WSJ publishes op-ed from health care expert Suzanne Somers

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For your perusal: a thin film of anecdote married to a standard derp armature of fake quotes, and argument from questionable authority: Suzanne Somers: The Affordable Care Act Is a Socialist Ponzi Scheme.

My sister-in-law had to wait two months to get a General Practitioner. During this period she spent her days in bed vomiting continuously, unable to get any food or drink down because she couldn’t get an appointment with the doctor. When she finally did, the doctor said, “Oh you don’t need me, you need a specialist.” That took another two weeks until she got a pill that corrected the problem.

Really, is this what we want?

Funny how every American knows somebody in a country with universal health care that had to wait for treatment, but doesn’t know someone who just plain didn’t get any healthcare in the US. The inverse proposition: what would happen to that person in the US, with no insurance, is not addressed. And, of course, implicitly, any anecdotes about the insane prices of health care without insurance aren’t invalid because reasons…fake quote by V I Lenin reasons:

In earlier version of this post contained a quotation attributed to Lenin (“Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state”) that has been widely disputed. And it included a quotation attributed to Churchill (“Control your citizens’ health care and you control your citizens”) that the Journal has been unable to confirm.

But hey, who can argue with someone who’s been in proximity to doctors? Canadian doctors who moved to the US to make more money…the best kind! Because profit motive is a meaningful metric of efficacy: after all, it’s not like inelastic demand of certain goods and services can result in massive price gouging even for inferior quality.

if you can sell bottled water at a $20 a pop in a disaster area, it must be really good water.

But let’s keep our eye on the ball here. Suzanne Somers is seriously concerned, and it’s not like she directly profits from a long string of peddling snake oil in a succession of “health” books. And the WSJ is a respectable publication that wouldn’t turn over space to a quack who thinks chemo isn’t ever necessary.

Or is worried about water fluoridation.

Derp.

Update:

Suzanne Somers Questions Newtown Shooter Adam Lanza’s Diet, Exposure To Household Toxins

(with a nod to erik_t)

Also, a thorough and snarky analysis of Somers’ anti-cancer quackery at sciencebasedmedicine.org. It features the wonderful phrase “arrogance of ignorance” in the first paragraph and just keeps rolling.

As someone who used to subscribe to the WSJ, I’m embarassed by what the paper has become under Murdoch. I might not have agreed with the op-eds before the takeover, but there was at least a pro forma attempt at coherence.

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111 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:00:18am

Isn’t she also a known anti-vax nut? I mean I think this speaks to her credibility to speak about health issues.

2 Ace-o-aces  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:00:50am

SO, in the course of a single, brief blog post Somers uses two false quotations the WSJ has to retract. Then she incorrectly describes a magazine cover which the Journal has to correct. On top of that, she obviously doesn’t understand how the ACA works, how the Canadian healthcare system works or what a “Ponzi scheme” is. Other than that, she’s an expert.

3 ausador  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:01:08am
The inverse proposition: what would happen to that person in the US, with no insurance, is not addressed.

No problem they just go to the E.R. and get free care!

The problems with this belief are manifest…

1. It isn’t “free care” the person is still billed, when unable to pay the account is given over to a collection agency and the persons credit rating is ruined and he/she is ceaselessly harassed for years over the debt.

2. The amount billed to a person without insurance is almost always orders of magnitude higher than what would be billed to someone with insurance. This is because insurance plans have set rates for specific procedures and charge limits negotiated with their “approved providers.”

3. Try renting a decent apartment, buying car insurance at a reasonable rate, or getting a better job after your credit rating is destroyed by failure to pay medical charges (or bankruptcy due to them). Practically all companies now check the credit scores of people they will be doing business with before agreeing to anything or setting prices.

4. The failure of the uninsured to pay for their hospital services means that everyone else must pay it for them. Hospitals simply can’t tell their drug and equipment suppliers or their employees or utility providers that they are not going to be paid because the Hospital has too many bad debts. One of the major causes of the long-term double digit percentage growth in healthcare and insurance costs is the ever growing ranks of the uninsured. All those unpaid bills result in the cost being spread in the form of increased charges to all of those who can pay for their treatment.

