Daily Caller: Confederate Flags Are Just Like Gay Pride Flags

They’re nuts, folks
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The Republican Party sent their best people out to the media today to downplay that Confederate flag at the White House yesterday, but the websites that keep the voting base whipped into an irrational frenzy had a different agenda. For example, the Daily Caller: Students Suspended for Confederate Flags to Protest Gay Flag.

At Tahoma High School in the nether suburbs of Seattle, it’s totally okay to display a gay-pride flag, but two juniors were suspended for three days for wearing Confederate flags at school.

An unnamed school district spokesman said that a sophomore had been exhibiting a gay-pride flag at Tahoma High for the last two weeks, reports local CBS affiliate KIRO. When the two juniors showed up on Tuesday in a common area wearing the Confederate flags as a political statement in response, they were suspended.

Right wing journalism at its finest.

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1 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:27:18pm

Gee, its almost like those kids thought the Confederate Flag stood for bigotry or something. Why else would they wear it as a counter protest to gay rights?

2 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:28:33pm

re: #1 Kragar

Yes, I think the Daily Caller needs to go deeper on that point. Why is “wearing the Confederate flags as a political statement” a “response?”

3 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:30:39pm

h/t Reality Based Steve

4 Gus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:31:44pm

Dey tuk er flags!

5 Gus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:32:33pm

When the two juniors showed up on Tuesday in a common area [no doubt acting like douche bags] wearing the Confederate flags as a political statement in response, they were suspended.

6 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:33:16pm

///And why does present day Germany’s government have such a hatred of a Buddhist good luck symbol?

7 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:33:17pm

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

Colonel Jefferson Beauregard Kitty.

8 bratwurst  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:33:27pm

Please proceed, right wing “journalists”.

9 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:33:54pm

I love the incoherence of the RWNJ response to the Confederate flag at the White House. They’re either going with

“It’s not a racist or bigoted symbol! Learn your history!”

or

“Confederate Flag Guy is a librul plant! False flag!”

Well, which is it? If it’s not racist or bigoted, why would it matter if the guy at the rally was a plant or not? And if it’s not bigoted, why would you try to minimize it or deflect the reaction the photos of the guy waving a Confederate flag in front of the WH is getting?

10 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:35:35pm

Well, I, for one, am offended by rainbow flags.

I remember the brutal military campaign we had to wage against the West Coast bathhouses and discos back in the 1980s. Brave men died holding back the gay hordes.

11 b.d.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:35:41pm

re: #2 jaunte

Yes, I think the Daily Caller needs to go deeper on that point. Why is “wearing the Confederate flags as a political statement” a “response?”

Great point.

12 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:36:23pm

DERP

13 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:37:07pm
14 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:38:05pm
15 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:38:48pm

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

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Surely he meant Dexter…

16 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:39:13pm

re: #14 Vicious Babushka

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Forcing people to accept gay marriage is totally slavery.

Except not at all.

17 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:40:03pm

I salute our veterans who held Glory Hole # 51 for seven days without relief during the Battle for Stonewall.

18 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:41:40pm

One flag stands for tolerance. The other does not.

19 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:42:11pm

wearing the Confederate flags as a political statement

oh and what would that political statement be exactly?

20 b.d.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:42:19pm

The only common thing the rebel and rainbow flag have in common is Ashley Wilkes?

21 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:47:11pm

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

Here’s a redesigned, progressive Confederate flag

Furry And Way Too Cute Things Of The World, Unite!

22 missliberties  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:47:50pm

re: #17 The Ghost of a Flea

I salute our veterans who held Glory Hole # 51 for seven days without relief during the Battle for Stonewall.

That’s funny!

23 SpaceJesus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:49:33pm

re: #14 Vicious Babushka

just wait

24 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:50:18pm

re: #19 dog philosopher

wearing the Confederate flags as a political statement

oh and what would that political statement be exactly?

State’s rights. And not just about slavery!

Also poll taxes, blood quantums, literacy tests for voters, and segregated facilities.

Seriously, history buffs…when did the South invoke state’s rights that it didn’t involve laws that discriminate against black people? Prohibiition? Federal income tax?

25 SpaceJesus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:51:02pm

re: #17 The Ghost of a Flea

Isn’t that where the famous gay general “Stonewall” Jackson earned his nickname?

26 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:53:33pm

This whole thing about the confederate flag being used by people outside the south is totally mystifying. So, I take it to mean that they’re just immersed in some perverted kind of throwback racism and master/slave ideological position, no doubt from white supremacist thinking in their particular area of the US—skinheads, neo-Nazis, white power militias, christian identity groupies, those types. Haters love other haters and reactionaries sometimes make strange alliances among themselves. For instance, in the south, “Damn Yankees” usually doesn’t refer to a musical.

I see that flag from time to time on old pickup trucks and a certain house (a very nice house, BTW) flies one not too far from where I live, but otherwise, here in this part of NC, it’s not often seen in day to day activities, even though there is a Klan big hoo-ha of some type living in this county. Nobody pays him any attention, though; he’s old and ineffective.

So, actually, I’ve seen more of it on TV and the internet in other areas than I have in person living in the south.

27 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:54:58pm

i want to go home, not sit here dicking around with vendors in far distant parts of the globe where working hours are still in progress emailing me successive fixes to try out that don’t work

28 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:55:16pm

I’m going through various XKCD things, and found a few interesting things.

Dioxygen Diflouride

And a hard core it is! This stuff was first prepared in Germany in 1932 by Ruff and Menzel, who must have been likely lads indeed, because it’s not like people didn’t respect fluorine back then. No, elemental fluorine has commanded respect since well before anyone managed to isolate it, a process that took a good fifty years to work out in the 1800s. (The list of people who were blown up or poisoned while trying to do so is impressive). And that’s at room temperature. At seven hundred freaking degrees, fluorine starts to dissociate into monoatomic radicals, thereby losing its gentle and forgiving nature. But that’s how you get it to react with oxygen to make a product that’s worse in pretty much every way.

FOOF is only stable at low temperatures; you’ll never get close to RT with the stuff without it tearing itself to pieces. I’ve seen one reference to storing it as a solid at 90 Kelvin for later use, but that paper, a 1962 effort from A. G. Streng of Temple University, is deeply alarming in several ways. Not only did Streng prepare multiple batches of dioxygen difluoride and keep it around, he was apparently charged with finding out what it did to things. All sorts of things. One damn thing after another, actually:

“Being a high energy oxidizer, dioxygen difluoride reacted vigorously with organic compounds, even at temperatures close to its melting point. It reacted instantaneously with solid ethyl alcohol, producing a blue flame and an explosion. When a drop of liquid 02F2 was added to liquid methane, cooled at 90°K., a white flame was produced instantaneously, which turned green upon further burning. When 0.2 (mL) of liquid 02F2 was added to 0.5 (mL) of liquid CH4 at 90°K., a violent explosion occurred.”

And he’s just getting warmed up, if that’s the right phrase to use for something that detonates things at -180C (that’s -300 Fahrenheit, if you only have a kitchen thermometer). The great majority of Streng’s reactions have surely never been run again. The paper goes on to react FOOF with everything else you wouldn’t react it with: ammonia (“vigorous”, this at 100K), water ice (explosion, natch), chlorine (“violent explosion”, so he added it more slowly the second time), red phosphorus (not good), bromine fluoride, chlorine trifluoride (say what?), perchloryl fluoride (!), tetrafluorohydrazine (how on Earth…), and on, and on. If the paper weren’t laid out in complete grammatical sentences and published in JACS, you’d swear it was the work of a violent lunatic. I ran out of vulgar expletives after the second page. A. G. Streng, folks, absolutely takes the corrosive exploding cake, and I have to tip my asbestos-lined titanium hat to him.

It concluded with this:

Sulfur compounds defeated him, because the thermodynamics were just too titanic. Hydrogen sulfide, for example, reacts with four molecules of FOOF to give sulfur hexafluoride, 2 molecules of HF and four oxygens…and 433 kcal, which is the kind of every-man-for-himself exotherm that you want to avoid at all cost. The sulfur chemistry of FOOF remains unexplored, so if you feel like whipping up a batch of Satan’s kimchi, go right ahead.

Can someone explain what the 433 kcal of energy means in this reaction?

29 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:57:04pm

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

This whole thing about the confederate flag being used by

they display it to prove that they’re too macho to let their wives tell them to eat vegatables i’m very macho and masculine see?

30 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 6:59:43pm

re: #28 ProTARDISLiberal

Can someone explain what the 433 kcal of energy means in this reaction?

It’s the energy released by the reaction. That’s about 1.8 million joules.

31 RadicalModerate  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:00:50pm

Can someone tell me if there isn’t a line that the Republican party isn’t willing to cross now? We know that violence against women and LGBT, racially-motivated terrorism, and rhetoric supporting political assassination is A-OK in their book, so what actually goes too far for them now?

32 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:01:10pm

re: #30 The Mountain That Blogs

I am assuming that is one hell of a reaction.

What I am asking, is how much of a hell it is? I need scale.

33 Belafon  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:02:33pm

re: #31 RadicalModerate

They will never admit they are wrong.

34 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:02:52pm

re: #32 ProTARDISLiberal

That’s about the energy in one pound of TNT.

35 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:03:31pm

re: #31 RadicalModerate

Can someone tell me if there isn’t a line that the Republican party isn’t willing to cross now? We know that violence against women and LGBT, racially-motivated terrorism, and rhetoric supporting political assassination is A-OK in their book, so what actually goes too far for them now?

we’ll know when they have arrived at the transgressive act that finishes the work of subverting the constitution and removing barack obama from the white house

until that happens they will continue to escalate

36 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:04:48pm

re: #34 The Mountain That Blogs

So, 4 molecules of FOOF reacts with Hydrogen Sulfide so violently, that it pulls that horse-crap.

Sane people would get the hell away from that.

Me? I want to mix a litre of both together and see what happens.

37 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:06:06pm

re: #36 ProTARDISLiberal

So, 4 molecules of FOOF reacts with Hydrogen Sulfide so violently, that it pulls that horse-crap.

Sane people would get the hell away from that.

Me? I want to mix a litre of both together and see what happens.

how does it taste if you mix it with a little tonic water?

38 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:06:56pm

Bryan Cranston got a nice note from Anthony Hopkins:

Your performance as Walter White was the best acting I have seen - ever.

39 Belafon  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:07:02pm

re: #32 ProTARDISLiberal

A stick of dynamite is about 1 megajoule in size.

40 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:07:22pm

re: #36 ProTARDISLiberal

So, 4 molecules of FOOF reacts with Hydrogen Sulfide so violently, that it pulls that horse-crap.

Sane people would get the hell away from that.

Me? I want to mix a litre of both together and see what happens.

No, no, you don’t.

This is in the category of “shit that doesn’t exist in nature for a very fucking good reason”.

41 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:07:39pm

Email received earlier from Tea Party Express is full of so much projection that IMAX would have a hard time containing it on screen:

President Obama Needs to Stop Being Petty and Start Acting Like a Leader

President Obama is more concerned with pulling political stunts and inflicting as much public pain on the American people than leading the country through this difficult time. Instead of negotiating and trying to find a solution to the government shutdown, he has refused to negotiate and has instructed his department heads to make the shutdown as painful as possible for Americans.

That’s how it starts off.

Where does this email go wrong. Let me count the ways.

The President isn’t being petty when demanding that Congress do its job and pass appropriations and deal with the debt ceiling. It’s in their job description. Right there in the Constitution in fact. Article 1, Section 8 in fact (for starters).

Political stunts? So far, the GOP has been more concerned with photo ops out on the Mall, or complaining about closed national parks than actually helping all the people who the GOP furloughed.

They were more concerned that the Congressional gym remained open than food inspections or NOAA or NASA. Petty? That’s a classic definition of not being able to think or sympathize with anyone outside the core group of TP extortionists.

Refused to negotiate? Well, we’ll give the TP on that one. The President isn’t going to dismantle a program he enacted because the TP extortionists are holding it and the nation ransom in exchange for passing a budget.

But here’s the thing.

The GOP knew they never could get the President to delay, destroy, or defund Obamacare, but they inserted poison pill provisions into all their negotiations and bills anyways. They wanted to try extortion when repeal votes and litigation couldn’t destroy Obamacare.

In fact, it’s the Speaker wjho decided to blow up a proposed budget deal in July. Speaker Boehner admitted that the GOP decided to cast its lot with the very same TP that is now claiming all that follows is the President’s fault. That’s right. We could have had a budget deal in July but instead we’ve got a shutdown and the GOP will be getting no defund/delay/destroy in exchange for harming taxpayers across the nation all because the GOP decided to throw a collective hissy fit.

The Tea Party engages in DARVO to such an extent that they can’t even get one paragraph into their mailer without being seen as complete hypocrites and exposed for the bunch of lying sad sacks that they are.

42 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:07:45pm

re: #28 ProTARDISLiberal

It concluded with this:

Can someone explain what the 433 kcal of energy means in this reaction?

Per mole, that’s incredibly exothermic. As in, BIG explosion.

Nitroglycerin reaction is exothermic to the order of 1.5 MJ per mole. FOOF is 1.8MJ per mole.

43 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:10:27pm

re: #40 klys

Still want to see it.

I realize I am slightly nuts.

44 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:11:03pm

re: #41 lawhawk

“And tricksy Obama changed the House rules so only Cantor can bring Senate legislation to the floor for a vote.”

45 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:11:42pm

re: #36 ProTARDISLiberal

Me? I want to mix a litre of both together and see what happens.

General rule of thumb: if you’d be embarrassed to explain to the paramedics what happened, don’t do it.

46 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:12:34pm

re: #43 ProTARDISLiberal

Still want to see it.

I realize I am slightly nuts.

Reasonable desired chemistry pranks: dropping potassium or sodium into a lake, provided you have sufficient acid on hand to neutralize the resulting reaction (post fire/explosion).

Bad chemistry experiments: ones with the potential to kill you.

Trust people with the experience to know that this is a BAD FUCKING IDEA.

47 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:13:25pm

All class. This guy really is one of the most despicable people on the internet.

48 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:13:41pm

re: #38 jaunte

Bryan Cranston got a nice note from Anthony Hopkins:

High praise indeed.

49 SnowdenBaggerVance  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:13:57pm

Poor oppressed southerners. They’re so much more oppressed than gays.

And black people are racist against them.

What’s a bigot to do?

50 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:14:09pm

re: #43 ProTARDISLiberal

Still want to see it.

I realize I am slightly nuts.

Also, to get over this, watch a few episodes of Mythbusters and enjoy the explosions.

And then realize that liquid oxygen is something they won’t play with because it’s too fucking dangerous, and expand that to include this shit.

51 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:14:55pm

re: #45 The Mountain That Blogs

But it’s Science!

re: #46 klys

True. There is a reason I watch Mythbusters though.

52 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:15:40pm

Stay classy bro

53 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:15:44pm

re: #51 ProTARDISLiberal

But it’s Science!

True. There is a reason I watch Mythbusters though.

There is a difference between science and a death wish.

This is definitely in the latter category. And I say that as someone who has worked within the bounds of the former.

54 Mattand  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:15:45pm

re: #47 The Mountain That Blogs

All class. This guy really is one of the most despicable people on the internet planet.

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Seemed appropriate.

55 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:17:27pm

re: #52 Vicious Babushka

Stay classy bro

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Next year’s gonna be SO much fun.

56 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:18:32pm

re: #43 ProTARDISLiberal

Still want to see it.

I realize I am slightly nuts.

Explosions are not appreciably different from one another. Your senses probably aren’t good enough to discern the slightly greater strength of the soft-tissue destroying shock wave that makes the excited bang, or the exciting new toxic chemical cloud they’re dispersing.

I’m not a great chemist, but the reaction products from FOOF aren’t very pleasant looking either, from a being-a-carbon-based-lifeform perspective. Fluorine is a nasty oxidizer by itself; I can’t really imagine anything pleasant happening messing with a chemical that involves an -OF group.

57 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:19:26pm

re: #56 The Ghost of a Flea

Explosions are not appreciably different from one another. Your senses probably aren’t good enough to discern the slightly greater strength of the soft-tissue destroying shock wave that makes the excited bang, or the exciting new toxic chemical cloud they’re dispersing.

I’m not a great chemist, but the reaction products from FOOF aren’t very pleasant looking either, from a being-a-carbon-based-lifeform perspective. Fluorine is a nasty oxidizer by itself; it can’t really imagine anything pleasant happened messing with a chemical that involves an -OF group.

As a chemist, I will help you.

They are called dead, dead, dead, dead, and dead.

/only half

58 aagcobb  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:19:54pm

re: #52 Vicious Babushka

Stay classy bro

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Sweet, sweet wingnut tears of impotent rage.

59 SnowdenBaggerVance  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:20:33pm

You’re only supposed to be anti-establishment when the establishment is wrong. What’s weird is the ‘establishment’ is in a clash, the existing anti-gay establishment fighting to maintain and the new establishment fighting to maintain the very slow but positive inertia to an equal society.

But hell, let’s not stop the last vestiges of the old establishment from playing the victims. It’s a facile charade, part pathetic and part comedy.

60 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:21:57pm

re: #59 SnowdenBaggerVance

Think of all that “freedom to refuse service” on the line. //

61 SnowdenBaggerVance  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:22:24pm

Erickson and Douchecannon should be BFF’s. They’re like the Toxic Twins of right wing idiocy: all the hate and twice the idiocy.

62 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:22:59pm

re: #57 klys

The person on there mention other compounds that the chemist in the story mixed with FOOF.

Perchloryl Fluoride

Tetrafluorohydrazine

I am assuming these are unpleasant in their own right?

I know Chlorine Trifluoride is so reactive an oxidizer that it can set things like bricks and asbestos on fire.

63 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:23:27pm

re: #56 The Ghost of a Flea

Anyway, octontirocubane is the cool explosive these days.

…you probably haven’t heard of it.

Yes, that an hipster explosive joke.

64 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:24:15pm

re: #62 ProTARDISLiberal

The person on there mention other compounds that the chemist in the story mixed with FOOF.

Perchloryl Fluoride

Tetrafluorohydrazine

I am assuming these are unpleasant in their own right?

I know Chlorine Trifluoride is so reactive an oxidizer that it can set things like bricks and asbestos on fire.

This is not a good reason to play with shit like that.

65 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:24:54pm

re: #28 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m going through various XKCD things, and found a few interesting things.

Dioxygen Diflouride

And he’s just getting warmed up, if that’s the right phrase to use for something that detonates things at -180C (that’s -300 Fahrenheit, if you only have a kitchen thermometer). The great majority of Streng’s reactions have surely never been run again. The paper goes on to react FOOF with everything else you wouldn’t react it with: ammonia (“vigorous”, this at 100K), water ice (explosion, natch), chlorine (“violent explosion”, so he added it more slowly the second time), red phosphorus (not good), bromine fluoride, chlorine trifluoride (say what?), perchloryl fluoride (!), tetrafluorohydrazine (how on Earth…), and on, and on. If the paper weren’t laid out in complete grammatical sentences and published in JACS, you’d swear it was the work of a violent lunatic. I ran out of vulgar expletives after the second page. A. G. Streng, folks, absolutely takes the corrosive exploding cake, and I have to tip my asbestos-lined titanium hat to him.

It concluded with this:

Can someone explain what the 433 kcal of energy means in this reaction?

