Glenn Greenwald, Super Villain: “The More the US Threatens Me, the More Secrets I’ll Publish”

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The Kremlin propaganda organ Russia Today reports on the latest comic book super villain threats from the Mighty Glenn Greenwald.

“I intend to publish all the documents I have.The more threats I get from the US and UK, the harder I will work to publish this information,” said Greenwald, adding that the previous revelations on the NSA’s spying activities had fed the debate on internet privacy.

He told French radio that he was aware he is under constant surveillance and has taken measures to protect himself.

“I don’t use my phone to talk about important things. I know that my emails are being spied on so I use encrypted messages to communicate with my sources, colleagues and even my friends,” he said.

Remember when Greenwald was vehemently denying that he intended to harm the US, and said he was being very careful about which information he released? Well, that was yesterday. Now it’s, “I intend to publish all the documents I have,” to avenge his honor against these imaginary “threats.”

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137 comments
1 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:49:33am

Charles Johnson,

If any innocent Americans die because of what Greenwald is doing….

2 The Mountain That Blogs  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:49:58am

[dudebro] I’ll prove that the US is an all-powerful, Big Brother-style government that can stop anyone in the press from publishing anything that makes them look bad by publishing all this stuff that makes them look bad! [/dudebro]

3 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:50:24am

Isn’t he playing the same game the Rs are in the House?

For all he thinks he is (and they do, too), he’s an idiot.

4 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:50:25am

Personally, I have a hard time now remembering when this guy was relevant. When’s the last time you saw the media all running around with their hair alight over something the Guardian published with this jackoff’s byline?

5 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:51:03am

Did he say this from his secret volcano lair?

6 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:52:20am

Of course he’s under constant surveillance; he goes on the Guardian web site all the time.

7 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:52:33am

Has he published any Russian or Brazilian secrets? Of course not, those societies are models of open and benign government.

8 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:52:33am

I don’t see how Greenwald can possibly harm the U.S. any more than the House GOP.

9 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:53:59am

Don’t we have CIA agents specializing in making this kind of problem go away?

Oh right, government shutdown.

Thanks GOP.
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10 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:54:24am

Thank FSM GG isn’t working in the government.

11 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:55:15am

Teabaggers and dudebros curb stomping Uncle Sam.

12 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:55:45am

re: #11 Amory Blaine

Teabaggers and dudebros curb stomping Uncle Sam.

dudebaggers?

13 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:57:05am

WHAMMY!

Rangel battles CNN host: Republicans governing the ‘same way they fought as Confederates’

“This is all about a handful of people who got elected as Republicans that want to bring down our government,” Rangel explained. “You can see it in the streets, you can see where they’re coming from. And the same way they fought as Confederates, they want to bring down the government and reform it.”

“Whoa, whoa, whoa,” Banfield interrupted. “I’m only assuming you’re referring to the tea party members who are pretty intransigent on their views. Are you likening them to Confederates?”

“Well, I can tell you this, if you look at the states that they control, take a look at the Dixiecrats, see how they went over to Republican Party,” Rangel pointed out. “I’m telling you one thing, if the Republicans want to bring the government back, if the Republicans want to make certain that this country maintains its fiscal integrity, all they have to do is to accept the Senate [deal].”

14 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:57:24am

The more you tighten your rhetoric, Tarkin Greenbeck, the more dudebros will slip through your fingers.

15 Flounder  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:57:30am

Greenwald is also holding the USA for ransom, for One million dollars!

16 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:57:49am

The US has never “threatened” Greenwald in any way, of course. This is just naked self-promotion.

17 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:59:21am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

The US has never “threatened” Greenwald in any way, of course. This is just naked self-promotion.

But the kids love it.
/

18 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 10:59:52am
19 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:01:16am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

The US has never “threatened” Greenwald in any way, of course. This is just naked self-promotion.

Depends. Does making him pay taxes constitute a threat?

20 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:01:28am

Remember, this is a guy who didn’t know how to encrypt his emails until Snowjob taught him how. Now the org of which he is a “director” is taking over this “secure system” of transmission of material from anonymous sources.


Great. So now, it will just be “trust me”? Even though they are “anonymous” sources? Not in my world of skepticism.

21 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:02:24am

re: #20 Justanotherhuman

Remember, this is a guy who didn’t know how to encrypt his emails until Snowjob taught him how. Now the org of which he is a “director” is taking over this “secure system” of transmission of material from anonymous sources.

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Great. So now, it will just be “trust me”? Even though they are “anonymous” sources? Not in my world of skepticism.

I have an anonymous source that says Glenn likes to kick puppies for distance.