5. You can’t get long-term care from an E.R. only crisis care, sure if you are in a diabetic coma they will stabilize your blood sugar. Afterwards however you will simply be released with only perhaps a referral to one of the few remaining “free clinics” still in operation (provided that your income is non-existent or well below the poverty line).

I could go on to list multiple other reasons but I think that I have hopefully made my point without this getting way too long and boring. :p

4 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:09:25am
WSJ publishes op-ed from health care expert Suzanne Somers

Hilarity ensues….

5 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:44:18am

Churchill? The same Churchill that is from the UK? The same UK that boasts a very successful ‎National Health Service (NHS)?

6 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:44:54am

re: #5 Dr. Matt

Churchill? The same Churchill that is from the UK? The same UK that boasts a very successful ‎National Health Service (NHS)?

She just pulled that quote out of her well-toned ass.

7 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 9:55:28am

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

SO, in the course of a single, brief blog post Somers uses two false quotations the WSJ has to retract.

The only surprising thing about this is that a Murdoch rag would bother to retract it.

8 erik_t  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:17:58am
In January 2013 she suggested that Adam Lanza went on his shooting spree at Sandy Hook Elementary School due to the level of toxins in his diet and the household cleaners he was exposed to. She stated that all these chemicals may “over electrify the brain”.[24]

(nods sagely)

9 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:18:35am

Catering to the same market that thinks David Barton is a historian and Ted Nugent is a great political mind.

10 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:19:22am

All her “expertise” comes from those late-night infomercials she made hawking the “Thighmaster” gadget.

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:19:48am

Honestly, this is one of only several coming waves of Obamacare derp.

The next one will undoubtedly fall just AFTER Jan. 1 when coverage kicks in for enrollees. Expect plenty in the RW news sphere about more “victims” and coverage denials and wait times and whatever else…of course these reports will conveniently ignore that these problems will largely be the fault of you know, private corporations.

Then, expect an even nastier round of derp in 2015 when the first penalties will be levied. I expect any number of wingnut heads to explode when their tax returns evaporate thanks to penalty charges.

This is only the beginning folks. Brace yourselves.

12 sizzzzlerz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:21:07am

I, for one, look forward to Somer’s next in-depth and insightful WSJ op-ed on third world nuclear proliferation and its world impact viz a vi, terrorism. I understand she out does herself with fake quotes.

13 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:21:36am

re: #10 Vicious Babushka

All her “expertise” comes from those late-night infomercials she made hawking the “Thighmaster” gadget.

That’s the tip of the iceberg. Somers’ racket is promoting trendy anti-aging treatments and “natural” stuff. That’s what all her books are about. Snake oil, end-to-end.

14 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:22:19am

re: #12 sizzzzlerz

I, for one, look forward to Somer’s next in-depth and insightful WSJ op-ed on third world nuclear proliferation and its world impact viz a vi, terrorism. I understand she out does herself with fake quotes.

“Sucka MCs better call me SIRE”

- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

15 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:23:18am

She is simply echoing the views you can hear at any mall food court, barbershop or tanning clinic across the nation, and that is what qualifies as “news” these days

16 piratedan  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:23:29am

next week they’re having Joyce DeWitt discuss Syria….. //////

17 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:24:31am
18 jaunte  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54am

Rupert Murdoch has really screwed the WSJ.

19 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:27:16am

I have only, personally, heard one story of a person who died here in Canada waiting for a doctor: my sister-in-law’s mother.

However, she had a very rare form of cancer that required an operation that only three (count them, three) surgeons were qualified to perform. I can’t think of any health care system that could help with a problem like that.

I know of another person I used to talk to on-line, whose mother had a problem that Ontario’s health care system found difficult to deal with. But said mother lived in a rural part of the province and, again, no healthcare system deals with that situation well. Remember, Ontario is bigger than either Alaska or Texas, so rural means rural.

