Awesome 5D Short Film: Primordial - Yellowstone / Grand Tetons

Where the buffalo roam
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Shot on 5D, 7D with Tamron 24-70 2.8 and Tamron 70-200 2.8
I wrote a blog post about the experience here: voortexproductions.com

Music: Bium Bium Bambalo by Sigur Ros
Lyrics translated from Icelandic

Bíum bíum bambaló,
Bambaló and dillidillidó
My little friend I lull to rest
But outside, a face looms at the window

When the mighty mountains
Fill your chest with burning desire,
I will play the langspil
And soothe your mind

Bíum bíum bambaló,
Bambaló and dillidillidó
My little friend I lull to rest
But outside, a face looms at the window

When the cruel storms rage
And the dark blizzard crouches above,
I shall light five candles
And drive away the winter shadows

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143 comments
1 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:58:12pm

Well holy shit.

2 darthstar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:59:07pm
3 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:03:53pm
4 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:04:29pm

re: #2 darthstar

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Well yeah, but the whole thing’s an utter mess, we must immediately abandon all hope and throw ourselves at the mercy of the GOP with a proposal for a one year delay of the individual mandate, so that we might not look like we’re supporting the White House’s total denial!

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5 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:04:59pm
6 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:06:21pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Medium-long still from the remake of Them.

7 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:08:09pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

Well holy shit.

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Just holy shit!
*waves*

8 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:08:29pm

I have to do posts like this occasionally to stay sane these days. There’s more to life than politics.

9 JustMark  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:09:14pm

Simply stunning.

10 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:09:33pm

Later, lizards.

11 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:10:09pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I have to do posts like this occasionally to stay sane these days. There’s more to life than politics.

Ha. This is the bottom of the electoral cycle.

12 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:13:42pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I’m very pleased with the Click to Flash Safari extension. It is amusing that this capability made it into Safari itself. IIRC, Apple is not fond of Flash.

13 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:13:49pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I have to do posts like this occasionally to stay sane these days. There’s more to life than politics.

It’s why I’m a gamer. Journeying through a fantasy land or just playing God to a bunch of simulated humans is a great way to decompress. Despite what the moral guardians always say, violent video games do not lead to violent people. But they can do a lot to defuse people before they become violent.

14 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:17:22pm

No matter how gorgeously shot these videos are - and this one is truly gorgeous and amazing, it simply doesn’t compare to actually being there and feeling a herd of bison running from a grizzly or feeling the power of the geysers erupting, or the smell of sulfur and the heat of the mudpots and superheated pools.

Oh, and this is a national park - something that the GOP wouldn’t mind exploiting and turning a profit off of. They’re not beyond defiling the memory of Teddy Roosevelt, who helped establish the National Park System, and Yellowstone in particular.

15 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:22:49pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

Well holy shit.

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KT will be overjoyed.

What a scam.

16 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:26:13pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

Well holy shit.

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He got 38K? Damn.

17 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:27:22pm

re: #15 William Barnett-Lewis

KT will be overjoyed.

What a scam.

You’re telling me. The guy pepper sprays a bunch of college kids and he claims he was harmed? Must be nice.

18 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:32:13pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

You’re telling me. The guy pepper sprays a bunch of college kids and he claims he was harmed? Must be nice.

The death threats caused PTSD. No, really, that’s his claim. So he got $38k while the kids he illegally sprayed got $30k each.

19 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:32:26pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

You’re telling me. The guy pepper sprays a bunch of college kids and he claims he was harmed? Must be nice.

From the article, it wasn’t even physical (e.g., a shot from his own pepper spray). It was mental suffering caused by ‘death threats’.

Yeesh.

20 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:35:29pm

re: #18 William Barnett-Lewis

The death threats caused PTSD. No, really, that’s his claim. So he got $38k while the kids he illegally sprayed got $30k each.

What a crock of shit.

21 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:40:42pm

Looks like Darrell “Benghazi Bugaloo” Issa is preparing to introduce an immigration bill next week, according to Politico.

politico.com

Predictably, he’s getting a nice view of the suspension under the GOP bus from the Freepers, LOL.

Another “hero” bites the dust.

And with that, goodnight, Lizards.

22 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:43:56pm

re: #21 Dr Lizardo

Looks like Darrell “Benghazi Bugaloo” Issa is preparing to introduce an immigration bill next week, according to Politico.

politico.com

Predictably, he’s getting a nice view of the suspension under the GOP bus from the Freepers, LOL.

Another hero bites the dust.

And with that, goodnight, Lizards.

Anything outside deporting all illegal immigrants is unacceptable to the GOP base. The sooner their politicians discover that and stop pandering to these idiots for votes and stop trying to “out-conservative” each other, the better off our country and legislatures will be.

23 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:44:39pm

re: #21 Dr Lizardo

Looks like Darrell “Benghazi Bugaloo” Issa is preparing to introduce an immigration bill next week, according to Politico.

politico.com

Predictably, he’s getting a nice view of the suspension under the GOP bus from the Freepers, LOL.

Another hero bites the dust.

And with that, goodnight, Lizards.

Fun times ahead. GOP infighting over immigration will make the Obamacare defunding debacle look like a 10-second spat between toddlers on a playground.

24 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:46:48pm

re: #23 EPR-radar

Fun times ahead. GOP infighting over immigration will make the Obamacare defunding debacle look like a 10-second spat between toddlers on a playground.

