Greenwald: The NSA Has Nothing to Do With Terrorism

The US is uniquely evil - terrorism is just a pretext
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Glenn Greenwald thinks the United States is uniquely evil among the nations of the world, and he’s going to teach us a lesson. Terrorism? Hah! The Mighty Greenwald laughs at the thought: NSA Spying Has Nothing to Do With Terrorism, Greenwald Tells Amanpour.

Spying by America’s National Security Agency does not have “anything to do with terrorism,” Glenn Greenwald, the activist journalist who broke the story, told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour on Monday.

“Is Angela Merkel a terrorist? Are sixty or seventy million Spanish or French citizens terrorists? Are there terrorists at Petrobras?” he asked rhetorically. “This is clearly about political power and economic espionage, and the claim that this is all about terrorism is seen around the world as what it is, which is pure deceit.”

The latest revelations of American spying involve the alleged taping of German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s personal mobile phone and that the U.S. gathered data about 60 million Spanish phone calls in a single month, which comes after similar reports from France.

Greenwald, formerly of The Guardian, has been systematically publishing reports of secret American intelligence gathering since he was given a treasure trove of leaks by former intelligence officer Edward Snowden.

“It is not true that every country intercepts the personal communications of their democratically elected allies,” Greenwald told Amanpour, referring to the oft-repeated criticism put forward by true believers that “everyone does it.”

“And it’s definitely not the case that every country mass, bulk collects the communications of millions of innocent people in virtually every country in the world.”

“It’s something that the world didn’t know, and now they do know, and that’s the reason why U.S. officials are so angry,” he said. “Not because it damaged national security but because it damages their reputation and credibility around the world.”

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292 comments
1 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:26:51pm

Does Glenn really believe the NSA has the resources to listen in to the phone calls and read all the emails of random citizens all over the world? Srsly?

A job like that would be hella boring.

2 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:27:47pm
“And it’s definitely not the case that every country mass, bulk collects the communications of millions of innocent people in virtually every country in the world.”

Because meta-data means every conversation everywhere is being collected.

3 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:32:12pm

A traitor in his heart.

4 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:32:25pm

The fact that we “spy” being some kind of controversy shows how severely fucked up our press is.

5 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:32:48pm

In Greenwald’s world any possible action by the government, no matter how impractical or improbable, means it has been done for the most nefarious reasons possible.

6 ausador  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:33:47pm

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

Does Glenn really believe the NSA has the resources to listen in to the phone calls and read all the emails of random citizens all over the world? Srsly?

A job like that would be hella boring.

What do you mean, I’m sure listening into my conversations about doing odd jobs for other condo residents and talking about how goofy my cat is to my aunt is much more interesting than listening to people talking about boring old explosives and terrorist targets.

You’ve heard one guy talking about how to properly wire a detonator and you have heard them all. My cat however is simply full of constant surprises…

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7 b.d.  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:34:10pm

Parsing little loser

“It is not true that every country intercepts the personal communications of their democratically elected allies,” Greenwald told Amanpour,

This guy’s 15 minutes is about up and The Daily Dudebro is still many, many, many months away from happening, if ever.

8 Ming  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:34:56pm

The CNN article describes Snowden as a “former intelligence officer”. OK…

9 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:35:29pm

“Economic espionage”? That’s certainly a new accusation from him. Certainly a far cry from earlier assertions that the government was in the business of invading everybody’s privacy.

10 b.d.  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:36:06pm

Good evening Ladies and Germs,

Today I had to listen to 15,000 Spanish citizen’s phone calls and boy are my ears tired!

11 D Johnston  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:37:56pm

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

Does Glenn really believe the NSA has the resources to listen in to the phone calls and read all the emails of random citizens all over the world? Srsly?

Don’t know about GG in particular, but there are plenty of people who do seem to believe this. And they’re impossible to correct, because as soon as you try to talk about telecommunications infrastructure or data processing they cry “Excuses!” and completely shut down.

That’s politics - you don’t have to know anything to make an argument, you just have to be passionate about your ignorance.

12 jaunte  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:38:23pm
Are there terrorists at Petrobras?

How would Glenn Greenwald know?

13 b.d.  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:40:12pm

Hi Ms. Amanpour, is Glenn Greenwald a journalist like you?

14 calochortus  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:40:14pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

“Economic espionage”? That’s certainly a new accusation from him. Certainly a far cry from earlier assertions that the government was in the business of invading everybody’s privacy.

I read that as “Ergonomic espionage” at first. I confess. My feet are up on the edge of the coffee table, but I am not slouching, thankyouverymuch.
/

15 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:40:44pm

re: #10 b.d.

Good evening Ladies and Germs,

Today I had to listen to 15,000 Spanish citizen’s phone calls and boy are my ears tired!

?Habla usted Espanol?

16 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:41:20pm

shocked

17 b.d.  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:41:46pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

?Habla usted Espanol?

No, that’s what made it so hard.

18 jaunte  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:42:43pm

re: #16 Stanley Sea

He was staggered so hard he lost his memory.

19 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:43:21pm

re: #16 Stanley Sea

shocked

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This just in: cats are feline. Details at 11.

20 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:45:00pm

re: #18 jaunte

He was staggered so hard he lost his memory.

Just like he completely forgot his promise to be waterboarded for charity.

21 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:45:11pm

re: #13 b.d.

Hi Ms. Amanpour, is Glenn Greenwald a journalist like you?

It is kind of interesting to see the two different styles of journalism on display. Greenwald has his agenda and Amanpour reports is claims without question, criticism or added context.

22 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:53:26pm

Dude really, really hates this country. The only other explanation is he’s being paid very well to discredit the US government.

Eh. Maybe both.

23 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:58:03pm

re: #22 makeitstop

Dude really, really hates this country. The only other explanation is he’s being paid very well to discredit the US government.

Eh. Maybe both.

That’s really the only conclusion I can reach, is that somebody behind the scenes is paying him big money to do this shit. My money’s on the Chicoms.

24 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 7:59:29pm

re: #16 Stanley Sea

shocked

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I’m just voting for money whore….

25 jaunte  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 8:00:07pm
26 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 8:06:22pm

re: #16 Stanley Sea

shocked

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Of course. Expect ideological honestly from Hannity is a bridge too far.

27 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 8:22:23pm

Suddenly I’m having visions of the old MAD Magazine Spy vs. Spy comics.

28 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 8:22:34pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

It is kind of interesting to see the two different styles of journalism on display. Greenwald has his agenda and Amanpour reports is claims without question, criticism or added context.

Glenn Greenwald is an Asshat Howler Monkey, not a journalist.

29 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 8:26:17pm

Fun reading this after playing Civ V.

You have spies in the game. The other players have spies. You try to insert your spies into their empires. They try to insert their spies in yours. You try to catch or stop their spies and they do the same to yours.

It’s just the way the game is played and if you’re ‘too moral’ to use spies, you lose.

Pretty much the same in real life.

30 D Johnston  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 8:29:20pm

re: #29 Romantic Heretic

You have spies in the game. The other players have spies. You try to insert your spies into their empires. They try to insert their spies in yours. You try to catch or stop their spies and they do the same to yours.

Not to turn this into Strategy Game Chat, but you could always put all of your spies in your own cities. If you have a big lead in technology and you aren’t planning a war, it’s the most rational strategy.

31 jaunte  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 8:31:11pm

Postcards from Hell.

33 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 8:32:39pm
34 Stanley Sea  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 8:36:23pm
35 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 8:38:18pm

re: #32 Kragar

New Mexico Lawmaker Worries Teaching Yoga in School Is State-Sponsored Religion

getting it with fruit on the bottom shows attachment to worldly things

36 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:04:32pm

Last story on WTFIWWY is a doozy:

Police: Oklahoma City man burns Bible, destroys apartment because of high ‘homosexual demon’

A bizarre and violent series of events at an Oklahoma City apartment involving Bible burning, blood, a “homosexual demon” and destruction, has landed a man behind bars.

and

When officers got to the apartment, they said they found Anderson, whose face and hands were covered in blood, screaming random things on the front porch.

An officer said Anderson was “clearly out of touch with reality.”

The police report states Anderson started to throw glass objects and furniture from the apartment through the door and broken windows.

As the ordeal continued, officers tried to reason with Anderson.

When that didn’t work they tried to taze him to bring him under control but Anderson ripped the probes from his skin and yelled the tazer wouldn’t affect him.

Officers said, at one point, Anderson told them to put down their weapons and he would “fist fight them.”

O_O

37 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:08:40pm

re: #36 ProTARDISLiberal

Last story on WTFIWWY is a doozy:

Police: Oklahoma City man burns Bible, destroys apartment because of high ‘homosexual demon’

and

O_O

COME AT ME BRO!

38 Lidane  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:10:52pm

re: #36 ProTARDISLiberal

Last story on WTFIWWY is a doozy:

Police: Oklahoma City man burns Bible, destroys apartment because of high ‘homosexual demon’

and

O_O

Whatever that guy was on, I don’t want any. WTF.

39 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:11:17pm

re: #38 Lidane

I think he was on all of it. All of the drugs.

40 jaunte  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:12:00pm

re: #36 ProTARDISLiberal

He’s still alive; those police officers are real pros.

41 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:13:17pm

re: #40 jaunte

Though, their attempt to reason with the lunatic was doomed to failure.

42 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:15:04pm

Thankfully nobody was killed and sounds like he knows he needs mental health services.

43 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:37:37pm

Concern troll is very concerned so maybe you should be too

Rand Paul fanboy and holder of the Megan McArdle Memorial ‘Seemingly Reasonable If You Aren’t Hung Up On Facts’ Chair at The Atlantic, Conor Friedersdorf is having trouble sleeping at night because he is way stressed out about Dronebama’s legacy and whether it will drone kill the shit out of Hillary Clinton’s chances to be the first woman second Clinton to be elected President.

44 Lidane  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:38:20pm

re: #4 Amory Blaine

The fact that we “spy” being some kind of controversy shows how severely fucked up our press is.

Fucked up, lazy and stupid. You’d almost think that the United States is the only country that does these things by the way they’re running around screaming about it.

Anyone over the age of 40 who is shocked — shocked, I tell you! — that the US spies on other countries was either in a coma or under a rock during the Cold War. Or they’re a completely dishonest political hack who cheered for the very same spying when a Republican was in office.

45 Ed E. Lishus  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:43:28pm

re: #44 Lidane

…Or they’re a completely dishonest political hack who cheered for the very same spying when a Republican was in office.


We have a winner!

46 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:49:28pm

So EA releases the very last expansion for The Sims 3 to much fanfare, makes fans wait months for its release…and it’s got game-breaking bugs that can make it virtually unplayable.

And they wonder why they’ve won “Worst Company in America” two years running.

47 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:55:44pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

So EA releases the very last expansion for The Sims 3 to much fanfare, makes fans wait months for its release…and it’s got game-breaking bugs that can make it virtually unplayable.

And they wonder why they’ve won “Worst Company in America” two years running.

Hahahahaha.

I’ll wait a few months before I’ll have time to play it (and they can’t soak me for $40 each) before I buy.

48 teresa  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:55:45pm

And this is how he leads his cult, puts out obvious red meat for the Libertarian Masses.. Okay the Libertarian Few, who dream big dreams of Atlas Shrugging. Long live John Galt.. err Glenn Greenwald… er or whatever. He has the corner on truth, he holds the key to what is truthful, what is righteous, and if he has to hang out with known racists and other assorted white Supremacist loons and other felons to accomplish his goals, so be it. He.will.never.see.the.irony.

