North Carolina GOP State Rep. Larry Pittman: Obama’s Not a Traitor… to Kenya

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Birther alert! North Carolina state Rep. Larry Pittman (R), speaking to a friendly crowd in Concord on Monday, joked that President Obama hasn’t done anything to harm his native country — Kenya.

“Someone had posted something [on Facebook] with a picture of Barack Obama and across it said ‘traitor,’ ” Pittman said. “And, you know, I don’t always agree with the guy, I certainly didn’t vote for him but I gotta defend him on this one. I just don’t think it’s right at all to call Barack Obama a traitor. There’s a lot of things he’s done wrong but he is not a traitor. Not as far as I can tell. I haven’t come across any evidence yet that he has done one thing to harm Kenya.”

American Bridge, the Democratic super PAC that sends trackers to follow Republican politicians, posted footage of Pittman’s joke.

Earlier this week, North Carolina Republicans had to ask a local party official in Buncome County to quit after he made incendiary remarks during an interview with Daily Show correspondent Aasif Mandvi. Yelton referred to “lazy black people that wants the government to give them everything” both the local and state Republican parties asked him to quit his post.

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290 comments
1 Skip Intro  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 4:48:32pm

On the positive side,

“There is no good way to sugarcoat this. … The Republican label is anathema to younger voters, women and Latinos — growing voter blocs with real significance to future elections.”

- Jeff Miller, GOP consultant, CA.

latimes.com

2 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:26:34pm

Straight up racism.

3 freetoken  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:31:29pm

So, how does Re-messaging work again?

4 Irving  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:35:40pm

…apparently, not like this.

5 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:35:47pm

So, when does the NC GOP ask this guy to resign?

Luckily, NC has no shortage of ignorant middle aged white guys to fill in for him.

6 teleskiguy  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:36:46pm

The old Confederacy is asserting themselves in alarming ways. And they’re infecting run-of-the-mill conservatives not of the old Confederacy (I know many, being the rural Colorado mountain guy I am) with paranoia and hatred.

7 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:37:21pm

Let a thousand birthers bloom. I want them ravenously circling the herd when Ted Cruz makes his primary play.

8 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:37:37pm

Let’s not call this a “joke,” please. This is pure and simple racist hate speech.

9 Skip Intro  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:37:51pm

re: #6 teleskiguy

It appears that reports of the Confederacy’s demise were greatly exaggerated.

10 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:39:31pm

Institutionalized racism. To the core.

The GOP leadership will try to deny this at the national level, but with it boiling up from the rank and file at the state and local level, and the pervasiveness of social media, it’s harder and harder to hide it from view.

The GOP revels in this - and it’s all they have left. They’re plum out of ideas, so they attack, deny, project, and hope to roll back socio-political and economic advancements to maintain their grip on power.

And the more they talk, the more they’re revealed for who and what they are.

11 teleskiguy  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:39:59pm

Hey Charles, nice of you to take the edges off our avatars, it looks good. I notice yours is a circle, mine’s more of an oval.

12 freetoken  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:41:40pm

re: #10 lawhawk

The GOP revels in this - and it’s all they have left.

It’s the end game of the Southern Strategy.

13 EPR-radar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:41:50pm

re: #10 lawhawk

Institutionalized racism. To the core.

The GOP leadership will try to deny this at the national level, but with it boiling up from the rank and file at the state and local level, and the pervasiveness of social media, it’s harder and harder to hide it from view.

The GOP revels in this - and it’s all they have left. They’re plum out of ideas, so they attack, deny, project, and hope to roll back socio-political and economic advancements to maintain their grip on power.

And the more they talk, the more they’re revealed for who and what they are.

The GOP establishment has been using the resentments of racists for GOTV for years, and this is finally coming back to haunt the entire party.

14 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:51:50pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

Hey Charles, nice of you to take the edges off our avatars, it looks good. I notice yours is a circle, mine’s more of an oval.

That’s because your icon image is wider than it is tall.

The “roundification” process follows the aspect ratio of the image file. You can make it circular by uploading an image that’s square, so the width and height are equal or close to it.

15 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:53:47pm

He’s not a racist. He thinks white people are just as capable of voter fraud as non-white people. Possible voter fraud of the future must be prevented.

Youtube Video

16 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:54:11pm

Test

17 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:55:31pm

Or maybe I should say he’s not JUST a racist.

A Cabarrus County lawmaker wants to bring back public hangings in North Carolina as a deterrent to crime, and he says doctors who perform abortions should be in the line to the gallows.

Republican Rep. Larry Pittman, who was appointed to the District 82 House seat in October, expressed his views in an email sent Wednesday to every member of the General Assembly.

[…]

18 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:56:36pm

re: #16 Varek Raith

Test

test

19 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:56:54pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

Or maybe I should say he’s not JUST a racist.

Nope. An all-around horrible person.

20 teleskiguy  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:57:02pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

That’s because your icon image is wider than it is tall.

The “roundification” process follows the aspect ratio of the image file. You can make it circular by uploading an image that’s square, so the width and height are equal or close to it.

Ah! I figured as much, gotta keep things neat and tidy. I think I’ll elect to keep the current avatar, as it’s probably the best picture of me having the most fun schussing down a steep snowy slope with long boards with blades attached to my toes. Oval? Schmoval!

21 freetoken  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:57:27pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Maybe it’s just my slowness, but at least in the spy I’m using the little graphics still have sharp edges.

22 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:57:51pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Let’s not call this a “joke,” please. This is pure and simple racist hate speech.

Too late, DF already did that two threads ago.

23 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:58:20pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

Or maybe I should say he’s not JUST a racist.

Pittman is the pits.

24 EPR-radar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:58:20pm

OT, but incredibly amusing. thedailybeast.com

In which David Frum engages in Ted Cruz political slash.

After reading that fantasy, one is left to wonder just how many boxes of Kleenax did Frum run though to generate that?

25 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:58:49pm
Pittman’s biography on the legislative website lists his profession as “pastor, shipping worker, company chaplain.”

From the same link as the public hangings one above.

26 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:58:50pm

re: #22 klys

Too late, DF already did that two threads ago.

I also said it was indefensible.

27 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 5:59:04pm

re: #24 EPR-radar

OT, but incredibly amusing. thedailybeast.com

In which David Frum engages in Ted Cruz political slash.

After reading that fantasy, one is left to wonder just how many boxes of Kleenax did Frum run though to generate that?

Rofl.

28 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:01:20pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

I also said it was indefensible.

You did, and I will grant you that.

But at what point do the repeated “attempts at humor gone wrong” cross the line?

29 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:04:25pm

re: #28 klys

You did, and I will grant you that.

But at what point do the repeated “attempts at humor gone wrong” cross the line?

That Kenya ‘joke’ would have been over the line no matter who told it.

30 theheat  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:04:26pm

The Kenyan communist Muslim schtick is so tired, and so bullshitty. Then you stop to think, “But that’s all they have.” Made-up fantasies to feed to their equally racist, ignorant, cohorts. That’s it. That’s all the depth they have. Well… and their guns and religion. Can’t forget those.

31 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:04:33pm
32 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:05:37pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

That Kenya ‘joke’ would have been over the line no matter who told it.

Effectively dodging the question, very nice.

At what point does the fact that a non-trivial number of Republican elected or party officials have no problem with racist ‘jokes’ like this matter to you, as a Republican?

33 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:06:11pm

Later, lizards.

34 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:07:14pm

The story told by the Roma family about baby “Maria” is validated by DNA.

cbsnews.com

35 Skip Intro  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:07:36pm

re: #5 Kragar

So, when does the NC GOP ask this guy to resign?

Luckily, NC has no shortage of ignorant middle aged white guys to fill in for him.

I was wondering when the job offer from the Heritage Foundation would show up.

36 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:10:07pm

re: #35 Skip Intro

I was wondering when the job offer from the Heritage Foundation would show up.

He’d better make a deal fast. I don’t think they can hire them all.

37 Skip Intro  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:10:24pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

On the positive side,

- Jeff Miller, GOP consultant, CA.

latimes.com

Miller has said ‘Adios’ to the Golden State and has moved to Texas, to aid Rick Perry in his GOP re-branding efforts.

38 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:11:03pm


Its like watching a train derail

39 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:11:58pm

Found this on Cracked. Makes me all space-y.

That’s 3C321, a pair of galaxies where one is blasting hell both into and out of the other. The lower left pink (X-ray) galaxy’s central black hole is aimed so that its jet hits the blue (radio wave) one. Which means that a cosmic fire hose of gamma rays, X-rays, and relativistic particle cannonry blast across the 20,000 light-years between the two. But that’s the black hole equivalent of Bruce Lee’s one-inch punch. And that is the most ass-kicking sentence in existence. The pink/blue bright spot is where this jet is slamming into the side of an entire galaxy, flensing any planets of at least their atmosphere and causing cosmic levels of kickass.

