Security Check Now Starts Long Before You Fly

The TSA may know more about you than IRS or NSA

While China cracks down on Internet dissent, America’s pit bulls of air travel, the TSA, have expanded their use of information about passengers even before the shoes and belts come off at the security check points

Tax records, property ownership, drivers licenses, credit ratings, travel itineraries, frequent flier club memberships, and previous run ins with law enforcement are among the databases the TSA is using to judge which fliers may be security risks.

Data in the Automated Targeting System is used to decide who is placed on the no-fly list — thousands of people the United States government has banned from flying — and the selectee list, an unknown number of travelers who are required to undergo more in-depth screening, like Mr. Darrat. The T.S.A. also maintains a PreCheck disqualification list, tracking people accused of violating security regulations, including disputes with checkpoint or airline staff members.

Much of this personal data is widely shared within the Department of Homeland Security and with other government agencies. Privacy notices for these databases note that the information may be shared with federal, state and local authorities; foreign governments; law enforcement and intelligence agencies — and in some cases, private companies for purposes unrelated to security or travel.

For instance, an update about the T.S.A.’s Transportation Security Enforcement Record System, which contains information about travelers accused of “violations or potential violations” of security regulations, warns that the records may be shared with “a debt collection agency for the purpose of debt collection.”

A recent privacy notice about PreCheck notes that fingerprints submitted by people who apply for the program will be used by the F.B.I. to check its unsolved crimes database.

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297 comments

1 jvic  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:33:32am

Afaic the use of data mining is not the problem per se. The problem is that the information is shared and distributed—-widely shared and distributed—-in contexts that have nothing to do with terrorism.

2 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:34:33am

Zero consideration for privacy or keeping travel data for that purpose only. This is another example of necessary pre screening data being abused.

This is the kind of thing that makes air travel undesirable.
Air ticket clerk notices a nervous traveler…
“Fear of flying sir?” “No it’s what will happen to my personal data that scares me.”

3 mechanic  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 7:44:15am

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
Where have you been?
It’s alright we know where you’ve been.

4 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 8:07:35am

International travelers are the ones who have most to worry. Having a passport apparently is a flag for further investigation, especially a foreign passport.

Despite shuttling between China and the States once or twice a year, I’ve not had any troubles at security checkpoints. I suppose they are not profiling middle-aged white guys. But on one of my trips, the middle-aged Muslim couple (she in chador and he in long flowing robe + cap) seemed to have a tougher time breezing through security.

5 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:45:33am

And this is why I prefer to drive. The TSA is security theater at its finest.

6 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:46:04am

Not a big deal unless they start screening people who have medical marijuana cards for searches. Wouldn’t affect me, but would definitely affect a few frequent fliers I know.

7 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:47:14am

Zedushka and I always used to get “special attention” when our passports the Russian Federation holographic visa in them, but now that we have new passports we don’t get flagged.

8 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:47:56am

The downside of information being free to everyone is that information is free to everyone.

9 klys  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:49:31am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

And this is why I prefer to drive. The TSA is security theater at its finest.

It’s true, but when you have to go from one end of the country to the other (or overseas!) driving becomes less feasible.

10 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:49:32am
11 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:50:36am

re: #10 Kragar

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This is what happens when you ignore NoVa.

12 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:50:42am

re: #9 klys

It’s true, but when you have to go from one end of the country to the other (or overseas!) driving becomes less feasible.

2 days, Max.

13 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:52:00am

re: #9 klys

It’s true, but when you have to go from one end of the country to the other (or overseas!) driving becomes less feasible.

Well I’ve made drives from coastal MS to both Las Vegas and Southern Ontario, Canada and they’ve been tolerable, but I see your point.

I will fly if I have to, but I avoid it whenever I can.

14 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:52:18am

The Tea Party’s next darling arrives in my backyard on the campaign trail

Chris McDaniel brought his battle for the Republican Party to a crowd of more than 100 Tea Party supporters in St. Martin on Monday night.

It’s a battle, he said, that should be waged without compromise. A battle, he said, the Democrats were winning.

“The Republicans are very good at it,” he said. “But bear in mind the Democrats, when it came to Obamacare, didn’t compromise a bit, did they? Name a piece of legislation passed in the last 50 years where we compromised and benefited the conservative movement.

“And whether it’s our Constitution or our finances, at some point we have to say enough is enough.”

He said in the government shutdown, only a handful of conservatives fought. The rest, he said, compromised.

“Eighteen Republicans said no to the deal in the Senate,” he said. Sen. Thad Cochran was nowhere to be found among them, he said, “and he never has been.”

Cochran was among 27 Senate Republicans who supported the plan to end the shutdown.

“It is important that we act to restore the confidence of the American people in the United States Senate,” Cochran said last week “We must take real steps to strengthen our nation’s fiscal foundation so that our economy can grow, and American families and businesses can prosper.”

What he would cut given the choice? Let’s play “Count the talking points!”

“Let me tell you some of the things we are going to shut down.

“How about this one: A hundred thousand dollars on a video preservation center. How about $120 million in salaries to dead federal employees. Fifteen point three million dollars for the bridge to nowhere. Seven hundred sixty-four thousand dollars of your money spent on a study of how college students use cell phones. Twenty-six million dollars on a Selective Service draft board and we haven’t had a draft since 1973.”

He also said he would cut off foreign aid to “countries that hate us.”

15 klys  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:52:36am

re: #12 Kragar

2 days, Max.

Each direction, so that becomes 4 days out of the trip devoted to travel instead of 1.5 like it is when flying.

Also, you have to actually drive through flyover country. I prefer flying over that.

16 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:53:41am

re: #15 klys

Each direction, so that becomes 4 days out of the trip devoted to travel instead of 1.5 like it is when flying.

Also, you have to actually drive through flyover country. I prefer flying over that.

I actually like the drive.

17 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:54:05am

re: #15 klys

Each direction, so that becomes 4 days out of the trip devoted to travel instead of 1.5 like it is when flying.

Also, you have to actually drive through flyover country. I prefer flying over that.

Heh, I totally agree some states are boring, but you get to seem some beautiful places up close too.

18 klys  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:54:08am

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

Well I’ve made drives from coastal MS to both Las Vegas and Southern Ontario, Canada and they’ve been tolerable, but I see your point.

I will fly if I have to, but I avoid it whenever I can.

Oh, I’ve driven coast-to-coast once. My car needed to be moved out here. And I’ve driven back to WI from CA to pick up our travel trailer.

It’s definitely doable, but it takes far more time and doesn’t really save an awful lot in money.

19 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:54:13am

I know people who completely freaked out when they finally noticed the ITCS ICTS sticker on the back of their passports…

edited acronym typo…

20 erik_t  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:54:14am

re: #9 klys

It’s true, but when you have to go from one end of the country to the other (or overseas!) driving becomes less feasible.

Maybe with your car.

21 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:55:00am

We’re driving down to Alabama for Thanksgiving. It’s about the same distance as driving to New York, except that you don’t have to drive in New York.

22 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:55:21am

re: #21 Vicious Babushka

We’re driving down to Alabama for Thanksgiving. It’s about the same distance as driving to New York, except that you don’t have to drive in New York.

Hope you’re prepared to deal with some wingnuts.

23 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:55:43am

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

Hope you’re prepared to deal with some wingnuts.

Lol, I pity them.
Not.

24 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:55:47am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

And this is why I prefer to drive. The TSA is security theater at its finest.

Don’t do it within 100 miles of the border. (Caution: everything from the ACLU to Alex Jones in that search result.)

25 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:56:21am

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

Hope you’re prepared to deal with some wingnuts.

I deal with them every day on Teh Twitters.

Zedushka is kind of nervous about driving through Kentucky.

26 klys  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:56:48am

re: #16 Kragar

I actually like the drive.

I like the drive too, but when it’s vacation days dictating how long the trip can be, 4 days devoted to the drive instead of time with family at say Christmas…

Ok, maybe that’s a bad example. But when the point of the trip is time at the destination and not time on the road, the 43 hours on an Interstate is less interesting.

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:57:52am

re: #25 Vicious Babushka

I deal with them every day on Teh Twitters.

Zedushka is kind of nervous about driving through Kentucky.

Just stay on I-75 and you’ll be ok.
Although there are some very nice attractions around the Berea exit.

28 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 10:59:12am

re: #25 Vicious Babushka

I deal with them every day on Teh Twitters.

Zedushka is kind of nervous about driving through Kentucky.

I’ve been through KY and TN many times, probably not as bad as you’d think.

29 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:00:46am

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just stay on I-75 and you’ll be ok.
Although there are some very nice attractions around the Berea exit.

Google says to take I-75 to Cincinnati, I-71 to Louisville and I-65 to Huntsville. We will probably stop for the night somewhere, either Cincinnati or Louisville.

30 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:01:51am

For idiots who think companies who frack shouldn’t be regulated:

31 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:02:58am

re: #30 darthstar

For idiots who think companies who frack shouldn’t be regulated:

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Since January 2009, more than 200 magnitude 3.0 or greater earthquakes have rattled Central Oklahoma, marking a significant rise in the frequency of these seismic events.

The U.S. Geological Survey and Oklahoma Geological Survey are conducting collaborative research quantifying the changes in earthquake rate in the Oklahoma City region, assessing the implications of this swarm for large-earthquake hazard, and evaluating possible links between these earthquakes and wastewater disposal related to oil and gas production activities in the region.

