their demands to eliminate Obamacare or else. That’s all on the GOP. No one else.

And it’s time for all the media to quit playing that this is something that both sides made happen, or that the President and the Senate are responsible for this. The Speaker gave the game away and admits for all the world to see that the House GOP blew up a deal on a budget over Obamacare.

Now, they’re still holding to that line, and adding the default to their bag of crazy. I still think Democrats should offer up a position that adds a month to each new crazy demand the GOP offers up or half-assed partial CR to fund parts of government that they want for photo ops (NPS, etc.). Instead of offering up concessions, Democrats need to make this video so widely known and public that no one can deny who is behind the shutdown and who owns this disaster.

It’s the GOP. The Party of Irresponsibility and target fixation on destroying Obamacare at all costs.

It’s the GOP. The Party that thinks that expanding access to health insurance to most Americans is a greater threat to the world than the national default.

243 darthstar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:16:30am
244 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:16:48am

re: #233 Vicious Babushka

RWNJs just love this idiotic meme.

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Yeah I’ve seen you post that before. They have this idiotic idea that they shouldn’t pay for things that don’t directly effect them. Gee, I’m never going to drive a tank, i.e. I shouldn’t pay for the military. That’s not how the social contract works.

245 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:20:52am

re: #239 makeitstop

That’s nice and all, but this actually feeds into the teabagger narrative that the establishment will turn on them when things get tough.

/emo
/put on Joy Division, stares at Smiths poster

246 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:20:59am

Approval of Congress is down to 5%, per AP poll. Republicans get most of the blame.

AP-GfK Poll: Republicans get most blame for shutdown, tea party is potent and divisive factor

washingtonpost.com

It appears that there are, sadly, many ill-informed on this issue, too.

247 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:21:09am

re: #239 makeitstop

The GOP wants this fight. The President is giving it to them, knowing that if the GOP wins, it will mean a corrosive and undermining influence on all governance going forward (because who’s to say that when the situations are reversed and GOP is in the WH and Democrats control Congress, that the same tactics wont be used to undo something that the GOP holds dear and seeks to destroy by fiat what they couldn’t do at the ballot box).

And the GOP and Speaker Boehner is on record as saying that the default must be avoided and that the debt ceiling has to be raised - yet he’s playing games that will lead to the very default he warns about all because of pandering to the extremists. Except that he too is an extremist for buying into that position instead of repudiating it.

He admits he’s an extremist when he went along with the whole defund/delay/destroy Obamacare effort - 40+ times, to say nothing of scuttling a handshake deal on a budget back in July (see my prior post).

After all that, he doesn’t need a life preserver to get “something” out of the deal instead of an unconditional surrender. He, and the rest of the GOP, needs an anvil instead, for attempting to scuttle the national and global economy by threatening default if they don’t get their demands met.

248 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:22:18am

re: #239 makeitstop

Geez, when you’ve lost J-Pod…

It literally causes me pain to say I agree with anything Podhoretz has to say, but he’s got this one right. Ouch. Ouch.

Did J-Pod ever stop to think what would happen if he handed the keys of the party to religious lunatics who view the President as Satan and view ignorance of the world around them as the ultimate virtue?

J-Pod (and his crew at Commentary), The US Chamber of Commerce, and all the other conservatives who looked the other way on this insanity rather than fight it can go fuck themselves with a rusty screwdriver.

249 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:25:08am

Here is a link to contact John Bonehead. I have used it once a week over the last few weeks. I keep reminding him of how he is doing a bang up job with those low congress popularity ratings and how great his entry into the history books will be.

Let him know how you feel. This is how democracy works. And even if he is ignoring it. I still think with volume the message gets through. He can ignore, but I’m sure some poor staffer will be doing reports on incoming. Maybe his staff can start to chew on his leg, or maybe they will get frustrated by it all and decide they need to move on to something worthwhile and positive.

Contact The Speaker of the House

Go ahead and vent a little. It’s good to be active, if even in a small way. Just keep it clean so they can’t discount your comments.

250 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:25:10am

re: #239 makeitstop

Geez, when you’ve lost J-Pod…

It literally causes me pain to say I agree with anything Podhoretz has to say, but he’s got this one right. Ouch. Ouch.

I can remember when Commentary used to be a valuable, intelligent journal, not the sad, shrill nutbagging rantrag it has turned into.

251 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:28:07am

re: #248 Ian G.

Did J-Pod ever stop to think what would happen if he handed the keys of the party to religious lunatics who view the President as Satan and view ignorance of the world around them as the ultimate virtue?

J-Pod (and his crew at Commentary), The US Chamber of Commerce, and all the other conservatives who looked the other way on this insanity rather than fight it can go fuck themselves with a rusty screwdriver.

It all comes down to the aforementioned believing they could contain a particular socio-cultural/political movement and bend it to their own will.

History is filled with examples of such fatal political miscalculations; this is but the latest chapter, sad to say.

252 darthstar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:28:26am
253 darthstar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:28:45am
254 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:37:34am

WHAT HARMS HAVE BEEN CAUSED? ENUMERATE.

255 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:39:14am

Are the hamsters on furlough?

256 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:39:21am
257 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:42:28am
258 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:42:34am

re: #256 Gus

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I heard. Sucks. Too damn young.

259 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:46:51am

How about blaming the GOP who sent the entire web support team on furlough as “non essential” on the day of a major production rollout.

260 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:48:36am

I have a question regarding Boehner’s shutdown rhetoric.

In every comment he’s made on this impasse, he’s used some variant of the phrase ‘Bringing fairness to the American people under Obamacare.’

