1 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:00:37pm

Never feed your Tea Bag relatives after midnight.

2 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:01:45pm
3 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:06:17pm

re: #1 Kragar

Never feed your Tea Bag relatives after midnight.

So you think the fact that Ted Cruz was left all wet by the vote to end the shutdown means that he has multiplied?

4 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:08:51pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

So you think the fact that Ted Cruz was left all wet by the vote to end the shutdown means that he has multiplied?

I think the ray of sunshine that polling data shows about the current state of the GOP probably helped keep the numbers down.

5 erik_t  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:09:07pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

So you think the fact that Ted Cruz was left all wet by the vote to end the shutdown means that he has multiplied?

Ted Cruz has always been all wet.

6 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:20:20pm
7 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:20:40pm

Damn..Another Fox distortion…Why?
For weeks they have been saying the penalty for not having healthcare is 95 dollars..Big whoop.. Except the law reads 95 dollars or 1% of your taxable income for the year. Wait! Unless you live within the poverty level you will be paying thousands for not having insurance. I know this may be a foreign concept Fox..But be fair and balanced once..

8 darthstar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:21:42pm

Helpful flowchart for determining which religion is best for you.

Image: 1385345_717496704944611_697388501_n.jpg

9 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:23:12pm

re: #7 HoosierHoops

Damn..Another Fox distortion…Why?
For weeks they have been saying the penalty for not having healthcare is 95 dollars..Big whoop.. Except the law reads 95 dollars or 1% of your taxable income for the year. Wait! Unless you live within the poverty level you will be paying thousands for not having insurance. I know this may be a foreign concept Fox..But be fair and balanced once..

You do realize that it’s $95 or 1% of your income, whichever is LESS, right?

10 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:24:12pm

re: #8 darthstar

Helpful flowchart for determining which religion is best for you.

Image: 1385345_717496704944611_697388501_n.jpg

“Are you rich and insane?”

Lol.

11 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:25:57pm

re: #10 Varek Raith

“Are you rich and insane?”

Lol.

I know I’m not rich, but I’m probably not the best judge of my own sanity.

12 klys  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:27:18pm

Just talked to my mother. I want my dad to retire. My mother wants my dad to retire. The amount of money my dad could get by cashing out his pension is set to go down next year. I thought this made it more likely that he might retire.

Except they’re both “leery” of Obamacare and what it will mean for the market.

/sigh

I a) asked what difference does that make to the plan you buy and b) encouraged my mother to check out what happened when they implemented this in Massachusetts for an idea of what might happen nationally.

I think that’s about all I can do in a manner where they might actually listen to me but ugh. All this stupid rhetoric that the Republicans are throwing around has very real consequences on the personal decisions people can make.

Just frustrated.

13 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:27:52pm

The transition of the GOP into the angry and stoopid party started long before Rove. But he certainly pushed the idea.

14 Witches BaBOOshka  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:29:14pm

WTFITS

15 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:29:35pm

re: #9 GeneJockey

You do realize that it’s $95 or 1% of your income, whichever is LESS, right?

Really? How dumb..I make a 6 figure income that is taxable.. If I drop coverage I would only pay 95 bucks a year? I double that as a bar tab at the lodge on Friday nights..I could just pay a yearly visit my Doctor and save big bucks.Till I get sick..Then I’ll sign up for Obamacare.
Doesn’t make sense to me.

16 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:30:34pm

Here’s an example of how all of these “anger points” are still working out:

Iowa Republican Who Could Shake Up U.S. Senate Race Inches Closer To A Run

A handful of Republicans vying to be the next U.S. senator from the state of Iowa will gather on Wednesday night for their first official debate of the campaign. But one potential GOP hopeful who could change the dynamic of the race if he decides to run will be missing.

Iowa conservative leader Bob Vander Plaats, who is actively exploring a bid, has been sending more signals recently that he is getting serious.

Vander Plaats, who heads the Iowa-based group, the Family Leader, traveled to Washington, DC earlier this month during the three-day Values Voter Summit, an annual Christian conservative event, and took part in extensive meetings with national political operatives about his potential Senate bid.

[…]

I wonder if Rove would consider Vander Plaats one of his own, or if Vander Plaats belongs with the others.

17 Witches BaBOOshka  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:30:40pm

ME NEITHER

18 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:32:15pm

re: #14 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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Opposite day.
Er….
Not opposite…
Ahhh, fuck it.

19 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:32:21pm

re: #14 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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A student of the Dick Morris School of Political Observation.

20 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:32:27pm

re: #14 Vicious Babushka

That’s funny. Had these jokers been in charge of Napoleon’s attack on Russia, they would have about-faced on the retreat and gone back to Moscow in the dead of winter for round two.

21 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:33:14pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

A student of the Dick Morris School of Political Observation.

Five hundred million servers!
-Chuck Todd

22 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:34:12pm

Change of plans. I’m here for a few minutes more.

23 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:35:09pm

re: #7 HoosierHoops

Damn..Another Fox distortion…Why?
For weeks they have been saying the penalty for not having healthcare is 95 dollars..Big whoop.. Except the law reads 95 dollars or 1% of your taxable income for the year. Wait! Unless you live within the poverty level you will be paying thousands for not having insurance. I know this may be a foreign concept Fox..But be fair and balanced once..

re: #9 GeneJockey

You do realize that it’s $95 or 1% of your income, whichever is LESS, right?

And it’s $95 per adult the first year, $325 the second, and climbs steeply from there. All the while ya got no insurance.

24 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:35:28pm

re: #14 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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How did she ever land her job? That woman is just plain stupid, from the look of it.

25 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:35:54pm

re: #15 HoosierHoops

Really? How dumb..I make a 6 figure income that is taxable.. If I drop coverage I would only pay 95 bucks a year? I double that as a bar tab at the lodge on Friday nights..I could just pay a yearly visit my Doctor and save big bucks.Till I get sick..Then I’ll sign up for Obamacare.
Doesn’t make sense to me.

Apparently I misspoke. Or misstyped. I apologize.

It IS $95 or 1% of income whichever is greater, but not to exceed the average national cost of a Bronze plan.

26 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:37:23pm

re: #24 makeitstop

How did she ever land her job? That woman is just plain stupid, from the look of it.

Well, she does work for Ted Cruz, so that explains a lot.

27 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:38:07pm
28 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:38:09pm

re: #25 GeneJockey

Apparently I misspoke. Or misstyped. I apologize.

It IS $95 or 1% of income whichever is greater, but not to exceed the average national cost of a Bronze plan.

Adds up for a family—$95 per adult, 47 per child up to 285. And worse each year.

29 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:38:45pm

re: #16 freetoken

Here’s an example of how all of these “anger points” are still working out:

Iowa Republican Who Could Shake Up U.S. Senate Race Inches Closer To A Run

I wonder if Rove would consider Vander Plaats one of his own, or if Vander Plaats belongs with the others.

Has Vander Plaats lived this down yet?

Iowa Conservative Leader Mired in Controversy After Rick Santorum Endorsement

abcnews.go.com

“But one long-time Iowa conservative activist told ABC News, “There is no way he could buy enough ad space in Iowa for a million dollars — couldn’t buy that much advertising in a week and a half in Iowa.”

“ABC News has learned that Vander Plaats tried to solicit money for his endorsement during the last presidential cycle too. A former staffer for Mitt Romney’s 2008 presidential bid who is currently unaffiliated with a campaign said Vander Plaats came to them seeking money for his backing if he supported the former Massachusetts governor.

“He wanted to be paid,” the former staffer said. “He was clearly looking for a paycheck. There was a conversation about him getting a title, but being a paid consultant was much more important.”

30 Lidane  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:39:00pm

re: #14 Vicious Babushka

Delusional thinking. In other words, perfectly in line with the Cruz wing of the party.

31 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:39:59pm

re: #27 Kragar

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I’m scrambling. Scrambling to get shriven so I can get down on my knees and pray they try it again closer to the election.

32 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:43:55pm

re: #7 HoosierHoops

Damn..Another Fox distortion…Why?
For weeks they have been saying the penalty for not having healthcare is 95 dollars..Big whoop.. Except the law reads 95 dollars or 1% of your taxable income for the year. Wait! Unless you live within the poverty level you will be paying thousands for not having insurance. I know this may be a foreign concept Fox..But be fair and balanced once..

Median household income is $52,100. Then you deduct the filing threshold of $10,000 per individual, so that leaves $42,100. That makes the penalties:

2014: $421.00

2015: $842.00

2016: $1052.00

Pretty much any insurance will be more, but if you make significantly more than median income, yeah, it will be a lot more.

33 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:44:36pm

re: #28 Decatur Deb

Adds up for a family—$95 per adult, 47 per child up to 285. And worse each year.

Yeah. Go to the ER ONCE. Tell me how much you get charged.

34 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:47:42pm

God Damn it Pandora!

Nickelback? Are you fucking kidding me?

Blood will flow.