This is the black hole that even NASA scientists call the “Death Star,” and these are people who refer to stellar detonations as “events.” Because when fiction makes a Death Star, it’s much smaller than the real thing.

When reality does it, it’s BIGGER.

40 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:12:00pm

re: #32 klys

Effectively dodging the question, very nice.

At what point does the fact that a non-trivial number of Republican elected or party officials have no problem with racist ‘jokes’ like this matter to you, as a Republican?

I didn’t think that was what you were asking, so please excuse me. It does matter to me, a good bit. But my ability to do something about it is very small, outside of my own state. I can only work to ensure that racists don’t get nominated by the GOP in Illinois, and on that I do my part as best I can.

41 EPR-radar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:12:25pm

re: #24 EPR-radar

OT, but incredibly amusing. thedailybeast.com

In which David Frum engages in Ted Cruz political slash.

After reading that fantasy, one is left to wonder just how many boxes of Kleenax did Frum run though to generate that?

This needs wider exposure. Some choice nuggets:

With the flaming wreck of Marco Rubio’s presidential hopes as a warning beacon, moderate favorite Governor Christie tried to triangulate the immigration issue. Ted Cruz determinedly took a position of all-out opposition. In an interview on Univision, he chatted in Spanish with host Jorge Ramos, then turned to English to deliver a stark message: “This is America. We obey the law. People who can’t deal with that don’t belong here.”

Ted Cruz, however, could offer the vice presidency to Chris Christie—and the Democrats’ post-2014 leftward veer frightened Republican donors enough that they pressed Christie to accept. Unlike Romney in 2012, Cruz’s conservative allegiance could not be questioned, freeing him to write the vaguest platform and conduct the most issue-free campaign of any Republican since George H.W. Bush in 1988. Cruz delivered half his convention speech in Spanish and used the other half to rededicate the party to “the compassion of conservatism,” a subtle variant of an old phrase that delighted convention delegates.

Clinton Democrats took for granted that Cruz was unelectable. They had not appreciated how badly the 2014 recession would hurt them. Disenchanted Latinos and young people stayed home. So did down-market white males, who seemed to react to Clinton with almost visceral dislike. In the presidential election of 2008, almost 58% of eligible voters had turned out, the highest level since the extension of the vote to 18-year-olds. In 2016, turnout dropped below 50% for the first time since 1996.

Underneath all of the amazing fan-fiction, the gist is that Frum would like to see Cruz bullshit and pander his way to the White House.

42 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:13:16pm

re: #39 ProTARDISLiberal

STOP PERSECUTING ME!!!11rty…
…
Nevermind.

43 Political Atheist  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:13:49pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Maybe I missed a comment earlier, but it looks like you got a round to our Avatars.

44 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:14:31pm

I JUST GOT MY FIRST FAKE QUOTE!

45 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:15:15pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

The story told by the Roma family about baby “Maria” is validated by DNA.

cbsnews.com

Meanwhile, literally hundreds of missing Roma children: Nobody in Greece gives a shit.

46 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:18:45pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

47 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:19:48pm

re: #46 jaunte

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Ted Cruz is dressing as ‘Sexy Mountie’ for Halloween.

48 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:20:48pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Ted Cruz is dressing as ‘Sexy Mountie’ for Halloween.

That’s an image I didn’t want in my head.

49 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:20:50pm

Ted Cruz, from the original home of Astroturf, celebrates “grass roots.”

50 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:21:34pm

re: #46 jaunte

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51 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:22:32pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t think that was what you were asking, so please excuse me. It does matter to me, a good bit. But my ability to do something about it is very small, outside of my own state. I can only work to ensure that racists don’t get nominated by the GOP in Illinois, and on that I do my part as best I can.

I’m glad you do what you can in your own state, and I think that is important. But honestly, the thought that you have no impact nationally is bullshit.

What is there about the GOP platform in North Carolina that makes it cater well to racists that’s not present in the national platform? At what point do you say enough is enough when supporting politicians for national office for a party that nationally doesn’t seem to care about the presence of racism (when it isn’t outright encouraging it) as long as it’s not being put out on national TV in plain terms that even low information voters can’t ignore?

Dark, I get that you feel you have a lot invested in the Republican party. I’m sorry.

You know where I gave my piggy bank to when I was 4? It wasn’t a political party. It was earthquake relief in Afghanistan. PEOPLE MATTER. Parties don’t. If you can’t walk away from a party because it matters to you more than its treatment of people based on gender/sexual orientation/skin color - or cavalier acceptance of that treatment as long as the people doing so vote for it - then we’re always going to have very different views. Maybe I feel it more because I’m not the ‘preferred gender’ and so I have some tiny window into what it must be like for people not of the preferred orientation or skin color (because as horrific as the misogyny in this country is, I know it is compounded far more for people who fall into one of those groupings).

I know you’re critical of capable thinking when it’s something a Democrat has said. Please. Just apply it equally.

52 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:23:26pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

That’s an image I didn’t want in my head.

If that’s too much, he can borrow his Dad’s beret and bandoleer and go as “Sexy Cuban Freedom Fighter”.

53 AlexRogan  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:25:20pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

If that’s too much, he can borrow his Dad’s beret and bandoleer and go as “Sexy Cuban Freedom Fighter”.

*hurls chunks*

54 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:25:27pm
55 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:26:49pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

If that’s too much, he can borrow his Dad’s beret and bandoleer and go as “Sexy Cuban Freedom Fighter”.

Stop it, DD. If you make me throw up, I’m going to bill you for a new keyboard.

/semi

56 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:28:01pm
57 EPR-radar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:30:05pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

The comments at the Daily Beast rise to the occasion. The best one so far is this.

I am sorry Mr. Frum. The winner of the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest for 2013 in the Fantasy category has already been chosen.

58 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:31:30pm

re: #56 jaunte

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59 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:31:59pm

re: #56 jaunte

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“If you read…”

Haha, like Cruz supporters can read

60 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:35:52pm

District court Judge, Sandra Watts was flagged for voter fraud because her driver’s license lists her maiden name as her middle name, but her voter registration form lists her real middle name. This was never a problem for Watts during the past 49 years in which she voted with the same identification, containing the same information.

One may be tempted to suggest Watts and other women should have known to coordinate their voter registration card with the state mandated name on their driver’s license. However, we’re talking about Texas. As Watts noted, the state mandated that women use their maiden name as their middle name on their driver’s license in 1964 and the problem with the registration card is a direct result of the new voter ID law.

61 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:40:31pm

re: #60 jaunte

But hey, they can’t commit voter fraud now!!!!!

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62 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:43:28pm

re: #51 klys

Any bets on the likelihood of DF replying to this, given that he’s already replied to something posted afterwards?

Or is this another appeal to human decency consigned to the “does not agree with the Republican platform I have built my identity/life around and therefore will be ignored” bin?

63 Lidane  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:44:19pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Straight up racism.

Otherwise known as the 2013 GOP.

64 Lidane  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:46:19pm

re: #12 freetoken

It’s the end game of the Southern Strategy.

The final step is for the Republicans to openly run on a white nationalist platform. Given their current base’s positions on immigration, voting, civil rights, and a whole host of other issues, they’re damn near there now. All that’s left is exchanging Brooks Brothers suits for Klan robes.

65 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:47:02pm

re: #64 Lidane

The final step is for the Republicans to openly run on a white nationalist platform. Given their current base’s positions on immigration, voting, civil rights, and a whole host of other issues, they’re damn near there now. All that’s left is exchanging Brooks Brothers suits for Klan robes.

Shhhh, we’re not allowed to say that because it’s mean, and nobody will listen to us if we’re mean.

/half

66 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:48:28pm

Professional reportage.

67 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:53:58pm

re: #62 klys

I’m not going to ignore your post, but neither will I reply to it tonight. I am thinking about it, though.

68 EPR-radar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:54:03pm

re: #64 Lidane

The final step is for the Republicans to openly run on a white nationalist platform. Given their current base’s positions on immigration, voting, civil rights, and a whole host of other issues, they’re damn near there now. All that’s left is exchanging Brooks Brothers suits for Klan robes.

The only reason this isn’t happening right now is that the GOP establishment thinks (correctly) that this would ‘damage the brand’, and can’t cope with Teabagger assertiveness on the point of being proud to be a bigot.

The GOP establishment certainly has no credible claim to being on the right side of any of these issues. They need to clean up after the monster they have created.

69 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:55:06pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

I’m not going to ignore your post, but neither will I reply to it tonight. I am thinking about it, though.

Fair enough. I encourage you to think about it, because I believe you are someone who cares about other people and do actually care about evaluating the evidence at hand.

That’s all I can ask.