Sounds like a set of experiments custom designed to get rid of those pesky extra grad assistants you have hanging around. “Oh Hans, could you mix 3 ml of this into that beaker over there? I’ll be right back, left something in the car”

RBS
Who can’t believe people are so tickled with his Rainbow Conf Flag w/ Hello Kitties

66 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:24:56pm

Speaking of Erick, Son of Erick, his latest little snit over at RedState is a sight to behold. If anything, it might be a good way of understanding why wingnuts and TPers (but I repeat myself) have such a hard-on for the shutdown. In their minds, the parts of the government labeled as “non-essential,” like the EPA, do more damage to the government than deficits or the debt. So cutting the funding for such, ultimately to abolish them, will bring billions back into the economy through more jobs, better wages, and more “liberty.”

But his entire rant against the “surrender” being written up by McConnell is that foresees the future where 30 million Americans are forced to get health insurance and figures that by the time 2017 rolls around and Republicans might hold the government again, it’ll be too late to let those people go without insurance.

Can’t you see the noble fight he’s engaged in!////

67 SnowdenBaggerVance  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:25:49pm

re: #60 jaunte

Think of all that “freedom to refuse service” on the line. //

Hey, wait till they have to use different bathrooms and water fountains. Not to mention be encouraged to be cured of their impure ways, or not be allowed to marry their cousins.

(I did NOT make a ‘marrying cousin’ joke. Didn’t do it. Not going to do it.)

68 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:26:53pm

I ate way too much.

69 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:27:58pm

re: #65 RealityBasedSteve

It concluded with this:

Can someone explain what the 433 kcal of energy means in this reaction?

Sounds like a set of experiments custom designed to get rid of those pesky extra grad assistants you have hanging around. “Oh Hans, could you mix 3 ml of this into that beaker over there? I’ll be right back, left something in the car”

RBS
Who can’t believe people are so tickled with his Rainbow Conf Flag w/ Hello Kitties

IT IS TEH AWESOME!!! U ROCK BRO.

70 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:28:10pm

re: #64 klys

Well, one A. G. Streng of Temple University decided to mix FOOF with these compounds and others in the early 60’s.

I would love to see how the research proposal for that looked.

“I will mix the compound I know only theoretically with a crapton of others to find out what it does. Some of these other compounds are violent in their own right. Please give me money.”

71 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:28:12pm

re: #68 b_sharp

I ate way too much.

Winning dish?

72 Bear  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:29:14pm

re: #68 b_sharp

Best run around the block several times. Then perhaps you will be able to have another piece of pie.

73 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:29:33pm

re: #71 Stanley Sea

Winning dish?

Pumpkin pie.

Although the stuffing was a huge hit with everybody else.

74 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:30:06pm

re: #70 ProTARDISLiberal

Well, one A. G. Streng of Temple University decided to mix FOOF with these compounds and others in the early 60’s.

I would love to see how the research proposal for that looked.

“I will mix the compound I know only theoretically with a crapton of others to find out what it does. Some of these other compounds are violent in their own right. Please give me money.”

In general proposals about that are looking for general trends and/or (and probably likely in this set of applications) applications to things like explosives.

Which this one is. Just too much so.

75 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:31:18pm

re: #72 Bear

Best run around the block several times. Then perhaps you will be able to have another piece of pie.

I have to wait until my stomach settles. I just had a chunk of lemon meringue.

76 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:31:26pm

Heya Flo!!!

77 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:33:39pm

Hey Canadian Ted! It ain’t working anymore, you creep.

Ted Cruz: Unsure if he’d block vote on Senate deal

Read more: politico.com

TC can kiss the 2016 nomination goodbye. It will never happen.

78 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:34:49pm

re: #76 Stanley Sea

Back atcha!

79 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:35:23pm

I just had the best quick desert ever. Took some Multi-Berry Newtons, (about 4 or 5) and diced them up, Put about half in a bowl, couple of scoops of Raspberry sherbert over that, some double-chocolate syrup, and topped it with the rest of the diced Newtons. Best part, it’s 100% good for you, because the Newtons are whole grain (yea, I know )

RBS

80 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:36:30pm

re: #68 b_sharp

I ate way too much.

All this rightwing fuckery is making me very, very tense. And I’m eating too much, too. Can’t afford any weight gain or my sugar will go up again.

If it already hasn’t.

81 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:39:31pm

It’s not that I don’t appreciate help emptying the dishwasher, but put shit back where it is supposed to go so I’m not looking for it when I cook dinner.

/spouserant

82 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:40:47pm

re: #70 ProTARDISLiberal

Well, one A. G. Streng of Temple University decided to mix FOOF with these compounds and others in the early 60’s.

I would love to see how the research proposal for that looked.

“I will mix the compound I know only theoretically with a crapton of others to find out what it does. Some of these other compounds are violent in their own right. Please give me money.”

Here’s another page at that blog worth the read, about chlorine trifluoride: “Sand Won’t Save You This Time”

The compound also a stronger oxidizing agent than oxygen itself, which also puts it into rare territory. That means that it can potentially go on to “burn” things that you would normally consider already burnt to hell and gone, and a practical consequence of that is that it’ll start roaring reactions with things like bricks and asbestos tile. It’s been used in the semiconductor industry to clean oxides off of surfaces, at which activity it no doubt excels.

There’s a report from the early 1950s (in this PDF) of a one-ton spill of the stuff. It burned its way through a foot of concrete floor and chewed up another meter of sand and gravel beneath, completing a day that I’m sure no one involved ever forgot. That process, I should add, would necessarily have been accompanied by copious amounts of horribly toxic and corrosive by-products: it’s bad enough when your reagent ignites wet sand, but the clouds of hot hydrofluoric acid are your special door prize if you’re foolhardy enough to hang around and watch the fireworks.

Nasty stuff…

83 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:42:14pm

re: #67 SnowdenBaggerVance

Hey, wait till they have to use different bathrooms and water fountains. Not to mention be encouraged to be cured of their impure ways, or not be allowed to marry their cousins.

(I did NOT make a ‘marrying cousin’ joke. Didn’t do it. Not going to do it.)

Just for grins I looked up the law on cousin marriage. Here’s the big picture…
Twenty-five states prohibit marriages between first cousins. Six states allow first cousin marriage under certain circumstances, and North Carolina allows first cousin marriage but prohibits double-cousin marriage. States generally recognize marriages of first cousins married in a state where such marriages are legal.

The ones that have restricted marriage is generally a case where both are senior citizens or unable to reproduce.

I think one thing that’s interesting is that generally states recognize the marriage of first cousins even where it’s not permitted in their state, if it was legal where performed. Seems like this would be an effective, fact-based argument that could be brought to bare against the “What’s next, cousins marrying?” crowd.

RBS

84 aagcobb  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:43:11pm

re: #77 Justanotherhuman

Hey Canadian Ted! It ain’t working anymore, you creep.

Ted Cruz: Unsure if he’d block vote on Senate deal

Read more: politico.com

TC can kiss the 2016 nomination goodbye. It will never happen.

I presume the powers that be will line up behind Christie like they did Romney last year, enabling him to defeat the pack of howler monkeys seeking the nomination.

85 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:45:05pm

re: #82 AlexRogan

Here’s another page at that blog worth the read, about chlorine trifluoride: “Sand Won’t Save You This Time”

Nasty stuff…

and I thought my cats litter box was bad if I went out of town for a long weekend.

RBS

86 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:46:41pm

re: #85 RealityBasedSteve

and I thought my cats litter box was bad if I went out of town for a long weekend.

RBS

Dude, I’m pretty sure some of my cats should be classified as chemical weapons.

87 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:50:13pm

re: #82 AlexRogan

Here’s another page at that blog worth the read, about chlorine trifluoride: “Sand Won’t Save You This Time”

Nasty stuff…

HF is what they use to etch glass, which is normally inert to things like acids.

My husband referred to it as the “shit that if you drop it eats a hole to the center of the earth” which isn’t quite accurate but does reflect the fact that the spill procedures for this are fucking scary, as opposed to 99.9% of the other chemicals I dealt with in lab.

88 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:51:14pm

re: #82 AlexRogan

I found that one by finding the one of FOOF on the XKCD Blog

89 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:53:18pm

re: #87 klys

I noticed this in the article on chlorine trifluoride.

I’ll let the late John Clark describe the stuff, since he had first-hand experience in attempts to use it as rocket fuel. From his out-of-print classic Ignition! we have:

“It is, of course, extremely toxic, but that’s the least of the problem. It is hypergolic with every known fuel, and so rapidly hypergolic that no ignition delay has ever been measured. It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water-with which it reacts explosively. It can be kept in some of the ordinary structural metals-steel, copper, aluminium, etc.-because of the formation of a thin film of insoluble metal fluoride which protects the bulk of the metal, just as the invisible coat of oxide on aluminium keeps it from burning up in the atmosphere. If, however, this coat is melted or scrubbed off, and has no chance to reform, the operator is confronted with the problem of coping with a metal-fluorine fire. For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes.”

Sound advice, indeed. I’ll be lacing mine up if anyone tries to bring the stuff into my lab.

So, a metal-fluorine fire…I assume the only thing you can do is wait for the metal and fluorine to run each other out?

90 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:55:14pm

re: #89 ProTARDISLiberal

I noticed this in the article on chlorine trifluoride.

Sound advice, indeed. I’ll be lacing mine up if anyone tries to bring the stuff into my lab.

So, a metal-flourine fire…I assume the only thing you can do is what for the metal and flourine to run each other out?

Pretty much, preferably from a far distance.

I mean, these compounds are so energetic that they don’t exist in nature for a reason. This means something. Yes, we can make them, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.

91 AlexRogan  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:57:10pm

re: #89 ProTARDISLiberal

I noticed this in the article on chlorine trifluoride.

Sound advice, indeed. I’ll be lacing mine up if anyone tries to bring the stuff into my lab.

So, a metal-flourine fire…I assume the only thing you can do is what for the metal and flourine to run each other out?

I chuckled at this part:

“It is, of course, extremely toxic, but that’s the least of the problem. It is hypergolic with every known fuel, and so rapidly hypergolic that no ignition delay has ever been measured. It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water-with which it reacts explosively. It can be kept in some of the ordinary structural metals-steel, copper, aluminium, etc.-because of the formation of a thin film of insoluble metal fluoride which protects the bulk of the metal, just as the invisible coat of oxide on aluminium keeps it from burning up in the atmosphere. If, however, this coat is melted or scrubbed off, and has no chance to reform, the operator is confronted with the problem of coping with a metal-fluorine fire. For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes.”

92 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 7:58:18pm

re: #77 Justanotherhuman

Hey Canadian Ted! It ain’t working anymore, you creep.

Ted Cruz: Unsure if he’d block vote on Senate deal

Read more: politico.com

TC can kiss the 2016 nomination goodbye. It will never happen.

I won’t be surprised if, come tomorrow, one or more wingnut dickheads in the Senate GOP ranks objects to unanimous consent. Besides Cruz, Huckleberry Closetcase (Lindsey Graham for those who don’t read Charlie Pierce) has said he’ll object to any bill that doesn’t already have support of the majority of House Republicans.

93 Stephen T.  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:00:08pm

re: #46 klys

Reasonable desired chemistry pranks: dropping potassium or sodium into a lake

You mean, like this:
Youtube Video

94 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:02:02pm

re: #91 AlexRogan

When the usually fireproof asbestos catches fire, there might be an issue.

Test engineers means injuries though. :(

95 klys  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:02:16pm

re: #93 Stephen T.

You mean, like this:
[Embedded content]

Pretty much.

If your pranks can get ahold of 3500 pounds of metallic sodium, I am all for it. Provided you are doing so in a safe manner.

96 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:04:12pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

McConnell and Reid should threaten anyone who objects to unanimous consent with having to listen to an endless loop of Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus songs.

All this shit needs to end. Objecting to unanimous consent triggers something like 30 hours of debate. Enough already.

97 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:08:09pm

re: #96 Lidane

McConnell and Reid should threaten anyone who objects to unanimous consent with having to listen to an endless loop of Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus songs.

All this shit needs to end. Objecting to unanimous consent triggers something like 30 hours of debate. Enough already.

30 hours of debate, during which time we can be sure that the fuckwits will stand up declare how wrong it is to be agreeing not to implode the US economy, because they’re not getting anything out of agreeing to do so and that’s just wrong. In short, an opportunity to polish their TP credentials before ‘16.

98 PeterWolf  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:13:51pm

One flag represents tolerance, equality and love. The other represents secession, slavery and a horrid civil war. Not hard to see which one is contentious. Those damn gays.

99 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:19:22pm
100 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:33:19pm
101 chadu  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:35:16pm

re: #28 ProTARDISLiberal

Can someone explain what the 433 kcal of energy means in this reaction?

It means FIRE.

102 chadu  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:36:42pm

re: #37 dog philosopher

how does it taste if you mix it with a little tonic water?

Like a Caipirinha.

103 bratwurst  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:38:01pm
104 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:38:59pm
105 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:40:59pm

re: #104 Lidane

[Embedded content]

He looks so guilty.

106 chadu  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:41:15pm

re: #46 klys

Reasonable desired chemistry pranks: dropping potassium or sodium into a lake, provided you have sufficient acid on hand to neutralize the resulting reaction (post fire/explosion).

Yeah, dropped a half-fist-sized chunk of sodium on a frozen lake in my misspent youth, no acid on hand.

I’m pretty sure the statute of limitations has run out on that.

And I’m pretty sure I’m lucky I survived.

107 chadu  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:42:41pm

re: #47 The Mountain That Blogs

All class. This guy really is one of the most despicable people on the internet.

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Is Nutpunch over IP (NPoIP) available yet?

108 chadu  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:44:45pm

re: #56 The Ghost of a Flea

Explosions are not appreciably different from one another. Your senses probably aren’t good enough to discern the slightly greater strength of the soft-tissue destroying shock wave that makes the excited bang, or the exciting new toxic chemical cloud they’re dispersing.

I’m not a great chemist, but the reaction products from FOOF aren’t very pleasant looking either, from a being-a-carbon-based-lifeform perspective. Fluorine is a nasty oxidizer by itself; I can’t really imagine anything pleasant happening messing with a chemical that involves an -OF group.

Hydrofluoric acid is a bitch. Worked with it once — once! — in college. Never again.

109 chadu  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:45:59pm

re: #62 ProTARDISLiberal

The person on there mention other compounds that the chemist in the story mixed with FOOF.

Perchloryl Fluoride

Tetrafluorohydrazine

I am assuming these are unpleasant in their own right?

I know Chlorine Trifluoride is so reactive an oxidizer that it can set things like bricks and asbestos on fire.

This is a crazy person, and you should stay away.

110 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:47:39pm
111 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:48:02pm

re: #109 chadu

They did these “experiments” in the early 60’s.

112 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:48:28pm
113 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 8:50:41pm

To my total lack of surprise, I now hear after days of wingnut snickering over the Healthcare.Gov website that it was built by (you guessed it) the lowest bidder. Better yet, the lowest bidder was a Canadian company whose recent history includes being fired by the Canadian government after failing to turn in a functioning, competent medical registry system to Ontario.

So much for “the private market can do it better, faster, and cheaper!”

114 chadu  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:04:00pm

re: #108 chadu

Hydrofluoric acid is a bitch. Worked with it once — once! — in college. Never again.

True story: My AP Chem score was good enough to place me out of the lecture, but I stupidly forgot to submit my AP Chem lab notes to PSU, so I had to take the Chem 101 lab my freshman year.

So, we’re doing a titration experiment on something really basic, and the TA comes around and gives each lab pair 1 cc of hydrofluoric acid.

I asked the dude, WTF? Shouldn’t we be under a hood for this?

He was like, I know. I don’t understand any of this.

Anyway, upshot: if I knew then what I knew two years later, I could have built a FANTASTIC bong out of Chem 101 glassware.

;)

115 chadu  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:04:47pm

re: #111 ProTARDISLiberal

They did these “experiments” in the early 60’s.

Still crazy.

116 jaunte  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:06:50pm

Texas, still #1 in stupid rightwingers:
Dewhurst Calls for Obama’s Impeachment

“He feels very strongly about the tragedy in Benghazi and has said that Congress should consider impeaching the President over the tragedy,” he said. “David Dewhurst also believes that President Obama should be held accountable for Washington’s failure to secure the border and the gross overreach of the federal government under Obamacare.”

117 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:07:14pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

To my total lack of surprise, I now hear after days of wingnut snickering over the Healthcare.Gov website that it was built by (you guessed it) the lowest bidder. Better yet, the lowest bidder was a Canadian company whose recent history includes being fired by the Canadian government after failing to turn in a functioning, competent medical registry system to Ontario.

The e-health debacle?! Good grief. I guess being a large private contractor means never having to say you’re sorry face consequences for your incompetence 9_9

118 sagehen  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:15:02pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

To my total lack of surprise, I now hear after days of wingnut snickering over the Healthcare.Gov website that it was built by (you guessed it) the lowest bidder. Better yet, the lowest bidder was a Canadian company whose recent history includes being fired by the Canadian government after failing to turn in a functioning, competent medical registry system to Ontario.

So much for “the private market can do it better, faster, and cheaper!”

Can we at least refuse to pay them?

119 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:19:53pm
120 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:22:06pm

re: #45 The Mountain That Blogs

General rule of thumb: if you’d be embarrassed to explain to the paramedics what happened, don’t do it.

I suspect it’ll be men with spatulas scraping you off the wall, not paramedics picking you up off the floor, in this situation.

121 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:25:35pm

re: #120 Mentis Fugit

I suspect it’ll be men with spatulas scraping you off the wall, not paramedics picking you up off the floor, in this situation.

Make sure your purchase has a flared base…

122 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:25:57pm

re: #119 Kragar

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New GOP Slogan: “We warned you that that uppity ni-CLANG would cause problems!”

123 Mattand  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:26:10pm

I see the Village Idiots have gotten their fee-fees hurt over the White House accurately describing the Repubcian meltdown:

White House Press Corps Reaches for Peak Derp

Even the supposedly so-liberal-they-hate-America NPR is getting in on the false balance act. Unreal.

124 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:30:02pm

Speaking of cute, this is my daughter’s new critter Edgar.
Edgar the pound cat

He is named for her maternal grandfather. Since you can’t name a boy Edgar anymore (distinguished though it is) this is the only namesake my FIL can have.
He joins a part collie pound pup called Bailey (now 7 years old) and my late wife’s ancient black cat Roo. The latter is 22 years old now and doing fine. Cats tend to live a fair amount longer than dogs, but 22 is getting up there. He is doing fine and stays out of trouble by sleeping about 16 hours a day.
Btw, this is my second daughter, Deedee, who has posted here a few times, most notably to report my sudden departure to the emergency room after I had somehow cut my leg wide open with a box cutter.

125 darthstar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:32:34pm
126 darthstar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:35:01pm
127 darthstar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:44:07pm
128 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:46:29pm

I wish the creative minds in Hollywood would make their thousands of staged shootings a little more realistic by finding some way to communicate just how godawful agonizingly painful a bullet wound really is.
The bullet jabs a deep, ragged hole into your body almost instantly. It is much more than a simple puncture, bad as that is to start with. Besides the tissue damage and the consequently outraged nerve endings, the shock causes an enormous yellow-blue-black bruise that spreads from the wound up to halfway across your body. Even that is not all, the bullet is very hot and you can feel that heat. I described it as a red hot poker jammed through my leg with some sadist twisting it, except the bruising wouldn’t be as bad with that. With that combination of damage, it takes quite a while to heal. It keeps hurting until it does, a continuous alternating sharp and dull throb for weeks on end, and sometimes intermittently for decades afterward.
I’m thinking about this tonight because we have a big weather change coming and my leg is hurting. It’s not too bad anymore, but I could do without it.

