How Sick Is the Anti-Choice Religious Right? This Sick.

Not your body. Not your choice. You’re a murderer.
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Yes folks, the anti-choice religious right really is this sick in the head.

(h/t: Vicious B.)

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1 Kragar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:55:31pm

HOW DID HE GET IN THERE? Can the woman sue for trespassing?
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2 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:56:43pm

They can’t even make their point without insulting people. Now, I’m, “logic impaired.” That will get my vote.

3 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:57:01pm

Fanatic logic in that cartoon.

4 sauceruney  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:58:28pm
5 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:58:31pm

Thanks for the h/t Charles. I was like WTFITS when I saw that Tweet (Matt Barber is on the DERP list along with a bunch of other Bad Crazy)

6 The Mountain That Blogs  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:58:57pm

As others noted downstairs, that is the size of a newborn, or at the least a late third-trimester fetus. Most aborted embryos are too small to be seen on this scale.

7 Kragar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 6:59:03pm

Don’t forget, pretty much anything a woman does to prevent pregnancy other than complete abstinence makes her a murderer to these assholes.

8 Kragar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:01:59pm

anti-choice lexicon

premarital sex = whore
rape victim = slut
use of condom = sinner
morning after pill = murder

9 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:02:53pm

re: #6 The Mountain That Blogs

As others noted downstairs, that is the size of a newborn, or at the least a late third-trimester fetus. Most aborted embryos are too small to be seen on this scale.

I think they really believe all fetuses are fully formed at conception and just get bigger.

Fetus fully formed inside a sperm.

10 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:05:32pm

The ironic thing is, the more valid, scientific evidence women have about their bodies and their sexuality, and the greater freedom they have to access affordable birth control and emergency contraception, the lower the abortion rate goes.

It’s almost as if trusting women to know their own bodies and make their own decisions works. Can’t allow that.

11 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:05:46pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

They should have all of their “degrees” made null until they take a course in a hard science not “bible science.”

12 Kragar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:06:18pm

As a father of two girls, its this kind of shit which basically means sections of the US might as well be behind the Iron Curtain when it comes to places I’d be willing to live and work in.

13 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:10:13pm
14 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:12:25pm

Can we expect to see them beating down the doors for mandatory kidney donation next?


Come on people it’s murder if you refuse to give up the use of one of your organs to someone else who would die without it!

15 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:13:24pm

Is this a wet dream/model for the US anti-choice fanatics?

El Salvador: Where women may be jailed for miscarrying

Glenda Xiomara Cruz was crippled by abdominal pain and heavy bleeding in the early hours of 30 October 2012. The 19-year-old from Puerto El Triunfo, eastern El Salvador, went to the nearest public hospital where doctors said she had lost her baby.

It was the first she knew about the pregnancy as her menstrual cycle was unbroken, her weight practically unchanged, and a pregnancy test in May 2012 had been negative.

Four days later she was charged with aggravated murder - intentionally murdering the 38-to-42 week foetus - at a court hearing she was too sick to attend. The hospital had reported her to the police for a suspected abortion.

After two emergency operations and three weeks in hospital she was moved to Ilopango women’s prison on the outskirts of the capital San Salvador. Then last month she was sentenced to 10 years in jail, the judge ruling that she should have saved the baby’s life.

16 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:14:24pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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Yeah, those “freedom” loving libertarians…

17 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:15:38pm

re: #15 Interesting Times

Is this a wet dream/model for the US anti-choice fanatics?

El Salvador: Where women may be jailed for miscarrying

They’re getting closer to it with each passing year:

Wisconsin jails pregnant woman and gives her fetus - but not her - a lawyer

A Wisconsin mother-to-be is challenging her state’s fetal protection law after she was arrested following a prenatal visit where she admitted taking a drug used to treat painkiller dependency.

Alicia Beltran said she was 12 weeks pregnant when she visited a health clinic July 2 near her home in Jackson, Wisc., for a checkup.

Then 28 years old, Beltran said she admitted to struggling with a past addiction to Percocet and taking an acquaintance’s prescribed Suboxone because she lacked health insurance and could not afford the anti-opioid medication herself.

Beltran said she told the medical assistant she’d been self-administering the medication in decreasing doses and had last taken it several days earlier.

She said the physician’s assistant recommended that she renew her use of Suboxone, but under a doctor’s care, and Beltran said she declined.

The expectant mother was then asked to take a drug test, which she said turned up negative for all substances except for Suboxone.

Beltran said a social worker visited her two weeks later and suggested she continue Suboxone treatment under doctor supervision but she again declined.

Two days later, Beltran was arrested and taken in handcuffs to a hospital, where she was examined by a physician.

18 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:16:35pm
19 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:18:55pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Nightmarish, but not unexpected. A lot of liberals and dudebros consider abortion a woman’s issue, so therefore it’s trivial. It doesn’t have as much weight as the NSA or whatever freakouts Greenwald is having today.

20 Belafon  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:20:10pm

So, I can see different reply images:
1. Have the woman with “Her body” and have a man behind the image “Not your body.”
2. Have a man with a gun, and a nother man lying on the ground. “Your body”. “Not your body” and “Shooting is murder.”

21 b.d.  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:21:52pm

Moocher freeloader sucking off of some other person’s medical care, blood and nutrients.

You didn’t build that, baby!

22 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:22:32pm

MOAR BAD CRAZY

23 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:23:10pm

Don’t put this in your body.

Reser’s Fine Foods, Inc. Voluntarily Expands Recall of Refrigerated Ready-to-Eat Products Due to Potential Health Risk

fda.gov

24 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:24:20pm

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

MOAR BAD CRAZY

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“secular prolife”? WTF does that mean?

25 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:24:44pm

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

“secular prolife”? WTF does that mean?

Crazy as a shithouse rat.

26 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:26:20pm

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

“secular prolife”? WTF does that mean?

“We don’t need God to be misogynistic assholes!”

27 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:27:09pm

Seriously I wonder how many of these people are not organ donors?

And if they are, would they be cool with donating a kidney to some random person off the street so long as they would die without idiot?

I have yet to hear anything approaching a reasonable rejection of the violinist argument….

28 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:27:49pm

Really, only conclusion I can reach about a “secular pro-life” person is they’re likely a very emotional and gullible individual who’s been sold on the idea that every sperm is sacred.

29 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:27:59pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

I think they really believe all fetuses are fully formed at conception and just get bigger.

Fetus fully formed inside a sperm.

The Homunculus!

I’ve said this before.

30 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:28:42pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

Really, only conclusion I can reach about a “secular pro-life” person is they’re likely a very emotional and gullible individual who’s been sold on the idea that every sperm is sacred.

Why do I hear a song in my head every time somebody says that?

31 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:29:06pm

re: #30 b_sharp

Why do I hear a song in my head every time somebody says that?

You make it sound like a bad thing.

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32 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:29:56pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

Really, only conclusion I can reach about a “secular pro-life” person is they’re likely a very emotional and gullible individual who’s been sold on the idea that every sperm is sacred.

In this case, probably a very young, naive woman who is under the thrall of a dudebro and his “kick-ass” libertarian lifestyle (complete with primo).

33 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:30:09pm

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

“secular prolife”? WTF does that mean?

Silly, misguided people who get this treatment and wonder why.

34 b.d.  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:30:49pm

Glad to see that guy is giving women the green light to smoke, pop pills and pound drinks during pregnancy again.

35 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:30:58pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

I think they really believe all fetuses are fully formed at conception and just get bigger.

Fetus fully formed inside a sperm.

Wasn’t there some anti-abortion douchenozzle in Congress that tried to say that birth control is murder because a woman’s body carries a bunch of fetuses in it? Seems familiar somehow.

36 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:32:03pm

re: #32 Justanotherhuman

In this case, probably a very young, naive woman who is under the thrall of a dudebro and his “kick-ass” libertarian lifestyle (complete with primo).

Female character from Ayn Rand novel. She lets her boyfriend GIVE HER A NAME.

37 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:35:33pm

re: #29 b_sharp

The Homunculus!

I’ve said this before.

So you’re saying we need to destroy its philosopher stone?

38 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:36:39pm

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

Female character from Ayn Rand novel. She lets her boyfriend GIVE HER A NAME.

Gawd, I thought I was reading something from one of those bad writing contests.

39 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:37:07pm

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

Female character from Ayn Rand novel. She lets her boyfriend GIVE HER A NAME.

Still better than the female character from an Ayn Rand novel who gets raped by her boyfriend and enjoys it and stays on with him.


EDIT: Because the first version of this post had some very unpleasant undertones when I stopped to look at it.

40 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:46:59pm

re: #39 jamesfirecat

Still better than the female character from an Ayn Rand novel who let’s her boyfriend rape her and enjoys it.

Wait—no woman “let’s” (sic) a man rape her.

Often a theme in those awful Harlequin-type “romance” novels, though, from what I’ve heard.

Women all have “rape fantasies” except we don’t. Another male myth.

41 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:47:50pm

re: #35 Lidane

Wasn’t there some anti-abortion douchenozzle in Congress that tried to say that birth control is murder because a woman’s body carries a bunch of fetuses in it? Seems familiar somehow.

TEApublican: Women On Birth Control Have “Little Tiny Fetuses” “Embedded” in Their Wombs!

TEApublican radio host Pastor Kevin Swanson is certainly no scientist. On his radio show he claimed that upon examination by “certain doctors and certain scientists” that “there are these little tiny fetuses, these little babies, that are embedded into the womb...Those wombs of women who have been on the birth control pill effectively have become graveyards for lots and lots of little babies.”

42 jamesfirecat  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:49:22pm

re: #40 Justanotherhuman

Wait—no woman “let’s” (sic) a man rape her.

Often a theme in those awful Harlequin-type “romance” novels, though, from what I’ve heard.

Women all have “rape fantasies” except we don’t. Another male myth.

Yeah I realized my word choice was SUPER AWKWARD incorrect, did not reflect an appropriate representation of what happened in the story / in real life and corrected.


I am sorry for anyone who I offended with my ill thought out comments, they were offensive and worthy of reproach.

43 b.d.  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:51:30pm

Pathetic

The event was organized by a coalition known as “Stop Watching Us” that consists of some 100 public advocacy groups and companies

100 public advocacy groups and companies produce “hundreds” of attendees?

44 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:51:49pm

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

Female character from Ayn Rand novel. She lets her boyfriend GIVE HER A NAME.

I’ve noticed that every female character in Rand’s novels are submissives. They aren’t complete until owned by a man.

A rather strange stance for someone who is supposedly all about individuality.

Poor Ayn. Never got over her upbringing in the Soviet Union.

45 Interesting Times  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:54:08pm

re: #27 jamesfirecat

I have yet to hear anything approaching a reasonable rejection of the violinist argument….

The only argument I can recall that doesn’t depend on durr hurr consent to sex equals consent to pregnancy! goes something like, in the violinist case, you’re doing the equivalent of withdrawing the person from life support, but in abortion, you’re “actively killing” the fetus before removing it from the woman’s body, ergo, it’s worse.

46 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:54:16pm

re: #41 Interesting Times

TEApublican: Women On Birth Control Have “Little Tiny Fetuses” “Embedded” in Their Wombs!

Here’s Swanson again, the ultimate authority on women and girls.

Pastor blasts ‘wicked’ Girl Scouts as agent of lesbianism, abortion

Read more: nydailynews.com

47 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:56:45pm

re: #43 b.d.

Pathetic

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100 public advocacy groups and companies produce “hundreds” of attendees?

Hey, each person is an “advocacy group”. Gotta go the individualist route, doncha know.

48 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 7:59:03pm

God can make a hundred eggs get fertilized and flush out 75 of them in periods, but if one woman, who did everything she could to avoid egg meeting sperm, wants to get rid of one embryo that God missed on the flush cycle, SHE’s the evil murderer.

A man wrote these rules, right?

49 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:01:35pm
50 freetoken  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:01:49pm

This raises once again the whole question of when does a fetus gain “personhood”, or in other terms, granted “rights” as recognized by society.

I’m fairly comfortable with the current arrangement regarding abortions. Some may disagree, but I do think that there is a transition when the unborn are indeed “human” enough to be granted rights of a sort. It’s a grey transition, somewhere around the end of the second trimester.

51 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:04:08pm

re: #50 freetoken

This raises once again the whole question of when does a fetus gain “personhood”, or in other terms, granted “rights” as recognized by society.

I’m fairly comfortable with the current arrangement regarding abortions. Some may disagree, but I do think that there is a transition when the unborn are indeed “human” enough to be granted rights of a sort. It’s a grey transition, somewhere around the end of the second trimester.

Third-trimester abortions should not be performed unless there is a threat to the mother’s health or the fetus is non-viable. But this should be a medical decision, not a legal issue.

52 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:10:50pm

re: #50 freetoken

This raises once again the whole question of when does a fetus gain “personhood”, or in other terms, granted “rights” as recognized by society.