Is that phrase supposed to mean something, or is it just focus group-tested argle-bargle?

261 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:49:35am

re: #260 makeitstop

I have a question regarding Boehner’s shutdown rhetoric.

In every comment he’s made on this impasse, he’s used some variant of the phrase ‘Bringing fairness to the American people under Obamacare.’

Is that phrase supposed to mean something, or is it just focus group-tested argle-bargle?

I think it’s mostly argle-bargle, but RWNJs keep repeating the old, debunked meme that Congress and other elites get “exempted” from the ACA.

262 bratwurst  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:49:51am

re: #254 Vicious Babushka

KOKE FM? I guess the call letters KOCH were already taken!

263 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:51:21am

Steve you ignorant slut.
Churches everywhere are open. Just military CHAPLAINS are not getting paid.

264 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:52:04am

re: #250 Vicious Babushka

I can remember when Commentary used to be a valuable, intelligent journal, not the sad, shrill nutbagging rantrag it has turned into.

I happen to think people get like that when they know they are in the wrong but still have to push to get what they want. The more wrong they are the crazier they get.

Yeah, they are that wrong. Most have been very wrong since late January ‘09.

265 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:52:27am

re: #254 Vicious Babushka

WHAT HARMS HAVE BEEN CAUSED? ENUMERATE.

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If the ACA is really such a hugely unpopular disaster, as the GOP bleats endlessly, it seems like the politically smart thing to do with mid-terms coming up would be to let it go into full, unmitigated effect and piss everyone off with its disasterousness. No Dem who supported it would ever be elected again, and all the GOP who said “I told you so” could gloat, strut, and twerk their way to majority control of the Senate, House, and White House for a long time to come.

Unless, of course, they know it’s not a hugely unpopular disaster…

Anyway, you are now vividly imagining Ted Cruz and Rand Paul twerking vehemently in Stars-and-Stripes booty shorts and nipple tassels while John Boehner and Mitch McConnell strut around like they just won Best in Show as the Westminster Kennel Club (or a drag show at Aunt Charlie’s Lounge). You’re welcome.

266 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:52:45am

WINGNUTS ARE SUPPOSED TO LOVE THEM SOME “FREE MARKET.” GET WITH THE PROGRAM. IT’S PROTECTIONISM, REGULATIONS AND YOONYUNZ THAT OBJECT TO OUTSOURCING, BUT BIG BUSINESS LOVES IT!

267 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:52:45am

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

Steve you ignorant slut.
Churches everywhere are open. Just military CHAPLAINS are not getting paid.

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The member of the party that panders to John Hagee is complaining about Anti-Catholicism. Rich.

268 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:53:41am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

The member of the party that panders to John Hagee is complaining about Anti-Catholicism. Rich.

I CAN HAZ COGNITIVE DISSONANCE?

269 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:54:08am
270 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:55:53am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

I heard. Sucks. Too damn young.

Sure took its toll on him…

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56 years old.

271 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:57:09am

Teh Godwinning Stupids.

272 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:57:51am

CONFIRMED. FACT.

273 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:59:07am
274 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:01:36am

re: #264 ObserverArt

I happen to think people get like that when they know they are in the wrong, but the still have to push to get what they want. The more wrong they are the crazier they get.

Yeah, they are that wrong. Most have been very wrong since late January ‘09.

They double down because the alternative is to admit that they were wrong. And for those people who are heavily invested in politics/religion/ideologies, that is simply the unthinkable.

275 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:03:28am

re: #270 Gus

Sure took its toll on him…

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56 years old.

Yeah sure did. He looks easily 20 years older than that. Poor guy. I hope he’s at peace now.

276 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:04:17am

re: #272 Vicious Babushka

CONFIRMED. FACT.

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probably forces them to pay for Viagra too…

277 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:05:22am

Ben Shapiro shilling for the Kochs. I sure hope at least they’re paying him for it.

278 SnowdenBaggerVance  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:05:37am

Every time somebody whines ‘they’re all to blame’ a TeaTard Angel gets its wings.

Blaming both sides is a net positive for the TeaTards.

They want small government. We’re all getting it.

279 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:05:41am

Wow. So, I logged onto the healthcare.com site yesterday and already I have gotten 4 emails and 1 call this morning. The guy that called said get ready to be inundated with calls and emails, there will be a strong fight for my business. He had some pretty good tips to offer and was extremely informative.

This is in Ohio too, with no help from Kasich,,,it is all the government exchange. I was surprised how many companies are offering packages through the exchange site.

I know one thing, after losing my job late last year (companies I did catalogs/advertising and ran the web stores…out of business and shut down) and having a real low income, I am going to need some help until I get some freelance work going. It looks like I may be able to get in for a decent coverage at a low price.

Yeah I am grateful for Obama care. I know it might not be the best answer to all the problems (yet!), but for me right now, it might be the difference of having or not having health insurance.

280 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:05:59am

thedailybeast.com
I’m not a big Dave Frum fan but this is worth a read.

281 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:07:55am

*OH THE HORROR*

282 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:08:12am

re: #260 makeitstop

I have a question regarding Boehner’s shutdown rhetoric.

In every comment he’s made on this impasse, he’s used some variant of the phrase ‘Bringing fairness to the American people under Obamacare.’

Is that phrase supposed to mean something, or is it just focus group-tested argle-bargle?

Yes.

283 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:09:25am

Jeff Bezos should have shut down Amazon.com the minute there was programming problems.

