170 Million Years in the Making, Only Seconds to Destroy - Updated

A Sad Defacement of Goblin Valley by Alleged Scout Leaders.
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Authorities in Utah are considering criminal charges against a group of men who gleefully shoved a boulder off its perch in a state park — and disturbed a rock formation that park officials say is 170 million years old.

The men, identified by The Salt Lake Tribune as Boy Scout leaders, recorded the antics, and cheered and high-fived after they toppled the rock. As one of the men was jostling the boulder loose, the cameraman sang a 1990 dance-party hit: “Wiggle it — just a little bit.”

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“Some little kid was about ready to walk down here and die,” the cameraman says, “and Glenn saved his life by getting the boulder out of the way.” Glenn is shown striking a pro wrestling-style strongman pose.

“We have now modified Goblin Valley,” says the cameraman, identified by local news outlets as Dave Hall.

Utah authorities did not see it that way. County and state prosecutors are considering criminal charges, Eugene Swalberg, a spokesman for the Utah state parks, told the Deseret News newspaper.

“This is not behavior that is appreciated or should exist in state parks,” he said. “This has been formed for literally millions of years, and it’s supposed to last for a long time. It doesn’t need individuals doing the work of Mother Nature.”
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This is just sad. I have been to Goblin valley and my reason for going was of course to see the “goblins” (or hoodoos) that it is named for. For these clowns to come along and destroy one of the formations and then to rationalize it as being to protect others is just ignorant. The rock has been there for 170 million years without injuring anyone, it probably would have stood for thousands of years more without injuring anyone.

Watching the video I certainly get the impression from the whoops and posturing that this was done for fun and not for safety reasons. The rationalization about safety only comes afterwards, after the man has to strain mightily and put his own body into a very unsafe position to budge the supposedly “unsafe” rock.

Someday, hundreds or thousands of years from now, in a rare heavy desert rain storm the rock’s underpinnings would have eroded just enough more to allow it to fall. In the meantime many thousands of more people could have seen and appreciated it as a part of a beautiful and unique formation in a protected State park.

I hope that they stop “considering” charges against these men and actually file charges against them for defacing public property. A fair monetary fine should be levied to discourage others that might wish to take the place of nature and change the park as they see fit. It is just too bad that there is no safe way to make them put the rock back where it was to begin with. :(

Update: The rock pusher (Glenn Taylor) and his cameraman (Dave Hall) have issued a rather non-apologetic statement in which they decline any responsibility other than doing “the right thing in the wrong way.” They also lie about the way in which the rock was pushed over as you can see for yourself below.

“We came across this two- to three-thousand-pound boulder that was resting on about an inch-and-a-half-thick, razor-thin ledge of dirt,” Hall said. “Upon putting a little pressure on it, you could see that it was moving and just then a couple of families walked up right below that rock and went around it…and stopped for a family photo.

“And the thought that went through our minds was if this would have fallen while they were coming up that valley, up that very well-used walkway, numerous fatalities would have happened.” In retrospect, they say, they should have just told a ranger of the hazard. Instead, Taylor went up to the rock “and with one arm put a little bit of pressure on that [and] it went right over,” said Hall, who acted as cameraman.

The Utah Attorney General has issued a statement saying that he is declining to file any charges against either of the men. There has not yet been any statement by the county district attorney as to whether or not any charges will be filed against the men from his office.

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158 comments
1 Skip Intro  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:16:53am

Nice job, Fats. Did he spray paint his name nearby to commemorate his great achievement?

If I were the judge, assuming this gets to trial, I’d sentence him to six months of 12 hour days trying to get the rock back where it was before he vandalized it.

2 ausador  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 10:44:32am

In the local article the guy is saying that he is sure if they had gone and found a park ranger and shown him the rock he would have agreed that it wasn’t safe and would have agreed to allow them to push it over.

That assertion is kind of mind-boggling and speaks volumes about the level of intelligence used in their reasoning and that shown in the video. If they actually had found a ranger and managed to get him to agree that the rock was unsafe there is still no way he would have allowed a civilian to destroy the formation. Especially not while the civilian was placing himself in a position at risk of being crushed or maimed.

What any self-respecting park ranger would have told them was “Yeah, this rock is no longer resting on all that much and could become unstable soon. I’ll bring it to the park superintendents attention that we should put a sign in front of it warning people to stay back or perhaps put a wood railing up to keep kids from getting directly below it.”

These guys are supposedly Boy Scout Troop Leaders for goodness sake…what ever happened to “Leave No Trace Behind” when you are out in nature?

3 BusyMonster  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 11:00:28am

re: #1 Skip Intro

Nice job, Fats. Did he spray paint his name nearby to commemorate his great achievement?

If I were the judge, assuming this gets to trial, I’d sentence him to six months of 12 hour days trying to get the rock back where it was before he vandalized it.

That sounds about right. Also, THAT humiliation gets to be posted on Youtube for everyone to watch.

4 KiTA  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 11:09:11am

Oh come now. They’re white men in Utah, and probably members of the local cult.

They won’t face any charges. Hell, they won’t even be asked to stay out of the park.

5 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 11:10:54am

re: #2 ausador

In the local article the guy is saying that he is sure if they had gone and found a park ranger and shown him the rock he would have agreed that it wasn’t safe and would have agreed to allow them to push it over.

That assertion is kind of mind-boggling and speaks volumes about the level of intelligence used in their reasoning and that shown in the video. If they actually had found a ranger and managed to get him to agree that the rock was unsafe there is still no way he would have allowed a civilian to destroy the formation. Especially not while the civilian was placing himself in a position at risk of being crushed or maimed.

What any self-respecting park ranger would have told them was “Yeah, this rock is no longer resting on all that much and could become unstable soon. I’ll bring it to the park superintendents attention that we should put a sign in front of it warning people to stay back or perhaps put a wood railing up to keep kids from getting directly below it.”

These guys are supposedly Boy Scout Troop Leaders for goodness sake…what ever happened to “Leave No Trace Behind” when you are out in nature?

The only thing that would have made that video better would have been if it had fallen on one of those assholes and pinned him for four hours while his friends went to get help.

6 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 11:34:46am

Shmucks.

7 Timothy Watson  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 11:40:41am

Another example of white thug culture at work.

8 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 12:29:53pm

Exhibit A in why the NPS shut down the national parks: To protect the nation’s heritage and natural assets for future generations and from idiots like these who claim that this particular formation was a danger.

It was a danger only when people like this attempt to do idiotic things - like attempt to push over a huge boulder that could have topped on them, crushing and/or pinning them and causing serious injury or death.

It’s the same mindset among those who think that they can scribble graffiti on rock formations or other items in the parks, deface petrogylphs, or steal materials from the parks.

9 sizzzzlerz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 12:36:28pm

Do they give merit badges for being total douches? Throw the fucking book at these yahoos and ban them from ever visiting a public park again. Also, report them to the BSA headquarters with a recommendation to relieve them of their posts.

10 Sionainn  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 1:12:09pm

I’m livid.

11 steve_davis  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:55:55pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

Nice job, Fats. Did he spray paint his name nearby to commemorate his great achievement?