I’m fairly comfortable with the current arrangement regarding abortions. Some may disagree, but I do think that there is a transition when the unborn are indeed “human” enough to be granted rights of a sort. It’s a grey transition, somewhere around the end of the second trimester.

No matter the age of the fetus, there will be times when the choices are:

—Woman or fetus dies?

—Fetus dies, or woman will be injured and unable to bear any more children in the future?

—Fetus dies, or woman might die, might not.

—Fetus will harm woman, and die before reaching 6 months, or fetus dies now, woman is unharmed?

What I’m trying to say is that it never is about the age of the fetus. It’s about who decides. And the fetus never decides, it can’t. That leaves the woman. When do you think it’s ok to tell her it’s not her decision?

And I have to sign off, but will probably be back at some point.

53 Belafon  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:11:26pm

re: #50 freetoken

It use to be called the quickening: The point at which the belly started showing. Prior to the quickening, it was not illegal to abort.

54 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:13:56pm

It’s about who decides. And the fetus never decides, it can’t. That leaves the woman.

This!!!!

Copied from Wrenchwench..

55 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:15:48pm

re: #44 Romantic Heretic

I’ve noticed that every female character in Rand’s novels are submissives. They aren’t complete until owned by a man.

A rather strange stance for someone who is supposedly all about individuality.

It’s also telling that Ayn called herself a male chauvinist, not a feminist.

Also, when it came to sex, Ayn Rand argued that sexually, women should want to take part in what she called “hero worship”, but which anyone else would call submission, since it required having a man to look up to as an example and following his lead. IIRC, it’s why she argued that a woman should never be POTUS, since there would be no alpha male example of leadership to follow if a woman was in charge.

Poor Ayn. Never got over her upbringing in the Soviet Union.

Seriously. It might as well be a huge neon sign explaining her work.

56 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:18:15pm

This is awful, just awful.

Castro Valley Nursing Home Shut Down, Patients Abandoned

nbcbayarea.com

Just the whole idea of “assisted living” rings such a false note with me. If I’m living, I don’t want to have to need “assistance” to do it, like having an adult diaper changed by someone, or being spoon-fed like an infant. Another reason I would like a quick death, not a lingering one outside of a hospital. Waiting on death can be a cruel experience.

57 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:31:53pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

No matter the age of the fetus, there will be times when the choices are:

—Woman or fetus dies?

—Fetus dies, or woman will be injured and unable to bear any more children in the future?

—Fetus dies, or woman might die, might not.

—Fetus will harm woman, and die before reaching 6 months, or fetus dies now, woman is unharmed?

What I’m trying to say is that it never is about the age of the fetus. It’s about who decides. And the fetus never decides, it can’t. That leaves the woman. When do you think it’s ok to tell her it’s not her decision?

And I have to sign off, but will probably be back at some point.

QFT.

It is my body. I make the decisions. The only people who should have a say in this decision are me, my husband, and my doctor.

58 freetoken  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:35:26pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

When do you think it’s ok to tell her it’s not her decision?

Sometime in the third trimester.

Society makes decisions for the individual all the time, everywhere. From culture to culture those boundaries change somewhat, but in the end, none of us are totally autonomous.

59 fern01  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:35:49pm

Sure isn’t a woman’s body when a man makes her pregnant against her will - whether he be friend or stranger - but those who would legislate against women think otherwise.

60 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:36:05pm

re: #57 klys

It is my body. I make the decisions. The only people who should have a say in this decision are me, my husband, and my doctor.

Yes, yes and yes.

The anti-choice position rests on the idea that a woman isn’t fit to make decisions about her own body or control her sexuality. It strips a woman of her legal rights and her personhood at the expense of a potential life. That’s wrong.

At the end of the day, I’m the one who would have to carry that child to term and go through labor. I’m the one whose health would be directly impacted by that pregnancy. It’s my choice. My say. No one else’s.

61 freetoken  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:36:16pm

re: #58 freetoken

I will append that comment with this: I agree that when the woman’s life is in danger that it is really her decision (assuming she’s in a state to make that decision.)

62 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:45:10pm

Barber really needs to mind his own fucking business. Who the fuck is he and others like him to tell women what they must do with their bodies.

63 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:45:51pm

re: #58 freetoken

Sometime in the third trimester.

Society makes decisions for the individual all the time, everywhere. From culture to culture those boundaries change somewhat, but in the end, none of us are totally autonomous.

So we’ve moved from “somewhere around the end of the second trimester” to “sometime in the third trimester.”

What’re you using to make this decision? Fetus viability outside the womb? What happens when medicine improves again and that date shifts further back?

Why can’t we just say that decisions on abortions after x point need to be made in conjunction with a physician’s advice and leave it to the medical professionals to work with the women in question for the best possible outcome for a given situation? That’s probably the closest we’re going to come to a one-size-fits-all solution that still acknowledges the woman’s right to make decisions for her own body *and* gets her the support she would need in this time - because nobody is doing a third trimester abortion for the hell of it, regardless of what the ‘prolife’ folks would like you to think.

64 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:46:10pm

re: #44 Romantic Heretic

I’ve noticed that every female character in Rand’s novels are submissives. They aren’t complete until owned by a man.

A rather strange stance for someone who is supposedly all about individuality.

Poor Ayn. Never got over her upbringing in the Soviet Union.

She was one very screwed up individual to say the least.

65 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:50:13pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

She was one very screwed up individual to say the least.

As are the bazillions of teenagers who read & agree with her!
(Why does she so appeal to teenagers?)

66 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:52:04pm

re: #61 freetoken

I will append that comment with this: I agree that when the woman’s life is in danger that it is really her decision (assuming she’s in a state to make that decision.)

Well, I think you’re wrong. It’s always the woman’s decision. Her body, her choice.

Many times “society” has been wrong, culture has been wrong, sometimes very, very wrong. Depends on who’s ruling. No, we’re not completely “autonomous” but we are individuals, and so far, some are still dominant and they tend to be men.

Get back to me when matriarchies or female led societies are dominant in the world.

67 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:52:14pm

re: #65 Dancing along the light of day

As are the bazillions of teenagers who read & agree with her!
(Why does she so appeal to teenagers?)

Think about it. Who of us as a teenager didn’t hear the siren call at least once of “Do whatever you want without any consequences!”?

68 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:55:17pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

I still want to do whatever I want, without consequences……

69 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 8:56:14pm

re: #68 Dancing along the light of day

I still want to do whatever I want, without consequences……

Yes, but the difference between you and libertarians is you understand that fantasy is not reality and there are very good reasons why.

70 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:04:58pm

re: #69 klys

Yes, but the difference between you and libertarians is you understand that fantasy is not reality and there are very good reasons why.

Libertarians are just really paid-up, card-carrying members of the patriarchy who have fantasies of being the boss, and just have a different way of expressing it.

71 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:05:48pm

re: #53 Belafon

It use to be called the quickening: The point at which the belly started showing. Prior to the quickening, it was not illegal to abort.

The quickening is the point at which the fetus’s movements can be detected.

“Quick” used to mean “alive”, as in the Biblical phrase “the quick and the dead”.

72 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:13:17pm

I spent 5 hours on campus today studying for Tuesday’s exam. I also get to study Monday and Tuesday!

I am so not excited.

73 Amory Blaine  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:18:25pm

So these are the people we’re supposed to dialogue with? Have meaningful conversations? Reach consensus? Liberal=Baby Killer. They’ve made up their minds.

74 ibob  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:29:35pm

re: #71 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

The quickening is the point at which the fetus’s movements can be detected.

“Quick” used to mean “alive”, as in the Biblical phrase “the quick and the dead”.

The earliest time at which a woman with her first pregnancy can feel movement is at 17 weeks gestation. It’s 15 weeks with subsequent pregnancies since she already knows what the movement feels like. It was used as a means of dating a pregnancy before the days of routine ultrasounds. In fact, it is still a routine question on prenatal forms.

75 Kragar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:33:46pm
76 freetoken  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:39:56pm

re: #63 klys

Laws exist, are made, sometimes for reasons we deem “good”, sometimes for reasons later we deem as “bad”, but we have laws over abortion, and we probably always will, so let’s not pretend we can go on without them.

I mentioned earlier it was a gray area, and we’ve had discussions about this before, about what constitutes a “person”, and why that is such a difficult determination to make in some cases.

There are parallels here with end-of-life issues, though there are differences too.

For me the boundary between when a someone is a “person” has very much to do with cognition and memory. That’s why in the famous Schiavo case. I think it was pretty clear from the brain images that Schiavo was no longer sentient (in a human sense) and thus there was no real issue in pulling the plug.

It’s hard, on the other hand, to determine when sentience as such begins in the womb. There are a lot of discussions over this (sentience and personhood), and I don’t simply wave them off, like some of you are doing.

77 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:46:35pm

re: #76 freetoken

I apologize if you think I’m “waving off” issues of personhood, so let’s start this discussion in another place.

We can agree that an adult (or a child if you like), outside the womb, capable of basic bodily functions without relying on another person’s body is alive. That person now needs a kidney transplant. Or bone marrow. Or liver.

You are a match. The only match that can be found in a reasonable time period.

They will die without this transplant. It is not fatal to you, barring the normal risks associated with medical procedures.

Can the government compel you to donate?

If the answer is no, what makes the fetus different, that it is granted rights above and beyond that of a woman’s to make decisions regarding her own body?

I’m also going to go out on a limb here and say that this is probably in the category of “interesting hypothetical discussion” for you and not in the category of “life decisions I hope I never have to make.” True or false?

78 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:48:14pm

re: #70 Justanotherhuman

Libertarians are just really paid-up, card-carrying members of the patriarchy who have fantasies of being the boss, and just have a different way of expressing it.

They want to be robber barons with their own private fiefdoms to rule. They don’t realize that if their preferred world came to pass, almost all of them would be expendable or working the fields for the real power brokers.

79 sagehen  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 9:55:36pm

re: #76 freetoken

It’s hard, on the other hand, to determine when sentience as such begins in the womb. There are a lot of discussions over this (sentience and personhood), and I don’t simply wave them off, like some of you are doing.

No, it really isn’t.

The cerebral cortex forms and attaches to the brain stem around 22 weeks. Before that, there is 0 physical possibility of anything remotely resembling “sentience”.

(conveniently enough, that’s about the same time the lungs become capable of processing oxygen — although it still doesn’t separate oxygen from other air very well, which is why the extra-oxygenated incubators and nose tubes for preemies).

Before that, I find abortions acceptable for good reason, bad reason, or no reason at all. “I just don’t want to be pregnant” is enough. After that, the reason has to be medical.

80 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:00:48pm

re: #78 Lidane

They want to be robber barons with their own private fiefdoms to rule. They don’t realize that if their preferred world came to pass, almost all of them would be expendable or working the fields for the real power brokers.

What they never want to acknowledge out loud is the lesson that Bioshock teaches very well: Not everybody can be a winner in a Randian society. There has to be people to do the dirty work, the menial tasks, and such a society incentivizes the exploitation of them by the wealthy and powerful.

81 sagehen  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:01:52pm

p.s. in a thread that contains talk of quickening, nobody before me thought to post this?

Youtube Video

82 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:03:58pm

re: #81 sagehen

p.s. in a thread that contains talk of quickening, nobody before me thought to post this?

[Embedded content]

With that lead-in I didn’t even have to look to know it was a Highlander clip.

My brain is fried from 5 hours of math proofs. That’s my defense.

83 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:08:04pm

Why does regular water taste lousy but ice water taste good?

Discuss.

84 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:12:47pm

re: #42 jamesfirecat

Yeah I realized my word choice was SUPER AWKWARD incorrect, did not reflect an appropriate representation of what happened in the story / in real life and corrected.

I am sorry for anyone who I offended with my ill thought out comments, they were offensive and worthy of reproach.

I’m going to highlight this here because so few people are willing to take responsibility of and own their mistakes, and you 100% did and did so on an issue far too many guys would have just brushed aside. +major points to jamesfirecat

85 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:14:23pm

Speaking of Bioshock, the first DLC for Bioshock Infinite comes out the exact same day that the big expansion for XCOM does. So yeah, ya’ll might not see me for awhile.

86 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:15:18pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

Speaking of Bioshock, the first DLC for it Bioshock Infinite comes out the exact same day that the big expansion for XCOM does. So yeah, ya’ll might not see me for awhile.

That feels like poor planning on someone’s part.

//

87 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:16:20pm

re: #83 klys

Why does regular water taste lousy but ice water taste good?

Discuss.

Chemicals! Have you read your water company’s quality report? Oh, and “quality” is used loosely. Check the TDS number. It stands for Total Dissolved Solids. Low is better than high.

88 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:16:59pm

re: #87 Dancing along the light of day

Chemicals! Have you read your water company’s quality report? Oh, and “quality” is used loosely. Check the TDS number. It stands for Total Dissolved Solids. Low is better than high.

