Why Are House Republicans Driving the US Toward Default? Birth Control.

Yes, they really are this insane
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You probably already know that House Republicans messed around all day and then couldn’t agree on anything enough to call a vote, so we’re one day closer to a default on the US debt. But did you know one of the main sticking points for the Tea Party fanatics driving this crazy train is… birth control?

Conservative House members expressed a desire Tuesday to fund the government only until Dec. 15 in order to force a fight over ObamaCare’s birth control mandate.

Members of the House GOP discussed a proposal that would reopen the government through mid-December, just weeks before a provision of the mandate takes effect on Jan. 1 for religiously affiliated groups.

Republicans seemed adrift after canceling a vote on a debt-limit plan Tuesday night.

But members of the party signaled concerns about letting the Jan. 1 date pass without waging a battle over contraception.

“It boils down to conscience protections that basically become compromised on the first of January, and that’s bothersome to a lot of people,” Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ark.) told reporters Tuesday afternoon.

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348 comments
1 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:55:18pm

IF WE CAN’T FORCE GOVERNMENT IN BETWEEN A WOMAN AND HER DOCTOR, WE’RE GOING TO SHUT IT DOWN FOR SMALLER GOVERNMENT!

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No really, cognitive dissonance, how does it work?

2 bmiller11757  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:55:38pm

:head desk:

3 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:56:47pm

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4 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:57:30pm
5 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:58:36pm

They weren’t kidding. This really will be a government small enough to fit inside a vagina.

6 blueraven  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 4:58:52pm

And then there is this

What a dick you are with your MBF, Mark Halperin.

7 piratedan  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:01:09pm

it’s just another item on rolling back civil rights and the New Deal….

poor people should be poor
children, seen, not heard
women, subservient to men
coloreds, should know their place
Christians, dominion over all, this is GOD’s country after all

white men know best, therefore white men should rule, ad infinitum, pay homage to us and bask the glow of our largesse, if we wish to bestow it upon you.

welcome to the times before things went sideways for these people…. 1350

8 piratedan  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:02:10pm

re: #4 Carlos Danger

if only they had been thinking about the country and its citizens….

9 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:02:41pm

re: #4 Carlos Danger

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:o

and I hope they go back to the hellholes from which they came. Primaries aren’t going to matter when no one votes Republican again.

Come on, do you think there are enough stupid people out there to risk repeating this kind of bullshit again?

OK, I may be too optimistic, but people need to let the scales fall from their eyes and get over the lies they have been told over and over and over, ad nauseam.

10 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:03:49pm

Yum! Slut pills!

11 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:03:56pm

re: #3 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

Image: headdesk.gif.gif

Image: kurokoheaddesk.gif

12 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:05:22pm

I can hardly believe this is a real issue in 2013.

13 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:06:20pm

Contraception goes against their religious beliefs and more importantly, their religious institutions.

When your religious institution says that the man is the ruler of the home, the woman does not have the right to choose whether or when to bear children. That worked before science. Now the cat is out of the bag. Not only is pregnancy not mandatory, neither are men.

Government used to help men keep control of their religious institutions and women. Not so much these days. Men will have to use charm and other witchcraft to win and keep a woman, because the fascist approach doesn’t work any more, unless you keep the little lady from learning how to read.

14 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:06:23pm

I have to wonder if people outside the US have any real idea just how crazy, ignorant, and superstitious the Tea Party really is. It really has no analog outside third world countries.
Do any of our non-US lizardoids have some thoughts on the matter?

15 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:07:10pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

I can hardly believe this is a real issue in 2013.

It just doesn’t seem real to me either. They could collapse the world economy over this.

16 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:09:08pm

If you had Oct 15th as the day in the pool when Boehner threw in the towel, step forward and claim your winnings.

17 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:10:20pm

Attention Republican dickwads,

You have now fully succeeded into transforming the United States from a prosperous superpower to a global laughingstock.

18 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:10:23pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

If you had Oct 15th as the day in the pool when Boehner threw in the towel, step forward and claim your winnings.

Good to see it ending, though its been fun watching the GOP immolate itself.

19 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:10:46pm
20 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:10:59pm

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel

I have to wonder if people outside the US have any real idea just how crazy, ignorant, and superstitious the Tea Party really is. It really has no analog outside third world countries.
Do any of our non-US lizardoids have some thoughts on the matter?

I live here and I still can’t get my head around it. They really do hate the countryso much that they think destroying it is a viable option.

That’s what a 20+ year diet of hate radio - yeah Limbaugh, I’m talking about you - coupled with the media echo chamber called Fox can do.

21 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:11:02pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

If you had Oct 15th as the day in the pool when Boehner threw in the towel, step forward and claim your winnings.

Wait…
What?

22 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:11:05pm

re: #18 aagcobb

Good to see it ending, though its been fun watching the GOP immolate itself.

I’m sure we’ll hear from Ted Cruz before all this is over.

23 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:11:50pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

Love your icon.

24 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:12:08pm

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel

I have to wonder if people outside the US have any real idea just how crazy, ignorant, and superstitious the Tea Party really is. It really has no analog outside third world countries.
Do any of our non-US lizardoids have some thoughts on the matter?

I’m in the US, but I remain convinced that this is precisely why Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize so early in his first term —- he simply was not a dangerous GOP maniac like GW Bush and his crowd of PNAC morons.

However, I imagine foreign observers are more sensitive to Project for an New American Century delusions (and other foreign policy stupidity) than to the rest of the GOP freak show that relates more to domestic US issues.

25 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:12:16pm
26 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:12:23pm

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel

I have to wonder if people outside the US have any real idea just how crazy, ignorant, and superstitious the Tea Party really is. It really has no analog outside third world countries.
Do any of our non-US lizardoids have some thoughts on the matter?

I explained the driving ideas behind the TP’ers; Ayn Rand’s Objectivism, fundamentalist Christian eschatology, etc. to several of my students; most of them thought I was either joking or exaggerating until they started reading up on independently - they weren’t laughing then. They were horrified. The most common question to me was, “Can’t you ban them?” because that’s what would be done here in the Czech Republic. When I explain that, “No, really that’s not possible” they shake their heads in disbelief and more than a few have suggested we should seriously consider changing that.

27 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:13:36pm

re: #25 darthstar

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I see this is from NRO. Is there a legitimate source reporting this as well?

28 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:13:39pm

re: #21 Varek Raith

Wait…
What?

29 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:13:49pm

Love the headline over at Roll Call

The debt ceiling endgame: Boehner crashes and burns

30 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:14:01pm

re: #23 PhillyPretzel

Love your icon.

I stole it from the President!

32 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:14:27pm

Can someone refresh me on the Senate deal, which I thought was at last check mostly made of a very lucky puppy’s hopes and dreams?

33 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:14:58pm

Well…
Shit.
Dumbasses fucking trash the economy over nothing.

34 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:15:24pm

re: #26 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

I explained the driving ideas behind the TP’ers; Ayn Rand’s Objectivism, fundamentalist Christian eschatology, etc. to several of my students; most of them thought I was either joking or exaggerating until they started reading up on independently - they weren’t laughing then. They were horrified. The most common question to me was, “Can’t you ban them?” because that’s what would be done here in the Czech Republic. When I explain that, “No, really that’s not possible” they shake their heads in disbelief and more than a few have suggested we should seriously consider changing that.

The proposition that first amendment protection for all manner of speech, including political hate-propaganda on a massive scale, is compatible with a functional democracy is presently being severely tested.

35 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:15:31pm

Ouch.

36 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:15:37pm
“It boils down to conscience protections that basically become compromised on the first of January, and that’s bothersome to a lot of people,” Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ark.) told reporters Tuesday afternoon.

I think fundamentally they don’t like other peoples’ babies, they just like the idea of punishing a woman for making “sinful choices.”

37 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:15:38pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

I can hardly believe this is a real issue in 2013.

Not just a real issue. An issue that may very well SEND THE ECONOMY OFF A CLIFF.

38 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:15:39pm

re: #30 wrenchwench

I stole it from the President!

39 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:15:54pm

Gee, if we had Single Payer, that would negate the conscience thing.
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Seriously, once again this goes to the heart not only of the Right’s view of women, but also their view of employment. You see this in the saying ‘No poor man ever gave me a job!’ and in the concept of ‘Job Creators’.

It is not a fucking GIFT to get a job. Healthcare is not a boon bestowed upon the worker by the benevolent employer.

Employment is a mutually agreed on exchange, wherein one side gives the labor it can do for the money it needs, and the other gives the money it has for the labor it needs. The employer isn’t paying for health insurance for the employee. Wages, salary, benefits - these are all purchased by the worker by their labor. It is not the employer’s right to tell the employee how to spend their compensation.

40 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:17:00pm
41 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:17:00pm

Who knew a vagina could be so powerful it would shut down the entire U.S.?

42 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:17:01pm

So…

basically the plot of the Road Warrior, but Lord Humongous is worrying the people in the Shoulderpad Compound are having consequence-free sex?

43 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:17:02pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

Until there’s something official being done along those lines to break the impasse and is verified through reputable channels, I’ll wait to celebrate the Orange Boehner’s imminent demise

44 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:17:07pm

re: #32 erik_t

- Committee on Sequester Cuts
- Income Verification for ACA recipients
- CR and debt limit until at least Jan 15

45 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:17:15pm

re: #39 Assless ChapJockey

Gee, if we had Single Payer, that would negate the conscience thing.
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No sarc necessary - the “conscience clause” is used by people to excuse the unconscionable.

46 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:18:14pm

re: #40 Kragar

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South Park Movie II: Canada’s Revenge!

47 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:18:22pm

I have an overwhelming desire to go to Washington and slap John Boehner silly.

48 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:18:42pm

re: #40 Kragar

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Speed 3: NO Cruz Control

49 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:18:48pm

re: #34 EPR-radar

The proposition that first amendment protection for all manner of speech, including political hate-propaganda on a massive scale, is compatible with a functional democracy is presently being severely tested.

The kind of stuff being spewed by TP’ers and RW talk radio would land them in jail charged with sedition in the Czech Republic. No if’s, and’s, or but’s.

We have freedom of speech, but there’s a major red line as to how far one can go.

50 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:19:34pm

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

I have an overwhelming desire to go to Washington and slap John Boehner silly.

You and a lot of other people.

All of this shit could’ve been avoided weeks ago if he’d had a fucking spine and had suspended the Hastert “Rule”.

51 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:20:00pm
52 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:20:23pm

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

I have an overwhelming desire to go to Washington and slap John Boehner silly.

Can I go? I’ll do it to Cruz. : )

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:20:49pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

I can hardly believe this is a real issue in 2013.

Welcome to “It Can’t Happen Here”…
/half

54 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:21:30pm

re: #51 jaunte

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The only thing right about that was the word, “wretch” in that dirge—describes them to a “t”.

55 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:22:05pm

re: #52 Justanotherhuman

Can I go? I’ll do it to Cruz. : )

I suspect McConnell has a couple guys lined up to break Cruz’s kneecaps if he utters a peep when they say ‘without objection’.

56 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:22:18pm

re: #54 Justanotherhuman

Singing Christian hymns in Congress seems odd.

57 Weet  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:22:42pm

Simply a tenet of fascism. Business rules your choices.

58 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:23:15pm

re: #49 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

The kind of stuff being spewed by TP’ers and RW talk radio would land them in jail charged with sedition in the Czech Republic. No if’s, and’s, or but’s.

We have freedom of speech, but there’s a major red line as to how far one can go.

I honestly have no idea how this will work out for the US. If this goes on, the right wing noise machine will foment a second civil war.

59 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:23:49pm

re: #56 jaunte

Singing Christian hymns in Congress seems odd.

