Republicans, Sensing Weakness in Health Law Rollout, Switch Tactics

GOP calls for a Halloween Health Care Witch Hunt, with an eye towards burning Sebelius
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Quick! Bring out the Darrell! We need a Congressional Investigation to distract the feeble minded public from our failure!

Darrell trolls ahead of his coming “investigation”:

Or as Greg Sargent puts it, after their post government shutdown over Obamacare fail they’ve pivoted from Obamacare to… Obamacare:

Emboldened by the intense public criticism surrounding the rollout of the online insurance exchange, Republicans in Congress are refocusing their efforts from denying funds for the health care law to investigating it.

In changing tactics, Republicans hope to tamp down the continuing public criticism of their previously fruitless attack on the Affordable Care Act, one that led to a 16-day government shutdown, by focusing on the problems with the law that they say they have warned the nation about, unheeded, for three years.

“I think the biggest part of Congress’s job is to provide proper oversight of the executive branch of government,” Speaker John A. Boehner said Wednesday at a news conference. “And when it comes to Obamacare, clearly there is an awful lot that needs to be held accountable.”

Beginning Thursday, the House will hold the first of a series of hearings across multiple committees to examine the problems with the troubled Web site, as well as the law’s exemption and waiver components, and the problems that some consumers are having accessing their doctors through the program.

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309 comments
1 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:33:16am

yes, it worked so well the last time(s)…
::eyeroll::

2 A Mom Anon  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:37:36am

But this time there’s cat pictures!
A website isn’t working to full capacity. This needs a federal level investigation how? Helps fix the issue exactly how?

These fuckers NEVER have an actual solution to anything. EVER.

3 b.d.  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:41:54am
Emboldened by the intense public criticism

Coming from the same folks who have always been screaming about Obamacare and led them down this primrose path once before. I listened to their press conference yesterday and was astonished to hear the same exact stuff that I heard 4 weeks ago.

4 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:42:12am

The only reasonable response is, “These issues would be fixed if the GOP allowed the government to operate this month.”

5 Flounder  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:43:12am

So we should just accept this website from Canadian programmers while there are starving programmers here at home?!

6 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:44:06am

The hats are lame but come on.

7 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:45:36am

re: #6 Vicious Babushka

The hats are lame but come on.

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well, you know, girly hats lead directly to forced Marine gay marriage…

8 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:47:40am

THEIR IS MOAR DERP

Make up your minds, wingnuts. You say HURR HURR ABOLISH FOOD STAMPZ FOR TEH MOOCHERS!!!1!!!! and now WND is fapping a conspiracy HURR HURR OBAMA WANTS TO TAKE AWAY UR FOOD STAMPS!!!!1!!!!!

9 Flounder  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:50:11am

dammit, my co-workers sausage smells good! I gotta get outta here.

10 BusyMonster  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:51:22am

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

THEIR IS MOAR DERP

Make up your minds, wingnuts. You say HURR HURR ABOLISH FOOD STAMPZ FOR TEH MOOCHERS!!!1!!!! and now WND is fapping a conspiracy HURR HURR OBAMA WANTS TO TAKE AWAY UR FOOD STAMPS!!!!1!!!!!

Jesus that takes the cake. I say that without any ironic intention.

Also came here to add: as long as it’s Darryl Issa on the job, I will sleep QUITE soundly at night knowing Obamacare is safe and sound. With his track record, the Obamacare website “scandal” will be a tired, hollowed-out BORING talking point in no time.

11 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:51:34am

It’s really a sad state of affairs in this country when a minority can treat a sitting President of the United States with such hate and contempt, so much so that they consider him the “enemy”. Even over a law that “their” party helped to contrive, form and legislate federally.

And all because of their racism and reactionary political leanings, they prefer praising Vladimir Putin, a 16 yr veteran of the KGB and therefore, someone authoritarian enough they feel comfortable getting along with. Who’s next, Kim Jong-un?

12 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:55:06am

Of course, this just plays into the poll numbers which came out during the shutdown, showing that even amongst those who disagree with the law as-is, a majority support reform versus repeal. So again, all the GOP does by bringing focus on the sabotage they’ve done to the law is grant weight to Dem assertions that what the law needs is teeth.

13 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:00:36am

re: #6 Vicious Babushka

The hats are lame but come on.

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No shocka. The avatar is a reference to the ‘Molon Labe” crowd. Greentip 556 is a type of M16 ammo.

14 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:00:37am

re: #6 Vicious Babushka

The hats are lame but come on.

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Obama designed those hats himself.

Confirmed. FACT.
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15 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:01:34am

re: #14 makeitstop

Obama’S GAY BOYFRIEND designed those hats himself.

Confirmed. FACT.
/

Except if that was true, the hats would be FABULOUS.

16 sauceruney  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:02:40am

I’ve a feeling the investigation will turn up the same culprits as those behind voter fraud, and who were ultimately responsible for the situation in Benghazi… Republicans.

17 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:05:10am

re: #6 Vicious Babushka

The hats are lame but come on.

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Oh, for pity’s sake. As I mentioned downstairs, they look more like Foreign Legion Kepi’s than anything and they are a throwback to an older uniform as well.

I can’t speak for the Marines, but I do like the new blue class A uniform the Army is issuing. Harkens back all the way to the Blue Coats we started with through the Union Blue of the Civil War. A good reminder of who won that time, sez I.

18 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:06:09am

re: #13 Decatur Deb

No shocka. The avatar is a reference to the ‘Molon Labe” crowd. Greentip 556 is a type of M16 ammo.

The real cancer is that there are idiots out there who think that slave state of Sparta and it’s Moron Label is worth emulating.

19 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:06:13am


No one should be surprised by any of this. The GOP is going to say and do anything to attempt to gain political advantage. That means even pivoting from actively sabotaging the implementation, including states waiting until the last minute to decide against building their own exchanges (hey, what about states’ rights?) and hoping that the weight of the last minute decisions brings down the website rollout. The last minute decisions definitely played a role, as did the GOP shutdown, which left officials scrambling for ways to fix the site without violating the Anti Deficiency Act and other laws, and so too did the refusal to provide sufficient funds to make sure that the rollout went smoothly when the HHS said that more funds were needed.

The GOP wants everyone to ignore their own actions when claiming that the ACA website and the ACA in general is a failure. But when their solutions are delay/defund/destroy and hold hearings to hear themselves yammer endlessly about the problems they helped inflict, the only thing people need to realize is that this is all being done by the GOP out of fear that the program will be far more successful than any of them could envision, and that the effect on the economy wont be anything near what they and rest of the detractors claim.

That’s not to say that the Administration was blameless - there do appear to be problems with how the project was overseen by HHS and that there wasn’t sufficient interaction between the various parties involved in each facet of the exchange website creation. It contributed to the teething problems, but these are solvable.

The GOP’s obstructionism isn’t.

20 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:06:15am

re: #16 sauceruney

I’ve a feeling the investigation will turn up the same culprits as those behind voter fraud, and who were ultimately responsible for the situation in Benghazi… Republicans.

Issa will do as he did with Benghazi and “Fast & Furious” before it: Only call those witnesses he knows will pin the blame on Democrats or whose credibility he can call into question when they accuse Republicans of being at the root of any of the law’s problems.

21 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:06:43am

re: #6 Vicious Babushka

The hats are lame but come on.

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What, no turbans? That is lame. He could’ve at least suggested a fez. //

22 b.d.  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:07:07am

re: #6 Vicious Babushka

The hats are lame but come on.

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OBAMA IS CHANGING THOSE HATS SO THEY WON’T GET DIRTY WHEN OBAMA MAKES THE MARINES BOW TOWARDS MECCA 5X A DAY!!1!!

23 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:08:33am

re: #18 William Barnett-Lewis

The real cancer is that there are idiots out there who think that slave state of Sparta and it’s Moron Label is worth emulating.

“Once a slave state, always a slave state.” Trying hard not to make that true.

24 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:08:38am

re: #21 CuriousLurker

What, no turbans? That is lame. He could’ve at least suggested a fez. //

Fez’s kick ass.

25 sagehen  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:08:44am

re: #21 CuriousLurker

What, no turbans? That is lame. He could’ve at least suggested a fez. //

Fezes are cool.

Image: FEZ-2-the-eleventh-doctor-24144803-960-640.png

26 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:10:37am

re: #21 CuriousLurker

What, no turbans? That is lame. He could’ve at least suggested a fez. //

Fez was US army issue for many units in 1861.

Image: 526px-Winslow_Homer_-_The_Brierwood_Pipe.jpg

27 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:12:04am

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Fez was US army issue for many units in 1861.

Image: 526px-Winslow_Homer_-_The_Brierwood_Pipe.jpg

I don’t think that was standard issue—Zouave regiments provided their own distinctive uniforms.

28 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:12:49am

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

I don’t think that was standard issue—Zouave regiments provided their own distinctive uniforms.

“Regulation” would have been a better term.

en.wikipedia.org

29 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:14:46am

re: #25 sagehen

Fezes are cool.

Image: FEZ-2-the-eleventh-doctor-24144803-960-640.png

Fezzes are cooler when worn by a kitteh with a bow tie…

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30 darthstar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:16:42am

Mornin’ everyone. During the shutdown I joked that Issa only said he was willing to open the government so he could get back to holding hearings…looks like I spoke too soon.

My hope is that Sebelius just gives one-word answers (or one sentence answers) to all of their questions.

GOP committee guy 1: [3 minute proclamation speech for the cameras leading into the question] Can you explain how the web site had such a terrible start?

Sebelius: No.

GOP committee guy 2: [4 minute proclamation speech for the cameras leading into the question] And as my time is almost up, I’ll repeat the previous question…Can you explain?

Sebelius: No.

Splodey heads across the table, except the Democrats who will chuckle.

31 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:16:58am

re: #18 William Barnett-Lewis

The real cancer is that there are idiots out there who think that slave state of Sparta and it’s Moron Label is worth emulating.

Few of them know what Sparta was really like. They think they know about Thermopylae, but they know nothing of the serf class of helots, half of whose crops belonged to the “full citizens”.

Nor do those who call out “Monon Labe!” know that the 300 were only part of 5000 hoplites assembled to block off the pass at Thermopylae. Leonidas was indeed the overall force commander, for Sparta did indeed have the best hoplites in Greece, but Thespe, Athens, and Thebes all sent more men to Thermopylae than did Sparta.