But it’s the same water in both cases.

It just tastes better cold.

89 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:18:24pm

Deep Eddy Ruby Red vodka is awesome. I took a highball glass, filled it with ice, poured a single shot of vodka and topped it with some grapefruit soda. It’s a very light, but tart drink. Me likey. A good cap to the evening.

90 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:20:42pm

re: #89 Lidane

Deep Eddy Ruby Red vodka is awesome. I took a highball glass, filled it with ice, poured a single shot of vodka and topped it with some grapefruit soda. It’s a very light, but tart drink. Me likey. A good cap to the evening.

Yum, that sounds good.

Tonight’s new gin was Damrak. Very nice and delicate, first hints were far more of citrus than juniper, beautifully smooth. Went very nicely with the tonic water from 365 (personal preference).

91 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:27:55pm

re: #90 klys

Yum, that sounds good.

It is. I usually hate flavored vodkas because most of them are far too sweet and taste weird. The ruby red vodka has real sugar and real grapefruit juice in it so it balances between sweet and tart. It’s pretty good. I had a bartender friend recommend it to me and it was worth the money.

Tonight’s new gin was Damrak. Very nice and delicate, first hints were far more of citrus than juniper, beautifully smooth. Went very nicely with the tonic water from 365 (personal preference).

Don’t have much experience with gin. I think Bombay Sapphire was the last gin I drank and that was years ago.

92 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:28:40pm

re: #88 klys

But it’s the same water in both cases.

It just tastes better cold.

Yeah, but cold tends to kill flavor. I loathe the fermented taste of wine & beer, but I assume the strength of the flavor it’s one of the reasons wine is “chilled” instead of being poured over ice. I suppose it’s also why some Americans gag at the thought of warm beer, heh.

Hmm, now that I think of it the same goes for cheese…

Anyway, I just stopped by to drop these off in case you guys are hungry. they might also make your water taste better. ;)

93 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:30:13pm

re: #71 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

The quickening is the point at which the fetus’s movements can be detected.

“Quick” used to mean “alive”, as in the Biblical phrase “the quick and the dead”.

Thanks. I was going to say that on my way out, but I thought, ‘Somebody else will do that.’

There is evidence that I did not know the actual meaning of the phrase ‘the quick and the dead’.


re: #74 ibob

The earliest time at which a woman with her first pregnancy can feel movement is at 17 weeks gestation. It’s 15 weeks with subsequent pregnancies since she already knows what the movement feels like. It was used as a means of dating a pregnancy before the days of routine ultrasounds. In fact, it is still a routine question on prenatal forms.

I always appreciate your information.

94 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:30:49pm

re: #91 Lidane

It is. I usually hate flavored vodkas because most of them are far too sweet and taste weird. The ruby red vodka has real sugar and real grapefruit juice in it so it balances between sweet and tart. It’s pretty good. I had a bartender friend recommend it to me and it was worth the money.

I generally use the flavored vodkas for mixed drinks, so I’m very flexible. But a good grapefruit drink makes me happy, so I’m very interested in that. At a lot of the Japanese food places, especially the izakayas, I’m a huge fan of grapefruit chu-hais (essentially fresh squeezed grapefruit and shochu, plus soda water).

Don’t have much experience with gin. I think Bombay Sapphire was the last gin I drank and that was years ago.

Grad school introduced me to the wonders of gin. I typically do it with tonic, and I never would have thought I would be one of those people who could do flavor notes, but I can for gin. I have a whole list of favorites. Damrak is looking to get itself added, it seems.

95 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:30:50pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

OMG. Diet be damned!

96 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:31:32pm

re: #95 Dancing along the light of day

OMG. Diet be damned!

LOL!

97 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:32:21pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

Yeah, but cold tends to kill flavor. I loathe the fermented taste of wine & beer, but I assume the strength of the flavor it’s one of the reasons wine is “chilled” instead of being poured over ice. I suppose it’s also why some Americans gag at the thought of warm beer, heh.

Hmm, now that I think of it the same goes for cheese…

Anyway, I just stopped by to drop these off in case you guys are hungry. they might also make your water taste better. ;)

[Embedded content]

If that’s true, why do people always insist water has no taste? It does too have a taste and I don’t like it.

/grouchy 7 year old

98 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:32:30pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

As soon as I saw biscuits, sausage and gravy, my tummy rumbled.

99 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:34:03pm

re: #95 Dancing along the light of day

OMG. Diet be damned!

There is no such thing as a diet when biscuits are involved, especially if those biscuits have gravy on them. That’s why cheat days were invented.

100 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:38:28pm

re: #96 CuriousLurker

Would you share the recipe?
I need both!
Biscuts & gravy, Nom Nom Nom!

101 kirkspencer  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:38:31pm

re: #50 freetoken

This raises once again the whole question of when does a fetus gain “personhood”, or in other terms, granted “rights” as recognized by society.

I’m fairly comfortable with the current arrangement regarding abortions. Some may disagree, but I do think that there is a transition when the unborn are indeed “human” enough to be granted rights of a sort. It’s a grey transition, somewhere around the end of the second trimester.

Others have already disagreed, but I’m going to do so with a slightly different discussion. Point to note: I used to hold a very similar view. The slight variance was that my ‘point of change’ was viability. An unborn that can be viable if delivered should be considered human and have a right to life.

I don’t anymore.

Item the first, in NO other circumstance do we require others to medically donate to allow another’s survival. I can not - I SHOULD NOT - be allowed to force another to give blood, to donate marrow, to give up a kidney. Not even if the other is a new-born child.

That should really be all there is to it. Solipsists will ask the difference between allowing a newborn to starve (which is manslaughter if not murder) vs performing a late trimester D&C. The difference is the medical right issue. I have the right to refuse to sacrifice my health, my body, my blood to ensure your health or existence. And if the only way to exercise that denial is to abort you which leads to your death, so be it.

Of course that leads us to the second item. I am willing to consider disallowing late period abortions on a specific set of circumstances: that another person (or the state, I’m not fussy) is willing to assume the sacrifice necessary to sustain the fetus. A forced dilation and delivery or delivery by c-section is, in that circumstance, something I might consider — with the additional caveat that all costs beyond that of the basic abortion are borne by the other party, not the biological host.

Unless and until that second item develops, the first is sufficient. I have no right to force anyone to contribute to a medical procedure for another in any other circumstance. Not even in the 22d through 39th weeks of pregnancy.

102 Aqua Obama  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:38:57pm

What’s worse, Fox News or Fox Sports? Joe Buck or John McCain?

Discuss

103 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:40:06pm

re: #100 Dancing along the light of day

Would you share the recipe?
I need both!
Biscuts & gravy, Nom Nom Nom!

Sure, let me go grab it off the fridge…BRB

104 Lidane  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:46:20pm

re: #102 Aqua Obama

What’s worse, Fox News or Fox Sports? Joe Buck or John McCain?

Jim Rome.

105 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:48:48pm

re: #102 Aqua Obama

What’s worse, Fox News or Fox Sports? Joe Buck or John McCain?

Discuss

All television.

106 Stanley Sea  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:49:54pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

Yeah, but cold tends to kill flavor. I loathe the fermented taste of wine & beer, but I assume the strength of the flavor it’s one of the reasons wine is “chilled” instead of being poured over ice. I suppose it’s also why some Americans gag at the thought of warm beer, heh.

Hmm, now that I think of it the same goes for cheese…

Anyway, I just stopped by to drop these off in case you guys are hungry. they might also make your water taste better. ;)

[Embedded content]

Good job! yum

107 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:50:16pm

re: #101 kirkspencer

Of course that leads us to the second item. I am willing to consider disallowing late period abortions on a specific set of circumstances: that another person (or the state, I’m not fussy) is willing to assume the sacrifice necessary to sustain the fetus. A forced dilation and delivery or delivery by c-section is, in that circumstance, something I might consider — with the additional caveat that all costs beyond that of the basic abortion are borne by the other party, not the biological host.

Since no other person or state can bear the ‘forced dilation and delivery or delivery by c-section’, that whole idea is horrific. Only for the ‘biological host’, of course.

Or was that sarcasm? ‘Cause right up to that point, I thought you were pretty reasonable.

108 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:52:02pm

re: #107 wrenchwench

And, if you haven’t had the surgery of a c-section, well, I don’t think men could handle it.

109 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:55:35pm

re: #108 Dancing along the light of day

And, if you haven’t had the surgery of a c-section, well, I don’t think men could handle it.

I haven’t. My mom had 7. That may be related somehow to the fact that I haven’t.

I saw a video of one. Oh. My. God. And to have a baby to take care of right after that. Geez. And once it was twins for my mom.

110 klys  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:56:39pm

Ok, Lizards.

My bed is always the exact desired level of softness (thank you Sleep Number) and I am going to go fluff some pillows and drag some cats into cuddling before I kick them all out because someone can’t stop eating hair.

Don’t end up on any Sunday morning talk shows.

111 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 10:59:43pm

re: #100 Dancing along the light of day

Would you share the recipe?
I need both!
Biscuts & gravy, Nom Nom Nom!

Buttermilk Biscuits

2 cups all-purpose flour
2 tsp. baking powder
1/2 tsp. baking soda
1/2 tsp. salt
1/4 cup shortening
3/4 cup buttermilk

Combine dry ingredients; cut in shortening until mixture resembles coarse crumbs. Stir in buttermilk; knead dough gently a couple of times (don’t overdo it or they’ll come out tough). Roll out to 1/2 inch thickness. Cut with 2.5” biscuit cutter and place on lightly greased baking sheet/pan.

Bake at 450° F for 10-15 minutes.

Note: It’s supposed to make 10 biscuits using a 2.5” biscuit cutter, but I like mine tall & fluffy so I usually make a double recipe and roll them out closer to 3/4” thick, which typically leaves me with around 15 biscuits. You may know this already, but just in case you don’t, be sure to put them in the pan (or on the baking sheet) touching each other—it helps them all rise higher.

I don’t have a recipe for sausage & gravy, I cook my sausage and eyeball it based on how much grease/drippings are in the pan (I typically make white gravy using flour, milk, pepper, salt, and a smidgen of freshly ground nutmeg).

P.S. The dough is pretty loose & sticky, so have plenty of flour on hand, but only mix in as much as you must to make it roll out, otherwsie you’ll end up with hockey pucks. I usually use one of those silicone baking sheets to roll out the dough as they cut down on sticking.

112 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:04:04pm

Okay, I’m out. Like klys, I’m gonna go grab some cats to snuggle with, then maybe I’ll watch a few videos or something. Have a good night. all!

113 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:07:32pm

Well, I have cats. I have a bed. No, I’m not suggestible, why do you ask?

Later, lizards.

114 Ming  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:16:37pm

Right-wing nut jobs are once again setting up a “straw man”: if a person is in favor of any abortion rights, that person is immoral, irrational and homicidal. This is yet another “straw man” that the right wing puts out there, which is flat-out untrue and should not be taken seriously. (It’s like Romney’s statement “Democrats hate profitable companies”, or “liberals don’t care about small business owners”.)

These right wingers take full advantage of the fact that abortion is sad, regrettable, and naturally gives rise to painful moral questions.

In reality, many people including me support abortion rights as a matter of MORALITY, because they believe that the least-worst option is to leave the decision to the woman and to people whom she trusts, e.g. her doctor. We believe this because we’ve considered the alternatives, e.g. (1) the staggeringly high number of illegal “coat-hangar” abortions in the past, (2) dangerous semi-legal abortion facilities when safe abortion is difficult to come by in certain parts of the country, and (3) the incredible government bureaucracy that would be needed to wage a War on Abortion, from mandatory vaginal ultrasounds to ordering doctors to give medical advice that they don’t believe in, to the possibility that any miscarriage could be investigated as a felony.

If some right-winger believes that any termination of any pregnancy should be treated by the government as a capital crime, no matter what the cost, they’re free to announce their belief, and they’re free to run for political office on that platform.

115 Stephen T.  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:28:24pm

re: #65 Dancing along the light of day

As are the bazillions of teenagers who read & agree with her!
(Why does she so appeal to teenagers?)

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”

116 Kragar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:35:20pm
117 Kragar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:36:42pm

Because contraception is murder.
///

118 GeneJockey  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:43:20pm

Here’s the corrected version.

119 Stephen T.  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:44:17pm

re: #75 Kragar

Someone once gave me a justification for saving the 10,000 fertilized eggs over the 30 grade school children.

“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.”

I had no comeback for that one.

120 GeneJockey  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:45:26pm

Basically, if you’re ‘Pro-Life’ and anti-contraception, it’s got nothing to do with killing imagined babies. It’s about punishing women for having sex.

121 Kragar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:45:43pm

re: #119 Stephen T.

Someone once gave me a justification for saving the 10,000 fertilized eggs over the 30 grade school children.

“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.”

