Republicans Say: Give Up Your Health Care or the Economy Gets It

The GOP’s “Braveheart moment”
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Yes, folks, the Tea Party loons who call the shots for the Republican Party are very serious about destroying the US economy: Republicans Say Obama Underestimates Their Resolve as Debt Default Nears.

While Democrats refuse to negotiate on the continuing resolution and the debt limit, apparently assuming the GOP will eventually cave, House Republicans insist they are prepared to bring borrowing authority to a screeching halt.

“I can assure you it’s not posturing. It’s not a political play or anything like that,” Rep. Phil Gingrey, R-Ga., told CQ Roll Call on Tuesday.

Gingrey said Republicans were “absolutely” prepared to lose the House to extract concessions on the CR and the debt limit, and he said the White House is “missing the determination of the Republican Party.”

“I mean, they seem to think that we will miss this opportunity for a ‘Braveheart’ moment to do the right thing for the American people and that we’ll back down for fear of losing the House and not gaining control of the Senate,” Gingrey said.

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239 comments
1 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:21:50am

Dear GOP,

Fuck off and eat a bag of dicks.

No regards,
The people of the United States.

2 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:22:58am

Dear GOP,
Fuck off.
- America

3 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:24:59am

Hey GOP, it’s 4th and 90, go for it! Quarterback sneak! Yah!

4 piratedan  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:25:06am

I’d just as soon these folks be arrested for the old crimes against the state, after all, if we’re gonna be accused of being commies anyway, might as well make an example of these know-nothing fucks that you don’t put the political will and financial well-being of the country at risk because you didn’t get a pony.

5 klys  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:25:31am

Man, I’m not sure who to believe here: the cynics who say that the deal has already been worked out, the politicians are just playing this for fundraising and money, and the Wall Street folks are happy because they’ll be able to make a profit …or the politicians who are sure acting exactly like True BelieversTM.

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Pfft, as if, I think it’s an easy call to say we’re fucked because the Tea Party folks mean it and are perfectly happy to take the rest of us with them.

6 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:25:35am

Dear GOP: “Braveheart” was a work of fiction from the diseased mind of a drunken, wife-beating anti-Semite. Also, for the analogy to work, the entire population of Scotland would have to be drawn and quartered at the end of the movie.

7 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:26:03am

I can’t wait for these same assholes to start whining when they see their 401(K) and their portfolios become worthless when the default they say is no big deal bites them in the ass.

Someone tell me again how the Republicans are the party of fiscal responsiblity. I need a good laugh.

8 erik_t  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:26:12am
“I mean, they seem to think that we will miss this opportunity for a ‘Braveheart’ moment to do the right thing for the American people and that we’ll back down for fear of losing the House and not gaining control of the Senate,” Gingrey said.

FREEEEDUMB

9 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:27:38am

To paraphrase John of Orange, this is not a fucking game, you mutant doorknobs. You are fucking with people’s livelihoods and doing so in some sort of deluded belief that hurting the nation is the only way to help it. What the fuck you think is going to happen when millions of Americans watch their 401ks tank, their savings dry up, and SS and Medicare go broke? Or when they’re paying out the ass on loan interests because you blew up the global economy in some sort of Quixotic quest to finally defeat Obama. Do you figure that an economic downturn that will not only hurt your children, but your grandchildren and their kids for decades is worth getting the last laugh here?

10 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:27:48am

re: #7 Lidane

I can’t wait for these same assholes to start whining when they see their 401(K) and their portfolios become worthless when the default they say is no big deal bites them in the ass.

Someone tell me again how the Republicans are the party of fiscal responsiblity. I need a good laugh.

The problem, of course, is that our portfolios become worthless too. So much for the money I’ve saved for my honeymoon….

11 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:28:00am
“I mean, they seem to think that we will miss this opportunity for a ‘Braveheart’ moment to do the right thing for the American people and that we’ll back down for fear of losing the House and not gaining control of the Senate,” Gingrey said.

Fake martyrdom.

12 erik_t  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:29:05am

“I mean, people seem to think we’ll miss the opportunity to piss down our leg and that we’ll back down for fear of losing all of the elections because the bulk of the population that we allege to represent hates what we’re planning on doing, hates that we’re not listening to them scream this from the hilltops, will hate what we end up doing, and will hate us for it.”

Democracy!

13 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:29:31am

This is their “Go Galt!” moment.

In their minds, John Galt is a hero. But to normal people, John Galt is a sociopathic supervillain.

14 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:30:07am

They’ve been predicting economic doom and social collapse for years and it hasn’t happened, so apparently they’ve decided to help the process along!

15 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:30:57am

A ‘Braveheart’ moment?

This dim bulb does know that William Wallace was drawn and quartered, doesn’t he?

He died at the end of the film (and in real life, as well). So what fatuous point is he making with this?

16 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:31:15am

Gingrey obviously forgets what happened at the end of Braveheart…

17 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:31:49am

“We’re ready for our Braveheart moment, but don’t shut down the congressional gym, forgodssake.”

18 erik_t  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:31:55am

I wonder how much the GOP is holding back the economy merely by making the common man at his desk piss his pants about the future for about 40% of any given hour.

(nervously raises hand)

19 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:32:52am

re: #10 Ian G.

The problem, of course, is that our portfolios become worthless too. So much for the money I’ve saved for my honeymoon….

Honeymoon on Boehner’s front lawn.

20 erik_t  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:32:54am

re: #15 Dr Lizardo

A ‘Braveheart’ moment?

This dim bulb does know that William Wallace was drawn and quartered, doesn’t he?

He died at the end of the film (and in real life, as well). So what fatuous point is he making with this?

Well, obviously, at the end of Braveheart, by way of Wallace’s noble sacrifice, Scotland became free of English influence forever.

…/?

21 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:33:17am

re: #16 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Gingrey obviously forgets what happened at the end of Braveheart…

In their deluded minds, this “brave sacrifice” on their parts will inspire voters to see that they’re right, vote more Republicans to office, and support them as they dismantle the social safety net in the name of derp…er, “freedom.”

22 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:33:19am

re: #10 Ian G.

The problem, of course, is that our portfolios become worthless too. So much for the money I’ve saved for my honeymoon….

I burned through the savings I had to stay afloat during grad school. I’m trying to rebuild now. I’m completely fucked when we default.

No “ifs”, I think. The GOP are determined to burn this country down and rule the ashes.

23 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:33:22am

re: #16 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Gingrey obviously forgets what happened at the end of Braveheart…

William Wallace got to eat haggis and drink scotch happily ever after in the loch right?

24 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:33:46am

re: #19 b_sharp

Honeymoon on Boehner’s front lawn.

Is that what they’re calling it these days.

25 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:34:03am

THere’s nothing brave or courageous at all about shutting down the government over more people being able to afford health care. In fact, it makes you look like cowards who are only concerned with yourselves.

26 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:34:04am

re: #22 Lidane

I burned through the savings I had to stay afloat during grad school. I’m trying to rebuild now. I’m completely fucked when we default.

No “ifs”, I think. The GOP are determined to burn this country down and rule piss on the ashes.

FTFY

27 erik_t  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:35:34am

re: #22 Lidane

No “ifs”, I think. The GOP are determined to burn this country down and rule the ashes.

The GOP are determined to shit all over the black man.

That is absolutely their only motivation. They can’t even decide any given afternoon whether or not the debt ceiling is the biggest issue in the history of ever or whether it doesn’t matter.

They have no other motivation. None.

28 BongCrodny  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:35:55am
‘Braveheart’ moment

All that’s missing is the war paint.

29 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:36:19am

Party of Fiscal Responsibility, y’all:


We’re fucked. And for no reason at all.

30 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:37:04am

re: #29 Lidane

Party of Fiscal Responsibility, y’all:

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We’re fucked. And for no reason at all.

A veterinarian who now thinks he knows more than economists.

We’re so fuckin’ screwed.

31 b.d.  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:37:22am

Did that guy watch a version of Braveheart with a different ending than I did?

32 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:37:57am

re: #29 Lidane

Party of Fiscal Responsibility, y’all:

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We’re fucked. And for no reason at all.

It’s punishment for putting a black man in the White House. Twice.

33 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:38:00am

re: #16 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Gingrey obviously forgets what happened at the end of Braveheart…

He comes back to life as a Terminator? /HISHE

34 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:38:15am

re: #31 b.d.

Did that guy watch a version of Braveheart with a different ending than I did?

Director’s Cut Alternative Ending where he conquers England and beheads the King!

35 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:38:39am

>”a ‘Braveheart’ moment”

Meaning what? Shouting “FREEDOM!!!!!!” as you’re voted out of office?

36 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:38:52am

I don’t think I’ve ever hated a political party this much in my entire life.

