The Birthers’ New Game

The nonsensical and easily disproven ravings of going after Newark Mayor Cory Booker for not living in Newark
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Dave Weigel notes how a new smear campaign launched from the right wing echo chamber has exploded across the usual media dumping grounds like Drudge and Fox News. The reports claim that Newark Mayor Cory Booker doesn’t live in Newark. In fact, they go on to claim that he’s never lived there and that his neighbors have never seen him around.

It’s a rather fanciful tale, but the warning flags about these claims should come up from the byline on down.

For starters, let’s look at who’s peddling this particular story. It’s Joel Gilbert, a director who’s best known for putting together birther conspiracy films about how President Obama isn’t an American citizen and should not be president. He’s now doing the same thing with Cory Booker (another African American politician at that). It’s meant to be disruptive, but it doesn’t take much to rebuff this kind of transparent smear job that’s worthy of James O’Keefe.

Substantively, these claims about Booker not living in Newark can’t pass the smell test. Booker’s presence in Newark is well documented on social media - especially Twitter. There are hundreds of messages relating to hyperlocal activities of Booker and his neighbors in Newark including helping out neighbors around the corner when the power went out during Hurricane Sandy. In particular, there’s this exchange.

Local media reports and national media outlets followed the reporting and provided photos and interviews with those who stayed over at Booker’s Newark home or came by to recharge phones, etc. It was widely reported. For instance, Huffington Post carried this story as part of the larger context of what people were doing to cope with the storm’s effects. Time had a similar report, indicating that 12 of his neighbors crashed at his place, getting food delivered and watching kid-friendly DVDs.

Now, we’ve got Steve Lonegan aligned right wing media outlets peddling a smear about how Booker isn’t a Newark residence. In fact, we’ve even got political operative Dick Morris pushing this nonsense and going beyond it to claim that he’s got a plan to deny Booker a seat in the Senate based on lack of residency.

Politicker indicated that Booker gave his neighbors free reign to use an entire floor, including kitchen and bathroom, complete with photos. That’s from November 2, 2012.

An easy Internet search disproves this nonsense, but that’s actually besides the point. Lonegan and the right wing are trying to delegitimize candidates in any way, shape, or form. Birther and conspiracy theories all fit into the strategy to undermine their political opponents. It makes it easier to attack their political achievements when claiming that they aren’t legitimate either. Putting this out there with less than 24 hours to go before the special election is meant to give Booker little time to counter the smear and take Booker off message.

It all comes at a time when Lonegan’s long-shot chance at winning is getting longer. Lonegan’s supposed closing rally in the polling is just that - supposed. He hasn’t come any closer than double digits in any polls, and a few are indicating that Booker has regained a significant and comfortable lead.

Part of the reason that the spread has grown is that Booker has rightfully called Lonegan and his fellow travelers as the extremists as they are. Lonegan didn’t help his cause any when he got Sarah Palin to stump for him. That only burnished his extremist credentials.

Lonegan’s attack ads also attempt to throw every conceivable buzz word at Booker, even calling him corrupt. It hasn’t worked, but it only shows that Lonegan is a one-trick pony who can gin up interest only by whipping right wingers into a frenzy.

While that can help rally the base, it wont peel off independents who are flocking to Booker and reinforces the fact that Lonegan is a tea party extremist who’s comfortable with shutting down government and threatening default in order to extort the kind of defund/delay/destroy Obamacare demands that his fellow travelers in the House and Senate are pushing.

Lonegan is all kinds of wrong for New Jersey, and wrong for the country. Tomorrow’s election should seal that fate.

Polls open in New Jersey’s special election tomorrow at 6 am through 8pm.

Cross Posted at A Blog For All

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129 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:46:58am

This is what a campaign that knows it can’t win on ideas does. So thanks for showing me everything I needed to you about you and your ideology, Mr. Lonegan.

2 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:47:19am

Lonegan is successfully running a Romney-level-competence campaign.

This is good news for John McCain!

3 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:47:55am

Tomorrow should be good for a laugh when the exit polls start coming in showing Booker with an insurmountable lead. The cries of impotent rage from the wingnuts will provide a nice seasoning for dinner.

4 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:48:57am

Cory Booker lies to voters, acts as NARAL’s puppet

More reasons for the Wackos to hate him.