I had no comeback for that one.

I would think “You’re an idiot” would have sufficed.

122 Kragar  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:53:42pm

“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.”

“So, sending in a company of Marines to pull out out the staff in Benghazi would have been ridiculous, because there were only 4 guys, compared to 100+ in the Marine Company.”

“TRAITOR!”

123 piratedan  Sat, Oct 26, 2013 11:54:18pm

re: #119 Stephen T.

Someone once gave me a justification for saving the 10,000 fertilized eggs over the 30 grade school children.

“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.”

I had no comeback for that one.

and my reply would have been, “good luck selling that to the parents of those 30 kids, I’m sure their parents would have been comforted, will you allow them naming rights or a few racks of eggs/tubes as compensation?”

124 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 12:13:03am

re: #119 Stephen T.

Someone once gave me a justification for saving the 10,000 fertilized eggs over the 30 grade school children.

“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.”

I had no comeback for that one.

The 10K eggs are potential only, frozen tissue, not people. They require 10K women, or 1K women implanted 10 times each before they can feel anything. They require that those women be implanted either of their free will or be slaves to their gestational development. Basically the equation of the potential to personhood requires not only a specifically advanced level of technology but a specific market demand or chilling legal circumstance. They can neither grow nor reproduce on their own.

The 30 kids on the other hand are self aware now. They have identity and agency now. They form meaningful relationships now. They can comprehend death now. Left to their own devices, now, they will grow and become capable of reproduction on their own.

125 Kragar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 12:19:11am

scrolldowntoriker.com

126 Lidane  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 12:27:48am

re: #117 Kragar

Because contraception is murder.
///

Anti-choice idiots DO think it’s murder. You know, because a woman’s uterus is filled with a bunch of tiny fetuses just waiting for a sperm to come along and pick them out of the lineup to be born.

Personally, I’m in favor of expanded sex ed without all that abstinence bullshit and without all the social conservative fail. Give people real, unbiased information about their bodies and about sex. Hell, if you really want to scare kids from having kids, show them a video of a woman in labor or a C-section. That should do until they’re in their 20’s, at least.

Also, expanded and affordable access to birth control and emergency contraception. People are human and humans can be idiots, so ensuring that people have the means to control their reproduction until they’re sure they want kids is key. This not only lowers the abortion rate, but it also allows for things like the condom breaking or whatever while ensuring that an unintended pregnancy never becomes an issue.

127 Kragar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 12:33:38am

re: #126 Lidane

Actually teaching people is the last thing religious whackos want to do.

128 Kragar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 12:38:43am

People actually concerned about abortions support expanded access to birth control, education, and proper healthcare.

Anti-choicers just want to control and punish people.

129 Lidane  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 12:44:03am

re: #127 Kragar

Actually teaching people is the last thing religious whackos want to do.

Especially if those people are women.

BTW, that douchenozzle who replied to you in 116 is one of the stalker morons. Just FYI. Best to block him and spare yourself from dealing with their fail.

130 freetoken  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 12:44:20am

MP3 Audio

131 Kragar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 12:47:15am

So Disney just announced they were replacing the writer for the new Star Wars movie.

Lawrence Kasdan is being brought in.

That is a very good thing.

132 Kragar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 1:10:08am

A brief summary of Lawrence Kasdan

Wyatt Earp
The Bodyguard
Silverado
The Big Chill
Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back

133 piratedan  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 1:11:22am

re: #132 Kragar

A brief summary of Lawrence Kasdan

Wyatt Earp
The Bodyguard
Silverado
The Big Chill
Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back

maybe the dialogue will be listenable, one can only hope, and he’s no stranger to that world….

134 Lidane  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 1:11:41am

*headdesk*

135 piratedan  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 1:13:52am

re: #134 Lidane

*headdesk*

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the phrase “unclear on the concept” spring to mind… perhaps that charity has a touch too much overhead in place if this is one of the “prizes”.

136 dog philosopher  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 1:48:38am

perhaps somebody has pointed out to the creator of the graphic in the post that neither of the two bodies belong to them, nor the decision

137 freetoken  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 1:51:13am

MP3 Audio

138 Kruk  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 2:02:37am

re: #119 Stephen T.

Someone once gave me a justification for saving the 10,000 fertilized eggs over the 30 grade school children.

“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.”

I had no comeback for that one.

“Logic is only the beginning of wisdom. It is not the end”.

On a serious note, those of who think about healthcare ethics (as in my field, which revolves around how to make the best use scare healthcare resources) understand that while utilitarianism is a useful philosophy, it has its limits.

139 Amory Blaine  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 2:22:41am

Macabre art.

Maria Rubinke

140 Kragar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 2:28:31am

re: #138 Kruk

“Logic is only the beginning of wisdom. It is not the end”.

“Because of the diverse conditions of humans, it happens that some acts are virtuous to some people, as appropriate and suitable to them, while the same acts are immoral for others, as inappropriate to them.”

- Thomas Aquinas

141 freetoken  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 2:44:30am

Compare and contrast:

First, this:

Supermagnets present ongoing child health risks

The continued sale and availability of powerful, neodymium magnets—typically 10 to 20 times stronger than traditional magnets— are causing an increase in pediatric ingestion-related injuries, according to an abstract presented Sunday, Oct. 27, at the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) National Conference and Exhibition in Orlando.

[…] In 2012, the U.S. Consumer Production Safety Commission (CPSC) banned the future sale and issued a product recall of supermagnet desk toys. This came in the wake of several multiple magnet ingestions that resulted in numerous cases of pediatric bowel perforation, sepsis and even the death of one child. While supermagnet toys are no longer marketed to small children in the U.S., they remain available online, and can still be found in adult desktop toys and other products bought before the recall. Canada has recently implemented a mandatory recall on some of these products and also banned their sale.

[…]

Researchers reviewed data on all foreign body ingestions in children ages birth to 18 years who were treated at The Hospital for Sick Children (SickKids) from April 1, 2001, to Dec. 21, 2012. Out of over 2,700 ingestions over a 10-year-period, 94 involved magnets. Although the first recorded magnet ingestion occurred in 2004, the data shows a significant increase in both single and multiple magnet ingestion, with multiple magnet ingestion increasing the most in the last three years of the study. The age of patients ranged from 7 months to 13 years with a mean age of 4.5 years. Sixty-five percent were boys, compared with 35 percent girls.

The magnets were removed surgically in six patients, and endoscopically in 10 patients. No deaths were reported.

[…]

“Parents, teachers, physicians and the general public need to be made aware of the potential dangers, and assure that these toys are kept away from children,” Dr. Rosenfield said. “We applaud governmental bodies in the U.S. and abroad for taking a strong stance in removing these products from the market.”

So, yet another toy discovered to be dangerous, a number of ingestions reported, one child dies, the product is banned for sale as toy and efforts are underway to remove the product from general circulation in other consumer goods.

And now this:

Prevalence of household gun ownership linked to child gun shot wounds

There are approximately 7,500 child hospitalizations and 500 in-hospital deaths each year due to injuries sustained from guns. In an abstract presented Oct. 27 at the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) National Conference and Exhibition in Orlando, researchers also identified a link between the percentage of homes with guns and the prevalence of child gunshot injuries.

In “United States Gunshot Violence—Disturbing Trends,” researchers reviewed statistics from the Kids’ Inpatient Database (KID) from 1997, 2000, 2003, 2006 and 2009 (for a total of 36 million pediatric hospital admissions), and estimated state household gun ownership using the most recent Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System data (2004).

The study found that approximately 7,500 children are admitted to the hospital for the treatment of injuries sustained from guns each year, and more than 500 children die during hospital admission from these injuries. Between 1997 and 2009, hospitalizations from gunshot wounds increased from 4,270 to 7,730, and in-hospital deaths from 317 to 503.

The study also found a significant association between the percentage of gunshot wounds occurring in the home and the percentage of households containing any firearms, loaded firearms and unlocked loaded firearms.

“Handguns account for the majority of childhood gunshot wounds and this number appears to be increasing over the last decade,” said lead study author Arin L. Madenci, MD, MPH. “Furthermore, states with higher percentages of household firearm ownership also tended to have higher proportions of childhood gunshot wounds, especially those occurring in the home.”

[…]

500 deaths (in hospitals alone) from child gunshot wounds, thousands others injured, each year … and no bans, not even close, can’t even up the registration requirements or in some cases background checks.

The magical powers of guns over America continues.

142 freetoken  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 2:48:54am

The GreenSnow show’s daily episode:

US has been spying on Angela Merkel for a decade, German magazine claims

The German magazine Der Spiegel has claimed US authorities bugged chancellor Angela Merkel’s mobile phone for over a decade.

The publication claims to have seen documents from America’s National Security Agency (NSA) which show Ms Merkel’s number on a list since 2002.

It is unclear what type of monitoring was undertaken, Der Spiegel states, with suggestions the German chancellor’s phone conversations may have been recorded or her contacts scrutinised.

[…]

The German magazine has now also claimed the NSA had a unit set up in the US embassy in Berlin which monitored government communications.

It also suggested there were 80 other such locations around the world, 19 of them in Europe.

The White House and Ms Merkel’s spokesman have so far refused to comment on the fresh allegations.

As “fresh” as last week’s socks.

143 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 2:49:32am

re: #141 freetoken

You can have my magnets when you pry them from my cold, dead, caecum.

144 Amory Blaine  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 2:53:36am

Water, fire, air and dirt
Fucking magnets, how do they work?
And I don’t wanna talk to a scientist
Y’all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed.

- Insane Clown Posse, Miracles (2009)

Youtube Video

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 3:21:13am

re: #83 klys

Regular water has dead fetuses swimming around in it

146 Amory Blaine  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 3:27:50am

Gotta save money somehow. O_o

Youtube Video

147 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 3:52:13am

re: #146 Amory Blaine

Gotta save money somehow. O_o

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Went to their facebook page. This either the most elaborate hoax ever mounted, a really stupid/hopeless entrepreneur, or a brilliant out-of-the boxer addressing a real problem. if real, it seems to be having problems with our FDA types, but might have appeal for preppers, Antarctic explorers, and medical missionaries.

The webwisdom can’t seem to reach consensus. I’m noting a 1 year discrepancy between the claimed startup date and the later date the website was registered.

If it were closer to 1 April, I’d be expecting a delayed punchline.

148 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:00:13am

Guess it’ll be tough to just go outside for a smoke!!

dailymail.co.uk
Designer creates incredible futuristic city where people live beneath the waves

149 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:02:49am

Speaking of male domination: MSNBC airing a reprise of the Fritzel story in Austria, where “privacy” is almost cult-like, and there is a law wiping out criminal convictions after 10 yrs, which more than likely played a huge part in the tragedy that occurred there. Of course, when you have an Austrian psychiatrist attributing Fritzel himself with just having a huge sexual appetite (he often made trips to Thailand for sex as Elisabeth aged), then you still have problems getting to the root of this kind of patriarchal power.

Whatever became of Elisabeth Fritzl?

Her 24-year ordeal of captivity and rape in that cellar in Amstetten is beyond belief. But Josef Fritzl’s daughter is fighting back

independent.co.uk

150 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:05:07am

re: #148 sattv4u2

Guess it’ll be tough to just go outside for a smoke!!

dailymail.co.uk
Designer creates incredible futuristic city where people live beneath the waves

Years ago, when the anti-smoking trend was getting it’s first strong support, Hartsfield airport built 20x20 glass tanks in the waiting areas for smokers. When you walked by a crowded one, it was like some great sad blue-tinged aquarium.

151 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:06:16am

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Years ago, when the anti-smoking trend was getting it’s first strong support, Hartsfield airport built 20x20 glass tanks in the waiting areas for smokers. When you walked by a crowded one, it was like some great sad blue-tinged aquarium.

Yup. Logan in Boston did the same thing

152 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:07:21am

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Hartsfield still has a couple. iirc, there’s still one in the international terminal (it’s been almost 9 months since I last flew international from there there though)

153 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:10:40am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

Ref the Austrian law:

“Josef Fritzl was convicted for raping a 24-year-old woman in the city of Linz in 1967 and sentenced to 18 months in jail. According to an annual report for 1967 and a press release of the same year, he was also named as a suspect in a case of attempted rape and known for indecent exposure. More than 25 years later, when he applied for the adoption of one child and foster care for two others, of children to whom his daughter Elisabeth had given birth, his criminal record was not made available to local social service authorities since it had been expunged in accordance with Austrian law.”[33]

en.wikipedia.org

154 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:14:26am

re: #152 sattv4u2

Hartsfield still has a couple. iirc, there’s still one in the international terminal (it’s been almost 9 months since I last flew international from there there though)

Heh. Probably maintaining an air-free environment for people passing through from one smoke-heavy country to another. That fresh O2 shock can kill ya.

155 Amory Blaine  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:26:28am

Umm. Ok.