It’s the Christian version of a call to prayer from the minarets.

60 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:24:09pm

False Prophet Diss!

61 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:24:24pm

re: #44 Carlos Danger

- Committee on Sequester Cuts
- Income Verification for ACA recipients
- CR and debt limit until at least Jan 15

How is income verification done? There’s no real way for applicants to verify their previous years income before 1099’s are sent out and received. In 2014 and later years open enrollment ends after the first week of December. I’m not sure how it works now but I think people just guestimate their income level and then have their subsidy readjusted if necessary when taxes get filed in April.

In other words income verification could cost the government money if there’s no already set up mechanism by which to conduct it.

62 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:24:59pm

Something to calm down to tonight.

K.D. lang covering “Hallelujah”

Youtube Video

63 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:25:16pm

re: #59 darthstar

It’s the Christian version of a call to prayer from the minarets.

The call to prayer from minarets should not be sullied by comparison to Congressional snake handlers engaged in violating the separation of church and state.

64 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:25:36pm

Income Verification for ACA recipients.

I’ve said this before, and I’ll say this again - what the heck does this mean considering that the ACA already has income verification and does the GOP realize that this puts more power in the hands of the reviled IRS if they’re going to try and confirm incomes against the subsidies? WTF is this about?

Or, is it about screwing self-employed who haven’t got a set income for the year and could have serious fluctuations from year to year. Estimated tax payments, etc. Lots of extra filings to make happen.

65 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:26:19pm

re: #64 lawhawk

“Fiscal responsibility head fake.”

66 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:26:47pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

How is income verification done? There’s no real way for applicants to verify their previous years income before 1099’s are sent out and received. In 2014 and later years open enrollment ends after the first week of December. I’m not sure how it works now but I think people just guestimate their income level and then have their subsidy readjusted if necessary when taxes get filed in April.

In other words income verification could cost the government money if there’s no already set up mechanism by which to conduct it.

As I recall, some were saying the the income verification was a poison pill because there would be no way to implement it. Hopefully that isn’t how it will work out.

67 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:27:18pm

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

I have an overwhelming desire to go to Washington and slap John Boehner silly.

he’s already silly

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:27:48pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

How is income verification done? There’s no real way for applicants to verify their previous years income before 1099’s are sent out and received. In 2014 and later years open enrollment ends after the first week of December. I’m not sure how it works now but I think people just guestimate their income level and then have their subsidy readjusted if necessary when taxes get filed in April.

In other words income verification could cost the government money if there’s no already set up mechanism by which to conduct it.

The RWNJ have been screaming about how the IRS would have all that information, so I really don’t get why they demand further income verification.

and NSA…

69 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:27:55pm

re: #64 lawhawk

Income Verification for ACA recipients.

I’ve said this before, and I’ll say this again - what the heck does this mean considering that the ACA already has income verification and does the GOP realize that this puts more power in the hands of the reviled IRS if they’re going to try and confirm incomes against the subsidies? WTF is this about?

re: #66 EPR-radar

As I recall, some were saying the the income verification was a poison pill because there would be no way to implement it. Hopefully that isn’t how it will work out.

So…
Which is it?

70 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:28:20pm

re: #64 lawhawk

I have no doubt they’ll find some way to create a Grand Unified Theory about all this. It happened in the Bush years when the Republicans passed mandated ethanol fuels legislation and then turned around and blamed it on environmentalists.

71 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:28:27pm

re: #58 EPR-radar

I honestly have no idea how this will work out for the US. If this goes on, the right wing noise machine will foment a second civil war.

For the RW’ers, that’s a feature, not a bug.

72 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:28:43pm
73 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:29:12pm
74 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:30:23pm

re: #39 Assless ChapJockey

Gee, if we had Single Payer, that would negate the conscience thing.
///

Seriously, once again this goes to the heart not only of the Right’s view of women, but also their view of employment. You see this in the saying ‘No poor man ever gave me a job!’ and in the concept of ‘Job Creators’.

It is not a fucking GIFT to get a job. Healthcare is not a boon bestowed upon the worker by the benevolent employer.

Employment is a mutually agreed on exchange, wherein one side gives the labor it can do for the money it needs, and the other gives the money it has for the labor it needs. The employer isn’t paying for health insurance for the employee. Wages, salary, benefits - these are all purchased by the worker by their labor. It is not the employer’s right to tell the employee how to spend their compensation.

Yep.

GGT Paged this earlier.

The latest trend is for Republicans in state governments to try to keep you from using your own money to buy your own private insurance, if that insurance plan covers abortion.

[…]

While I have no doubt that those pushing these bans on the purchase of private insurance plans hope they will prevent some women from getting safe, legal abortions, this also must be understood as a disingenuous political ploy to attack Obamacare. Conservatives are “borrowing” the stigma of abortion and of female sexuality generally to stigmatize and demonize the Affordable Care Act. Laws like this are about more than abortion, but are an overall attempt to undermine access to health care generally, which means they’re an attack on your insulin shots, your heart surgery, your child’s annual check-up, you name it. It may get tagged as a reproductive rights story, but it’s really a story about access to affordable care for everyone.

Abortion must be de-stigmatized. Being opposed to abortions is unscientific. Oh, yeah. Science needs to be de-stigmatized too.

75 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:30:37pm

re: #64 lawhawk

Income Verification for ACA recipients.

I’ve said this before, and I’ll say this again - what the heck does this mean considering that the ACA already has income verification and does the GOP realize that this puts more power in the hands of the reviled IRS if they’re going to try and confirm incomes against the subsidies? WTF is this about?

As always, the most heart-clutching fear of the Teabaggers is that somebody poor might get a slightly larger serving of gruel in the workhouse.

Rich people cheating on taxes? That’s great! More power to ‘em!

Poor people getting a little bit more than they’re supposed to? Better that 10 innocent men starve than that one guilty man get an extra piece of bread.

76 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:30:42pm

re: #73 darthstar

screwing their aides will be the least of the #GOP’s problems

I really wouldn’t want to mess with the people who have access to all my correspondence.

77 Weet  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:31:33pm

re: #69 Varek Raith

So…
Which is it?

Meanwhile, the GOP is pressuring the Department of Health and Human Services to strengthen the income verification requirements for individuals who earn above 400 percent of the federal poverty line and qualify for subsidies under the law. HHS had announced that it would rely on applicants’ self-reported income information to verify whether they accurately represented their earnings and “only double-check a statistically significant number of these people with large income discrepancies, rather than the entire group.” The Senate deal would “call for the Secretary of Health and Human Services to certify that adequate verification processes were already in place” and require a follow-up audit from the Inspector General.
Link

78 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:31:35pm

re: #76 jaunte

I really wouldn’t want to mess with the people who have access to all my correspondence.

Good point.

79 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:33:29pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

The RWNJ have been screaming about how the IRS would have all that information, so I really don’t get why they demand further income verification.

and NSA…

The IRS won’t have all of a person’s income for a year until that year is over. Sure they can make a projection, but it won’t account for end of year windfalls or christmas bonuses, layoffs, the variability of contract work, etc. And since in 2014 and after the open enrollment period for the next year will have expired before the previous year is finished then actual verification can’t really be done. That’s why the IRS mandates employers send out 1099’s, because accounting is a bitch and not everything gets reported to them until after the tax year ends.

So again, I really want to know what this Republican idea of verification entails, because as Lawhawk said, verification already exists, only it’s not 100% prescriptive. Because of the way our tax system is constructed there has to be room for a subsidy adjustment if the forecasted income doesn’t match actual income earned.

80 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:33:49pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

The RWNJ have been screaming about how the IRS would have all that information, so I really don’t get why they demand further income verification.

and NSA…

IRS audits rich tax cheat: FASCISM!!!!!

IRS audits poor person: FREEDOM!!!!!

81 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:34:05pm

3 weeks ago, people said the GOP was unlikely to win major concessions from Obama and the House said “He’ll cave!”

2 weeks ago, people began to get angry over the shutdown, but the House kept it going because “He’ll cave!”

1 week ago, the shutdown was eating into people’s savings while the debt ceiling loomed large, but the House still declared “He’ll cave!”

Now the shutdown has gone on for two weeks and taken millions to billions of dollars out of the economy and ensured that the quarterly growth will be anemic, while the debt ceiling is nigh, and the House finally whimpers “We’ll cave.”

82 Mattand  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:34:56pm

re: #32 erik_t

Can someone refresh me on the Senate deal, which I thought was at last check mostly made of a very lucky puppy’s hopes and dreams?

I was about to ask that, too. IIRC, doesn’t the Senate deal just mean we do this horseshit again in 3 months?

83 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:35:09pm
84 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:35:20pm

re: #80 Assless ChapJockey

IRS audits rich tax cheat: FASCISM!!!!!

IRS audits poor person: FREEDOM!!!!!

In a bizarre parallel universe, the Republican Party would support, uh… racial money-ial profiling, since auditing the average rich person will financially benefit the federal government far more than auditing the average poor person.

85 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:35:31pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

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3 weeks ago, people said the GOP was unlikely to win major concessions from Obama and the House said “He’ll cave!”

2 weeks ago, people began to get angry over the shutdown, but the House kept it going because “He’ll cave!”

1 week ago, the shutdown was eating into people’s savings while the debt ceiling loomed large, but the House still declared “He’ll cave!”

Now the shutdown has gone on for two weeks and taken millions to billions of dollars out of the economy and ensured that the quarterly growth will be anemic, while the debt ceiling is neigh, and the House finally whimpers “We’ll cave.”

Great! But I really, really need to see Obama signing the deal before I relax. With that crowd, there’s no end to the mischief they might play.

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:36:03pm

re: #77 Weet

Meanwhile, the GOP is pressuring the Department of Health and Human Services to strengthen the income verification requirements for individuals who earn above 400 percent of the federal poverty line and qualify for subsidies under the law. HHS had announced that it would rely on applicants’ self-reported income information to verify whether they accurately represented their earnings and “only double-check a statistically significant number of these people with large income discrepancies, rather than the entire group.” The Senate deal would “call for the Secretary of Health and Human Services to certify that adequate verification processes were already in place” and require a follow-up audit from the Inspector General.
Link

wait, what? Isn’t HHS one of the cabinets they want to eliminate?

87 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:36:45pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait, what? Isn’t HHS one of the cabinets they want to eliminate?

No, that was Education, Energy, and uh…um………

88 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:37:08pm
89 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:37:23pm

re: #82 Mattand

I was about to ask that, too. IIRC, doesn’t the Senate deal just mean we do this horseshit again in 3 months?

By then we’ll be good at it.

90 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:37:53pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

The IRS won’t have all of a person’s income for a year until that year is over. Sure they can make a projection, but it won’t account for end of year windfalls or christmas bonuses, layoffs, the variability of contract work, etc. And since in 2014 and after the open enrollment period for the next year will have expired before the previous year is finished then actual verification can’t really be done. That’s why the IRS mandates employers send out 1099’s, because accounting is a bitch and not everything gets reported to them until after the tax year ends.

So again, I really want to know what this Republican idea of verification entails, because as Lawhawk said, verification already exists, only it’s not 100% prescriptive. Because of the way our tax system is constructed there has to be room for a subsidy adjustment if the forecasted income doesn’t match actual income earned.

But the IRS can go back and recover any difference, just like they can do with any audit.
So, someone can “cheat” for a year or so, but IRS will hunt you down and collect…

91 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:37:57pm

re: #5 erik_t

They weren’t kidding. This really will be a government small enough to fit inside a vagina.

And dumb enough to drown in its own drool.