5 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:50:32am

Sounds like the wingnuts are trying to poison the well ahead of a shellacking - leave their gullible adherents with an excuse to ignore losing big time when they put up a candidate with impeccable Teabagger credentials.

6 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:52:21am

re: #5 GeneJockey

Sounds like the wingnuts are trying to poison the well ahead of a shellacking - leave their gullible adherents with an excuse to ignore losing big time when they put up a candidate with impeccable Teabagger credentials.

It’s never the fault of conservatism…

7 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:52:34am

re: #5 GeneJockey

Sounds like the wingnuts are trying to poison the well ahead of a shellacking - leave their gullible adherents with an excuse to ignore losing big time when they put up a candidate with impeccable Teabagger credentials.

It’s all they have anymore, excuses upon excuses for why conservatism doesn’t fail, it can only be failed. Cue talks tomorrow about how Lonegan wasn’t the candidate they really wanted.

8 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:53:20am

re: #7 Targetpractice

It’s all they have anymore, excuses upon excuses for why conservatism doesn’t fail, it can only be failed. Cue talks tomorrow about how Lonegan wasn’t the candidate they really wanted.

Conservatism = G-d

G-d = Perfect

Get it?

9 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:54:42am

What are the latest polls? If Booker wins by anything less than double digits, I would consider that a non-victory. He better crush the doofus.

10 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:54:44am

re: #3 Targetpractice

Tomorrow should be good for a laugh when the exit polls start coming in showing Booker with an insurmountable lead. The cries of impotent rage from the wingnuts will provide a nice seasoning for dinner.

I wonder how those tears will taste if I mix them in with my 3-alarm chilli?

11 Flounder  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:55:13am

What are Booker’s odds at winning?

12 AntonSirius  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:55:24am

Hmm. Obama and Booker… can’t quite put my finger on what those two fine fellows have in common…

13 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:55:25am

re: #7 Targetpractice

It’s all they have anymore, excuses upon excuses for why conservatism doesn’t fail, it can only be failed. Cue talks tomorrow about how Lonegan wasn’t the candidate they really wanted.

That’s going to be the excuse when Cucci loses. I just know it or that “McAuliffe scared people into voting for him.”

14 AntonSirius  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:56:50am

re: #11 Flounder

What are Booker’s odds at winning?

Roughly the same as the odds of the Denver Broncos beating Ole Miss in a football game.

15 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:57:11am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

According to some, Democrats have interesting information for blackmail on every Republican. Makes you wonder about the morals of the GOP, it does.

16 Ace-o-aces  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:58:12am
In fact, we’ve even got political operative Dick Morris pushing this nonsense and going beyond it to claim that he’s got a plan to deny Booker a seat in the Senate based on lack of residency.

Does Dick Morris ever get tired of being wrong? I’m serious. After 20+ years of this shit, do you think he ever looks himself in the mirror and goes, “Jesus, I have no idea what the fuck I’m talking about! “

17 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:58:25am

bbl

18 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:58:48am
Now, we’ve got Steve Lonegan aligned right wing media outlets peddling a smear about how Booker isn’t a Newark residence. In fact, we’ve even got political operative Dick Morris pushing this nonsense and going beyond it to claim that he’s got a plan to deny Booker a seat in the Senate based on lack of residency.

The sheriff mayor is a ni*clang!*

That’s all they’ve got now.

19 Flounder  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:59:06am

Okay, I will play devil’s advocate. Why did Booker stop by his own house to drop off food?

Booker stopped by several times to provide DVDs, popcorn, candy and other supplies, Politicker reported.

Read more: newsfeed.time.com

Maybe because he doesn’t live there?

20 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:59:11am

re: #16 Ace-o-aces

Does Dick Morris ever get tired of being wrong? I’m serious. After 20+ years of this shit, do you think he ever looks himself in the mirror and goes, “Jesus, I have no idea what the fuck I’m talking about! “

No, he has to act like a jilted lover with a psychopathic grudge because Clinton fired his sorry ass. The guy’s pure delusion and hate.

21 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:59:13am

re: #6 calochortus

re: #7 Targetpractice

Of course. They all point to Reagan and say, “When we run as REAL Conservatives, we win!”, leaving aside their failure to win the Senate two times running when fate practically handed it to them, because they ran as “REAL Conservatives”.