If I were the judge, assuming this gets to trial, I’d sentence him to six months of 12 hour days trying to get the rock back where it was before he vandalized it.

This actually happened in ancient Greece. Camus wrote an essay about it :-)

12 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 4:56:58pm

re: #11 steve_davis

This actually happened in ancient Greece. Camus wrote an essay about it :-)

That’s just a myth.

13 steve_davis  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:33:54pm

re: #12 Decatur Deb

That’s just a myth.

Next you’ll be telling me Oedipus didn’t really have a complex.

14 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 5:35:14pm

re: #13 steve_davis

Next you’ll be telling me Oedipus didn’t really have a complex.

Mofo didn’t know if he was coming or going.

15 jvic  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:00:55pm

Since these clowns are into rocks, they should be made to spend a few weeks making little ones out of big ones.

16 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:07:40pm

re: #9 sizzzzlerz

Do they give merit badges for being total douches? Throw the fucking book at these yahoos and ban them from ever visiting a public park again. Also, report them to the BSA headquarters with a recommendation to relieve them of their posts.

The Boy Scouts should take things a step further, IMO. They should suspend these two yahoos then tell them to come to the next large multi-troop gathering in Utah. At said gathering the two Yahoos should be subjected to a Degradation wherein their merit badges and awards are ripped off of their uniforms, and after that they should be thrown out on their ears.

17 theheat  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:29:27pm

This is what happens when America allows gays in the Boy Scouts. Total downfall of society.//

18 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 6:59:53pm

They’d still be giggling too about it if they hadn’t got busted. Shitheads.

19 dog philosopher  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:02:24pm

re: #11 steve_davis

This actually happened in ancient Greece. Camus wrote an essay about it :-)

waal the brits say the reason they stole the elgin marbles was because turkish soldiers were taking potshots at them

on the other hand the turkish soldiers are long gone and the statues are still in the brit museum

20 Lidane  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:12:28pm

re: #17 theheat

This is what happens when America allows gays in the Boy Scouts. Total downfall of society.//

You know what we have to do now. We need to sue homosexuality.

21 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:12:53pm

re: #2 ausador

In the local article the guy is saying that he is sure if they had gone and found a park ranger and shown him the rock he would have agreed that it wasn’t safe and would have agreed to allow them to push it over.

That assertion is kind of mind-boggling and speaks volumes about the level of intelligence used in their reasoning and that shown in the video. If they actually had found a ranger and managed to get him to agree that the rock was unsafe there is still no way he would have allowed a civilian to destroy the formation. Especially not while the civilian was placing himself in a position at risk of being crushed or maimed.

What any self-respecting park ranger would have told them was “Yeah, this rock is no longer resting on all that much and could become unstable soon. I’ll bring it to the park superintendents attention that we should put a sign in front of it warning people to stay back or perhaps put a wood railing up to keep kids from getting directly below it.”

These guys are supposedly Boy Scout Troop Leaders for goodness sake…what ever happened to “Leave No Trace Behind” when you are out in nature?

No shit, when I was in the Scouts, they were pretty anal retentive about making sure we didn’t do any sort of lasting damage and cleaning up everything we brought with us on the way out. Even after we’d folded up camp and put everything away, we were expected to go over the site several times to make sure not so much as a candy wrapper had been thrown on the ground.

How these fuckheads ever got to be Scout leaders, I’ll never know.

22 EPR-radar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:14:19pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

No shit, when I was in the Scouts, they were pretty anal retentive about making sure we didn’t do any sort of lasting damage and cleaning up everything we brought with us on the way out. Even after we’d folded up camp and put everything away, we were expected to go over the site several times to make sure not so much as a candy wrapper had been thrown on the ground.

How these fuckheads ever got to be Scout leaders, I’ll never know.

A politically correct view on the question of gays in scouting would be one easy way for a dipshit to become a scout leader, especially in UT.

23 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:16:08pm

re: #20 Lidane

OK then. Maybe we can sue stupidity. And being hungry. Somebody has to pay.

24 AlexRogan  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:17:40pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

No shit, when I was in the Scouts, they were pretty anal retentive about making sure we didn’t do any sort of lasting damage and cleaning up everything we brought with us on the way out. Even after we’d folded up camp and put everything away, we were expected to go over the site several times to make sure not so much as a candy wrapper had been thrown on the ground.

How these fuckheads ever got to be Scout leaders, I’ll never know.

If these two assholes were/are indeed registered Scouters, their council and National should give them the same kind of heave-ho these two jackasses decided to give that formation: swift and permanent.

As a Eagle Scout, a long-time Scouter, and someone who’s been to Philmont Scout Ranch four times over the past twenty years, this situation pisses me off to no end; what other damage have these two clowns done or condoned in other parks (or perhaps Philmont, if they’ve ever been)?

It also makes me wonder how they treat the Scouts in their charge.

25 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:21:19pm

What’s that saying? “Take only videos, leave only wanton destruction”?

VB nailed it. Schmucks.

26 b.d.  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:22:09pm

Mother Nature will win in the end.

How come I am reminded of the Taliban blowing up the ancient Buddha statue in Afghanistan?

27 b.d.  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:23:06pm

Those guys are going to be in a lot of trouble with the Boy Scouts if it turns out they’re gay.

28 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:26:00pm

It was there for 170 million years.
I don’t think it was going go anywhere anytime soon.

29 ausador  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:33:55pm

Just to point out how ridiculous the argument that “the rock wasn’t safe” is…

Unsafe Rocks Everywhere!

More Unsafe Rocks!

Holy Cow, How Unsafe Are Those?

Extremely Unsafe Rocks!

Does Not Look Very Safe Either!

I guess that in order to protect our citizens from nature we need to hire some contractors to remove all these obvious threats to public safety?

Then again, maybe people could simply be expected to exercise a bit of common sense and caution while out of doors in natural parkland. Perhaps that could allow us to preserve these natural spectacles for future generations…hmm?

30 dog philosopher  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:36:16pm

re: #29 ausador

Just to point out how ridiculous the argument that “the rock wasn’t safe” is…

Unsafe Rocks Everywhere!

More Unsafe Rocks!

Holy Cow, How Unsafe Are Those?

Extremely Unsafe Rocks!

Does Not Look Very Safe Either!

I guess that in order to protect our citizens from nature we need to hire some contractors to remove all these obvious threats to public safety?

Then again, maybe people could simply be expected to exercise a bit of common sense and caution while out of doors in natural parkland. Perhaps that could allow us to preserve these natural spectacles for future generations…hmm?

shouldn’t wiley e coyote be around somewhere?

31 bratwurst  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:41:30pm

I am pretty sure it is the job of Boy Scout leaders to PREVENT shenanigans like this.

32 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:42:58pm

re: #20 Lidane

You know what we have to do now. We need to sue homosexuality.

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The stupidity of that idea is jaw-dropping. But all the same, I’m quite sure some group of wingnuts will use the idea and sue GLADD. They’ll grift off money from other wingnuts for “legal expenses”, which they’ll proceed to pocket when the case gets thrown out on summary judgement.

There’s a sucker born every minute.

33 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:45:16pm

re: #30 dog philosopher

shouldn’t wiley e coyote be around somewhere?