284 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:11:16am

re: #279 ObserverArt

Wow. So, I logged onto the healthcare.com site yesterday and already I have gotten 4 emails and 1 call this morning. The guy that called said get ready to be inundated with calls and emails, there will be a strong fight for my business. He had some pretty good tips to offer and was extremely informative.

This is in Ohio too, with no help from Kasich,,,it is all the government exchange. I was surprised how many companies are offering packages through the exchange site.

I know one thing, after losing my job late last year (companies I did catalogs/advertising and ran the web stores…out of business and shut down) and having a real low income, I am going to need some help until I get some freelance work going. It looks like I may be able to get in for a decent coverage at a low price.

Yeah I am grateful for Obama care. I know it might not be the best answer to all the problems (yet!), but for me right now, it might be the difference of having or not having health insurance.

I’m of the thought that ACA is a stepping stone in the road to better health care. It’s not the legislation that will make us have a health care system in line with Canada or the U.K but it’s a step in the correct direction. To me, the best thing about ACA is I can’t be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition anymore. That’s huge.

285 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:11:26am

re: #281 Vicious Babushka

You know, it’s too bad the shutdown and the default threat have kept the Obamacare bugs out of the headlines. If only the GOP could do something about that…..

286 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:13:16am

ALL TEH REAL PROGRAMMERS WITH TALENT GO TO WORK AT GOOGLE & APPLE AND ALL TEH LEFTOVER LOSERS WHO CAN’T GET A REAL JRRB GO TO WORK FOR TEH GUBMINT!!!1!!

The fact is that government IT contracts pay slightly more than private industry assignments that require the same skill set, however the private assignment can be a more pleasant work environment.

The JOB FROM HELL was heavily into the AGILE cult. I mean, we use AGILE here too, but as a productivity tool, not as an end in itself.

287 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:14:43am

Raising the debt ceiling is to PAY OFF DEBTS ALREADY INCURRED you fuckstick.

288 Dr. Matt  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:14:54am

hahahaaha

289 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:15:43am

Here is why you fuckstick:

290 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:15:47am

re: #288 Dr. Matt

hahahaaha

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Day made, thanks.

291 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:17:15am

Just remember, the Teapublicans want to bring these JRRBZ and work conditions BACK HOME.

292 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:18:28am
293 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:19:55am

re: #292 Gus

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Awww.

294 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:21:03am

re: #292 Gus

New Zionist Overlord still MOAR CUTE.

295 Mattand  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:23:18am

re: #292 Gus

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Great. Things are so bad that kangaroos are mugging children for their pajamas and beds.

THANKS, OBAMA!

296 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:25:02am
297 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:27:09am

re: #296 Gus

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Insane Trucker Posse.

298 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:28:58am

re: #270 Gus

Sure took its toll on him…

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56 years old.

To be brutally honest, I expected Shane to be the first one to go.

299 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:29:05am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Insane Trucker Posse.

FUCKING D.O.T.; HOW DOES IT WORK?

300 calochortus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:29:26am

re: #279 ObserverArt

Just a drive-by, but I thought I’d mention that I’m happy to report that we do not to get a healthcare subsidy. Happy, because that means we had a decent income.

And you know what? I’m also happy to have my tax dollars help other people get health insurance, just like I’m happy to have roads, and sewer systems.

It did occur to me that one reason the conservatives don’t like everyone getting health insurance is that it gives people one less thing to be fearful of. And they do live thrive on fear.

So congrats to you and everyone else who will be able to get health insurance.

301 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:30:26am

Seriously between these trucker thugs who worry me far more than any “union thug” ever has and the oathkeepers, there’s sure a lot of batshit in the air.

302 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:31:05am

re: #300 calochortus

Just a drive-by, but I thought I’d mention that I’m happy to report that we do not to get a healthcare subsidy. Happy, because that means we had a decent income.

And you know what? I’m also happy to have my tax dollars help other people get health insurance, just like I’m happy to have roads, and sewer systems.

It did occur to me that one reason the conservatives don’t like everyone getting health insurance is that it gives people one less thing to be fearful of. And they do live thrive on fear.

So congrats to you and everyone else who will be able to get health insurance.

This is an awesome post, plus 1.

303 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:32:47am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Seriously between these trucker thugs who worry me far more than any “union thug” ever has and the oathkeepers, there’s sure a lot of batshit in the air.

I remember the crazy when Clinton was President, and it was nothing like what we’re seeing now. This has reached a whole new level. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: I’m genuinely surprised we haven’t seen an OKC-style attack yet.

304 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:35:10am

re: #225 francis

Was it a criminal act to sell guns to the drug cartel?

Is it a criminal act not to enforce the drug laws?

I don’t believe either party is worth the effort that Americans go through to put them into office. I would like to see more independents and less radicals with single minded agendas.

Franics in our current first past the post voting system it has been mathematically proven that “serious” independent parties only end up hurting whichever of the more established parties they are closer to politically thus doing more to get people elected who do not represent their views.

Wishing for independent parties to “help” get people in the middle elected is never EVER going to happen, it will just lead to more extremists getting elected because the people in the middle split their votes.

Here’s a helpful video on the subject!


Youtube Video

305 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:36:56am

re: #303 Dr Lizardo

I remember the crazy when Clinton was President, and it was nothing like what we’re seeing now. This has reached a whole new level. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: I’m genuinely surprised we haven’t seen an OKC-style attack yet.

I remember it too and thinking it was just nuts. Like I remember a childhood friend obviously parroting his folks claiming that President Clinton had sold our secrets to the Chinese but they were Alan Keyes supporters. Fringe for the GOP and right wing at that time. And I am too by the way, pleasantly surprised I should emphasize clearly but I do worry about right wing domestic terrorism.