One last comment till I hit the hay; I agree - the immigration issue could very well be the “last straw” that leads the Tea Party wing to separate itself once and for all from the GOP proper, especially if the TP’ers by-and-large fail in their efforts to “primary the RINO’s” come next year.

25 Archangelus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:55:17pm

re: #24 Dr Lizardo

One last comment till I hit the hay; I agree - the immigration issue could very well be the “last straw” that leads the Tea Party wing to separate itself once and for all from the GOP proper, especially if the TP’ers by-and-large fail in their efforts to “primary the RINO’s” come next year.

I’m kind of torn when it comes to this. One one hand, as a Dem, I’m kind of hoping the internal insanity will ensue until after next year’s elections so that the TPGOP will continue tearing itself to shreds (and hopefully ensure more Democratic votes in the process). On the other hand, though, we need a viable two-party political system - one party and a circus/freak show doesn’t count, not to mention that even with the party at the lowest support/approval ever, some of the nuts will still find their way into places of power where they could inflict more harm on the Republic…

26 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:58:18pm
27 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:02:31pm

re: #21 Dr Lizardo

Looks like Darrell “Benghazi Bugaloo” Issa is preparing to introduce an immigration bill next week, according to Politico.

politico.com

Predictably, he’s getting a nice view of the suspension under the GOP bus from the Freepers, LOL.

Another “hero” bites the dust.

And with that, goodnight, Lizards.

Issa needs to hold the line. His constituents will support him over the teabaggers if he stands firm and immigration reform needs to happen.

28 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:03:10pm

Via a blocked Medicaid expansion? Purposeful, permanent

via intentional misinformation from talk radio/teevee? malicious

via stubbornly refusing to get on the site and get help from the gummmint? moronic and 27%ish

29 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:03:47pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

Issa needs to hold the line. His constituents will support him over the teabaggers if he stands firm and immigration reform needs to happen.

i read issa and the teabaggers and it doesn’t have a happy ending

30 Lidane  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:04:38pm
31 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:08:51pm

The GOP leadership’s talking immigration even though the TPers want them to talk nothing but defund/delay until at least January, when they want them to again make a play at shutting down the government and threatening default unless the President agrees to their demands. They seem convinced that this time it will work, because there’s red-stater Dems who are getting antsy over negative press about Healthcare.gov in an election year.

32 Archangelus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:10:14pm

Different topic, but for the gamers among us here, the vids coming out for the upcoming Star Citizen (PC space sim by Chris Roberts, creator of the Wing Commander series, Elite and more) could teach TV commercials a thing or two IMO…

Youtube Video

And yes, that’s the in-game engine at work (and the full HD clip is just stunning).

33 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:21:01pm

re: #32 Archangelus

Different topic, but for the gamers among us here, the vids coming out for the upcoming Star Citizen (PC space sim by Chris Roberts, creator of the Wing Commander series, Elite and more) could teach TV commercials a thing or two IMO…

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And yes, that’s the in-game engine at work (and the full HD clip is just stunning).

It still gets me to look at those kinds of graphics…and then remember a time when seeing a person moving around in a video game meant either using a full-motion video or make-believing that the stack of blocks was human-shaped.

34 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:24:38pm

NYT: “Genetic Republican”, 5th generation Taft, is not enthused:

nytimes.com

35 Archangelus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:27:36pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

NYT: “Genetic Republican”, 5th generation Taft, is not enthused:

nytimes.com

Was just about to post that one. I think that Taft is off on one key thing though - it’s not that they “have a long way to go”, so much as that they’ve crossed what I consider to be the line of no return by this point…

36 Archangelus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:29:17pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

It still gets me to look at those kinds of graphics…and then remember a time when seeing a person moving around in a video game meant either using a full-motion video or make-believing that the stack of blocks was human-shaped.

Right there with ya, and it’s not like it was that far ago when you think about it (1990s)…

Edited to add that the Star Citizen vid I posted above was actually not the one I originally wanted to link, which is here (that was a previous one released by RSI, not the new one from today, which actually looks more amazing, and is also purely the game engine being shown):

Youtube Video

37 Lidane  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:33:40pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

The GOP leadership’s talking immigration even though the TPers want them to talk nothing but defund/delay until at least January, when they want them to again make a play at shutting down the government and threatening default unless the President agrees to their demands. They seem convinced that this time it will work, because there’s red-stater Dems who are getting antsy over negative press about Healthcare.gov in an election year.

If the Tea Party idiots try to force another shutdown in January, I will laugh my ass off. That’s the LAST thing the GOP leadership in both the House and Senate want in an election year. The in-party fighting then should be epic.

38 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:34:06pm

Watching baseball on mute at this point. I wish US sportscasting got back to just letting us watch and listen to the game rather than seeming forced to listen to constant blather and pseudo-human interest stories. The latter often *over* the action going on.

39 calochortus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:36:02pm

Good evening. After a fun afternoon moving furniture around I think I’ll enjoy an evening of internet socializing and ibuprofen. What could be better?

40 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:37:14pm

re: #38 Feline Fearless Leader

Watching baseball on mute at this point. I wish US sportscasting got back to just letting us watch and listen to the game rather than seeming forced to listen to constant blather and pseudo-human interest stories. The latter often *over* the action going on.

They need new broadcasters. I’m so sick of Tim McCarver and Joe Buck. Those guys have been calling the WS for as long as I can remember. But I agree. Just let us watch the game rather than listen to them blather on and on.