92 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:38:02pm

re: #82 Mattand

I was about to ask that, too. IIRC, doesn’t the Senate deal just mean we do this horseshit again in 3 months?

Hopefully, the GOP will suffer ongoing negative polling results for this exercise, from which they look to have gotten nearly nothing. That, combined with Democrats who do not cave at every opportunity, should provide sufficient incentives for the GOP to decrease the chance of a repeat.

93 Flying Squirrel Girl  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:38:21pm

re: #64 lawhawk

IMO this is a way for them to say they won. It doesn’t have to make sense or even be the case, they just want to crow that Dems/Obama blinked.

The epistemic closure has been so complete over the last couple weeks that they believe Americans are with them. They feel it in their guts so they can ignore the polls.

94 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:38:26pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

Now the shutdown has gone on for two weeks and taken millions to billions of dollars out of the economy and ensured that the quarterly growth will be anemic, while the debt ceiling is nigh, and the House finally whimpers “We’ll cave.”

You mean shutting down the government over petty bullshit isn’t a winner? Who could have ever imagined?

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95 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:38:28pm

re: #58 EPR-radar

I honestly have no idea how this will work out for the US. If this goes on, the right wing noise machine will foment a second civil war.

No, the old white men talk a big game, but they are too comfortable to start an actual conflict. The real concern is the mentally unbalanced loners like McVeigh.

96 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:39:21pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

By then we’ll be good at it.

Democrats with spines will no longer be regarded as mythical creatures, extinct for over 50 years.

97 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:40:07pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

It seems to me I heard that if you got the subsidy and then made too much money you’d just have to give the subsidy back.

98 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:40:12pm
99 Mattand  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:40:13pm

re: #32 erik_t

re: #82 Mattand

re: #92 EPR-radar

Found this over at TPM.

Ran through it quickly. One thing that caught my attention is that it nixes any repeal/delay on the med device tax. I

100 Archangelus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:40:20pm

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

I have an overwhelming desire to go to Washington and slap John Boehner silly.

You’ll have to get in line like the rest of us…

101 erik_t  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:41:10pm

re: #99 Mattand

Found this over at TPM.

Ran through it quickly. One thing that caught my attention is that it nixes any repeal/delay on the med device tax. I

(Dirty little secret: I don’t particularly care about the medical device tax in the greater scheme of things)

102 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:41:14pm

re: #95 aagcobb

No, the old white men talk a big game, but they are too comfortable to start an actual conflict. The real concern is the mentally unbalanced loners like McVeigh.

That’s how it would start, but it could dangerously escalate along tribal lines. E.g., multiple Ruby Ridge type incidents (Feds vs. militias) in a short period of time.

103 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:41:27pm

re: #40 Kragar

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How about “The Sound of His Wings” from the story Heinlein never got to about the rise of Nehemiah Scudder & his theocracy? It would fit what that bastard is trying to do to the US.

104 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:41:28pm

re: #100 Archangelus

You’ll have to get in line like the rest of us…

Like the scene in Airplane, with the hysterical woman…

105 Weet  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:41:37pm
106 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:42:18pm

re: #95 aagcobb

No, the old white men talk a big game, but they are too comfortable to start an actual conflict. The real concern is the mentally unbalanced loners like McVeigh.

That is my concern; lunatics like that Kessler fellow, or perhaps some members of the Oath Keepers, lone-wolves, that sort of thing.

Fomenting a civil war doesn’t mean that some fat prick like Limbaugh or a colossal douche like Levin needs to strap on an ammo belt and head out with a Bible and gun; all they need to do is keep opening their pieholes and some nutjobs out there will see to the rest.

107 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:42:21pm

Greenwald’s financial backer: Pierre Omidyar.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Glenn Greenwald, who has made headlines around the world with his reporting on U.S. electronic surveillance programs, is leaving the Guardian newspaper to join a new media venture funded by eBay founder Pierre Omidyar, according to people familiar with the matter.

Greenwald, who is based in Brazil and was among the first to report information provided by one-time U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden, wrote in a blog post on Tuesday that he was presented with a “once-in-a-career dream journalistic opportunity” that he could not pass up.

He did not reveal any specifics of the new media venture but said details would be announced soon. Greenwald did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Two sources familiar with the new venture said the financial backer was Omidyar. It was not immediately clear if he was the only backer or if there were other partners.

Omidyar could not immediately be reached for comment.

Omidyar, who is chairman of the board at eBay Inc but is not involved in day-to-day operations at the company, has numerous philanthropic, business and political interests, mainly through an investment entity called the Omidyar Network.

Forbes pegged the 46-year-old Omidyar’s net worth at $8.5 billion.

108 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:42:41pm

re: #82 Mattand

I was about to ask that, too. IIRC, doesn’t the Senate deal just mean we do this horseshit again in 3 months?

That is a feature, not a bug. Lets watch the GOP tear itself apart again in 3 months!

109 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:42:43pm
110 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:43:11pm

Well we won’t even know what’s in the Senate deal yet, since the bill hasn’t been finalized yet. The GOPs demands are going to be about as big as McConnell’s balls, at this juncture.

111 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:43:36pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

a “once-in-a-career dream journalistic opportunity”

Um.

112 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:44:47pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

Greenwald’s financial backer: Pierre Omidyar.

113 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:45:15pm

re: #111 jaunte

Um.

Yeah….wouldn’t that be a “once-in-a-career dream journalism opportunity”?

114 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:45:29pm

re: #111 jaunte

If I got a job telling stories in public only loosely connected to reality and having no editor, I wouldn’t have the nerve to call it journalism.

115 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:45:35pm

re: #87 Assless ChapJockey

No, that was Education, Energy, and uh…um………

oops.

116 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:45:46pm

Ohhh, should have been gBay.

117 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:47:36pm

What is this car chase in LA thing that’s going on?

118 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:47:58pm

re: #117 Vicious Babushka

What is this car chase in LA thing that’s going on?

OJ Simpson?

119 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:48:07pm

re: #117 Vicious Babushka

What is this car chase in LA thing that’s going on?

Something going on right now?

120 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:48:14pm

re: #104 Assless ChapJockey

Like the scene in Airplane, with the hysterical woman…

Me, I like a woman that can speak Jive (forward to 0:58):
Youtube Video

121 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:48:51pm

re: #117 Vicious Babushka

What is this car chase in LA thing that’s going on?

Follow this guy:

122 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:48:59pm

So, GG’s backer is a rich libertarian dudebro with too much money and not enough to do with it?

Money always has strings…

123 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:49:32pm

re: #102 EPR-radar

That’s how it would start, but it could dangerously escalate along tribal lines. E.g., multiple Ruby Ridge type incidents (Feds vs. militias) in a short period of time.

Those fat, comfortable middle-aged men? They’d piss their pants and run home to momma if they had to face up to actual US Army troops. Its only isolated fanatics who are willing to fight and die for this.

124 plansbandc  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:50:02pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

I can hardly believe this is a real issue in 2013.

It’s like the Sixties and Seventies didn’t exist.

125 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:51:13pm

re: #106 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

That is my concern; lunatics like that Kessler fellow, or perhaps some members of the Oath Keepers, lone-wolves, that sort of thing.

Fomenting a civil war doesn’t mean that some fat prick like Limbaugh or a colossal douche like Levin needs to strap on an ammo belt and head out with a Bible and gun; all they need to do is keep opening their pieholes and some nutjobs out there will see to the rest.

Its a given in our society that mentally unbalanced people will continue to engage in the occasional episode of mass killing, after which it will not be the right time to discuss gun control, as always.//

126 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:51:27pm
127 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:51:45pm

re: #125 aagcobb

Its a given in our society that mentally unbalanced people will continue to engage in the occasional episode of mass killing, after which it will not be the right time to discuss gun control, as always.//

Sad but true.

128 sagehen  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:51:51pm

I just got back from a watch party for the DeBlasio/Lohta debate; no matter the topic under discussion DeBlasio kept finding ways to work into his answer as assertion Lohta is a Tea Party Republican, and Lohta kept finding ways to work into his answer a denial of being a Tea Party Republican…

129 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:52:44pm


Now we await the inevitable objections from one or more Tea Party darlings when motion is filed for passage by unanimous consent.

130 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:53:06pm
131 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:53:23pm

FSM all the crap of the 60s with none of the music!!!


Youtube Video

132 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:55:11pm

re: #128 sagehen

I just got back from a watch party for the DeBlasio/Lohta debate; no matter the topic under discussion DeBlasio kept finding ways to work into his answer as assertion Lohta is a Tea Party Republican, and Lohta kept finding ways to work into his answer a denial of being a Tea Party Republican…

Well, that is a critical issue. The single most important issue for me as a voter is not voting for a Teahadi. I’m in CA, but I imagine many in NYC have the same attitude.

133 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:55:40pm

re: #124 plansbandc

It’s like the sixties and seventies didn’t exist.

That is pretty much exactly the desire.

134 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:55:45pm

Picked up some burgers, making some homemade bacon and guacomole burgers, and kicking back to watch Pacific Rim

BBL

135 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:57:28pm

re: #134 Kragar

Picked up some burgers, making some homemade bacon and guacomole burgers, and kicking back to watch Pacific Rim

BBL

Time to cancel the apocalypse?

136 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:57:41pm

re: #122 Justanotherhuman

So, GG’s backer is a rich libertarian dudebro with too much money and not enough to do with it?

Money always has strings…

A lot of Brazileans pay good money to maintain a de facto oligarchy.

Brazil is super excited about Greenwald’s stuff about US spying. They’re using it as an excuse to again demand cyber-sovereignity.

You know, when the national government gets to control content availability…for freedom..rather than US-based companies and service providers! That’s why Brazil, Russia, and China are so into the idea….freedom.

137 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 5:57:52pm
138 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:00:04pm


Later, lizards,

139 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:00:05pm

re: #124 plansbandc

It’s like the sixties and seventies didn’t exist.

That why I’m always amused at the description of WF Buckley as the “smart one” of conservatism. Nobody who thinks that getting history to stop is doable is being intelligent.

We will have either progress, regress, or some mixture of these two. Stasis is the one thing that is not an option.

140 Sherlock Hound  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:00:13pm

re: #39 Assless ChapJockey

You had me up until you said “it’s not the right of the employer to tell the employee how to use his or her pay and benefits.”

I have already heard of supervisors “auditing” a woman’s purse over her birth control pills.

In my state, talk radio and online forums are filled with those who have no trouble telling the lesser people how and what to spend their money on.

It won’t dawn on these Republican proles that someday, their boss may very well say, “You know, Jones, some of us have to learn personal responsibility, and some of us, you know, weren’t really responsible when they were younger. Do you understand? You wouldn’t be asking me for time off if you really thought about it. Thank you for understanding!”

What, you thought Romney was only talking about those people on welfare?

141 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:00:46pm

Wingnut “friend” on facebook shared this without even a hint of irony:

Vimeo

142 Sherlock Hound  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:03:32pm

re: #49 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

That’s what happens when Rush, and Beck, get to stay on the safe side of sedition for as long as they had. That radio host in Rwanda thought he was safe when he told people to “cut down the tall trees”, or in other words, kill the Tutsis. Never did he imagine he would be in a cell for war crimes, but there you go.

143 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:05:09pm

re: #128 sagehen

I just got back from a watch party for the DeBlasio/Lohta debate; no matter the topic under discussion DeBlasio kept finding ways to work into his answer as assertion Lohta is a Tea Party Republican, and Lohta kept finding ways to work into his answer a denial of being a Tea Party Republican…

Lhota isn’t a TP GOPer, and under most circumstances, he would have attempted a run as a conservative Democrat, but this is NYC and a crowded Democrat field means candidates will flip over to the GOP, just as Rudy and Bloomberg did before.

