Politico’s Mike Allen: Confederate Flag ‘Reflects Badly’ on GOP but ‘There’s No Reason It Should’

The “one rotten apple” treatment
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Despite the fact that the guy with the Confederate flag was photographed and videoed right at the front of the demonstrations all day, and nobody said a word to him about raising the flag of slavery in front of the White House, where our first African American president lives with his family, and despite the fact that Republican stars Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin gave speeches, and despite the fact that it was also attended by the extreme right wing Oathkeepers militia, today on CNN’s The Lead Politico editor Mike Allen said he sees no reason why any of this should reflect badly on the GOP.

The presence (or omnipresence) of a Confederate flag at Sunday’s protest in Washington DC is being given the “one rotten apple” treatment by the mainstream media, despite the Tea Party-heavy crowd’s obvious comfort with the banner at every stop on the protest. On CNN’s The Lead with Jake Tapper Monday afternoon, host Jake Tapper discussed the incident with his panel, which Politico’s Mike Allen decided “does reflect badly, even though there’s no reason it should.”

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CNN contributor and Democratic strategist Donna Brazile denounced the incident as “incendiary,” adding that “for them to bring that flag at this moment and the kind of words they used, very inflammatory. It had no place.”

Republican strategist Kevin Madden called the flag “pure pageantry,” and said that “it should not, and I don’t think it will, deflect from the larger message that Republicans have on their differences over policy with the President and Democrats.”

“All that, and they’re just a dope,” Politico’s Mike Allen added. “That’s obviously going to undercut what they’re saying, and does reflect badly, even though there’s no reason it should.”

Tapper lamented that “If you look at pictures from that rally, you have all these very moving pictures of veterans, photographs of veterans.”

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172 comments
1 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 3:53:46pm
Republican strategist Kevin Madden called the flag “pure pageantry,”

“It’s just that ‘Celebrate Slavery Days’ LARP group that likes to hang out with us at the Values Voter Summit.”

2 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 3:55:11pm

Our media are getting really strange.

3 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 3:56:53pm
4 darthstar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 3:57:22pm

It’s not like they were defecating on police cars…

Okay, okay, we’ll give the racists and the bigots a pass this week, but next week you need to invite someone who is a Republican and isn’t a racist or a bigot.

Better?

5 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 3:58:31pm
Tapper lamented that “If you look at pictures from that rally, you have all these very moving pictures of veterans, photographs of veterans.”

Oddly enough he forgot to mention who’s been cutting veteran’s benefits.

6 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 3:58:35pm

Why do you continue to judge us on the fact that a lot of the people we appeal to are white supremacists and racial diversity seems to be totally missing from our rallies and events??? You’re racist!!!!!

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7 aagcobb  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 3:59:10pm

Canadian supervillain Dr. Evil, aka Ted Cruz, has the power to force a default. I don’t think he will, but the fact that one meglomaniacal demagogue can harm billions of people at his whim is sobering.

8 b.d.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 3:59:42pm

Someone on CNN called something that wasn’t CNN “pure pageantry” and he didn’t die on the spot from an attack of irony?

9 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 3:59:54pm

re: #3 Lidane

So, how long until Zombie Lincoln rises from the dead?

I say 24 hours.

10 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:01:02pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Our media are getting really strange.

Events like yesterday are releasing their inner racist. The more people they seeing doing this sort of thing, evidently the more they think it’s “mainstream” and should be reported that way.

Well, goddamn it, it isn’t “mainstream”, and even if it were, it would still be despicable.

11 b.d.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:01:39pm

Next up on CNN, how the Lion King was a great musical except for the all of the animals.

12 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:01:54pm

re: #3 Lidane

[Embedded content]

“GOD DAMMIT LONGSTREET! ITS ALL YOUR FUCKING FAULT WE’RE STUCK WITH OBAMA!”
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13 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:02:44pm

re: #9 ProTARDISLiberal

So, how long until Zombie Lincoln rises from the dead?

I say 24 hours.

Better bring back Uncle Billy Sherman too.
Youtube Video

14 erik_t  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:04:57pm

I’ve been to Gore rallies. I’ve been to Dean rallies. I’ve been to Kerry rallies. I’ve been to Obama rallies, twice. I’ve been to SSM rallies. I’ve been to anti-war demonstrations, for multiple wars.

Curiously, I have seen exactly zero (0) flags representing the Slave States of the Confederacy, in any of those events, combined, ever.

I wonder why.

15 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:05:44pm

re: #6 klys

Why do you continue to judge us on the fact that a lot of the people we appeal to are white supremacists and racial diversity seems to be totally missing from our rallies and events??? You’re racist!!!!!

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Mike Allen: “There’s a pony in there somewhere…”

16 piratedan  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:06:21pm

it helps to remember that this is from the same historical school the thinks that the Nazi’s were Socialists…. so the South won, next thing you know they’ll claim that while Alaska is a state, Hawaii isn’t. Democrats originally supported slavery and always will whereas the GOP freed the slaves and therefore can never be on the wrong side of civil rights ever again.

thanks to people like these, we have warning labels on things, maybe we should reconsider that particular government intervention.

17 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:07:51pm

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel
Btw, I’ve established that Tennessee Ernie Ford’s ancestors were in fact Unionists. They lived in Bristol County, Tennessee, a hotbed of such activity. He was born in 1919 so the Civil War would have been very much within living memory early in his life. Though he rarely mentioned it, Ernie served as a B-29 bombardier in World War 2 and flew combat missions over Japan. He died in 1991. I miss him a lot.

18 erik_t  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:08:33pm

re: #14 erik_t

I’ve been to Gore rallies. I’ve been to Dean rallies. I’ve been to Kerry rallies. I’ve been to Obama rallies, twice. I’ve been to SSM rallies. I’ve been to anti-war demonstrations, for multiple wars.

Curiously, I have seen exactly zero (0) flags representing the Slave States of the Confederacy, in any of those events, combined, ever.

I wonder why.

None of them has ever been as small as this alleged-million-vets-for-whatever, so don’t even start that weak shit.

19 freetoken  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:09:18pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Our media are getting really strange.

They’re desperate for eyes.

There is a widespread “ratings degredation” going on in a wide spectrum of media. There are too many choices. “Narrowcasting” has broken up the audiences into tiny fragments. If you’re a major company looking to buy advertising, which is how almost all these media fund themselves, then how much are you willing to spend on a 30 second spot that might be seen by only a few hundred thousand people?

Even more for the print media, the industry of which now looks like the aftermath of a major war.

How this plays out with Trapper et. al. I am not sure. I am sure that the demographics - that it is older people who watch the “news”, while younger people are listening to streaming services, doing social media, etc. - is skewing these TV “news” shows to be milquetoast for the broadcasters who want to be “mainstream”.

20 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:10:32pm

How is this not usury?