Here’s some very good article comparing the U.S. (before the ACA) and Canadian healthcare systems. Article 1. Article 2.

20 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:27:41am

The WSJ…gosh. If I didn’t know any better I’d almost think somebody like Rupert Murdoch was running that paper.

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21 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:28:51am

What a disgrace the WSJ has become. It used to be an actual NEWS Paper. Now it’s turning into the NY Post.

22 jaunte  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:29:40am

Quack quack…

Somers has come out against chemotherapy, water fluoridation, and other conventional medical practices, but her biggest pet issue is a treatment for menopause and aging called natural bioidentical hormone replacement. Doctors used to prescribe hormones to replace the ones the body stops producing during menopause, but they stopped when they discovered that the treatment likely boosted the risk of heart disease, stroke, breast cancer, and other ailments.
nationaljournal.com

23 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:30:03am

On another note, it’s been 48 hours since a) Lou Reed died, and b) the New York Islanders traded Matt Moulson, and I’ve moved into the “acceptance” phase of both. It’s weird how people you’ve never met and never will meet can affect your mood like that.

24 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:31:02am
25 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:32:12am

re: #23 Ian G.

On another note, it’s been 48 hours since a) Lou Reed died, and b) the New York Islanders traded Matt Moulson, and I’ve moved into the “acceptance” phase of both. It’s weird how people you’ve never met and never will meet can affect your mood like that.

THE ISLANDERS TRADED MATT?!?! WHAT THE FUCK?!

Its a sports thing, right?

26 jaunte  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:32:51am
27 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:33:09am
In earlier version of this post contained a quotation attributed to Lenin (“Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state”) that has been widely disputed. And it included a quotation attributed to Churchill (“Control your citizens’ health care and you control your citizens”) that the Journal has been unable to confirm.

In other words, “we just posted the equivalent of that chain email full of imaginary Hitler quotes your aunt keeps sending you to prove Obama hates America.”

28 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:33:46am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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(I’m sorry…I just had to)

29 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:34:15am

re: #25 Kragar

THE ISLANDERS TRADED MATT?!?! WHAT THE FUCK?!

Its a sports thing, right?

Yes, hockey, you know the sport most Americans forget even exists?

/

30 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:35:14am

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes, hockey, you know the sport most Americans forget even exists?

/

I like the skating and the hitting people with sticks, they just need to lose the nets and the puck thingy.

31 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:37:12am

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes, hockey, you know the sport most Americans forget even exists?

/

I can’t really blame people in LA or Miami or Houston, where water never freezes naturally, for not caring about a game on ice.

However, I can’t fathom much of America’s obsession with NASCAR.

32 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:37:48am

re: #30 Kragar

I like the skating and the hitting people with sticks, they just need to lose the nets and the puck thingy.

I was at a fight recently and a hockey game broke out.

33 calochortus  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:38:10am

Thanks presumably to this topic, I’m now getting an ad here for a water ionizer. Why do I wish to add free radicals to my water?

No, don’t tell me. I think I’ll go knead my bread dough and form it into loaves for its second rise. Yes, I know I make bread backwards, but that’s how you do it with my 1950 “Climax Bread Maker”. (Basically a bucket with a dough hook. Very handy.) bbiab.

34 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:39:48am

Next up, the WSJ will query noted expert Jenny McCarthy on the evils of vaccination and how autism is caused by an overzealous medical industrial complex that wants to stick our kids.

Seriously though, what the heck makes her, or any other Hollywood type an expert on, well, anything other than making movies, tv shots, or music?

I’ll except Mayim Bialik, who’s got a PhD in neurobiology and knows her subject area (but wouldn’t take her advice on anything beyond that).

Oh, she’s gotten an op-ed because she’s well famous for her thigh roller and a few tv shows back in the day.

They could have gotten Jeffrey Boss for that matter to opine on how the NSA was behind 9/11 (this loon is back on the NJ governor’s ballot this year after running for Senate and other statewide offices - and yes, he is that frickin’ nuts).