22 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:02:47am

Need a sanity break. Off to play more Skyrim.

23 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:02:54am

So Greenwald wants to destroy the US Government if the Republicans in the House fail?

24 Flounder  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:03:51am

And now for something completely different. I highly recommend Nexcare waterproof clear band aids. I have a cut on the palm of my hand, and a regular band-aid would just fall off. I would have to wear a latex glove to keep it in place (never mind the odd looks) These clear band aids better contour to my hand, and stick better.

25 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:04:38am

I wonder what kind of secrets might be found in the files of, say, the Brazilian Military Police, as they endeavour to clean things up in advance of the World Cup and the Olympics?
Hundreds of Brazilian military police raid slum in Rio de Janeiro
Rio Slum Is ‘Pacified’ in Advance of Games
Brazil Olympics Are An Excuse to Militarize the Police Force
UN Countries Recommend Abolition of Brazil’s Military Police

A report released in 2012 by the U.N. Council on Human Rights asked Brazil to make more of an effort to combat the activities of “death squads” in the country. According to the E.F.E. news agency, the U.N. also asked the Brazilian government to work toward the elimination of the Military Police, which is accused of numerous extrajudicial killings.

Greenwald, who lives in Brazil, could save on travel expenses by looking into this.

26 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:05:15am

re: #18 Charles Johnson


Because you’re so threatening.

27 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:09:06am

re: #26 wrenchwench

28 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:09:43am

Related to the streetcar discussion downstairs:

First rails installed in Cincinnati streetcar project

29 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:09:47am
30 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:11:25am

Remember when Greenwald was vehemently denying that he intended to harm the US, and said he was being very careful about which information he released? Well, that was yesterday. Now it’s, “I intend to publish all the documents I have,” to avenge his honor.

Sounds like what was his name? The one who kept threatening? Or no, the heroin addict?
Just another sunny day in Right Wing Paranoia!

31 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:12:21am

re: #24 Flounder

And now for something completely different. I highly recommend Nexcare waterproof clear band aids. I have a cut on the palm of my hand, and a regular band-aid would just fall off. I would have to wear a latex glove to keep it in place (never mind the odd looks) These clear band aids better contour to my hand, and stick better.

Is this related to the Esquire survey in which you turned out not to be one of the bleeding hearts? It’s your hand instead?

32 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:13:48am

re: #31 wrenchwench

Is this related to the Esquire survey in which you turned out not to be one of the bleeding hearts? It’s your hand instead?

A bleeding HAND liberal? So, what does that make the Teabaggers? Running sore Conservatives?

33 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:14:00am

re: #29 Targetpractice

TP/GOP math wizards strike again. They simply don’t interact with reality. They’d ignore the reality of a default while pursuing a wholly damaging policy that would have serious consequences across the entire economy.

Oh, and once again it doesn’t hurt to point out that the GOP is hypocritical and engaging in DARVO when talking about the National Parks - 3 of its candidates for president in 2012 called for the Interior Department to be abolished (NPS is part of the DoI), and the rest of the party has continued to call for cuts that would eat into the already overstretched agency that is backlogged with infastructure upkeep and maintenance issues due to low priority spending by the GOP.

But they blame the President for all this.

34 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:14:31am

Shut up Cartman.

35 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:14:54am

re: #29 Targetpractice

I won’t lie, results like that are what prompts the fantasy of saying “to hell with democracy” and instituting benevolent rule.

36 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:15:40am

Boehner’s Latest Shutdown Proposal Is Unconstitutional

Tuesday morning, House Republican leaders released a new plan to end the government shutdown and prevent America from defaulting on its debts if the Senate and President Obama agree to several policy demands. One of these demands would take away Members of Congress’ ability to receive an employer contribution to help pay for their health insurance, a benefit they — like all federal employees — currently enjoy.

There’s just one problem with this proposal, it’s unconstitutional unless it’s delayed for more than a year.

The Twenty-Seventh Amendment to the Constitution provides that “[n]o law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.” A law eliminating federal contributions to congressmembers’ health benefits is a law “varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives.” So it cannot take effect until after the next federal election in November 2014.

37 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:17:45am

I had to remove Steve Stockman from the DERP list and put him on the DERPTY DERP list, reserved for utter raving fucksticks who are too Derpy for the DERP list.

38 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:18:06am

The GOP’s little rule change they hoped you wouldn’t notice

Youtube Video

39 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:19:26am

re: #13 Kragar

But given that Mitch McConnell was one of the critical people in putting together the Senate deal, is Rangel calling him a ‘confederate’ too, or do Republican Senators who support the deal earn an exception from that designation?

