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1 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:37:46pm

Yep, Ted made Rolling Stone’s list:

Ted Yoho
State: Florida
Elected: 2012
Core Beliefs: Compares Republicans fighting to defund Obama­care to “Rosa Parks, Lech Walesa [and] Martin Luther King.” Claims tanning-salon tax is bigoted against white people: “It’s a racist tax.” Says Bill of Rights ensures civilian access to military weaponry: “When you read the Second Amendment. . . the militia had the same equipment as the military to protect them against the tyrannical government.”

2 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:41:10pm

Ted Yoho, yet another posterchild for the stupidity that has pervaded our politics in the wake of the “Tea Party Revolution.”

3 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:42:11pm

Don’t try this at home.

4 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:42:17pm

Ted Yoho is giving GOHMERT! a run for his money as the biggest dumbass in Congress.

I actually hope these two clowns run for President in 2016; non-stop laugh riot.

5 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:46:27pm

OT, but heartening.

6 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:49:21pm

Yoho, Yoho, a pirate’s life for me.
We pillage, we plunder, we rifle, and loot,
Drink up me hearties, Yoho.
We kidnap and ravage and don’t give a hoot,
Drink up me hearties, Yoho.

Yoho, Yoho, a pirate’s life for me.
We extort, we pilfer, we filch, and sack,
Drink up me hearties, Yoho.
Maraud and embezzle, and even high-jack,
Drink up me hearties, Yoho.

Yoho, Yoho, a pirate’s life for me.
We kindle and char, inflame and ignite,
Drink up me hearties, Yoho.
We burn up the city, we’re really a fright,

Drink up me hearties, Yoho.
We’re rascals, scoundrels, villains, and knaves,
Drink up me hearties, Yoho.
We’re devils and black sheep, really bad eggs,
Drink up me hearties, Yoho.

Yoho, Yoho, a pirate’s life for me.
We’re beggars and blighters, ne’er-do-well cads,
Drink up me hearties, Yoho.
Aye, but we’re loved by our mommies and dads,
Drink up me hearties, Yoho.

7 freetoken  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:50:30pm

re: #5 Stanley Sea

MEDIA TYRANT!!!

8 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:50:49pm

bbl

9 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 5:54:32pm
10 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:01:28pm
11 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:04:13pm

Anyone know a good “dummies” guide for the 7 Years’ War?

12 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:05:06pm

Wow. Just…wow.

13 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:05:55pm

re: #12 Lidane

Wow. Just…wow.

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try to mend THAT shirt afterwards!

14 teleskiguy  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:06:45pm

From the annals of RWNJ dick tweets:

15 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:09:25pm

re: #12 Lidane

Wonder the crime.

Humans are just so base. Yay a really gross execution!

16 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:09:46pm
17 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:13:43pm

Oh wait, I have to share. oooooooooooh!

18 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:14:48pm

re: #12 Lidane

Wow. Just…wow.

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Attempt at deterrence? or just an excuse for psychopathy?

19 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:15:06pm

really bbl.

20 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:16:07pm

re: #17 FemNaziBitch

Oh wait, I have to share. oooooooooooh!

naughty shoes, naughty

21 freetoken  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:16:12pm

When the top educator fails, where goest the students?

Campaign Video Insulting To Springboro School Dist.

Springboro Schools Superintendent Todd Petrey is fuming over a YouTube.com video that he believes makes several inaccurate assertations about the district’s school board members.

[…]

“On October 4, a video was posted on YouTube that makes our school district a divisive campaign point in an election more than 140 miles away from here. This video recently came to my attention, and I know that many of you have seen it through social media. Like our school district, the Olentangy Local School District (in Delaware County, north of Columbus) will elect members to its board of education in November. Unfortunately, our schools are being insulted and disparaged in that campaign, and now this video is being widely shared online here in our community.

[…] Let’s set the record straight.

[…]

“VIDEO STATEMENT: “creationism replaces science.”


FACT: The discussion on two different district policies-one on controversial issues and one on patriotic observances-has been confused for some time. Our curriculum is impacted by federal law and state law requiring us to dedicate instruction to our nation’s founding documents, which we already do. As for creationism, it was one theory in a long list to be permissible for classroom discussion as we encourage our students to be critical, independent thinkers and learners. Again, the outstanding teaching in our classrooms is unchanged as we exhibit tolerance for diverse points of view and teach our students to do the same. No changes have been made to our curriculum.

[…]

Yes, that’s right, the top guy is defending creationism as “one theory”, and taking umbrage that someone noticed and is making fun of it.

22 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:16:33pm

re: #12 Lidane

I don’t know if they learned it from the British, or vice-versa.
executedtoday.com

23 BongCrodny  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:17:56pm

re: #4 Dr Lizardo

Ted Yoho is giving GOHMERT! a run for his money as the biggest dumbass in Congress.

I actually hope these two clowns run for President in 2016; non-stop laugh riot.

Maybe if Ted Cruz, Louie Gohmert and Rick Perry all run the country will see all of Texas Republicans’ best and brightest and finally have that “We need an enema” moment it so desperately needs.

One idiot is an anomaly, two idiots are a trend…and three idiots are “Holy shit, these fucking guys are everywhere!”

24 Mike Lamb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:19:14pm

I’ve said it before: if these guys really think the debt ceiling isn’t an issue, then why/how is it leverage?

25 Mike Lamb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:19:50pm

re: #16 Lidane

Yes. Sabotage every aspect of the program then have the balls to complain that it’s not working really well.

26 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:20:02pm

re: #24 Mike Lamb

They’re lying about the first part.

27 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:22:14pm

re: #23 BongCrodny

Maybe if Ted Cruz, Louie Gohmert and Rick Perry all run the country will see all of Texas Republicans’ best and brightest and finally have that “We need an enema” moment it so desperately needs.

One idiot is an anomaly, two idiots are a trend…and three idiots are “Holy shit, these fucking guys are everywhere!”

Yep. Stupidity on parade.

God/Cthulhu/Crom/Flying Spaghetti Monster help us.

28 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:22:17pm

I really have to get off the computer and do laundry!

29 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:22:50pm

And with that, sweet scaly dreams, Lizards.

30 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:23:56pm

re: #23 BongCrodny

31 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:24:12pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

From the annals of RWNJ dick tweets:

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But remember “OBAMA CLOSED THE PARKS!”

32 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:25:01pm

re: #31 Kragar

But remember “OBAMA CLOSED THE PARKS OCEAN!”

FTFY

33 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:28:51pm

Later, lizards.

34 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:30:43pm

My mother in law is reading those emails complaining that Obama’s old girlfriends don’t exist and he never acknowledges his white mother. She tells me she’s going to write him a letter and ask him why he won’t acknowledge her.

35 klys  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:32:42pm

re: #34 SteveMcGazi

My mother in law is reading those emails complaining that Obama’s old girlfriends don’t exist and he never acknowledges his white mother. She tells me she’s going to write him a letter and ask him why he won’t acknowledge her.

She can ask francis for some letter writing tips.

36 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:36:47pm

“Murder By Death” starting on TCM. They’re doing genre spoofs tonight.

37 thedopefishlives  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:37:01pm

Evening Lizardim.

38 GOPHostage#25698724  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:37:35pm

Been pondering the Obama approval rating. Question for the Dems here. Might a lot of that decline be Dems pissed at him for being too soft on the GOP Congress?

39 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:38:13pm

re: #38 GOPHostage#25698724

Been pondering Obama approval rating. Question for the Dems here. Might a lot of that decline be Dems pissed at him for being too soft on the GOP Congress?

A distinct possibility.

40 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:40:13pm

“This is Spinal Tap” comes on at 1 am Eastern

41 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:48:44pm

re: #40 SteveMcGazi

“This is Spinal Tap” comes on at 1 am Eastern

Just about the time I get home from work

And at 1:01 my head will hit the pillow

And at 1:02 I’ll be fast asleep!!!

42 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:49:08pm

re: #38 GOPHostage#25698724

Been pondering Obama approval rating. Question for the Dems here. Might a lot of that decline be Dems pissed at him for being too soft on the GOP Congress?

It’s entirely possible. Also, some Dems might be pissed because he settled for the ACA instead of pushing for single payer.

43 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:49:19pm

re: #38 GOPHostage#25698724

Been pondering Obama approval rating. Question for the Dems here. Might a lot of that decline be Dems pissed at him for being too soft on the GOP Congress?

considering that the ‘disapprove of obamcare’ numbers usually turn out to have about 10-13% of americans disapproving because it “doesn’t go far enough” & i know my firebagger buddies who are in that category ain’t givin him enny thumbs up

so here’s my metric:

subtract 27% for the Moron Percentage, and 12% for Firebaggers, and you get this:

approve 44% (latest gallup daily tracking)
disapprove 51%

disapprove because obama is an atheist muslim communist nazi black panther 27%
disapprove because obama is a tool of wall st 12%
disapprove for some other reason 12%

44 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:52:08pm

re: #24 Mike Lamb

I’ve said it before: if these guys really think the debt ceiling isn’t an issue, then why/how is it leverage?

That’s the #1 question that nobody in the press is asking right now. The #2 question is to those like Boehner who admit that a default would be catastrophic, namely “Why, if this would be so terrible, are you saying you’ll allow it to happen unless you get the White House to agree to your demands?”

The answer, which the GOP doesn’t want to give because it would pretty much kill off the last of their support, is “Because we have no leverage otherwise.” They keep saying they want talks, but only if they can keep the “destroy economy” card as a trump card to refusal of their demands.

45 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 6:55:48pm

RE: The fangirls who are oohing and ahhing over Benedict Cumberbatch in The Fifth Estate:

46 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:03:43pm
47 GOPHostage#25698724  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:04:12pm

re: #43 dog philosopher

Makes sense to me I just can’t imagine anyone from middle to right changing their approval of him now. That either already happened or will not at all. Not over this.

48 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:07:47pm


49 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:09:01pm
50 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:10:13pm

re: #17 FemNaziBitch

Oh wait, I have to share. oooooooooooh!

Wow

51 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:12:58pm

re: #48 jaunte

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Pathetic

52 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:17:06pm

Fleischer…Fleischer…sorry, not ringing any bells. Is he supposed to be somebody important?

53 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:20:06pm

re: #52 Targetpractice

Fleischer…Fleischer…sorry, not ringing any bells. Is he supposed to be somebody important?

Baghdad Bob with a GOP accent ;)

54 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:22:03pm

What kinda shit is this, Yahoo?! I open your front page and the top “news” story is Coulter’s last screed.

55 AntonSirius  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:23:23pm

re: #24 Mike Lamb

I’ve said it before: if these guys really think the debt ceiling isn’t an issue, then why/how is it leverage?

If they think they’re doing such a great thing for America, why do they try and shift blame to the Dems?

56 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:23:42pm

See the latest greatest Ari Fleisher tweet yet?

57 AntonSirius  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:24:17pm

re: #48 jaunte

58 AntonSirius  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:26:05pm

re: #45 Lidane

RE: The fangirls who are oohing and ahhing over Benedict Cumberbatch in The Fifth Estate:

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Cumberbatch is genuinely amazing in the movie.

Liking the performance doesn’t equal endorsement of the subject.

59 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:28:20pm

re: #38 GOPHostage#25698724

Been pondering the Obama approval rating. Question for the Dems here. Might a lot of that decline be Dems pissed at him for being too soft on the GOP Congress?

Will be if he gives them more than a fig leaf.

60 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:28:29pm

re: #38 GOPHostage#25698724

Been pondering Obama approval rating. Question for the Dems here. Might a lot of that decline be Dems pissed at him for being too soft on the GOP Congress?

Maybe. We are pissed he doesn’t bring out the unpresidential smack down. Ideally using verbatim the great posts (I’ll give Lidane the 1st choice, targetpractice 2nd)

Reality? The poll is skewed.

61 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:31:37pm

re: #48 jaunte

If John Boehner changed his 1st name from “Speaker” to “Mullah”, Pres O wld b eager 2negotiate w him. I’ll be on @FoxNews @seanhannity 2nite

It’s hard out there for retired pimps.

62 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:33:11pm

re: #58 AntonSirius

Cumberbatch is genuinely amazing in the movie.

Liking the performance doesn’t equal endorsement of the subject.

ding ding ding

Julie is awesome too.

63 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:33:17pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

Maybe. We are pissed he doesn’t bring out the unpresidential smack down. Ideally using verbatim the great posts (I’ll give Lidane the 1st choice, targetpractice 2nd)

Reality? The poll is skewed.

I actually have to say that I’ve been surprised and impressed at the man’s performance throughout this whole mess. Early on, when there was loose talk about a “Grand Bargain,” I actually began to feel a bit depressed because I figured he’d go after that mythical creature yet again and give the GOP an escape route. But he hasn’t, he’s made it clear he’s only going to enter talks after the GOP has taken the gun from the hostages’ heads, and that has left me assured that even if we go into default, he has done everything possible to keep the GOP from scoring any sort of “victory” over him.

64 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:33:18pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

Maybe. We are pissed he doesn’t bring out the unpresidential smack down. Ideally using verbatim the great posts (I’ll give Lidane the 1st choice, targetpractice 2nd)

Reality? The poll is skewed.

The poll is probably about right, the number of people who actually understand the issue in any kind of depth. The fact that the Republican’s numbers are so much worse is encouraging, and Obama’s “trust” numbers are still relatively high in comparison.

A lot of people are just frustrated, and will take that frustration out on everyone. That they’d do the exact same thing Obama’s doing were they in his position doesn’t even enter into their mental calculus.

65 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:34:14pm

re: #38 GOPHostage#25698724

Been pondering Obama approval rating. Question for the Dems here. Might a lot of that decline be Dems pissed at him for being too soft on the GOP Congress?

One word - FOX.

66 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:34:16pm

GREAT South Park
Cartman & George Zimmerman stop the zombie apocalypse!

67 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:35:12pm

Just got a call from my middle daughter. She and her husband are both
army vets, and making their mortgage payment depends a lot on a couple of government checks that aren’t coming while the shutdown is in effect. They’re worried.

68 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:35:40pm

re: #56 Stanley Sea

See the latest greatest Ari Fleisher tweet yet?

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My god what an asshole. You know, Ari, I know you’re a hack but at least show some dignity.

69 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:35:59pm

re: #66 Vicious Babushka

GREAT South Park
Cartman & George Zimmerman stop the zombie apocalypse!

Yep enjoyed it 3/3 this year if you ask me.

70 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:36:29pm

re: #67 jaunte

Just got a call from my middle daughter. She and her husband are both
army vets, and making their mortgage payment depends a lot on a couple of government checks that aren’t coming while the shutdown is in effect. They’re worried.

I know the feeling. I had to overnight a check from my church today to make the payment on our health insurance (due tomorrow).

71 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:36:49pm

re: #67 jaunte

Just got a call from my middle daughter. She and her husband are both
army vets, and making their mortgage payment depends a lot on a couple of government checks that aren’t coming while the shutdown is in effect. They’re worried.

We’re going to try to run the whole freakn’ country from Payday Loan.

72 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:37:17pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

I actually have to say that I’ve been surprised and impressed at the man’s performance throughout this whole mess. Early on, when there was loose talk about a “Grand Bargain,” I actually began to feel a bit depressed because I figured he’d go after that mythical creature yet again and give the GOP an escape route. But he hasn’t, he’s made it clear he’s only going to enter talks after the GOP has taken the gun from the hostages’ heads, and that has left me assured that even if we go into default, he has done everything possible to keep the GOP from scoring any sort of “victory” over him.

Today NPR had an intro that said basically, “in his usual calm way” POTUS…..

So that’s that. They are noticing the possible Vulcan that many many many have mentioned before.

73 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:37:27pm

re: #28 FemNaziBitch

I really have to get off the computer and do laundry!

Hah!! Had mine done by noon today.

74 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:39:03pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Oldest daughter and husband are both former Air Force; they’re working three jobs between them, and I’ve been sending them money every month since the Sequester kicked in and cut him out of a contractor job.

75 GOPHostage#25698724  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:39:42pm

Watching Jon Stewart…

“Today Syria paid all its bills and government employees”

Drops mic.

76 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:39:43pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

The poll is probably about right, the number of people who actually understand the issue in any kind of depth. The fact that the Republican’s numbers are so much worse is encouraging, and Obama’s “trust” numbers are still relatively high in comparison.

A lot of people are just frustrated, and will take that frustration out on everyone. That they’d do the exact same thing Obama’s doing were they in his position doesn’t even enter into their mental calculus.

And that is the dilemma. Longer it goes on, more the blame is spread. Everyone knows this. Dems want to end it. Teabaggers? Drill here drill now!

77 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:40:56pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

My god what an asshole. You know, Ari, I know you’re a hack but at least show some dignity.

He probably made 100K off of that tweet.

For real.

78 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:42:03pm

re: #74 jaunte

Oldest daughter and husband are both former Air Force; they’re working three jobs between them, and I’ve been sending them money every month since the Sequester kicked in and cut him out of a contractor job.

I feel it. Son1 was in IT at Movie Gallery. Since they went TU he’s been bouncing around gas stations and 7-11s.

79 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:42:20pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

He probably made 100K off of that tweet.

For real.

Yeah and people wonder why people become socialists. Well you’re looking at a reason.

80 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:45:41pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

He probably made 100K off of that tweet.

For real.

He has to do something, now that Hollywood Squares is out of production. Danny Bonaducci couldn’t get him on Most Shocking…

81 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:46:41pm

re: #80 Decatur Deb

He has to do something, now that Hollywood Squares is out of production. Danny Bonaducci Couldn’t get him on Most Shocking…

Win. But yeah nothing more pathetic than a former Press Secretary who thinks he’s a wit and relevant. See also, Perino, Dana.

82 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:53:22pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Win. But yeah nothing more pathetic than a former Press Secretary who thinks he’s a wit and relevant. See also, Perino, Dana.

They don’t care about the intellectual part of their job. Now it’s $$$$

Hmmmm.

83 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:54:02pm
84 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:55:56pm

re: #82 Stanley Sea

They don’t care about the intellectual part of their job. Now it’s $$$$

Hmmmm.

Yep. Pretty pathetic honest.

85 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:56:47pm

You know. I’ve been making an effort to not make false analogies with the GOP and the shutdown. I’ve refused to use comparisons of terrorists. Comparing them to the Taliban. I’ve refused to say that “Iran is easier to negotiate than the GOP.” It’s come easy because to be honest, that’s how I feel. This effort has come easy to me. So I’m lying here with a hot towel over my eyes only to remove the towel and see Ari Fleischer’s Tweet about the president. I don’t know what to say. It’s insulting in so many ways. Especially after these long 5 years.

86 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:57:04pm

I will not lower myself to Ari Fleischer’s level.

87 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:58:44pm

re: #83 jaunte

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Speaking of which, apparently the wingnuts found themselves a pair of new heroes today, the delegate and mayor of D.C., who are pleading with the President and Reid to support a House GOP bill allowing the district to utilize locally taxes to fund the government in absence of federal funds.

88 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:58:49pm
89 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:00:56pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

Speaking of which, apparently the wingnuts found themselves a pair of new heroes today, the delegate and mayor of D.C., who are pleading with the President and Reid to support a House GOP bill allowing the district to utilize locally taxes to fund the government in absence of federal funds.

YEah I saw Issa with Holmes and Mayor Grey on TV. Funny how they now love Vincent Grey. I understand why Grey and Holmes-Norton are frustrated for the record but this placemeal shit needs to end and siding with the people who caused the shut down for only short term gain is short-sighted.

90 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:04:38pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

Speaking of which, apparently the wingnuts found themselves a pair of new heroes today, the delegate and mayor of D.C., who are pleading with the President and Reid to support a House GOP bill allowing the district to utilize locally taxes to fund the government in absence of federal funds.

That’s because they have to see their constituents every day, and a lot of them are never far from the edge. Can’t fault them for chiding people who see governance as an ‘abstraction’.

91 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:05:23pm

It would be nice if Boehner just put the CR but no he has to be the TP’s errand boy.

92 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:07:23pm

I lived through the horror that was Simcity (2013) and so find it hilarious that the response to the glitches with the ACA websites is to term it “disastrous.” Yes, believe it or not, trying to run a very big and complicated program such as this is going to cause problems. If you seriously believe that you can do so in even 3 years without any major glitches in the first month, you’ve not been paying attention to any major game release of the past two decades.

93 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:12:32pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

I lived through the horror that was Simcity (2013) and so find it hilarious that the response to the glitches with the ACA websites is to term it “disastrous.” Yes, believe it or not, trying to run a very big and complicated program such as this is going to cause problems. If you seriously believe that you can do so in even 3 years without any major glitches in the first month, you’ve not been paying attention to any major game release of the past two decades.

People can also shop for and purchase ACA metal tier plans on ehealthinsurance.com, although it won’t help them figure any subsidy they might be due. Now that I mention it I’m not sure how that works, there’s probably some easy form to fill out and send in to get the subsidy rolling if you purchase a qualifying plan directly from the insurance company or through a non-ACA website.

94 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:13:49pm

Good night now!

95 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:14:15pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

I lived through the horror that was Simcity (2013)

I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

96 jaunte  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:16:00pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

They said you was hung.

97 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:16:38pm

Seriously, I can’t think of the major game release in the last few years that didn’t see the messageboards light up the following day with bug reports. Hell, it’s become such a staple of gaming in recent years for bugs to remain even after half a dozen patches and hot-fixes that gamers take the time to write unofficial patches.

98 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:22:54pm

re: #97 Targetpractice

Seriously, I can’t think of the major game release in the last few years that didn’t see the messageboards light up the following day with bug reports. Hell, it’s become such a staple of gaming in recent years for bugs to remain even after half a dozen patches and hot-fixes that gamers take the time to write unofficial patches.

This is a good analogy.

99 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:25:12pm

re: #80 Decatur Deb

He has to do something, now that Hollywood Squares is out of production. Danny Bonaducci couldn’t get him on Most Shocking…

I thought that is what Fox News was for.

101 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:26:37pm

re: #99 FemNaziBitch

I thought that is what Fox News was for.

Nah only room for one former Bush press secretary on FNC. One is dead and between him and Dana Perino, she’s more TV presentable. I don’t remember Snow that well but Ari and Dana just come across so petty and vindictive towards President Obama as if he personally wronged them somehow.