It’s as though anyone can open their yapper and remove all doubt as to their lack of intelligence for all to see.

She gets to do it on the pages of the WSJ.

Nice. Even nicer - all the corrections they had to run to fix glaring factual problems, which makes you wonder the copy she originally provided and what they corrected even before they ran it.

35 jaunte  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:40:06am
36 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:40:08am

re: #27 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH

In other words, “we just posted the equivalent of that chain email full of imaginary Hitler quotes your aunt keeps sending you to prove Obama hates America.”

I really need to create my own fake quote chain-mails.

“The only thing keeping America from greatness is an obsession with low taxes”. - Thomas Jefferson.

37 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:41:08am

The American Medical Association has weighed in on Obama’s New Health Care Package.


The Allergists were in favor of scratching it, but the Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.

The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.

Meanwhile, Obstetricians felt certain everyone was laboring under a misconception,
while the Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted.

Pathologists yelled, “Over my dead body!” while the Pediatricians said, “Oh, grow up!”

The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists claimed they could see right through it.

Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing and the Internists claimed it would indeed be a bitter pill to swallow.

The Plastic Surgeons opined that this proposal would “put a whole new face on the matter”.

The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.

Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and those lofty Cardiologists didn’t have the heart to say no.

In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the a**holes in Washington.

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:41:42am

“Unlimited access to firearms will result in mob rule”
Teddy Roosevelt

40 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:43:50am

BTW, this is just more evidence of the “Hollywood is run by Lib’ruls” meme being total horseshit. I can name a lot of directors, writers, and actors with a helluva lot more talent than Suzanne Somers who are rather wingnutty.

Honestly, only rock music (good rock music, not Ted Nugent and Creed) seems to have a dearth of wingnuts. Johnny Ramone is probably the only wingnut I have on my iPod.

41 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:44:03am

re: #8 erik_t

(nods sagely)

Too much Phlogiston in his bedroom.

42 andres  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:45:35am

OT: Anyone having their pop ups opening in LGF Full Screen in Chrome for Mac?

43 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:45:43am

Meanwhile, those latest stories about the NSA spying on Spain and Germany?

The Snowden promoters got this one totally wrong.

44 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:46:53am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, those latest stories about the NSA spying on Spain and Germany?

The Snowden promoters got this one totally wrong.

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My shocked face, I left it around here somewhere….

46 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:49:03am
47 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:49:10am

re: #44 wrenchwench

My shocked face, I left it around here somewhere….

In a jar, by the door?

48 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:49:22am

re: #45 Kragar

Van Jones: Republicans Oppose Their Own Ideas as Soon as Obama Mentions Them

I believe that’s the “Blacktracking” phenomenon we’ve mentioned here before.

49 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:49:38am

re: #47 GeneJockey

In a jar, by the door?

In a van, by the river?

/

50 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:50:27am

re: #47 GeneJockey

In a jar, by the door?

My nose is running with my stockings.

51 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:52:10am

GOP Rep: Obama ‘Ought To Reimburse The American People’ For Website Repairs

We’ll put that on the bill, right next to the 24 BILLION DOLLARS THE GOP PISSED AWAY ON THE SHUTDOWN.

52 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:52:21am

That “Journalism” thing that Glenn keeps saying he is doing, how does that work?

53 Ace-o-aces  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:54:00am

re: #36 Ian G.

I really need to create my own fake quote chain-mails.

“The only thing keeping America from greatest is an obsession with low taxes”. - Thomas Jefferson.

“God created the Earth and all living creatures upon it and did so in only six days. This is the basis of all my beliefs and actions.”
-Adolf Hitler

54 andres  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:54:02am

re: #44 wrenchwench

My shocked face, I left it around here somewhere….

Had to buy a new shocked face on eBay, my old one is too worn with all these great revelations.

55 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:54:22am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Not surprising at all.


We can go back through your postings here and see all the technical details they got wrong. We can see all the exaggerated headlines and content released that directly contradicts their claims, and on and on.