Studies show one to three magnitude 3.0 earthquakes or larger occurred yearly from 1975 to 2008, while the average grew to around 40 earthquakes per year from 2009 to mid-2013.

32 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:02:59am

re: #30 darthstar

For idiots who think companies who frack shouldn’t be regulated:

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Everyone knows that nothing man does can affect the planet.
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33 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:03:07am

Wingnuts all butthurt over Alan Grayson email:

34 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:03:20am

re: #32 Kragar

Everyone knows that nothing man does can affect the planet.
///

Secrecy is best.

35 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:03:32am

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

Google says to take I-75 to Cincinnati, I-71 to Louisville and I-65 to Huntsville. We will probably stop for the night somewhere, either Cincinnati or Louisville.

OK. I don’t drive that route much at all. I do know that there’s a stretch of I-71 in Gallatin County between Northern Kentucky and Louisville that seems to attract more than its share of accidents.

36 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:03:44am

re: #33 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts all butthurt over Alan Grayson email:

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So what do they think about F.W Jackson who actually thinks Planned Parenthood is worse than the KKK.

37 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:04:56am

Dem Rep Stands By Tea Party/KKK Comparison: ‘If The Shoe Fits, Wear It’

“Tea Party members have circulated countless altered pictures depicting President Obama and the First Lady as monkeys. Tea Party members also called my fellow Member of Congress, civil rights hero John Lewis, a ‘n***ger,’ and Rep. Barney Frank a ‘faggot,’” Grayson said in a written statement.

“One could go on and on, because there is overwhelming evidence that the Tea Party is the home of bigotry and discrimination in America today, just as the KKK was for an earlier generation. If the shoe fits, wear it.”

38 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:05:32am

All of Apple’s consumer software is now going to be free. Mac OS, iWork, iLife, etc. Pretty major move by Apple.

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:05:39am

re: #30 darthstar

For idiots who think companies who frack shouldn’t be regulated:

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Lots of earthquake swarms recently in Arkansas as well.
We’re also seeing a real uptick in earthquakes here in eastern Kentucky, and moreso in West Virginia (at least two or more a week) and in Pennsylvania.

40 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:06:02am

re: #37 Kragar

Dem Rep Stands By Tea Party/KKK Comparison: ‘If The Shoe Fits, Wear It’

I understand what he’s saying but I still hesitate at comparing them to the KKK but he’s right on in that they acted bigoted.

41 erik_t  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:07:11am

Grayson’s penchant for sticking his foot in his mouth, then bragging about the size of his catch, tends to diminish the impact of otherwise-salient points he’s trying to make.

I do not care for him.

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:08:05am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

All of Apple’s consumer software is now going to be free. Mac OS, iWork, iLife, etc. Pretty major move by Apple.

I’ve got an ancient Mac Mini with OS X 10.4.11. Wonder if I could get an OS upgrade?

43 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:09:08am

re: #41 erik_t

Grayson’s penchant for sticking his foot in his mouth, then bragging about the size of his catch, tends to diminish the impact of otherwise-salient points he’s trying to make.

I do not care for him.

Ditto that. My biggest problem with Grayson is that he prefers to play with fire than actually get shit done.

44 klys  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:09:29am

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve got an ancient Mac Mini with OS X 10.4.11. Wonder if I could get an OS upgrade?

My guess with that one is no, because that is before the switch to Intel processors, as I recall. Someone else can probably verify, though.

45 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:09:37am

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

Google says to take I-75 to Cincinnati, I-71 to Louisville and I-65 to Huntsville. We will probably stop for the night somewhere, either Cincinnati or Louisville.

Traffic on I-75 around Cincinnati can get nasty due to the Ohio River creating a bottleneck. Try to time going through there in non-peak hours.

46 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:09:43am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

I understand what he’s saying but I still hesitate at comparing them to the KKK but he’s right on in that they acted bigoted.

Until they cross the line to killing a bunch of people, today’s racists aren’t klan-equivalent, that’s a Percale Godwin. For the time being, these clowns are more like the CCCs.

47 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:09:48am

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t know if it will go back that far, you’ll have to check.

48 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:09:53am

re: #44 klys

My guess with that one is no, because that is before the switch to Intel processors, as I recall. Someone else can probably verify, though.

Kinda thought that might be the case…

49 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:10:00am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK. I don’t drive that route much at all. I do know that there’s a stretch of I-71 in Gallatin County between Northern Kentucky and Louisville that seems to attract more than its share of accidents.

Hmm that’s the most direct route.

We missed a 20-car pileup on the I-80 outside of Clarion, PA two years ago because I don’t like to drive at night.

50 erik_t  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:10:40am

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve got an ancient Mac Mini with OS X 10.4.11. Wonder if I could get an OS upgrade?

Unlikely; this should answer the question, though.

51 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:11:08am

re: #46 Decatur Deb

Until they cross the line to killing a bunch of people, today’s racists aren’t klan-equivalent, that’s a percale Godwin. For the time being, these clowns are more like the CCCs.

Yes, that. I do love that Twitchy is outraged over this while they said shit little about the Republican running for L.T Governor here in VA who actually said that PP was worse than the KKK. And I agree with you, they’re more like the CCC.

52 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:11:09am

re: #30 darthstar

For idiots who think companies who frack shouldn’t be regulated:

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Those aren’t earthquakes, that’s God applauding the Real Americans(TM)

53 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:11:34am

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve been through KY and TN many times, probably not as bad as you’d think.

I’m guessing you’re not identifiably Jewish (or Muslim, or Sikh, etc.)

I was born & raised in Texas and spent my first 8 years as a Muslim there. There was rarely a week that went by without someone staring, pointing, sneering, or saying something nasty to me simply because I dared to exist in their midst and be different. That’s why I moved to the East Coast—I was sick of it and had started carrying a fairly large chip on my shoulder. Things were eventually going to get ugly, so I left before they had a chance to.

54 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:11:59am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

All of Apple’s consumer software is now going to be free. Mac OS, iWork, iLife, etc. Pretty major move by Apple.

So from now on they are banking on hardware and itunes/app store sales alone?

55 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:13:26am
56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:13:49am

re: #45 Feline Fearless Leader

Traffic on I-75 around Cincinnati can get nasty due to the Ohio River creating a bottleneck. Try to time going through there in non-peak hours.

Lots of construction, too.
I’d almost suggest getting off at I-275 to Indiana and taking that bridge to Kentucky and then get back on I-75 to get to I-71.
Especially if it’s peak time.

57 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:14:04am

Drip. Drip. Drip. It’s about to turn into a deluge as Republicans run from the Tea Party.

58 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:15:25am

re: #53 CuriousLurker

I’m guessing you’re not identifiably Jewish (or Muslim, or Sikh, etc.)

I was born & raised in Texas and spent my first 8 years as a Muslim there. There was rarely a week that went by without someone staring, pointing, sneering, or saying something nasty to me simply because I dared to exist in their midst and be different. That’s why I moved to the East Coast—I was sick of it and had started carrying a fairly large chip on my shoulder. Things were eventually going to get ugly, so I left before they had a chance to.

Still a little weird that someone heading to Alabama is worried about Kentucky. Historically Birmingham—Nashville is rougher than Montgomery—Mobile.

59 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:15:51am

re: #57 darthstar

Drip. Drip. Drip. It’s about to turn into a deluge as Republicans run from the Tea Party.

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I don’t blame him at all but it I guess amazes me that these people just “notice” that the Republican Party is teh party of bigotry and intolerance. I mean really, you didn’t notice that before? Maybe I should be less harsh, I dunno.

60 William of Orange  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:17:21am

Hell froze over, lizzards!

Fox actually made a wise decision…..

…by cutting an interview with Jenna Jameson short.

Youtube Video


Damn! All those memories we had, torn to pieces!!

(Did I say that out loud??)

61 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:21:00am

re: #58 Decatur Deb

Still a little weird that someone heading to Alabama is worried about Kentucky. Historically Birmingham—Nashville is rougher than Montgomery—Mobile.

How dangerous is it to be Driving While Juice in those places?

62 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:22:01am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lots of construction, too.
I’d almost suggest getting off at I-275 to Indiana and taking that bridge to Kentucky and then get back on I-75 to get to I-71.
Especially if it’s peak time.

SInce I’m generally routing that way via Columbus (and points east) that is not a good option to me. My alternative if I have extra time is to swing down deep into West Virginia and come across via I-64 through Charleston and bypass Cincy entirely. Fairly scenic since you get hills of WV and eastern Kentucky as compared to the flatness and Giant Jesus Head* of central and southern Ohio.

* - IIRC, GJH burned downed. But has probably been replaced by now.
en.wikipedia.org

63 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:22:13am

It is slushing where I am, but none of it is sticking.

you?

64 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:22:36am

re: #58 Decatur Deb

Still a little weird that someone heading to Alabama is worried about Kentucky. Historically Birmingham—Nashville is rougher than Montgomery—Mobile.

Personally, I’ve only ventured south of the Mason-Dixon line once in almost 15 years. I can’t think of many things that would draw me back down there.

65 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:22:51am

re: #61 Vicious Babushka

How dangerous is it to be Driving While Juice in those places?