35 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:52:56pm

I got so bogged down in details that I think I missed the point HH was making.

Let me see if I have it right - Fox is telling people that if they don’t sign up, they only have to pay a maximum of $95 each, far below the cost of any plan. They are thus encouraging people NOT to sign up, when in fact the penalties will be substantially MORE if they have any significant income.

It may be that they’re hoping a lot of folks will fail to sign up, causing a groundswell of misdirected anger when they discover that they owe substantially more than $95, and might have been better served by just buying insurance.

I THINK that was HH’s point. Am I right?

36 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:54:38pm

re: #27 Kragar

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“They’ve got us right where we want them!”

37 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:55:54pm

re: #15 HoosierHoops

About waiting to get sick, then signing up—the extended open season of Oct 2013-Mar 2014 is onetime. After that, the annual season is 3 months or a bit less. The signup-effective process also takes two weeks or so to complete. That’s a long time to be passing a kidney stone w/o drugs.

38 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:56:46pm

re: #35 GeneJockey

I got so bogged down in details that I think I missed the point HH was making.

Let me see if I have it right - Fox is telling people that if they don’t sign up, they only have to pay a maximum of $95 each, far below the cost of any plan. They are thus encouraging people NOT to sign up, when in fact the penalties will be substantially MORE if they have any significant income.

It may be that they’re hoping a lot of folks will fail to sign up, causing a groundswell of misdirected anger when they discover that they owe substantially more than $95, and might have been better served by just buying insurance.

I THINK that was HH’s point. Am I right?

I don’ think Mister Fox is on our side.

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:00:41pm

re: #7 HoosierHoops

Damn..Another Fox distortion…Why?
For weeks they have been saying the penalty for not having healthcare is 95 dollars..Big whoop.. Except the law reads 95 dollars or 1% of your taxable income for the year. Wait! Unless you live within the poverty level you will be paying thousands for not having insurance. I know this may be a foreign concept Fox..But be fair and balanced once..

Always go to the official source for this kind of information (Hint: NOT Fox):

Questions and Answers on the Individual Shared Responsibility Provision

That link has a link to a PDF Final Rules.

§ 1.5000A-0 is the section about essential coverage and penalties (and probably more than you care to know).
Scroll down to § 1.5000A-4 Computation of shared responsibility payment. (Pages 17 and 18)

40 allegro  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:01:51pm

DD, question: After doing the online enrollment, will the chosen companies contact us? How does it proceed?

41 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:01:51pm

re: #36 GeneJockey

“They’ve got us right where we want them!”

“The Democrats will be forced to cover more and more of America while the GOP consolidates its power base in Deer Turd, Arkansas!”

42 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:02:49pm

re: #34 Kragar

God Damn it Pandora!

Nickelback? Are you fucking kidding me?

Blood will flow.

Often, Pandora decides that because I thumbs-upped *one* song by *one* artist in a particular genre, then I must surely want to listen to a 45-minute block of other, shittier songs in that genre exclusively, by artists I don’t and will never like.

43 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:03:35pm

re: #42 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Often, Pandora decides that because I thumbs-upped *one* song by *one* artist in a particular genre, then I must surely want to listen to a 45-minute block of other, shittier songs in that genre by artists I don’t and will never like.

I have noticed that as well.

44 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:03:38pm

re: #32 GeneJockey

The point of the Chief Justice, on why the ACA is indeed constitutional, is that the ACA is just another tax. An elaborate tax, but it is a tax. Thus people who don’t buy insurance will pay the tax to IRS.

This all sort of makes insurance companies tax collectors, which is very much a throw back to the days of when tax collecting was a business, but given this scheme of providing “health care” was hatched by the atavists we ought not be surprised at this.

45 erik_t  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:03:47pm

re: #42 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Often, Pandora decides that because I thumbs-upped *one* song by *one* artist in a particular genre, then I must surely want to listen to a 45-minute block of other, shittier songs in that genre by artists I don’t and will never like.

So it’s sort of like voting for your Republican friend for city councilman.

46 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:04:02pm

re: #41 Kragar

“The Democrats will be forced to cover more and more of America while the GOP consolidates its power base in Deer Turd, Arkansas!”

The concentration of Wingnut Power (TM) thereby created will bring about the Rapture. ///

47 jaunte  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:05:29pm

re: #14 Vicious Babushka

Speechwriter and senior communications advisor to Senator Cruz. Proud DeMint alum.

Delusional?

48 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:05:52pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

So you think the fact that Ted Cruz was left all wet by the vote to end the shutdown means that he has multiplied?

Yes.

49 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:07:01pm

re: #40 allegro

DD, question: After doing the online enrollment, will the chosen companies contact us? How does it proceed?

Online seems to be a 5-step process at optimum. Before the end, you are dealing directly with Blue Cross or whoever you have chosen. (Here we have only BC.)

The expectation for a working system is that the family process should take about an hour, depending on complexity. That’s even with Navigator help.

* Disclaimer—I haven’t done this yet, still waiting for my Navigator clearance from the crime check. I’m helping for the first time tomorrow-Sat, consider myself half-trained.

50 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:07:39pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Always go to the official source for this kind of information (Hint: NOT Fox):

Questions and Answers on the Individual Shared Responsibility Provision

That link has a link to a PDF Final Rules.

§ 1.5000A-0 is the section about essential coverage and penalties (and probably more than you care to know).
Scroll down to § 1.5000A-4 Computation of shared responsibility payment. (Pages 17 and 18)

The website has no leggy blondes.

51 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:09:35pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

The website has no leggy blondes.

Leggy Blonde?

Youtube Video

52 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:09:46pm

re: #15 HoosierHoops

Really? How dumb..I make a 6 figure income that is taxable.. If I drop coverage I would only pay 95 bucks a year? I double that as a bar tab at the lodge on Friday nights..I could just pay a yearly visit my Doctor and save big bucks.Till I get sick..Then I’ll sign up for Obamacare.
Doesn’t make sense to me.

Catch is that when the sign up window closes in March, you can’t sign up for the rest of the year. So if you get cancer in April, you are in deep doo doo.

53 darthstar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:10:59pm

This is fucking awesome:

Image: creative-baby-photography-queenie-liao-5.jpg

More images here:
boredpanda.org

54 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:11:03pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

The website has no leggy blondes.

leggy blondes got cut during the Sequester…

55 allegro  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:11:41pm

re: #49 Decatur Deb

Online seems to be a 5-step process at optimum. Before the end, you are dealing directly with Blue Cross or whoever you have chosen. (Here we have only BC.)

The expectation for a working system is that the family process should take about an hour, depending on complexity. That’s even with Navigator help.

* Disclaimer—I haven’t done this yet, still waiting for my Navigator clearance from the crime check. I’m helping for the first time tomorrow-Sat, consider myself half-trained.

I got all the way to selecting the policies I want but at the “confirm” stage it just stopped. I don’t know if there’s something else I need to do or if I will be contacted. Can’t get any info from Live Chat or the call center - both seem quite worthless frankly.

56 darthstar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:12:35pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

The website has no leggy blondes.

I had MSNBC on the TV when I was in Las Vegas with my parents last weekend. My dad sees the screen and says, “Fox News has prettier girls.” I said, “Yes, but then they open their mouths and nothing but bullshit pours out.”

57 Lidane  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:13:06pm

Is it bad when I enjoy the instrumental version of an album by an artist more than the one that’s got their voice and lyrics on it? I can’t tell.

58 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:14:02pm

Florida cop buys shoplifting mom $100 worth of food instead of jailing her

While Miami-Dade Officer Vicki Thomas did arrest Jessica Robles and charge her with a misdemeanor, Thomas also bought Robles $100 worth of food for her children instead of taking her to jail.

“I made the decision to buy her some groceries because arresting her wasn’t going to solve the problem with her children being hungry,” Thomas told WSVN.

According to Robles, she and her boyfriend ran out of money to provide for her three children following the loss of his job and federal food subsidies, which led her to walk into a local store and make off with the groceries.

“She asked, ‘Do you even have food at the house?’” Robles explained to WSVN. “And I looked at her in her face, and I told her, ‘Not at all.’”

Thomas told ABC News she chose to give Robles a notice to appear in court before going back into the store and purchasing the groceries, which gave her family enough food for about a week.

“When I walked out, she saw that I had the cart of groceries and she burst out in tears and asked if she could hug me, which is kind of unusual for the suspect to be hugging the officer,” Thomas told ABC. “I let her hug me.”

Robles has subsequently begun visiting a local food bank and searching for a job, while promising Thomas she would also help someone in her position once she gets her financial affairs in order.

59 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:16:19pm

re: #57 Lidane

Is it bad when I enjoy the instrumental version of an album by an artist more than the one that’s got their voice and lyrics on it? I can’t tell.

Not at all.

There are quite a few songs I enjoy one version of, but not another.

A note to the music industry. Very few songs (as in none) are improved by having a subliterate buffoon coming in and adding a nonsensical rap verse to an otherwise likeable song.