156 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:27:43am

re: #155 Amory Blaine

Umm. Ok.

Start em young

Hook em for life

157 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:27:59am

bbiab,,, have to switch puters

158 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:33:17am

re: #157 sattv4u2

bbiab,,, have to switch puters

Does yours have a potty seat?

159 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:34:05am

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Does yours have a potty seat?

Depends!

160 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:40:27am

First, comparing France’s reaction to the release of NSA’s files and the closing of Rick’s Bar, for chrissakes. Defending Snowden and Greenwald:


Secondly, Joshua Foust is “basically mistaken” according to the Georgetown academic who wrote the piece, because he “interprets our piece as evidence that Snowden is indeed intent on damaging America, rather than securing civil liberties.”

161 Flounder  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:51:07am

Dammit, my hands are already cracked and dry, it is too early in this cold season to be breaking out the Jerkens.

162 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 4:59:06am

re: #65 Dancing along the light of day

As are the bazillions of teenagers who read & agree with her!
(Why does she so appeal to teenagers?)

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

163 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 5:01:31am

re: #71 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

The quickening is the point at which the fetus’s movements can be detected.

“Quick” used to mean “alive”, as in the Biblical phrase “the quick and the dead”.

I hear the woe ‘quickening’ and this song starts playing in my head.

Youtube Video

164 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 5:06:14am

Periodic Pumpkins

165 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 5:09:37am

re: #119 Stephen T.

Someone once gave me a justification for saving the 10,000 fertilized eggs over the 30 grade school children.

“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.”

I had no comeback for that one.

Those aren’t the many yet.

166 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 5:13:06am

re: #141 freetoken

The magical powers of guns over America continues.

And shall continue as long as America, to too many people, is a religion and firearms are the holy icon of that religion.

167 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 5:23:12am

re: #142 freetoken

The GreenSnow show’s daily episode:

US has been spying on Angela Merkel for a decade, German magazine claims

As “fresh” as last week’s socks.

Pretty certain that Germany itself has been spied on by the US for quite a number of years longer than 2002, no matter who was in power in either country. In fact, Angela Merkel, coming from the former East Germany, has probably been spied on all her life by someone.

169 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 5:32:29am

re: #168 Varek Raith

That is sad. I remember her very well. She was very funny.

170 Flounder  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 5:39:57am

re: #168 Varek Raith

too young :(

171 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 5:43:43am

So—preventing the theft and release of state secrets (by a non-journalist, BTW, who provided them to other non-journalists who passed them on to MSM) is now akin to a “culture of intimidation and harassment of journalists in DC”?


This is something GG retweeted, of course.

And what happened to the link above? It flatlined…

172 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 5:58:33am

re: #116 Kragar

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BRC_807 is one of the stalkers. Block it and do not respond.

173 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 5:58:46am

re: #167 Justanotherhuman

We spy on them, they spy on us. Pretty much business as usual.

174 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:03:58am
175 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:04:28am

I’m feeling lazy today. Should I go to the swimming pool to work out?

176 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:04:54am

I probably should.

177 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:06:23am

re: #172 Vicious Babushka
Is that still going on?
It’s been what, five years since the great flouncing?

178 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:06:45am

re: #177 Boondock St. Bender

Is that still going on?
It’s been what, five years since the great flouncing?

They are some sick fucks out there.

179 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:07:42am

re: #175 Vicious Babushka

Go for it!
You’ll feel better for the exercise and overcoming inertia!

180 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:16:05am

These women are terrific. They should be supported world wide.

Saudi authorities arrest 14 women for driving

Saudi women got behind the wheel Saturday as part of the Women2Drive campaign to amend the kingdom’s laws to legalize driving by women.

haaretz.com

You don’t even have to have a law banning women drivers, just don’t issue licenses.

“No law prevents women from driving in Saudi Arabia, but driver’s licenses are not issued to women there. Female violators in the past have been arrested and fined. Many Saudi women have driving licenses from other Gulf countries. “

181 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:18:34am

Greenwald is going to ride that horse till it drops… unfortunately for him, It looks like it already has.

182 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:18:59am

Scrolls up. O_o Hmm. Anywho, hit the sack around 2100.

183 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:20:35am

re: #180 Justanotherhuman
Good for them!
Thats how the battle for eqality starts!

184 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:22:58am

re: #183 Boondock St. Bender

Good for them!
Thats how the battle for eqality starts!

It’s also how “faith” is used against women. Over and over, time and time again, no matter what the issue.

As a woman, it was not hard for me to “convert” to atheism at a very early age.

185 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:23:15am
PHILLIPS: Ladies and gentlemen, you’ve just heard Mr. Wilmuth, owner of the farm where this thing has fallen. I wish I could convey the atmosphere … the background of this … fantastic scene. Hundreds of cars are parked in a field in back of us. Police are trying to rope off the roadway leading to the farm. But it’s no use. They’re breaking right through. Cars’ headlights throw an enormous spot on the pit where the object’s half buried. Some of the more daring souls are now venturing near the edge. Their silhouettes stand out against the metal sheen.

(FAINT HUMMING SOUND)
One man wants to touch the thing … he’s having an argument with a policeman. The policeman wins… . Now, ladies and gentlemen, there’s something I haven’t mentioned in all this excitement, but now it’s becoming more distinct. Perhaps you’ve caught it already on your radio. Listen:

(LONG PAUSE) …

Do you hear it? It’s a curious humming sound that seems to come from inside the object. I’ll move the microphone nearer. (PAUSE) Now we’re not more then twenty-five feet away. Can you hear it now? Oh, Professor Pierson!

PIERSON: Yes, Mr. Phillips?

PHILLIPS: Can you tell us the meaning of that scraping noise inside the thing?

PIERSON: Possibly the unequal cooling of its surface.

PHILLIPS: I see, do you still think it’s a meteor, Professor?

PIERSON: I don’t know what to think. The metal casing is definitely extraterrestrial … not found on this earth. Friction with the earth’s atmosphere usually tears holes in a meteorite. This thing is smooth and, as you can see, of cylindrical shape.

PHILLIPS: Just a minute! Something’s happening! Ladies and gentlemen, this is terrific! This end of the thing is beginning to flake off! The top is beginning to rotate like a screw! The thing must be hollow!

VOICES: She’s movin’! Look, the darn thing’s unscrewing! Keep back, there! Keep back, I tell you! Maybe there’s men in it trying to escape! It’s red hot, they’ll burn to a cinder! Keep back there. Keep those idiots back!

(SUDDENLY THE CLANKING SOUND OF A HUGE PIECE OF FALLING METAL)

186 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:25:00am

re: #185 Gus

Orson Welles’ The War of the Worlds radio broadcast?

187 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:25:59am

re: #186 wheat-dogghazi

Orson Welles’ The War of the Worlds radio broadcast?

Si. Es very good? No?

188 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:27:07am

Huevos Rancheros

189 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:27:36am

re: #187 Gus

Si. Es very good? No?

Claro, fue muy bien hecho.

190 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:28:09am

re: #187 Gus

Si. Es very good? No?

The War of the Worlds radio broadcast by Orson Welles was nothing short of sheer, epic genius.

191 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:28:24am

re: #189 wheat-dogghazi

Claro, fue muy bien hecho.

I’m hoping the real thing will happen some day. I’m bored. //

192 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:29:05am

re: #184 Justanotherhuman
True. I guess misogony is OK if some old book says it is.

193 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:29:13am

re: #190 Dr Lizardo

The War of the Worlds radio broadcast by Orson Welles was nothing short of sheer, epic genius.

Think it was part of a music class lesson way back. Not sure if it was in the 3rd grade. Might have been.

194 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:31:13am

re: #193 Gus

Think it was part of a music class lesson way back. Not sure if it was in the 3rd grade. Might have been.

Once upon a time, we had the broadcast on LPs. They’re lost by now, and you can probably find it online anyway.

195 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:32:26am

I was listening to a musical version of “War of the Worlds” the other day.
The Moody blues did the music i beleive and Richard Burton did the narration.His voice was fantastic.
Inspired me to reread the book.

196 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:33:10am

re: #194 wheat-dogghazi

Once upon a time, we had the broadcast on LPs. They’re lost by now, and you can probably find it online anyway.

Today is the 75th anniversary.

197 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:33:46am

Is this guy like a ‘bagger in India? He’s a Hindu nationalist with pretty wide appeal there.

Narendra Modi’s Rise in India

nytimes.com

Tragedy.

Blasts kill five at rally for Indian opposition candidate Modi

reuters.com

“It was the first outbreak of violence since Modi, the challenger from the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party, began an aggressive campaign to oust the ruling Congress-led coalition.

“To his critics Modi is a deeply polarizing figure under whose watch Muslims were attacked in deadly rioting in 2002 in the western state of Gujarat which he has governed for three straight terms.

“But to his growing army of supporters including many in Indian business, the BJP strongman is the best hope the nation has of turning around the economy after helping turn Gujarat into one of the country’s fastest growing states.”

198 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:35:37am

War of the Worlds: 2013 Redux
Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald spill the beans on secret plans to thwart the alien invaders.
Guardian covers.
//

199 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:37:41am

Things are going to get real ugly in India soon.

200 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:40:14am

re: #198 Gus
Martians purchase medical masks and hand sanitizer.

201 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:40:50am

re: #193 Gus

Think it was part of a music class lesson way back. Not sure if it was in the 3rd grade. Might have been.

There’s a British TV program - a one-shot - called Alternative III; there’s some folks out there who insist that it was real, and not a modern-day War of the Worlds type of broadcast; it was intended to be an April Fools Day prank.

en.wikipedia.org

Youtube Video

It’s pretty good; I doubt the writers/producers ever imagined it would become a conspiracy theory.

202 sagehen  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:40:53am

re: #140 Kragar

“Because of the diverse conditions of humans, it happens that some acts are virtuous to some people, as appropriate and suitable to them, while the same acts are immoral for others, as inappropriate to them.”

- Thomas Aquinas

“So you stick a knife in someone, slice open their guts. Maybe that makes you a murderer. Then again, maybe you’re a surgeon.”
— attribution unknown

203 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:41:04am

re: #200 Boondock St. Bender
er…um…tenticle sanitizer

204 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:43:47am

re: #200 Boondock St. Bender

Martians purchase medical masks and hand sanitizer.

Tens of thousands of Guy Fawkes masked protesters greet alien ship in peaceful gathering only to be sucked in by long vacuum device never to be seen again.

205 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:44:36am

Stop Watching Us, Obama! And Other Nonsensical Tantrums

Oh, because we should never forget what is most important in this life, they showed up to remind us with their too-cool-for-you signs about being spied on by President Obama, hailed Edward Snowden as the anti-Obama movement’s Max Headroom catalyst(even reading a statement to the crowd from President Richard Starkey himself!), and proceeded to shit all over whatever it was they thought they were protesting in the first place.

Now we’re supposed to be pissed off at Obama because German Chancellor Angela Merkel was spied on during the Bush administration going back to 2002? I thought foreign surveillance was exactly what the NSA is supposed to be doing?

206 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:50:40am

Paris also snoops on US, says French former spy boss

“I am amazed by such disconcerting naiveté,” he said in the interview. “You’d almost think our politicians don’t bother to read the reports they get from the intelligence services.”

Loliknowrite.

207 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:52:03am

War of the Worlds 2013: Human Resources Department

208 steve_davis  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:52:34am

re: #40 Justanotherhuman

Wait—no woman “let’s” (sic) a man rape her.

Often a theme in those awful Harlequin-type “romance” novels, though, from what I’ve heard.

Women all have “rape fantasies” except we don’t. Another male myth.

One of my favorite stories from an athology, the author of whom I can’t remember: women sitting around discussing their rape fantasies, and they all turn out to be variations of having a man break into the house, and then turn out to be an excellent listener, and really caring.

209 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:53:49am

Texas governor Rick Perry combats Martians with mass prayer meeting.
in other news…Meet Texas’ new governor!

210 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:56:21am

Youtube Video

211 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 6:57:42am

re: #208 steve_davis
Even if someone did have a fantasy, it would be just that.
I have zombie apocolypse fantasies,that doesn’t mean i really want it to happen!

212 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:02:00am
213 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:03:12am

re: #205 Varek Raith

Most of those people wish they were interesting enough to be spied upon.

214 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:11:21am

re: #206 Varek Raith
We spy on everyone and they spy on us.
trust, but verify.(or is it only ok when we do it?)

215 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:17:14am

re: #210 Varek Raith
Slim Whitman will save us!

216 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:20:39am

re: #210 Varek Raith

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I loved that movie! Substitute the R party, as it is now constituted, for the Martians and there you have our present day situation.

Rs are just nothing more than flame and bomb throwers these days. They don’t work for the people, they work for maximum reactionary response and their own lousy careers and money.

They don’t give a flying fig for any of the poor schlubs who are drawn in to their bullshit.