Frankly, I find Rangel’s remarks to be hyperbolic schnookery.

40 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:19:40am

re: #32 GeneJockey

A bleeding HAND liberal? So, what does that make the Teabaggers? Running sore Conservatives?

In Flounder’s case, he said he’s ‘solidly in the red’, so I guess it’s all about the blood.

Teabaggers are kind of bloodless. And heartless. Plenty of spleen, though.

41 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:19:58am

re: #38 Kragar

I think everyone will be noticing it soon.

42 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:20:43am

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

It is really difficult at the moment to be hyperbolic about the damage your party is doing to this country in a reckless orgy of ignorance and petulance.

43 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:20:47am

re: #37 Vicious Babushka

I had to remove Steve Stockman from the DERP list and put him on the DERPTY DERP list, reserved for utter raving fucksticks who are too Derpy for the DERP list.

Does that difference have a practical effect?

44 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:20:54am

OH NOES!!!1!!! ANOTHER LIBRUL MAKING FUN OF TEH DOWNS PEOPLE!!!1!!!!! OUTRAGE OUTRAGE SEETHE SEETHE!!!1!!!!!

45 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:21:20am

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

This thread is going places.

46 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:21:24am

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Does that difference have a practical effect?

Yeah, I don’t have Derpty Derp on my Tweetdeck.

47 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:21:55am

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

But given that Mitch McConnell was one of the critical people in putting together the Senate deal, is Rangel calling him a ‘confederate’ too, or do Republican Senators who support the deal earn an exception from that designation?

Frankly, I find Rangel’s remarks to be hyperbolic schnookery.

Rangel said Tea Party.

48 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:22:08am

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

But given that Mitch McConnell was one of the critical people in putting together the Senate deal, is Rangel calling him a ‘confederate’ too, or do Republican Senators who support the deal earn an exception from that designation?

Frankly, I find Rangel’s remarks to be hyperbolic schnookery.

I think it’s pretty clear from the excerpt that Rangel was referring to the Tea Party House members (and possibly nutballs like Cruz in the Senate).

Since he makes clear reference to the fact that they need to sit down, shut up, and accept the Senate deal.

Honestly, there shouldn’t be any deal at all because of the precedent this sets - WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I’m going to do unmeasurable harm to the country unless you give me what I want - but at this point giving a token item is better than defaulting.

49 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:22:45am

re: #34 b.d.

Re-spect may au-thor-a-tay!

Youtube Video

50 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:23:11am

It’s hard to compartmentalize derp.

51 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:23:30am

re: #47 Kragar

Rangel said Tea Party.

So the real question is, Dark, at what point does the Tea Party represent a different party than the Republicans to you?

Read differently: when does the R next to their name stop mattering more than their actions?

52 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:24:00am

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

But given that Mitch McConnell was one of the critical people in putting together the Senate deal, is Rangel calling him a ‘confederate’ too, or do Republican Senators who support the deal earn an exception from that designation?

Frankly, I find Rangel’s remarks to be hyperbolic schnookery.

It’s right in the quotation:

“This is all about a handful of people who got elected as Republicans that want to bring down our government,” Rangel explained.

But which Republican(s) are fighting the insanity so hard that you would exempt them from criticism?

53 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:24:24am

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

But given that Mitch McConnell was one of the critical people in putting together the Senate deal, is Rangel calling him a ‘confederate’ too, or do Republican Senators who support the deal earn an exception from that designation?

Frankly, I find Rangel’s remarks to be hyperbolic schnookery.

No one - NO ONE - who belongs to your party has much room at all to accuse ANYONE of ‘hyperbolic schnookery.’

54 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:25:57am

re: #45 Internet Tough Guy

This thread is going places.

In Which DF Steps On His Dick…

55 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:27:23am

Sign outside Indiana shopping center shows Obama with Hitler mustache

A video billboard outside a northeast Indiana shopping center shows a picture of President Barack Obama wearing an Adolf Hitler mustache.

The billboard flashes the image at the start of a display that next flashes the words “Impeach” and “Obama.”

The sign’s owner said the images were a paid advertisement that wasn’t associated with any of the businesses at Cornerstone Plaza on U.S. 6 in Kendallville, about 20 miles north of Fort Wayne.

56 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:29:53am

re: #55 Amory Blaine

Umm that’s not just “outside a shopping center”. That’s the shopping center’s own sign with miscellaneous ads on it. I’m surprised management takes that sort of ad-I can’t imagine it would attract many people to shop there.