70 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:59:48pm

Jessica Luther, live-tweeting a Hell House:

…Since 1996, Roberts, pastor of the New Destiny Christian Center in Colorado, has sold more than one thousand Hell House kits to youth pastors and churches. It’s unclear who put on the first-ever Hell House, but Jerry Falwell is generally credited with first popularizing the idea in the 70s, and a documentary made in 2000 brought them further recognition. Roberts’s own Hell House serves as the template for the hundreds of others around the country that are built to the specifications outlined in his kits, which include a DVD of his production, a 300 page instruction manual and a spooky soundtrack.

Roberts’s house typically consists of seven rooms. In each, a different “sin” is played out to its horrid conclusion. Roberts plays a demon. Dressed in a long black robe, with a bumpy grey mask and large black horns, he guides guests from room to room—from a lesbian suicide to a drunk-driving induced car crash to a rave where a church girl takes ecstasy and dies, (the manual suggests the demon tour guide declare here, “just another day at the office!”). The themes vary a bit from year to year, but abortion and damned gay people are constants.
huffingtonpost.com

71 freetoken  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:01:33pm

America’s God-problem, on display.

Again.

72 freetoken  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:02:12pm

re: #66 jaunte

Professional reportage.

“Bell to bell” coverage.

73 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:03:36pm

Here’s the Temple TX “Hell House” website:
templehellhouse.com

74 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:06:14pm

OT I just came from the Apple App site and they have a free upgrade for OSX Mavericks. Has anyone heard anything about this upgrade and is it something I should consider?

75 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:09:27pm
76 freetoken  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:09:44pm

re: #74 PhillyPretzel

The recent Apple event (view it at apple.com) featured this.

I’m on an old version of OSX so I won’t “upgrade.” My iMac can technically run Mavericks, but I’m on 10.5.8 (yeah, I’m one of those) and the online software upgrading requires me to buy into at least 10.6.

Most people seem leery to upgrade and OS until a revision cycles into the product. However, Apple appears to have made some progress in their iOS devices in getting people to jump into the pool on launch.

77 freetoken  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:10:46pm

re: #75 Kragar

Maybe it’d be one of those potato sack races, where each person has one leg in the sack and they’re tied together?

78 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:14:52pm

re: #76 freetoken

Thanks. I too am a bit hesitant but since I will be in King of Prussia, PA tomorrow I will try to ask some Apple people in their store about the “upgrade.”

79 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:15:16pm

re: #78 PhillyPretzel

Thanks. I too am a bit hesitant but since I will be in King of Prussia, PA tomorrow I will try to ask some Apple people in their store about the “upgrade.”

ITS A TRAP!

80 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:17:03pm

re: #79 Kragar

Yes. I am sure it is. But I like to go to King of Prussia because it is close to Valley Forge and they have beautiful fall colors.

81 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:18:13pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Ted Cruz is dressing as ‘Sexy Mountie’ for Halloween.

*User was banned for this post*
/

82 freetoken  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:18:51pm

re: #79 Kragar

ITS A TRAP!

Are you referring to the backdoor trap that the NSA wrote into Mavericks?

☔

83 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:19:15pm

re: #78 PhillyPretzel

Thanks. I too am a bit hesitant but since I will be in King of Prussia, PA tomorrow I will try to ask some Apple people in their store about the “upgrade.”

Charles likes it. For what that may or may not be worth to you.

I no longer run an OSX machine so I can’t say (my MBA is Win7 boot exclusively, for all that I have a Mac partition on it).

84 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:21:19pm

re: #83 klys

Does he have a review of Mavericks? Since it is free I am looking into it.

85 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:22:01pm

Husband’s Japanese hot springs of Tohoku and Hokkaido arrived today.

He is drooling.

I did book a room at the best hot spring in CA for the weekend before our anniversary today. That would be next weekend.

86 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:22:43pm

re: #84 PhillyPretzel

Does he have a review of Mavericks? Since it is free I am looking into it.

He’s mentioned that’s he’s very happy with in a couple of threads - particularly the improvements to Safari - but I don’t think he’s written a review or linked to any, although my memory may be off.

87 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:23:24pm

re: #85 klys

Husband’s Japanese hot springs of Tohoku and Hokkaido arrived today.

He is drooling.

I did book a room at the best hot spring in CA for the weekend before our anniversary today. That would be next weekend.

Can I come?
I’ll hide in the luggage.
Kthx.

88 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:23:32pm

re: #86 klys

Okay. That makes it something I should consider. Thanks.

89 Skip Intro  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:23:51pm

re: #74 PhillyPretzel

OT I just came from the Apple App site and they have a free upgrade for OSX Mavericks. Has anyone heard anything about this upgrade and is it something I should consider?

I like it, although for some reason my battery life is worse now than it used to be. I don’t understand this because everything I’ve read says it should be just the opposite.

A big plus is that everything feels much faster on my 2-3 year old 13” MBP.

91 AlexRogan  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:24:52pm

re: #84 PhillyPretzel

Does he have a review of Mavericks? Since it is free I am looking into it.

He was pimping Ars Technica’s review the other day:
OS X 10.9 Mavericks: The Ars Technica Review

92 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:26:17pm

re: #87 Varek Raith

Can I come?
I’ll hide in the luggage.
Kthx.

Haha. I adore this place.

They provide a gourmet kitchen so you bring and cook your own food, it’s off the grid so you totally unplug, three flumes of water under a roof at 100, 104, and 108 (+/- 2 degrees, F) and one outdoor hot pool, plus a giant cold pool. Plenty of hiking trails.

It is pretty much as fantastic as you can imagine.

93 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:27:15pm

re: #70 jaunte

Jessica Luther, live-tweeting a Hell House:

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A friend of mine was actually made to play a lesbian in her fundie church play and welp she figured out she really was a lesbian. Good going, fundies!

94 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:28:32pm

re: #93 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

A friend of mine was actually made to play a lesbian in her fundie church play and welp she figured out she really was a lesbian. Good going, fundies!

A friend of mine figured out she was bi when she was prank called/bullied in middle school, with people implying that she liked a girl.

95 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:31:17pm

Thanks for the information. Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

96 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:31:38pm

The first circle of Hell House:

97 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:32:47pm

re: #96 jaunte

The first circle of Hell House:

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You don’t. May as well preemptively call the cops.
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98 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:33:20pm
99 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:37:16pm
100 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:38:40pm

re: #99 jaunte

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You know what Ted, you’re right.
/troll

101 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:40:27pm
102 freetoken  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:43:44pm

re: #101 jaunte

I wonder if Catholic churches should start having PURGATORY HOUSES on Halloween, where you have to pay to get out rather than get in.

103 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:45:02pm
104 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 7:59:22pm
105 freetoken  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:02:12pm

re: #104 jaunte

Youtube Video

106 freetoken  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:03:14pm

Well to Hell

107 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:06:32pm

re: #105 freetoken

I think they reused that audio here:

108 piratedan  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:13:10pm

re: #107 jaunte

since this is Texas, what are they using to scare the Children… Obama’s first or 2nd inauguration speech?

109 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:14:34pm
110 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:15:58pm
111 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:25:29pm
112 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:26:47pm

re: #111 jaunte

Fundamentalists: taking the fun out of Hallowe’en since the year 33.

113 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:27:23pm
114 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:29:30pm

re: #99 jaunte

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To be fair, no Republican candidate ever admits this. There’s always a myth of consistency and integrity even as they’re palpably shifting position.

The difference is that they actually leave some room to maneuver to the center in the general. Maybe that just means talking about abortion, gays and illegal aliens a little less. Cruz can’t possibly do this because unlike the past couple of R candidates he has no history even approaching centrism. Most importantly running for President is about running to run the government, and the minority of people who back Cruz hate the government. For him shifting simply wouldn’t be believable, or tolerated by his base. He can rule it out because as unpopular as he is outside of the hard core TP fringe there’s no way in hell he survives a primary fight or gets picked to be a running mate.

His entire schtick depends on being, and remaining an outsider.

115 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:32:22pm

I just wanted to see how my avatar looked in round. Carry on.

Oh, by the way, apropos of nothing: I’m not at all a violent person, and I think the last time I punched someone was in the 7th grade. But they play Fox News at my office’s fitness center, and God help me, even with the sound off, the expression on Greg Gutfield’s face when he talks makes me want to haul off and smack him in the face. I presume that actually hearing what he’s saying wouldn’t make things any better.

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ETA: Cool. It’s a cameo portait of a gorilla.

116 Aqua Obama  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:33:35pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

To be fair, no Republican candidate ever admits this. There’s always a myth of consistency and integrity even as they’re palpably shifting position.

…

His entire schtick depends on being, and remaining an outsider.

A schtick that Republicans have already shamelessly subverted. If I remember my history correctly, Reagan campaigned as an outsider during his second goddamn presidential campaign.