Ultimately though, the NYC race will come down to deBlasio and Lhota’s stand on stop and frisk, and not much else. Their positions are pretty close otherwise.

144 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:05:45pm

re: #142 Sherlock Hound

That’s what happens when Rush, and Beck, get to stay on the safe side of sedition for as long as they had. That radio host in Rwanda thought he was safe when he told people to “cut down the tall trees”, or in other words, kill the Tutsis. Never did he imagine he would be in a cell for war crimes, but there you go.

Oh how true that is.

145 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:06:10pm

Youtube Video

146 Stanley Sea  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:06:14pm

re: #134 Kragar

Picked up some burgers, making some homemade bacon and guacomole burgers, and kicking back to watch Pacific Rim

BBL

And I’m packing for Florida!!!

147 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:06:18pm

re: #129 Targetpractice

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Now we await the inevitable objections from one or more Tea Party darlings when motion is filed for passage by unanimous consent.

It’s just a ruse to lure us out of our survival bunkers. Don’t fall for it!

148 Shvaughn  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:07:57pm

Anyone remember Todd Kincannon? He wants to put transgender people in camps apparently.

149 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:08:31pm

re: #140 Sherlock Hound

You had me up until you said “it’s not the right of the employer to tell the employee how to use his or her pay and benefits.”

I have already heard of supervisors “auditing” a woman’s purse over her birth control pills.

Individual supervisors and managers do all kinds of unethical and illegal shit, doesn’t make it the right of the employer. The situation you described was sexual harassment, no way that supervisor searches his male employee’s wallets for condoms.

150 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:09:25pm

re: #148 Shvaughn

Anyone remember Todd Kincannon? He wants to put transgender people in camps apparently.

What. The. Fuck?

151 sagehen  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:09:57pm

re: #143 lawhawk

Lhota isn’t a TP GOPer, and under most circumstances, he would have attempted a run as a conservative Democrat, but this is NYC and a crowded Democrat field means candidates will flip over to the GOP, just as Rudy and Bloomberg did before.

Ultimately though, the NYC race will come down to deBlasio and Lhota’s stand on stop and frisk, and not much else. Their positions are pretty close otherwise.

They also have pretty divergent views on zoning & developers’ conditions to create affordable housing, charter schools located within public schools, and city income tax.

152 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:11:04pm

re: #105 Weet

#GreenwaldMedia

Pravbro.

153 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:13:26pm
154 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:13:50pm
155 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:14:28pm

Has anyone dared to venture to Freeper land to see how those howler monkeys are taking all this?

I would, but I’m about to eat dinner.

156 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:15:43pm

The derp in the wingnut-o-sphere is something to behold.

157 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:15:54pm

re: #155 Lidane

Has anyone dared to venture to Freeper land to see how those howler monkeys are taking all this?

I would, but I’m about to eat dinner.

Too soon. Their comprehension rate is on the ‘casual’ side.

158 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:16:29pm

re: #154 Lidane

i guess the prevailing opinion is that after the failure of the house to accomplish anything today, they’re gonna go all limp and pass whatever the senate cooks up tomorrow or thursday

159 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:18:45pm

re: #155 Lidane

Has anyone dared to venture to Freeper land to see how those howler monkeys are taking all this?

I would, but I’m about to eat dinner.

Well, they’re calling Darrell Issa a liberal traitor, for starters.

160 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:18:52pm

re: #155 Lidane

Has anyone dared to venture to Freeper land to see how those howler monkeys are taking all this?

I would, but I’m about to eat dinner.

i took a look a little earlier

they’re not concerned because they don’t believe in the existence of a debt crisis or a problem with having the government shut down and they assume that they’re winning

if the house caves i expect astonishment and a search for who to blame for the betrayal when victory was at hand, sort of like germany right after WWI

161 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:19:16pm

re: #158 dog philosopher

i guess the prevailing opinion is that after the failure of the house to accomplish anything today, they’re gonna go all limp and pass whatever the senate cooks up tomorrow or thursday

If they dopn’t act in the next few hours, everyone will be too busy setting up their apple boutiques:

Image: krugman_2-great-depression-unemployed-man-selling-apples.jpg

162 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:19:50pm

re: #159 Aqua Obama

Well, they’re calling Darrell Issa a liberal traitor, for starters.

Yeah, they turned on him so fast the servers at FR must’ve gotten whiplash.

163 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:20:25pm

re: #159 Aqua Obama

Well, they’re calling Darrell Issa a liberal traitor, for starters.

Youtube Video

164 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:20:33pm
165 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:20:59pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

If they dopn’t act in the next few hours, everyone will be too busy setting up their apple boutiques:

Image: krugman_2-great-depression-unemployed-man-selling-apples.jpg

Now I wish I hadn’t eaten my lunch apple. I could sell it on Thursday, after Slim Pickens Ted Cruz rides the nuke down to oblivion.

166 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:24:53pm

Tim F. over at Balloon Juice has what I thought was a very good take on the Teabaggers and why they’re willing to drive the bus over the cliff to keep that poor kid from getting any bandages out of the First Aid kit.

Perfect parallel to the Southern whites reacting to the demographic and electoral inevitability of the end of their privilege, but he tells it better than I do.

167 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:24:54pm
168 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:25:47pm

re: #167 Targetpractice

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Boehner would be well advised to lock the door of the bathroom when he goes in for a dump.

169 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:25:53pm

re: #159 Aqua Obama

Well, they’re calling Darrell Issa a liberal traitor, for starters.

re: #162 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

Yeah, they turned on him so fast the servers at FR must’ve gotten whiplash.

re: #163 Targetpractice

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Issa, a “liberal traitor”?

Holy shit, the Freepers must be on a Hunter Thompson-type drug binge.

170 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:26:42pm

re: #160 dog philosopher

i took a look a little earlier

they’re not concerned because they don’t believe in the existence of a debt crisis or a problem with having the government shut down and they assume that they’re winning

if the house caves i expect astonishment and a search for who to blame for the betrayal when victory was at hand, sort of like germany right after WWI

Just what the US right wing nut jobs need to get back some respectability. Their very own dolchstosslegende.

171 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:27:48pm

re: #169 AlexRogan

Issa, a “liberal traitor”?

Holy shit, the Freepers must be on a Hunter Thompson-type drug binge.

We can’t stop here, this is wingnut country!

172 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:29:01pm

re: #170 EPR-radar

Just what the US right wing nut jobs need to get back some respectability. Their very own dolchstosslegende.

Boehner should not release the clean CR vote from a railroad car.

173 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:31:04pm

Seen on the net

You know, it just might have been a bad idea to elect a bunch of cultists who worship Cthulhu in Jesus drag to high office.

174 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:31:17pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

Boehner should not release the clean CR vote from a railroad car.

Hope WIlliam F. Buckley isn’t standing in front of it.

175 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:31:18pm


If nothing else, this whole episode has led to some great comedy.

176 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:32:12pm
177 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:33:31pm
178 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:34:31pm

re: #160 dog philosopher

i expect astonishment and a search for who to blame for the betrayal when victory was at hand, sort of like germany right after WWI election night 2012

FTFY

179 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:34:50pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

Woohoo! RT @panndder: NRO is apparently going the route of Little Green Footballs. Blog posts and comments are very anti-GOP today.

The gold lizard standard.

180 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:35:43pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb

“Pro-competence” for the win.

181 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:36:07pm

Think there’s one thing we can all agree upon, it’s that come Friday, assuming this whole crisis has been dealt with, the GOP will have very few friends. They may make up some ground in the next year, but what should have been smooth sailing next year is now looking like it may be a very real race to the finish line.

182 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:36:36pm
183 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:38:57pm

And, with perfect timing, a fund-raising robocall from the RNC.

184 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:39:38pm

re: #183 jaunte

And, with perfect timing, a fund-raising robocall from the RNC.

Are they asking for asylum?

185 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:40:13pm

re: #183 jaunte

And, with perfect timing, a fund-raising robocall from the RNC.

I don’t get those. It would be fun to receive only one such call, and answer the fundraising plea with: “Die in a pit with a pig”.

186 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:41:15pm

The GOP needs to find a way to initiate a party purge - the TP’ers need to go. I don’t know if that’s possible for them to do on a national level, and they risk a profound backlash from their base.

But sometimes, ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

187 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:42:46pm

re: #186 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

The GOP needs to find a way to initiate a party purge - the TP’ers need to go. I don’t know if that’s possible for them to do on a national level, and they risk a profound backlash from their base.

But sometimes, ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

They really are riding the tiger. What reason does anyone who is not fabulously wealthy have to vote GOP other than the assorted resentment of the tea partiers?

188 sagehen  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:43:45pm

Are DeMint and Cruz part of The Family (that C street super-sekrit Dominionist outfit?)

I want to explore the possibility that religious extremists are deliberately trying to demolish the country, the global economy, just burn the whole shit down, so they can build their theocratic wonderland from the ashes.

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

And if the economic disruption around the world sets off a bunch of wars elsewhere, so much the better. Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin and their ilk are disconcertingly excited about the possibility of bringing on the endtimes.

189 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:44:00pm

re: #159 Aqua Obama

Well, they’re calling Darrell Issa a liberal traitor, for starters.

Actually, there is far less discussion of this on FR than I would have expected, and most of it devolves into Obama and/or RINO bashing by the 3rd comment, with the occasional “shut ‘er down!”

190 PT Barnum  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:45:30pm

re: #188 sagehen

Are DeMint and Cruz part of The Family (that C street super-sekrit Dominionist outfit?)

I want to explore the possibility that religious extremists are deliberately trying to demolish the country, the global economy, just burn the whole shit down, so they can build their theocratic wonderland from the ashes.

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

And if the economic disruption around the world sets off a bunch of wars elsewhere, so much the better. Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin and their ilk are disconcertingly excited about the possibility of bringing on the endtimes.

They may have only succeeded in bringing on the end times of their own relevance.

191 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:45:46pm

Nice button collection.

192 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:46:02pm

re: #187 EPR-radar

They really are riding the tiger. What reason does anyone who is not fabulously wealthy have to vote GOP other than the assorted resentment of the tea partiers?

None.

The GOP will become a party of deeply resentful, rapidly aging white Christian fundamentalists with no appeal to anyone outside of that particular demographic; when that happens, they’re finished as a political party.

It’s either purge the TP’ers, or go extinct.

193 PT Barnum  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:46:31pm

re: #191 jaunte

Nice button collection.

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“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

194 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:46:39pm

re: #188 sagehen

Are DeMint and Cruz part of The Family (that C street super-sekrit Dominionist outfit?)

I want to explore the possibility that religious extremists are deliberately trying to demolish the country, the global economy, just burn the whole shit down, so they can build their theocratic wonderland from the ashes.

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

And if the economic disruption around the world sets off a bunch of wars elsewhere, so much the better. Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin and their ilk are disconcertingly excited about the possibility of bringing on the endtimes.

Cruz Senior is a hard-core dominionist working with the Benny Hinn camp. Probably totes a pocket ‘C Street’ in his carry-on.

195 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:47:39pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

Damn, I love a good Warren Zevon reference…

196 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:48:51pm

re: #194 Decatur Deb

Cruz Senior is a hard-core dominionist working with the Benny Hinn camp. Probably totes a pocket ‘C Street’ in his carry-on.

Seriously, Cruz (Senior and/or Junior) cozying up to Hinn?

OK, I could see that…

197 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:49:18pm

re: #120 AlexRogan

Me, I like a woman that can speak Jive (forward to 0:58):
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Those of us of a certain age know her as Beaver Cleaver’s mom, in real life known as Barbara Billingsley.