Dereliction of duty, anyone? That’s exactly what they’re doing with this bullshit, and they should be called on it. Who will have the guts to censure them for putting the future of this country in danger? I don’t think we could get the 2/3 necessary to actually expel anyone from the House, but we could make them think about it.

It’s all covered in Article 1, Section 5 of the US Constitution. Ironically, the most expulsions happened during the Civil War period. en.wikipedia.org

37 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:38:57am

These people are fucking insane

38 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:39:02am

re: #29 Lidane

Party of Fiscal Responsibility, y’all:

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We’re fucked. And for no reason at all.

I don’t know lunatic maybe you could listen to nearly all the economists, people who you know have studied more economics in a single semester than you have your whole life who pretty much all agree a default would be bad news. Stick to animals, Yoho, and out of the economy please. Though I fear for those animals if your approach with them is remotely like your approach in Congress.

39 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:40:15am

re: #22 Lidane

I burned through the savings I had to stay afloat during grad school. I’m trying to rebuild now. I’m completely fucked when we default.

No “ifs”, I think. The GOP are determined to burn this country down and rule the ashes.

Well, that’s the thing, they wouldn’t rule the ashes. When seniors social security isn’t deposited in their accounts as scheduled in November, the scream of outrage will be so great that it should take mere minutes for Congress to vote an increase in the debt limit. Boehner knows this, even if some of the more delusional members of his caucus don’t. That is why at some point he will waive the Hastert Rule and allow a handful of sane Republicans and the Democrats to pass a clean debt limit increase. He isn’t stupid, and I refuse to believe that he would really destroy the economy and his party until I actually see him do it.

40 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:40:19am
41 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:41:43am

If Michele Bachmann twerked, we would truly be in End Times.

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:41:50am

heh, Fox keeps building up its lineup of crazies…

43 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:43:12am

re: #32 CuriousLurker

It’s punishment for putting a black man in the White House. Twice.

Thank the 4 fundamental forces he’s not Muslim, female and black while presidenting.

44 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:44:59am
45 S'latch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:45:10am

‘Braveheart’ moment?

It looks more like a “Branch Davidian’ moment.

46 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:45:21am

*headdesk*


JUST END THE SHUTDOWN YOU ASSHOLES. THEN THIS WOULDN’T BE AN ISSUE.

Sorry. I couldn’t help going all caps there.

47 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:45:25am

re: #43 b_sharp

Thank the 4 fundamental forces he’s not Muslim, female and black while presidenting.

can you imagine if he was a black female Muslim lesbian? Wouldn’t even be able to get a post office named.

48 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:46:21am

re: #46 Lidane

*headdesk*

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JUST END THE SHUTDOWN YOU ASSHOLES. THEN THIS WOULDN’T BE AN ISSUE.

Sorry. I couldn’t help going all caps there.

Seriously enough of this place meal crap. End the shutdown. I’m glad these families will get their deserved benefits but end the fuckign shutdown.

49 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:46:36am

re: #46 Lidane

*headdesk*

JUST END THE SHUTDOWN YOU ASSHOLES. THEN THIS WOULDN’T BE AN ISSUE.

Sorry. I couldn’t help going all caps there.

CRUEL DEMOCRATZ VOTED AGAINST NOT DROWNING ONE POOR INNOCENT LITTLE KITTEH FROM BAG OF KITTEHS

50 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:47:51am

My daughter just texted

Feeling alot better thank hog
*god

LOL autocorrect

51 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:48:18am

Sahil over TPM voices something that we’ve been seeing all day today:

GOP Splinters Over Hostage Strategy As Default Looms

The GOP is splintering over its strategy to force conservative reforms by sustaining the government shutdown and threatening default.

Republican leaders don’t know what they want, other than for Democrats to accede to some sort of policy concessions in order to avert the crises. And they’re divided on which of the two must-pass bills is the better one to hold hostage.

Two op-eds this week by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) make no demands about unwinding Obamacare — the party’s central objective in the showdowns, which Senate Democrats have repeatedly quashed. And that has left Republicans lost on what they should ask for.

Ryan’s op-ed published Tuesday evening in the Wall Street Journal didn’t even mention Obamacare and instead suggested entitlement reforms to replace across-the-board spending cuts under the 2011 debt ceiling law. Cantor’s op-ed, also published late Tuesday, in the Washington Post is abstract attack on President Barack Obama that steers clear of any specific demands; it merely calls for budgetary negotiations as a prerequisite to averting the crises.

“Mr. President,” Cantor implores, “let’s sit down and talk. Let’s reach consensus and end the ‘my way or the highway’ attitude once and for all.”

They’ve hit the embankment. Polls show that voters don’t want the nation destroyed over the GOP’s inability to let go of the fight against the ACA, but there’s no other “concessions” that they could demand that the loons on the backbench would accept in place of the ACA’s head.

Clock’s ticking, Mr. Speaker. Do you think destroying the economy is going to save your ass from the TPers? Because it won’t.

52 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:49:49am

TOO LATE, THEY ALREADY HAVE YOUR SS NUMBER EVEN IF YOU NEVER SIGN UP.

53 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:50:25am

If anything, this would the the GOP’s Lord Raglan moment.

“Into the valley of Derp,
  Voted the 11 score and 12…”

54 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:50:47am

re: #50 Vicious Babushka

My daughter just texted

LOL autocorrect

Phone must be a fan of the Hog Father.

55 steve_davis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:51:44am

re: #10 Ian G.

The problem, of course, is that our portfolios become worthless too. So much for the money I’ve saved for my honeymoon….

I know it’s sick, but in some ways I’m looking forward to default. There is an enormous contingent of Republicans who believe that social darwinism is a winning ideology, and that if only government gets out of the way, they’ll be millionares. I’ll enjoy watching them have to line up for government soup, even if I’m in the line with them.

56 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:51:45am

re: #43 b_sharp

Thank the 4 fundamental forces he’s not Muslim, female and black while presidenting.

It would be sooooooo much fun if we had a black female Muslim president, preferably one that looks like she’s not gonna suffer any fools (unlike this one, who looks way too gentle)—can you imagine? LOL

57 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:53:02am

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

Translation: Obamacare is worse than Auschwitz, but fuck it, I’ll just sign up for it whenever I want.

Are these people all on LSD or something?

58 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:53:18am
59 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:53:32am

re: #57 Ian G.

Translation: Obamacare is worse than Auschwitz, but fuck it, I’ll just sign up for it whenever I want.

Are these people all on LSD or something?

They took the brown acid.

60 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:53:35am

re: #46 Lidane

*headdesk*

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JUST END THE SHUTDOWN YOU ASSHOLES. THEN THIS WOULDN’T BE AN ISSUE.

Sorry. I couldn’t help going all caps there.

Indeed. From this morning:

61 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:53:39am

re: #52 Vicious Babushka

So he says from Twitter, on the Internet, and who claims to have held a job at some point (in which case they already have your SSN, tax ID# and other identifying information). Unless you’re an undocumented illegal alien or working without papers and off the books, in which case you might slip by for a bit, but would have problems getting bank accounts opened, credit cards, a mortgage, or car loan.

62 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:53:39am

Republican Party Favorability Sinks to Record Low
Falls 10 percentage points from September’s 28%

gallup.com

WASHINGTON, D.C. — With the Republican-controlled House of Representatives engaged in a tense, government-shuttering budgetary standoff against a Democratic president and Senate, the Republican Party is now viewed favorably by 28% of Americans, down from 38% in September. This is the lowest favorable rating measured for either party since Gallup began asking this question in 1992.

Pretty soon, everyone will hate them, even themselves.

63 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:53:49am

re: #56 CuriousLurker

It would be sooooooo much fun if we had a black female Muslim president, preferably one that looks like she’s not gonna suffer any fools (unlike this one, who looks way too gentle)—can you imagine? LOL

Can she be a lesbian CL? and if she’s a Muslim. Perhaps a sulfi or whatever they’re called, I apologize for butchering the spelling.

64 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:54:35am

re: #62 Justanotherhuman

Republican Party Favorability Sinks to Record Low
Falls 10 percentage points from September’s 28%

gallup.com

WASHINGTON, D.C. — With the Republican-controlled House of Representatives engaged in a tense, government-shuttering budgetary standoff against a Democratic president and Senate, the Republican Party is now viewed favorably by 28% of Americans, down from 38% in September. This is the lowest favorable rating measured for either party since Gallup began asking this question in 1992.

Pretty soon, everyone will hate them, even themselves.

So you’re saying the solution is to become more right wing. Onward conservative soldiers.

65 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:54:38am
66 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:54:45am

Guess Brother Conlon had to take a different route out of Atlanta to get to his big trucker shutdown rally in DC:

I-85 SB lanes closed for sinkhole repairs through Wednesday

67 b.d.  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:54:53am

re: #52 Vicious Babushka

TOO LATE, THEY ALREADY HAVE YOUR SS NUMBER EVEN IF YOU NEVER SIGN UP.