The dentist set to work, tapping and probing, then put down his tools and delivered the news. His patient, Patricia Gannon, needed a partial denture. The cost: more than $5,700.

Gannon, 78, was staggered. She said she could not afford it. And her insurance would pay only a small portion. But she was barely out of the chair, her mouth still sore, when her dentist’s office held out a solution: a special line of credit to help cover her bill. Before she knew it, Gannon recalled, the office manager was taking down her financial details.

But what seemed like the perfect answer — seemed, in fact, like just what the doctor ordered — has turned into a quagmire. Her new loan ensured that the dentist, Dr. Dan Knellinger, would be paid in full upfront. But for Gannon, the price was steep: an annual interest rate of about 23 percent, with a 33 percent penalty rate kicking in if she missed a payment.

She said that Knellinger’s office subsequently suggested another form of financing, a medical credit card, to pay for more work. Now, her minimum monthly dental bill, roughly $214 all told, is eating up a third of her Social Security check. If she is late, she faces a penalty of about $50.

21 Robert O.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:11:10pm

It takes a lot of hatred of America to be holding the Flag of Treason in the national capital.

22 erik_t  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:11:45pm

I’ve also been to rallies where hastily-scrawled signs appeared from thin air with statements to the effect of “HE DOESN’T REPRESENT US →”, rather like you see at some Westboro Baptist asshole-gatherings.

I’ve never seen a picture of one of these appearing next to a racially-tinged symbol at a recent right-wing gathering. Not one. And we know people still do that; we see them all the time at WBC things.

Of course, maybe any would-be sign-maker was afraid of being stand-his-ground’ed.

23 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:12:35pm
24 SpaceJesus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:12:49pm

Look at this man and how stupid he sounds

25 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:13:04pm

re: #23 Lidane

Blechh.

26 Good Morning  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:15:04pm

“the flag of slavery” How about the flag of conscription of poor whites and the flag of getting poor white men shot up for slavery. Whooop Whooop Whooop.

27 SpaceJesus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:16:04pm

re: #23 Lidane

Arkansas? No way

28 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:17:15pm

re: #17 Shiplord Kirel

Speaking of TN…

Tenn. Spike in Drug-Dependent Newborns Is Warning to Nation

nbclosangeles.com

“Hillbilly heroin” is a big problem around this area of NC as well.

29 freetoken  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:17:42pm
30 chadu  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:18:29pm

(reposting from downstairs)

So, today, I met with an ex-girlfriend to give her back her sex ropes and Tupperware, and she to give me back a couple Randall Garrett books she’d borrowed, over dim sum (Mark’s Duck House, in 7 Corners; recommended).

Then, I crossed the street, and had a coffee-date with my lesbian BFF, where we talked about relationships, cooking, history, sex, gardening, Dr. Who, and the strange number of blisteringly hot skinny girls (who neither of us is into) walking by.

And now, I have good beer.

Good day.

I love my fucked-up world, and just wanted to share it with you Lizardim.

31 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:20:41pm

re: #16 piratedan

it helps to remember that this is from the same historical school the thinks that the Nazi’s were Socialists…. so the South won, next thing you know they’ll claim that while Alaska is a state, Hawaii isn’t. Democrats originally supported slavery and always will whereas the GOP freed the slaves and therefore can never be on the wrong side of civil rights ever again.

thanks to people like these, we have warning labels on things, maybe we should reconsider that particular government intervention.

Sort of like how the British banned slavery first, so they were never racist afterwards, right?

32 ObserverArt  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:21:52pm

I’m late to today’s party, and haven’t been able to check out what’s been going on too much in discussions. I wonder about a twist to some of the developments and if anything like it has been discussed here at LGF today or prior.

Everyone has been concentrating on the Tea Party holding up government to hurt the Democrats/Liberals/Progressives. We know they want Obamacare and slashed budgets and other stuff and are prepared for government shut down to get it.

More and more it becomes obvious (today especially) they aren’t out just to stop with the Democratic party influence on politics, but they just may also be fine with taking down Republicans too.

The Senators seem to be working on a package to end the stalemate, but everyone still is questioning what are the Tea Party controlled House Reps going to accept. Everyone knows Boehner is in a huge career mess.

Do the Republicans from Mitch McC to The Boehnhead now realize the zealots may be prepared to take them out too? Shut down government indeed. Shut down both parties leadership. Damage as many career politicians as possible. Effect government in totality. I get the feeling Boehner losing his speakership and McConnell going down eventually, along with many of the moderates in the party would be just fine with the Tea Party. And if that is all he achieves, a carpetbagger like Cruz will be happy about that being his political career. He was the man that broke up the party, that took apart big power politics. Books and TV appearances to come. It feeds all the nut careers. Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, Colter will all paint it as necessary and good.

Could we end up with a smoking ruins in the Republican party more so than any damage to Democrats? And if so, will it be one of the biggest in your face blowups ever?

33 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:22:06pm

Soooo, Mr. Allen, if a large group of Muslims had been demonstrating in D.C. and some extremist nut was waving a black jihadi flag throughout the entire protest—including in front of the White House & at veterans memorials—and not a single Muslim moved to stop him, there would be no reason that should reflect badly on the Muslims at the event, right? RIGHT?

These assholes can take their double standards and shove them.

34 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:22:13pm

HURR HURR REPUBLICANS IS TEH PARTY OF LINCOLN!!!1!!!! TEH PARTY TAHT FREED TEH SLAVES!!!!!!

DEMOCRAST IS TEH RACISTS TEN AND ALWAYS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!

OBAMACARE IS TEH SLAVERY OF TODAYS!!!!!!!11!!!!

35 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:22:25pm

Meanwhile, not in Hooks, Texas…

36 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:23:49pm

The Jewish Journal caved to Ben and the Teahadis. I has a sad.

37 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:24:57pm

re: #33 CuriousLurker

Soooo, Mr. Allen, if a large group of Muslims had been demonstrating in D.C. and some extremist nut was waving a black jihadi flag throughout the entire protest—including in front of the White House & veterans memorials—and not a single Muslim moved to stop him, there would be no reason that should reflect badly on the Muslims at the event, right? RIGHT?

These assholes can take their double standards and shove them.

But the people who point this shit out - like, oh, Jon Stewart - should either be a) factchecked or b) not factchecked because he’s just a comedian, despite offering more relevant and accurate social commentary on politics than every cable news show out there these days. With the possible exception of Rachel Maddow.

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38 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:25:45pm

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

It’s not in most states. In fact, here in NC, many people are buying used cars with interest rates as high as 35% or more. There is no statute in NC setting a cap on interest in used car loans, as I found out years ago when working for an atty (who wrote the “lemon law” in this state, giving people recourse on that occurrence) and a client discovered they were paying 29% (that was in the ’80s). We even found people in GA were paying up to 50% for used car loans. A lot depends on how the contracts are written, also, and whether or not there is an increase in the rate written into the contract, as this poor woman found out.