What we know for sure - Snowden got his hands on materials he had no right to access - at or above his clearance level, and dumped them into Greenwald’s lap and Greenwald had little understanding of what he was viewing so he went ahead and used the documents to support his narrative that the US was doing real bad things including spying on Americans in the US, that the NSA was unsupervised (it wasn’t), that the FISC was rubber stamping decisions (it wasn’t), and that NSA officials could run roughshod over American civil liberties (it really can’t).

At the same time, he would proffer that the US was spying on allies and enemies alike and it’s not newsworthy since the NSA and its predecessor was doing that all along, and our allies and enemies alike are doing the same to us, though we’d like to think that our secrets are safe.

Well, the only thing Greenwald’s succeeded in doing is poisoning the well and degraded our relations with our allies and undermined our ability to gather intel about enemies and potential threats by exposing means and methods.

But other than that, he’s been on the ball….

56 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:54:41am

re: #51 Kragar

Ok, I’ll ask: how exactly should PBO, or any public official, go about reimbursing “the American people” for website repairs?

57 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:54:50am

re: #52 Vicious Babushka

That “Journalism” thing that Glenn keeps saying he is doing, how does that work?

He talks about hypotheticals, complains when anyone points out what he got wrong, then makes personal attacks when ever anyone questions his motives.

58 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:54:56am

re: #52 Vicious Babushka

That “Journalism” thing that Glenn keeps saying he is doing, how does that work?

Journalism. It doesn’t mean what he thinks it means.

59 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:55:40am

re: #51 Kragar

GOP Rep: Obama ‘Ought To Reimburse The American People’ For Website Repairs

We’ll put that on the bill, right next to the >24 BILLION DOLLARS THE GOP PISSED AWAY ON THE SHUTDOWN.

Yeah. Even though it has badly damaged the GOP’s brand and fatally damaged the Tea Party’s, and possibly given the Dems a shot at the House in 2014, I’m not sure it was worth it.

Then again, you know what they say - if you loan a friend $20 let Ted Cruz blow $24 Billion and never see him again, it was probably worth it.

60 jaunte  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:56:18am

A 2008 exchange between GG and Al Giordano of Narco News:

“…All communications between the US and Mexico (and any other US ally) are being vacuumed up already by the Mexican-owned telecom companies and turned over to US agencies, with the full blessing of the Mexican state. The same goes for every other country in the hemisphere save Cuba and maybe Venezuela and/or Bolivia. Nothing illegal about it, because it’s done with the imprimatur of those governments that have jurisdiction.”

narcosphere.narconews.com

61 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:56:37am

re: #53 Ace-o-aces

“God created the Earth and all living creatures upon it and did so in only six days. This is the basis of all my beliefs and actions.”
-Adolf Hitler

“Gravity - how does it fucking work?” - Sir Isaac Newton.

62 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:57:08am
63 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:57:53am

re: #55 lawhawk

My one quibble is that, in order to be wrong AGAIN, there would have to have been a point at which they were NOT wrong, and I’m not sure that happened.

64 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:59:08am

re: #52 Vicious Babushka

That “Journalism” thing that Glenn keeps saying he is doing, how does that work?

The same way magnets do.

Oh, wait…

65 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 10:59:46am

re: #56 Bulworth

Ok, I’ll ask: how exactly should PBO, or any public official, go about reimbursing “the American people” for website repairs?

It doesn’t have to make sense. It just has to get unthinking Teabaggers to grunt approvingly.

66 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:00:35am

re: #56 Bulworth

Ok, I’ll ask: how exactly should PBO, or any public official, go about reimbursing “the American people” for website repairs?

By offering to destroy Obamacare in its entirety and go back to Kenya.

/

67 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:01:23am

re: #56 Bulworth

Ok, I’ll ask: how exactly should PBO, or any public official, go about reimbursing “the American people” for website repairs?

I’ll take my payment in chickens.

68 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:01:42am

Steve, one of these days Jon Stewart is going to make fun of YOU.

