CNN Video: Confederate Flag Front and Center at the White House

Did anyone consider the optics?
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Here’s CNN’s report on the right wing protest at the White House today, attended by both Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin, with that Confederate flag right in the front of the crowd. Notice: you don’t see anyone trying to get that guy holding the symbol of slavery to take it down.

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1 makeitstop  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:23:04pm

Unfortunately, none of them are quite bright enough to consider the optics.

If ain’t ain’t pure, blind rage, they can’t grasp it.

/ I wish

2 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:23:26pm
3 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:23:53pm

IT’S A PLANT!!!!!!!!!!!as usual

4 austin_blue  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:24:13pm

He looks like a crank-addicted dirtbag, but that can’t be right, can it?

5 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:24:18pm

Hasn’t CNN hit rock bottom yet?

6 Aqua Obama  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:25:11pm

Guy at 1:42 looks like Lenin. Obviously a plant!

7 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:27:28pm

Police put on riot gear because they were stacking the barricades on the fence line where they could be used to scale the White House fence. - later CNN report

8 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:28:56pm

I’m glad that Edward James Olmos isn’t around to have and see this.

//

9 Belafon  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:33:32pm

re: #7 b.d.

Yeah, that would have been a great scene: People climb barricades, enter the White House lawn, and are seen running across it carrying a Confederate Battle Flag.

10 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:34:07pm

re: #8 b.d.

I’m glad that Edward James Olmos isn’t around to have and see this.

//

Rub it in why doncha.
Jerk.
:P

11 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:34:34pm

These asshats make me SICK. *spit*

12 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:35:52pm

re: #9 Belafon

Yeah, that would have been a great scene: People climb barricades, enter the White House lawn, and are seen running across it carrying a Confederate Battle Flag.

FREEDOM!!1!

13 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:36:07pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

Me too.

14 Weet  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:36:57pm

Wow, my love of football almost made me miss this great reporting! Is it going to be on the evening news?

Love the wikileaks vs Greenwald story. LMAO!

15 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:37:06pm

re: #9 Belafon

Yeah, that would have been a great scene: People climb barricades, enter the White House lawn, and are seen running across it carrying a Confederate Battle Flag.

Get epically tackled by Secret Service agents.

16 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:37:24pm

It’s kind of weird how CNN’s announcers seem to be ignoring the Confederate flag even though it’s right there in the center of their picture. Eventually one of them does mention the “rebel flag,” but it’s like it’s not really a big deal.

Yes. IT IS A FUCKING BIG DEAL. This is very, very bad craziness.

17 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:42:31pm
18 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:43:18pm

re: #2 Lidane

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On and after February 22, 1863, all free negroes within the limits of the Southern Confederacy shall be placed on the slave status, and be deemed to be chattels, they and their issue forever.

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?

19 Single-handed sailor  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:43:33pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

It’s kind of weird how CNN’s announcers seem to be ignoring the Confederate flag even though it’s right there in the center of their picture. Eventually one of them does mention the “rebel flag,” but it’s like it’s not really a big deal.

Yes. IT IS A FUCKING BIG DEAL. This is very, very bad craziness.

CNN is from Georgia, they probably don’t see a problem.

20 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:45:41pm

re: #18 chadu

I’ve never wanted to nut-punch a dead man so much.

21 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:47:19pm

re: #18 chadu

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?

Also, note that he keeps calling the Confederate policies conservative policies.

22 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:47:44pm

re: #18 chadu

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?

I like the snappy “We’ll get aid from the white countries, feel free to get help from the Africans, neener-neener” comment.

Because the South seceding wasn’t about slavery or racism.

23 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:47:55pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

It’s kind of weird how CNN’s announcers seem to be ignoring the Confederate flag even though it’s right there in the center of their picture. Eventually one of them does mention the “rebel flag,” but it’s like it’s not really a big deal.

Yes. IT IS A FUCKING BIG DEAL. This is very, very bad craziness.

Off course they’ll continue to claim that guy was a plant by the democrats.

24 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:48:17pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

So much of American media want to be seen as “fair and balanced” that they refuse to state the obvious even if it is staring them in the face.

25 EPR-radar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:49:03pm

re: #20 chadu

I’ve never wanted to nut-punch a dead man so much.

At the time, the US confederacy was described, accurately, as “the worst cause for which men have fought”.

Since then, there has been only one cause that was clearly worse.

26 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:49:05pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

It’s CNN. They’re terrified of anything that’s not “objective” reporting.

27 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:49:06pm

re: #22 The Ghost of a Flea

I like the snappy “We’ll get aid from the white countries, feel free to get help from the Africans, neener-neener” comment.

Because the South seceding wasn’t about slavery or racism.

That’s what many in the South who idolize the confederacy claim, but off course its utter nonsense.

28 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:49:14pm

re: #23 CriticalDragon1177

Off course they’ll continue to claim that guy was a plant by the democrats.

And the guy at the podium talking about putting down the Quran?

It’s hard to claim flag guy’s a plant when the shit your spokespeople say is just as ugly.

29 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:49:28pm

James Brown just mentioned how the entire list of top trending Twitter topics were about the NFL.

Heck of a rally there for ya GOP.

30 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:49:57pm

re: #24 freetoken

So much of American media want to be seen as “fair and balanced” that they refuse to state the obvious even if it is staring them in the face.

Its CNN we’re talking about here. Its “Fox News” that claims to be “fair and balanced”

31 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:50:51pm

re: #27 CriticalDragon1177

That’s what many in the South who idolize the confederacy claim, but off course its utter nonsense.

The only way that you can look at the Confederacy and claim that it’s not about slavery, or racism is by total historical illiteracy. Or deliberate ignorance.

32 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:50:54pm

re: #23 CriticalDragon1177

Off course they’ll continue to claim that guy was a plant by the democrats.

Then why was the crowd nicer to the plant then they would have been to John McCain if he was in the crowd?

33 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:51:17pm

re: #28 The Ghost of a Flea

And the guy at the podium talking about putting down the Quran?

It’s hard to claim flag guy’s a plant when the shit your spokespeople say is just as ugly.

I know, but when have people refusing to accept reality and promoting conspiracy theories when things don’t turn out the way they expect them to, ever been reasonable?

34 EPR-radar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:51:59pm

re: #2 Lidane

The problem with Eric’s tweet is that people that wave the confederate flag pretty much agree with Jeff Davis’ response to the Emancipation Proclamation.