Consumer interest charges can be very high, depending on the state in which you live. You can bet that contract was well researched and vetted by lawyers for the financing co.

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:26:09pm

re: #4 darthstar

It’s not like they were defecating on police cars…

Okay, okay, we’ll give the racists and the bigots a pass this week, but next week you need to invite someone who is a Republican and isn’t a racist or a bigot.

Better?

Thing is, just last week, there were WWII vets all upset that not only the memorials were closed but so were the bathrooms.
One was quoted saying “I’ll just piss on some trees.”
So, apparently pissing in public is ok…

40 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:26:46pm

re: #33 CuriousLurker

Soooo, Mr. Allen, if a large group of Muslims had been demonstrating in D.C. and some extremist nut was waving a black jihadi flag throughout the entire protest—including in front of the White House & veterans memorials—and not a single Muslim moved to stop him, there would be no reason that should reflect badly on the Muslims at the event, right? RIGHT?

These assholes can take their double standards and shove them.

The first rule of Derp Club is that all the other rules don’t apply to members of the Derp Club.

Because Derp.

41 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:26:55pm

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

The Jewish Journal caved to Ben and the Teahadis. I has a sad.

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What’s nuts is if you read some of the comments. Some of them I see as at least more reasonable. Some are totally batshit.

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:27:26pm

re: #5 jaunte

Oddly enough he forgot to mention who’s been cutting veteran’s benefits.

And forgot which party for many MANY years was blocking public funding for that WWII memorial…

43 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:27:37pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thing is, just last week, there were WWII vets all upset that not only the memorials were closed but so were the bathrooms.
One was quoted saying “I’ll just piss on some trees.”
So, apparently pissing in public is ok…

Are there no private sector bathrooms?

44 b.d.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:28:58pm

One Mexican Flag at an immigration rally causes a rush to the fainting couches but the rebel flag being waved in front of the home of the 1st African American president should be greeted with a meh?

45 Bubblehead II  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:29:06pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Our media has are getting gotten really strange.

ftfy

And this is news? Sadly, I can remember when they actually reported the news in a neutral manner and let the viewer make their own decision. Today?, It’s a fucking editorial slanted toward the “reporters” political views.

That’s why I hang here. At least I get info and links from both sides, to base my decisions upon.

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:30:05pm

re: #10 Justanotherhuman

Events like yesterday are releasing their inner racist. The more people they seeing doing this sort of thing, evidently the more they think it’s “mainstream” and should be reported that way.

Well, goddamn it, it isn’t “mainstream”, and even if it were, it would still be despicable.

They aren’t “releasing their inner racist”, they’ve always been that way.
Difference now is that the media is falling all over itself to give them facetime in front of cameras and microphones.

47 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:30:05pm

re: #43 jaunte

Are there no private sector bathrooms?

Privatization of toilets would be harsh…inelastic demand.

48 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:30:45pm

re: #38 Justanotherhuman

It’s not in most states. In fact, here in NC, many people are buying used cars with interest rates as high as 35% or more. There is no statute in NC setting a cap on interest in used car loans, as I found out years ago when working for an atty (who wrote the “lemon law” in this state, giving people recourse on that occurrence) and a client discovered they were paying 29% (that was in the ’80s). We even found people in GA were paying up to 50% for used car loans. A lot depends on how the contracts are written, also, and whether or not there is an increase in the rate written into the contract, as this poor woman found out.

Consumer interest charges can be very high, depending on the state in which you live. You can bet that contract was well researched and vetted by lawyers for the financing co.

Okay, that’s fucked up but the woman in question doesn’t even seem to have been made aware of the cost of the procedure until after it was done. In any event the way it’s written she wasn’t presented with the financing option until after the procedure was done and while she was still partially anesthetized. If true that’s just massively unethical.

Hopefully she can discharge the debt through bankruptcy.

49 b.d.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:31:45pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sometimes watering that Tree of Liberty takes many different forms.

50 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:34:56pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

They aren’t “releasing their inner racist”, they’ve always been that way.
Difference now is that the media is falling all over itself to give them facetime in front of cameras and microphones.

I was speaking of the press, not the participants—their racism has been out there all this time.

51 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:36:50pm

Pffft, how could “The Flag of Treason” possibly reflect badly on Republicans?

52 Gus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:37:25pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thing is, just last week, there were WWII vets all upset that not only the memorials were closed but so were the bathrooms.
One was quoted saying “I’ll just piss on some trees.”
So, apparently pissing in public is ok…

The tree of liberty must occasionally be watered by the urine of patriots.

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53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:39:27pm

re: #43 jaunte

Are there no private sector bathrooms?

Yes, but McDonald’s demands you first purchase something from the overhead menu…

54 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:39:27pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Okay, that’s fucked up but the woman in question doesn’t even seem to have been made aware of the cost of the procedure until after it was done. In any event the way it’s written she wasn’t presented with the financing option until after the procedure was done and while she was still partially anesthetized. If true that’s just massively unethical.

Hopefully she can discharge the debt through bankruptcy.

Dentists are one of those cases where I think more people need to get second opinions.

I had dental insurance through college, courtesy of my parents, but lost it when I started graduate school and was paying out of pocket for cleanings. My mom got me a discount cleaning when I went home (coupon in the paper) and I went in for it, at which point they promptly told me I needed 11 fillings. I’d never had a filling before in my life.

I promptly freaked out, wondering how to pay for it, and went to see another dentist once I was back in CA (since there was no way I was going to get the work done while I was home in NJ). He was of the opinion that I needed one filling and we’re keeping an eye on the rest of them, to see what happens. Five years later and we’re still keeping an eye on them.

His (perhaps generous) explanation was that dentists from some schools (predominantly on the East Coast according to him) were more likely to recommend action instead of a wait-and-see approach).

That one filling still cost me $300 out of pocket.

55 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:39:30pm

The tree of liberty must occasionally be watered with the bitter tears of persecuted wingnuts.

56 Gus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:39:34pm
57 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:40:24pm

re: #50 Justanotherhuman

I was speaking of the press, not the participants—their racism has been out there all this time.

I was also including the press in that observation.

58 freetoken  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:40:49pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

The tree of liberty must occasionally be watered with the bitter tears of persecuted wingnuts.

… and by the urine of tea partiers who wouldn’t want their tax money to pay for a public restroom that was open.

59 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:42:21pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

The tree of liberty must occasionally be watered with the bitter tears piss of persecuted wingnuts.

FTFY

60 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:43:22pm

On the degrees of separation concept, I am going to be two degrees of separation from Mohawk guy of the Mars lander.

He talked to an English class at my high school via Skype taught by the same teacher that I will talk for when I go home in November.