57 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:29:57am

re: #54 GeneJockey

In Which DF Steps On His Dick…

Sorry, DF, but that’s exactly what you did - you tried to score unwarranted rhetorical points on Rangel’s statement, and you got hammered for it. At this point a person of integrity might post that upon further reflection, your attack on Rangel was mistaken.

58 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:29:58am

Caterpillars.

Image: 807InVG.gif

59 b.d.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:30:38am

Having Wikileaks mad at you can’t help things Glenn, I’m sure they got the goods on you.

60 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:31:23am
61 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:31:40am

re: #48 klys

I think it’s pretty clear from the excerpt that Rangel was referring to the Tea Party House members (and possibly nutballs like Cruz in the Senate).

Since he makes clear reference to the fact that they need to sit down, shut up, and accept the Senate deal.

Honestly, there shouldn’t be any deal at all because of the precedent this sets - WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I’m going to do unmeasurable harm to the country unless you give me what I want - but at this point giving a token item is better than defaulting.

I must say I didn’t find Rangel’s remarks as clear as you did, but that might just be me.

As for the Senate deal: I support it and I hope the non-Tango Papa Republican members of the House refuse to vote for Boehner’s latest attempt to woo the loons. I’d hoped to avoid reaching this point, but now I’d have to say “Pass the Senate deal and then let the Tea Party revolt. If they flounce, then that’s what happens.”

62 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:31:43am

I get that it must suck to realize that the people you support in one way or another are either a) idiots or b) spineless and about to do immense harm to the government in what amounts to a temper tantrum because they can’t see any other way to enforce their will on the American people (since, shocker, elections have consequences).

At the same time, willful blindness or trying to play the victim card and accusing the other side of being out of line isn’t going to go over well, since the rest of us are staring at the fact that we’re ALL about to see some major impacts as a result of the temper tantrum.

Sorry, my slack for Republicans right now is really, really fucking short.

63 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:32:12am

re: #55 Amory Blaine

Sign outside Indiana shopping center shows Obama with Hitler mustache

Yup, implementing duly enacted legislation that uses private enterprise to cover as many Americans as possible with health insurance is the same thing as razing the Warsaw Ghetto.

I’ve long suspected (and this was true of the far-left types who compared Bush to Hitler too) that the people making the comparison don’t actually believe it. They just have this ridiculously inflated sense of self-importance that they style themselves as brave and principled as Claus von Stauffenberg, rather than the doofuses that they are.

64 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:32:58am
65 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:33:29am

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

I must say I didn’t find Rangel’s remarks as clear as you did, but that might just be me.

As for the Senate deal: I support it and I hope the non-Tango Papa Republican members of the House refuse to vote for Boehner’s latest attempt to woo the loons. I’d hoped to avoid reaching this point, but now I’d have to say “Pass the Senate deal and then let the Tea Party revolt. If they flounce, then that’s what happens.”

And you’ve been in contact with your party to let them know this?

66 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:33:37am

re: #54 GeneJockey

In Which DF Steps On His Dick…

Small feet.

67 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:34:18am

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

I must say I didn’t find Rangel’s remarks as clear as you did, but that might just be me.

As for the Senate deal: I support it and I hope the non-Tango Papa Republican members of the House refuse to vote for Boehner’s latest attempt to woo the loons. I’d hoped to avoid reaching this point, but now I’d have to say “Pass the Senate deal and then let the Tea Party revolt. If they flounce, then that’s what happens.”

He starts out referring to “a handful of people who got elected as Republicans.” When the interviewer asks for clarification, he states his assumption that Rangel was referring only to Tea Party members and Rangel doesn’t correct him. The excerpt ends with mentioning that they need to accept the Senate deal.

I can see where that might be less clear if you’re looking for a way to read it as an attack on your side, though.

68 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:34:23am

re: #64 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

But Ted Yoho told me that defaulting would calm the markets! You mean he was - *gasp* - completely full of shit?

69 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:34:48am

re: #55 Amory Blaine

Sign outside Indiana shopping center shows Obama with Hitler mustache

The sign has been taken down.

wane.com

70 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:35:31am

re: #68 GeneJockey

To be fair, if everyone is out of market, it would be very calm.

71 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:36:09am

re: #66 darthstar

Actually, my new pair of shoes are size 15. :)

72 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:36:18am

Because quoting a mafia boss is what you do.

House GOPer: We’re Gonna Make Them An Offer They Can’t Refuse

“We want to make a deal that they can’t refuse, and we’re running out of time,” Fleming said after a two-hour GOP conference meeting Tuesday morning. “Timing is very important here. They’re going to be more motivated to take this up. Otherwise, they miss the Thursday deadline.”