41 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:39:29pm

Fun South Park tonight. Won’t spoil for people not in EST. I’ll just leave it at: always fun to have an ep with the Goth kids.

42 dog philosopher  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:39:30pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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it R a gi-ant

43 Archangelus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:41:12pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Won’t spoil for people not in EST

On behalf of the GMT+whatever challenged (who will be getting it later), thank you :)

44 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:41:24pm

re: #37 Lidane

If the Tea Party idiots try to force another shutdown in January, I will laugh my ass off. That’s the LAST thing the GOP leadership in both the House and Senate want in an election year. The in-party fighting then should be epic.

Yeah, I imagine January will be the real beginning of the GOP civil war. The TPers will spend the next two months beating the drums and declaring that this time, the GOP sees it to the death or else pay the price. The leadership’s response will be that they will not destroy the country in an election year simply so the Tea Party can claim some twisted form of “victory.”

45 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:42:18pm

re: #43 Archangelus

On behalf of the GMT+whatever challenged (who will be getting it later), thank you :)

Not a problem. Enjoy.

46 Archangelus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:46:12pm

re: #37 Lidane

If the Tea Party idiots try to force another shutdown in January, I will laugh my ass off. That’s the LAST thing the GOP leadership in both the House and Senate want in an election year. The in-party fighting then should be epic.

I think that if they’re nuts enough to bring that about, the perspective of the entire Democratic party could be effectively summarized in the following simple image..
Popcorn

47 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:50:21pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

Yeah, I imagine January will be the real beginning of the GOP civil war. The TPers will spend the next two months beating the drums and declaring that this time, the GOP sees it to the death or else pay the price. The leadership’s response will be that they will not destroy the country in an election year simply so the Tea Party can claim some twisted form of “victory.”

And presumably the Senate tosses in something dealing with immigration for them to chew on about that time. Puts another issue on the table for them to rip themselves apart on, or ignore and tantrum about at their own electoral peril.

48 calochortus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:53:41pm

I suppose someone posted this earlier, but really, Darrell Issa posting cat pictures on teh intertubes? (Daily Kos)
Issa’s site (Actual Issa post)

49 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:54:54pm

re: #47 Feline Fearless Leader

And presumably the Senate tosses in something dealing with immigration for them to chew on about that time. Puts another issue on the table for them to rip themselves apart on, or ignore and tantrum about at their own electoral peril.

The Senate already has a bill passed; They passed the “Gang of 8” bill earlier this year.

50 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:56:46pm

re: #47 Feline Fearless Leader

And presumably the Senate tosses in something dealing with immigration for them to chew on about that time. Puts another issue on the table for them to rip themselves apart on, or ignore and tantrum about at their own electoral peril.

The move to immigration by the GOP seems to be a pretty smart one. Gets the country’s mind off the shutdown and how close we came to default, let’s the wingnuts cry about something else for awhile, and clears room on the deck for griping about the ACA’s stumbles. If they spent from now until January obsessing about the ACA and continuing the defund/delay business, Dems could argue to the electorate next year that the GOP destroyed any chance at real immigration reform to pursue their white whale.

51 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 7:57:32pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

Wow. And how much have we paid out to his victims I wonder.

Edit

A million bucks.

52 Stanley Sea  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:01:50pm

re: #51 Political Atheist

Wow. And how much have we paid out to his victims I wonder.

Less. 30K.

Bad scene all around.

53 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:08:02pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

The move to immigration by the GOP seems to be a pretty smart one. Gets the country’s mind off the shutdown and how close we came to default, let’s the wingnuts cry about something else for awhile, and clears room on the deck for griping about the ACA’s stumbles. If they spent from now until January obsessing about the ACA and continuing the defund/delay business, Dems could argue to the electorate next year that the GOP destroyed any chance at real immigration reform to pursue their white whale.

Further, given that Obama was poised to make an issue out of it, Issa’s bill can be promoted as an olive branch and a proposal something both parties can live with. Establish the debate parameters early, in such a way as leave extremists out of position.

54 BongCrodny  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:09:45pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Dems could argue to the electorate next year that the GOP destroyed any chance at real immigration reform to pursue their white whale male.

Fixed.

55 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:10:57pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

The move to immigration by the GOP seems to be a pretty smart one. Gets the country’s mind off the shutdown and how close we came to default, let’s the wingnuts cry about something else for awhile, and clears room on the deck for griping about the ACA’s stumbles. If they spent from now until January obsessing about the ACA and continuing the defund/delay business, Dems could argue to the electorate next year that the GOP destroyed any chance at real immigration reform to pursue their white whale.

It would be good. Something needs to be done on this.

56 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:11:53pm

re: #54 BongCrodny

The white whale is hard to find.

In contrast, white men prepared to vote their grievances are rather commonplace.

57 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:13:58pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Further, given that Obama was poised to make an issue out of it, Issa’s bill can be promoted as an olive branch and a proposal something both parties can live with. Establish the debate parameters early, in such a way as leave extremists out of position.

I’ll have to wait until those with more time for legalise have chewed through Issa’s bill, but being a hardened cynic by this point, I don’t expect that the House will successfully pass a bill unless Boehner finally drops the whole “Hastert Rule” BS and agrees to hash out a deal with Democrats that could pass with strong bipartisan support.