217 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:21:26am

re: #215 Boondock St. Bender

Slim Whitman will save us!

Oo-Oo-Oo-Oo, Oo-Oo-Oo-Oo
When I’m calling you
Oo-Oo-Oo-Oo, Oo-Oo-Oo-Oo
Will you answer too?
Oo-Oo-Oo-Oo, Oo-Oo-Oo-Oo

218 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:24:11am
219 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:26:09am

It does seem that the anti- tea party republicans are starting to find their nerve. After the shutdown debacle there was some grumbling from a few republicans. Hopefully this is the begining of the end.

220 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:26:32am

MONSTER ASSHOLE TWEETED IT AGAIN!!

221 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:27:42am

re: #216 Justanotherhuman

“They blew up Congress! Hahahahahaha!”

Love that lady.

222 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:27:42am
223 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:29:46am
224 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:33:05am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka
He must be enjoying the attention.

225 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:34:57am
226 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:35:07am
talkin’ to my daddy on his dying bed
with a smile on his face this is what he said
when i came out of my mothers womb
found myself in the delivery room
all bloody and wet i reppelled to the floor
cut the umbilical cord
crawled to the door cruised the ward
i was looking good, baby little marine like i should
humvee stroller tricycle tank
had 3 diaper pens on my collar 4 rank
down the hall i heard some crying
like heck walked right in called attention on deck!
i said listen up wimps im in command
all your crying and sniveling i will not stand
they said aye aye sir and i had it made
i was commanding officer of the baby brigade!!!
semper fi do or die hold ‘em high at 8th and I
hoorah
hoorah!
227 urbanmeemaw  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:35:28am

re: #120 GeneJockey

I think it’s more a case of punishing poor and middle class women who have sex. Wealthy women have always had the means to obtain an abortion.

228 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:36:01am

Hey, GG!

Youtube Video

229 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:40:13am

re: #196 Gus

Today is the 75th anniversary.

The panic that broadcast created is the reason why TV dramatizations have disclaimers every 15 minutes or so to remind people they’re only fiction.

230 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:42:32am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

MONSTER ASSHOLE TWEETED IT AGAIN!!

Matt has The Truth™ on his side. Mere mortals cannot but submit to his mighty Tweeting power.

231 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:44:27am

re: #138 Kruk

“Logic is only the beginning of wisdom. It is not the end”.

On a serious note, those of who think about healthcare ethics (as in my field, which revolves around how to make the best use scare healthcare resources) understand that while utilitarianism is a useful philosophy, it has its limits.

If you run it beyond healthcare these same people should be all over the place espousing the return of the military draft.

232 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:46:33am

re: #229 wheat-dogghazi

The panic that broadcast created is the reason why TV dramatizations have disclaimers every 15 minutes or so to remind people they’re only fiction.

Heh. We need those for movies based on real events for modern day cubicle Americans.

233 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:47:20am

re: #232 Gus

Heh. We need those for movies based on real events for modern day cubicle Americans.

Wanna borrow my UFO?
It has lasers…

234 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:49:08am

re: #233 Varek Raith

Wanna borrow my UFO?
It has lasers…

Fort Knox here I come. Because that’s how I roll. //

235 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:49:53am

re: #195 Boondock St. Bender

I was listening to a musical version of “War of the Worlds” the other day.
The Moody blues did the music i beleive and Richard Burton did the narration.His voice was fantastic.
Inspired me to reread the book.

Jeff Wayne’s “War of the Worlds” from 1978. Members of the Moody Blues added songs, but did not do the whole thing. Richard Burton is the voice of the narrating character.

Youtube Video

236 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:51:18am

re: #234 Gus

Waste of time, the ron paul types have stated that Ft.Knox is empty…apparently the fed stole it all….

237 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:52:03am
238 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:52:09am

re: #235 Feline Fearless Leader
Yes thats it!
Burtons voice is haunting.

239 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:52:42am

re: #237 darthstar

He’s the first GOP guy to co-sign HR 15 - immigration reform bill in the house. I asked him why he didn’t just support the Senate bill.

240 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:53:01am

re: #236 Boondock St. Bender

Waste of time, the ron paul types have stated that Ft.Knox is empty…apparently the fed stole it all….

“Teh JUICE own all the gold.”
— Man in Guy Fawkes Mask

241 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:54:58am

re: #236 Boondock St. Bender

Waste of time, the ron paul types have stated that Ft.Knox is empty…apparently the fed stole it all….

Nothing a 10Gw laser can’t fix.

242 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:55:11am

re: #240 Gus
oJ stole our gold????

243 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:55:26am
244 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:55:32am

re: #240 Gus

“Teh JUICE own all the gold.”
— Man in Guy Fawkes Mask

Incorrect, as I stole it all from the Juice.

245 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:55:43am

re: #243 Gus

Lol

246 urbanmeemaw  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:55:52am

re: #174 Vicious Babushka

“But, but, why didn’t he mention MEEEEEEE!

247 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:56:17am

re: #242 Boondock St. Bender

oJ stole our gold????

Teh Juice is loose! Well, not anymore. //

248 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:57:12am

re: #243 Gus

That was funny.

249 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 7:57:13am

re: #247 Gus

Teh Juice is loose! Well, not anymore. //

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250 ausador  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:00:11am

In regards to the N.C. state fair ride “accident” that injured 5 people, three of them severely enough to still be in the hospital. I posted the other day that there was no way the safety interlocks on the ride should have allowed the accident to happen. (Post with video here)

It turns out I was right, the rides operator has been arrested for intentionally by-passing the safety interlocks. I kinda figured that was going to be the case. (NBC article on arrest with video)

Scumbag…

251 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:01:07am
252 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:01:25am

EVERYBODY OUT OF THE HOUSE THERE’S A LOBSTER LOOSE!

253 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:02:46am
254 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:03:02am

re: #252 Gus

EVERYBODY OUT OF THE HOUSE THERE’S A LOBSTER LOOSE!

Youtube Video

255 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:03:07am

Or…

Everybody get out of here, there’s a lobster loose!

256 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:04:51am

They always play Percy Faith before the nuclear attack. //

257 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:05:32am

re: #250 ausador
Scary stuff,

258 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:06:41am
259 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:08:26am
260 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:09:02am
261 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:09:12am
Welcome to my world
Won’t you come on in
Miracles I guess
Still happen now and then

Step into my heart
Leave your cares behind
Welcome to my world
Built with you in mind

Knock and the door will open
Seek and you will find
Ask and you’ll be given
The key to this world of mine

I’ll be waiting here
With my arms unfurled
Waiting just for you
Welcome to my world

Waiting just for you
Welcome to my world

262 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:11:18am

Great, I copy one Santorum link and it leaves a film on my clipboard…here’s another.

263 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:12:07am

re: #262 darthstar
HA! Pot meet kettle

264 b.d.  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:12:57am

re: #258 darthstar

I already hate the guy

265 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:13:43am

Santorum weakens the nation every time he opens his mouth.

266 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:19:39am
267 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:23:42am

re: #266 darthstar

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Interestingly, Moses gets the most attention in the Koran; he is mentioned more than any other individual.

268 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:24:33am
269 blueraven  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:25:11am

re: #261 Gus

Eddy Arnold…he was my Dad’s favorite. Great voice!

270 Decatur Deb  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:25:29am

re: #258 darthstar

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Went to Chick-Fil-A University:

Berry College’s mission statement espouses “values based on Christian principles,”.[8] The school is also involved with Chick Fil-A, a Christian-run business[9] through their WinShape foundation programs, which require mandatory church attendance and adherence.[10] The campus has a chaplain, four chapels, and an active religion-in-life program supporting all Christian denominations and religions outside of Christianity. The school recognizes the Student Association for an Inter-Religious Community which is a student organization that encourages dialogue between religions represented on campus.

271 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:27:38am

MOAR MATT BARBER DERP
Actually this goes beyond DERP, which we can laugh at.
TEH GHEY IS SATIN BUT JEEZUS WANTS U 2 REFUDIATE TEH GHEY!!11!!

272 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:30:02am

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

MOAR MATT BARBER DERP
Actually this goes beyond DERP, which we can laugh at.
TEH GHEY IS SATIN BUT JEEZUS WANTS U 2 REFUDIATE TEH GHEY!!11!!

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Hey! Wasn’t that guy in 6 Feet Under? //

273 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:31:28am

I’m a little cranky I didn’t get to complete my laps in the pool because it was too crowded this morning. :(

274 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:32:28am

re: #267 Dr Lizardo

Interestingly, Moses gets the most attention in the Koran; he is mentioned more than any other individual.

I hear he supposes his toeses are roses but Moses supposes erroneously.

275 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:34:43am

re: #273 Vicious Babushka
Hey at least you went. A shortened workout is better than no workout at all.

276 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:39:50am


Bwahahaha!

Not Breitbart. Also notice the random capitalization.

277 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:40:53am

H/T

278 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:41:28am
279 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:48:17am
280 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:48:54am

WTF PRUDENCE

281 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:49:33am

re: #280 Vicious Babushka

WTF PRUDENCE

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Lol.

282 ausador  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:50:49am

Sigh…

Five shot dead, including suspect, in Phoenix apartment complex

Five people were found shot to death, including the suspected gunman, at an apartment complex in Phoenix, Arizona on Saturday morning police said.

Two dogs were also found dead at the scene, said Sgt. Tommy Thompson, spokesman for the Phoenix Police Department.

“The suspect is a white adult male, possibly in his 50s,” Thompson said, adding that the suspect’s body was found in a condominium next to the property where the victims were discovered.

“It appears he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound,” Thompson said.

The victims were two men, a woman and a teenage boy.

Thompson was unable to confirm the relationship between the suspect and the victims, but said “they were certainly living close by - like neighbors.”

Residents in the area told The Arizona Republic that the suspect and victims had previously argued over barking dogs.

I guess that guns don’t kill people, it is barking dogs that get people killed!
/

283 Mike Lamb  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:51:01am

So…whose body is it?

284 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:51:04am

My dad thinks I should start shaving again. He sent me some razors and shaving cream. Not gonna work. There’s no way I’m going to run some razor sharp knife edge across my face every morning. Yuck.

285 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:51:46am

re: #284 Gus

My dad thinks I should start shaving again. He sent me some razors and shaving cream. Not gonna work. There’s no way I’m going to run some razor sharp knife edge across my face every morning. Yuck.

Been there, done that.
Beard won.

286 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:52:38am

I only trim it with a 1/16 inch trimmer.

287 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:52:55am

I iz stylish.
Or some such.

288 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:53:17am

re: #263 Boondock St. Bender

HA! Pot meet kettle

Not really true: During his two terms as a senator Rick Santorum wasn’t obstructionist like Ted Cruz is. Of course it helped that he represented Pennsylvania instead of Texas.

289 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:53:56am
290 ausador  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:55:20am

re: #286 Varek Raith

I only trim it with a 1/16 inch trimmer.

Trimmer is the way to go, faster, easier, and less mess around the sink. I prefer having the permanent five o’clock shadow look that Miami Vice made so popular anyway. :p

291 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:55:25am
292 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:55:56am

re: #280 Vicious Babushka

WTF PRUDENCE

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293 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:56:09am

re: #286 Varek Raith

I only trim it with a 1/16 inch trimmer.

Scissors here.

294 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 8:58:26am

re: #284 Gus

My dad thinks I should start shaving again. He sent me some razors and shaving cream. Not gonna work. There’s no way I’m going to run some razor sharp knife edge across my face every morning. Yuck.

I miss my single-blade razor…best shave ever. Now I’m a Mach 3 user going on 10 years. It just isn’t the same as the old Schick Injector. That blade felt like a blade. And the cuts! My god, if you let that thing slip in your hand you could carve out a bleeder that would last an hour.

295 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:00:12am
296 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:00:52am

re: #294 darthstar

I miss my single-blade razor…best shave ever. Now I’m a Mach 3 user going on 10 years. It just isn’t the same as the old Schick Injector. That blade felt like a blade. And the cuts! My god, if you let that thing slip in your hand you could carve out a bleeder that would last an hour.

That’s what I used to shave with. Mach 3. Gets expensive too because I was actually a shaving nut.

297 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:01:40am

re: #296 Gus

That’s what I used to shave with. Mach 3. Gets expensive too because I was actually a shaving nut.

Every day from high school to just a few years ago. Boy, what a pita that was looking back.

298 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:02:50am


Woodward will win the coveted Glenny with statements like this:

National Security Agency spying both domestic and abroad and the disastrous rollout of the Affordable Care Act are the results, he said.

“We have an incredibly powerful government that gets on automatic pilot,” he said. People aren’t checking all of the boxes and the administration didn’t properly “practice” Obamacare.

299 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:04:53am

re: #298 darthstar

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Woodward will win the coveted Glenny with statements like this:

Oh brother.

300 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:05:49am

re: #299 Gus

Oh brother.

Catchy name for an award, though…right?