60 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:16:32pm

This is America 2013, Carl Rove’s America, which unfortunately is also our America:


Head to Head: The theory of evolution is not infallible

[…]

But no theory that claims to explain life’s origin can be proven accurate since no human was there to record the events.

[…]

Take the age of the earth, for example. Observational science has proven that sedimentary rock layers can be deposited slowly by rivers. This may support the idea of an extremely old earth.

The same form of science has also proven that rock layers can be formed quickly in natural catastrophes, such as floods or volcanic eruptions. This would support the idea that the earth is young. [um, no, but this is a popular claim among YECs.]

[…]

And:

Evolution is a matter of faith, too

[…]

In fact, it is easier to believe that an outside force produced life than to believe that everything we see in the world today is the consequence of the random action of material elements.

True scientific inquiry does not set about to prove a theory correct by discarding the evidence that does not support the theory. However, observable data (the fossil record, embryology, thermodynamics, genetics, etc.) abounds that contradicts the “theory” of evolution.

[…]

61 ausador  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:16:36pm

That Mogwai line was absolutely brilliant, because it is just so perfectly fitting to the situation.

For more than three decades the Republicans courted the crazies, the racists, and the religious right. All they had to do was to glowingly talk about Jesus and American “freedoms” every now and then, and occasionally introduce a bill that had no chance of passing like abortion bans, deportation bills, balanced budget amendments, etc.

The problem is that after more than a generation of widespread pandering many of the party faithful had grown up taking these empty promises seriously. They simply were not in on the joke that it was all just for show, they had been raised hearing these empty words mouthed as being a central point of the Republican platform. In other words, too many of the new generation of the party’s faithful actually believed their own bullshit.

The Republicans didn’t just grasp the tiger by its tail, they raised it from an orphaned cub with bottle feedings, groomed and cared for it. At least until the day they recently realized it was now simply too big to live in the same room with them any longer.

No sympathy here, they raised it, now they need to find a way to deal with it before it eats them alive.

62 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:16:46pm

re: #15 HoosierHoops

Really? How dumb..I make a 6 figure income that is taxable.. If I drop coverage I would only pay 95 bucks a year? I double that as a bar tab at the lodge on Friday nights..I could just pay a yearly visit my Doctor and save big bucks.Till I get sick..Then I’ll sign up for Obamacare.
Doesn’t make sense to me.

Don’t chance it, Hoops—many of us here aren’t exactly spring chickens, so the likelihood that we’ll need insurance sooner rather than later is probably pretty high. My episode earlier this year ended up being billed at just shy of $400K. Thankfully, my insurance covered $399K of that.

re: #52 aagcobb

Catch is that when the sign up window closes in March, you can’t sign up for the rest of the year. So if you get cancer in April, you are in deep doo doo.

THIS.

64 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:18:55pm

In fact, it is easier to believe that an outside force produced life

…as long as it is easy for you to believe in a magical being who has existed since before time began

65 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:19:45pm

re: #55 allegro

I got all the way to selecting the policies I want but at the “confirm” stage it just stopped. I don’t know if there’s something else I need to do or if I will be contacted. Can’t get any info from Live Chat or the call center - both seem quite worthless frankly.

Probably the freakn’ machines again. Try to find the agency in your state that is running the volunteer Navigator/outreach effort—they should be closest to a specific answer. i can dig through the Alabama SOP, but it only tellls how things should work.

We’re taking outreach to hairdresser shops and little churches in the boonies—most won’t even have connectivity, and for now that might be a blessing.

If it was easy, Teapartiers could do it.

66 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:20:40pm
67 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:20:59pm

re: #60 freetoken

This is America 2013, Carl Rove’s America, which unfortunately is also our America:

Head to Head: The theory of evolution is not infallible

And:

Evolution is a matter of faith, too

Here. Read about some barnacles to cheer yourself up.

Barnacles are perfectly capable of pooping out plastic - I observed plastic packaged up in fecal pellets, ready to be excreted the next time the barnacle had access to a couple minutes and a magazine - so it is very likely that more barnacles are eating plastic than we were able to measure.

68 jaunte  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:22:25pm
69 allegro  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:24:07pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

Probably the freakn’ machines again. Try to find the agency in your state that is running the volunteer Navigator/outreach effort—they should be closest to a specific answer. i can dig through the Alabama SOP, but it only tellls how things should work.

We’re taking outreach to hairdresser shops and little churches in the boonies—most won’t even have connectivity, and for now that might be a blessing.

If it was easy, Teapartiers could do it.

I will do that. Thanks mucho!

70 thedopefishlives  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:24:48pm

Evening Lizardim from the cold and snowy wild north country. That’s right, snow - that flaky white stuff that some of us adore and some people hate with a passion superseding anything else. The Mrs. Fish has taken the elder fishspawn and left me home alone with a sleeping junior fishspawn. I don’t quite know what to do with myself; it’s been forever since I’ve been effectively alone. And so I find myself here. How go things among the lizardfolk?

71 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:27:16pm

re: #70 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the cold and snowy wild north country. That’s right, snow - that flaky white stuff that some of us adore and some people hate with a passion superseding anything else. The Mrs. Fish has taken the elder fishspawn and left me home alone with a sleeping junior fishspawn. I don’t quite know what to do with myself; it’s been forever since I’ve been effectively alone. And so I find myself here. How go things among the lizardfolk?

Fine. The World Series starts in an hour, if you like watching baseball.

72 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:27:24pm

re: #70 thedopefishlives

Best weather here since April, but time to check the anti-freeze. We got below freezing last year. Three times.

73 thedopefishlives  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:28:53pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

Best weather here since April, but time to check the anti-freeze. We got below freezing last year. Three times.

Yeah, after replacing the heater core in the Mrs. Fish’s Mafiamobile, I wound up having to replace over a gallon of coolant. Perfect time to check its specific gravity.

74 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:28:53pm

re: #71 aagcobb

Fine. The World Series starts in an hour, if you like watching baseball.

I like watching baseball when the Pirates haven’t tanked. I like watching really big comets. When they don’t tank.

75 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:34:28pm

re: #74 Decatur Deb

I like watching baseball when the Pirates haven’t tanked. I like watching really big comets. When they don’t tank.

You actually got to enjoy baseball into the playoffs then!

76 Lidane  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:35:38pm
77 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:35:52pm

re: #75 aagcobb

You actually got to enjoy baseball into the playoffs then!

Pirates are always fukn’ witcha.

78 thedopefishlives  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:38:14pm

re: #74 Decatur Deb

I like watching baseball when the Pirates haven’t tanked. I like watching really big comets. When they don’t tank.

The Mrs. Fish converted me into a Twins fan. Sadly, that occurred just before they tanked. However, unlike the Cubs, at least we have hope of getting better.

79 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:39:36pm

re: #41 Kragar

“The Democrats will be forced to cover more and more of America while the GOP consolidates its power base in Deer Turd, Arkansas!”

I can’t find it anywhere, but I seem to recall that after Richmond fell, Jefferson Davis said something about how the Army of Northern Virginia, ‘freed from the necessity of defending the capital’ would be able to evolve into a guerilla force, striking at will, etc.

80 piratedan  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:39:56pm

re: #76 Lidane

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despite all our best efforts to throw them off the scent, we’ve been outed! Holy Allah Akbar indeed!

81 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:41:40pm

re: #71 aagcobb

Fine. The World Series starts in an hour, if you like watching baseball.

An evening of working on my book and playing Skyrim, you say?

82 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:41:54pm

re: #79 GeneJockey

I can’t find it anywhere, but I seem to recall that after Richmond fell, Jefferson Davis said something about how the Army of Northern Virginia, ‘freed from the necessity of defending the capital’ would be able to evolve into a guerilla force, striking at will, etc.

“Without all those panzers, we’ll be able to get back from Kursk more quickly.”

83 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:42:59pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

“Without all those panzers, we’ll be able to get back from Kursk more quickly.”

The quartermaster’s jobs are getting easier every day —- Napoleon.

84 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:43:06pm

re: #52 aagcobb

Catch is that when the sign up window closes in March, you can’t sign up for the rest of the year. So if you get cancer in April, you are in deep doo doo.

I’m not sure that’s true. If you think about it, you might lose your employer-provided insurance during they year.

One thing I read said the penalty is prorated by the number of months without coverage, so I think it’s just that you have to sign up by March to avoid paying any penalties.

85 jaunte  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:44:00pm

southernstudies.org

86 Witches BaBOOshka  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:44:54pm

Wingnuts seem to think this is some kind of victory for them. I don’t know why.

87 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:45:29pm
88 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:46:56pm

re: #83 EPR-radar

The quartermaster’s jobs are getting easier every day —- Napoleon.

“God has deemed that our Great Armada should invade Ireland.”
—Philip II

89 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:47:54pm

re: #52 aagcobb

Catch is that when the sign up window closes in March, you can’t sign up for the rest of the year. So if you get cancer in April, you are in deep doo doo.