/geekmoment

61 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:43:48pm

re: #54 klys

Orly Taitz is allegedly a dentist…
I put the root of the blame on her.

62 Gus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:44:05pm

Dey tuk er jerbs!

63 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:44:22pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

Orly Taitz is allegedly a dentist…
I put the root of the blame on her.

That is a horrible, horrible pun.

+1

64 Gus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:44:24pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

Orly Taitz is allegedly a dentist…
I put the root of the blame on her.

You’ve got some nerve!

65 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:45:50pm

re: #64 Gus

You’ve got some nerve!

Her crowning achievement…

66 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:46:28pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

Her crowning achievement…

Do you think it can be properly extracted from the history books?

67 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:46:56pm

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:47:25pm

re: #66 klys

Do you think it can be properly extracted from the history books?

only if she can get to the Roots of the Obama birther scandal.

69 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:47:29pm

re: #67 Varek Raith

I DIDN’T MEAN TO.

/you won’t feel a thing after a minute

70 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:47:47pm

Is it safe?

71 piratedan  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:48:02pm

re: #66 klys

Do you think it can be properly extracted from the history books?

I’m guessing she was made delusional from flouridated water…

72 sagehen  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:48:12pm

No nono, it’s a total misunderstanding to call it the flag of treason in defense of slavery — he just meant it as the flag of Jim Crow and segregation!! Why do we always have to assume the worst about their intentions?

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73 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:48:23pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

Is it safe?

It’s never safe.

74 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:49:47pm

Worst case scenario: Default leads to economic collapse, wingnuts break out ARs to “take over.” And that would be the end of them.

75 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:49:59pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

Is it safe?

With a bit of a mind flip
You’re into the time slip
And nothing can ever be the same
You’re spaced out on sensation
Like you’re under sedation

76 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:50:34pm

Just wait now for the Twitchy team and the Breitbrats to swarm en masse on The Babushka

77 Gus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:51:02pm

NSA collects millions of…Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[Clunk.]

78 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:51:42pm

True story, when I went under anere: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

With a bit of a mind flip
You’re into the time slip
And nothing can ever be the same
You’re spaced out on sensation
Like you’re under sedation

Dude, I was 10(?) and under the not-quite-general-but-definitely-not-awake for having a tooth pulled and came out of it in hysterics.

I distinctly remember they wouldn’t let me run around the room and I was peeved.

Of course, when I had my appendix out and they wanted me to open my eyes before they removed the breathing tube I wanted none of that either, because it was my first sleep in 36 hours. This would be why I needed cough drops for a sore throat later.

79 Gus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:53:41pm

Breaking: Tooth fairy is a lie.

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:53:55pm

re: #78 klys


Sodium pentothal for my wisdom teeth…
First time I had my appointment in the afternoon and learned well enough to schedule my second appointment for first thing in the morning.
funtimes!

81 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:54:02pm

Not to be outdone, Gellman writes about this.

NSA collects millions of e-mail address books globally

washingtonpost.com

“The collection depends on secret arrangements with foreign telecommunications companies or allied intelligence services in control of facilities that direct traffic along the Internet’s main data routes.

“Although the collection takes place overseas, two senior U.S. intelligence officials acknowledged that it sweeps in the contacts of many Americans. They declined to offer an estimate but did not dispute that the number is likely to be in the millions or tens of millions.”

Note: “…the collection takes place overseas” and are contingent upon arrangements with foreign cos and/or intelligence services.

I think if you are a US citizen, you’re in more danger of having corporations knowing more about you and who you are than the NSA.

82 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:54:33pm

Senate leadership aides say that the possible deal would lift the debt limit through Feb. 7, re-open the government until Jan. 15 and require a report from bicameral negotiators on the budget by Dec. 13.

The compromise at this point would not involve a repeal of the medical device tax - something Republicans had been pushing for — but it would give federal agencies more flexibility to implement budget cuts resulting from sequestration.

nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com

i’m glad to hear the terms in the 2nd pp, but short term solutions just empower the teahadis to make more mischief

maybe we should just have continuous “negotiations” while the congress issues one day extensions

83 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:55:14pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sodium pentathol for my wisdom teeth…
First time I had my appointment in the afternoon and learned well enough to schedule my second appointment for first thing in the morning.
funtimes!

I did all 4 wisdom teeth at once (that was a fun spring break) and was out-ish for the majority of it. I remember waking up for a little bit? And hearing grinding. It’s kind of fuzzy.

I know from later discussion that they broke some of my wisdom teeth in half to do the extraction without messing up the rest of the teeth. The joys of a too-small mouth.

84 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:55:42pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sodium pentathol for my wisdom teeth…

you wisdom teeth will now confess to all your crimes

85 Minor_L  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:57:00pm

Surprisingly good piece from Roger Simon: politico.com

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:57:06pm

re: #83 klys

Ah, they had to “shave” my jawbone for my extractions.
Bone splinters were showing up for years after.
But, yes, joys of a small mouth (my husband might disagree with that from time to time…)

87 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:57:36pm

re: #82 dog philosopher

Senate leadership aides say that the possible deal would lift the debt limit through Feb. 7, re-open the government until Jan. 15 and require a report from bicameral negotiators on the budget by Dec. 13.

The compromise at this point would not involve a repeal of the medical device tax - something Republicans had been pushing for — but it would give federal agencies more flexibility to implement budget cuts resulting from sequestration.

nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com

i’m glad to hear the terms in the 2nd pp, but short term solutions just empower the teahadis to make more mischief

maybe we should just have continuous “negotiations” while the congress issues one day extensions

It’s really the best deal we could hope for. GOP sets no real precedent of concessions for CRs/DLs, DNC agrees to talks, and we get a few months of seeing the GOP try hard to convince people that screwing over the old and sick is something we should seriously consider in the lead-up to Christmas.

88 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:58:28pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ah, they had to “shave” my jawbone for my extractions.
Bone splinters were showing up for years after.
But, yes, joys of a small mouth (my husband might disagree with that from time to time…)

You know, I thought it couldn’t get worse. Shows what I know! At least I got mine all over with in one sitting.

That was the spring break where, on drugs, I decided I really didn’t give a shit about chemical engineering and why bother with the double major anymore? Of course it was too late to drop classes at that point, so I still finished statics.

89 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:59:10pm

True story, when I was like 11 or 12 or so I had 9 teeth extracted at once. Was born with too many baby and too many adult teeth and shit was starting to get ridiculous in there. So I went to the oral surgeon, got knocked out and woke up with a mouth full of bloody gauze.

The upshot is it freed up enough room that I have all my wisdom teeth, even though one of those came in at a fucked up 35 degree forward tilt.

90 Gus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 4:59:33pm
91 freetoken  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:00:53pm

America has a God-problem.

Seriously.

With Cruz and Bachmann running around saying God wants them to keep doing what they doing and that defaulting is God’s will, what else can we conclude?

