Photo(s) of the Day: Great Moments in Republican Rebranding

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1 psddluva4evah  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:33:50pm

Couple today’s stupid Tea Party “march” with that crap posted by Joe the Plumber the other day and the “non-racist” facade is really starting to fade from the GOP.

Oh, and this from Robert Costas:

@robertcostaNRO
This is a big story; House conservatives tell me it’s a “game-changer,” gives Right new momentum ahead of this week…

So a 300 person protest is a “game-changer”, but hundreds of thousands of furloughed employees and keeping millions from buying affordable health care wasn’t?

GOP/Republicans/TeaParty are delusional.

2 Kragar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:35:24pm

A USMC Flag and a Confederate flag?

Get the fuck out, you dumb ass hick.

3 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:35:34pm

DERP

4 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:36:34pm

re: #1 psddluva4evah

It’s 300 of the “right sort” of people vs. those hundreds of thousands working in a government they don’t agree with and millions who don’t deserve health care…sigh…game changer my ass…

5 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:37:05pm

re: #2 Kragar

What you said!

6 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:38:04pm
7 Skip Intro  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:38:36pm

How Steve Stockman handled his own family medical problems.

In his 16 years away from Congress, Stockman worked for a few different conservative groups, including the Leadership Institute, and ran unsuccessfully for the Texas Railroad Commission and Tom DeLay’s old seat.

But most importantly, he cared for his father, who had Alzheimer’s. Stockman says that doing so kept him from entering any intense races — taking care of him was emotionally and financially draining, and he eventually filed for bankruptcy. When his father’s disease became too severe, he put him in a veterans’ home.

nationalreview.com

So that’s the GOP plan. You declare bankruptcy, then use the socialized medicine service of the VA.

8 Kragar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:38:53pm

Cry Benghazi and let slip the derps of duhr.

9 GeneJockey  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:40:16pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Conservatism, as currently constituted, is all about simultaneously holding mutually exclusive beliefs without any awareness of the cognitive dissonance.

10 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:41:51pm
11 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:45:08pm
12 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:46:10pm
13 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:46:32pm

re: #9 GeneJockey

Conservatism, as currently constituted, is all about simultaneously holding mutually exclusive beliefs without any awareness of the cognitive dissonance.

Someday conservatism as currently constituted will be recognized as the complete departure from what conservatism is supposed to actually be and once was.

14 Kragar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:46:50pm

OFFS

15 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:47:43pm
16 Gus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:47:55pm

re: #12 Lidane

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Robert Costa. Still a dick.

17 Unabogie  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:49:28pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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This really is the defining issue here. So much of the Tea Party derp is based on their knee jerk reaction to anything that Obama does, regardless of whether or not they actually want it.

I have a friend whose wife is sick. They don’t have health insurance. He doesn’t make a lot of money.

I just saw her on Facebook threatening to start a new country deep in the wild to avoid Obamacare.

How is it that she thinks that something that’s so plainly designed to help people just like her is actually something she is willing to give up her home in order to avoid? Where does that even come from? I contend that beating back this ugly racism is the key to beating back Tea Party-ism. They go hand in hand. The GOP folks who sold their followers the lies about Welfare Queens created a monster, but that doesn’t excuse people from falling for it.

18 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:50:32pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

That is an awesome cartoon flag

19 Gus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:51:26pm
20 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:53:43pm

My son just called and said that Malala Yousafavi has accepted his invitation to stay at his home as a guest of his family when she visits New York.

That is awesome.

21 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:53:54pm

re: #16 Gus

Robert Costas. Still a dick.

He writes for National Racists Online, true. But if nothing else, he’s at least had decent coverage of all the GOP fail during the shutdown.

22 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:54:14pm

re: #19 Gus

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Looks like it was quite the gathering of assorted nuts. I noticed on the FreeRepublic thread a picture of the Oathkeepers flag too.

Fine bunch of folks.

23 Internet Tough Guy  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:54:19pm

re: #12 Lidane

Anyone who calls themselves a Republican after Wednesday should be shunned.

24 Gus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:54:48pm

[x] Confederate Flag
[x] “Put down the Koran [Mr. President].” — Larry Klayman
[x] Birther Orly Taitz working the crowd.

25 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:54:56pm

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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Yesterday I checked out the timeline of that woman who tweeted about not following links from “dirty commies” when you posted about one of the trucker pics being from the WaPo about an unrelated event. Her tweets were pure lunacy—endless repetitions of #Benghazi and Hillary Clinton (IIRC she was referred to as #ThePantsuit or some such thing).

After that I went to follow some links related to the whole T2SDA-Pete-Santilli-conned-us thing and man, oh man… the illiteracy, credulity, conspiracy theories… un-freaking-believable. O_o

I almost felt a little bit sorry for them because I know grifters are leading them around by the nose, but when I see how hateful & vicious they are towards POTUS & anyone who disagrees with them, my compassion evaporates.

26 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:55:12pm

Oh hey look it’s Ted Cruz in front of a fucking Oathkeeper’s flag:

Image: G9edUT9.jpg

How revolutionary.

27 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:55:16pm

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

Lucky guy.

28 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:55:53pm

re: #23 Internet Tough Guy

Anyone who calls themselves a Republican after Wednesday should be shunned.

Anyone who says HURR HUR REPUBLICANS IS TEH PARTY OF LINCOLN!!!11!!!! DEMOCRATZ IS TEH RACIST!!!1!!!!!! should have that photo tattooed on their foreheads.

29 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:56:45pm

re: #27 ProTARDISLiberal

Lucky guy.

His daughters are SO PSYCHED.

30 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:57:02pm

re: #13 GOPHostage#25698724

Someday conservatism as currently constituted will be recognized for the complete departure from what conservatism is supposed to actually be and once was.

No it won’t. It’ll just be retconned to fit whatever narrative the right wants at the time.

In his response to the Emancipation Proclamation, Jefferson Davis called the Confederate policies conservative several times. Now conservatives (or at least the RWNJs) want to pretend that the Confederates were all liberal Democrats. It’ll be the same thing with the Tea Party and the RWNJs now. Whatever is uncomfortable for future conservatives will be rewritten to be liberal ideology.

31 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:57:27pm

FUCKSTICK

32 Kragar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:57:28pm

Palin Endorses Lonegan in New Jersey Senate Race

Recent polls have shown Mr. Lonegan, a former mayor of Bogota, N.J., and a businessman, gaining ground on his nationally known Democratic rival, Mayor Cory A. Booker of Newark. The election is on Wednesday.

Gaining, which means Lonegan is only losing by 13 points. This was before his aide’s stripper fiasco.

33 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:57:58pm

If it weren’t for the looming default, the following would probably be getting more heat:

Michigan is back with affirmative action fight

One way to think of the affirmative action case at the Supreme Court this week is like this: How can a state constitutional amendment banning the use of race violate the U.S. Constitution’s prohibition on racial discrimination?

But here’s a second: If the Supreme Court has found that limited racial considerations in university admissions are allowed, can a state’s voters forbid minorities from trying to convince political leaders that it’s a good idea?

Those competing arguments await justices in the case of Schuette v. Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action, the court’s second look at affirmative action in higher education in a year. It concerns an amendment to the Michigan constitution passed by 58 percent of the state’s voters in 2006.