198 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:49:35pm

re: #188 sagehen

Are DeMint and Cruz part of The Family (that C street super-sekrit Dominionist outfit?)

And if the economic disruption around the world sets off a bunch of wars elsewhere, so much the better. Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin and their ilk are disconcertingly excited about the possibility of bringing on the endtimes.

Shouldn’t they have been Raptured out before anything interesting happens?

199 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:50:08pm

re: #192 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

None.

The GOP will become a party of deeply resentful, rapidly aging white Christian fundamentalists with no appeal to anyone outside of that particular demographic; when that happens, they’re finished as a political party.

It’s either purge the TP’ers, or go extinct.

That is the path they are on. However, any small deviation from that orthodoxy seems likely to cost more in base votes/dollars/enthusiasm than can reasonably be picked up by moderating.

I don’t see how they can actually get out of this trap. Hopefully, their immolation is party only, without involving the rest of the country too much.

200 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:50:41pm

re: #197 wheat-dogghazi

Those of us of a certain age know her as Beaver Cleaver’s mom, in real life known as Barbara Billingsley.

Oh, I know…I even liked her as June Cleaver when TBS resurrected LITB in the 80s.

201 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:50:44pm

re: #196 AlexRogan

Seriously, Cruz cozying up to Hinn?

OK, I could see that…

Seems to be working under Hinn’s sister, for precision:

crooksandliars.com

202 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:52:07pm

re: #199 EPR-radar

That is the path they are on. However, any small deviation from that orthodoxy seems likely to cost more in base votes/dollars/enthusiasm than can reasonably be picked up by moderating.

I don’t see how they can actually get out of this trap. Hopefully, their immolation is party only, without involving the rest of the country too much.

If the party leadership is willing to wander in the wilderness for a couple of election cycles while they moderate, in the long-run, they’ll be better off; this requires thinking long-term.

203 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:52:23pm

re: #166 Assless ChapJockey

Tim F. over at Balloon Juice has what I thought was a very good take on the Teabaggers and why they’re willing to drive the bus over the cliff to keep that poor kid from getting any bandages out of the First Aid kit.

Perfect parallel to the Southern whites reacting to the demographic and electoral inevitability of the end of their privilege, but he tells it better than I do.

I had previously proposed that the Who presciently wrote the Tea Party Anthem:

Youtube Video

204 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:54:16pm

re: #188 sagehen

Are DeMint and Cruz part of The Family (that C street super-sekrit Dominionist outfit?)

I want to explore the possibility that religious extremists are deliberately trying to demolish the country, the global economy, just burn the whole shit down, so they can build their theocratic wonderland from the ashes.

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

And if the economic disruption around the world sets off a bunch of wars elsewhere, so much the better. Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin and their ilk are disconcertingly excited about the possibility of bringing on the endtimes.

I had that exact same thought earlier today - GMTA.

And I had the distinct feeling that Ted Cruz saw himself as the savior who would rise from the chaos. The very thought creeped me right out.

205 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:55:51pm

re: #204 makeitstop

And I had the distinct feeling that Ted Cruz saw himself as the savior who would rise from the chaos. The very thought creeped me right out.

Ted does have a real “Boys from Brazil” manufactured quality.

206 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:55:52pm

re: #186 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

The GOP needs to find a way to initiate a party purge - the TP’ers need to go. I don’t know if that’s possible for them to do on a national level, and they risk a profound backlash from their base.

But sometimes, ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

Well, we aren’t the Soviet Union. In many parts of the country, the Tea Party is the GOP.

207 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:56:46pm

Prediction: Wingnuts will engage in more “it’s the messenger, not the message!,” declare that GOP should one again push country into shutdown to prove it’s “serious” about repealing the ACA.

208 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:57:46pm
209 PT Barnum  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:57:46pm

re: #199 EPR-radar

That is the path they are on. However, any small deviation from that orthodoxy seems likely to cost more in base votes/dollars/enthusiasm than can reasonably be picked up by moderating.

I don’t see how they can actually get out of this trap. Hopefully, their immolation is party only, without involving the rest of the country too much.

I hope and expect that what will happen is that the tea party will finally purge everyone who isn’t pure and the result will be that there will either be a third center right party that eventually sends the Tea Party back into the obscurity they deserve or the Democratic party becomes an even bigger tent.

210 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 6:58:04pm

re: #206 aagcobb

Well, we aren’t the Soviet Union. In many parts of the country, the Tea Party is the GOP.

Don’t know if either party even has a mechanism for a purge. Can only think that the ‘old’ LA GOP managed to keep David Duke off their brand.

211 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:00:13pm

Off topic:

I watched the first half of Peter Jackson’s The Hobbit last night and, I knew it was going to be bad, but I feel like my childhood has been desecrated. Radagast the Brown does not let birds shit all over the side of this face! He does not ride a sleigh pulled by jackrabbits. I hate this, I hate it so much.

212 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:00:17pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Don’t know if either party even has a mechanism for a purge. Can only think that the ‘old’ LA GOP managed to keep David Duke off their brand.

Actually they didn’t. He was the GOP nominee for Governor one year.

213 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:03:14pm

re: #211 goddamnedfrank

Off topic:

I watched the first half of Peter Jackson’s The Hobbit last night and, I knew it was going to be bad, but I feel like my childhood has been desecrated. Radagast the Brown does not let birds shit all over the side of this face! He does not ride a sleigh pulled by jackrabbits. I hate this, I hate it so much.

I’ve been avoiding it. I have a faint hope that there will be an Internet edit once all three are out down to only what’s in the book. In the meantime I’ve made sure my son read the original to counter the dreck.

214 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:03:21pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

Seems to be working under Hinn’s sister, for precision:

crooksandliars.com

Benny Hinn is a charlatan and a cheat of the highest order.

215 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:03:25pm

re: #212 aagcobb

Actually they didn’t. He was the GOP nominee for Governor one year.

Nope, my bad. Louisiana had an open primary when he ran for governor in 1991.

216 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:06:22pm

re: #212 aagcobb

Actually they didn’t. He was the GOP nominee for Governor one year.

Checked—Yup, he’s still considering running as a Republican. There must not be any mechanism for booting a nutcase.

217 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:06:23pm

re: #186 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

The GOP needs to find a way to initiate a party purge - the TP’ers need to go. I don’t know if that’s possible for them to do on a national level, and they risk a profound backlash from their base.

But sometimes, ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

They could team up with the Democrats to expel a few members from the House and Senate, but I’m not sure it’s in the Democrats best interest to do that and the Republicans don’t have the spine to ask. The Dems would be helping to cut out the cancer that’s killing the GOP, and they’d be exposing themselves to some very potent charges of two-party entrenched cronyism in the process.

218 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:07:36pm

re: #211 goddamnedfrank

Off topic:

I watched the first half of Peter Jackson’s The Hobbit last night and, I knew it was going to be bad, but I feel like my childhood has been desecrated. Radagast the Brown does not let birds shit all over the side of this face! He does not ride a sleigh pulled by jackrabbits. I hate this, I hate it so much.

You know what sucked hardest? All the prosthetic shit the actors have to wear all over their faces, looks TWICE AS FAKE in 48fps.

219 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:07:46pm

re: #211 goddamnedfrank

Wait until you hit the part with the totally extraneous Azog storyline and the domino pine trees.

220 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:08:54pm

re: #174 Aqua Obama

Hope WIlliam F. Buckley isn’t standing in front of it.

William F. Buckley wouldn’t have blundered into this mess: He smacked down a good number of right-wing crazies and that helped keep the GOP sane,

221 PT Barnum  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:09:35pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

They could team up with the Democrats to expel a few members from the House and Senate, but I’m not sure it’s in the Democrats best interest to do that and the Republicans don’t have the spine to ask. The Dems would be helping to cut out the cancer that’s killing the GOP, and they’d be exposing themselves to some very potent charges of two-party entrenched cronyism in the process.

I’m not sure that it isn’t needed for the sake of the country though.

222 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:09:37pm

re: #219 Aqua Obama

Wait until you hit the part with the totally extraneous Azog storyline and the domino pine trees.

Gratuitous padding to fill three movies.

223 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:10:14pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

William F. Buckley wouldn’t have blundered into this mess: He smacked down a good number of right-wing crazies and that helped keep the GOP sane,

No, he didn’t. He fatally weakened the progressives in the Northeast and co-opted the racist Dixiecrats.

224 andres  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:10:36pm

Although a bit late…

Oh hell no… Could they be…

Somebody pinch me and wake me up? In the meantime, I’ll drown in alcohol.

225 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:10:58pm

re: #219 Aqua Obama

Wait until you hit the part with the totally extraneous Azog storyline and the domino pine trees.

Please don’t torment Frank like that. You’ll piss him off and when he gets pissed off I always seem to get the worst of it.

226 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:11:01pm

re: #218 Vicious Babushka

re: #219 Aqua Obama

It’s George Lucas Syndrome. You saw a lot of it in the LOTR film trilogy, but now the pathology really has got it’s hooks in. The terminal, end stage phase of surrounding oneself with yes men.

227 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:11:14pm
228 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:11:21pm

Charles, my IP is being blocked again.

229 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:11:40pm

re: #222 wheat-dogghazi

Gratuitous padding to fill three movies.

I liked the music though. Not Howard Shore’s best effort, but the dwarves’ song was excellent, and the incorporation of the previous themes was nice.

230 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:12:34pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

They could team up with the Democrats to expel a few members from the House and Senate, but I’m not sure it’s in the Democrats best interest to do that and the Republicans don’t have the spine to ask. The Dems would be helping to cut out the cancer that’s killing the GOP, and they’d be exposing themselves to some very potent charges of two-party entrenched cronyism in the process.

That’s all true.

I have a feeling that ultimately all this TP freneticism will fade, just as it has before in America’s past; the TP is just the latest incarnation of the ugly populist side of American political culture. The American political graveyard is filled with political parties and movements. The Know-Nothings, the Anti-Masonic Party, the Bull Moose Party; all gone and buried.

The Tea Party will likely be the next occupant of the cemetery. It has outlived its usefulness and become dangerous.

231 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:12:53pm

re: #222 wheat-dogghazi

Gratuitous padding to fill three movies.

Took a grandkid to 3D Gravity this week. The trailer was for the 3D Hobbit flick. The images looked like 2D cutouts spaced in a 3D field.

(Gravity used 3D well, but might have been better in IMAX.)

232 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:13:35pm

re: #221 PT Barnum

I’m not sure that it isn’t needed for the sake of the country though.

Be careful that you don’t just create a powerful alliance of libertarian dudebros and tea party fanatics. The Democrats have to handle this carefully, if and when the Tea Party is excised from the GOP, it must retain the character of being cancerous, of bringing death to whoever allies with it.

233 PT Barnum  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:13:43pm

re: #222 wheat-dogghazi

Gratuitous padding to fill three movies.

I think part of the problem was that movies were made out of order. It forced Jackson to be much more serious about the Hobbit than he really needed to be to keep with the tone of the book.

234 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:14:15pm

re: #231 Decatur Deb

Took a grandkid to 3D Gravity this week. The trailer was for the 3D Hobbit flick. The images looked like 2D cutouts spaced in a 3D field.

(Gravity used 3d well, but might have been better in IMAX.)

Very few films use 3D well. Gravity I have heard is one, to go with Avatar (which I did see and approve of) and Hugo (I didn’t see, but husband approved).

…that’s pretty much the list there.

235 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:14:22pm

re: #229 klys

I liked the music though. Not Howard Shore’s best effort, but the dwarves’ song was excellent, and the incorporation of the previous themes was nice.

The music was the best part of any of the film efforts really. I’ve told the wife to have “Into the West” sung when the time comes.