32 darthstar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:19:18am

Think Wizard of Oz

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33 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:20:40am

re: #30 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone. During the shutdown I joked that Issa only said he was willing to open the government so he could get back to holding hearings…looks like I spoke too soon.

My hope is that Sebelius just gives one-word answers (or one sentence answers) to all of their questions.

GOP committee guy 1: [3 minute proclamation speech for the cameras leading into the question] Can you explain how the web site had such a terrible start?

Sebelius: No.

GOP committee guy 2: [4 minute proclamation speech for the cameras leading into the question] And as my time is almost up, I’ll repeat the previous question…Can you explain?

Sebelius: No.

Splodey heads across the table, except the Democrats who will chuckle.

Better starting question: “How were the user specs decided on for healthcare.gov, and who was in charge of their implementation?”

34 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:21:05am

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

They also loved that stupid movie because some humans killed other humans.

The “battle” is everything—what prompts it is of no concern.

This is what they’ve really idealized—killing, which is the only way to achieve “victory”.

35 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:21:50am

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

re: #28 Decatur Deb

Heh, I never fail to learn something new whenever I come to LGF.

So far today: Zouaves of the American Civil War & Gun-jumpers—and it’s not even lunchtime yet.

Okay, time to get some work done. *sigh* BBL

36 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:22:37am

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Few of them know what Sparta was really like. They think they know about Thermopylae, but they know nothing of the serf class of helots, half of whose crops belonged to the “full citizens”.

Nor do those who call out “Monon Labe!” know that the 300 were only part of 5000 hoplites assembled to block off the pass at Thermopylae. Leonidas was indeed the overall force commander, for Sparta did indeed have the best hoplites in Greece, but Thespe, Athens, and Thebes all sent more men to Thermopylae than did Sparta.

Spartans had a better Public Affairs operation.

WWII joke:
“Why is an Army rifle squad 15 men and a Marine rifle squad 16?”
“Army squads don’t have a photographer.”

37 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:22:55am

How can you tell it’s election season? Simple, Democrats are once again losing their spines:

Democratic Congressman To Obama: ‘Man Up’ And Fire Someone For Obamacare Rollout

Yes, because we know that firing people over past scandals sated the GOP’s demands for blood and put the issues to rest.////

38 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:26:30am

So, does Angela Merkel have any reason or right to be any more outraged than say you or I about NSA cell metadata snooping? Nah, nothing outrage worthy right? Not a breach of trust just sensible counter terror work?

39 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:28:04am

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Who do you think you are? Herodotus?

Quit mixing facts in with my movie fantasies of Gerard Butler all lathered up and swinging a mean sword and carrying armor that isn’t from that period. /

40 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:28:13am

re: #38 Political Atheist

So, does Angela Merkel have any reason or right to be any more outraged than say you or about NSA cell metadata snooping? Nah, nothing outrage worthy right? Not a breach of trust just sensible counter terror work?

The NSA…spying on other countries? Shocker.////

41 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:30:26am

re: #40 Targetpractice

The NSA…spying on other countries? Shocker.////

That’s a close ally who has no reason to sweat metadata, or it’s a close ally who is right to be concerned about metadata.

42 b.d.  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:30:54am

Why would anyone want to know what Germany was up to? They learned their lesson after we kicked their Kaiser’s ass.

43 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:32:30am

re: #41 Political Atheist

That’s a close ally who has no reason to sweat metadata, or it’s a close ally who is right to be concerned about metadata.

It’s a foreign country we happen to be allied with. I don’t for a second fool myself into believing there’s some gentlemen’s rule that states that are allies do not spy upon each other.

44 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:33:10am

re: #42 b.d.

Hey if the situation was reversed, what should our reaction be?

45 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:34:14am

re: #43 Targetpractice

But hey it’s just meta data. Why is she concerned at all?

46 b.d.  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:34:51am

re: #44 Political Atheist

Shock? I’d like to think that we are not that naive.

47 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:35:28am

re: #46 b.d.

Not shock, but why react at all?

48 b.d.  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:35:39am

They call what we live in now the Information Age for a reason.

49 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:36:29am

re: #44 Political Atheist

Hey if the situation was reversed, what should our reaction be?

We would send a strongly-worded international gotcha letter. There’s a template for one in MicroSoft Word.

50 darthstar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:36:30am

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Better starting question: “How were the user specs decided on for healthcare.gov, and who was in charge of their implementation?”

Response: I do not recall.

Remember how pissed the Democrats got during their investigations of Bush cronies with that response?

51 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:36:48am

re: #45 Political Atheist

But hey it’s just meta data. Why is she concerned at all?

I’m assuming you have a point?

52 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:36:57am

re: #49 Decatur Deb

Why bother?

The point is some people assert have reason to not be so sanguine about the NSA. She has her reason, I have another. Relevance has not been proven.

53 b.d.  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:37:00am

re: #47 Political Atheist

Not shock, but why react at all?

Score cheap political points. No brainer for a politician.

We wouldn’t react because admitting that Germany tapped us would make our systems look vulnerable

54 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:37:06am

re: #38 Political Atheist

re: #40 Targetpractice

I just came back in to say I’m currently about 1/3 of the way through Enemies Within and I have to say I’m far more shocked & disgusted at what the NYPD decided it had the right to do than anything the NSA has done to date (at least the things that I’m aware of them doing).

55 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:37:39am

re: #52 Political Atheist

Why bother?

It’s the next step in the minuet.

56 darthstar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:39:47am

re: #53 b.d.

Score cheap political points. No brainer for a politician.

Cheap political points begin to look cheap after a while. Just wait until the holiday committee hearings get under way in the coming weeks.

57 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:39:54am


Watch the GOP pounce on this as proof that the ACA doesn’t work, and push for a further delay/repeal of the ACA.

What it indicates is that the GOP is going to remain stuck on destroying the ACA despite the fact that people are already signed up for their health care, and the scare stories proffered by the right don’t quite pass the smell test.

Claims that the ACA causes people to lose their insurance ignores that the policies being phased out are those that don’t meet new minimum coverages - that people will have better coverages than before, including preventative care. The right is doing everything possible to obfuscate the costs - comparing apples to baloney (not even apples to oranges). Or trotting out stories that don’t pass the smell test.

But with that right wing echo chamber in full metal wingnut mode, it’s hard to get through and counter the waves of bs coming from the right.

58 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:40:00am

re: #54 CuriousLurker

IMO each and every L.E, agency bears watching via a strict check and balance sy7stem. To me one does not impact the other. None get a free pass. Especially the ones that get to hide behind secret letters etc.

Added-In NY you would at least have standing to sue. Not against the NSA you don’t. To me that’s an important difference.

59 Stoatly  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:42:20am

re: #25 sagehen

Fezes are cool.

Youtube Video

61 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:45:24am

re: #41 Political Atheist

France and Germany (and Western Europe in general) are among the countries/regions that engage in more than their share of economic espionage - spying on businesses and industry to try and give their own industries an advantage. That spying includes those businesses and industries in the US.

The ONCIX Annual Report to Congress on Foreign Economic Collection and Industrial Espionage reports that almost 100 countries attempted to acquire sensitive technologies from the United States during 2004.2 The large number of countries involved in intelligence collection against the United States is one measure of the scope of the problem, but most are not major players. A relatively few key players consistently account for the lion’s share of the activity, and these are just as likely to be friends and allies of the United States as they are to be potential adversaries. They are countries that try to compete with the United States, either regionally or globally, in the development and sale of technology and/or military equipment.

According to Bruce Gebhardt, Deputy Director of the FBI, “we are seeing a rise in incidences of economic espionage. The increasing value of proprietary information and new technologies have combined to increase both the motives and the opportunities for these crimes. Theft of trade secrets and critical technologies is costing the U.S. economy upwards of $250 billion per year…. The players in the espionage game have diversified. The number of countries engaged in espionage against the U.S. has actually risen since the end of the Cold War, and we are not dealing exclusively with intelligence agents. Today, the threat can come from university students or business executives. According to one study, about 75 percent of economic espionage cases involve company insiders.”3

It’s not just China or Russia doing the spying. And there’s no reason to assume the UK or Iran or Israel or North Korea aren’t spying either. Every country does it - with their own interests involved and at stake. They aren’t going to necessarily have the technological means at their disposal that the US does, but they will do what they can with the resources they have.

Espionage covers the entire gamut from economic and industrial secrets to military movements and political decision making. All are key data points that policy makers in their home countries need to make decisions.

62 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:46:08am

My son & his wife are what you would call “olive-skinned, Mediterranean, swarthy,” my son gets extra scrutiny at airports and they have a blond child.

63 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:47:51am

re: #55 Decatur Deb
re: #61 lawhawk

It’s the next step in the minuet.

I find it more likely she is expressing a reasonable objection, and can not be characterized as a tool for the GOP as so many who object actually are or have been accused of.

Those who find all the concern about the NSA as GOP based or over wrought now have contrary evidence.

64 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:50:12am

Twitter Wingnuts are squealing some shit about the Westboro gang supposedly being “Obama voters” WTF

65 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:50:13am

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

That would require Issa to actually know something about the topic and that relies on facts not in evidence..

66 darthstar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:50:18am
67 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:50:31am

re: #61 lawhawk

The relevance matter is still unproven, merely asserted by insiders. Shaky legal ground. When or if the P.A. ever sunsets we may then admit to ourselves we really pretzel twisted the rules to make it happen.

68 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:50:56am

BBL

69 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:51:44am

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

Police return blonde child to swarthy Roma parents after DNA proves she is their natural child.

Lots of room for bad reporting there. There are Roma in Ireland, but there are also a lot of ‘gypsies’ who get severe local harassment who are not Roma. Some, in fact, seem to be a very old Irish population. No matter what the excuse, minorities catch more crap that the settled locals.

70 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:53:39am

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Few of them know what Sparta was really like. They think they know about Thermopylae, but they know nothing of the serf class of helots, half of whose crops belonged to the “full citizens”.

Nor do those who call out “Monon Labe!” know that the 300 were only part of 5000 hoplites assembled to block off the pass at Thermopylae. Leonidas was indeed the overall force commander, for Sparta did indeed have the best hoplites in Greece, but Thespe, Athens, and Thebes all sent more men to Thermopylae than did Sparta.

Yep. Nor do they have any understanding of the dynamics between the various city states much less between them and the Persian empire. Most of them would probably cheer on the Spartans in the Peloponnesian War because they destroyed Athens.