22 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:59:35am

Hell, for all we know there might not even be a Newark!

23 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:59:52am

re: #16 Ace-o-aces

Does Dick Morris ever get tired of being wrong? I’m serious. After 20+ years of this shit, do you think he ever looks himself in the mirror and goes, “Jesus, I have no idea what the fuck I’m talking about! “

People keep paying him!

24 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:00:04am

Hey I thought Rand wants to CUT SPENDING.

25 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:00:07am

re: #19 Flounder

Okay, I will play devil’s advocate. Why did Booker stop by his own house to drop off food?

I call that “shopping”.

26 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:00:15am

I would love to interview Dick Morris; my first question would be, “Your political prognostications are consistently and spectacularly wrong. Could you explain why this is for our audience?”

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:00:23am

re: #19 Flounder

Okay, I will play devil’s advocate. Why did Booker stop by his own house to drop off food?

Maybe because he doesn’t live there?

It was an empty apartment in his house.
Also, he was out and about the city during the storm.

28 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:00:41am

re: #16 Ace-o-aces

Does Dick Morris ever get tired of being wrong? I’m serious. After 20+ years of this shit, do you think he ever looks himself in the mirror and goes, “Jesus, I have no idea what the fuck I’m talking about! “

So when the alien invasion happens, I wonder if he ends up just like his screen version did in Mars Attacks

29 kirkspencer  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:01:35am

re: #16 Ace-o-aces

Does Dick Morris ever get tired of being wrong? I’m serious. After 20+ years of this shit, do you think he ever looks himself in the mirror and goes, “Jesus, I have no idea what the fuck I’m talking about! “

Dick Morris is not always wrong as sometimes the Republican candidate does win.

He has yet to find a good cream for the butt-hurt he got when Clinton fired him.

30 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:01:38am
31 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:02:05am

re: #22 b.d.

Hell, for all we know there might not even be a Newark!

Hurhurhur he tweeted to a stripper so he lives in Newtwerk hurhurhur

32 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:02:05am

re: #22 b.d.

Hell, for all we know there might not even be a Newark!

Newark might be America’s answer to Bielefeld, Germany!

en.wikipedia.org

33 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:02:34am

re: #21 GeneJockey

Of course. They all point to Reagan and say, “When we run as REAL Conservatives, we win!”, leaving aside their failure to win the Senate two times running when fate practically handed it to them, because they ran as “REAL Conservatives”.

Ronaldus Magnus did something that the GOP keeps forgetting to do time and time again: Offer something besides “I’m not the other guy.” When all you can do is run as being against everything the other guy is proposing, there’s no reason for voters to support you besides party loyalty.

34 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:02:56am

re: #21 GeneJockey

Of course. They all point to Reagan and say, “When we run as REAL Conservatives, we win!”, leaving aside their failure to win the Senate two times running when fate practically handed it to them, because they ran as “REAL Conservatives”.

It’s a preference for purity over success or relevance.

35 Flounder  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:04:22am

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

I didn’t read it was an empty apartment, just a different floor.

36 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:05:12am

re: #33 Targetpractice

Ronaldus Magnus did something that the GOP keeps forgetting to do time and time again: Offer something besides “I’m not the other guy.” When all you can do is run as being against everything the other guy is proposing, there’s no reason for voters to support you besides party loyalty.

Yes, but wingnuts know REAGAN!!1, as opposed to the real Ronald W. Reagan. As noted here before, if they knew the real Reagan they’d curse him as a RINO.

37 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:05:42am

re: #24 Vicious Babushka

Hey I thought Rand wants to CUT SPENDING.

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RP is like every other libertarian—warmongering, isolationist, money grubbing asshole.

38 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:05:52am

re: #35 Flounder

I didn’t read it was an empty apartment, just a different floor.

Uh, it’s right in Booker’s tweet. Spare apartment. Right at the top.

Unless he’s lying, or has an odd definition of ‘spare’, it was an empty apartment.

39 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:07:29am

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but wingnuts know REAGAN!!1, as opposed to the real Ronald W. Reagan. As noted here before, if they knew the real Reagan they’d curse him as a RINO.