[…]

34 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:58:25pm

re: #26 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Oh hey look it’s Ted Cruz in front of a fucking Oathkeeper’s flag:

Image: G9edUT9.jpg

How revolutionary.

Yep.

35 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:58:59pm

We’re going to default. No way the Dems sign off on any of this malarkey:

36 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:59:26pm

re: #25 CuriousLurker

Yesterday I checked out the timeline of that woman who tweeted about not following links from “dirty commies” when you posted about one of the trucker pics being from the WaPo about an unrelated event. Her tweets were pure lunacy—endless repetitions of #Benghazi and Hillary Clinton (IIRC she was referred to as #ThePantsuit or some such thing).

After that I went to follow some links related to the whole T2SDA-Pete-Santilli-conned-us thing and man, oh man… the illiteracy, credulity, conspiracy theories… un-freaking-believable. O_o

I almost felt a little bit sorry for them because I know grifters are leading them around by the nose, but when I see how hateful & vicious they are towards POTUS & anyone who disagrees with them, my compassion evaporates.

There are a whole bunch of freaking idiots like SpreadBullshit and Prudence and they have like 20,000 Twitter followers.

37 missliberties  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:00:20pm

re: #1 psddluva4evah

Why do you think ‘they’ call it Obamacare. Sounds like…. welfare. You know, the thugs and moochers.

38 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:00:34pm

re: #35 Lidane

It’ll all be OBE if the Senate comes to some agreement.

If that happens Boehner will be in such a tight corner that there will be no where for him to go.

39 calochortus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:00:58pm

Shouldn’t a gathering with Palin in attendance be much, much larger?

40 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:01:12pm

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

My son just called and said that Malala Yousafavi has accepted his invitation to stay at his home as a guest of his family when she visits New York.

That is awesome.

Indeed it is awesome.

41 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:02:15pm

re: #35 Lidane

We’re going to default. No way the Dems sign off on any of this malarkey:

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The Lankford bill is that there is an automatic cut to funding if Congress doesn’t pass something. WTH kind of “compromise” is that!?!?!

42 Interesting Times  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:03:26pm

re: #41 b.d.

The Lankford bill is that there is an automatic cut to funding if Congress doesn’t pass something. WTH kind of “compromise” is that!?!?!

One the useless corporate media will laud as so reasonable and why don’t the big meanie dems take it?!?!?

43 dog philosopher  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:04:23pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Don’t Laugh At Me

AND I AM NOT INORANT NEITHER!

44 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:04:54pm

O/T from downstairs.

Sweet Jebus, I might be the fifth most famous person from Canonsburg.

That is disquieting.

Anywho, time to read the thread.

45 Kragar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:06:11pm

re: #39 calochortus

Shouldn’t a gathering with Palin in attendance be much, much larger?

There would be more, but they couldn’t make it on a weekday…

Oh wait.

46 dog philosopher  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:06:32pm

re: #35 Lidane

package (so far): 6-wk DL ext, Lankford bill on shutdowns, income verification for O’care applicants, Vitter amdt

President Obama speaks to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.; both agree on need for clean debt limit increase - @NBCNews

47 missliberties  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:07:18pm

re: #35 Lidane

Also, the proposed House budget is a such a low number, which when coupled with MORE sequester cuts, will allow the Defense Budget to suck up all the monies, leaving safety nets to go by the wayside. Utopia

48 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:08:21pm

re: #13 GOPHostage#25698724

Someday conservatism as currently constituted will be recognized as the complete departure from what conservatism is supposed to actually be and once was.

Hear hear.

49 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:09:38pm

re: #39 calochortus

Shouldn’t a gathering with Palin in attendance be much, much larger?

Everybody was in church or couldn’t get there because of all the truckers!!

50 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:10:01pm

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

My son just called and said that Malala Yousafavi has accepted his invitation to stay at his home as a guest of his family when she visits New York.

That is awesome.

w00t!

Make a pie and send it!

51 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:10:58pm

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

Very cool! We want pictures.

52 Egregious Philbin  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:11:05pm

Confederate Flags
Oily Tights
Oaf Queefers

Yep, the Republicans all have their guns loaded, and aimed squarely at their feet.

Rabble, Yokels, Hillbillies…sigh

53 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:11:49pm

Looks like Oath Keepers might have done security for Palin, too.

Image: BWdcrSUCcAAZyxj.jpg

54 dog philosopher  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:12:57pm

ah, the carefree days of the teens, the misspelled signs, the excitement of the fight,…

“why were so many of the signs spelled bad granpa?”

:”well you see cindy those were the days when regular americans in Our Movement were rebelling against the elitists who imposed the old socialist constitution, which they had corrupted from the True Christian Constitution instituted by our forefathers. do you know that many of these socialists openly supported democracy??? of course, we don’t have to worry about that anymore…”

55 Kragar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:13:17pm

re: #53 Justanotherhuman

Looks like Oath Keepers might have done security for Palin, too.

Image: BWdcrSUCcAAZyxj.jpg

I would have thought brown shirts would have been more appropriate.

56 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:13:32pm

re: #50 chadu

Oh, VB, you owe me an apple pie (because of the rules I invented in my head an hour ago).

57 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:15:13pm

I see that the explicitly racist National Policy Institute is holding their next gathering at the Ronald Reagan bldg. in DC.

I wonder if “Reaganesque” Ted Cruz will make sure the gov’t reopens in time for all the public safety and security employees will be on hand?

58 calochortus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:15:19pm

re: #49 b.d.

Everybody was in church or couldn’t get there because of all the truckers!!

So why wasn’t Sarah in church?

59 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:15:22pm

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

They should be. If I was there, I would likely be literally bouncing around.

I mean literal literally, not figurative literally.

60 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:15:42pm

Maybe the Oathkeepers can show up and do security for the NPI also?

61 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:16:17pm

re: #58 calochortus

So why wasn’t Sarah in church?

SARAH IS CHURCH!!!

62 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:16:19pm

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

Wait a second, this week I am checking out an apartment in OK. What about a detour to NY after?

63 missliberties  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:16:26pm

re: #17 Unabogie

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Was Greenwald the one with the honor of holding the OathKeepers flag for our good friend from Texas, Senator Rafael Cruz?

64 Kragar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:16:53pm

CNN host calls out Politico reporter who says fact checking isn’t her job: ‘You ignore that?’

During a segment about the increasing role of fact checking organizations like PolitiFact, Sesno asked Gibson how members of Congress responded when they got a “pants on fire” rating.

“Their press secretaries, when it’s the other guy who’s called out, will blast out those as a press release,” Gibson explained.

“And what do you do with that?” Sesno wondered.

“Most of the time, ignore them,” Gibson admitted.

“You ignore it!” Sesno exclaimed. “Wait, wait, wait. So if someone is called a liar or is exposed in a fact check and you’re the reporter of it, you ignore that?”

“Well, we ignore it when it becomes political fighting, right?” Gibson said.

“But if someone is objectively wrong,” Sesno pressed.

“As a reporter who covered the [Romney] campaign and covers the Hill now, these fact checks are great for us because sometimes when the claim keeps getting repeated, we can point to them in a story and say, look, they’ve been deemed untrue by multiple fact checkers,” Gibson insisted. “And I think that line is important, the multiple fact checkers. When it’s multiple fact checkers agreeing, we can go to that.”

“And that’s how we use it, that’s how we call attention to things — if we’re not doing the fact checking — we know not to be true.”