71 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:53:43am

re: #63 Political Atheist

I find it more likely she is expressing a reasonable objection, and can not be characterized as a tool for the GOP as so many who object actually are or have been accused of.

Those who find all the concern about the NSA as GOP based or over wrought now have contrary evidence.

Never thought it was RW panic. RW tends to love the authoritarian answer. The GG bunch are essentially libertarian moonbats eager to hug support wherever they get it.

72 darthstar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:53:57am

re: #65 William Barnett-Lewis

That would require Issa to actually know something about the topic and that relies on facts not in evidence..

In DF’s defense it was a better question, and probably will be better than any of the questions the Republicans actually ask. But it also isn’t something Sebelius would know (or should) - user specs? I’ve worked in the software industry for over 15 years…nobody writes user specs. I wish they would. It would make my team’s job easier.

73 darthstar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:55:25am
74 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:55:48am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

Twitter Wingnuts are squealing some shit about the Westboro gang supposedly being “Obama voters” WTF

Fred Phelps was once a Democrat Robert Byrd!! and did some legal/election work with them.

75 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:56:43am

re: #74 Decatur Deb

Fred Phelps was once a Democrat Robert Byrd!! and did some legal/election work with them.

ONCE A DEMOCRAT ALWAYS A DEMOCRAT!!!!1!!!1!!1!1 AND REPRESENTS ALL DEMOCRATS FOREVER!!11!!!!1!11

76 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:58:29am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

Twitter Wingnuts are squealing some shit about the Westboro gang supposedly being “Obama voters” WTF

Once upon a time, daddy Phelps was a Democrat. He’d have killed himself before voting for Obama though.

77 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 6:58:51am

re: #58 Political Atheist

IMO each and every L.E, agency bears watching via a strict check and balance sy7stem. To me one does not impact the other. None get a free pass. Especially the ones that get to hide behind secret letters etc.

I’ll say. The NYPD essentially created their own mini-CIA, but one completely free of any checks & balances. I followed the AP stuff written by the authors, but the book has details about how far-reaching the spying was that made me sick to my stomach.

The worst part is that it was utterly useless. It not only alienated & angered law-abiding members of the Muslim community in NYC—who are by far the vast majority and the most likely to be in a position to warn authorities if they spot something strange—but it failed to prevent/detect a single terrorist attack. IOW, it was a gigantic clusterf*** of #FAIL.

The book contains meticulous footnotes, which means the majority of what the authors wrote can be fact checked. It’s really disturbing. There are people who will say, “Yeah, but Muslims…” Uh-huh, right—today. What about tomorrow? Next year? This is not the first time the NYPD has overstepped, and I doubt it’ll be the last. Maybe next time it’ll be your group.

78 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:00:02am

re: #72 darthstar

In DF’s defense it was a better question, and probably will be better than any of the questions the Republicans actually ask. But it also isn’t something Sebelius would know (or should) - user specs? I’ve worked in the software industry for over 15 years…nobody writes user specs. I wish they would. It would make my team’s job easier.

Oh, I agree. Perhaps one of his aides will script something that intelligent for him to ask but if it’s left up to him, that won’t happen.

79 b.d.  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:00:40am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

ONCE A DEMOCRAT ALWAYS A DEMOCRAT!!!!1!!!1!!1!1 AND REPRESENTS ALL DEMOCRATS FOREVER!!11!!!!1!11

EXCEPT FOR ZELL MILLER, HE’S A MISBRANDED REPUBLICAN AND NOTHING LIKE DEMS NOW OR DEMS OF OLD!!1!

80 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:00:58am

re: #77 CuriousLurker

This is not new. NYPD had an anti-leftist intel/infiltrator unit in the ’60s. (Probably in the ’20s, as well.)

81 darthstar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:01:49am

German is surprisingly easy to follow, even if you don’t speak it.

And I like the term “Handy-Nummer”

82 sagehen  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:05:44am

re: #77 CuriousLurker

The worst part is that it was utterly useless. It not only alienated & angered law-abiding members of the Muslim community in NYC—who are by far the vast majority and the most likely to be in a position to warn authorities if they spot something strange—but it failed to prevent/detect a single terrorist attack. IOW, it was a gigantic clusterf*** of #FAIL.

More than that — it failed to even generate a single LEAD. Not a one. In ten years, they found absolutely zero suggestion of anything that required further investigation.

83 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:05:57am

re: #81 darthstar

German is surprisingly easy to follow, even if you don’t speak it.

And I like the term “Handy-Nummer”

I like the term “Walther von der Vogelweide Lieder”. Trips off the tongue.

Youtube Video

84 darthstar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:06:05am
85 sagehen  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:07:29am
86 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:08:01am

re: #80 Decatur Deb

This is not new. NYPD had an anti-leftist intel/infiltrator unit in the ’60s. (Probably in the ’20s, as well.)

Yep, it goes way, wayyyy back.

The highlighted part about the NYC Black Panthers almost made coffee shoot out my nose though:

In 1971 he was among the many lawyers working on the Panther 21 case, the trial of Black Panther Party members accused of conspiring to bomb police stations, businesses, and public buildings. While preparing their defense, the Law Commune attorneys came across something unusual: The case against the Panthers was built largely on the testimony of some of the earliest members of the New York chapter of the Black Panthers. There was Gene Roberts, a former security guard for Malcolm X who was present on February 21, 1965, when the Nation of Islam leader was assassinated in Manhattan’s Audubon Ballroom. There was Ralph White, the head of the Panther unit in the Bronx who’d once represented the entire New York chapter at a black power conference in Philadelphia. And there was Carlos Ashwood, who’d sold Panther literature in Harlem.

They were founding fathers of the New York Panthers. And all three, it turned out, were undercover detectives. The NYPD had essentially set up the New York chapter of the Black Panther Party and built files on everyone who signed up. […]

businessinsider.com

87 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:08:14am

OMG! the Fox News Barbies are OUTRAGED! OUTRAGED I tell you. All the money spent on the website that doesn’t work. Sebelius needs to be fired, FIRED! And the deficit is sky high, it’s moon, astronaught high. GOP might have the votes to delay the ACA implementation.

Just thought I’d give you the update.

you?

88 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:09:08am

Another Moran who refuses to go to the exchanges, and who does not know what “single payer” is

89 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:11:29am

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

Another Moran who refuses to go to the exchanges, and who does not know what “single payer” is

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Whatever tis, it will destroy the Republic!

90 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:11:43am

re: #86 CuriousLurker

Yep, it goes way, wayyyy back.

The highlighted part about the NYC Black Panthers almost made coffee shoot out my nose though:

Fuck!

91 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:13:20am

re: #86 CuriousLurker

A year or so before Pearl Harbor, the combined NYC police forces were larger than the US Army. True Fact.

92 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:13:31am

re: #89 FemNaziBitch

Whatever tis, it will destroy the Republic!

THIS IS THE GOAL OF OBAMACARE!!!1!!!1!!

93 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:15:22am

re: #87 FemNaziBitch

OMG! the Fox News Barbies are OUTRAGED! OUTRAGED I tell you. All the money spent on the website that doesn’t work. Sebelius needs to be fired, FIRED! And the deficit is sky high, it’s moon, astronaught high. GOP might have the votes to delay the ACA implementation.

Just thought I’d give you the update.

you?

Delay implementation? Not a chance. The most they’re likely to get is the suggestion going around about extending the enrollment period.

94 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:15:54am

re: #65 William Barnett-Lewis

That would require Issa to actually know something about the topic and that relies on facts not in evidence..

Issa never met a topic about which he didn’t want a Congressional Investigation initiated.

95 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:15:55am

re: #86 CuriousLurker

Yep, it goes way, wayyyy back.

The highlighted part about the NYC Black Panthers almost made coffee shoot out my nose though:

We don’t speak of the ’60s as “way, wayyyy back”.

96 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:16:40am

re: #95 Decatur Deb

We don’t speak of the ’60s as “way, wayyyy back”.

Thank you

97 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:16:40am

re: #92 Vicious Babushka

It’s a little-known fact that the Soviets’ first act after that moment was giving all East Germans access to the private healthcare market.

98 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:18:09am

Daily Cuteness Kitteh!

And, how I feel about the Whackos

99 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:18:30am

re: #73 darthstar

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I’ll bet you more than anything, her number was in their database pre-2009.

100 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:20:32am

re: #82 sagehen

More than that — it failed to even generate a single LEAD. Not a one. In ten years, they found absolutely zero suggestion of anything that required further investigation.

Exactly. The book starts out with a nail-biting description of the FBI tailing Najibullah Zazi from Colorado to NYC to try to figure out exactly what he was up to and stop him, then it stops and goes into detailed descriptions of the NYPD spying, the dynamics of the Afghan community, the backstory of Zazi & his pals, etc.

Then, when it swings back to the FBI chase, you learn that despite all their spying the NYPD had squat to help them understand what these asshats were planning to do. That said, I’m sure they could’ve told the FBI which mosque they went to & how often, who their barber probably was, and where they most likely ate kabob—that would’ve undoubtedly been a HUGE help. //

101 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:21:46am

GLENN GREENWALD THIS INCLUDES YOU!

103 Interesting Times  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:22:59am

MUST-SEE:

Jon Stewart to financial TV reporters: f*ck all y’all.

Videos as well as transcripts at the link, proving CNBC and its worthless, digustingly overpaid pundits are just as dishonest and hypocritical as their fox “news” counterparts.

104 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:23:33am

re: #95 Decatur Deb

We don’t speak of the ’60s as “way, wayyyy back”.

Heh, I didn’t mean the ’60s were wayyyy back (that’s when I was born). IIRC, it went back to around the turn of the (19th-to-20th) century, if not a bit earlier (I have to look it up).

105 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:24:50am

re: #104 CuriousLurker

Heh, I didn’t mean the ’60s were wayyyy back (that’s when I was born). IIRC, it went back to around the turn of the (19th-to-20th) century, if not a bit earlier (I have to look it up).

That’s when my kids were born. You’re not gaining, here.

106 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:25:36am

I’m going to smile all day now.

107 CuriousLurker  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:25:49am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

That’s when my kids were born. You’re not gaining, here.

Oh, shoot. //

108 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:25:52am

Are the geezers complaining about feeling old again?