Fleming’s remarks came before the House GOP’s new plan appeared to dissolve amid conservative objections. He portrayed that initial proposal as the start of a new set of negotiations between the chambers, even with default only two days away.

“This is a first step toward really a whole new negotiation,” Fleming said. “The problem that we have, and this is really more tactics than anything, not ideological, is the more we lard down an offer, the more likely it’s going to be ignored, and we’re going to get something back that’s less.”

Previously, Fleming had downplayed the consequences of default in comments last month to Politico.

“I am,” Fleming said when asked if he’s willing to forgo raising the debt ceiling without a delay to Obamacare. “Technically, it’s not possible to default because there’s always enough revenue to cover the interest. If we defaulted it was because the president chose to default, not because we ran out of money.”

So its no big deal AND its crucial? Which is it?

73 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:36:52am

re: #65 calochortus

And you’ve been in contact with your party to let them know this?

The only Republican I have representing me in Congress is Sen. Mark Kirk and he’s already on board.

74 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:37:01am

re: #70 Internet Tough Guy

To be fair, if everyone is out of market, it would be very calm.

The Market is pining for the fjords.

75 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:37:06am

re: #70 Internet Tough Guy

To be fair, if everyone is out of market, it would be very calm.

Yeah, with the lights off and the brokers out rummaging through trashcans, there won’t be much activity inside.

76 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:37:20am

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

The only Republican i have representing me in Congress is Sen. Mark Kirk and he’s already on board.

You don’t have a congressional district?

Weird.

EDIT: I am literally the dumbest person on the internet (get well, Jim)

77 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:37:51am

re: #55 Amory Blaine

Sign outside Indiana shopping center shows Obama with Hitler mustache

I just saw a story on that recently. Man we should boycott that shopping center.

78 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:37:57am

re: #64 Charles Johnson

That’s messed up. Dominoes could start falling even before the deadline.

79 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:38:00am

re: #72 Kragar

Because quoting a mafia boss is what you do.

House GOPer: We’re Gonna Make Them An Offer They Can’t Refuse

So its no big deal AND its crucial? Which is it?

Whichever will let Congressman Fleming get reelected.

80 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:38:06am

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Actually, my new pair of shoes are size 15. :)

As Cowboy Curtis says, “You know what they say, Peewee - Big feet, big boots!”

81 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:38:53am

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

The sign has been taken down.

wane.com

I take that back about boycotting them.

82 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:39:35am

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Whichever will let Congressman Fleming get reelected.

That’s what principles are for, you know.

Being ignored in favor of what gets you re-elected.

Much better than doing the fucking right thing because it is the right thing, regardless of the consequences.

83 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:39:36am

re: #64 Charles Johnson

The damage is already happening from the default - damage that the GOP refuses to even recognize and attempts to minimize.

Note too that this morning’s DOA proposal by the GOP (Boehner and Cantor couldn’t even get the votes for it) was seeking to further handcuff the Treasury in dealing with the debt ceiling and using its powers to delay/forestall future defaults. Their “proposal” essentially wanted to create a situation where a hard default would occur and the Treasury could take no measures to delay it.

That was a negotiating position they took as of this morning - and that’s before getting into the substantive problems with their proposal.

84 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:39:46am

Pssst!

Anyone taken a look at the Dow in the last five minutes?

85 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:40:03am

re: #81 CriticalDragon1177

I take that back about boycotting them.

I’d have to drive 2000 miles to not shop there, so I won’t bother boycotting.

86 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:40:08am

re: #54 GeneJockey

In Which DF Steps On His Dick…

That is rude, and mean & uncalled for.

87 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:40:12am

re: #84 Skip Intro

Pssst!

Anyone taken a look at the Dow in the last five minutes?

No.

88 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:40:31am

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

The only Republican I have representing me in Congress is Sen. Mark Kirk and he’s already on board.

Why did he vote against cloture on a clean debt ceiling raise, then?

89 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:40:46am

re: #72 Kragar

They’ve been at it like this with the shutdown too. It doesn’t affect anyone, and the effects are dire. They want the cake, eat it too, and then blame Obama when they get a stomach ache.

90 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:41:06am

re: #82 klys

I’m just telling you how Congressmen normally act, I’m not saying I support it.

91 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:41:11am

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

The only Republican I have representing me in Congress is Sen. Mark Kirk and he’s already on board.

Still a good idea to let him know you think default is a bad option.

92 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:41:23am

re: #84 Skip Intro

Pssst!

Anyone taken a look at the Dow in the last five minutes?