129 darthstar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:51:33pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel

I wish the creative minds in Hollywood would make their thousands of staged shootings a little more realistic by finding some way to communicate just how godawful agonizingly painful a bullet wound really is.
The bullet jabs a deep, ragged hole into your body almost instantly. It is much more than a simple puncture, bad as that is to start with. Besides the tissue damage and the consequently outraged nerve endings, the shock causes an enormous yellow-blue-black bruise that spreads from the wound up to halfway across your body. Even that is not all, the bullet is very hot and you can feel that heat. I described it as a red hot poker jammed through my leg with some sadist twisting it, except the bruising wouldn’t be as bad with that. With that combination of damage, it takes quite a while to heal. It keeps hurting until it does, a continuous alternating sharp and dull throb for weeks on end, and sometimes intermittently for decades afterward.
I’m thinking about this tonight because we have a big weather change and my leg is hurting. It’s not too bad anymore, but I could do without it.

Thank you for experiencing the pain so I don’t have to.

130 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:56:42pm

I started playing Skyrim and somehow wound up in the middle of an H.P. Lovecraft novel. Weird.

131 Balfour Rage  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:58:45pm

What right-wing racism? A comment from Dim’s site about the Washington Redskins name controversy:

Whodat? Truck Monkey • 14 hours ago −
Speaking of percentages, most of D.C. is black, and 75% of NFL players are black, change the team name to The n*****lips.

14 hours and it still has not been deleted. The n-word is published in full over there; blocked out here.

132 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:00:51pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

I started playing Skyrim and somehow wound up in the middle of an H.P. Lovecraft novel. Weird.

The cannibal quest?

133 darthstar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:01:28pm

re: #131 Balfour Rage

What right-wing racism? A comment from Dim’s site about the Washington Redskins name controversy:

14 hours and it still has not been deleted. The n-word is published in full over there; blocked out here.

I really want an app that allows me to de-anonymize assholes like that - put their real name, face, and contact information on their posts. That would put an end to that shit.

134 Balfour Rage  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:01:46pm
135 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:02:16pm

re: #132 Kragar

The cannibal quest?

My guess is the giant cube on that ice island and the tentacle thing.

136 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:04:06pm

re: #132 Kragar

The cannibal quest?

re: #135 The Ghost of a Flea

My guess is the giant cube on that ice island and the tentacle thing.

Neither, it’s the main questline for the Dragonborn DLC. It’s sort of sad when the minions I ran into put up more of a fight than the final boss.

137 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:04:28pm

re: #135 The Ghost of a Flea

My guess is the giant cube on that ice island and the tentacle thing.

There are a couple it could be.

138 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:04:32pm

Todd Starnes is so very concerned:

Several dozen U.S. Army active duty and reserve troops were told last week that the American Family Association, a well-respected Christian ministry, should be classified as a domestic hate group because the group advocates for traditional family values.

The briefing was held at Camp Shelby in Mississippi and listed the AFA alongside domestic hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis, the Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam.

Good, the AFA is a hate group. Brian Fischer has been clear about his desire to see gay sex re-criminalized and is on record not only supporting Russia’s anti “gay propaganda” law, but said it didn’t go far enough. The man and his organization are totally hateful, bigoted trash. Fuck them and their supporters, they have no place serving anywhere in this country’s armed forces.

139 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:05:35pm

re: #137 Kragar

There are a couple is could be.

Most of the Daedra quests are Lovecraftian a bit.

140 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:06:13pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

Neither, it’s the main questline for the Dragonborn DLC. It’s sort of sad when the minions I ran into put up more of a fight than the final boss.

Haven’t done that bit yet.

141 freetoken  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:07:41pm

re: #131 Balfour Rage

What right-wing racism? A comment from Dim’s site about the Washington Redskins name controversy:

14 hours and it still has not been deleted. The n-word is published in full over there; blocked out here.

It’s a PLANT as usual

142 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:07:50pm

re: #140 The Ghost of a Flea

Haven’t done that bit yet.

It was pretty short for me, but then again I am lvl 55 and rocking around in Dragonscale Armor and Dragonbone weapons. They never held up to my patented fighting style of running at them and swinging away like an insane lumberjack.

143 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:10:29pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

Neither, it’s the main questline for the Dragonborn DLC. It’s sort of sad when the minions I ran into put up more of a fight than the final boss.

I got that DLC, I just haven’t played threw it yet.

144 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:12:13pm

re: #143 Kragar

I got that DLC, I just haven’t played threw it yet.

Ah, then word of warning: Watch out for leaping exploding spiders.

145 darthstar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:13:39pm

Hey single ladies looking for true love! Wealthy Serbian dude has lots of pics of himself in his bling to impress you to come make babies for him.

dailymail.co.uk


Some pics:
Image: article-0-18AB8D7B00000578-568_634x452.jpg
Image: article-2453984-18AB8CE900000578-705_634x471.jpg
Image: article-2453984-18AB8CCD00000578-936_634x475.jpg

All his rooms are tastefully appointed, apparently.

146 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:16:39pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

Ah, then word of warning: Watch out for leaping exploding spiders.

They will not touch me. I am the wind. I am the night.

Image: jh3nQoy.jpg

147 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:17:11pm

re: #145 darthstar

Hey single ladies looking for true love! Wealthy Serbian dude has lots of pics of himself in his bling to impress you to come make babies for him.

dailymail.co.uk

Some pics:
Image: article-0-18AB8D7B00000578-568_634x452.jpg
Image: article-2453984-18AB8CE900000578-705_634x471.jpg
Image: article-2453984-18AB8CCD00000578-936_634x475.jpg

All his rooms are tastefully appointed, apparently.

“Hello Ladies…”

148 bratwurst  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:17:25pm

re: #145 darthstar

Hey single ladies looking for true love! Wealthy Serbian dude has lots of pics of himself in his bling to impress you to come make babies for him.

dailymail.co.uk

Some pics:
Image: article-0-18AB8D7B00000578-568_634x452.jpg
Image: article-2453984-18AB8CE900000578-705_634x471.jpg
Image: article-2453984-18AB8CCD00000578-936_634x475.jpg

All his rooms are tastefully appointed, apparently.

Hate the game, not the player!

149 darthstar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:17:49pm

re: #146 Kragar

They will not touch me. I am the wind. I am the night.

Image: jh3nQoy.jpg

What’s new, pussycat?

150 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:19:05pm

re: #146 Kragar

They will not touch me. I am the wind. I am the night.

Image: jh3nQoy.jpg

Yeah, that’s what I told myself the first time too. “I’ll just sneak through here and…WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!”

151 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:22:26pm

re: #142 Targetpractice

It was pretty short for me, but then again I am lvl 55 and rocking around in Dragonscale Armor and Dragonbone weapons. They never held up to my patented fighting style of running at them and swinging away like an insane lumberjack.

I had that problem with Dawnguard. Actually, I’m having that problem in general. After about level 50 the difficulty sort of flattened. I got one character up to 70 before it got boring, then I started again.

I may do a self-imposed ban on crafting and enchanting next play-through. Homebrew stuff makes you pretty untouchable.

152 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:27:52pm

re: #151 The Ghost of a Flea

I had that problem with Dawnguard. Actually, I’m having that problem in general. After about level 50 the difficulty sort of flattened. I got one character up to 70 before it got boring, then I started again.

I may do a self-imposed ban on crafting and enchanting next play-through. Homebrew stuff makes you pretty untouchable.

This is actually my first time playing in over a year. I got pretty far into the storyline then…I’m not quite sure. My memory’s never been the most reliable, so my guess is either I got bored or frustrated and stopped playing. Think it was because I’d gone from playing Fallout that allowed me to build up skills with points to a game where they expect you to use a skill to improve it. So I was a lumbering barbarian who couldn’t sneak worth a damn, trying to become the Guild Master of the Thieves Guild.

I said awhile back that I tend to have an easier time playing a game the second time around, when I actually understand the mechanics behind it. And that’s been true so far, as Sneak was the first skill I maxed out this time around.

153 darthstar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:29:07pm

Xmas shopping help from the WTFSIMFD people.

whatthefuckshouldibuyforchristmas.com

154 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:34:20pm

Hey, Charles! If you’re reading this thread, my access is OK now. No more error 403 pages. I haven’t needed to use a VPN for several days.

I got your message via Twitter. AFAIK, the university just has one public IP. I can try accessing from my office computer and see if makes a difference. Usually, I just visit LGF from home.

155 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:44:06pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

I’m taking a break right now precisely so I don’t burn out. Switched to Borderlands 2, which is a bit jarring. It’s weird how you develop motor instincts for one game, then it feels off to play another with a slightly different MO.

156 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 10:46:44pm

re: #155 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m taking a break right now precisely so I don’t burn out. Switched to Borderlands 2, which is a bit jarring. It’s weird how you develop motor instincts for one game, then it feels off to play another with a slightly different MO.

No kidding. I’m surprised at how comfortable I got with melee combat in Skyrim, considering I never used melee weapons in Fallout. Think that’s part of the reason I got Dawnguard, just so I could have a crossbow. Haven’t finished the main quest there but I did every single quest involved in upgrading the crossbow.

157 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 11:07:15pm

re: #155 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m taking a break right now precisely so I don’t burn out. Switched to Borderlands 2, which is a bit jarring. It’s weird how you develop motor instincts for one game, then it feels off to play another with a slightly different MO.

Heck. I get that way between Black Ops and Black Ops 2.

Love Borderlands 2 though. You on a PC/Steam? I’m always looking for people to play with. :)

158 Lidane  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 11:41:09pm

I need to invest in popcorn futures:

159 Kragar  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 11:50:16pm

re: #158 Lidane

I need to invest in popcorn futures:

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Oh, we could not get that lucky.

160 freetoken  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:18:45am

This one goes out to the Nugent campaign:

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161 Teukka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:39:11am

re: #82 AlexRogan

Here’s another page at that blog worth the read, about chlorine trifluoride: “Sand Won’t Save You This Time”

Nasty stuff…

From the comments on that article:

Suitable Extinguishing Media: NONE

Says it all. Really.

I present this video, made at some point by some French lunatics. You may observe the mild reactivity of this gentle substance as it encounters various common laboratory materials, and draw your own conclusions:

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162 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:39:16am

So, the GOP changed the standing rules of the House so only the GOP Leader can call for votes in the House.

Youtube Video

Fuck every fucking Republican and the bastards who elected them.

163 freetoken  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:51:13am

Regarding last night’s DWTS episode, the point …

Spoiler

… of having judges is nominally to sort out the best, but the actual algorithm used in elimination makes the judges’ score pretty much irrelevant if they don’t make use of the full range of their paddles (1..10).

The point leader on the night, and the first person to score a 10 this season, was eliminated. Her high score didn’t matter because the judges were handing out 9’s left and right, in a feel-good orgy more saccharin than, well, saccharin.

At the beginning of the show the hosts mentioned that based on the popular vote during the week only, one of the women would be going home, meaning (but not spoken) that all the men outscored the women in the popular vote. Anyone who knows the show’s demographics knows why - it’s the majority female viewers who do the voting, and they were voting for all the male celebs.

So with the judges abdicating their (nominal, but not actual) responsibility to judge and the women viewers voting for their favorite guys, that left arguably one of the three best of the lot and the high scorer of the night out in the cold.

I write all this to reinforce my point yesterday that when looking at our society in America today and the issues we have and how we face, or don’t face, them and how the news media are really not into either factual exposition or investigative journalism, the whole segment of our economy we call the “media” and especially TV exists by convincing their consumer that the consumer is the center of the universe. DWTS does this by constantly reinforcing the idea that the viewer knows best. This is the lust of the Id, to arm-chair use an old phrase - that what is “good” is what I desire.

And this is what is happening in American politics in October 2013. The fundamentalist tea-partiers rant on an on about morality, but their current stunt is 100% about fulfilling their need to cover up their fears and insecurities about life in America in the 21st century. The all-or-nothing tactics are a temper tantrum by a needy persona, not the hallmarks of morality, which in nearly all conceivable ethical frameworks encompasses the idea that other people exist too.

164 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 1:24:11am

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

There are Confederate battle flags with a pink field, they were made out of ladies’ dresses at the end of the war when the South was running out of red fabric.

I would consider taking one of those to a protest rally just to see what reaction I got…

165 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 1:24:16am

IMF Strongly Suggests Countries Tax the Rich to Fix Deficit

Tax the rich and better target the multinationals: The IMF has set off shockwaves this week in Washington by suggesting countries fight budget deficits by raising taxes.

Tucked inside a report on public debt, the new tack was mostly eclipsed by worries about the US budget crisis, but did not escape the notice of experts and nongovernmental organizations (NGOs).

“We had to read it twice to be sure we had really understood it,” said Nicolas Mombrial, the head of Oxfam in Washington. “It’s rare that IMF proposals are so surprising.”

166 freetoken  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 1:41:09am

Our longhair moment of the day:

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167 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 1:44:54am

re: #166 freetoken

Our longhair moment of the day:

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Guess we need that if Ted Nugent has cut his hair…

168 freetoken  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 1:53:27am

re: #167 Sol Berdinowitz

The not-Nugent:

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169 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 1:54:44am

re: #163 freetoken


It’s basically mob rule. “Standards” be damned as long as it’s a popularity contest.

The Rs are going to have to get someone “sexier” than Ted Cruz, though. He might appeal to “macho” men who think might makes right (and to Sarah Palin, who secretly wants to be one of them), but it’s not selling to women, most of whom know better.

170 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 1:57:26am

re: #166 freetoken

Our longhair moment of the day:

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RaIse you one…

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171 sagehen  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 2:23:12am

So what’s the over/under on how many points the stock market has to drop before the House gets off its ass and does the right thing?

followed by… what’s the over/under on how many House members will blame Obama for the stock market dropping?

172 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 2:31:27am

WTH is a dry ice bomb? Would the chemists like to explain?

Photo: Scene at Los Angeles International after one dry ice bomb explodes, two others found

breakingnews.com

173 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 2:33:23am

re: #172 Justanotherhuman

WTH is a dry ice bomb? Would the chemists like to explain?

Photo: Scene at Los Angeles International after one dry ice bomb explodes, two others found

breakingnews.com

Take a length of pipe, threaded at each end. Close one end with a cap, sealing with thread tape. Drop in chunk of dry ice. Close other end with a cap, sealing with thread tape. Run like hell.

Works equally well with liquid nitrogen, but LN2 is more expensive and harder to handle. (Remember, kids. When transporting LN2 in a dewar flask, be sure NOT to cap the flask tight.)

174 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 2:37:47am

If the Rs have their way, we’re going to need more of these everywhere.

Photo: Obama makes sandwiches at DC food pantry Martha’s Table, discusses government shutdown and debt ceiling deadline - @joshledermanAP

pbs.twimg.com

You’d think there would be some Rs there, since absolutely nothing is happening in the House these days except grandstanding. They could be useful somewhere, somehow, but no…

175 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 2:53:56am

Dry ice bomb

A dry ice bomb is a simple bomb-like improvised explosive device. While the simplicity and ease of construction, high bursting pressure, and sound make this dry ice activity appealing for recreational purposes, it can be unpredictable and dangerous, and has led to many injuries - and dry ice bombs are illegal in many jurisdictions.

Dry ice bombs are commonly made from a container such as a plastic bottle, water, and dry ice. The bottle is filled about quarter full of water. Some broken chunks of dry ice are added and the container is shut tightly. As the solid carbon dioxide warms inside a bottle, it sublimates to a gas. The pressure inside the bottle increases as the quantity of gas increases with limited room to expand. Bombs will typically rupture within 30 seconds to 30 minutes, dependent largely on the temperature of the air outside the bottle.[1] A dry ice bomb may develop a frost on the bottle exterior prior to explosion.[1] After explosion, a dry ice bomb will appear to have shattered, with the overall shape of the device intact.[1] Dry ice bombs are most commonly used on their own to simply make a blast.

We used to make something like them with MREs. Take the water activated heater, break it open and dump the powder into a plastic bottle, pour in a little water, screw the cap on tight, and toss it. In a minute or so, you got a pretty satisfying firecracker.

176 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 3:02:01am

re: #175 Kragar

Dry ice bomb

We used to make something like them with MREs. Take the water activated heater, break it open and dump the powder into a plastic bottle, pour in a little water, screw the cap on tight, and toss it. In a minute or so, you got a pretty satisfying firecracker.

Like Mentos mints and diet Pepsi?

177 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 3:03:05am

Thanks for the explanation about dry ice, guys. They don’t sound all that effective unless you’re standing in their immediate vicinity.

So, this could have been a prank or actually something that was supposed to be harmful? I’d almost bet it’s someone employed in the airport itself. I mean, who would go through the bother of parking, etc, to do something like that, esp more than once?

178 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 3:14:54am

Not so secret meeting of House RWNJs. Trying to thwart any deal that didn’t meet their demands? Well, you wankers don’t make policy like you think you’re entitled to—so fuck off.

Ted Cruz, House Republicans Meet in Secret at Tortilla Coast

blogs.rollcall.com

“While the dinner meeting was held in a private basement room, the group was spotted by Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., who was dining with some other members, including Gregg Harper, R-Miss. McCarthy is a regular at the Capitol Hill restaurant, and a source said he seemed particularly interested in what the group was up to.

“While the emerging deal to reopen the government and hike the debt ceiling increase may have been a hot topic, it was not immediately clear what the group actually discussed. But the fact that such a group met with Cruz at all could give House GOP leaders even more heartburn as they consider themselves what to do if the Senate passes the measure.

“The deal that is materializing in the Senate is one that Cruz and his House compatriots are unlikely to endorse. But it appears to be one that can pass both chambers with bipartisan support.”

179 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 3:50:11am

re: #178 Justanotherhuman

It’s beginning to sound like a political conspiracy potboiler, the kind that sits on the NYT bestseller list for weeks on end.

180 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 3:54:46am

re: #179 wheat-dogghazi

It’s beginning to sound like a political conspiracy potboiler, the kind that sits on the NYT bestseller list for weeks on end.

Yeah, it seems Cruz and his House crew are working independently of everyone else.

Trying to pull a coup? Fuck them. That’s treason and a very indictable offense. They’re treading on very thin ice.

There is absolutely no discipline in the House. All that alcohol (and tanning) has destroyed Boehner’s brain and there’s not much activity in there.

181 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:02:20am

re: #180 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, it seems Cruz and his House crew are working independently of everyone else.

Trying to pull a coup? Fuck them. That’s treason and a very indictable offense. They’re treading on very thin ice.

There is absolutely no discipline in the House. All that alcohol (and tanning) has destroyed Boehner’s brain and there’s not much activity in there.

Maybe Cruz is the Manchurian Candidate, part of a long range plan by Castro to bring the USA down to Cuba’s level.

/ half

182 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:18:47am

re: #181 wheat-dogghazi

Maybe Cruz is the Manchurian Candidate, part of a long range plan by Castro to bring the USA down to Cuba’s level.

/ half

In spite of his Ivy League education, I don’t think Cruz is bright enough to pull something like that off.

No, this purely domestic, brought to you by the TP and Koch Bros, and expedited by the libertarian dudebros (although they would deny it). I really do see it as a direct assault on our form of govt.

183 JamesB  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:25:16am

re: #28 ProTARDISLiberal

It concluded with this:

Can someone explain what the 433 kcal of energy means in this reaction?

I’ll try and walk through this. If I make a mistake someone please correct me.
433kcal = 1.812 mJoules
TNT has an energy density of 4.7mJ/k
So mixing 4 molecules of this is the equivalent of 0.3 kilograms of TNT or about 2 sticks of Dynamite.

184 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:28:16am

re: #164 Sol Berdinowitz

There are Confederate battle flags with a pink field, they were made out of ladies’ dresses at the end of the war when the South was running out of red fabric.