/*ducks*

109 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:27:42am

I don’t think the GOP is going to find any traction with hearings about a poor website roll-out beyond their usual base that is simply looking for the outrage of the day. The computer savvy, or people with worldly experience in general, are all familiar with websites or other new enterprises having roll-out issues and bugs.

Annoying, yes. But not worth nuking the whole thing over.

And to some it’s just more GOP “Chicken Little” behavior of screaming about the sky falling and running around without acting like a mature political party and offering solutions or alternatives.

110 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:28:09am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

That’s when my kids were born. You’re not gaining, here.

“Sherman set the WABAC machine for the early Neolithic - say 1965”

111 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:29:15am

Another Moran who refused to visit the exchanges:

112 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:30:06am

re: #109 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t think the GOP is going to find any traction with hearings about a poor website roll-out beyond their usual base that is simply looking for the outrage of the day. The computer savvy, or people with worldly experience in general, are all familiar with websites or other new enterprises having roll-out issues and bugs.

Annoying, yes. But not worth nuking the whole thing over.

And to some it’s just more GOP “Chicken Little” behavior of screaming about the sky falling and running around without acting like a mature political party and offering solutions or alternatives.

I’ve decided the Fox News Crew has the Alzheimer’s Units across the country as their target market. They repeat the same thing day-after-day … and it’s obviously not meant for anyone who has a clue.

113 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:31:02am

Good morning Lizards. Clear and cool today in Philadelphia this morning. If it rained at all it did it under cover of darkness.

Things are a bit blurry today*. That means I forgot my reading glasses at home. :(

Time to adjust the screen resolution to “geezer” and muddle through until lunch time.

* - Blurry in the 6-24” range. Beyond that I can see things fine. It looks a bit weird to co-workers when I park my chair three feet from my monitor and put the keyboard on my lap.

114 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:32:21am

still sick. I’m going to snuggle with puppies under the covers and f ind some mindless movie to watch.

Have a good one all!

115 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:33:12am

#InsuranceCanceled is the hashtag for morans who REFUSE TO VISIT THE EXCHANGES.

116 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:38:07am

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

Comparing premium from 2010 to now? 3 years of intervening cost hikes (because premiums have been going up year over year for decades - going back to the 1990s was the impetus for the original Hillarycare health care proposals and the Heritage-backed individual mandate that the GOP proffered as alternatives.

IOW, that cost difference appears entirely unrelated to the ACA - and baked into the premiums this person claims.

But then again, without knowing this person’s income, costs, deductibles, etc., it’s hard to say exactly what is really going on.

Same thing with all the other so-called horror stories.

Oh, and the letter this person got has the exact language - this person isn’t losing coverage. They’re moving to a new plan that meets the PPACA requirements. IOW, they’re getting more preventative care, including free mammograms for the mrs., preventative care for the kids, free physicals for dad, and coverage for dependents up to age 26 and no worried about preexisting conditions.

117 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:40:13am

re: #116 lawhawk

These idiots are determined to avoid the exchanges, have NO INSURANCE and PAY THE PENALTY just in order to have something to bitch about.

118 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:41:51am

HURR HURR DEMOCRATZ IS ALWAYS TEH SAME AS THEY WAS 150 YEARS AGO & NOW & FOREVER BECAUS NOBODY CAN EVER CHANGE AT ALL EVER!!!!1!!!1!!!!!!!

119 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:43:54am

re: #109 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t think the GOP is going to find any traction with hearings about a poor website roll-out beyond their usual base that is simply looking for the outrage of the day. The computer savvy, or people with worldly experience in general, are all familiar with websites or other new enterprises having roll-out issues and bugs.

Annoying, yes. But not worth nuking the whole thing over.

And to some it’s just more GOP “Chicken Little” behavior of screaming about the sky falling and running around without acting like a mature political party and offering solutions or alternatives.

But they will be right out there on the twitters and other social media bitching about it as soon as the newest Windows service pack has finished installing on their machine.

120 sagehen  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:44:21am

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR DEMOCRATZ IS ALWAYS TEH SAME AS THEY WAS 150 YEARS AGO & NOW & FOREVER BECAUS NOBODY CAN EVER CHANGE AT ALL EVER!!!!1!!!1!!!!!!!

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and I’ll bet Republicans wanting to use that same poster today… don’t understand why anybody’s complaining about the picture they’ve chosen.

121 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:45:32am

re: #117 Vicious Babushka

If the person is in Kentucky, just go to Kynect. It’s quite good, the website is robust, and is enrolling people rather easily.

Spoiler

Of course, Kynect is the Kentucky ACA health exchange, but everyone who has carried out polling has found that when you strip the ACA of the "ACA" or "Obamacare" moniker, the approvals go up significantly. All that extra baggage comes courtesy of the GOP.

122 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:47:10am

re: #121 lawhawk

If the person is in Kentucky, just go to Kynect. It’s quite good, the website is robust, and is enrolling people rather easily.

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Kentucky—Governor not an idiot.

Alabama—Governor an MD of the TPGOP persuasion.

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:49:21am

re: #121 lawhawk

If the person is in Kentucky, just go to Kynect. It’s quite good, the website is robust, and is enrolling people rather easily.

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And, the Kynect website was set up by the same company that did healthcare.gov.
I guess the difference is that Kentucky had been working on it for months and months before the big day, so except for the server overload crash for a couple of hours that first morning it’s been working just fine.

124 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:53:20am

Then there’s Rand Paul’s take on Kynect:


Sen. Paul: ‘Kynect numbers doesn’t mean the program is a success’

So far, Governor Steve Beshear says more than 300,000 people have visited the website and more than 30,000 applications for healthcare are completed.

On average, since October 1, more than 1,000 applications have been received a day.

Senator Paul says those numbers don’t mean the program is quite the success Governor Beshear claimed it to be on national television earlier this week.

“If I put up a website up and say we have free cars, sign up for free cars, would that be a success? Everybody in Kentucky wants a free car, don’t they? So it’s not a success because people are signing up for it. It would be a success if you can pay for it,” he said.

125 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:54:40am

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

Then there’s Rand Paul’s take on Kynect:


Sen. Paul: ‘Kynect numbers doesn’t mean the program is a success’

ATTN RAND PAUL:

Signing up to buy health insurance is not the same as getting a free car.

126 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:56:50am

Rand Paul apparently thinks KYnect is offering FREE HEALTHCARE AND DOCTORS WON’T GET PAID AND HOSPITALS WILL GO OUT OF BUSINESS AND TEH ONLY DOCTORS WILL BE THOSE BROWN PEOPLE WHO SPEAK ENGLISH FUNNY!!!1!!1!!!

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:57:13am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

ATTN RAND PAUL:

Signing up to buy health insurance is not the same as getting a free car.

He makes my head hurt.
A lot…

128 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:59:10am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

He makes my head hurt.
A lot…

All that facepalming and headdesking will do that.

129 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:00:40am

Oh look! Kynect is creating jobs!

Kynect Keeps Local Insurance Agency Busy

McCay says the demand for help led the agency to add more staff, many who are training to become agents themselves.

130 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:03:32am

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh look! Kynect is creating jobs!

Kynect Keeps Local Insurance Agency Busy

Yep, far from being a job killer, I think Obamacare is going to help stimulate the economy. Just the Medicaid expansion alone will send billions of dollars to the states with sense enough to accept it.

131 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:04:50am

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

And that’s the secret problem with Obamacare: there’s no way to pay for it. Oh wait….

/

132 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:06:03am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

He makes my head hurt.
A lot…

I’m hoping in ‘16 he doesn’t run for re-election so he can concentrate on his presidential race. But he’ll probably run for both like his daddy did.

133 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:06:08am

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

Feel better!

134 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:07:11am

re: #122 Decatur Deb

Kentucky—Governor not an idiot.

Alabama—Governor an MD of the TPGOP persuasion.

Beshear has made up for his support of the “Ark Park.”

135 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:08:29am

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

False Flag!!11

136 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:09:50am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

You know who else was once a Democrat?

Saint Reagan.

137 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:10:03am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

ONCE A DEMOCRAT ALWAYS A DEMOCRAT!!!!1!!!1!!1!1 AND REPRESENTS ALL DEMOCRATS FOREVER!!11!!!!1!11

Unless you’re Strom Thurmond.

138 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:17:05am

My android email just stopped working.

139 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:17:10am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

Even though Obomo is teh gay and ushering in Shariah Law. Yeah, OK. //

140 Jay C  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:20:52am

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

Issa never met a topic about which he didn’t want a Congressional Investigation initiated.

Somehow, the fact that he has had to resort to using LOLcats to make his “point” on the current topic tells me he’s really scraping the barrel…

141 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:22:17am

re: #138 Vicious Babushka

My android email just stopped working.

Time for Congress to demand hearings!

142 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:27:56am

I guess the Republicans just can’t figure out what they are doing now to nitpick the ACA problems isn’t really seen as helpful which means it isn’t all that different from what they’ve been doing that drives down their support and backing from the U.S. public.

Negative is still negative. Issa is still Issa.

They just can’t help themselves, it seems to be all they know. I hope they don’t think their polling numbers and job ratings are going up any time soon. Maybe in the 2014 elections U.S. voters will help them find their way…out of office where maybe they can learn to do something positive with their lives.

143 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:28:03am

re: #141 lawhawk

Time for Congress to demand hearings!

I just deleted the app and reinstalled it.

144 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:28:16am

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh look! Kynect is creating jobs!

Kynect Keeps Local Insurance Agency Busy

How terrible. Government doesn’t create jobs unless we’re berating Obama for not creating more.

145 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:29:52am

As usual I’m a little out of step. A little more skeptical of the P.A. and the NSA policies, and a little less on the ACA at least as compared to many good people here.

I never expected a clean start up of the exchanges. Not because of government vs private or anything political. And even setting aside deliberate mischief-

This had too many things working against it. So many states, so many privacy firewalls, so much raw data and if this then that cost estimations…. Frankly it would have been plain ignorant (or an unfair standard-Looking at you GOP) to expect a super clean problem free start. These things need to crawl, then walk then run. Could be it should have rolled out state by state over time. Let the demand grow, that builds in time to scale up and fix whatever needs doing.

The ACA is a fundamental improvement of our nation right under our roofs. let the critics yammer. I’m not losing any sleep over early hiccups.