That is a HUGE misconception.

You can indeed continue to sign up after March.
The March “deadline” is to avoid the penalty. Nothing stops anyone from signing up after the March “deadline”.

90 thedopefishlives  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:47:59pm

re: #87 Kragar

To be fair, he’s technically correct. The greater GOP basically surrendered to the Tea Party’s political terrorism, which enabled them to succeed in forcing the shutdown.

91 piratedan  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:48:02pm

re: #87 Kragar

dave just up from his coma?

92 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:48:28pm

re: #84 GeneJockey

I’m not sure that’s true. If you think about it, you might lose your employer-provided insurance during they year.

One thing I read said the penalty is prorated by the number of months without coverage, so I think it’s just that you have to sign up by March to avoid paying any penalties.

Losing your insurance would be a qualifying event which would allow you to purchase new insurance. But I’m pretty sure that you can’t just ignore the deadline and sign up whenever you choose, because that makes it too easy to go naked.

93 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:49:11pm

re: #91 piratedan

dave just up from his coma?

I was going to congratulate him on his recovery and suggest he catch up on current events.

94 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:49:46pm

The Party of God, in action:

PA House Bill Would Require Schools to Display ‘In God We Trust’

A bill that would require all public school buildings in Pennsylvania to display the national motto, “In God we trust,” passed in the House Education committee Wednesday morning.

Republican Rick Saccone, who represents parts of Allegheny and Washington counties, is the bill’s sponsor. He said the bill is meant to celebrate the 150th anniversary of the U.S. mint printing the motto on our nation’s currency.

[…]

95 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:49:54pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is a HUGE misconception.

You can indeed continue to sign up after March.
The March “deadline” is to avoid the penalty. Nothing stops anyone from signing up after the March “deadline”.

Check that—IIRC after the open season you need exceptional life changes—marriage, birth, etc to get in that year.

96 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:50:38pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is a HUGE misconception.

You can indeed continue to sign up after March.
The March “deadline” is to avoid the penalty. Nothing stops anyone from signing up after the March “deadline”.

If that’s correct, its a mistake in my opinion. They should require you to sign up by the deadline unless you have a qualifying event afterward.

97 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:51:10pm

re: #95 Decatur Deb

I’m also checking—it might be to change plans, not start them.

98 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:52:56pm

Shit just got real.

Hatch: Lee Has Time To ‘Show He’s Worthy Of Being Re-Elected’

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) on Tuesday would not endorse Utah’s junior senator and tea party member Mike Lee for re-election, maintaining that Lee needs to prove himself first.

“I think Sen. Lee has plenty of time to reach out to fellow Utahns and to show he’s worthy of being re-elected,” Hatch told the Deseret News. “The best thing to do is do the job, really work hard, (and) stay away from extremes unless you’re absolutely sure you’re right.”

He criticized Lee’s approach to rollback Obamacare by forcing a government shutdown.

“The tactics were not the right tactics. It takes experience sometimes to make sure you can use the right tactics,” Hatch said of Lee’s attempts to attach language defunding Obamacare to a continuing resolution funding the government.

Hatch added that Lee and other Tea Party Republicans need to be “rehabilitated” after the government shutdown.

99 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:53:19pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

Don’t chance it, Hoops—many of us here aren’t exactly spring chickens, so the likelihood that we’ll need insurance sooner rather than later is probably pretty high. My episode earlier this year ended up being billed at just shy of $400K. Thankfully, my insurance covered $399K of that.

>THIS.

No truer words have been spoken.. I hear ya Sister..When Nikk was born the complecations of that birth was so bad that mom spent 5 months in Merritt Hospital, Oakland Ca. The bill was close to a million..11 Doctors billed me..Are you freaking kidding me? Blue Cross paid 80%. 80% of a million dollars? I was making 10 bucks an hours back then. The bills were crushing to our little family and it took years for us to pay off..Painful to even recall..The American dream? mmmm..

100 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:54:27pm

re: #98 Kragar

Shit just got real.

Hatch: Lee Has Time To ‘Show He’s Worthy Of Being Re-Elected’

When is Lee up?

101 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:55:15pm

A really cool bit of SQL code I just found at Stack Overflow.

SELECT (t1.id + 1) as gap_starts_at, 
       (SELECT MIN(t3.id) -1 FROM arrc_vouchers t3 WHERE t3.id > t1.id) as gap_ends_at
FROM arrc_vouchers t1
WHERE NOT EXISTS (SELECT t2.id FROM arrc_vouchers t2 WHERE t2.id = t1.id + 1)
HAVING gap_ends_at IS NOT NULL

This identifies all the gaps (created by deletion of rows) in an auto-numbered sequence of IDs. Fun with databases.

102 Witches BaBOOshka  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:55:22pm

Huffington Post is getting the word out that you’re an insane fuckstick, Bryan.

103 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:55:56pm

re: #100 Decatur Deb

When is Lee up?

16, came in with the Tea Baggers in ‘10.

104 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:56:06pm

re: #98 Kragar

Shit just got real.

Hatch: Lee Has Time To ‘Show He’s Worthy Of Being Re-Elected’

Nice. I’m still waiting for the Wall Street boys to bring out the nail bat in public against the tea partiers.

105 thedopefishlives  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:56:11pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Stack Overflow is one of the greatest things ever to happen to the Internet. I find so much useful code in there.

106 ausador  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:56:11pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

Best weather here since April, but time to check the anti-freeze. We got below freezing last year. Three times.

Tonight is the very first time I have been able to turn off the air conditioning and open the windows since the end of April (Florida had an unusually long and cool spring at the beginning of this year).

Kinda nice to be able to breath fresh air indoors again.

107 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:00:00pm

re: #97 Decatur Deb

I’m also checking—it might be to change plans, not start them.

Ripped from NPR:

“This is one way that the Affordable Care Act is a lot like the insurance plans most people have at work. Every year there’s an open season, and for the most part you can only buy or change plans during that open season. So if next May you haven’t bought insurance and you get sick or you just decide you should have gotten insurance and you didn’t — then too bad. You’ll have to wait until the next open season to sign up.
But there is an exception — and that’s if you have one of several . Moving to another state, getting married or divorced, losing your job-based insurance or having your COBRA coverage end are all things that would allow you to buy insurance on the exchange outside the regular open season. Those events would be handled just as they are in an employment-based health plan.

npr.org

108 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:00:56pm

This, too, is America 2013:

Gov. hopeful touts conservative views

Former U.S. Rep. Mike Ross wants the people of the Twin Lakes Area to know he’s a pro-gun, pro-God, conservative Democrat.

He also wants them to know he voted against Obamacare as a congressman, but would have signed Arkansas’ “Private Option” version of the Affordable Care Act into law had he been governor in April.

Ross, who seeks the Arkansas Democratic Party’s nomination for governor, was in Mountain Home on Tuesday to attend a fund-raising event at the home of Joe and Kathryn Miles.

“I voted against Obamacare as a congressman. I voted to repeal Obamacare,” Ross said, during an exclusive interview with The Baxter Bulletin. “I agree with Gov. Beebe and the Republican legislature that approved the Private Option, which is a Medicaid expansion for a quarter million people in Arkansas.

[…]

Apparently to run for office in Arkansas one has to be “pro-gun, pro-God”, whatever those mean. I suspect they mean the same thing, and that “God” and “gun” are fully interchangeable.

109 ausador  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:01:15pm

re: #85 jaunte

Florida has already disenfranchised 10.8% of “white” voters and 24.8% of African American voters via the states re-instated ban on “felons” voting courtesy of wingnut Governor Rick Scott.

No outrage about that either is there?

110 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:01:54pm

re: #108 freetoken

This, too, is America 2013:

Gov. hopeful touts conservative views

Apparently to run for office in Arkansas one has to be “pro-gun, pro-God”, whatever those mean. I suspect they mean the same thing, and that “God” and “gun” are fully interchangeable.

So folks in Arkansas basically worship Zardoz?

Interesting to know.

111 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:03:03pm

Dogwalk. BBL

112 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:06:26pm

re: #108 freetoken

This, too, is America 2013:

Gov. hopeful touts conservative views

Apparently to run for office in Arkansas one has to be “pro-gun, pro-God”, whatever those mean. I suspect they mean the same thing, and that “God” and “gun” are fully interchangeable.

It’s a trinity - God, Guns, and the Free Market. They’re separate, but all one.

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:07:53pm

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Check that—IIRC after the open season you need exceptional life changes—marriage, birth, etc to get in that year.

You are correct. In Kentucky you have to wait until October 2014, unless there is an exception (loss of current insurance/job is one of those).

114 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:09:19pm

re: #112 GeneJockey

It’s a trinity - God, Guns, and the Free Market. They’re separate, but all one.

Interesting. So is it

Guns = Son and Free Market = Holy Ghost

or

Guns = Holy Ghost and Free Market = Son?

115 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:10:23pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

Zardoz is a mystery, held in theological tension.