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I’M NOT GIVING THE GOVERNMENT MY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!!1!

68 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:55:19am

re: #55 steve_davis

I know it’s sick, but in some ways I’m looking forward to default. There is an enormous contingent of Republicans who believe that social darwinism is a winning ideology, and that if only government gets out of the way, they’ll be millionares. I’ll enjoy watching them have to line up for government soup, even if I’m in the line with them.

schadenfreude with a side of “I’m fucked too” ?

69 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:55:26am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Can she be a lesbian CL? and if she’s a Muslim. Perhaps a sulfi or whatever they’re called, I apologize for butchering the spelling.

Hey, it’s America—she could be just about anything! (Oh, and it’s Sufi.)

70 erik_t  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:56:03am

re: #62 Justanotherhuman

Republican Party Favorability Sinks to Record Low
Falls 10 percentage points from September’s 28%

gallup.com

The Fabled Twenty-Seven Percent… plus one.

Good God.

71 b.d.  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:56:17am

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Director’s Cut Alternative Ending where he conquers England and beheads the King!

I think the GOP is confusing Braveheart with Breitbart.

72 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:57:20am

re: #55 steve_davis

I know it’s sick, but in some ways I’m looking forward to default. There is an enormous contingent of Republicans who believe that social darwinism is a winning ideology, and that if only government gets out of the way, they’ll be millionares. I’ll enjoy watching them have to line up for government soup, even if I’m in the line with them.

I think it likely that the fat cats of Wall Street etc. are going to end up going to DC with nail bats in hand. After all, they are the only ones who are allowed to screw up the economy for everyone else.

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:57:49am

re: #71 b.d.

I think the GOP is confusing Braveheart with Breitbart.

Spoiler: Breitbart dies too…

74 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:57:57am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

So you’re saying the solution is to become more right wing. Onward conservative soldiers.

Oh hell no! And I’m not so sure they’ll ever recover from this bullshit, either.

In their case, the squeaky wheel got the grease (and the publicity), but the TP is pretty much over. I think few of those asshats will probably remain in office when their terms are up.

75 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:58:06am

re: #69 CuriousLurker

Hey, it’s America—she could be just about anything! (Oh, and it’s Sufi.)

Thanks. Sufi. I’ll remember that. Oh and I hope her wife is Jewish to really piss off the end times fundies who think Muslims have to hate Jews and vice versa. Sorry, really want to play with Wingnut Nightmare President.

76 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:58:18am

re: #67 b.d.

I’M NOT GIVING THE GOVERNMENT MY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!!1!

NO WAY- even if my university used it as my student number for years…:)

77 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:58:38am

re: #52 Vicious Babushka

These are very stupid people.

What’s next? Bitching about the government having their hands on your Medicare?

78 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:58:41am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Thanks. Sufi. I’ll remember that. Oh and I hope her wife VP is Jewish to really piss off the end times fundies who think Muslims have to hate Jews and vice versa. Sorry, really want to play with Wingnut Nightmare President.

79 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:59:00am

re: #74 Justanotherhuman

Oh hell no! And I’m not so sure they’ll ever recover from this bullshit, either.

In their case, the squeaky wheel got the grease (and the publicity), but the TP is pretty much over. I think few of those asshats will probably remain in office when their terms are up.

Should have added the sarc tag. I’m mocking those who think their problem is that they’re not right wing enough. Here they are, they’ve shut down the government and done pretty much everything the TP has wanted and they’re about as popular as a kick in the nads.

80 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:59:16am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Can she be a lesbian CL? and if she’s a Muslim. Perhaps a sulfi or whatever they’re called, I apologize for butchering the spelling.

I think Pat Robertson is a Sulfi. Goes with the brimstone.

81 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:59:20am

re: #56 CuriousLurker

It would be sooooooo much fun if we had a black female Muslim president, preferably one that looks like she’s not gonna suffer any fools (unlike this one, who looks way too gentle)—can you imagine? LOL

I would be so laughing at the CPCs here and the GOP down there.

82 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:59:24am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Thanks. Sufi. I’ll remember that. Oh and I hope her wife is Jewish to really piss off the end times fundies who think Muslims have to hate Jews and vice versa. Sorry, really want to play with Wingnut Nightmare President.

Hahahahaha

83 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:59:32am

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

This works too, good call.

84 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:59:38am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Thanks. Sufi. I’ll remember that. Oh and I hope her wife is Jewish to really piss off the end times fundies who think Muslims have to hate Jews and vice versa. Sorry, really want to play with Wingnut Nightmare President.

Jewish AND protests to be able to pray at the Western Wall…hey in for a penny…why limit the sheer NUMBER off pissed off…:)

85 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:00:37pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Thanks. Sufi. I’ll remember that. Oh and I hope her wife is Jewish to really piss off the end times fundies who think Muslims have to hate Jews and vice versa. Sorry, really want to play with Wingnut Nightmare President.

I think an atheist president would cause significantly more heartburn for RWNJs (bless their black hearts) than a muslim president.

86 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:00:55pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

I think Pat Robertson is a Sulfi. Goes with the brimstone.

Maybe I’m thinking of the wrong Muslim sect but there was this one sect- I think CL or Dr. Lizardo have said that they’re pretty much the hippies of Islam. Robertson if he were Muslim though would be Supreme Leader of IRan though or maybe he’d be too extreme even for that given that Islamic Republic’s surprisingly liberal attitude on sex change operations.

87 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:01:21pm

lolwut
But GOP rating is 28%

88 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:01:30pm

Republicans are already jockeying to deny Janet Yellin the opportunity to become Fed chair, replacing Bernanke.

Senate Minority Whip Cornyn says he opposes her.

89 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:01:53pm

re: #85 EPR-radar

I think an atheist president would cause significantly more heartburn for RWNJs (bless their black hearts) than a muslim president.

I had a professor in undergrad who felt that “Deitist” was code for atheist…and she felt “in her heart” that Jefferson was in fact at the very least, an agnostic…hmmmmm

90 freetoken  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:02:04pm

American health care getting international coverage:

‘Missing’ British patient is found dead on stairs in US hospital

Mother-of-two Lynne Spalding had been admitted to the busy US health facility with an infection but vanished from her room on September 21.

The body was discovered yesterday on the rarely used stairwell by a worker.

‘It’s very concerning,’ a spokesman for San Francisco General Hospital said. ‘We’re distressed and don’t know what happened. It’s our top priority to find out.’

Ms Spalding – a tourism worker who lived in San Francisco after emigrating from Britain – was frail and thin and probably in a confused state after being given medication, friends said.

They had put up missing posters in the city with her photograph on it, following her disappearance.

Police, coroner and sheriff’s officials are investigating. David Perry, a spokesman for the 57-year-old’s family, said: ‘What is happening here today is very distressing.’

It took them over two weeks to find the body.

Think about that next time you need to go to the hospital.

91 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:02:18pm

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

Republicans are already jockeying to deny Janet Yellin the opportunity to become Fed chair, replacing Bernanke.

Senate Minority Whip Cornyn says he opposes her.

Cornyn would oppose Cornyn if Obama picked him. No sarcasm there.

92 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:02:31pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Maybe I’m thinking of the wrong Muslim sect but there was this one sect- I think CL or Dr. Lizardo have said that they’re pretty much the hippies of Islam. Robertson if he were Muslim though would be Supreme Leader of IRan though or maybe he’d be too extreme even for that given that Islamic Republic’s surprisingly liberal attitude on sex change operations.

Yeah, those would be the Sufis.

I’m pretty sure ww was playing off your misspelling of Sulfi, as in sulfur… ;)

93 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:02:33pm

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

This is dangerous. “A pox on both their houses” is a victory for the GOP, since it supports their nihilistic agenda.

94 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:02:34pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Maybe I’m thinking of the wrong Muslim sect but there was this one sect- I think CL or Dr. Lizardo have said that they’re pretty much the hippies of Islam. Robertson if he were Muslim though would be Supreme Leader of IRan though or maybe he’d be too extreme even for that given that Islamic Republic’s surprisingly liberal attitude on sex change operations.

That’s Sufi. Dr. Lizardo is one, IIRC.

95 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:03:12pm
96 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:03:30pm

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

lolwut
But GOP rating is 28%

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Hey Steve, check the history books about what happened to Clinton’s approval ratings after the shutdown ended.

97 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:03:41pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

Yeah, those would be the Sufis.

I’m pretty sure ww was playing off your misspelling of Sulfi, as in sulfur… ;)

Gotta whip out those sarc tags more often.

98 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:03:45pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

Yeah, those would be the Sufis.