306 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:37:42am

re: #272 Vicious Babushka

CONFIRMED. FACT.

And in my insurance policy I pay for hysterectomies to be covered. Being male I don’t think I am going to avail myself of that option. So the nuns can just fuck and worry about getting prego if they don’t want to use that option.

307 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:41:07am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

I remember it too and thinking it was just nuts. Like I remember a childhood friend obviously parroting his folks claiming that President Clinton had sold our secrets to the Chinese but they were Alan Keyes supporters. Fringe for the GOP and right wing at that time. And I am too by the way, pleasantly surprised I should emphasize clearly but I do worry about right wing domestic terrorism.

I too have a concern about right-wing domestic terrorism. The central image of the Tea Party is armed rebellion against tyranny.

I fear it may not be too much longer before they try something, particularly if the Democratic Party retains the Senate come the mid-terms next year, and if the GOP’s majority in the House gets whittled down to a tiny handful.

If the Democrats actually take the House - though I think gerrymandering might preclude that outcome - then the RWNJ’s are gonna go through the roof. They will not do any soul-searching as to why they’re losing; they’ll simply conclude that it’s the fault of “others”.

308 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:42:44am

[THROWS A SHOE]

309 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:44:26am

re: #307 Dr Lizardo

I too have a concern about right-wing domestic terrorism. The central image of the Tea Party is armed rebellion against tyranny.

I fear it may not be too much longer before they try something, particularly if the Democratic Party retains the Senate come the mid-terms next year, and if the GOP’s majority in the House gets whittled down to a tiny handful.

If the Democrats actually take the House - though I think gerrymandering might preclude that outcome - then the RWNJ’s are gonna go through the roof. They will not do any soul-searching as to why they’re losing; they’ll simply conclude that it’s the fault of “others”.

Yep, you undescored it better than I can here. I think if there is a backlash against them at the polls and I totally expect it. They won’t want to do any internal soul searching but they’ll be angry and see it as the fault of the “others.” The thing that has disturbed me about the TP movement from its inception is that it’s a totally negative movement and seeks to scapegoat. These guys can compare themselves to Reagan all they want but I have to say even though Reagan was a man I’d never vote for, the man was unlike the TP at least able to ooze optimism. The TP’s energies are directed at the resentments of people.

310 klys  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:49:14am

Up early this morning to take the kitty to the vet for a dental cleaning.

I am going to be a very anxious kitty mom until the kitty is back home, because the last time I took a kitten to a vet and left them there was when Coco got so sick and we had to let her go.

311 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:50:35am


The TP response (which hasn’t been announced, but likely will come in this form):

We thank you for your largesse and financing in getting the extortionist wing off the ground, but we’re going to take Obamacare out if it’s the last thing we do.

Koch may be trying to find a way out for Boehner, but the TP is too fixated on Obamacare to actually notice the lifeline.

312 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:50:41am
313 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:52:01am

re: #311 lawhawk

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The TP response (which hasn’t been announced, but likely will come in this form):

We thank you for your largesse and financing in getting the extortionist wing off the ground, but we’re going to take Obamacare out if it’s the last thing we do.

Koch may be trying to find a way out for Boehner, but the TP is too fixated on Obamacare to actually notice the lifeline.

The Teahadis aren’t gonna like that one bit.

314 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:52:49am

re: #311 lawhawk

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The TP response (which hasn’t been announced, but likely will come in this form):

We thank you for your largesse and financing in getting the extortionist wing off the ground, but we’re going to take Obamacare out if it’s the last thing we do.

Koch may be trying to find a way out for Boehner, but the TP is too fixated on Obamacare to actually notice the lifeline.

Heh, they helped create this monster.

315 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:53:23am

re: #311 lawhawk

Per NBC’s Isikoff, Koch Industries has sent a letter to members of Congress, saying that Obamacare should NOT be tied to shutdown fight

The rich dudes are starting to get a tad bit nervous.

There is an epic smackdown coming, but like you said, the Teabaggers may not have enough sense to see it for what it is.

316 piratedan  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:53:30am

re: #311 lawhawk

ohhhh, so master has noticed that the Monster is still at large and rampaging thru town and across the countryside and who knows, could even show up at the palatial estate….. how nice of you chaps to think about shackling the Monster you created….///

317 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:54:58am

re: #315 makeitstop

The rich dudes are starting to get a tad bit nervous.

There is an epic smackdown coming, but like you said, the Teabaggers may not have enough sense to see it for what it is.

An epic smackdown will leave the Teahadis feeling even more “betrayed” and “victimized”.

I think I’ll have to stock up on popcorn.

318 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:55:11am

re: #316 piratedan

ohhhh, so master has noticed that the Monster is still at large and rampaging thru town and across the countryside and who knows, could even show up at the palatial estate….. how nice of you chaps to think about shackling the Monster you created….///

Koch unleashed the Kraken (or Cthulhu if you prefer) and now can’t stop or even contain ‘em.

319 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:55:29am
320 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:56:58am

re: #317 Dr Lizardo

An epic smackdown will leave the Teahadis feeling even more “betrayed” and “victimized”.

I think I’ll have to stock up on popcorn.

Yep. They’re locked in their little dance of death, and woe to anyone who tries to stop them.

That Gadsden flag snake? Eating its tail right now, thinking it’s a tasty snack.

321 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:57:34am

re: #320 makeitstop

Yep. They’re locked in their little dance of death, and woe to anyone who tries to stop them.