They deal with Ronald Reagan by just making excuses for his actions or declaring that they didn’t really happen. The tax increases he agreed to? Totally Tip O’Neil’s fault. The shutdowns that have been highlighted in recent days? Again, O’Neil totally to blame, despite the most glaring one being over supplying aid to the Contras. Iran-Contra? Failure by his staff, he had no part in it.

Again and again, the argument is always that Reagan was a “true conservative,” with any evidence to the contrary subject to Stalinization.

40 Flounder  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:08:37am

re: #38 erik_t

I didn’t read his tweet, thankyou. I just read what other wrote about his house. One man’ extra “apartment” may be another’s second floor.

41 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:09:32am

Dear Steve: my granddaughter has Down Syndrome. She thinks you suck.

42 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:09:43am

re: #9 Dr. Matt

Two polls out today show at least a 10 point lead.

Democrat Cory Booker is leading Republican Steve Lonegan by 14 points — 54 to 40 percent — according to the Quinnipiac University poll of 1,696 voters, conducted from Thursday to Monday and released this morning.

That’s barely changed from a Quinnipiac poll released last week that showed Booker leading Lonegan by 12 points, 53 percent to 41 percent.

Rutgers Eagleton shows a wider lead. 58 to 36 - a 22 point lead reminiscent of the early days of the campaign.

At no time has Lonegan even sniffed below 10 points.

The question is how badly Booker beats him. I think the Eagleton Poll is closer to where we’ll end up due to Booker’s superior GOTV and state demographics.

I’ve noted this before, but if Booker holds on to only those people who voted for him in the primary and no one else (210k people), Lonegan would have to win over everyone else who voted, and that includes those who voted for Democrats like Oliver, Pallone, and Holt.

Not.Gonna.Happen.

Heck, even if Lonegan splits that vote 50/50, he still loses by a comfortable margin.

But Lonegan’s going to leave his mark with a smear campaign that potentially sets the stage for going after him again in 2016.

43 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:09:53am

Tea-Turds works better.

44 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:10:31am

re: #41 Vicious Babushka

Dear Steve: my granddaughter has Down Syndrome. She thinks you suck.

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Gotta love selective wingnut outrage. Hey Steve have you ever gotten on Limbaugh for likening feminists to Nazis or gotten on him when he’s called liberals actual retards.

45 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:10:53am

re: #43 Vicious Babushka

Tea-Turds.

I’m fine with that. It’s insults based on ‘retard’ that I object to.

46 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:10:55am

re: #41 Vicious Babushka

Dear Steve: my granddaughter has Down Syndrome. She thinks you suck.

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So Steve, where were you for the Confederate flag the other day?

47 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:11:13am

Official! Confirmed fact!

48 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:12:06am
49 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:13:05am

re: #19 Flounder

Those who showed up at Booker’s doorstep in the Upper Clinton Hill neighborhood were given free rein to use an entire floor, including a kitchen and a bathroom, according to the New York Observer’s Politicker blog. Alice Bell, a neighbor who took shelter in Booker’s home, told Politicker she helped inform other locals about the favor.

“I went around knocking on doors and said the mayor offered,” Bell said to Politicker. “Everybody, they were shocked, like, ‘Really, he said I could come?’ So, we felt kind of special.”

Bell said there was a “steady flow” of people going in and out of Booker’s home to take advantage of his hospitality. Booker stopped by several times to provide DVDs, popcorn, candy and other supplies, Politicker reported.

Read more: newsfeed.time.com

Politcker adds:

Though Ms. Bell said Mr. Booker allowed his guests to sleep at his house, she’s not sure the mayor got any rest himself.

“He’s still out running about, doing his thing, picking up prescriptions for medication for people, delivering Pampers, and he’s in and out constantly,” she said. “He came in for maybe-I don’t know if he slept or not. He was in and out.”

He was checking on people who he’d allowed to stay over, all while running all over the city checking on people and doing his job.

50 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:13:40am

re: #41 Vicious Babushka

Dear Steve: my granddaughter has Down Syndrome. She thinks you suck.

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Have him say the same to all the Teahadi’s talking about “lib-tards” too and then I might believe he gives a fuck.

51 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:13:46am

The teatards are ‘outraged’ over the “Tea-tard” sign but were COMPLETELY silent over Mark Kessler’s “libtard” video rants. Assholes.