I’m pretty sure ww was playing off your misspelling of Sulfi, as in sulfur… ;)

Ah, there’s a former blonde moment for you. Thanks. And help me out here for future reference but the House of Saud are a really fundamentalist sect within Sunni Islam and I believe I’ve seen the Al-Assad’s sect, Alawite likened to an Islamic version of LDS.

99 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:03:48pm

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

lolwut
But GOP rating is 28%

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Which poll is he quoting?

100 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:04:07pm

re: #94 wrenchwench

That’s Sufi. Dr. Lizardo is one, IIRC.

Thanks.

101 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:04:51pm

re: #89 DisturbedEma

I had a professor in undergrad who felt that “Deitist” was code for atheist…and she felt “in her heart” that Jefferson was in fact at the very least, an agnostic…hmmmmm

WTF is a Deitist?

A Deist?
A Deist Dentist?

102 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:05:24pm

re: #45 Lawrence Schmerel

‘Braveheart’ moment?

It looks more like a “Branch Davidian’ moment.

Complete with dead children, if they don’t get their shit together soon.

103 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:05:24pm

re: #90 freetoken

American health care getting international coverage:

‘Missing’ British patient is found dead on stairs in US hospital

It took them over two weeks to find the body.

Think about that next time you need to go to the hospital.

Bryan Fischer is already saying “This is typical of Obamacare!”

This was a person who decided to leave the hospital and ended up fainting in an abandoned stairwell. What were they supposed to do, handcuff her to the bed?

104 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:05:47pm

re: #90 freetoken

American health care getting international coverage:

‘Missing’ British patient is found dead on stairs in US hospital

It took them over two weeks to find the body.

Think about that next time you need to go to the hospital.

Good idea, never use the stairs. The damned things are dangerous.

105 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:06:34pm

re: #104 b_sharp

Good idea, never use the stairs. The damned things are dangerous.

“Never get off the boat.” - Chef

106 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:06:46pm

There’s a Derp competition going on between Bryan Fischer and Steve Stockman.

107 KiTA  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:06:48pm

re: #60 CuriousLurker

Indeed. From this morning:

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Anyone who doesn’t think the Tea Party would just refuse to allow say, the EPA to be funded — ever again — is living in a delusional state.

Hell, I still think that’s one of the major goals of this whole thing. Get piecemeal funding, refuse to fund social programs you don’t like, and then once you have the government looking “Galty” enough, say “Ok, this is our new budget, and if you don’t like it too bad, the people of szSouthernGerrymanderedDistrict elected me king of the world and you all have to listen to me forever, nya nya.”

108 BongCrodny  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:06:49pm

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

lolwut
But GOP rating is 28%

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I just read that Congress’ approval was FIVE PERCENT.

NPR - Poll: No Heroes In Shutdown, GOP Gets Most of Blame

Most Americans disapprove of the way Obama is handling his job, the poll suggests, with 53 percent unhappy with his performance and 37 percent approving of it. Congress is scraping rock bottom, with a ghastly approval rating of 5 percent

So, Steve — does that mean Obama’s still seven times more popular than you?

109 freetoken  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:06:51pm

re: #103 Vicious Babushka

DEATH PANELS STAIRWELLS!!!

110 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:07:56pm

Which Tweet has MOAR DERP? Vote!

111 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:08:36pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Maybe I’m thinking of the wrong Muslim sect but there was this one sect- I think CL or Dr. Lizardo have said that they’re pretty much the hippies of Islam. Robertson if he were Muslim though would be Supreme Leader of IRan though or maybe he’d be too extreme even for that given that Islamic Republic’s surprisingly liberal attitude on sex change operations.

The Sufis pretty much are the hippies of Islam; all that peace and love and religious tolerance and whatnot. That’s what the more fundamentalist strains of Islam hate with a burning passion.

112 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:09:13pm

re: #90 freetoken

American health care getting international coverage:

‘Missing’ British patient is found dead on stairs in US hospital

It took them over two weeks to find the body.

Think about that next time you need to go to the hospital.

Everyone who is admitted to the hospital needs an ombudsperson looking out for them. It’s so dangerous for those who don’t have an involved relative there every day.

113 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:09:31pm

re: #85 EPR-radar

I think an atheist president would cause significantly more heartburn for RWNJs (bless their black hearts) than a muslim president.

Don’t worry, we’ll appoint an atheist as Secretary of Education That should be good for some freakouts “ZOMG, the children!!11!”

We can also put one on the SCOTUS, and maybe even one in charge of whatever department keeps an eye on the faith-based stuff.

114 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:09:36pm

re: #111 Dr Lizardo

The Sufis pretty much are the hippies of Islam; all that peace and love and religious tolerance and whatnot. That’s what the more fundamentalist strains of Islam hate with a burning passion.

Sound like good peeps.

115 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:10:17pm

Tracking the problems and successful account registrations with the exchanges. The GOP strategy at work here too.

By refusing to set up their own registries, they were setting things up for failure.

The bulk of the problems with the exchanges are due to the federal exchange site crapping out. States that set up their own registries are having a better time of it.

And of particular note - there’s NM, which had the feds run the individual exchange but the state is running the business side. 428 businesses have applied for the exchanges. 428 multiplied by at least 50 employees each. That’s a potential floor of at least 21,400 who would get insurance who didn’t have it previously.

That’s the threat the GOP sees on the horizon. All of their fearmongering and venom dissipating as people get health insurance that looks like anyone else’s insurance because it’s provided by the same insurers who do insurance to folks now.

That flashing red light? That’s the GOP warning light that they’re ignoring as they’re about to crash into Bullshit Mountain.

116 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:11:21pm

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

Which Tweet has MOAR DERP? Vote!

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Fischer by a hair but it’s close and I could change my mind.

117 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:11:31pm

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

Which Tweet has MOAR DERP? Vote!

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Wolf Blitzer? I wouldn’t trust Wolf to tell me if it was raining outside or not.

118 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:11:42pm

re: #93 EPR-radar

This is dangerous. “A pox on both their houses” is a victory for the GOP, since it supports their nihilistic agenda.

Pox on both houses is MBF, but that’s not VB was indicating. The GOP is reveling in the President’s approval rating, all while ignoring that theirs is so much worse - and people are trusting the president more than the GOP.

119 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:11:56pm
120 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:12:11pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Fischer by a hair but it’s close and I could change my mind.

It is difficult for ordinary mortals to properly evaluate the levels of DERP on display here.

121 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:12:28pm

re: #117 Targetpractice

Wolf Blitzer? I wouldn’t trust Wolf to tell me if it was raining outside or not.

“Girl Raised By Wolf”—Onion classic.

122 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:13:35pm

Which has TEH MOAST DERP? Vote!

123 erik_t  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:13:53pm

re: #108 BongCrodny

NPR - Poll: No Heroes In Shutdown, GOP Gets Most of Blame

— Republicans are split on just how much cooperation they want. Among those who do not back the tea party, fully 48 percent say their party should be doing more with Obama to find a solution. But only 15 percent of tea-party Republicans want that outreach. The vast majority of them say GOP leaders are doing what they should with the president, or should do even less with him.

Honestly: how? Do these people even… think? Astrologize? Stick a magic-eight-ball up their bum and twerk for guidance? Anything at all?

124 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:14:23pm

re: #118 lawhawk

Pox on both houses is MBF, but that’s not VB was indicating. The GOP is reveling in the President’s approval rating, all while ignoring that theirs is so much worse - and people are trusting the president more than the GOP.

I understand that part of the story. The GOP is doing much worse than Obama and the Democrats.

However, the damage to Obama, the Democrats, and to the idea of democratic self-government itself is also real, and helps nihilists push their destructive agenda.

125 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:14:27pm
126 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:14:38pm

So, a woman who disappeared *before* Oct 1 is somehow the fault of Obamacare?

127 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:14:44pm

re: #120 EPR-radar

It is difficult for ordinary mortals to properly evaluate the levels of DERP on display here.

It is indeed but here’s why I went with Fish for brains here. He seems genuinely shocked that RUSSIA! has Christians even though RUSSIA! had Christians long before there was a United States of America. Stockman’s is more of this “The liberal media even agrees with us blah blah”. As I said, it’c close but I give the edge to the man who’s shocked that a nation that punished “anti-Christian blaspheme” and add that the Putin defending twist and you’ve got yourselves a derp tart.

128 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:15:21pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Sound like good peeps.

They’re generally pretty mellow.

129 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:15:24pm

re: #126 Feline Fearless Leader

So, a woman who disappeared *before* Oct 1 is somehow the fault of Obamacare?

Yes
and

Yes

130 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:15:31pm

re: #126 Feline Fearless Leader

So, a woman who disappeared *before* Oct 1 is somehow the fault of Obamacare?