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34 klys  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:56:17pm

The boat is in port but no results until tomorrow. She still had time to post a photo or two; I share one with you here: sunrise sailing the Chesapeake.

35 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 7:58:40pm
36 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:06:18pm

re: #34 klys

The boat is in port but no results until tomorrow. She still had time to post a photo or two; I share one with you here: sunrise sailing the Chesapeake.

One of my regrets from my lazy youth is not sailing more when offered the opportunity to do so with my father or others at the yacht club. Was only 14’ boats on an inland river/lake, but every time I get onto a sailboat since then (rarely) I greatly enjoy it.

37 klys  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:07:25pm

re: #36 Feline Fearless Leader

One of my regrets from my lazy youth is not sailing more when offered the opportunity to do so with my father or others at the yacht club. Was only 14’ boats on an inland river/lake, but every time I get onto a sailboat since then (rarely) I greatly enjoy it.

Then I will gift you with another one from her: get set…

38 freetoken  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:08:31pm

WHO CARES!!

GUBMINT SHOULDNT BE IN THE “PARK” BUSINESS ANYWAY.

OBAMA CLOSES OFF PARKS WITH BARRYCADES!

IDOLATORS WORSHIPPING ROCKS!

39 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:09:57pm

re: #38 freetoken

WHO CARES!!

GUBMINT SHOULDNT BE IN THE “PARK” BUSINESS ANYWAY.

OBAMA CLOSES OFF PARKS WITH BARRYCADES!

IDOLATORS WORSHIPPING ROCKS!

It’s all John Muir and Teddy Roosevelt’s fault!
/

Yosemite

40 ausador  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:10:57pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

I’ve been there, that is the “Rock of Cashel” a truly impressive bit of medieval architecture…

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41 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:11:02pm

Was beer involved? This stunt sounds like something drunken college boys try.

42 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:12:16pm

I miss sailing. I don’t miss owning a hole in the water that I throw money into, though.

43 klys  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:13:17pm

re: #42 Single-handed sailor

I miss sailing. I don’t miss owning a hole in the water that I throw money into, though.

That’s the beauty of it: it’s not her boat. Ship. Thing.

44 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:15:48pm

re: #42 Single-handed sailor

I miss sailing. I don’t miss owning a hole in the water that I throw money into, though.

I tried sailing. I was okay when we were sailing into the wind, but once we’d turn and run with the wind - mal de mer. Same reason I won’t see ‘Gravity’ in a 3D, IMAX theater. Not enough barf bags on a 747 for that!

45 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:17:23pm

Never saw this video last year, though I read the Harvard study it’s based on. A very well produced visual breakdown of wealth inequality in America:

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46 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:17:37pm

And along those lines mining interests wanted to dynamite this formation in order to dam the river…

Image: Devils_Post_Pile.jpg

47 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:19:31pm

This is from Wednesday, but I really think its still worth posting:

Photo of the day: ‘The salute seen around the world’

Though this Army Ranger’s right hand was heavily bandaged, a breathing tube jutted from his mouth, and he was lying in a hospital bed wounded and barely awake, Josh Hargis gave what many are calling “the salute seen around the world.”

Hargis, whose special operations unit is based out of Fort Benning, Georgia, was badly wounded when a woman detonated a suicide bomb vest in Panjwai in Kandahar Province on Oct. 6, acting as a catalyst to a series of other explosions, the Military Times reported.

Four members of Hargis’ 3rd Army Ranger Battalion were killed and 12 others were wounded from the blasts. Hargis was seriously wounded and survived for nearly two hours before transport brought him to a hospital.

The dedicated soldier had his picture snapped after he awoke in the Afghan military hospital. Over 50 people had gathered in the room to present Hargis with a Purple Heart, and according to a Facebook post from Hargis’ wife, Taylor Hargis, those present thought the badly injured Hargis to still be unconscious.

But as the ceremony commenced, Hargis, wrapped in a star-spangled red, white and blue blanket mustered the strength to present a salute to his commanding officer and everyone else in the room. As he brought his heavily bandaged hand into a saluting position, the wounded warrior brought nearly everyone to tears.

Army Ranger Josh Hargis giving a salute to his commanding officer and a room full of 50 people.

48 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:20:25pm

Oh Texas, fuck you so much:

Think Progress reports that as of November 5, Texans must show a photo ID with their up-to-date legal name. It sounds like such a small thing, but according to the Brennan Center for Justice, only 66% of voting age women have ready access to a photo document that will attest to proof of citizenship. This is largely because young women have not updated their documents with their married names, a circumstance that doesn’t affect male voters in any significant way. Suddenly 34% of women voters are scrambling for an acceptable ID, while 99% of men are home free.

As of November 5, a birth certificate is not enough. Women voters will have to show legal proof of a name change: a marriage license, a divorce decree, or court ordered change; and they have to be the original documents. No photocopies allowed. This means thousands of women face the hassle of figuring out what they need and how to get it. Then they face at least a $20 fee, more if a woman doesn’t have the time to stand in line and wants it mailed. As a result, many women who are eligible to vote, won’t.

49 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:22:42pm

Tea Party insult generator - pulled from actual comments on John Boehner’s facebook page.

clotureclub.com

50 EPR-radar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:22:43pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

That’ll teach them uppity wimmenfolk what happens to them for voting (D)

51 freetoken  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:23:20pm

Getting back the House stenographer, Mrs. Reidy, I’m not letting up on the issue of her actions not being a “breakdown” but something that is quite normal among the wingnut right.

For example, from yet another self-proclaimed “patriot” website:

Who was right? The Congressional Stenographer or the 87 Turncoat Republicans?

I was horrified last night as the Congressional stenographer was hauled out of the chambers during the “shut down” vote screaming, “ God will not be mocked. He will not be mocked. The greatest deception here is this is not one nation under God!” I was horrified because her outrage was well founded and her impassioned speech made me feel both empathetic and disturbed. Dianne Reidy obviously had her fill of working for representatives who do not reflect the soul of America and her parting words were chilling, the devil is here!

The spirit of Pythos is hanging heavily in the air over our nation’s capitol and is suffocating our politicians, one by one, with its powerful stranglehold. […]

One of the ways a familiar spirit attaches itself to a nation is when evil is legitimized and pronounced good. Once a politician convinces himself or herself that sin is justified for whatever reason, the Pythos spirit coyly attaches itself to that official and becomes his or her friend. The ripe smell of rotted, sinful, political flesh inside the Capitol building these days provides the perfect environment for this devil spirit to flourish. […]

We do not need to worry too much about our Pythos-spirited Congress and Senate, however, because it is mostly ineffective now and no longer running the bureaucratic dark comedy show.

Instead a covert Pythos shadow government is in full operation and the true leader of our unsuspecting, goodhearted country. Unelected Czars, appointed by Barry Soetoro, are heading up dozens of departments that are being utilized to push his Marxist agenda. Their high-level, untouchable status permits the Czars to spew falsehoods and have a platform on which to promote their progressive propaganda. The time-honored principles of God, family and country are quickly being replaced by these agnostics who deny there is even a God and who are busily creating programs meant to break down our culture, economy and sovereignty.