Will you be wearing Yid Army shirts or not?
/ ;)

66 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:23:07am

re: #63 FemNaziBitch

It is slushing where I am, but none of it is sticking.

you?

We had water fall from the sky… once.

But that was a long time ago.

67 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:23:37am

re: #63 FemNaziBitch

It is slushing where I am, but none of it is sticking.

you?

Drizzle here in Philly. But I’d accept a nice hard frost for a day or two if it would kill the damn ragweed.
O_O

68 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:23:49am

re: #64 CuriousLurker

Personally, I’ve only ventured south of the Mason-Dixon line once in almost 15 years. I can’t think of many things that would draw me back down there.

A buddy of mine from Jersey would call it the Mason-Dickhead line.

69 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:24:35am

re: #65 Feline Fearless Leader

Will you be wearing Yid Army shirts or not?
/ ;)

DETROIT TIGERS.

70 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:24:41am

re: #68 Kragar

A buddy of mine from Jersey would call it the Mason-Dickhead line.

Which side are the Masons on?

71 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:24:58am

re: #67 Feline Fearless Leader

Drizzle here in Philly. But I’d accept a nice hard frost for a day or two if it would kill the damn ragweed.
O_O

We need a hard frost here in the Rhineland, the grape harvest is going full swing, the winemakers press out their grapes and then cump out the skins, stems and seeds back in the vineyards as fertilizer.

If it is too warm, it is the ultimate breeding ground for swarms of fruit flies that infest everything.

72 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:25:32am

re: #70 Feline Fearless Leader

Which side are the Masons on?

Depends on who has the best deal on aprons.

73 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:26:13am

re: #64 CuriousLurker

Personally, I’ve only ventured south of the Mason-Dixon line once in almost 15 years. I can’t think of many things that would draw me back down there.

I don’t like to go South of 40 degrees latitude. (except to visit D.C. and Hawaii)

74 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:27:02am

re: #67 Feline Fearless Leader

Drizzle here in Philly. But I’d accept a nice hard frost for a day or two if it would kill the damn ragweed.
O_O

They say we may get that. I am praying to the Spaghetti Monster and Cthulhu.

75 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:27:05am
76 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:27:46am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

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They are innovative because?

77 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:28:06am

re: #76 FemNaziBitch

They are innovative because?

Don’t ask me.

78 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:29:19am

re: #76 FemNaziBitch

They are innovative because?

Heh, I’m guess that was sarcasm.

79 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:30:00am

re: #63 FemNaziBitch

It is slushing where I am, but none of it is sticking.

you?

I am not sticking.

80 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:30:37am

re: #79 wrenchwench

I am not sticking.

Good to hear.

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:30:43am

re: #62 Feline Fearless Leader

SInce I’m generally routing that way via Columbus (and points east) that is not a good option to me. My alternative if I have extra time is to swing down deep into West Virginia and come across via I-64 through Charleston and bypass Cincy entirely. Fairly scenic since you get hills of WV and eastern Kentucky as compared to the flatness and Giant Jesus Head* of central and southern Ohio.

* - IIRC, GJH burned downed. But has probably been replaced by now.
en.wikipedia.org

Going your route, you pass within about 50 miles from me!

82 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:31:06am

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve got an ancient Mac Mini with OS X 10.4.11. Wonder if I could get an OS upgrade?

You can run 10.5 on it but it will probably run slower and it does away with classic so if you have any old pre-OS X software it won’t run them. Leaving it at 10.4.11 & installing TenFourFox for a more up to date web browser is probably the better option for using that machine. Depending on what you do, it’s still a reasonable little box.

83 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:31:34am

Was in the Ohio Valley area this weekend. Traffic in Louisville and Lexington sucked. Worse than Chicago. Unbelievable!

84 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:31:44am

re: #63 FemNaziBitch

It is slushing where I am, but none of it is sticking.

you?

I get the slushing tomorrow night…

85 klys  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:32:24am

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

I get the slushing tomorrow night…

These are things that happen when you stop having highs in the 80s, right?

/sigh

86 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:32:57am

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve got an ancient Mac Mini with OS X 10.4.11. Wonder if I could get an OS upgrade?

Pretty sure only the new software versions are going to be free, because of accounting rules.

87 jaunte  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:33:00am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

Reminds me of this:
restorationhardware.com

88 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:33:08am

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

I get the slushing tomorrow night…

Some slushies are more equal than others

89 piratedan  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:33:42am

re: #85 klys

supposed to be 90 here in the Old Pueblo tomorrow…..

90 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:34:07am

re: #82 William Barnett-Lewis

You can run 10.5 on it but it will probably run slower and it does away with classic so if you have any old pre-OS X software it won’t run them. Leaving it at 10.4.11 & installing TenFourFox for a more up to date web browser is probably the better option for using that machine. Depending on what you do, it’s still a reasonable little box.

I use it for newspaper work: editing, writing obituaries, etc.
I also didn’t pay for it, the boss shipped it to me many years ago so I could be on a Mac like everyone else at the home office in Illinois.

91 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:34:26am

BTW, here is the Single Page link to the article at the top.

This just ain’t right:

For instance, an update about the T.S.A.’s Transportation Security Enforcement Record System, which contains information about travelers accused of “violations or potential violations” of security regulations, warns that the records may be shared with “a debt collection agency for the purpose of debt collection.”

92 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:34:29am
93 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:34:41am

re: #83 FemNaziBitch

Was in the Ohio Valley area this weekend. Traffic in Louisville and Lexington sucked. Worse than Chicago. Unbelievable!

Yeah, traffic up there is horrid.

94 piratedan  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:35:47am

re: #92 Charles Johnson

let me know if a FISA warrant is needed in order to get an ACA quote from the exchange willya? /////

95 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:38:42am

Just checked the weather forecast.
Just rain tonight and tomorrow.
Slushies are for Thursday morning now.
Note to self: do shopping and errands tomorrow…

96 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:39:07am

re: #76 FemNaziBitch

They are innovative because?

Somebody has the nerve to ask 80 bucks for them. It’s a new frontier in senseless pricing.

97 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:39:23am
98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:40:36am

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel

Somebody has the nerve to ask 80 bucks for them. It’s a new frontier in senseless pricing.

And make sure to stand in line…ALL.FREAKIN.NIGHT!

99 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:41:27am
100 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:42:03am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

And make sure to stand in line…ALL.FREAKIN.NIGHT!

America: Where people will stand in line for a week for a phone or a shirtless vampire, but if you can’t get insurance in 15 minutes, the government is a total failure.

101 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:42:16am

re: #92 Charles Johnson

102 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:42:23am

re: #61 Vicious Babushka

How dangerous is it to be Driving While Juice in those places?

Very very remote risk, basically a chance that some other kind of encounter (auto accident etc.) might go bad. Orthodox dress, being more obvious, increases the slight risk. It’s still far less likely to raise an unpleasant incident than an inter-racial couple. Even then you’re talking about dirty looks or a comment. The crap has been driven to the background minority. Chances of hitting a deer are much more threatening. Bring your own food (especially pie if you’re coming south of the Pea River).

103 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:42:54am

re: #100 Kragar

America: Where people will stand in line for a week for a phone or a shirtless vampire, but if you can’t get insurance in 15 minutes, the government is a total failure.

Shirtless vampire? Sorry, if it sparkles, it ain’t a vampire.

104 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:43:59am

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

I use it for newspaper work: editing, writing obituaries, etc.
I also didn’t pay for it, the boss shipped it to me many years ago so I could be on a Mac like everyone else at the home office in Illinois.

Given that, as long as what you need to use runs well, I’d suggest not worrying about it. That’s the up side to Macs. They’ll keep chugging away longer than most of the equivalent PCs (IME, and all that). If your word processor works fine then you’re good to go.

105 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:45:32am

LGF Pages authors - the new version of the bookmarklet opens the popup window in the center of your screen. Do you like this new feature or prefer the old upper left placement?

106 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:45:46am

re: #103 Targetpractice

Shirtless vampire? Sorry, if it sparkles, it ain’t a vampire.

I’d almost be willing to pay to see sparkly versus a Brian Lumley vampire, except it would only last about 3 seconds.

107 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:45:56am

re: #105 Charles Johnson

LGF Pages authors - the new version of the bookmarklet opens the popup window in the center of your screen. Do you like this new feature or prefer the old upper left placement?

latter

108 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:46:25am

re: #104 William Barnett-Lewis

Given that, as long as what you need to use runs well, I’d suggest not worrying about it. That’s the up side to Macs. They’ll keep chugging away longer than most of the equivalent PCs (IME, and all that). If your word processor works fine then you’re good to go.

It’s just getting so slow anymore.
Just old age, I suppose…

109 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:47:26am

re: #105 Charles Johnson

LGF Pages authors - the new version of the bookmarklet opens the popup window in the center of your screen. Do you like this new feature or prefer the old upper left placement?

upper left.
But I’m cool with it either way.

110 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:47:47am

re: #102 Decatur Deb

Very very remote risk, basically a chance that some other kind of encounter (auto accident etc.) might go bad. Orthodox dress, being more obvious, increases the slight risk. It’s still far less likely to raise an unpleasant incident than an inter-racial couple. Even then you’re talking about dirty looks or a comment. The crap has been driven to the background minority. Chances of hitting a deer are much more threatening. Bring your own food (especially pie if you’re coming south of the Pea River).