58 EPR-radar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:14:43pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

I’ll have to wait until those with more time for legalise have chewed through Issa’s bill, but being a hardened cynic by this point, I don’t expect that the House will successfully pass a bill unless Boehner finally drops the whole “Hastert Rule” BS and agrees to hash out a deal with Democrats that could pass with strong bipartisan support.

This would send the tea partiers into orbit, of course.

59 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:18:22pm

re: #58 EPR-radar

This would send the tea partiers into orbit, of course.

Yeah. It’s a smart move assuming the GOP moderates have the stones to escalate the civil war by aligning with the Democrats and dropping the Hastert Rule.

But they don’t have the stones. It’s all talk. By the time the bill gets amended enough to gain any TP support it’s going to be nothing but electrons and alligators.

60 Lidane  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:19:30pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

I don’t expect that the House will successfully pass a bill unless Boehner finally drops the whole “Hastert Rule” BS and agrees to hash out a deal with Democrats that could pass with strong bipartisan support.

The day that happens, I expect Twitter to crash under the weight of all the teabagger derp. And Free Republic might have to have a few more posts begging for money to keep their servers running.

61 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:21:20pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

I’ll have to wait until those with more time for legalise have chewed through Issa’s bill, but being a hardened cynic by this point, I don’t expect that the House will successfully pass a bill unless Boehner finally drops the whole “Hastert Rule” BS and agrees to hash out a deal with Democrats that could pass with strong bipartisan support.

Boehner could simply take the looser view of the Hastert Rule taken by Dennis Hastert and make sure a majority of Republicans supported a given bill. That would work for this piece of legislation.

Even allowing for that, putting forward a bill is the right move for the House leadership. It won’t stop Obama from giving speeches about immigration, but it will keep him from attacking Republicans in those speeches, at least for a while. It makes the issue more of a positive one in terms of media coverage and that is also important.

62 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:21:40pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Yeah. It’s a smart move assuming the GOP moderates have the stones to escalate the civil war by aligning with the Democrats and dropping the Hastert Rule.

But they don’t have the stones. It’s all talk. By the time the bill gets amended enough to gain any TP support it’s going to be nothing but electrons and alligators.

Pretty much. Any bill that could pass on GOP votes alone will not go very far in the Senate. And like the budget, the GOP will refuse to allow a conference committee be convened to bash together a unified bill, on the grounds that it considers the Senate bill “insufficient” or some other term meant to convey the belief that anything short of “DEPORT’EM ALL!” is too lenient.

63 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:24:02pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Boehner could simply take the looser view of the Hastert Rule taken by Dennis Hastert and make sure a majority of Republicans supported a given bill. That would work for this piece of legislation.

144 House members, the majority of Republicans, voted to default. I’m not sanguine about them seeing the light on any immigration reform proposal containing any species of amnesty.

64 calochortus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:24:38pm

re: #60 Lidane

The day that happens, I expect Twitter to crash under the weight of all the teabagger derp. And Free Republic might have to have a few more posts begging for money to keep their servers running.

It is amazing the number of former Tea Party darlings who have failed to be pure enough. I can’t imagine who Freepers, et. al. will be able to vote for.

65 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:24:45pm

So, I go to order some stuff on Amazon and I discover that just two days ago they changed their “Free Shipping”, including raising the amount needed to order from $25 to $35.

It’s this type of inflation which is missed by so many “inflation” estimations, and why CPI adjustments can never really keep up with the real changes in our economy.

Here’s the bottom line for living in a city in the US in the year 2013: you need to be earning at least $100k/yr if you want the American lifestyle (house, two kids, two cars, basic medical care, etc.)

It’s quite possible to live on less, but not only is the “aspirational” lifestyle then beyond your reach but also the notional American lifestyle. A single person, if they ignore health services for themselves, can live quite frugally on about $30k/yr. Just hope you don’t get ill.

66 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:25:15pm

re: #64 calochortus

It is amazing the number of former Tea Party darlings who have failed to be pure enough. I can’t imagine who Freepers, et. al. will be able to vote for.

The village idiot…oh wait, Ted Cruz is already in office.

67 calochortus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:26:44pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

The village idiot…oh wait, Ted Cruz is already in office.

President Cruz… Hahahahahaha.

68 Single-handed sailor  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:31:50pm

Issa’s seat is one of the ones susceptible to Democratic take over in 2014. I wonder if that has any bearing on his immigration bill.

69 calochortus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:32:44pm

re: #68 Single-handed sailor

Issa’s seat is one of the ones susceptible to Democratic take over in 2014. I wonder if that has any bearing on his immigration bill.

Issa? An opportunist who lets expediency rule his decisions? Unpossible.

70 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:34:32pm

re: #68 Single-handed sailor

Issa’s seat is one of the ones susceptible to Democratic take over in 2014. I wonder if that has any bearing on his immigration bill.

Oh, to be rid of that no-talent hack and his endless series of hearings about anything and everything he thinks might constitute a “conspiracy.”

71 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:39:16pm

re: #68 Single-handed sailor

Issa’s seat is one of the ones susceptible to Democratic take over in 2014. I wonder if that has any bearing on his immigration bill.

It’s why Issa didn’t stand with the rest of the TPers and voted for the spending bill. There are so many people in his district who work for the gov’t, contractors, or the military that are hurt by the TP shenanigans even the Car Thief realized it’d be stupid to go gonzo on debt increase.

However, there are so many SoCons in his district that I doubt he’d be replaced by a Democrat.