35 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:52:16pm
36 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:53:24pm

ABC has their own spin, with this headline:

Thousands Protest Closures During ‘Million Vet March’

I’m not even sure the plural is appropriate. Are there multiples of “thousand” people at that rally?

37 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:54:02pm

This is really the ugly, ugly side of the US.

Why didn’t CNN point that out?

38 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:54:16pm

re: #36 freetoken

ABC has their own spin, with this headline:

Thousands Protest Closures During ‘Million Vet March’

I’m not even sure the plural is appropriate. Are there multiples of “thousand” people at that rally?

I’d be surprised if there were even a thousand people. The photos I’ve seen look more like a few hundred.

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:55:17pm

re: #34 EPR-radar

The problem with Eric’s tweet is that people that wave the confederate flag pretty much agree with Jeff Davis’ response to the Emancipation Proclamation.

And what’s really cringe-inducing is the fact they see not a damned thing wrong with that agreement.

40 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:55:50pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

I’m not sure if ABC is even using the right photo for the story. The story is supposed to be about the Cruz/Palin gathering, which I thought was at a different locale, but the photo looks like it is from the White House.

41 EPR-radar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:55:51pm

re: #31 Lidane

The only way that you can look at the Confederacy and claim that it’s not about slavery, or racism is by total historical illiteracy. Or deliberate ignorance.

People who spout this idiocy need the 100 ton troll hammer. en.wikipedia.org

From the infamous cornerstone speech

The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away… Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the “storm came and the wind blew, it fell.”

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition.

42 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:56:01pm

re: #37 Justanotherhuman

This is really the ugly, ugly side of the US.

Why didn’t CNN point that out?

Because they’re a shitty excuse for a news network. They’re so obsessed with being “fair” to both sides that pointing out the Confederate flag and pointing out the batshit crazy involved in waving that flag would give them hives.

43 abolitionist  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:56:31pm

Maybe this belongs in an earlier thread. Maybe not.
Tommy Emmanuel - 2 Songs at the same time

Kinda reminds of what Billy Burke said about Revolution being a fictional story of Americans “coping with diversity”. I think he meant adversity, of course, but it would be great if Americans could be better at both.

44 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:56:54pm

re: #35 Lidane

Moran nails it and has 1.2M followers.

Congratulations team GOP.

45 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:57:08pm

re: #25 EPR-radar

At the time, the US confederacy was described, accurately, as “the worst cause for which men have fought”.

Since then, there has been only one cause that was clearly worse.

Okay, that’s three wars my pasty white fatass would’ve fought in, given a choice. Will fight in, if someone has a TARDIS.

(Independence, Nazis, Civil War).

*spit*

46 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:58:24pm

That ABC story is rapidly attracting all the usual haters, in gang fashion.

These people are angry, but they are not being honest about why they are angry.

47 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:58:50pm

re: #28 The Ghost of a Flea

And the guy at the podium talking about putting down the Quran?

Fuck it, I’m pulling out my copy of the Quran for more detailed reading.

48 jvic  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:59:56pm

1. What’s all the fuss about? Just a few patriots expressing their support for individual liberty and states’ rights.

2. Besides, people fought bravely for the Confederacy. We’re just commemorating their courage.

3. I mean, people fought bravely for the Third Reich too. You wouldn’t criticize people parading around with swas…okay, nevermind.

4. In case it needs stating, the above points are sarcasm. I have never been thrilled about the Confederate flag, but my mind became fully made up when someone pointed out that slavery was hardwired into the Confederate constitution.

5. This is not to deny the valor, though misguided or perverted, of many who fought for the Confederacy. If a way can be found to acknowledge that valor without a linkage to slavery, that would be okay with me.

6. The heroism of the Thermopylae 300 is honored, notwithstanding that Sparta was a slave state. Maybe someday the Confederate flag will be decoupled from its association with slavery, but not in the foreseeable future.

49 Dr. Matt  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:00:56pm

They teahadists continue to insist the idiot with the confederate rag was a “plant”.

50 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:01:50pm

The racism that existed, and still exists, in this country is appalling. While reading about lynchings when responding to someone’s Page the other day, came across this in the description of a photo. Emphasis added:

District Judge Caruthers convened a grand jury in June 1911 to investigate the lynching of the Laura Nelson and her son. In his instructions to the jury, he said,

“The people of the state have said by recently adopted constitutional provision that the race to which the unfortunate victims belonged should in large measure be divorced from participation in our political contests, because of their known racial inferiority and their dependent credulity, which very characteristic made them the mere tool of the designing and cunning. It is well known that I heartily concur in this constitutional provision of the people’s will. The more then does the duty devolve upon us of a superior race and of greater intelligence to protect this weaker race from unjustifiable and lawless attacks.”

Source: Wikipedia [warning: graphic image]

Reading this kind of shit makes me choke with shame & rage. That fucking Dixie POS rag those racist cretins are proudly waving in front of the WH represents the above and much, much worse.

Gah! I need to step away form the kyeboard for a minute. BBL

51 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:02:17pm
52 ObserverArt  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:05:32pm

That clip from CNN is so like what john Stewart was saying about them a few weeks back with their coverage of the Naval Yard shooting. I love how they keep that camera tight. Probably if you moved back a couple feet you’d see all 50 protesters. I never watch CNN. Now I now why.

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:05:52pm

re: #51 Lidane

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I am somewhat amused that there was an obvious typo in the sign where someone had to squeeze in and add an “S” to what was obviously “REPECT” on the original sign.

But only “somewhat amused”…

54 SnowdenBaggerVance  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:06:32pm

DC crowd pushes through barriers to WWII Memorial

Examples of Right Wing Dysfunctional Logic for $500, Alex.

55 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:06:40pm

re: #52 ObserverArt

I love how they keep that camera tight.

The Optics of … optics.

56 jaunte  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:08:30pm

re: #54 SnowdenBaggerVance

“Let me ask a simple question,” Cruz told the crowd of hundreds that gathered beginning at 9 a.m. “Why is the federal government spending money to erect barricades to keep veterans out of this memorial?”

Ted Cruz, cementing his historical place as a piece of stoolcorn.

57 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:08:53pm

re: #51 Lidane

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58 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:09:06pm

re: #37 Justanotherhuman

This is really the ugly, ugly side of the US.

Why didn’t CNN point that out?

Because they don’t want to alienate or offend viewers. Even violent protests get labeled things like “mostly peaceful” because they don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. “News” is just filler between commercials for boner pills and detergent.

59 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:09:58pm

re: #49 Dr. Matt

They teahadists continue to insist the idiot with the confederate rag was a “plant”.

Even when caught with your pants down, deny, deny, deny.