More time travel from 122 year old Obama.

131 freetoken  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:15:32pm

This is getting some press:

Ephrata man convicted of beating wife with wooden paddle for refusing to call him “sir”

An Ephrata man was jailed Wednesday for beating his wife when she didn’t address him as “Sir” in front of their kids.

Dan Kirby Kopp, 49, routinely beat his wife with a wooden paddle or his hand as a way of disciplining her for not showing proper “respect,” according to investigators.

[…]

I’d bet almost anything that this guy is a fundamentalist and part of the submissive wives movement.

132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:15:53pm

President speaking now

133 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:16:21pm

re: #131 freetoken

This is getting some press:

Ephrata man convicted of beating wife with wooden paddle for refusing to call him “sir”

I’d bet almost anything that this guy is a fundamentalist and part of the submissive wives movement.

Or Goreans.

134 klys  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:16:26pm

re: #123 erik_t

Honestly: how? Do these people even… think? Astrologize? Stick a magic-eight-ball up their bum and twerk for guidance? Anything at all?

Thank you for the best laugh all day.

135 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:16:46pm

re: #131 freetoken

This is getting some press:

Ephrata man convicted of beating wife with wooden paddle for refusing to call him “sir”

I’d bet almost anything that this guy is a fundamentalist and part of the submissive wives movement.

Kopp also warned his wife that next time he would “cast demons out of her,” charging documents show.

Read more: lancasteronline.com

136 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:17:22pm

I thought this was a Steve Stockman Tweet.

137 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:17:23pm
138 freetoken  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:17:51pm

re: #135 Vicious Babushka

I assume you were going to post the “cast demons” out of her part?

Yeah, that’s the give-a-way.

139 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:17:57pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

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And so it begins.

140 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:18:10pm

Someone please beat him with a paddle.

141 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:18:24pm

re: #139 Dr Lizardo

And so it begins.

Needs more nail bat.

142 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:19:23pm

Anarchists.

143 freetoken  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:19:53pm

re: #142 Gus

Anarchists.

… with paddles

… and trucks.

144 klys  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:20:00pm

re: #142 Gus

Anarchists.

Careful, someone might think you’re referring to Occupy Wall Street.

145 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:20:29pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

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No biggie.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////there they are!

146 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:21:11pm

re: #144 klys

Careful, someone might think you’re referring to Occupy Wall Street.

=)

147 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:21:55pm

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

lolwut
But GOP rating is 28%

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The hell? Someone explain to Stockman how war (and this is basically a cold civil war) creates casualties on both sides. The US lost 1 aircraft carrier, over 100 aircraft, and over 300 lives at the Battle of Midway. That doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a massive, massive victory for us and a crippling defeat for Japan.

Obama’s approval rating in this analogy is the “Yorktown” sinking. The GOP’s approval rating is the 4 carriers the Japanese lost in that battle.

148 klys  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:21:59pm

So I have these elaborate plans for the day that involve cooking but I can’t figure out where the hell I put the cookbook with all the recipes.

149 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:22:06pm

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

Rep. Steve Stockman @SteveWorks4You

White House: “We are winning…It doesn’t really matter to us” how long #shutdown lasts. Obama approval plunges to 37%

HAHAHAHA… Obummer will never be re-elected!!!

150 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:23:24pm

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

Rand is “The Smart One.”

151 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:24:10pm

Woman reveals simple Wrinkle trick that has angered doctors

i showed her my wrinkle trick but she just slapped me

152 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:24:29pm

re: #150 jaunte

Rand is “The Smart One.”

That just means his lies have a better vocabulary and are more likely to be grammatically correct than the lies of the stupid ones.

153 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:25:08pm

re: #131 freetoken

This is getting some press:

Ephrata man convicted of beating wife with wooden paddle for refusing to call him “sir”

I’d bet almost anything that this guy is a fundamentalist and part of the submissive wives movement.

Yeah, I’d say so:

“Kopp also warned his wife that next time he would “cast demons out of her,” charging documents show.”

Read more: lancasteronline.com

154 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:25:20pm
155 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:25:44pm

they want to make the shutdown permanent - obamacare was just an excuse

156 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:26:11pm

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

lolwut
But GOP rating is 28%

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Same poll/article, Congress approval is 5%, not 28%. See npr.org

edited to add - oops, I see others have already noted this. Still, it is such a brilliant display of how Stockman lies through selective quoting.

157 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:28:12pm
158 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:28:39pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

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False equivalency somewhere!

Luv, Dudebros.

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159 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:29:26pm

re: #157 Lidane

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Women always have to do the cleanup after children, goddamn it.

160 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:29:28pm

re: #156 kirkspencer

Same poll/article, Congress approval is 5%, not 28%. See npr.org

Congress approval at 5% probably means that sane people despise the GOP House and insane people despise the Democratic Senate.

What we really need to see is for the GOP approval to go below 15%.

161 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:29:29pm

Beck: ‘Against Systems That Will Become Enemies Of All Humanity, I Stood

“I feel compelled to say this at this point for the record,” Beck said. “I want my children and my grandchildren to be able to air this episode. I stood. I gave it my all. I did everything I could. Against all odds, I stood. In the face of an avalanche; against, quite honestly, systems that will become enemies of all humanity, I stood. I want my children and my grandchildren to be able to have my name and say ‘when all of the rest of your families did nothing, this is what my family did’”:

“My Grandpa sold gold coins and shitty survivalist gear to the morons who tried to destroy America.”

162 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:31:24pm

Party Reveals One Weird Trick To Destroy U.S. Constitution And Take Over Government

you can help! make $1000/day at home posting falsehoods on the internet!

163 kerFuFFler  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:36:07pm

re: #87 Vicious Babushka
White House: “We are winning…It doesn’t really matter to us” how long the shutdown lasts.
It sure pisses me off how that inaccurate fake quote keeps getting bandied about! Stockman got the punctuation wrong.

The actual “quote” had different punctuation which indicated that sentences had been spliced together and an unquoted section added in the middle. More like, “We are winning…” It doesn’t really matter to us “how long the shutdown lasts.”

Who actually said “It doesn’t really matter”? Not the White House source. I believe that a reporter from the Wall Street Journal added that tidbit. (I’ll try to find where I saw that.)

Update: I found the actual quote (which I did misremember).
“We are winning … It doesn’t really matter to us” how long the shutdown lasts “because what matters is the end result.”

164 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:36:16pm

This is what happens when you elect a reality show Z-lister to Congress:

GOP Rep. Sean Duffy caught in own Obamacare spin

165 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:36:57pm

re: #161 Kragar

Beck: ‘Against Systems That Will Become Enemies Of All Humanity, I Stood

“My Grandpa sold gold coins and shitty survivalist gear to the morons who tried to destroy America.”

Your children and grandchildren will think “Dad/Grandpa actually grew more nutty after he quit booze and dope.”

166 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:38:41pm

I don’t know where this comes from, but I saw it on FB. This is a perfect summary of the GOP’s fuckery:

Oct 2008: “You’ll never get elected and pass healthcare.”
Nov 2008: “We’ll never let you pass healthcare.”
Jan 2009: “We’re gonna shout you down every time you try to pass healthcare.”
July 2009: “We’ll fight to death every attempt you make to pass healthcare.”
Dec 2009: “We will destroy you if you even consider passing healthcare.”
March 2010: “We can’t believe you just passed healthcare.”
April 2010: “We are going to overturn healthcare.”
Sept 2010: “We are going to repeal healthcare.”
Jan 2011: “We are going to destroy healthcare.”
Feb 2012: “We’re gonna elect a candidate who’ll revoke healthcare NOW.”
June 2012: “We’ll go to the Supreme Court, and they will overturn healthcare.”
Aug 2012: “American people’ll never re-elect you-they don’t want healthcare.”
Oct 2012: “We can’t wait to win the election and explode healthcare.”
Nov 2012: “We can’t believe you got re-elected & we can’t repeal healthcare.”
Feb 2013: “We’re still going to vote to obliterate healthcare.”
June 2013: “We can’t believe the Supreme Court just upheld healthcare.”
July 2013: “We’re going to vote like 35 more times to erase healthcare.”
Sept 2013: “We are going to leverage a government shutdown into defunding, destroying, obliterating, overturning, repealing, dismantling, erasing and ripping apart healthcare.”
Oct 2013: “WHY AREN’T YOU NEGOTIATING???”

167 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:38:45pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Ah, there’s a former blonde moment for you. Thanks. And help me out here for future reference but the House of Saud are a really fundamentalist sect within Sunni Islam and I believe I’ve seen the Al-Assad’s sect, Alawite likened to an Islamic version of LDS.

Sorry for the slow response, but I got interrupted.