102 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:29:33pm

And of course the reality of fixing bugs and glitches in any major program is lost on the technologically illiterate. Before you can even begin to identify the problem, you first have to be able to reproduce it. When you’ve got a lot of bugs, it takes time to track each one down, reproduce it, analyze it, and fix the section of code that’s borked. It’s why major game makers don’t release a patch for each individual bug, because some bugs might be the work of minutes or hours and some might take days of work to fix. Better to do one big patch that fixes a slew of bugs.

103 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:31:43pm
104 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:36:36pm

re: #66 Vicious Babushka

GREAT South Park
Cartman & George Zimmerman stop the zombie apocalypse!

I just finished watching that. Not their best, but still funny.

I haven’t seen World War Z, so it’s probably why I’m not rating it higher.

105 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:37:22pm

re: #104 Lidane

I just finished watching that. Not their best, but still funny.

I haven’t seen World War Z, so it’s probably why I’m not rating it higher.

Skip the movie, read the book.

106 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:38:02pm

re: #105 Kragar

Skip the movie, read the book.

Amen!

107 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:39:03pm

re: #105 Kragar

Skip the movie, read the book.

That’s what I’ve heard. I think the boyfriend has it somewhere. I’ll ask him.

108 klys  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:43:19pm

The scones came out AMAZINGLY TASTY. Mmmmmmmm. Perfect accompaniment to soup.

109 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:48:18pm

dailykos.com
Yeah Obama’s being totally irrational and not trying to do anything. Isn’t that right intern who trolls errr writes for Steve Stockman’s twitter?

110 Spocomptonite  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:51:31pm

re: #24 Mike Lamb

I’ve said it before: if these guys really think the debt ceiling isn’t an issue, then why/how is it leverage?

Because they only know/care that it seems to be really important to “the other side”.

It’s like a kid that is angry at their parents going and sabotaging their parent’s work computer because they know it’s important and that it exact revenge, but they do so completely ignorant of how it could cost them their job and thus they are in fact sabotaging their whole family, including themselves.

They just aren’t mature/wise enough to see beyond one or two links in the chain reaction their actions could/will cause.

111 BongCrodny  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:51:46pm

re: #88 Kragar

Meth-head with a broken bottle

“Spooge” sounds about right.

Spooge was the meth-head in “Breaking Bad” who called his wife a skank one too many times, so she pushed back the ATM he was working under, crushing his head.

112 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:57:57pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Nah only room for one former Bush press secretary on FNC. One is dead and between him and Dana Perino, she’s more TV presentable. I don’t remember Snow that well but Ari and Dana just come across so petty and vindictive towards President Obama as if he personally wronged them somehow.

i miss hearing dana perino described as the “lying sack of cute”

113 blueraven  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:58:18pm

re: #56 Stanley Sea

See the latest greatest Ari Fleisher tweet yet?

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He also retweeted this (which has now been deleted)

No link provided in the tweet, so I googled it

STORY REMOVED: BC-AP-VA — McAuliffe-Death Benefits

By Associated Press, Updated: Wednesday, October 9, 10:40 PM

RICHMOND, Va. — The Associated Press has withdrawn its story about documents in a federal fraud case alleging that Virginia Democratic gubernatorial nominee Terry McAuliffe lied to a federal official investigating a death benefits scheme. The indictment did not identify McAuliffe as the “T.M.” who allegedly lied to investigators.

washingtonpost.com

114 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:00:26pm

Julian Assange rips the movie about him as a ‘geriatric snoozefest’

There is a Rohypnol joke in there somewhere.

115 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:03:24pm

women in large conurbations are so traumatised - if your eye happens to fall on them they react w a look that says DON’T you look at me

i do so enjoy being out in the sticks where they smile & flirt

looks like i’ll have to move somewhere else if i want to get married again

116 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:04:03pm

re: #113 blueraven

He also retweeted this (which has now been deleted)

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No link provided in the tweet, so I googled it

washingtonpost.com

Typical. I don’t even like McAulife but that shit is pathetic.Anything to distract from what a big shithead Ken Cuccinnelli acutally is huh Ari.

117 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:06:15pm

re: #113 blueraven

He also retweeted this (which has now been deleted)

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No link provided in the tweet, so I googled it

washingtonpost.com

Jesus, that’s some really goddamned lousy journalism. It’s not even journalism, they just reported their own baseless, wild ass assumption that T.M. must stand for Terry McCauliffe. How do people not lose their jobs over this kind of stunt?

118 blueraven  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:07:43pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Typical. I don’t even like McAulife but that shit is pathetic.Anything to distract from what a big shithead Ken Cuccinnelli acutally is huh Ari.

Well its all over the web now. Some have changed titles, with no explanation. Others are running with it. Pathetic.

google.com

119 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:08:46pm

re: #118 blueraven

Well its all over the web now. Some have changed titles, with no explanation. Others are running with it. Pathetic.

google.com

As I said, anything to distract from the fact that Coochie actually wants to criminalize how consenting adults fuck and his crazy running mate is an open Christofascist.

120 BongCrodny  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:08:58pm

re: #104 Lidane

I just finished watching that. Not their best, but still funny.

I haven’t seen World War Z, so it’s probably why I’m not rating it higher.

I have.

[rant]

Spoiler

Brad Pitt has got to be the worst guy you’d ever want to show up at a zombie apocalypse. During the initial zombie outbreak, he directs his family to take shelter in an apartment building, where they are given shelter by a brave immigrant couple. Moments later, the zombies that were following Brad & family overrun the building, killing the immigrant couple. Brad and family escape.

Later, Brad goes to an military base in South Korea to try to find the cause of the plague. They’re trying to be vewy, vewy quiet, but then Brad’s cell phone goes off, the zombies discover them and all the soldiers get killed. Brad escapes.

Brad then goes to Jerusalem where, despite knowing that zombies are attracted too sound, stands around watching the refugees sing loudly. The zombies overrun the walls of Jerusalem, and eat everybody there except Brad and the Brave Israeli Soldier Girl who was accompanying him. The Brave Israeli Soldier Girl gets bit in the hand, but Brad chops her hand off and saves her. Brad and the Brave Soldier Girl escape, managing to catch The Last Flight Out Of Jerusalem.

However, some infected guy in the bathroom turns into a zombie, and the whole plane goes zombie from the back to the front of the plane. Brad and the others put suitcases in the aisle to try to fool the zombies, but that works out about as well as you would expect. Brad detonates a grenade, sucking the zombies out of the plane and anyone else who might have still been human. The plane crashes, and Brad and the Brave Israeli Soldier Girl are the only survivors.

So take warning: if you see Brad Pitt coming your way during the zombie apocalypse, head the fuck the other way immediately.

[/rant]

121 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:21:12pm

re: #120 BongCrodny

Well that explains a lot of the events in the South Park episode. Heh.

122 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:21:28pm

re: #120 BongCrodny

I have.

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Out of the events you mentioned in the spoilers, exactly zero of them occur in the book.

123 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:22:00pm

re: #122 Kragar

Out of the events you mentioned in the spoilers, exactly zero of them occur in the book.

In fact, one of them is the exact opposite of what happens in the book.

124 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:22:39pm

re: #122 Kragar

Out of the events you mentioned in the spoilers, exactly zero of them occur in the book.

re: #123 Targetpractice

In fact, one of them is the exact opposite of what happens in the book.

Seriously? Wow. No wonder people were ripping the film apart.

125 darthstar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:26:20pm

re: #124 Lidane

Seriously? Wow. No wonder people were ripping the film apart.

I’m tired of zombie flicks…we need more vampire flicks.

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126 darthstar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:27:34pm

Though a Zombies vs Vampires movie could be fun.

127 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:27:57pm

re: #124 Lidane

Seriously? Wow. No wonder people were ripping the film apart.

I’m not exactly surprised to hear what became of the film. When they took J. Michael Straczynski off writing the script and started shopping it around, I knew that bad shit was in the wind.

128 darthstar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:29:32pm

Okay…this sucks…

129 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:33:20pm

Militants have kidnapped the Prime MInister of Libya.

I say Muslim Brotherhood responsible.

130 darthstar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:34:14pm

re: #126 darthstar

Though a Zombies vs Vampires movie could be fun.

Imagine the disappointment…

Zombie: “These brains are old!”
Vampire: “This blood is clotted and hard to suck!”

131 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:35:06pm

re: #128 darthstar

Okay…this sucks…

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I was hoping it was fake.

132 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:35:43pm
133 darthstar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:35:47pm

re: #129 ProTARDISLiberal

Militants have kidnapped the Prime MInister of Libya.

I say Muslim Brotherhood responsible.

I blame Obama…somebody has to and the GOP is preoccupied right now.

Seriously, I’ll wait for more info first.

134 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:36:08pm

re: #131 Gus

So was I.

135 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:39:29pm

re: #133 darthstar

With the way they have been acting in the past year, I think it is not an outrageous position.

Either them or the Salafis.

136 Kragar  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:48:17pm

Jon Stewart hammers Republicans on shutdown: ‘You burned the f*cking store down’ to fight Obamacare

“You’re saying some people in Congress are being forced to pay for some stuff they don’t want, and that’s not fair,” Stewart explained. “But unfortunately, that’s called being in a country with some people who aren’t exactly you.”

But what is really going on at that metaphorical “store,” Stewart explained, is that the rest of the country chipped in and gave Lee and his colleagues money with which to buy milk, bread and eggs.

“Then you decided on your own, ‘You know what? I don’t f*cking like eggs. Eggs are a Communist menace turning our country Muslim,’” Stewart said. “‘So I’m just gonna buy milk and bread.’ And everybody else is like, ‘We passed a law that you would buy milk, bread and eggs. And the Supreme Court upheld that shopping list.’ And that’s when you burned the f*cking store down.”

Stewart also sneered at reports that a number of Republicans actually would vote for a “clean” resolution that would provide funding for government operations — only they’re too afraid of being voted out in favor of candidates even further along the right-wing spectrum.

“So they’re willing to let people lose their government paycheck so that they don’t lose their government paycheck,” Stewart explained.

137 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:51:06pm

re: #136 Kragar

Jon Stewart hammers Republicans on shutdown: ‘You burned the f*cking store down’ to fight Obamacare

Sad that a comedian gets it better than most of our newscasters. You’ve got fucking Blitzer saying that Obama should just give in and delay ACA. There’s no feasible reason to delay ACA being implemented.

138 Gus  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:59:49pm

Good night.

139 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:00:30pm

re: #124 Lidane

Seriously? Wow. No wonder people were ripping the film apart.

Just as point of information, I think WWZ (the book) may get identified as a ‘classic’ down the road. I really think it’s that good.

One major difference between movie and book (of oh so many) that doesn’t spoil a darn thing while demonstrating is the frame. In the movie, the UN guy is the action hero. In the book he’s the interviewer that has collected the stories of people involved. It’s an oral history compilation in echo of Studs Terkel’s The Good War.

(Digression: if you haven’t read TGW put it high on your reading list and do so soon. It’ll turn the dry academia of WWII into actual history for you.)

140 Lidane  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:17:46pm

re: #136 Kragar

Jon Stewart hammers Republicans on shutdown: ‘You burned the f*cking store down’ to fight Obamacare

As usual, Stewart gets it. I can only hope people are listening.

141 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:44:24pm

Joined Twitter today.. Thank all of you lizards for such help and kindness.
I am HoosierHoops3 so don’t get me mixed up with Larry the Legend or Dr. Dunk or whoever on Twitter..I’m just number 3..My over enthusiasm to buy back HoosierHoops may have been premature.. Like that has never happened. So in other news.. I bought this bitchen glass and stainless steel computer desk for the bedroom. I love it..It’s mostly glass and looks really sharp…The LED lights make it look so cool..Anyhooo..

142 Bubblehead II  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:49:39pm

Night Lizards.

May You all Sleep well.

143 geoduck  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:43:46pm

Re: World War Z. It’s been said that the best man to direct a truly faithful adaptation of the book would be documentarian Ken Burns.

144 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 9, 2013 11:45:25pm

Well, shit.

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zeidan was snatched by gunmen before dawn Thursday from a Tripoli hotel where he resides, the government said. The abduction appeared to be in retaliation for the U.S. special forces raid over the weekend that seized a Libyan al-Qaeda suspect from the streets of the capital.

Zeidan’s abduction reflected the weakness of Libya’s government, which is virtually held hostage by powerful militias, many of which are made up of Islamic militants. Militants were angered by the U.S. capture of the suspected militant, known as Abu Anas al-Libi, and accused the government of colluding in or allowing the raid.

Right now lot of Christian fanatics in Congress are wishing they could do this to Obama. They’re looking on, jealous that they can only hold the budget, full faith and credit of their country hostage, and not its duly elected head of state.

145 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 12:24:08am


And on that note, good night all!

146 Amory Blaine  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 1:37:23am

Report: Foxconn using forced student labor to build Sony’s PS4

If reports in the Chinese press are to be believed, Sony’s next-gen games console may be being assembled using some very outdated labor practices. According to Hong Kong’s Oriental Daily, thousands of students from an IT engineering program at the Xi’an Institute of Technology are being forced to work at Foxconn’s Yantai plant assembling the Sony Playstation 4. Students have been told if they refuse to participate, they lose six course credits, which effectively means they will not be able to graduate.

Officially, the program is considered an “internship” and it is publicly recognized and promoted by the school. But students have said that once they got to Foxconn, they were assigned to jobs that had no relation whatsoever to their fields of study, including grunt work like distribution and shipping. One student, for example, majored in finance and accounting but has been assigned to a job that entails glueing together parts of Sony’s Playstation 4. Another was assigned to a job that entails peeling of the PS4′s protective plastic and putting stickers on it. Still another, a computer science major, puts the PS4′s various cords and the instruction manual into the console’s box. Moreover, students say that their working hours are exactly the same as regular workers. The only difference is that unlike the workers, the students aren’t being paid.

Christmas is such a magical time.

147 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 1:46:50am

re: #146 Amory Blaine

There have been other reports of such “internships” in China. I would guess there is some sort of collusion between the bosses of the companies and the bosses of the universities.

Universities and state-owned enterprises here have two tiers of bosses: the actual administrators who run the show and the party secretaries who keep them in line with Party mandates. So, you can imagine how such situations like the Foxconn “internships” could come about.

148 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 2:12:49am

re: #143 geoduck

Re: World War Z. It’s been said that the best man to direct a truly faithful adaptation of the book would be documentarian Ken Burns.

That would actually be awesome. I love the book; the movie…..pffft.

149 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 2:46:09am

This really is going beyond “journalism” if you ask me. The questions could still be asked without the sensationalism of exposing the inner workings of your country’s security agencies. How is it “helpful” to do this? How does it really add to the discussion of transparency and legislative overview of sensitive policies?

Guardian to publish more Snowden intelligence revelations

Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger says he plans to publish more revelations from Edward Snowden despite MI5 warning that such disclosures cause enormous damage.

bbc.co.uk

“Mr Rusbridger insisted the paper was right to publish files leaked by the US intelligence analyst and had helped to prompt a necessary and overdue debate.

“His comments come after criticism from the new head of MI5, Andrew Parker.

“Making public the “reach and limits” of intelligence-gathering techniques gave terrorists the advantage, he [Parker] said.”

Also, Daddy Snowden has landed in Russia.

“If the opportunity presents itself, I certainly hope that I have the opportunity to see my son,” he said in televised remarks.”

bbc.co.uk

You “hope” you have the “opportunity”? I would have had assurances that it would happen before I even went. Way to put yourself and your son in obsequious, weak positions. But then, your son has compromised himself already.

Unless, of course, you really think he is wrong for his actions, and are just following the bad advice of his faux friends who helped get him to his gulag existence.

150 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 2:50:31am

Also, Libya PM Ali Zidan has been released, per AP and others.

151 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 3:15:04am

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

Also, Libya PM Ali Zidan has been released, per AP and others.

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Good on both.

Wonder why they released him? Maybe the kidnappers figured they’d bitten off more than they could chew.

152 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 3:31:17am

Hey, Paul Ryan, You Lost.

Youtube Video

Give the RW an inch, and they’ll take a mile, even if they lose. Subverting democracy, teabagger style.

Elections have consequences. Only the RW doesn’t think they should. Well, ‘wingers, y’all are so screwed, because you’re a dying breed. Can’t wait until you’re out of here. You may think you’re teaching your kids to believe your crap, but hopefully, they will realize that error and grow up into truly caring human beings in this continuously changing world we live in.

153 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:03:38am

Not to be outdone by GOHMERT! or others in the herculean competition for Dumbest Member of Congress, Texas Republican Joe Barton proclaimed that wind is a “finite resource” and that “….harnessing it would slow the winds down and cause temperature to go up”.

injusticebydesign.wordpress.com

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154 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:19:04am

Yay! Hooray for the “short story”. Munro writes them as novels should be written.


A very good analysis of Munro’s work: eclectica.org

155 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:33:05am

re: #146 Amory Blaine

Report: Foxconn using forced student labor to build Sony’s PS4

Christmas is such a magical time.

Coming soon to the USA!

156 Aqua Obama  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:36:09am

I think Obama should stay away from these proposed short term debt increases- it’s just gradual erosion of the ACA (and everything else) by a thousand cuts.

Seriously. Six weeks is moronic.

157 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:48:14am
158 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:53:45am

There are plenty more sites that would qualify for “Worst Website in the History of Technology” (Warning: this link may trigger seizures)

159 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:57:38am

Well there is hope in the world after all, a wingnut just retweeted this Fake Quote correction.

160 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:59:56am

re: #159 Vicious Babushka

Well there is hope in the world after all, a wingnut just retweeted this Fake Quote correction.

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Reason enough for you to wade the derpstream.

161 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:05:33am

I have no idea where Bryan got this “$635 million to build ‘Obamacare’ website.” Fox News claims $93 million.

What else can you expect when you do a major public-facing production rollout and the entire web support team is laid off because of shutdown?

Could it be built for less than $635 million or $93 million or whatever number Bryan & Fox News pull out of their ass? Yeah, by using Bangladeshian programmers, while American programmers are unemployed.

A skilled web programmer can make $45-$65/hr (depending on location).

162 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:09:43am

The new Zionist Overlord has received her name: Ariella.

163 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:13:18am

Treasury Secretary Lew testifies debt limit hearing
LIVE VIDEO —Secretary of the Treasury Jack Lew testifies at a Senate finance hearing on the debt limit.

nbcnews.com

164 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:14:35am

re: #162 Vicious Babushka

The new Zionist Overlord has received her name: Ariella.

Lioness? That’d be a name to live up to.

165 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:15:29am

re: #164 Decatur Deb

Lioness? That’d be a name to live up to.

Already she is unique among the crowds of her cousins Sarahs and Moussias, destined to be her minions.

166 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:15:32am

re: #162 Vicious Babushka

The new Zionist Overlord has received her name: Ariella.

Cool name. I may offer it as an English name for one of my Chinese students.

167 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:17:49am

re: #164 Decatur Deb

Lioness? That’d be a name to live up to.

The name actually means “Lion of GD” with a feminine suffix.
Lioness is Laviyah.

168 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:24:09am

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

The name actually means “Lion of GD” with a feminine suffix.
Lioness is Laviyah.

Was thinking of The Ari, and Ari ben Judah the Venetian rabbi/alchemist. (That and Barbarella.)

169 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:40:52am

Treasury Secretary Lew: After Oct. 17 the US needs to make several large payments for Medicare, Social Security and veterans - live video

The RW doesn’t know what it’s stirring up here.

I refuse, like many others, to go without my benefits while RW idiots lie, live it up, do the will of billionaires, and try to punish me for having the audacity to demand something for which I worked all my life: SS and Medicare benefits.

Too many of us are already living close to the bone, and that includes the other 2 who live in my household, one of which is a small child.

The thought of the kind of scenario that statement brings up, how it would affect tens of millions of people, not just adults, but children, infuriates me beyond words. White hot hate doesn’t begin to describe how I feel about these RW criminals.

170 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:43:12am

Too many wingnuts are repeating the fake meme that raising the debt ceiling means MOAR SPENDING.

AND NO IT’S NOT LIKE YOUR GRANNY SCRIMPING AND SAVING AND ONLY PAYING CASH DOWN ON THE BARREL HEAD.

171 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:44:51am

Speaking of blithering idiots, this happened:


The letter he wrote to Benedict Cumberbatch is every bit as egomaniacal and self-serving as you think it is.

172 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:46:09am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

$895 kabilliozillion dollArs!!1111

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173 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:46:56am

re: #171 Lidane

Speaking of blithering idiots, this happened:


The letter he wrote to Benedict Cumberbatch is every bit as egomaniacal and self-serving as you think it is.

Thinks movie should be called “Julian Assange”.

174 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:47:58am

re: #171 Lidane

Speaking of blithering idiots, this happened:

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The letter he wrote to Benedict Cumberbatch is every bit as egomaniacal and self-serving as you think it is.

He wrote this:

I do not believe it is going to be positive for me or the people I care about.

I believe that it is going to be overwhelmingly negative for me and the people I care about.

Someone (Miley Cyrus, maybe) tell Julian that negative publicity is still publicity.

175 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:48:36am

If Obamacare should be repealed because of healthcare.gov website glitches, then should we stop using PDFs because of Adobe password breaches?

176 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:49:02am

re: #173 Bulworth

Thinks movie should be called “Julian Assange: TEH MOAST AWESOMEIST SUPERHERO EVER!!!!!!”.

177 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:50:25am

Speaking of shutdowns and CR’s, the CR used to be the Leverage. This was because the CR typically funded the government at existing levels, while the (Dem) president requested higher levels of funding. The CR enabled the GOP to delay the president’s request and **negotiate** a different budget level. (Reverse these for GOP pres/Dem Congress)

Now, of course, we’re told that the CR itself is a GOP “concession”, which amounts to an “unconditional surrender”. So, goalposts, they have been moved.

178 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:52:31am

re: #171 Lidane

Who the hell is going to pay to watch an Assange movie?

The Dudebros will get a pirated copy because they think that information should be free and normal people can’t even stand to see the real Assange on the news for more than 5 seconds.

179 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:58:33am

re: #178 b.d.

Who the hell is going to pay to watch an Assange movie?