How do these fringe idiots have so much influence in DC?

Because American has a God-problem.

Namely, the belief system of so many Americans is built on the sandiest of grounds. Modern science had dismantled all of traditional magickal explanations for life, the universe, and everything else. Modern governance doesn’t work with patriarchal tribal religion that is preached every Sunday from tens of thousands of pulpits.

Yet American politicians, even President Obama, are afraid to speak clearly about the God-delusions of people like Cruz and Bachmann.

92 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:02:18pm

re: #83 klys

I still have all my wisdom teeth. When I get around to extracting them, I’m going to do all four at once. I’m a wuss when it comes to the idea of surgery of any kind, so if it has to be done, I’d rather gather my courage for one appointment than four.

93 ObserverArt  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:03:09pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

Is it safe?

Marathon Man?

94 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:03:37pm

re: #90 Gus

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Fuck that.

95 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:03:48pm

re: #85 Minor_L

Surprisingly good piece from Roger Simon: politico.com

Saw that earlier. The comments are about what you’d expect.

96 Minor_L  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:03:58pm

This was from the Roger Simon piece I linked above:

Question: If Ted Cruz and John Boehner were both on a sinking ship, who would be saved?
Answer: America.

97 Minor_L  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:04:16pm

re: #95 Lidane

Yeah, never read the comments.

98 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:04:43pm

re: #92 Lidane

I still have all my wisdom teeth. When I get around to extracting them, I’m going to do all four at once. I’m a wuss when it comes to the idea of surgery of any kind, so if it has to be done, I’d rather gather my courage for one appointment than four.

If mine had come in at all, I would have been fucked, so it needed to be done before that became a possibility.

Hence I was 18.

…on the flipside, they represented numbers 7-10 pulled, so…

I was asleep for them, except for the spot where I maybe woke up. But the grinding memory might come from 3-6, where I was awake (that was 4 years after the hysterics fiasco, so they didn’t want to put me under for that). Like I said, fuzzy.

99 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:05:13pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

It’s really the best deal we could hope for. GOP sets no real precedent of concessions for CRs/DLs, DNC agrees to talks, and we get a few months of seeing the GOP try hard to convince people that screwing over the old and sick is something we should seriously consider in the lead-up to Christmas.

It also keeps the GOP’s intransigence and radical agenda alive in the lead-in to the 2014 elections. This should be fun.

100 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:05:18pm

re: #95 Lidane

Saw that earlier. The comments are about what you’d expect.

PLANTS!!!

101 gwangung  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:05:28pm
Tapper lamented that “If you look at pictures from that rally, you have all these very moving pictures of veterans, photographs of veterans.”

Mighty white of him.

102 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:05:35pm

Wow, am I the only person who never got wisdom teeth?

Honestly, I never did. One dentist said I was very “evolved”, haha.

103 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:05:55pm

Greg Sargent came up with a great idea earlier today, one which should be brought up in the upcoming bicameral talks. Namely that Democrats should go ahead and take up McConnell on his proposal from the ‘11 standoff, which would give the White House the ability to raise the debt ceiling itself, barring one or both houses of Congress voting to not allow it to do so. It seemed like a bad idea at the time, going into election season, but now it just seems to be absolute sense.

104 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:06:35pm

re: #102 Justanotherhuman

Wow, am I the only person who never got wisdom teeth?

Honestly, I never did. One dentist said I was very “evolved”, haha.

I am jealous.

105 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:06:50pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

It’s really the best deal we could hope for. GOP sets no real precedent of concessions for CRs/DLs, DNC agrees to talks, and we get a few months of seeing the GOP try hard to convince people that screwing over the old and sick is something we should seriously consider in the lead-up to Christmas.

next time this happens, we should put some old and sick people behind the barricades to the national monuments so they’ll get a little press attention for a change…

106 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:07:04pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

It’s really the best deal we could hope for. GOP sets no real precedent of concessions for CRs/DLs, DNC agrees to talks, and we get a few months of seeing the GOP try hard to convince people that screwing over the old and sick is something we should seriously consider in the lead-up to Christmas.

It also puts the next debt limit fight right at the start of the 2014 primary season, where it can do the most structural damage to the GOP.

107 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:07:34pm

re: #102 Justanotherhuman

Wow, am I the only person who never got wisdom teeth?

my teeth are of the not-so-swift type

108 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:07:42pm

re: #104 klys

I am jealous.

I love my wisdom teeth. They’re me chompers.

109 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:08:43pm

re: #100 dog philosopher

PLANTS!!!

“Confederate Flag Guy is a librul plant!”

“You libtards are the real racists!”

“The Confederate flag isn’t racist! It’s a symbol of pride!”

“The Civil War wasn’t about slavery! Read your history!”

And so on. For over 1000 comments. Oy.

110 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:13:42pm

Thing to remember is part of making the Thursday deadline with the Senate bill is that unanimous consent will have to be reached tomorrow in order to avoid 30 hours of debate. And there’s several TPers in the Senate who no doubt would love to make their bones being the first one to jump up and object to unanimous consent.

111 b.d.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:20:00pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

They’ll ask for unanimous consent real quick and pretend to hear no objections?

112 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:23:29pm

re: #91 freetoken

America has a God-problem.

Seriously.

With Cruz and Bachmann running around saying God wants them to keep doing what they doing and that defaulting is God’s will, what else can we conclude?

How do these fringe idiots have so much influence in DC?

Because American has a God-problem.

Namely, the belief system of so many Americans is built on the sandiest of grounds. Modern science had dismantled all of traditional magickal explanations for life, the universe, and everything else. Modern governance doesn’t work with patriarchal tribal religion that is preached every Sunday from tens of thousands of pulpits.

Yet American politicians, even President Obama, are afraid to speak clearly about the God-delusions of people like Cruz and Bachmann.

America has a doubt problem.

The magical thinking extends far beyond the idea of religious motives. Free market extremism and anti-environmental stances don’t just come from Jesus, but from a larger anti-scientific, anti-intellectual impulse where people (1) won’t do the research (2) don’t know fact from supposition, (3) mistake passion for veracity. But it’s not just monetary policy; social conservatism is just as much about lack of a bullshit detector. “Race realism,” social Darwinism, archaic gender structures…none emanated just from a religious dogma. Drop every religious nut out of the equation and the GOP would still be full of crackpots. Goldbugs, racists, class warriors, Randians, paleolibertarians.

There’s also the more basic issue of lack of rational self-doubt. The basis of wingnut cliques is the failure to self-critique. If someone strays, then they were always a counterfeit and a traitor…no reflection goes on. This has over time scaled up to form the affiliation structure of wingnuts where it’s hard-coded that you’re One Of Us and Right, or Not One of Us and Wrong.

Before you ever get to flaws in ideology, there’s flaws in operational logic so large that whatever ideology is piled on top is just a garnish…the perfume of justification.