116 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:11:57pm

Surprising development; 11 years after his conviction, Michael Skakel is going to get a new trial.

117 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:12:42pm

My dad went in the hospital a week ago. He was supposed to be out that afternoon, after some minor back surgery. The surgeon were going to remove some bone spurs to relieve pain that for the past two years has kept my dad from his daily walks. But when he got in there, the doc saw that he could use the bones spurs he took off to rebuild a vertebra, and perhaps relieve more pain. So they decided to keep Dad in the hospital for some recovery time from the additional surgery.

That meant withdrawal from alcohol would set in, which everyone involved should have known, because we went through this 5 years ago when he had some major surgery. So then comes the DTs, restraints, stomach tubes, IVs, etc.

Meanwhile, my sister and the doctor she married, who jointly talked everyone into the minor back surgery, are calling the doctors and nurses and my stepmother from 3,000 miles away, trying to find out and have some influence over what’s going on. My stepmother cut them off (she has medical power of atty., in addition to 27 years of marriage) and all the siblings started freaking out. OK, not all. One brother hasn’t said a word through the whole thing.

I’m the only one of my 6 siblings and their 5 spouses that my stepmother will talk to. She has good reasons, and I share some of them, so some of the siblings think I am conspiring with her against them, in contradiction to my father’s best interests.

One spouse asked to be removed from the sibling email list after being attacked by my evil sister. The evil sister won’t talk to me (she did send three nasty emails though) but the other two sisters will talk to me FOR her.

Once they settled in to the realization that they could only get info through me, things calmed down. No more phone calls, far fewer emails. And now that Dad is getting better (he’s still going to be in the hospital at least another week) I think I can go back to being shunned.

118 klys  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:14:22pm

re: #117 wrenchwench

{{ww}}

119 darthstar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:14:45pm

re: #76 Lidane

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That’s some pure, unfiltered crazy right there.

120 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:15:28pm

re: #117 wrenchwench

{{WW}}

121 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:15:35pm

re: #118 klys

{{ww}}

Thanks.

Going to the Sister Swap Meet, perchance?

122 ausador  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:15:41pm

re: #112 GeneJockey

It’s a trinity - God, Guns, and the Free Market. They’re separate, but all one.

Without Guns there could be no Free market, only socialism controlled by the government. Without the Free Market there could be no Guns because the evil forces of liberalism would be able to ban their sale and manufacturing. Without God we would not have a legitimate cause to use the Free Market to reserve all the riches of the country for the faithful, nor would our Guns serve the purpose of defending the faithful as God intended!

So yes, it is all connected and interdependent, the three are actually one!

123 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:16:18pm

re: #119 darthstar

That’s some pure, unfiltered crazy right there.

Nice to watch wingnuts eating each other, though.

124 klys  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:16:55pm

re: #121 wrenchwench

Thanks.

Going to the Sister Swap Meet, perchance?

Hah, after reading that I’m not sure you could get me drunk enough to say yes.

I might occasionally want to strangle the baby for needing to grow up a little more, but that’s still a whole different level than that.

125 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:17:13pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

The website has no leggy blondes.

Grey is the new “blond” FYI…

126 thedopefishlives  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:17:56pm

re: #117 wrenchwench

Ugh, that’s no good. {WW}

127 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:18:52pm

re: #124 klys

Hah, after reading that I’m not sure you could get me drunk enough to say yes.

I might occasionally want to strangle the baby for needing to grow up a little more, but that’s still a whole different level than that.

All but one of the sibs married someone nicer than themselves, so there’s that. Low target, though.

128 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:18:53pm

re: #122 ausador

Without Guns there could be no Free market, only socialism controlled by the government. Without the Free Market there could be no Guns because the evil forces of liberalism would be able to ban their sale and manufacturing. Without God we would not have a legitimate cause to use the Free Market to reserve all the riches of the country for the faithful, nor would our Guns serve the purpose of defending the faithful as God intended!

So yes, it is all connected and interdependent, the three are actually one!

There can be ONLY ONE!

129 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:19:06pm

re: #119 darthstar

That’s some pure, unfiltered crazy right there.

Speaking of pure unfiltered crazy, the comments at NRO on the “Art of the Impossible” article (subject of previous thread) have some very entertaining moments.

A sample:

no

you’re probably too young to remember the Reagan years and why there were two Conservative Landslides in Presidential elections (both sides of ruling Class want to obscure this information also, for obvious reasons)

Only The Real Conservative Deal (Reagan) can defeat the Left in America because only such a Leader could UNIFY all Conservative factions … this is the lesson of the 1980s and the Bushies/Howard Dean/Lefties/GOPe AKA The Ruling Class know it very well

the full power of the dominant Conservative Electorate has lain dormant since RWR left the scene …they only activate if The Real Deal appears

they DID activate after Sarah Palin addressed the RNC on sep 3rd 2008 - McCain went from -3 to +3 overnight - NOT because people switched from OBama to McCain, but because a flood of new Conservative voters came off the ‘not registered’ and ‘not likely voters’ benches

it took the puppeteers to collapse the Economy and McCain to suspend his Campaign and return to DC, backing the Bailouts (on the advice of the Ruling Class Tool Steve BULLSCHMIDT) for those new voters to abandon the ticket

Palin and Cruz will activate the maximum power of the Conservative Electorate again

Under the leadership of Palin, Cruz and Demint, the GOP Conservative policy platform will be restored

all the conservative Americans who remain disconnected from the political scene due to disgust, will be motivated to

1. REGISTER and

2. STORM the POLLS

with the Real Deal as Nominee we can expect landslide results as in the 1980s under Reagan, due to Conservatives MAXing at the Polls

#BeClingers ————————————-> #AmericaRISING

#WAR —————————————> #CrushROVE (in the 2014 primary cycle, Patriots!)

The more rational members of the commentariat are pushing back, and it is all most amusing.

130 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:19:37pm

theonion.com
In which the Onion nails my childhood but replace train stuff with baseball stats.

131 klys  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:20:14pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

All but one of the sibs married someone nicer than themselves, so there’s that. Low target, though.

{{{{{WW}}}}}

I’m glad you have Mr. W, at least. And it sounds like your stepmother has some reasonable sense.

I am generally lucky with my siblings, and while my parents may occasionally frustrate, I love them dearly too.

132 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:20:29pm

re: #70 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the cold and snowy wild north country. That’s right, snow - that flaky white stuff that some of us adore and some people hate with a passion superseding anything else. The Mrs. Fish has taken the elder fishspawn and left me home alone with a sleeping junior fishspawn. I don’t quite know what to do with myself; it’s been forever since I’ve been effectively alone. And so I find myself here. How go things among the lizardfolk?

White stuff? Dude, I’m on the porch in a bikini!

133 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:22:36pm

re: #131 klys

{{{{{WW}}}}}

I’m glad you have Mr. W, at least. And it sounds like your stepmother has some reasonable sense.

I am generally lucky with my siblings, and while my parents may occasionally frustrate, I love them dearly too.

Truth is, my stepmother is a bit whacked herself. If I weren’t related, I would not know anyone remotely like her.

My dad is the closest to normal in the family, I think.

Mr.w is not normal, but I like him that way.

134 thedopefishlives  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:23:04pm

re: #131 klys

My sister is amazing. My wife’s sisters, on the other hand.

135 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:23:07pm

re: #108 freetoken

This, too, is America 2013:

Gov. hopeful touts conservative views

Apparently to run for office in Arkansas one has to be “pro-gun, pro-God”, whatever those mean. I suspect they mean the same thing, and that “God” and “gun” are fully interchangeable.

I actually find it pretty patronizing. I don’t know if I believe in God or not but I don’t like how “Pro God” has to mean socially conservative. To me when I believed, I saw believing in God as helping the least fortunate among us, not being judgmental of someone for being different and that could be from being of a different religion or having no religion at all to being of a different sexual orientation. The saddest thing is these conservative Democrats are representing views that will hurt their constituents. It’s a lot tougher being openly gay or a religious minority in Arkansas than some of the more bright blue districts and states. Not to mention economics.

136 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:23:10pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

Palin and Cruz will activate the maximum power of the Conservative Electorate again

Yes they will…but not in the way the poster thinks it will…

137 Joanne  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:24:04pm

re: #23 Decatur Deb

And it’s $95 per adult the first year, $325 the second, and climbs steeply from there. All the while ya got no insurance.

After having no insurance for 18 months (preexisting conditions after losing my job), I don’t recommend it. At all. Ever.

138 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:24:11pm

re: #117 wrenchwench

Just love for you.
And F that bitch.
(I said it for you)

139 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:24:26pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes they will…but not in the way the poster thinks it will…

If they really think that Palin and Cruz are going to get people out to vote for them, they’re really not paying attention. Yeah I am sure conservative turn-out would be higher than ever if they turned out but I’d tell you this much, I’d happily campaign for their opponent and I’ve pretty much vowed to never work on a political campaign again and I think they ignore how much Sarah turned off most of “real America”.