117 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:33:55pm

re: #115 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Roger Ailes must have some kind of aggro-meter that measures facial troll potential.

118 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:37:35pm
119 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:39:04pm

re: #116 Aqua Obama

A schtick that Republicans have already shamelessly subverted. If I remember my history correctly, Reagan campaigned as an outsider during his second goddamn presidential campaign.

I think it goes with their whole disdain of Washington thing that they love to play up for their base. I remember Bush acting like an outsider in 2000 even though his father had been president and his grandfather a senator. In my observations, Democrats are more comfortable playing the insider card. Honestly, while I understand why people may like the outsider schtick, I find it tacyk, I mean I hate hearing about “East coast elites” all the while hearing policy proposals that will only benefit another elite.

120 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:41:00pm
121 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:41:39pm

re: #120 Kragar

I just tweeted BJF back with “Jealous?”

122 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:41:51pm

I think Bryan thought he had a real chance with Shep.

123 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:42:31pm

re: #121 wheat-dogghazi

I just tweeted BJF back with “Jealous?”

Fox might have one gay employee, rendering the whole network dead to Bryan Fischer.

124 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:43:39pm

re: #121 wheat-dogghazi

I just tweeted BJF back with “Jealous?”

That’s how it read to me. Anyhow. If Shep wants to date a guy half his age, go for it. I always thought Smith was one of the few decent people on FNC.

125 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:44:27pm

re: #123 Kragar

Fox might have one gay employee, rendering the whole network dead to Bryan Fischer.

It’s also somehow a gay agenda when a gossip site confirms office gossip. Bryan must be upset because his rentboy discovered who he actually is like Ted Haggard’s lover did.

126 Aqua Obama  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:45:00pm

re: #118 jaunte

That reminds me, a family member knows a couple that moved back to New Jersey from Texas after a year because they couldn’t stand the bigotry and casual acceptance of suicide in the school system. The husband is a pastor, so whatever brand of Christianity they have down there is toxic even to co-coreligionists.

127 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:47:13pm

re: #126 Aqua Obama

It’s been getting stranger for the past 30 years or so.

128 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:48:05pm
129 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:49:02pm

re: #126 Aqua Obama

That reminds me, a family member knows a couple that moved back to New Jersey from Texas after a year because they couldn’t stand the bigotry and casual acceptance of suicide in the school system. The husband is a pastor, so whatever brand of Christianity they have down there is toxic even to co-coreligionists.

I’m not surprised that it seems to be accepted. Anyone remember that Arkansas school board member that wrote on his facebook that he actually wished LGBT teens would kill themselves. The right wing fundie reaction to homosexuality seems to be “You’re a terrible person and we’re only going to shame you relentlessly for it.” The normal reaction says “Okay, this is who you are and you don’t need to feel ashamed of it.” I always have had a great deal of empathy for LGBT people. I was a shy kid who struggled with eye contact. To some morons that meant “I was gay.” There’s part of this country that I think absolutely gets it on LGBT people and another part that I think were not for the 50’s and 60’s would still be happily segregating their students by race.

130 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:49:14pm

re: #120 Kragar

You had to know this was coming once Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert actually acknowledged that he was (once upon a time) a journalist.

131 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:49:23pm

re: #116 Aqua Obama

A schtick that Republicans have already shamelessly subverted. If I remember my history correctly, Reagan campaigned as an outsider during his second goddamn presidential campaign.

Cultivating a reputation as an outsider and succeeding in shutting down the government are two very different things. Running as an outsider is about exploiting unhappiness regarding the status quo and aspects of government. Cruz’s followers are a weird, unstable confluence of anarcho-capitalist and Christian fundamentalist. Also, Reagan had charisma, while Cruz has one of the most punchable faces in history.

132 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:49:36pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

The “move towards the center” is regarded as a truism in presidential elections and is by now old hat enough that the media bet on when it’ll happen rather than criticize it.

Your point on Ted Cruz is dead on. He’s as much the “permanent opposition figure” as Ron Paul has been. Other Republicans in the Senate such as Marco Rubio and Lamar Alexander have things they want to accomplish and they are willing to accept some responsibility and do needed spadework to get those things done. Ted Cruz just wants to point to a magical perfection and then wail in a childlike manner “Why aren’t we there yet?!” If he ever had to take responsibility and do real legislative work his aura of purity would collapse and his most fervent followers would desert him, for they seek only purity, never real action.

133 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:51:10pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

Make sure that you don’t say too much true shit about Cruz now, otherwise you’re going to be faced with the awkward possibility of having to pretend you didn’t, like what happened with Romney, when you called him a complete fake and had to rescind that after he won the nomination.

The GOP is stupid and cruel enough to give the nod to Cruz.

134 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:52:09pm

re: #127 jaunte

It’s been getting stranger for the past 30 years or so.

re: #127 jaunte

It’s been getting stranger for the past 30 years or so.

Yeah, I think there’s more fundamentalist religious zealots than there was 30 years ago. I can’t accurately say that for sure though given I wasn’t around 30 years ago. On the flip side, there’s a rise in a more secular mindset but it’s just too bad that the loud voice of religion in this country has been replaced with people like Fischer. I know that Fischer doesn’t represent all Christians or even all Evangelicals but the loud ones sound more like him than they do people who value people.

135 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:53:27pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

The “move towards the center” is regarded as a truism in presidential elections and is by now old hat enough that the media bet on when it’ll happen rather than criticize it.

Your point on Ted Cruz is dead on. He’s as much the “permanent opposition figure” as Ron Paul has been. Other Republicans in the Senate such as Marco Rubio and Lamar Alexander have things they want to accomplish and they are willing to accept some responsibility and do needed spadework to get those things done. Ted Cruz just wants to point to a magical perfection and then wail in a childlike manner “Why aren’t we there yet?!” If he ever had to take responsibility and do real legislative work his aura of purity would collapse and his most fervent followers would desert him, for they seek only purity, never real action.

I’m sorry if it feels like I’m harping on you for this. I’m not picking on you for the sake of picking on you, I’m asking because I genuinely think the cognitive dissonance is beneath you:

When push comes to shove, when rhetoric and fundraising is on the line, even a lot of these “moderate” Republicans are supporting Ted Cruz.

Even if it is what you say they need to do in order to get elected (and I get the not elected = no power thing), there has to be a breaking point, a point where they could move and be a conservative Democrat (those do exist) and get elected and not be shelling out their moral soul/center/integrity to get themselves elected.

At what point are we there? Where do we draw the line?

136 Aqua Obama  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:53:58pm

Oh wow, I found an ATM on my banking receipts that actually charges for balance inquiries. That’s obscene.

137 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:58:06pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

It’s also somehow a gay agenda when a gossip site confirms office gossip. Bryan must be upset because his rentboy discovered who he actually is like Ted Haggard’s lover did.

That assumes that Gawker is correct and truth to tell I kind of hope its attempt to out Smith falls flat, since he’s not a gay-hater and does not deserve to be held up to ridicule just to increase a gossip site’s page view totals.

But even if they are right, the correct answer to Bryan Fischer is: “So the fuck what?!! Sheppard Smith isn’t hurting anyone with his actions, so which consenting adult he chooses to romance is not problematic at all. Grow up, you bigoted fool!”

138 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 8:59:00pm

The ATM scam is outrageous. Remember when they first started? They didn’t want bank tellers sucking up all their profits so they gave us the ATM. Was supposed to lower our banking costs.

139 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:00:05pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

That assumes that Gawker is correct and truth to tell I kind of hope its attempt to out Smith falls flat, since he’s not a gay-hater and does not deserve to be held up to ridicule just to increase a gossip site’s page view totals.

But even if they are right, the correct answer to Bryan Fischer is: “So the fuck what?!! Sheppard Smith isn’t hurting anyone with his actions, so which consenting adult he chooses to romance is not problematic at all. Grow up, you bigoted fool!”

I don’t know if they’re trying to out him because of his employer. But yeah, why the hell should Bryan care what a grown man does with another grown man. His obsession with other people’s sexual behavior isn’t healthy.

140 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:00:19pm

re: #136 Aqua Obama

Oh wow, I found an ATM on my banking receipts that actually charges for balance inquiries. That’s obscene.

Oh man how lame is that.

141 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:05:13pm

re: #133 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Actually, I don’t have to worry about that because earlier this month Ted Cruz joined Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann on a short and very special list: The List of Republicans I Would Never Vote For, Period. If it were Ted Cruz vs. Hillary Clinton for president, I’d vote for Mrs. Clinton. I’d hate having to vote for a liberal Democrat, but making sure the presidency is occupied by a sane person is more important than ideology.

142 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:07:38pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

Actually, i don’t have to worry about that because earlier this month Ted Cruz joined Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann on a short and very special list: The List of Republicans I Would >Never Vote For, Period. If it were Ted Cruz vs. Hillary Clinton for president, I’d vote for Mrs. Clinton. I’d hate having to vote for a liberal Democrat, but making sure the presidency is occupied by a sane person is more important than ideology.