65 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:17:05pm

re: #55 Kragar

I would have thought brown shirts would have been more appropriate.

And more here:

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Not in the best shape, though, so how effective they would be is questionable.

66 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:17:18pm

Congrats VB on your son getting to host Malala. Most impressive.

67 calochortus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:18:31pm

Is it just me or is the Oath Keepers’ flag one of the least original and most boring flags ever?

68 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:18:41pm

re: #57 freetoken

I wonder if “Reaganesque” Ted Cruz will make sure the gov’t reopens in time for all the public safety and security employees will be on hand?

Reaganesque!

69 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:18:52pm

re: #58 calochortus

So why wasn’t Sarah in church?

Are you kidding? The only time she sets foot inside a church is when she’s getting paid big bucks.

70 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:19:00pm

BTW, I’m rather confused by this GOP “offer” for income verification for Obamacare recipients. They already get income verified when signing on for Obamacare to determine the subsidy amount, and whether they’re entitled to that amount.

What verification are they looking for - and are they actually insisting on more penalties for those who attempt to circumvent the process? Giving more power to the IRS? Because that’s what it means to me. I’m curious about that.

71 nines09  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:19:16pm

re: #55 Kragar

I would have thought brown shirts would have been more appropriate.

It was the Photo Op of the century for the sociopaths. Hey I have a game we can play. Photoshop all the flags and T shirt logos out and leave the weapons in.

72 calochortus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:19:56pm

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

It must be nice to have God speak directly to you and tell you to do just what you wanted to.

73 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:20:40pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Very cool! We want pictures.

Here is one.

74 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:21:09pm

re: #65 Justanotherhuman

And more here:

Image: 1380845_10151928458538588_1698249156_n.jpg

Not in the best shape, though, so how effective they would be is questionable.

More like Brunchkeepers.

This rally was for the fringe of the fringe.

75 Kragar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:22:44pm

re: #74 b.d.

More like Brunchkeepers.

This rally was for the fringe of the fringe.

If the VVS kooks weren’t in town, they wouldn’t have had even the sparse numbers they did.

76 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:23:12pm
77 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:23:47pm

Here we go!

78 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:25:40pm

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

Are you kidding? The only time she sets foot inside a church is when she’s getting paid big bucks.

Or being shed of demons.

YouTube it, I don’t have the heart to link.

79 BeenHereAwhile  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:27:38pm

re: #53 Justanotherhuman

Looks like Oath Keepers might have done security for Palin, too.

Image: BWdcrSUCcAAZyxj.jpg

She’s tried everything else.

Might be time for her to fake her own kidnapping.

80 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:27:45pm

re: #78 chadu

Or being shed of demons.

YouTube it, I don’t have the heart to link.

Oh yes, her and the famous Rev Muthee… Youtube Video

81 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:28:01pm

re: #78 chadu

Or being shed of demons.

YouTube it, I don’t have the heart to link.

Here’s the good version.

:P


Youtube Video

82 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:29:16pm

re: #79 BeenHereAwhile

She’s tried everything else.

Might be time for her to fake her own kidnapping.

LOLOL

She can pull an Aimee MacPherson! Brilliant!

en.wikipedia.org

83 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:29:18pm

re: #67 calochortus

Is it just me or is the Oath Keepers’ flag one of the least original and most boring flags ever?

It’s a takeoff from the dress uniform Ranger tab.

Image: D-501.jpg

84 Gus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:29:35pm

GOP: we want to shut down the federal government but promise to keep memorials and parks open.

85 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:29:36pm

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

Right.

86 calochortus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:30:47pm

re: #83 Decatur Deb

Hence the “least original” part of my post…

87 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:31:22pm

re: #84 Gus

GOP: we want to shut down the federal government but promise to keep memorials and parks photo-op locations open.

88 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:32:19pm

MILLIONS PROTESTED OBUMMER’S TYRANNY!

89 BeenHereAwhile  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:32:58pm

re: #82 Dr Lizardo

LOLOL

She can pull an Aimee MacPherson! Brilliant!

en.wikipedia.org

Exactly.

90 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:33:14pm

Toad Starnes posted this photo with the caption, “The veterans took care of Obama’s Barrycades”

Image: BWdpX0AIQAAsHeO.jpg

Couldn’t that also be considered potential destruction of govt property?

Vandalism at the Lincoln Memorial: Image: BWdwOceIgAA7cgU.jpg

91 Stanley Sea  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:33:20pm
92 Kragar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:33:46pm

re: #83 Decatur Deb

It’s a takeoff from the dress uniform Ranger tab.

Image: D-501.jpg

They’re living out their Rambo fantasies.

I was unaware that Rangers trained to carry 100 pounds of gear in their beer guts.
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93 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:34:33pm

re: #30 Lidane

No it won’t. It’ll just be retconned to fit whatever narrative the right wants at the time.

In his response to the Emancipation Proclamation, Jefferson Davis called the Confederate policies conservative several times. Now conservatives (or at least the RWNJs) want to pretend that the Confederates were all liberal Democrats. It’ll be the same thing with the Tea Party and the RWNJs now. Whatever is uncomfortable for future conservatives will be rewritten to be liberal ideology.

Why do you assume that faction will truly control the narrative? What they merely claim for themselves is hardly worth paying attention to. Like McCarthyism these Tea Party aberrations come and then they go. Conservative thought and theory is a phenomenon of longer history and more relevance than the GOP.

94 calochortus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:35:40pm

re: #90 Justanotherhuman

Toad Starnes posted this photo with the caption, “The veterans took care of Obama’s Barrycades”

Image: BWdpX0AIQAAsHeO.jpg

Couldn’t that also be considered potential destruction of govt property?

Vandalism at the Lincoln Memorial: Image: BWdwOceIgAA7cgU.jpg

Yes, I think it was vandalism. Not to conservatives of course-whatever they do must be right. But if some liberal group did it, they’d be howling.

95 dog philosopher  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:36:39pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

I recall @ least 4 separate incidents, include the faux “N-word ACA event that were plants.

Astonishing Wide-Spread Left Wing Conspiracy Revealed To Plant Thousands Of Protestors And Old Line Comment Section Contributors In Nation Wide, Multi Year Effort To Portray Republicans As Racists

number of incidents shown to outnumber largest estimate of tea party membership

Official GOP Spokespeople Respond, “I’m Definitely Not Racist, But…”

96 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:36:53pm
97 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:39:03pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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If Occupy tried to pull off a stunt like that, they’d have been handcuffed and put in prison busses.

98 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:40:13pm

re: #93 GOPHostage#25698724

Why do you assume that faction will truly control the narrative? What they merely claim for themselves is hardly worth paying attention to. Like McCarthyism these Tea Party aberrations come and then they go. Conservative thought and theory is a phenomenon of longer history and more relevance than the GOP.

There are people out there who believe that the Nazis were liberals because Limbaugh, Goldberg and the rest have told them so. They conflate Nazis, Communists, Socialists and consider them all interchangeable left-wing ideas.

Also, these days McCarthy is seen as a hero on the right. So are the Birchers. Saying that these groups are aberrations is denying the fact that those are the people in charge in the GOP and in movement conservatism. These ideas have taken root and they’re not going away anytime soon.