I would consider taking one of those to a protest rally just to see what reaction I got…

I think it would look better with a rainbow background and the hello kitties on a pink cross.

185 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:29:19am

re: #123 Mattand

Even the supposedly so-liberal-they-hate-America NPR is getting in on the false balance act. Unreal.

They’ve been bad for some time - the first time they got their budget cut for saying something the GOP disliked, the first thing they did was hire the Magic Balance Fairy. Not that it’s kept them safe but it has made their reporting much much much worse.

As I’ve said before, there is no liberal mass media anymore. It’s either corporate based center right or it’s wingnut feeding far right.

186 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:35:21am

re: #165 Amory Blaine

IMF Strongly Suggests Countries Tax the Rich to Fix Deficit

Amazing - someone actually talking sense? 24 or 48 hours till the author is fired?

187 socrets  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:51:58am

If you’re into slavery and white supremacy, then, yes, it’s just like the Gay Pride flag.

188 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:57:10am

re: #185 William Barnett-Lewis

While waiting for my son to finish his homework, my annoyance with NPR’s coverage boiled over and I sent this to their Ombudsman’s email:

The coverage of the recent government shutdown by a small minority of house members has been extremely poor. It has been especially poor in relation to the application of the “Magic Balance Fairy” by all the reporters involved. The attempt to portray both sides as equally to blame is odious in it’s intellectual dishonesty.

I realize that NPR is terrified of losing more of it’s federal funding, but the craven kowtowing to the GOP does no one - the listeners or the public in general - any good.

Is there any hope for NPR to actually report honestly on political matters or is it best to look for news about America in places like the BBC or Deutsche Welle?

189 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:08:45am

re: #183 JamesB

I’ll try and walk through this. If I make a mistake someone please correct me.
433kcal = 1.812 mJoules
TNT has an energy density of 4.7mJ/k
So mixing 4 molecules of this is the equivalent of 0.3 kilograms of TNT or about 2 sticks of Dynamite.

That’s about right, I think. Messing with FOOF is not for the faint-hearted. The video above of ClF3 was scary enough.

Interestingly, 433 kcal = 433 Calories (as in food Calories). That’s about the same energy content in a 1-liter bottle of Coke. (Source: sugarstacks.com ) Of course, the difference in the length of time required to release that energy is substantially different.

190 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:21:58am

re: #183 JamesB

Here, take some anti-matter.
Have fun.

191 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:23:23am

re: #158 Lidane

I need to invest in popcorn futures:

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I am drooling with anticipation over the highly anticipated Gohmert/Nugent ticket.

192 sagehen  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:23:34am

re: #188 William Barnett-Lewis

While waiting for my son to finish his homework, my annoyance with NPR’s coverage boiled over and I sent this to their Ombudsman’s email:

Good letter, do let us know if you get a reply.

193 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:25:47am

re: #187 socrets

If you’re into slavery and white supremacy, then, yes, it’s just like the Gay Pride flag.

Because the flag that says “we think it’s okay to own people” is exactly like the flag that says “we would like to be included.”

194 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:29:45am

re: #184 Vicious Babushka

I think it would look better with a rainbow background and the hello kitties on a pink cross.

That’s what inspired that thought…

195 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:43:16am
Ted Cruz, House Republicans Meet in Secret at Tortilla Coast

I find that public restaurants are the best places to have secret meetings.

196 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:44:46am

re: #187 socrets

If you’re into slavery and white supremacy, then, yes, it’s just like the Gay Pride flag.

Yunno, there are times and places where I would not think too hard about the Confederate battle flag and its display: certainly not in any sort of historical commemoration or on private property.

But at contemporary political rally its message is quite clear: do what we want or we’re outta here!

197 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:45:59am

re: #194 Sol Berdinowitz

That’s what inspired that thought…

Steve’s design has a pink background and hello kitties on a rainbow cross, I would like to see that design reversed.

198 Stoatly  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:48:58am

re: #37 dog philosopher

how does it taste if you mix it with a little tonic water?

re: #102 chadu

Like a Caipirinha.

I like introducing people to Caipirinhas - the first reaction is usually “What the fuck are you trying to do to me?”

Most become converts, BWAH HA HA HA!

199 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:49:47am

Oh, great.

Typhoon threatens Japan; precautions at Fukushima nuclear plant

(Reuters) - A once-in-a-decade typhoon threatened Japan on Tuesday, disrupting travel and shipping and forcing precautions to be taken at the wrecked Fukushima nuclear power plant.

reuters.com

200 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:50:06am

The Tortilla Coast Revolt

201 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:51:29am
202 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:52:47am


The smears of a desperate campaign, relying on the unreliable and birther-centric Daily Caller for “facts”.

A director best-known for a birther conspiracy film about President Obama makes short documentaries asserting that Cory Booker (who also happens to be a black politician — what are the odds?) is lying about his past. The news organization that publishes these claims does not back them up, explaining instead that it’s only reprinting what the filmmaker’s interview subjects had to say. The story is linked all day — one of only two news cycles before the election — on the Drudge Report and Fox News. It’s endorsed by the candidate’s opponent. If you were a conspiracy theorist, you’d think Booker planned it.

Anyone who follows Cory Booker or his twitter (@CoryBooker) knows he lives in Newark, and regularly helps folks in his neighborhood. He was taking in people who lived near his home when they lost power during Sandy. He regularly talks about his community and helping his neighbors.

It’s laughable that something like this could even generate any momentum, but with the RWNJ smear machine in full effect, this is all they’ve got left on Booker - that he doesn’t live in Newark.

The facts show otherwise.

That wont stop the nutters though. They’ll buy in to this nonsense as though it’s the truth, and ignore all facts to the contrary. It’s what they do.

203 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:56:12am

re: #200 b.d.

The Tortilla Coast Revolt

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Then the only choice Boehner has at this point in time is to suspend the ‘Hastert Rule’, rustle up 20-odd centrist Republicans and get the Democrats on board.

Endgame.

204 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:56:54am

re: #192 sagehen

Good letter, do let us know if you get a reply.

And a gift certificate to the Shameless Commerce Division…

205 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:56:57am

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

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Fuck him and the religious bullshit surrounding him.

206 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:56:59am

re: #200 b.d.

The Tortilla Coast Revolt

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Conservatives in the House are revolting every morning.

207 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:00:55am

re: #203 Dr Lizardo

Then the only choice Boehner has at this point in time is to suspend the ‘Hastert Rule’, rustle up 20-odd centrist Republicans and get the Democrats on board.

Endgame.

That’s where we were a month ago. It’s been that way from the beginning. Without the Hastert rule, we’d have a budget deal and a debt ceiling increase without the drama. With it, Boehner went all in with the Tea Party extortionists, and they should get nothing except lost elections from here on out. Except that they’ll get to keep their seats because they’ve been gerrymandered into safety. The threat the GOP extortionists make is that if anyone strays from their line that they’d primary those who go over and actually keep the nation from defaulting with more extremist candidates.

Cowards. The lot of the GOP are a bunch of cowards - from Speaker Boehner on down.

And that cowardice extends to the way they look at the President and his signature legislative achievement - the PPACA (ACA, Obamacare). It’s a center-right proposal born from Heritage and GOP ideas countering Hillarycare, but he got it done. They went from support to claiming their idea was unconstitutional in the blink of an eye. All because they simply can’t accept the legitimacy of the President (and the same people who smear the President with birther nonsense are at it with Cory Booker too - see above).

208 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:01:51am

I must have missed when gay activists fired on US property and were engaged in active rebellion against the US. Honestly, I think people should be able to wear CSA regalia but I should be able to mock them and call them bigots too.

209 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:03:10am

re: #207 lawhawk

That’s where we were a month ago. It’s been that way from the beginning. Without the Hastert rule, we’d have a budget deal and a debt ceiling increase without the drama. With it, Boehner went all in with the Tea Party extortionists, and they should get nothing except lost elections from here on out. Except that they’ll get to keep their seats because they’ve been gerrymandered into safety. The threat the GOP extortionists make is that if anyone strays from their line that they’d primary those who go over and actually keep the nation from defaulting with more extremist candidates.

Cowards. The lot of the GOP are a bunch of cowards - from Speaker Boehner on down.

And that cowardice extends to the way they look at the President and his signature legislative achievement - the PPACA (ACA, Obamacare). It’s a center-right proposal born from Heritage and GOP ideas countering Hillarycare, but he got it done. They went from support to claiming their idea was unconstitutional in the blink of an eye. All because they simply can’t accept the legitimacy of the President (and the same people who smear the President with birther nonsense are at it with Cory Booker too - see above).

I totally agree. It’s sickening that the United States has come to this, being held hostage to the demands, whims and paranoid fantasies of a relative handful of nutburgers.

210 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:06:50am

I just got this spam email from “Americans For Prosperity” (Koch front group)

Should we give Washington a blank check?

At this moment, President Obama is working with leadership in both parties to put together a plan to raise the debt ceiling without cutting a single dollar in spending. Earlier this year we fought hard to maintain the spending cuts Congress already agreed to through the Budget Control Act, but now they’re trying to erase even those modest cuts.

Runaway entitlement programs continue to put pressure on our budget and AFP has consistently called for dollar-for-dollar spending reforms in any package to raise the debt ceiling.

Go here to make your voice heard! The deal is coming together now!

Blank-check debt limit increases are the reason we’re getting dangerously close to $17 trillion in debt. There are a lot of good ideas out there about how to reform these programs. Go here to read AFP’s latest report with our suggestions to cut back over $1 trillion. These are commonsense ideas that both parties should embrace. Some of them are even from the President’s own budget.

Last minute negotiations behind closed doors are the worst way to run a government. Make sure Congress knows that you want to see dollar-for-dollar spending reforms included in the bill that raises the debt ceiling.

No more blank checks!

Go here to make your voice heard! And hurry - the deal is coming together now!

Thank you for all you do for economic freedom,
Tim Phillips sig

Tim Phillips
President of Americans for Prosperity

Dear Tim:
Go fuck yourself.

Sincerely,
Babushka

211 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:14:30am

re: #47 The Mountain That Blogs

Wait, this isn’t a fake account?

Kincannon? Any chance he’s Irish-Catholic? Maybe he’d like a few potato famine jokes tossed his way.

Sometimes I think that most teabaggers are just woefully misinformed, and maybe a lot are. But some are quite obviously despicable human beings who delight in the suffering of others.

212 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:14:59am

re: #210 Vicious Babushka

“Runaway entitlement programs”? Give me a break. More propaganda brought to you by the family that personifies “we got ours, so you fuck off.”

213 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:18:00am

re: #211 Ian G.

Wait, this isn’t a fake account?

Kincannon? Any chance he’s Irish-Catholic? Maybe he’d like a few potato famine jokes tossed his way.

Sometimes I think that most teabaggers are just woefully misinformed, and maybe a lot are. But some are quite obviously despicable human beings who delight in the suffering of others.

Yeah there’s ignorance and there’s delight in the suffering of others which is what that tweet was. Glad he thinks the decimation of an entire people is haw-haw funny. Sick fucker.

214 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:18:25am

re: #212 wheat-dogghazi

“Runaway entitlement programs”? Give me a break. More propaganda brought to you by the family that personifies “we got ours, so you fuck off.”

But don’t suggest increasing their taxes to Clinton era levels, it’s big government tyranny.//

215 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:27:39am

This much stupid should hurt.

216 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:28:07am

re: #214 HappyWarrior

But don’t suggest increasing their taxes to Clinton Eisenhower era levels, it’s big government tyranny.//

217 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:28:33am

I noticed that European stocks are getting a bit of a lift on rumors of a debt default deal in the works in the US. Unfortunately, I think the Europeans may be making the mistake of assuming that the TP’ers are - in the end - rational actors.

It wouldn’t be the first time folks have made that mistake. It’s human nature; we presume that the people we deal with are just as rational as we are, and this can lead to horrific consequences when fanaticism isn’t properly recognized or understood.

cnbc.com

218 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:29:20am

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

It does. Gives me a headache. :-) Good morning VB

219 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:31:44am

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

This much stupid should hurt.

ObamaCare is a step closer to a Communist takeover of the USA. Govt. control of our lives. Where’s competitive enterprise.

Because even Adam F*ing Smith pointed out that free enterprise and free markets are there to benefit eveyone, not just the producers.

And that’s what ACA is about - to make the markets work to everyone’s benefit.

220 sagehen  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:33:55am

re: #203 Dr Lizardo

Then the only choice Boehner has at this point in time is to suspend the ‘Hastert Rule’, rustle up 20-odd centrist Republicans and get the Democrats on board.

Endgame.

Except for that odd rule change that says only the majority leader can bring this particular bill to the floor — I’m not sure if the Speaker still has the normal parliamentary perogative. I’m confused.

221 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:36:19am

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

This much stupid should hurt.

Drinking from the same flagon of Kool-aid as my relative I mentioned a few days ago. Obamacare is teh commoonism, because shut up.

222 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:36:23am

re: #220 sagehen

Except for that odd rule change that says only the majority leader can bring this particular bill to the floor — I’m not sure if the Speaker still has the normal parliamentary perogative. I’m confused.

The sound byte on FB leads me to the conclusion that even with votes, the Majority leader has to…

223 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:36:35am

re: #219 Sol Berdinowitz

Because even Adam F*ing Smith pointed out that free enterprise and free markets are there to benefit eveyone, not just the producers.

And that’s what ACA is about - to make the markets work to everyone’s benefit.

You have to remember that maybe 5% of those who quote (or rather misquote) Smith have actually read any of him. His comments on banks and on the necessity of public schooling would horrify most of the so-called conservatives. Make them read his book on ethics and they’d run screaming. Can you imagine Randian’s reading this:

The Theory of Moral Sentiments begins with the following assertion:
How selfish soever man may be supposed, there are evidently some principles in his nature, which interest him in the fortunes of others, and render their happiness necessary to him, though he derives nothing from it, except the pleasure of seeing it. Of this kind is pity or compassion, the emotion we feel for the misery of others, when we either see it, or are made to conceive it in a very lively manner. That we often derive sorrow from the sorrows of others, is a matter of fact too obvious to require any instances to prove it; for this sentiment, like all the other original passions of human nature, is by no means confined to the virtuous or the humane, though they perhaps may feel it with the most exquisite sensibility. The greatest ruffian, the most hardened violator of the laws of society, is not altogether without it.

en.wikipedia.org

224 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:37:44am

LAX dry ice “bomb”? “Device”? OMG it was near planes! Whats next people who pop their finger from their cheek are co conspirators?

CBS appears desperate for dramatic news this morning.

225 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:39:54am

re: #223 William Barnett-Lewis

Smith understood that a completely free market was not ideal. He knew that greed is a powerful motivation, and without government supervision, nay, even taxation, the free market would in the end lead to price fixing, cartels, monopolies, and a general ravaging of the less fortunate.

226 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:39:58am
227 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:40:58am

re: #224 GOPHostage#25698724

LAX dry ice “bomb”? “Device”? OMG it was near planes! Whats next people who pop their finger from their cheek are co conspiorators?

CBS appears desperate for dramatic news this morning.

Overtime baby!

Yeah, another suspicious package. Time to call in a 12 alarm fire, 24 police departments, DHS, FBI, state police, 2 SWAT teams, 6 news helicopters…

228 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:41:06am

re: #214 HappyWarrior

But don’t suggest increase their taxes to Clinton era levels, it’s big government tyranny.//

Restore tax rates to REAGAN era levels then everyone will be happy, no?

229 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:42:11am

re: #225 wheat-dogghazi

Smith understood that a completely free market was not ideal. He knew that greed is a powerful motivation, and without government supervision, nay, even taxation, the free market would in the end lead to price fixing, cartels, monopolies, and a general ravaging of the less fortunate.

Free markets are a means to an end, a mechanism to help balance supply and demand and direct flows of capital to where they do the most benefit.

it becomes dangerious as an end unto itself, as we have seen.

Greed is a force of nature, and like any other force of nature, it needs to be contained. Flowing water can irrigate fields or generate electricity if properly channelized.

If not, it can drown people and lay waste to entire cities.

230 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:42:23am

re: #228 b.d.

Restore tax rates to REAGAN era levels then everyone will be happy, no?

You’d think but no.

231 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:43:13am

re: #228 b.d.

Restore tax rates to REAGAN era levels then everyone will be happy, no?

I keep saying I want taxes at the level they were on the last day of the Eisenhower presidency and use the money finance Johnson style anti-poverty and infrastructure programs.

232 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:43:38am

re: #228 b.d.

Restore tax rates to REAGAN era levels then everyone will be happy, no?

Because Reagan exists only as an idealized memory of an America that never really existed outside people’s minds…

233 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:44:40am

There’s one thing the Senate could do that might get Boehner to bring a clean bill to the floor. Add a provision to mandate that the GOP not spend one red cent helping teabaggers get reelected in 2014.

234 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:46:33am
235 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:47:23am

I am braving reading A Game of Thrones. So far, I’m to the point where the kid Bran has discovered the queen and her brother making whoopee in bed, and the brother pushes the kid out the window, leaving him busted up and in a coma. It’s like reading one of those classic novels from the 19th century that spend hundreds of pages to move the plot forward three days.

I gather it doesn’t get much better from here.

236 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:49:45am
237 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:50:04am

re: #224 GOPHostage#25698724

LAX dry ice “bomb”? “Device”? OMG it was near planes! Whats next people who pop their finger from their cheek are co conspiorators?

CBS appears desperate for dramatic news this morning.

I guess my entire college fraternity should be on a terrorist watch list, since one of the chemistry majors used to steal dry ice from the lab from time to time so we could mix it with water in a 2-liter soda bottle and toss it down the hill. The explosion would be quite loud.

238 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:52:04am

This is what the traitors in the Republican Party are willing to foist on the rest of us.

Analysis: U.S. debt ceiling crisis would start quiet, go downhill fast

reuters.com

In case, like me, you were wondering why all the fuss over the “medical device tax”, here’s a pretty clear explanation. As usual, Rs are doing their bit for corporations to keep profits and get even bigger and richer while shafting workers and getting out of paying taxes owed.

offthechartsblog.org

239 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:55:29am

re: #235 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve stated my feelings on that series a number of times. Let’s just say that’s one of the moral high points of the series. There is no one worth rooting for.

240 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:59:30am

re: #239 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ve stated my feelings on that series a number of times. Let’s just say that’s one of the moral high points of the series. There is no one worth rooting for.

Thank you for reminding me why I have not read or watched any of it.

241 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:59:40am

re: #238 Justanotherhuman

This is what the traitors in the Republican Party are willing to foist on the rest of us.

Analysis: U.S. debt ceiling crisis would start quiet, go downhill fast

reuters.com

In case, like me, you were wondering why all the fuss over the “medical device tax”, here’s a pretty clear explanation. As usual, Rs are doing their bit for corporations to keep profits and get even bigger and richer while shafting workers and getting out of paying taxes owed.

offthechartsblog.org

That really is a large part of why they want to push things out to the 17th or past it, because they’re sure that nothing bad will happen immediately, allowing them to say “See, there’s no reason to fear not raising the debt ceiling!” Makes their intransigence in the future somehow easier to justify in their minds, by just saying that the Treasury saying we’ll hit the wall on a certain date doesn’t mean the country will collapse at 12:01am.

242 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:00:39am

Canceling subsidies? Are they out of their minds?


DOA.

243 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:01:38am

re: #242 Justanotherhuman

Canceling subsidies? Are they out of their minds?

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DOA.

Ah, so they decided to push the “Vitter Amendment.” Morons.