We always travel with our own food but we do stop for coffee, also Zedushka is very conspicuous in black hat, etc.

My son says that he is always the object of reverence and he knows how to talk “wingnut” and “Bible stuff”

He said to please bring a bunch of deli meat and rye bread!

111 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:47:49am
112 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:47:57am

re: #105 Charles Johnson

LGF Pages authors - the new version of the bookmarklet opens the popup window in the center of your screen. Do you like this new feature or prefer the old upper left placement?

Doesn’t matter to me, I’m just glad you were able to bypass the popup blocking. It was a PITA having to specifically okay the window every time.

113 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:48:37am

Argh, work. Later…

114 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:48:39am

re: #106 Kragar

I’d almost be willing to pay to see sparkly versus a Brian Lumley vampire, except it would only last about 3 seconds.

Blade vs. Twilight. Movie would be five minutes long, two of which would be devoted to the opening and ending credits.

115 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:50:04am

re: #105 Charles Johnson

LGF Pages authors - the new version of the bookmarklet opens the popup window in the center of your screen. Do you like this new feature or prefer the old upper left placement?

I popped up a couple of demos. I don’t care about the location, but I lost the scroll bar on the right of the box. It’s there for the text box, but I can’t see the tweet controls, etc.

116 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:51:03am

re: #105 Charles Johnson

LGF Pages authors - the new version of the bookmarklet opens the popup window in the center of your screen. Do you like this new feature or prefer the old upper left placement?

One thing I noticed is that the window opens too small and I have to drag it wider. and then scroll down to find the Submit button. I thought maybe this had to do with the font size being set to 110% but it’s the same even if the font size is at 100%.

117 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:51:08am

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

We always travel with our own food but we do stop for coffee, also Zedushka is very conspicuous in black hat, etc.

My son says that he is always the object of reverence and he knows how to talk “wingnut” and “Bible stuff”

He said to please bring a bunch of deli meat and rye bread!

Your son obviously has a much better appreciation of the northern part of the state. if you stop, Zedushka is likely to be approached by strangers who mistake him for Amish and want to talk about Witness.

118 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:53:14am
119 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:53:19am

re: #117 Decatur Deb

Your son obviously has a much better appreciation of the northern part of the state. if you stop, Zedushka is likely to be approached by strangers who mistake him for Amish and want to talk about Witness.

Hilarity ensued many years ago when a bunch of my sons thought it would be cool to visit Lancaster, PA.

Wasn’t that Witness movie like from the ‘80’s? Who even knows about it any more?

120 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:53:29am

re: #114 Targetpractice

Blade vs. Twilight. Movie would be five minutes long, two of which would be devoted to the opening and ending credits.

Youtube Video

121 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:54:02am

re: #117 Decatur Deb

Your son obviously has a much better appreciation of the northern part of the state. if you stop, Zedushka is likely to be approached by strangers who mistake him for Amish and want to talk about Witness.

When Mr. w’s beard turned gray, young Mormon ladies started calling him ‘sir’.

122 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:54:05am
123 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:54:40am

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

please share, EVERYWHERE

Could do without the dog-fighting reference….

124 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:54:55am

That reminds me.

My brother had a sit down interview with Harrison Ford as part of the Ender’s Game press tour.

Ass.

125 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:55:01am

DERP!

126 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:55:25am

re: #119 Vicious Babushka

Hilarity ensued many years ago when a bunch of my sons thought it would be cool to visit Lancaster, PA.

Wasn’t that Witness movie like from the ‘80’s? Who even knows about it any more?

My favorite piece of Habitat porn:

Youtube Video

127 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:56:59am

Sarcastic Amish guy

Youtube Video

128 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:58:18am
129 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:59:14am

re: #60 William of Orange

>Hell froze over, lizzards!

Fox actually made a wise decision…..

…by cutting an interview with Jenna Jameson short.

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Damn! All those memories we had, torn to pieces!!

(Did I say that out loud??)

Jameson endorsed Romney last year. “When you’re rich, you want a Republican in office.” Romney’s reaction, if any, has not been recorded.

130 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:59:35am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

DERP!

[Embedded content]

Kleagle, it rhymes with Beagle.

WTF —grown men and we are supposed to take them seriously?

131 EPR-radar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:59:56am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

Wingnut history ends right before the civil rights era. Can’t imagine why they would choose such a convenient dividing line…

132 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:00:07pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

Could do without the dog-fighting reference….

I didn’t make it. Just sharing it.

133 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:00:21pm

re: #130 FemNaziBitch

Kleagle, it rhymes with Beagle.

WTF —grown men and we are supposed to take them seriously?

134 erik_t  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:01:16pm

Woodrow Wilson is a Democratic icon?

lololololololol

135 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:01:26pm
136 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:02:06pm

bbl

137 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:04:15pm
138 piratedan  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:06:08pm

re: #137 Kragar

great idea, so we can now pay rich people for the privilege of seeing America, should they decide in their largesse to let the great unwashed access it. Fuck Beck with a rusty pitchfork.

139 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:07:25pm
140 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:07:59pm

re: #139 Vicious Babushka

141 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:09:46pm

re: #121 wrenchwench

When Mr. w’s beard turned gray, young Mormon ladies started calling him ‘sir’.

As they should.

142 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:12:11pm

Bluegrassian Rhapsody

Youtube Video

143 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:13:38pm

re: #137 Kragar

I hope the ghost of Theodore Roosevelt haunts him. Just the gleaming grin and the glint off the pince-nez there in the shadows near his bed.

144 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:15:28pm

Can you folks having problems with the size of the Pages window take screen shots and upload them so I can see exactly what’s going on?

145 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:17:02pm

Also, I just made a small change to the bookmarklet that should put the scrollbars back in there.

146 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:17:46pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

Can you folks having problems with the size of the Pages window take screen shots and upload them so I can see exactly what’s going on?

FWIW, I’m not having a size problem with the Pages window (Windows 7, Firefox 24.0)

147 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:18:04pm

re: #33 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts all butthurt over Alan Grayson email:

[Embedded content]

Twitchy. so do I.

148 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:18:44pm

re: #137 Kragar

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Yeah, because what we in America need is for our national parks to be turned in lumber yards, uranium mines, and tourist traps.

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:21:57pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

FWIW, I’m not having a size problem with the Pages window (Windows 7, Firefox 24.0)

I take that back. I was using an earlier version of the Bookmarklet.
Using the new one, there are no scroll bars.

screenshot

150 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:24:15pm


Which puts Cooch in prime territory to be in the running for the GOP presidential primaries.

151 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:26:34pm
152 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:26:36pm

re: #150 Kragar

Is it sad that I misread that at first as “Russian Poll”?

153 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:27:16pm

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it sad that I misread that at first as “Russian Poll”?

If it was Russian, the Tea Party would believe it.

154 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:27:23pm

re: #151 Kragar

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Wouldn’t it be a pop up asking your race and religion, in which any response other than “white” and “christian” directs you to the ACA site?

155 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:27:41pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

I take that back. I was using an earlier version of the Bookmarklet.
Using the new one, there are no scroll bars.

screenshot

ETA: In the absence of the scroll bar, I can navigate the window using the up and down arrows.

156 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:27:50pm

re: #150 Kragar

Santorum running mate.

157 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:27:55pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

I take that back. I was using an earlier version of the Bookmarklet.
Using the new one, there are no scroll bars.

screenshot

Reinstall it and the scroll bars should be visible again.

158 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:30:10pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

Reinstall it and the scroll bars should be visible again.

Ok, got scroll bars back now. (I forgot to refresh this page to get the new one, lol!)

159 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:30:20pm

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

Wilson was born and raised in the South. I wonder if Ben Friend Of Hamas Shapiro knows that.

160 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:30:52pm

re: #159 Bulworth

Wilson was born and raised in the South. I wonder if Ben Friend Of Hamas Shapiro knows that.

All Ben knows is HURR HURR DEMOCRAT!!!11!!!!

161 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:31:23pm

re: #150 Kragar

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Which puts Cooch in prime territory to be in the running for the GOP presidential primaries.

Not to worry, I’ve been assured that the third-party candidate can’t take better than 2% in the polls on election day, which means Cucci is assuredly just days away from squeaking out a “come from behind” win!

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162 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:31:54pm

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

I would have thought the Breitbarts liked them some Birth of a Nation. Author of Birth of a Nation was just a “race realist”. /

163 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:32:06pm

re: #150 Kragar

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Which puts Cooch in prime territory to be in the running for the GOP presidential primaries.

Wait…Rasmussen? Aren’t they the GOP’s favorite pollster?

164 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:33:55pm

No doubt that if Cucci does better than he’s polling, it’ll be treated like Lonegan’s stomping, namely a “victory” by the wingnuts because he did better than he polled and that means that turn-out was strong, something that will surely help them next year!

165 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:36:37pm

re: #150 Kragar

Which puts Cooch in prime territory to be in the running for the GOP presidential primaries.

If you unskew that poll you’ll find that Cooch is ahead “M” to “[stack overflow error]”.

166 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:37:41pm
167 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:37:52pm

Demon-focused ex-Navy chaplain ‘Dr. Chaps’ is running for elected office

Gordon “Dr. Chaps” Klingenschmitt announced Tuesday that he’s running in the Republican primary for the 15th District seat in Colorado’s State House.