[…] Is Barry Soetoro vying for his own kingdom as well?

There were 87 Republican traitors on the floor of the House last night. We know who they are and will add them to our long list of party defector’s. […]

And there are plenty of commentators over their voicing their approval.

Reidy did not “breakdown”. She just spoke up, saying what many of her wingnut patriots believe.

Yet Reidy is quickly brushed under the rug by the big outlet talking heads. The “mainstream”, though I’m not sure what is mainstream anymore, refuses to acknowledge the elephant in the room, and this American’s God-problem.

52 Interesting Times  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:23:23pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Oh Texas, fuck you so much:

Then they face at least a $20 fee, more if a woman doesn’t have the time to stand in line and wants it mailed

How is that not a poll tax?? Voter ID advocates couldn’t be more bigoted if they tried.

53 ausador  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:23:28pm

re: #41 wheat-dogghazi

Was beer involved? This stunt sounds like something drunken college boys try.

No alcohol involved, they are LDS church members and Mormons are not allowed to drink alcohol.

Which also explains how they became scout leaders with their obvious lack of training. Reading about this on other sites has informed me that the LDS runs its own Boy Scout troops and rotates church members through assignments as troop leaders whether they have any qualifications or not.

Some ex-troop leader comments I read complained bitterly about how they are not allowed to stay as a troop leader even if they enjoyed it and had the experience required to be good at it. It seems being a troop leader is just a temp. assignment via the church, the same as being made to go on mission duty. :(

54 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:26:14pm

re: #53 ausador

No alcohol involved, they are LDS church members and Mormons are not allowed to drink alcohol.

Which also explains how they became scout leaders with their obvious lack of training. Reading about this on other sites has informed me that the LDS runs it’s own Boy Scout troops and rotates church members through assignments as troop leaders whether they have any qualifications or not.

Some ex-troop leader comments I read complained bitterly about how they are not allowed to stay as a troop leader even if they enjoyed it and had the experience required to be good at it. It seems being a troop leader is just a temp. assignment via the church, the same as being made to go on mission duty. :(

I saw an article expressing outrage by the upper levels of the BSA. Now the question is whether that is just predictable CYA squawking, or if they will follow through and actually take some sort of disciplinary action. It looks like the local and state authorities are going to give that a pass.

55 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:28:12pm

re: #49 darthstar

Tea Party insult generator - pulled from actual comments on John Boehner’s facebook page.

clotureclub.com

So they’re saying John Boehner is a man without conviction?

Youtube Video

56 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:30:20pm

Big sigh.

57 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:31:08pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

Yep…I see you caught the cloture club thing as well…there’s a metrosexual in there after all.

58 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:32:59pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Big sigh.

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9 years, and she’s still butthurt over the Throbbing Memo.

59 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:33:41pm

England better make sure to keep those dumbass Boy Scout leaders away from Stonehenge.

60 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:34:28pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Big sigh.

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Oh, because Rather didn’t do himself in. Uh huh.

61 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:34:31pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Big sigh.

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If you’d only left the right a few years earlier Bush would have been a one term president.
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62 Interesting Times  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:37:08pm

re: #61 darthstar

If you’d only left the right a few years earlier Bush would have been a one term president.

Think of him, then think of ted cruz, and marvel at how everything’s bigger in Texas, especially the ability of its wingnut voters to fuck up the entire world.

63 darthstar  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:38:09pm

Congratulations St. Louis on the National League Championship. See how much easier it is when you aren’t playing the Giants?

64 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:38:28pm

St Louis Cardinals headed for the World Series. Stomped the Dodgers 9-0 tonight to win the pennant.

65 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:40:54pm

re: #59 Mich-again

England better make sure to keep those dumbass Boy Scout leaders away from Stonehenge.

Hmm. How soon until the one guy pushing on the rock gets photoshopped into attempts to push over Stonehenge, the Leaning Tower of Pisa, the Washington Monument, and so forth?

66 ausador  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:44:17pm

re: #65 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. How soon until the one guy pushing on the rock gets photoshopped into attempts to push over Stonehenge, the Leaning Tower of Pisa, the Washington Monument, and so forth?

I’ve already seen one with the Leaning Tower of Pisa in a comment on the diary about this at Daily KOS.

67 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:45:40pm

re: #65 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. How soon until the one guy pushing on the rock gets photoshopped into attempts to push over Stonehenge, the Leaning Tower of Pisa, the Washington Monument, and so forth?

And keep him away from Mammoth Cave National Park. He’ll have the whole scout troop shoveling dirt into the hole.

68 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:46:55pm

Leave it to the leaders of a conservative organization to have an irrational fear of potential energy.

69 freetoken  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:50:16pm

Keeping an ear on the now-fracked ground of American backwater-ville, the hate right is stirring up hopes of secession.

Chuck Baldwin’s latest screed is an appeal to take secession seriously, around the country.


Will this be the next step for the Tea Partying patriots? Now that we have seen how dogmatic the tea partying right will go in Congress, will secessionism be the next hot movement?

70 bratwurst  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:51:20pm

Looks like Twitter is doing the Benghazi boogaloo tonight!

#JusticeForBenghazi4

Fortunately, a decent percentage of what you will see there is along these lines:

71 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 8:53:26pm

re: #70 bratwurst

Looks like Twitter is doing the Benghazi boogaloo tonight!

#JusticeForBenghazi4

Fortunately, a decent percentage of what you will see there is along these lines:

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I still haven’t gotten a straight answer to that question and I doubt I ever will. The way the right has framed Bengazi, you’d think that embassies and consulate attacks only happened under Obama. I mean not to take anything away from the tragedy that occurred there but the right’s outrage on this subject is a load of shit.

72 prairiefire  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:03:20pm

If they are exploring the bad practices at Benghazi, then why not the 100 plus state department deaths under Bush?

73 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:11:15pm

re: #72 prairiefire

If they are exploring the bad practices at Benghazi, then why not the 100 plus state department deaths under Bush?

That was a feature, not a bug. Back then they hated everything about diplomacy.

Little known fact: Many of those State Department employees killed under Bush were actually eaten by John Bolton’s mustache.

74 freetoken  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:14:32pm

This happened today:

Saudi Arabia rejects seat on U.N. Security Council

Just hours after winning a coveted place on the U.N. Security Council for the first time, Saudi Arabia did a stunning about-face Friday and rejected the seat, denouncing the body for failing to resolve world conflicts such as the Syrian civil war.

The unprecedented move at the United Nations appeared largely directed at Saudi Arabia’s longtime ally, the United States, reflecting more than two years of frustration.

[…]

Al-Mouallimi’s comments stood in sharp contrast to the strident tone of Friday’s Saudi Foreign Ministry statement, which accused the Security Council of failing on multiple fronts in the Middle East — especially in ending the Syria conflict but also in failing to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and rid the region of weapons of mass destruction.

“They should have thought of that before competing for the seat,” said Guatemala’s U.N. Ambassador Gert Rosenthal, noting that the Saudis were lobbying for support right up until the vote.

Several diplomats were asking each other whether there was a split in the leadership of Saudi Arabia, where King Abdullah has the final word.