140 klys  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:25:41pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Truth is, my stepmother is a bit whacked herself. If I weren’t related, I would not know anyone remotely like her.

My dad is the closest to normal in the family, I think.

Mr.w is not normal, but I like him that way.

I have a lot of extended family like this.

I think normal is boring, but there’s ways to be off from normal in a good way or in a bad way.

(I will add, I appreciate my parents more now that I don’t live at home. Same with my siblings, although part of that was waiting for them to grow up. Or still waiting. I was one of those kids who was 14 going on 40 on top of the age differences between us.)

141 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:26:40pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

If they really think that Palin and Cruz are going to get people out to vote for them, they’re really not paying attention. Yeah I am sure conservative turn-out would be higher than ever if they turned out but I’d tell you this much, I’d happily campaign for their opponent and I’ve pretty much vowed to never work on a political campaign again.

And Palin “activated” the electorate after the RNC speech.

Actually, “horrified” is probably a better word…

142 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:31:19pm

Is Obamacare irrelevant to people already on Medicare? Or does it give them more options?

143 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:33:29pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Palin “activated” the electorate after the RNC speech.

Actually, “horrified” is probably a better word…

I remember when McCain picked her. I thought it was neat. Governor of Alaska and young but then we got to know her. And it can’t be said how nasty a person she is. She acted like Barack Obama had somehow personally wronged her from the minute McCain made he running mate and it didn’t help that she was the most ignorant person I’ve ever seen on a presidential ticket.

144 Joanne  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:36:11pm

re: #76 Lidane

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I’m good with marginalizing Grover by any means. Especially with “conservatives”.

145 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:37:21pm

re: #142 wrenchwench

Is Obamacare irrelevant to people already on Medicare? Or does it give them more options?

I think its pretty much irrelevant.

146 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:38:58pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

I remember when McCain picked her. I thought it was neat. Governor of Alaska and young but then we got to know her. And it can’t be said how nasty a person she is. She acted like Barack Obama had somehow personally wronged her from the minute McCain made he running mate and it didn’t help that she was the most ignorant person I’ve ever seen on a presidential ticket.

Palin is stupid and malicious, and is quite pleased with herself for these traits. McCain’s pick of Palin as his running mate is unforgivable.

147 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:41:43pm

re: #146 EPR-radar

Palin is stupid and malicious, and is quite pleased with herself for these traits. McCain’s pick of Palin as his running mate is unforgivable.

I agree 110%. I am just saying at the time. I had no idea who she was and i thought it was a neat pick. I was voting Obama al lthe way.

148 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:43:47pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

I agree 110%. I am just saying at the time. I had no idea who she was and i thought it was a neat pick. I was voting Obama al lthe way.

I didn’t mean to pounce on you. Nobody would know how awful Palin was without investigating the issue or otherwise being aware of her.

The McCain campaign did that and still went ahead with the pick…

149 ausador  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:46:45pm

re: #146 EPR-radar

Palin is stupid and malicious, and is quite pleased with herself for these traits. McCain’s pick of Palin as his running mate is unforgivable.

Malignance can easily be mistaken for cunning, at least at first blush.

150 thedopefishlives  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:47:47pm

World Series broadcast had a moving tribute to the Boston bombings during the pre-game. Sadly, it just reminded me of a disgusting person I know on another website who claimed the FBI set up the bombing to get a dry run at shutting down an American city and taking away our civil liberties. I try so hard not to let this guy ruin such moving tributes for me, but it’s hard.

151 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:50:35pm

re: #148 EPR-radar

I didn’t mean to pounce on you. Nobody would know how awful Palin was without investigating the issue or otherwise being aware of her.

The McCain campaign did that and still went ahead with the pick…

During her initial “roll out” in Dayton, Ohio, they managed to keep her mouth shut enough that she had that “shiny thing” quality.

Then came the RNC and she spoke…
I’m now remembering that night and “horrified” doesn’t even come close to my reaction.

152 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:51:15pm

i have been writing “please have XXXX return an informative error code if YYYY” over and over

i am rather polite today

153 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:51:24pm

re: #148 EPR-radar

I didn’t mean to pounce on you. Nobody would know how awful Palin was without investigating the issue or otherwise being aware of her.

The McCain campaign did that and still went ahead with the pick…

Nah, it’s cool. Just wanted to clarify myself. And yeah what the McCain campaign did was unforgivable with her. Idiots.

154 BongCrodny  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:51:47pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Yes they will…but not in the way the poster thinks it will…

If they really think that Palin and Cruz are going to get people out to vote for them, they’re really not paying attention. Yeah I am sure conservative turn-out would be higher than ever if they turned out but I’d tell you this much, I’d happily campaign for their opponent and I’ve pretty much vowed to never work on a political campaign again and I think they ignore how much Sarah turned off most of “real America”.

I just read a poll that showed Sarah Palin 18 points behind Mark Begich in a hypothetical Senate matchup.

In Alaska.

Her national appeal is non-existent.

155 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:53:12pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

During her initial “roll out” in Dayton, Ohio, they managed to keep her mouth shut enough that she had that “shiny thing” quality.

Then came the RNC and she spoke…
I’m now remembering that night and “horrified” doesn’t even come close to my reaction.

We really do have political factions that are literally incomprehensible to each other. For Palin-faction wingnuts, Palin’s RNC speech is the Bible and Constitution all wrapped up in one shiny package, you betcha.

156 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:54:32pm

re: #108 freetoken

This, too, is America 2013:

Gov. hopeful touts conservative views

Apparently to run for office in Arkansas one has to be “pro-gun, pro-God”, whatever those mean. I suspect they mean the same thing, and that “God” and “gun” are fully interchangeable.

Some might call it clinging.

157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:55:46pm

re: #155 EPR-radar

We really do have political factions that are literally incomprehensible to each other. For Palin-faction wingnuts, Palin’s RNC speech is the Bible and Constitution all wrapped up in one shiny package, you betcha.

Those same Palin fans to this day still eat up her word salad and describe it as clear, grammatically correct, and always to the point.
For some people there is apparently no hope at all…

158 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:55:48pm

re: #156 Amory Blaine

Some might call it clinging.

Obama learned his lesson there —- the bitter clingers certainly can’t handle the truth about their being, especially coming from an outsider.

159 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:55:48pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

Interesting. So is it

Guns = Son and Free Market = Holy Ghost

or

Guns = Holy Ghost and Free Market = Son?

And the three men I admired most,
The Father, Son and the Holy Ghost,
They caught the last train for the coast,
The day the tea party died.

160 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:56:33pm

re: #155 EPR-radar

We really do have political factions that are literally incomprehensible to each other. For Palin-faction wingnuts, Palin’s RNC speech is the Bible and Constitution all wrapped up in one shiny package, you betcha.

and now she has been joined up on the iconostat by saint cruz

161 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:56:57pm

A wingnut was telling me tonight that she knows that the US is headed toward a civil war based on twitter feeds she had read. I told her tweeting was something little birds do, not revolutionaries.

162 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:57:40pm

re: #152 dog philosopher

i have been writing “please have XXXX return an informative error code if YYYY” over and over

i am rather polite today

I might use that in my next email to the sibs.

163 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:57:55pm

re: #154 BongCrodny

I just read a poll that showed Sarah Palin 18 points behind Mark Begich in a hypothetical Senate matchup.

In Alaska.

Her national appeal is non-existent.

That’s beautiful. She won’t run though. She’s stupid but she’s shrewd enough to keep on doing what she’s been doing since she quit.

164 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:57:59pm

When my nieces were young we used to have tea parties under grandmas kitchen table. Once I took them to a real tea room (which they hated).

165 Witches BaBOOshka  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:58:33pm

re: #161 aagcobb

A wingnut was telling me tonight that she knows that the US is headed toward a civil war based on twitter feeds she had read. I told her tweeting was something little birds do, not revolutionaries.

You should have told her that the NSA knows who is sending those Tweets so they have it covered.

166 AlexRogan  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:58:37pm

re: #108 freetoken

This, too, is America 2013:

Gov. hopeful touts conservative views

Apparently to run for office in Arkansas one has to be “pro-gun, pro-God”, whatever those mean. I suspect they mean the same thing, and that “God” and “gun” are fully interchangeable.

Well, yeah.

When you have a gun, you get to play God, if you are so disposed; just ask George Zimmerman, for example.

167 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:58:44pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those same Palin fans to this day still eat up her word salad and describe it as clear, grammatically correct, and always to the point.
For some people there is apparently no hope at all…

If a liberal asserts something that is factually correct (e.g., Palin’s speeches usually amount to word salad devoid of thought), wingnut anti-liberal antibodies mount an immune response that includes construction of talking points that directly contradict whatever the liberal assertion was.

168 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:59:09pm

Five years I’ve been in this country and I’m still lost when it comes to American measurements. I’ll never remember how the hell much a pint or a quart is.

I miss my metric system.