That Gadsden flag snake? Eating its tail right now, thinking it’s a tasty snack.

LOLOLOL

322 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:58:55am

That letter from Koch Industries to (presumably) the GOP Congressmembers means one thing.

Game Over.

323 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:00:02am
324 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:01:03am

re: #322 Dr Lizardo

That letter from Koch Industries to (presumably) the GOP Congressmembers means one thing.

Game Over.

Only if it was attached to a rejected fund request.

325 Dr. Matt  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:01:08am

re: #311 lawhawk

Per NBC’s Isikoff, Koch Industries has sent a letter to members of Congress, saying that Obamacare should NOT be tied to shutdown fight
— Mark Murray (@mmurraypolitics) October 9, 2013

Just imagine if Boogeyman Soros sent a letter to members of Congress….the RWNJ/Con Media outrage would be deafening.

326 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:02:39am

re: #325 Dr. Matt

Just imagine if Boogeyman Soros sent a letter to members of Congress….the RWNJ/Con Media outrage would be deafening.

Glenn Beck would be saying something something Hitler. I think the Kochs even know that this ACA shit is a sure loser. The Kochs are asses obviously but they’re more practical minded than the TP dumb nuts.

327 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:02:55am

re: #323 lawhawk

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David should sit down with Ted, Canadian-to-Canadian, and tell him to fuck off. Eh?

328 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:03:24am
329 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:05:24am

GOP willing to lose house in shutdown fight

330 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:06:22am

re: #328 lawhawk

Conservative reporters should have refused to meet with Obama until he agreed to defund Obamacare.

…and get tossed into the ‘no press conference questions for you’ room with Jon Karl, Ed Henry and Chuck Todd.

Hey, go for it, guys. Cut that nose off.

331 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:06:28am

re: #328 lawhawk

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Yes, extortion. Remind me again who uses “Chicago tactics” again right wing.

332 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:06:42am

re: #328 lawhawk

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re: #328 lawhawk

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Fair and balanced, right? Don’t worry. I doubt the President would even waste his time.

333 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:07:28am

re: #329 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

GOP willing to lose house in shutdown fight

They say that but they’re going to cry like hell when they see outright the American populace reject them and then they’ll convince themselves that they just need to “rebrand” that the problem wasn’t shutting down the government, it was “how they did it.”

334 piratedan  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:08:30am

re: #329 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

they won’t really be affected until they lose their mistresses or those second homes….. ///

335 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:09:43am

Ha…Micheal Steele is on Alex Wagner and saying the Repubs with the Koch letter in hand are now leaderless, rudderless and clueless. They got everyone on the bandwagon and now they want to change the wagon’s direction and no one wants off.

Hey Mike…coulda told you that a few years ago.

336 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:11:25am
337 piratedan  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:13:15am

re: #336 Lidane

please proceed, Congresswoman Bachmann

338 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:17:37am

Because total economic collapse can be managed:


These people are insane. They’re going to take us to default for no goddamn reason and they think it’s something they can control. WTF.

339 darthstar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:18:04am
340 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:18:45am

Meanwhile, in Oklahoma:

gasline explosion

341 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:19:55am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

Meanwhile, in Oklahoma:

gasline explosion

YOONYUNZ!!!! REGULASHUNZ!!11!!

Oh wait…

342 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:20:25am
343 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:20:54am

re: #338 Lidane

Because total economic collapse can be managed:

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These people are insane. They’re going to take us to default for no goddamn reason and they think it’s something they can control. WTF.

Their single-minded fanaticism has led them to hubris and insanity. Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

344 piratedan  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:26:02am

re: #338 Lidane

Jaysus, next we’ll see Coburn out on the steps of the Capitol shovelling rain……

345 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:27:31am

re: #344 piratedan

Jaysus, next we’ll see Coburn out on the steps of the Capitol shovelling rain……

I don’t think that’s rain…

346 Mike Lamb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:28:40am

re: #328 lawhawk

Is that a threat or a promise?

347 Mike Lamb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:29:17am

re: #342 Lidane

So here’s a question: if nothing bad will happen if the debt limit is not raised, then why is it considered a tool for leverage?

348 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:30:25am

YAYYY!!!! WE WIN!!!!!!

349 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:31:20am

An example of how FREAKING STUPID the wingnuts are:

350 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:32:08am

re: #347 Mike Lamb

And if it’s indeed a tool for leverage, then they admit that they’re extortionists willing to torch the economy. Boehner and the rest of the GOP think that they can play the ambiguity to their advantage here, but the mask keeps falling off.

They instigated this shutdown over demanding to destroy Obamacare. They’re willing to torch the economy to do the same. And there’s no one on the GOP side willing to admit that this isn’t a strategy worth a damn. It’s party seppuku, except they think that this will win them votes down the line.

351 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:33:19am

HURR HURR WHY CAN’T TEH GUBMINT MANAGE MONEY LIKE MY GRANNY WHO NEVER BOUGHT A THING SHE DIDN’T PUT DOWN CASH ON THE BARREL HEAD!!!11!!!

352 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:33:55am

Remember the article I linked to the other day from the Bipartisan Policy Center? Here’s an article by Paul Ryan endorsing the ideas….
Paul Ryan: Here’s How We Can End This Stalemate

These ideas have the support of nonpartisan groups like the Bipartisan Policy Center and the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, and they would strengthen these critical programs. And all of them would help pay down the debt.
….
Rep. Dave Camp (R., Mich.) and Sen. Max Baucus (D., Mont.) have been working for more than a year now on a bipartisan plan to reform the tax code. They agree on the fundamental principles: Broaden the base, lower the rates and simplify the code. The president himself has argued for just such an approach to corporate taxes. So we should discuss how Congress can take up the Camp-Baucus plan when it’s ready.