113 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:24:11pm

re: #111 b.d.

They’ll ask for unanimous consent real quick and pretend to hear no objections?

Reid and McConnell will conspire to lock Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Mike Lee in a utility closet until the vote is taken.

114 freetoken  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:26:27pm

From quackery (and homeopathy is just the tip of the iceberg) to demons to secret organizations, America is filled with delusions.

And there are no doubt universal, human reasons for this.

But in specific, America has a real religion problem.

Ensconced in our society is a framework for determining “truth”: by listening to men (and it is almost always men) reading from a book, or books, of ancient superstitions and then repeating the words as a mantra until the neuronal pathways of our brains only recognize that mantra as “truth”.

The Enlightenment and the entire rise of modern Science has been accomplished by fighting this method of human social control.

Yet in this country, which arose out of colonies founded and settled by hyper-religious zealots in many cases, we have more than most any other western nation (or even developed nations in the old East) tried to protect out-dated modes of thinking and of training ourselves.

Yes, we as a nation like to question “authority”, but only to the extent of questioning temporary civic establishment, but older social orders take a longer time to turn over and we are much more afraid to question those.

Even on the subject of slavery which some of you are discussing, note that the US was behind many of Europe in outlawing chattel slavery. This is because America really was in conflict between those who wanted to move forward and many who wanted to remain backwards.

Today it is rare to hear a politician confront others, like Cruz, who always say “God” tells them to do this or that - where are the other politicians call out Cruz and calling him delusional, which he is?

Well?

Yes, at the local level here in California and a few other big states or in big cities one can find the rare public official who will openly declare they are not going to buy the delusions of the religious nuts.

But on the national level where are those leaders who will look at Cruz and tell him openly that he is either (1) delusional, or (2) a con-artist selling religion?

115 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:29:29pm

OK. We know the trucker “protest” photos making the rounds are all either stock images or from other dates. Which one is this?

Image: 1375272_678249125520057_996091347_n.jpg

116 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:29:52pm

re: #107 dog philosopher

my teeth are of the not-so-swift type

Don’t feel bad if you still have them all. : ) Mine used to be OK until I moved up here to well water and no flouride. I had no dental care as a child and probably 8 or so fillings (mostly molars) from the time I became an adult and paid my own way for dental care. Front teeth were always strong with not too much overbite. I got my teeth cleaned every 6 mos; flossed, etc. Now, after 14 yrs living in this area, I have lost several teeth (those molars) because fillings fell out and could not be replaced because there was decay underneath so they were pulled (most were 30-40 yrs old). At my age, I’m not interested in extensive rehab of my teeth and will get along with those that are left. I couldn’t afford the cost anyway, which would be both upper and lower bridgework or complete dentures (which I don’t want).

117 b.d.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:30:07pm

Derp

118 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:30:57pm

re: #117 b.d.

Derp

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He really has gone off the deep end.

119 PT Barnum  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:31:42pm

re: #117 b.d.

Derp

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Denial ain’t a river in Egypt, it’s a state of being for wingnuts

120 piratedan  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:32:31pm

re: #117 b.d.

Derp

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I think Dave has confused ideological with Pyrrhic…..

121 Gus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:32:37pm

re: #115 Lidane

OK. We know the trucker “protest” photos making the rounds are all either stock images or from other dates. Which one is this?

Image: 1375272_678249125520057_996091347_n.jpg

Dates at least back to 2009…

livingincottonwoodheights.com

122 Gus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:34:00pm

2008…

123 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:34:42pm

re: #121 Gus

Dates at least back to 2009…

livingincottonwoodheights.com

Someone should’ve done a Page on all the fake photos showing where they originated. VB would’ve had a lot of fun tweeting that to wingnuts.

124 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:34:57pm

re: #122 Gus

2008…

A protest so powerful it moves back in time.

125 b.d.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:36:09pm

re: #115 Lidane

Image: semi-trucks.jpg
July, 2008

Love the headline.

Teamsters President Hoffa Says “NO” to Larger Trucks on America’s Highways

126 freetoken  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:36:50pm

re: #122 Gus

2008…

What is 2 x 2 x 2 x 251?

127 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:37:03pm

re: #124 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

A protest so powerful it moves back in time.

The trucker convoy has always been at war with Eastasia the White House.

128 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:38:36pm

re: #121 Gus

Dates at least back to 2009…

livingincottonwoodheights.com

Awesome, thanks. A friend shared that photo on her FB and I needed a link to prove it was an old photo.

129 jvic  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:38:58pm

If you go to a conservative site and argue—-ignoring the ethical dimension and talking in purely utilitarian terms—-that stuff like the Confederate flag is politically counterproductive, you get mobbed.

When Bill Clinton was elected in 1992, Walter Mondale allegedly told him he had not expected to see another Democrat President in his lifetime. So, how do you suppose it happened? Twice now, with the probable Hillary on deck?

If you ask that question on a typical conservative site, Whose side are you on, anyway? is one of the mildest responses you’ll get.

130 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:40:54pm

re: #124 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

A protest so powerful it moves back in time.

And changes the weather.

131 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:41:01pm

7.2 magnitude earthquake in Midanao, Philippines.

earthquake.usgs.gov

132 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:42:10pm

Dear Wingnuts,
It was raining on the day of the trucker ‘protest’. Do at least try to make an effort of it.

133 b.d.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:44:22pm

re: #131 Dr Lizardo
I hadn’t seen this part:

Due to a lapse in Federal funding, the USGS Earthquake Hazards Program has suspended most of its operations. While the USGS will continue to monitor and report on earthquake activity, the accuracy or timeliness of some earthquake information products, as well as the availability or functionality of some web pages, could be affected by our reduced level of operation.

Thanks for the link Dr Lizardo, that’s a big one and I hope damage is negligible and that people are safe.

134 Gus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:45:25pm

LIBRUL LIURS IM NOT GONNA CLIK ON UR LINK!!!!!!!!!!!

135 freetoken  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:46:29pm

This is just another example of what a God-delusion will do:

African American Pastor Blames Civil Rights Movement for State of the Black Family

An African American pastor blamed the Civil Rights Movement for the weakened state of the black family and agreed with Christian social science experts that a re-emphasis on family will empower the black population.

Due to the Civil Rights Movement, African Americans “went in one election cycle from being 95% Republican to 70 to 80 percent Democrat – from that point, blacks began to change their mentality from the provision of God and the church to the provision of government,” Bishop Wellington Boone, a church leader and bestselling author, said. He spoke at the conservative Heritage Foundation on Thursday as part of the Coalition of African American Pastors’ Leadership Conference.

After describing a social system where pastors encouraged men to provide for their families and churches stepped in to help the poor, Boone blamed the Civil Rights Movement for separating the family from the church and weakening the commitment of black men and women to each other. “The Civil Rights Movement led those same people from the steps of the altars to the steps of the Federal Government,” he declared.