[…]

We might live to see the day when the House of Saud falls. The population of KSA grows from all the immigrants, and the day will come when the royal family, as big as it is, won’t be able to contain the masses. Till then, we have princes dueling with each other.

75 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:18:17pm

re: #53 ausador

No alcohol involved, they are LDS church members and Mormons are not allowed to drink alcohol.

Which also explains how they became scout leaders with their obvious lack of training. Reading about this on other sites has informed me that the LDS runs its own Boy Scout troops and rotates church members through assignments as troop leaders whether they have any qualifications or not.

Some ex-troop leader comments I read complained bitterly about how they are not allowed to stay as a troop leader even if they enjoyed it and had the experience required to be good at it. It seems being a troop leader is just a temp. assignment via the church, the same as being made to go on mission duty. :(

Thanks for the clarification, although “not allowed” does not always equal “do not.” I guess Mormons would not be drinking while other Mormons are around.

Scouting is supposed to be about respect. Repect for each other, for the nation, for Nature, for rules. These part-timers have disrespected every that is good about Scouting … and their own religion, too. They were acting like stupid frat boys on a lark.

76 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:21:17pm

re: #75 wheat-dogghazi

Thanks for the clarification, although “not allowed” does not always equal “do not.” I guess Mormons would not be drinking while other Mormons are around.

Scouting is supposed to be about respect. Repect for each other, for the nation, for Nature, for rules. These part-timers have disrespected every that is good about Scouting … and their own religion, too. They were acting like stupid frat boys on a lark.

I posted a couple of links about this event on FaceBook. Will be curious to see if it draws responses or comments since I lot of my friends there were Eagle Scouts and some have been active in their children’s scouting activities.

77 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:24:19pm

re: #74 freetoken

This happened today:

Saudi Arabia rejects seat on U.N. Security Council

Just hours after winning a coveted place on the U.N. Security Council for the first time, Saudi Arabia did a stunning about-face Friday and rejected the seat, denouncing the body for failing to resolve world conflicts such as the Syrian civil war.

The unprecedented move at the United Nations appeared largely directed at Saudi Arabia’s longtime ally, the United States, reflecting more than two years of frustration.

We might live to see the day when the House of Saud falls. The population of KSA grows from all the immigrants, and the day will come when the royal family, as big as it is, won’t be able to contain the masses. Till then, we have princes dueling with each other.

The Saudi govt just wants to bitch. Actually being put in a position where they might own some responsibility for UN Middle East policy can only harm them. They have to maintain relations with us and with the crazy shit weasel terrorists in their own borders.

The Saudis are the dog who caught the car. In the end the chase is all they wanted.

78 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:33:25pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

The Saudis are the dog who caught the car. In the end the chase is all they wanted.

This is similar to how I think conservatives, and anti-abortion activists in particular view government. They’re much happier bitching and complaining than they are when they actually win and have to back up their rhetoric. Under Bush they weren’t able to accomplish anything nationally, because their shit is massively unpopular and deep down they know it.

Raining down abuse from the cheap seats is easy and fun for them, because that way they aren’t expected to produce results.

79 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:33:26pm

re: #74 freetoken

This happened today:

Saudi Arabia rejects seat on U.N. Security Council

We might live to see the day when the House of Saud falls. The population of KSA grows from all the immigrants, and the day will come when the royal family, as big as it is, won’t be able to contain the masses. Till then, we have princes dueling with each other.

It’s the tension of a large family, isn’t it? Which is the purest Salafist faction? Can the realpoltik faction survive the coming purge?

80 Mich-again  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:34:34pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

The Saudi govt just wants to bitch. Actually being put in a position where they might own some responsibility for UN Middle East policy can only harm them. They have to maintain relations with us and with the crazy shit weasel terrorists in their own borders.

The Saudis are the dog who caught the car. In the end the chase is all they wanted.

Or maybe they’d never join a club that would allow a Nation like them to be a member.

81 jamesfirecat  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:51:57pm

re: #80 Mich-again

Or maybe they’d never join a club that would allow a Nation like them to be a member.

I’ve got a good mind to go out and join a club and beat you over the head with it.
Groucho Marx in Duck Soup (movie)

82 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:55:42pm

Rep. Bill Young of Florida died this evening. Elected 22 times. Not a crazy R, he was 82. RIP.

83 prairiefire  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 10:43:15pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

No, too sad to joke.

84 prairiefire  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 10:45:40pm

On a lighter note, the great capitalist engine of the Holiday Season is beginning to stoke.

85 freetoken  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 11:28:50pm

Kyu Sakamoto:

MP3 Audio

86 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 18, 2013 11:56:45pm

Good luck with that GOP, some advice from the BBC

87 HoosierHoops  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 12:04:22am

Good Morning..I woke up about an hour ago and have been watching this awesome docudrama on the Rise and fall of the Roman Empire..You may have heard of it..Anyway 3AD was a great time for Rome.. Peace..Riches..No Wars.Killer water parks that could handle 1600 people a day with large libraries connected..The Sex must have been glorious.. Whoops.Did I say that? So It’s 2am and now it’s time for the fall of the Roman Empire..
So..I know how this ends up.. I’m turning on SportsCenter..
Hiya!

88 freetoken  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 12:08:04am

re: #86 Sol Berdinowitz

The BBC is pretending as if the current GOP is a party like they have in the UK or Europe.

But that is not how American politics works.

Namely, there is a dynamic in American political parties which is driven by the nature of Congressional elections and redistricting, and that allows a lot of wild actors to show up in the House.

US state level politics have a lot more influence on the national election than I think is experienced in UK elections.

89 freetoken  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 12:08:25am
90 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 12:11:45am

re: #88 freetoken

Yes, I cannot imagine they would take any of that advice: local politicians profile themselves by ranting about gay marriage, they cannot just abandon those positions at a national level.

And their advice to “Find an Angela Merkel”? That woman is highly pragmatic, flexible and willing to work to get diverse groups to compromise and work together. That is not the GOp approach

91 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 12:11:53am

re: #85 freetoken

Most known in America for this gem:
Youtube Video

92 freetoken  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 12:15:14am

re: #91 wheat-dogghazi

Most known in America for this gem:
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Though most people don’t know what he’s singing about.

In that video he is smiling, but in the earlier b&w video the look is one more of resignation, as the song is about overcoming heartache.

93 freetoken  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 12:15:39am

And, that’s some really bad choreography and dancing by the background girls.

94 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 12:23:15am

re: #93 freetoken

Japanese chorus girls?

95 freetoken  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 12:23:23am

Since the time machine is stuck again, now in a 1960’s Japan cabaret:

MP3 Audio

96 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 12:25:26am
97 freetoken  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 12:48:56am

For your overnight meditation:

MP3 Audio

98 piratedan  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 12:57:28am

Youtube Video

for what ails ya!

99 Lidane  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 1:05:49am
100 freetoken  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 1:40:26am
101 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 3:21:12am

Vandals. That’s all the rightwing types like this are.

Vandals.

Rachel Maddow is doing a bang-up job on Phil Kline, BTW. I’m watching the re-run here on the ECoast.

Unfortunately, Kline is only suspended for 3 yrs and can re-apply for his license.