146 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:30:07am

The weirdest nitpick I’ve seen about ACA is people mad that it’s called Obamacare. Yes, people believe a bill’s nickname that is often used to rail on it is the actual name and that Obama because Obama is the most egotistical person ever named the bill after himself. I think it was Jimmy Kimmel that had people asked around “What do you prefer ACA or Obamacare.” The former got overwhelming support, the latter more jeers. The right likes to claim that we were lied to about this bill and it was shoved down our throats but they have lied more on the law than anyone has.

147 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:33:39am

This is an ACA problem that needs to be addressed:

Health Care Law Fails to Lower Prices for Rural Areas

While competition is intense in many populous regions, rural areas and small towns have far fewer carriers offering plans in the law’s online exchanges. Those places, many of them poor, are being asked to choose from some of the highest-priced plans in the 34 states where the federal government is running the health insurance marketplaces, a review by The New York Times has found.

Of the roughly 2,500 counties served by the federal exchanges, more than half, or 58 percent, have plans offered by just one or two insurance carriers, according to an analysis by The Times of county-level data provided by the Department of Health and Human Services. In about 530 counties, only a single insurer is participating.

148 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:34:08am

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

Another Moran who refused to visit the exchanges:

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Apparently, he can’t read another two sentences past what he underlined.

149 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:34:52am

Thanks a lot, Eddie, you narcissistic fame-seeking whore.


Selfish libertarian dudebros who think they’re all that and a bag of Cheetos should never be allowed to rule the world.

150 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:36:40am

lolwut?

151 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:36:49am

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is an ACA problem that needs to be addressed:

Health Care Law Fails to Lower Prices for Rural Areas

So you’re saying the solution is to defund it all together?/

152 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:38:27am

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

Of those 530 counties, what’s the population in them? Does it make sense for there to be more insurers in those areas? Does the health infrastructure in those counties support more insurers (or are we talking about a very sparse population with one hospital and handful of doctors, so that the coverage under that single insurer covers those involved)? There’s lot of information that is required before you can conclude that there’s a problem and a given location should have more insurers.

That said, more insurers would bring more competition and potentially push prices down.

153 Stanley Sea  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:38:53am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

The weirdest nitpick I’ve seen about ACA is people mad that it’s called Obamacare. Yes, people believe a bill’s nickname that is often used to rail on it is the actual name and that Obama because Obama is the most egotistical person ever named the bill after himself. I think it was Jimmy Kimmel that had people asked around “What do you prefer ACA or Obamacare.” The former got overwhelming support, the latter more jeers. The right likes to claim that we were lied to about this bill and it was shoved down our throats but they have lied more on the law than anyone has.

Stupid children. The Nut Jobs used “Obamacare” to belittle the plan. Ha ha when the 2012 campaign decided to embrace the term, producing bumper stickers I heart Obamacare etc. etc. etc.

They once again are burned by their stupidity.

154 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:38:54am

You know, maybe we wouldn’t had these bugs if the government wasn’t shutdown during the first days this was implemented. Despite what right wing nutjobs believe, this sort of thing happens in the business world too. When I first got GTA V, the online had loads of problems. Anyone who uses the website having problems as “proof” that government can’t be trusted to do anything right is an idiot especially if it’s the same idiot who wants the government to be their moral arbitrator.

155 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:39:38am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

Oh Albright is just an elite liberal authoritarian murderer of millions of Iraqi children. //

156 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:39:44am

re: #153 Stanley Sea

Stupid children. The Nut Jobs used “Obamacare” to belittle the plan. Ha ha when the 2012 campaign decided to embrace the term, producing bumper stickers I heart Obamacare etc. etc. etc.

They once again are burned by their stupidity.

The worst night mare to the nutjobs is people liking ACA. It was the same with SS and Medicare and it will be the same here.

157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:41:31am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

So you’re saying the solution is to defund it all together?/

nope!

158 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:41:45am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

SimCity had a similar problem when they launched their Internet version.

Heck, the Playstation systems had all kinds of problems with their Internet access, and Sony later had hacker issues with their site that crippled it for a time.

159 piratedan  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:42:24am

re: #150 Charles Johnson

lolwut?

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yeah, the wordpress that crashes more often than a toddler walking, good thought

160 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:42:46am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I can’t count the number of games I’ve bought at launch that get patched within hours of being released at times. Hell, Diablo 3 was a such a disaster/joke at first with the error 3007 issues that it became a meme.

Every software developer knows that shit happens and while the site should have been started earlier and tested better the whole timeline sounds no different than what a lot of us face in the private sector.

161 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:43:37am

re: #160 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I can’t count the number of games I’ve bought at launch that get patched within hours of being released at times. Hell, Diablo 3 was a such a disaster/joke at first with the error 3007 issues that it became a meme.

Every software developer knows that shit happens and while the site should have been started earlier and tested better the whole timeline sounds no different than what a lot of us face in the private sector.

Precisely.

162 jaunte  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:44:27am

re: #150 Charles Johnson

For Slutsky, this closed-door approach is the problem.

“The thing is, we don’t actually know for sure where the point of failure was in the process, so it’s hard to identify, at this moment, where things broke down,” he wrote in an email. “The government spent $500 (+/-) million on this website — that’s a lot of money to throw at a problem and the problem clearly wasn’t solved.

Yes, a “a disaster,” “a failure” and “excruciatingly embarrassing”.
Investigate! Impeach!

The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest, a study released on Thursday said.

reuters.com

163 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:45:03am

re: #152 lawhawk

Of those 530 counties, what’s the population in them? Does it make sense for there to be more insurers in those areas? Does the health infrastructure in those counties support more insurers (or are we talking about a very sparse population with one hospital and handful of doctors, so that the coverage under that single insurer covers those involved)? There’s lot of information that is required before you can conclude that there’s a problem and a given location should have more insurers.

That said, more insurers would bring more competition and potentially push prices down.

I don’t know the answers, but I do think it’s a problem that should be addressed. We have sparsely populated counties in Kentucky and there are at least two companies competing in each county here.

164 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:45:18am

McDonald’s tells employee to get food stamps

165 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:45:31am

re: #162 jaunte

Yes, a “a disaster,” “a failure” and “excruciatingly embarrassing”.
Investigate! Impeach!

reuters.com

Stop blaming Bush.//

166 jaunte  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:46:51am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

That lack of proportion in reactions to ACA rollout problems continues to be stunning.

167 AlexRogan  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:47:17am

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is an ACA problem that needs to be addressed:

Health Care Law Fails to Lower Prices for Rural Areas

The problem is that in many of those states (mine included), they flat out refused to set up their own exchanges, because that would have meant also expanding their Medicaid programs, among other reasons that are pretty much all political plays by GOP hacks.

168 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:47:54am

re: #164 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

McDonald’s tells employee to get food stamps

Article makes an interesting point about how big companies like McDs and government assistance programs. Really, if I were opposed to such programs (I am not) but if I were, I’d have a bigger problem with Fortune 500 companies like McDs paying their employees so shitty that they have to get on government assistance.

169 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:49:08am

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Why not go straight to Geocities or AOL for that matter? Oh wait, he talked to someone involved in WordPress who’s touting WP’s services, all while ignoring all the issues with WP generally.

Figures.

That wasn’t an article so much as a press-release scripted on behalf of WP.

170 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:49:32am

re: #164 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

McDonald’s tells employee to get food stamps

“This has got to be one of the most f’ed up, corrupt kinds of capitalism imaginable: companies padding their profits by pushing their workers onto public assistance. And it’s a feature, not a bug.”

That applies to most retail workers, and yes, it is fucked up, corrupt capitalism.

171 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:49:47am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Article makes an interesting point about how big companies like McDs and government assistance programs. Really, if I were opposed to such programs (I am not) but if I were, I’d have a bigger problem with Fortune 500 companies like McDs paying their employees so shitty that they have to get on government assistance.

I have no problem with the assistance programs. I do get annoyed when I see a company refusing to pay their workers a decent wage telling said employees to just get food stamps etc.

172 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:50:35am

talkingpointsmemo.com
Well we got a possible name. The WH I know dispelled this yesterday but am I cynical in thinking that it did happen and the WH which is used to petty bullshit from House Republicans decided to act like it did not occur? Honestly, it’s totally believable with most everything else House Republicans have done ot Obama.

173 AlexRogan  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:51:10am

re: #164 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

McDonald’s tells employee to get food stamps

The mantra of “good business” these days: Privatize profits, socialize costs/liabilities.

174 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:51:19am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Article makes an interesting point about how big companies like McDs and government assistance programs. Really, if I were opposed to such programs (I am not) but if I were, I’d have a bigger problem with Fortune 500 companies like McDs paying their employees so shitty that they have to get on government assistance.

You forget that those companies are the same ones that are basically funding those who complain constantly about the safety net, like ‘baggers/Republicans.

175 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:51:29am

re: #171 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I have no problem with the assistance programs. I do get annoyed when I see a company refusing to pay their workers a decent wage telling said employees to just get food stamps etc.

This would be my position too. Honestly, I think companies paying their employees a better wage is something good for both employee and employer. It’s too bad that some employers refuse to get that.

176 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:52:36am

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

You forget that those companies are the same ones that are basically funding those who complain constantly about the safety net, like ‘baggers/Republicans.

I am not forgetting that. I am speaking hypothetically. If I were to oppose such programs, I’d have a bigger problem with the multinationals like McDs paying their employees like crap and thus forcing them to seek things like government assistance. Hell, I already do haev a problem with it as a supporter of such programs.

177 ausador  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:52:45am

re: #152 lawhawk

That said, more insurers would bring more competition and potentially push prices down.

If there is only one insurer offering coverage in an area and the quoted rates are higher than average then other insurance carriers will seek to undercut those prices once they see the opportunity. That is how the “free market” is supposed to work after all isn’t it? I doubt there will be any markets (no matter how small) with only one carrier offering coverage for very long at all.

178 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:56:24am

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is an ACA problem that needs to be addressed:

Health Care Law Fails to Lower Prices for Rural Areas

You can thank the Red-State wackadoodle rulers of those areas for trying to keep ACA/insurers out of their turf.

179 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:58:54am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

I am not forgetting that. I am speaking hypothetically. If I were to oppose such programs, I’d have a bigger problem with the multinationals like McDs paying their employees like crap and thus forcing them to seek things like government assistance. Hell, I already do haev a problem with it as a supporter of such programs.

Yeah, sometimes I think we’re asking too much of people who actually think Fox is a real news channel, and it’s either a sin or criminal to accept govt help. I’ve also heard more than one person refer to “personal pride” as a reason they didn’t apply for help, while they didn’t mind hitting you up for cash.