And feint.

60 SnowdenBaggerVance  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:10:20pm
“Let me ask a simple question,” Cruz told the crowd of hundreds that gathered beginning at 9 a.m. “Why is the federal government spending money to erect barricades to keep veterans out of this memorial?”

Because Obama hates WWII vets. And Puppies. He really hates them both.

61 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:10:51pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

“News” is just filler between commercials for boner pills and detergent.

… and automobiles. Don’t miss the latest deal on that Ford Focus.

62 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:11:06pm
63 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:11:35pm
64 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:12:16pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Because they don’t want to alienate or offend viewers. Even violent protests get labeled things like “mostly peaceful” because they don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. “News” is just filler between commercials for boner pills and detergent.

Which reminds me

I have to check the status of my mail order

(wait ,, damn,, did I type that out loud !?!?)

65 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:12:53pm

Totally O/T, but best Halloween costume ever!

Image: 1378580_354360254710092_317290018_n.jpg

66 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:12:53pm

On a different topic (well, unless the President really does have a Quran to “put down”), this should draw some hate:

In push for Muslim school holiday, some Montgomery students will stay home

67 jaunte  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:13:12pm
68 Aqua Obama  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:13:24pm

I’m not even sure if I saw Communist flags front and center at an ANSWER rally, although some of them were just as bad. One of the ones I took pictures of had some anarchist assholes spraypainting the White House steps.

69 jaunte  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:14:30pm
70 Aqua Obama  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:14:52pm
71 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:15:52pm

One Mexican Flag at an immigration rally is the end of the world and the word plant is never mentioned, this however….

72 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:16:59pm

re: #69 jaunte

I sorta want anyone there who is waving a Confederate Flag to be arrested. I wouldn’t be against a law in the US that is like the Law in Germany banning the Nazi flag for the Confederate Battle Flag.

73 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:18:06pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

People who spout this idiocy need the 100 ton troll hammer. en.wikipedia.org

From the infamous cornerstone speech

Also this (from Davis’ response to the Emancipation Proclamation):

In view of these facts, and conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man,—and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent,—and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future. — Jefferson Davis.

So that there may be no misunderstanding in the future.

74 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:18:18pm

re: #72 ProTARDISLiberal

No.

75 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:18:35pm

If the guy holding the confederate flag is a plant does that mean that Joe the plumber is also a plant?

76 GeneJockey  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:18:59pm

re: #17 Lidane

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However, Daniel Larison also wrote penetrating analysis of why the GOP would not retake the House in 2010, so there’s that.

77 SnowdenBaggerVance  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:19:31pm

re: #75 Iwouldprefernotto

If the guy holding the confederate flag is a plant does that mean that Joe the plumber is also a plant?

Yes. He’s a Douche Orchid.

78 jaunte  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:19:36pm

re: #72 ProTARDISLiberal

Not constitutional. We’ll just have to disapprove and speak against.

79 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:19:53pm

re: #70 Carlos Danger

But we are assured:

The FN has expelled overtly racist activists and selected a number of ethnic minority candidates for local elections, as well as increasing its focus on policy issues other than immigration and the EU.

AFP, doing their best to emulate CNN?

80 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:20:58pm

re: #72 ProTARDISLiberal

I sorta want anyone there who is waving a Confederate Flag to be arrested. I wouldn’t be against a law in the US that is like the Law in Germany banning the Nazi flag for the Confederate Battle Flag.

{sigh}

81 Aqua Obama  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:21:31pm

re: #79 freetoken

Policy issues, like… starve the Roma?

Yeah, that’s a difference

82 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:21:35pm
83 dog philosopher  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:21:37pm

u just hav got no REPECT!

84 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:22:26pm

re: #49 Dr. Matt

They teahadists continue to insist the idiot with the confederate rag was a “plant”.

They all have the IQ of a plant.

85 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:22:54pm

And of course Pam chips in:

86 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:23:00pm

re: #72 ProTARDISLiberal

The First Amendment, how does it work?

Yes, the Confederacy was about slavery and racism and about subjugating an entire race as property. Anyone who says otherwise is a historical illiterate. That’s no reason to arrest people with the flag. Educating people about history goes a lot farther than throwing them behind bars for an idea you don’t like.

87 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:23:14pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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They only wanted to shut down the services to, you know, those other people.

88 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:23:31pm

Joy

The FN has expelled overtly racist activists

89 jvic  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:23:43pm

re: #72 ProTARDISLiberal

I sorta want anyone there who is waving a Confederate Flag to be arrested. I wouldn’t be against a law in the US that is like the Law in Germany banning the Nazi flag for the Confederate Battle Flag.

There is always a “good reason” to erode the First Amendment…just in a single compelling instance, of course.

90 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:24:00pm

re: #86 Lidane

Seeing that Flag instantly makes me angry. It’s a sign of Treason.

91 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:24:39pm

re: #72 ProTARDISLiberal

I sorta want anyone there who is waving a Confederate Flag to be arrested. I wouldn’t be against a law in the US that is like the Law in Germany banning the Nazi flag for the Confederate Battle Flag.

First Amendment and all of the Constitution comes with a price.
Either it applies equally to all or to no one but the privileged.

It would have been much better had a real veteran been RIGHT THERE and ON CAMERA taking that asshat to task.
Sadly, that did not happen this time…

92 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:25:13pm

re: #90 ProTARDISLiberal

Seeing that Flag instantly makes me angry. It’s a sign of Treason.

You still can’t arrest people for an idea you don’t like. It’s right there in the Constitution that the Confederates opposed.

93 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:25:21pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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Because they think it was Obama and not them that actually shut down the government.

94 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:25:46pm

This seems manufactured:

GOP: Dem request for higher spending hurting deal chances

Several Republican senators said Sunday a Democratic request to increase government spending is hurting chances of a deal to end the 13-day-old shutdown.

Leaders of the Democratic-led Senate were dismissive of a proposal Saturday, in part, because it kept in place for too long the automatic spending cuts that went into effect earlier this year. Another round of those decade-long cuts — dubbed the sequester and approved by Congress and the White House in 2011 — is expected in January.

[…]

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky. said that maintaining spending cuts is the same for Republicans as maintaining the Affordable Care Act is for Democrats.

“They’re all about Obamacare being the law of the land, but so’s the sequester,” he said on CNN’s State of the Union with Candy Crowley. “If we exceed that, it’s real big step in the wrong direction.”

Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn. said House Republicans went too far in their initial proposals by trying to force repeal or delay of the new health care law as part of legislation needed to keep parts of the government open when money ran out with the end of the fiscal year Sept. 30. Now, he said, Senate Democrats are oing the same with their bid to end the sequester and increase spending.

[…]

So, let me see if I get this right. According to Sen. Corker:

{closing down the gov’t == trying to end sequester}

One thing doesn’t seem like the other to me.

95 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:25:58pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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Only the services that inconvenience them. WIC and EBT is only for *those* Obama voters. (Although how many teahadis work at Walmart? They are a special kind of stupid.)

96 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:26:15pm

re: #83 dog philosopher

u just hav got no REPECT!

Aretha is just shaking her head in disgust…

97 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:26:17pm

re: #49 Dr. Matt

They teahadists continue to insist the idiot with the confederate rag was a “plant”.

Okay fine, but if that’s the case then why isn’t anybody trying to make the guy put it down or otherwise confronting him about it?

This question cannot be asked enough.

98 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:26:37pm
99 Teukka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:26:51pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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I just keep wondering when things reach the level where all take notice that the people are well and truly certifiable?

I mean, with my personal experiences, these people are clearly “unwell”.

100 Aqua Obama  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:27:46pm

re: #72 ProTARDISLiberal

“I’ll show you what a real tyrant looks like!” said Obama, as he pointed his scepter and banished the confederates to the Seventh Circle of Guantanamo.

101 dog philosopher  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:27:51pm

re: #93 Eclectic Cyborg

Because they think it was Obama and not them that actually shut down the government.

i find it difficult to credit that most of the people heard mouthing this BS are actually stupid enough to really believe it

102 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:28:13pm

I love the media headlines on the debt negotiations.

-Senate leader says talks with GOP were ‘productive’
-Senate Leaders Talk but Fail to Reach Deal on Shutdown
-Senate in talks to end US fiscal impasse, deal elusive
-Fiscal deals now focus on sequester, amid little Capitol Hill optimism about quick fix
-GOP says deal chances hurt by new Dem request for higher spending

Choose your own reality!

103 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:28:48pm

“Notice: you don’t see anyone trying to get that guy holding the symbol of slavery to take it down.”

And I wouldn’t expect to given that the Republicans party has no problems whatsoever with Tea Party-style racism. Glad that CNN captured this in-your-face display of racism. Apparently there were chants of “go home” directed towards the Obamas at this protest as well. Nice.

104 ObserverArt  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:29:10pm

re: #83 dog philosopher

u just hav got no REPECT!

Try singing the song without that “S”! You’d get no respect.

Actually I think the sign was phonically spelled like it sounds to a toothless person. Hmmmm.

105 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:29:28pm

re: #72 ProTARDISLiberal

I sorta want anyone there who is waving a Confederate Flag to be arrested. I wouldn’t be against a law in the US that is like the Law in Germany banning the Nazi flag for the Confederate Battle Flag.

He totally WOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED in the 1860’s.

A guy burned the flag in 1862. He was hanged.

106 DelusionDeluge  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:30:01pm

I wouldn’t just dismiss this crowd and those like them as crazy. Most are completely clear-eyed, proud assholes.

107 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:30:04pm

re: #90 ProTARDISLiberal

Seeing that Flag instantly makes me angry. It’s a sign of Treason.

Yet, you propose to bring in refugees to overwhelm Appalachia.
You really do need to think far, far beyond your kneejerk anger at everything that just pisses you off. Your “solutions” to problems in the world and right here in the USA are just totally nonsensical.

108 dog philosopher  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:30:12pm

re: #100 Carlos Danger

“I’ll show you what a real tyrant looks like!” said Obama, as he pointed his scepter and banished the confederates to the Seventh Circle of Guantanamo.

all the anti-obama protests are actually being conducted patriots arrested and confined in socialist FEMA camps, but the mainstream media is not allowed to tell you that part

109 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:30:13pm

re: #101 dog philosopher

i find it difficult to credit that most of the people heard mouthing this BS are actually stupid enough to really believe it

You would be surprised. Many TP people on my FB feed have been openly blaming Obama for this mess since it began.

110 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:30:39pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

I love the media headlines on the debt negotiations.

-Senate leader says talks with GOP were ‘productive’
-Senate Leaders Talk but Fail to Reach Deal on Shutdown
-Senate in talks to end US fiscal impasse, deal elusive
-Fiscal deals now focus on sequester, amid little Capitol Hill optimism about quick fix
-GOP says deal chances hurt by new Dem request for higher spending

Godzilla Attacks Los Angeles. Massive destruction and death. Film at 11 after the game!

Choose your own reality!

111 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:31:15pm

re: #90 ProTARDISLiberal

Seeing that Flag instantly makes me angry. It’s a sign of Treason.

Okay. Let’s have some perspective.

A lot of the people that signed up to go fight for the south were sixteen, seventeen, eighteen year old boys. They grew up inculcated in a system of white supremacy and, if they were from genteel classes, often didn’t see slaves abused at all, and if they were from the dirt-poor class, which was large, didn’t live a lot better than slaves. Even the men older than that didn’t have much chance of a formal education unless they were wealthy. Most of those schmucks joining up were racists, sure, but they’d been taught to be racists, by expert racists.

The people flying those flags out there on the front lines are unlikely to be the actual David Duke figures, the actual guys who have power, get money. They’re the equivalent of that eighteen year old kid getting sent to go fight the Union. They’ve been taught the bad lies and believed them.

The average asshole waving a confederate flag is not my enemy. I’ve met plenty of people like that, who are at heart decent people who have been taught lots of incorrect information.

The answer, as it is to pretty much every fucking problem in the world, is education. The answer is to educate citizenry that it wasn’t a fight of a bunch of racist white people fighting to preserve slavery against a bunch of freedom-loving dudes, but a small but politically powerful cadre of either real racists or total heartless cynics who created and perpetuated the slave trade, and while you’re at it talk about factory conditions in the North so they see that nice race-class intersectionality. It was not an inevitable historical economic outcome, it was a choice and the choice allowed some people to profit hugely. The same was true for abuse of workers in factories.

The same people are trying to profit now. The same people want power and influence on the backs of people they’ve miseducated, and if you spend your time hating the people they’ve miseducated you’re doing exactly what they want you to do.

112 Aqua Obama  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:31:51pm

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

What, forced resettlements totally worked for Basil the Bulgar Slayer!

113 GeneJockey  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:32:11pm

re: #110 sattv4u2

As a resident of NorCal, I prefer to see Gozilla tearing up the home of the much-hated Dodgers.