69 erik_t  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:01:45am

re: #56 Bulworth

Ok, I’ll ask: how exactly should PBO, or any public official, go about reimbursing “the American people” for website repairs?

The same way the federal government ever makes anything better in any context and in any situation: TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS.

70 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:03:51am

re: #56 Bulworth

Ok, I’ll ask: how exactly should PBO, or any public official, go about reimbursing “the American people” for website repairs?

By raising taxes, of course.
:)

71 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:03:54am

re: #69 erik_t

The same way the federal government ever makes anything better in any context and in any situation: TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS TAXCUTS.

Budget surplus? CUT TAXES!
Budget Deficit? CUT TAXES!
Economy booming? CUT TAXES!
Economy crashing? CUT TAXES!
Burns when you pee? CUT TAXES!
Anal leakage? CUT TAXES!

72 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:03:59am

Which one of these kids is Ted Cruz’s father?

73 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:04:36am

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

Steve, one of these days Jon Stewart is going to make fun of YOU.

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Not like he’s ever mocked the entire GOP for pretty much the same thing…

74 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:04:53am

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

See, its funny because Obama usually has a pretty good grasp of things.

With Stockman, its just a sad reality.

75 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:05:12am

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

Which one of these kids is Ted Cruz’s father?

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What’s Castro doing surrounded by Leprechauns?

76 jaunte  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:05:44am

re: #75 GeneJockey

He’s trying to seize their gold.

77 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:07:13am

Drive-by comment: An interesting & important technical aspect I hadn’t heard of before regarding the problems with the ACA roll-out . There are many more details at the source article, so it’s worth a read.

Obamacare Rollout Hampered By Operating Rules Lag

Government health insurance exchanges — both the state-run ones and the federally operated Healthcare.gov — might have much less trouble sending enrollment data to the health plans if government-mandated operating rules for that electronic transaction, called the 834 transaction, were already in place. But, due to an inexplicable oversight, the 834 operating rules are not scheduled to go into effect until Jan. 1, 2016.

The administrative simplification provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) require the development of standard operating rules to help providers and health plans use the latest HIPAA-mandated electronic transaction set, known as the 5010. […]

So why are these operating rules so important? Why can’t health plans simply receive the enrollment files in the 834 format, as required by law? The main reason, according to experts, is that the insurance carriers use disparate and often out-of-date legacy systems that cannot easily be upgraded to receive these standardized files. Consequently, each health plan has its own variation on the HIPAA transaction set. Middlemen must modify files sent in these formats so that the disparate health plan systems can accommodate them.

On the provider side, these middlemen are mostly claims clearinghouses that have long dealt with the myriad plans. On the employer side, which is where most enrollment data originates, there are other intermediaries such as Edifecs. But Healthcare.gov and the state-run exchanges are trying to send the 834 enrollment files directly to the plans — a key source of the difficulties plans have had in receiving and interpreting this data. […]

78 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:11:34am

re: #36 Ian G.

I really need to create my own fake quote chain-mails.

“The only thing keeping America from greatest is an obsession with low taxes”. - Thomas Jefferson.

Make a graphic with the Fake Quote on it, make sure it gets into Prudence’s time-line and she will reTweet it forever! GOOOOOO VIIIRRRAAAALLLLLLL!!!!!1!!!!!!

79 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:12:05am

Unbelievable that anyone would believe anything Somers would say. As much as I like George Clooney, I wouldn’t take his advice if he told me to throw away my blood pressure medicine for something he concocted, or from someone whose non-scientific BS he was promoting.

Such as she never had plastic surgery, while selling her potions and “Facemaster” exerciser at exorbitant prices. What a whackjob.

Suzanne Somers gets ‘stem-cell facelift’?

inyourface.blog.ocregister.com

We’re not all as afraid of “losing our youth” as you are. I pity you for your attitude, and condemn you for exploiting people’s fears.

80 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:14:08am

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

Make a graphic with the Fake Quote on it, make sure it gets into Prudence’s time-line and she will reTweet it forever! GOOOOOO VIIIRRRAAAALLLLLLL!!!!!1!!!!!!