72 klys  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:39:40pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

Oh, to be rid of that no-talent hack and his endless series of hearings about anything and everything he thinks might constitute a “conspiracy.”

I think God doesn’t like me that much.

73 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:40:42pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

144 House members, the majority of Republicans, voted to default. I’m not sanguine about them seeing the light on any immigration reform proposal containing any species of amnesty.

It’s not a green card, is the thing. It’s a 6 year visa, issued to allow the government to determine how many people’s status will need to be resolved and figure out who should be allowed to stay for good. That could be sold, I think, especially if its properly presented. Issa should make an appearance on The O’Reilly Factor one of his first steps. Bill O’Reilly knows “Deport ‘em All!!1” is folly, and can be expected to give Issa’s idea a fair hearing. in that way, the bill’s first major appearance on Fox News will be a positive one, thus helping to defuse hostility and put the extremists on the back foot.

“He who will not risk cannot win.”

74 klys  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:41:37pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

Dark, if there were rational Republicans left, this could work.

Unfortunately, what it is in the current reality is delusional.

75 klys  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:44:41pm

In other news, Lizards, I have from now until I go to sleep to pretend I don’t have a math proofs midterm on Tuesday. Whoohoo!

/there may be gin.

76 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:46:01pm

re: #75 klys

In other news, Lizards, I have from now until I go to sleep to pretend I don’t have a math proofs midterm on Tuesday. Whoohoo!

/there may be gin.

But there will be blood.

//

77 calochortus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:46:27pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

What I’m seeing from TPers is 1) that’s just the camel’s nose in the tent, they’ll be voting in no time flat, and/or 2) great idea ‘cause then we can find and deport them. I don’t think the idea is all that popular among conservatives.

78 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:52:02pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

It’s not a green card, is the thing. It’s a 6 year visa, issued to allow the government to determine how many people’s status will need to be resolved and figure out who should be allowed to stay for good. That could be sold, I think, especially if its properly presented. Issa should make an appearance on The O’Reilly Factor one of his first steps. Bill O’Reilly knows “Deport ‘em All!!1” is folly, and can be expected to give Issa’s idea a fair hearing. in that way, the bill’s first major appearance on Fox News will be a positive one, thus helping to defuse hostility and put the extremists on the back foot.

“He who will not risk cannot win.”

It’s amnesty, at least that’s what the baggers will call it. It’s a toe hold towards legalization, the undocumented don’t have to leave first. Neither you, no Issa, nor anybody is going to be able to sell this to the majority of House Republicans. It’s not a matter of how you handle the marketing campaign, who’s show you go on first or how you craft the message.

It’s so poisonous that a continued push is one of the few things that could actually cause the TP guys to go third party in several races after losing primary challenges.

I mean, by all means, go for it, you’re in a civil war for party control whether you like it or not. But you’re high if you think this is the kind of issue that the party will be able to unite behind.

79 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:56:27pm

re: #77 calochortus

What I’m seeing from TPers is 1) that’s just the camel’s nose in the tent, they’ll be voting in no time flat, and/or 2) great idea ‘cause then we can find and deport them. I don’t think the idea is all that popular among conservatives.

Most people realize that six years is a death sentence for the anti immigration side. That’ six years of continued demographic shift. Six years of legal status as American residents, six years having more citizen kids, six years cementing ties to the community, six years of inertia. As a pragmatic matter it’ll be damned near impossible to deport them after that, as it should be. No way in hell the TP guys go for this.

80 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:57:39pm

NRCC Chair Gets Primary Challenger

Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR), the chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, is now facing a primary challenge from Klamath County Commissioner Dennis Linthicum.

Linthicum announced his primary challenge Wednesday, according to The Oregonian. In an interview with the Oregon newspaper Linthicum said Walden has made a career out of being a politician.

He also said that Tea Party Republicans are “clearly in my camp.”

81 calochortus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:59:55pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

Of course they won’t. But I suspect that in the long run it doesn’t matter whether they like it or not. Change will happen, people will come and stay.
It would be humane to allow those here to have legal status, but the TPers are too afraid of brown people to let it happen easily.

82 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:01:25pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

Most people realize that six years is a death sentence for the anti immigration side. That’ six years of continued demographic shift. Six years of legal status as American residents, six years having more citizen kids, six years cementing ties to the community, six years of inertia. As a pragmatic matter it’ll be damned near impossible to deport them after that, as it should be. No way in hell the TP guys go for this.

It’s about inevitability, and their vain hope that they can fight against it if they just put up a high enough barrier. That they can somehow keep out the people they don’t want and so keep a bigger piece of the pie for themselves in perpetuity. They got burned badly on this with Reagan and they still hold a grudge, even if they’ll make up excuses about how “he had no choice” or “Democrats forced him to do it.”

83 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:02:34pm

re: #80 Kragar

Remember, the Oregon GOP is now headed by non other than our old friend Art Robinson - so anything can happen now.

84 Lidane  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:04:03pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

It’s not a green card, is the thing. It’s a 6 year visa, issued to allow the government to determine how many people’s status will need to be resolved and figure out who should be allowed to stay for good. That could be sold, I think, especially if its properly presented.

Please. You honestly think the teabagger morons will go for that? These are the same dipshits who scream about ZOMG OBUMMER IZ A TYRANT over healthcare but they want the government to round up and deport 12 million people. They also want landmines and snipers on the border and think Arpaio is a swell guy.