Go, Go, Godzilla!

114 dog philosopher  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:32:22pm

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

You would be surprised. Many TP people on my FB feed have been openly blaming Obama for this mess since it began.

hook them up to an EEG and check for brain function

115 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:33:49pm

Even Yahoo is in on the action.

This woman is so damned disingenuous and such a liar, it hurts to read this.

Sarah Palin stands with WWII vets, stumps for N.J. Senate candidate

news.yahoo.com

If only I believed in hell…

116 Skip Intro  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:34:35pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am somewhat amused that there was an obvious typo in the sign where someone had to squeeze in and add an “S” to what was obviously “REPECT” on the original sign.

But only “somewhat amused”…

They did spell “our” right, which surprises me.

117 Aqua Obama  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:34:50pm

Oh, got a angry recorded voice on the message machine blaming Obama for the shutdown and his ARMY OF IRS AGENTS.

Yeah, you tell em GOP.

118 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:35:59pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

People who spout this idiocy need the 100 ton troll hammer. en.wikipedia.org

From the infamous cornerstone speech

Wow. So chilling. And crazy that there are Americans who support such nonsense. You can completely understand why racists are shocked at President Obama’s two electoral wins given that they believe that Blacks should perpetually be in submission to their race.

119 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:36:44pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

I love the media headlines on the debt negotiations.

Choose your own reality!

This is very much akin to to so called “business reporting” on gold and oil price movements.

On any given today one can find countless headlines that openly contradict each other on why, for example, gold goes up or down.

The “News” industry has always relied on fabrication. The basic human phenomenon of believing what is written is truth (writing is magickal, after all) has been the underpinning of the “News” industry for a long time.

120 Skip Intro  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:37:07pm

re: #28 The Ghost of a Flea

And the guy at the podium talking about putting down the Quran?

It’s hard to claim flag guy’s a plant when the shit your spokespeople say is just as ugly.

That “guy” is crazed birther “lawyer” Larry KKKlayman.

Check him out, and notice that Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz had no problem being at the same event.

121 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:37:20pm

re: #26 Lidane

It’s CNN. They’re terrified of anything that’s not “objective” reporting.

It’s not just CNN. Nobody among the broadcasters seem to have hardly noticed. The blogs are a different story. Even MSNBC missed it.
Goggle 1
Google2

This is a bigger story than CNN missing it. This is the state of affairs at all our media. Not just our favorite villains.

122 Aqua Obama  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:39:06pm

So, what’s the over/under on the stock market tomorrow…?

//

123 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:42:08pm

re: #72 ProTARDISLiberal

I sorta want anyone there who is waving a Confederate Flag to be arrested. I wouldn’t be against a law in the US that is like the Law in Germany banning the Nazi flag for the Confederate Battle Flag.

Not sure about arresting them, but it should be condemned just like the swastika is universally condemned.

124 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:43:13pm

You know how shocked and dismayed reasonable right leaners like myself get at Fox right? Welcome to my experience except this time it’s just about across the damn board. Please no one think I’m diluting the point Charles makes here. Quite the opposite.

125 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:43:17pm
126 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:43:41pm

For some reason the whole Scalia et Satan thing seems to fit here - it’s been Paged before but it’s worth a re-look:

Scalia and the devil

Did Justice Antonin Scalia have to announce his belief in a literal Satan less than a month before the U.S. Supreme Court is scheduled to hear argument on government-led prayer? Yes, he probably did.

Someone asked him.

[…]

“You’re looking at me as though I’m weird. My God! Are you so out of touch with most of America, most of which believes in the devil? […] Many more intelligent people than you or me have believed in the devil.”

Scalia’s right. One of the more recent surveys, a 2007 Gallup poll, shows belief in the devil rising, with a huge majority saying Satan is real.

Only 55 percent of the U.S. public believed in the reality of the devil in 1990. By 2007 that figure had risen to 70 percent, not many fewer than the 86 percent who said they believe in God.


[…]

Escapism, delusion, call it what you will. Our society is becoming less rational, in the sense of critical thinking anyway. We’re just emotional toys for the skilled propagandist.

Our culture has seemingly changed so much in the last 500 years, but remember our brains are still fundamentally the same as they were tens of thousands of years ago.

127 SpaceJesus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:44:24pm
128 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:44:44pm

re: #123 Patricia Kayden

Not sure about arresting them, but it should be condemned just like the swastika is universally condemned.

“not sure” about arresting them? For what,, stupidity??

We’re gonna need a LOT more jails!!!

129 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:45:19pm

re: #106 DelusionDeluge

I wouldn’t just dismiss this crowd and those like them as crazy. Most are completely clear-eyed, proud assholes.

QFT

These people are not crazy. These people are very much enjoying their paranoia and hate, and have sufficient “rationality” to channel it towards their own selfish agenda.

They like being angry. They like that their anger seems to get them what they want. They like the reaction they get when they upset or cow people. They like not empathizing, because it makes them feel superior.

130 Skip Intro  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:47:03pm

re: #129 The Ghost of a Flea

QFT

These people are not crazy. These people are very much enjoying their paranoia and hate, and have sufficient “rationality” to channel it towards their own selfish agenda.

They like being angry. They like that their anger seems to get them what they want. They like the reaction they get when they upset or cow people. They like not empathizing, because it makes them feel superior.

What they really like is that they no longer have to pretend otherwise. Sarah Palin and the new GOP have made it all acceptable.

131 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:47:05pm

re: #47 chadu

And my Quran has gone missing in the Pile of Books (tm).

Dammit.

132 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:47:57pm

re: #48 jvic

Well said.

133 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:47:59pm

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

You would be surprised. Many TP people on my FB feed have been openly blaming Obama for this mess since it began.

But thankfully, Americans for the most part have put the blame on the Republicans. Even when they cave, this is going to hurt the Republicans (or so I hope).

134 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:48:23pm

re: #126 freetoken

That’s just infuckingcredible.

Blame your actions, your thoughts, on some imaginary character? It certainly fits the picture of ignorance.

And this man is in an exalted position in the govt? Even more incredible.

135 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:50:45pm
136 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:50:51pm

re: #134 Justanotherhuman

That’s just infuckingcredible.

Blame your actions, your thoughts, on some imaginary character? It certainly fits the picture of ignorance.

And this man is in an exalted position in the govt? Even more incredible.

The thing that gets me is that he justifies the belief on account if its being “Catholic dogma”. Apparently that’s enough; Heaven forfend that he might actually spend any time thinking about it.