It’s like this, more or less:

Sunnis = Protestants
Fiver/Sevener/Twelver* Shia = Catholics
Sufis = Mystics, they exist in every country where there are Muslims, and are pretty much loathed by the next two groups for being such kumbaya hippies…
Saudis/Wahhabis/Salafis = Fire & brimstone Southern Baptists & evangelicals
Islamists = Dominionists
Alawites = Branch of Twelver Shia. They’re kinda secretive about exactly what they believe, so I can’t tell you much else about them except to say that—unlike members of the other groups—I’ve never personally met one. I guess you could sort of compare them to Mormons, but I’d say Ahamadis are probably closer to being viewed by many mainstream Muslims in the same way that many mainstream Christians view Mormons (i.e. apostates, a cult, etc.)

————

*Depends on how many spiritual successors to Ali (Imams) they accept as legitimate. It’s confusing, so I’m not even gonna go into it farther than to say that the Twelvers are the largest group (mostly in Iran & surrounding areas, with a significant population in Lebanon also).

168 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:39:19pm

Ah, the joys of claiming that they’re supporting the National Parks, but then calling the same NPS workers - park rangers - the goon squad - is real touching.

What part of national parks/monuments closed do these people not get. This is the shutdown the Speaker wanted and got by refusing a clean deal in July that included $70b in cuts from what the Senate had been looking for. Instead of taking that deal, they went full metal wingnut and sought out a destructive and potentially catastrophic plan with no endgame. Shut down the government over Obamacare, and then set their sights on the debt ceiling.

With both in play, they’re looking to radically reshape the very nature of the balance of powers and the constitutional system of government by using devices that are meant to bring compromise (economic chaos and ruin by shutting down government and default) as a tool to slash spending and force the elimination of constitutionally enacted and judicially upheld laws. This cannot stand.

Passing piecemeal bills to fund bits and pieces of government is not governance. It’s passing the buck and hoping the President and Democrats take the blame for not playing their game.

169 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:40:31pm

re: #167 CuriousLurker

Sorry for the slow response, but I got interrupted.

It’s like this, more or less:

Sunnis = Protestants
Fiver/Sevener/Twelver* Shia = Catholics
Sufis = Mystics, they exist in every country where there are Muslims, and are pretty much loathed by the next two groups for being such kumbaya hippies…
Saudis/Wahhabis/Salafis = Fire & brimstone Southern Baptists & evangelicals
Islamists = Dominionists
Alawites = Branch of Twelver Shia. They’re kinda secretive about exactly what they believe, so I can’t tell you much else about them except to say that—unlike members of the other groups—I’ve never personally met one. I guess you could sort of compare them to Mormons, but I’d say Ahamadis are probably closer to being viewed by many mainstream Muslims in the same way that many mainstream Christians view Mormons (i.e. apostates, a cult, etc.)

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*Depends on how many spiritual successors to Ali (Imams) they accept as legitimate. It’s confusing, so I’m not even gonna go into it farther than to say that the Twelvers are the largest group (mostly in Iran & surrounding areas, with a significant population in Lebanon also).

No worries. Thanks.

170 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:40:39pm

re: #167 CuriousLurker

Good explanation and comparisons to various branches of Christianity. Quite accurate, I’d say.

171 kerFuFFler  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:40:40pm

re: #148 klys

So I have these elaborate plans for the day that involve cooking but I can’t figure out where the hell I put the cookbook with all the recipes.

You can probably find pretty good recipes online.

It is great to cook in the Fall when there is so much great produce and turning on the oven does not overheat the house. Enjoy!

172 klys  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:41:28pm

re: #171 kerFuFFler

You can probably find pretty good recipes online.

It is great to cook in the Fall when there is so much great produce and turning on the oven does not overheat the house. Enjoy!

I had bought the ingredients for specific recipes, so didn’t really want to play re-write the agenda.

Fortunately I found the cookbook.

173 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:42:08pm

re: #167 CuriousLurker

I would say the Alawites are Copts, except more secretive.

And yes, comparing the Ahmadis to the Mormons is relatively valid.

174 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:42:17pm

re: #168 lawhawk

Ah, the joys of claiming that they’re supporting the National Parks, but then calling the same NPS workers - park rangers - the goon squad - is real touching.

What part of national parks/monuments closed do these people not get. This is the shutdown the Speaker wanted and got by refusing a clean deal in July that included $70b in cuts from what the Senate had been looking for. Instead of taking that deal, they went full metal wingnut and sought out a destructive and potentially catastrophic plan with no endgame. Shut down the government over Obamacare, and then set their sights on the debt ceiling.

With both in play, they’re looking to radically reshape the very nature of the balance of powers and the constitutional system of government by using devices that are meant to bring compromise (economic chaos and ruin by shutting down government and default) as a tool to slash spending and force the elimination of constitutionally enacted and judicially upheld laws. This cannot stand.

Passing piecemeal bills to fund bits and pieces of government is not governance. It’s passing the buck and hoping the President and Democrats take the blame for not playing their game.

They want the shut down but they don’t want anything visually negative about the shut down. They know that the parks being shut down is their fault but they’d rather attack the President or perhaps even more cowardly the rangers who who had no say in policy matters. That one Representative said shame on you to that one lady ranger, shame on him and shame on his party for attacking people who are just doing their jobs. And there’s a special place in hell for the fuckers likening them to Nazis.

175 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:44:37pm

re: #166 Lidane

I don’t know where this comes from, but I saw it on FB. This is a perfect summary of the GOP’s fuckery:

I saw that. Quite good.

176 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:45:15pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

They want the shut down but they don’t want anything visually negative about the shut down. They know that the parks being shut down is their fault but they’d rather attack the President or perhaps even more cowardly the rangers who who had no say in policy matters. That one Representative said shame on you to that one lady ranger, shame on him and shame on his party for attacking people who are just doing their jobs. And there’s a special place in hell for the fuckers likening them to Nazis.

Remember that these are the same lackwits who were quick to address the impending furlough and/or firing of ATCs when the sequester began, because of fears that long waits at the airport would mean they might have to rub shoulders with the riff-raff. They boast about how 15% of the government is gone and “the world hasn’t ended,” but they’re quick to pass piecemeal spending bills to fund the most visible portions of that 15%.

177 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:45:27pm

re: #164 Lidane

This is what happens when you elect a reality show Z-lister to Congress:

GOP Rep. Sean Duffy caught in own Obamacare spin

We have our own Senator Duffy problems. news.nationalpost.com

178 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:48:29pm

re: #173 ProTARDISLiberal

I would say the Alawites are Copts, except more secretive.

And yes, comparing the Ahmadis to the Mormons is relatively valid.

I don’t know enough about Coptic Christians to agree or disagree on that.

179 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:48:41pm

Some in Congress have suggested it’s OK if America defaults. I find that stunning. The last major industrial nation to default was Argentina back in December 2001: its currency lost 75% of its value, inflation surged past 100%, unemployment topped 25%, and most families lost more than half of their net worth in a matter of days. Obviously, America is in a stronger position than Argentina — but why would we willingly even come close to this kind of economic catastrophe?
I never got to vote for Mark Warner to be my governor but I am glad I voted for him in 2008 and I will definitely for him again next fall. This is what statesmanship looks like.

180 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:48:52pm
181 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:49:43pm
182 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:50:24pm

re: #181 Gus

Government shuts down, benefits get delayed. You can’t explain that!

////

183 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:51:17pm

re: #182 Lidane

Government shuts down, benefits get delayed. You can’t explain that!

////

These people are so stupid I’m at a loss for words.

184 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:52:30pm

re: #181 Gus

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What you mean the government shut down has actual consequences? Yeah totally fire Hagel because the GOP shits in the House can’t handle ACA being law, Bill and when we’re at it, we can fire the you for spreading stupid. You guys wanted this shut down and you got it. Own it or otherwise STFU.

185 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:52:42pm
186 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:52:51pm

re: #183 Gus

These people are so stupid I’m at a loss for words.

“The Marching Morons” or “Day of the Locust” springs to mind.

187 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:53:39pm

re: #183 Gus

These people are so stupid I’m at a loss for words.

He’s not stupid. Well he’s at least not stupid in this way. He knwos that Hagel isn’t at fault but he and his bosses at FNC want to spread a meme that the veterans being denied their benefits has nothing to do with the shutdown which unfortunately enough of Fox’s viewers will buy.

188 nines09  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:53:57pm

I like to think the Tea Bags are just about out of time, but it’s far from over. I want to see the dead body and watch it lowered into the ground. Then I celebrate. How any sane person could agree with these incredibly ignorant creatures is beyond scary.

189 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:54:07pm

re: #185 jaunte

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I saw that a billionaire couple gave 10 mill to HeadStart.