169 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:59:14pm

re: #161 aagcobb

A wingnut was telling me tonight that she knows that the US is headed toward a civil war based on twitter feeds she had read. I told her tweeting was something little birds do, not revolutionaries.

Heh.

Tell her that the NSA is also reading the Tweets of these would-be “revolutionaries” and therefore any civil war will be pre-empted through a massive series of drone strikes which will neutralize the leadership before a shot is even fired.

170 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:59:45pm

I remember the brutal tweeter war of ‘13. Never forget.

171 ausador  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:59:54pm

re: #150 thedopefishlives

Just remember the widespread claims that WTC building #7 collapsed at a speed that was “faster than gravity” and then you can simply laugh at how utterly and comprehensively stupid these people truly are.

(There were actually top secret invisible CIA supplied rocket motors attached to the roof of the building to drive the building into the ground faster after the pyrotechnic charges went off!!!11!11)

///

172 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:59:58pm

re: #166 AlexRogan

Well, yeah.

When you have a gun, you get to play God, if you are so disposed; just ask George Zimmerman, for example.

“I felt this incredible rush of power like God must feel when He’s holding a gun!”

173 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:00:15pm

re: #170 Amory Blaine

I remember the brutal tweeter war of ‘13. Never forget.

RIT (Rest In Tweets)

174 thedopefishlives  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:07:29pm

re: #171 ausador

I need to learn to laugh at these fools, rather than getting emotionally involved, is my problem. Especially with regard to 9/11 - the defining tragedy of my generation - it’s just hard for me to treat Truthers with the ridicule they deserve, instead of getting all heated at them because they mock and make light of such a terrible event.

175 thedopefishlives  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:08:23pm

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

Five years I’ve been in this country and I’m still lost when it comes to American measurements. I’ll never remember how the hell much a pint or a quart is.

I miss my metric system.

Five quarts to an engine.

/Oh, that’s not the kind of conversion you’re talking?

176 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:11:02pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

That’s beautiful. She won’t run though. She’s stupid but she’s shrewd enough to keep on doing what she’s been doing since she quit.

Well, what she’s been doing isn’t working out so well for her anymore.
Donations to her PAC are drying up faster than a drought in Texas.
Also, running for any political office would require some actual work, and she’s already proven that she’s allergic to anything that requires real effort.
Plus, most of the country thinks she’s an idiot (which she is bound and determined to continue proving with every single tweet, FB post and Fox appearance).

177 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:12:03pm

re: #161 aagcobb

A wingnut was telling me tonight that she knows that the US is headed toward a civil war

pretty soon i will be visiting my wingnut relatives who are likely to be talking about something similar

i have been preparing strategies for not answering political questions

178 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:13:07pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, what she’s been doing isn’t working out so well for her anymore.
Donations to her PAC are drying up faster than a drought in Texas.
Also, running for any political office would require some actual work, and she’s already proven that she’s allergic to anything that requires real effort.
Plus, most of the country thinks she’s an idiot (which she is bound and determined to continue proving with every single tweet, FB post and Fox appearance).

I wonder how she really managed to lose that sweet wingnut welfare position on Fox. IIRC, Fox was paying exorbitant rates for her services. Perhaps if she were less greedy, she wouldn’t have lost that job.

179 Joanne  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:14:23pm

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

Five years I’ve been in this country and I’m still lost when it comes to American measurements. I’ll never remember how the hell much a pint or a quart is.

I miss my metric system.

Since I’m now in your former homeland, I’d gladly trade you your metric for my readily recognizable imperial (sorta) system.

180 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:14:55pm

re: #178 EPR-radar

I wonder how she really managed to lose that sweet wingnut welfare position on Fox. IIRC, Fox was paying exorbitant rates for her services. Perhaps if she were less greedy, she wouldn’t have lost that job.

I’ve read enough FR over the years to spout wingnutese pretty fluently; I wonder if FNC will hire me to spew wingnut BS? I work cheap……give me a contract for $50,000 per annum, and I’ll happily show up and tell the RWNJ’s any shit they want to hear.

//

181 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:15:50pm

re: #170 Amory Blaine

I remember the brutal tweeter war of ‘13. Never forget.


Now I know a gal’ named Sadie Green,
The hottest gal’ in New Orleans,
She loves to dance, she loves to sing,
Say she take a chance on any ole’ thing.

The other night down at the hall,
When the band would play,
Miss Sadie’d go on that floor,
And this is what she’d say,

Now how’m I doin’ (hey hey)
Twee twee twee, twah twah,
Now how’m I doin’ (hey hey)
Aww, gee, oh baby, you’re sure.

182 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:15:51pm

re: #171 ausador

Just remember the widespread claims that WTC building #7 collapsed at a speed that was “faster than gravity” and then you can simply laugh at how utterly and comprehensively stupid these people truly are.

(There were actually top secret invisible CIA supplied rocket motors attached to the roof of the building to drive the building into the ground faster after the pyrotechnic charges went off!!!11!11)

///

It only LOOKED like it collapsed.
In fact, It launched off into sekrit orbit…

//

183 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:16:38pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

“I felt this incredible rush of power like God must feel when He’s holding a gun!”

Is that what happened to the stenographer at the House of Representatives?

184 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:17:23pm

re: #177 dog philosopher

pretty soon i will be visiting my wingnut relatives who are likely to be talking about something similar

i have been preparing strategies for not answering political questions

Out wingnut them for fun. I use to tell my mom’s friend how at Bilderberg meetings to plot the NWO, Pappy Bush sacrificed little christian babies to Satan before Supreme Leader Queen Elizabeth.

185 AlexRogan  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:19:24pm

re: #175 thedopefishlives

Five quarts to an engine.

/Oh, that’s not the kind of conversion you’re talking?

A pint is a pound the world around.

/Alton Brown

186 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:19:27pm

re: #178 EPR-radar

I wonder how she really managed to lose that sweet wingnut welfare position on Fox. IIRC, Fox was paying exorbitant rates for her services. Perhaps if she were less greedy, she wouldn’t have lost that job.

She started attacking the people that Fox was supporting.
Even though she had a script to follow for every appearance, she kept insisting on going all mavericky.
Also, BillO hates her guts.

I was really surprised that they took her back.

187 thedopefishlives  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:23:28pm

re: #185 AlexRogan

A pint is a pound the world around.

/Alton Brown

Well, to be technical, that’s not true. As a pint is a unit of volume, the weight of it will vary by the Earth’s local gravitational field. Its mass, however, will be constant.

188 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:25:06pm
189 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:26:55pm

re: #188 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Though I have to agree with Emily Yoffe on Slate that it really isn’t a good idea for girls to drink until they pass out; that’s making it way too easy for the rapists.

190 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:34:26pm

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

Five years I’ve been in this country and I’m still lost when it comes to American measurements. I’ll never remember how the hell much a pint or a quart is.

I miss my metric system.

if you do manage to remember, just have two or three more pints and that should be sure to take care of the problem

191 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:34:32pm

re: #189 aagcobb

Though I have to agree with Emily Yoffe on Slate that it really isn’t a good idea for girls to drink until they pass out; that’s making it way too easy for the rapists.

And wallet-takers, and face-painters, etc. If one is going to become unable to defend oneself, one should choose one’s company carefully.

192 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:35:30pm

Game one of the world series just started..I love all great sports..NBA champions. March madness.Superbowl..Worldcup..All sports all the time.
I really need to get off my ass and get some sports pages here..Sorry..Everybody needs a Sunday Football page to vent about. We’ll do better..Maybe you recall that for a year I posted the Lizard prayer list here at 10AM religiously Man..Thank you for that..I think we all saw mircles and prayers answered back then..Thank you again to be a part of that years ago..Thanks to Goddessoftheclassroom who started the prayer list that gave hope and prayers for lizards. Let’s never forget part of our small history here..
Most will never remember the time when the Lakers won the world championship and I was seriously bemoaninng that fact. And good ole Charles was posting from Downtown LA watching the Parade and having a beer..That my friends is painful…
I remember what I posted.. That this is like Vinagar on my lips.. But Congradulations on winning.,,
I promise not to gloat too much this year over the Lakers…mmmm they are going down,,


That was painful to say..But why can’t we somewhat gracious in politics an

193 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:36:28pm

re: #192 HoosierHoops

Hiya Hoops.
Just sending love!

194 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:42:12pm
195 Lidane  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:45:08pm

re: #146 EPR-radar

Palin is stupid and malicious, and is quite pleased with herself for these traits. McCain’s pick of Palin as his running mate is unforgivable.

THIS x a billion.

McCain’s choice of Palin was easily one of the most blatantly cynical moves I’d ever seen. The GOP thought that they could draw disgruntled Hillary voters to them just by nominating a woman. ANY woman. Never mind the fact that Palin’s resume is laughable compared to Hillary’s. The Republicans figured that any woman would do and that women voters exist as some sort of hive vagina, voting for anything with two X chromosomes.