301 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:06:14am

re: #298 darthstar

I thought you liberals love Woodward. ;)

302 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:08:02am

Bob Woodward is Still A… Hack

;)

303 piratedan  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:08:45am

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

I thought you liberals love Woodward. ;)

I think liberals fell in love with the portrayal of Woodward by Robert Redford, sadly, the man (Woodward) has been living down that performance for the remainder of his life.

304 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:10:57am

re: #294 darthstar

I miss my single-blade razor…best shave ever. Now I’m a Mach 3 user going on 10 years. It just isn’t the same as the old Schick Injector. That blade felt like a blade. And the cuts! My god, if you let that thing slip in your hand you could carve out a bleeder that would last an hour.

That’s why I have a beard. It’s against my religion to bleed first thing in the morning.

305 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:13:51am

re: #304 Romantic Heretic
I use the fusion razor,i do have to say that it is a comfortable shave and nicks are very rare.(shaving face and cranium)

306 BongCrodny  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:14:01am

re: #262 darthstar

Great, I copy one Santorum link and it leaves a film on my clipboard…here’s another.

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When Santorum says that Cruz “did more harm than good,” did anyone ask him what the “good” part was?

307 jaunte  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:14:15am

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

MOAR MATT BARBER DERP
Actually this goes beyond DERP, which we can laugh at.
TEH GHEY IS SATIN BUT JEEZUS WANTS U 2 REFUDIATE TEH GHEY!!11!!

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Here’s what I’d say. I’d tell them exactly what I’m about to tell you.

I love you. I neither judge you nor condemn you. I accept you and I would die for you.

But you are not “gay.”

Yes, you may be physically attracted to people of the same sex, but how you act on those attractions is entirely your choice. Who you are - your identity - is not defined by your sexual feelings, temptations or behaviors. The difference between who you are and what you feel or do is as the difference between night and day.

Here is who you are: You are a wonderful, beautiful, precious human being created in the image and likeness of the one righteous and Holy God of the universe.

You are priceless.

But you are flawed - you are a sinner.

I am flawed - I am a sinner.

“As your father, I would prefer that you accept my emotional torture and continue to direct it on yourself, rather than be happy. That’s what I learned at home and in church, and it would please me if you passed it on.”

308 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:15:45am

re: #306 BongCrodny

When Santorum says that Cruz “did more harm than good,” did anyone ask him what the “good” part was?

Santorum thinks defunding Obamacare would be a good idea, but that Cruz had no viable plan to actually accomplish that and as a result his effects were a net minus.

309 RemainCalm  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:19:48am

A woman must always be able to take something out of her body that she does not want in there. If it becomes a person by virtue of being able to accept nourishment and oxygen outside of a host body, it has rights, and she can immediately relinquish her legal responsibility for that new person by signing a form. If she removes it before it is capable of independent existence, it’s a fetus made entirely from her body and belongs to her. This is not the difficult issue superstitious people try to make it out to be.

310 blueraven  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:20:20am

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

Santorum thinks defunding Obamacare would be a good idea, but that Cruz had no viable plan to actually accomplish that and as a result his effects were a net minus.

The Republicans, in general, have no plans for anything. Just say no and ignore all the crippling issues. Even if they had control of the WH and both Houses, I doubt they could pass major legislation. They are too divided and do not know how to govern.

311 BongCrodny  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:20:24am

re: #195 Boondock St. Bender

I was listening to a musical version of “War of the Worlds” the other day.
The Moody blues did the music i beleive and Richard Burton did the narration.His voice was fantastic.
Inspired me to reread the book.

Back in my college freshman days — a million or so years ago — a six-pack of Old Milwaukee (yes, yes, I know, but it was cheap) and Rick Wakeman’s “Journey To The Center Of The Earth” was all I needed to wind up on a different planet.

312 nastybrutishntall  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:20:56am

If I had majick powers, I would implant an ectopic snowflake right in that guy’s epidymis. Then watch how fast he calls to make an appointment to deliver that beautiful Gift from God into the biohazard bin.

313 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:21:29am

Youtube Video

314 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:23:55am

re: #310 blueraven

The Republicans, in general, have no plans for anything. Just say no and ignore all the crippling issues. Even if they had control of the WH and both Houses, I doubt they could pass major legislation. They are too divided and do not know how to govern.

Many Republicans do know how to govern, but there are those like Ted Cruz and Ted Yoho who don’t want to actually govern, because actually passing a mjor piece of legislation would ruin their purity.

315 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:24:45am

re: #284 Gus

My dad thinks I should start shaving again. He sent me some razors and shaving cream. Not gonna work. There’s no way I’m going to run some razor sharp knife edge across my face every morning. Yuck.

I recently started shaving with a safety razor, shaving soap, brush & bowl. Much more pleasant than the overpriced multi-blade cartridges and the nasty aerosol shave creams out there. It takes about 10~15 minutes a day but I end up looking and feeling better about it in the end.

316 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:25:55am

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

I thought you liberals love Woodward. ;)

Who?

317 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:27:09am

re: #315 William Barnett-Lewis

I recently started shaving with a safety razor, shaving soap, brush & bowl. Much more pleasant than the overpriced multi-blade cartridges and the nasty aerosol shave creams out there. It takes about 10~15 minutes a day but I end up looking and feeling better about it in the end.

Duct tape.
One good yank and poof!

318 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:27:21am

Racists love racially charged incidents. It gives them opportunity to slander and marginalize people who speak out against racism.

If there is a racial incident on the East Coast you can be damn sure Sharpton will be there. Just as surely wingnut agitators will be slurring Sharpton yammering about ‘shakedowns’ and ‘race pimps’ and changing the narrative to demonize people who challenge the status quo.

319 ausador  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:27:27am

Time for me to go get my weekly re-stock of e-cigarette “juice” except this time the bottle didn’t last quite a full week. Oh well, just stepped down in nicotine content again so I’m using it a little more often.

I have gone from 24mg juice to 18mg and now down to 12mg, in a few more weeks I’ll drop down to 6mg, eventually to be followed by 0mg (and quitting altogether). It has been over three months now since I had a “real” cigarette after smoking for 35 years so I’m pretty pleased with my progress so far.

I’m also pleased to not be spending the first fifteen minutes of every morning hacking up crap from my lungs. I doubt that inhaling propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin vapor with added nicotine isn’t going to have negative effects on your health long term too. But it does seem to be an effective and fairly painless way to quit if you stick to the plan.

Much less expensive too, $12.00 a week for juice after spending about $60.00 for equipment (two extended life eGo-T batteries $32.00, iclear 16 cylinder $10.00, USB charger $5.00, wall charger $7.00, so far only one replacement “wick” for the iclear cylinder $4.00).

320 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:27:58am
321 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:40:50am

Take Twitter with you!

Umm, NO!

322 Single-handed sailor  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:43:47am

re: #284 Gus

My dad thinks I should start shaving again. He sent me some razors and shaving cream. Not gonna work. There’s no way I’m going to run some razor sharp knife edge across my face every morning. Yuck.

Do like I do, once a week whether I need it or not.

323 blueraven  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:44:28am

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

Many Republicans >do know how to govern, but there are those like Ted Cruz and Ted Yoho who don’t want to actually govern, because actually passing a mjor piece of legislation would ruin their purity.

Yes, and the Ted Cruz’ and Yoho’s will block any immigration reform, keep fighting healthcare reform. Try to initiate more austerity programs. Work harder to alienate women, minorities and Gays.
The Bible is their main governing document.

324 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:51:14am

I’m seeing chatter about some new racist image described as:

2 white men one in tar black face with a bullet wound sweatshirt and one with a neighborhood watch t-shirt with a white woman standing between them, smiling wide and innocent

Trying to find it.

325 Gus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:54:48am

Sleepy. bbl

326 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 9:57:16am

re: #324 Tim TeaBro

I’m seeing chatter about some new racist image described as:

Trying to find it.

Oh boy. I found it. Totally not funny, totally racist.

327 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:02:45am

re: #323 blueraven

Yes, and the Ted Cruz’ and Yoho’s will block any immigration reform, keep fighting healthcare reform. Try to initiate more austerity programs. Work harder to alienate women, minorities and Gays.
The Bible is their main governing document.

No, it isn’t. If it was they’d DERP less and would be more genuinely charitable.

328 blueraven  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:04:57am

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

No, it isn’t. If it was they’d DERP less and would be more genuinely charitable.

Not when you take every word literally.

329 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:06:00am

re: #326 Tim TeaBro

Oh boy. I found it. Totally not funny, totally racist.

And Internet Justice begins to be meted out…

330 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:06:10am

re: #326 Tim TeaBro

Oh boy. I found it. Totally not funny, totally racist.

Quite Concur. Wearing that kind of blackface as part of a Halloween costume would have been racist in and of itself, but making fun of someone getting killed makes it order-of-magnitude worse.

331 Lidane  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:10:19am

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

No, it isn’t. If it was they’d DERP less and would be more genuinely charitable.

You misunderstand. They use the Derp Edition of the Bible, which says that helping the poor and disadvantaged is slavery.

332 kerFuFFler  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:11:25am

re: #14 jamesfirecat

Can we expect to see them beating down the doors for mandatory kidney donation next?

(Come on people it’s murder if you refuse to give up the use of one of your organs to someone else who would die without it!)

No, because men have kidneys too….

333 ausador  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:12:21am

re: #331 Lidane

You misunderstand. They use the Derp Ayn Rand Edition of the Bible, which says that helping the poor and disadvantaged is slavery.

FTFY

334 sagehen  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:13:24am

re: #323 blueraven

Yes, and the Ted Cruz’ and Yoho’s will block any immigration reform, keep fighting healthcare reform. Try to initiate more austerity programs. Work harder to alienate women, minorities and Gays.
The Bible is their main governing document.

If the Bible were truly their governing document, they’d be all in on immigration reform.

For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who is not partial and takes no bribe, who executes justice for the orphan and the widow, and who loves the strangers, providing them with food and clothing. You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Deuteronomy)

335 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:13:51am

re: #332 kerFuFFler

No, because men have kidneys too….

Check your license!

Youtube Video

336 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:14:13am

re: #329 Tim TeaBro

And Internet Justice begins to be meted out…

Some of the comments are seriously bad, though:

Greg Cimeno should be lynched!”
Review Score: +9

Greg Cimeno has the IQ of a bowling ball! He thinks its a good idea to make fun of a dead child. He is an imbecile who deserves to be put in front of a firing squad!!!!

Reviewed by I hate racist POS’s on 10/28/2013 2:18:46 AM
Racist asshole
Review Score: +7

God will deal with you

Reviewed by on 10/28/2013 2:19:44 AM
RACIST
Review Score: +9

HE SHOULD BE DRAGGED OUT INTO THE STREET AND SHOT.

Reviewed by Concerned Citizen on 10/28/2013 2:21:16 AM

Making death threats is not cool. Yes, this Greg Cimeno is a racist asshole, but killing him would only make things worse. As it is, comments like that are liable to be cherry-picked by Buchanan-type extremists as “proof of how dangerous the left is”.

Then there’s this little gem of a comment:

GREAT WORK!
Review Score: 0

Mr. Cimeno pissed off all of these inferior jigaboos. He must be doing something right! Stay mad, shitskins!


Also, learn to spell and punctuate properly. Your inferiority is showing.

Reviewed by Nathan Bedford Forrest on 10/28/2013 3:19:28 AM

That there are people who would use Gen. Forrest’s name as their handle in a post about black people is almost as bad as the comment itself.

Excuse me, that last one was so filthy I need to wash my hands.

337 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:15:06am

14 Times People Dressed As People Of Other Races For Halloween And Managed Not To Be Offensive

Julianne Hough didn’t get the memo.

338 ausador  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:15:33am

re: #14 jamesfirecat

re: #332 kerFuFFler

Youtube Video


Edit: Second time this week I have been ninja’d by FFL, get out of my head dammit! re: #335 Feline Fearless Leader

339 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:15:40am

The hell is wrong with people?!?!
Yeesh.

340 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:16:53am

re: #337 Tim TeaBro

Win.
Image: enhanced-buzz-16728-1382813091-4.jpg

341 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:17:55am

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

Of course there’s horrible comments there. Notice at the top the picture of the ‘evil Jew’ and the stormfront link as his website.

It’s a scrum of madness, but let us not forget the initial cause.

342 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:18:06am

Colombian rebels release US hostage

Colombia’s Farc rebels release US hostage, former Marine Kevin Scott [Sutay], to International Red Cross

bbc.co.uk

You might remember this is the guy’s release that FARC invited Jesse Jackson to discuss.

reuters.com

343 Mattand  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:19:57am

OT complaint: all these stores in the tech press about how you can save massive bucks by ditching cable and going internet only? Bullshit.

At least around here with comcast and Verizon, we’ll save about $30 a month. Not worth it when you factor having to chase down stuff through other venues (iTunes, Hulu, etc.)