WHERE IS DARK AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH HIM?
/

143 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:12:22pm

His avatar is different…

144 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:12:43pm

re: #142 Kragar

WHERE IS DARK AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH HIM?
/

I’m still here. It’s just that Ted Cruz has shown himself to be a dangerous lunatic, and I’m not going to cast a vote for someone I know to be a lunatic again.

145 piratedan  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:12:55pm

re: #138 Amory Blaine

The ATM scam is outrageous. Remember when they first started? They didn’t want bank tellers sucking up all their profits so they gave us the ATM. Was supposed to lower our banking costs.

sounds like someone needs to shop for a new bank… and/or report this to the Consumer protection agency

146 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:14:38pm

Hmm all our avatars are different.

147 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:15:13pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

I’m still here. It’s just that Ted Cruz has shown himself to be a dangerous lunatic, and I’m not going to cast a vote for someone I know to be a lunatic again.

Again?

148 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:15:24pm

re: #146 Amory Blaine

Hmm all our avatars are different.

Really? I still have my Prohibition repeal sign from Fells Point here. Odd.

149 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:16:16pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

I’m still here. It’s just that Ted Cruz has shown himself to be a dangerous lunatic, and I’m not going to cast a vote for someone I know to be a lunatic again.

Cruz, I suspect, believes he is on a mission for God. It makes him even more dangerous.

150 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:17:05pm

re: #143 Amory Blaine

His avatar is different…

Just consider this my Alternate Configuration.

151 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:18:05pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Your avatar actually looks better round. Need to update..

152 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:18:30pm

re: #149 wheat-dogghazi

Cruz, I suspect, believes he is on a mission for God. It makes him even more dangerous.

I think he plays up the God angle myself. He’s a pandering demagogue. He’s not like Palin who is a genuine idiot. Cruz is on paper at least anyhow a well educated guy. But then again Bobby Jindal is a Rhodes Scholar and was engaged with exorcisms so who knows Cruz’s religious zealotry may be very real.

153 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:22:07pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

I think he plays up the God angle myself. He’s a pandering demagogue. He’s not like Palin who is a genuine idiot. Cruz is on paper at least anyhow a well educated guy. But then again Bobby Jindal is a Rhodes Scholar and was engaged with exorcisms so who knows Cruz’s religious zealotry may be very real.

His daddy is an evangelical preacher, and even nuttier.

154 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:23:14pm

re: #153 wheat-dogghazi

His daddy is an evangelical preacher, and even nuttier.

True I have seen the rantings of the elder Cruz. Nutbar.

155 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:25:41pm

re: #147 wrenchwench

Again?

I voted for Alan Keyes instead of Obama for Senator from Illinois back in 2004 and Bill Brady for Governor in 2010. But after watching the sane Mark Kirk win while Brady lost and listening to Michele Bachmann’s anti-vaccine rants during the GOP primary debates I realized that both of those votes were mistakes. Mistakes that I will not repeat.

156 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:28:08pm

re: #149 wheat-dogghazi

Cruz, I suspect, believes he is on a mission for God. It makes him even more dangerous.

You know who else was on a mission from God?

157 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:35:06pm

Rep. Marsha Blackburn goes to pieces when asked specifics on Obamacare criticism

On CNN Friday, Costello attempted to ask Blackburn what information is being illegally shared in the Obamacare exchanges, saying, “So what specifically were you referring to on the website that violates, that could possibly violate HIPAA?”

“Carol, HIPAA requires you to…,” Blackburn began, then changed direction. “It’s the way you structure your website and the way you transit the information, the transfer rights that are there, and when you look at privacy on these websites, what you have to do is keep all of the application information in one server…and then you have to, whether it is a physical server or a cloud server…”

Costello attempted to stem the flow of words, “I’m trying to understand what kind of information you’re talking about,” she said. “What kind of information are you talking about? What specifically does the website ask that I might be afraid might shared with whomever? Specifically. What information?”

“You should be very concerned not only as you navigate the website but as you make a purchase, and then as your information is handled,” Blackburn said, ducking the question. “What we want to make certain is that an individual’s medical information, their financial information is all going to be kept in a private manner. What we do not want is a peeping Tom who is going to look through their PII, their personal identifying information…”

“But HIPAA has to do with medical records,” Costello said. “The only medical questions it asks is ‘Do you smoke?’”

158 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:35:20pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

Jesus?

159 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:37:18pm

re: #157 Kragar

Rep. Marsha Blackburn goes to pieces when asked specifics on Obamacare criticism

I believe this is the same derp-dummy who inadvertently made the case for higher minimum wage by using her own higher adjusted for inflation wage from the late 60’s. These are the people that should be being primaried not people who dare to think President Obama isn’t a Kenyan Muslim unsurper.

160 piratedan  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:41:54pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I believe this is the same derp-dummy who inadvertently made the case for higher minimum wage by using her own higher adjusted for inflation wage from the late 60’s. These are the people that should be being primaried not people who dare to think President Obama isn’t a Kenyan Muslim unsurper.

she’s part of that christian theologian/doctrinaire crowd… Trent Franks, Virginia Foxx, Bachmann, people that I fear couldn’t pass an 8th grade civics test… I loathe them because they’re excellent dupes for that entire ALEC crowd that has some sortt of Leave It To Beaver fantasyland that they want to impose on us all.

161 plansbandc  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:47:50pm

Been dragged down by the Teabagistani facebook horde again. I want to thank all of you for being my sanity safety net on the interwebs.

162 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:53:57pm

re: #157 Kragar

“the way you transit the information, the transfer rights that are there”*

*Genuine frontier technobabble.

163 gwangung  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:55:48pm

re: #162 jaunte

*Genuine frontier technobabble.

Did she watch too many bad Star Trek: TNG episodes?

164 jaunte  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:56:31pm

re: #163 gwangung

She just can’t handle that much dilithium.

165 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:57:20pm

re: #164 jaunte

She just can’t handle that much dilithium Romulan ale.

Dilithium be fatal, laddie!

166 darthstar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 9:59:56pm
167 darthstar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 10:00:20pm

And Bill Gates knows a thing or two about glitches.

168 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 10:00:29pm

Cache of Halloween candy detected. Commence raid.

169 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 10:14:06pm

Image: Scotty_Red_Shirt.jpg

170 Lidane  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 10:19:54pm

re: #120 Kragar

Shep Smith is the only anchor on Fox that’s even remotely tolerable, and even then it’s in very limited doses. If he happens to be gay or bi and sets Bryan Fischer’s teeth on edge, so much the better.

171 Lidane  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 10:23:02pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

Why in the hell would anyone cast a ballot for Alan Keyes? The man is such a hateful excuse for a human being he disowned his own child for being gay.

173 ausador  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 10:47:18pm

Damn you Internet Archive, why do you let me watch this horribly depressing news footage of 9-11 whenever I want to wallow in the blues? And why do you keep reminding me how completely clueless Tom Brokaw is as an anchorman?

It took almost six minutes after the first tower fell as giant clouds of dust and smoke billowed high enough to envelope the towers of lower Manhattan as shown by the live broadcast cameras for NBC to even mention it happening. It was Matt Lauer who finally broke into Tom’s self absorbed monologue and suggested that they actually look at and discuss what everyone watching the broadcast had already seen minutes beforehand.

174 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 10:52:45pm

re: #173 ausador

Damn you Internet Archive, why do you let me watch this horribly depressing news footage of 9-11 whenever I want to wallow in the blues? And why do you keep reminding me how completely clueless Tom Brokaw is as an anchorman?

It took almost six minutes after the first tower fell as giant clouds of dust and smoke billowed high enough to envelope the towers of lower Manhattan as shown by the live broadcast cameras for NBC to even mention it happening. It was Matt Lauer who finally broke into Tom’s self absorbed monologue and suggested that they actually look at and discuss what everyone watching the broadcast had already seen minutes beforehand.

My shop didn’t have TVs when it happened. We heard it by word of mouth at first. When someone said a plane hit the WTC, we thought it was some student pilot in a Cesna.

175 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 11:00:29pm

Spent most of that day securing facilities and monitoring for cyber attacks. I didn’t get to see any of the footage until that evening.

176 ausador  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 11:01:04pm

re: #174 Kragar

My shop didn’t have TVs when it happened. We heard it by word of mouth at first. When someone said a plane hit the WTC, we thought it was some student pilot in a Cesna.

I had returned my cable box because when I had free time I was always on the computer, I hadn’t turned on the TV for months.

So on the morning of 9-11 when I got a phone call about what was going on I immediately drove to the local cable office and got a box again. For the next 24 hours or so I was either glued to the tv screen or the computer monitor.