49 Lidane  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:55:59pm

BTW, I’m going to throw out a music recommendation, since I just downloaded this album tonight:

Tori Amos — Night of Hunters (Sin Palabras)

This is an instrumental version of an album Tori did a couple of years ago. I’ve always liked Tori’s music, but the lyrics on the original studio version of this album were awkward, pretentious, and twee no matter what overly complicated, high-minded “concept” she tried to sell. Plus, without the vocals I don’t have to hear Tori’s daughter and niece try to sing (they’re featured on several songs), which is a bonus.

The instrumental version of the album, however, is gorgeous. The pieces are clearly inspired by various classical compositions, but Tori put her own spin on them. Without words, it all works. The whole record is on Spotify if you want to check it out.

50 Lidane  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:57:48pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

So EA releases the very last expansion for The Sims 3 to much fanfare, makes fans wait months for its release…and it’s got game-breaking bugs that can make it virtually unplayable.

And they wonder why they’ve won “Worst Company in America” two years running.

I spent an embarrassing amount of time playing The Sims 2, but never could get into The Sims 3. I’ll give it a look after the gamebreaking bugs are fixed.

51 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:58:05pm

re: #47 klys

Hahahahaha.

I’ll wait a few months before I’ll have time to play it (and they can’t soak me for $40 each) before I buy.

Wouldn’t annoy me so much if I hadn’t bought it for my sister’s birthday present, only to realize less than an hour into play that it’s bugged up the wazoo. And I trip through the forums yields no answers, but the general feeling that the programmers have already started to clock out on the game because they’re likely being shifted over to working on The Sims 4, which EA decided to announce the other day got moved back to sometime next fall.

52 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:04:22pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

Wouldn’t annoy me so much if I hadn’t bought it for my sister’s birthday present, only to realize less than an hour into play that it’s bugged up the wazoo. And I trip through the forums yields no answers, but the general feeling that the programmers have already started to clock out on the game because they’re likely being shifted over to working on The Sims 4, which EA decided to announce the other day got moved back to sometime next fall.

Ugh.

Hopefully like any EA game, give it a week or three and it will become playable, but it still sucks.

(Yes, I stuck it out for the SimCity launch and was equally disappointed.)

53 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:05:15pm

re: #50 Lidane

I spent an embarrassing amount of time playing The Sims 2, but never could get into The Sims 3. I’ll give it a look after the gamebreaking bugs are fixed.

Honestly there are some fantastically done things about The Sims 3.

Really, you want the base game + World Adventures + Ambitions as a minimum. Fortunately I think you can get them bundled at this point.

54 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:05:58pm

re: #52 klys

Ugh.

Hopefully like any EA game, give it a week or three and it will become playable, but it still sucks.

(Yes, I stuck it out for the SimCity launch and was equally disappointed.)

Yeah, I imagine in another week or so they’ll have released a patch. In the meantime, I guess I’ll go back to Skyrim and putting up with Bethesda’s buggy games instead.

55 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:07:21pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

Yeah, I imagine in another week or so they’ll have released a patch. In the meantime, I guess I’ll go back to Skyrim and putting up with Bethesda’s buggy games instead.

A friend sucked me into Path of Exile for a few hours this weekend, which mostly resulted in me wishing I’d had time to play D3 today.

56 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:09:10pm

Lol EA.

57 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:16:54pm

I’d avoid EA like the plague, except they’ve engaged in that most unholy of business practices, namely buying up all the companies with really good ideas and then milking the cash cows to the point that the teats either have or are in dire danger of falling off.

58 Lidane  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:18:12pm

All this talk of The Sims and EA has me thinking about the Zero Punctuation review of the most recent Sim City:

Youtube Video

Completely NSFW, but I laughed anyway. Heh.

59 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:18:19pm

The time between now and when I arrive at the hot spring on Thursday night can be summed up with three letters: FML.

60 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:23:36pm

re: #55 klys

A friend sucked me into Path of Exile for a few hours this weekend, which mostly resulted in me wishing I’d had time to play D3 today.

D3 has also been an absolute disaster though. So much goddamned greed on Blizzard’s part. They were obviously manipulating the item drops and hoping to make a ton of money on the Real Money Auction House. Now both auction houses are dead and the core problems are still there. The requirement to be constantly online for solo play was ridiculous, and led to really infuriating bullshit like retroactively announced server shutdowns that made the game randomly unplayable during certain weekends after launch. Oh yeah, we announced that shutdown five minutes after shutting everything down, so it’s officially “scheduled.” No PvP on launch and what was released was a joke. Typical neutering of the game as designed to sell a DLC later.

I’m not much of a gamer, so when I buy something that trades on a well known and respected franchise like Diablo it’s a real piss off to get burned that badly.

61 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:30:34pm

re: #58 Lidane

All this talk of The Sims and EA has me thinking about the Zero Punctuation review of the most recent Sim City:

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Completely NSFW, but I laughed anyway. Heh.

Yeah, EA deserves a special place in Hell for that. 7 months later and they’ve still not implemented any kind of mode allowing gamers to play offline and thus away from the still finicky servers, which also makes it virtually impossible to get a mod community going for the game because EA refuses to allow mods so long as the game is always-on. And they promised earlier this month that larger maps were coming, but then came back later and put the kibosh on the proposal. The excuse amounts to “If we implement bigger maps, the resources needed to run the game will leave a large percentage of our players SOL.”

62 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:32:35pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

As a mindless “I hit buttons and shit dies and I get shinies” game, it makes me happy.

Obviously YMMV, but I went in with my expectations calibrated to roughly that level and have enjoyed playing it when I feel like it.

63 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:32:57pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

OFFS

Civ is the better series anyways.

Screw you Gandhi!
/

64 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:40:25pm

And to add a little more salt to my wounds and another dollop of shit on top of the memories of my childhood, EA’s announced that the next Command & Conquer is going to be a F2P multiplayer extravaganza with an emphasis on “downloadable content” (read: micropayments out the ears).

65 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:41:47pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

And to add a little more salt to my wounds and another dollop of shit on top of the memories of my childhood, EA’s announced that the next Command & Conquer is going to be a F2P multiplayer extravaganza with an emphasis on “downloadable content” (read: micropayments out the ears).

Really, one can look at any game series not produced by EA and realize that no matter how bad it is, it could still be worse.

66 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:45:10pm

re: #65 klys

Really, one can look at any game series not produced by EA and realize that no matter how bad it is, it could still be worse.

EA’s big about two things now: “multiplayer experience” and “downloadable content.” What’s that, you wanted to play an awesome game by yourself and work for your achievements? You fucking loser, you should be playing online like all the other kids! And why work all the way to the end for that awesome gun when you can start the game with it for only $15?

67 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:50:45pm

In the mean time, I’ve been working to add some Dark Mechanicus forces to my Night Lords. Added a Warp-Smith as my warlord and brought in some Hel-Drakes as my fast attack.

68 blueraven  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:55:32pm

re: #43 Kragar

Concern troll is very concerned so maybe you should be too

Following the links, this tripe from Jerome Armstrong

The oomph of the Democratic party in the blogosphere today can be summed up with a cursory glance at posts and comments on Balloon Juice, Little Green Footballs and Booman Tribune. They bend over backwards to justify the party bailing out banks, the nation going deeper into debt with global military expansion, and spying on citizens, yet they’ll nitpick that a libertarian is willing to allow abortion to be a state issue. They are more concerned with attacking truth-tellers like Julian Assange, Glenn Greenwald, and Edward Snowden than they are keeping anyone accountable or demanding transparency. That’s what they are really good at- justifying why the powerful should stay so and attacking the ones who challenge power. And, if needed, providing a handy social lifestyle issue to keep the division. There’s no energy left. Nothing that inspires people that are pissed off and want change. Just finger-pointing at the other team. It’s become pointless and principle-less tribalism.

69 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:57:13pm
70 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:58:41pm

re: #68 blueraven

What alternate dimension is he getting his internet from?

71 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 10:59:31pm

re: #70 Kragar

What alternate dimension is he getting his internet from?

I totally missed the part where we were pro-spying on citizens and military expansion.

And had no principles.

72 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:02:58pm

re: #71 klys

I totally missed the part where we were pro-spying on citizens and military expansion.

And had no principles.

Saves times if you read such diatribes as “They support Obama!!!” In fact, you can just use that for any long rant by a dudebro or a wingnut and be pretty much on the money.

73 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:03:28pm

re: #69 Varek Raith

Shiny.
Image: Heldrake.jpg

I had a lot of fun with this kit.

Did mine in blue and gold, Night Lords color scheme

Image: m2610370a_99810102015_CSMWarpsmithCFC02_873x627.jpg

74 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:05:34pm

I have just washed and blocked my first two wool scarves ever.

Fingers crossed they come out ok.

75 freetoken  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:07:11pm

re: #68 blueraven

The extremes of narcism of these glibertarians is laid bare every time they pin down communities that are diverse like here at LGF as being into “global military expansion”, because they are refusing to acknowledge the differences that exist at LGF, BalloonJuice, etc. This is narcism because the only way to lump all their opponents into one basket is based indeed on just that - Armstong’s basis of evaluating other outlets like LGF and so forth is simply that they aren’t like him and his buddies.

76 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:08:12pm

Speaking of Skyrim, I finally got around to playing what amounts to the mid portion of Dawnguard. And the only conclusion I can reach is that Bethesda decided that a lighthearted game about fighting dragons in the middle of a bloody civil war really needed two DLCs that were “darker and edgier.”

77 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:10:00pm

Warpsmith with Terminators and a Land Raider
4 squads of chaos marines (2 x base of fire, 2 x assault elements)
2 Heldrakes
2 Defilers

Good times.

78 gwangung  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:10:13pm

re: #75 freetoken

The extremes of narcism of these glibertarians is laid bare every time they pin down communities that are diverse like here at LGF as being into “global military expansion”, because they are refusing to acknowledge the differences that exist at LGF, BalloonJuice, etc. This is narcism because the only way to lump all their opponents into one basket is based indeed on just that - Armstong’s basis of evaluating other outlets like LGF and so forth is simply that they aren’t like him and his buddies.

The similarities to the authoritarian right is pretty striking to me.

79 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:11:19pm

re: #78 gwangung

The similarities to the authoritarian right is pretty striking to me.

The only difference is who pictures themselves in power.

80 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:21:29pm

re: #78 gwangung

I’ve noticed that trying to pin a Libertarian down on any position aside from “Less Governement” or “Lower Taxes” is virtally impossible. They are slippery.

I can at least respect a Social Conservative for being able to hold their positions and be willing to defend them. Never seen that with a Libertarian.

81 Lidane  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:22:13pm

OFFS. A wingnut I know just posted this on his FB:

Youtube Video

Three guesses who Jesus supposedly called the Antichrist, and your first two guesses are wrong.

82 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:23:59pm

I want to work for the NSA. They must have the biggest stash of porn ever.

83 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:24:32pm

re: #80 ProTARDISLiberal

I’ve noticed that trying to pin a Libertarian down on any position aside from “Less Governement” or “Lower Taxes” is virtally impossible. They are slippery.

I can at least respect a Social Conservative for being able to hold their positions and be willing to defend them. Never seen that with a Libertarian.