236 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:14:52pm

re: #223 Aqua Obama

Crippling liberal Republicans was part of the plan to align the party behind conservatism. That worked decently as long as the people in charge of defining conservatism were sane, but too many of them have gone nuts since Obama was first elected.

237 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:15:33pm

re: #235 William Barnett-Lewis

The music was the best part of any of the film efforts really. I’ve told the wife to have “Into the West” sung when the time comes.

That song fucks me up hard, because my friends and I would go see the films together when they were released. One of the group died in a car accident before Return of the King was released.

I was not the only one to leave my ticket stub at the graveside.

238 PT Barnum  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:18:04pm

re: #232 goddamnedfrank

Be careful that you don’t just create a powerful alliance of libertarian dudebros and tea party fanatics. The Democrats have to handle this carefully, if and when the Tea Party is excised from the GOP, it must retain the character of being cancerous, of being death to whoever allies with it.

I don’t think that mindset is all that attractive to the majority of the population though. The GOP got in bed with those folks because by themselves being pro business wasn’t enough to win elections, being a farking John Birch nutjob wasn’t enough to win elections (Goldwater proved that) .

239 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:18:56pm

re: #235 William Barnett-Lewis

The music was the best part of any of the film efforts really. I’ve told the wife to have “Into the West” sung when the time comes.

Leaving instructions to try “Finnegan’s Wake”.

Youtube Video

240 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:19:47pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

too many of them have gone nuts since Obama was first elected

I think that caused a lot of them to act it out, but the dysfunction was there before.

241 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:19:59pm

Can’t wait till the 2016 GOP primaries

242 PT Barnum  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:21:57pm

re: #240 jaunte

I think that caused a lot of them to act it out, but the dysfunction was there before.

I think Obama being elected and the tactics unleashed by Caribou Barbi was a big part of why the right rump was able to exert itself.

243 Danack  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:26:46pm

/It’s still real to me.

244 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:27:11pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

Crippling liberal Republicans was part of the plan to align the party behind conservatism. That worked decently as long as the people in charge of defining conservatism were sane, but too many of them have gone nuts since Obama was first elected.

So, and again, this is out of curiousity, Dark: what do you define as conservatism?

245 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:29:18pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

Crippling liberal Republicans was part of the plan to align the party behind conservatism. That worked decently as long as the people in charge of defining conservatism were sane, but too many of them have gone nuts since Obama was first elected.

It never worked, it may have postponed the inevitable but it’s also led the party into a demographic box canyon. Crippling liberal Republicans is why your party has zero outreach now with gay Americans. It’s why 70% of latinos voted against the GOP in 2016. It’s why in presidential elections the GOP hasn’t been able to crack 15% of the black vote for the last fifty years.

246 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:29:43pm

This should set more than a few wingnuts on edge:

247 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:30:51pm

Rip out their living guts, and then send their dismembered body parts to every state capitol.

248 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:31:33pm

re: #247 Vicious Babushka

Rip out their living guts, and then send their dismembered body parts to every state capitol.

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With votes.

249 sagehen  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:31:59pm

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

It never worked, it may have postponed the inevitable but it’s also led the party into a demographic box canyon. Crippling liberal Republicans is why your party has zero outreach now with gay Americans. It’s why 70% of latinos voted against the GOP in 2016. It’s why in presidential elections the GOP hasn’t been able to crack 15% of the black vote for the last fifty years.

It’s why Susan Eisenhower, Colin Powell, Charlie Crist and Linc Chafee all endorsed Obama.

250 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:32:29pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

With votes.

Well of course I meant that figuratively.

251 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:35:02pm

re: #211 goddamnedfrank

I refuse to watch The Hobbit.

Splitting LOTR into three films made sense since the story has been split into three parts for decades. Trying to make a trilogy out of The Hobbit was a stupid idea from the start. Thanks, but no.

252 sagehen  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:35:27pm

re: #244 klys

So, and again, this is out of curiousity, Dark: what do you define as conservatism?

I won’t try to define it, but I’ll offer Norm Ornstein and Bruce Bartlett as examples; the rest of the Republican party used to consider them conservatives too.

The Republicans hate them now.

253 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:36:00pm

re: #247 Vicious Babushka

Rip out their living guts, and then send their dismembered body parts to every state capitol.

re: #248 Decatur Deb

With votes.

re: #250 Vicious Babushka

Well of course I meant that figuratively.

I say bundle each body part with copies of the canceled checks from big money “supporters” that they cashed.

/

254 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:36:02pm

re: #250 Vicious Babushka

Well of course I meant that figuratively.

Regardless of how satisfying it would be to see it done to Ted Cruz literally. But actually, I appreciate Ted Cruz. His tactics have done more damage to the GOP than anything since the financial crisis torpedoed McCain/Palin in 2008.

255 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:37:05pm

re: #251 Lidane

I refuse to watch The Hobbit.

Splitting LOTR into three films made sense since the story has been split into three parts for decades. Trying to make a trilogy out of The Hobbit was a stupid idea from the start. Thanks, but no.

Stupid artistically, maybe. But financially they are thinking 3 movies = $3 billion.

256 Ming  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:37:06pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

I can hardly believe this is a real issue in 2013.

It’s worth re-emphasizing that if someone is honestly anguished by abortion, they should welcome contraception, since contraception reduces the number of unwanted pregnancies.

257 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:37:27pm

re: #252 sagehen

258 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:38:03pm

re: #257 jaunte

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They have no shame.

259 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:38:33pm

re: #257 jaunte

I truly believe that if Dole, Powell or Bush 41 spoke out forcefully it would shame the crazies destroying their party into submission.
— Bruce Bartlett (@BruceBartlett) October 16, 2013

You have to have a conscience and a functional sense of right and wrong before you can be shamed.

260 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:40:40pm

re: #257 jaunte

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Seriously? They think all three are RINOs, part of the establishment they were elected to destroy, so why would any or all speaking out make them feel the least bit of shame?

261 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:42:10pm

re: #250 Vicious Babushka

Well of course I meant that figuratively.

Oh, well, if I’d known it was FIGURATIVELY, I wouldn’t have updinged you.
///90%, maybe 80%

262 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:42:22pm

re: #234 klys

Very few films use 3D well. Gravity I have heard is one, to go with Avatar (which I did see and approve of) and Hugo (I didn’t see, but husband approved).

…that’s pretty much the list there.

Avatar made me physically ill, and not because of the predictable script. I was literally disoriented and physically hurting when it was over, and the effects lasted longer than the film.

I’ve been very picky about 3D since.

263 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:42:52pm

Bruce Bartlett is tweeting up a storm.

264 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:43:23pm

re: #241 SpaceJesus

Can’t wait till the 2016 GOP primaries

I’m thinking Rand Paul might get the nod. A think candy coating of libertarian rhetoric around a gooey center of generic “conservatism”. With a bit of coaching they can sell him as a “Hope and Change”-type gimmick.
Wgo gets the Dem nod? Hillary seems the most likely to me but she’s going to be a tough sell to the progressive base. Dems might have an enthusiasm problem next time around unless they can find someone more dynamic buy I suppose they can always fall back on fear of the Tea Party if they’re running against Paul.

265 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:44:03pm

re: #244 klys

So, and again, this is out of curiousity, Dark: what do you define as conservatism?

the republican technique has been to not define conservatism, except to identify it with platitudes that nobody could object to “freedom”, “independence”, etc…

…but rather to redefine “liberalism” as any bad, objectionable, ridiculous thing that ever occurred, was rumored to have happened, or was simply concocted out of thin air

then “conservatism” can be thought of as merely common sense, while “liberals” are left wondering why the beginning of every political argument consists of their being told that they “worship government and are plotting to make all americans dependent on it”

because, you know, we progressives “love stalin”, therefore QED and shut up

266 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:44:06pm

re: #249 sagehen

It’s why Susan Eisenhower, Colin Powell, Charlie Crist and Linc Chafee all endorsed Obama.

It’s also, conversely, why even quasi, stealth GOP moderates can no longer be trusted to do what they explicitly say they’re going to do. It’s why Mark Kirk couldn’t honor his own promise to vote for and not support a filibuster of a clean CR on the debt ceiling.

On Oct. 7, a Kirk’s office confirmed Kirk would vote for a “clean” Senate bill to lift the debt ceiling, that is, one with no strings attached and would vote for “cloture,” that is, making a bill filibuster-proof so it could advance for debate. The Saturday vote was on the “cloture” question.

After making the statement the and putting himself out there Kirk had clearly hoped that some other GOP Senators would support him, like McCain, or Collins. Instead the party voted in lockstep and Kirk, forced to choose between his own personal integrity and adherence to his party, chose the latter.

And the irony is that the 14 month clean extension of the debt ceiling was easily the best option for the GOP, period. Because now, in going for a short term deal, they’ve put themselves in a situation where they’re guaranteed to piss off the electorate again just as primary season starts. Then probably again for the general. They had a clear opportunity to put this behind them, but they let their own ideology, again, totally fuck up the battlefield for the foreseeable future.

267 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:44:32pm

I wanna know the over/under on the number of GOP representatives with a hangover tomorrow.

268 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:45:29pm

re: #265 dog philosopher

the republican technique has been to not define conservatism, except to identify it with platitudes that nobody could object to “freedom”, “independence”, etc…

…but rather to redefine “liberalism” as any bad, objectionable, ridiculous thing that ever occurred, was rumored to have happened, or was simply concocted out of thin air

then “conservatism” can be thought of as merely common sense, while “liberals” are left wondering why the beginning of every political argument consists of their being told that they “worship government and are plotting to make all americans dependent on it”

because, you know, we progressives “love stalin”, therefore QED and shut up

Define “Liberalism” as anything bad, then define Conservatism as the opposite of that.

269 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:46:04pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

I’m thinking Rand Paul might get the nod. A think candy coating of libertarian rhetoric around a gooey center of generic “conservatism”. With a bit of coaching they can sell him as a “Hope and Change”-type gimmick.
Wgo gets the Dem nod? Hillary seems the most likely to me but she’s going to be a tough sell to the progressive base. Dems might have an enthusiasm problem next time around unless they can find someone more dynamic buy I suppose they can always fall back on fear of the Tea Party if they’re running against Paul.

You really don’t get women, like at all. Do you?

270 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:46:27pm

by the way, here’s a freeper thread wherein they get the bad news and commence the whining

271 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:46:36pm

re: #262 Lidane

Avatar made me physically ill, and not because of the predictable script. I was literally disoriented and physically hurting when it was over, and the effects lasted longer than the film.

I’ve been very picky about 3D since.

Out of curiosity, then, have there been films that you’ve seen in 3D that haven’t made you ill? Or is that just a general response you have to films in 3D? (I have friends like that.)

I don’t find that the 3D makes me sick, but it 99 out of 100 films it’s been used in, it adds nothing if not detracting from the experience. Avatar (for me) was one of the few films that felt improved having seen it in 3D.

272 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:46:44pm

re: #268 Assless ChapJockey

Define “Liberalism” as anything bad, then define Conservatism as the opposite of that.

See: fiscal conservatism

273 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:46:59pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

I’m thinking Rand Paul might get the nod. A think candy coating of libertarian rhetoric around a gooey center of generic “conservatism”. With a bit of coaching they can sell him as a “Hope and Change”-type gimmick.
Wgo gets the Dem nod? Hillary seems the most likely to me but she’s going to be a tough sell to the progressive base. Dems might have an enthusiasm problem next time around unless they can find someone more dynamic buy I suppose they can always fall back on fear of the Tea Party if they’re running against Paul.

I think the GOP establishment falls in line behind Christie and he gets the nod over the pack of howler monkeys. As the first major party female nominee for President, there will be plenty of enthusiasm for Hillary.