177 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 11:02:12pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

I voted for Alan Keyes instead of Obama for Senator from Illinois back in 2004 and Bill Brady for Governor in 2010. But after watching the sane Mark Kirk win while Brady lost and listening to Michele Bachmann’s anti-vaccine rants during the GOP primary debates I realized that both of those votes were mistakes. Mistakes that I will not repeat.

Oh, my god. Dark IS the Crazification Factor.

178 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 11:04:39pm

re: #157 Kragar

Rep. Marsha Blackburn goes to pieces when asked specifics on Obamacare criticism

Yeah, well. You know that on the Right, they’re playing that same clip, talking about how Blackburn put that anchor in her place.

179 klys  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 11:23:50pm

re: #174 Kragar

My shop didn’t have TVs when it happened. We heard it by word of mouth at first. When someone said a plane hit the WTC, we thought it was some student pilot in a Cesna.

That’s what we thought when the professor mentioned it in class, just as we were going into break. We didn’t realize what was actually happening until we turned the TV on to see the first tower come down.

And then the walk back to the high school (I was in the morning college class for juniors twice a week) to find out who had parents there that they were frantically trying to reach.

180 ausador  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 11:30:16pm

re: #174 Kragar

My shop didn’t have TVs when it happened. We heard it by word of mouth at first. When someone said a plane hit the WTC, we thought it was some student pilot in a Cesna.

Well if you ever want to know what you missed, or just want to refresh your outrage….

ABC, BBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NBC broadcast recordings for the 11th through the 13th of September…
archive.org

The newer expanded archive with recordings from 20 TV stations for a full 7 days starting with 9-11…
archive.org

181 Kragar  Fri, Oct 25, 2013 11:59:38pm

re: #180 ausador

Nope, don’t want to go there.

Instead, I’m trying to work out a paint scheme I did about 8 years ago and trying to recreate it using completely different materials.

182 freetoken  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 12:05:15am

MP3 Audio

183 freetoken  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 12:36:12am

MP3 Audio

184 freetoken  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 12:57:07am

Our world - a bottomless well of magical thinking:

Maid held in Saudi for sorcery

Saudi Arabia’s feared religious police arrested an Indonesian housemaid on charges of casting a magic spell on a family of 18 members.

Members of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice seized the maid after she was reported by her employers in the central town of Al Rass.

A search of the house resulted in finding beads, threads, needles, amulets and other magic items hidden by the unnamed maid in various parts of the employer’s house.

“The maid was accused of casting a magic spell on the 18 members of the Saudi family… she confessed to having practiced sorcery on the family,” Sabq daily said, quoting Commission spokesman Abdullah Al Mansoor.

[…]

That 1700 year old Roman tablet I linked to earlier doesn’t seem so ancient and out of date anymore, eh?

185 ausador  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 1:12:55am

re: #184 freetoken

“The maid was accused of casting a magic spell on the 18 members of the Saudi family… she confessed to having practiced sorcery on the family,” Sabq daily said, quoting Commission spokesman Abdullah Al Mansoor.

“All we had to do was strip her, lock her upright in a cell too small to lay or even sit down in at 64 degrees Fahrenheit for 24 hours and then beat the arches of her feet with a wooden rod and she readily confessed everything about her evil witchcraft to us. - Abdullah Al Mansoor” (not an actual quote, but extremely likely to be true nonetheless)

Sigh…

186 freetoken  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 1:29:31am

This one goes out to magic casters everywhere:

MP3 Audio

187 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 1:30:55am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

Actually, I don’t have to worry about that because earlier this month Ted Cruz joined Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann on a short and very special list: The List of Republicans I Would >Never Vote For, Period. If it were Ted Cruz vs. Hillary Clinton for president, I’d vote for Mrs. Clinton. I’d hate having to vote for a liberal Democrat, but making sure the presidency is occupied by a sane person is more important than ideology.

Psssstt. If you vote Hillary, you still haven’t voted for a liberal Democrat.

188 Kragar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 2:01:00am

re: #186 freetoken

This one goes out to magic casters everywhere:

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Youtube Video

189 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 2:15:39am

re: #187 Decatur Deb

Psssstt. If you vote Hillary, you still haven’t voted for a liberal Democrat.

Exactly.

And despite all the RWNJ bleating to the contrary, voting for Obama wasn’t a vote for a liberal Democrat either.

190 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 2:19:30am

re: #189 Lidane

Exactly.

And despite all the RWNJ bleating to the contrary, voting for Obama wasn’t a vote for a liberal Democrat either.

And I’ll have to work as hard for her as I did for him, to keep the rabid baboons away from the detonators.

193 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 2:51:52am

I like Bashir.

194 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 2:52:17am

re: #192 Varek Raith

Martin Bashir challenges Alan Grayson: How many activists has the Tea Party killed?

If they succeed in gutting ACA, they will produce tens of thousands of early deaths over the next ten years. Conservatively.

195 freetoken  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 3:01:17am

re: #191 Varek Raith

Why do you hate America?

196 freetoken  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 3:04:36am

This goes out to all you America-haters, so you know what a real American sounds like, singing a pro-American song:

MP3 Audio

197 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 3:10:48am

Lol.

“And Jesus said to his followers, ‘be as obnoxious as possible so the world will hate you and you can pretend to be persecuted”~1 Baloney 3:16

198 Flounder  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 3:46:06am

Good morning, coffee is on, the damned dog kicked me outta bed.

199 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 3:48:45am

XD
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200 Flounder  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 3:51:38am

re: #191 Varek Raith

In NY, anything over 5 gallons must be reported.

201 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 5:18:16am

re: #198 Flounder

Good morning, coffee is on, the damned dog kicked me outta bed.

he didn’t know where the coffee filters were??

202 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 5:20:20am

It’s crunchy outside this morning.
I don’t like it…

203 Flounder  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 5:20:55am

re: #201 sattv4u2

It was more of an implied threat, get up or I will poop in your red wings.

204 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 5:24:44am

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s crunchy outside this morning.
I don’t like it…

Someone sprinkle Rice Krispies on your lawn??

205 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 5:27:32am

re: #204 sattv4u2

Someone sprinkle Rice Krispies on your lawn??

heh…

206 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 5:29:31am

Well, the elections here in the Czech Republic have wrapped up, and the votes are being tallied. It’ll take several hours at least until we see what will take shape, as voting here is done very much the old-fashioned way - paper ballots and an indelible ink pen - but it should be interesting.

bbc.co.uk

207 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 5:51:21am

So—I did point out that this guy Pittman is some kind of pastor, right?

These guys give the word a whole new meaning.

Anyway, I get up this am and no internet connection. Tried reconnecting the modem eleventy times. Call Charter and was told they’d make an appt for Mon (even though it showed all connections were not working for the other apts, either). This happens all the time, and if I could get something other than Charter or AT&T, I would.

Well, I went off, in a controlled way, and said that was entirely unacceptable. That it obviously wasn’t just in my apt with my equipment. Let me talk to a supervisor. And that I wanted some cash credit since this was the 2nd time it had happened this month. Not to mention that a neighbor makes his living working from home.

So I tell the supervisor, this is the age of instant messaging, right? Can’t you get the locals the msg that we’re all out over here? That was at 7:10 this; it just came back up. And I didn’t have to wait until Mon.

I’ll wait to see if I get any cash credit for my trouble. The bad thing is, this happens frequently, and I wonder why people are bitching about ACA having a few glitches when a damned “communications co” can’t get things right all the time. Oh, I see—it’s the govt, not private enterprise—which gets how much money from govt anyway in subsidies?

208 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 5:55:11am

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s crunchy outside this morning.
I don’t like it…

It’s only 30 here in sunny NC…I had to turn the heat on for the first time.

Just looked—sun’s up and frost still on the ground.

209 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:00:33am

re: #171 Lidane

Why in the hell would anyone cast a ballot for Alan Keyes? The man is such a hateful excuse for a human being he disowned his own child for being gay.

I didn’t know that had happened till after the election. Had I known beforehand, I would not have voted for him.

210 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:03:33am

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t know that had happened till after the election. Had I known beforehand, I would not have voted for him.

Why would you vote for him anyway?

211 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:07:38am

re: #210 Justanotherhuman

Why would you vote for him anyway?

Because I considered casting no vote for the office to be a vote for Obama, a liberal Democrat (however he has governed as president, he ran for the Senate as a liberal in 2004). And I valued Keyes’ opposition to the big-government liberalism that Obama represented.

212 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:17:06am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

But Keyes is and was an obvious nutjob carpetbatter, someone who opposes abortion even to save a mother’s life, a corrupt jerk who paid himself something like eight thousand bucks a month while campaigning,, wanted to completely get rid of the income tax, etc. etc.