He released an 8-minute, 44-second video asking voters to support him in his race, but he declines to mention some of his controversial stances, including his recent claims that Jesus wants his followers to sell their clothes and buy a gun and the Affordable Care Act causes cancer.

Klingenschmitt also claims to have successfully performed an exorcism on a lesbian soldier and tried to exorcise demonic spirits from President Barack Obama.

168 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:38:15pm

hmmmm….

A list of what could have gotten you admitted to West Virginia’s Hospital for the Insane (Weston) aka Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum back in the late-1800s

List of reasons for admission to an insane asylum from the late 1800s

169 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:38:58pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

Reinstall it and the scroll bars should be visible again.

Everything’s AOK here.

Bookmarklet version: 1.1.3

170 blueraven  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:39:53pm

re: #166 darthstar

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I don’t understand the hate on Ezra. He has been a strong advocate for ACA. Just because he isn’t denying the severity of the problems doesn’t make him the enemy here.

171 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:44:00pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmmm….

List of reasons for admission to an insane asylum from the late 1800s

Note to self: avoid time travel to late 1800s

172 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:45:03pm

re: #171 Kragar

Note to self: avoid time travel to late 1800s

I think that is the list of reasons that were given AFTER patients were admitted, not that they went around looking for all the people with those conditions.

173 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:45:18pm

There were problems with the roll-outs of SS and Medicare as well. Hell, does anybody today talk much about the issues with the roll-out of Part D, despite it not even being a full decade old? Of course not.

174 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:45:23pm

re: #170 blueraven

I don’t understand the hate on Ezra. He has been a strong advocate for ACA. Just because he isn’t denying the severity of the problems doesn’t make him the enemy here.

He wasn’t just recognizing the severity of the problems, he was hyping them and helping a misleading narrative. He’s on my shit list until the healthcare.gov site issues are resolved.

175 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:46:06pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

Yeah, because what we in America need is for our national parks to be turned in lumber yards, uranium mines, and tourist traps.

Because we really want some mining company dicking around next to the supervolcano in Yellowstone.

176 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:47:23pm

re: #150 Kragar

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Which puts Cooch in prime territory to be in the running for the GOP presidential primaries.

If those number hold - albeit with some minor deviation - there will be many bitter tears of impotent rage in Outer Wingnuttia in a couple of weeks.

177 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:47:41pm

re: #172 Vicious Babushka

I think that is the list of reasons that were given AFTER patients were admitted, not that they went around looking for all the people with those conditions.

Better safe than sorry.

178 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:48:42pm

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

179 leftynyc  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:49:11pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmmm….

List of reasons for admission to an insane asylum from the late 1800s

Fighting fire? Isn’t that what you’re supposed to do?

180 allegro  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:49:13pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmmm….

List of reasons for admission to an insane asylum from the late 1800s

Jeez now I can’t get images - like Reefer madness type images - of deranged masterbation outa mah brain. Santorum and Cruz are involved…. ew.

181 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:49:25pm

re: #175 The Ghost of a Flea

Because we really want some mining company dicking around next to the supervolcano in Yellowstone.

Lightly settled area. Just turn it over to industry for wind farms, geothermal, wastewater injection, power generation from Wyoming and Colorado coal, and that nice valley that can be dammed to hold a big pile of fly ash slurry.
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182 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:49:36pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

There were problems with the roll-outs of SS and Medicare as well. Hell, does anybody today talk much about the issues with the roll-out of Part D, despite it not even being a full decade old? Of course not.

The only good thing I can see from all this hype is that it will have run its course by Thanksgiving or Xmas at the latest. My guess is the QA team is pretty busy right now performance testing different fixes for the website to see what’s stable enough to go out. It’s not like they have to reinvent the whole site - but it’s definitely a few weeks of repairs before the site will be up and fully capable of handling the 30 million customers it’s supposed to.

Not an issue in states like California and Kentucky that set up their own exchanges - mostly it’s the states that tried to sabotage the law that are suffering from this. Others just have an automatic redirect to a state-specific site.

183 blueraven  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:50:01pm

re: #174 darthstar

He wasn’t just recognizing the severity of the problems, he was hyping them and helping a misleading narrative. He’s on my shit list until the healthcare.gov site issues are resolved.

I don’t see it that way at all. He has been touting the benefits of the ACA for a very long time, even more hopeful of healthcare cost benefits than most. He wants the damn thing to work.

If the only voices criticizing are from the right, it will not carry as much weight. Tough love.

184 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:50:14pm

Got back Late Sunday night from Battle of The Hook across the river from Yorktown. Had a great time with my son as part of the 2nd North Carolina Regt. 1,500 re-enactors for the American, French and British armies and navel forces ( navel landings were enacted both days using batteaux armed with swivel guns).

Unbelievable to see just how big the event was. We also got to do some very cool light infantry stuff, including moving quickly to extended order (10 feet apart) and having dragoons literally charge right through our ranks from behind at full speed with their sabres drawn, and also surprising a Brit unit when we came crashing out of a cornfield on their flank and fired.

Long drive home to central NC from Yorktown though.

185 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:50:24pm

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

If those number hold - albeit with some minor deviation - there will be many bitter tears of impotent rage in Outer Wingnuttia in a couple of weeks.

The Freepers are, as always, going through the various stages of grief over this poll, whether it be Denial (“I don’t believe it!”), Anger (“The ‘establishment’ fucked Cucci over!”), Bargaining (“Maybe the poll’s an outlier…”), Depression (“Cucci’s sunk”), and some have each reached Acceptance (“He wasn’t that great a candidate anyway.”)

186 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:51:22pm

re: #171 Kragar

Note to self: avoid time travel to late 1800s

I think most of those diagnosis were actually suggested band names for Pink Floyd back in the early days of the band.

187 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:51:23pm

re: #62 Feline Fearless Leader

SInce I’m generally routing that way via Columbus (and points east) that is not a good option to me. My alternative if I have extra time is to swing down deep into West Virginia and come across via I-64 through Charleston and bypass Cincy entirely. Fairly scenic since you get hills of WV and eastern Kentucky as compared to the flatness and Giant Jesus Head* of central and southern Ohio.

* - IIRC, GJH burned downed. But has probably been replaced by now.
en.wikipedia.org

Big Butter Jesus YouTube Video by Heywood Banks

Youtube Video

188 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:52:33pm

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

They’ll rejoice in True Conservative Chris Christie’s re-election in NJ. //

189 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:53:41pm

re: #183 blueraven

I don’t see it that way at all. He has been touting the benefits of the ACA for a very long time, even more hopeful of healthcare cost benefits than most. He wants the damn thing to work.

If the only voices criticizing are from the right, it will not carry as much weight. Tough love.

Yeah, you have a point, and a good one at that. I guess I’m just tired of people feeding the trolls. There is a way to acknowledge issues without throwing the people who worked their asses off to get the site up in the first place under the bus.

190 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:54:34pm

DERP

191 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:55:35pm

re: #182 darthstar

The only good thing I can see from all this hype is that it will have run its course by Thanksgiving or Xmas at the latest. My guess is the QA team is pretty busy right now performance testing different fixes for the website to see what’s stable enough to go out. It’s not like they have to reinvent the whole site - but it’s definitely a few weeks of repairs before the site will be up and fully capable of handling the 30 million customers it’s supposed to.

Not an issue in states like California and Kentucky that set up their own exchanges - mostly it’s the states that tried to sabotage the law that are suffering from this. Others just have an automatic redirect to a state-specific site.

One of TPM’s comments actually brought up a very good point that a lot of folks have overlooked in their rush to criticize the website, namely that the entire insurance exchange set-up is relying upon a government server backbone that is of varying ages and no doubt numerous patches over the years to keep running. And the process of signing someone up for a policy is a complex procedure requiring data transfers to numerous databases, the fault at any stage enough to send back an error code and bring the application process to a halt.

Not to mention the reality that’s not been widely acknowledged by a media trying to remain “neutral,” namely that this problem wouldn’t be as big of one if various governors and legislators hadn’t sabotaged efforts at the state level to set up exchanges. You’re not hearing the sort of chaos that’s been attributed to the federal exchange as much in the state exchanges that do exist.

192 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:55:45pm

HURR HURR JESUS WOULD HAVE TOTALLY WANTED PEOPLE WITH PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS TO JUST DIE!!!111!!11

193 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:57:06pm

If I understand this derp correctly, derpers want insurance subsidies declared illegal in some states so they don’t have to buy low-cost, subsidized insurance.

This just makes more and moar sense all the time. //

194 b.d.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:57:38pm

Nice to see such a small overlap of LIberals on Twitter who hate Jesus

195 darthstar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:58:02pm
196 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 12:58:21pm

Slate fact checks the NYT piece where they claim 5 million lines of code need to be fixed, and that it contained 500 million lines of code.

And finds the entire exercise wanting for actual, you know, facts.

But while the numbers in the Times article don’t tell us much about the healthcare.gov codebase itself, they do tell us something about the “specialist” sources that inform the article. The sources are not programmers, because programmers would not speak in terms of lines of code with no further context. We hear that “disarray has distinguished the project” in part because government “officials modified hardware and software requirements for the exchange seven times.” The officials probably modified them 70 times—requirements for any software project are constantly in flux, and it’s expected that project managers and software engineers will adapt. Modifications alone do not signal a project in disarray.