52 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:15:03am

re: #50 William Barnett-Lewis

Have him say the same to all the Teahadi’s talking about “lib-tards” too and then I might believe he gives a fuck.

Seriously. It’s like when the wingnuts got all puffy at criticism of Palin and deemed ti sexist. Sorry motherfuckers but you’re the ones who used feminazi for years and you can’t handle us on the left criticize Precious Sarah’s qualifications and intellect?

53 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:16:02am

Y’all made me look.

54 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:16:25am

re: #51 Dr. Matt

The teatards are “outraged” over the ‘Tea-tard’ sign but were COMPLETELY silent over Mark Kessler’s libtard video rants. Assholes.

Not completely silent, going along with it. It’s kind of like when the aforementioend Palin got furious at Rahm Emanuel for using retard in private but defended Limbaugh for using it in public because “Rush is a clever satirist.” Honestly, I try not to use the word but i’m bothered more by selective outrage over it. I was bothered more by Sheriff Shithead’s showing complete disregard for the welfare of his liberal citizens than his immature chocie of words.

55 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:16:44am

re: #53 b.d.

Y’all made me look.

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Make me relevant again!

56 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:16:47am

I broke the seal on the pie box.

/shame

57 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:17:20am

re: #56 Amory Blaine

I broke the seal on the pie box.

/shame

Well I hope you brought enough for everyone!

//

58 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:18:00am

re: #56 Amory Blaine

I broke the seal on the pie box.

/shame

I blame the pie place for not having stronger seals.

59 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:18:08am

re: #35 Flounder

I didn’t read it was an empty apartment, just a different floor.

Booker’s tweet said “spare apartment on the first floor”.

60 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:18:56am
61 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:19:49am

Pretty impressive oar fish

62 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:19:54am

I caught a fellow science advocate using the epithet “creo-tard” to refer to creationists. I tore him a new one. Creo-turd, creo-liar, creo-fool, creo-dupe, creo-fraud are all fine, and factually accurate in some cases, but leave the attacks on the innocent to the other side.

63 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:20:09am

re: #57 Targetpractice

Well I hope you brought enough for everyone!

//

Youtube Video

64 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:20:11am

Cory Booker’s neighborhood on a map, including where his home is relative to Homestead, and current home on Longworth where he moved in 2013.

(Addresses the around the corner nature of the tweets and who stayed by his buildings, which are multi-family home with three units, one on each floor.)

65 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:20:58am

re: #64 lawhawk

Cory Booker’s neighborhood on a map, including where his home is relative to Homestead, and current home on Longworth where he moved in 2013.

(Addresses the around the corner nature of the tweets and who stayed by his buildings, which are multi-family home with three units, one on each floor.)

CAn’t trust google. They’re libtards.//

66 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:20:59am

re: #56 Amory Blaine

I broke the seal on the pie box.

*snickers*

67 Flounder  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:21:08am

re: #49 lawhawk

Thanks. I also appreciate something other than the debt ceiling. What else you got? Did you know Gabbrielle Giffords was up in my neck of the woods? Checking out the Saratoga Springs gun show with her husband and the AG. timesunion.com
I believe there is a video, but I won’t watch cuz it will make me cry.

68 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:21:38am
69 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:23:48am

re: #68 Kragar

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He deserves to get that reply every time he tweets.

70 I Am Kreniigh!  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:24:48am

Hello lizards… I stand on the edge of a precipice… I leave tomorrow on a trip to the place I am getting married on Thursday. Just the thing to distract me from the political shitstorm this week. Cheers all!

71 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:27:44am

re: #70 I Am Kreniigh!

I trust you aren’t planning on getting married in a national park?

72 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:27:48am
73 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:28:55am
74 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:29:01am

Manipulative fuckers.

75 I Am Kreniigh!  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:30:45am

re: #71 calochortus

I trust you aren’t planning on getting married in a national park?

Thankfully no. Private B&B near, but not in, Hocking Hills State Park, Ohio.

76 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:30:56am
77 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:31:30am

re: #74 darthstar

Manipulative fuckers.

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78 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:32:07am

re: #74 darthstar

Manipulative fuckers.

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That actually wouldn’t surprise me. I was talking to one of my former students on Skype; she now works in the financial industry in Prague, and as she said, a real sense of panic is setting in.