99 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:42:13pm
100 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:42:19pm

re: #90 Justanotherhuman

Toad Starnes posted this photo with the caption, “The veterans took care of Obama’s Barrycades”

Image: BWdpX0AIQAAsHeO.jpg

Couldn’t that also be considered potential destruction of govt property?

Vandalism at the Lincoln Memorial: Image: BWdwOceIgAA7cgU.jpg

Brave patriotic patriots hate barrycades!

101 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:42:32pm

re: #97 Velvet Elvis

If Occupy tried to pull off a stunt like that, they’d have been pepper sprayed, tazed,handcuffed and put in prison busses.

FTFY

102 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:42:56pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Brave patriotic patriots hate barrycades!

HURR HURR NOW CARRY THOSE BARRYCADES TO THE MEXICAN BORDER!!!1!!!!!!

103 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:43:17pm

2,000,000 people attending Obama’s 1st inauguration leave behind 8 plastic cups on the ground and the wingnuts go ape shit.

Wingnuts purposely vandalize government property and leave the wreckage strewn around town and they are heroes?

104 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:43:58pm
105 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:44:13pm

re: #83 Decatur Deb

It’s a takeoff from the dress uniform Ranger tab.

Image: D-501.jpg

These guys are to Rangers what me playing Kumbaya is to Tommy Emmanuel playing, well, anything.

RBS

106 Gus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:45:27pm

3rd round of coffee today. [Lurch groan.]

107 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:46:29pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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Vandals invaded the Capitol today. I wonder how many were actual veterans?

108 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:47:26pm

re: #98 Lidane

If you measure the entire mild to wild conservative point of view by the current extremist faction of the GOP yes. But that is a short term measure. Also provincial in a way. Conservative thought is far from a uniquely American phenomenon. McCarthyism had it’s moment and then it went away to await yet another moment when the extremists hold sway. Happens to be now.

I expect the GOP to fall and the gently right leaning Indy and blue dog Dems will fill the vacuum. Perhaps we will have Dem and Indy rather than Dem and GOP. 5 years? 10? Would not say. But please take my comments as a longer term perspective.

“There are people” that think anything one can dream up. It’s not the proper measure of an entire political spectrum actually extant on the right for decades.

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109 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:48:05pm

re: #89 BeenHereAwhile

Exactly.

My dad told me about her when I was a kid. He didn’t really remember it, as he was only two years old when it happened, but he found about it as he grew older. A bit of Los Angeles folklore.

He always referred to fundamentalists as “holy rollers” and he never had much use for them. I know he didn’t like the Religious Right, and once they started getting more powerful in the GOP, that was when he left.

110 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:49:46pm

Neil DeGrasse Tyson Tweets all the scientific howlers in Gravity.

He ruined it for me now. :(

Dude it’s a freaking MOVIE. Does anyone freak out over how unrealistically COMPUTERS are portrayed in the movies?

111 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:49:57pm

re: #26 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Oh hey look it’s Ted Cruz in front of a fucking Oathkeeper’s double patriots flag:

Image: G9edUT9.jpg

How revolutionary.

FTFY.

112 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:51:24pm

re: #12 Lidane

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If your name is Robert Costa or Dark_Falcon, seeing Republican members of Congress standing with that protest just purely sucks.

113 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:51:29pm

This is America, 2013:

Richard Land Calls on Evangelicals to Reclaim Culture From Satan

Dr. Richard Land, the new president of Southern Evangelical Seminary, called on evangelicals on Friday to stand up and reclaim culture from a world “wracked by demonic activity,” and act like winners in Christ against the powers of the devil.

[…]


What followed was a video presentation focused on reclaiming “the seven mountains of culture,” which were described as seven points where the church has lost influence, leaving behind a void of darkness.

The culture mountains were identified as government, education, media, arts and entertainment, religion, family, and business, which was described by the narrator as the “mountain that they all depend on, the mountain that fuels all other mountains, where resources are concentrated for the kingdom of God, or cashed in for the powers of darkness.”

Land followed up on the presentation by stating that evangelicals “need to understand that and bring God’s truth back to every area of culture.”

The SES President then talked about the importance of apologetics and creating apologetic websites so that people can go online “and get an answer for why Darwin is wrong, an answer for why the Bible is right, an answer for what you have been taught in high school and college that is just pure wrong.”

Looks like Mullah Mohler is going to be outflanked on his right by a new up and coming star, at a newer indoctrination center.

Land’s beliefs, btw, are much what the tea partying right believes, and this is what drove Cruz to paint Congress into a corner.

114 dog philosopher  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:53:15pm

what i would really really like to see would be next time cruz talks as if obama was the one responsible for the shutdown on live teevee, a reporter would say this to him

‘sen cruz, you went to some of the most prestigious universities in this country, did you not? given that, i find it utterly implausible that you are stupid enough to believe what you just said”

115 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:54:32pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

If your name is Robert Costa or Dark_Falcon, seeing Republican members of Congress standing with that protest just purely sucks.

How do you feel about Mark Kirk yesterday voting to uphold a filibuster of a clean CR to raise the debt ceiling?

116 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:55:05pm

I know of only one point of departure between Ted Cruz and Richard Land:

Richard Land parts with Cruz

Richard Land, the influential head of the Southern Baptist Convention, is publicly parting with Texas Sen. Ted Cruz over his opposition to a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants.

What I’d say is, Senator Cruz, you need to understand that the majority of your constituents do not agree with you on this and you need to examine what’s best for Texas.

Land’s comments dropped in an NPR piece and are significant given his political heft in the conservative movement. Land is set to head the Southern Evangelical Seminary in Charlotte, N.C. later this month.

117 dog philosopher  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:57:42pm

re: #113 freetoken

This is America, 2013:

Richard Land Calls on Evangelicals to Reclaim Culture From Satan

satin? what about the muslins?

118 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:57:42pm

re: #114 dog philosopher

what i would really really like to see would be next time cruz talks as if obama was the one responsible for the shutdown on live teevee, a reporter would say this to him

‘sen cruz, you went to some of the most prestigious universities in this country, did you not? given that, i find it utterly implausible that you are stupid enough to believe what you just said”

Better yet, they should just show video of the dozens of times he campaigned on and explicitly called for a shutdown. Simply say, “This is what you wanted, this is what you worked for, overtly. This is what you all voted for, no Republican in Congress gets to blame it on anybody else.”

119 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:57:51pm
120 dog philosopher  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:58:59pm

Satin And Muslins Working Hand In Glove To Rent The Fabric Of This Nation!!!

121 ObserverArt  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 5:59:25pm

I do not know a hell of a lot about Oathkeepers. So I went to see if there was a general Wiki page on them. First thing I scan to read is this:

The Oath Keepers were founded on March 2009 by Stewart Rhodes and incorporated in Las Vegas, Nevada as a non-profit corporation

And that is all that I needed to see. Funny how many of these organizations just happened to pop up after January 2009.

I do not care to learn anything more about them, other than how extremist are they, will they cause damage and what kind?

So, I’m gonna use a portion of one of their rather well-worn lines. I want my country back from the stupid idiots that want their country back because an African American President was elected by a democratic majority of this country.

122 jhrhv  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:00:16pm

The 999,800 people short of a Million Man March

123 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:07:20pm

re: #122 jhrhv

The 999,800 people short of a Million Man March

3 sandwiches short of a picnic

124 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:09:09pm

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

Neil DeGrasse Tyson Tweets all the scientific howlers in Gravity.