We hear that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) lacked the expertise to link the individual pieces of healthcare.gov together. That does not explain why the “data hub”—the single component provided by Quality Software Services Inc.—proved to be “a particular source of trouble,” something I had surmised two weeks ago. If individual contractors were producing garbage, CMS’s expertise or lack thereof wouldn’t have made a difference to the final product.

The sources also say that CGI Federal, which won the $90 million contract to develop healthcare.gov’s back end, was asked to replace the data hub, though this approach was abandoned as “too risky.” That’s a hint that the article’s sources seem eager to shift the blame to CMS, to the White House, and to QSSI, and away from CGI. The Times claims that CGI was not responsible for healthcare.gov’s “integration,” but the Washington Post’s Lydia DePillis reports that CGI Federal was in fact responsible for “knitting all the pieces together, making Quality Software Services’ data hub work seamlessly with Development Seed’s sleek user interface and Oracle’s identity management software.”

I have no idea who the Times’ sources were, but they sure sound like employees of CGI Federal. Because they almost certainly aren’t programmers, I’d guess they are probably mid- or high-level managers who are trying to salvage CGI Federal’s reputation. They may well be “specialists,” but their specialty is more likely the art of procuring government contracts.

197 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:01:15pm

re: #178 Kragar

lol

198 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:01:46pm

Swanson: Hillary Clinton Will ‘Obliterate’ Society By Helping Women; Obamacare Leads To Death Camps

The Colorado-based pastor was upset about a Bloomberg Businessweek article which linked economic development to more liberal divorce laws. He warned that efforts backed by Clinton to improve women’s economic status will “destroy the nuclear family” — and society at large — by convincing a woman to “divorce her husband and walk away with her own cow.”

“What does it do when Hillary Clinton buys a cow for an African women so that she can have her own cow and ‘the heart of her husband will not safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need to spoil’ (Proverbs 31:11). In the end what happens when Hillary Clinton buys 100,000 cows for 100,000 families in Kenya so that the woman can own her own cow and the family economy will be obliterated in Africa.”

199 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:02:42pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

The Freepers are, as always, going through the various stages of grief over this poll, whether it be Denial (“I don’t believe it!”), Anger (“The ‘establishment’ fucked Cucci over!”), Bargaining (“Maybe the poll’s an outlier…”), Depression (“Cucci’s sunk”), and some have each reached Acceptance (“He wasn’t that great a candidate anyway.”)

I noticed that as well; I glanced over there.

200 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:04:07pm

re: #198 Kragar

Swanson: Hillary Clinton Will ‘Obliterate’ Society By Helping Women; Obamacare Leads To Death Camps

Translation: “Things were better when women were glorified house pets!”

201 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:05:16pm
202 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:05:30pm
203 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:06:49pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

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The people who would have told Caesar to go fuck himself about taxes and would be buddies with the money changers are suggesting that Jesus would have hated a program to provide affordable health care to the poor?

204 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:07:52pm
205 erik_t  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:08:11pm

Blindness, paralyzation and leprosy are apparently not pre-existing conditions.

206 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:08:29pm

re: #204 Kragar

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Die quickly and reduce the surplus population.

207 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:08:49pm
208 b.d.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:09:04pm

There are an equal number of liberals who tweet as there are Jesus haters.

You learn something new everyday.

209 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:09:04pm

re: #193 Bulworth

If I understand this derp correctly, derpers want insurance subsidies declared illegal in some states so they don’t have to buy low-cost, subsidized insurance.

This just makes more and moar sense all the time. //

They keep hearing Obama in their head saying, “I have changed the deal. Pray I don’t change it any further.”
/

210 erik_t  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:12:08pm

re: #209 Feline Fearless Leader

They keep hearing Obama in their head saying, “I have changed the deal. Pray I don’t change it any further.”
/

Darth Vader wore black.
Obama often wears black.
Darth Vader was voiced by a black guy.
Obama is voiced by a black guy.
Darth Vader was very tall.
Obama likes playing basketball, and therefore is presumably tall.

The logic is flawless.

211 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:12:16pm
212 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:12:28pm

re: #204 Kragar

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“#PresidentShamWow” …really?
How old are these people?

213 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:12:34pm

There’s no GOP alternative to the ACA because the ACA was their idea in the first place. Newt used to tout the individual mandate as a great thing because it ensured there would be no “free-loaders,” made everybody responsible for their own care by getting them into the system and thus part of large pools to keep costs down.

214 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:12:51pm

re: #209 Feline Fearless Leader

Need more video:

Youtube Video

215 b.d.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:12:52pm

So what’s the problem?

216 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:15:09pm

Yeah I can explain:
HURR HURR FREE MARKET!!!1!!!! LOWEST BIDDER!!!1!!!!!

217 b.d.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:15:26pm

Remember that part of the bible where Jesus held a bake sale to help pay for a buddie’s kidney transplant?

218 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:16:51pm

So many of the “problems” with the ACA are inherent problems with the idea of having healthcare being “for profit.” An example is all the talk I’m hearing from critics of the law declaring it’ll fail because young folks will just continue to go without insurance and pay the penalty, thus ensuring that the pools will be too small/weighed down by the elderly and sick and lead to the companies being bankrupt.

But how exactly was the GOP going to avoid such a problem in their own plan? They’ve already promised much of the same goodies, such as keeping insurance til your kids 26 and no pre-existing conditions. So how could they get everybody insured and keep costs down without some form of enforcement mechanism to force the young to sign up?

219 Slap  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:17:31pm

re: #133 Vicious Babushka

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He’s such a Dipshit.

That quote actually mitigates the idea that Wilson “loved” it — the fact that he acknowledges the truth of the depicted horror, and was saddened by that truth.

Besides that — Birth of a Nation, technically speaking, was the pre-1920 equivalent of something along the lines of Avatar. Cinema wasn’t exactly advanced, and that film must have seemed like sorcery of sorts to audiences at the time. It had to have been almost overwhelming.

220 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:18:19pm

re: #217 b.d.

Remember that part of the bible where Jesus held a bake sale to help pay for a buddie’s kidney transplant?

Isn’t that what the loaves and fishes thing was for?
/

221 b.d.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:18:37pm

Bad Website = same breathless coverage as Gvt. Shutdown and Default

222 jaunte  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:19:08pm

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

Really? With folks out of work?

“Folks out of work” is who I always look for to do my complex coding tasks.

223 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:19:14pm

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

Yeah I can explain:
HURR HURR FREE MARKET!!!1!!!! LOWEST BIDDER!!!1!!!!!

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geez…they wanted smaller government, they got it, now they have a sad…

224 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:20:07pm

re: #222 jaunte

“Folks out of work” is who I always look for to do my complex coding tasks.

“I got room in the back of the truck for 3 coders.”

225 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:20:25pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

geez…they wanted smaller government, they got it, now they have a sad…

the RW talking point is that it was outsourced to Canada. Which it was, after a fashinon, to the American subsidy of a Canadian-based firm.

Who needs nuance when we have a nation to save?

226 jaunte  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:20:26pm

re: #221 b.d.

Suggested Q’s?

Is a glitchy website as bad as wasting $24 billion on nothing?

227 b.d.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:20:44pm

Can we get a hurricane in the Gulf or something?

228 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:21:05pm

re: #222 jaunte

“Folks out of work” is who I always look for to do my complex coding tasks.

If you want to hire people who are already working you have to offer them MOAR MONEY than they are already making.

229 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:21:12pm

re: #211 Kragar

“If I cure you, you’ll just become dependent. Suck it up.”

230 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:21:42pm

re: #221 b.d.

Bad Website = same breathless coverage as Gvt. Shutdown and Default

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Where’s the GOP’s alternative plan? It’s been three years.

231 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:22:20pm

What right-wing racism?

232 b.d.  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:23:33pm
233 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:24:03pm

re: #231 Vicious Babushka

What right-wing racism?

[Embedded content]

Need to swap out the second picture with one of Bristol Palin…

234 freetoken  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:24:22pm

re: #232 b.d.

Really, really desperate networks looking for anything to fill up their 24 hours a day.

235 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:24:30pm

Like I said during the shutdown, if Wolf were any denser, he’d collapse into a singularity.

236 freetoken  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:26:24pm

Does the ACA cover missing phalluses?

The disappearing phallic sculptures of Iran

Located in the green hills of northeast Iran, the Khalid Nabid Cemetery, also known as the “Valley of Genitalia”, is a historic site famous for its very phallic sculptures, thought by some to be gravestones. Recently, however, visitors have noticed that many of them have gone missing.

Our Observer, who works in the tourism industry, says that about half of the original 600 sculptures have vanished in the last few of years.

[…]

237 jaunte  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:27:57pm

re: #236 freetoken

Some traditional Asian medicines reported to have “much grittier taste.”

238 piratedan  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:30:15pm

re: #232 b.d.

yes Wolf, lets talk about how those Governors from Red States are directly impacting their citizens by refusing the Medicaid expansion and how that’s like a website that is a work in progress while there’s still two and a half months to register….

239 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:31:12pm

re: #236 freetoken

Does the ACA cover missing phalluses?

The disappearing phallic sculptures of Iran

They’re probably over at that insane asylum in West Virginia…
//

240 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:32:20pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

geez…they wanted smaller government, they got it, now they have a sad…

I had to laugh watching that wingnut from NC whining to Carol Costello on CNN that ‘people can’t wait for this!’ and simultaneously declaring ACA a failure across the board.