137 sagehen  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:51:00pm

re: #73 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Also this (from Davis’ response to the Emancipation Proclamation):

So that there may be no misunderstanding in the future.

So that there may be no misunderstanding in the future.
So that there may be no misunderstanding in the future.
So that there may be no misunderstanding in the future.
So that there may be no misunderstanding in the future.
So that there may be no misunderstanding in the future.
So that there may be no misunderstanding in the future.

Nothing to add, just thought more emphasis and repetition would not go amiss.

138 Aqua Obama  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:51:06pm

Guaranteed to piss you off:

Nightmare in Maryville: Teens’ sexual encounter ignites a firestorm against family

Few dispute the basic facts of what happened in the early morning hours of Jan. 8, 2012: A high school senior had sex with Coleman’s 14-year-old daughter, another boy did the same with her daughter’s 13-year-old friend, and a third student video-recorded one of the bedding scenes. Interviews and evidence initially supported the felony and misdemeanor charges that followed.

Yet, two months later, the Nodaway County prosecutor dropped the felony cases against the youths, one the grandson of a longtime area political figure.

The incident sparked outrage in the community, though the worst of it was directed not at the accused perpetrators but at a victim and her family. In the months that followed, Coleman lost her job, and her children were routinely harassed. When it became too much, they left, retreating east to Albany.

139 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:51:28pm

re: #126 freetoken

Curious about the 16% gap between those who believe in God and those who believe in the Devil.

140 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:52:10pm

As NASCAR goes, so will go the tea partying GOP?

Struggling Nascar’s Plan to Get Back in Gear

ESPN is a repository for all kinds of sports, but as of 2015, it will no longer carry NASCAR, perhaps the most God-and-country of all American sports. What was one of the hottest properties in U.S. sports a decade ago has become a loser for networks as ratings fade, sponsors flee and ticket sales drop.

In many ways NASCAR finds itself becoming a sports analogue of the Republican solidly: popular in red states but with a declining base that skews old, white, Southern—and in NASCAR’s case down-market. The question now is whether it’s too late to attract the younger, more diverse audience NASCAR needs to grow.

[…]

It’s from a week ago but I think the basic premise of the parallel in demographics will hold.

141 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:52:22pm

re: #139 ProTARDISLiberal

Coherent Deists?

142 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:52:29pm

re: #72 ProTARDISLiberal

I sorta want anyone there who is waving a Confederate Flag to be arrested. I wouldn’t be against a law in the US that is like the Law in Germany banning the Nazi flag for the Confederate Battle Flag.

I neither up- or down-ding this.

I feel your emotion, but hey, First Amendment.

People can say almost any filth they want to. So can we.

143 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:53:34pm

re: #73 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Also this (from Davis’ response to the Emancipation Proclamation):

So that there may be no misunderstanding in the future.

Fuck Jeff Davis beyond death with spoons.

144 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:54:08pm

re: #139 ProTARDISLiberal

Curious about the 16% gap between those who believe in God and those who believe in the Devil.

It used to be even larger. I think my parents and practically everyone else I knew while I was growing up were probably in that demographic.

145 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:54:38pm
146 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:56:21pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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OFFS

147 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:57:36pm

re: #138 Carlos Danger

Between this and Steubenville, I get the feeling that towns between 10,000-20,000 are rather toxic to live in.

148 sagehen  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:59:18pm

re: #94 freetoken

This seems manufactured:

GOP: Dem request for higher spending hurting deal chances

Total bullshit.

Reid and Boehner several months ago came to an agreement — continue at sequester funding levels, and a clean CR and debt ceiling increase.

House refused to appoint anyone to the conference committee to get it done; even though the senate asked 18 times.

House stalled and stalled and stalled, then 3 weeks ago Boehner added a bunch of conditions to the CR. Reid told him to go fuck himself. House Budget committee changed the rules so only the Speaker or Majority Leader can bring the bill to the floor (used to be, if it goes back and forth a few times between House and Senate, then eventually ANY member of the house can bring up the Senate Bill and demand a House vote).

Reid is still, to this day, willing to go by the sequester levels, for a clean CR and debt ceiling increase. The only people talking about wanting to roll back the sequester and increase spending are bloggers who don’t have a seat at the table.

149 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:00:57pm

So does the new Samsung Galaxy wrist phone mean that we’re going to have the pleasure of hearing both sides of a cell phone call?

150 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:01:07pm

re: #147 ProTARDISLiberal

Between this and Steubenville, I get the feeling that towns between 10,000-20,000 are rather toxic to live in.

{sigh}

151 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:02:20pm

re: #119 freetoken

This is very much akin to to so called “business reporting” on gold and oil price movements.

On any given today one can find countless headlines that openly contradict each other on why, for example, gold goes up or down.

The “News” industry has always relied on fabrication. The basic human phenomenon of believing what is written is truth (writing is magickal, after all) has been the underpinning of the “News” industry for a long time.

Treasury auctions are always among my favorites. The same auction will get different headlines from the same news agency. “Record breaking Treasury sale exceeds estimates” and “Bond sale disappoints, indicates troubled economy”.

152 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:03:04pm

re: #147 ProTARDISLiberal

Between this and Steubenville, I get the feeling that towns between 10,000-20,000 are rather toxic to live in.

Where do you come up with all this toxicity in your thought process?
Good freakin’ grief…

153 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:04:14pm

re: #94 freetoken

This seems manufactured:

GOP: Dem request for higher spending hurting deal chances

So, let me see if I get this right. According to Sen. Corker:

{closing down the gov’t == trying to end sequester}

One thing doesn’t seem like the other to me.

As I understand it, the whole argument from Dems go that they’re willing to lock the sequester numbers in for six weeks, but not six months because they know Republicans will try to use easing the sequester as a bargaining chip when large-scale talks begin on a long-term spending/debt deal. Repubs don’t want to give up that chip, because they figure if they do and Boehner’s forced to break the “Hastert Rule” to get the bill passed, then there’s no chance of getting any major legislation through for the rest of the year.

So, for those keeping score at home, the GOP drove us into a shutdown and now on the brink of a default without any escape route whatsoever, but the continued insistence that any deal they make can’t include actual concessions from them.

154 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:05:23pm

re: #148 sagehen

Total bullshit.

Reid and Boehner several months ago came to an agreement — continue at sequester funding levels, and a clean CR and debt ceiling increase.

House refused to appoint anyone to the conference committee to get it done; even though the senate asked 18 times.