244 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:03:16am

re: #242 Justanotherhuman

DETAILS FROM GOP BILL: debt ceiling till feb7, govt funding till jan 15. Medical device tax delay for 2yrs. Language canceling hc subsidies
— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) October 15, 2013

2 yrs delay on med device tax…. they are “thinking” to delay it hoping to win the presidency in 2 years. The GOP are like little kids hiding their broccoli under the mashed potatoes.

245 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:03:55am

re: #242 Justanotherhuman

re: #243 Targetpractice

It’s definitely looking like default is the outcome.

Brace for impact.


BBIAB

246 Stanley Sea  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:04:35am

Does anyone here do coding/write technical dox with intuit/quickbooks?

Contract job avail - it’s a good friend of mine. email them at:

order dot oso dot inc + mh @gmail

use real dots no spaces and a plus sign ya.

247 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:04:53am

Note this is the House bill, the one that go introduced in a meeting which began with them singing “Amazing Grace.”

Yegods.

248 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:05:05am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

It’s definitely looking like default is the outcome.

Brace for impact.

BBIAB

Yet, MSNBC is reporting “progress” and “hope” for a settlement, w/o mentioning some of the aspects of the House bill which is to be voted on tonight.

249 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:05:30am
250 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:06:19am

re: #249 Gus

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They’re zealots. They really think they’re doing holy work with this shit. Truly scary if you ask me.

251 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:06:59am

The House bill will also include the language proposed last week to strip the Treasury of its ability to engage in “extraordinary measures” to prevent a default on the new date.

252 sagehen  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:07:04am

re: #225 wheat-dogghazi

Smith understood that a completely free market was not ideal. He knew that greed is a powerful motivation, and without government supervision, nay, even taxation, the free market would in the end lead to price fixing, cartels, monopolies, and a general ravaging of the less fortunate.

He also supported progressive taxation, on the grounds that poor people have to spend all their earnings on basic necessities, while wealthier people still have money left after the necessities are covered.

253 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:08:30am

re: #251 Targetpractice

The House bill will also include the language proposed last week to strip the Treasury of its ability to engage in “extraordinary measures” to prevent a default on the new date.

So they’re really gonna drive us all over the cliff.

Fuckers.

254 sagehen  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:09:05am

re: #229 Sol Berdinowitz

Flowing water can irrigate fields or generate electricity if properly channelized.

If not, it can drown people and lay waste to entire cities.

And if allowed to pool and stagnate in too few places, it breeds disease.

255 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:09:13am

Yes folks, this is what the shutdown has become about, a 2 year delay of a tax that does not directly affect consumers and will only add to the deficit.

Congrats, GOP, you truly showed where your “principles” stand.////

256 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:09:20am

Singing Amazing Grace at the opening? What are the GOP doing thinking that this is a funeral or wake? Seriously? They think that this latest proposal has any better chance of success than any of their other poison pill provisions?

Stuck on Stupid. That’s what they are. Perpetually stuck on stupid, and it’s going to result in a default because they have no idea of what to do other than destroy this President and Obamacare, and don’t care that the implications of their acts will have disastrous effects above and beyond what they’ve already done with the shutdown.

257 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:09:44am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

They’re zealots. They really think they’re doing holy work with this shit. Truly scary if you ask me.

What religion? //

But hey, don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings you know.

258 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:10:37am

re: #257 Gus

What religion? //

But hey, don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings you know.

Islam obviously.//

259 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:10:48am

Monty Python’s Eric Idle takes on the United States:

huffingtonpost.com

Now some people get very angry when a non-American like me dares to talk about America. “Well, piss off then, go somewhere else,” they say. Forgetting that we who live amongst you are the ones who like you the most, and if you don’t listen to what we think, then the ostracization of America will continue. Bend over, head in sand, hand on heart, salute flag.

The great thing about America has always been your ability to rally round in difficult times, especially under attack and create new solutions to modern problems. Of your current state the Founding Fathers would be horrified and terrified. Nobody asked the Mothers. You may need to re-evaluate. The Constitution may need updating. It’s not the Bible. Then, neither is the Bible.

We need you to prosper. You can rule the world, or you can ruin it. Time to wake up. We really need you.

Pretty please.

260 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:11:08am

re: #253 makeitstop

So they’re really gonna drive us all over the cliff.

Fuckers.

I despise them with a white-hot passion.

They deserve the worst vilification anyone can give them.

They would sell all of us out for their masters. Sorry assed bastards.

261 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:11:54am

Whole thing’s a rather cynical play on the House GOP’s part, at least from where I sit. Get this bill out before tomorrow and then declare that the House “has acted” and now the Senate “must act” by passing the bill unaltered in order to avoid a default.

262 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:11:59am

If the medical device tax is delayed, embarrassingly the RWNJ cult will consider this some sort of “victory”.

263 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:12:53am

Funeral dirge.

264 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:13:42am

re: #262 Dr. Matt

If the medical device tax is delayed, embarrassingly the RWNJ cult will consider this some sort of “victory”.

Unfortunately they won’t, they’ll declare it a “cave” and any Republican who votes for it will be assured of a primary challenge. They want the law defunded or delayed, anything less is unacceptable in their minds.

265 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:18:02am

Waiting on Boehner to come out for presser. Will he be drunk on his ass?

Probably, so he won’t be able to give a shit about what he’s doing.

266 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:19:15am

re: #239 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ve stated my feelings on that series a number of times. Let’s just say that’s one of the moral high points of the series. There is no one worth rooting for.

I was a lit major, and have slogged through several tomes from Don Quijote forward. This book reads like one of those early novels — pages and pages of exposition and dialog with very slow plot development. The writing, in and of itself, is pretty good; Martin can pull you along in the story. But, honestly, the book needs major editing to tighten up the pacing. If I wanted to read long, detailed accounts of aristocratic families conspiring for the throne of a kingdom, I’d settle down with a book about real history, not a semi-magical imaginary land.

I got through four books of The Wheel of Time series before I finally tired of the whole thing, and quit part way through book 5. I’ve got a lot of patience for literature, but even I have my limits.

267 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:20:25am

Did the hamsters just take their union break or was it a problem on my end?

268 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:26:00am

So anyone know how the rules of Congress work? Can the House pass this bill, and then can the Senate simply remove the bad stuff and hand it off to Obama for a signature?

269 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:26:38am

I hope we have a live thread when the house votes on re-opening the government. I am really reallllllllllllllllly looking forward to it.
Knumbskulls say “see! Gubmint not necessary!” All the while rotten food is going around the country, no automobile recalls instigated, no parks, no gun back ground checks! How does this make any sense?
Wall Street overlords of the R’s? Notice how quickly they caved after the ws rally last week.

270 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:26:43am

re: #244 Dr. Matt

2 yrs delay on med device tax…. they are “thinking” to delay it hoping to win the presidency in 2 years. The GOP are like little kids hiding their broccoli under the mashed potatoes.

Here’s a horrid thought:

What if they vote on this bill, then recess until next week? They are scheduled to be back in their districts this week, and there are no votes scheduled until Tues, the 22nd.

This would force the Senate and the President to accept this bill or risk payments not going out next week. I could totally see these fuckers trying this kind of stunt.

271 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:26:47am

re: #266 wheat-dogghazi

I found DQ to be far faster paced and at least the protagonists were worth slogging through the rest of it, unlike GoT. OTOH, I do prefer the retellings of the story of which “Man of La Mancha” remains the best.

272 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:27:03am

re: #268 Ian G.

So anyone know how the rules of Congress work? Can the House pass this bill, and then can the Senate simply remove the bad stuff and hand it off to Obama for a signature?

No, unfortunately any amendments made to the bill mean it has to go back to the House, who will assuredly kill the bill in such an event. Unless Boehner decides now is the time to rediscover his balls and accept Dem votes to pass this amended bill.

273 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:27:27am

re: #268 Ian G.

No it would have to go back to the House to be voted on before going to the president, assuming they don’t stick other shit on it.

274 sagehen  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:27:35am

re: #268 Ian G.

So anyone know how the rules of Congress work? Can the House pass this bill, and then can the Senate simply remove the bad stuff and hand it off to Obama for a signature?

It has to go back and forth between the House and Senate until they’ve both passed the same thing (that’s what conference committees are for).

275 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:27:36am

So. When does vinegar, baking soda, and an empty pop bottle become a WMD?

276 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:28:22am

re: #267 Targetpractice

I had a brief glitch, too.

Meanwhile, my own blog is still plagued with internal server error 500, and my host only says they are working on it. Sounds a major problem on their end.

277 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:28:33am

re: #266 wheat-dogghazi

. If I wanted to read long, detailed accounts of aristocratic families conspiring for the throne of a kingdom, I’d settle down with a book about real history, not a semi-magical imaginary land.

War of the Roses anyone?

278 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:28:43am

BREAKING: VINEGAR AND BAKING SODA BOMB FOUND AT JFK AIRPORT. SWAT TEAMS AND DHS AGENTS HAVE THE PLACE SURROUNDED. DEMOLITIONS TEAM ON THEIR WAY TO SCENE!

279 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:29:12am

Now the New Comments button isn’t showing the number of new posts. Is there server maintenance going on?

280 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:29:36am

Baking soda bomb PTSD. Cop takes 1 year off with pay on disability to recover.

281 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:32:28am
282 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:32:47am

The latest House demands:

A two-year delay of Obamacare’s medical device tax.
A requirement that the Obama administration verify the income of Americans receiving tax subsidies through Obamacare (specifics pending).
A revised version of the so-called Vitter Amendment, in this case requiring Congress members and executive department officials like President Obama — but not their staffs — to purchase insurance through the law’s marketplace without federal employer subsidies.
Eliminates Treasury Department’s ability to use “extraordinary measures” to avoid default.

Fuck you clowns. No deal.

283 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:33:21am

BREAKING! EXPLOSION IN CHEMISTRY CLASS AT GRISWALD HIGH SCHOOL! CHEMISTRY TEACHER ARRESTED ON SUSPICION OF TERRORISM!

284 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:33:22am

re: #282 makeitstop

The latest House demands:

Fuck you clowns. No deal.

This is what they call a deal? Fucking assclowns.

285 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:34:20am

re: #271 William Barnett-Lewis

I found DQ to be far faster paced and at least the protagonists were worth slogging through the rest of it, unlike GoT. OTOH, I do prefer the retellings of the story of which “Man of La Mancha” remains the best.

Indeed. It also helps that DQ was intended to be a parody and then light-hearted satire. I have not read War and Peace (I know, shameful, but my focus at uiniversity was not on Russian novels), but I suspect even it is faster paced than GoT.

Fantasy publishers and writers have caught on there are fans out there who love total immersion in detailed fictional worlds, who don’t mind reading thousands of pages for hours on end. I’m not one of them, I guess.

286 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:34:25am

re: #275 Gus

So. When does vinegar, baking soda, and an empty pop bottle become a WMD?

And why is an assault rifle with a 30-round magazine not a WMD?

287 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:34:59am

BREAKING: BAKERSFIELD MAN ARRESTED AFTER RELEASING 0.000000001 ML OF MERCURY IN GARAGE. HAZMAT TEAMS, FBI, SWAT TEAMS AND LOCAL PD AT SCENE. OFFICIALS SAY HE FACES 30 YEARS TO LIFE.

288 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:35:05am

Hmm… There’s another pie here today. Do I dare?

289 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:35:19am
re: #282 makeitstop

A revised version of the so-called Vitter Amendment, in this case requiring Congress members and executive department officials like President Obama — but not their staffs — to purchase insurance through the law’s

Fucking petulant little children. The idiocy of this amendment has reached a new low.

290 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:35:44am

re: #286 Sol Berdinowitz

And why is an assault rifle with a 30-round magazine not a WMD?

Hey man. Better an AR-15 than a lawn dart. Those things are dangerous.

291 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:35:55am

re: #275 Gus

From the time that Congress amended 18 USC 2332A and 18 USC 921 to include any kind of explosive device, and not just those devices that are commonly thought of as WMD - nuclear, biological, or chemical (NBC).

From Section 2332a:

(2) the term “weapon of mass destruction” means - (A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title; (B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors; (C) any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector (as those terms are defined in section 178 of this title); or (D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life; and

Subsection (2)(A) expands the definition to include explosive devices, and not just NBCs:

(4) The term “destructive device” means -
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas - (i) bomb, (ii) grenade, (iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces, (iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, (v) mine, or (vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;

(B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter; and

(C) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any destructive device described in subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled. The term “destructive device” shall not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device; surplus ordnance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684(2), 4685, or 4686 of title 10; or any other device which the Attorney General finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, is an antique, or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for sporting, recreational or cultural purposes.

292 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:36:25am

re: #290 Gus

Hey man. Better an AR-15 than a lawn dart. Those things are dangerous.

Cooking bacon nekked is even more dangerous. True story.

293 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:37:29am

New comments counter has stopped working here. I thought the thread had gone toes-up.

294 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:38:07am

DEVELOPING: NEGOTIATIONS UNDERWAY WITH MAN IN POSSESSION OF LAWN DARTS WITHIN A 5 MILE RADIUS OF LOS NINOS ELEMENTARY!

295 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:38:17am

re: #293 makeitstop

New comments counter has stopped working here. I thought the thread had gone toes-up.

Yeah was wondering if it was just me.

296 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:38:44am

House GOP characterizing their bill as an “enhanced” version of the Senate deal in the final stages of being worked out.

297 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:38:47am

re: #291 lawhawk

From the time that Congress amended 18 USC 2332A and 18 USC 921 to include any kind of explosive device, and not just those devices that are commonly thought of as WMD - nuclear, biological, or chemical (NBC).

From Section 2332a:

Subsection (2)(A) expands the definition to include explosive devices, and not just NBCs.

SPIT: Biological agent. //

298 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:39:12am

Back in the mid 80s, at Genentech when we were all in our 20s and 30s, there was one party that was intended from the first to be a food and water fight. Some of the guys in Research spent a lot of the week before developing weapons, like a CO2-powered water cannon, consisting of a 10L polypro carboy with water and dry ice. It was so powerful in testing that it shot water over a 2 story building.

It never got fired in anger, however, because as the inventors were bringing it down the stairs to deploy it, they discovered, very loudly and abruptly, that a polypropylene carboy is NOT a pressure vessel.

299 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:39:46am

I went to school with someone who’s eye was put out with a jart.

300 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:39:56am

See, this is what they really want, and this is their main cheerleader for impeaching Pres Obama. She is as despicable as any of her male cohorts who are using the House of Representatives to get this kind of BS done.

“It’s time for the president to be honest with the American people for a change. Defaulting on our national debt is an impeachable offense, and any attempt by President Obama to unilaterally raise the debt limit without Congress is also an impeachable offense. A default would also be a shameful lack of leadership, just as mindlessly increasing our debt without trying to rein in spending is a betrayal of our children and grandchildren who will be stuck with the bill.”

facebook.com

How much do I loathe this POS? Let me count the ways…

301 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:40:17am

re: #281 Dr. Matt

You know, I really hate being so cynical and bitter. (Really!)

But what I hate more, is that no matter how cynical I get, some asshole(s) will manage to surpass them.

302 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:40:54am

BREAKING: MAN ARRESTED IN POSSESSION OF WATER GUN CONTAINING THE CHEMICAL AGENT CHLORINE AND TRACE AMOUNTS OF FLUORIDE. FACES 28 YEARS IN PRISON AFTER A 3 YEAR TRIAL.

303 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:41:55am

re: #299 Amory Blaine

I went to school with someone who’s eye was put out with a jart.

BREAKING: FLORIDA MAN ARRESTED IN POSSESSION OF RUBBER BANDS, PAPER CLIPS, AND #2 PENCILS. FACES TERRORISM CHARGES.

304 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:42:28am

We used to make deadly weapons out of hair pins. SNAP! OUCH! Remember those?

305 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:42:39am

re: #301 Internet Tough Guy

You know, I really hate being so cynical and bitter. (Really!)

But what I hate more, is that no matter how cynical I get, some asshole(s) will manage to surpass them.

If cynicism didn’t exist, we wouldn’t have politicians.

306 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:43:23am

Auto update is not working for me. And I also don’t see a counter for new comments.

307 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:44:03am

re: #288 Amory Blaine

Hmm… There’s another pie here today. Do I dare?

lol

what were the consequences yesterday?

308 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:44:31am
309 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:45:39am

re: #294 Gus

DEVELOPING: NEGOTIATIONS UNDERWAY WITH MAN IN POSSESSION OF LAWN DARTS WITHIN A 5 MILE RADIUS OF LOS NINOS ELEMENTARY!

We have a Head Start program here with the greatest name ever: El Grito.

310 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:46:02am

re: #302 Gus

Suspect was with 2 young children in possession of dangerous latex balloons filled with the same substance. Investigators declined further comment.

311 Gus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:46:32am

re: #303 Gus

BREAKING: FLORIDA MAN ARRESTED IN POSSESSION OF RUBBER BANDS, PAPER CLIPS, AND #2 PENCILS. FACES TERRORISM CHARGES.

Each pencil missile carries a maximum of 10 years each. He had a 12 pack on him so he’s facing 120 years.

//

312 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:47:54am

re: #308 Targetpractice

The fact that Boehner doesn’t want Vitter amendment to become law is pretty good sign that new House bill is gesture to placate hard-liners

I have precisely zero faith in Boehner being able to do anything at this point. He’s abdicated the Speakership in every respect except vacating the office.

Which is fine with him, because he loves that office. To him, being a SINO (Speaker in name only) is a fair exchange.

313 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:49:01am

re: #307 wrenchwench

He he. I went to bed before she came home. Woke up at 9:30 pm and raved about how great the new kitchen blinds that she just put up today looked (which they do). Diversion successful, followed by a dash out the door.

314 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:50:19am

I’m thinking of taking her out for dinner tonight for her birthday so…

315 Teukka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:50:54am

re: #306 wheat-dogghazi

Auto update is not working for me. And I also don’t see a counter for new comments.

+1 for the above fault description from the other side of the pond.
Some hamsters gone AWOL?

316 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:51:23am

hmmm…

Man’s partially eaten body found in Detroit home

317 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:52:04am

re: #312 makeitstop

I have precisely zero faith in Boehner being able to do anything at this point. He’s abdicated the Speakership in every respect except vacating the office.

Which is fine with him, because he loves that office. To him, being a SINO (Speaker in name only) is a fair exchange.

The only way I can read the tweet is that this bill is a cynical last play by Boehner, knowing either the Senate will strip the Vitter language and send it back, where he’ll say “We fought the good fight” then pass the bill with mostly Dem votes or the bill will be tabled in the Senate in favor of their deal and he’ll have to pass that.

As noted above, the other option available to him is to pass this bill and then immediately have the GOP vote the House in recess til next week, which would pretty much ensure a default as the Senate will not accept the House bill as-is.

318 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:54:27am
Together, the five senators starkly showed off the increasing power of women — even those who are not on the relevant committees — as their numbers grow in the upper chamber. Of the 13 senators on a bipartisan committee who worked on the deal framework, about half were women, even though women make up only 20 percent of the Senate. Senator John McCain of Arizona joked at several points in their meetings, “The women are taking over.”

No, Senator, just fighting to take our share of the responsibility.

319 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:56:18am

I think the GOP are desperate to get that “medical device” clause in there just so they can go back their base and say they’ve managed to do SOMETHING to kind of, sort of, stop Obamacare.

As for the “leave town” tactic, I don’t think Obama will go for it. As I’ve said, if he capitulates, a terrible precedent has been set and this country will never be governed the same way again. As painful as it may be, Obama must hold his ground.