Anything less than mass deportation is going to be considered a surrender by those fanatics.

85 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:16:31pm

Funny thing is that the monied interests and the wingnuts are at least agreed that amnesty is a bad idea, it’s just that the wingnuts are looking at it from a political and demographic point of view, while the monied interests are looking at it from a labor cost and business regulations point of view.

86 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:19:20pm

Remember the story from the SF hospital where a woman went missing and her body wasn’t discovered until 17 days later, inside that very same hospital?

Well, an update:

Hospital employee stepped over body of missing patient, reports say

The family of a woman who vanished from her San Francisco hospital room and was found dead 17 days later in an emergency stairwell is angered by reports that a hospital employee stepped over her several days before the body attracted the attention of investigators, family representatives said.

Haig Harris, a lawyer representing the children of Lynne Spalding, 57, said he was told that the hospital employee saw a woman lying in the exterior stairwell and reported it to a nurse. The nurse notified the San Francisco Sheriff’s Department, which handles security for the city-owned hospital and previously had searched the grounds for Spalding.

But days passed before another hospital employee noticed the woman and got the attention of authorities, Harris said.

[…]

Aha! DEATH PANELS!!

Except this was before the ACA went into effect.

87 Kragar  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:20:44pm

Caught on tape: CA mayor’s racist remarks paint Iraqi immigrants as drug dealers and moochers

While a California mayor and his city defend themselves against accusations of racism after his remarks criticizing Chaldean Catholic immigrants from Iraq were published in a national magazine, audio obtained exclusively by The Raw Story reveals him also disparaging his town’s Mexican-American community and “Black Africans” in an interview replete with stereotype-driven opinions.

During an interview with Arun Gupta for The Progressive magazine published in May 2013, El Cajon Mayor Mark Lewis can be heard saying the city has had “a terrible time” dealing with some Chaldean business owners because they will allegedly not serve women.
…
Lewis did not deny making those statements in a separate interview with KGTV after the meeting, saying, “I made those comments but not in that order,” arguing that they stemmed from complaints from other residents looking to qualify for the free lunch program.

“First time, they come over here, it doesn’t take them too long to learn where all the freebies are at,” Lewis says in the interview.

Meanwhile, Lewis can also be heard on the tape saying, “There’s lots of prostitutes in regards to the Middle Eastern community” and telling Gupta that the increasing number of Chaldeans had touched off drug-related tension among three different minority communities.

“The Mexican community feels intimidated, in regards to Chaldeans trying to get into their turf, in regards to selling drugs,” Lewis says. “Same as the Black Africans, Black Americans.”

For point of reference, El Cajon is represented by Duncan Hunter and is the home of Jim Garlow’s Skyline Megachurch. One of its bordering communities is Santee, known as Klantee to many of the locals.

88 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:28:09pm

re: #87 Kragar

As most people who live in San Diego ought to know by now, there is a large Iraqi immigrant population that has been resettled into the county, with a large concentration in El Cajon.

And, as any long time resident ought to be able to testify, El Cajon is a quite a town in conflicting demographies. This is the area which brought us Duncan Hunter, and now Duncan the Lesser. It’s the home of many fundamentalists and the region is dotted with SoCon super churches. It’s also an area with lots of poor people.

The whole area is ” replete with stereotype-driven opinions”.

89 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:32:36pm

re: #87 Kragar

This area is also the original home of ICR, before it moved to Texastan, and Santee still has a small creationist “museum”.

90 calochortus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:34:29pm

re: #88 freetoken

The exception to the Coast: liberal, Inland: conservative pattern which exists elsewhere in the state.

91 calochortus  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:40:27pm

And with that, Hasta Mañana, lizards.

92 HoosierHoops  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:42:19pm

I’m watching one of the most amazing movies placed on film..Just effening unreal. awesome footage..I don’t know why..But it caught my eye..
A movie called Trader Horn filmed in Africa in 1930 and released in 31. The first movie filmed in Africa and everyone was completely innocent to the world..The footage is just mind blowing..They went through 14000 miles of Africa with the star ( Harry Carey ) bragging the whole time that he was a great white man in Africa..The credits included 4 great white hunters who made it all possible. One was an Army Major..You just can’t make this shit up
.( Guess they shot a lot of animals during filming )
The film is so amazing..
So more than 80 years ago..
1.) It was ok to show numerous black girls and ladies running around with no clothes on..It was awesome.. But there is no white women running around With their boobies floppy around. Nor sir, Edwina Booth always played the straight white woman with lots of jungle gear on..Groan
2.) There was a Black girl ( Swear to God ) Making corn rows in some guys hair. I couldn’t believe it..Hey it was filmed in 1930.
3.) Amazing footage of Africa..The nature scenes blew my mind,,So Wild and pure..The people were so much different..And yet so much the same.
Giggling African teens on camera was priceless..

93 klys  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:46:09pm

re: #90 calochortus

The exception to the Coast: liberal, Inland: conservative pattern which exists elsewhere in the state.

Well, the Coast minus Orange County.

94 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:47:25pm

re: #93 klys

Behind the orange curtain!

95 klys  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:49:05pm

re: #94 Dancing along the light of day

Behind the orange curtain!

Orange contains red. Coincidence??? I THINK NOT!!!

/crochets more on the scarf

96 klys  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 9:57:50pm

re: #95 klys

Orange contains red. Coincidence??? I THINK NOT!!!