The Dudebros will get a pirated copy because they think that information should be free and normal people can’t even stand to see the real Assange on the news for more than 5 seconds.

Cumberbatch is TEH AWESOME!

I would watch it especially now that I know it has pissed off Assange because he’s portrayed as the bad guy.

180 BongCrodny  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:58:58am

Koch Brothers Send Letter on Obamacare to Senate

Dear Senator:

A great deal of what you read and hear about Koch Industries is erroneous or misleading. Indeed, there was false information presented about Koch on the Senate floor by Senate Majority Leader Reid, who claimed yesterday that Koch was behind the shutdown of the federal government in an effort to defund the Affordable Care Act or “Obamacare.” Because several of you have asked what our position is on this, we want to set the record straight and correct this information.

Koch believes that Obamacare will increase deficits, lead to an overall lowering of the standard of health care in America, and raise taxes. However, Koch has not taken a position on the legislative tactic of tying the continuing resolution to defunding Obamacare nor have we lobbied on legislative provisions defunding Obamacare.

Instead, Koch has focused on educating the public about reducing our nation’s debt and controlling government spending. We believe that Congress should, at a minimum, keep to sequester-level spending guidelines, and develop a plan for more significant and widespread spending reductions in the future. We believe that Congress should work to rein in government spending so that it becomes no longer necessary to continually raise the debt ceiling.

Congress should focus on these efforts: balancing the budget, tightening and cutting government spending, and eliminating market-distorting subsidies and mandates.

We are hopeful this sets the record straight and that in the future Senator Reid and other politicians will stop misrepresenting and distorting Koch’s positions.

Sincerely,

Philip Ellender
President, Government & Public Affairs
Koch Companies Public Sector, LLC

In the years from 2007-2010, the State of Oklahoma gave Koch $16 million dollars in corporate tax credit. Apparently subsidies are good when they come from the state level.

Government “Incentives”

Also from the New York Times:

A Federal Budget Crisis Months In The Planning

The billionaire Koch brothers, Charles and David, have been deeply involved with financing the overall effort. A group linked to the Kochs, Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, disbursed more than $200 million last year to nonprofit organizations involved in the fight. Included was $5 million to Generation Opportunity, which created a buzz last month with an Internet advertisement showing a menacing Uncle Sam figure popping up between a woman’s legs during a gynecological exam.

Also:

Koch Brothers $1 million campaign to kill Obamacare

The conservative advocacy group Americans for Prosperity, bankrolled by the billionaire Koch brothers, is spending more than $1 million in an ad blitz aimed at undermining confidence in the law. In a new television spot that will first air in Ohio and Virginia before expanding to other states, the group suggests that ObamaCare will limit Americans’ health care choices while raising their insurance premiums.

To misquote Dorothy Parker: Every word in this letter is a lie, including “a” and the.”

Paged

181 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:07:18am

re: #175 Dr. Matt

And we should stop driving all cars because of the recalls. And Apple because of Newton and Siri doesn’t behave as it does in ads, and stop using computers altogether because of the blue screen of death.

OMG. My computer just crashed. Again. Yet, you boot right back up and resume what you were doing.

There it goes again. This time Firefox, or Chrome, or IE (as if!). Toast.

Yet, you pick up and resume work.

But perhaps the worst thing is that Congress stopped working thanks to the GOP. Time for the GOP to be out of work. They broke it, so they need to stop being reelected to destroy the thing they were sent to do - govern.

182 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:09:37am

*sigh*

Brewster County Commissioners Decide Federal Government Has No Right to Shut Down Big Bend National Park

It’s a NATIONAL PARK. It is run by the feds. Yes, they have the right to close it during a government shutdown.

I swear people are losing their shit about the parks and monuments and ignoring the real threat to real, living people posed by the impending default and ongoing shutdown.

183 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:10:44am

re: #182 Lidane

*sigh*

Brewster County Commissioners Decide Federal Government Has No Right to Shut Down Big Bend National Park

It’s a NATIONAL PARK. It is run by the feds. Yes, they have the right to close it during a government shutdown.

I swear people are losing their shit about the parks and monuments and ignoring the real threat to real, living people posed by the impending default and ongoing shutdown.

THEY SHUD PRIVATIZE ALL TEH NATIONAL PARKS AND LET WE THE PEOPLE MANAGE THEM!!!11!!!!!

184 Ming  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:13:26am

From Yahoo, Obamacare is a different law in red states:

“Henry Aaron, a renowned health care economist and senior fellow at think tank the Brookings Institution compares the red state movement against Obamacare to the 1950s policy of “massive resistance,” the name given to efforts by some politicians in the South to prevent black children from attending school with white students after the Supreme Court’s landmark desegregation ruling. Indeed, a September survey by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center found that 23% of adults want elected officials to try to make it fail. “The idea that you have a duly passed law, confirmed by the courts, that is affecting tens of millions of people, and you have state officials doing everything in their power to block the enforcement of the law of the land,” says Aaron, “is in the same corner of the box, so to speak, as a massive resistance.”

More and more, I’m getting it, how much the opposition to President Obama is related to the Old South, the Confederate States of America, etc. This one theme keeps coming up, again and again.

185 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:13:55am

re: #179 Vicious Babushka

Cumberbatch is TEH AWESOME!

I would watch it especially now that I know it has pissed off Assange because he’s portrayed as the bad guy.

Remember that it is Assange who doesn’t think that he was portrayed in a Godlike enough way, anything less than The Last Temptation of Julian would be an affront in his eyes.. I would imagine that the movie will still be full of Assange slobbering.

186 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:15:00am

re: #182 Lidane

A county in Utah is looking to do the same thing.


They’re upset at the business lost, and they’re trying to figure out a way to reopen the parks. They’re supposedly in talks with the Department of Interior over this, but what part of federal government shutdown do they not understand.

Their representatives - the GOP - made this shutdown happen in their target fixation on destroying Obamacare. They’re going to destroy the economy if they don’t get their way, and their constituents are getting it from their representatives. It sucks that the businesses lose business but they have no one to blame but the GOP who made this happen.

Mini-CRs to ameliorate the damage from the shutdown isn’t the answer. Clean CR for the full fiscal year plus a corresponding increase in the debt ceiling is.

187 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:17:36am

re: #184 Ming

More and more, I’m getting it, how much the opposition to President Obama is related to the Old South, the Confederate States of America, etc. This one theme keeps coming up, again and again.

That’s been obvious since 2008. They’re just more blatant about it now because they finally shut down the government and are threatening the world with economic collapse.

188 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:18:22am

re: #184 Ming

The GOP states are resisting implementation at every opportunity and were actively hoping to sabotage the federal exchanges by overwhelming them.

The states that implemented their own exchanges have had much smoother rollouts. Not particularly surprising.

Yet, it’s many of those GOP dominated states’ citizens that would benefit most from the Obamacare provisions because they have higher percentages of uninsureds than the rest of the nation. They also have worse health generally, so the Obamacare access to health insurance would improve the public’s health as well.

The GOP wants nothing to do with it. And they want it destroyed.

That’s what instigated this shutdown courtesy of Speaker Boehner choosing to lay with the Tea Party and scuttle a handshake deal with the Senate on a CR back in July.

The GOP owns this entirely.

189 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:19:52am

Another GOP nitwit’s ratings plummet over the GOP shutdown. This time Senator Mike Lee of Utah.

190 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:20:49am

ROFL. A friend of mine just posted a letter from Jim DeMint posted at the Heritage Foundation FB page whining about the ACA and explaining why the GOP is hellbent on destroying it.

I laughed and pointed out the irony of the Heritage Foundation whining about a law that started as one of their own ideas back in the 80’s. No response yet.

191 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:21:33am

re: #182 Lidane

Brewster 100.0% Reporting

M. Romney - GOP - 51.1% - 1,975

B. Obama (i) - Dem - 45.7% - 1,765

G. Johnson - Lib - 2.4% - 91

J. Stein - Grn - 0.9% - 35

More voters than I imagined and not as red as I would have thought.

192 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:24:19am
193 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:27:45am
194 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:28:27am
195 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:28:27am

re: #193 darthstar

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They’ll realize their mistake and use the bottom socket instead.

196 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:32:00am

re: #195 Varek Raith

They’ll realize their mistake and use the bottom socket instead.

When I was in high school and smoking a ton of pot, I worked at an Ole’s Hardware store. One day I was in electrical and looking at plug parts and thought, what if I make a loop of these so the current just goes back into the wall?

Well, you know what happens when you do that?

The entire fucking store goes dark…which is fortunate because it gives you time to hide the evidence and then ask, “What the hell just happened?”

197 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:36:07am

For any aquarium nerds out there…

imgur.com

198 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:37:14am

re: #192 darthstar

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Pickett’s Charge wasn’t surrender, Erick, son of Erick. It was just an idiotic maneuver put forth out of spite and stupidity and fanaticism that was bound to fail. Kind of like this. And from the same ideological tree, too.

199 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:38:19am

Good morning Lizards.

Rainy and overcast morning in Philadelphia. And the Pirates were eliminated in the playoffs last night. :(

Also been seeing odd behavior with LGF recently. Many buttons not working at all, and some when they “function” also toss me back to the front page or top of the page. And I cannot even see the comment editing buttons (italic, bold, etc.)

Thought this was old version of Firefox on work box, but upgraded to Firefox 24 and rebooted laptop yesterday. And seeing none of these behaviors on the home laptop that runs Firefox. Presumably it’s something then with either the proxy server or the browser security settings disabling stuff that LGF expects to use. And probably beyond my capability here to go tweak. :p

200 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:40:17am

re: #189 lawhawk

Another GOP nitwit’s ratings plummet over the GOP shutdown. This time Senator Mike Lee of Utah.

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Well, outside of metro Salt Lake, there ain’t a whole lot to Utah’s economy that isn’t based on tourism at federal sites like Zion and Arches National Parks and mining federal lands.

Hmm, so federal spending benefits wingnut voters too and not just mooching minorities. Whoda thunk it?

Also, this might also be a sign that Utah is drifting gradually to the left as more minorities and techies move there. Hell, I was able to gulp down a huge margarita in a restaurant in SLC back in August, so things must be liberalizing a bit. I really think the Dems need to make a hard sell to the Mormons and try to flip Utah someday. The Christian Right hates them anyway.

201 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:41:16am

Awww, Eric, son of Erick, is upset that a suicide attack by the GOP is likely to end in any way, shape, or form, other than a blowupdefeat?

They made outlandish demands that couldn’t even pass the smell test. The trick to making demands in politics is making them seem even the least bit reasonable and to know that the opposing side might actually entertain them without laughing you out of the room.

The GOP opening position: destroy Obamacare.
Laugh test response: ROFLMAO

The second GOP position: defund Obamacare.
Laugh test response: ROFLMAO, oh wait. You’re serious? LMAO. Pointing and snickering.

Third GOP position: Delay Obamacare.
Laugh test response: LMAO and suggest that you try again when your candidate wins national election on the same exact platform you’ve now tried in three different iterations (destroy/defund/delay Obamacare).

Fallback GOP position: Rename Obamacare as Romneycare (see above).
Laugh test response: You’re still here? LMAO

GOP position: Don’t defund/delay/destroy Obamacare, and we shutdown government.
Laugh test response: We’re not laughing anymore. You’re nuts. You’re driving the economy into the ground because you hate this duly enacted and judicially upheld law. And you know we’re not going to budge, but you’re doing this anyways?

That’s a mighty fine case of cognitive dissonance and well, insanity and we’re not going along with it.

GOP position: Don’t do as we say and we’re going to torch world economy by refusing to budge on debt ceiling.
Laugh test response: So, after 40+ attempts to defund, delay, destroy Obamacare, and didn’t get what you want, you’re now going to destroy the world’s economy and thrash the nation’s credit because of this? We refuse to negotiate with extortionists.

And we’re going to go after every single district that has a vulnerable GOPer on the ticket, and we’re going to try and win it - because the nation demands two sane parties, and you’re no longer meeting that definition.

Burn the economy to the ground, we’re going to make sure you never get power to do anything remotely like this ever again.

That’s not a threat. It’s a promise thanks to the Tea Party. And we’ll be sure that everyone knows that Obamacare is bringing access to affordable health insurance to millions despite the GOP attempts to sabotage.

202 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:43:08am

It’s cold.
It’s raining.
I’m cold.

203 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:44:27am
204 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:47:47am

Today is a day I am going to spend looking for some reality. I am so sick of spin. Everyone…spin, spin, spin. A nation of dodgers, truth benders and outright liars.

Is anyone involved even remotely embarrassed by any of this? You should be. Leaders…don’t think so. We are a country of shame.

Politicians. Take a moment to listen to yourselves. Can you live with what you are saying and doing? Is anything flowing out of your mouth real?

So in order to find some reality, I am staying away from politics. No political TV, No Political Net. Sports. Arts. Yes.

I’ll let the good members of this site be my filter. Let me know when you find some reality. Thanks!

205 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:49:17am

re: #203 Lidane

Awesome. Any teabagger who thinks they’re fighting a “war” should be smacked in the face by this guy and people like him. Any teabagger who compares Obama to Hitler should be smacked in the face by a Holocaust survivor. Any teabagger who compares Obama to the Soviets should be smacked in the face by someone who participated in the Hungarian uprising of 1956, the Prague Spring, or the January Events of 1991 in Lithuania.

206 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:49:20am

re: #200 Ian G.

SLC lifted its drinking restrictions ahead of the 2002 SLC Games. It’s actually got a pretty good brewery there (Red Rocks Brewing Co) and the airport is super easy to get to/from and navigate. Great place to fly into if you’re going to the Western National Parks from Zion, Bryce, Capitol Reef to Yellowstone and Grand Teton, plus all the national monuments in between plus Moab.

207 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:50:57am

Erick’s got a sad:

Erick Erickson Predicts ‘Real Third Party Movement’ To Divide GOP

Incensed that House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) are reportedly abandoning the effort to defund or delay the Affordable Care Act, RedState.com editor Erick Erickson predicted Thursday that Republican leadership is providing fertile ground for the rise of a “real third party movement” that will split the GOP.

“This comes at the same time the Obama administration admits it will be months before their Obamacare website will be fixed and Kathleen Sebelius is saying if people want out of the mandate they can pay a fine,” Erickson wrote. “Nonetheless, Cantor, Boehner, and with them Mitch McConnell and John Cornyn are expected to cave in and fully fund, unimpeded, Obamacare.”

Erickson wrote that those leaders “will ensure that Obamacare is fully funded and give the American public no delay like businesses have.”

“In doing so, they will sow the seeds of a real third party movement that will fully divide the Republican Party,” he added.

Erickson has been one of the most vociferous advocates of the campaign to gut the health care law, urging Republicans to stand firm even as the government remains shuttered and a potential debt crisis looms.

And despite polling that consistently shows Republicans are paying a political price for the shutdown, Erickson insisted earlier this week that the “GOP is winning” the public opinion battle.

Yeah Erick, great plan, divide the GOP and yield further ground to Democrats. Here, I’ll give you two words why that won’t happen: “Speaker Pelosi.”

208 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:51:37am

re: #206 lawhawk

SLC lifted its drinking restrictions ahead of the 2002 SLC Games. It’s actually got a pretty good brewery there (Red Rocks Brewing Co) and the airport is super easy to get to/from and navigate. Great place to fly into if you’re going to the Western National Parks from Zion, Bryce, Capitol Reef to Yellowstone and Grand Teton, plus all the national monuments in between plus Moab.

I did exactly that in August: flew into SLC and drove up to Yellowstone and Grand Teton. Also picked up a case of Wasatch beer on the drive up, only to discover well after the purchase that it’s 4% ABV. Had I waited to get up to Yellowstone, I could have gotten craft brews from Montana and Wyoming with real alcohol content. :-)

209 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:52:16am

re: #207 Targetpractice

Please proceed, Son of Erick.

210 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:54:28am

Cuccinelli here in Va ain’t doing so well.

211 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:55:13am

re: #205 Ian G.

Awesome. Any teabagger who thinks they’re fighting a “war” should be smacked in the face by this guy and people like him. Any teabagger who compares Obama to Hitler should be smacked in the face by a Holocaust survivor. Any teabagger who compares Obama to the Soviets should be smacked in the face by someone who participated in the Hungarian uprising of 1956, the Prague Spring, or the January Events of 1991 in Lithuania.

Great…I still have to wait for some teabagger to say it’s like a bad acid trip before I can smack them in the face. Then again, it is kind of like a bad trip. You keep thinking a budget is going to get passed and everything will get better, then a poster of Marianne Faithful leans out of the wall and tells you it’s only just beginning.

212 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:55:45am

re: #207 Targetpractice

A “real” third party movement this time!!!

Wouldn’t it be easier to just take ove an exisiting 3rd party that already has ballot access?

213 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:55:54am

re: #210 Varek Raith

Cuccinelli here in Va ain’t doing so well.

He hasn’t gotten the memo about VA: it’s pretty much as blue as Pennsylvania at this point, if the 2008 and 2012 elections were any indication.

214 BongCrodny  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:56:11am

re: #189 lawhawk

Shutdown sinks Sen. Mike Lee’s approval rating. Down to 40 percent in Utah:

40% in Utah would be what, something like 0% in a sane state?

215 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:56:20am

re: #207 Targetpractice

Erick’s got a sad:

Erick Erickson Predicts ‘Real Third Party Movement’ To Divide GOP

Dear RWNJs,

Please proceed.

Signed,
The Democratic Party

216 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:56:31am

re: #212 b.d.

A “real” third party movement this time!!!

Wouldn’t it be easier to just take ove an exisiting 3rd party that already has ballot access?

What’s the crazy far right party that always has a candidate: the “Constitutional Law Party” or something like that?

217 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:56:50am
218 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:57:33am

re: #217 darthstar

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Fucking whiny ass pansies.

219 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:57:42am

re: #212 b.d.

A “real” third party movement this time!!!

Wouldn’t it be easier to just take ove an exisiting 3rd party that already has ballot access?

Take over the Libertarians. They’re basically Republicans, but they smoke weed.

220 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:59:49am

re: #218 Varek Raith

Fucking whiny ass pansies.

Gawt damned no good for nothing panty waisted ne’er-do-wells!

221 prairiefire  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:00:27am

The inevitable has happened! Erick son of Erick wrote an anguished diary this morning on how he heard that “House GOP Preparing to Give Up.”
Howls!

222 prairiefire  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:00:54am

re: #219 Lidane

Take over the Libertarians. They’re basically Republicans, but they smoke weed.

And ignore wyymen.

223 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:00:55am

Tea-party behavior set matching 5-year-old brat continues. Erickson backs “take ball and go home” response to GOP leadership realizing that “hold breath until blue in the face” is not working and also bringing very close the chance of doing very real damage to the US and world economy. Not to mention the following well-deserved damage to the GOP name and all future candidates.

And thanks to whoever has been posting that 2008-2013 timeline of GOP against healthcare. I dumped that into my FB status and got a pile of likes. Waiting to see if I get any responsive comments from the nut brigade.

224 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:01:15am

re: #219 Lidane

Take over the Libertarians. They’re basically Republicans, but they smoke weed.

Libertarians are more like:

JESUS!!
Except for all the stuff he said about the poor, then AYN RAND!!!!

225 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:01:16am

re: #210 Varek Raith

Cuccinelli here in Va ain’t doing so well.

Yeah, we know Cucci’s in deep shit because his response to the latest polls was to accuse PPP of cooking the numbers. When your only recourse in response to poor polling is accuse the people running the poll of dishonesty, you’re in a bad spot.

Of course, to nobody’s surprise, a large part of the reason is that there’s a libertarian running, who seems to be sucking up the bulk of Cucci’s deficit.

226 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:02:21am

re: #219 Lidane

Take over the Libertarians. They’re basically Republicans, but they smoke weed.

re: #216 Ian G.

What’s the crazy far right party that always has a candidate: the “Constitutional Law Party” or something like that?

re: #212 b.d.

A “real” third party movement this time!!!

Wouldn’t it be easier to just take ove an exisiting 3rd party that already has ballot access?

Uhh—they seem to have taken over the 2nd party. Should have learned to drive before they stole the ‘Vette.

227 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:02:29am

re: #224 Vicious Babushka

Libertarians are more like:

JESUS!!
Except for all the stuff he said about the poor, then AYN RAND!!!!

So they’re basically an unholy mix of Republicans and dudebros. With weed.

Heh.

228 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:02:31am

re: #218 Varek Raith

Fucking whiny ass pansies.

I read that as “whiny ass parasites” at first - which I think is fairly accurate.

229 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:03:57am


Including the governor’s mansion water supply? //

230 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:04:25am

Dow is up 172 or so. What do they know about Speaker Boehner that we don’t know?

231 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:04:34am

re: #229 Gus

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Including the governor’s mansion water supply? //

That’s Patient Zero.

232 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:05:41am

re: #231 Vicious Babushka

That’s Patient Zero.

Something called volcano monitoring. //

233 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:05:44am

re: #230 Decatur Deb

Dow is up 172 or so. What do they know about Speaker Boehner that we don’t know?

Maybe they finally sobered Sir John of Orange up enough to listen to them on the default threats.

234 BongCrodny  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:05:45am

re: #202 Varek Raith

It’s cold.
It’s raining.
I’m cold.

Worst haiku ever.

235 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:05:47am

re: #229 Gus

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Including the governor’s mansion water supply? //

Kind of scary.
Don’t drink the water, Reine.

236 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:07:49am

re: #234 BongCrodny

Worst haiku ever.

Consider your species extinct!

237 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:07:52am

re: #230 Decatur Deb

Dow is up 172 or so. What do they know about Speaker Boehner that we don’t know?

Might be rising on news that the GOP leadership’s considering a short-term CR/debt ceiling bill in exchange for talks. The same bill that has Erick and the rest of the howler monkeys of the far-right going nuts.

238 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:08:06am

re: #234 BongCrodny

Worst haiku ever.

That’s a haa-choo, not a haiku.

239 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:08:52am

re: #207 Targetpractice

Erick’s got a sad:

Erick Erickson Predicts ‘Real Third Party Movement’ To Divide GOP

Yeah Erick, great plan, divide the GOP and yield further ground to Democrats. Here, I’ll give you two words why that won’t happen: “Speaker Pelosi.”

GOOD.

240 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:09:08am

re: #236 Varek Raith

Consider your species extinct!