He ruined it for me now. :(

Dude it’s a freaking MOVIE. Does anyone freak out over how unrealistically COMPUTERS are portrayed in the movies?

Well, he did say he enjoyed it.

125 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:09:16pm

re: #97 Velvet Elvis

If Occupy tried to pull off a stunt like that, they’d have been handcuffed and put in prison busses.

Of course the differences are obvious. Left wing protests are not unfairly persecuted no matter how much you may believe it. Right wingers believe they’re being persecuted too, it’s simply not true. this group was small, peaceful, they weren’t assaulting officers, they weren’t throwing things, starting fires, spray painting memorials, blocking traffic, smashing windows, etc. Once through the barricades they had no intention on living permanently in the park. They had their stupid protest and went home. They are idiots but they behaved themselves, didn’t try to hurt anyone and didn’t destroy public or private property.

126 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:09:39pm

Overnight the DJIA futures have gone from +120 to -100.

127 jhrhv  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:09:49pm

After you include the 40 people that showed with their trucks to shutdown the city, photographers and security you’re looking at about 50 people that actually showed up explicit y for this.

128 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:10:58pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Of course the differences are obvious. Left wing protests are not unfairly persecuted no matter how much you may believe it.

Right. You were virtually jacking off to those women being pepper sprayed in NYC, didn’t care one bit that they’d done nothing at all to deserve it.

129 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:11:35pm

re: #126 goddamnedfrank

This shows us who really runs the GOP. Wall street apparently ain’t it.

130 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:13:40pm

re: #129 GOPHostage#25698724

This shows us who really runs the GOP. Wall street apparently ain’t it.

Hopefully they’ll learn that their selfish, shortsighted support of the GOP has created the largest threat to profit to exist in their lifetimes.

131 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:15:20pm
132 Kragar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:15:22pm

re: #129 GOPHostage#25698724

This shows us who really runs the GOP. Wall street apparently ain’t it.

Its like Animal Farm, only the spastic dog which eats its own shit is telling the pigs what to do.

133 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:17:06pm

re: #115 goddamnedfrank

I don’t know about that.

134 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:17:25pm

MikeAndy is still going at it. Does he really not know about Teh Googles or is he just trolling for teh lulz?

135 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:19:09pm
136 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:19:09pm

Remember kids, it’s funny when women just standing on a public sidewalk get pepper sprayed for no reason. Whereas racist fuckwits trespassing and trashing barricades to protest a shutdown they wanted are behaving themselves.

137 b.d.  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:20:18pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

Youtube video of the protest reveals members of the crowd heckling the officers, calling them “brown shirts,” the “Gestapo,” the “Stasi,” and opining that the unit “looks like something out of Kenya.”

This is the rally that all the republican reps were looking at as the tide changer?

138 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:20:23pm
139 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:22:13pm

Meanwhile, another small town is having a crime problem.

A fucking weird one.

Hilarious Small-Town Newspaper Rivalry Ends in Arrest

Mount Kisco ain’t big enough for the two of them.

A rivalry between two community papers in the small town of Mount Kisco (pop. 10,994) escalated this weekend when one had a distributor for the other arrested, all thanks to a private eye.

The distributor, Michael Espinoza, was arrested for slipping copies of his paper, the Hudson Valley Reporter, into the display box of a rival paper, the Examiner — according to the Mount Kisco Daily Voice (and let’s not rule out the Daily Voice masterminding the whole thing. “They will eliminate each other and the ad dollars will be ours,” the editor probably cackled, punctuating his words with the stab of a red pen. “All the paid obituaries. OURS.”)

The town in question.

140 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:23:07pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

I don’t know about that.

Now you do.

Senate Republicans blocked a debt ceiling extension from advancing on Saturday, bringing the country one step closer to a catastrophic debt default.

The motion to proceed to the Democrats’ bill received 53 votes in favor and 45 against, falling short of the 60 needed to begin debate. Every Republican senator voted to filibuster it. The bill would have raised the debt limit until the end of 2014 with no policy add-ons.

You know why you didn’t know this? Because the “liberal” media decided it doesn’t fit the both sides are equally bad narrative.

Mark Kirk is terrorist trash, every Republican in Congress is terrorist trash. If and when the default comes you Republicans will only have yourselves to blame for supporting these evil fuckers.

141 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:23:21pm
142 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:26:08pm
143 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:31:33pm
145 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:32:45pm

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

It was a Democratic bill for a 14 month debt ceiling extension. I’m just fine with Senator Kirk voting to filibuster it, and I also say “Go Fuck Yourself!” to you for calling him a terrorist.

Persona Non Grata is what you are to me right now, Frank. Don’t bother asking me questions, because I won’t be answering.

146 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:35:09pm

I wish the GOP would just bleed out and die already. In their death throes they’re doing so much damage to the country, and there’s no mechanism by which to euthanize the party cleanly.

As long as the moderates continue to cling to and march in lockstep with the racist dead enders they’re just proving how worthless and unprincipled they really are.

147 ObserverArt  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:36:38pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

They had their stupid protest and went home. They are idiots but they behaved themselves, didn’t try to hurt anyone and didn’t destroy public or private property.

So much in that sentence.

I’m pretty sure it means OWS protesters were really really bad and really really stupid people because they didn’t go home having stayed on both public and private land and a few of the larger group hurt some people, destroyed property and were not well behaved so by association everyone in OWS was really really bad stupid protesting idiots.

Or something equally as hyperbolic.

Kilgore, I know you do this to mock and wind people up, but really? Do you have to breath into a bag after typing that just to calm yourself back down?

148 PT Barnum  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:37:12pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

get a grip dude.

149 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:37:53pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

It was a Democratic bill for a 14 month debt ceiling extension. I’m just fine with Senator Kirk voting to filibuster it, and I also say “Go Fuck Yourself!” to you for calling him a terrorist.

Persona Non Grata is what you are to me right now, Frank. Don’t bother asking me questions, because I won’t be answering.

Why are you “just fine” with it? Perhaps I’m missing something here, but do you think there’s some demands that Democrats should give in to in order not to destroy the nation’s economy?

150 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:38:21pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but I want an end to this for a while. I am tired of being scared senseless every few months because a group of radicals want to hold the nation hostage.

I want a break from this until after the midterms.

151 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:40:54pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

What’s the problem with a 14-month extension again? That would’ve tabled all this debt limit shit until December 2014. Both parties could’ve taken a breath and not had to deal with this crap again until after the midterms.

152 simoom  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:41:37pm

“Tree Of Liberty Getting Very [Dry]”

153 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:43:33pm
154 sagehen  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:43:53pm

Walking Dead, mid-episode speculation

that girl leading Rick through the woods…. I think she’s part of a group of cannibals bringing him home for dinner

155 ObserverArt  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:44:03pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs

The media are afraid to get close to it, but so much craziness in US politics boils down to this: there’s a black man in the White House.
9:19 PM - 13 Oct 2013

The media might want to pussy-foot around this stuff not to piss off any one viewer demographic because ratings wars are vicious due to all the saturation of media, but I don’t think they realize that by doing so they are cutting out viewers that don’t fall for the BS and do want some actual reporting and for someone to tell the truth. They are so safe they become useless. And with that, there go the ratings.