“The court found that Kline — who was state attorney general before losing a re-election campaign and then went on to serve as Johnson County district attorney — violated 11 rules on professional conduct of attorneys while investigating abortion clinics as attorney general and during a grand jury proceeding while he was district attorney, the Kansas City (Mo.) Star reported.

“The court declined to disbar Kline, as recommended by a state official, but found that he engaged in a pattern of violations due to selfish motive, the newspaper said.

“The violations we have found are significant and numerous, and Kline’s inability or refusal to acknowledge or address their significance is particularly troubling in light of his service as the chief prosecuting attorney for this state and its most populous county,” the court wrote.”

Read more: upi.com

Kline is an asst professor of law at Liberty U. It figures.

102 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 3:34:13am

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103 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 3:46:36am

If you take blood pressure medication, you should read this.

Some blood pressure medications may reduce Alzheimer’s risk

Read more: upi.com

I take 40 mgs of lisinopril, which is an angiotensin, along with a diuretic (12.5 mg) every day and seem to be as alert and non-forgetful as I ever was. I think it also helps to have been engaged in occupations in which attention to lots of detail was always very important. I can still go into a room I’ve never been in before, take a picture of it in my mind and describe it to you in detail days or weeks later. None of this helps with depression, of course, of which I used to suffer bouts occasionally. The great grandchild I’m raising is the antidote to that.

I think the best way to get through old age is to still feel useful, engaged, and productive, even if it’s in ways you might not have imagined you would ever be engaged. I never thought I’d be raising another child in my 70s. All that BS publicity about traveling the world, jumping out of planes, and climbing Mt Everest in your dotage? That’s nothing compared to taking care of a little human being 24/7.

104 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 3:56:41am

This has got to be the most unattractive fucking couple in the world.

An operator and his robot, ladies and gentlemen:

videocafe.crooksandliars.com

105 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 4:15:35am

Everything about Sarah Palin is fake, including the green screen background in these 4 separate appearances on FN.

Image: original.jpg

It must be in her contract that nobody is to know from where she is vomiting her word salad.

106 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 5:39:35am

This is just adorable.

blogs.reuters.com

Banksy is in NYC.

This is not adorable.

blogs.reuters.com

107 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 5:56:27am

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

Bloomberg needs to pipe down. Banksy’s work is several notches above typical graffiti. The one pictured is really clever, and not obtrusive at all.

108 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 6:43:19am

re: #107 wheat-dogghazi

Bloomberg needs to pipe down. Banksy’s work is several notches above typical graffiti. The one pictured is really clever, and not obtrusive at all.

I love graffiti. When done well, it really brightens up otherwise bland, nasty urban landscapes and puts life into them. I like Banksy’s work, too.

Here are some other examples of terrific graffiti/street art.

smashingmagazine.com

109 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 6:47:17am

Good for her! A brave young woman indeed.

Malala presented with honorary masters degree

itv.com

110 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 6:58:14am

Stop it, just stop it.

13 train cars carrying liquid petroleum gas, crude oil derail in Alberta

Read more: ctvnews.ca

Note that Alberta considers itself the “Texas of the North” and is a very conservative province, inviting RWNJs like Sarah Palin to events sponsored by oil interests. Also where Ted Cruz was born.

111 BongCrodny  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 7:12:06am

re: #20 Lidane

You know what we have to do now. We need to sue homosexuality.

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Dumb people have way too much power in this country.

112 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 7:47:59am

In another oil-related story…

Romanians protest Chevron fracking plans

toob.news.yahoo.com/romanians-protest-chevron-fracking-plans-140340658.html

“Around 1,000 protesters rallied on Saturday in the northeastern Romanian village of Pungesti against plans by US energy giant Chevron to drill for shale gas.
(snip)

“Several hundred people also protested in the eastern city of Barlad, forming a human chain around the town hall.

“They called for Prime Minister Victor Ponta’s resignation, blaming him for reneging on his campaign promise to ban shale gas drilling.”

113 Good Morning  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 7:49:14am

If you let the South secede in 1861 that rock would still be precariously perched today.

114 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 7:49:16am

Another photo of Romanian protesters…

115 thedopefishlives  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 7:54:38am

Morning Lizardim.

116 nines09  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 8:00:53am

re: #2 ausador

“These guys are supposedly Boy Scout Troop Leaders for goodness sake…what ever happened to “Leave No Trace Behind” when you are out in nature”
Well, they left no trace of what was there. By their brilliant logic all the wolves should be shot along with the bison (might hurt someone) and coyotes and large birds poisoned (might hurt livestock.) Some folks who claim to love “nature’ sure have a funny way of displaying it. Disturbing.

117 Amory Blaine  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 8:13:49am

US to use Romanian air base for Afghan pullout

The US has agreed a deal with Romania to use an air base there as a transit point for American forces leaving Afghanistan, officials have said.

The agreement was reached at bilateral talks at the Pentagon.

The move will allow the US to switch its flight operations to Romania from Kyrgyzstan’s Manas air base, when the US lease there expires in July 2014.

Washington plans to withdraw most of its 52,000 troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014.

118 sagehen  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 8:21:30am

The guy who knocked that rock over… a few weeks ago he filed a personal injury lawsuit over a car accident from a few years back, claims to be disabled.

kutv.com

Taylor’s attorney Mark Stubbs says just because his client is beginning to recover from his injured back doesn’t mean he hasn’t suffered from pain in the past, and he says Taylor’s medical bills in the wake of the accident could continue for years. He does admit however that the tape may not play well if the case was to go before a jury trial, but ads it is only one piece of a larger case.

I guess that rock was a bit more expensive than he realized at the time…

119 No Country For Old Haters  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 8:26:41am

re: #51 freetoken

Beautiful Ball Python at the top of that totally bonkers page.

120 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 8:32:22am

Anjem Choudary is getting a lot of attention this week.
British muslims targeted in Al-Shabaab terror video are offered police protection

Mr Choudary told The Daily Telegraph that he was “happy” to appear in the video. He said: “I am happy for what I say anywhere in the world in any clip because at the end of the day I believe that I speak what is right according the divine texts.

“If they want to use that clip I don’t have any problem with that at all.”

Mohammed Ansar, a filmmaker who has recently made a documentary about former EDL leader Tommy Robinson, was visited by police at midnight on Wednesday after he was mentioned in the film.

Meanwhile another associate of Choudary is headed off to jail.
The Muslim Patrol enforcer: Ginger-haired Bin Laden disciple admits mob attacks on ‘non-believers’

Horner is a close associate of Choudary and was arrested outside his home earlier this year for assaulting a photographer.

The outspoken thug has boasted that one of his heroes is Osama bin Laden and said British soldiers will burn in hell.

He was held as part of a highly sensitive Met investigation into the self-titled Muslim Patrol, that operated in the Tower Hamlets area of East London. The intimidating mob was seen walking the streets in the early hours of the morning last December and January.

The Brits are going to have to deal with Choudary sooner or later.