“Less Government,” my ass. Nine times outta ten, a libertarian is all for big government, but only if it’s pushing their moral views or is restricted to the state level or below. Crazy Uncle Liberty and Aqua Buddha both have argued aloud that they’re okay with stripping people of their rights, so long as it’s the state that’s doing the heavy lifting.

84 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:27:00pm

re: #82 Velvet Elvis

I want to work for the NSA. They must have the biggest stash of porn ever.

And every Nigerian Prince scam eveh!

85 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:28:19pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

One so-con I met turned Libertarian. They also turned into a not-nice person.

Hell, I remember during High School that me and a friend were opposite politically. However, there was a Ron Paul supporting loon in class, that, whenever we would talk politics, would immediately try to take it to Ron Paul land.

Both of us would then tell the 3rd nut to shut up. Good Times.

86 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:28:22pm

re: #81 Lidane

Seen “The Patriot Survival Plan” crap yet?

87 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:28:30pm

re: #84 Varek Raith

And every Nigerian Prince scam eveh!

“Greeting, Mr. Smith. I am the President of a major bank in Nigeria. You have been willed a very princely sum of money, which we are prepared to wire to the account of your choice. All we need is your metadata.”

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88 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:32:47pm

re: #86 Kragar

Seen “The Patriot Survival Plan” crap yet?

The what now? Is that some spin-off of the Metal Gear Solid franchise?

89 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:37:47pm

Self-Helping the Armageddon

Here’s a fascinating conglomeration of hucksterism, right-wing paranoia, secular eschatology all from one pasty dude selling something called the “Patriot Survival Plan.” It’s like the ur-document that brings together so much of today’s neo-gold-buggism, Prepperism, paranoia about Obama’s impending martial law, gun hoarding, the coming descent into urban warfare, food shortages and crazed mobs of dark people. How you can survive and thrive after total societal collapse. It’s all in a video, which is epically crazy and yet hard to stop watching. Just watch and let me know what you think. Seriously, you’ve got to see this.

Here are some top things you’ll learn by buying this package during this special offer period. With a money back guarantee.

How to turn $200 bucks into a large supply of 37 essential food items that will keep you and your family nourished throughout the crisis…

How to keep your heat, air conditioner, refrigerators, lights all running smoothly when the grid goes down… (don’t forget generators run on oil… so if you don’t know this secret you’ll be left hungry and in the cold)

How to make sure Urban Warfare never touches your family.

How to keep the military out of your home even if they have an evacuation order (this will save your children decades of nightmares)…

A weird trick I learned from journalists that allows you to walk calmly through dangerous riots - completely unarmed… This will come in handy should you need to get out and get valuable supplies.

90 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:39:57pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

The what now? Is that some spin-off of the Metal Gear Solid franchise?

Snake vs TeaParty.
I’d buy that for a dollar.

91 Lidane  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:40:31pm

I hope the GOP listens to her. Heh.

Ann Coulter: ‘Someone Slightly Better Than Todd Akin’ Can Beat Hillary Clinton In 2016 (VIDEO)

The video auto-plays. Ugh. Anyway, I laughed. Please proceed, GOP.

92 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:43:34pm

re: #91 Lidane

I hope the GOP listens to her. Heh.

Ann Coulter: ‘Someone Slightly Better Than Todd Akin’ Can Beat Hillary Clinton In 2016 (VIDEO)

The video auto-plays. Ugh. Anyway, I laughed. Please proceed, GOP.

“Slightly better”? Could you vague that up a bit more, Ann?

Is this hypothetical candidate supposed to be able to make “legitimate rape” sound like anything other than insanely insensitive and thus avoid becoming electorally radioactive?

93 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:44:56pm

re: #91 Lidane

Define “better”

Youtube Video

94 Lidane  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:45:01pm

re: #84 Varek Raith

And every Nigerian Prince scam eveh!

What if all the Nigerian prince scams are an NSA cover for using taxpayer dollars to buy porn?

95 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:48:07pm

re: #94 Lidane

What if all the Nigerian prince scams are an NSA cover for using taxpayer dollars to buy porn?

I KNEW IT!!11ty

96 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:48:35pm

Libertarians ‘want to be left alone’, but they want to be left alone in the America built by the New Deal, and by Liberalism, and by ‘collectivism’.

They don’t want homeless folks living on their streets, or old folks picking through garbage cans. They want banks to be a safe place for their money, and stock markets to be at least somewhat damped in their swings. They want medical advances that only come from the cooperation of government-funded basic research and for-profit applied research. They want roads without potholes and bridges that don’t fall into the river below. They want clean air and water, they don’t want to breathe air you can’t see through and they don’t want to drink water with things swimming in it.

They imagine they can get all this and not have to pay for it, or accept that this only comes when we accept that we are not just individuals, but also a society and that how far we can go as individuals depends on that society.

97 piratedan  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 12:15:23am

so far, from what I can see, Glenn Greenwald thinks that the word “irony” is an adjective to describe newly ironed shirts…. think that sums up the standards of his journalistic ethos. Has about as much validity as him staying at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

98 freetoken  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:03:08am

re: #96 GeneJockey

“Libertarian” is an anagram for “I Alter Brain”, which sums them up nicely.

It’s also an anagram for “Anti Bra Rile ” which may hint at some correlation between lack of breast feeding and lack of social conscience.

99 Lidane  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:13:22am

My surprise, etc. —

100 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:58:30am

re: #16 Stanley Sea

But sadly he is representative of the entire propatainment complex, because that picture accurately represents its attitudes then and now.

101 freetoken  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:09:30am

re: #99 Lidane

There’s a reason we call the National Racists Online.

102 freetoken  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:22:08am

This one goes out to all of you back in the wintery plains:

MP3 Audio

103 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:22:53am

re: #5 Kragar

In Greenwald’s world any possible action by the government, no matter how impractical or improbable, means it has been done for the most nefarious reasons possible.

Which is a view he shares with Ayn Rand, Rand Paul and every Sovereign Citizen out there in his bunker.

104 freetoken  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:02:01am
105 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:21:48am

re: #62 klys

As a mindless “I hit buttons and shit dies and I get shinies” game, it makes me happy.

Obviously YMMV, but I went in with my expectations calibrated to roughly that level and have enjoyed playing it when I feel like it.

It was the same with me and D3. I didn’t expect the game to make a wirehead out of me and so wasn’t disappointed.

Although D3 didn’t catch me the way D2 did. I played the latter for years. Since I got into Bioshock I’ve pretty much stopped playing D3.

106 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:22:01am

Do most people even upgrade the computer they have, or just go buy another one? Would most upgrade a phone this way?

Motorola reveals ambitious plan to build modular smartphones

theverge.com

“Motorola has unveiled Project Ara, an open-source initiative for modular smartphones with the goal to “do for hardware what the Android platform has done for software.” The company plans to create an ecosystem that can support third-party hardware development for individual phone components — in other words, you could upgrade your phone’s processor, display, and more by shopping at different vendors.”

I suppose you could take the phone to the store and let a Walmart employee change parts out for you. Or have your grandchild do it.

107 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:29:52am

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

Cost would be a factor for most people I think. If you could upgrade for a halfway decent price and get good service, there might be a market that would appeal to those of us who don’t have to have the newest and shiniest new thing every time there’s a new release.

108 freetoken  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:36:59am

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

I’m still using a computer I bought in 2007. Why “upgrade”?

109 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:37:58am

re: #108 freetoken

I’m still using a computer I bought in 2007. Why “upgrade”?

depends on what you are using it for.

110 freetoken  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:45:04am

re: #109 Sol Berdinowitz

depends on what you are using it for.

Disfrute de la música:

MP3 Audio

111 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:46:25am

P. S. This “interview” GG did with Amanpour is such a pile. How did she reach this conclusion, for instance?

“Greenwald, formerly of The Guardian, has been systematically publishing reports of secret American intelligence gathering since he was given a treasure trove of leaks by former intelligence officer Edward Snowden.”

That is hype pushed by GG, nothing more, and she fell for it. He even gave Snowjob a promotion.

BTW, it was widely reported on 10/15 that GG was leaving The Guardian to form a “newspaper” financed by a billionaire dudebro. On 10/25, The Guardian is still publishing his bullshit with this: theguardian.com

This entire bullshit meme of “journalist” as applied to GG is just that—bullshit. He’s not a reporter, in the classic sense of the word, nor a columnist with an opinion, he’s an activist and a wannabee “journalist rock star” who has inserted himself thoroughly into this story.

Why would a legitimate reporter for a major outlet give this narcissistic loser and aider and abetter of a serious criminal enterprise—the theft of government documents—the time of day? If GG is anything at all, he’s a PR master of his own BS.

No wonder the public doesn’t trust the media very much. It’s one thing for a reporter to be lied to, it’s quite another for a reporter to lie or deliberately misrepresent the facts.

112 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:53:01am

re: #111 Justanotherhuman

No wonder the public doesn’t trust the media very much. It’s one thing for a reporter to be lied to, it’s quite another for a reporter to lie or deliberately misrepresent the facts.

The public distrusts the media but continues to view and read their offerings. What gives? One thinks that market forces would favor media outlets with a solid reputation for thorougness, accuracy and balance.

Or do we just want infotainment with a smattering of righteous outrage at things we do not approve of?

113 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:55:39am

re: #108 freetoken

I’m still using a computer I bought in 2007. Why “upgrade”?

I’m using an old tower that we’ve replaced the power supply in. I don’t use it for anything but getting online and it works fine. My grandson built his own for gaming—Xbox wasn’t enough.

Still, some people will always go for the bright new shiny things.

I’m not saying having upgrade components is not a good thing—it is. Just that most people either don’t know enough about computers to replace anything (even keyboards!) or just want the newest thing. A lot of people see computers as just another appliance and don’t really understand how they work.

Some of us are far more frugal and self-reliant, so yeah, it will appeal to some.

114 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:05:20am

I need a pc for my work, to run translation memory programs, etc., so I have to occasionally upgrade, otherwise my old home entertainment center PC from 2006 would be sufficient

115 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:10:16am

re: #112 Sol Berdinowitz

Or do we just want infotainment with a smattering of righteous outrage at things we do not approve of?

Over time, it’s developed into infotainment and we’ve swallowed it.

Well, not all of us, of course. But most people I’ve found are of 2 types: Those who refuse to be critical thinkers due to their own bias, even though they’ve learned to be, or those incapable of being critical thinkers because they never learned it.

The truth is always elusive for many, even when it’s staring you in the face. We tend to believe what we want to believe and what we learn, and the truth be damned. We wouldn’t be in such a political upheaval in this country if that weren’t true. Distrust is rampant, and the media does nothing to alleviate it. The voices of sanity are few and far between because ratings…

116 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:21:47am

re: #22 makeitstop

Dude really, really hates this country. The only other explanation is he’s being paid very well to discredit the US government.

Eh. Maybe both.

He’s not being paid as well as he would like to be paid. Mostly he’s doing it now for teh lulz and he hopes to eventually snag a sponsor.

117 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:23:04am

What MSNBC is peddling this am on Morning Jerk:

WH knew millions would lose their current insurance.

Obama lied!

What they’re not pointing out is that those “millions” have plans that don’t cover them optimally (for instance pre-existing conditions or a different age limit for kids) or contain clauses that are not allowed under ACA. This is a re-write for the insurance industry, also, which many don’t understand.

It’s a very complicated piece of legislation and I think the WH has only made the mistake of thinking that people would be grown up enough not to have it spoon-fed to them.