House stalled and stalled and stalled, then 3 weeks ago Boehner added a bunch of conditions to the CR. Reid told him to go fuck himself. House Budget committee changed the rules so only the Speaker or Majority Leader can bring the bill to the floor (used to be, if it goes back and forth a few times between House and Senate, then eventually ANY member of the house can bring up the Senate Bill and demand a House vote).

Reid is still, to this day, willing to go by the sequester levels, for a clean CR and debt ceiling increase. The only people talking about wanting to roll back the sequester and increase spending are bloggers who don’t have a seat at the table.

Exactly. Most of the “liberal” media are steadfastly refusing to acknowledge that as recently as yesterday every single Republican Senator voted to filibuster beginning debate on a clean debt ceiling increase.

155 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:06:07pm

re: #130 Skip Intro

What they really like is that they no longer have to pretend otherwise. Sarah Palin and the new GOP have made it all acceptable.

I keep repeating, The basic idea of this current wave of conservative populism is that the vast majority of the country is not “real” and thus not entitled to franchise or rights.

But it’s deeper than that. It’s about feeling a social entitlement to hurt other people because they’re less than you.

It explains their positions on economics, social assistance, sex, violence, etc….

156 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:07:58pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

Where do you come up with all this toxicity in your thought process?
Good freakin’ grief…

Hence, the {sigh}

157 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:08:49pm

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yet, you propose to bring in refugees to overwhelm Appalachia.
You really do need to think far, far beyond your kneejerk anger at everything that just pisses you off. Your “solutions” to problems in the world and right here in the USA are just totally nonsensical.

Yeah, I gotta agree with this, PTL.

My heart vibrates along the same lines as yours, and then I recoil at your suggested execution.

158 Stanley Sea  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:10:37pm
159 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:11:12pm

Really, the whole impasse in Congress boils down to the GOP’s continued insistence that they get something for agreeing to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling, both items that they have admitted need to be done. And the DNC refuses to go along with any of these plans because they know that any deal will lead to talks, where any concessions they give up now will only motivate the GOP to push forward with demands for more concessions.

160 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:11:22pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

I haven’t heard about running a rape victim out of town in a big city though.

Though, yes, this is probably a thing in smaller localities. They are more likely to have the Good Ole Boy networks that allow people to get away with crimes like that.

161 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:12:39pm

You know what the metamorphosis of the GOP over the past 30-40 years reminds me of? Hellraiser—Frank Cotton opening that damned puzzle box and getting turned into Pinhead, not to mention also opening the portal allowing the Cenobites to come drooling & chattering out of their hellish realm.

162 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:13:33pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s kinda toxic, growing up there.

Gotta admit.

But this is from the inside, where PTL is outside, and needs to check himself.

163 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:13:34pm

re: #160 ProTARDISLiberal

I haven’t heard about running a rape victim out of town in a big city though.

Though, yes, this is probably a thing in smaller localities. They are more likely to have the Good Ole Boy networks that allow people to get away with crimes like that.

So, because YOU have never heard of it happening in a big city, it is probably just a thing in smaller localities…

I give up.

164 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:15:35pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, because YOU have never heard of it happening in a big city, it is probably just a thing in smaller localities…

I give up.

Want one of my {sigh}s???

165 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:15:47pm

re: #158 Stanley Sea

That is the most f’d up cognitive dissonance ever.

166 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:16:42pm

re: #161 CuriousLurker

You know what the metamorphosis of the GOP over the past 30-40 years reminds me of? Hellraiser—Frank Cotton opening that damned puzzle box and getting turned into Pinhead, not to mention also opening the portal allowing the Cenobites to come drooling & chattering out of their hellish realm.

Who are the Cenobites here?

167 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:18:29pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, because YOU have never heard of it happening in a big city, it is probably just a thing in smaller localities…

I give up.

Anecdata.

Jake, it’s Chinatown.

(hug)

168 Belafon  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:24:38pm

re: #158 Stanley Sea

Well, yeah. It’s spelled correctly the first time.

169 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:25:54pm

re: #142 chadu

I neither up- or down-ding this.

I feel your emotion, but hey, First Amendment.

People can say almost any filth they want to. So can we.

Thank you for this post. I was trying to find a good way to express that thought.

170 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:26:02pm

re: #129 The Ghost of a Flea

QFT

These people are not crazy. These people are very much enjoying their paranoia and hate, and have sufficient “rationality” to channel it towards their own selfish agenda.

They like being angry. They like that their anger seems to get them what they want. They like the reaction they get when they upset or cow people. They like not empathizing, because it makes them feel superior.

This brings up one of my favorite Cracked articles: 5 Reasons Humanity Desperately Wants Monsters to Be Real.

Hate makes you high.

171 Stanley Sea  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:29:16pm
172 Gus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:29:30pm
173 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:31:06pm

re: #166 chadu

Who are the Cenobites here?

The worst elements of the Tea Party.

174 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:31:39pm

Our Country is in deep trouble. We can’t talk to each other any more. Both sides talk past each neither willing to give an inch except some nonsensical talking points pounded out via pundits, lobbyists and professional political hacks and their staff. I watched the Sunday Morning talk shows..And really nothing has changed for years.
I would feel complete dispair, But when I was a kid The Vietnam war was raging, People were marching in the streets and Uncle Walter was reporting the estimated body count each night on the CBS news. The older boys marched off to war narey to return and every body else marched in the streets. There was hated each day in DC for politicians.
I remember the grainy black and white videos on our little tv of the wounded being taken to Helo’s in the jungle wondering what madness we have sunken too as a nation.
So fuck it..If this is the best you got America..Go fucking broke and get it over with..every body else around is bankrupt so fuck it.. Don’t worry GOP.. China is going down with us so don’t fret your pretty little heads
over it. If your subborn BS prevails America goes down and everybody with us. Take a fucking Bow GOP. Take a Bow..
*spit*

175 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:31:40pm

re: #172 Gus

flickr.com

Orly?

176 Bubblehead II  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:31:57pm

re: #72 ProTARDISLiberal

I sorta want anyone there who is waving a Confederate Flag to be arrested. I wouldn’t be against a law in the US that is like the Law in Germany banning the Nazi flag for the Confederate Battle Flag.

Well, you know there is this thing called the 1st Amendment and free speech.

That’s why you got a down ding from me. We’re not Germany.

Myself, let these ass hats out themselves instead of driving them underground. The more people who see thier ignorance and hatred, the better.

Just my two cents.

177 Gus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:32:06pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Orly?

Yep.

178 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:32:27pm

re: #167 chadu

Yes, I am being a little unfair to other towns of the same size. A closer look at Maryville reveals it has a history.