190 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:54:20pm

re: #144 klys

Careful, someone might think you’re referring to Occupy Wall Street.

Thought it had to be said three times for him to show up towing the MBF with him?

191 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:55:14pm

re: #188 nines09

I like to think the Tea Bags are just about out of time, but it’s far from over. I want to see the dead body and watch it lowered into the ground. Then I celebrate. How any sane person could agree with these incredibly ignorant creatures is beyond scary.

Unfortunately, I don’t think it will ever fully die. The segregationist spirit that was fought in the 60’s never really left parts of the South sadly despite what John Roberts wants to believe well delude himself about my home region.

192 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:55:35pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

House GOP Abdicates Responsibility, Keeps Perks.

193 leftynyc  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:57:42pm

re: #62 Justanotherhuman

Republican Party Favorability Sinks to Record Low
Falls 10 percentage points from September’s 28%

gallup.com

WASHINGTON, D.C. — With the Republican-controlled House of Representatives engaged in a tense, government-shuttering budgetary standoff against a Democratic president and Senate, the Republican Party is now viewed favorably by 28% of Americans, down from 38% in September. This is the lowest favorable rating measured for either party since Gallup began asking this question in 1992.

Pretty soon, everyone will hate them, even themselves.

What I found most interesting is how much higher the number for Democrats in Congress is (low but not crazy low). I’ve been following politics for a few decades and have never seen an entire party go on a kamikaze mission like this one.

194 Jolo5309  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:57:45pm

re: #177 b_sharp

We have our own Senator Duffy problems. news.nationalpost.com

He should go to jail.

195 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:58:19pm

re: #164 Lidane

This is what happens when you elect a reality show Z-lister to Congress:

GOP Rep. Sean Duffy caught in own Obamacare spin

That GD rep of mine is as bad as GOHMERT! just not as well known. Little shit needs to be unemployed for awhile.

196 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:58:53pm

re: #195 William Barnett-Lewis

That GD rep of mine is as bad as GOHMERT! just not as well known. Little shit needs to be unemployed for awhile.

Can you guys return him to MTV? And to think that seat was once Obey’s.

197 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:58:57pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately, I don’t think it will ever fully die. The segregationist spirit that was fought in the 60’s never really left parts of the South sadly despite what John Roberts wants to believe well delude himself about my home region.

The Tea Party is the latest manifestation of what’s long been an ugly undercurrent in American society and culture. It flares up from time to time, and then - once that rage and fear is vented - it quiets down until the next time.

It is the frustrated, the lonely, the alienated, those who feel that life has left them behind and also those who cannot cope with the increasing complexities of the modern world and seek to return to what they perceive of as a “simpler time”.

198 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:59:03pm

White House: Boehner ‘Preventing’ Republicans From Meeting With Obama

President Barack Obama is disappointed with Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) for opting to send only a small group of House Republicans to a Thursday meeting after all of them were invited, the White House said.

“President Obama is disappointed that Speaker Boehner is preventing his members from coming to the White House,” White House spokesman Jay Carney said in a statement.

199 nines09  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 12:59:17pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately, I don’t think it will ever fully die. The segregationist spirit that was fought in the 60’s never really left parts of the South sadly despite what John Roberts wants to believe well delude himself about my home region.

I’ll be happy that they go back to the fringes and be ignored. There will always be crazy and insane and racist, ignorant and bigoted. You just hope demand they don’t sit in office and make laws.

200 piratedan  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:00:29pm

re: #192 jaunte

sounds like a great tweet if u just put GOP in front

201 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:01:11pm

re: #198 Kragar

White House: Boehner ‘Preventing’ Republicans From Meeting With Obama

That’s alright, the rumor mill is running wild right now. According to Costa, the leadership is looking at trying to push a six-week debt limit extension, but only if the White House agrees to spend that six weeks working out a debt deal. And CNN is saying that even then, the House will likely have to move such a bill relying partially or totally on Dem votes.

202 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:01:13pm

re: #197 Dr Lizardo

The Tea Party is the latest manifestation of what’s long been an ugly undercurrent in American society and culture. It flares up from time to time, and then - once that rage and fear is vented - it quiets down until the next time.

It is the frustrated, the lonely, the alienated, those who feel that life has left them behind and also those who cannot cope with the increasing complexities of the modern world and seek to return to what they perceive of as a “simpler time”.

It is also a bunch of Americans whose vision of America is an America that never was. Their America that they get nostalgic America was an America where rampant homophobia, sexism, and racism was still a problem. Not that it’s gone today but we’ve gotten better. But even on the economic front, the U.S in the 1950’s and even 1970’s was much more closer to being a welfare state than we are today. ACA would have been to the right of what Nixon proposed in the 70’s.

203 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:01:42pm

re: #200 piratedan

sounds like a great tweet if u just put GOP in front

Now edited…

204 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:01:49pm

re: #178 CuriousLurker

From what I hear, the Alawites tend to have some beliefs that do not fit with Mainstream Islam as viewed today. There have been reports of Alawites celebrating Palm Sunday and the Nativity.

To me, they seem to be religious isolate from a way-bygone era, much in the same way the Copts are Miaphysites compared to the Chalcedonian Christians who make up the majority of Christians today.

Both are fascinating. Living museums in fact.

205 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:03:23pm

Any deal the GOP promises isn’t worth the paper its written on.

Part of a negotiation is the understanding the other side will live up to their side of the deal.

No one who has been paying attention thinks for one minute the GOP is capable or willing to do that.

206 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:04:04pm

re: #185 jaunte

Related

Houston couple pledges $10 million for Head Start

Houston billionaire philanthropists Laura and John Arnold have decided that letting Head Start falter during the federal shutdown would be a national tragedy.

The couple - as individuals, independent of their Houston-based foundation - have pledged $10 million to keep the doors open for early childhood education providers across the country, the National Head Start Association announced Monday.

207 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:04:09pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

It is also a bunch of Americans whose vision of America is an America that never was. Their America that they get nostalgic America was an America where rampant homophobia, sexism, and racism was still a problem. Not that it’s gone today but we’ve gotten better. But even on the economic front, the U.S in the 1950’s and even 1970’s was much more closer to being a welfare state than we are today. ACA would have been to the right of what Nixon proposed in the 70’s.

All very true. At the core of it, the Tea Party folks are deeply afraid; they have great anxiety about their place in a rapidly changing society and world. They fear that they will be life’s losers, that others will do well and succeed and where they have failed; there’s also envy and resentment of others present as well.

208 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:09:07pm

Yippee! Eye doctor tomorrow. Left eye isn’t cooperating.

209 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:11:30pm

Oh god, my fb friend with the brain damage shared this.

Just so much transparent horse shit.

They were a diverse group of several races and both sexes. I heard a young man exclaim, “Isn’t Obama like Jesus Christ? I mean, after all, he is healing the sick.”

Listen conservatives, if you’re going to invent fictional liberals for your pretend “real” encounters, try to make them sound just a little bit plausible. Nobody talks like this. Not anywhere, not ever.

210 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:11:46pm

re: #207 Dr Lizardo

All very true. At the core of it, the Tea Party folks are deeply afraid; they have great anxiety about their place in a rapidly changing society and world. They fear that they will be life’s losers, that others will do well and succeed and where they have failed; there’s also envy and resentment of others present as well.

Too late, they already are already lost, grabbing by their fingertips to the edge of a crumbling cliff.

One particular thing I’ve been pointing out to the TP peeps here (mostly retired) is that they need to be prepared for their property taxes to skyrocket as the local property tax base is going to have to plug the holes in supporting local services.
Funny thing is, most of them already don’t pay federal or state income taxes. They never think about what will happen when the federal and state money dries up.

211 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:12:31pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

Oh god, my fb friend with the brain damage shared this.

Just so much transparent horse shit.

Listen conservatives, if you’re going to invent fictional liberals for your pretend “real” encounters, try to make them sound just a little bit plausible. Nobody talks like this. Not anywhere, not ever.

At the very least he could have given him a hippie beard.

212 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:14:24pm
213 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:15:18pm

‘Nother day in Murica. Baseball, hot dogs, mixin’ fixin’s, chewing tobacco and firearms.

214 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:16:51pm

re: #205 Kragar

Any deal the GOP promises isn’t worth the paper its written on.

Part of a negotiation is the understanding the other side will live up to their side of the deal.

No one who has been paying attention thinks for one minute the GOP is capable or willing to do that.

Hell, considering the GOP is the ones who want to go into talks with demands already on the table, I’d say the first thing we’d understand in any talks is that the table is empty. If the GOP comes in with the insistence that certain items are “non-negotiable,” then there’s no talks. Likewise if they say any new revenues are right out, then they can go fuck themselves. Lastly, all the details will be hashed out at the table, no passing off portions to committees yet to be named or pushed off on a GOP-dominated House committee to hash out at a later time. If the GOP can’t agree to numbers and names at the table, then they’re just stalling for time.