I just tried clicking through from Bing to the chart…

and got an internal server error. Oy.

93 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:41:56am

re: #84 Skip Intro

Pssst!

Anyone taken a look at the Dow in the last five minutes?

Down 125

94 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:42:43am

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

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Mr. Duggar? THAT Mr. Duggar? Oh boy.

95 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:43:33am

re: #93 Kragar

Like the ups & downs even matter…

96 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:43:49am

re: #88 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Why did he vote against cloture on a clean debt ceiling raise, then?

Because that was a Democrat-written bill. The Senate GOP had to have some notable input in order to have the deal be peace instead of surrender and also to enable them to put credible pressure on the House.

97 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:44:01am

re: #62 klys

I get that it must suck to realize that the people you support in one way or another are either a) idiots or b) spineless and about to do immense harm to the government in what amounts to a temper tantrum because they can’t see any other way to enforce their will on the American people (since, shocker, elections have consequences).

At the same time, willful blindness or trying to play the victim card and accusing the other side of being out of line isn’t going to go over well, since the rest of us are staring at the fact that we’re ALL about to see some major impacts as a result of the temper tantrum.

Sorry, my slack for Republicans right now is really, really fucking short.

You and just about all of America.

This one has to go down in political history and will be studied for years. I’m no political scientist by an means, so anyone that might have those specialties, has there ever been such a power move made in this country in the face of these polling numbers and against many in your own party?
It just seems like nothing that would be recommended as a legit political move. I do not get it. And it seems like more down from here.

98 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:44:09am

re: #86 Dancing along the light of day

That is rude, and mean & uncalled for.

Thank you, Floral.

99 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:44:47am

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Because that was a Democrat-written bill. The Senate GOP had to have some notable input in order to have the deal be peace instead of surrender and also to enable them to put credible pressure on the House.

‘Credible’ anything is about out of reach at this point.

100 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:44:54am

The government does not have to miss a single payment for the debt ceiling to cause a catastrophe. Investor confidence will fall to the lowest levels in history as soon as the deadline passes. Indeed, it is already in freefall even with the possibility of a last minute deal.

101 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:44:58am

re: #93 Kragar

Down 125

Been treading water the last two days. I think people are seeing the writing on the wall, or maybe it’s just a blip.

102 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:45:16am

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

I’m just telling you how Congressmen normally act, I’m not saying I support it.

I’m just offering commentary on why Republican prattle about being the “party of principles” is bullshit.

You know who I admire? The Democrats who voted for the ACA even though they knew it might cost them their seats, because it was the right thing to do.

Granted, the consequences of them losing the seats has been pretty bad, but that’s more because the Republican party has utterly embraced the crazy and not wanted to acknowledge the consequences of elections, and not the fault of the people who voted to do the right thing.

103 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:45:21am

This situation does show some of the flaws in our system of government, the way a small group of people can totally hijack an entire chamber if they want to.

104 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:46:25am
105 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:46:41am

re: #103 Eclectic Cyborg

This situation does show some of the flaws in our system of government, the way a small group of people can totally hijack an entire chamber if they want to.

Not just that, but using mechanisms that were meant to force a deal - default and sequester - to achieve the very goals they want: slicing and dicing government spending regardless of the consequences because their end goal is slashing government spending and going after the President and Obamacare too.

106 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:46:44am

It’s affecting spending at our house. We’re considering a big ticket, but entirely discretionary purchase here. I’m not going to get estimates or do any further research until I know whether the market will crash, taking our discretionary income with it. Putting the whole default thing off 6 weeks will just mean I putting off the possible purchase as well.

107 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:47:01am

“I use to be filthy rich, now I live in a filthy ditch.” -Scrooge McDuck

108 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:47:04am

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Because that was a Democrat-written bill. The Senate GOP had to have some notable input in order to have the deal be peace instead of surrender and also to enable them to put credible pressure on the House.

“Notable input”, apparently, is to prevent something from coming to a vote.

Of course, that’s the only fucking input the GOP has been able to provide in the House, either.

What a pathetic party, and what pathetic defenses are made for it.

109 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:47:24am

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Because that was a Democrat-written bill. The Senate GOP had to have some notable input in order to have the deal be peace instead of surrender and also to enable them to put credible pressure on the House.

Then a Republican can write a clean debt ceiling increase. And CR. It’s not hard. They can even copy and paste the words and put their name on top. I’m sure no one will complain about plagiarism if it keeps the country from defaulting.

Oh, wait, you mean there need to be concessions in order for the GOP to do their jobs and stop having the temper tantrum? And you wonder why people call this extortion or hostage taking.