[…]

In every case I’ve come across yet, when an African American is towing the glibertarian/paleo-right line that AA turns out to be hyper-religious fundamentalist.

136 Gus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:46:43pm
137 Stoatly  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:47:51pm

re: #90 Gus

Oh Em Effing Gee,
Its back leg is nearly the size of a man

I saw a big croc in Zimbabwe (nowhere near that size - but big enough)
It was lying on the opposite side of a river from our camp - moved about 3 feet in as many days
Then there was a disturbance up river as another croc pulled an antelope into the water and this thing started running down the bank at a hell of a speed and then surged up the river like a fucking motorboat.

It was terrifying to see something that big move so fast.

The crocs divided up the corpse by grabbing a bit it in their jaws and spinning themselves over and over until a chunk came off - “our” croc sailed happily back with the biggest share, about 1/4 of the poor creature

I’ve had a healthy respect for the bastards ever since

138 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:48:13pm

re: #133 b.d.

I hadn’t seen this part:

Thanks for the link Dr Lizardo, that’s a big one and I hope damage is negligible and that people are safe.

Here’s another link, that says it was a shallow earthquake, only 10 kms below ground: earthquake-report.com

139 freetoken  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:48:28pm

America is hardly the only nation suffering from God-delusions:

Malaysian court rules use of ‘Allah’ exclusive to Muslims

140 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:51:34pm

Please proceed:

141 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:55:58pm

re: #131 Dr Lizardo

7.2 magnitude earthquake in Midanao, Philippines.

earthquake.usgs.gov

Freddie Aguilar: Mindanao

Youtube Video

142 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:56:12pm

re: #82 dog philosopher

Senate leadership aides say that the possible deal would lift the debt limit through Feb. 7, re-open the government until Jan. 15 and require a report from bicameral negotiators on the budget by Dec. 13.

The compromise at this point would not involve a repeal of the medical device tax - something Republicans had been pushing for — but it would give federal agencies more flexibility to implement budget cuts resulting from sequestration.

nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com

i’m glad to hear the terms in the 2nd pp, but short term solutions just empower the teahadis to make more mischief

maybe we should just have continuous “negotiations” while the congress issues one day extensions

The thing is, even if the Senate gets on board with this, will it have a chance in hell in the House?

143 Belafon  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:58:29pm

re: #82 dog philosopher

So, in January, after everyone has gotten used to the world returning someone back to normal, it starts up again. I’m sure this will be a win for the TeaCruzers.

144 freetoken  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 5:58:58pm

I see Paleo-Pat wants the GOP to go all in and “refuse to raise the white flag.”

The hate-right, the ugly-right, want to tear the whole house down because of the black man in the White house.

145 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:06:45pm

re: #140 Lidane

Please proceed:

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I’ve been waiting for the (hell, I can’t even call them moderates anymore) big business money whore wing of the Republican Party to realize whether they like or not they’re already in a civil war. The problem is that establishment Republicans have acted like the Tea Party’s bitch for so long that they’ve internalized the feelings of inferiority. They know that they’ve sold themselves to a bunch of crazy, drug addled, god bothering skin heads, and they’ve got the tattoos to prove it. Standing up and taking the fight directly to their own base’s steroid abusing id might be too scary for most of them even though in reality they have no other viable path to relevance.

146 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:12:08pm
147 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:12:24pm

Al Libi’s wife says he has Hep C; treated for a “pre-existing” condition at NYC medical facility.

Alleged al Qaeda operative Al Libi taken to New York week after capture in Libya

cnn.com

(CNN) — The United States has brought Abu Anas al Libi — an alleged al Qaeda operative whom U.S. Army Delta Force soldiers captured in Libya this month — to New York, a U.S. attorney’s office said Monday.

“He was transferred to law enforcement custody and brought to the United States on Saturday, according to a letter from the office of Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara to a federal judge.

“Al Libi is expected to appear before a judicial officer on Tuesday, Bharara’s office said.”

148 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:13:58pm

and what are the freepers reading this evening??

On this edition of The Conservative Beacon Podcast with Josh Price, Josh illuminates the potential dangers of the anti-Constitutionialists in the media like MSNBC’s Chris Hayes, The New Work Times, The Washington Post, CBS, etc. and their increasingly pro-dictatorial rhetoric.

i believe at this point george orwell is generating a magnetic field from the velocity with which he is spinning in his grave

149 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:15:41pm

So, that recruiter who called me back in for another interview?

Scam job, they wanted me to pay a $6k “retainer” for their services.

150 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:17:52pm

As Washington Crumbles, This Senator’s Rise To The Presidency Is Almost Assured

Today is a rainy, gloomy day in Washington.

And as John Boehner is up at the White House negotiating the unconditional surrender of House Republicans, I unexpectedly ran into Senator Ted Cruz outside of Washington’s Omni Shoreham Hotel.

Cruz was smiling and said he was invigorated by the outpouring of support for his campaign against Obamacare.

Of course, you may be wondering why Cruz is happy while the Republican leaders around him are groping for a lifeline from Obama and a way to settle the dispute.

The reasons are simple…

Strength Through Experience

First, Senator Ted Cruz isn’t like most politicians.

He was raised by a father who escaped from Castro’s revolution - a revolution that started by instituting socialized medicine, and then moved on to confiscating private property.
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So it remains to be known exactly what Speaker John Boehner will do to end the stalemate with Barack Obama. My only prediction is that he’ll eventually cave in to the pressure of the media and D.C.

John Boehner is very much a member of what I call the “Permanent Class.” They’re the ruling elite who always look to grow and expand the power of government.

But whatever Boehner, Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell, and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor do to bring Congress back into compliance with the wishes of the Permanent Class, Senator Cruz has won the debate.

Obamacare is a failure. And whatever D.C. does to fix it won’t likely work. And everyone in the country knows Cruz is the leader with enough courage to actually repeal it.

So along with launching the first broadside of the 2014 battle for Congress, Cruz has laid the groundwork to run for President of the United States. With that, he’s nicely positioned to be the anti-Washington candidate in the 2016 Republican Presidential sweepstakes. (Heck, since he’s such a perfect candidate, the election should just be canceled.)

Cruz should be smiling

“the election should just be canceled”

hahaha it was just a JOKE fercrissakes!

151 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:17:57pm

re: #149 Kragar

So, that recruiter who called me back in for another interview?

Scam job, they wanted me to pay a $6k “retainer” for their services.

Things that make you go “hmm”…

152 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:18:03pm

re: #149 Kragar

Sorry to hear that.

:HUGS:

153 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:18:51pm

re: #149 Kragar

So, that recruiter who called me back in for another interview?

Scam job, they wanted me to pay a $6k “retainer” for their services.

I can’t bring myself to +1 this.