274 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:47:28pm

re: #272 Aqua Obama

See: fiscal conservatism

anything that allows businessmen to make money as fast as possible

275 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:48:33pm

re: #269 goddamnedfrank

You really don’t get women, like at all. Do you?

Sarah Palin supporters used to accuse me of that too.

276 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:48:49pm

re: #271 klys

Out of curiosity, then, have there been films that you’ve seen in 3D that haven’t made you ill? Or is that just a general response you have to films in 3D? (I have friends like that.)

I don’t find that the 3D makes me sick, but it 99 out of 100 films it’s been used in, it adds nothing if not detracting from the experience. Avatar (for me) was one of the few films that felt improved having seen it in 3D.

Gravity is supposed to make you sick—it’s all about the universe tumbling about you while you translate Russian and Chinese.

277 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:49:18pm

re: #271 klys

Out of curiosity, then, have there been films that you’ve seen in 3D that haven’t made you ill? Or is that just a general response you have to films in 3D? (I have friends like that.)

I don’t find that the 3D makes me sick, but it 99 out of 100 films it’s been used in, it adds nothing if not detracting from the experience. Avatar (for me) was one of the few films that felt improved having seen it in 3D.

Though it wasn’t in 3D, the jerky hand-held camera work in The Blair Witch Project made me hurl.

278 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:50:09pm

I just referred someone to join LGF to be enlightened on the issues of the corrupt, self-serving Glenn Greenwald.

Also, I am in Oklahoma. Again,

279 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:50:45pm

re: #273 aagcobb

I think the GOP establishment falls in line behind Christie and he gets the nod over the pack of howler monkeys. As the first major party female nominee for President, there will be plenty of enthusiasm for Hillary.

Christie’s not a bad pick. I’m not sure how much baggage he has but he can think on his feet. Probably a good debater.

280 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:51:47pm

I might have to avoid seeing ‘Gravity’ in any theater that’s too involving. I’ll never be an astronaut, for the same reason I’ll never be a sailor. Hell, I can’t even read while riding in a car!

281 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:52:32pm

re: #279 Killgore Trout

Christie’s not a bad pick. I’m not sure how much baggage he has but he can think on his feet. Probably a good debater.

The asshole factor will not work on a non-GOP audience, however.

282 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:52:37pm

re: #271 klys

Out of curiosity, then, have there been films that you’ve seen in 3D that haven’t made you ill? Or is that just a general response you have to films in 3D? (I have friends like that.)

I don’t find that the 3D makes me sick, but it 99 out of 100 films it’s been used in, it adds nothing if not detracting from the experience. Avatar (for me) was one of the few films that felt improved having seen it in 3D.

Most of the ones I’ve seen have been fine. I might get a slight headache or something, but it goes away quickly.

Avatar was a whole new level of painful. I had never felt anything like that at all. I’d eaten a full meal more than an hour before the film, but after it was over I felt like I hadn’t eaten in days. I was dizzy and couldn’t find my balance at first, and once I did nothing tasted right and everything hurt.

Avatar was like having the worst hangover of your life while ALSO having a migraine and sea sickness at the same time. It was awful.

283 sagehen  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:52:49pm

re: #153 Lidane

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According to Josh Marshall, that’s Ted’s freshman year college roommate.

284 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:53:06pm
A new national poll in the battle for the 2016 Democratic and Republican presidential nominations indicates what you would expect: Hillary Clinton is the overwhelming Democratic frontrunner, and there’s no real leader among the possible GOP White House hopefuls.

But if you get beyond the obvious, the CNN/ORC International survey released Monday becomes more revealing.

It showed 65% of Democrats and independents who lean toward that party say they would likely back Clinton as their presidential nominee. Vice President Joe Biden comes in a distant second, at 10%, with freshman Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts at 7%, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at 6%, and Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley at 2%.

That level of support more than two years before primaries begin is absolutely unheard of. The idea that Clinton, who supports the ACA, is going to have trouble uniting the Democratic party base in 2016 is simply ridiculous.

285 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:53:15pm

I don’t think Hillary Clinton will have any problem with enthusiasm. She isn’t Al Gore, and Rand Paul doesn’t even have the broad appeal of a George W. Bush.

286 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:53:34pm

re: #282 Lidane

Most of the ones I’ve seen have been fine. I might get a slight headache or something, it goes away quickly.

Avatar was a whole new level of painful. I had never felt anything like that at all. I’d eaten a full meal more than an hour before the film, but after it was over I felt like I hadn’t eaten in days. I was dizzy and couldn’t find my balance at first, and once I did nothing tasted right and everything hurt.

Avatar was like having the worst hangover of your life while ALSO having a migraine and sea sickness at the same time. It was awful.

Weird. Huh. I’m sorry it ended up feeling that way. :(

287 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:54:25pm

re: #282 Lidane

Most of the ones I’ve seen have been fine. I might get a slight headache or something, it goes away quickly.

Avatar was a whole new level of painful. I had never felt anything like that at all. I’d eaten a full meal more than an hour before the film, but after it was over I felt like I hadn’t eaten in days. I was dizzy and couldn’t find my balance at first, and once I did nothing tasted right and everything hurt.

Avatar was like having the worst hangover of your life while ALSO having a migraine and sea sickness at the same time. It was awful.

Simulator Sickness—some pilots are grounded for a time after a good wringing out.

siggraph.org

288 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:55:17pm

re: #279 Killgore Trout

Christie’s not a bad pick. I’m not sure how much baggage he has but he can think on his feet. Probably a good debater.

we’ll see how he does when sharing a stage with a ted cruz who will be sure to confront him with a bunch of infuriating horseshit which will strain christie’s ability to hold his temper

on the other hand maybe christie will find the most effective opportunity to tell ted to shove it up his ass, and really make it stick

that might be fun

289 Aqua Obama  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:55:23pm

re: #287 Decatur Deb

Simulator Sickness—some pilots are grounded for a time after a good wringing out.

siggraph.org

A new word!

nauscogenic

290 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:55:36pm

re: #173 EPR-radar

Seen on the net

I think they worship Khorne, personally.

291 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:56:02pm

re: #281 Assless ChapJockey

The asshole factor will not work on a non-GOP audience, however.

I don’t know about that. We like assholes assertive personalities in this country.

292 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:56:25pm

re: #279 Killgore Trout

Christie’s not a bad pick. I’m not sure how much baggage he has but he can think on his feet. Probably a good debater.

He’s another bigot that won’t even be able to carry his own state and is deeply hated by his party’s base. A less viable Romney. Unless the Tea Party splits off officially from the GOP before the primaries begin there’s no way he takes the nomination.

293 klys  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:56:40pm

re: #288 dog philosopher

we’ll see how he does when sharing a stage with a ted cruz who will be sure to confront him with a bunch of infuriating horseshit which will strain christie’s ability to hold his temper

on the other hand maybe christie will find the most effective opportunity to tell ted to shove it up his ass, and really make it stick

that might be fun

I would enjoy seeing Christie lose his temper at Cruz and Paul. Good popcorn entertainment.

Of course, I would really like this to be in some context other than the presidential primary, because I would actually like a sane second party.

294 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:56:44pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

I’m thinking Rand Paul might get the nod. A think candy coating of libertarian rhetoric around a gooey center of generic “conservatism”. With a bit of coaching they can sell him as a “Hope and Change”-type gimmick.

And that’s all the presumed Paul campaign would have: a lame-ass gimmick, because anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together and that has been paying attention the past three years ain’t gonna buy what he’s selling.

Wgo gets the Dem nod? Hillary seems the most likely to me but she’s going to be a tough sell to the progressive base. Dems might have an enthusiasm problem next time around unless they can find someone more dynamic buy I suppose they can always fall back on fear of the Tea Party if they’re running against Paul.

I have no problem, in the absence of another solid Democratic candidate, pulling the lever for Hillary if she decides to run, but my only real concern with her is her age; she’s in her mid-60s and the presidency just tends to suck the vim and vigor of its occupants and make them old before their time, a phenomenon that’s gotten worse with time.

(And, for the record, that was a concern of mine with McCain as well.)

295 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:57:14pm

re: #262 Lidane

Avatar made me physically ill, and not because of the predictable script. I was literally disoriented and physically hurting when it was over, and the effects lasted longer than the film.

I’ve been very picky about 3D since.

Gravity is one of those things you really should see in 3D on the big screen.

Really. You have never experienced anything like this.

296 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:58:25pm

re: #291 Killgore Trout

I don’t know about that. We like assholes assertive personalities in this country.

Ask Al Gore how well that worked in 2001. But seriously, there’s assertive, and there’s being a dick, and then there’s being a dick to a woman.

297 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:59:03pm

re: #289 Aqua Obama

A new word!

One of the little perks of our job was a shot at a multi-axis Apache Longbow simulator as a reward for performance. I was many times a smoking hole.

298 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:59:22pm

re: #295 Aunty Entity Dragon

Will have to try after I am unsick.

My dad has respiratory issues, and will catch the slightest thing.

I’m more resilient, but still caught whatever satanic cold bug this is that came from him.

I feel woozy,

299 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:00:50pm
300 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:01:11pm

re: #284 goddamnedfrank

re: #294 AlexRogan

I think it’s early days to be picking a candidate, regardless of age.

301 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:01:32pm

re: #294 AlexRogan

I actually preferred Hillary over Obama but for some reason just can’t seem to muster any enthusiasm for her.

302 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:01:50pm

re: #297 Decatur Deb

One of the little perks of our job was a shot at a multi-axis Apache Longbow simulator as a reward for performance. I was many times a smoking hole.

“Apache Longbow” is a funny name, to us selfbowyers. No trees that are good for bows grow in longbow lengths anywhere Apaches lived.

303 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:02:47pm

re: #301 Killgore Trout

I actually preferred Hillary over Obama but for some reason just can’t seem to muster any enthusiasm for her.

///Clealry your contrarian powers are drained dry by the prospect of being given what asked for. ;)

304 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:03:59pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I see Hillary. I think the GOP field is going to be much funner to watch this time around due to the fact that we are missing Romney’s inevitability.

305 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:05:16pm

Running against Obamacare in 2016 isn’t going to be like being against it was last year, and Romney lost last year. Millions of Americans will have been on it for almost two years when they vote for the next President. The ones, like me, with pre-existing conditions aren’t going to like being told to fuck off and die, no matter what our original party affiliation is.

And that’s just one issue. If the Tea Party base stays attached to the GOP like the metastatic cancer they are, then candidates are going to have to answer questions about repealing DADT, an constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, contraception and reproductive care. All issues that caused them to lose the Presidency last time around, issues where the long term national public opinion trend line is moving inexorably away from them.

They have negative outreach to black, gays, latinos, and women. I’m trying to come up with an adverb that properly conveys the exact degree to which they are fucked, and it’s.just.not.coming.to.me.

306 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:05:47pm

re: #295 Aunty Entity Dragon

Gravity is one of those things you really should see in 3D on the big screen.

Really. You have never experienced anything like this.

Gravity is one of those films I’ll risk it for. It looks amazing.

307 Mattand  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:06:54pm

re: #292 goddamnedfrank

He’s another bigot that won’t even be able to carry his own state and is deeply hated by his party’s base. A less viable Romney. Unless the Tea Party splits off officially from the GOP before the primaries begin there’s no way he takes the nomination.

Broken record time: based on the hero worship some of my neighbors lavish on CC, I wouldn’t write off my lovable gov’s POTUS chances. He’s more than likely going to landslide the election next month, and that’s by voters who’ve been watching his asshole act for years now.