So…you demand the web site be fixed so…what? So people can sign on to a ‘failure?’

These people make very little sense when you actually listen to what they say.

241 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:32:56pm

re: #221 b.d.

Bad Website = same breathless coverage as Gvt. Shutdown and Default

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Suggested Q: Why would any news organization ever employ Wolf Blitzer?

242 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:33:53pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

They’re probably over at that insane asylum in West Virginia…
//

No, they’ve been poached, transported across the continent and ground up to make aphrodisiacs for the Chinese market.

//?

243 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:34:50pm

re: #242 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

No, they’ve been poached, transported across the continent and ground up to make aphrodisiacs for the Chinese market.

//?

ahhh… thus the “much grittier taste”….

244 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:35:02pm
245 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:35:40pm

re: #241 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Suggested Q: Why would any news organization ever employ Wolf Blitzer?

“How many wolves have you ever actually blitzed?”

246 piratedan  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:36:38pm

re: #245 Kragar

Are you descended from reindeer?

247 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:38:35pm

Think the only thing funnier is media personalities accusing the President of having lost credibility over Healthcare.gov’s roll-out. Really? To steal from Robin Williams, that’s like a group of lepers judging a beauty contest.

248 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:40:23pm

re: #245 Kragar

“How many wolves have you ever actually blitzed?”

What algorithm is it that hyphenates “Blitzer” between “Bl” and “itzer’?

249 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:41:09pm

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

Kentucky is one of the most beautiful states I’ve seen (natural beauty). And I recommend you stay in Cincinnati! It’s a beautiful city also.

250 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:43:13pm

re: #249 urbanmeemaw

Kentucky is one of the most beautiful states I’ve seen (natural beauty). And I recommend you stay in Cincinnati! It’s a beautiful city also.

Just be careful when there in late November. Rumor has it that turkeys fall out the sky there sometimes!
;)

251 freetoken  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:44:44pm

A particularly fact-avoiding article from WaPo writer Max Fischer:


Six reasons the U.S. and Saudi Arabia are moving apart

Ever since the United States and Saudi Arabia fell into something of an alliance in the late 1970s, the world’s most unlikely partnership has had lots of down moments. […]

As if there was no FDR and Ibn Saud meeting in 1945.

Continuing:

(6) Oil: Declining cooperation. As the U.S. starts to produce more of its own energy resources and import less from the Middle East, it has less interest in Saudi oil. And Saudi Arabia is selling more of its oil to China, which just became the world’s largest net importer. Still, oil prices are set on a global market, so as a net importer, the U.S. would like to see Saudi oil continue to flow.

Umm, just no.

First off, confusing all of US energy production with “oil”. Then, apparently not knowing that for many decades KSA has been a very minor source of petroleum that the US imported.

Will Bezos look for editors who will check their writers for factualness in his new pet toy?

252 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:45:45pm
253 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:46:05pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

So many of the “problems” with the ACA are inherent problems with the idea of having healthcare being “for profit.” An example is all the talk I’m hearing from critics of the law declaring it’ll fail because young folks will just continue to go without insurance and pay the penalty, thus ensuring that the pools will be too small/weighed down by the elderly and sick and lead to the companies being bankrupt.

But how exactly was the GOP going to avoid such a problem in their own plan? They’ve already promised much of the same goodies, such as keeping insurance til your kids 26 and no pre-existing conditions. So how could they get everybody insured and keep costs down without some form of enforcement mechanism to force the young to sign up?

but this is like james bond asking the villain “what do you expect me to do?”

they expect you to die

254 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:46:20pm

re: #49 Vicious Babushka

You should be all right. You could also spend the night in Covington, which is right across the river from Cincinnati. Covington is another old river town with nice hotels and some cool shopping and restaurants. Then you’d on the Kentucky side of I75. I’ve driven that stretch (I71 in KY) few times, and you should be fine. Just avoid rush hour.

255 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:46:21pm

re: #251 freetoken

A particularly fact-avoiding article from WaPo writer Max Fischer:

Six reasons the U.S. and Saudi Arabia are moving apart

As if there was no FDR and Ibn Saud meeting in 1945.

Continuing:

Umm, just no.

First off, confusing all of US energy production with “oil”. Then, apparently not knowing that for many decades KSA has been a very minor source of petroleum that the US imported.

Will Bezos look for editors who will check their writers for factualness in his new pet toy?

You’re implying that the facts have to match the desired narrative. In the media no less!
//

256 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:48:21pm

re: #255 Feline Fearless Leader

And us moving from Saudi Arabia is a very good thing.

They are a “knife-in-the-back” sort of ‘ally’.

257 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:48:32pm

re: #250 Feline Fearless Leader

Just be careful when there in late November. Rumor has it that turkeys fall out the sky there sometimes!
;)

“As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!” - Arthur Carlson

258 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:49:02pm

re: #206 Targetpractice

Die quickly and reduce the surplus population.

You mean, “die quickly and make way for a glut of Quiverfull babies,” right?

259 freetoken  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:49:36pm

re: #252 Kragar

But the WaPo claims that the US and KSA is drifting apart, or is Max Fischer just giving us TAQIYYA!!

260 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:50:04pm

re: #61 Vicious Babushka

I think you’d be fine in Kentucky.

261 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:50:36pm

re: #189 darthstar

It’s not just the website issues with Ezra. During the Shutdown, he wanted to cave on the medical devices tax. Not sure how much of a cave that would have been, but given the lobbying effort to get that surcharge repealed, and given the oft-stated concerns of the ACA’s sustainability, funding wise, it seems like an odd thing to want to surrender, making the Act’s financing less secure and perhaps eliminating its role in reducing the deficit (as designed).

Then shortly after the shutdown he tweeted something about possibly needing to delay the individual mandate (presumably because of the roll-out issues). I haven’t seen a similar suggestion lately. But a lot of things combined have some of us wondering where exactly he’s coming from these days.

262 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:51:55pm

re: #253 dog philosopher

but this is like james bond asking the villain “what do you expect me to do?”

they expect you to die

“D’you expect them to pay get insurance, Blofeld Tea Party?”

“No, Mr. Bond. I expect them to die.”

263 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:52:13pm

re: #251 freetoken

Not if he’s just another rich journalism hobbyist.

264 freetoken  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:52:32pm

Not much love being given to the new Apple products. But here is a review of the iPad:

Hands On With the iPad Air

265 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:52:39pm

re: #69 Vicious Babushka

Wear UK Wildcat shirts. That will render you untouchable in KY! (LOL). But really, even Tiger flair would be fine. Would not recommend Steelers garb in Cincinnati/No KY area, however.

266 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:54:26pm

re: #257 GeneJockey

“As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!” - Arthur Carlson Les Nessman

FTFY.
Mr. Nessman was a crossword puzzle answer recently.

267 Kragar  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:54:32pm

re: #260 urbanmeemaw

I think you’d be fine in Kentucky.

Kentucky seems nice enough, but their jelly just tastes awful.

268 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:57:51pm

re: #267 Kragar

My granddaughter gave me a jar each of pear and peach jams from Scottsville, KY. From the “Jam House”, $4.50 ea.

I’ve been afraid to open them…

269 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:58:02pm

re: #261 Bulworth

And on top of this, Ezra works for the Washington Post, which has cornered the market on concern trolling. See Cohen, Richard; Lane, Charles; Samuelson, Paul; Broder, David (late); and many others. So we worry a bit that Ezra is being corrupted. Not sure if /.

270 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 1:58:25pm

re: #266 wrenchwench

FTFY.
Mr. Nessman was a crossword puzzle answer recently.

No, actually it was Mr. Carlson that said “as God is my witness I thought turkeys could fly.”

Les Nessman’s famous quote from that episode was doing the remote broadcast and watching the turkeys fall and saying, “oh, the humanity!”

Full Nessman/Johnny Fever:

Les Nessman: I’m here with hundreds of people who have gathered to witness what has been described as perhaps the greatest turkey event in Thanksgiving Day history. All we know for sure is that in a very few moments there are going to be a lot of happy people out here. Now the crowd is…

[passers-by gawk at Les]

Les Nessman: The… the crowd is uh… curious but well behaved. And I think I hear something now. Uh… The crowd is moving out into the parking area. And… oh yes! I can see it now. It’s a… it’s a… helicopter and it’s coming this way!

Andy Travis: A helicopter?

Les Nessman: It’s flying something behind it and I can’t quite make it out. It’s a large banner and it says H A P P Y… T H A N K S… giving… from W… K… R… P! What a sight, ladies and gentlemen. What a sight. The ‘copter seems to circling the parking area now. I guess it’s looking for a place to land. No! Something just came out of the back of a helicopter. It’s a dark object, perhaps a skydiver plummeting to the earth from only two thousand feet in the air… There’s a third… No parachutes yet… Those can’t be skydivers. I can’t tell just yet what they are but… Oh my God! They’re turkeys! Oh no! Johnny can you get this? Oh, they’re crashing to the earth right in front of our eyes! One just went through the windshield of a parked car! This is terrible! Everyone’s running around pushing each other. Oh my goodness! Oh, the humanity! People are running about. The turkeys are hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement! Folks, I don’t know how much longer… The crowd is running for their lives. I think I’m going to step inside. I can’t stand here and watch this anymore. No, I can’t go in there. Children are searching for their mothers and oh, not since the Hindenberg tragedy has there been anything like this. I don’t know how much longer I can hold my position here, Johnny. The crowd…

Dr. Johnny Fever: Les? Les? Les, are you there? Les isn’t there. Thanks for that on-the-spot report, Les. For those of you who’ve just tuned in, the Pinedale Shopping Mall has just been bombed with live turkeys. Film at eleven.