353 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:34:58am

re: #348 Vicious Babushka

Yeah. Congress rating down to 5 points. Obama still has the advantage. And he’s not running for office again. The GOP is. They face elections next year, and if they proceed to torch the economy because of their shutdown, they have bigger worries than the President’s ratings. They may face a backlash that loses them control over the House (with the caveats about gerrymandering notwithstanding)

355 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:35:27am

re: #350 lawhawk

And if it’s indeed a tool for leverage, then they admit that they’re extortionists willing to torch the economy. Boehner and the rest of the GOP think that they can play the ambiguity to their advantage here, but the mask keeps falling off.

They instigated this shutdown over demanding to destroy Obamacare. They’re willing to torch the economy to do the same. And there’s no one on the GOP side willing to admit that this isn’t a strategy worth a damn. It’s party seppuku, except they think that this will win them votes down the line.

Indeed. If the GOP succeeds in their insane attempt to crash and burn the economy, they’ll have graduated from being mere Al Qaeda-esque economic terrorists to full-on members of a political version of Jim Jones’ People’s Temple.

356 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:36:29am

re: #352 Killgore Trout

Because conservatives are going to listen to Paul Ryan. Oh wait:

357 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:36:58am

The beginning of the end?

The beginning of the end? Paul Ryan op-ed appears to be an olive branch and a way out of the budget stalemate… But can conservatives accept that potential end (which has no Obamacare changes?)…

358 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:37:05am

WTFITS

359 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:37:33am

re: #188 francis

npr.org

re: #213 francis

The minorities that registered to vote, voted. What law is going to prevent them from registering that is not covered in the 13, 14, 15 amendments.

The whites that don’t vote are just as bad as the blacks or Hispanics who won’t register. I is all a matter of what is important to the individual.

Good morning francis.

Did you see the part where 15,000 people have been prevented from registering in Kansas by the new rule that’s being challenged in court? It’s at the end of the second block quote at the top of the page. 15,000 people. Prevented from registering. Let that sink in. Also, I provided a link to the article, so you can go there and read it yourself.

360 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:37:41am

re: #356 Lidane

Because conservatives are going to listen to Paul Ryan. Oh wait:

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Man, ain’t nobody safe from The Crazy. Not even their own darlings…

361 blueraven  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:38:17am

re: #352 Killgore Trout

Remember the article I linked to the other day from the Bipartisan Policy Center? Here’s an article by Paul Ryan endorsing the ideas….
Paul Ryan: Here’s How We Can End This Stalemate

All well and fine KT. Many of these have already been on the table by the President. But note what Ryan does not mention in his op-ed. Obamacare. Do you think Boehner can get a vote on any of this without Obamacare concessions?
Dream on.

362 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:38:37am

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Give up on your pathetic fantasy of Paul Ryan being able to MBF his way out of the mess that the Republicans created. The conservatives aren’t going to listen to him at all. He leaves out Obamacare, which they consider a non-starter.

363 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:39:00am

re: #356 Lidane

Because conservatives are going to listen to Paul Ryan. Oh wait:

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I’m sure there will be plenty of complaining from all sides but the Bipartisan Polcy Center’s ideas are the most likely outcome I’ve seen so far.

364 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:39:15am

re: #353 lawhawk

Yeah. Congress rating down to 5 points. Obama still has the advantage. And he’s not running for office again. The GOP is. They face elections next year, and if they proceed to torch the economy because of their shutdown, they have bigger worries than the President’s ratings. They may face a backlash that loses them control over the House (with the caveats about gerrymandering notwithstanding)

That’s what I wrote in my email to Boehner today. I mentioned that most polls have a 5% fudge factor, so technically it would be possible that no one likes you and congress. 0% think about it John. I said you might as well kick the Tea Party out of your party since you are a political dead man walking no matter what you do. Do the right thing and maybe you could get a 10% favorable rating before you lose your job.

365 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:39:59am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

I’m sure there will be plenty of complaining from all sides but the Bipartisan Polcy Center’s ideas are the most likely outcome I’ve seen so far.

Only in your Magical Balance Fairy fantasies. Won’t happen. The GOP are far too invested in destroying the country over Obamacare. Anything that doesn’t mention it is a non-starter for the right.

366 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:41:43am

re: #365 Lidane

Only in your Magical Balance Fairy fantasies. Won’t happen. The GOP are far too invested in destroying the country over Obamacare. Anything that doesn’t mention it is a non-starter for the right.

Exactomundo.

367 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:41:43am

re: #355 Dr Lizardo

Indeed. If the GOP succeeds in their insane attempt to crash and burn the economy, they’ll have graduated from being mere Al Qaeda-esque economic terrorists to full-on members of a political version of Jim Jones’ People’s Temple.

Except that the Jim Jones nut cases didn’t kidnap large numbers of innocent bystanders and have them drink poison as well.

The GOP is only incidentally suicidal. Its intended purpose is murderous —- a country that has the temerity to have Democrats partially or completely in charge must be destroyed.

368 Dr. Matt  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:42:37am

re: #213 francis

The minorities that registered to vote, voted. What law is going to prevent them from registering that is not covered in the 13, 14, 15 amendments.

The whites that don’t vote are just as bad as the blacks or Hispanics who won’t register. I is all a matter of what is important to the individual.