/crochets more on the scarf

/the scarf is orange.

97 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 11:02:28pm

MP3 Audio

98 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 11:16:18pm

California to limit pepper spray use on mentally ill inmates

Next thing you know they’ll do away with the cattle prods.

99 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 11:20:58pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

You’re telling me. The guy pepper sprays a bunch of college kids and he claims he was harmed? Must be nice.

There is something to be learned here: The pepper spray was high-profile bullshit, the death threats against the perp cop were also unwarranted, just lower in profile. The Internet memes were not.

100 Lidane  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 11:55:55pm
101 freetoken  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 12:02:58am

Hypothetical question: assuming through DNA engineering and/or cellular level rejuvination one could extend one’s life for an arbitrary period, for how long would you like to live?

102 freetoken  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 12:06:43am

To help you contemplate that, here is a work of Georgy Sviridov, an arrangement of a poem by Alexander Blok, “Timeless”.

MP3 Audio

103 Lidane  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 12:14:09am
104 dell*nix  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 12:14:44am

re: #101 freetoken

Depends on mental health improvements, what age one could be rewound to and how slow one would age. Emotional burnout/stability would be a factor. My present age is 66 with a heavy dose of Si-Fi reading.

105 Lidane  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 12:19:37am

re: #101 freetoken

Hypothetical question: assuming through DNA engineering and/or cellular level rejuvination one could extend one’s life for an arbitrary period, for how long would you like to live?

I’m 40 now. Assuming that the DNA engineering and/or cellular rejuvination would cure any diseases and leave me with the ability to be active and enjoy that extended lifespan, I’d take an extra 50-100 years beyond whatever my natural life expectancy would be.

The way I see it, why not? It would be fascinating to see how society and technology continue to evolve over a second lifetime. So much has changed in just the last 20 years that I’m really curious to see where it would all go from here.

106 dell*nix  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 12:21:35am

re: #105 Lidane

Hopefully with a lot, lot less derp. :)

107 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 12:39:34am

re: #101 freetoken

Hypothetical question: assuming through DNA engineering and/or cellular level rejuvination one could extend one’s life for an arbitrary period, for how long would you like to live?

and how? I would not like to spend my last decades as an extended septuagenerian. If I could go back to my days when I was young and strapping, that could go on forever…

108 freetoken  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 12:42:42am

Heres to a derp-less future:

Horowitz:

MP3 Audio

109 freetoken  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 1:27:10am

I wish we had a leader like this today:

MP3 Audio

110 freetoken  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 1:29:06am

That was 78 years ago, so why do we have to fight these fights all over again?

111 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 1:37:56am

re: #110 freetoken

That was 78 years ago, so why do we have to fight these fights all over again?

The Civil War was 150 years ago…why is that fight still going on in so many minds?

112 freetoken  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 3:03:19am

MP3 Audio

113 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 3:21:08am

re: #111 Sol Berdinowitz

The Civil War was 150 years ago…why is that fight still going on in so many minds?

Word-of-mouth historical revisionism, especially within families that had an ancestor die in the war, or whose fortunes turned for the worse after the war, or just never accepted the idea that slavery was once and for all a thing of the past.

There are some folks in the South who still hate us Yankees, much as some Chinese hate the Japanese. It’s visceral and defies logic.

114 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 3:22:51am

re: #104 dell*nix

Depends on mental health improvements, what age one could be rewound to and how slow one would age. Emotional burnout/stability would be a factor. My present age is 66 with a heavy dose of Si-Fi reading.

You’re absolutely right about mental health issues. And it would depend also on socio-economic improvements and opportunities. I don’t see those factors improving as quickly as science can discover cures for the body, etc.

I don’t think a lot of thought goes into all that life extension BS since it’s mostly men, mostly white, who are the pushers of this kind of idealism. Individual circumstances enter into all aspects of life, and the best laid plans. My present age is 72 and I’m raising a 3 yr old child w/my grandson. This is the 4th generation (including myself) that I’ve raised, or helped to raise. When I was a young teen, I wanted a college education and a career, a pretty tall order for a motherless, working class girl with a distant and ignorant father, unheard of at the time. I got neither, of course, but I’ve had plenty of happiness.

It’s all very brave new worldish, in a lot of ways.

115 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 4:10:46am

It’s cold.

116 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 4:11:22am

re: #115 Varek Raith

It’s cold.

yep.

117 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 4:19:58am

34 deg here; supposed to be 28 tomorrow am. Brrrr! We’ll probably get a light frost here in NC.

118 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 4:22:13am

Screw it, I’m going to summon a volcano in my neighbor’s yard.

119 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 4:25:57am

Is this part of the brave new world, too?

The Japanese men who prefer virtual girlfriends to sex

bbc.co.uk

How many American men prefer watching porn to developing real relationships with women?

120 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 4:29:31am

My grandson just came in and wanted my keys so he could get the ice scraper out of my car to scrape his windshield, so we won’t have to wait for a frost tonight, it seems.

121 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 4:35:31am

In more gun news, was he just trying to get them out of his house, or did he intend harm to others?

11-year-old accused of bringing gun and 400 rounds of ammo to school

cnn.com

I despise how this makes me feel.

122 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 4:37:14am

DERP DERP

123 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 4:38:06am

The Constitution has NOTHING to say about government assistance programs, although Bryan would probably like to introduce an amendment to ban them.