180 piratedan  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:59:44am

re: #178 GlutenFreeJesus

You can thank the Red-State wackadoodle rulers of those areas for trying to keep ACA/insurers out of their turf.

gotta admire the chutzpah that bemoans the lack of options being made available when you’re the cause for those options not being made available. Where’s the competition? Ummmm you refused to let them into the state and NOW you wonder why the prices never go down? You forget how the free market works?

181 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:00:09am

Arrested for shopping while black

182 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:03:59am

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is an ACA problem that needs to be addressed:

Health Care Law Fails to Lower Prices for Rural Areas

Hopefully there will be enough popularity with the program overall, they will be able to lower costs in those low population areas. Also, there is still the common ways that insurance companies have always done business that will need further tweaks in the law. There might still be areas the companies can say there is not a lot of business and what business is there is more costly to cover so they charge higher rates. That will probably be apparent to the government overseers so maybe after all the histrionics and politics die down they (yes, you too Republicans that actually choose to govern) can actually work on the damn thing.

183 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:07:15am

When will Congress hold antitrust hearings for MS Windows constant blue screens of death?

184 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:09:07am

The launch of Healthcare.gov was the Obama administration’s Three Mile Island==>

185 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:13:49am

re: #171 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

And then of these working people the TCOT will cry Welfare lazy parasites!!11elventy

186 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:15:01am

re: #150 Charles Johnson

lolwut?

Why didn’t the White House use WordPress?

Hell, why didn’t they just set up a Blogger account? Think of the money they would have saved?
///

(Does Blogger even exist any more?)

187 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:15:57am

re: #150 Charles Johnson

lolwut?

[ Dylan Byers @DylanByers

HealthCare.gov : Why didn’t the White House use WordPress? politico.com … via @POLITICO]

I’m working on a modified WordPress store solution using a bunch of plug-ins. And this is for a very simple store. It isn’t easy dancing around others code…and that is all I will say. A cheap way to do it, well yeah…but a lot of work to get it setup the way you want anyway. And that is just from a graphics look standpoint.

I think I’d like to strangle that son-of-bitch for such a simpleton tweet.

Of course there has been all kind of web site experts all of a sudden. I bet there are very few that have ever looked at code of any kind. I bet there are few that know how databases tie in.

I know I’m no expert and would never call myself one. But I do know when someone is talking out of their ass. This guy has a big ass!

188 urbanmeemaw  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:23:12am

re: #109 Feline Fearless Leader

Aided and abetted by the mewlings and rantings of the mainslime media and “both sides do it” so called comedians.

189 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:23:25am
190 Mattand  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:23:50am

re: #150 Charles Johnson

lolwut?

[Embedded content]

If they add a server, they’ll be golden.

191 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:27:11am

re: #187 ObserverArt

I’m working on a modified WordPress store solution using a bunch of plug-ins. And this is for a very simple store. It isn’t easy dancing around others code…and that is all I will say. A cheap way to do it, well yeah…but a lot of work to get it setup the way you want anyway. And that is just from a graphics look standpoint.

I think I’d like to strangle that son-of-bitch for such a simpleton tweet.

Of course there has been all kind of web site experts all of a sudden. I bet there are very few that have ever looked at code of any kind. I bet there are few that know how databases tie in.

I know I’m no expert and would never call myself one. But I do know when someone is talking out of their ass. This guy has a big ass!

Didn’t some wingnut rag accuse them of using Wordpress yesterday?

192 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:40:00am

re: #186 makeitstop

It sure does - as part of the Google collective.

193 philosophus invidius  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:40:24am

Sarah Palin promotes conspiracy theory regarding fainting woman at Obama press conference

facebook.com

194 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:41:16am

Rural Democrat voters get everything FOR FREE

195 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:42:10am

Well, of course! Delaying Obamacare would have cured cancer, too.

196 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:43:01am

re: #194 Vicious Babushka

That’s OK. Rural areas have better more pure Free Market Capitalism, so no problem. //

197 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:43:12am

re: #193 philosophus invidius

Of course she does…

198 philosophus invidius  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:43:53am

re: #193 philosophus invidius

Of course she uses the foxnews technique of saying that this is just what people are saying. Then look at her facebook comments and you can see that her post has had its desired effect of getting people to believe the conspiracy theory.

199 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:44:49am

re: #198 philosophus invidius

Hey were just asking questions!!

200 ausador  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:45:37am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

I am not forgetting that. I am speaking hypothetically. If I were to oppose such programs, I’d have a bigger problem with the multinationals like McDs paying their employees like crap and thus forcing them to seek things like government assistance. Hell, I already do haev a problem with it as a supporter of such programs.

A single person household who wants to apply for SNAP (EBT) benefits in Florida has to earn more than $1278.00 a month to be ineligible. There are a lot of part-timers at McDonalds and Walmart (along with many other “service” jobs) who will never earn that much given their wage scale and hours.

The Federal government is being intentionally used by these companies to supplement their employees welfare (literally!) and their own bottom line. Rather than offering higher wages and/or full-time employment they have instead chosen to abdicate their societal obligations and allow governmental agencies to bear it for them.

201 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:48:14am

re: #200 ausador

A single person household who wants to apply for SNAP (EBT) benefits in Florida has to earn more than $1278.00 a month to be ineligible. There are a lot of part-timers at McDonalds and Walmart (along with many other “service” jobs) who will never earn that much given their wage scale and hours.

The Federal government is being intentionally used by these companies to supplement their employees welfare (literally!) and their own bottom line. Rather than offering higher wages and full-time employment they have instead chosen to abdicate their societal obligations and allow governmental agencies to bear it for them.

HURR HURR AT LEAST THEY HAS TEH JRRBZ!!!11 IF WALMARTS & MCD’S WASN’T SO GENEROUS IN CREYATING TEH JRRBZ THEY WOUD HAVE NO JRRBZ AND THEN TAKE EVEN MOAR FOOD STAMPZ!!11!!

HURR HURR U LIBRUL HOW MENY JRRBZ HAS U CREEYATED? WALMARTS & MCD’S IS BETTER THEN U!!!!!!!1!!!!*

*Based on an actual Twitter conversation. Don’t ask.

202 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:50:32am

I’m enjoying the delicious rage over at FR over Darrell Issa and his plans for immigration reform.

He’s Muslim —
__________

Bingo - from the get-go - look at all of his committe “investigations” on Benghazi, IRS, Fast & Furious - nothing goes anywhere. No contempt of Congress, nothing.
__________

Why does Issa bring this up now? To distract from Obama’s disaster, that’s why.
__________

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

All of Issa’s investigations have been for the show.

They solved nothing they found out nothing they punished no one. They let Holder slide, they let Hillary slide, they let the IRS slide, and now they let Sebilius slide>

Issa is a front for the Republicans, a façade. A false front while Republicans such as Boehner and others who are enjoying the perks of office, are allowing the Democrats to make us eat crap.
__________

It’s clear that Issa was running interference for Obama with his hearings while at the same timing drafting Amnesty bills on behalf of Mexico and India.
__________

So tasty; so scrumptious. MOAR!!!

203 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:50:48am

re: #191 makeitstop

Didn’t some wingnut rag accuse them of using Wordpress yesterday?

I don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

I haven’t looked…maybe there is the Health Care Insurance Market Place Plug-in!

204 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:51:37am

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

False Flags all around. /

205 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:52:03am

re: #204 Bulworth

False Flags all around. /

lol

206 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:52:15am

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

The poors should werk more than one jobz if they want to eats. //

207 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:53:09am

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

It’s almost as if the freepers are upset that showtrial hearings not designed to determine the truth don’t produce anything. /

208 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:53:09am

This is absolutely horrific. Why was this criminal still working anywhere as a health care pro? And why still call him “doctor”?

Doctor takes plea deal, avoids trial in pregnant woman’s death

dispatch.com

“Salim’s medical license has been suspended, but until his arrest, he was an emergency-department psychiatrist at Knox Community Hospital in Mount Vernon. He had been on house arrest at his home near New Albany and was being monitored by a GPS tracking device.”

So he was able to stay at home, commit his crime, and try to cover it up by dumping this young mother’s body in her own car. I hope he gets the entire 37 yrs w/o parole.

209 Amory Blaine  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:55:05am

If your business is so razor thin that your employees are forced to go on public assistance, maybe you shouldn’t be in business.

210 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:55:10am

re: #206 Bulworth

The poors should werk more than one jobz if they want to eats. //

Yeah the wingnut said that too. Also:

HURR HURR WALMARTS & MCD IS JUST AN ENTRY LEVEL 4 FIRST-TIMERS 2 GET THERE CHOPS WORKING A HARD DAYS WORK!!11!! THEN THEY TAEKS THERE EXPERIENS & GET A BETTER JRRB!!!!!!!

ONLY LUZRS STAYS ON AT WALMART.

HURR HURR WALMARTS WORKERS IS TEH DUMBEST.

HURR HURR MY DAD WURKED AT WALMART 20 YEARZ & NEVER TUK NO FOODSTAMPS!!!11!!

211 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:56:14am

re: #209 Amory Blaine

If your business is so razor thin that your employees are forced to go on public assistance, maybe you shouldn’t be in business.

HURR HURR TEH CEO’S NEEDS THERE PAY CAUZ THEY HAS TEH SKILLZ & THEY WERKS SMARTERS TO MAEK MOAR MONEYS 4 TEH STOCK HOLDERS!!!!!1!!!

212 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:57:54am

A GAZILLION JILLION!!!!1!!!!!! MOAR MONEYS THEN THEIR IS IN TEH HOLE WIDE WHIRLED!!!!!11!!!

213 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:58:55am

All based on actual Twitters.

214 Amory Blaine  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:59:14am

The press agenda is a sight to behold.

215 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:00:05am

re: #209 Amory Blaine

McDonalds profit margin? over 15% every year since 2009.

What does that 15-20% (or more) mean in real dollars?

In the words of the Wayans Brothers - mo money mo money mo money. We’re talking more than $4b to more than $5b a year since 2008.

216 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:00:08am

247wallst.com

I love how this article starts out:

You might think that going to California, Texas or New York exposes you to a lot of crime.