Weeping Eagle? Stern-faced Uncle Sam? Lever Action Jesus? Dirt-covered soldiers with sad looks?

81 jaunte  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:15:17am

re: #80 GeneJockey

Tricorne-hatted condo board.

82 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:15:42am

re: #79 Justanotherhuman

Such as she never had plastic surgery, while selling her potions and “Facemaster” exerciser at exorbitant prices. What a whackjob.

.

Wait - she hawks both the Buttmaster and the Facemaster? What if you mix them up?

83 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:15:50am

re: #80 GeneJockey

Weeping Eagle? Stern-faced Uncle Sam? Lever Action Jesus? Dirt-covered soldiers with sad looks?

A picture of the person who allegedly said the Fake Quote. That makes it, you know, totally authentic!

GEORGE WASHINGTON KNEW ABOUT OBAMA ALL ALONG!!!1!!! MAKE THIS ONE GO VIRAL MY TWEEEEEEEEEPS!!!!!1!!!!

84 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:16:18am

re: #82 GeneJockey

Wait - she hawks both the Buttmaster and the Facemaster? What if you mix them up?

You look like Glenn Greenwald.

85 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:17:02am

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

A picture of the person who allegedly said the Fake Quote. That makes it, you know, totally authentic!

GEORGE WASHINGTON KNEW ABOUT OBAMA ALL ALONG!!!1!!! MAKE THIS ONE GO VIRAL MY TWEEEEEEEEEPS!!!!!1!!!!

George Washington shaking Ronald Reagan’s hand. That’ll give ‘em a Teagasm!

86 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:17:25am

re: #80 GeneJockey

Weeping Eagle? Stern-faced Uncle Sam? Lever Action Jesus? Dirt-covered soldiers with sad looks?

Colbert riding the eagle

Image: stephen_colbert_atop_an_eagle_by_sharpwriter-d34rsmh.jpg

87 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:17:29am

re: #84 Vicious Babushka

You look like Glenn Greenwald.

Padumpum! *chish!*

88 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:17:35am
89 erik_t  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:17:42am

re: #84 Vicious Babushka

You look like Glenn Greenwald.

No, that’s head up your ass, not face on your ass.

90 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:18:17am
91 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:19:00am

re: #90 Charles Johnson

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Well, it’s not like anything interesting ever happens there, anyway.

92 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:22:42am

re: #91 GeneJockey

Well, it’s not like anything interesting ever happens there, anyway.

So the UN is heaven?

93 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:23:54am

re: #90 Charles Johnson

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God help me, I misread that as “Obamacare orders curbs…”

94 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:26:37am

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

No, the asshole of the day is the WSJ editor who gave her a platform at his/her allegedly reputable paper. I eagerly await Victoria Principal’s take on capital gains taxes in tomorrow’s edition.

Christ, the NY Times rejected Banksy’s op ed blasting the design of the new World Trade Center tower. I’m not saying the Times should have published it, but I’m more interested in hearing what Banksy has to say about architecture than what a C-lister from the 80s has to say about healthcare policy.

95 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:26:46am

re: #92 Kragar

So the UN is heaven?

In Heaven, everything is fine…

96 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:27:42am

re: #89 erik_t

No, that’s head up your ass, not face on your ass.

Although it appears she’s trying to push her ass up to her face in this photo: Image: lh4r7h-lh4r6s100491974.jpg

Not flattering in the least.

97 blueraven  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:27:53am

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

According to the Kaiser calculator, a 56 yo woman in Winterhaven FL making 30K could enroll in a Bronze plan for about $1,164 per year.

Currently she is paying 54 per month for virtually no coverage…no in patient hospitalization coverage at all

Her current health insurance plan, she says, doesn’t cover “extended hospital stays; it’s not designed for that,” says Barrette. Well, does it cover any hospitalization? “Outpatient only,” responds Barrette. Nor does it cover ambulance service and some prenatal care. On the other hand, says Barrette, it does cover “most of my generic drugs that I need” and there’s a $50 co-pay for doctors’ appointments. “It’s all I could afford right now,” says Barrette.
In sum, it’s a pray-that-you-don’t-really-get-sick “plan.”