110 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:48:16am

re: #103 Eclectic Cyborg

This situation does show some of the flaws in our system of government, the way a small group of people can totally hijack an entire chamber if they want to.

I must confess amazement at the extent to which the merely Conservative Republicans allow themselves to be pushed around by 30-40 clearly bugfuck crazy morons.

111 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:48:37am
112 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:48:42am

If this debacle has taught us anything, its that conservatives are not compatible with a functioning democracy.

113 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:48:49am

The GOP wants to default so they can jump up and down and say ITZ OBAMAZ FAULT!!!1!!!!!!!!

Just read Steve Stockman’s Twitter feed. (Which I have stopped doing)

114 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:50:01am

sweet, wingnut tears…

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115 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:50:44am

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Because that was a Democrat-written bill. The Senate GOP had to have some notable input in order to have the deal be peace instead of surrender and also to enable them to put credible pressure on the House.

No, it doesn’t ‘have’ to have some input. It can just be a clean CR, which Kirk claimed he supported, which turned out to be (yet another) lie when he denied cloture on it.

These sort of whimpering quarter-measures from the supposed ‘moderates’ while they rant nonsensical shit about how Obama is scared of people experiencing Obamacare isn’t doing any good, Dark. If they want to act like rational adults, they can, but this sort of bullshit isn’t fooling anyone.

116 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:51:30am

re: #101 Skip Intro

Been treading water the last two days. I think people are seeing the writing on the wall, or maybe it’s just a blip.

The former student of mine now working in the financial sector Prague was trying to explain the “Yes, they really are crazy enough to unleash an economic apocalypse” Tea Party mentality to her co-workers and none of them believed her. The consensus was “No one is that crazy” at which point she tried to explain the more outlandish eschatological beliefs of fundamentalist Christians and again they dismissed it.

I think it’s because something like that is beyond people’s understanding here; they simply cannot imagine that anyone would think like that.

117 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:52:53am

re: #115 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No, it doesn’t ‘have’ to have some input. It can just be a clean CR, which Kirk claimed he supported, which turned out to be (yet another) lie when he denied cloture on it.

These sort of whimpering quarter-measures from the supposed ‘moderates’ while they rant nonsensical shit about how Obama is scared of people experiencing Obamacare isn’t doing any good, Dark. If they want to act like rational adults, they can, but this sort of bullshit isn’t fooling anyone.

The GOP dreads any solution they don’t have a hand in crafting. Even when it works in their favor or was their idea to begin with, if a Democrat runs with it, it becomes toxic to their base.

Just look at Romneycare.

118 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:53:23am

I wonder which Teahadi Congress-critters are stupid to be caught in Washington when the collapse comes? Yoho, certainly, probably Barton and our favorite, Gohmert. They aren’t all fools by any means, though: Rand Paul is probably already in his bunker in the Kentucky hills, while Boehner has reservations at some sunny resort in an undisclosed location.

120 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:56:57am

re: #119 Kragar

Gohmert Pushes Impeachment: Obama ‘Getting Close to a High Crime and Misdemeanor’

And these are the people we are supposed to take seriously.

121 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:57:35am

re: #120 klys

And these are the people we are supposed to take seriously.

Because everything they do IZ OBAMAZ FAULT!!!1111!!1!111111

122 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:57:40am

re: #116 Dr Lizardo

The former student of mine now working in the financial sector Prague was trying to explain the “Yes, they really are crazy enough to unleash an economic apocalypse” Tea Party mentality to her co-workers and none of them believed her. The consensus was “No one is that crazy” at which point she tried to explain the more outlandish eschatological beliefs of fundamentalist Christians and again they dismissed it.

I think it’s because something like that is beyond people’s understanding here; they simply cannot imagine that anyone would think like that.

The market has gone back to treading water again, although this time it’s at the -100 level. It will be interesting to see how things look an hour from now.

123 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:57:41am

re: #120 klys

And these are the people we are supposed to take seriously.

I take them seriously. They’re destroying this country.

124 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:57:52am

A bit of good news. NYC has gone miracle day - for the second time this year, the City went for an entire week without a homicide.

Cops said that 256 murders have taken place in the city in 2013, a sharp decrease from the 346 people that were killed during the same time period in 2012.

The change constitutes a 26 percent drop.

Of the 256 murders, more than half — 148 — were committed with firearms, cops said.

But overall, murders involving guns were down 28.8 percent compared to the same point last year where there were 208.

The numbers are staggering - both because they’re reaching all time lows (especially when computed on a per capita basis - per 100k people), but because the size of the NYPD has been declining and putting a greater focus on counter terrorism.