196 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:46:05pm

moron mailbag

I read your article on Ted Cruz. How misinformed can a person be? You have to understand that no matter what, 48% of America is going to agree with Obama and want his policies, because they’re sucking off the entitlement teet, and have no skin in the game, so they don’t count for anything, they’re completely out of the equation. That leaves only 52% of America that actually counts, I guarantee that 80 to 90% of those individuals want to see Obamacare defunded. These facts make your article invalid. Bottom line, think about it, do you really think America has room to add another 20% to the budget for healthcare subsidies? What planet are you on? I guess you’re on the same planet as the 48% who doesn’t care about fiscal responsibility let alone the welfare of the rest of the nation

i was told there would be no meth

197 darthstar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:48:08pm
198 Mike Lamb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:50:12pm

re: #196 dog philosopher

Is that from Mitt Romney?

199 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:50:25pm

Here’s something you don’t see every day. A raving loon with an excellent command of the language. From NRO comments:

Authentic conservatism enjoys not only a profound consistency in each of its constituent parts (providing for, when full-orbed, an ability to address a myriad of issues in a holistic, intellectually cogent, coherent and nuanced manner … complete with consistently predictable outcomes) but it also contributes to an ethos grounded in transcendent values.

The intellectual integrity and vigor of authentic conservatism quite
naturally motivates those who have drunk deeply from its well …
demanding urgency and action when under threat … and vigilance when restored.

While Establishment Republicans are somewhat versed (though genuine conservatives recognize pretenders pretty easily) in conservative concepts and language they lack not merely conviction (and the courage which knowledge can yield) but, like a lexicon, they may offer the textbook definition of conservative ideas … yet have assimilated that knowledge in no meaningful fashion.

Instead, they offer a stream of words disconnected from any meaningful comprehension or conviction. Just a series of conservative noises offered just in time for each election cycle.

Conservatives have not become more partisan … as some would
suggest, dismissive of the angst and action of Conservatives of late. It’s simply that the arc … the historical trajectory of progressivism/modern liberalism/marxism leads, inexorably, to tyranny (the abatement of liberty).

Having now reached that moment when its tendencies toward despotism are now undeniable, the Left is laboring in a feverish, grasping urgency to finalize its agenda. Only conservatives stand in their way.

Conversely, Republicans can only offer politcal strategies (failed)
divorced from any meaningful narrative or philosophy. They betray a
frightening tendency toward both self-deception and hypocrisy coupled
with an increasingly visceral hatred of any voice to their right.

At best they are reactionaries so captured by the moment, so void of
any meaningful or persuasive governing vision, so possessed of
shortsighted and selfish politcal ambitions that they remain forever
unable to see the forest for the trees.

At worst, they are just another member-in-good-standing in today’s
cynical, duplicitous, self absorbed, permanent political class.

The disdain Establish Republicans reveal for conservatives who have
the temerity to stand and offer a full throated defense of a full-orbed
conservative ideology and their willingness to assign the label
“conservative” to those who’ve offered only the feeblest defense of
conservative values … ready to jettison them the very moment any hint
of disapproval is registered among liberal elites, suggests to me that
there’s more dishonesty afoot than any of us might wish to acknowledge.

200 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:52:04pm

re: #198 Mike Lamb

Is that from Mitt Romney?

the article attributes it to a certain ‘Paul Erck’

201 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:53:25pm

re: #193 Dancing along the light of day

Hiya Hoops.
Just sending love!

Hi Beautiful! Been Sailing much with hot guys and big boats? ( need more pics cutie.. Sorry lizards..Haha heeehee ) Floral is a cutiepie with a fucking beach house and nobody tried to hit on her for years..Sorry floral..But really? So how big of a boat do I need? Kidding you hon.. Enjoyed talking to you and our Political rightwing guy a few weeks ago..I call you guys on the beach? I wanna say fuck you! But you know I love you guys!
Kind regards

202 Witches BaBOOshka  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:53:29pm

re: #199 EPR-radar

Here’s something you don’t see every day. A raving loon with an excellent command of the language. From NRO comments:

That’s a chomskybot.

203 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:54:27pm

re: #199 EPR-radar

Here’s something you don’t see every day. A raving loon with an excellent command of the language. From NRO comments:

so literate and well spoken that no normal person could possibly understand them

204 Witches BaBOOshka  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:56:27pm

re: #203 dog philosopher

so literate and well spoken that no normal person could possibly understand them

It’s not articulate at all, just a bunch of word salad.

205 BongCrodny  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:58:27pm

re: #199 EPR-radar

Here’s something you don’t see every day. A raving loon with an excellent command of the language. From NRO comments:

I’ll bet if he went to a Tea Party convention and started talking like that, they’d string him up.

206 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:59:06pm

re: #204 Vicious Babushka

It’s not articulate at all, just a bunch of word salad.

word salad at $16 a plate

it takes literally ten paragraphs to say “establishment republicans are justa bunch bullshit artists”

207 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:59:30pm

re: #204 Vicious Babushka

It’s not articulate at all, just a bunch of word salad.

It’s an unusual flavor of word salad, with $10 words used correctly, mostly in proper sentences.

It also probably makes sense, from a conservative point of view. Authentic frontier gibberish (e.g., from Palin) usually doesn’t make sense from any point of view.

208 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:00:41pm

re: #206 dog philosopher

word salad at $16 a plate

it takes literally ten paragraphs to say “establishment republicans are justa bunch bullshit artists”

But all that halo polishing of conservatives was essential.///

209 BongCrodny  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:03:17pm

re: #199 EPR-radar

Here’s something you don’t see every day. A raving loon with an excellent command of the language. From NRO comments:

full-orbed

Is that anything like a breast fixation?

210 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:04:11pm

re: #205 BongCrodny

I’ll bet if he went to a Tea Party convention and started talking like that, they’d string him up.

The curse of the thinking conservative. I bet WF Buckley had the same problem from time to time.

211 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:04:32pm

re: #209 BongCrodny

Is that anything like a breast fixation?

Obamacare will cover that.

212 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:06:30pm

re: #201 HoosierHoops

Hi Beautiful! Been Sailing much with hot guys and big boats? ( need more pics cutie.. Sorry lizards..Haha heeehee ) Floral is a cutiepie with a fucking beach house and nobody tried to hit on her for years..Sorry floral..But really? So how big of a boat do I need? Kidding you hon.. Enjoyed talking to you and our Political rightwing guy a few weeks ago..I call you guys on the beach? I wanna say fuck you! But you know I love you guys!
Kind regards

Um, yes.

213 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:06:42pm

Authentic conservatism enjoys not only a profound consistency in each of its constituent parts (providing for, when full-orbed, an ability to address a myriad of issues in a holistic, intellectually cogent, coherent and nuanced manner … complete with consistently predictable outcomes) but it also contributes to an ethos grounded in transcendent values.

“people like me are the really smart ones”

but i’m marking him down for “full-orbed”…

214 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:07:03pm

re: #209 BongCrodny

Is that anything like a breast fixation?

‘full-orbed’ is very strange terminology. I’m imagining this comment is a cut and paste from the author’s personal blog, which is steadily drifting to TimeCube levels of obsessive nonsense in an attempt to prove that wingnut conservatism is “The One True Way”.

215 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:25:31pm

re: #199 EPR-radar

Here’s something you don’t see every day. A raving loon with an excellent command of the language. From NRO comments:

The problem with conservatives and conservatism is they think their ideology is the only rooted in liberal democratic tradition. Progressivism/modern liberalism have to be linked with Marxism. Liberals have to be seen as tyrants. The other problem conservatism has that it has increasingly become more and more an ideology that excludes rather than includes. Read, how gay groups who try to participate in things like CPAC are treated or how the conservative movement views anyone who doesn’t fit “judeo-christian.”

216 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:02:36pm

re: #213 dog philosopher

Authentic conservatism enjoys not only a profound consistency in each of its constituent parts (providing for, when full-orbed, an ability to address a myriad of issues in a holistic, intellectually cogent, coherent and nuanced manner … complete with consistently predictable outcomes) but it also contributes to an ethos grounded in transcendent values.

“people like me are the really smart ones”

but i’m marking him down for “full-orbed”…

The MW online dictionary gives an interesting usage example for full-orbed:

“Orthodox Christianity has always held to the full-orbed trinitarian faith, and the Athanasian Creed is the classic expression of this doctrine.” Rushdoony.

Rushdoony is a famous nutball Christian dominionist. en.wikipedia.org

217 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:17:39pm

re: #212 Dancing along the light of day

Um, yes.

Sorry..Too many beers

218 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:45:19am

re: #117 wrenchwench

Wow, what a mess. {{{ww}}}

I’m glad to hear your dad is getting better.

219 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:08:41am

Charles Johnson,

The Gremlins analogy that Jon Stewart makes is perfect!

220 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:40:54am

re: #218 CuriousLurker

Thanks. I might DM the latest from the evil sis. I think I have vented enough here!


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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ...
Cheechako
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A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...
KGxvi
6 hours ago
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