Isn’t it up to the States and to Congress to explain this legislation as much as it is the WH? If there is blame in getting people to understand, it should be spread around.

118 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:33:10am

About 3 weeks ago I corrected a wingnut’s use of a Fake Quote and now he keeps retweeting it to other wingnuts. Sometimes you actually do get through to somebody.

119 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:35:31am

S. African white supremacist plot leader sentenced to 35 years

trust.org

Sounds familiar…

120 Lidane  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:36:35am
121 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:39:06am

re: #120 Lidane

Love when WSJ columnists portray Obama as incoherent rube. Ha. What’s that say abt GOP which lost 2 electoral landslides to him?

GOP did not lose those elections, Obama bought off a parasitic electorate with promises of free government stuff.

/

122 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:44:29am

One of my Chinese students has turned into a Doctor Who fan. She’s tipped me off to a website in China that has most of the episodes available. I am in hog heaven.

123 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:47:11am

re: #122 wheat-dogghazi

One of my Chinese students has turned into a Doctor Who fan. She’s tipped me off to a website in China that has most of the episodes available. I am in hog heaven.

The wife has been trying to get me to use our netflix streaming account. The fact that they have Dr. Who available might just do the trick for me.

124 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:49:04am

re: #123 William Barnett-Lewis

The wife has been trying to get me to use our netflix streaming account. The fact that they have Dr. Who available might just do the trick for me.

I’m a late bloomer, Doctor Who wise. I saw a few eps when I was younger, but couldn’t get into it. But I really liked the David Tennant Doctor and (I know others disagree) Rose as his companion.

125 sagehen  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:51:32am
126 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:55:55am
127 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:58:58am

If you didn’t read the entire piece over at CNN (not written by Amanpour, BTW, but by someone named Mick Krever about the interview), you may have missed this, which may be a clue to the genesis of GG’s poutrage and for what he’s doing.

“The new outfit’s goal, he said, would aim to find “truly independent journalists, who don’t want to be invited to Washington cocktail parties.”

128 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:04:09am

re: #127 Justanotherhuman

If you didn’t read the entire piece over at CNN (not written by Amanpour, BTW, but by someone named Mick Krever about the interview), you may have missed this, which may be a clue to the genesis of GG’s poutrage and for what he’s doing.

“The new outfit’s goal, he said, would aim to find “truly independent journalists, who don’t want to be invited to Washington cocktail parties.”

That means he’s totally butthurt over not getting invited to the best cocktail parties.

129 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:13:54am

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi

I’m a late bloomer, Doctor Who wise. I saw a few eps when I was younger, but couldn’t get into it. But I really liked the David Tennant Doctor and (I know others disagree) Rose as his companion.

Cool. My favorites are, unsurprisingly, the two active when I started watching and then started again - #4 Tom Baker & #9 Christopher Eccleston. I really wish he’d given them more than a year but what a year!

130 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:14:53am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

We could end this entire discussion (and a great deal of the illegal immigration problem) by simply issuing a national CItizen ID like they have in most other nations.

Any takers?


*crickets from the Middle, mumbling, and vague threats from extreme Left and Right*

131 Lidane  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:20:14am

Circular firing squad ahoy!

132 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:26:22am

re: #130 Sol Berdinowitz

As long as it’s free of charge completely and utterly, including all steps to get it, there’s no problem with that.

133 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:35:30am

re: #130 Sol Berdinowitz

We could end this entire discussion (and a great deal of the illegal immigration problem) by simply issuing a national CItizen ID like they have in most other nations.

Any takers?

*crickets from the Middle, mumbling, and vague threats from extreme Left and Right*

Could end the discussion with bottles of indelible purple ink, like the developing world.

(National ID runs counter to the ‘free and wild’ spirit of the Left and Right. It’s not hard to remember when my side was the subversives under the observation of ‘The Man”.)

134 Flounder  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:35:54am

re: #131 Lidane

heh, “shock jock” Limbaugh.

135 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:36:44am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

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The lesson? Keep your own name.

If I had had the option, or knew about them, all those years ago, I would not have changed my name, and my children would have taken mine.

Even today, they refer to their father (who they never really knew, because he wasn’t interested in them after the divorce—well, any time, really, as people) as the “sperm donor”.

And my relatives couldn’t figure out why I turned to feminism and never remarried, even though some of them did—several times each—but they weren’t looked upon with suspicion. Feminism was just going against established order and religion and shook them up.

136 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:38:43am

re: #131 Lidane

Circular firing squad ahoy!

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Haha, guess who Morning Jerk had as guest this am, shilling his book? Clue: CK. I don’t mean Louis.

137 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:38:47am

re: #132 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

As long as it’s free of charge completely and utterly, including all steps to get it, there’s no problem with that.

Consider the amount of time and discussion it would save…

but no chance, nobody would want to come up with the money up front and both the Left and Right would scream bloody murder, many would refuse to cooperate.

138 b.d.  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:41:26am

re: #68 blueraven

For the 2012 cycle, Armstrong went to work with Libertarian Presidential candidate Gary Johnson,

en.wikipedia.org

I wondered once, for less than a minute, what happened to him after the Hillary/Obama primary wars ended.

139 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:42:51am

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

That means he’s totally butthurt over not getting invited to the best cocktail parties.

GG shakes fist: “I’ll show you fucking elitists! I’ll get you all!”

140 Flounder  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:43:19am

re: #139 Justanotherhuman

and your little dog too!

141 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:43:25am
142 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:47:26am

re: #138 b.d.

en.wikipedia.org

I wondered once, for less than a minute, what happened to him after the Hillary/Obama primary wars ended.

How the hell do you get from this:

…snip working with Greenpeace and Earth First!. He later served with the Peace Corps, spent a year and a half at a Buddhist monastery, served in Americorps, with the I Have A Dream program, and did field organizing in Portland, OR in the early 1990s….

to a libertarian campaign?

143 b.d.  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:56:07am

re: #142 Decatur Deb

How the hell do you get from this:

…snip working with Greenpeace and Earth First!. He later served with the Peace Corps, spent a year and a half at a Buddhist monastery, served in Americorps, with the I Have A Dream program, and did field organizing in Portland, OR in the early 1990s….

to a libertarian campaign?

Jerome got tired of thoose mooching monks

144 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:57:19am

re: #143 b.d.

Jerome got tired of thoose mooching monks

He’s a couple koans short of an enlightenment.

145 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:57:52am

re: #9 Targetpractice

“Economic espionage”? That’s certainly a new accusation from him. Certainly a far cry from earlier assertions that the government was in the business of invading everybody’s privacy.

Well, people are corporations too my friend.
- Romney Mitt

146 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:59:53am

re: #142 Decatur Deb

How the hell do you get from this:

…snip working with Greenpeace and Earth First!. He later served with the Peace Corps, spent a year and a half at a Buddhist monastery, served in Americorps, with the I Have A Dream program, and did field organizing in Portland, OR in the early 1990s….

to a libertarian campaign?

Here you go.

mydd.com

He didn’t get a pony.

147 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:07:36am

re: #146 Justanotherhuman

Here you go.

mydd.com

He didn’t get a pony.

Ah. One of his responses to comments:

RE: 1
I actually voted for Nader in ‘96 (Paul in ‘88), and voted for Gore in ‘00. Am really interested to see if 3rd Party votes inch up in these mid-terms. Recent polls show them doing so.
by Jerome Armstrong 2010-10-31 11:34AM | 0 recs

He’s been a libertarian loon for a long while.

148 b.d.  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:07:36am

re: #146 Justanotherhuman

Here you go.

mydd.com

He didn’t get a pony.

Please throw me in a rubber room if I get anywhere near saying something like this:

Here’s a clip from Russia Today which beautifully explains my political philosophy.

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:10:46am

Recent Russian politics has been all about creating total chaos and anarchy so that people will welcome any restrictive, authoritarian regime that promises to restore Law and Order.

150 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:17:16am

re: #148 b.d.

Please throw me in a rubber room if I get anywhere near saying something like this:

Here’s a clip from Russia Today which beautifully explains my political philosophy.

And see how this woman was attacked for saying this:

“Looks like I’ll be moving on from MyDD.

“This is not the MyDD I signed on to.

“Good luck wherever life takes you.”

151 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:17:23am

re: #137 Sol Berdinowitz

Consider the amount of time and discussion it would save…

but no chance, nobody would want to come up with the money up front and both the Left and Right would scream bloody murder, many would refuse to cooperate.

The left would really not scream bloody murder if a comprehensive ID system was enforced, as long as it didn’t go along with some punitive kick-out-all-undocumented-aliens campaigns.

152 b.d.  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:21:49am

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

And see how this woman was attacked for saying this:

“Looks like I’ll be moving on from MyDD.

“This is not the MyDD I signed on to.

“Good luck wherever life takes you.”

I love this one:

On the contrary, MyDD is back from the dead.

153 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:24:32am
154 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:25:35am

re: #146 Justanotherhuman

Here you go.

mydd.com

He didn’t get a pony.

He has failed, seems to me:

I am ready for a real revolution to happen in this country.

It has got to happen over the next two years,

Time was up last year.

155 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:27:00am

re: #152 b.d.

I love this one:

Well, obviously Armstrong was a libertarian infiltrator from the start. One who completely bamboozled a lot of people, including the Kossacks—which should tell you something.

156 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:32:11am

re: #48 teresa

And this is how he leads his cult, puts out obvious red meat for the Libertarian Masses.. Okay the Libertarian Few, who dream big dreams of Atlas Shrugging. Long live John Galt.. err Glenn Greenwald… er or whatever. He has the corner on truth, he holds the key to what is truthful, what is righteous, and if he has to hang out with known racists and other assorted white Supremacist loons and other felons to accomplish his goals, so be it. He.will.never.see.the.irony.

But it’s still a recommended blogger when Daniel Larison does it. According to your blog.

157 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:33:01am

re: #154 wrenchwench

He has failed, seems to me:

Time was up last year.

Hasta siempre.

158 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:39:09am

re: #48 teresa

And this is how he leads his cult, puts out obvious red meat for the Libertarian Masses.. Okay the Libertarian Few, who dream big dreams of Atlas Shrugging. Long live John Galt.. err Glenn Greenwald… er or whatever. He has the corner on truth, he holds the key to what is truthful, what is righteous, and if he has to hang out with known racists and other assorted white Supremacist loons and other felons to accomplish his goals, so be it. He.will.never.see.the.irony.

The non-ironic point is that if Greenwald and his band ever won real power, then the far-right people would turn on him and try to run him off for being gay. Glenn Greenwald is attacking those who accept his sexuality and has allied himself with those who ultimately want to murder him.

159 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:49:41am

re: #151 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The left would really not scream bloody murder if a comprehensive ID system was enforced, as long as it didn’t go along with some punitive kick-out-all-undocumented-aliens campaigns.

The GG Dudebro left certainly would see it as another nefarious government plot to make it easier for them to spy on us.

I live in Germany where you have to present an ID card to register a car, open a bank account, obtain a driver’s license, enroll a child in school, sign an apartment lease or even check into a hotel room. As a non-citizen, I have to show a valid residence permit.

A system like that would end any serious discussion about voter ID, make it much harder to commit fraud involving public services, etc.

And would be impossible to institute in the USA because people would scream bloody murder about government control and Big Brother.