213 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:22:21am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Because I considered casting no vote for the office to be a vote for Obama, a liberal Democrat (however he has governed as president, he ran for the Senate as a liberal in 2004). And I valued Keyes’ opposition to the big-government liberalism that Obama represented.

So, you just had a kneejerk reaction to Barack Obama without fully checking out Keyes’ character?

That’s pretty pathetic, really.

214 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:33:05am

This is the kind of bullshit I hate “activists” doing.

Greenpeace activist dangles from Eiffel Tower in Russia protest

reuters.com

I don’t like many things about drilling for oil, either on land or at sea, and want to see more energy alternatives and an eventual cessation of oil drilling, but the fact is, these “activists” trespassed and attempted to wreak a bit of havoc on the Gazprom oil platform, an illegal act, rather than go through lengthy legal proceedings and trying to get the public educated about oil drilling. BTW, how much do those Greenpeace ships use in fuel consumption, anyway?

Then, this joker trespasses on the Eiffel Tower.

215 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:38:07am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Because I considered casting no vote for the office to be a vote for Obama, a liberal Democrat (however he has governed as president, he ran for the Senate as a liberal in 2004). And I valued Keyes’ opposition to the big-government liberalism that Obama represented.

Sometimes, not voting is the better option.

And Keyes is a lunatic anyway. He ran for the Senate at least three times but he’s against the direct election of Senators. Figure that out.

216 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:40:46am

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

Reuters is saying the Social Democrats have taken an early lead.

217 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:45:53am

re: #216 Justanotherhuman

Reuters is saying the Social Democrats have taken an early lead.

Yes, but it’s a pretty thin one. With about 49% of the votes counted, the Social Democrats are at 22%, a new party called “ANO” (Yes) is at 19% - they’re ostensibly center-right, the Communists are at 16%, TOP09 - also center-right - is at 10% and the classic center-right party, Civic Democrats, are at 7%.

Interesting election, and this new center-right party, ANO, is doing quite well for a brand spanking new political party.

218 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:48:19am

re: #213 Justanotherhuman

No, I thought I knew who Keyes really was. I was wrong. And remember that this was back in 2004. I’m not who I was 9 years ago.

219 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:50:23am

re: #217 Dr Lizardo

Yes, but it’s a pretty thin one. With about 49% of the votes counted, the Social Democrats are at 22%, a new party called “ANO” (Yes) is at 19% - they’re ostensibly center-right, the Communists are at 16%, TOP09 - center.right - is at 10% and the classic center-right party, Civic Democrats, are at 7%.

Interesting election, and this new center-right party, ANO, is doing quite well for a brand spanking new political party.

Well, here’s to the center-right parties (raises soda can) and may the damn commies and the even-worse fascist far-right go to Perdition.

220 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:51:24am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

No, I thought I knew who Keyes really was. I was wrong. And remember that this was back in 2004. I’m not who I was 9 years ago.

Also, you are not who you will be in nine more years. Be prepared to dislike Mark Kirk.

: )

221 darthstar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:51:47am

Good morning everyone else.


222 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:54:20am

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

Well, here’s to the center-right parties (raises soda can) and may the damn commies and the even-worse fascist far-right go to Perdition.

Still early though; I’m watching the live news, and they noted that the Communist stronghold areas, in the Northwest of the Czech Republic, have not reported in yet. Typically, there are three regions up there where the Communists routinely receive 70%+ of the vote.

So as they pointed out, those numbers may change once those three regions report in. My region hasn’t reported in yet either, and this region is strongly left-wing, but more for the Social Democrats than the Communists, though the two parties are in a formal coalition here.

223 Linda1961  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:55:25am

re: #207 Justanotherhuman

I hate Charter with a passion.

224 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:04:18am

One new party that’s also doing well is “Usvít” (Dawn). They were founded only five months ago by Senator Tomio Okamura. Like “ANO”, they also campaigned on an anti-corruption platform. Ideologically, they’re pretty much straight-up centrist.

225 b.d.  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:05:10am

I’m confused.

Do they want us to and/or are we supposed to watch the DudeBagger Don’t watch Us rally or not?

226 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:05:29am


And on that note, I’m going to try and sneak in a couple of more hours of sleep.

227 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:07:30am

re: #221 darthstar

Good morning everyone else.

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228 darthstar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:13:36am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

He’s the Joe-the not plumber of the medical field. Looking for publicity. For now, he’ll have to put up with simple mockery.

229 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:30:55am

In the Czech elections, it looks like a coalition between the Social Democrats and this new center-right party “ANO” could be a distinct possiblity. With 87% of the votes counted, these two parties have emerged as the strongest.

ANO has said they’re open to a coalition with the Social Democrats; it wouldn’t be the first time here having a center-left/center-right coalition government.

230 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:36:55am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

In the Czech elections, it looks like a coalition between the Social Democrats and this new center-right party “ANO” could be a distinct possiblity. With 87% of the votes counted, these two parties have emerged as the strongest.

ANO has said they’re open to a coalition with the Social Democrats; it wouldn’t be the first time here having a center-left/center-right coalition government.

Czech Social Democrat leader expects tough talks on new government

reuters.com

And this tweet:

Leader of Czech political party ANO recommends his party stay out of new government; on track to win 2nd-most votes - @Reuters

231 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:37:36am

Czech politics just became very interesting.

232 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:44:11am

ANO founded by billionaire Andrej Babis.

Czech ANO leader recommends party stay out of new government

reuters.com

Sounds like some of our own billionaires. praguepost.com

233 darthstar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:46:56am

Ha!

234 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:47:05am

re: #230 Justanotherhuman

Czech Social Democrat leader expects tough talks on new government

reuters.com

And this tweet:

Leader of Czech political party ANO recommends his party stay out of new government; on track to win 2nd-most votes - @Reuters

That is interesting; I haven’t heard that reported on the news.

Perhaps he wishes to have ANO act as an opposition party.

The only other partners for the Social Democrats are either TOP09 or the Communists, or they’ll have to try to go it alone as a minority government.

235 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:54:18am

re: #225 b.d.

I’m confused.

Do they want us to and/or are we supposed to watch the DudeBagger Don’t watch Us rally or not?

Haha, you can follow it here:

ustream.tv

Starts at noon. I guess some people will go to anything.

236 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:55:26am

re: #234 Dr Lizardo

That is interesting; I haven’t heard that reported on the news.

Perhaps he wishes to have ANO act as an opposition party.

The only other partners for the Social Democrats are either TOP09 or the Communists, or they’ll have to try to go it alone as a minority government.

He may fear his party losing its identity if it enters a coalition with a party of the left after its first election. Such fears aren’t groundless, since ANO is a brand new party and has not developed the support structure and sense of identity that established parties have.

237 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:59:22am

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

He may fear his party losing its identity if it enters a coalition with a party of the left after its first election. Such fears aren’t groundless, since ANO is a brand new party and has not developed the support structure and sense of identity that established parties have.

Yes, it his party. Someone with money formed his own party; this is not a grass-roots, democratic party—this guy has money and now he wants power. Obviously, he doesn’t play well with others, either. See the Prague Post article I linked above.

238 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:03:33am

re: #233 darthstar

Ha!

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Did they shoot themselves in the foot before or after putting it in their mouth?

239 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:04:30am

re: #237 Justanotherhuman

Yes, it his party. Someone with money formed his own party; this is not a grass-roots, democratic party—this guy has money and now he wants power. Obviously, he doesn’t play well with others, either. See the Prague Post article I linked above.

He made a large investment and expects to gain a handsome return on that investment. Call it a ‘venture capital approach to politics”. [Insert Mitt Romney joke here]

240 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:18:41am

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

He may fear his party losing its identity if it enters a coalition with a party of the left after its first election. Such fears aren’t groundless, since ANO is a brand new party and has not developed the support structure and sense of identity that established parties have.

A Czech friend of mine also noted that perhaps Mr. Babiš is banking on any government collapsing in relatively short order, and his party may do better next time around.

She’s predicting a new election in less than one year - maybe in as little as six months. She’s also pretty sick of the political instability here.

241 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:24:33am

re: #233 darthstar

Ha!

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The Rs have been working with these particular clowns for years. Everyone knows what the “Frederick Douglass Foundation” really is, don’t they?

242 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:25:05am

re: #233 darthstar

Ha!

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“Frederick Douglas Foundation” is the pack of bullshitters who lost control of some young white supremicists at their last CPAC seminar.

243 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:28:18am

re: #242 Decatur Deb

Video:

thinkprogress.org

244 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:30:00am

re: #243 Decatur Deb

Video:

thinkprogress.org

Great memory—great find. : )

245 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:30:00am

re: #225 b.d.

I’m confused.

Do they want us to and/or are we supposed to watch the DudeBagger Don’t watch Us rally or not?

Imma tweet that.

246 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:32:19am

re: #243 Decatur Deb

Video:

thinkprogress.org

Yikes yeah I remember that. Only at CPAC.