You are obsolete!

241 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:09:48am

re: #210 Varek Raith

Cuccinelli here in Va ain’t doing so well.

It’s welcome news. I just wish the Dems had someone better than Terry. I mean at least he won’t be awful but I don’t think he’ll be as good as Warner and Kaine were. Maybe we were spoiled by them.

242 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:10:24am

Hello?! Is anybody out there? Can anyone hear me? Hello? Is anyone there?

[Sound of wind blowing.]

243 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:10:45am

re: #207 Targetpractice

Erick’s got a sad:

Erick Erickson Predicts ‘Real Third Party Movement’ To Divide GOP

Yeah Erick, great plan, divide the GOP and yield further ground to Democrats. Here, I’ll give you two words why that won’t happen: “Speaker Pelosi.”

Please do and when you inevitably fail, please finally admit that “true conservatism” is as oxymoronic as jumbo shrimp.

244 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:10:45am

re: #225 Targetpractice

Yeah, we know Cucci’s in deep shit because his response to the latest polls was to accuse PPP of cooking the numbers. When your only recourse in response to poor polling is accuse the people running the poll of dishonesty, you’re in a bad spot.

Of course, to nobody’s surprise, a large part of the reason is that there’s a libertarian running, who seems to be sucking up the bulk of Cucci’s deficit.

UNSKEW TEH POLLZ!!1!

245 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:11:10am

re: #242 Gus

Hello?! Is anybody out there? Can anyone hear me? Hello? Is anyone there?

[Sound of wind blowing.]

Huh???

246 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:11:48am

re: #242 Gus

Hello?! Is anybody out there? Can anyone hear me? Hello? Is anyone there?

[Sound of wind blowing.]

Image: cbfb6c3d-9f0d-49d4-be7b-e0da8fe487b8.jpg

247 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:12:14am

re: #225 Targetpractice

Yeah, we know Cucci’s in deep shit because his response to the latest polls was to accuse PPP of cooking the numbers. When your only recourse in response to poor polling is accuse the people running the poll of dishonesty, you’re in a bad spot.

Of course, to nobody’s surprise, a large part of the reason is that there’s a libertarian running, who seems to be sucking up the bulk of Cucci’s deficit.

Shades of “unskewed” polls. He’s an extremist plain and simple. And that’s why he will lose.

248 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:12:25am

re: #245 Varek Raith

Huh???

He’s just getting comfortably numb.

249 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:12:54am

re: #246 darthstar

Image: cbfb6c3d-9f0d-49d4-be7b-e0da8fe487b8.jpg

The 80s… still recovering from the 70s. :O

250 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:13:04am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

Please do and when you inevitably fail, please finally admit that “true conservatism” is as oxymoronic as jumbo shrimp.

Wouldn’t the first sign of a real 3rd party happening be Republican members of Congress say that they are no longer republicans but will caucus with the GOP? Who is going to be the first?

251 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:13:18am

re: #249 Gus

The 80s… still recovering from the 70s. :O

You doing better?

252 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:13:22am

re: #248 darthstar

He’s just getting comfortably numb.

[Turns on oscilloscope.]

253 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:13:43am

Now the players are all wearing goggles and shit.

254 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:14:42am

Retweeted by Frum:

255 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:15:18am

re: #251 Varek Raith

You doing better?

I guess. Going to an eye doctor this afternoon for something else. Nothing terribly tragic. On day 26 of my boozeless life.

256 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:16:16am

No one could have predicted, etc. —

257 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:16:30am

re: #250 b.d.

Wouldn’t the first sign of a real 3rd party happening be Republican members of Congress say that they are no longer republicans but will caucus with the GOP? Who is going to be the first?

You’d think so.

258 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:17:44am


That’s a nice car. Wouldn’t want anything bad to happen to it…

259 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:18:13am
260 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:18:17am

re: #256 Lidane

No one could have predicted, etc. —

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Proof that you can be a Johns Hopkins trained neurosurgeon and still dumb as a pile of rocks when it comes to politics. With all due respect to Dr. Carson, this is NOT socialism, this is what the heritage Foundation supported in the 90’s and what Mitt Romney implemented in Massachusetts.

261 Interesting Times  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:18:50am

re: #237 Targetpractice

Might be rising on news that the GOP leadership’s considering a short-term CR/debt ceiling bill in exchange for talks. The same bill that has Erick and the rest of the howler monkeys of the far-right going nuts.

Bloomberg is reporting this too:

U.S. Stocks Surge as Lawmakers Move to End Debt Impasse

Benchmark equity indexes surged as House Republican leaders embraced a possible short-term deal to avoid default. The lawmakers will this morning present to members a proposal for a six-week debt-limit increase that will not include other policy demands, a congressional aide familiar with the matter told Bloomberg News.

But as Kragar often says, trusting the GOP at this point isn’t “optimism”, it’s weapons-grade stupidity.

262 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:18:59am

re: #244 Dr Lizardo

UNSKEW TEH POLLZ!!1!

Oddly, one of the polls showed that Cuccinelli did slightly worse in a 2-way race. Where the hell is Nate Silver when you need him?

263 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:19:41am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Proof that you can be a Johns Hopkins trained neurosurgeon and still dumb as a pile of rocks when it comes to politics. With all due respect to Dr. Carson, this is NOT socialism, this is what the heritage Foundation supported in the 90’s and what Mitt Romney implemented in Massachusetts.

Asking Ben Carson for his political opinion is like asking Mozart for financial planning advice.

264 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:20:40am

re: #259 Lidane

Boehner’s schedule:
9am: Bloody Mary breakfast meeting
10am: Slur at reporters
11am-1pm: multi-Martini lunch
2pm: slur at Fox News and/or CNN
5pm: Happy hour - go cry in a bottle.

265 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:20:56am

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

Asking Ben Carson for his political opinion is like asking Mozart for financial management advice.

Right. Just because someone is a renowned expert in one field doesn’t mean they know all.

266 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:20:59am

And now Boehner is floating a short term debt ceiling extension. Can’t imagine why he’d do that? Oh wait, crappy polling, and blaming the GOP for the shutdown.

He must figure that he’d get the Democrats to go along with the debt ceiling extension ahead of the shutdown, hoping to get time and concessions from the Democrats.

Democrats may do this to lock in the debt ceiling, at least temporarily, but that’s a dangerous position to take since it takes pressure off the GOP to actually resolve the budget and debt ceiling.

We’ll be right back at the debt ceiling within whatever time frame is actually agreed upon, and the shutdown will continue as the GOP attempts to blame it all on Democrats and the President even though the Speaker clearly stated it was because of the GOP reneging on a deal in July to pass a budget that cut spending $70b over what the Senate was proposing, but which had no reference to the ACA.

267 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:21:08am

re: #261 Interesting Times

Bloomberg is reporting this too:

U.S. Stocks Surge as Lawmakers Move to End Debt Impasse

But as Kragar often says, trusting the GOP at this point isn’t “optimism”, it’s weapons-grade stupidity.

I’m willing to be mildly optimistic, at least until the bill is released and I’m left to once again facepalm. There’s the possibility, however remote, that sanity might break out in the GOP’s upper ranks.

268 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:21:34am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Heritage is just a bunch of socialists.
/

269 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:21:59am

re: #268 darthstar

Heritage is just a bunch of socialists.
/

Adolph Coors, total commie.

270 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:22:01am

Guess what Bro: NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.

271 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:22:53am

re: #270 Vicious Babushka

Guess what Bro: NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.

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I guess Glenn’s never heard of the Alien and Sedition Acts. UNPRECEDENTED! my ass.

272 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:23:34am

re: #261 Interesting Times

Bloomberg is reporting this too:

U.S. Stocks Surge as Lawmakers Move to End Debt Impasse

But as Kragar often says, trusting the GOP at this point isn’t “optimism”, it’s weapons-grade stupidity.

The lawmakers will this morning present to members a proposal for a six-week debt-limit increase that will not include other policy demands, a congressional aide familiar with the matter told Bloomberg News.
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

Six weeks is wonderful. Just in time to jack up the Christmas retail numbers.

273 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:23:35am

re: #270 Vicious Babushka

Has the GG figured out that South Park insulted him and Snowden yet?

274 chadu  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:24:13am

re: #125 darthstar

I’m tired of zombie flicks…we need more vampire different monster flicks.

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FTFY

275 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:24:52am
276 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:24:53am

re: #273 Lidane

Has the GG figured out that South Park insulted him and Snowden yet?

He hasn’t left the magical mirror yet to watch it on his DVR. “Who is the fairest journalist of them all?”

277 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:25:08am

re: #272 Decatur Deb

Six weeks is wonderful. Just in time to jack up the Christmas retail numbers.

Could someone please remind these assholes that the original clean CR was for six weeks?

278 BongCrodny  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:25:26am

re: #262 Decatur Deb

Oddly, one of the polls showed that Cuccinelli did slightly worse in a 2-way race. Where the hell is Nate Silver when you need him?

I read a story which suggested that the Libertarian candidate was drawing support equally from Cuccinelli and McAuliffe.

Any Democrat who would vote for a Libertarian candidate when that will do nothing but help Cuccinelli is a nitwit.

279 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:25:27am

re: #266 lawhawk

And now Boehner is floating a short term debt ceiling extension. Can’t imagine why he’d do that? Oh wait, crappy polling, and blaming the GOP for the shutdown.

He must figure that he’d get the Democrats to go along with the debt ceiling extension ahead of the shutdown, hoping to get time and concessions from the Democrats.

Democrats may do this to lock in the debt ceiling, at least temporarily, but that’s a dangerous position to take since it takes pressure off the GOP to actually resolve the budget and debt ceiling.

We’ll be right back at the debt ceiling within whatever time frame is actually agreed upon, and the shutdown will continue as the GOP attempts to blame it all on Democrats and the President even though the Speaker clearly stated it was because of the GOP reneging on a deal in July to pass a budget that cut spending $70b over what the Senate was proposing, but which had no reference to the ACA.

I’d heard a combined CR/debt ceiling bill, getting things running again to say “Alright, now let’s have those talks.” If it’s just a debt ceiling increase, then they’re stalling for time and the White House is gonna tell them “No dice.”

280 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:25:37am

re: #273 Lidane

Has the GG figured out that South Park insulted him and Snowden yet?

He’s pissed that South Park gave Assange his own cartoon but Glenn was played by Cartman.

281 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:25:48am

re: #270 Vicious Babushka

Greenwald’s the Casey Anthony of reporting - everyone else has moved on.

282 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:26:58am

re: #278 BongCrodny

I read a story which suggested that the Libertarian candidate was drawing support equally from Cuccinelli and McAuliffe.

Any Democrat who would vote for a Libertarian candidate when that will do nothing but help Cuccinelli is a nitwit.

I agree but I can see why many Democrats don’t like McAuliffe. Hell I don’t like the guy. I even liked Deeds despite the fact he was a shitty campaigner.

283 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:27:30am
284 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:27:30am

And here are the people who don’t know, and don’t care (but will vote for TP extortionists):

People who think that Obamacare is the sign of the coming of the Apocalypse.

285 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:27:53am

Speaking of South Park, that was a good episode last night. They really spoofed the paranoia the wingnuts had about “black rage” following the Martin verdict and how Stand Your Ground is crap.

286 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:29:02am

re: #281 darthstar

Greenwald’s the Casey Anthony of reporting - everyone else has moved on.

Yep, Glenn is that guy still screaming about the mercury in those newfangled twisty lightbulbs.

287 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:29:04am

re: #284 lawhawk

And here are the people who don’t know, and don’t care (but will vote for TP extortionists):

People who think that Obamacare is the sign of the coming of the Apocalypse.

The same people thought the same about Syria. They’re legitimately insane.

288 kirkspencer  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:29:22am

re: #270 Vicious Babushka

Guess what Bro: NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.

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Actually some of us do.

Sorry, VB, but I think in this case you’re ignoring the message because of the messenger. Or more accurately, because of who told you the message, since GG isn’t the author of it.

The article itself is interesting and raises several valid points.

289 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:29:34am

THE WORST THING ABOUT THE DEBT CEILING CRISIS IS THAT IT SPOILS MY ENJOYMENT OF HALLOWEEN!!!!1!!!

290 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:29:55am

THE BAGGERS SHALL RISE AGAIN!1!

291 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:31:11am
292 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:31:42am

re: #291 Lidane

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They created this monster and now the monster wants nothing to do with them.

293 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:32:21am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

THE WORST THING ABOUT THE DEBT CEILING CRISIS IS THAT IT SPOILS MY ENJOYMENT OF HALLOWEEN!!!!1!!!

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[dudebro] It’s the Great Pumpkin Grand Bargain, Charlie Borwn. [/dudebro]

I swear that I am not going to waste another Halloween watching CSPAN waiting for the Grand Bargain to appear.

294 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:33:56am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

Budget is supposed to be in place by October 1. That’s the deadline that the GOP blew past when they initiated the shutdown. The debt ceiling is tied to the spending and appropriations process, and the Treasury Department has already done what it can to extend the time before the ceiling is hit.

Any deal that doesn’t work for the full fiscal year will necessarily result in the nation being right back in this position in just a few weeks’ time because the GOP will be back at demanding the same thing they’ve been agitating for since 2009 - the repeal of the ACA.

295 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:36:31am

Tea-Party Earl Grey. Drink it and think you’re an aristocrat!
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296 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:37:17am

re: #294 lawhawk

Budget is supposed to be in place by October 1. That’s the deadline that the GOP blew past when they initiated the shutdown. The debt ceiling is tied to the spending and appropriations process, and the Treasury Department has already done what it can to extend the time before the ceiling is hit.

Any deal that doesn’t work for the full fiscal year will necessarily result in the nation being right back in this position in just a few weeks’ time because the GOP will be back at demanding the same thing they’ve been agitating for since 2009 - the repeal of the ACA.

Hopefully, the GOP leadership can use some part of that six weeks to pound into the insanely dense skulls of the TP’ers that ACA repeal/defund is simply not going to happen. It would buy them a little breathing room so they try to knock some sense into the heads of the base.

Mind you, I’m not saying they’ll actually succeed in doing so, but…….hope springs eternal.

297 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:38:04am

House GOP’s plan now seems to be to keep the shutdown that’s destroying their poll numbers rolling while agreeing to a six-week debt ceiling increase sans policy demands.

Oy fuckin’ vey.

298 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:38:10am

Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich says what?

299 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:39:21am

re: #297 Targetpractice

House GOP’s plan now seems to be to keep the shutdown that’s destroying their poll numbers rolling while agreeing to a six-week debt ceiling increase sans policy demands.

Oy fuckin’ vey.

Shorter GOP: “We need a bit longer to decide which hostage to shoot next.”

300 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:41:02am

re: #298 Lidane

Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich says what?

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Only Charles Sumner was more progressive than Rand Paul and all due respect to Senator Sumner, that’s pretty sad.

301 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:41:08am

re: #299 Lidane

Shorter GOP: “We need a bit longer to decide which hostage to shoot next.”

It’s a sop to their business buddies, who are starting to get nervous. Not that it will do much to ease their minds, as federal payday is the 15th and when that comes and goes without any end to the shutdown, the market’s gonna take a hit.

302 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:42:10am

Glenn Beck is funny though. He’s always projecting himself or his heroes on to famous progressives, yes progressives throughout history whether it’s MLK or now Sumner. He doesn’t know it but he’s basically admitting the failure of conservatism to produce true visionaries like Sumner or MLK and I thank him for that.

303 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:43:44am

I should note that reports from the closed doors meeting of the GOP caucus as the leadership rolls out this plan is…dead silence. This is not the GOP who was cheering and shaking hands when the leadership rolled out their “delay” bill over a week ago.

304 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:43:52am

re: #301 Targetpractice

It’s a sop to their business buddies, who are starting to get nervous. Not that it will do much to ease their minds, as federal payday is the 15th and when that comes and goes without any end to the shutdown, the market’s gonna take a hit.

If I were President, I’d simply say, “No” and then follow up with, “Clean CR, clean debt ceiling extension, end of f***ing story.”

Then let the GOP twist for a bit. By Tuesday or Wednesday night next week, they’ll capitulate.

305 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:45:08am

re: #304 Dr Lizardo

If I were President, I’d simply say, “No” and then follow up with, “Clean CR, clean debt ceiling extension, end of f***ing story.”

Then let the GOP twist for a bit. By Tuesday or Wednesday night next week, they’ll capitulate.

Probably won’t even get that far. When Pelosi sees this bill and gets Boehner telling her he needs her help getting it through the House, she’s going to laugh in his face.

306 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:46:23am

We’re only a few weeks from Christmas changeover and hiring. For a business-friendly party, the TPGOP rather sucks. How ‘bout Black Friday, Sat, Sun, Mon, Tue…..

307 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:46:24am

re: #298 Lidane

Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich says what?

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There he is in costume again.

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308 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:47:25am
309 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:48:43am

re: #299 Lidane

Mr. Takagi will not be joining us for the rest of his life.

310 Aqua Obama  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:49:24am

This should be a deal-breaker:

Under the [Debt Limit CR] plan, the Treasury Department wouldn’t be able to use so-called extraordinary measures to further extend borrowing authority, creating a hard six-week limit, said two aides requesting anonymity to discuss the proposal.

311 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:50:02am
312 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:50:57am

re: #298 Lidane

What an insult to the memory of Charles Sumner.

313 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:51:23am

re: #298 Lidane

Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich says what?

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I initially misread that as:

davidfrum @davidfrum

Glenn Beck: Rand Paul is the Charles Schumer of our time.

314 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:51:38am

re: #310 Carlos Danger

This should be a deal-breaker:

Under the [Debt Limit CR] plan, the Treasury Department wouldn’t be able to use so-called extraordinary measures to further extend borrowing authority, creating a hard six-week limit, said two aides requesting anonymity to discuss the proposal.

Yep; that’s a deal-breaker, or rather, it should be.

315 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:53:57am

re: #310 Carlos Danger

This should be a deal-breaker:

Under the [Debt Limit CR] plan, the Treasury Department wouldn’t be able to use so-called extraordinary measures to further extend borrowing authority, creating a hard six-week limit, said two aides requesting anonymity to discuss the proposal.

Yeah, this is gonna be another “Plan B.” Boehner’s gonna find the TPers totally unwilling to entertain a short reprieve for the debt ceiling hostage in exchange for no ACA “concessions,” while House Dems will laugh their asses off.

316 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:54:25am

re: #303 Targetpractice

I should note that reports from the closed doors meeting of the GOP caucus as the leadership rolls out this plan is…dead silence. This is not the GOP who was cheering and shaking hands when the leadership rolled out their “delay” bill over a week ago.

There’s probably a lot going on in the background. I’m thinking the CoC’s promise to swing funding away from TP candidates has a lot to do with it.

Big Money has given them all a firm talking-to, and they’re way more scared of losing their bank than they are of Obama at this point.

317 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:55:37am

re: #310 Carlos Danger

This should be a deal-breaker:

Under the [Debt Limit CR] plan, the Treasury Department wouldn’t be able to use so-called extraordinary measures to further extend borrowing authority, creating a hard six-week limit, said two aides requesting anonymity to discuss the proposal.

Oh you mean Treasury can’t do what has been keeping us out of default for the last six months or so?

LOL NOPE

318 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:57:31am

They seem to still not believe that when Obama said months ago that he was done negotiating about the debt ceiling he actually meant it.

319 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:57:59am

re: #311 Gus

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He’s as much a misogynistic, ageist, libertarian asshole as GG is.

320 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:58:22am
321 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:59:01am

re: #310 Carlos Danger

This should be a deal-breaker:

Under the [Debt Limit CR] plan, the Treasury Department wouldn’t be able to use so-called extraordinary measures to further extend borrowing authority, creating a hard six-week limit, said two aides requesting anonymity to discuss the proposal.

As we’ve already seen, the GOP uses mechanisms that are meant to induce the parties to compromise as a battering ram to advance their agenda.

Instead of compromising to reach a comprehensive deal on spending curbs, they opted to go with the sequester despite the damage to the economy by not identifying specific programs worthy of cuts and instead going with across-the-board cuts.

The shutdown is supposed to have dire consequences, but the GOP is now looking at piecemeal CRs to fund the parts it likes.

The debt ceiling is supposed to be the LOIC world code - trip it, and it nukes the global economy. Instead, the GOP ignores the peril, and thinks that this is leverage for use in extorting their demands.

Any deal that doesn’t go for a significant period, or which includes this kind of language will impose similar terms, that the GOP will later use to exploit as leverage for further concessions from Democrats - and not as legitimate means to discuss policy.

322 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:03:02am

I’m not exactly sure what the thinking is on the GOP “leadership’s” part in keeping the shutdown going while raising the debt ceiling temporarily. Do they believe that voters will somehow sign onto the idea that the government should remain closed until some committee yet to be named has worked out a long-term deal? Or are they still deluded enough to believe that they possess leverage there and can use it to extract ACA concessions?

323 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:04:09am

Krugman warns that the economic fallout from the debt ceiling is far worse than anyone is willing to consider. It would absolutely precipitate a crisis worse than the one in 2007-2009, and it’s wholly self-inflicted by the GOP.

At the same time - wholly avoidable, which is why the rest of the world wonders why the GOP thinks this is a strategy for success.

324 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:04:27am

This is so cynical; they’re trying to push their death threats on the economy back to the time around Thanksgiving, when they think the media won’t be paying attention.

325 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:04:43am

lolwut?
At least he’s not bringing back Ted Nugent.

326 Aqua Obama  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:05:15am

From Huff Post’s White House correspondent:

327 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:05:45am

re: #324 Internet Tough Guy

This is so cynical; they’re trying to push their death threats on the economy back to the time around Thanksgiving, when they think the media won’t be paying attention.

BLACK FRIDAY SALES WORST EVER IN HISTORY!!!11!!!!
HURR HURR OBAMAZ FAULT!!!11!!!!!

OBAMA SO NOT WINNING TEH 2016 ELECTION HURR HURR!!!!!11111

328 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:06:38am
329 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:07:58am
330 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:08:07am

re: #328 Lidane

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Stalin’s mustache says what.

331 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:08:17am

re: #325 Vicious Babushka

lolwut?
At least he’s not bringing back Ted Nugent.