160 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:50:40am
161 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:51:19am
162 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:54:27am

re: #161 darthstar

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Glenn Greenwald is: The Gay Sean Hannity.

Doesn’t matter whose policy he supported, both presidents Bush as well as President Obama are better men than Glenn Greenwald will ever be.

163 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:57:15am

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

The non-ironic point is that if Greenwald and his band ever won real power, then the far-right people would turn on him and try to run him off for being gay. Glenn Greenwald is attacking those who accept his sexuality and has allied himself with those who ultimately want to murder him.

They would probably put him in the camps for being a Juice, as well as being gay. Remember the lessons of the National Socialists. They hated everyone who wasn’t “pure” according to their Aryan standards and eventually co-opted everyone. I can totally see rightwing white christian males going that route eventually because just as some require ideological purity on the left, they require it on the right even more so. And we already see the damage they’re trying to inflict without having total power.

Those like Greenwald who cloak themselves in “leftwing” ideology to mask their real purpose of libertarianism have already crossed the Rubicon on their leftward direction, and are truly stupid if they think they can control the fascist-minded.

164 b.d.  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:00:57am

re: #161 darthstar

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Man, you cannot quote The Greenwald in a bad light. The Dudebro posse is going to go apeshit on that tweeter.

165 ObserverArt  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:06:05am

re: #117 Justanotherhuman

What MSNBC is peddling this am on Morning Jerk:

WH knew millions would lose their current insurance.

Obama lied!

What they’re not pointing out is that those “millions” have plans that don’t cover them optimally (for instance pre-existing conditions or a different age limit for kids) or contain clauses that are not allowed under ACA. This is a re-write for the insurance industry, also, which many don’t understand.

It’s a very complicated piece of legislation and I think the WH has only made the mistake of thinking that people would be grown up enough not to have it spoon-fed to them.

Isn’t it up to the States and to Congress to explain this legislation as much as it is the WH? If there is blame in getting people to understand, it should be spread around.

I had Morning Joke on this morning because I sort of knew this ACA revelation would be their main first story.

One thing hit me that I had been wondering about…Scarborough absolutely hates President Obama. He was almost gloating over this ACA stuff, more or less saying the President lied about people keeping their same insurance as he had promised in his State of the Union.

Then he ranted about Obama ramping up the NSA spy stuff to include spying on foreign leaders. When it was pointed out to him that program started under Bush in ‘02 and was actually hoped for even prior to 9/11 he wouldn’t have it…it was all Obama fault all the time.

My conclusion…Joe Scarborough is jealous of Obama holding the office and can’t stand it. And this stuff gives him the opportunity to take as many digs as possible.

I wonder does NBC pay more for the same talking heads we see on other MSNBC shows to have to sit on Morning Joke and keep Scarborough entertained. I’d have a hard time to keep from telling him to grow up and stop acting like a dumbass frat boy.

Oh yeah. Lisa Myers was trying to put the whole ACA story she is credited for breaking in context, but the minute she tried to explain why these people had received notices their plans would have to change, they glossed over it and never let her go into it.

We really needed a real media.

166 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:08:15am

re: #164 b.d.

Man, you cannot quote The Greenwald in a bad light. The Dudebro posse is going to go apeshit on that tweeter.

And they’ll find that Tahoe is a hard road to travel if they mess with Darthstar:

Youtube Video

167 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:09:27am

Wingnuts like to use the word “LIED” to describe “Made a statement based on information that was available at that time.”

ATTENTION WINGNUTS: “LIED” is only when you DELIBERATELY misrepresent something while knowing the actual facts.

Kind of what you do every time you say that Obama “LIED”

168 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:09:59am

Grump.

The latest version of Pages for the Mac has been dumbed down so that it is compatible with the iPad version. As a result getting my ebooks ready for publication has become more difficult.

Grump.

169 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:12:57am

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

And they’ll find that Tahoe is a hard road to travel if they mess with Darthstar:

[Embedded content]

Meh…I’m a softie.

170 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:16:54am

re: #169 darthstar

Meh…I’m a softie.

Online, you’re something of an Evil Clown and I was trying to convey the fact that you meet hate-spewers with shattering volleys of wit and logic that make the haters sorry they messed with you.

171 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:18:50am

Good morning Lizards,

Not facing the IT disasters that Kragar has been dealing with, but have a bunch of people who apparently are not capable of thinking about consequences and potential problems raised by actions taken. And I get handed the stuff to fix — right away!

(And “my crisis has now become your crisis” crap is one of my major pet peeves.)

Time to drink more coffee and send more soothing e-mails as I wade through requests* and prepare reports for meetings.

* - Sample: Newly hired (actually re-hired) analyst puts in ticket noting that her SAP access is limited and should match that of the analyst she replaced that has left the company. She started four weeks ago, and the person she replaced left two weeks ago - at which point his SAP account was deleted. Which means that I have to search change logs to figure out what security roles the now gone account used to have. And since the logs are a large search space the searches often timeout and take 3-4 attempts before one completes. GAH.

172 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:18:52am
173 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:24:34am

Very punny drinking gal! How to make Flaming ButterBeer ~Youtube Video

174 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:24:40am
175 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:26:13am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Online, you’re something of an Evil Clown and I was trying to convey the fact that you meet hate-spewers with shattering volleys of wit and logic that make the haters sorry they messed with you.

I have my moments…but a good discussion is also welcome.

Okay….time to go walk the dogs.

176 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:27:08am

Morning, Lizards!

In today’s NYT there’s an article about John Kasich, Republican Governor of Ohio, which deals mostly with his support for Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion in his state. His state’s teabaggers oppose this of course, because Medicaid expansion = MarxistCommunismSocialismShariaLaw. But the article also reported this:

Still, the governor got nowhere with the legislature, where Republicans hold majorities in both houses and many conservatives are rankled with his half-embrace of Mr. Obama’s law. The right flank had dealt him an earlier defeat, refusing a proposal to raise taxes on oil and gas companies and use the money for an income tax cut — which Tea Party supporters called redistributing wealth.

So, um, I don’t know. I got nothing. Ohioans, did you do this on purpose, elect this legislature? /

177 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:28:35am

re: #174 darthstar

But the website doesn’t work and Glitches!!!

/

178 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:28:45am

re: #168 Romantic Heretic

Grump.

The latest version of Pages for the Mac has been dumbed down so that it is compatible with the iPad version. As a result getting my ebooks ready for publication has become more difficult.

Grump.

Now that sucks big time. Pages was one of the better things to come out of Apple in awhile. Google’s been dumbing down all their apps too of late. I am so sick and tired of it.

179 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:32:19am

re: #176 Bulworth

Morning, Lizards!

In today’s NYT there’s an article about John Kasich, Republican Governor of Ohio, which deals mostly with his support for Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion in his state. His state’s teabaggers oppose this of course, because Medicaid expansion = MarxistCommunismSocialismShariaLaw. But the article also reported this:

So, um, I don’t know. I got nothing. Ohioans, did you do this on purpose, elect this legislature? /

I don’t have anything either, expect to say that a legislator who voted for lower taxes for energy companies over lower taxes for individuals is likely to have a rough reelection campaign.

180 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:32:36am

re: #146 Justanotherhuman

It has got to happen over the next two years, and its going to take progressives, libertarians, tea partiers, coffee partiers, conservatives… everyone that is not part of the problem (the financial/political/military elite). Get radical, first by moving beyond attachment to a single party or a political identity. Radicalize them both, go independent; whatever, and if that’s not you too, then get out of the way.

Oh. //

Just trying to imagine what sort of policy priorities would emerge from this “revolution”.

181 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:33:30am

re: #180 Bulworth

Oh. //

Just trying to imagine what sort of policy priorities would emerge from this “revolution”.

AGAINST EVERYTHING WE DON’T LIKE!!!!

182 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:37:03am

re: #180 Bulworth

Oh. //

Just trying to imagine what sort of policy priorities would emerge from this “revolution”.

Probably something like that comic-opera Austrian revolution that had all sorts of bizarre characters, including one who sent telegrams addressed to “Comrade Pope” and accused a cabinet minister of making off with the key to the washroom.

183 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:37:12am

re: #180 Bulworth

Oh. //

Just trying to imagine what sort of policy priorities would emerge from this “revolution”.

There’d be none, just an intense focus on purity, complete with purges. Radicalization is not a thing to look for right now, since it would most likely result in substantial amounts of (literal) gunfire aimed at people.

184 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:38:54am

Also, from the Washington Post this a.m.:

Democrat Terry McAuliffe has opened a double-digit lead over Republican Ken Cuccinelli II in the race for Virginia governor, in a new poll capturing increasing dissatisfaction among voters with Cuccinelli’s party and his conservative views.

Wait, that can’t be right. Everyone knows Cooch isn’t conservative enough. //

185 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:45:33am

re: #184 Bulworth

Also, from the Washington Post this a.m.:

Wait, that can’t be right. Everyone knows Cooch isn’t conservative enough. //

I’ve been assured that Cucci is on the very of a come-from-behind victory, because he can bridge a double-digit gap through turnout alone! He’s on his way to the governor’s mansion!

////

186 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:46:09am

re: #180 Bulworth

Oh. //

Just trying to imagine what sort of policy priorities would emerge from this “revolution”.

Actually I think both major parties would love this. Their radical fringes split off and negate each other on an issue by issue basis. That returns control and contribution focus to the establishment pro-business and “two parties that are 90% the same policy-wise” semi-moderate factions.

And there’s nothing that starts turning off “activists” like a little sub-party having no funds, no true effect, and squabbling all the time over petty control issues or fringe declaration statements.

187 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:46:28am

re: #184 Bulworth

Also, from the Washington Post this a.m.:

Wait, that can’t be right. Everyone knows Cooch isn’t conservative enough. //

He’s conservative, but he’s not a racist. He doesn’t get points for it, though, because more centrist and liberal voters don’t trust the Virginia GOP right now. Cuccinelli’s changing the GOP nominating process in Virginia from a primary to a caucus system got him the nomination for governor, but the concomitant empowering of the Tea Party has made the nomination a poisoned chalice.

188 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:46:33am

re: #185 Targetpractice

I’ve been assured that Cucci is on the very of a come-from-behind victory, because he can bridge a double-digit gap through turnout alone! He’s on his way to the governor’s mansion!

////

once he takes a lead in the polls…

189 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:47:40am

re: #185 Targetpractice

I’ve been assured that Cucci is on the very of a come-from-behind victory, because he can bridge a double-digit gap through turnout alone! He’s on his way to the governor’s mansion!

////

“Q to 12” in the latest unskewed polling.

190 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:47:43am

re: #181 Sol Berdinowitz

AGAINST EVERYTHING WE DON’T LIKE!!!!

“Whatever it is, I’m against it.

“No matter what it is, or who commenced it,

“I’m against it!”

191 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:49:21am

re: #190 GeneJockey

“Whatever it is, I’m against it.

“No matter what it is, or who commenced it,

“I’m against it!”

Quoting “Green Evolution and Ken Ham”?
/

192 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:51:51am

re: #189 Feline Fearless Leader

“Q to 12” in the latest unskewed polling.

Mr. Watterson, is that you?

193 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:52:17am

WTFITS

194 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:52:38am

re: #191 Feline Fearless Leader

Quoting “Green Evolution and Ken Ham”?
/

It should be clear by now that I’m a Marxist.

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:52:46am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

Mr. Watterson, is that you?

Calvinball is the key insight.