You should write a letter to the President about this.

369 Mike Lamb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:43:00am

re: #349 Vicious Babushka

Let’s just set aside, for the moment, the idea that comparing the federal gov’t’s budget to a single family household is completely moronic—how come that little “Cliff’s Notes” version doesn’t list the total debt for the family—you know, the debt they’ve already committed to re-paying? Total liability on a mortgage, car, maybe student loans, a personal loan, etc. Or why doesn’t it discuss that a family, even if it can’t afford to pay for the entire car or house now, nevertheless borrows in order to get something that they need?

The second comparison is just beyond stupid. A better analogy is that I’m building a house. I get a construction loan for a total indebtedness of $1M that I have to take out in draws. I enter into a series of contracts with various trades that total the $1M—a.k.a. I’m on the hook for the money to be paid out. As the trades send in pay applications for work performed, I have to return to the bank to get more money to pay for these existing obligations. The bank isn’t giving me money for new spending. It’s giving me money for the old financial commitments.

Good lord. But, Choir. Preaching.

370 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:43:17am

re: #367 EPR-radar

Except that the Jim Jones nut cases didn’t kidnap large numbers of innocent bystanders and have them drink poison as well.

The GOP is only incidentally suicidal. Its intended purpose is murderous —- a country that has the temerity to have Democrats partially or completely in charge must be destroyed.

Heh. Something of a doomsday cult; the belief that the wicked and the immoral will be brought low, while they, the members of the cult, will be elevated to positions of leadership and glory. They shall make a wasteland, and call it peace.

371 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:43:35am
372 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:44:30am

re: #369 Mike Lamb

Let’s just set aside, for the moment, the idea that comparing the federal gov’t’s budget to a single family household is completely moronic—how come that little “Cliff’s Notes” version doesn’t list the total debt for the family—you know, the debt they’ve already committed to re-paying? Total liability on a mortgage, car, maybe student loans, a personal loan, etc. Or why doesn’t it discuss that a family, even if it can’t afford to pay for the entire car or house now, nevertheless borrows in order to get something that they need?

The second comparison is just beyond stupid. A better analogy is that I’m building a house. I get a construction loan for a total indebtedness of $1M that I have to take out in draws. I enter into a series of contracts with various trades that total the $1M—a.k.a. I’m on the hook for the money to be paid out. As the trades send in pay applications for work performed, I have to return to the bank to get more money to pay for these existing obligations. The bank isn’t giving me money for new spending. It’s giving me money for the old financial commitments.

Good lord. But, Choir. Preaching.

You can’t explain that to RWNJs because MATH IS HARD.

373 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:45:51am
374 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:47:16am
375 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:47:37am

re: #358 Vicious Babushka

376 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:49:08am

So who gets to play Tyr in this scenario and gets to put their hand in Fenris’ mouth in order to allow him to be chained?

377 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:53:39am

re: #311 lawhawk

The reason for the letter is pretty simple. If the shutdown happens a lot of the wealth of the 1% goes away. Oh, they’ll still be the 1%, but taking a 10% haircut (or worse - I’ve seen estimates of as high as 50% for some categories) HURTS.

Hurts enough some will go bankrupt, actually. Because a commonality of human nature is to spend close to your means, regardless of what your means may be.

378 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:54:28am

re: #64 Lidane

BTW, here’s “reformed” EDL leader Tommy Robinson just a few days ago on Twitter:

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The day before that he was linking to the Gatestone Institute. Oh yeah, he’s had a real change of heart. The sincerity of his disavowing the racists and bigots in the EDL is just so obvious!

He’s also still a huge Geller/Spencer fanboy:

EDL Ex-Leader Tommy Robinson Refuses To End Association With Pamela Geller And Robert Spencer

The former leader of the English Defence League Tommy Robinson has vowed to continue his association with controversial anti-Islam activists Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer.

Geller and Spencer were banned from the UK, in a personal intervention from Home Secretary Theresa May, after a concerted campaign to stop the two addressing an EDL rally in Woolwich.

Robinson was defiant at a press conference last night about his departure from the EDL, insisting: “Why should I end my my relationship with them?”

His comments, along with a blogpost from Atlas Shrugged’s Geller, has sparked rumours the four will now set up a joint organisation. […]

How much do you want to bet some person or group on this side of the pond has offered him $$ and is going to use him as a poster boy?

I also wonder how much slack Anjem Choudary would be cut if he suddenly claimed to be breaking from his extremist peeps, then turned around and said he was going to maintain relationships with virulent anti-Semites?

380 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:54:58am

Read the timeline for this Tweet and watch this wingnut get destroyed:

381 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:55:11am

re: #147 wheat-dogghazi

The “social contract” between the governed and their government is yet another Enlightenment idea that libertarianism — and the current GOP — reject. Jefferson used John Locke’s interpretation of the social contract as the basis for the Declaration of Independence — the King had broken the social contract between him and the colonists, therefore the colonists were no longer bound by his laws. Tea Party types (including Paul père and fils) invoke the Declaration in their imaginary battle against the “tyranny” of our elected government without comprehending the underlying concept of government contained within the Declaration. Jefferson’s language clearly states that the government should ensure the life, liberty and happiness of the people. The American system of government makes the people the government. The Constitution and constitutional law embody that concept of governance with an elaborate set of checks and balances, and representation of the electorate. Thus, we the people have created a social contract binding all of us together.