Yeah, you might think that if you’re an ignoramus who watches sensational cable news crap, or if FOX is telling you that Cali and NY are lib’rul hellholes, but if you know what you’re talking about, you know that New York City, San Diego, and San Jose rank among the most safe big cities in the country. Yeah, both states have their problems (Oakland and Stockton in CA, Buffalo, Newburgh, Poughkeepsie in NY), but overall, they’re just fine places to live if you’re interested in living in safe states.

217 ausador  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:04:10am

Congressman Young’s funeral is now being broadcast live from Largo by Bay News Nine on cable here. Right now they are showing his casket being carried into the church by the Marines…

218 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:07:32am

Frank Pallone nails it.

219 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:12:01am

Herman Cain: The Devil Was Behind Sexual Harassment Allegations

Former Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain has an idea who might be behind the allegations of sexual harassment that plagued his campaign two years ago: the Devil.

The former CEO of the National Restaurant Association told RealClearReligion in a story published Wednesday that he didn’t challenge allegations that he sexually harassed at least four women, some of them anonymous, while at the helm of that organization because it would have been a “huge distraction” from his campaign. He maintained that his accusers are “liars.”

Now serving as an associate pastor at a Baptist church in Atlanta, Cain speculated to the publication that the Devil may have masterminded the allegation

220 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:12:10am

re: #218 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Frank Pallone nails it.

That was a thing of beauty.

‘Monkey court’ is right about on the money.

221 ausador  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:12:16am

re: #217 ausador

Congressman Young’s funeral is now being broadcast live from Largo by Bay News Nine on cable here. Right now they are showing his casket being carried into the church by the Marines…

John Boehner speaking now…

222 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:12:54am

re: #218 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

It’s hilarious watching GOPers claiming the ACA does this and that, when it’s clearly not in the law, or is prohibited because of other federal law like HIPAA.

And HIPAA has clear rules for clearinghouses (which one could categorize the exchanges as)

All this means nothing to a GOP witch hunt on trying to hang someone from the Administration out to dry.

Youtube Video

More specifically, the GOP, who likes to claim that no one read the ACA before passage, proves their very point by showing they have no comprehension of what’s in the program, what’s allowed or not, and how it benefits areas that have high numbers of uninsureds that happen to be across Red States. The GOP screws its own all to spite the Administration, and is failing on all accounts (including in the money race for campaign monies going into 2014).

223 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:14:45am

Gullibility has become a virtue.

224 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:17:23am

re: #218 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Frank Pallone nails it.

He sure did.

Pallone: I started out in my opening statement saying there was no legitimacy to this hearing and the last line of the questioning certainly confirms is that.

HIPAA only applies when there’s health information being provided. That’s not in play here today. No health information is required in the application process. And why is that? Because pre-existing conditions don’t matter! So once again, here we have my Republican colleagues trying to scare everybody —

Barton, interrupting: If the gentleman will yield?

Pallone: No, I will not yield to this monkey court or whatever —

Barton: This is not a monkey court!

225 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:18:23am

re: #223 b_sharp

Gullibility has become a virtue.

And an industry.

226 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:19:26am

re: #224 Justanotherhuman

He sure did.

Pallone: I started out in my opening statement saying there was no legitimacy to this hearing and the last line of the questioning certainly confirms is that.

HIPAA only applies when there’s health information being provided. That’s not in play here today. No health information is required in the application process. And why is that? Because pre-existing conditions don’t matter! So once again, here we have my Republican colleagues trying to scare everybody —

Barton, interrupting: If the gentleman will yield?

Pallone: No, I will not yield to this monkey court or whatever —

Barton: This is not a monkey court!

You missed this:

‘Do whatever you want, I’m not yielding.’

That was great.

227 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:21:57am

When the high level spin doctors at your job are throwing around terms like clusterfuck and disaster, you know good times are ahead.

Glad I wasn’t part of that particular project.

228 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:23:10am

re: #219 Kragar

Herman Cain: The Devil Was Behind Sexual Harassment Allegations

Isn’t Herman Cain’s yesterday’s news? I mean this would have been funnier last year. Still a good job by the Onion. Oh, wait you’re telling me that Herman Cain actually believes that the devil was behind the sexual harassment allegations thrown at him. Well then. It does explain 9-9-9 since 9-9-9 backwards is 6-6-6.//

229 ausador  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:26:45am

Gotta admire the reverend of the church, he kept the opening comment and prayer extremely short, told the people speaking at the funeral to introduce themselves rather than trying to share the limelight with them and said that his primary job was to keep the service moving forward in a “timely fashion.”

He pointed out a clock (hidden from the audience) meant to time each speakers comments and politely insisted that he would enforce the time limit if necessary.

The roads are going to be bad this afternoon, the motorcade from the funeral service to Bay Pines (soon to be Bill Young) National cemetery is going to block a lot of mid-county traffic. Then the motorcade returning the 100+ Washington D.C. visitors from the cemetery to the airport is going to cut the county in half again right about at rush hour. :(

230 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:30:04am

They were supposed to roll out 200 servers, have them completely configured and begin operational testing by tomorrow. This project was broken down into 4 phases, and has been running for about the last 8 weeks.

They haven’t even passed the half way point for phase 1.

They were supposed to hit that point in week 1.

Youtube Video

231 b.d.  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:31:41am

Good.

232 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:31:44am

re: #226 makeitstop

Pallone seems to have stepped up his game since I remember him last….

233 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:33:03am

re: #224 Justanotherhuman

Has Barton asked about the death panels yet?

234 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:34:55am
236 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:37:31am

re: #230 Kragar

They were supposed to roll out 200 servers, have them completely configured and begin operational testing by tomorrow. This project was broken down into 4 phases, and has been running for about the last 8 weeks.

They haven’t even passed the half way point for phase 1.

They were supposed to hit that point in week 1.

[Embedded content]

Are they still out in the field hunting the free range servers?

237 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:39:45am

re: #184 Vicious Babushka

The launch of Healthcare.gov was the Obama administration’s Three Mile Island==>

So, if Obama goes in and personally helps clean it up, he comes out as 50’ tall Obama? Now there is a POTUS that can intimidate the world.

238 Tigger2  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:45:27am

Sources are saying it was Pete Sessions that told the President he couldn’t stand to look at him.

dailykos.com

239 Ian G.  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:47:12am

re: #231 b.d.

Sorry, but I can’t read that headline without thinking of this:

Youtube Video

(Skip ahead to 2:05)

240 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:48:04am

Anybody need to exercise their tear ducts?

241 jaunte  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:48:06am

re: #238 Tigger2

Sessions, Boehner and Jay Carney are claiming he didn’t.

“Looks like what we have here is a classic example of the Telephone Game phenomenon. What Sessions really said was, “I cannot find that Pikachu”
nymag.com

242 ausador  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:48:36am

re: #235 Kragar

Texas Judge Forced to Resign After Caught Texting Instructions to Assistant DA During Trial

What is the problem? All those Ex Parte rules are bullshit anyway, surely the judge is perfectly able to remain impartial while secretly instructing the prosecution in how best to present their case…right?

///

243 Tigger2  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:50:52am

re: #241 jaunte

Sessions, Boehner and Jay Carney are claiming he didn’t.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) let his Democratic caucus know last week in a private meeting that a top House Republican told President Barack Obama, “I cannot even stand to look at you,” according to two Democratic senators who were present, and confirmed by two Senate Democratic aides who said they independently learned of the exchange from two other senators.

244 jaunte  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:52:27am

re: #243 Tigger2

It’s just the kind of thing that Sessions might say, but I think the White House is allowing him an out.

245 Tigger2  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:55:11am

re: #244 jaunte

It’s just the kind of thing that Sessions might say, but I think the White House is allowing him an out.

The people on Sessions FB page first thread aren’t giving him an out.

facebook.com

246 jaunte  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:56:42am

re: #245 Tigger2

Now Sessions has the choice to agree to the lie(?) and go along with the White House, or admit that he said it.

247 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:57:19am

re: #243 Tigger2

Needs more unnamed sources.

248 dog philosopher  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:57:27am

Republicans Embarrassed As Issa Hearings On Website Lead To Improvements, Increased Traffic

had no idea that people would crowd website offering significant savings on much needed service

249 Tigger2  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:58:37am

re: #245 Tigger2

The people on Sessions FB page first thread aren’t giving him an out.

facebook.com

2nd thread they added a new one.

250 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:00:59am

26 Slogans That Frankly Make More Sense Than the Real Ones

The Waffle House one really is perfect.

251 dog philosopher  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:01:41am

Republican Health Care Plan To Offer Corinthian Leather, Burl Trim

“why get cheap health insurance that anybody can afford? pay top dollar and impress your friends!”

252 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:03:02am

re: #244 jaunte

It’s just the kind of thing that Sessions might say, but I think the White House is allowing him an out.

Even as they try to slime him, he shows class. Of course, this is usually an admirable trait. To the Republicans they must look at it like “he’s fucking with us again!”

I’m glad he has decided there is no reason to stoop to their levels. It is something many African Americans (and other oppressed/repressed) have had to learn to maintain their dignity while everyone around them had lost theirs.

253 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:03:56am

Peter Brimelow: ‘Too Extreme For WND’

What is in this too-crazy-for-WND column?

Brimelow argues that Democrats’ supposed support of an “invasion” and “colonization” of the US by non-white immigrants is treason because it reduces the percentage of the white population.

Hard to believe that WND, which has published Brimelow’s columns previously and is the home of anti-immigrant writers such as Ann Coulter, Pat Buchanan, Tom Tancredo and Jerome Corsi (who peddle the same fears about the death of White America and the GOP), would find anything wrong with this column.

We don’t know what WND’s editors were thinking, because this reads just like a column one would see on their site.

254 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:04:31am

re: #246 jaunte

Now Sessions has the choice to agree to the lie(?) and go along with the White House, or admit that he said it.

I guess he is going to learn this just like he is 6 years old again. Kids!

255 Tigger2  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:04:33am

re: #247 Internet Tough Guy

Needs more unnamed sources.

I only need one unnamed source when it comes to anything coming out of a teabaggers mouth. lol

256 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:07:09am

It’s like the President wanted to build a plane but instead of assisting in any meaningful way, the Republicans made sure the wings got shortened, the landing gear was substandard, the wiring was poor and the gas tank was only half full when it took off…

…and THEN had the audacity to DEMAND an investigation to figure out why the plane crashed!

257 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:12:14am

re: #256 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s like the President wanted to build a plane but instead of assisting in any meaningful way, the Republicans made sure the wings got shortened, the landing gear was substandard, the wiring was poor and the gas tank was only half full when it took off…

…and THEN had the audacity to DEMAND an investigation to figure out why the plane crashed!