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Are we having a surprise State of the Union Address coming up soon that I don’t know about?

332 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:08:49am

re: #329 Targetpractice

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*slaps past self* PIYF!

333 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:09:05am

re: #322 Targetpractice

A GOP alternative to this madness, and one that Democrats might actually hop on board?

If the country can’t pass a budget on time, the budget for the following year is automatically cut by .5 points across the board and the debt ceiling is increased to match necessary levels to keep government functioning.

It might actually spur long term spending reductions the GOP is seeking without the craziness we’re seeing. And it could allow Congress the opportunity to review spending priorities without the shutdown threat or fiscal cliff disaster the GOP has brought.

It’s a hell of a lot more reasonable than what the GOP is doing now, and they’d actually get a huge concession from Democrats if they go along with the spending cut portion (and the parties could bargain on just how big the cut is - 1 point to 0.1 points lower across the board).

But since this is the GOP we’re talking about, reasonableness isn’t part of the picture, and they’ll be focused like a laser beam on destroying Obama and Obamacare.

334 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:09:56am

re: #331 b.d.

Are we having a surprise State of the Union Address coming up soon that I don’t know about?

Just planning ahead.

335 bubba zanetti  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:10:09am

re: #325 Vicious Babushka

So someone bought themselves an extra insurance policy under a fake name? Knock yourself out, dude.

336 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:11:06am

That was quick:

337 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:11:53am

re: #328 Lidane

WND’s Joseph Farah says Obama may stop Americans from seeing their doctor during future shutdowns

Well, there’s your problem, right there. Guys like Farah (and no doubt RWNJ Congressmen) now see shutdowns as just another procedural gimmick to influence government.

That’s gotta change. No more government by temper tantrum.

338 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:12:25am

re: #336 Targetpractice

That was quick:

Steve Stockman’s intern:

HURR HURR DEMOCRATZ REFUSE TO VOTE ON WHICH KITTEH TO NOT DROWN!!!11!!!!!

339 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:13:20am


GOP success. Engage in pointless strategy that sabotages entire economy and potentially brings about crisis worse than the debt/fiscal crisis on global scale and then realize that it actually is worse than they thought it’d be but don’t have the votes to do anything on anything unless he drops the whole charade and lets the Democrats bail him out.

340 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:13:50am

re: #336 Targetpractice

What part of “Reopen the government and raise the debt limit THEN we’ll talk” do these idiots not understand?

The WH position is pretty clear. Boehner needs to let go of the idiotic Hastert Rule that even Hastert said was bullshit. Approach the Dems and beg for their help to avoid default and to pass a clean CR and tell the teabaggers to go fuck themselves.

341 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:14:01am

re: #337 makeitstop

Well, there’s your problem, right there. Guys like Farah (and no doubt RWNJ Congressmen) now see shutdowns as just another procedural gimmick to influence government.

That’s gotta change. No more government by temper tantrum.

RWNJs like Farah actually believe the meme that OBAMA & HARRY REID & TEH DEMOCRATZ!!!!!!! caused the shutdown and GOP is desperately trying to end the shutdown.

342 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:14:26am

re: #335 bubba zanetti

So someone bought themselves an extra insurance policy under a fake name? Knock yourself out, dude.

It’s like the idiots who drive in circles on Earth Day and call Rush Limbaugh to brag about it. Hey man, go ahead and spend $60 on gas because you think, somewhere, somehow, a hippie gets annoyed by this. You know what they say about a fool and his money….

343 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:14:44am

re: #336 Targetpractice

That was quick:

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GOOD.

344 The Mountain That Blogs  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:15:28am

re: #329 Targetpractice

Define “not having the votes”. Because if he put it out that he wanted the votes, there is no friggin way he wouldn’t cobble together 17 of them. But he’s not looking for 17, he’s looking for 117. Why does the Hastert Rule exist again?

345 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:15:44am

This seems to be the method behind the latest GOP madness:

Rep. Paul Ryan, chairman of the House Budget Committee, outlined a plan Wednesday to fellow conservatives to extend the nation’s borrowing limit for four to six weeks, paired with a framework for broader deficit-reduction talks, according to lawmakers briefed on the proposal. The greater the spending reduction the talks produced, the longer the next extension of the debt ceiling would be under Mr. Ryan’s plan.

“We’ll release the hostage, but for how long depends on how much money you give us!”

346 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:15:49am

re: #340 Lidane

What part of “Reopen the government and raise the debt limit THEN we’ll talk” do these idiots not understand?

The WH position is pretty clear. Boehner needs to let go of the idiotic Hastert Rule that even Hastert said was bullshit. Approach the Dems and beg for their help to avoid default and to pass a clean CR and tell the teabaggers to go fuck themselves.

This.

347 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:16:56am
348 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:18:17am

re: #347 Lidane

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Yeah, apparently the leadership’s trying to press “team” on this last blitz because if it fails, they have no cards left to play.

349 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:18:19am

Wow. Wingnuts still Tweeting the old, debunked meme that POTUS & Congress are “exempt” from ACA.

350 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:19:43am

re: #329 Targetpractice

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Bullshit. If he was a patriot, he would ignore the nonexistent Hastert rule and pass it with Dem votes + moderate/mildly mentally unstable GOP.

However, he values his Speakership more than his country, so that isn’t happening.

351 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:20:52am
The hard thing for leadership, esp during open mic now, is that a large # of Rs are simply unhappy w/ anything that’s not a BIG WIN

DOUBLE DOWN ONE MORE TIME AND WE CAN BREAK EVEN DAWG

352 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:21:06am

rightwingwatch.org
The people who doubt Obama’s legitimacy as an American are complaining about what.Tough shit assholes.

353 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:21:08am

What’s wrong with this sign aside from the fact that it’s batshit crazy?

354 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:21:40am
355 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:22:48am

re: #353 Lidane

What’s wrong with this sign aside from the fact that it’s batshit crazy?

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They think MI is the state code for MS

I HATE THAT MS CRAP!!!! WHAT’S WRONG WITH MRS. OR MISS????

356 piratedan  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:23:13am

re: #350 Internet Tough Guy

and considering what a circus the GOP currently is, who does John of Orange fear would succeed him as Speaker, really? who else would want that job if the GOP is truly fractionalized as claimed? Cantor, from backstabbing Brutus to having to be in the spotlight, all the time, he doesn’t strike me as being that kind of stupid… Goihmert? Foxx? Neugebauer? Issa?

357 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:23:39am

re: #353 Lidane

What’s wrong with this sign aside from the fact that it’s batshit crazy?

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Yeah I don’t think Michigan (MI) will join them but Mississippi (MS) might.

358 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:24:00am

re: #355 Vicious Babushka

They think MI is the state code for MS

I HATE THAT MS CRAP!!!! WHAT’S WRONG WITH MRS. OR MISS????

9 seconds and by the Michigander no less.

359 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:25:28am

The most hilarious thing that could come from this would be for Boehner to actually lose his speaker because his party will have lost its majority in the House. And then the Tea nuts blame Boehner for that loss anyhow and he’s deposed as party leader anyhow.

360 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:25:38am
361 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:25:39am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t think Michigan (MI) will join them but Mississippi (MS) might.

Rick Snyder is a RWNJ but not even he is that batshit crazy.

But the Yoopers might want to secede and join Canada,

362 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:26:33am

re: #353 Lidane

Even the billboards contain the same laughable errors as the hand-held signs.

In their own words, they really need to “get a brain, morans”.

363 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:28:06am

re: #360 Targetpractice

This is news, that the GOP is split?

Well, we can keep the Civil War allusions going. The Democrats split hopelessly into two factions for the election of 1860, setting up Lincoln’s landslide win. Obama just has to mop the floor with the hopelessly split GOP this time.

364 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:28:11am

re: #353 Lidane

They probably wanted to include Mississippi, but were too idiotic to know the postal is MS, and not MI, the code for Michigan.

365 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:29:15am

The funny part about secession at its core is you’re always going to have one thing dominate another. The CSA was a flawed idea from its inception because while the CSA on paper claimed to be about states rights, Jefferson Davis had no problem with Richmond making centralized decisions and some of the more true diehard states righters resented that. Some things I concede are best done locally. Other things, sorry but you do want a centralized authority doing it. Maybe this isn’t a set ideology but acknowledging the nuances of modern society sure as hell beats states rights!

366 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:29:48am

re: #360 Targetpractice

per sources, growing uneasiness inside room, House GOP seems split…

Good. The ‘divide’ part is done, time to do the ‘conquer’ bit.

Keep the boot on their necks, Mr. President.

367 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:29:58am

Keep in mind that Boehner’s supposed to be giving a press conference after this meeting. My guess is he expected to go to them with confidence, saying the GOP’s ready to cram this bill through and dare Obama not to pass it. Instead, he’s probably going to be covered in flop sweat as he says the GOP’s prepared to consider a six-week increase, but only if Obama agrees to use the time to talk about a long-term deal.

368 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:30:58am
369 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:31:05am

re: #364 lawhawk

They probably wanted to include Mississippi, but were too idiotic to know the postal is MS, and not MI, the code for Michigan.

The stupid thing is that they had enough money to put up a billboard, but couldn’t do a Google search for state abbreviations.

I am amused by this, despite the very real batshit crazy going on. Something about a fool and his money comes to mind.

370 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:31:38am

How much do you want to bet that Keystone XL is attached to this?

371 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:32:05am
372 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:33:01am

re: #370 Internet Tough Guy

How much do you want to bet that Keystone XL is attached to this?

Anything less than a clean CR and clean debt hike is a non-starter for the Senate and the WH.

Boehner pretty much has to ditch the Hastert rule and beg the Dems for help. It’s the only way out of this mess. His own caucus doesn’t trust him enough and they care more about sticking it to POTUS than governing.

373 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:33:16am

re: #371 Targetpractice

And they’re using the knife to play with power sockets while threatening everyone:

374 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:33:37am

Bryan haz a sad that there will be no debt default

375 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:33:52am

re: #369 Lidane

The stupid thing is that they had enough money to put up a billboard, but couldn’t do a Google search for state abbreviations.

I am amused by this, despite the very real batshit crazy going on. Something about a fool and his money comes to mind.

Yeah you’d think if you were investing in a sign like that. You’d you know check stuff like that. I

376 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:33:58am

Well, this was all for nothing:

377 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:34:33am

re: #374 Vicious Babushka

Bryan haz a sad that there will be no debt default

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So Bryan are you going to leave the GOP like you threatened to when they nominated the heathen or are you going to continue to be an apologist for them?

378 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:34:51am

re: #376 Lidane

Well, this was all for nothing:

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He seems to think that’s what will entice the TPers, that they can keep the shutdown in the vain hope of extracting concessions, but only if they allow him to put off default for six weeks.

379 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:35:12am

re: #374 Vicious Babushka

Bryan haz a sad that there will be no debt default

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The fact that the insanity caucus is in tears brightens my day. The GOP’s kamikaze attack failed. The kamikaze airplane not only failed to sink the aircraft carrier, it never even got near the fleet before being shot down and crashing into the sea.

380 jaunte  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:35:22am
381 jaunte  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:36:04am
382 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:36:09am

re: #379 Ian G.

The fact that the insanity caucus is in tears brightens my day. The GOP’s kamikaze attack failed. The kamikaze airplane not only failed to sink the aircraft carrier, it never even got near the fleet before being shot down and crashing into the sea.

That’s why they call them “baka bombs.”

383 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:36:24am
384 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:38:20am


Yegods.

385 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:38:45am

Either Boehner ditches the Hastert rule and begs for help from the Dems or we’re fucked:

386 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:39:58am

So this is what it’s like to watch a political party commit suicide.

387 jaunte  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:40:14am
388 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:40:21am
389 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:40:58am
390 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:43:04am

re: #386 Targetpractice

To the sound of applause from the GOP caucus no less.

The GOP cannot govern. Plain and simple. They want what they want, or else. That’s not governance. That’s not politics. It’s a tamper tantrum, and the outcome is an economy that suffers, the global markets will take a hit, and everyone will get hurt.

All because the GOP can’t accept, let alone tolerate the expansion of access of health insurance to millions of people who can’t get it under the old system.

391 piratedan  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:43:46am

at what point does the Tea Party Caucus assemble on the National Mall and dance around the burning bonfire of a hardcopy rendering of the ACA in their skivvies as they have their Lord of the Flies moment, I would guess that there would be face paint and staplers involved as well….

392 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:44:56am

re: #388 Gus

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But but the French are all commies. Okay more seriously, that’s not good. So help the world if one of Europe’s biggest nations is run by a Le-Pen.

393 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:45:31am
394 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:45:58am
395 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:46:21am
396 jaunte  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:48:02am
397 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:48:50am

re: #386 Targetpractice

So this is what it’s like to watch a political party commit suicide.

Amazing isn’t it?

All Boehner has to do is swallow his pride and kill the Hastert rule to end this farce, but he won’t.

398 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:48:54am

re: #394 lawhawk

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I really think it’s ego with them, Boehner can’t stand the fact that Obama is the legitimately twice elected president of the US. He really thought he’d be working with Romney this time last year and that they’d cut taxes, repeal ACA, and ride unicorns into the rainbow together.

399 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:50:52am

re: #398 HappyWarrior

I really think it’s ego with them, Boehner can’t stand the fact that Obama is the legitimately twice elected president of the US. He really thought he’d be working with Romney this time last year and that they’d cut taxes, repeal ACA, and ride unicorns into the rainbow together.

The #1 peril of living in an info bubble. They had themselves convinced that Obama would cave, but instead he’s shown levels of resolve I didn’t know he had.

Like the man says, ‘Never get high on your own supply.’

400 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:54:30am

re: #388 Gus

24% is close to 27%, probably within the margin of error. I wonder if the crazification factor is something that holds across all developed countries?

401 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:54:44am
402 Interesting Times  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:54:51am

re: #399 makeitstop

The #1 peril of living in an info bubble. They had themselves convinced that Obama would cave, but instead he’s shown levels of resolve I didn’t know he had.

Like the man says, ‘Never get high on your own supply.’

If I were to compare the TPGOP to a drug, it would be this one: Krokodil

403 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:55:56am

re: #399 makeitstop

The #1 peril of living in an info bubble. They had themselves convinced that Obama would cave, but instead he’s shown levels of resolve I didn’t know he had.

Like the man says, ‘Never get high on your own supply.’

Except what fact or information ever let them think that Obama or the Senate would ever go along with an ACA repeal poison pill provision? 40+ attempts in the House were never passed by the Senate. There was never any indication that they would pass the Senate.

There was even less of a chance that the President would sign. And there was absolutely no sign that the veto could be overriden.

Zero chance of happening, and yet they thought this would work?

404 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:56:00am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

But but the French are all commies. Okay more seriously, that’s not good. So help the world if one of Europe’s biggest nations is run by a Le-Pen.

It’s just the European Parliament in Brussels, not the government of France.

405 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:56:23am

Geller is walking back her support for Robinson leaving the EDL and working with moderate Muslim groups like Quillliam.

As I noted in my initial declaration of support for Tommy’s leaving the EDL, there were many problematic elements within the EDL: antisemites, neo-Nazis, etc. There are also many patriotic lovers of freedom, and I hope they will be able to continue their struggle for human rights and the defense of England against Sharia and Islamization. While we supported Tommy’s distancing himself from the unsavory forces that were infiltrating the EDL, his association with the Quilliam Foundation is problematic in the extreme.
…
A deceptive group like this will be able to deceive Tommy Robinson, who is full of courage and committed to human rights is not well-versed in Islamic teaching, into thinking that Islam is a Religion of Peace and the jihadis are just a tiny minority of “extremists” — a word Tommy has been using a lot over the last few days.
….
These are the people Tommy Robinson has embraced. It was good to reject anti-Semitism, racism, fascism, etc. It is not good to capitulate to forces of jihad and Islamic supremacism. In boasting that they had “decapitated” the EDL, these “moderates” showed their true colors.

406 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:56:41am

re: #404 Dr Lizardo

It’s just the European Parliament in Brussels, not the government of France.

Oh okay. That’s a relief. Thanks. Still.

407 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:57:22am
408 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:57:28am

re: #399 makeitstop

The #1 peril of living in an info bubble. They had themselves convinced that Obama would cave, but instead he’s shown levels of resolve I didn’t know he had.’

Why should he cave? Obama has nothing to lose anymore. He’s been re-elected. He doesn’t have to put up with the GOP’s extortion tactics anymore.

409 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:59:06am

re: #400 Ian G.

24% is close to 27%, probably within the margin of error. I wonder if the crazification factor is something that holds across all developed countries?

This has a lot to do with the centrist parties just pursuing their corrupt business-as-usual policies and leading to a lot of protest votes.

410 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:59:29am

re: #405 Killgore Trout

Geller is walking back her support for Robinson leaving the EDL and working with moderate Muslim groups like Quillliam.

Why am I not surprised? For Pammy, any Muslim group, even a moderate one, is all part of the “conspiracy”.

Oh and I’m sure she’s quite the fiqh scholar as well, LOLOLOL

411 Flounder  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:59:48am

Am I the only one that avoids running over woolly-bear caterpillars? They look so cute, bodies undulating madly as they try to cross the road. Save the woollies!

412 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:59:53am

So we’ll get a few more weeks of the government shutdown then have to deal with more bluster about allowing a debt default while the GOP blunders around like a blind man searching for an exit. Negotiations aren’t going to go anywhere because, while the President is willing to make entitlement cuts he won’t do so unless revenue increases are included in the deal, which the GOP absolutely will not agree to.

413 blueraven  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:00:50am

re: #401 Gus

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Meh…government jobs. Who cares, right?

/// dripping

414 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:02:03am

re: #405 Killgore Trout

Geller is walking back her support for Robinson leaving the EDL and working with moderate Muslim groups like Quillliam.

So the white supremacist is too moderate for her. And not as ‘smart’ as she is.

415 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:03:43am

re: #411 Flounder

Am I the only one that avoids running over woolly-bear caterpillars? They look so cute, bodies undulating madly as they try to cross the road. Save the woollies!

It’s easier to dodge them when you’re on a bike, but it’s worse if you hit one.

416 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:05:05am

re: #410 Dr Lizardo

Why am I not surprised? For Pammy, any Muslim group, even a moderate one, is all part of the “conspiracy”.

Oh and I’m sure she’s quite the fiqh scholar as well, LOLOLOL

Yup. It’s not surprising. One of the key signs of extremism is not recognizing or acknowledging moderates on the other side. I’ve become wary of anyone who says “there are no moderates in Group X”, it’s usually a sign that the speaker has lost perspective and understanding of Group X.

417 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:05:33am

This DL extension seems to be Boehner’s 4am craps table final throw, the desperate gamble in the hopes he can at least leave with his dignity intact. But the White House will pan it, the Senate will either pan it as well or send it back amended, and the TPers who seem to be going along are doing so only because they’re being promised some big payoff on the budget that’s never going to come.

418 blueraven  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:05:50am

re: #411 Flounder

Am I the only one that avoids running over woolly-bear caterpillars? They look so cute, bodies undulating madly as they try to cross the road. Save the woollies!

Is that a metaphor for the TPGOP?

419 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:09:10am

re: #417 Targetpractice

This DL extension seems to be Boehner’s 4am craps table final throw, the desperate gamble in the hopes he can at least leave with his dignity intact. But the White House will pan it, the Senate will either pan it as well or send it back amended, and the TPers who seem to be going along are doing so only because they’re being promised some big payoff on the budget that’s never going to come.

And it still enshrines the DL as an incipient threat, an ‘or else we’ll default’.

420 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:09:23am

re: #418 blueraven

Is that a metaphor for the TPGOP?

I doubt it; they aren’t cute.

421 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:10:51am

re: #419 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

And it still enshrines the DL as an incipient threat, an ‘or else we’ll default’.

Yep. Binding the Treasury’s hands to a hard-set limit and making any further extension dependent on the size of spending cuts? We’ll be back here in six weeks, going through the same drama, only with added whimpering from Republicans that their demands were “reasonable.”

422 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:12:17am

re: #416 Killgore Trout

Yup. It’s not surprising. One of the key signs of extremism is not recognizing or acknowledging moderates on the other side. I’ve become wary of anyone who says “there are no moderates in Group X”, it’s usually a sign that the speaker has lost perspective and understanding of Group X.

That’s very true; it is, for me at least, one of the first warning signs of extremism in any group. There was a mosque one time - and one time only - in Berlin, and reading the sermon (subtitled in German on a projection screen), I just said to myself, “Oh crap” and left at the earliest moment.

It was pretty extreme, and being as I’m a Sufi, and in this sermon at least, they were calling us ‘devils’ ‘polytheists’, etc. as well as some less than nice things being said about non-Muslims in general, I just figured I’d taken a wrong turn at Alberquerque Manteuffelstrasse.

423 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:13:04am

It’s Thursday.
It’s Morning.
you?

424 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:14:13am

My teabagger congressman:

425 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:15:13am

re: #423 FemNaziBitch

It’s Thursday.
It’s Morning.
you?

Watching the last vestiges of John Boehner’s dignity go up in smoke.

426 kirkspencer  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:15:41am

If I’m reading the rumbling correctly, the only thing preventing the Republican split is the short-term loss of power. I think both sides are convinced they’d win the court battle for claim to party assets, but both sides know a formal split means the Democrats are the largest party and so get the speakership.

I think next year’s elections are going to be extremely interesting to watch.

427 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:15:56am

re: #425 Targetpractice

Watching the last vestiges of John Boehner’s dignity go up in smoke.

Don’t you have some paint drying that needs watching?

428 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:16:00am

Karl Rove, tool of the day:

429 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:16:35am

re: #424 wrenchwench

My teabagger congressman:

The reality of Obamacare is not pretty

The reality of 45 million uninsured Americans is not?

430 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:17:23am

re: #429 Sol Berdinowitz

The reality of 45 million uninsured Americans is not?

They look foward to the elimination of competition by natural consequences.

sick people = out of the game

431 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:17:42am

Another peek in the Madness of King Boehner:

432 kirkspencer  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:17:43am

re: #429 Sol Berdinowitz

The reality of 45 million uninsured Americans is not?

Well if they’d go back to where they belong there wouldn’t be a problem, would there?

433 blueraven  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:18:40am

re: #420 aagcobb

I doubt it; they aren’t cute.