124 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 4:39:36am

“Not yet” sounds promising…

125 Flounder  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 4:52:46am

Yay or nay?Image: Jarhead_Cover.jpg
Its called the Dan Daly Hat, possible replacement for the Marines cover.
en.wikipedia.org
Good morning, history lesson is over. Time for recess!

126 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 4:59:54am

re: #125 Flounder

Yay or nay?Image: Jarhead_Cover.jpg
Its called the Dan Daly Hat, possible replacement for the Marines cover.
en.wikipedia.org
Good morning, history lesson is over. Time for recess!

Looks like a Foreign Legion Kepi.

127 Flounder  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:01:37am

Thank you Congress:

It’s common to blame others for our failures.
And the government shutdown will be the mother of all excuses for any company that doesn’t live up to expectations in the months ahead.

nypost.com

Later in the article John explains the unemployment number may tick up due to the shut down as well.

128 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:04:06am

re: #125 Flounder

Yay or nay?Image: Jarhead_Cover.jpg
Its called the Dan Daly Hat, possible replacement for the Marines cover.
en.wikipedia.org
Good morning, history lesson is over. Time for recess!

Mox nix. It’s not the hat, but who’s under it.

129 Flounder  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:07:55am

re: #128 Decatur Deb

I would rather have magic underwear, speaking of which:
nypost.com

Mittens gets a new mansion.

130 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:08:17am

re: #128 Decatur Deb

Mox nix. It’s not the hat, but who’s under it.

I think we should strongly return to cravats.

131 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:11:53am

re: #130 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I think we should strongly return to cravats.

Craven Cravat Corps? Nah.

132 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:14:05am

re: #129 Flounder

I would rather have magic underwear, speaking of which:
nypost.com

Mittens gets a new mansion.

Secret room? BS, It’s just Rafalca’s dance studio.

133 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:16:30am

I expect wingnuts to co-opt this picture and use it in their Tweets OMG WHAT OBAMACARE WILL DO TO AMERICA!!!!11!!!!!

134 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:21:50am

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Craven Cravat Corps? Nah.

The Croat Corps, Creators of the Cravat, you Certainly Couldn’t Call Craven. Cravatted and Crude, their Capabilties as Curassiers and Coursers was Completely Created by Conquest.

Image: 30ycrhus.jpg

135 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:22:55am

re: #134 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

InCredible.

136 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:22:59am

re: #134 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The Croat Corps, Creators of the Cravat, you Certainly Couldn’t Call Craven. Cravatted and Crude, their Capabilties as Curassiers and Coursers was Completely Created by Conquest.

Image: 30ycrhus.jpg

Characters who Contrived Clara’s Clapper Caper

137 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:24:08am

Canine Constitutional Calling—BBL.

138 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:24:53am

re: #1 Stanley Sea

Well holy shit.

[Embedded content]

What the hell?!!

I’m going to have to come back as a White male the next time around.

139 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:27:50am

re: #133 Vicious Babushka

I expect wingnuts to co-opt this picture and use it in their Tweets OMG WHAT OBAMACARE WILL DO TO AMERICA!!!!11!!!!!

[Embedded content]

I wonder if that’s the edited version where Stalin required that the multiple looted watches on the soldiers arm be covered up since the Red Army didn’t do that kind of thing (roll-eyes) I suppose I could look at it and see …

140 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:27:55am

Well, at least he didn’t kill his son.

Party on: Maryland attorney general doesn’t stop underage alcohol party; what would you do?

pennlive.com

“The celebration in a rented South Bethany home included underage participants, many of which were later confirmed to have been drinking alcohol, according to media reports. Tell-tale red cups, typical of beer parties, were a plenty in photos of the house party. Gansler had apparently stopped by the house to talk to his teen-age son, leaving soon after his photo was snapped by a partier.

“And Gansler’s response to all of this?

“Basically, the attorney general who is now running for governor of the state has shrugged and said it wasn’t his party, according to media reports. Therefore, it was not his responsibility as a parent or a high-ranking law enforcement official to intervene, Gansler has told the media.”

I think it’s pretty ridiculous that 18 yr olds can’t buy beer in the US, where in almost every other country in the world (except those ruled by Sharia law) 18 is the standard age, and even 16 and 17 yr olds can drink if an adult purchases it.

This is just one of those “gotcha” moments in American politics. Will we ever outlive our Puritan past and moralistic bullshit?

141 sagehen  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:28:07am

are your political beliefs genetic?

The test scores then sat in the vault for the next two decades, while the children from the study went their separate ways in life. They grew up, completed their educations, and turned into young adults. After 20 years had passed, the Blocks succeeded in tracking down 95 of their original 128 subjects, in the hope of measuring how liberal or conservative each of them had become.

the article also discusses a twins raised separately study, and an MRI-based study…

142 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:31:28am

re: #140 Justanotherhuman

I have always thought that 3.2 beer for 16 year olds, with full drinking privilages at 18 made more sense.

I recall getting back stateside a week before my 21st birthday and being denied a glass of wine at a restaurant in Kansas even though I’d been in the army and could legally drink (back then) at 18 in my home state of Wisconsin. It was one of the most idiotic things I ever ran into.

143 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:47:37am

re: #68 Single-handed sailor

Issa’s seat is one of the ones susceptible to Democratic take over in 2014. I wonder if that has any bearing on his immigration bill.

That’s good to know. He needs to be replaced with a Dem.


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