Raymond Gunn

The case received massive national publicity because it occurred outside the Southern “lynch belt”, because of its brazen and planned nature, and because the county sheriff did not activate National Guard troops that had been specifically deployed to prevent the lynching.
The case was frequently invoked in the unsuccessful attempt to pass the Wagner-Costigan Act during the presidency of Franklin Roosevelt, which would have made it a federal crime for law enforcement officials to refuse to try to prevent a lynching.

Steubinville is a former industrial city that lost its industry.

Maryville is way out in the boondocks of Missouri.

So let me amend my statement. Towns of large size that have a depravation issue of one sort or another are more likely to have issues like this.

179 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:33:23pm

re: #169 William Barnett-Lewis

Thank you for this post. I was trying to find a good way to express that thought.

We do what we can, because we must.

180 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:34:43pm

re: #178 ProTARDISLiberal


??? What does this mean?

181 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:34:52pm

re: #164 sattv4u2

Want one of my {sigh}s???

Keep those damned things to yourself.

If one gets into the common population no telling what destruction will be wrought.

182 GeneJockey  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:36:08pm

re: #129 The Ghost of a Flea

QFT

These people are not crazy. These people are very much enjoying their paranoia and hate, and have sufficient “rationality” to channel it towards their own selfish agenda.

They like being angry. They like that their anger seems to get them what they want. They like the reaction they get when they upset or cow people. They like not empathizing, because it makes them feel superior.

Hate feels more empowering than fear, and fear is what they feel. Or perhaps more accurately, anxiety. Modern American life makes anyone who’s paying attention anxious.

183 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:36:18pm

re: #174 HoosierHoops

Our Country is in deep trouble. We can’t talk to each other any more. Both sides talk past each neither willing to give an inch except some nonsensical talking points pounded out via pundits, lobbyists and professional political hacks and their staff. I watched the Sunday Morning talk shows..And really nothing has changed for years.

No, Hoops, what’s changed is the “other side” has become full-on insane,

184 EPR-radar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:36:35pm

re: #161 CuriousLurker

You know what the metamorphosis of the GOP over the past 30-40 years reminds me of? Hellraiser—Frank Cotton opening that damned puzzle box and getting turned into Pinhead, not to mention also opening the portal allowing the Cenobites to come drooling & chattering out of their hellish realm.

The analogy I like is to the Cthulhu mythology. Instead of ancient malignant beings sending out psychic emanations to drive the susceptible into evil and madness, we have Rush Limbaugh et al. performing that valuable service.

185 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:39:12pm

re: #180 DisturbedEma

I decided after the shaming to take a closer look at Maryville and Steubinville. I found they problems other wise, including the aforementioned lynching.

So I decided to backtrack and fix my statement after more information.

186 sagehen  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:44:06pm

re: #139 ProTARDISLiberal

Curious about the 16% gap between those who believe in God and those who believe in the Devil.

Jews, Muslims, 7th Day Adventists, Mennonites, Mormons, etc.

Basically any religious people who aren’t Catholic or Evangelical.

187 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:44:22pm

re: #170 Romantic Heretic

This brings up one of my favorite Cracked articles: 5 Reasons Humanity Desperately Wants Monsters to Be Real.

Hate makes you high.

And as for the “religious” aspect of the RW, these people are probably the most cynical on the planet. They know their hate and misanthropy are not going to send them to “hell” because they actually don’t believe in it. They may be full of superstition and ignorance, but their theology teaches them that they are always “forgiven” by their Christ and there are no consequences for what they do to harm others by their ideology or what they do in everyday life. That’s exactly where a lot of their anti-govt sentiment, and disdain for Pres Obama come from. They are so delusional about their own self-importance and “blessedness”, their disdain for others knows no bounds and if you don’t believe as they do, you’re doomed, both metaphysically and in reality because they will fight you before they let you get and keep your own freedom to live as you please as well as doing no harm to others. Their cynicism demands it, their theology demands it, their ideology demands it.

188 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:45:17pm

re: #178 ProTARDISLiberal

Yes, I am being a little unfair to other towns of the same size. A closer look at Maryville reveals it has a history.

Raymond Gunn

Steubinville is a former industrial city that lost its industry.

Maryville is way out in the boondocks of Missouri.

So let me amend my statement. Towns of large size that have a depravation issue of one sort or another are more likely to have issues like this.

I come from Canonsburg, PA.
en.wikipedia.org

I’m talking fucking small town roots.

Racism exists even in the smallest towns.

I cannot express fully the heat of the discussions I heard as a child about the Greeks, the Italians, the Sicilians, the French (?), and the Pollacks (actually, slamming together Polish, Slovenian, Slovakian, Austrian, Hungarian, etc.).

(Currently, I think the KKK has more members from Greene county than Washington county, but it’s close. And this is above the Mason-Dixon Line!)

Aw, fuck. At least we gave the world Perry Como and Bobby Vinton.

(drops mike)

189 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:50:12pm

re: #188 chadu

See, I have had those conversations at home you speak with Pollacks, so I get that.

Also, when I think of small town, I think of 5,000 or less. Canonsburg would be a medium town.

190 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:01:05pm

re: #188 chadu

Sweet Jebus, I might be the fifth most famous person from Canonsburg.

That is disquieting.

191 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:04:09pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

These asshats make me SICK. *spit*

Same with me.

192 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:07:12pm

re: #85 Vicious Babushka

And of course Pam chips in:


She never disappoints those looking for crazy!

193 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:12:07pm

re: #185 ProTARDISLiberal

I decided after the shaming to take a closer look at Maryville and Steubinville. I found they problems other wise, including the aforementioned lynching.

So I decided to backtrack and fix my statement after more information.

That’s the action of an adult. :)

194 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:13:42pm

re: #188 chadu

I come from Canonsburg, PA.
en.wikipedia.org

I’m talking fucking small town roots.

Racism exists even in the smallest towns.

I cannot express fully the heat of the discussions I heard as a child about the Greeks, the Italians, the Sicilians, the French (?), and the Pollacks (actually, slamming together Polish, Slovenian, Slovakian, Austrian, Hungarian, etc.).

(Currently, I think the KKK has more members from Greene county than Washington county, but it’s close. And this is above the Mason-Dixon Line!)

Aw, fuck. At least we gave the world Perry Como and Bobby Vinton.

(drops mike)

Half of our province is rural, and there is a tendency in the rural areas to be more racist, authoritarian and closed minded.

195 austin_blue  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 9:58:57pm

re: #177 Gus

Yep.

Nice Mikimotos…


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