Rant over.

344 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:21:18am

Go go gadget death ray!

345 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:23:31am

re: #341 Tim TeaBro

Of course there’s horrible comments there. Notice at the top the picture of the ‘evil Jew’ and the stormfront link as his website.

It’s a scrum of madness, but let us not forget the initial cause.

I don’t and I won’t. There’s one comment in particular I won’t forget, where the poster spins a violent fantasy about the racist carpenter doing an repair to the poster’s armoire after the poster shoots dead a black teenager who was trying to burgle his house.

I won’t quote from that one, since it just makes me too sick. The amount of hate behind that sort of sentiment… I just don’t have any words to describe how horrid I find such words to be.

346 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:26:47am

re: #343 Mattand

OT complaint: all these stores in the tech press about how you can save massive bucks by ditching cable and going internet only? Bullshit.

At least around here with comcast and Verizon, we’ll save about $30 a month. Not worth it when you factor having to chase down stuff through other venues (iTunes, Hulu, etc.)

Rant over.

I’m saving half the cost of first tier, or basic, cable, internet and phone by cutting cable out. $70/mo. That’s what I pay for internet/phone. And I think that $70 is outrageous, since Charter sucks a big one—always going out in the middle of the night or when they “upgrade”, at least once a month. The only other option around here is satellite (which the landlord won’t allow) or AT&T (crappy).

347 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:27:22am

re: #343 Mattand

Agreed, this is developing capacity, not well deployed. Lets look at Netflix streaming via BRD player-Awful interface. Then when you tediously dig in for some movie you missed years ago or want to see again after a long time-Good luck if it’s Saturday night. 1 to 2 mbps ain’t it boys. Added edit-Nothing wrecks the carefully crafted moment of a great scene than the old internet video stutter step!

When I watch something more current and popular, 9 mbps.

On the up side it’s a big enough threat to keep the market more competitive.

348 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:28:55am

re: #347 Political Atheist

Agreed, this is developing capacity, not well deployed. Lets look at Netflix streaming via BRD player-Awful interface. Then when you tediously dig in for some movie you missed years ago or want to see again after a long time-Good luck if it’s Saturday night. 1 to 2 mbps ain’t it boys. When I watch something more current and popular, 9 mbps.

On the up side it’s a big enough threat to keep the market more competitive.

We watch Netflix through the Xbox. No problems until the internet connection is lost, of course.

349 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:29:48am

Hmm, just saw something that Lou Reed has died.

rollingstone.com

350 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:32:33am

re: #349 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, just saw something that Lou Reed has died.

Just saw it too.

huffingtonpost.com

351 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:33:14am

re: #350 Dr Lizardo

Just saw it too.

huffingtonpost.com

Edit: The Wikipedia entry on him has been updated as well to list a date of death as October 27 2013.

352 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:33:15am

re: #349 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, just saw something that Lou Reed has died.

I think the transplant didn’t work well.

Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

Read more: rollingstone.com
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook


rollingstone.com

353 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:33:31am

re: #348 Justanotherhuman

Huh. I wonder what the bottle neck I experience is then. Maybe some content is not as readily available? My network is 10-12 mbps, AT&T Uverse.
I wonder if they have different servers for different players as in computer vs BRD player and HD at 40” size or more.

354 Stanley Sea  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:33:45am

re: #339 Varek Raith

The hell is wrong with people?!?!
Yeesh.

Zero empathy. None, zilch.

356 Mattand  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:35:34am

re: #346 Justanotherhuman

re: #347 Political Atheist

LOL, I should post the Google spreadsheet I put together. The problem I’m running into is that the cost of recreating our FiOS package (including chasing down shows through iTunes and Hulu) starts to eat away at any savings.

Another issue is the DVR: that’s a must have. TiVO seems to be the only game in town, and that’s another subscription.

In addition , both Verizon and Comcast (at least in South Jersey) jack up their internet-only prices so much that it’s almost not worth it to forgo TV ($70 internet-only vs $99 internet and TV).

It should also be noted that the other human half of this equation is not wild about roughing it digitally. I could deal with it, but…

357 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:35:59am

re: #349 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, just saw something that Lou Reed has died.

There was another death of note on Friday: Marcia Wallace, who voiced Bart Simpson’s teacher, Edna Krabappel, died on Friday night from complications of the breast cancer she’d been fighting for 28 years.

Thank you, Ms. Wallace, for your courage and perseverance, and for the good laughs and fun times.

358 Stanley Sea  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:36:01am

re: #353 Political Atheist

Huh. I wonder what the bottle neck I experience is then. Maybe some content is not as readily available? My network is 10-12 mbps, AT&T Uverse.
I wonder if they have different servers for different players as in computer vs BRD player and HD at 40” size or more.

How was the party? 10:35 am. Not bad.

359 Mattand  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:36:51am

Damn to the Lou Reed news. He just seems like one of those guys who for whatever reason was never going to die.

360 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:38:59am

re: #359 Mattand

Damn to the Lou Reed news. He just seems like one of those guys who for whatever reason was never going to die.

Indeed. RIP.

361 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:41:19am

The world has lost its Rock-n-Roll Animal. Rest in peace, Lou.

Youtube Video

One of the best song intros ever.

362 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:42:26am

re: #358 Stanley Sea

The party went just fine. Good people. To be kind to the neighbors we cool it after 10:00. One of the neighbors was shooting a TV pilot in his place as a quiet little indy spec project so we invited that crew when they wrapped. Funny thing they needed to borrow an engagement ring for a scene and I had a big beautiful cz & gold plated ring that I use to set up the light in my lightbox. Interesting to see how small a crew can be for mainstream TV.

363 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:43:32am

re: #361 darthstar

The world has lost its Rock-n-Roll Animal. Rest in peace, Lou.

[Embedded content]

One of the best song intros ever.

That’s a full album link. Enjoy.

364 GeneJockey  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:45:02am

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

Many Republicans >do know how to govern, but there are those like Ted Cruz and Ted Yoho who don’t want to actually govern, because actually passing a mjor piece of legislation would ruin their purity.

Yeah. Your party calls them RINOs and primaries them for not sticking to the script.

365 darthstar  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:45:34am
366 Lidane  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:47:21am

Youtube Video

367 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:47:53am

re: #353 Political Atheist

Huh. I wonder what the bottle neck I experience is then. Maybe some content is not as readily available? My network is 10-12 mbps, AT&T Uverse.
I wonder if they have different servers for different players as in computer vs BRD player and HD at 40” size or more.

I dunno all the tech stuff. We watch on a 39” TV and the Xbox is wireless. Using the Xbox frees up the computer when my g-grandson wants to watch something, so I can carry on. My grandson has his own set up of TV, computer and Xbox (w/2 monitors). It’s quite funny, since the 39” and 25” monitors are in very close proximity (the BR isn’t that big, either but the LR is open from the front to the back of the apt).

368 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:48:01am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

Went to Chick-Fil-A University:

The school recognizes the Student Association for an Inter-Religious Community which is a student organization that encourages dialogue between religions represented on campus.

Meaning, “We will preach at you and if you don’t come around to our way of thinking, to Hell with you!”

369 thedopefishlives  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:49:43am

Afternoon Lizardim.

370 Stanley Sea  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:49:57am

re: #362 Political Atheist

The party went just fine. Good people. To be kind to the neighbors we cool it after 10:00. One of the neighbors was shooting a TV pilot in his place as a quiet little indy spec project so we invited that crew when they wrapped. Funny thing they needed to borrow an engagement ring for a scene and I had a big beautiful cz & gold plated ring that I use to set up the light in my lightbox. Interesting to see how small a crew can be for mainstream TV.

Good luck to them. Glad you had a good time.

371 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:51:54am

re: #369 thedopefishlives

Afternoon Lizardim.

You’re a little late. We had a Outrigger Douchecanoe pass into sight a little while ago.

372 prairiefire  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:52:13am

Lou! I saw him in concert here in KC and he was blown away by the love we had for him. The audience would chant ‘Lou” while clapping after a song. Towards the end of the concert, he stood back and just soaked in all the love. He sort of shook his head like, “Who knew they loved me so much in Kansas City?”
Rest in Peace, rock n roll god.

373 Aqua Obama  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 10:56:48am

It’s like I just woke up and read rock and roll died.

374 Lidane  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:02:25am
375 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:04:14am

If the NFL is non-profit, I’m the tooth fairy.

376 thedopefishlives  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:04:57am

re: #375 Varek Raith

If the NFL is non-profit, I’m the tooth fairy.

YOU OWE ME MONEY, YOU PINK SPARKLY FLOATING BASTARD.

377 ipsos  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:05:14am

Tears for Lou Reed:

They say no one person can do it all
But you want to in your head
But you can’t be Shakespeare and you can’t be Joyce
So what is left instead

You’re stuck with yourself and a rage that can hurt you
You have to start at the beginning again
And just this moment this wonderful fire
Started up again

When you pass through humble, when you pass through sickly
When you pass through I’m better than you all
When you pass through anger and self deprecation
And have the strength to acknowledge it all

When the past makes you laugh and you can savor the magic
That let you survive your own war
You find that that fire is passion
And there’s a door up ahead not a wall

As you pass through fire as you pass through fire
Tryin’ to remember it’s name
When you pass through fire lickin’ at your lips
You cannot remain the same

And if the building’s burning move towards that door
But don’t put the flames out
There’s a bit of magic in everything
And then some loss to even things out

Some loss to even things out
Some loss to even things out
There’s a bit of magic in everything
And then some loss to even things out

378 Lidane  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:05:18am

re: #375 Varek Raith

If the NFL is non-profit, I’m the tooth fairy.

The league office is. It’s a 501(c)6 trade association.

The rest of the league? Not so much. All the ticket/TV/swag revenue is split to the teams and it’s taxed.

379 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:07:24am

re: #376 thedopefishlives

YOU OWE ME MONEY, YOU PINK SPARKLY FLOATING BASTARD.

…
>…>

380 GlutenFreeJesus  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:09:41am

re: #365 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Like I said several threads back, it was Bush doing all this BS without any oversight.

381 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:11:02am

I’ll be blunt.
We should be spying on other countries.
Other countries should be spying on us.
It makes the world go ‘round.

382 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:11:24am

re: #377 ipsos

Good choice, though I’d probably prefer to remember “New Age” or the long version of “Sweet Jane”. I should pop my copy of the Paris reunion concert on this afternoon. That was a glorious show to remember them all by.

383 thedopefishlives  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:14:09am

re: #381 Varek Raith

I’ll be blunt.
We should be spying on other countries.
Other countries should be spying on us.
It makes the world go ‘round.

Well, yeah. And anyone who thinks that it’s going to stop because of Edward Snowden and the Dudebro Association of America is delusional at best. Countries spy on each other, they always have, they always will.

384 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:15:18am

re: #383 thedopefishlives

Well, yeah. And anyone who thinks that it’s going to stop because of Edward Snowden and the Dudebro Association of America is delusional at best. Countries spy on each other, they always have, they always will.

I’m just amazed so many didn’t know this.
Or chose not to know it.
My head hurts.

385 Stanley Sea  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:17:42am

re: #384 Varek Raith

I’m just amazed so many didn’t know this.
Or chose not to know it.
My head hurts.

They need something. It’s always going to be something.

386 thedopefishlives  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:18:06am

re: #384 Varek Raith

I’m just amazed so many didn’t know this.
Or chose not to know it.
My head hurts.

There’s legitimate room for discussion on the way things have been handled concerning domestic communications, but all of that has been drowned out by “ZOMG PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS BEEN SPYING ON TEH FRENCH!”

387 Lidane  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:19:03am

re: #384 Varek Raith

I’m just amazed so many didn’t know this.
Or chose not to know it.
My head hurts.

Overly white, over-privileged glibertarians think they should be free from government interference. It’s their birthright as dudebros.

388 Lidane  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:44:49am
389 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 11:55:25am

Moved.

390 chadu  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 12:09:08pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

Really, only conclusion I can reach about a “secular pro-life” person is they’re likely a very emotional and gullible individual who’s been sold on the idea that every sperm is sacred.

Eh. I’m pretty secular, pro-choice, and strongly feel that you should choose life, but my feels shouldn’t dictate law.

Note the word “choice.”

And, not having a uterus, that’s about all I can credibly say.

391 chadu  Sun, Oct 27, 2013 12:32:54pm

re: #94 klys

Grad school introduced me to the wonders of gin. I typically do it with tonic, and I never would have thought I would be one of those people who could do flavor notes, but I can for gin. I have a whole list of favorites. Damrak is looking to get itself added, it seems.

Gin, tonic, and a jigger of Rose’s Lime is my mixed drink of choice.

Gin, tonic, and a spoonful of Countrytime Lemonade Mix is what I drank as an undergrad.

Vodka and I… don’t get along, unless it’s in a White Russian.


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