156 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:45:38pm

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

We’re the reserve currency for a lot of countries around the world. If we default and the dollar loses significant value, the effects will be catastrophic.

All of this shit is an entirely self-inflicted Republican wound because fanatics like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee couldn’t stop tilting at the Obamacare windmill.

157 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:46:55pm

re: #151 Lidane

What’s the problem with a 14-month extension again? That would’ve tabled all this debt limit shit until December 2014. Both parties could’ve taken a breath and not had to deal with this crap again until after the midterms.

The problem is that all the Senate GOP would have done in voting for that bill would have been to drive an even greater wedge between them and their House fellows. Any Senate bill that resolves the crisis is either going to have to be a Republican bill or a bipartisan one. No Senate Democratic bill is going to be allowed a floor vote in the House.

158 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:47:06pm
159 Belafon  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:47:07pm

re: #156 Lidane

There are a few countries whose currency is directly tied to the dollar. I’m sure this will be awesome for them.

160 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:47:49pm

re: #156 Lidane

We’re the reserve currency for a lot of countries around the world. If we default and the dollar loses significant value, the effects will be catastrophic.

All of this shit is an entirely self-inflicted Republican wound because fanatics like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee couldn’t stop tilting at the Obamacare windmill.

These preppers with their bunkers full of GUNZ and SURVIVAL SEEDZ and GOLD and MRE’s really, really want their little fantasy to be fulfilled, then they can shoot ‘em up a bunch of LIBRULZ.

161 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:48:38pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that all the Senate GOP would have done in voting for that bill would have been to drive an even greater wedge between them and their House fellows. Any Senate bill that resolves the crisis is either going to have to be a Republican bill or a bipartisan one. No Senate Democratic bill is going to be allowed a floor vote in the House.

So then we’re headed for default because the GOP can’t get it through their thick fucking skulls that they don’t deserve a cookie for not blowing up the economy.

162 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:48:42pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

No Senate Democratic bill is going to be allowed a floor vote in the House.

Because Republicans are terrorists, and they changed the rules so that only Cantor or his designee can bring bills to the floor.

163 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:48:50pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that all the Senate GOP would have done in voting for that bill would have been to drive an even greater wedge between them and their House fellows.

Who cares? The howler monkeys in the House are the reason we’re on the verge of default. And according to Costa’s Twitter TL yesterday, the Senate GOP already don’t trust Boehner and think he’s lost total control of the House. They’re working without them anyway.

164 jhrhv  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:48:57pm

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

Apparently to a bunch of people wanting to get use out of their survival beans and gunz that would be preferable to providing health care and food for the poorz.

165 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:49:18pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

Greater wedge with the House GOP? That’s what they’re supposed to be worried about? Not about governing and making sure the nation doesn’t default? They’re supposed to give cover for the TP/GOP extremists in the House?

If that’s your position, then the Senate GOPers who moved to block the Senate bill are no better than their House counterparts. They’re one in the same. And that’s a very bad place for the GOP to be.

166 Kragar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:49:36pm

Moyers: Shutdown is Secession By Another Means

Republicans have now lost three successive elections to control the Senate, and they’ve lost the last two presidential elections. Nonetheless, they fought tooth and nail to kill President Obama’s health care initiative. They lost that fight, but with the corporate wing of Democrats, they managed to bend it toward private interests.

When the president refused to buckle to this extortion, they threw their tantrum. Like the die-hards of the racist South a century and a half ago, who would destroy the union before giving up their slaves, so would these people burn down the place, sink the ship.

At least, let’s name this for what it is: sabotage of the democratic process. Secession by another means.

167 gwangung  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:50:46pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that all the Senate GOP would have done in voting for that bill would have been to drive an even greater wedge between them and their House fellows. Any Senate bill that resolves the crisis is either going to have to be a Republican bill or a bipartisan one. No Senate Democratic bill is going to be allowed a floor vote in the House.

Party over country, then.

How is this not being a criminal? I.e., a terrorist?

168 sagehen  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:51:28pm

re: #154 sagehen

Walking Dead, mid-episode speculation

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I was wrong.

169 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:52:25pm

re: #164 jhrhv

Apparently to a bunch of people wanting to get use out of their survival beans and gunz that would be preferable to providing health care and food for the poorz.

These fucksticks don’t understand that if the US defaults on its debt we’ll all be Teh Poorz.

But they’ll be Teh Poorz with Teh Gunz.

170 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:52:38pm

What the fuck happened to majority rule in this country? A majority of House members are ready to vote on a clean CR/DL, so why in the fuck does it matter that doing so might hurt Boehner or drive a wedge between the House GOP and the Senate GOP? Are Republicans so afraid of not being able to get some sort of prize out of all this that they will destroy the global economy to ensure that we all go down with them?

171 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:52:51pm

Wow, that was quite a deluge of unison right wing whargarbl on Twitter. I haven’t looked, but there was probably a link on Twitchy.com or one of the other right wing propaganda sites.

172 Kragar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:53:44pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

What the fuck happened to majority rule in this country? A majority of House members are ready to vote on a clean CR/DL, so why in the fuck does it matter that doing so might hurt Boehner or drive a wedge between the House GOP and the Senate GOP? Are Republicans so afraid of not being able to get some sort of prize out of all this that they will destroy the global economy to ensure that we all go down with them?

Because the GOP only plays by their made up rules.

173 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:53:50pm

I’d say I wish we had a better class of GOP apologist to work with, but that’s the point, there really isn’t one. This is as good as it gets.

I really don’t think D_F at all comprehends how insanely goddamned gracious and patient almost everyone here is being with his shit, how much slack the entire community is cutting just for him.

174 sagehen  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:53:58pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that all the Senate GOP would have done in voting for that bill would have been to drive an even greater wedge between them and their House fellows. Any Senate bill that resolves the crisis is either going to have to be a Republican bill or a bipartisan one. No Senate Democratic bill is going to be allowed a floor vote in the House.

And god knows that maintaining cohesion between senate R’s and house TPer’s is more important than the full faith and credit of the United States.

I’ve tried to be sympathetic to your loyalty to what the R’s used to be, but this is my Rubicon. Go Fuck Yourself. Really.

175 HoosierHoops  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:54:17pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

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I’m not sure we can boil down to that level of granularity for perhaps 5 to 10 years. History belongs to historians.
There is no doubt that when the books on the rise of the Tea Party are published in 2018- on, they will include a chapter on racism. One cannot deny the pictures of lynched men with Obama’s face photo shopped in them nor the monkey jokes and the disgusting path the GOP traveled upon.
That cannot nor should be ignored in this conversation.

176 ObserverArt  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:55:24pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

It was a Democratic bill for a 14 month debt ceiling extension. I’m just fine with Senator Kirk voting to filibuster it, and I also say “Go Fuck Yourself!” to you for calling him a terrorist.

Persona Non Grata is what you are to me right now, Frank. Don’t bother asking me questions, because I won’t be answering.

You know, that sad response says a whole hell of a lot more about you than anything he posted.

177 jhrhv  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:55:26pm

We often say in my office that the problems come from the top down. I keep being amazed by the lack of civility from people in general.

Apparently that is also a top down problem.

178 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:55:30pm

re: #161 Targetpractice

So then we’re headed for default because the GOP can’t get it through their thick fucking skulls that they don’t deserve a cookie for not blowing up the economy.