True, unless you follow the thinking of so ugly they are cute.
So crazy, if they weren’t serious it would be laughable…

434 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:18:53am

re: #417 Targetpractice

This DL extension seems to be Boehner’s 4am craps table final throw, the desperate gamble in the hopes he can at least leave with his dignity intact. But the White House will pan it, the Senate will either pan it as well or send it back amended, and the TPers who seem to be going along are doing so only because they’re being promised some big payoff on the budget that’s never going to come.

It’s the 4am craps throw after you spent the last 40+ throws convinced you were on a winning streak while the house has taken your car, your house, your investments, and your life savings.

Boehner is a coward and an idiot. If he’d swallow his pride and go to the Dems and say, “You know what? My caucus is batshit crazy. Help me prevent total economic chaos.” this could all be resolved.

435 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:18:54am

re: #429 Sol Berdinowitz

The reality of 45 million uninsured Americans is not?

You read my mind:

436 blueraven  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:21:46am

re: #435 wrenchwench

You read my mind:

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The republican heathcare plan is called NOCARE4U

437 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:22:15am

Posted without comment:

438 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:22:42am

Good riddance nonetheless:

Auto-erotic asphyxiation possible in Castro death

CLEVELAND, OH -
Cleveland kidnapper Ariel Castro may have died from auto-erotic asphyxiation, not suicide, and two prison guards falsified logs documenting their observation of him in the hours before he died, the state said Thursday.

Castro’s pants and underwear were pulled down to his ankles when he was found, leading the state to forward those facts to the state highway patrol to consider the possibility of auto-erotic asphyxiation, according to the report from the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction.

wfla.com

439 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:24:12am

re: #438 Dr. Matt

Either way he still did everyone a favor.

440 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:24:18am

re: #436 blueraven

The republican heathcare plan is called NOCARE4U

Stolen immediately:


One letter capitalized out of undue respect.

441 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:24:22am

re: #434 Lidane

It’s the 4am craps throw after you spent the last 40+ throws convinced you were on a winning streak while the house has taken your car, your house, your investments, and your life savings.

Boehner is a coward and an idiot. If he’d swallow his pride and go to the Dems and say, “You know what? My caucus is batshit crazy. Help me prevent total economic chaos.” this could all be resolved.

It’s not so much convinced he’s on a winning streak as convinced that that streak is behind the next roll, that every gambler is guaranteed at least a little luck at the tables and he’s just gotta keep throwing until he hits it. Meanwhile his buddy who was sure with the first throws that big money was coming their way is now angrily telling him if he doesn’t at least break even then he’s walking home.

442 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:24:45am

re: #438 Dr. Matt

Good riddance nonetheless:

Exactly

two prison guards falsified logs documenting their observation of him in the hours before he died

Unfortunate that they did that, as now they are in serious trouble

443 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:25:10am

re: #439 Lidane

Either way he still did everyone a favor.

Not “everyone”

two prison guards falsified logs documenting their observation of him in the hours before he died

444 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:25:48am

re: #403 lawhawk

Zero chance of happening, and yet they thought this would work?

I’ll never understand it, LH - I have to conclude that it’s all just playing to the cheap seats of their wingnut base.

That alone wins them the slot of the most craven and cynical Congress in history, whether they realize it now or not.

445 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:25:50am
446 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:25:55am
447 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:26:30am

re: #437 Lidane

Posted without comment:

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I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Maybe Brewer will be primaried by a loon who will call for Manzanar-style detention camps for all Mexican-Americans and AZ will get a Democratic governor.

448 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:26:44am
449 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:28:08am

re: #443 sattv4u2

Not “everyone”

two prison guards falsified logs documenting their observation of him in the hours before he died

That’s their own damn stupidity. I still maintain that Castro offing himself is a good thing. He brought the nightmare to an end and gave final closure to his victims.

450 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:28:11am

Who made this app that lets you spit on something over the phone?

451 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:28:34am

The wingnut view on this latest ploy by Boehner seems to be split, with some like Erickson convinced they can still win big on the shutdown, while others are declaring this plan a “surrender” and damning anyone who votes for it.

452 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:28:41am

re: #437 Lidane

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This is the GOP’s achilles heel: states like Florida and AZ with a large elderly population are going to be annoyed if they see their governors being ideologues over health care.

453 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:28:58am

re: #448 Vicious Babushka

Steve could always take the screaming himself, except he’s too chickenshit.

Also, while I personally wouldn’t curse and scream at a Congressional intern, nobody is forcing them to aid and abet this sociopath with their work. They could quit, join the Peace Corp, and actually do some good for humanity.

454 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:30:09am

How can they continue to claim that the Shutdown is “Dems fault” but they brag about benefiting from it?

455 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:30:16am

re: #449 Lidane

That’s their own damn stupidity. I still maintain that Castro offing himself is a good thing. He brought the nightmare to an end and gave final closure to his victims.

I didn’t disagree

Hence the “EXACTLY” in #442

456 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:30:53am

re: #448 Vicious Babushka

Democrats now calling our office, screaming obscenities at our interns and spitting into their phones.

What the hell took them so long?

457 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:31:07am

re: #440 wrenchwench

Time For Solutions????

WTF?

They have no solutions.

458 piratedan  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:31:40am

re: #447 Ian G.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Maybe Brewer will be primaried by a loon who will call for Manzanar-style detention camps for all Mexican-Americans and AZ will get a Democratic governor.

that’s not unheard of, after all we had Napolitano in place until the administration pinched her. Brewer’s numbers going into the last election were unimpressive until they embraced the fear factor by promoting SB1070 and tapping into the whole “fear of the other” mantra. She’s been a real shit sandwich as a Governor but at least the crusts have been trimmed off as she has occasional moments of lucidity.

459 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:31:49am

re: #457 Bulworth

Time For Solutions????

WTF?

They have no solutions.

What? Locusts aren’t a solution?

460 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:31:51am

How sad is it that I watched the video and didn’t laugh, or even smile, once?

It seems my sense of humour has been furloughed.

461 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:32:14am

Please proceed teabaggers.

462 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:32:20am

re: #454 Vicious Babushka

463 Flying Squirrel Girl  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:32:22am

re: #454 Vicious BabushkaI can no longer lurk. So his position is that he has more facebook friends than ever since the shut down? Seriously?

464 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:32:56am

re: #457 Bulworth

Time For Solutions????

WTF?

They have no solutions.

This is Boehner’s “Hail Mary pass”. If this fails, he goes to Nancy Pelosi, suspends the ‘Hastert Rule’, votes on a clean CR and a clean debt-limit extension, in return, Pelosi and Democrats agree to support Boehner as Speaker of the House until the end of the Congress next year.

Endgame.

465 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:33:09am

re: #416 Killgore Trout

Yup. It’s not surprising. One of the key signs of extremism is not recognizing or acknowledging moderates on the other side. I’ve become wary of anyone who says “there are no moderates in Group X”, it’s usually a sign that the speaker has lost perspective and understanding of Group X.

Yeah, it’s not good to take a large group and make generalized statements that are meant to define everyone in that large group.

Take the Occupy movement for example. It seemed like there were a lot of generalizations made when some of the people in the group just wanted to make a political point.

466 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:34:57am

re: #458 piratedan

She’s been a real shit sandwich as a Governor but at least the crusts have been trimmed off

lol

467 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:35:57am

re: #465 ObserverArt

Yeah, it’s not good to take a large group and make generalized statements that are meant to define everyone in that large group.

Take the Occupy movement for example. It seemed like there were a lot of generalizations made when some of the people in the group just wanted to make a political point.

KT named and pointed out the specific groups that were harming the Occupy movement

468 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:36:54am

re: #467 sattv4u2

KT named and pointed out the specific groups that were harming the Occupy movement

No, he claimed that two women who were assaulted by the police were ‘Marxist trust-funders’. He said the only thing funnier than watching them get assaulted was watching it in slow motion. They were not, of course, Marxist trust-funders.

469 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:37:30am

Didn’t watch the House GOP presser, but have gotten the broad tones from others. Boehner and Ryan saying that this deal they’re proposing meets Obama “halfway” and seems to be contingent on him agreeing to talks. White House has already said it’s everything or nothing, so this was time well wasted.

470 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:38:29am

BTW, when does the Truck-Bagger traffic jam go down?

471 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:39:48am

re: #470 Dr. Matt

BTW, when does the Truck-Bagger traffic jam go down?

Oh boy, let’s shut down 95!
That’ll go over well.
Morans.

472 dog philosopher  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:40:02am

obamacare is just an excuse

the aim is to shut down the government permanently

they couldn’t get what they wanted constitutionally, and now they are trying to break the constitution

473 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:40:13am

re: #470 Dr. Matt

BTW, when does the Truck-Bagger traffic jam go down?

Agh I don’t wanna know. Of all the stupid things I’ve seen in the past few years, the Truckers for the Constitution just may take the prize.

474 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:40:21am

How often has this been fucking rehashed. Didn’t Pat get the memo?
Robertson Pushes Discredited Conspiracy Theory To Blame WHO Polio Experiment For AIDS

475 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:40:43am

Look who is challenging John Boehner in his own district:

476 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:41:13am

re: #471 Varek Raith

Oh boy, let’s shut down 95!
That’ll go over well.
Morans.

Hey a guy wearing a tie, he’s a congressman, arrest him! // Fucking idiots. And then you read that their spokesman or founder is an idiotic woman who thinks Osama and Obama are one and the same because they’re both left handed and “the same height” as if five inches means nothing these days.

477 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:42:01am

re: #474 FemNaziBitch

How often has this been fucking rehashed. Didn’t Pat get the memo?
Robertson Pushes Discredited Conspiracy Theory To Blame WHO Polio Experiment For AIDS

Pat don’t care. He’s a pathetic monster who would have felt right at home spreading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion if he had lived in early 20th century Russia.

478 kirkspencer  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:42:30am

re: #448 Vicious Babushka

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IF it’s happening (Sorry, Stockman, but when you lie so frequently about things I can check I’m not willing to trust you on the things I can’t),

sorry. IF the calls with screaming and spitting are happening then I’m going to wager few if any says they’re a Democrat. No, I suspect that if it’s true at all then it’s a case of one true Republican (tp), because if you’re not on board with it you’re not a Republican (tp).

479 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:42:33am
480 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:43:13am

re: #471 Varek Raith

Oh boy, let’s shut down 95!
That’ll go over well.
Morans.

And after they clog up what is already one of the busiest highways in America, they are heading to Disney to cause long lines at the rides.

481 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:43:26am
482 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:44:31am
483 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:44:50am

Koch Industries Pushes Back Against Harry Reid

484 blueraven  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:45:24am

re: #470 Dr. Matt

BTW, when does the Truck-Bagger traffic jam go down?

Tomorrow.

If they do tie up traffic, all they will do is piss off a lot of civilians who are already super pissed…mostly at republicans.

485 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:45:36am

The latest from Alex Jones:

BRING IT.

486 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:45:49am

re: #480 Dr. Matt

And after they clog up what is already one of the busiest highways in America, they are heading to Disney to cause long lines at the rides.

Too late,,, by about 57 years!!!

487 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:46:43am
488 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:48:44am

re: #484 blueraven

Tomorrow.

If they do tie up traffic, all they will do is piss off a lot of civilians who are already super pissed…mostly at republicans.

Tomorrow!? And the event is suppose to last three days? haha. So, they are going to ride around in circles, over the weekend, while DC is essentially closed down….hope they enjoy their circle jerk.

489 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:49:09am
490 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:49:10am

Sometimes when deciding whether to follow someone on twitter, I look at who else I follow that follows them.

Followed by Charles Johnson and APACHE Skateboards.

Those two, out of 371 folks I follow, make an interesting combo.

491 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:49:19am

re: #2 Targetpractice

Ted Yoho, yet another posterchild for the stupidity that has pervaded our politics in the wake of the “Tea Party Revolution.”

I always find myself wanting to call him ‘Ted Yahoo’, which I think finds him better than his actual last name.

492 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:49:22am

re: #485 Vicious Babushka

The latest from Alex Jones:

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BRING IT.

Once, when I was in a mildly sadistic mood because one of my classes had failed to do their homework - yet again - and offered up lame excuses, I made them listen to Alex Jones for 30 minutes.

To say they were shocked beyond belief is an understatement. I told them if they didn’t get their homework done next time, I’d make them listen to Glenn Beck, and he makes Alex Jones sound like Edward R. Murrow.

493 Lidane  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:49:42am
494 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:49:45am

re: #467 sattv4u2

KT named and pointed out the specific groups that were harming the Occupy movement

Yeah, but did he do it to make it seem like the whole OWS movement was a ridiculous exercise and a sham because of them? That is the point about generalization is it not? You know, judged by the company you keep. It was used by a lot of people about Obama too. Radicals, hippie teachers, angry black preachers…all used to ding one person.

495 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:49:54am

re: #485 Vicious Babushka

The latest from Alex Jones:

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BRING IT.

I have been pointing out to wingnuts that if the GOP forces a debt default, they are going to force the President to exercise his discretion, whether its to order the Treasury to continue to sell bonds, or to make decisions on what bills to pay.

496 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:50:19am

That “Sam Adams Award” looks too small for a six-pack.

497 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:51:27am

DERP

498 piratedan  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:52:32am

re: #497 Vicious Babushka

well we could always hope that Bryan gets to interact up close and personally with nature…..

499 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:52:35am

The Prudence/Greenwald convergence:

500 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:53:05am

re: #498 piratedan

well we could always hope that Bryan gets to interact up close and personally with nature…..

Especially a grizzly bear.

501 Interesting Times  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:53:11am

re: #491 Dark_Falcon

I always find myself wanting to call him ‘Ted Yahoo’, which I think finds him better than his actual last name.

Call him whatever you want - he and his comrades have boehner by the short and curlies, and they ain’t letting go.

502 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:53:29am

re: #497 Vicious Babushka

The epitome of whitepeopleproblems.

503 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:54:12am

re: #502 Internet Tough Guy

The epitome of whitepeopleproblems.

Because people are being turned away from national parks because of their race, right?

504 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:54:17am

bbl

505 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:55:14am

The teabaggers biggest concern about the closed government is museums and parks. This is conclusive proof that the GOP have no business being in political office.

506 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:55:22am

re: #503 Sol Berdinowitz

Because people are being turned away from national parks because of their race, right?

Heh.

“No dogs, No Whites, No Protestants”

*facepalm*

507 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:55:45am

re: #489 Vicious Babushka

Who the heck is issuing this particular “award’? Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence Award. Prior winners? Julian Assange? Check.

Sounds like a self-congratulatory slap on the back, and not an actual legitimate award.

Maybe it’s like the Who’s Who of Those Who Aid/Abet/Carry out Espionage Rising Stars.

508 kirkspencer  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:55:49am

re: #494 ObserverArt

Yeah, but did he do it to make it seem like the whole OWS movement was a ridiculous exercise and a sham because of them? That is the point about generalization is it not? You know, judged by the company you keep. It was used by a lot of people about Obama too. Radicals, hippie teachers, angry black preachers…all used to ding one person.

KT was also condemning OWS before he connected those groups to it. His initial argument boiled down to ‘agree with intent disagree with method as that method is harmful to [various: Democratic party, elections, budget, stated goals of OWS].

We all have these things about which we are unreasonable. For KT it’s OWS.

509 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:56:20am

re: #507 lawhawk

Who the heck is issuing this particular “award’? Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence Award. Prior winners? Julian Assange? Check.

Sounds like a self-congratulatory slap on the back, and not an actual legitimate award.

Maybe it’s like the Who’s Who of Those Who Aid/Abet/Carry out Espionage Rising Stars.

I thought it had something to do with beer.

510 dog philosopher  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:56:53am

i think the government will still be shut down at christmas, and we will be preoccupied with raising the debt limit every six weeks

no new business will be possible, and the only thing that will be funded is the military

as far as the baggers are concerned, it will be Mission Accomplished

511 jaunte  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:57:23am

re: #497 Vicious Babushka

“The new civil rights movement”

Forcing people with pre-existing conditions to sicken and die.

512 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:57:35am

re: #489 Vicious Babushka

Doesn’t look like a bottle of beer.

513 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:58:16am
514 piratedan  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:58:17am

re: #511 jaunte

“The new civil rights movement”

Forcing people with pre-existing conditions to sicken and die.

it’s our civil right to treat you like shit in order to feel better about ourselves

515 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:58:27am

re: #500 Vicious Babushka

Did someone remind Bryan that there are grizzly bears, polar bears, and black/brown bears at any number of national parks around the nation, including Yosemite and Yellowstone and Glacier? Yeah, me neither.

516 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:59:25am

Uh no Steve, that would be “failing to raise the debt ceiling” and “going into default” not “delaying Obamacare”

517 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:00:17am
519 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:01:32am

re: #503 Sol Berdinowitz

As we all know, Obamitler initiated this shutdown to serve the agenda the Nation of Islam, so by extension, yes, Bryan is being denied access to Yellowstone because of his race.

/Prudence

520 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:01:53am

re: #513 darthstar

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It’s always been that.

521 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:02:24am

re: #518 Varek Raith

Boehner Abruptly Changes Strategy Following Outcry From Koch Brothers And Heritage

Boehner ain’t nothing but a pawn.

522 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:04:47am

re: #517 Vicious Babushka

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You know, it occurred to me that if the RW’ers are defeated - again - by President Obama over this whole matter, they’re not going to be able to handle it.

First, he was elected in 2008; then re-elected in 2012; now in 2013, if the GOP is essentially forced to capitulate to President Obama regarding the CR and the debt-ceiling, the psychological trauma for them is going to be immense.

I’m pretty sure they’ll default to their standard coping mechanisms; doubling-down and projection on a heretofore unprecedented scale.

523 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:05:05am

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524 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:05:14am

re: #461 Vicious Babushka

Please proceed teabaggers.

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525 Semper Fi  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:05:42am

re: #439 Lidane

Either way he still did everyone a favor.

For my part, I’d prefer he lived every day of his sentence as a prisoner. Justice was cheated in my opinion.

526 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:05:59am

Steve Stockman just subtweeted a stalker.

No I’m not embedding it here.

527 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:06:55am
528 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:07:41am

re: #527 darthstar

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But isn’t the shutdown wonderful.//

529 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:08:39am

So, as I understand the GOP’s position, they are willing to grant one hostage a six-week reprieve so that Democrats can “negotiate” the terms of the release of both, with the understanding that if there’s no deal in six weeks, they’re still gonna blow his head off.

530 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:09:00am

Embarrassingly, he actually believes FEMA camps are real,

531 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:09:22am

re: #529 Targetpractice

So, as I understand the GOP’s position, they are willing to grant one hostage a six-week reprieve so that Democrats can “negotiate” the terms of the release of both, with the understanding that if there’s no deal in six weeks, they’re still gonna blow his head off.

I think it’s pretty much DOA as far as the White House and the Senate are concerned.

532 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:10:06am

re: #530 Dr. Matt

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Embarrassingly, he actually believes FEMA camps are real,

Yeah bonafide pure wacko right there. They’re locking everyone up! Says he from the safety of his computer and not in a FEMA camp in the middle of Chicago.

533 jaunte  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:11:27am

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534 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:11:30am

re: #518 Varek Raith

Boehner Abruptly Changes Strategy Following Outcry From Koch Brothers And Heritage

The shutdown isn’t good for energy companies, but default would be a gut shot. David and Charles Koch have nothing to gain from default.

535 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:11:37am

Submitted sans comment:


Steve Lonegan: Obama Will Cave On The Shutdown When I Win My Election

Republican New Jersey Senate candidate Steve Lonegan said Thursday he has a way to singlehandedly stop Obamacare and help the GOP emerge victorious in its shutdown standoff.

Lonegan’s campaign issued a statement encouraging Republicans in Washington “not to capitulate to the president’s unreasonable demands” until after Wednesday’s special U.S. Senate election in New Jersey. According to Lonegan, he will win that race against Democratic Newark, N.J. Mayor Cory Booker. That in turn will cause Obama to give in to the Republican demands to stop the health care law.

“When I win, Obama will fold,” Lonegan said in the statement.

Lonegan has been gaining in recent polls, though Booker still has a double-digit lead. However, his statement said Lonegan believes “his internal polling shows a neck-and-neck race in the U.S. Senate contest and that all the momentum is in his favor.”

“My victory in this election on Wednesday will send a message to Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi that the American people want an end to Obamacare and the rest of the President’s radical agenda,” said Lonegan. “Republicans need to hold firm because seven days from today when Bob Menendez escorts me down the Senate aisle for my swearing in, the message about what our party should do will be clear for all,”

536 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:12:14am

re: #535 Targetpractice

Submitted sans comment:


Steve Lonegan: Obama Will Cave On The Shutdown When I Win My Election

Crack is wack, Mr. Lonegan.

537 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:12:55am
538 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:12:56am

re: #535 Targetpractice

Submitted sans comment:


Steve Lonegan: Obama Will Cave On The Shutdown When I Win My Election

Youtube Video

539 Interesting Times  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:13:28am

re: #534 Dark_Falcon

The shutdown isn’t good for energy companies, but default would be a gut shot. David and Charles Koch have nothing to gain from default.

Then they should have thought of that before bankrolling the teabagging monsters. Now I’m convinced that, in addition to being selfish and evil, they may very well be stupid too.

540 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:13:51am

re: #518 Varek Raith

Boehner Abruptly Changes Strategy Following Outcry From Koch Brothers And Heritage

Big Money hath spoken. Boehner and TPNJs inquire as to how high they should jump.

541 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:14:25am

re: #539 Interesting Times

Then they should have thought of that before bankrolling the teabagging monsters. Now I’m convinced that, in addition to being selfish and evil, they may very well be stupid too.

May be the worst kind of evil and selfish. Idiots. I have no sympathy for the wealthy investors who threw in their lot with these demogouges simply because they didn’t want to have to pay more in taxes and deal with some regulations.

542 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:14:53am

re: #535 Targetpractice

Submitted sans comment:


Steve Lonegan: Obama Will Cave On The Shutdown When I Win My Election

And this, folks, is why Chris Christie didn’t want to be on the same ticket as Steve Lonegan.

/What a maroon.

543 jaunte  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:14:55am

re: #539 Interesting Times
Yes.

Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., a member of the tea-party caucus who famously yelled “You lie!” to Obama during a speech before a joint session of Congress, was among those who agreed Wednesday with Scott’s view that the president has been too antagonistic.
nationaljournal.com

544 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:15:00am

re: #539 Interesting Times

Then they should have thought of that before bankrolling the teabagging monsters. Now I’m convinced that, in addition to being selfish and evil, they may very well be stupid too.

Didn’t Charles and David just inherit the family fortune a la Donald Trump?

Maybe they’re not as stupid as Trump, but they’re probably not Buffett-level business geniuses.

545 darthstar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:15:20am
546 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:16:54am

re: #535 Targetpractice

10+ points down against Booker, and Lonegan has Sarah Palin campaigning for him. What could possibly go wrong?

The same Lonegan who’s dumber than a bag of hammers, and has less even less common sense than the aforementioned Palin (as if that’s even possible).

547 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:16:59am

re: #544 Ian G.

They increased it a lot, too, using the advantages that massive amounts of money brings when approaching capitalism.

It’s in the name.

548 dog philosopher  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:17:23am

all this gum flapping from bagger congressmen about ‘why won’t he negotiate’ and ‘obamacare will make us teh broke’ is merely so much misdirection

the fact is they already have accomplished what they want

549 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:17:43am

re: #544 Ian G.

Didn’t Charles and David just inherit the family fortune a la Donald Trump?

Maybe they’re not as stupid as Trump, but they’re probably not Buffett-level business geniuses.

Yeah their dad who started Koch Industries was a co-founder of the JBS.

551 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:21:52am

Wingnuts are Tweeting a new meme that “Obamacare website” cost $634 Million to develop.

Where does that number come from? I can’t find any source except the usual RWNJ sites like Twitchy, etc.

How many $45/hr developers did they have working on it?

552 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:23:05am

re: #550 Varek Raith

There he goes again, giving advice that no one wants or needs. Least of all the millions who don’t have insurance who would be eligible for it under the ACA.

Let me take this opportunity to remind everyone, including Blitzer, that the reason that the ACA website is in the shape it’s in is because the GOP has blocked every attempt to have the states set up their own exchanges/sites, instead hoping to overload the feds into a meltdown. They’re having success with this tactic, though it isn’t stopping a whole lot of people from registering and getting policies underway for 2014.

553 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:23:45am

re: #550 Varek Raith

Wolf Blitzer: White House Should Take GOP ‘Advice,’ Delay Obamacare Website

Yeah and screw the people who have already signed up and will be benefiting from ACA. No, sir, President Obama just has to make the GOP happy by caving in on a settled law to a narrow minority. You call yourself America’s most trusted news, CNN with a clown like this being one of your lead anchors? Seriously?

554 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:23:51am

re: #551 Vicious Babushka

I wouldn’t be surprised if they removed a decimal point, and that it was really $63.4 million, and not $634 million.

According to this, it’s half that about -

OK, that sounds pretty complicated. Who’s building the system and how much did it cost?
The primary Obamacare exchange contract went to the CGI Group, a Canadian consulting company that has also played a role in administering Canada’s single-payer health care system. CGI has been awarded at least $88 million by CMS to build the federal exchange and provide related technical support.

CMS provided another $55 million to Quality Software Services, a Maryland-based health care IT company, to build the data hub, software that serves as an intermediary between all those federal agencies and the Obamacare exchanges.

Several other federal contractors have also been awarded multi-million dollar contracts to assist with various aspects of building and operating the exchanges. A June report by the Government Accountability Office found that CMS had already committed to spend $394 million on the system.

Some of that may be multi-year deals, to maintain the site once it’s up (in other words, no different than any other website).

555 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:24:24am

re: #550 Varek Raith

Wolf Blitzer: White House Should Take GOP ‘Advice,’ Delay Obamacare Website

While screaming isn’t ‘advice’, the website does seem to be badly buggy and it might be best to take it offline until its flaws can be mended.

556 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:25:00am

re: #551 Vicious Babushka

Where does that number come from? I can’t find any source except the usual RWNJ sites like Twitchy, etc.

From the same place Michele Bachmann gets her info about Obama aiding al Qaeda.

557 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:25:38am

re: #555 Dark_Falcon

While screaming isn’t ‘advice’, the website does seem to be badly buggy and it might be best to take it offline until it flaws can be mended.

Look at LH’s 552. There’s a reason the site is buggy. It wouldn’t be this way if the government hadn’t been shutdown by a bunch of mental toddlers posing as Congressmen.

558 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:25:54am

re: #555 Dark_Falcon

While screaming isn’t ‘advice’, the website does seem to be badly buggy and it might be best to take it offline until it flaws can be mended.

The GOP isn’t saying delay the roll-out of the website for a year, they’re saying delay the entire damned law for a year. There is a difference.

559 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:26:02am

re: #556 Ian G.

From the same place Michele Bachmann gets her info about Obama aiding al Qaeda.

Or the same place where the lady behind the truckers gets her info on Osama and Obama.

560 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:26:58am

re: #558 Targetpractice

The GOP isn’t saying delay the roll-out of the website for a year, they’re saying delay the entire damned law for a year. There is a difference.

and some of them are saying get rid of the law period. Forget that whole it passed both Houses of Congress and the USSC affirmed it. We must give into losers wearing colonial era garb having temper tantrums.

561 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:27:00am

re: #559 HappyWarrior

Or the same place where the lady behind the truckers gets her info on Osama and Obama.

The voices in her head?

562 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:27:56am

Seriously screw this. The law’s been passed. Accept it GOP and stop sayign well you know the Fugitive Slave Law was also settled. Because a law forcing people to return escaped human chattel is anything like a law that makes affording health care easier. Fuck that. Fuck that forever man.

563 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:28:03am

re: #554 lawhawk

I wouldn’t be surprised if they removed a decimal point, and that it was really $63.4 million, and not $634 million.

All the programmers for these government projects are typically contractors. A contract programmer makes about $45-$65/hr (depending on location and skill set) but the contracting agency charges much more, like $175-$250/hr for the contractor. That’s how we got the discrepancy between how much Ed Snowden claimed he was paid and how much he was actually paid.

Oh yeah, and…

All those contractors who were supposed to provide tech support for the website, were laid off due to the shutdown.

564 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:28:13am

re: #561 Dr Lizardo

The voices in her head?

I was going to say her ass but that works too.

565 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:28:27am

re: #489 Vicious Babushka

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Snowden getting these rewards somehow reminds me of how they’d give out ribbons to the fat kids on track day.

566 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:28:54am

re: #558 Targetpractice

The GOP isn’t saying delay the roll-out of the website for a year, they’re saying delay the entire damned law for a year. There is a difference.

Of course there is. Which was why I said that “screaming isn’t ‘advice’”. People have already signed under the law, so it cannot be delayed now.

567 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:29:41am

re: #565 b.d.

That’s not nice, b.d.

568 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:29:47am

re: #555 Dark_Falcon

While screaming isn’t ‘advice’, the website does seem to be badly buggy and it might be best to take it offline until it flaws can be mended.

IT are ‘non essential’.

569 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:29:57am

For all you job-hunters:

570 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:30:38am

re: #530 Dr. Matt

[Embedded content]

Embarrassingly, he actually believes FEMA camps are real,

If you look closely, there is no mention of the FEMA Camp guards getting furloughed.

571 Mattand  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:30:58am

re: #546 lawhawk

10+ points down against Booker, and Lonegan has Sarah Palin campaigning for him. What could possibly go wrong?

The same Lonegan who’s dumber than a bag of hammers, and has less even less common sense than the aforementioned Palin (as if that’s even possible).

You’re in North Jersey. I had never heard of Bogota before Lonegan announced his run. Have you ever been there?

I keep thinking of Bogota the way I think of Michelle Bachmann’s district: I’m sure they’re nice people, but WTF, look who they elected to represent them.

572 Mattand  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:31:38am

re: #569 wrenchwench

For all you job-hunters:

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Donald Sutherland teaches you to seduce your interviewer.

573 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:31:46am

re: #569 wrenchwench

For all you job-hunters:

[Embedded content]

Show up in a burgundy AMC Matador. //

574 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:31:51am

re: #567 Dark_Falcon

That’s not nice, b.d.

You’re right, I’m sorry.

I was just reminded of the day that I won a 2nd place ribbon in arm wrestling.

575 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:32:27am

re: #572 Mattand

Donald Sutherland teaches you to seduce your interviewer.

[x] Porn Stache

576 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:32:52am

re: #572 Mattand

Donald Sutherland teaches you to seduce your interviewer.

Rofl

577 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:33:13am

re: #546 lawhawk

10+ points down against Booker, and Lonegan has Sarah Palin campaigning for him. What could possibly go wrong?

The same Lonegan who’s dumber than a bag of hammers, and has less even less common sense than the aforementioned Palin (as if that’s even possible).

But, but, but, but….look at OSarah bin Palin’s “winning record” for the people she supports!

578 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:33:51am

Now I’m hungry.

579 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:34:35am

It continues to absolutely boggle my mind how people who live in a world of buggy software and bad OS roll-outs are shocked that a program as complex and maligned as Healthcare.Gov would have issues in its first days.

580 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:35:04am

re: #578 wrenchwench

Now I’m hungry.

Diet tip: imagine those cookies contain REAL SPIDERS.

581 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:35:36am

re: #579 Targetpractice

It continues to absolutely boggle my mind how people who live in a world of buggy software and bad OS roll-outs are shocked that a program as complex and maligned as Healthcare.Gov would have issues in its first days.

It’s selective outrage.

582 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:35:56am

re: #579 Targetpractice

It continues to absolutely boggle my mind how people who live in a world of buggy software and bad OS roll-outs are shocked that a program as complex and maligned as Healthcare.Gov would have issues in its first days.

WINDOWS HAS NO BUGS

583 Gus  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:36:12am

Armor All the vinyl bench seats and don’t wear seatbelts…

//

584 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:36:23am

re: #579 Targetpractice

It continues to absolutely boggle my mind how people who live in a world of buggy software and bad OS roll-outs are shocked that a program as complex and maligned as Healthcare.Gov would have issues in its first days.

If we were to dump something because of buggy software/glitches, MS Windows would have been dead 18 years ago.

585 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:36:59am

re: #584 Dr. Matt

If we were to dump something because of buggy software/glitches, MS Windows would have been dead 18 years ago.

I suffered for three years under the tyranny that was Win95!

586 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:37:23am

re: #539 Interesting Times

Then they should have thought of that before bankrolling the teabagging monsters. Now I’m convinced that, in addition to being selfish and evil, they may very well be stupid too.

They sure haven’t gotten much bang for their buck. For an energy company that is called little BTU.

They’d be better standing around lighting each others farts with a match. Very similar in results, equally classy, better for the country and the environment. Hell, it would make them look better.

587 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:37:49am

re: #582 Varek Raith

WINDOWS HAS NO BUGS

Just undocumented features.

Morning/Afternoon Lizards.

588 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:38:07am

re: #211 darthstar

re: #205 Ian G.

‘Awesome. Any teabagger who thinks they’re fighting a “war” should be smacked in the face by this guy and people like him. Any teabagger who compares Obama to Hitler should be smacked in the face by a Holocaust survivor. Any teabagger who compares Obama to the Soviets should be smacked in the face by someone who participated in the Hungarian uprising of 1956, the Prague Spring, or the January Events of 1991 in Lithuania.’

Great…I still have to wait for some teabagger to say it’s like a bad acid trip before I can smack them in the face. Then again, it is kind of like a bad trip. You keep thinking a budget is going to get passed and everything will get better, then a poster of Marianne Faithful leans out of the wall and tells you it’s only just beginning.

“There ain’t no such thing as bad acid. If it’s bad, it ain’t acid.”
Country Joe McDonald, Saturday, August 16, 1969

589 Mattand  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:39:40am

re: #579 Targetpractice

It continues to absolutely boggle my mind how people who live in a world of buggy software and bad OS roll-outs are shocked that a program as complex and maligned as Healthcare.Gov would have issues in its first days.

I’m taking a web design class and the teacher briefly covered the ACA site from a tech angle. Said he wasn’t impressed with the quality of the code, and didn’t give the site high marks for usability.

His overarching theme is that something like this needs to work perfectly from the get-go. Guy slings code for a fairly large hospital network, so he does know his stuff.

It’s only the second week, so it may be a little early to start irritating people yet. But I’m not sure how realistic it is to expect something like this to be perfect every single time.

590 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:39:49am

re: #585 Targetpractice

I suffered for three years under the tyranny that was Win95!

I hated Win95. I remember wanting to reinstall windows 3.1

591 EPR-radar  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:39:54am

re: #565 b.d.

Snowden getting these rewards somehow reminds me of how they’d give out ribbons to the fat kids on track day.

Phys ed in grade school is very difficult. An analogy would be a single math class where some students are still working on multiplication tables and others are working on differential equations, with the math teacher thinking that team math competitions would be educational.

592 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:39:59am

re: #580 Vicious Babushka

Diet tip: imagine those cookies contain REAL SPIDERS.

You’re just jealous because somebody else thought of that trick first.

//

593 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:40:28am

re: #579 Targetpractice

It continues to absolutely boggle my mind how people who live in a world of buggy software and bad OS roll-outs are shocked that a program as complex and maligned as Healthcare.Gov would have issues in its first days.

Should have hired the same folk who set up Romney’s election night tracking and messaging software.

594 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:41:20am

Hell, iOS7 hasn’t even been around for a month and there has already been two updates to it. Teabaggers are simple-minded idiots.

595 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:42:02am

re: #589 Mattand

I’m taking a web design class and the teacher briefly covered the ACA site from a tech angle. Said he wasn’t impressed with the quality of the code, and didn’t give the site high marks for usability.

His overarching theme is that something like this needs to work perfectly from the get-go. Guy slings code for a fairly large hospital network, so he does know his stuff.

It’s only the second week, so it may be a little early to start irritating people yet. But I’m not sure how realistic it is to expect something like this to be perfect every single time.

When you spend more time at AGILE meetings than actually writing code, you know the project is in trouble.

596 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:42:14am

re: #589 Mattand

Well, duh, being built by the lowest bidder and all.
;)

597 Mattand  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:43:37am

re: #594 Dr. Matt

Hell, iOS7 has even around for a month and there has already been two updates to it. Teabaggers are simple-minded idiots.

I may pull the trigger this afternoon on iOS 7 on my iPod. I have been hesitating because of all the horror stories about battery life. Also, I’m doing just fine with iTunes 10 and iOS 6.

As much as I want to play with the new shiny, the call of “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” is louder.

598 jaunte  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:43:44am

The FBI can’t investigate terrorists and fraudsters due to budget cuts

“In the first week of his new job as FBI director, James B. Comey had already heard about how training had stopped for recruits at Quantico and that the bureau wasn’t planning on bringing in any new agents next year, all because of budget cuts.

But Comey was stunned when he began visiting FBI field offices this month and heard directly from his special agents. New intelligence investigations were not being opened. Criminal cases were being closed. Informants couldn’t be paid. And there was not enough funding for agents to put gas in their cars.”

599 kirkspencer  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:43:56am

re: #578 wrenchwench

If you’re going to do this effectively use one of the kiss-style chocolate chip recipes - the ones where you put a big hershey’s kiss (tm) in the middle of each cookie before baking.

Wanna push it further, put a regular sized chocolate chip right next to it. crack some cinnamon hots and put a fragment on top of the kiss, draw the legs from the regular chip.

An awful lot of work, but I may have to do some cooking soon.

600 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:44:56am

re: #573 Gus

Show up in a burgundy AMC Matador. //

To hell with that.

Just show up dressed like Ron Burgundy.

601 piratedan  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:45:17am

re: #596 Varek Raith

sometimes it’s not even lowest bidder but who can stay in the race as you jump through all of the necessary government requirements to even write the software and be eligible to bid. Have heard on more than one occasion that submission to be a vendor involves a LOT of man hours to wade through the clerical requirements. Even more so if Military is involved.

602 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:46:00am

re: #551 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are Tweeting a new meme that “Obamacare website” cost $634 Million to develop.

Where does that number come from? I can’t find any source except the usual RWNJ sites like Twitchy, etc.

How many $45/hr developers did they have working on it?

An op-ed on Digital Trends

About the author:

“Staff Writer for Digital Trends, Andrew Couts covers a wide swath of consumer technology topics, with particular focus on the intersection of technology, law, politics, and policy. Prior to Digital Trends, Couts served as associate editor of TheWeek.com, executive editor of COEDMagazine.com, assistant editor of Maxim magazine, and writer/editorial assistant of Stuff magazine. In his few moments spent away from a computer, Couts can be found hiking with his dog, or blasting around on motorcycles.”

603 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:47:12am

Apparently the growing consensus amongst reporters and policy wonks is “We’ve no fucking clue what the GOP is proposing.” Lot of insider talk and such, but no actual terms on paper as of yet.

604 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:48:30am

re: #543 jaunte

Yes.

Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., a member of the tea-party caucus who famously yelled “You lie!” to Obama during a speech before a joint session of Congress, was among those who agreed Wednesday with Scott’s view that the president has been too antagonistic.
nationaljournal.com

How many times have some of you had to ask yourselves in the last few years: “Does this person really think I have no memory? Does this person really think I am that stupid? Does this person think I am going to forget the past so they can be more stupid in the future? Does this person think there are no facts in disagreement with everything they say? Does this person have a brain? Does this person think I would vote for them?

I don’t get it. I really don’t. But I acknowledge it is out there, how can you not.

And it all leads to the bigger question. It goes to an old advertising lesson I learned a long time ago starting out as an advertising artist.

Are there really that many people out there that would buy this?

Yes. Yes there are.

605 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:49:26am

re: #601 piratedan

sometimes it’s not even lowest bidder but who can stay in the race as you jump through all of the necessary government requirements to even write the software and be eligible to bid. Have heard on more than one occasion that submission to be a vendor involves a LOT of man hours to wade through the clerical requirements. Even more so if Military is involved.

There are also set-asides to deal with so some of the work may require contract partners who meet the needed diversity/veteran status requirement.

606 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:50:27am

re: #603 Targetpractice

Apparently the growing consensus amongst reporters and policy wonks is “We’ve no fucking clue what the GOP is proposing.” Lot of insider talk and such, but no actual terms on paper as of yet.

Maybe because the GOP itself doesn’t haven’t much of a clue as to what it’s proposing.

Boehner needs to be a man and to put the smackdown on these clowns. Now.

607 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:51:35am

re: #606 Dr Lizardo

Maybe because the GOP itself doesn’t haven’t much of a clue as to what it’s proposing.

Boehner needs to be a man and to put the smackdown on these clowns. Now.

My guess is that Boehner doesn’t want to actually put it on the table until he’s sure he’s got the votes to pass it. Wants to avoid a repeat of “Plan B” by going forward sure that he’s got the votes then watching a last-minute TP revolt that kills the bill very publicly.

608 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:51:56am

re: #563 Vicious Babushka

All the programmers for these government projects are typically contractors. A contract programmer makes about $45-$65/hr (depending on location and skill set) but the contracting agency charges much more, like $175-$250/hr for the contractor. That’s how we got the discrepancy between how much Ed Snowden claimed he was paid and how much he was actually paid.

My wife recently found out that when her company sends her to a job site, the consultant’s fee is well over 2 grand a day.

Obviously, quite a bit more than ends up on her paycheck!

609 piratedan  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:52:38am

re: #606 Dr Lizardo

Maybe because the GOP itself doesn’t haven’t much of a clue as to what it’s proposing.

Boehner needs to be a man and to put the smackdown on these clowns. Now.

assuming character traits not previously seen in evidence……

610 kirkspencer  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:54:20am

re: #603 Targetpractice

Apparently the growing consensus amongst reporters and policy wonks is “We’ve no fucking clue what the GOP is proposing.” Lot of insider talk and such, but no actual terms on paper as of yet.

Which is part of the basis for my comment #426.

The thing is you’ve got the stubborn TP vs those who dance to the tune of the billionaires. And every one of the Republicans is fighting an internal battle of loyalty - to the rich, to the TP, to the good of the nation, maybe more.

(And let me shortstop any ‘good of the nation’ objections. Please don’t dehumanize them, don’t turn them all into cardboard characters. There are some I think believe the nation must be destroyed so it can be saved, but not the whole of them.)

611 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:55:46am

One other thing to take into consideration that’s been lost in today’s scramble to find out what the House is doing is that Reid’s setting up the Senate to vote on their own debt ceiling increase this weekend, with talk that he’s got enough votes to get past any threats of a filibuster.

612 Aqua Obama  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:55:55am

A day old, but…

DC Mayor Crashes Senate Democrats Event Over Shutdown

Why crash Democratic events when they weren’t even responsible for the shutdown? Teaming up with Darrel Fucking Issa isn’t going to make D.C. a state in this or any other century.

613 jaunte  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:56:12am

This Week In The Laboratories Of Democracy

“The week was highlighted by a lovely lady state representative from where-the-fk-else? Arizona, who took advantage of a nearby microphone to beat Mr. Godwin into a fine powder, and to question the existence of testicles among local law-enforcement.”

“Someone is paying the National Park Service thugs overtime for their efforts to carry out the order of De Fuhrer,” Barton wrote. “[W]here are our Constitutional Sheriffs who can revoke the Park Service Rangers authority to arrest??? Do we have any Sheriffs with a pair?”

614 kirkspencer  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:56:46am

re: #608 makeitstop

My wife recently found out that when her company sends her to a job site, the consultant’s fee is well over 2 grand a day.

Obviously, quite a bit more than ends up on her paycheck!

Yeah. There are good reasons (to some extent). For example the jobs have to pay for ‘shop time’ and admin and expenses and general resources. But there’s a point at which the boggling happens.

615 klys  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:57:20am

re: #546 lawhawk

10+ points down against Booker, and Lonegan has Sarah Palin campaigning for him. What could possibly go wrong?

The same Lonegan who’s dumber than a bag of hammers, and has less even less common sense than the aforementioned Palin (as if that’s even possible).

My mother of the “both sides are to blame” attitude described Lonegan to me as straight Tea Party.

That’s at least making her stop and think. Of course, she thinks Booker will just rubber-stamp whatever Obama wants.