196 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:54:55am

re: #193 Vicious Babushka

Maybe Paul thinks PBO and members of Congress are/were uninsured? //

197 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:55:32am

re: #193 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

Because they have a better government-sponsored health plan.

198 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:55:35am

re: #193 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

A particularly galling thing about Obamacare is those who created, upheld & signed it don’t have to live under it:

because they all had health insurance

You all beat me to the punch, but the sub-text is that this law was somehow “forced down our throats” by the Establishment against our will…

199 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:56:11am

re: #196 Bulworth

Maybe Paul thinks PBO and members of Congress are/were uninsured? //

Its him going after the subsidy received by members of congress and their staffs.

200 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:56:16am

re: #196 Bulworth

Maybe Paul thinks PBO and members of Congress are/were uninsured? //

I was under the impression their employer provided health insurance.

201 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:57:15am

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

Its him going after the subsidy received by members of congress and their staffs.

Who would work for an asshole who publicly declares you a moocher?

202 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:57:20am

I keep wondering what the endgame is that the wingnuts envision with the repeal of the ACA. Suppose that a repeal effort succeeded before next November. What is the GOP planning to run on, having “saved” America from the tyranny of affordable health care?

203 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:58:34am

re: #202 Targetpractice

I keep wondering what the endgame is that the wingnuts envision with the repeal of the ACA. Suppose that a repeal effort succeeded before next November. What is the GOP planning to run on, having “saved” America from the tyranny of affordable health care?

They haven’t thought that far ahead.

204 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 7:59:07am

re: #201 GeneJockey

Who would work for an asshole who publicly declares you a moocher?

Well, to be fair he also called himself that by extension. Call it “The Zen of Auqa Buddha”.

205 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:00:31am

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

Well, to be fair he also called himself that by extension. Call it “The Zen of Auqa Buddha”.

It’s one thing to offer to give up your own benefits. It’s quite another to say your much-less-well-paid staff shouldn’t have them.

206 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:01:46am

re: #202 Targetpractice

I keep wondering what the endgame is that the wingnuts envision with the repeal of the ACA. Suppose that a repeal effort succeeded before next November. What is the GOP planning to run on, having “saved” America from the tyranny of affordable health care?

Stopping Obama is enough. Why do you demand more from your saviors?
///

207 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:02:59am

re: #203 wheat-dogghazi

They haven’t thought that far ahead.

That much became obvious awhile back, when the “Repeal & Replace” mantra quietly lost the “& Replace” portion. 3 years later, they still can’t come up with any sort of replacement plan. Instead we’re supposed to just take it on faith that the “unbridled free market” can fix the problem…eventually.

208 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:04:16am

re: #202 Targetpractice

I keep wondering what the endgame is that the wingnuts envision with the repeal of the ACA. Suppose that a repeal effort succeeded before next November. What is the GOP planning to run on, having “saved” America from the tyranny of affordable health care?

Their base is all on Medicare. They’re terribly afraid that by providing something that isn’t socialized medicine to millions of uninsured Americans, that they’ll suffer a reduction in their ACTUAL socialized medicine.

Hence, Republicans who would seek to REPEAL Medicare running on accusations that Obama has reduced its funding.

It doesn’t have to make sense. All it has to do is further frighten a lot of easily frightened, willfully ignorant people.

209 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:04:20am

WINGNUT OUTRAGE THAT WOMEN DON’T HAVE TO PAY MORE JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE WOMEN.

210 erik_t  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:04:38am

re: #207 Targetpractice

That much became obvious awhile back, when the “Repeal & Replace” mantra quietly lost the “& Replace” portion. 3 years later, they still can’t come up with any sort of replacement plan. Instead we’re supposed to just take it on faith that the “unbridled free market” can fix the problem…eventually.

For all the relatively deserved grief John Kerry got for being “whatever he’s for, I’m against it” in 2004, you couldn’t more accurately describe the current Republican Party.

211 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:06:54am

re: #210 erik_t

For all the relatively deserved grief John Kerry got for being “whatever he’s for, I’m against it”, you couldn’t more accurately describe the current Republican Party.

It’s liked a perverted contrarian version of “Simon says”.

212 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:08:35am

re: #210 erik_t

For all the relatively deserved grief John Kerry got for being “whatever he’s for, I’m against it”, you couldn’t more accurately describe the current Republican Party.

The current Tea/GOP runs on the assumption that government is bad (except when restricting reproductive and civil rights, and promoting Christianity) so why bother proposing a plan? The Mighty Free Market can fix anything!

213 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:10:00am

re: #212 wheat-dogghazi

The current Tea/GOP runs on the assumption that government is bad (except when restricting reproductive and civil rights, and promoting Christianity) so why bother proposing a plan? The Mighty Free Market can fix anything!

So when a crisis happens Mighty Free Market Man appears. And asks how much you’re willing to shell out to prevent the monster-of-the-day from destroying the city.

214 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:10:43am

re: #212 wheat-dogghazi

The current Tea/GOP runs on the assumption that government is bad (except when restricting reproductive and civil rights, and promoting Christianity) so why bother proposing a plan? The Mighty Free Market can fix anything!

Yakov’s Elixir! It’s good for what you have!

215 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:12:06am

re: #213 Feline Fearless Leader

So when a crisis happens Mighty Free Market Man appears. And asks how much you’re willing to shell out to prevent the monster-of-the-day from destroying the city.

I picture him as kind of like the Phantom Limb, what with his Invisible Hands.

216 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:12:43am

re: #213 Feline Fearless Leader

So when a crisis happens Mighty Free Market Man appears. And asks how much you’re willing to shell out to prevent the monster-of-the-day from destroying the city.

If Superman were a libertarian, he’d ask money up front before saving Metropolis or Smallville. Bad enough he and those escapees from the Phantom Zone demolished both Smallville and half of Manhattan duking it out.

217 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:15:48am

re: #216 wheat-dogghazi

If Superman were a libertarian, he’d ask money up front before saving Metropolis or Smallville. Bad enough he and those escapees from the Phantom Zone demolished both Smallville and half of Manhattan duking it out.

And when presented with the bill for the rebuild, Superman, inc. declares bankruptcy, leaving its shareholders with nothing and the bondholders with pennies on the dollar. Meanwhile, Superman himself gets other investors to kick in for Trump Superman Tower…

218 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:16:28am

re: #215 GeneJockey

I picture him as kind of like the Phantom Limb, what with his Invisible Hands.

But his sharp business practices do explain why there is a stately MFM Manor and all the toys that the Joker wonders about.

* - Been playing too much Sentinals of the Multiverse lately. Makes it easy to put a comic book spin on things. ;p

219 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:16:29am

The Market is a mechanism for balancing supply and demand and directing flows of capital to where they do the most benefit.

But it has become an ideology in and of itself, and its acolytes are willing to sacrifice millions of people’s health care to maintain their belief system

220 piratedan  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:18:03am

re: #215 GeneJockey

I picture him as kind of like the Phantom Limb, what with his Invisible Hands.

gotta upding anytime some one drops a Venture Brothers reference…. just following the Monty Python Protocol of rating comments.

221 erik_t  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:19:22am

re: #219 Sol Berdinowitz

The Market is a mechanism for balancing supply and demand and directing flows of capital to where they do the most benefit.

But it has become an ideology in and of itself, and its acolytes are willing to sacrifice millions of people’s health care to maintain their belief system

It’s a version of freedumb, or something.

I don’t understand people. Part of freedom is being free to combine your individual powers to defend each other from predation.

222 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:19:34am

re: #219 Sol Berdinowitz

The Market is a mechanism for balancing supply and demand and directing flows of capital to where they do the most benefit.

But it has become an ideology in and of itself, and its acolytes are willing to sacrifice millions of people’s health care to maintain their belief system

Kinda like how faith gets twisted from a comfort in a scary world into a reason to kill people.

223 Gus  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:20:02am

So who put together the drone hearings today? Alan Grayson?

224 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:20:53am

re: #223 Gus

So who put together the drone hearings today? Alan Grayson?

Aren’t those sort of monotonous by default?

225 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:21:31am

re: #223 Gus

So who put together the drone hearings today? Alan Grayson?

Aren’t they ALL drone hearings? So few actual questions, so much droning on to hear their own voices.

226 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:22:57am

Edit to my post #182; I was thinking of the Bavarian Soviet Republic of Ernst Toller - I got it confused with Austria. My bad.

His government members were not always well-chosen. For instance, the Foreign Affairs Deputy Dr. Franz Lipp (who had been admitted several times to psychiatric hospitals), declared war on Switzerland over the Swiss refusal to lend 60 locomotives to the Soviet Republic. He also claimed to be well acquainted with Pope Benedict XV and he informed Vladimir Lenin via cable that the ousted former Minister-President Hoffmann had fled to Bamberg and taken the key to the ministry toilet with him.

Wacky bunch….

227 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:23:06am

re: #224 Feline Fearless Leader

Aren’t those sort of monotonous by default?

re: #225 GeneJockey

Aren’t they ALL drone hearings? So few actual questions, so much droning on to hear their own voices.

Great minds, same gutter…

228 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:25:23am

re: #221 erik_t

It’s a version of freedumb, or something.

I don’t understand people. Part of freedom is being free to combine your individual powers to defend each other from predation.

When investors do that to form a corporation, that is praised as the very heart and soul of capitalism, When consumers or employees do it, they are derided as collectivists and parasites.

229 Flounder  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:27:02am

I saw my first “I Love Obamacare” bumper sticker.

230 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:27:15am

re: #223 Gus

So who put together the drone hearings today? Alan Grayson?

Edit: I was wrong.

231 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:27:53am

re: #219 Sol Berdinowitz

The Market is a mechanism for balancing supply and demand and directing flows of capital to where they do the most benefit.

But it has become an ideology in and of itself, and its acolytes are willing to sacrifice millions of people’s health care to maintain their belief system

The idea of the “Free Market” as a great equalizer and promoter of benevolence seems more and more like a religion everyday. The Church of Rand, spreading the dogma to all, promoting the “Market” as something that moves in mysterious ways, it’s workings inscrutable to all but the chosen, and its malevolence a sign of failing on the part of the faithful.

232 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:27:57am

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

I don’t have anything either, expect to say that a legislator who voted for lower taxes for energy companies over lower taxes for individuals is likely to have a rough reelection campaign.

Why? Who’s donations occur in greater quantities? Oil companies. They’re going to be the ones to proffer ads touting less restriction on their operations, and ignore that the tax cuts would potentially help a wider segment of the population.

People who voted for this situation wont be swayed by facts.

233 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:28:02am

re: #223 Gus

So who put together the drone hearings today? Alan Grayson?

Yeah, looks like it. I watched a bit and it was mostly uninteresting. He’s a reprehensible douche but I guess Ron Paul and Kucinich need a replacement.

234 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:30:49am

Live: Drone Survivors Speak at Congressional Briefing
occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com

235 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:32:52am

re: #231 Targetpractice

The idea of the “Free Market” as a great equalizer and promoter of benevolence seems more and more like a religion everyday. The Church of Rand, spreading the dogma to all, promoting the “Market” as something that moves in mysterious ways, it’s workings inscrutable to all but the chosen, and its malevolence a sign of failing on the part of the faithful.

The notion that the market needs an infrastructure, both physical and legal/regulatory, does not fit into their world-view. They somehow believe that it will regulate itself without costing lives and health along the way.