Rejecting the idea of the social contract means one is rejecting a core value of the American system of government, the very premise of our Founding. Considering the right wing’s continual attacks on the separation of church and state, on the civil rights of all citizens, on the conclusions of fact-based science and economics, it’s no wonder that they should also reject the social contract. They want to return to the Old Days, when rich white people were the government and the poor people of any color should just go fuck themselves.

Favorited.

Glad to see you didn’t get stuck behind the Great Firewall of China.

382 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:56:19am

Someone’s feeling the heat:

383 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:57:10am

re: #379 Varek Raith

Gohmert shrugs off debt limit: Government can’t default if it stays shut down

This man is an elected official. I weep for Texas.

384 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:57:22am

re: #382 Lidane

Someone’s feeling the heat:

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Dear Koch brothers,
You helped create this monster, own it.
Pansies.

385 piratedan  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:57:56am

re: #382 Lidane

yeah, they’re behind the default because they’ve already most likely shorted the necessary stocks, but the shutdown… no we’re not responsible for that…. reprehensible fucks.

386 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:58:34am

Koch brothers paying taxes would sure take a big bite out of the deficit.

387 erik_t  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:58:43am

re: #384 Varek Raith

Dear Koch brothers,
You helped create this monster, own it.
Pansies.

Well, own it or kill it.

Either/or.

388 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:59:39am

re: #382 Lidane

Someone’s feeling the heat:

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389 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:00:29am

HURR HURR

390 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:00:30am

Some will be disappointed—but anyone who sees through this jerk’s schtick won’t be.

Chelsea Manning rejects ‘pacifist’ label in first statement since sentencing

Exclusive: In first public remarks since August guilty verdict, Wikileaks source expresses intense unhappiness at public presentation of her as a pacifist

theguardian.com

Sorry, but you don’t get to judge or decide what should be transparent, you fraud.

391 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:00:39am

re: #382 Lidane

Someone’s feeling the heat:

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Someone at TPM needs to get a proof reader. :-)

The letter was in response to comments on the Senate floor Tuesday by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (R-NV) in which he blamed Koch for the shutdown,

392 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:02:17am

re: #389 Vicious Babushka

“Eagles may soar, but weasels don’t get sucked into jet engines.”
- Steven Wright

393 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:02:59am

re: #382 Lidane

Someone’s feeling the heat:

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Some heat was applied Sunday:

[…]

A defunding “tool kit” created in early September included talking points for the question, “What happens when you shut down the government and you are blamed for it?” The suggested answer was the one House Republicans give today: “We are simply calling to fund the entire government except for the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare.”

The current budget brinkmanship is just the latest development in a well-financed, broad-based assault on the health law, Mr. Obama’s signature legislative initiative. Groups like Tea Party Patriots, Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks are all immersed in the fight, as is Club for Growth, a business-backed nonprofit organization. Some, like Generation Opportunity and Young Americans for Liberty, both aimed at young adults, are upstarts. Heritage Action is new, too, founded in 2010 to advance the policy prescriptions of its sister group, the Heritage Foundation.

The billionaire Koch brothers, Charles and David, have been deeply involved with financing the overall effort. A group linked to the Kochs, Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, disbursed more than $200 million last year to nonprofit organizations involved in the fight. Included was $5 million to Generation Opportunity, which created a buzz last month with an Internet advertisement showing a menacing Uncle Sam figure popping up between a woman’s legs during a gynecological exam.

[…]


A Federal Budget Crisis Months in the Planning

394 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:04:36am

re: #393 wrenchwench

Personal responsowhatsits!

395 erik_t  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:05:55am

re: #389 Vicious Babushka

It’s never like the “Democrats against war” or “Left-wingers for more sensible economic policy” or “The these-tax-cuts-will-bankrupt-us-you-morons club”.

It’s “extremely pissed-off right-wingers”.

Tells you a lot, really.

396 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:05:58am
397 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:08:09am
398 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:09:43am

re: #395 erik_t

It’s not a conincidence that the angriest, most blatantly political people you will see on your FB feed tend to be the conservatives you know. And the religious ones will post both angry ranty tweets about Obama and Bible verses.

It’s very strange.

399 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:15:55am
400 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:16:23am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They’re going to lose and I am grateful for that. McAuliffe will probably be at best mediocre but he won’t put the state down a so-con nutjob’s warpath and for that alone he’s better than Cuccinnelli.

401 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:17:40am

re: #399 Lidane

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In a comment posted to YouTube in mid-2013, Andrews encourages people to “do your research” and lays out her theory that “Osama Bin Laden is our President Obama,” explaining that they “have same height, bone structure, hands and ears both are left handed”:
Left handed, oh man she got him. But wow this is a special kind of right wing crazy.

402 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:27:17am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

In a comment posted to YouTube in mid-2013, Andrews encourages people to “do your research” and lays out her theory that “Osama Bin Laden is our President Obama,” explaining that they “have same height, bone structure, hands and ears both are left handed”:
Left handed, oh man she got him. But wow this is a special kind of right wing crazy.

I knew a woman in college who went away for three months and left her cat in the care of a friend. The cat ran away and disappeared. When she got back, the woman searched a long time for her cat. She finally found one the same color, with a different number of toes, and of a different sex. She could not be dissuaded from the belief that it was her cat that had disappeared.

Not the same person as the one in the link. Right sex and number of toes, though. /

403 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:03:54am

re: #222 francis

It would be easier to educate the minorities and have them vote with you rather than try to stop them, however the GOP might be looking for the educated minority voter that has a greater influence on their peers.

You just insulted all minorities, and in fact, everyone, who has ever voted for a non-Republican.

Why are you so hard to educate?


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