79 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:32:46am

Chaos Ensues As Conservatives Tank House GOP’s New Debt Plan

House Republican leaders scrambled Tuesday after conservatives criticized their new plan to avert default. Just two days away from the deadline, it quickly hit turbulence with lawmakers concerned about the lack of spending cuts and upfront debt reduction.

“There are sincere, deep thoughts of concern,” said Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC) as he exited a closed-door Republican conference meeting Tuesday, in which leaders pitched the proposal.

The proposal dramatically ratchets down GOP demands but tacks on additional reforms to the framework that Senate leaders are close to agreement on. Like the Senate plan, it reopens and funds the government through Jan. 15, lifts the debt ceiling through Feb. 7, establishes budget conference negotiations and requires that Obamacare exchange enrollees verify their income eligibility prior to receiving any subsidies.

80 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:33:22am

re: #70 I Am Kreniigh!

Hello lizards… I stand on the edge of a precipice… I leave tomorrow on a trip to the place I am getting married on Thursday. Just the thing to distract me from the political shitstorm this week. Cheers all!

Congratulations! I wish you many happy years together.

81 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:33:47am

Steve Stockman just retweeted this. Tea-Turd.

82 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:34:06am

re: #70 I Am Kreniigh!

Hello lizards… I stand on the edge of a precipice… I leave tomorrow on a trip to the place I am getting married on Thursday. Just the thing to distract me from the political shitstorm this week. Cheers all!

Congratulations, and all the best for the future.

83 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:34:56am

re: #76 darthstar

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Hail Ant Christ.

84 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:34:57am

re: #70 I Am Kreniigh!

Hello lizards… I stand on the edge of a precipice… I leave tomorrow on a trip to the place I am getting married on Thursday. Just the thing to distract me from the political shitstorm this week. Cheers all!

Congratulations and I wish you much happiness I Am Kreniigh!

85 Flounder  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:35:36am

re: #83 HappyWarrior

I, for one, welcome our new Ant Christ.

86 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:35:39am

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Hail Ant Christ.

Hail Ant Christ! Hail Stan!!

87 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:36:15am

re: #86 Dr Lizardo

Hail Ant Christ! Hail Stan!!

and Dog and the Holly Spirit.

88 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:36:17am

Sobering news story:

If We Hit the Debt Ceiling: Default Is Unlikely, Recession Is Certain

Default hysteria has heated up as the federal government shutdown spills into its second week and October’s debt deadline draws closer. The President, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew, and most Republicans agree that a debt default, not paying interest on federal debt, would be a calamity far worse than the Lehman crisis. PIMCO co-chief executive Mohamed El-Erian said as much earlier this month. But PIMCO’s other co-chief, Bill Gross, is buying treasuries. Why?

The answer is simple. There will be no default—on Treasuries, at least. But paying Treasuries after the X Date will mean less money for the rest of government, meaning a much weaker economy, which will further drive down interest rates lower and drive up the price of treasuries.

Reaching the debt ceiling, which we will do at least by the end of October, means no more new government borrowing until it is raised. But not borrowing does not mean defaulting on interest payments on government debt. Much like approaching your credit card limit has different consequences from missing a payment, hitting the debt ceiling is not synonymous with defaulting on debt. Households prioritize outlays as borrowing limits are reached, paying mortgages or rents and perhaps minimum credit card payments, while curtailing more discretionary spending such as eating out and going on vacation. The US treasury will have to prioritize too.

Hitting the debt ceiling means that government spending gets cut dramatically, by about 20 percent under current conditions. The CBO projects the federal government will spend $3,602 billion in fiscal year 2014, $560 billion of which will be financed by borrowing, and $237 billion of which will be spent on meeting interest obligations. Without new borrowing and while continuing as it is required to do (pay interest on its debt), the federal government will have $797 billion (20 percent of $3,602 billion) less available to spend on non-interest obligations. If mandatory spending remains unaffected, the cuts would force discretionary spending to drop by 48 percent.

89 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:36:17am

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

Steve Stockman just retweeted this. Tea-Turd.

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Doesn’t Chuck has some reverse mortgages to sell?

90 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:37:01am

Steve Stockman has Tweeted the “Tea Tards” sign like about 20 times. But he had nothing to say about the secesh flag.