The rest of the country has deluded themselves into seeing him as Captain Bipartisan, and by that point, many of them will have forgotten the current drama we’re in. In other words: “Let’s vote a Republican in! They’ve never done anything insane before!”

The statement that Clinton is going to have problems getting the Democratic Party accepting her is fucking idiotic, though.

308 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:08:09pm

Although president Paul nominating a guy dressed as Thomas Jefferson to the Supreme Court in 2017 would be pretty funny.

309 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:08:12pm

re: #302 Assless ChapJockey

“Apache Longbow” is a funny name, to us selfbowyers. No trees that are good for bows grow in longbow lengths anywhere Apaches lived.

The name was assembled over time. First was the Apache, then the Longbow model evolved years later.

Image: 230542-Berserker.jpg

310 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:10:44pm

re: #305 goddamnedfrank

The one’s, like me, with pre-existing conditions aren’t going to like being told to fuck off and die, no matter what our original party affiliation is.

I just don’t see them ever being able to make a believable argument to counter that.

311 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:13:43pm

re: #310 jaunte

The right wing is terribly concerned that this is going to morph into single payer and then we’ll all be able to get medical attention dead.

312 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:14:04pm

re: #307 Mattand

Broken record time: based on the hero worship some of my neighbors lavish on CC, I wouldn’t write off my lovable gov’s POTUS chances. He’s more than likely going to landslide the election next month, and that’s by voters who’ve been watching his asshole act for years now.

The rest of the country has deluded themselves into seeing him as Captain Bipartisan, and by that point, many of them will have forgotten the current drama we’re in. In other words: “Let’s vote a Republican in! They’ve never done anything insane before!”

The statement that Clinton is going to have problems getting the Democratic Party is fucking idiotic, though.

Christie’s biggest problem is that he can’t run by himself. His own state is so blue and he’s never faced a really charismatic challenger, he’s not well tested and is likely to lose NJ in a general election to Clinton. So he’s got to pick a running mate that guarantees a big swing state like Florida or Ohio, or locks in Texas (though if the GOP can’t just assume Texas is theirs, they’re boned anyway.)

If he picks Rubio the wingnuts will hate the ticket even more. So he almost has to pick some very conservative, deep fried dumbshit, and then own all that guy’s garbage.

313 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:14:35pm

re: #311 calochortus

The right wing is terribly concerned that this is going to morph into single payer and then we’ll all be able to get medical attention dead Italian.

314 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:16:01pm

re: #313 Decatur Deb

Well, even I draw the line somewhere…

315 jaunte  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:17:27pm

I’ll be Tuscan.

316 darthstar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:17:42pm

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317 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:17:55pm
318 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:19:57pm

Rep. Slaughter Grills GOP Official Over Rule Change ‘Atrocity’ That Rigged Shutdown

A GOP aide told CNN that the rule “basically prevents [Minority] Leader [Nancy] Pelosi from hijacking the floor since the Senate refused to go to conference.”

Session responded to Slaughter by saying that Republican leadership had made the change “to get our people together… We’re trying to actually have a conference.”

He added that under the old rule, “there could be a privileged motion at any time.”

“I think you’ve taken that away,” Slaughter observed.

“That’s what I’m saying,” Sessions agreed. “We took that away.”

319 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:20:06pm

Good evening Lizards.

Back from four days off-line spent down in Wilmington, NC. Come back and see the Federal scene is unchanged. Government shut-down, GOP House leadership dicking around, and right up to the debt ceiling as surmised by many.

Had a blast and will put up some photos in the next few days. Walked on multiple beaches, toured a WW2 battleship (USS North Carolina), and also visits to a Civil War fort/battle site (Fort Fisher), an aquarium, and some other locations. Also saw the biggest squirrel I’ve ever seen in the wild (Fox Squirrel - that’s a lot of tree rat!)

320 calochortus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:23:43pm

My brother just showed up, so I will be enjoying a nice glass of wine and some Republican-bashing for the rest of the evening

Hasta Mañana, lizards.

321 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:24:30pm

re: #317 Lidane

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This is also pretty much the end of Boehner’s credibility as Speaker. When push comes to shove, he’s leading only two things: Jack and Shit. I’ll be surprised if he’s still Speaker in six months time.

322 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:25:50pm

re: #317 Lidane

when do the winger tears begin

323 Lidane  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:26:49pm
324 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:27:27pm

re: #323 Lidane

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How brave they get when the end is in sight. *rolls eyes*

325 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:28:09pm

Sexy, sexy song right here. Bruno Mars.

Youtube Video

Maybe he can remind Republican men how it is better to get along with the wyymen, overall.

326 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:28:55pm

re: #320 calochortus

Enjoy the pinata!

327 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:29:50pm

river in egypt

Facts are that conservatives HAVE disrupted business as usual, haven’t caved as usual, and everything is up in the air.

I don’t want sweet fairy tales, and I don’t listen to Rush.

What I want is for so-called conservatives to knock off the defeatist talk and borrowing trouble. Because that DOES affect morale.

It’s not over until it’s over. You are calling the game early. Like the liberal media is trying to do.

328 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:32:16pm

That’s another thing that’s gonna make me grind my teeth into powder, the inevitable rush of “moderate” Republicans to the press after the House votes to tell about how they always knew the shutdown was a bad idea and how they were willing to end it days ago…while the discharge petition started by Democrats still sits at 196 signatures, all from Democrats.

Seriously, nobody tell me ever again that there are “moderate” Republicans. There is no such beast anymore. There’s just “Good Republicans,” the happy little cowards who will nod along to whatever the Tea Party says in the hope that they don’t fall prey to a primary challenger.

329 Mattand  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:36:24pm

re: #328 Targetpractice

That’s another thing that’s gonna make me grind my teeth into powder, the inevitable rush of “moderate” Republicans to the press after the House votes to tell about how they always knew the shutdown was a bad idea and how they were willing to end it days ago…while the discharge petition started by Democrats still sits at 196 signatures, all from Democrats.

Seriously, nobody tell me ever again that there are “moderate” Republicans. There is no such beast anymore. There’s just “Good Republicans,” the happy little cowards who will nod along to whatever the Tea Party says in the hope that they don’t fall prey to a primary challenger.

Thank you.

330 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:36:52pm

Aides: Senate leaders will not announce deal Tuesday on bill to raise debt ceiling, funding government - @Reuters

not??

331 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:38:35pm

re: #312 goddamnedfrank

Christie’s biggest problem is that he can’t run by himself. His own state is so blue and he’s never faced a really charismatic challenger, he’s not well tested and is likely to lose NJ in a general election to Clinton. So he’s got to pick a running mate that guarantees a big swing state like Florida or Ohio, or locks in Texas (though if the GOP can’t just assume Texas is theirs, they’re boned anyway.)

If he picks Rubio the wingnuts will hate the ticket even more. So he almost has to pick some very conservative, deep fried dumbshit, and then own all that guy’s garbage.

Personally, I’d like to see Christie say, “fuck em, its not like they are going to vote for Hillary” and go ahead and pick Rubio. Romney proved that embracing the extremists is fatal to your general election chances.

332 freetoken  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:38:51pm

re: #315 jaunte

There was a time when there was a big argument over whether photography was “art”, and one of the criticisms was that photography was for those who wanted to emulate oil painting but couldn’t do it.

333 freetoken  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:41:11pm

From the same denomination that the Biologos crowd used to come from:

CREATION MOVIE CENTRAL TO CHURCH IDENTITY IS KEY TO 2014 EVANGELISM

[…]

In addition to reaching non-believers, the four-years-in-the-making movie by Adventist filmmaker Henry Stober, it can also send a message to a few vocal critics inside the church who have questioned the Seventh-day Adventist fundamental belief in a literal, six-day creation.

[…]

334 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:43:20pm

re: #317 Lidane

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This part of the article is really funny:

Which is to say, I missed the all-important “let’s briefly pause so Boehner can flail helplessly while the entire world looks on in horror before we officially end this thing” step in the process.

335 freetoken  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:43:23pm

Correction: The Biologos crowd comes from the Nazarenes, not the Adventists.

It’s so easy to confuse all these denominations.

336 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:45:06pm

Where can I buy a Fez?

337 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:45:40pm

re: #266 goddamnedfrank

It’s also, conversely, why even quasi, stealth GOP moderates can no longer be trusted to do what they explicitly say they’re going to do. It’s why Mark Kirk couldn’t honor his own promise to vote for and not support a filibuster of a clean CR on the debt ceiling.

After making the statement the and putting himself out there Kirk had clearly hoped that some other GOP Senators would support him, like McCain, or Collins. Instead the party voted in lockstep and Kirk, forced to choose between his own personal integrity and adherence to his party, chose the latter.

And the irony is that the 14 month clean extension of the debt ceiling was easily the best option for the GOP House members. Because now, in going for a short term deal, they’ve put themselves in a situation where they’re guaranteed to piss off the electorate again just as primary season starts. Then probably again for the general. They had a clear opportunity to put this behind them, but they let their own ideology, again, totally fuck up the battlefield for the foreseeable future.

He’s my local Rep. Never again if I can help it.

338 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:49:11pm

re: #166 Assless ChapJockey

loved this comment:

Russ says:

October 15, 2013 at 8:30 pm
.
They are political people mentally owned by religion.
Their religion is controlled by others in their bubble.
The others have done a great job capturing their hatred of all items not them

339 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:49:44pm

Short-term extensions, on the hope that they can somehow accomplish in two months what they couldn’t in 3 years and pressure the President into signing off the repeal of his major domestic accomplishment just to appease a pack of shitheels who don’t even think he’s an American. Mark my words, in two months time, we’ll be right back exactly here, only then it’ll be in the midst of the Christmas shopping season when the GOP decides that they want to pressure the nation into another shutdown unless their demands are met.

340 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:51:24pm

re: #336 ProTARDISLiberal

Where can I buy a Fez?

In Fez, probably.

341 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:52:15pm

Bryan being delusional again.

342 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:53:40pm

re: #340 Decatur Deb

In Fez, probably.

I never forget a fez.

343 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:54:31pm

Apparently, in the 50th, Rose may be just a cameo, with Elizabeth I (!?) serving as the opening companion.

Oh, this will be fun! No dim-witted yutz in here much now.

Though, why we have a relatively tall brunette women named Osgood wearing a lab coat, Harry Potter glasses, and the 4th’s Scarf in the plot is interesting.

344 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 8:55:07pm

re: #339 Targetpractice

Short-term extensions, on the hope that they can somehow accomplish in two months what they couldn’t in 3 years and pressure the President into signing off the repeal of his major domestic accomplishment just to appease a pack of shitheels who don’t even think he’s an American. Mark my words, in two months time, we’ll be right back exactly here, only then it’ll be in the midst of the Christmas shopping season when the GOP decides that they want to pressure the nation into another shutdown unless their demands are met.

Exactly; we get the pleasure of watching the Republicans eat each other again.

345 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:01:50pm

re: #340 Decatur Deb

Fez is a bit of a journey.

I am a little excited for QE1 as the companion.

That also means that we are likely seeing a 10th Doctor from between “The Waters of Mars” and “The End of Time.”

346 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:05:32pm

re: #341 wheat-dogghazi

does this man have any idea how anything works

347 Kragar  Tue, Oct 15, 2013 9:13:56pm

re: #335 freetoken

Correction: The Biologos crowd comes from the Nazarenes, not the Adventists.

It’s so easy to confuse all these denominations.

Nah. Its easy. There are Catholics and there are splitters. Easy peasey.
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348 Aqua Obama  Wed, Oct 16, 2013 6:16:55am

re: #336 ProTARDISLiberal

Where can I buy a Fez?

fez-o-rama.com


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