What I would do if I were him was the let the House leave, then address the nation during prime time, call the House on their shenanigans and also point out how stupid and one sided all the GOP “Deals” have been and why it would be a bad idea for me (the President that is) to agree to any of them.

When one side is getting everything and the other side is getting nothing, that’s not a compromise.

320 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:56:57am

re: #282 makeitstop

The latest House demands:

does this sound like a group of people about to accept the senate compromise and avoid default?

they want to cause the biggest crisis possible and stop the constitution from functioning

anything they “offer” is just meant as a way to delay solving the problem

321 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:57:47am

The House GOP talking points have been revealed, and like I said, the argument for this bill will be that it’s an “improved” version of the Senate deal, which should read as “TP-friendly.”

How the House GOP Plans to Sell Their Version Of the Senate Deal

322 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:57:49am
323 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:58:01am

re: #317 Targetpractice

I think the new GOP proposal is going to pass the house, because even milquetoast “moderates” like Charlie Dent are sounding like they are going to vote for it.

324 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:58:32am

Good Morning all!

HOw is it so far?

325 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:59:23am

Walmart and Xerox play blame game over EBT glitch that let people grab cartloads of “free” groceries

Over the weekend in Louisiana, some food stamp recipients realized that their EBT cards were suddenly showing up as having no limit, resulting in empty shelves and overflowing shopping carts as people tried to buy as much stuff as possible with their cards before the glitch was fixed. Now, Walmart and Xerox are playing the blame game over who’s at fault.

It all began on Saturday, when Walmart managers in two Louisiana towns called the police because customers were filling the stores and emptying the inventory because their EBT cards were not showing any credit limits.
“Some people had eight or 10 shopping carts full of groceries,” said the Police Chief of Springhill, LA. By the time he arrived at his local store at 7 p.m. on Saturday, he says there were hundreds of customers with overflowing carts waiting to check out.

The Chief says he told the manager he had the right to refuse service, but the manager claimed he’d been instructed by Walmart HQ to accept the limitless cards.

A few hours after he arrived on the scene, the glitch was fixed and limits were reinstated.

“When they heard the announcement, people just left their carts in place and walked out of the store,” recalls the Chief, who says that police were not needed to disperse the crowd of shoppers.

The big question is: Who’s going to pay for this? EBT money is paid by the state and uses money provided by federal subsidies. The state of Louisiana is most certainly not going to pay for all the stuff that should have been disallowed had the system been working properly on Saturday.

Technically these people did not violate the law, but their behavior was unethical and immoral.

But I also must fault Walmart HQ for being dumb enough to continue taking the cards after the problem was discovered. For that alone I think they should be the ones to eat the loss.

326 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:59:28am

re: #313 Amory Blaine

He he. I went to bed before she came home. Woke up at 9:30 pm and raved about how great the new kitchen blinds that she just put up today looked (which they do). Diversion successful, followed by a dash out the door.

I’m guessing she’s accustomed to your behavior. You’re one of those 12-year-olds in a xx-year-old body, right? She probably finds it amusing, when it’s not exasperating.

I’d say don’t push your luck with pie 2.

327 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:00:23am

re: #251 Targetpractice

The House bill will also include the language proposed last week to strip the Treasury of its ability to engage in “extraordinary measures” to prevent a default on the new date.

Shit.

328 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:01:54am

re: #323 Carlos Danger

I think the new GOP proposal is going to pass the house, because even milquetoast “moderates” like Charlie Dent are sounding like they are going to vote for it.

As I understand it, the response amongst the House GOP “conservative” (read: wingnut) branch was “tepid.” Which means this could end up being another “Plan B,” where Obama pushes it thinking he’s got a winner and instead watches the vote turn against him at the last minute.

329 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:03:21am

Any elimination of extraordinary-measures has no purpose other than to make it easier for the United States to default.

Stone dead on arrival. Fuck that and fuck them.

330 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:04:05am

re: #328 Targetpractice

As I understand it, the response amongst the House GOP “conservative” (read: wingnut) branch was “tepid.” Which means this could end up being another “Plan B,” where Obama Boehner pushes it thinking he’s got a winner and instead watches the vote turn against him at the last minute.

Apparently the pencil is now not wanting to cooperate.

331 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:04:22am

GOP talking points on how to deal with the Senate version, and what they’re looking to modify.

SS/DD.

Cutting through this crap, they’re looking to repeal the medical device tax (again), enacted the Vitter Amendment (again), income verification for exchange subsidies (again, and why is this an issue, except to cut the number of people who can get affordable health insurance through the exchanges) and they’re looking to prevent the Fed/Treasury Department from using extraordinary measures to delay defaults going forward - making it even tougher for the government to postpone a default if Congress can’t agree.

That latter point goes back to the central tenet of the TP/GOP strategy - turning events that should be catastrophic and forging consensus on a deal into items that are slash and burn attacks on government itself.

The GOP intends to call this making the Senate deal fairer to the American people.

*cough* bull shit.

It’s another attempt to undermine the ACA and push ahead with a defund/delay/destroy ACA agenda. And limit the Treasury’s ability to forestall a default because the TP/GOP can’t come to its senses and increases the chances of default the next time - a hard and fast deadline that the TP/GOP will hope to breach to extract and extort concessions.

332 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:06:28am
333 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:07:11am

re: #328 Targetpractice

As I understand it, the response amongst the House GOP “conservative” (read: wingnut) branch was “tepid.” Which means this could end up being another “Plan B,” where Obama pushes it thinking he’s got a winner and instead watches the vote turn against him at the last minute.

Then they’ll have to vote on the Senate bill. Tea partiers have seen this show before. Boehner’s probably screwed either way.

334 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:07:39am

re: #325 Eclectic Cyborg

Walmart and Xerox play blame game over EBT glitch that let people grab cartloads of “free” groceries

Technically these people did not violate the law, but their behavior was unethical and immoral.

But I also must fault Walmart HQ for being dumb enough to continue taking the cards after the problem was discovered. For that alone I think they should be the ones to eat the loss.

Wingnuts are all screechy about TEH POORZ WHO STOLE A WHOLE BUNCH OF FOOD FROM WALMART!!!1!!!!1!!

Walmart can suck it up.

335 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:08:28am
336 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:09:16am

actually, i like the idea of making all congresspeople and the administration get rid of their fancy free healthcare

but the idea of making them get cheap, subsidized health insurance through the exchanges is kind of silly - for one thing, they make too much money to qualify - and for another thing, they would merely be exchanging one government subsidized health plan for another

however, this

The House GOP plan eliminates the special ObamaCare protections for labor unions in the emerging Senate agreement and replaces it with a two-year delay of ObamaCare’s “pacemaker tax”

merely says “we’ll consent to ease off a bit on fucking the country up if you punish working people and reward our rich buddies”

they are not acting like they are serious about avoiding default

337 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:09:17am

re: #332 lawhawk

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Sounds to me like we’re going to take a ride over Default Falls.

Thanks again, GOP.

338 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:10:17am

re: #335 Targetpractice

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Maybe if the TP caucus leaves, the remaining Reps can start acting like grownups. How many are required for a quorum?

339 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:11:11am
340 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:12:04am

Boehner & Cantor talking right now.
so much bullshit…

341 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:13:02am

re: #336 dog philosopher

actually, i like the idea of making all congresspeople and the administration get rid of their fancy free healthcare

but the idea of making them get cheap, subsidized health insurance through the exchanges is kind of silly - for one thing, they make too much money to qualify - and for another thing, they would merely be exchanging one government subsidized health plan for another

however, this

The House GOP plan eliminates the special ObamaCare protections for labor unions in the emerging Senate agreement and replaces it with a two-year delay of ObamaCare’s “pacemaker tax”

merely says “we’ll consent to ease off a bit on fucking the country up if you punish working people and reward our rich buddies”

they are not acting like they are serious about avoiding default

It’s framed as a subsidy, but really, it’s just another form of employer-provided healthcare. It’s an astonishing job of propaganda for this tobe labeled some kind of “subsidy” that is some special perq.

342 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:13:22am

talking point for the morning:
“Fairness For ALL!!”

343 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:13:34am

re: #334 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are all screechy about TEH POORZ WHO STOLE A WHOLE BUNCH OF FOOD FROM WALMART!!!1!!!!1!!

Walmart can suck it up.

This was in Louisiana. I GUARANTEE you there were some GOP voters that got in on that mess.

Come on mawmaw! We can stock up for the emergency shelter!

344 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:14:02am

If House leaders decide to pull a take-it or leave-it and allow the chamber to go into recess if it doesn’t get the Senate to agree, that’s extortion. Plain and simple abdication of their constitutionally mandated authority to set the budget and protect the full faith and credit of the government’s obligations.

This is all on the GOP. A shutdown is one thing - and that’s already causing harm to the GOP. A default would inflict a whole different world of pain, and it should be permanent on the GOP’s hold on power in Congress and at all levels of government, but it wont. Voters have a short attention span, and they’re still all too willing to hate Congress but like their own representatives, even when they’ve gone and thrown the government into a shutdown and the economy off a cliff.

345 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:14:06am

One optimistic way to look at House’s latest ploy:

Senate Talks Continue as House GOP Prepares Procedural Gift for Reid

Neither of those pieces are on the table in the Senate negotiations, but the move is still good news for procedural reasons. Measures that have pingponged between the House and Senate in different forms are only subject to at most one debate-limiting cloture vote, even when the Senate offers an amendment (or even with just a simple majority, depending on the structure of the House offer).

In other words, Reid and McConnell could thank House Republicans for being able to avoid entering the uncharted procedural waters of the new expedited process for proceeding to legislation.

346 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:14:16am

48 hours before the united states government has to start scrambling to figure out who gets paid and who doesn’t, and these children are still playing games

347 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:15:00am

re: #336 dog philosopher

The amazing thing about the Vitter Amendment is the eagerness which GOP representatives are willing to screw their own aides.

GOP Staffer on Vitter Amendment: “Congress Literally Threw Staff Under The Bus”

348 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:17:26am
349 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:18:06am

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

…

350 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:18:29am
351 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:18:52am

re: #346 dog philosopher

48 hours before the united states government has to start scrambling to figure out who gets paid and who doesn’t, and these children are still playing games

The only possible way for anyone to justify sending the bus over the cliff is if whatever they’re demanding is more important than the world economy.

Perhaps they felt that Obamacare being implemented was worse for the country than default, but now that’s not even what’s on the table, and it’s down to threatening the world economy so they can save face and not look like the dangerous idiots they are.

352 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:19:19am

re: #350 lawhawk

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*facepalm*

353 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:20:02am
354 blueraven  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:20:06am

Oh crap…Boehner doesn’t seem to have votes for the House proposal.

355 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:21:00am
356 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:21:16am

Oompa-loompa doompa de do, I haven’t a clue what I’m gonna do…

357 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:21:23am

re: #354 blueraven

Oh crap…Boehner doesn’t seem to have votes for the House proposal.

He’s lost functional control of the House.

358 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:21:31am

re: #339 lawhawk

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So Obvious.

359 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:21:50am

re: #354 blueraven

Oh crap…Boehner doesn’t seem to have votes for the House proposal.

[ winston zeddemore ]
That’s bad, isn’t it?
[/ winston zeddemore ]

360 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:21:54am
361 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:22:20am

WTF does this even mean?

362 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:23:01am

I bet Boehner’s gavel is hollow and has a screw top on the handle so he can use it like a flask.

363 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:23:35am

re: #326 wrenchwench

Have been together 20 years in 6 months. I hope she’s used to my crap!

364 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:23:36am

re: #362 b.d.

I bet Boehner’s gavel is hollow and has a screw top on the handle so he can use it like a flask.

I always figured it doubled as a slide whistle.

365 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:23:50am

re: #359 Eclectic Cyborg

[ winston zeddemore ]
That’s bad, isn’t it?
[/ winston zeddemore ]

What did you DO, Ray?!

366 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:24:16am

re: #325 Eclectic Cyborg

But I also must fault Walmart HQ for being dumb enough to continue taking the cards after the problem was discovered. For that alone I think they should be the ones to eat the loss.

QFT

367 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:24:29am

re: #362 b.d.

I bet Boehner’s gavel is hollow and has a screw top on the handle so he can use it like a flask.

Even better, it’s one of these.

368 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:24:29am
369 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:25:24am

Boehner: Plans? We don’t need a stinkin’ plan…

Obviously. Since when have any of their plans since their rebuffing a budget deal in July resulted in a positive development. They’ve shut down the government, threatened the credit of the nation, and threatening to send the economy - the global economy - into a mess that is totally avoidable by simply addressing a clean debt limit increase.

But the GOP simply can’t accept that they’ve lost this. Boehner lost control of the House the moment he sided with the TP over the majority of his own caucus and the majority of Americans who prefer to keep government operational and that we pay our obligations without defaulting and using extortion and threats to do what couldn’t be done at the ballot box, litigation, or legislatively.

370 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:25:31am

re: #359 Eclectic Cyborg

[ winston zeddemore ]
That’s bad, isn’t it?
[/ winston zeddemore ]

[ winston zeddemore ]
Tell him about the Twinkie.
[/ winston zeddemore ]

371 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:25:43am
372 brennant  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:26:26am

re: #359 Eclectic Cyborg

[ winston zeddemore ]
That’s bad, isn’t it?
[/ winston zeddemore ]

[JANINE]
It’s a sign, all right … “Going Out Of Business.”
[/JANINE]

373 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:26:53am

It’s coldish in my part of the world today.

Allergies, though, have not abated.

374 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:28:42am

OT- I was just able to log in and start my application for ACA here is Wisconsin…so far so good:)

375 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:29:04am

Schoolhouse Rock working on a new “How a Bill becomes Law” video:

Image: 1385461_10152312919588327_1076663207_n.jpg

376 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:29:12am

Is there anyone the GOP works for?

MS Governor opposes blanket pay raise for teachers

The Mississippi Association of Educators is pushing for a blanket pay raise for the state’s public school teachers, but Gov. Phil Bryant is holding firm in his opposition, saying he only wants to give pay raises based on merit.

Bryant reiterated his preference for raises based on test scores and teacher evaluations Monday, talking with reporters outside the Southern States Energy Board in Biloxi.

On Friday, Joyce Helmick, president of the Mississippi Association of Educators, said she believes lawmakers have enough money in 2014 to fully fund the state’s K-12 education budget and give teachers a raise if they choose.

“We are going full throttle for an education pay raise this year,” Helmick told a group of teachers attending a training session in Jackson.

Mississippi teachers made the second-lowest average salary in the nation in 2011-2012 at $41,646, according to a study by the National Education Association, which includes MAE.

Mississippi’s average pay actually fell from the year earlier, when it was $41,975. Causes for that decrease could have included retirements and departures of more senior, higher-paid teachers, or cuts to local district supplements.

I really hate my state government sometimes.

377 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:29:23am

re: #371 Vicious Babushka


And pay reDONKULOUS taxes on it as income…

378 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:29:26am

re: #351 GeneJockey

The only possible way for anyone to justify sending the bus over the cliff is if whatever they’re demanding is more important than the world economy.

Perhaps they felt that Obamacare being implemented was worse for the country than default, but now that’s not even what’s on the table, and it’s down to threatening the world economy so they can save face and not look like the dangerous idiots they are.

i think the name of the game is We Can’t Get What We Want Through The Constitution So Let’s Break It

how soon before they declare that it’s obama’s fault that the government has stopped functioning and demand that they be given authority to administer martial law?

379 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:29:28am

re: #369 lawhawk

Boehner: Plans? We don’t need a stinkin’ plan…

Obviously. Since when have any of their plans since their rebuffing a budget deal in July resulted in a positive development. They’ve shut down the government, threatened the credit of the nation, and threatening to send the economy - the global economy - into a mess that is totally avoidable by simply addressing a clean debt limit increase.

But the GOP simply can’t accept that they’ve lost this. Boehner lost control of the House the moment he sided with the TP over the majority of his own caucus and the majority of Americans who prefer to keep government operational and that we pay our obligations without defaulting and using extortion and threats to do what couldn’t be done at the ballot box, litigation, or legislatively.

Apparently Boehner was hoping for one unified bill weeks back, hoping to roll two very painful votes into one very painful one that would be like pulling off the band-aid all at once. That if he had to cave, it would be in a way that he could say he “fought the good fight.” But now it seems all he’s done is ensure that no matter what happens, his ass is toast.

380 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:30:22am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

Schoolhouse Rock working on a new “How a Bill becomes Law” video:

Image: 1385461_10152312919588327_1076663207_n.jpg

No rhymes for “orange” either.

381 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:30:25am


The GOP is purposefully wrecking the US and global economy because they simply cannot stand to accept Obama or Obamacare. That’s this entire crisis distilled to its essence. They are willing to burn everything to the ground because they can’t get their way. And they have no plan B.

This is it.

382 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:30:58am

They may be using the countdown for political advantage, but an unknown player could come out of nowhere at the last minute and inject some crazy bullshit Cruz and Pals aren’t expecting. Reckless assholes.

383 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:31:37am

re: #379 Targetpractice

Hoping people think his leadership MO is “just misunderstood”? /// grrr this shit is sooo mind boggling in sheer stupidity…yes I’m feeling very Capitan Obvious today…:)

384 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:32:01am
385 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:32:28am

re: #381 lawhawk

The GOP is purposefully wrecking the US and global economy because they simply cannot stand to accept Obama or Obamacare. That’s this entire crisis distilled to its essence. They are willing to burn everything to the ground because they can’t get their way. And they have no plan B.

This is it.

I really hope the Administration has a backup plan. I think they do, because they’ve known for quite a while that this was a possibility.

It’s going to be very truly awful, but it will certainly be fascinating.

386 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:32:42am

re: #361 Vicious Babushka

WTF does this even mean?

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It means: If you don’t have more than a billion dollars, roll over and play dead because freedom is only deserved by the 1%.

387 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:33:31am


Tweaked, which should be read as “Last minute stuffing of turkey to win over missing votes.”

388 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:33:48am

re: #379 Targetpractice

But here’s the thing. He’s toast, but there’s no one else who could take over at Speaker who’d be any better. The GOP caucus is divided between the insane clown TP wing, the slightly less insane socon wing, and the “we’ll vote with the caucus regardless of how insane it is, because we’re GOPers” wing.

No one else was able to unseat Boehner at the start of this session, and there’s no one who’s going to get sufficient votes to take him in the next one either since the dynamics aren’t any different.

Only way Boehner isn’t speaker? The Democrats retake the House, and restore some semblance of order. Though, I do recall that Pelosi also had problems trying to keep the caucus in order as well though it wasn’t nearly as destructive as that which Boehner is overseeing.

389 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:35:27am

Oh good fucking lord…

390 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:35:30am

re: #387 Targetpractice

391 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:35:57am

Marsha Blackburn on MSNBC right now, totally losing it…

392 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:36:20am

re: #369 lawhawk

Boehner: Plans? We don’t need a stinkin’ plan…

BaldrickBoehner: Don’t worry, Mr Koch! I have a cunning plan to solve the problem.

393 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:36:35am

re: #390 lawhawk

It’s Gohmert economic theory.

394 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:37:07am

Good thing the GOP waited until the last minute to come up with this brilliant solution.

//

395 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:37:29am

The only thing that can save us now is John Boehner realizing he loses his Speakership regardless of what happens and decides to take the Tea Party with him by axing the Hastert Rule (assuming he doesn’t have to kneel before Eric Cantor to do so…).

I am so not looking forward to moving into my in-laws’ house after I lose my job.

396 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:38:10am

Yes folks, after three weeks of fucking hysterics over the ACA, dragging millions of federal employees through the mud, and bringing us to the brink of default again, the TPers look ready to settle for stripping themselves and the White House of employer-provided health care as a final act of spite.