No, it’s because of a faction within the House GOP which is unwilling to admit error or concede it cannot destroy Obamacare.

179 Skip Intro  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:55:50pm

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

Because Republicans are terrorists, and they changed the rules so that only Cantor or his designee can bring bills to the floor.

That’s worth +100 updings.

180 Stanley Sea  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:56:53pm

re: #168 sagehen

I was wrong.

I am not looking. no way, no sir.

Still 2 hours to go.

181 calochortus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:57:54pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

No, it’s because of a faction within the House GOP which is unwilling to admit error or concede it cannot destroy Obamacare.

And because the rest of the House GOP doesn’t dare cross the will of that minority.

182 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:59:28pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

No, it’s because of a faction within the House GOP which is unwilling to admit error or concede it cannot destroy Obamacare.

Except that faction’s now livid with rage because Paul Ryan and John Boehner are talking “entitlement reform” and “spending cuts” instead of Obamacare. Boehner already tried to offer them a consolation prize in the form of dragging the shutdown out for at least another six weeks, but that was before the NBC/WSJ poll numbers came out showing that the GOP’s popularity has cratered. Now they’re trying to trade “entitlement reform” for easing off on sequester cuts, talking about the Vitter Amendment and even Lankford’s new poison pill in the form of automatic CRs that will cut 1% annually every time Congress can’t pass a budget.

That faction’s an excuse now for a GOP leadership who’s trying to salvage something out of this unholy blunder of theirs. They don’t deserve ANYTHING!

183 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 6:59:38pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

No, it’s because of a faction within the House GOP which is unwilling to admit error or concede it cannot destroy Obamacare.

A small faction, and the entire House and Senate GOP is condoning and enabling their hostage taking. Co-conspirators at best. It speaks volumes as to the character and integrity of the Republican mindset. It’s literally a gang mentality, utterly craven and devoid of honor.

184 ObserverArt  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:00:08pm

re: #167 gwangung

Party over country, then.

How is this not being a criminal? I.e., a terrorist?

I’m thinking goddamnedfrank should have been clearer. A domestic political terrorist.

185 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:01:03pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

Are Republicans so afraid of not being able to get some sort of prize out of all this that they will destroy the global economy to ensure that we all go down with them?

Magic 8 Ball sez, “It is decidedly so.”

186 Gus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:01:16pm
187 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:01:56pm

I’m sorry, the Lankford “Government Shutdown Prevention Act” doesn’t cut 1% annually, it cuts it every 3 months. In other words, all the GOP has to do to get 4% cut from next year’s spending is just keeping refusing to convene a committee to hash out a budget.

188 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:02:00pm

re: #184 ObserverArt

I’m thinking goddamnedfrank should have been clearer. A domestic political terrorist.

Yes, how clumsy of me. Talk to me after the default, and we’ll compare the comparative damage to the world economy between the 9/11 terrorist attacks and this.

189 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:02:51pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

They didn’t ‘behave themselves’. Entering a park when it’s shut-down isn’t behaving yourself. I mean, to give them credit, they’re aiming at ‘civil disobedience’ even if it is of the most insanely stupid kind, giving that they’re basically protesting themselves, but the point is that they’re acknowledging that The Man says things are one way, and they aim to misbehave.

190 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:05:02pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

I’m sorry, the Lankford “Government Shutdown Prevention Act” doesn’t cut 1% annually, it cuts it every 3 months. In other words, all the GOP has to do to get 4% cut from next year’s spending is just keeping refusing to convene a committee to hash out a budget.

Which is why it’s bullshit and a non-starter for the Senate and the WH.

191 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:05:54pm
192 gwangung  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:06:02pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

No, it’s because of a faction within the House GOP which is unwilling to admit error or concede it cannot destroy Obamacare.

And apparently, you’re on board with them.

193 ObserverArt  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:06:51pm

re: #188 goddamnedfrank

Yes, how clumsy of me. Talk to me after the default, and we’ll compare the comparative damage to the world economy between the 9/11 terrorist attacks and this.

I’m with you Frank…I meant that as a bit of a joke. Maybe I shoulda used the /// tags. Sorry. Trying to make light of it to keep from going off.

Proceed.

194 Kragar  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:07:10pm

re: #189 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

They didn’t ‘behave themselves’. Entering a park when it’s shut-down isn’t behaving yourself. I mean, to give them credit, they’re aiming at ‘civil disobedience’ even if it is of the most insanely stupid kind, giving that they’re basically protesting themselves, but the point is that they’re acknowledging that The Man says things are one way, and they aim to misbehave.

I want to know what kind of condition they left the park in. Did they clean up all the trash they brought it? Take care of any damages they might have made?

195 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:08:03pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

Hmmmm… I actually proposed the Lankford scenario myself last week as what should have been their initial position, and not the ACA poison pills, because it gives the GOP what they want - chopping govt by a percentage if a budget isn’t in place, but that’s an incentive to never give in a budget since it would automagically result in cuts to the budget. It’s a sequester 2, the budget boogaloo.

The GOP thinks this is a winning strategy because the Democrats can come back with lower percentages, but they can’t go and insist on higher percentages for defense cuts without being questioned as soft on security.

It gives them an edge. And that’s all that they’re after. Not governance but a political edge over the Administration.

196 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:09:37pm
197 Tigger2005  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:10:00pm

Question: I have some credit card debts that are on no interest with payment plans. I have the money to pay them off now. Would it be a good idea to do that?

198 Gus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:10:49pm

Already 399 Tweets on my Quran/Klayman page. Moving along there.

199 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:11:27pm

re: #198 Gus

It looks like you are going for a record on those tweets.

200 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:11:48pm
201 Gus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:12:12pm

re: #199 PhillyPretzel

It looks like you are going for a record on those tweets.

412! I smell a Pulitzer! //

202 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:12:43pm

re: #195 lawhawk

Hmmmm… I actually proposed the Lankford scenario myself last week as what should have been their initial position, and not the ACA poison pills, because it gives the GOP what they want - chopping govt by a percentage if a budget isn’t in place, but that’s an incentive to never give in a budget since it would automagically result in cuts to the budget. It’s a sequester 2, the budget boogaloo.

The GOP thinks this is a winning strategy because the Democrats can come back with lower percentages, but they can’t go and insist on higher percentages for defense cuts without being questioned as soft on security.

It gives them an edge. And that’s all that they’re after. Not governance but a political edge over the Administration.

It’s about the insurance of some leverage in any future dealings with Democrats in general and this administration in particular. Going into any talks with the understanding that, even if talks break down, they’ll still get what they want. Having a fucking Sword of Damocles they can call attention to whenever they feel that they’re not getting everything they want in the final deal. “Spending is going to get cut, you just decide on where you want it to hurt the least.”

203 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:13:00pm

re: #197 Tigger2005

If it were me I would ask my accountant.

204 Skip Intro  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:13:12pm

re: #197 Tigger2005

Question: I have some credit card debts that are on no interest with payment plans. I have the money to pay them off now. Would it be a good idea to do that?

Just ask yourself one question: What would the GOP do?

As I understand it, you’re no longer responsible for debts you incurred in the past.

205 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:13:38pm
206 sagehen  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:14:31pm

re: #197 Tigger2005

Question: I have some credit card debts that are on no interest with payment plans. I have the money to pay them off now. Would it be a good idea to do that?

Is the no-interest an introductory offer?