91 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:37:40am

ANT CHRIST!

Sure, he can walk on water, but that is only because his brethren formed a living bridge for him to walk across.

92 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:37:59am

re: #90 Vicious Babushka

Steve Stockman has Tweeted the “Tea Tards” sign like about 20 times. But he had nothing to say about the secesh flag.

Priorities.

93 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:38:07am

re: #87 HappyWarrior

and Dog and the Holly Spirit.

lol

94 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:38:15am

re: #85 Flounder

I, for one, welcome our new Ant Christ.

I, for one, am happy to have a savior that can lift 20X his own body weight.

95 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:38:33am

Most perfect example of Turnspeak ever:

96 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:38:43am

Apparently someone has been fertilizing Reid’s testicular garden.

97 EmmaAnne  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:39:01am

re: #88 Targetpractice

Sobering news story:

If We Hit the Debt Ceiling: Default Is Unlikely, Recession Is Certain

My understanding has been that the treasury can’t decide what to pay or not pay. Whatever bills come in they pay in order until they run out of money. If this is the case, I see no basis for the confidence that we won’t default on treasury bonds in particular.

98 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:39:09am

re: #94 b.d.

I, for one, am happy to have a savior that can lift 20X his own body weight.

Yep Ant Christ would have pwned Pointus Pillate.

99 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:39:43am
100 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:41:06am

re: #97 EmmaAnne

My understanding has been that the treasury can’t decide what to pay or not pay. Whatever bills come in they pay in order until they run out of money. If this is the case, I see no basis for the confidence that we won’t default on treasury bonds in particular.

I think it’s really “Best Case Scenario” thinking, that if the Treasury can somehow managed to prioritize debt interest payments, the result will have to be a resulting 20% cut in government spending. And that’s cuts to every branch of government, not simply to those that the GOP hates the most. Such cuts would pretty much gut the military, as operating a carrier battlegroup is not cheap by any stretch of the imagination.

101 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:41:14am

We should just claim the ‘Tea-tard’ sign holder is a teabagger plant and then watch their tiny heads go ‘splody.

102 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:41:24am

I’ll be damned…I turned 100 in Karma over the last few days and I missed it.

103 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:42:10am

Can we make it abundantly clear that there is NO SUCH THING as bipartisanship in Washington right now?

104 Flounder  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:42:33am

re: #99 darthstar

I am taking the poll now…esquire.com

105 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:42:34am

re: #102 darthstar

I’ll be damned…I turned 100 in Karma over the last few days and I missed it.

We had cake and coffee to celebrate, but you weren’t around

106 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:44:43am

Even if a deal is reached it has damaged our standing in the world.

107 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:44:59am

re: #105 Dr. Matt

We had cake and coffee to celebrate, but you weren’t around

And Amory Blaine even brought a partial pie.

108 psddluva4evah  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:45:18am

re: #74 darthstar

109 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:50:02am

re: #104 Flounder

I am taking the poll now…esquire.com

Yup, I’m a ‘Bleeding Heart’ as well.

110 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:51:21am

re: #86 Dr Lizardo

Hail Ant Christ! Hail Stan!!

Say you love Satin!

111 chadu  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:52:06am

re: #109 Dr. Matt

Yup, I’m a ‘Bleeding Heart’ as well.

Me three.

112 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:52:13am

Hearing things about this and then listening to my mother describe Booker as a “rubber-stamp for Obama” (gee, I wonder where she got that phrasing) makes me really irritated with my mother.

Which is probably not the best plan, but argh. Critical thinking, mom. Critical thinking.

113 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:52:45am

re: #107 b.d.

And Amory Blaine even brought a partial pie.

*burp

114 Flounder  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:52:59am

re: #109 Dr. Matt

Whoa there pardner. I am solidly in the red. Don’t hold it against me ;)

115 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:54:14am

re: #106 Amory Blaine

Even if a deal is reached it has damaged our standing in the world.

Absolutely. At what point do we risk a further credit downgrade?

116 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:54:43am

re: #112 klys

Hearing things about this and then listening to my mother describe Booker as a “rubber-stamp for Obama” (gee, I wonder where she got that phrasing) makes me really irritated with my mother.

Which is probably not the best plan, but argh. Critical thinking, mom. Critical thinking.