236 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:32:53am

re: #227 GeneJockey

Great minds, same gutter…

Go up-ding Gus for tossing the softball question out there to be hit.

237 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:33:49am

re: #231 Targetpractice

The idea of the “Free Market” as a great equalizer and promoter of benevolence seems more and more like a religion everyday. The Church of Rand, spreading the dogma to all, promoting the “Market” as something that moves in mysterious ways, it’s workings inscrutable to all but the chosen, and its malevolence a sign of failing on the part of the faithful.

Yes. ‘If it were really needed, The Market would provide it!’; ‘If their work were really valuable, The Market would pay them more!’; ‘If they didn’t provide value, The Market would pay them less!’

It truly is a dogma, comprised of beliefs that cannot be challenged by empirically derived data, and are not to be questioned. And it provides its believers with justification for their wealth, or for failing to be wealthy (Government forced the company to give YOUR JOB to that woman/black/hispanic/what have you); and it gives them a good reason to look down on those less fortunate.

238 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:34:17am

re: #236 Feline Fearless Leader

Go up-ding Gus for tossing the softball question out there to be hit.

Well, if he’s gonna float ‘em right across the plate….

239 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:36:40am

re: #235 Sol Berdinowitz

The notion that the market needs an infrastructure, both physical and legal/regulatory, does not fit into their world-view. They somehow believe that it will regulate itself without costing lives and health along the way.

I shit you not, a wingnut who constantly bitches to me about the size of the government, when confronted with how so much of that growth came at the insistence that the government address very real problems in the private sector…immediately told me that that was “before” it got big.

240 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:39:27am

Well.
I just had to take an antitrust and price-fixing course as part of my corporate training program.

They take this shit very seriously.

241 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:41:00am

re: #240 Vicious Babushka

Well.
I just had to take an antitrust and price-fixing course as part of my corporate training program.

They take this shit very seriously.

because it needs to be gotten around using the most advanced methods…

242 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:45:43am

What Steve is really saying, is he thinks women should be forced to pay more for policies that cover women bodyparts, but he’s blaming it on HURR HURR OBAMA.

243 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:46:04am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

Live: Drone Survivors Speak at Congressional Briefing
occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com

It didn’t seem the same as other “unofficial hearings” we’ve seen congresscritters at. Most of those have much of the focus on the members of congress (both for public profile purposes and for vanity), while this one didn’t seem to as much.

[edited]

244 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:47:19am

re: #241 Sol Berdinowitz

because it needs to be gotten around using the most advanced methods…

You’ve got your cynicism at about 8.5/10. Turn it down to 8/10, :)

245 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:54:24am
246 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:56:12am

Oh, this is rich.

Conservative group hits McConnell in new TV ad’

firstread.nbcnews.com

So they’re saying The Turtle has been co-opted because he’s going along to get along? Sore losers.

“The Senate Conservatives Fund, which endorsed McConnell’s GOP challenger Matt Bevin earlier this month, is launching its first TV ad since officially wading into the race, and it charges that “McConnell helped Barack Obama and Harry Reid fund Obamacare.”

“Conservatives asked Mitch McConnell to lead the fight against Obamacare. He didn’t listen,” the 30-second ad says. “Now Kentucky families are paying the price. Premiums up, lost coverage, even lost jobs. When Kentucky needed Mitch McConnell the most, he let us down. Now he’s asking us to give him six more years in Washington?”

“”The $330,000 ad buy from the group’s super PAC arm, Senate Conservatives Action, will run statewide on broadcast and cable stations from Oct. 30 through Nov. 12. It’s the second SCF ad targeting McConnell, founded by now-Heritage Foundation President Jim DeMint. Before the shutdown, they had launched another TV ad urging McConnell not to back down from defunding Obamacare. “

247 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:57:53am


Policies are being replaced with those that meet the new ACA requirements for preventative care, mammograms, etc., so those policies that were bare-bones and covered the barest amount under states that pretty much let folks get hosed for coverage now have better coverages. Some of those may see higher premiums, but would also see benefits should they get sick - no lifetime caps, no preexisting conditions, and better preventative care.

And as I keep posting on twitter and here - insurance companies regularly phased out policies and employers would regularly switch policies and insurers so that people would lose their doctors and coverages. The ACA isn’t exactly breaking new ground there.

Should the Administration have oversold the fact that people would be able to keep their existing policies? Probably - especially when the requirements to improve coverages was imposed it would phase out other coverages - but this too has a caveat. The ACA has been imposed since 2009. People have seen their coverage remain the same for 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013 benefit years. It’s now changing going into the 2014 benefit year.

But have no fear, the GOP will fearmonger and distort what’s going on to suit their political needs - all while ignoring the actual health care and insurance needs of their constituents. This is particularly true in the South, which has a disproportionate number of uninsureds - the same South that has voted for the GOP and their obstructionist ways to defund, delay, and destroy the ACA.

248 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:59:56am

re: #231 Targetpractice

The idea of the “Free Market” as a great equalizer and promoter of benevolence seems more and more like a religion everyday. The Church of Rand, spreading the dogma to all, promoting the “Market” as something that moves in mysterious ways, it’s workings inscrutable to all but the chosen, and its malevolence a sign of failing on the part of the faithful.

Whenever something bad happens and capitalism makes a profit rather than corrects it, it’s because markets weren’t free enough.

Therefore capitalism can be party to, or just ghoulishly sup upon, vast acres of human misery, and yet never receive any blame. The idea that the profit motive has no conscientious component just doesn’t click. Somehow, it’s government or statism that did the wrong thing, even if capitalist institutions actively funded and supported the wrongdoing (to say nothing of rampant profiteering in crisis situations). Because companies never create pseudo-government structures to control the lives of their employees, nor attempt to monopolize violence when there’s a vacuum of state power.

You don’t find a lot of libertarian free market believers in post-colonial nations. Shocking, I know.

249 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:00:31am

re: #246 Justanotherhuman

Oh, this is rich.

Conservative group hits McConnell in new TV ad’

firstread.nbcnews.com

So they’re saying The Turtle has been co-opted because he’s going along to get along? Sore losers.

“The Senate Conservatives Fund, which endorsed McConnell’s GOP challenger Matt Bevin earlier this month, is launching its first TV ad since officially wading into the race, and it charges that “McConnell helped Barack Obama and Harry Reid fund Obamacare.”

“Conservatives asked Mitch McConnell to lead the fight against Obamacare. He didn’t listen,” the 30-second ad says. “Now Kentucky families are paying the price. Premiums up, lost coverage, even lost jobs. When Kentucky needed Mitch McConnell the most, he let us down. Now he’s asking us to give him six more years in Washington?”

“”The $330,000 ad buy from the group’s super PAC arm, Senate Conservatives Action, will run statewide on broadcast and cable stations from Oct. 30 through Nov. 12. It’s the second SCF ad targeting McConnell, founded by now-Heritage Foundation President Jim DeMint. Before the shutdown, they had launched another TV ad urging McConnell not to back down from defunding Obamacare. “

They’d previously decided to back McConnell’s Tea Party challenger and so McConnell’s office released an scathing missive that basically called the Senate Conservatives Fund a bunch of dysfunctional morons. The SCF has apparently decided to live down to that characterization, since their ad seems the product of dysfunctional morons.

250 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:03:44am

re: #246 Justanotherhuman

Oh, this is rich.

Conservative group hits McConnell in new TV ad’

firstread.nbcnews.com

So they’re saying The Turtle has been co-opted because he’s going along to get along? Sore losers.

“The Senate Conservatives Fund, which endorsed McConnell’s GOP challenger Matt Bevin earlier this month, is launching its first TV ad since officially wading into the race, and it charges that “McConnell helped Barack Obama and Harry Reid fund Obamacare.”

“Conservatives asked Mitch McConnell to lead the fight against Obamacare. He didn’t listen,” the 30-second ad says. “Now Kentucky families are paying the price. Premiums up, lost coverage, even lost jobs. When Kentucky needed Mitch McConnell the most, he let us down. Now he’s asking us to give him six more years in Washington?”

“”The $330,000 ad buy from the group’s super PAC arm, Senate Conservatives Action, will run statewide on broadcast and cable stations from Oct. 30 through Nov. 12. It’s the second SCF ad targeting McConnell, founded by now-Heritage Foundation President Jim DeMint. Before the shutdown, they had launched another TV ad urging McConnell not to back down from defunding Obamacare. “

They’re just mad at Mitch because he couldn’t keep his promise of making Obama a one term president. McConnell’s definitely facing trouble from both flanks though. This is what happens when you decide to be a right wing hack with no principles though.

251 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:07:27am

buzzfeed.com
I confess I only recently heard the Velvet underground for the first time this year and Lou Bega is more closer to my generation than Lou Reed was but really that may be worse than the time at the Super Bowl party I had to explain that the Who’s “Baba O’Reilly” or as she understandably called it “Teenage Wasteland” was not the same as Nirvana’s “Smells like Teen Spirit.” I’m a music snob so sue me.

252 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:13:09am

re: #244 Dark_Falcon

You’ve got your cynicism at about 8.5/10. Turn it down to 8/10, :)

You mean dial it down by 13.9%, the Romney tax rate?

253 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:13:46am

re: #242 Vicious Babushka

Obviously we plan to make people lose their (crappy) insurance without offering any options or means to obtain new or better insurance. Steve is just so right here. ///

254 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:31:32am

re: #253 Bulworth

Obviously we plan to make people lose their (crappy) insurance without offering any options or means to obtain new or better insurance. Steve is just so right here. ///

Lots of people facing a mandatory cost increase will see the cost increase first and foremost, and when that cost increase was mandated by the government they will feel resentment at be controlled.

255 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:32:31am

Wasn’t there some fans of the Atari ST here? Saw this elsewhere:
orangecounty.craigslist.org

256 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:32:41am

I’m cynical enough to think that Chris Christie wouldn’t have gotten a political boost if it hadn’t been for Sandy. It’s obvious he loves Jersey, even if not all its citizens. The shore is good for the business climate, after all, and he was no fool for appearing to cooperate w/Pres Obama in getting the emergency help people needed after the storm, even if he was roundly criticized by the rightwing.

If you examine his stand on the issues, though, he would be a terrible president.

Even as of this week, he blames any delays on the Feds, not the State of NJ. Sandy victims would probably have not been served as well as they have been if a Republican was in office. We saw what happened with Katrina.

257 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:33:30am

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

Lots of people facing a mandatory cost increase will see the cost increase first and foremost, and when that cost increase was mandated by the government they will feel resentment at be controlled by the government instead of private industry.

FTFY.

258 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:34:45am
259 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:36:05am

re: #257 wrenchwench

FTFY.

Government will always scare more people than an insurance company, because it is government that can use force against you. Insurance companies don’t have SWAT teams.

260 Mike Lamb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:39:03am

I’m a bit late to the party to talk about the Greenwald statements, but here it goes anyways:

1. His goal of attracting journalists who don’t want to be invited to DC cocktail parties is actually laudable. The relationship between reporters and potential sources inside the WH, Congress, etc. puts a major strain on a reporters’ incentive to simply tell the story, even if it means foregoing the lazy “pox on both their houses” crap. But having journalists that are willing to forego the cocktail party circuit doesn’t mean they have to be agenda driven like Greenwald.

2. Greenwald’s criticism implies that the raison d’etre of the NSA is to combat terrorism. Obviously, that’s going to be one of the highest priorities right now. Having said that, it’s called the National Security Agency, not the National Ant-Terrorism Agency. It’s scope extends beyond preventing terrorist attacks.