They never wanted the thing off the ground and cry it wasn’t tested it doesn’t fly.

But that was back when they were against it…things change.

258 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:12:19am

OMG IT’S A GAYNADO

259 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:13:44am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

OMG IT’S A GAYNADO

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Leprechaun and pot of gold unavailable for comment.

260 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:13:45am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

OMG IT’S A GAYNADO

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WHAT IS GOD TELLING US!!!!!!

261 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:13:54am

Swiss Valais Blacknosed Sheep…I need several of these…

262 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:14:51am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

Needs more sharks.

263 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:15:02am

re: #260 ObserverArt

WHAT IS GOD TELLING US!!!!!!

BEHOLD THE FABULOUS!

264 blueraven  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:15:44am

Per MSNBC
Tennessee: Millington Navy base on lockdown. 4 possibly wounded. Active shooter

265 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:15:47am

Shootings being reported at a Naval base. Another day in America land of the free!

266 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:16:18am

Mother fucker.

267 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:16:45am

WE NEAD MOAR GOOD GUYS WITH GUNZ!!!!!!!111!!

268 ausador  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:16:49am

Oh wow, anybody feel like doing a page?

Remember the Spanish frescoe that was turned from this…

Frescoe restoration?

…into that?

It has happened again, only this time in China where ancient temple paintings have been turned into cartoonish figures in a supposed restoration.

This…
Temple painting

Has once again become…that…
Restored?

Links…
Link NBC
Link, Chinese site with before and after pictures, liable to be taken down soon

269 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:17:00am
270 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:17:54am
271 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:18:47am

re: #270 Vicious Babushka

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Perp should be staked out on the beach at low tide and left there for the weekend.

272 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:19:38am

If the sea lions had AR-15’s this would not have happened!

273 blueraven  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:20:01am

re: #264 blueraven

Per MSNBC
Tennessee: Millington Navy base on lockdown. 4 possibly wounded. Active shooter

Reports that suspect is now in custody…unconfirmed

274 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:21:56am

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

BEHOLD THE FABULOUS!

And he is! Rainbows are great. They put my art school days studying the Munsell Color theory to test!

275 jaunte  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:22:02am

re: #270 Vicious Babushka

Sickening.

276 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:23:37am

Local News

2 shot at Millington Navy Base, shooter in custody

277 Lidane  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:24:06am
278 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:25:05am

re: #268 ausador

Oh wow, anybody feel like doing a page?

Remember the Spanish frescoe that was turned from this…

Frescoe restoration?

…into that?

It has happened again, only this time in China where ancient temple paintings have been turned into cartoonish figures in a supposed restoration.

This…
Temple painting

Has once again become…that…
Restored?

Links…
Link NBC
Link, Chinese site with before and after pictures, liable to be taken down soon

Look on the bright side……at least they didn’t go with this: Image: dress%20multicolor%20chinese%20anime%20girls%20nardack%20chinese%20clothes%201680x1050%20wallpaper_www.knowledgehi.com_2.jpg

279 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:25:12am

re: #272 Vicious Babushka

If the sea lions had AR-15’s this would not have happened!

In this case, I’d give the sea lions rocket launchers to balance things out a bit.

Send in the Seals!

280 ausador  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:27:02am

re: #268 ausador

The restoration artist has made some definite improvements, compare this ancient looking outdated chipped up artwork…

Old

To this new and vibrant “restoration”…
New

It hasn’t just been restored, it looks even better than when it was originally painted…right?

281 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:27:53am

re: #268 ausador

Frescoe restoration?

Dan? Dan Quayle? Is that you?

282 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:29:40am

re: #280 ausador

“Its not stupid. Its advanced!”

283 Lidane  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:30:22am
284 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:30:28am
285 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:33:01am

Shooting was apparently an argument that broke out between National Guardsmen, not a spree killer.

286 ausador  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:34:16am

re: #285 Kragar

Shooting was apparently an argument that broke out between National Guardsmen, not a spree killer.

Oh good, I feel so much better now…

///
:(

287 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:35:21am

re: #277 Lidane

Damn Intertubes, ruining a good meme….


/

288 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:38:30am
289 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:40:01am

re: #288 Vicious Babushka

Free-market information gathering.
///

290 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:40:28am

South Carolina soup kitchen refuses to allow atheists to volunteer

“I told [the Spartanburg Soup Kitchen] we wouldn’t wear our T-shirts. We wouldn’t tell anyone who we are with. We just want to help out,” Upstate Atheist president Eve Brannon told the Spartanburg Herald-Jounal. “And they told us that we were not allowed.”

Lou Landrum, the Soup Kitchen’s executive director, told the same paper that allowing the atheists to distribute their care packages would be a “disservice to this community.”

“We stand on the principles of God,” she said. “Do [atheists] think that our guests are so ignorant that they don’t know what an atheist is? Why are they targeting us? They don’t give any money. I wouldn’t want their money.”

Landrum said that “they can set up across the street from the Soup Kitchen. They can have the devil there with them, but they better not come across the street.”

291 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:40:39am

WTFITS

292 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:41:33am

re: #290 Kragar

South Carolina soup kitchen refuses to allow atheists to volunteer

Athiests should open own soup kitchen WITH MOAR PIE!

293 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:42:03am

re: #290 Kragar

South Carolina soup kitchen refuses to allow atheists to volunteer

I hope the next gift horse that comes along kicks their executive director in the ass.
//

294 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:42:14am

re: #292 Vicious Babushka

Athiests should open own soup kitchen WITH MOAR PIE!

There’s a soup kitchen in Berlin run jointly by the Sufis and the Jesuits.

Enough said.

295 b.d.  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:42:37am

Sounds reasonable.

//

Texas Tea Party leader wants to sue homosexuality to stop AIDS

During their discussion, Scarborough asked if they should file a class action lawsuit against homosexuality for leading to AIDS, much like was done to hold big tobacco accountable for lung cancer. Who exactly he would sue wasn’t really discussed, but this obviously isn’t the most logical of arguments.

austin.culturemap.com

296 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:42:38am

re: #291 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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Everyone knows you should never give the government your SSN.
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297 EPR-radar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:44:27am

re: #284 Vicious Babushka

How convenient for the 0.001% that US politics is dominated by insane people and the struggle to prevent the insane people from wrecking everything.

As opposed to doing something useful, like taking a good hard look at how this economy is only benefitting the 0.001% and taking corrective action.

298 erik_t  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:44:29am

re: #296 Kragar

Everyone knows you should never give the government your SSN.
///

If you ask me, the US Navy has quite enough SSNs already.
///

299 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:45:56am

re: #297 EPR-radar

How convenient for the 0.001% that US politics is dominated by insane people and the struggle to prevent the insane people from wrecking everything.

As opposed to doing something useful, like taking a good hard look at how this economy is only benefitting the 0.001% and taking corrective action.

Barack Obama: WORST. COMMUNIST. EVER!

300 Kragar  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:48:10am

Beck: An EMP Attack Will Kill Half The Population, So Buy Food Insurance

One of the oddest things about Glenn Beck’s daily radio program is watching him spend twenty minutes ranting and/or sobbing about some topic, only to suddenly make a transition to promoting the company or product that is sponsoring that particular half-hour of programming.

Sometimes the transition is jarring, like when he has been screaming about how Terminators are going to take over the world and then suddenly stops and begins touting the amazing work being done by Freedomworks or the importance of buying gold from Goldline.

But other times, the transition is more fluid and natural, like when he talks about a program that aired on his network the night before warning of the dangers of an EMP attack, which he uses encourage his audience to visit FoodInsurance.com.

“If this is indeed what they are going to do to us,” Beck said, warning of a possible EMP attack by Russia or Iran or North Korea on the United States, “it will kill half the population in a year. What do you say you’re prepared? Go to FoodInsurance and prepare”.

301 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:48:48am

re: #291 Vicious Babushka

Oh, I think that’s Bryan Fischer’s other Twitter account. /

302 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:50:23am

re: #300 Kragar

“If this is indeed what they are going to do to us,” Beck said, warning of a possible EMP attack by Russia

So gay-hating Russia is back to being our enemy?

/

303 erik_t  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:50:32am

Prepare for a big ooga-booga scary EMP disaster by ensuring your food safety via… a website. On the internet. Which is, as I recall, primarily computerized.

Makes sense.

304 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:50:51am

re: #300 Kragar

Beck: An EMP Attack Will Kill Half The Population, So Buy Food Insurance

If half of us are dead, wouldn’t that mean there would be twice as much food left for those who survive?
/

305 Witches BaBOOshka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:51:11am

re: #303 erik_t

Prepare for a big ooga-booga scary EMP disaster by ensuring your food safety via… a website. On the internet. Which is, as I recall, primarily computerized.

Makes sense.

Except for the sites which are hamster-powered.

306 ausador  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:51:48am

re: #290 Kragar

You know what kind of people are even worse than Atheists?
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Ha! It was trick question, there is nothing worse than being an Atheist!

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307 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:51:58am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

If half of us are dead, wouldn’t that mean there would be twice as much food left for those who survive?
/

Probably. But would you know where to go to find Twinkies?
/

308 ausador  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:53:04am

re: #298 erik_t

If you ask me, the US Navy has quite enough SSNs already.
///

Not that kind of SSN silly… :p

309 Teukka  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 12:00:42pm

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

If half of us are dead, wouldn’t that mean there would be twice as much food left for those who survive?
/

Well, you wouldn’t be killed instantly. You would die from starvation because any means of transportation dependent on electronics not properly ruggedized would simply stop working. And it would take time to replace it.
And what little modes of tranportation remains would not be enough.

My rule of thumb is based on “9 meals from anarchy” adage. I keep 9 meals that do not require anything electronic or electric to store or prepare, as well as a stockpile of tealights.

re: #303 erik_t

Prepare for a big ooga-booga scary EMP disaster by ensuring your food safety via… a website. On the internet. Which is, as I recall, primarily computerized.

Makes sense.

Yeah, really bright idea right there.

I would wager that there is more chance of our friendly star 1AU away kinda burping and frying everything, than the eeebil Russkies, Nerf Koreans or Chinese lobbing anything provocative your way. That’s because every nuclear capable country knows that you do not want to let the ugly geany out of the bottle which actual use of a nuke means.


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