121 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 8:38:38am

re: #118 sagehen

The guy who knocked that rock over… a few weeks ago he filed a personal injury lawsuit over a car accident from a few years back, claims to be disabled.

kutv.com

I guess that rock was a bit more expensive than he realized at the time…

A decent lawyer wouldn’t even bother taking that case, seeing it as the fraudulent claim it is. It’s like proving the unprovable—what injury, since there was no medical treatment at the time, not even the usual chiropractic care or ambulance ride?

This guy is a slacker and whinger, and typical RWNJ malcontent.

OK, the SOL in Utah is 4 yrs—this is a last ditch effort to get blood out of a turnip, or money form a non-existent claim; esp if there was no injury reported at the time, and no claim was ever made to the ins co for any. The ins co will vigorously defend its covered vehicle owner against what it would consider a spurious claim.

122 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 8:48:14am

re: #110 Justanotherhuman

Stop it, just stop it.

13 train cars carrying liquid petroleum gas, crude oil derail in Alberta

Read more: ctvnews.ca

Note that Alberta considers itself the “Texas of the North” and is a very conservative province, inviting RWNJs like Sarah Palin to events sponsored by oil interests. Also where Ted Cruz was born.

Stop what? Canadian National has a pretty good safety record, both in Canada and in the US. But on rare occasions track damage or obstructions can’t be seen in time and a derailment happens. Even allowing for that, moving petroleum products by rail is cheaper and safer than other methods.

123 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:01:28am

re: #120 Killgore Trout

I was wrong.

124 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:04:04am

re: #123 ProTARDISLiberal

I was wrong.

About what?

125 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:06:51am

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Something I put up there. Did a little research after looking, blanked it out, replaced it with that.

126 darthstar  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:08:08am

re: #117 Amory Blaine

US to use Romanian air base for Afghan pullout

I read that as Romulan.

127 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:09:40am

re: #125 ProTARDISLiberal

Something I put up there. Did a little research after looking, blanked it out, replaced it with that.

Ah, ok. these things happen

128 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:12:53am

re: #110 Justanotherhuman

Stop it, just stop it.

13 train cars carrying liquid petroleum gas, crude oil derail in Alberta

Read more: ctvnews.ca

Note that Alberta considers itself the “Texas of the North” and is a very conservative province, inviting RWNJs like Sarah Palin to events sponsored by oil interests. Also where Ted Cruz was born.

It’s also where my sister, her two daughters and my brother’s daughter live. Albertans also voted overwhelmingly against the Wild Rose party, Alberta’s version of Tea Party.

That said, it is the birthplace of the Reform -> Canadian Alliance -> Conservative Party of Canada that is Bush lite.

129 Amory Blaine  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:25:21am

re: #121 Justanotherhuman

Tort reform!!!

130 GeneJockey  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:25:53am

OT, but a recent argument with a libertarian got me to thinking about what libertarians, teabaggers, and other Conservatives want.

He said, “We just want to be left alone.” The thing is, he wants to be left alone in a country and an economy that would not exist if libertarian principles had been followed.

He wants roads, bridges, airports, etc, and wants them to be maintained and upgraded as needed, and policed to maintain safety.

He wants clean water and air, a safe food supply, and safe and effective drugs. He wants a healthcare system that he can afford, which actually works, and he doesn’t want preventable infectious disease to run rampant in it.

He wants an economy where banks are safe places to put money, where inflation and unemployment are moderated, without the boom and bust cycles of the Laissez faire era. He wants an educated workforce that’s paid well enough to support an expanding economy. He doesn’t want poor people and old people living under bridges and dying of starvation or easily treatable illness.

He wants all this, but deplores the system that provides it. This is why I find libertarianism to be such an infantile philosophy. It’s like the teenager who believes that food, shelter, clothing, TV and internet etc. are all his due, and asking him to do any chores is a huge burden.

131 Political Atheist  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:28:07am

*polishing lenses*

It’s a clear beautiful day here. So, off to an Orchid show at the Huntington Library for some macro shots, then maybe up into Angeles Nat’l Forest for some shot in the fall. Mt Wilson is only open through Dec 1st then it’s closed for winter.

132 sagehen  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:31:47am

re: #130 GeneJockey

I had an argument on another blog with a libertarian so extreme (and so ignorant) he felt the Transcontinental Railroad had been government overreach. “If we really needed it, the free market would have provided.”

133 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:36:40am

re: #125 ProTARDISLiberal

Something I put up there. Did a little research after looking, blanked it out, replaced it with that.

Did you see this?

Time Lords united! Former Doctor Who actors line up in celebratory picture marking show’s 50th anniversary

It’s the show that has been terrifying children with its frightening villains for the past fifty years.

And now, to mark the landmark anniversary year of Doctor Who, each actor who has taken on the role of the Time Lord have lined up for a celebratory picture.

From the very first Doctor, William Hartnell in 1963, to the most recent incarnation, Matt Smith, each of the actors have been merged together for the collaborative shot.

As well as Hartnell and Smith Patrick Troughton, Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Colin Baker, Sylvester McCoy, Paul McGann, Christopher Ecclestone and David Tennant appear in the shot.

The only actor missing from the shot is Peter Capaldi - who was announced to take over from Matt as the new Doctor next year.

Image: article-0-18D5763200000578-660_634x350.jpg

134 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:38:00am

re: #128 b_sharp

It’s also where my sister, her two daughters and my brother’s daughter live. Albertans also voted overwhelmingly against the Wild Rose party, Alberta’s version of Tea Party.

That said, it is the birthplace of the Reform -> Canadian Alliance -> Conservative Party of Canada that is Bush lite.

Good to know that Canadians still think teabags are for brewing tea, not wearing on your hat.

135 GeneJockey  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:42:13am

re: #132 sagehen

I had an argument on another blog with a libertarian so extreme (and so ignorant) he felt the Transcontinental Railroad had been government overreach. “If we really needed it, the free market would have provided.”

This is what I mean about the religion of the Free Market. It replaces God in their worldview, providing what is needed.

136 GeneJockey  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:43:44am

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Good to know that Canadians still think teabags are for brewing tea, not wearing on your hat.

Since Canadians don’t share the history of the Boston Tea Party, it would have little meaning for them, anyway.

As far as I’m concerned, tea bags are for making iced tea, but a tea ball is preferable.

137 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:49:54am

re: #135 GeneJockey

This is what I mean about the religion of the Free Market. It replaces God in their worldview, providing what is needed.

Tell me how the free market is going to provide anything for the poor.

138 TBPlayer  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:54:41am

I realized years later that my Boy Scout leaders were mostly a bunch of right wing tools, but they actually did respect nature, and taught us to do the same. We packed out everything we packed in, did our best to eliminate the traces of our fires, and never in a million years would we have been permitted to do something like this. And the idea of the leaders themselves doing something so stupid (not to mention illegal) would have been truly unthinkable.

139 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:55:31am

Humor break:
“Dinosaurs do not have the moves”

Image: 1380471_684571088230572_720606766_n.jpg

140 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:57:11am

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, I saw that. They are doing a trailer for that, but not the Fiftieth Anniversary episode. Many fans are less than impressed.

141 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:02:29am

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Oh Texas, fuck you so much:

Papers!

142 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:18:59am

re: #137 Iwouldprefernotto

Tell me how the free market is going to provide anything for the poor.