It’s also happening as the NYPD stop and frisk policy has been upended and may be coming to an end due to changes in the law and oversight of the NYPD.

Where can the rate go down further? By solving cold cases - the unsolved murders and violent crimes that are begging for closure but for the lack of resources to try and piece those cases together.

125 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:59:05am

re: #119 Kragar

Gohmert Pushes Impeachment: Obama ‘Getting Close to a High Crime and Misdemeanor’

So, let me get this straight - it’s only a default if you don’t pay interest, not if you fail to pay your other bills, like Social Security benefits, billings from contractors and Medicare providers, etc.?

Does he think that none of the rest of that shit matters?

126 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:59:18am

re: #124 lawhawk

That’s amazing for a city so large.

127 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 11:59:41am

re: #122 Skip Intro

The market has gone back to treading water again, although this time it’s at the -100 level. It will be interesting to see how things look an hour from now.

It’ll be interesting to see how things look tomorrow at this time if there’s still no meaningful breakthrough.

128 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:00:13pm

re: #119 Kragar

Gohmert Pushes Impeachment: Obama ‘Getting Close to a High Crime and Misdemeanor’

Impeachment has been the goal since before Obama was inaugurated the first time.

I hope he fails - Rush Limbaugh, four days before the inauguration.

This has been a long time in the making, and I’m willing to bet they do try to impeach him.

129 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:01:10pm

re: #123 Kragar

I take them seriously. They’re destroying this country.

True enough. I take them seriously in that regard.

I just don’t even know anymore. This isn’t rational. You have a minority in one chamber threatening to essentially nuke the global economy - right after we just started climbing out of the last recession which their party ALSO played a pretty significant role in - unless they get their way. And I’m supposed to be ok with this, and not call it extortion or hostage taking or terrorists because that might hurt the feelings of the people who support them, or some shit. And Democrats are bad because they’re not allowing Republicans sufficient input into a clean debt ceiling increase and CR.

130 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:02:47pm

re: #117 Kragar

The GOP dreads any solution they don’t have a hand in crafting. Even when it works in their favor or was their idea to begin with, if a Democrat runs with it, it becomes toxic to their base.

Just look at Romneycare.

DEMOCRAT GERMS ARE ON THE BILL!

131 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:04:32pm

re: #129 klys

True enough. I take them seriously in that regard.

I just don’t even know anymore. This isn’t rational. You have a minority in one chamber threatening to essentially nuke the global economy - right after we just started climbing out of the last recession which their party ALSO played a pretty significant role in - unless they get their way. And I’m supposed to be ok with this, and not call it extortion or hostage taking or terrorists because that might hurt the feelings of the people who support them, or some shit. And Democrats are bad because they’re not allowing Republicans sufficient input into a clean debt ceiling increase and CR.

Can’t these folks be brought up on charges of sedition?

132 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:05:06pm

OT: Thank you cold hearted health insurance company, for you have apparently decided a procedure to alleviate my wifes CHRONIC back pain and allow her to live considerably more comfortably is in fact NOT medically necessary and therefore refuse to foot the bill.

Screw you,
Signed One pissed off Husband

133 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:07:54pm

re: #132 Eclectic Cyborg

OT: Thank you cold hearted health insurance company, for you have apparently decided a procedure to alleviate my wifes CHRONIC back pain and allow her to live considerably more comfortably is in fact NOT medically necessary and therefore refuse to foot the bill.

Screw you,
Signed One pissed off Husband

Hey, at least it’s not a government-run death panel!

///

In all seriousness, that sucks so much and I wish there was something that could be done to change it. Any chance of an appeal or anything along those lines? Second opinion from a doctor?

134 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:10:41pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Party before country.

135 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:11:18pm

re: #128 Skip Intro

Impeachment has been the goal since before Obama was inaugurated the first time.

I hope he fails - Rush Limbaugh, four days before the inauguration.

This has been a long time in the making, and I’m willing to bet they do try to impeach him.

And if they even attempt it with the political numbers they have now, they can forget ever trying to get the middle ground in this nation. Anything they attempt to show people they are attempting to be more moderate and open to bring more people of color, etc. will be ignored.

Again, unprecedented in political history. A bending of everything we know about the political game. This has got to hurt them in the next two major elections in ‘14 and ‘16.

136 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 12:21:31pm

re: #134 Varek Raith

Party before country.

Patriotism

137 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:00:43pm

re: #24 Flounder

I bought a huge packet of them from Costco years ago and I totally agree with you. They are the best.


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