This is just fucking sad.

397 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:38:11am

Nancy Pelosi speaking right now, says the House GOP doesn’t have the votes.

398 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:38:59am

re: #388 lawhawk

But here’s the thing. He’s toast, but there’s no one else who could take over at Speaker who’d be any better. The GOP caucus is divided between the insane clown TP wing, the slightly less insane socon wing, and the “we’ll vote with the caucus regardless of how insane it is, because we’re GOPers” wing.

We could conceivably end up with a functional joint-government in the European style, at least for the rest of the Congress.

Wouldn’t that be bizarre.

399 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:39:19am

re: #389 Targetpractice

Oh good fucking lord…

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So we’re screwed. Lovely.

Hang on tight folks. This is the end game of what started on Jan. 21, 2009.

On the one hand, I enjoy seeing GOP fracturing, they deserve such a mess. I just wish they didn’t have to fracture all of us along with them.

400 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:39:35am
401 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:40:20am

re: #395 Internet Tough Guy

The only thing that can save us now is John Boehner realizing he loses his Speakership regardless of what happens and decides to take the Tea Party with him by axing the Hastert Rule (assuming he doesn’t have to kneel before Eric Cantor to do so…).

I am so not looking forward to moving into my in-laws’ house after I lose my job.

That’s exactly what Boehner needs to say to the Tea Party caucus; “If I’m going down, I’m taking you with me, rest assured.”

402 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:40:38am

YOU are the ones pushing us into Default. OWN IT you fucker.

403 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:40:41am

re: #399 Eclectic Cyborg


schadenfreude…with a shit ton of masochism?

404 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:40:51am

re: #401 Dr Lizardo

That’s exactly what Boehner needs to say to the Tea Party caucus; “If I’m going down, I’m taking you with me, rest assured.”

I doubt he has the stones.

405 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:42:23am

re: #347 Carlos Danger

The amazing thing about the Vitter Amendment is the eagerness which GOP representatives are willing to screw their own aides.

GOP Staffer on Vitter Amendment: “Congress Literally Threw Staff Under The Bus”

As I understand it, the current proposal only applies to Congressmen and top Administrative officials and not their staff. The new House proposal is a desperate attempt by Boehner to come up with something that would get both 218 House GOP votes and pass the Senate, since its such weak tea. But I’m betting the Teahadis will reject it since it doesn’t delay Obamacare or cut spending. Boehner would then have to choose between waiving the Hastert Rule to pass the Senate bill, or allowing a GOP destroying debt default. The Republicans are their own worst enemies.

406 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:43:00am
407 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:43:15am

re: #404 Eclectic Cyborg

I doubt he has the stones.

Same here, unfortunately. If it were me, no problem.

408 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:43:55am

re: #347 Carlos Danger

The amazing thing about the Vitter Amendment is the eagerness which GOP representatives are willing to screw their own aides.

GOP Staffer on Vitter Amendment: “Congress Literally Threw Staff Under The Bus”

Yet another idiot who does not know the meaning of the word “literally.”

409 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:44:42am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reminds me of this

Youtube Video

410 blueraven  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:44:43am

re: #381 lawhawk

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The GOP is purposefully wrecking the US and global economy because they simply cannot stand to accept Obama or Obamacare. That’s this entire crisis distilled to its essence. They are willing to burn everything to the ground because they can’t get their way. And they have no plan B.

This is it.

BURN IT TO THE GOUND!! - TPGOP

411 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:45:23am

Instead of “leaving it for our children” he wants to take everything down RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

412 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:46:02am

Days like these, it’s a wonder I don’t drink.

413 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:46:40am

re: #405 aagcobb

And the Vitter amendment is not addressing a Congressional “exemption” from Obamacare. The Vitter Amendment is a pay cut for the sake of a pay cut.

It’s all a game to the GOP, and they’re willing to throw those who keep Congress actually operating despite the Members incapacity to do the job of governance under the bus.

414 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:47:51am

re: #378 dog philosopher

how soon before they declare that it’s obama’s fault that the government has stopped functioning and demand that they be given authority to administer martial law?

Nah, they’ll just rev up the Impeachment Bus. That’s starting to look like the real endgame here.

415 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:48:06am

Steve Stockman has no fucking idea HOW MUCH MORE will be added to the debt if there is a default.

He is a danger to himself and others.

416 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:48:51am

POTUS has changed his Twitter avi.

417 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:49:26am

They’re nihilists Donny.

418 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:50:25am

Fuck fuckity fuck fuck.

419 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:51:28am

Stockman and the rest think Obama created all $17t all by himself. Let’s just ignore that the deficit increased 3x under Reagan (with all the clean debt ceiling increases too). It doubled again under GWB. But nary a word from the so-called fiscal conservatives who are now braying about how Obama’s destroying the economy even as the GOP inspired shutdown is costing hundreds of millions of dollars a week, sapping the economy and the looming default would inflict a world of pain the likes of which we’ve never seen - and that includes the fiscal cliff, the great recession, or the two prior instances where the nation actually defaulted (War of 1812 when the Brits sacked DC, and then when Congress dithered past the deadline and the Treasury was left in the lurch for a couple of hours).

This situation has no parallel. It’s all self-inflicted by the GOP on everyone. And we’ll have no one to blame but the GOP for this.

420 Teukka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:51:53am

re: #417 Amory Blaine

They’re nihilists Donny.

Amory, the World Federation of Nihilists called: They want you to stop insulting them.

421 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:52:36am

re: #416 Vicious Babushka

POTUS has changed his Twitter avi.

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That’s nice, but I hope it’s not the sum total of Plan B.

422 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:53:10am

re: #420 Teukka

Amory, the World Federation of Nihilists called: They want you to stop insulting them.

The League of Extraordinary Nihlilists also demands a retraction.

423 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:54:17am

Once again, I CANNOT SCREAM LOUD ENOUGH.

Pages Post. Re: Ben Carson.

424 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:54:36am

re: #413 lawhawk

And the Vitter amendment is not addressing a Congressional “exemption” from Obamacare. The Vitter Amendment is a pay cut for the sake of a pay cut.

It’s all a game to the GOP, and they’re willing to throw those who keep Congress actually operating despite the Members incapacity to do the job of governance under the bus.

Its like a domestic violence situation. They lost and they know it, so in their impotent rage they are going to lash out and hurt the people closest to them. Losers.

425 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:54:37am

re: #422 Dr Lizardo

The League of Extraordinary Nihlilists also demands a retraction.

And Nihilists International is heading over to your house.

426 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:55:10am

So should we all run to the bank today?

427 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:55:50am

re: #223 William Barnett-Lewis

He is not a wise and good man who does not at all times prefer the public interest to his own.

A favorite quote from that book.

428 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:55:57am

re: #425 makeitstop

And Nihilists International is heading over to your house.

With a marmot, pray tell?

429 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:56:20am

It’s Indigenous People’s Day!

430 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:56:50am

re: #428 Dr Lizardo

With a marmot, pray tell?

Two marmots. Desperate times, etc…

431 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:56:51am

re: #426 Amory Blaine

So should we all run to the bank today?

NOOOOOOOOOOONONONONONONONONONONONONONOOO!

NO!

432 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:56:52am

re: #426 Amory Blaine

In all seriousness, shit will get real early next week.

433 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:56:54am

re: #420 Teukka

re: #422 Dr Lizardo

re: #425 makeitstop

Well I hope the douchebag union is cool because that’s my next designation.

434 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:57:03am

OWN IT YOU FUCKSTICK. OWN IT.

435 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:57:05am

re: #426 Amory Blaine

So should we all run to the bank today?

I wouldn’t worry; this is the final stage of the GOP implosion before Boehner throws in the towel and waives Hastert. I will be amazed if he allows a debt default.

436 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:57:16am

re: #426 Amory Blaine

So should we all run to the bank today?

They can have my $165 left out of my SS check if the assholes will stop this childish bullshit.

437 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:58:18am

looks kinda like a beaver.

438 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:58:55am

re: #435 aagcobb

I wouldn’t worry; this is the final stage of the GOP implosion before Boehner throws in the towel and waives Hastert. I will be amazed if he allows a debt default.

This is Boehner’s and the Rs’ version of “chicken” and they’ve already lost, so they wants the country to pay for it.

439 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:59:05am

re: #430 makeitstop

Two marmots. Desperate times, etc…

LOL

I’ll have to fill the tub, find a roach and put on some whalesong then.

440 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:59:47am

re: #435 aagcobb

I wouldn’t worry; this is the final stage of the GOP implosion before Boehner throws in the towel and waives Hastert. I will be amazed if he allows a debt default.

The markets seem to be wavering 50/50 on whether that happens. Treading water until they see which way the foul winds blow from the House GOP.

Right now, it’s not looking good. The GOP can’t even muster enough GOP votes for the proposal it laid out this morning that is already batcrap insane and wouldn’t pass the Senate.

441 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:01:11am

re: #229 Sol Berdinowitz

Free markets are a means to an end, a mechanism to help balance supply and demand and direct flows of capital to where they do the most benefit.

it becomes dangerious as an end unto itself, as we have seen.

Greed is a force of nature, and like any other force of nature, it needs to be contained. Flowing water can irrigate fields or generate electricity if properly channelized.

If not, it can drown people and lay waste to entire cities.

This is why I call capitalism a tool. It has no direction. It has no ethical qualities. It does only what the operators direct it to do.

Currently too many of the operators haven’t the sense God gave a goose, so the tool is doing more harm than good.

442 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:01:43am

re: #429 FemNaziBitch

It’s Indigenous People’s Day!

I think that was yesterday.

443 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:02:19am

re: #435 aagcobb

I wouldn’t worry; this is the final stage of the GOP implosion before Boehner throws in the towel and waives Hastert. I will be amazed if he allows a debt default.

That would be a precedent I could live with.

444 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:03:05am

re: #438 Justanotherhuman

This is Boehner’s and the Rs’ version of “chicken” and they’ve already lost, so they wants the country to pay for it.

They have already hurt themselves badly so far; allowing a debt default would be catastrophic for the GOP, and Boehner knows it. Even if it costs him his speakership, I do not believe in the end he will allow a debt default. His final attempt to mollify the Teahadis has failed, just as his final proposal on the fiscal cliff failed last December. Now, like last December, he has no choice but to waive Hastert and allow the vote.

445 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:03:14am

Speaking of shitbags…

446 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:03:22am

re: #443 Amory Blaine

That would be a precedent I could live with.

But it’s still not a president they can live with.

447 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:03:29am

re: #408 Vicious Babushka

Yet another idiot who does not know the meaning of the word “literally.”

Have you checked on them lately? Maybe he did use “literally” correctly. It seems that’s the direction things are headed.
O_o

448 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:04:26am


Ezra Klein thinks the GOP proposal that’s already DOA with the House GOP caucus, is actually reasonable. It is not. And whatever the GOP comes up with after that wont be any better. They’re still looking to gain something - anything really - as a takeaway from their #GOPshutdown of government.

That wont (or shouldn’t happen). And everyone knows it, except the GOP that continues to go this route.

449 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:04:49am

re: #235 wheat-dogghazi

I am braving reading A Game of Thrones. So far, I’m to the point where the kid Bran has discovered the queen and her brother making whoopee in bed, and the brother pushes the kid out the window, leaving him busted up and in a coma. It’s like reading one of those classic novels from the 19th century that spend hundreds of pages to move the plot forward three days.

I gather it doesn’t get much better from here.

Nope. This fake cover explains the whole series accurately.

450 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:05:33am

Hamsters having an early 3 martini lunch?

451 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:06:28am

re: #450 Amory Blaine

Hamsters having an early 3 martini lunch?

Apparently they were at the GOP House caucus meeting.
Open bar, you know…

452 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:06:57am

re: #448 lawhawk

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Ezra Klein thinks the GOP proposal that’s already DOA with the House GOP caucus, is actually reasonable. It is not. And whatever the GOP comes up with after that wont be any better. They’re still looking to gain something - anything really - as a takeaway from their #GOPshutdown of government.

That wont (or shouldn’t happen). And everyone knows it, except the GOP that continues to go this route.

I don’t think Boehner has any more rabbits to pull out of his hat. This is just like last December, when he proposed his “millionaires tax”, the teahadis rejected it, and he just threw up his hands and surrendered. Its his only option left now; any proposal which could get 218 GOP votes in the House would be DOA.

453 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:08:19am

re: #448 lawhawk

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Ezra Klein thinks the GOP proposal that’s already DOA with the House GOP caucus, is actually reasonable. It is not. And whatever the GOP comes up with after that wont be any better. They’re still looking to gain something - anything really - as a takeaway from their #GOPshutdown of government.

That wont (or shouldn’t happen). And everyone knows it, except the GOP that continues to go this route.

Ezra is a young David Broder. Ever wonder how folks like Broder end up being who they are? Watch the evolution of Ezra.

454 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:08:32am

So, hearing now on MSNBC that the House plan is DOA…in the house…

455 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:09:05am

re: #442 wrenchwench

I think that was yesterday.

ehhh!

456 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:09:44am
A 72-year-old San Francisco man was recovering Sunday after he spent 19 days lost in a remote canyon of Mendocino County, surviving on squirrels, lizards and berries, and wrapping himself in leaves and grass to stay warm.

[…]

That was nice of the lizards to help him out.

Oh. Wait.

457 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:09:51am
458 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:10:02am

re: #455 FemNaziBitch

ehhh!

Should be everyday.

459 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:10:09am

re: #435 aagcobb

I wouldn’t worry; this is the final stage of the GOP implosion before Boehner throws in the towel and waives Hastert. I will be amazed if he allows a debt default.

I wish I could believe that, but I have my doubts. The Tea Party still wants Obamacare destroyed, and to quote Robert Costa:

Senate conservatives, for their part, are also skeptical, and at least a handful of them are planning to complain to Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell this morning when Senate Republicans meet. Senators Lee, Cruz, and their allies aren’t expected to back it. “Things are still fluid,” explains a Senate Republican aide. “The initial buzz wasn’t great. It was seen as a really small step forward, like a free Coke and pack of crackers. Nice, but nothing to write home about.”

“The larger problem, particularly as we go forward for House members, is a free Coke and crackers aren’t going to cut it with Cruz, Heritage, FreedomWorks, and the Senate Conservatives Fund,” the aide adds. “They have been selling the idea they know the winning Powerball numbers and we are about to hit the jackpot. Expectations of what is achievable and what we can get out of this remain way out of whack … Keep in mind the activists are still calling offices pushing for the full defund of Obamacare. The message has not been relayed to the grassroots that the defund option isn’t going to happen no matter how long we hold our breath or how much we wish it would happen.”

460 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:10:29am

re: #449 Romantic Heretic

Nope. This fake cover explains the whole series accurately.

HA!

I’m on Book 5. The series gives a good idea what the world could be like if we let it.

461 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:11:26am

re: #457 Vicious Babushka

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Street Cars! I wish we could bring them back.

462 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:11:54am

re: #444 aagcobb

They have already hurt themselves badly so far; allowing a debt default would be catastrophic for the GOP, and Boehner knows it. Even if it costs him his speakership, I do not believe in the end he will allow a debt default. His final attempt to mollify the Teahadis has failed, just as his final proposal on the fiscal cliff failed last December. Now, like last December, he has no choice but to waive Hastert and allow the vote.

I think you’re right. I surely hope you are right, but it is rather anxiety producing nonetheless.

It reminds me of a book I read that pointed out having a couple people in your group who are unpredictable whackos can be advantageous, but if they go too far it’s not a help. In that case, it is not uncommon for “something” to happen to them by common consent.

463 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:11:59am

What? Civil war in Russia, too?

Azerbaijani suspect in Moscow riots murder detained

news.yahoo.com

Damn, the fascists and racists are everywhere…

464 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:12:12am

Chris Van Hollen: The GOP’s little rule change they hoped you wouldn’t notice

Youtube Video

Late in the evening on September 30, 2013, the House Rules Committee Republicans changed the Rules of the House so that the ONLY Member allowed to call up the Senate’s clean CR for a vote was Majority Leader Eric Cantor or his designee — all but guaranteeing the government would shut down a few hours later and would stay shut down. Previously, any Member would have had the right to bring the CR up for a vote. Democracy has been suspended in the House of Representatives.

465 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:13:09am

According to the NYT:
Republican Leaders Back Off New Plan

466 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:13:14am


We’re so proud of Pearce here in NM.

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467 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:13:16am

re: #448 lawhawk

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Ezra Klein thinks the GOP proposal that’s already DOA with the House GOP caucus, is actually reasonable. It is not. And whatever the GOP comes up with after that wont be any better. They’re still looking to gain something - anything really - as a takeaway from their #GOPshutdown of government.

That wont (or shouldn’t happen). And everyone knows it, except the GOP that continues to go this route.

Here I thought Ezra was smart.
/

468 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:13:30am

re: #464 Amory Blaine

1.8 Million views!

469 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:13:41am

re: #454 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

So, hearing now on MSNBC that the House plan is DOA…in the house…

CNN was a bit milder than that, but they both say its not getting traction. The non-crazy parts of the Republican Party don’t want to vote for yet another plan that only wastes time. That might see john Boehner facing two revolts at the same time. Were that to happen, he might well be finished as House Speaker (which would be for the best, IMO).

470 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:13:44am

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

Of course they do. They also wanted zero tax increases on the rich last January, but in the end Boehner bowed to reality. I’m confident he will bow to reality again; he’s not delusional like Gohmert, Bachmann et al. He knows what the likely consequences of debt default will be, not just for the economy but for the GOP.

471 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:13:57am

re: #461 FemNaziBitch

Street Cars! I wish we could bring them back.

HENRY FORD: Too late. I killed them all.

472 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:14:15am

re: #466 wrenchwench

A reminder to people that things like this can be undone. I do wonder how those staffers feel about their leaders right now.

473 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:14:30am

Today’s topic: Mikey Mouse

Yes, the way the House of Representatives operates.

What a freaking bunch of idiots. Reports seem to say what Boehner just spoke about is already dead before it was ever alive.

Can we have a new special election in early January only for representatives? Each and everyone will have to go through it no matter when you were elected.

474 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:14:39am

re: #463 Justanotherhuman

What? Civil war in Russia, too?

Azerbaijani suspect in Moscow riots murder detained

news.yahoo.com

Damn, the fascists and racists and misogynists are everywhere…

FTFY

On my eternal quest to include 1/2 of the population.

:0

475 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:15:05am

re: #471 Vicious Babushka

HENRY FORD: Too late. I killed them all.

Yeah, I know.

476 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:15:14am

re: #471 Vicious Babushka

HENRY FORD: Too late. I killed them all.

GM’s bus division did far more damage than even Henry could imagine.

477 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:15:40am

re: #476 William Barnett-Lewis

GM’s bus division did far more damage than even Henry could imagine.

There was an excellent Frontline on that in the 1990’s.

478 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:15:54am

re: #277 William Barnett-Lewis

War of the Roses anyone?

That’s what I compare the books to.

It will probably end up the same with all of the major dead or exiled and some minor character taking the whole pot.

479 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:16:19am

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

I wish I could believe that, but I have my doubts. The Tea Party still wants Obamacare destroyed, and to quote Robert Costa:

The Tea Party members are not the majority. If there are any sane Republicans left, they need to finally stand up to the little weasels.
I said it before, and I mean it. The Tea Party is not the GOP unless the Republicans allow this nonsense to continue. The TP loves throwing that RINO label around, but they are the RINOs.
Apparently, the GOP has given up any pretense that there are grownups in charge.