271 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:00:09pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh my.

I’ve been WKRP’d right off the map!

272 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:02:15pm

The WKRP turkey drop episode has got to be one of the greatest things ever on TV.

Here’s the episode condensed to 30 seconds:

Youtube Video

273 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:03:09pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nessman’s bit is a direct homage to the Herbert Morrison broadcast of the Hindenburg crashing and burning at Lakehurst in 1937.

274 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:03:21pm

re: #266 wrenchwench

FTFY.
Mr. Nessman was a crossword puzzle answer recently.

No, no - Les was the guy reporting on it - “The turkeys are hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement!”

275 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:03:50pm

re: #271 wrenchwench

Oh my.

I’ve been WKRP’d right off the map!

I lived in the Cincinnati area when that aired, and my father happened to work for WKRC in Cincinnati at the same time.
We were highly amused by it all.

276 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:04:49pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

Like I said during the shutdown, if Wolf were any denser, he’d collapse into a singularity.

Kinda like trying to collate all the rules for Brockian Ultra-Cricket into a single volume. You end up with a new gravity well that you did not anticipate…

277 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:05:09pm

re: #219 Slap

He’s such a Dipshit.

That quote actually mitigates the idea that Wilson “loved” it — the fact that he acknowledges the truth of the depicted horror, and was saddened by that truth.

Besides that — Birth of a Nation, technically speaking, was the pre-1920 equivalent of something along the lines of Avatar. Cinema wasn’t exactly advanced, and that film must have seemed like sorcery of sorts to audiences at the time. It had to have been almost overwhelming.

The late Roger Ebert, who can hardly be called “racist” by any sane human being, has it listed on his website in the ‘Great Movies’ category.

rogerebert.com

As slavery is the great sin of America, so “The Birth of a Nation” is Griffith’s sin, for which he tried to atone all the rest of his life. So instinctive were the prejudices he was raised with as a 19th century Southerner that the offenses in his film actually had to be explained to him. To his credit, his next film, “Intolerance,” was an attempt at apology. He also once edited a version of the film that cut out all of the Klan material, but that is not the answer. If we are to see this film, we must see it all, and deal with it all.

278 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:06:16pm

re: #250 Feline Fearless Leader

Just be careful when there in late November. Rumor has it that turkeys fall out the sky there sometimes!
;)

Oh, the humanity!!!

/as God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!

279 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:08:02pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #250 Feline Fearless Leader

I LOVE WKRP! One of the best shows EVAH!

280 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:09:45pm

re: #277 Dr Lizardo

The late Roger Ebert, who can hardly be called “racist” by any sane human being, has it listed on his website in the ‘Great Movies’ category.

rogerebert.com

In much the same way that “Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarves” (1943) is considered one of the classic cartoons - but it has never been officially released on video and is rarely (if ever) shown.

I think I caught it once on TCM while they were doing a “Racism in Hollywood” series.

en.wikipedia.org

281 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:09:47pm

re: #267 Kragar

LOL!

282 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:11:32pm

re: #279 urbanmeemaw

I LOVE WKRP! One of the best shows EVAH!

The first episode, with Johnny Fever playing the Mormon Tabernacle Choir singing ‘You’re Having My Baby’, till Travis comes in and hands him some Rock albums to play, and he rips the needle all the way across the album -

*VVVVVVVVVVVVVVIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPP!!!!*

283 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:12:22pm

re: #280 Feline Fearless Leader

In much the same way that “Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarves” (1943) is considered one of the classic cartoons - but it has never been officially released and is rarely (if ever) shown.

I think I caught it once on TCM while they were doing a “Racism in Hollywood” series.

en.wikipedia.org

There is an animated film by Ralph Bakshi, “Harlem Nights”, known better under a rather more unpleasant title, that is considered Bakshi’s masterpiece. I have it on DVD. It can be painful to watch, but that’s the idea and like the late Mr. Ebert, Mr. Bakshi cannot be considered as “racist” by anyone with two functioning brain cells.

284 ausador  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:13:05pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

They just need to add another server bing-bang-boom problem solved…

///

285 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:17:37pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank you for posting that. It helped me realize the scene was made funnier because we didn’t really see the turkeys hit the pavement; we had to rely on Les’ reporting and use our imagination. A beautifully written and performed piece. My dad was a radio man in Cincinnati in the late 60’s through the 70’s who wrote his own comedy material for his show, so I really appreciate how WKRP created “theater of the mind” in that episode. I wish there were more “old school radio” programming.

286 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:19:03pm

re: #283 Dr Lizardo

There is an animated film by Ralph Bakshi, “Harlem Nights”, known better under a rather more unpleasant title, that is considered Bakshi’s masterpiece. I have it on DVD. It can be painful to watch, but that’s the idea and like the late Mr. Ebert, Mr. Bakshi cannot be considered as “racist” by anyone with two functioning brain cells.

I’ve seen part of it. And it is probably more Bakshi taking on the racism by attacking it head-on. Somewhat like The Onion article discussed in comments earlier today. So, in that sense, one of the goals *is* to make you feel uncomfortable.

287 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:20:14pm

re: #280 Feline Fearless Leader

In much the same way that “Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarves” (1943) is considered one of the classic cartoons - but it has never been officially released and is rarely (if ever) shown.

I think I caught it once on TCM while they were doing a “Racism in Hollywood” series.

en.wikipedia.org

Sometimes, the whitewashing of history bothers me. I agree with Ebert that you have to see the thing, and understand it in its context. That’s real. It helps understand the America we used to be, and why the America we’re in is in many ways SO much better.

288 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:21:39pm

re: #286 Feline Fearless Leader

I’ve seen part of it. And it is probably more Bakshi taking on the racism by attacking it head-on. Somewhat like The Onion article discussed in comments earlier today. So, in that sense, one of the goals *is* to make you feel uncomfortable.

Damn straight. The first time I saw it, I was left speechless afterwards.

It’s an outstanding film…..the full-length film is on YouTube.

289 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:23:09pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

The WKRP turkey drop episode has got to be one of the greatest things ever on TV.

Here’s the episode condensed to 30 seconds:

[Embedded content]

The first time I saw that MTM logo with the kitteh (on the Mary Tyler Moore Show, of course) I laughed for about a half an hour.

290 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:23:29pm

re: #285 urbanmeemaw

Thank you for posting that. It helped me realize the scene was made funnier because we didn’t really see the turkeys hit the pavement; we had to rely on Les’ reporting and use our imagination. A beautifully written and performed piece. My dad was a radio man in Cincinnati in the late 60’s through the 70’s who wrote his own comedy material for his show, so I really appreciate how WKRP created “theater of the mind” in that episode. I wish there were more “old school radio” programming.

My father was in radio then too! (mostly WSAI, before he went to WKRC).

291 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:23:41pm

re: #287 GeneJockey

Sometimes, the whitewashing of history bothers me. I agree with Ebert that you have to see the thing, and understand it in its context. That’s real. It helps understand the America we used to be, and why the America we’re in is in many ways SO much better.

TCM shows it every so often and does take extra time to explain the issues and context of the film. It is a masterpiece of early cinema, but unfortunately on a very unpalatable subject.

292 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:25:25pm

re: #288 Dr Lizardo

Damn straight. The first time I saw it, I was left speechless afterwards.

It’s an outstanding film…..the full-length film is on YouTube.

It’s really good to hit films (or other media) that do that every so often. Like the first time you see the “Springtime for Hitler” number in _The Producers_.

293 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:26:06pm

re: #283 Dr Lizardo

There is an animated film by Ralph Bakshi, “Harlem Nights”, known better under a rather more unpleasant title, that is considered Bakshi’s masterpiece. I have it on DVD. It can be painful to watch, but that’s the idea and like the late Mr. Ebert, Mr. Bakshi cannot be considered as “racist” by anyone with two functioning brain cells.

I don’t know. He set up a workshop/studio here and wanted to teach ‘the local Chicanos’ how to animate. Seemed pretty paternalistic, but I never met the man.

294 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:26:09pm

re: #291 Feline Fearless Leader

TCM shows it every so often and does take extra time to explain the issues and context of the film. It is a masterpiece of early cinema, but unfortunately on a very unpalatable subject.

Well, art can’t all be dancing penguins and cute little waifs with enormous eyes, after all.
//

295 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 2:26:21pm

re: #292 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s really good to hit films (or other media) that do that every so often. Like the first time you see the “Springtime for Hitler” number in _The Producers_.

lol

Yeah, when I first saw that I was like “whuuuut?”

296 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 3:06:23pm

re: #273 Feline Fearless Leader

Nessman’s bit is a direct homage to the Herbert Morrison broadcast of the Hindenburg crashing and burning at Lakehurst in 1937.

And the whole bit was based on an incident in S. Indiana a few years earlier. Tall building, no helicopter.

297 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 22, 2013 6:03:48pm

Charles, thanks for the promotion.


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