If it’s going to spike, pay it off. If it’s going to continue at no interest, only pay as quick as you committed to and no more.

207 BeenHereAwhile  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:15:01pm

re: #109 Dr Lizardo

My dad told me about her when I was a kid. He didn’t really remember it, as he was only two years old when it happened, but he found about it as he grew older. A bit of Los Angeles folklore.

He always referred to fundamentalists as “holy rollers” and he never had much use for them. I know he didn’t like the Religious Right, and once they started getting more powerful in the GOP, that was when he left.

Some might find “Swap Meet Jesus by Tom Russel” as narrated by Little Jack Horton, a circus midget who was hired as a evangelist at the age of 16, as little profane. But he lived the life and knows thereof of what he speaks.

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208 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:15:10pm

I want to send Glenn Greenwald a Jack-in-the-Box with a rubber chicken. HERE’S YOUR PULLET SURPRISE!

209 Gus  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:15:55pm

re: #208 Vicious Babushka

I want to send Glenn Greenwald a Jack-in-the-Box with a rubber chicken. HERE’S YOUR PULLET SURPRISE!

Pull-It Sir Prize //

210 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:17:47pm
211 BeenHereAwhile  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:18:06pm

re: #134 Vicious Babushka

MikeAndy is still going at it. Does he really not know about Teh Googles or is he just trolling for teh lulz?

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212 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:20:09pm

re: #197 Tigger2005

Question: I have some credit card debts that are on no interest with payment plans. I have the money to pay them off now. Would it be a good idea to do that?

Is the interest rate variable or is the zero locked in for a period of time? If it’s locked in then take advantage of it.

I recently paid off all my student loans. I scrimped, saved, sold a ton of shit and sacrificed so I could pay them off early because half of them were variable interest, and I knew that I could wind up fucked if I went with the standard repayment plan and something like a default occurred. Haven’t had a vacation in three years and live like a monk, but it was worth it.

213 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:21:46pm

re: #210 Vicious Babushka

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Do these assholes not remember how badly that shit went down in the last general election? It really is like they never want to run the country again, just destroy it.

214 GeneJockey  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:21:58pm

re: #210 Vicious Babushka

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“Allow employers to control how employees spend their compensation, or the entire fucking world economy gets it!”

215 GeneJockey  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:23:45pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

Do these assholes not remember how badly that shit went down in the last general election? It really is like they never want to run the country again, just destroy it.

“If I can’t have you, nobody will!!”

Today someone tweeted that the GOP used to be the Daddy Party, but now they’re the Abusive Ex-boyfriend With A Substance Abuse Problem Party

216 ObserverArt  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:32:29pm

re: #215 GeneJockey

“If I can’t have you, nobody will!!”

Today someone tweeted that the GOP used to be the Daddy Party, but now they’re the Abusive Ex-boyfriend With A Substance Abuse Problem Party

White Punks on Dope!!!

217 mr.fusion  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 8:20:30pm

Andrew Sullivan:

Image: BWejAUNCIAA0c1p.jpg

Is Palin Invoking Locke’s Right Of Rebellion?

Of course, she’s never heard of John Locke, but the person who made the flag above her sure did. A reader writes:

Note the white sign with the green arrow, pointing up with the text “Appeal to Heaven.” I would suspect that most casual observers, perhaps even most reporters, would assume that meant something like, “Let’s pray about all this” or “Let’s pray to God to change Obama’s mind” or something other prayer-centered interpretation of what that sign might mean.

However, that exact phrase appears, as I’m sure you will recall, in Ch. 14 of Locke’s Second Treatise, which describes the nature and extent of executive power, especially the executive’s “prerogative,” i.e. discretionary power. Here’s the relevant passage, in which “appeal to heaven” is used in the context of unjust or abusive uses of prerogative power:

“The people have no other remedy in this, as in all other cases where they have no judge on earth, but to appeal to heaven: for the rulers, in such attempts, exercising a power the people never put into their hands, (who can never be supposed to consent that any body should rule over them for their harm) do that which they have not a right to do. And where the body of the people, or any single man, is deprived of their right, or is under the exercise of a power without right, and have no appeal on earth, then they have a liberty to appeal to heaven, whenever they judge the cause of sufficient moment.”

It is clear that “appeal to heaven” in the text means revolution or rebellion. When the usual, political channels — i.e. earthly channels — are exhausted, then you can revolt in the name of the “laws of nature” or the “rights” we all possess and which no “government” can take away. I’ll spare you a lengthy exegesis of these sentences; my point is that “appeal to heaven” is not a random phrase, but one from the history of political thought that clearly means revolution or rebellion — and one the people take into their own hands, even.

I don’t think we can ignore the fact that many on the Republican right now believe themselves to be in open, non-violent rebellion against the government of the United States. Having the lost the appeal to the majority of Americans, they will soon be invoking an appeal to a higher power - against the president.

218 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 8:37:03pm

re: #215 GeneJockey

“If I can’t have you, nobody will!!”

Today someone tweeted that the GOP used to be the Daddy Party, but now they’re the Abusive Ex-boyfriend With A Substance Abuse Problem Party

219 Lidane  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 8:38:29pm

re: #217 mr.fusion

Andrew Sullivan:

Image: BWejAUNCIAA0c1p.jpg

I don’t think we can ignore the fact that many on the Republican right now believe themselves to be in open, non-violent rebellion against the government of the United States. Having the lost the appeal to the majority of Americans, they will soon be invoking an appeal to a higher power - against the president.

Well, that answers my question about that flag from earlier. Wow.

The modern American right has gone completely insane.

220 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 10:24:35pm

re: #134 Vicious Babushka

That is the exact same text for that tweeted pic. Again and again.

221 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 10:28:57pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that all the Senate GOP would have done in voting for that bill would have been to drive an even greater wedge between them and their House fellows. Any Senate bill that resolves the crisis is either going to have to be a Republican bill or a bipartisan one. No Senate Democratic bill is going to be allowed a floor vote in the House.

And we come back to, at basis, party loyalty as it intersects realpolitik.

222 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 10:32:04pm

re: #174 sagehen

And god knows that maintaining cohesion between senate R’s and house TPer’s is more important than the full faith and credit of the United States.

I’ve tried to be sympathetic to your loyalty to what the R’s used to be, but this is my Rubicon. Go Fuck Yourself. Really.

Hear hear.

223 chadu  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 10:39:20pm

re: #217 mr.fusion

I don’t think we can ignore the fact that many on the Republican right now believe themselves to be in open, non-violent rebellion against the government of the United States. Having the lost the appeal to the majority of Americans, they will soon be invoking an appeal to a higher power - against the president.

And this is where I wish for an actual, rational Deist God. Appeal to Heaven, indeed.

224 EPR-radar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 11:10:18am

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that all the Senate GOP would have done in voting for that bill would have been to drive an even greater wedge between them and their House fellows. Any Senate bill that resolves the crisis is either going to have to be a Republican bill or a bipartisan one. No Senate Democratic bill is going to be allowed a floor vote in the House.

So it is to be party loyalty uber alles. Disappointing, but not surprising.

225 BusyMonster  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 12:40:25pm

re: #219 Lidane

It honestly looks like these guys are itching for a fight and have been since November 2008.

And they’re not going to be happy until someone obliges them and kicks their asses. It’s getting to be kind of freaky.


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