But this really, really, really fucking sucks and I’m sorry that it happened. :(

154 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:19:11pm

re: #149 Kragar

Haha, did you tell them if you had $6K you wouldn’t need them?

(I’m not laughing at you—I’m sorry you were scammed—but they are pitiful in the extreme to pull that kind of of dishonest stunt.)

155 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:19:28pm

re: #150 dog philosopher

As Washington Crumbles, This Senator’s Rise To The Presidency Is Almost Assured

Today is a rainy, gloomy day in Washington.

And as John Boehner is up at the White House negotiating the unconditional surrender of House Republicans, I unexpectedly ran into Senator Ted Cruz outside of Washington’s Omni Shoreham Hotel.

Cruz was smiling and said he was invigorated by the outpouring of support for his campaign against Obamacare.

Of course, you may be wondering why Cruz is happy while the Republican leaders around him are groping for a lifeline from Obama and a way to settle the dispute.

The reasons are simple…

Strength Through Experience

First, Senator Ted Cruz isn’t like most politicians.

He was raised by a father who escaped from Castro’s revolution - a revolution that started by instituting socialized medicine, and then moved on to confiscating private property.
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So it remains to be known exactly what Speaker John Boehner will do to end the stalemate with Barack Obama. My only prediction is that he’ll eventually cave in to the pressure of the media and D.C.

John Boehner is very much a member of what I call the “Permanent Class.” They’re the ruling elite who always look to grow and expand the power of government.

But whatever Boehner, Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell, and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor do to bring Congress back into compliance with the wishes of the Permanent Class, Senator Cruz has won the debate.

Obamacare is a failure. And whatever D.C. does to fix it won’t likely work. And everyone in the country knows Cruz is the leader with enough courage to actually repeal it.

So along with launching the first broadside of the 2014 battle for Congress, Cruz has laid the groundwork to run for President of the United States. With that, he’s nicely positioned to be the anti-Washington candidate in the 2016 Republican Presidential sweepstakes. (Heck, since he’s such a perfect candidate, the election should just be canceled.)

Cruz should be smiling

“the election should just be canceled”

hahaha it was just a JOKE fercrissakes!

Damn, they must be smoking some really good shit.

156 Patricia Kayden  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:20:54pm

re: #91 freetoken

Wouldn’t talking about the “God problem” just lead nutters to more wingnuttery? They’d feel persecuted more than they claim to feel now.
What would that accomplish? And how would President Kenyan Socialist Muslim Obama speaking out on this problem be helpful?

157 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:21:25pm

re: #155 AlexRogan

“Senator Ted Cruz isn’t like most politicians.”

He’s like the Donald Trump of 2016.

158 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:22:11pm

re: #157 jaunte

He’s like the Donald Trump of 2016.

I can see Cruz in my rear view mirror. Buh-buh-bye.

159 b.d.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:22:42pm

re: #149 Kragar

Sorry Kragar

160 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:23:10pm

No matter the time or place, there is always that one guy…

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161 Patricia Kayden  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:25:16pm

re: #136 Gus

Lying comes so naturally for wingnuts, no? It’s as if they don’t think they can be fact checked.

162 piratedan  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:25:20pm

re: #155 AlexRogan

they only way Cruz would be ascending is if he’s climbed to the one end of the ship that hasn’t slipped beneath the waves…. enjoy your “ascendency” Senator.

163 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:25:47pm

re: #159 b.d.

Sorry Kragar

No biggie, just disappointed I wasted my time on them in the first place. I should have realized what they were when their info talked about “reimbursement.” On, the bright side, they did inspire me to get a new jacket and slacks, so I’ve got some good clothes when a real interview comes along.

164 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:27:15pm

re: #149 Kragar

So, that recruiter who called me back in for another interview?

Scam job, they wanted me to pay a $6k “retainer” for their services.

I would have told them this:
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165 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:28:24pm
166 b.d.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:28:44pm

re: #157 jaunte

He’s like the Donald Trump of 2016.

As expected, no politician has come out of this looking good.

Look at the 2016 players;

Biden and Clinton have been invisible, which is probably the smartest move.

Cruz - Proudly takes over Titanic
Paul - Trying to be the reasonable bagger on all the news shows but is displaying his impotence while doing it.
Christie - Trying to act above Washington style politics but gets drawn into it by talking about it.
Ryan - Buffoon

167 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:28:52pm

Jesus Christ, I just got a glimpse at the end of the video, but Rachel just showed protestors yelling at cops in DC (who are working w/o pay, BTW).

Goddamn them. Just goddamn those “protesters”. Fucking disrespectful assholes deserve to be shunned for what they are trying to do to my country, which I fucking want to be better than they are. I suspect the majority of them weren’t even veterans to begin with. I know the “speakers” they had preaching to them weren’t. Not Sarah Palin. Not Ted Cruz. Neither ever spent one day in the military but they can certainly use veterans for their own personal gain and agenda.

Cruz can go straight back to Texas, or Canada, or even Cuba, for all I care, and take his girl friend w/him, if he doesn’t like the way this country is run, and/or the man this country elected to be President of the United States.

168 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:29:05pm

re: #163 Kragar

No biggie, just disappointed I wasted my time on them in the first place. I should have realized what they were when their info talked about “reimbursement.” On, the bright side, they did inspire me to get a new jacket and slacks, so I’ve got some good clothes when a real interview comes along.

in software engineering, the recruiters are paid by the company they place you in

on the other hand, i avoid the third party recruiters when i can since it is less expensive for companies to hire you directly

but recruiters asking the job applicant for money???

my condolences for having to deal with scam artists, and wishing you good luck in your job search

169 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:29:32pm

re: #123 CuriousLurker

Someone should’ve done a Page on all the fake photos showing where they originated. VB would’ve had a lot of fun tweeting that to wingnuts.

It’s an old one but I’m not reading the T2SDA hastag anymore.

170 urbanmeemaw  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:31:40pm

re: #10 Justanotherhuman

This is why I think the mainstream media are more culpable than Fox in empowering the message of the right wing. Fox is a propaganda outlet and its viewers are true believers most of whom will not be swayed from their views. But the mainstream media, with their “both sides do it” BS and I suspect their desire to ride the Wingnut Welfare Gravy Train have enabled the mainstreaming of racism and hatred and made the claims of racists and seditionists seem “normal” and “reasonable” and worthy of consideration.

Here is an article from The New Yorker which compares how nut jobs were treated in 1963 vs today (h/t Flannel Shirt): newyorker.com

I would also recommend reading This Town to obtain a deeper understanding of this dynamic. Then drink heavily or ingest mass quantities of chocolate.

171 Decider  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:18:58pm

Tapper has been auditioning for a gig on Fox News for quite some time now.

172 chadu  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:23:29pm

re: #90 Gus

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HOLY CRAP!


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