480 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:16:37am
481 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:17:16am

Apparently the latest ploy by Boehner failed because it couldn’t gain traction amongst the wingnuts and the “moderates” don’t want to waste time voting on another bill that won’t go anywhere.

482 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:17:47am

re: #475 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I know.

I’ve been here in Europe for so long that I’ve grown accustomed to public transit like trams. Here in Ostrava, it’s a combo of buses (and electric buses downtown) and tram lines.

Image: ostrava1.jpg

483 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:18:19am

motherjones.com

Well, this could be big, if only because Cruz wouldn’t be able to destroy the economy by himself just by delaying things this week.

484 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:19:10am

re: #444 aagcobb

They have already hurt themselves badly so far; allowing a debt default would be catastrophic for the GOP, and Boehner knows it. Even if it costs him his speakership, I do not believe in the end he will allow a debt default. His final attempt to mollify the Teahadis has failed, just as his final proposal on the fiscal cliff failed last December. Now, like last December, he has no choice but to waive Hastert and allow the vote.

The problem is, regardless of what Boehner does, we might still default. Recall the page posted yesterday that said Ted Cruz could do it all by himself if he wanted to.

485 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:19:35am

What a bunch of dicks. Disgraceful.

486 Mattand  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:19:44am

re: #470 aagcobb

Of course they do. They also wanted zero tax increases on the rich last January, but in the end Boehner bowed to reality. I’m confident he will bow to reality again; he’s not delusional like Gohmert, Bachmann et al. He knows what the likely consequences of debt default will be, not just for the economy but for the GOP..

Honestly, it’s irrelevant if Boehner’s delusional or not. He’s basically been hiding in a corner letting the delusional nut jobs run the show, and fuck over the US in the process.

He may know what the consequences are, but he’s placed his job security and party affiliation above what’s good for the country. He may not be delusional, but he’s been just as destructive.

487 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:19:55am

re: #463 Justanotherhuman

What? Civil war in Russia, too?

Azerbaijani suspect in Moscow riots murder detained

news.yahoo.com

Damn, the fascists and racists are everywhere…

I wonder if they actually got the right guy or if they just went for someone plausible. We’ve seen the latter happen in the USA more than once, and the Moscow police needed to prevent some sort of nasty incident during Eid al-Adha.

488 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:20:09am

re: #298 GeneJockey

Back in the mid 80s, at Genentech when we were all in our 20s and 30s, there was one party that was intended from the first to be a food and water fight. Some of the guys in Research spent a lot of the week before developing weapons, like a CO2-powered water cannon, consisting of a 10L polypro carboy with water and dry ice. It was so powerful in testing that it shot water over a 2 story building.

It never got fired in anger, however, because as the inventors were bringing it down the stairs to deploy it, they discovered, very loudly and abruptly, that a polypropylene carboy is NOT a pressure vessel.

You’d think with all the fun that had been had with large gunpowder weapons in the past they might have been a bit more careful.

But, on the other hand, not many scientists know a lot of military history.

489 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:21:23am

re: #483 Ian G.

motherjones.com

Well, this could be big, if only because Cruz wouldn’t be able to destroy the economy by himself just by delaying things this week.

This is why I am not particularly bothered by the GOP proposal to prohibit extraordinary measure by the Treasury to stay default once the debt limit is hit; all that does is let everyone posture a little longer before they do what has to be done.

490 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:21:25am

re: #480 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

RETWEETED for Truth!

491 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:22:33am

re: #482 Dr Lizardo

I’ve been here in Europe for so long that I’ve grown accustomed to public transit like trams. Here in Ostrava, it’s a combo of buses (and electric buses downtown) and tram lines.

Image: ostrava1.jpg

That’s one of the few good things American bombing in WWII gave Europe - it was faster & easier to repair rail than roads so good rail rebounded and with shorter distances to go stayed with rail.

492 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:22:39am
493 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:22:50am

No clients this week either…

494 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:23:12am

Fox News, last night, was once again highlighting current conflicts in the world in which Muslims were killing Christians.

Whacko’s want a Holy War.

Fox News, Fanning the Flames since 2001.

495 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:23:39am

Youtube Video

496 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:23:45am

re: #486 Mattand

Honestly, it’s irrelevant if Boehner’s delusional or not. He’s basically been hiding in a corner letting the delusional nut jobs run the show, and fuck over the US in the process.

He may know what the consequences are, but he’s placed his job security and party affiliation above what’s good for the country. He may not be delusional, but he’s been just as destructive.

That is true. His strategy everytime we have one of these crises is to let the barbarians run wild until the last possible moment before he surrenders. I’d like to see him exert some leadership and bring some sanity back to the House, but everyone seems to think that would cost him the speakership.

497 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:23:55am

re: #479 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Tea Party members are not the majority. If there are any sane Republicans left, they need to finally stand up to the little weasels.
I said it before, and I mean it. The Tea Party is not the GOP unless the Republicans allow this nonsense to continue. The TP loves throwing that RINO label around, but they are the RINOs.
Apparently, the GOP has given up any pretense that there are grownups in charge.

I had a rather long post last night basically saying it seems the Tea Party is prepared not only to shut down government to get what they want, they are fully prepared to destroy the Republican Party doing it. Basically the party that created the Tea Party and co-opted them will end up paying the biggest price for letting them in.

Cruz does not care. He sees victory in all the rubble. And he will have Fox, Palin, and all the talking heads like Beck and Limbaugh saying this is a good thing.

498 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:24:32am

re: #491 William Barnett-Lewis

That’s one of the few good things American bombing in WWII gave Europe - it was faster & easier to repair rail than roads so good rail rebounded and with shorter distances to go stayed with rail.

That’s true.

Even rural villages here are served either by bus (ČSAD) or the national rail company. It’s sort of nice not needing to have a car. Saves money, too, as gasoline is in the $8.00 per gallon range around these parts.

499 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:25:10am

re: #493 Varek Raith

No clients this week either…

WE went thru the Storage Unit last weekend and pulled stuff to get rid of. Some of it was worth researching and possibly listing on e-bay. Hubby keeps asking me how my listings are going and I just roll my eyes and repeat: This is not a good week to list on ebay.

500 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:25:31am

re: #474 FemNaziBitch

FTFY

On my eternal quest to include 1/2 of the population.

:0

Oh, I just assume they are. Some years back, a person who had lived in the USSR told me that Russian men were pigs.

501 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:25:36am
502 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:26:25am

re: #501 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Sounded like a cry for help. “Please save us from ourselves!!”

503 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:26:47am
504 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:27:24am

re: #502 Targetpractice

Sounded like a cry for help. “Please save us from ourselves!!”

Please save us from ourselves, but let us take credit for it so we can say we won.

505 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:27:35am

?????

506 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:28:15am

Ending Obamacare helps this guy financially:

507 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:28:33am

I just got a robocall (which mentioned it was from Club for Growth’s Pat Toomey) claiming that Senators are going to deal away “medicare and social security”, so call AARP today!

Despicable.

508 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:28:46am

re: #492 darthstar

[Embedded content]

To quote Casey Stengel: ‘Can’t nobody here play this game?’

Fucking clown show.

509 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:28:52am

re: #500 Justanotherhuman

Oh, I just assume they are. Some years back, a person who had lived in the USSR told me that Russian men were pigs.

I used to assume that too, but I don’t count on it anymore.

If we have to list differences in regards to race, religion, then we must include gender.

Why? Because I’m worth it.

510 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:29:17am

re: #505 FemNaziBitch

We got ours, who cares if you never get yours. And they’re all in a much more secure fiscal position than those who rely on food stamps to make up for lack of money to cover basic needs.

511 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:29:58am

re: #505 FemNaziBitch

?????

My congresscritter is there (Thomas Massie).

512 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:30:22am

New comments counter fixed.
Magic.

513 blueraven  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:30:30am

re: #489 aagcobb

This is why I am not particularly bothered by the GOP proposal to prohibit extraordinary measure by the Treasury to stay default once the debt limit is hit; all that does is let everyone posture a little longer before they do what has to be done.

Bull…Congress should not be dictating how the Treasury conducts its business. Especially THIS congress.

514 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:31:06am

Keep this handy for when wingnuts tell you that the House’s latest proposal was “the same/better than the Senate’s”:

The House GOP Proposal Is Still Extortion

515 Mattand  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:31:14am

OT break for Charles and any other gee-tar players out there:

Anyone familiar with this app, and is it any good?

Capo v3

516 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:33:06am

re: #480 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

I retweeted this and it goes to my fb. Already got a response asking if only the GOP was responsible. How to respond?

517 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:34:46am

re: #516 FemNaziBitch

I retweeted this and it goes to my fb. Already got a response asking if only the GOP was responsible. How to respond?

Response:

Yes, only the GOP is responsible, and primarily a group of ideological fanatics than can be best compared to the Bolsheviks.

518 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:37:01am

OMG! Logic.

519 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:38:02am

It’s like a child threatening to jump out the window unless you give him pie.

520 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:38:12am

re: #516 FemNaziBitch

I retweeted this and it goes to my fb. Already got a response asking if only the GOP was responsible. How to respond?

Answer: Yes ONLY THE GOP is responsible. OWN IT.

521 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:39:24am

re: #470 aagcobb

Of course they do. They also wanted zero tax increases on the rich last January, but in the end Boehner bowed to reality. I’m confident he will bow to reality again; he’s not delusional like Gohmert, Bachmann et al. He knows what the likely consequences of debt default will be, not just for the economy but for the GOP.

I haven’t seen any evidence that Boehner cares about anyone other than Boehner.

522 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:39:26am

re: #520 Vicious Babushka

Answer: Yes ONLY THE GOP is responsible. OWN IT.

eh, this friend is on a Ayn Randian High. I’m hoping it will temper with time.

523 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:39:49am

re: #516 FemNaziBitch

I retweeted this and it goes to my fb. Already got a response asking if only the GOP was responsible. How to respond?

The Shutdown in 10 Infuriating Sentences.

524 Teukka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:40:03am

You probably wouldn’t believe me if I told you, so I’ll just leave this here. K?
Youtube Video

525 brennant  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:40:39am

re: #524 Teukka

RINO!

526 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:40:54am

re: #524 Teukka

You probably wouldn’t believe me if I told you, so I’ll just leave this here. K?
[Embedded content]

Will . not . watch

I am going to have a good day!

527 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:41:31am

re: #502 Targetpractice

Sounded like a cry for help. “Please save us from ourselves!!”

There’s additional footage that shows the cry for help:

Youtube Video

528 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:42:22am

re: #525 brennant

RINO!

I ALWAYS KNEW PAT ROBERTSON WAS A LIB!

529 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:43:31am
Sign outside Indiana shopping center shows Obama with Hitler mustache
rawstory.com

Stay classy, assholes

530 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:43:33am

re: #524 Teukka

You probably wouldn’t believe me if I told you, so I’ll just leave this here. K?
[Embedded content]

If Pat Robertson thinks you’ve gone too far………….

531 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:44:07am

Jen Rubin’s now trying to make excuses for Cucci’s poor showing in the polls and almost inevitable loss next month by suggesting that the fault lays in D.C., not because he’s batshit insane.

532 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:45:17am

Oh, lookie here:

Detroit CFO Suspended Over ‘Insensitive’ Trayvon Martin Reference

What a douchebag.

533 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:45:24am

HA!

534 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:45:45am

re: #531 Targetpractice

Jen Rubin’s now trying to make excuses for Cucci’s poor showing in the polls and almost inevitable loss next month by suggesting that the fault lays in D.C., not because he’s batshit insane.

Yeah it’s not that he’s a fringe nutbar who would criminalize consensual sex acts or that he tied his lot in with a bunch of extremists. He’s a fringe nut who cares only about being the standard bearer for the fringe nuts. If the GOP weren’t hell bent on purer than thou, they would be fine in this race even with the GOP brand being increasingly unpopular. Bolling would be beating McAuliffe.

535 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:49:12am

re: #529 Dr. Matt

Stay classy, assholes

LaRouche-ites in this case:

The sign’s owner said the images were a paid advertisement that wasn’t associated with any of the businesses at Cornerstone Plaza on U.S. 6 in Kendallville, about 20 miles north of Fort Wayne.

The sign also included another message linked to LaRouchePac, a political action committee formed by former presidential candidate Lyndon LaRouche, and third that seeks to restore the Glass-Steagall Act, a Depression-era law that limited activities between commercial banks and securities firms.

Supporters of LaRouche, who has promoted a number of conspiracy theories and was convicted in 1988 of mail fraud and tax code violations, have in the past circulated posters and flyers showing Obama with a mustache like the Nazi leader’s, and his PAC has called restoration of the Glass-Stegall legislation as “the indisputable first step to global economic recovery.”

I get the point trying to be made about Glass-Steagall, but to compare Obama to Hitler and urge his impeachment is not the way one gains support for one’s legislative policies. All it does is reveal the person flinging that insult as an ass.

536 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:50:43am

re: #535 Dark_Falcon

LaRouche-ites in this case:

I get the point trying to be made about Glass-Steagall, but to compare Obama to Hitler and urge his impeachment is not the way one gains support for one’s legislative policies. All it does is reveal the person flinging that insult as an ass.

Wait, a right-wing organization wants to restore Glass-Stagal? Did I read that right?

537 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:50:57am

re: #337 Skip Intro

Sounds to me like we’re going to take a ride over Default Falls.

Thanks again, GOP.

I’ll have to talk to Immigration Canada and see if my wife can get refugee status, or may immigrate on humanitarian grounds.

Sad, to see a great country commit suicide.

538 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:50:58am

re: #535 Dark_Falcon

LaRouche-ites in this case:

I get the point trying to be made about Glass-Steagall, but to compare Obama to Hitler and urge his impeachment is not the way one gains support for one’s legislative policies. All it does is reveal the person flinging that insult as an ass.

I didn’t even know the LaRouche-ites were still around. Been a long, long time since I’ve heard of them; the last time I encountered any would’ve been in the late 1980s at college.

539 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:51:08am

re: #532 AlexRogan

Oh, lookie here:

Detroit CFO Suspended Over ‘Insensitive’ Trayvon Martin Reference

What a douchebag.

The quote:

At a meeting about the city’s annual Angels’ Night anti-arson patrols planned for a three-day period around Halloween, Bonsall asked if he could “shoot someone in a hoodie,” according to Johnson’s letter sent this month.

There must be a better word for that than ‘insensitive’.

Cold?

Heartless?

Threatening?

Completely inappropriate to the point of fuck the paid administrative leave, you’re cleaning toilets for 6 months without pay?

540 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:52:06am

re: #533 Targetpractice

You and I have spoken about this before, TP, and there was a Page about this recently as well; I though we’d agreed not to use derivatives of ‘retard’ as pejoratives anymore. I know “tea-tards” sounds funny, but its really the same as “libtards”. Please don’t say things like that.

541 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:53:16am

re: #536 FemNaziBitch

Wait, a right-wing organization wants to restore Glass-Stagal? Did I read that right?

They’re both crazy left and crazy right. They aren’t associated with either party.

542 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:53:23am

re: #529 Dr. Matt

Stay classy, assholes

The sign has been taken down.

wane.com

543 Mike Lamb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:53:31am

re: #449 Romantic Heretic

Nope. This fake cover explains the whole series accurately.

I’ve read all the books. Book 2 was very good. Book 3, however, is where it’s at. It was one of the best books I’ve ever read (I also made it through the entire Wheel of Time series, which I started reading in about 1993). Definitely bogs down a bit in Book 4, picks up against in Book 5. Martin definitely lost a bit of control over the series and his editor clearly wasn’t strong enough to rein him in a bit. I’m just hoping that the HBO series will prompt him to write a bit faster.

The disregard for trying to make things pretty, while definitely wearing on occasion, is what makes the series compelling for me.

544 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:53:55am

re: #539 wrenchwench

The quote:

There must be a better word for that than ‘insensitive’.

Cold?

Heartless?

Threatening?

Completely inappropriate to the point of fuck the paid administrative leave, you’re cleaning toilets for 6 months without pay?

How about pathetic douchebag? Glad people think a dead kid is real fucking funny. I’m sure he’d be just all grins if his son, nephew, or grandson was killed how Treyvon was. I think we can all agree whether we think Zimmerman was guilty or not that Treyvon’s death was tragic and it says a lot about this shithead that he finds it funny.

545 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:54:20am

re: #540 Dark_Falcon

You and I have spoken about this before, TP, and there was a Page about this recently as well; I though we’d agreed not to use derivatives of ‘retard’ as pejoratives anymore. I know “tea-tards” sounds funny, but its really the same as “libtards”. Please don’t say things like that.

I did not say it, I posted a Tweet image with someone else putting it on a sign.

546 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:56:34am

re: #541 Dark_Falcon

They’re both crazy left and crazy right. They aren’t associated with either party.

Heh. They occupy their own unique place on the political spectrum.

547 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:56:35am

re: #544 HappyWarrior

How about pathetic douchebag? Glad people think a dead kid is real fucking funny. I’m sure he’d be just all grins if his son, nephew, or grandson was killed how Treyvon was. I think we can all agree whether we think Zimmerman was guilty or not that Treyvon’s death was tragic and it says a lot about this shithead that he finds it funny.

Quite concur. Shooting people dead is not a thing to joke about, a situation made worse by the fact that Trayvon Martin did not deserve to die.

548 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:57:29am

re: #545 Targetpractice

I did not say it, I posted a Tweet image with someone else putting it on a sign.

It appeared to me that you approved of it. If was in error in thinking so, then I apologize.

549 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:57:49am

re: #546 Dr Lizardo

Heh. They occupy their own unique place on the political spectrum.

Yep, there’s the LaRouchites and everyone else. I used to encounter them when I used to work on the Hill.

550 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:59:14am

re: #548 Dark_Falcon

It appeared to me that you approved of it. If was in error in thinking so, then I apologize.

I do approve of it, I’m just arguing the literalness of your outrage. I didn’t say it, someone else did.

551 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:59:31am

re: #549 HappyWarrior

Yep, there’s the LaRouchites and everyone else. I used to encounter them when I used to work on the Hill.

They’ve been around a long time. I remember a couple I knew in the early 70s who went over to the dark side with them. Very weird stuff.

Here’s another one who did:

Image: ku-medium.gif

552 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:00:23am

re: #540 Dark_Falcon

You and I have spoken about this before, TP, and there was a Page about this recently as well; I though we’d agreed not to use derivatives of ‘retard’ as pejoratives anymore. I know “tea-tards” sounds funny, but its really the same as “libtards”. Please don’t say things like that.

I don’t think 100% agreement is possible. 100% pushback upon occurrence is possible, if you want to do that, otherwise it’s a political campaign to get a bunch of lizards to help you put a stop to it.

I have mixed feelings about it myself.

553 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:03:38am

re: #551 Justanotherhuman

They’ve been around a long time. I remember a couple I knew in the early 70s who went over to the dark side with them. Very weird stuff.

Here’s another one who did:

Image: ku-medium.gif

They amuse me more than anything. Like it’s my understanding that they believe the British Royal Family is the biggest drug dealing cartel in the world. I just imagine the Queen diving face first into cocaine and reciting lines from Scarface.

554 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:08:36am

re: #461 FemNaziBitch

Street Cars! I wish we could bring them back.

Still have them here in Toronto. I like riding them.

My wife can’t use them. The stairs are too steep. But we have new ones arriving soon. They’re handicapped accessible.

555 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:19:54am

re: #554 Romantic Heretic

Still have them here in Toronto. I like riding them.

My wife can’t use them. The stairs are too steep. But we have new ones arriving soon. They’re handicapped accessible.

That last photo looks like some the of the next-generation trams that are coming on-line here in Ostrava.


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