That’s straight out of Lonegan’s radio ad.

117 Ming  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:57:39am

According to Wikipedia, “As of 2012, there had been 1,931 members of the United States Senate, but only six were African American.”

Cory Booker has a decent chance to be elected to the US Senate, in a special election, which is tomorrow!

No surprise the right-wing media is going after him.

118 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:57:50am

Bleeding heart. Shocker.

119 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:59:00am

re: #112 klys

“rubber stamp” for Obama is straight out of a Lonegan attack ad.

120 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:04:48am

RWNJs over on FreeRepublic (which I guess is redundant) are already going on how since the election is being held on a work day, it’s going to penalize the hard working conservative republican voters, and all the takers and welfare queens who don’t work will be bussed to the polls, and how the unions have all their phantom votes ready be be delivered.

So predictable…

RBS

121 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:04:56am

re: #119 lawhawk

“rubber stamp” for Obama is straight out of a Lonegan attack ad.

I know. I didn’t at the time or I would have called her on it but I realized afterwards.

I did verify that there is at least one sane person voting for Booker in the household (my sister’s response when I checked in was OH HELL NO).

122 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:09:13am

re: #121 klys

I did verify that there is at least one sane person voting for Booker in the household (my sister’s response when I checked in was OH HELL NO).

Have you asked your mother why she would ever dream of voting for a creep who employed someone like this?

123 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:10:41am

re: #120 RealityBasedSteve

RWNJs over on FreeRepublic (which I guess is redundant) are already going on how since the election is being held on a work day, it’s going to penalize the hard working conservative republican voters, and all the takers and welfare queens who don’t work will be bussed to the polls, and how the unions have all their phantom votes ready be be delivered.

So predictable…

RBS

Unlike most elections, which are held on weekends?

124 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:12:15am

re: #122 Interesting Times

Have you asked your mother why she would ever dream of voting for a creep who employed someone like this?

LONE WOLF!!! FALSE FLAG!!! LIBERAL/SOROS PLANT!!!!

125 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:18:59am

They would just outlaw voting on Sunday anyways.

126 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:28:49am

re: #124 GeneJockey

LONE WOLF!!! FALSE FLAG!!! LIBERAL/SOROS PLANT!!!!

With all the plants and sleeper agents and moles that Soros has out there, how exactly does that work. Are you like a Minion, or is it more of contract / freelance type deal? Is there a single department that handles it, or is it more subdivided among between the different divisions. If you’re a plant in a conservative type organization are you eligible for their 401k?

Inquiring minds want to know.

RBS
And how come the Koch brothers don’t seem to have plants?

127 leftynyc  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:42:18am

re: #120 RealityBasedSteve

RWNJs over on FreeRepublic (which I guess is redundant) are already going on how since the election is being held on a work day, it’s going to penalize the hard working conservative republican voters, and all the takers and welfare queens who don’t work will be bussed to the polls, and how the unions have all their phantom votes ready be be delivered.

So predictable…

RBS

Doesn’t that cover all election days? Assholes who know their candidate is going to get his ass kicked all over the Garden State tomorrow.

128 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:42:35am

re: #122 Interesting Times

Have you asked your mother why she would ever dream of voting for a creep who employed someone like this?

We in general don’t talk politics, plus my grandparents are in town through the election. She just mentioned the Senate race last time we did and it’s irritated me.

She was at least not keen on Lonegan either; I honestly have no idea which direction she’s going.

129 J A P  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 1:48:55pm

This is totally insane. When I was in a group exhibition in Newark, Booker showed up. That was before he was mayor. Last I heard, his father was living in Montclair, which is where I was living at the time. He grew up in Maplewood, if I’m not mistaken. This is all well known and well documented. Quite a bit was made of the fact that he intentionally moved to an area of Newark that was not considered good, even though he comes from a middle class family and could have gone on to work on Wall Street and made a lot of money, and people were talking about that years ago.

Well, Booker should be used to this. Sharpe James claimed that Booker was white during the Mayoral race. The movie Street Fight, which documents the race that Booker lost, is fascinating.

Is it a coincidence that the person who said Booker doesn’t live in Neward is named “James Sharp”? Maybe I need to get out my tinfoil hat.

In fact, that reminds me - there’s an entire movie showing Booker living in Newark!


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