3. His view of national security is exceedingly narrow. The idea that economic interests can’t be part and parcel to national security is naive.

4. His weaselly not “every” country is spying is nauseating. He’s right in a very technical sense, but it’s mostly because not every country has the technological capabilities to engage in the type of spying in which the US and other first world countries are engaged.

5. This quote is amazing: “Not because it damaged national security but because it damages their reputation and credibility around the world.” That he cannot see these two items as closely related is frightening.

6. Another amazing quote: “This is clearly about political power and economic espionage, and the claim that this is all about terrorism is seen around the world as what it is, which is pure deceit.” What does he think nation-states have done since, well, nation-states came into existence?

261 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:39:08am

re: #256 Justanotherhuman

I’m cynical enough to think that Chris Christie wouldn’t have gotten a political boost if it hadn’t been for Sandy. It’s obvious he loves Jersey, even if not all its citizens. The shore is good for the business climate, after all, and he was no fool for appearing to cooperate w/Pres Obama in getting the emergency help people needed after the storm, even if he was roundly criticized by the rightwing.

If you examine his stand on the issues, though, he would be a terrible president.

Even as of this week, he blames any delays on the Feds, not the State of NJ. Sandy victims would probably have not been served as well as they have been if a Republican was in office. We saw what happened with Katrina.

He didn’t become less of a union buster after Sandy nor did he become socially liberal or even moderate. I think he’s smart enough to see the writing on the wall that many conservatives don’t but that’ by no means is an endorsement of him.

262 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:39:12am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Government will always scare more people than an insurance company, because it is government that can use force against you. Insurance companies don’t have SWAT teams.

That’s a dudebro line. Insurance companies scare, anger, and drive to ruination at least as many people as the government does. More in the third instance.

When’s the last time the government used a SWAT team to collect taxes?

263 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:40:54am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Government will always scare more people than an insurance company, because it is government that can use force against you. Insurance companies don’t have SWAT teams.

Sizable footnote: they don’t have SWAT teams because the state has the monopoly on violence.

In other places and other times, companies are/were perfectly happy to privatize thuggery.

To say nothing of the longstanding tradition of the landholders, tenants, and hired goons.

264 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:43:03am

re: #263 The Ghost of a Flea

Sizable footnote: they don’t have SWAT teams because the state has the monopoly on violence.

In other places and other times, companies are/were perfectly happy to privatize thuggery.

To say nothing of the longstanding tradition of the landholders, tenants, and hired goons.

Yep. I understand skepticism of government power but I don’t understand how the same people who see government as being “scary” nary turn an eye to private companies doing the same. Honestly, after reading about that private prison scandal in the state of Pennsylvania, I’d be fine with doing away with all private prisons.

265 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:44:50am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Government will always scare more people than an insurance company, because it is government that can use force against you. Insurance companies don’t have SWAT teams.

Yes, government can burst down your door and shoot you, insurance companies just leave you to die of your illnesses…

266 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:50:22am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Government will always scare more people than an insurance company, because it is government that can use force against you. Insurance companies don’t have SWAT teams.

That’s because, as George Carlin observed, ‘Some people are fucking stupid!’

They need to stop thinking of “Government” as some alien entity forced upon us, and remember the Government is US.

Sure, the government has guns, but it takes its direction from its customers - US. And its customers and its owners are the same people. US.

Insurance companies, like all businesses, exist to make money. They work at the direction of their owners, for the benefit of their owners. The customers are an income source, and a liability. If they can make more money by fucking you than by treating you right, they’ll fuck you.

267 gwangung  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:54:11am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Government will always scare more people than an insurance company, because it is government that can use force against you. Insurance companies don’t have SWAT teams.

Insurance companies are smarter. They use lawyers and the financial power of banks to get what they want. The rubes don’t scream as much, and they still get what they want.

268 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:54:30am

re: #266 GeneJockey

That’s because, as George Carlin observed, ‘Some people are fucking stupid!’

They need to stop thinking of “Government” as some alien entity forced upon us, and remember the Government is US.

Sure, the government has guns, but it takes its direction from its customers - US. And its customers and its owners are the same people. US.

Insurance companies, like all businesses, exist to make money. They work at the direction of their owners, for the benefit of their owners. The customers are an income source, and a liability. If they can make more money by fucking you than by treating you right, they’ll fuck you.

This- yes. When I hear the government talked about, it’s always as if it’s as you put it nicely here a foreign entity placed on us. Well you know what? It’s not. It’s us. The postman who delivers your mail. The air traffic controller who makes your take off and landing safer. The firefighters. And your child’s teachers. They’re all part of the government. Governments certainly are capable of abuse but to face them simply because of that potential is equally as foolish as foolish private companies for the same reason.

269 erik_t  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:54:45am

re: #266 GeneJockey

They need to stop thinking of “Government” as some alien entity forced upon us, and remember the Government is US.

To a Teabagger, a black man in the White House is unfortunately not “us”, and neither is anyone else who voted for him, because they are not from “real America”.

270 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:57:24am

re: #265 Sol Berdinowitz

Yes, government can burst down your door and shoot you, insurance companies just leave you to die of your illnesses…

The mind notices movement, noise, and drama, and does not see quiet tragedy as well. It has to do with how humans evolved, I’ve read.

271 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:58:54am

re: #269 erik_t

To a Teabagger, a black man in the White House is unfortunately not “us”, and neither is anyone else who voted for him, because they are not from “real America”.

They have a problem with the whole idea of self-government. Or perhaps more accurately, with the whole of the population being self-governing. They believe that they are the only ones who should be governing, hence their harking back to when only property owners could vote, and Senators were chosen by state legislatures.

They don’t believe in SMALL government, and they don’t believe in LIMITED government. They believe in government they alone control. All else is tyranny.

272 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:00:59am

re: #271 GeneJockey

They have a problem with the whole idea of self-government. Or perhaps more accurately, with the whole of the population being self-governing. They believe that they are the only ones who should be governing, hence their harking back to when only property owners could vote, and Senators were chosen by state legislatures.

They don’t believe in SMALL government, and they don’t believe in LIMITED government. They believe in government they alone control. All else is tyranny.

273 erik_t  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:01:17am

re: #271 GeneJockey

They don’t believe in SMALL government, and they don’t believe in LIMITED government. They believe in government they alone control. All else is tyranny.

Which is funny, because the average Teabagger is not exactly of the monied elite. I think half of them want to go back to those days because they imagine their station in life would be elevated by virtue of their maleness and skin.

274 Flounder  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:01:29am

re: #262 wrenchwench

they just toss you in jail.

275 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:02:06am

re: #272 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

needs mohr exclamation points…

276 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:02:10am
277 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:03:46am

I like this one:

PUT GOD BACK INTO OUR COUNTRY!!

Dear wingnuts: you deported him because he was a brown-skinned man named Jesus.

278 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:05:32am

re: #274 Flounder

they just toss you in jail.

Yeah, but you have to work at tax evasion before that’ll ever happen. And you get a trial and shit. Insurance companies just decide you had a pre-existing condition and toss you in the grave.

279 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:09:30am

Rand Paul in 1913:
NEARLY HALF OF AMERICA’S TRANSPORTATION IS GENERATED FROM HORSES!!!11! HORSES=JOBS!!!!1!!!!

280 erik_t  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:10:33am

re: #278 wrenchwench

Yeah, but you have to work at tax evasion before that’ll ever happen. And you get a trial and shit. Insurance companies just decide you had a pre-existing condition and toss you in the grave.

Maybe when the wingnuts decided that corporations were people, they figured that corporations would decide to have emotions and empathy.

SURPRISE: they don’t.

281 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:10:40am

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

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“Everyone in our office voted to reject enrollment. We will not use taxpayer money to bail out a program that subsidizes abortion,” said Stockman of the D.C. exchange.

“Obamacare is a failing Ponzi scheme that can only work if it overcharges young people and denies care to older people. Obamacare is not health care and we shouldn’t bail it out with tax dollars.”

“Instead of forcing more people into failed Obamacare I am supporting Rep. Darrel Issa’s HR 3319 to give all Americans access to the same kind of care members of Congress get,” said Stockman.

The bill would allow all Americans to enroll in the Federal Employees Health Benefit Program.
“Here’s my double-dog-dare offer to politicians still backing Obamacare, give your constituents your health care plan and you enroll in the exchanges,” said Stockman.

“If Democrats want to bail out Obamacare they should be forced to enroll in the exchanges.”

282 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:11:52am

re: #280 erik_t

Maybe when the wingnuts decided that corporations were people, they figured that corporations would decide to have emotions and empathy.

SURPRISE: they don’t.

Actually they DO, but only as it pertains to money.

283 erik_t  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:12:08am

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

“Instead of forcing more people into failed Obamacare I am supporting Rep. Darrel Issa’s HR 3319 to give all Americans access to the same kind of care members of Congress get,” said Stockman.

The bill would allow all Americans to enroll in the Federal Employees Health Benefit Program. “Here’s my double-dog-dare offer to politicians still backing Obamacare, give your constituents your health care plan and you enroll in the exchanges,” said Stockman.

Please proceed.

I mean, seriously. Please.

284 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:13:11am

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

“Instead of forcing more people into failed Obamacare I am supporting Rep. Darrel Issa’s HR 3319 to give all Americans access to the same kind of care members of Congress get,” said Stockman.

So, Steve, since your care is subsidized by the federal government, do we get it as cheap as you do?

285 piratedan  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:13:18am

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

“If Democrats want to bail out Obamacare they should be forced to enroll in the exchanges.”

it’s quite scary that these guys can simply say this shit out loud, have it be reported even though we all know that it’s patently untrue. For all of their usefulness, the DC press corp should be reduced to interviewing farm animals about agricultural policy, it’s be as informative.

286 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:13:33am
287 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:17:04am

re: #279 Vicious Babushka

Rand Paul in 1913:
NEARLY HALF OF AMERICA’S TRANSPORTATION IS GENERATED FROM HORSES!!!11! HORSES=JOBS!!!!1!!!!

[Embedded content]

To be fair, coal mining is still a major industry in Kentucky, so for Rand Paul to fight for it is a legitimate part of his duties as a Senator.

288 klys  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:18:16am

It’s snowing at Yellowstone and all I get to do is watch it on the webcam. :(

289 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:24:22am

re: #272 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Mandatory alcohol screening before tweeting OTOH might help society ;)

290 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:43:12am

re: #288 klys

It’s snowing at Yellowstone and all I get to do is watch it on the webcam. :(

I. Hate. Snow!!!!

291 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:52:23am

re: #290 b_sharp

I. Hate. Snow!!!!

I don’t hate snow, but I much prefer it as an option, rather than a default.

292 sagehen  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:52:35am

re: #263 The Ghost of a Flea

Sizable footnote: they don’t have SWAT teams because the state has the monopoly on violence.

In other places and other times, companies are/were perfectly happy to privatize thuggery.

To say nothing of the longstanding tradition of the landholders, tenants, and hired goons.

Youtube Video

In the early days of American trade unions, strikers were routinely beaten and shot and set upon by dogs. Sometimes it was the Pinkertons (a private agency), but for coal miners and steel workers and railroad workers it was just as likely to be the state’s National Guard. Big business could absolutely call upon the governor to send entire battalions of well-armed, well-trained military to act as strikebreakers.


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