247 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:34:20am

re: #244 Justanotherhuman

Great memory—great find. : )

Speaking of seminars—Wife and I are off to the hairdresser’s across town to preach a little ACA. Really wish we had our background checks and a working system to push. Our lead will try from our laptops, but will have to undersell expectations. Be back tonight.

248 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:36:37am

re: #215 Lidane

Sometimes, not voting is the better option.

And Keyes is a lunatic anyway. He ran for the Senate at least three times but he’s against the direct election of Senators. Figure that out.

He’s only against the direct election of Senators because he knows if we returned to the old way, he would have had a greater chance of being elected. But I remembered Keyes from 2000 when he ran for president since I had the misfortune of having a mother of a friend who supported him for president. We’re talking Santorum like views where even the largest local Catholic school was insufficiently Catholic for this lady.

249 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:44:47am
250 Stanley Sea  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:46:11am

Morning! Testing to see if I’m a round or an oval. Ah the little excitements of life.

251 darthstar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:46:24am
252 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:47:46am

re: #251 darthstar

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Well it’s Munich. If I were in Munich, I wouldn’t be attending some broey protest. Beer uber alles.

253 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:48:10am

re: #249 wrenchwench

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I think you’re supposed to watch them but not watch them.

254 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:49:14am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

I think you’re supposed to watch them but not watch them.

Who Doesn’t Watch the Don’tWatchUsMen?

255 darthstar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:50:26am
256 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:51:03am

Interesting map at the link.


The tweeter’s got some dudebro in him, but he’s really good on Drug War stuff.

257 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:01:47am

re: #255 darthstar

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Would that they were only blind. With Assange at least I am utterly certain that he is instead actively malicious, and I believe that Greenwald and perhaps Snowden are as well.

258 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:02:07am

But who will watch the Don’t Watch Us’ers?

259 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:05:28am

Yeah, who?

260 darthstar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:08:48am
261 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:10:05am

The TeaBro Party

262 chadu  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:32:59am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

Actually, I don’t have to worry about that because earlier this month Ted Cruz joined Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann on a short and very special list: The List of Republicans I Would >Never Vote For, Period. If it were Ted Cruz vs. Hillary Clinton for president, I’d vote for Mrs. Clinton. I’d hate having to vote for a liberal Democrat, but making sure the presidency is occupied by a sane person is more important than ideology.

Holy shit, DF.

I would have never expected to read those words of yours.

Have an upding.

263 chadu  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:35:21am

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

I voted for Alan Keyes instead of Obama for Senator from Illinois back in 2004 […]

Why would you even do that?

Keyes was a total carpet-bagger in that election, after the divorce scandal made Ryan drop out.

264 chadu  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:37:44am

re: #187 Decatur Deb

Psssstt. If you vote Hillary, you still haven’t voted for a liberal Democrat.

Badda bing.

265 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:37:51am

Russia Today: #StopWatchingUS rally against mass surveillance: Live Updates
lol

266 chadu  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:38:06am

re: #189 Lidane

Exactly.

And despite all the RWNJ bleating to the contrary, voting for Obama wasn’t a vote for a liberal Democrat either.

Badda boom.

267 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:39:45am

I will be cutting off Dad at some point.

You see, he decided to look through my checkbook. While I wasn’t around.

For future privacy, he simply won’t be involved.

268 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:42:42am

Hillary, a liberal? LOL

269 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:43:56am

Anything to the left of conservative dogma is a liberal. Actual liberals are Nazis.

And stuff.

270 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:44:00am

Horse.

271 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:46:04am

Hmmm, more coverage of the NSA rally from Hot Air, no mentions from Dkos (who sponsored the event). Dkos seems more excited about a that silly political rant from Russel Brand. The progressive fixation with comedians as leaders of political thought is an interesting development. I think it’s a dead end but it will be entertaining to watch.

272 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:48:08am
273 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:49:00am

re: #270 wrenchwench

Horse.

Horse Halloween Costume

274 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:50:15am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

Horse Halloween Costume

Beautiful.

El Dia del Caballo Muerte.

275 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:51:18am

re: #272 wrenchwench

Obviously staged. They probably even used real cheesecake.

276 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:53:32am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

The progressive fixation with comedians as leaders of political thought is an interesting development.

What progressive fixation with comedians as leaders of political thought? Can you give some examples?

277 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:56:27am

I am downloading Mavericks. It is taking a lot of time.

278 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:56:48am

Ya know, I chanted ‘Hey hey. Ho ho’ in the 70’s. They are meaningless syllables. Surely the protesting world can come with something better in the next 40 years or so.

279 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:58:07am

re: #276 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Dennis Miller. Steven Crowder. Victoria Jackson.

Whoops.

280 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:13:42am

Gas Roots: political movements started and driven by hot air and windbags hopped up on anger.

281 blueraven  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:18:00am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, more coverage of the NSA rally from Hot Air, no mentions from Dkos (who sponsored the event). Dkos seems more excited about a that silly political rant from Russel Brand. The progressive fixation with comedians as leaders of political thought is an interesting development. I think it’s a dead end but it will be entertaining to watch.

Hmmm…Rush Limbaugh (satirist!), Dennis Miller, Glenn Beck (clown)
I think we have some “fixation” competition.

282 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:23:31am

Here in the Czech Republic, it looks like the outcome of this weekend’s elections is…….continuing instability.

No party was able to deliver a knockout punch; the Social Democrats came in below expectations, a new center-right party came in far better than anyone expected, and the leader of this new center-right party has said he “cannot envision” forming a coalition with the Social Democrats, leaving them either to pursue a coalition with other center-right parties or the Communist Party, which itself would be unstable. If they can’t do it, then perhaps the center-right parties will attempt to form a coalition, and barring that, new elections will have to be called.

As I noted earlier, one of my friends - who I rate as having very solid political instincts - is saying there will likely be new elections in less than one year. Many Czech political commentators here are saying the same thing.

bbc.co.uk

283 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:25:33am

re: #281 blueraven

Hmmm…Rush Limbaugh (satirist!), Dennis Miller, Glenn Beck (clown)
I think we have some “fixation” competition.

Elizabeth Warren also performs as “Wazabeth Elarren”, giving her off-color riffs on the fed, regulation of fracking, and birth control.

284 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:44:20am

re: #281 blueraven

Hmmm…Rush Limbaugh (satirist!), Dennis Miller, Glenn Beck (clown)
I think we have some “fixation” competition.

Yup. Conservatives jettisoned their intellectuals in favor of comedians and light weight, simplistic, populist pundit characters long ago. Look how that worked out for them.

285 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:50:19am

re: #284 Killgore Trout

Yup. Conservatives jettisoned their intellectuals in favor of comedians and light weight, simplistic, populist pundit characters long ago. Look how that worked out for them.

So, again, can you provide some examples of progressives hailing comedians as thought-leaders?

Because, see, when you make a claim and fail to back it up, that makes it seem like you’re just talking out of your ass in order to awkwardly fit your preconceived magical balance fairy world narrative.

286 compound_Idaho  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:05:23am

re: #285 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Al Franken

287 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:07:40am

Ranting about Masonic symbolism now

288 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:15:03am

re: #286 compound_Idaho

Al Franken

Al Franken was a comedian, but he isn’t any longer. He hasn’t been in more than five years.

289 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:36:49pm

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, more coverage of the NSA rally from Hot Air, no mentions from Dkos (who sponsored the event). Dkos seems more excited about a that silly political rant from Russel Brand. The progressive fixation with comedians as leaders of political thought is an interesting development. I think it’s a dead end but it will be entertaining to watch.

Hmm, the word fixation is generally used to refer to either 1.) an obsessive preoccupation with a particular subject, 2.) a partially arrested emotional development caused by a traumatic experience early in life, or 3.) the state of not being readily movable.

You’ve given zero proof for #1, you cannot possibly be basing #2 on any kind of scientific theory unless you have access to a significant number of progressives’ early childhood bios, and #3 is demonstrably untrue—all one needs to do is look through progressive blogs & websites. I’m left to wonder if you simply don’t understand what the word means—which I find highly unlikely—or you’re just trolling for attention.

It’s starting to look a bit pathological on your part. Perhaps even worse, it’s become boringly predictable to guess which threads you’ll show up for to practice your performance art (or whatever it is you fancy you’re doing as you sit there typing & waiting for the down-dings).

Why don’t you stop with the silly generalizations & baiting and try talking to us as adults whose opinions are every bit as seriously considered & valid as yours? Unless, of course, you think they’re not—in which case, carry on.

290 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:57:01pm

re: #286 compound_Idaho

Al Franken

re: #288 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Al Franken was a comedian, but he isn’t any longer. He hasn’t been in more than five years.

Senator Franken also graduated cum laude from Harvard in 1973.


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