It will provide death for them which is what they deserve for being poor. Those sinners!

I say this because I’ve been on the receiving end of policies created by these turds.

143 makeitstop  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:20:35am

‘Afternoon, Lizardos…

We’re taking the air conditioners out of the windows today. It’s a small act that I always put off every year, because it’s an admission on our part that summer is gone and it never fails to bum me out.

How’s everyone doing today?

144 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:22:59am

re: #141 Romantic Heretic

Papers!

Contrary to popular myth, a woman is under no legal obligation to use a man’s name after marriage.

family.findlaw.com

145 Amory Blaine  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:23:09am

I saw this documentary on Romanian homeless children years ago that I highly recommend.

Youtube Video

146 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:38:02am

re: #143 makeitstop

‘Afternoon, Lizardos…

We’re taking the air conditioners out of the windows today. It’s a small act that I always put off every year, because it’s an admission on our part that summer is gone and it never fails to bum me out.

How’s everyone doing today?

MrB_S just finished cleaning out the flue pipe and is getting ready to light the ceremonial first fire of the season in the woodstove.

I haz a misery…

147 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:39:03am

re: #145 Amory Blaine

I saw this documentary on Romanian homeless children years ago that I highly recommend.

[Embedded content]

Yes, it was quite sad; don’t know what it’s like today, though, since that doc is 12 yrs old. An update on Wiki isn’t reliable and purported to be 3 yrs later about what the kids were up to and where they were.

en.wikipedia.org

148 Amory Blaine  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:42:23am

One of the girls has a facebook page purportedly.

facebook.com

I cannot access it as I don’t have a facebook account.

149 ObserverArt  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:48:00am

Let me guess. These rock tipping jerkoffs are probably good God-fearin’ Christians right?

And the fat one that tipped the rock filed a lawsuit for a back injury too?

May they be struck down by lightening…mom nature get’s them back.

150 ausador  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:50:15am

Rock Toppler Glenn Taylor seems to have sense enough to now remain silent after giving several interviews yesterday. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for his partner in crime Dave Hall.

While Taylor expressed at least a tiny modicum of contrition for the act and a willingness to accept the consequences his cameraman Dave Hall has other ideas. Hall has changed his story about the incident pretty much every time he has been interviewed, at the moment the story now goes like this…

Events leading up to the toppling began when Hall and Taylor, leaders of a Varsity Scout team (for boys ages 14 and 15) sponsored by their LDS Church ward in Highland, were playing with eight youth and two other leaders among Goblin Valley rocks. Thousands of other tourists were too, Hall said.

Their teens, he said, “were playing a game called lava. You see who can get farthest in the park leaping from top of rock to top of rock without touching the ground. … We were just meandering through the park talking when we came upon that [balanced-rock] boulder and it budged.

“And right then,” Hall added, “two families were coming up the ravine right below it. We’re like, ‘Oh my gosh, if this budges, moves, it’s going to kill all of them.’ ” The family turned a different way, prompting Hall to think, “They don’t even realize how close they came to dying.”

He said he and Taylor discussed the situation for 15 minutes and felt “you can just put one hand on it and it’s going.

The question was, do we wait for a gust of wind to come up or [have] a kid jump on it to find out when it goes, or do we defuse the problem right now.”
More:

So the “Scout Leaders” were allowing their 14-15 year old charges to leap from fragile/top heavy/ancient rock formation to rock formation?

So the rock budged? All by itself? It just kind of magically “budged over” when you got close to it? Then why didn’t it “budge” even the least tiny bit when Taylor first tried to “wiggle it” in the video?

The two families coming up the ravine were never in any danger whatsoever. Your earlier story was that they stopped and took a picture right below it, now they turned off before approaching it, which is it?

After the rock was pushed over did it roll down the ravine crushing innocent tourists left and right? No! Because the rock was almost flat on two sides something that you probably should have noticed. It never even moved more than three feet after being pushed down.

A gust of wind could have toppled it? Seriously, your going with that after people have seen the video? A gust of wind from what, a nearby nuclear blast?

A kid jumping on it might topple it? Yes, it is true that that might have done it, that is why there are signs throughout the park saying not to climb on or disturb the formations! If a kid had jumped onto the top of a formation that looked as delicate as that one and it rolled and crushed him then the kid would deservedly receive a place in the Darwin Award running.

Besides all of which the park has hundreds and hundreds of “unsafe” rock formations consisting of large boulders being held up by improbably small amounts of loose sandstone, that is what a Goblin (Hoodoo) is!

Should we knock them all down so that you are not tortured by the thought that you saw something that could be potentially hazardous given just the right conditions and a liberal amount of idiocy? Best to just bulldoze the whole place so that your conscience will be clear if someone doing something incredibly ignorant is injured or killed right?

Gahh…the more Hall runs his mouth the more I want to see him facing serious charges rather than just a fine. If he is incapable of accepting any responsibility or of showing any remorse and instead continues fabricating lies to justify his actions then I really do hope the county prosecutor makes “an example” out of him.

Now he is trying to play the sympathy card claiming that he has received “hundreds” of death threats from people all over the world. (Like what, the site posts that say they wish the rock had rolled on top of him?)

The LDS will probably stop him from facing any consequences, that just seems to be the way things work in Utah. Still I can hope that perhaps some justice will eventually prevail, even if it is only the BSA kicking him out of the organization and him losing his Temple Recommends from the church (the LDS hates bad PR).

151 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:54:08am

re: #148 Amory Blaine

One of the girls has a facebook page purportedly.

facebook.com

I cannot access it as I don’t have a facebook account.

It looks like a group support page for her.

152 Amory Blaine  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:54:13am

Next he’ll take an air hammer to Arches N’tl Park.

153 Mattand  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:56:17am

re: #150 ausador

I guarantee the only reason the UT AG isn’t pressing charges is becuase these idiots are with the Boy Scouts.

If a minority or atheist had done that, they’d already be standing before a firing squad.

154 ObserverArt  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 10:57:24am

So the rock tippers are crying about some heat on them. Do these jerks have any sense of themselves and their place in all this?

How long until it is Obama and progressive liberalism that caused them to act out like this?

{Seething}

Edit: I take back the comment about the lightening strike. I’m thinking a meteor from above would be better justice. All that would be left is a burn spot and a crater.

155 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 11:06:42am

re: #153 Mattand

I guarantee the only reason the UT AG isn’t pressing charges is becuase these idiots are with the Boy Scouts.

If a minority or atheist had done that, they’d already be standing before a firing squad.

No, I’m pretty sure UT AG isn’t pressing charges because they are LDS.

And it was just rocks, what’s the big freakin’ deal anyway?////////////

156 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Oct 19, 2013 11:19:04am

Kind of ironic that these guys are part of the BSA’s “Utah National Parks Council”…

157 Rixar13  Sun, Oct 20, 2013 2:34:27pm

What an absolute Moron… :-(

158 Origuy  Sun, Oct 20, 2013 8:40:36pm

re: #75 wheat-dogghazi

I guess Mormons would not be drinking while other Mormons are around..

Bringing up the old joke about going fishing with a Mormon.


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