215 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:17:38pm
216 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:18:40pm

re: #215 Gus

217 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:19:05pm

re: #215 Gus

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Yeah delay something that is already up and running. Great advice, Wolf. Thanks for reminding me why Andy Richter (no offense Andy I like you) made you look like a chump on celebrity jeopardy.

218 piratedan  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:19:07pm

re: #215 Gus

you know what Wolfie? Go Fuck yourself!

219 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:19:52pm

re: #215 Gus

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Because we know that, if delayed for a year, the Republicans would sign off on it come next October and agree that it’s ready for prime time.

Wolf, if you were any more dense, you’d collapse into a singularity.

220 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:20:10pm

re: #212 Gus

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And the insurrection went THUD.

221 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:21:12pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

Too late, they already are already lost, grabbing by their fingertips to the edge of a crumbling cliff.

One particular thing I’ve been pointing out to the TP peeps here (mostly retired) is that they need to be prepared for their property taxes to skyrocket as the local property tax base is going to have to plug the holes in supporting local services.
Funny thing is, most of them already don’t pay federal or state income taxes. They never think about what will happen when the federal and state money dries up.

Oh, that’s certainly the case.

222 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:21:18pm

re: #219 Targetpractice

Because we know that, if delayed for a year, the Republicans would sign off on it come next October and agree that it’s ready for prime time.

Wolf, if you were any more dense, you’d collapse into a singularity.

Exactly. Right, wait until the very tail end of an election year.

223 blueraven  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:21:28pm

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

lolwut
But GOP rating is 28%

One poll. In fact, on average, his numbers have gone up a bit lately. In some polls, significantly.

realclearpolitics.com

224 leftynyc  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:22:05pm

re: #181 Gus

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I expect Jon Stewart will have something to say about that. Just guessin.

225 ObserverArt  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:23:49pm

So now there are reports Ryan wants Obamacare delayed or cut and tied into the budget that is already slashed and the Dems would agree to if Obamacare was left intact.

Yeah that sentence is a bit twisted. It fits the politics.

226 piratedan  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:23:49pm

seems to me that if the Tea Party Caucus was really serious, they would offer to resign from Government in order to delay Obamacare and pledge to never run for office again… wonder if they would do that….Seems only fair that if they’re asking the President to tank his singular legislative achievement then there should be an equivalent sacrifice on their part.

227 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:27:28pm

re: #204 ProTARDISLiberal

From what I hear, the Alawites tend to have some beliefs that do not fit with Mainstream Islam as viewed today. There have been reports of Alawites celebrating Palm Sunday and the Nativity.

To me, they seem to be religious isolate from a way-bygone era, much in the same way the Copts are Miaphysites compared to the Chalcedonian Christians who make up the majority of Christians today.

Both are fascinating. Living museums in fact.

Interesting, though I’m hesitant to buy into anything about a minority goup that starts with, “From what I hear….” It’s too close to the blood libel stuff.

I mean, from what many Americans hear, in our heart of hearts we Muslims all hate Jews & Christians and are plotting to kill them even when we appear to be friendly, and we can hardly wait to force them to convert or make them dhimmis and replace the Constitution with Sharia.

228 Ian G.  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:29:15pm

re: #219 Targetpractice

Wolf, if you were any more dense, you’d collapse into a singularity.

I’d double rec this line if I could.

229 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:29:42pm

We should have delayed the Iraq invasion by a year.

//

230 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:31:29pm

Update on that Fed bldg shooting in WV.

theintelligencer.net

WHEELING - A man who opened fire on the Wheeling Federal Building this afternoon also may have targeted the nearby YWCA, an eyewitness to the shooting said.

“Wheeling resident Carla Webb Daniels said she witnessed the shooter, who police have not yet identified, fire from the Chase Bank parking lot across Chapline Street from the Federal Building. Daniels said she was in her attorney’s office when she heard loud gun shots. When she looked out she saw a white male standing between a silver or gold SUV and a white vehicle in the parking lot pull out a gun and start shooting at the federal building. She then saw the shooter put down the assault rifle and reload before shooting at the YWCA building.”

231 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:35:28pm

re: #194 Jolo5309

He should go to jail.

Yup.

232 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 1:46:00pm

re: #163 kerFuFFler

Update: I found the actual quote (which I did misremember).
“We are winning … It doesn’t really matter to us” how long the shutdown lasts “because what matters is the end result.”

Yeah but who said the “actual quote”? The WSJ attributes an anonymous “White House Official” but they could have just made it up.

233 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 2:17:05pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Some in Congress have suggested it’s OK if America defaults. I find that stunning. The last major industrial nation to default was Argentina back in December 2001: its currency lost 75% of its value, inflation surged past 100%, unemployment topped 25%, and most families lost more than half of their net worth in a matter of days. Obviously, America is in a stronger position than Argentina — but why would we willingly even come close to this kind of economic catastrophe?
I never got to vote for Mark Warner to be my governor but I am glad I voted for him in 2008 and I will definitely for him again next fall. This is what statesmanship looks like.

234 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 2:22:27pm

re: #166 Lidane

I don’t know where this comes from, but I saw it on FB. This is a perfect summary of the GOP’s fuckery:

also, all spring and summer 2013 - “what do you mean the senate wants to ‘negotiate’? we don’t need no stinkin negotiations!!”

235 francis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 3:00:42pm

re: #7 Lidane

The people have to start thinking about fiscal responsibility and I believe that is what is happening. It doesn’t matter what party you belong to, the bottom line is the country is accumulating too much debt and this is because the politicians didn’t deal with the issues when they were warned long ago.

Arguing and blaming isn’t going to solve the problem. No one runs their home like the government runs the country. There has to be a concerted effort by everyone to solve the spending problem. If we all contribute to the effort, maybe we will get the results we need.

We saw our wealth disappear in 2008 and we saw it recover and we don’t use our votes to stop the people that continue to do this to us. To think that the extreme nuts on the right and left have control over our destiny is crazy. Politicians will do what ever the people allow them to do. We are too aligned with parties and not aligned with a clear path to a balanced government that does right for all.

236 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 3:19:05pm

re: #235 francis

We saw our wealth disappear in 2008 and we saw it recover and we don’t use our votes to stop the people that continue to do this to us. To think that the extreme nuts on the right and left have control over our destiny is crazy. Politicians will do what ever the people allow them to do. We are too aligned with parties and not aligned with a clear path to a balanced government that does right for all.

The problem I have with your thinking is that you think Obama is one of the ones on the extreme left. He’s pretty middle of the road, really. He’s reduced the deficit lately, and could have done more if it weren’t for the Bush tax cuts.

(The blue font indicates a link, which I have posted to back up an assertion I made.)

237 francis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:21:17pm

re: #236 wrenchwench

wrench, having a business and paying taxes is a challenge. I employed enough people so I wouldn’t have to pay massive taxes. I would rather give the money to the employees. For every dollar an employee made it cost me 12 cents in taxes and additional 10 cents just for compensation insurance, that did not include health insurance.

The concept of lower taxes does work for small business. The problem with big business is they are beholden to stock holders and they reap the reward of lower taxes and the stock prices go up so everyone wins. The government grabs the money back when you cash in your stocks.

We are spending too much money for the tax we take in. Add all the taxes you pay and you will see that the money you earn from January to May goes to taxes.

238 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:23:59pm

re: #237 francis

wrench, having a business and paying taxes is a challenge. I employed enough people so I wouldn’t have to pay massive taxes. I would rather give the money to the employees. For every dollar an employee made it cost me 12 cents in taxes and additional 10 cents just for compensation insurance, that did not include health insurance.

The concept of lower taxes does work for small business. The problem with big business is they are beholden to stock holders and they reap the reward of lower taxes and the stock prices go up so everyone wins. The government grabs the money back when you cash in your stocks.

Yeah, I have a business and I pay taxes. I have had employees.

I don’t know what this has to do with your opinion of Obama, which is what the comment you replied to was about.

239 klys  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:27:50pm

re: #237 francis

wrench, having a business and paying taxes is a challenge. I employed enough people so I wouldn’t have to pay massive taxes. I would rather give the money to the employees. For every dollar an employee made it cost me 12 cents in taxes and additional 10 cents just for compensation insurance, that did not include health insurance.

The concept of lower taxes does work for small business. The problem with big business is they are beholden to stock holders and they reap the reward of lower taxes and the stock prices go up so everyone wins. The government grabs the money back when you cash in your stocks.

We are spending too much money for the tax we take in. Add all the taxes you pay and you will see that the money you earn from January to May goes to taxes.

Glad to see you upholding your normal standards of coherence.

Which is to say, none.


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