/sigh

616 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:57:26am

re: #612 Carlos Danger

A day old, but…

DC Mayor Crashes Senate Democrats Event Over Shutdown

Why crash Democratic events when they weren’t even responsible for the shutdown? Teaming up with Darrel Fucking Issa isn’t going to make D.C. a state in this or any other century.

Because VIncent Grey sucks. Fenty was the better mayor.

617 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:58:10am

re: #616 HappyWarrior

Because VIncent Grey sucks. Fenty was the better mayor.

QFT.

618 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:58:25am

re: #615 klys

My mother of the “both sides are to blame” attitude described Lonegan to me as straight Tea Party.

That’s at least making her stop and think. Of course, she thinks Booker will just rubber-stamp whatever Obama wants.

/sigh

As opposed to Lonegan who will just oppose what Obama does and at least Booker isn’t some flake who thinks drinking scotch makes him more of a man than Booker.

619 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:58:55am

re: #617 Varek Raith

QFT.

I believe Grey’s had ethical problems too. I don’t recall that with Fenty.

620 blueraven  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:59:50am

re: #579 Targetpractice

It continues to absolutely boggle my mind how people who live in a world of buggy software and bad OS roll-outs are shocked that a program as complex and maligned as Healthcare.Gov would have issues in its first days.

I agree in principle, but the ACA needs to admit to the problems and get them fixed asap. If it takes a few days of totally shutting down, then so be it. It is pretty bad.

621 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:59:51am

re: #619 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t Fenty the guy who went down with that corrupt woman Rhee?

622 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:00:02am

Just got a corporate email about how the Shutdown is going to impact the auto industry. Because furloughed federal employees aren’t going to be buying or leasing any new cars!

Also no new government fleet orders.

You see the ripple effect this is having on the economy.

FUCK YOU REPUBLICANS. FUCK YOU HARD.

623 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:01:04am

re: #621 ProTARDISLiberal

Wasn’t Fenty the guy who went down with that corrupt woman Rhee?

Probably so, but he was a lot better than Gray. Of course, I got a kick out of Mayor Bow-Tie. They’re all better than Marion who ended up being the lone member of the city council to oppose SSM.

624 klys  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:01:33am

re: #618 HappyWarrior

As opposed to Lonegan who will just oppose what Obama does and at least Booker isn’t some flake who thinks drinking scotch makes him more of a man than Booker.

Oh, I know.

I also tried to remind her that Obama is pretty much a centrist, but I’m not sure how much she listened.

625 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:02:00am

OT but anyone know why an iPod may develop syncing problems. I had to restore it the otehr day and I haven’t been able to get it to sync fully since.

626 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:02:06am

re: #555 Dark_Falcon

While screaming isn’t ‘advice’, the website does seem to be badly buggy and it might be best to take it offline until it flaws can be mended.

Worked perfectly fine for me in Ohio on Tuesday mid-morning. I haven’t bought anything yet, but so far signs are encouraging. I’m doing a bit of study on the one company and will call the agent that contacted me on Monday to maybe pull the trigger.

I’m pretty web savvy. I’ve run three web stores and their databases. I run a forum and am working on a simple cheap web store setup for an old boss. So trust me, overall, the log in, the questions asked, the policy offerings, the side bar navigation, all clear and built to serve rather than win design awards. It needs be simple for those that might not be all that accustomed to using a web site.

I have a much harder time using job application sites to major companies here in central Ohio. Some end up in a blind turn database error, and all your input is lost. I made a cheat sheet in WordPad with all my usual form data in it. Open that window, copy, paste…repeat. That all helps from having to type over and over the same stuff.

I have it encrypted in the most Glenn Greenwald manner to keep it safe from Snowdon.

But to trash the whole program…sheesh. Just seems unfair and more political BS. Still have 2 1/2 months, and who knows, with all this extending crap, maybe they will extend the signup another three months or more.

627 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:02:27am

Dana Loesch is so freaking stupid.

628 klys  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:02:32am

re: #620 blueraven

re: #579 Targetpractice

I agree in principle, but the ACA needs to admit to the problems and get them fixed asap. If it takes a few days of totally shutting down, then so be it. It is pretty bad.

I’m sure working on getting it fixed will be a top priority once the folks behind the site are allowed to come back to work.

629 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:02:33am

re: #624 klys

Oh, I know.

I also tried to remind her that Obama is pretty much a centrist, but I’m not sure how much she listened.

I feel ya. It can be like talking to a brick wall with some people so I just play dumb.

630 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:03:39am

re: #607 Targetpractice

My guess is that Boehner doesn’t want to actually put it on the table until he’s sure he’s got the votes to pass it. Wants to avoid a repeat of “Plan B” by going forward sure that he’s got the votes then watching a last-minute TP revolt that kills the bill very publicly.

Could be. Make sure you’ve got all your ducks in a row before you pull the trigger.

631 klys  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:03:44am

re: #625 HappyWarrior

OT but anyone know why an iPod may develop syncing problems. I had to restore it the otehr day and I haven’t been able to get it to sync fully since.

Do you keep the USB cord plugged in all the time? Sometimes when I’m having syncing issues, unplugging and replugging the USB cord (sometimes in a different port) helps.

632 jaunte  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:03:56am
633 klys  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:04:16am

re: #629 HappyWarrior

I feel ya. It can be like talking to a brick wall with some people so I just play dumb.

In general we don’t talk about these things for a reason.

634 Mattand  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:04:39am

re: #625 HappyWarrior

OT but anyone know why an iPod may develop syncing problems. I had to restore it the otehr day and I haven’t been able to get it to sync fully since.

iPod Touch?

635 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:05:14am

re: #627 Vicious Babushka

She has the deadest eyes I have ever seen.

Does she even have a soul?

636 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:05:15am

re: #634 Mattand

iPod Touch?

Classic.

637 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:05:30am

re: #560 HappyWarrior

and some of them are saying get rid of the law period. Forget that whole it passed both Houses of Congress and the USSC affirmed it. We must give into losers wearing colonial era garb having temper tantrums.

Don’t you just love when an idiot Rep from a certain unnamed party then lets go of a “No majority of Republicans voted for it.” Or, “I didn’t vote for it, my people back in my district didn’t vote for it.”

Yeah. It sells.

638 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:05:42am

re: #631 klys

Do you keep the USB cord plugged in all the time? Sometimes when I’m having syncing issues, unplugging and replugging the USB cord (sometimes in a different port) helps.

That’s a good idea. Lemme try that. Now it’s not even recognizing it. I think it’s got to be a problem with the iPod itself. I’ve been having problems for a while. Think I’ll just get a new one.

639 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:07:21am

Really, today’s events could serve as a pretty strong indicator of the idea that Obama is a cunning strategist. He just casually remarks that he’d be open to a short-term debt ceiling increase and the GOP jumps onto the trap.

640 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:07:24am

Can you one of you tech/developer people explain AGILE/Scrum to a non-techie?

I’m curious as to why it’s hated so. I have my suspicions of course, but not being in the industry, I’ve never seen the system firsthand.

641 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:07:44am

re: #597 Mattand

I may pull the trigger this afternoon on iOS 7 on my iPod. I have been hesitating because of all the horror stories about battery life. Also, I’m doing just fine with iTunes 10 and iOS 6.

As much as I want to play with the new shiny, the call of “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” is louder.

Everytime there is an iOS upgrade, I let the other folk do the beta testing, and wait for at least two subsequent iterations before upgrading.

ISTR, that back in the iOS 3 - 4 - 5 days there were some horror stories that I skipped by waiting.

FWIW still using 6.1.3

YYMV

642 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:09:07am

re: #638 HappyWarrior

That’s a good idea. Lemme try that.

Also try rebooting everything: iPod, computer, tickle me elmo doll, etc.

643 blueraven  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:09:13am

re: #628 klys

I’m sure working on getting it fixed will be a top priority once the folks behind the site are allowed to come back to work.

I thought, as the ACA is already funded, they are at work now.

644 jaunte  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:09:40am
645 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:10:15am

re: #644 jaunte

[Embedded content]

FFS

646 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:10:22am

re: #644 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I have neither a face nor a palm big enough for that statement.

647 Mattand  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:10:35am

re: #636 HappyWarrior

Classic.

Not sure. The restore should have fixed it. Maybe delete the non-syncing items from the iPod, and restore a little at a time?

648 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:10:48am

re: #640 Eclectic Cyborg

Can you one of you tech/developer people explain AGILE/Scrum to a non-techie?

I’m curious as to why it’s hated so. I have my suspicions of course, but not being in the industry, I’ve never seen the system firsthand.

It is a project management tool for allocating resources and estimating tasks.

Like any project management tool it is a TOOL and can be useful but if it gets into the hands of control freaks then it becomes an end in itself.

At the Job From Hell we had scrums every day and got little done (at least while I was there). Here we have them every 2-3 weeks and yet we manage to complete many projects.

649 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:11:17am

re: #642 Dr. Matt

Also try rebooting everything: iPod, computer, tickle me elmo doll, etc.

Did that.

650 kirkspencer  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:11:19am

re: #638 HappyWarrior

That’s a good idea. Lemme try that.

If that doesn’t work, here’s the 7 bullet troubleshooting list from Apple. If that doesn’t work you’re probably going to have to go to a store.

651 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:11:45am

re: #649 HappyWarrior

Did that.

Did you try using a Second Amendment solution?

652 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:11:56am

re: #644 jaunte

I’ve seen this floating around Facebook the past few days, that might have had something to do with the TPers statement.

Or it’s just blatant stupidity.

653 klys  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:12:15am

re: #643 blueraven

I thought, as the ACA is already funded, they are at work now.

I would not necessarily make that assumption, but I have no data to support either way. However, I consider it likely that even though the spending support was considered mandatory funding, these employees were still classified as “non-essential.”

654 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:12:20am

re: #651 Dr. Matt

Did you try using a Second Amendment solution?

Ha, I don’t own a gun so no.

655 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:12:36am

re: #646 Eclectic Cyborg

I have neither a face nor a palm big enough for that statement.

For that statement, there is only The Epic Facepalm of Epicness.

Image: 800px-Epic_Ultimate_Facepalm_of_Epicness.jpg

656 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:13:04am

re: #652 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve seen this floating around Facebook the past few days, that might have had something to do with the TPers statement.

Or it’s just blatant stupidity.

It’s based on the bogus, debunked meme that Obama and congress are exempted from the ACA.

657 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:13:05am

re: #648 Vicious Babushka

It is a project management tool for allocating resources and estimating tasks.

Like any project management tool it is a TOOL and can be useful but if it gets into the hands of control freaks then it becomes an end in itself.

At the Job From Hell we had scrums every day and got little done (at least while I was there). Here we have them every 2-3 weeks and yet we manage to complete many projects.

So then a scrum is something like an information exchange meeting between members of different departments to make sure everyone has their shit together?

658 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:13:09am

re: #647 Mattand

Not sure. The restore should have fixed it. Maybe delete the non-syncing items from the iPod, and restore a little at a time?

I have everything set to sync just like I always did before this though.

659 b.d.  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:14:46am
660 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:15:20am

re: #657 Eclectic Cyborg

So then a scrum is something like an information exchange meeting between members of different departments to make sure everyone has their shit together?

Yeah, pretty much.

It’s two questions from management basically.

1. What have you accomplished since the last scrum?
2. What do you need (time, resources, information, equipment) to complete your current task?

661 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:16:08am

For example, I just wrote a bunch of stored procedures and I am waiting for management to tell me which ones they want to use, that I should add to the interface.

662 jaunte  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:16:15am

They really aren’t doing a very good job of countering the misinformation.

663 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:16:30am

GOP to propose Debt limit increase…that will last 42 days

House Republicans, looking for a way out of a budget standoff they began, will offer to President Obama at a White House meeting Thursday a plan to increase the debt limit through Nov. 22, in exchange for a promise to negotiate a deal for long-term deficit reduction and a tax overhaul.

Speaker John A. Boehner, flanked by other Republican members of the House, discussed a short term debt-ceiling proposal on Thursday at the Capitol in Washington.

The debt ceiling increase could come to a vote as soon as Friday, but House Republicans did not intend to reopen the government, hoping that the shuttering of federal programs would keep the pressure on Democrats to compromise.

“What we want to do is offer the president today the ability to move,” Speaker John A. Boehner said. The offer, he said, would be “a temporary increase in the debt ceiling, an agreement to go to conference on the budget, for his willingness to sit down and talk with us a way forward to open the government.”

I’d post a proper response to this idiotic nonsense but my blood pressure is too high at the moment.

I wonder if I should page this?

664 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:17:32am

re: #663 Eclectic Cyborg

GOP to propose Debt limit increase…that will last 42 days

I’d post a proper response to this idiotic nonsense but my blood pressure is too high at the moment.

I wonder if I should page this?

WORST BLACK FRIDAY EVER.

Proud of yourself, wingnuts?

665 blueraven  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:17:49am

re: #653 klys

I would not necessarily make that assumption, but I have no data to support either way. However, I consider it likely that even though the spending support was considered mandatory funding, these employees were still classified as “non-essential.”

I have seen nothing at all that would indicate these web developers are not allowed to fully operate. If that were the case, it would be all over the net.

All I am saying is, admit the problems and get them fixed.

666 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:18:22am

re: #663 Eclectic Cyborg

GOP to propose Debt limit increase…that will last 42 days

I’d post a proper response to this idiotic nonsense but my blood pressure is too high at the moment.

I wonder if I should page this?

Dear GOP;

RE: 42 day debt ceiling increase

No.

Sincerely yours,
The United States of America

667 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:18:46am

Karma. How does it work?

Dead Man Walking: Judge Tells Man He Must Stay Legally Dead

Legally, Donald Miller is dead and he’s staying that way in the eyes of the law. An Ohio judge told him so in court this week.

Miller, 61, testified on Monday in Ohio’s Hancock County Probate Court that he disappeared in 1986, leaving behind his wife, two children and unpaid child support after losing his job.

668 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:19:16am

re: #667 Bubblehead II

Karma. How does it work?

Dead Man Walking: Judge Tells Man He Must Stay Legally Dead

Legally, Donald Miller is dead and he’s staying that way in the eyes of the law. An Ohio judge told him so in court this week.

Miller, 61, testified on Monday in Ohio’s Hancock County Probate Court that he disappeared in 1986, leaving behind his wife, two children and unpaid child support after losing his job.

Yay, no taxes!

669 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:20:20am

re: #667 Bubblehead II

Karma. How does it work?

Dead Man Walking: Judge Tells Man He Must Stay Legally Dead

Legally, Donald Miller is dead and he’s staying that way in the eyes of the law. An Ohio judge told him so in court this week.

Miller, 61, testified on Monday in Ohio’s Hancock County Probate Court that he disappeared in 1986, leaving behind his wife, two children and unpaid child support after losing his job.

Does this mean he can do whatever he wants? Par-tay at Miller’s house!

670 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:20:51am

re: #663 Eclectic Cyborg

GOP to propose Debt limit increase…that will last 42 days

I’d post a proper response to this idiotic nonsense but my blood pressure is too high at the moment.

I wonder if I should page this?

No, best to discuss it here. It’s not a good offer, but its not a straight demand so technically Obama could accept it to prevent default. But it can only work if the two sides are both interested in actually reaching a deal. It will not work if it just serves as a vehicle for teabaggers to call the president names. And I’d need more than promises of good faith before I’d believe it was something other than that last.

671 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:21:36am

rightwingwatch.org
A who’s who at this year’s annual value voters summit bitchfest that gays and non-Christians have rights too.

672 kirkspencer  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:22:15am

re: #670 Dark_Falcon

No, best to discuss it here. It’s not a good offer, but its not a straight demand so technically Obama could accept it to prevent default. But it can only work if the two sides are both interested in actually reaching a deal. It will not work if it just serves as a vehicle for teabaggers to call the president names. And I’d need more than promises of good faith before I’d believe it was something other than that last.

It’s a bad offer carrying a poison pill. Move the debt limit but keep the government shut down.

673 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:22:46am

re: #668 Varek Raith

Yay, no taxes!

No SS bennies or Medicare bennies either. At least under that SSN.

674 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:22:49am

re: #670 Dark_Falcon

No, best to discuss it here. It’s not a good offer, but its not a straight demand so technically Obama could accept it to prevent default. But it can only work if the two sides are both interested in actually reaching a deal. It will not work if it just serves as a vehicle for teabaggers to call the president names. And I’d need more than promises of good faith before I’d believe it was something other than that last.

It’s not a serious offer. The GOP isn’t releasing the hostage, they’re simply saying they won’t blow his head off for another six weeks, with any extension beyond that dependent on how much they can strong-arm Democrats into accepting. They won’t let go of the threat of a default as leverage.

675 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:24:34am

re: #672 kirkspencer

It’s a bad offer carrying a poison pill. Move the debt limit but keep the government shut down.

Well, what Dark said is technically true. If it was an honest attempt at negotiation, it wouldn’t be terrible. The only thing he’s wrong about is that there is simply no question about this, it’s not an honest attempt. It’s a desperate plea from Boehner for Obama to bail him out. The GOP’s negotiating positions are as insane as their tactics, when it comes to the budget. The sequestration is already in effect—negotiations should be about raising spending, and the GOP are stuck in ‘cut spending’ mode just like they were before the sequester.

676 piratedan  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:24:49am

re: #674 Targetpractice

yeah, this is imho pretty much the equivalent of having pizzas delivered to the people being held hostage at the bank

677 blueraven  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:25:01am

re: #666 Dr Lizardo

Dear GOP;

RE: 42 day debt ceiling increase

No.

Sincerely yours,
The United States of America

If I were POTUS, I would probably take it. I don’t think the GOP will risk this again in 6 weeks and will quietly pass a longer debt limit increase at that time.

They want to continue with the shutdown. In 6 weeks they will be mud.

678 klys  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:29:43am

re: #665 blueraven

I have seen nothing at all that would indicate these web developers are not allowed to fully operate. If that were the case, it would be all over the net.

All I am saying is, admit the problems and get them fixed.

It does appear the folks behind the website are working full-throttle, since they are contractors who were already paid before the shutdown. (Although account managers for the insurers have been furloughed.)

I think that they’re willing to admit problems though, and it sounds like shutting down the website wouldn’t fix them any faster.

679 Interesting Times  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:31:00am

re: #677 blueraven

If I were POTUS, I would probably take it. I don’t think the GOP will risk this again in 6 weeks and will quietly pass a longer debt limit increase at that time.

No, because it still amounts to rewarding extortion and would have the exact opposite effect, convincing the teabags that if they only hold out a little longer, they’ll win. Never, EVER underestimate the GOP’s ability to engage in stupid, dangerous risks.

680 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:32:23am

re: #676 piratedan

yeah, this is imho pretty much the equivalent of having pizzas delivered to the people being held hostage at the bank

So Tweeting that.

681 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:33:54am

re: #679 Interesting Times

No, because it still amounts to rewarding extortion and would have the exact opposite effect, convincing the teabags that if they only hold out a little longer, they’ll win. Never, EVER underestimate the GOP’s ability to engage in stupid, dangerous risks.

Precisely. The Teahadis need to be treated like you’d treat a small child throwing a temper tantrum.

682 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:40:55am

re: #518 Varek Raith

Boehner Abruptly Changes Strategy Following Outcry From Koch Brothers And Heritage

Hey, you scumbags. You broke it you bought it.

683 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:42:56am

re: #682 Romantic Heretic

Hey, you scumbags. You broke it you bought it.

The order I see it in my mind is: They bought it and then broke it.

684 Skip Intro  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:47:25am

re: #681 Dr Lizardo

Precisely. The Teahadis need to be treated like you’d treat a small child throwing a temper tantrum.

No, they need to be treated like a terrorist organization holding hostages.

685 Skip Intro  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:53:49am

re: #677 blueraven

If I were POTUS, I would probably take it. I don’t think the GOP will risk this again in 6 weeks and will quietly pass a longer debt limit increase at that time.

They want to continue with the shutdown. In 6 weeks they will be mud.

I wouldn’t. If they want a default, and refuse to budge, then the hell with them.

Let it happen, but be ready to run ads showing the idiot teabaggers saying a default is no big thing once the Dow drops the first 1000 points. These vermin have to be exterminated from the political process, once and for all. Let them go form their third party; the GOP deserves being disemboweled for having let this group of lunatics anywhere near the levers of power.

686 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 10, 2013 1:27:42pm

re: #571 Mattand

You’re in North Jersey. I had never heard of Bogota before Lonegan announced his run. Have you ever been there?

I keep thinking of Bogota the way I think of Michelle Bachmann’s district: I’m sure they’re nice people, but WTF, look who they elected to represent them.

Bogota is across from Hackensack but never actually visited the main part of town (I-80 runs through part of town). Its demographics aren’t that different from the immediately surrounding towns, so how he won his local office isn’t clear.

What is clear is that he has never won a statewide race until he won the GOP primary this year against an essentially empty field. That should tell you about his support.

Statewide GOPers are essentially voting not on what they know, but that he’s a GOPer, regardless of how batcrap insane the guy is.

And that wont give him any more than 40% of the vote even under the best circumstances. Turnout may be key in keeping the margin of his loss down, but Booker has name recognition and the resources - to say nothing of the fact that he can cogently explain his positions and doesn’t have to rely on race-baiting and other similar tactics.

687 Kaadred  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:28:40am

re: #640 Eclectic Cyborg

Can you one of you tech/developer people explain AGILE/Scrum to a non-techie?

I’m curious as to why it’s hated so. I have my suspicions of course, but not being in the industry, I’ve never seen the system firsthand.

Pretty much what Vicious Babushka said earlier about regular meetings and telling everyone what you need. Development cycles are way shorter - 2 to 4 weeks - than a more “traditional” project timeline (at least what I was doing about 4 years ago) where we’d draw up a plan for what we’d be doing over the course of several months and change it as things came up. We’d meet once a week, which sometimes seemed excessive, especially when the programmers were coding and we knew it would take several weeks before anything else could move ahead. With scrum/agile, I’ve heard of teams meeting daily which has the potential to waste time, especially for team members who may not have an immediate role to play.

It’s my understanding that the “traditional” PM methodology has fallen out of favor in the last few years and has been replaced by agile/scrum, particularly in the IT/tech fields. At least that what the guys reviewing my resume have been telling me….Here’s a link that may be interesting:

assets.scrumfoundation.com


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