Yes, her premiums would increase, but no where near 10 fold. A little less than twice what she is paying now for much, much better coverage.

98 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:28:01am

re: #94 Ian G.

Curious to see what Banksy said on the new WTC.

99 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:29:27am

Suzanne Somers should not be expressing an opinion on anything other than what are this season’s hottest new legwarmer colors.

100 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:29:35am

re: #98 ProTARDISLiberal

Here you go.

101 Ming  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:31:21am

I’m old enough to remember when the Wall Street Journal was respectable. Their article by Suzanne Somers is a strange mixture of falsehoods: (1) health-care problems in Canada somehow reflect on the Affordable Care Act, (2) when the ACA is finally implemented, tens of millions of people still won’t be covered (yes, she simply comes out and asserts this), (3) it’s the fault of the ACA that health-care costs have risen in recent years, and (4) somehow, the ACA limits the earning potential of medical doctors.

From reading the Wall Street Journal, you would never know that the ACA is bringing millions of people into the private insurance system, and that it does this by tweaking regulations on insurance (e.g. pre-existing conditions), not on doctors themselves. Anyone who wants to avoid socialized medicine should welcome the ACA’s achieving universal coverage through our current, PRIVATE system.

102 GeneJockey  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:32:13am

re: #97 blueraven

According to the Kaiser calculator, a 56 yo woman in Winterhaven FL making 30K could enroll in a Bronze plan for about $1,164 per year.

Currently she is paying 54 per month for virtually no coverage…no in patient hospitalization coverage at all

Yes, her premiums would increase, but no where near 10 fold. A little less than twice what she is paying now for much, much better coverage.

Jesus - NO inpatient hospitalization coverage? $50 copay for Doctor visits? That’s like having car insurance that will only replace your windshield wipers, with a big copay, in the event of a major collision.

103 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:33:00am

re: #100 Ian G.

I find the new 1 WTC more interesting than the original.

I think the same of the eventually to be built 2 WTC and 3 WTC.

104 allegro  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:35:43am

re: #96 Justanotherhuman

Although it appears she’s trying to push her ass up to her face in this photo: Image: lh4r7h-lh4r6s100491974.jpg

Not flattering in the least.

Whoa she needs to back off on the lip filler injections. She looks like a carp.

105 calochortus  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:36:17am

re: #96 Justanotherhuman

Although it appears she’s trying to push her ass up to her face in this photo: Image: lh4r7h-lh4r6s100491974.jpg

Not flattering in the least.

Eeewwwwww. You should have had a stronger warning than “not flattering”.

106 Ian G.  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:38:26am

re: #103 ProTARDISLiberal

I find the new 1 WTC more interesting than the original.

I think the same of the eventually to be built 2 WTC and 3 WTC.

It is more interesting than the original, but there’s something not right about only one super-tall building in that spot instead of two, IMHO. As for 2 and 3 WTC, I have no idea if/when they’re going to be built. There just isn’t the demand for office space in lower Manhattan right now.

107 ausador  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:39:18am
108 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:55:30am

appears that a Suzanne Somers fan didn’t like this page…

109 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 11:56:44am

re: #106 Ian G.

2 and 3 WTC will each be over 1,000 feet tall when finally built.

2WTC would be 1,270 ft, and third tallest in NYC behind 1WTC and a midtown building that’s currently under construction. With an antenna, it would be taller 1,386 feet, taller than the original WTC sans antenna.

3WTC would be 1,155 ft.

4WTC is 978 feet.

110 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 12:08:18pm

Suzanne Somers writes in WSJ. Dow bumps all-time high. Coincidence? Perhaps.

111 BusyMonster  Wed, Oct 30, 2013 6:47:31am

re: #27 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH

In other words, “we just posted the equivalent of that chain email full of imaginary Hitler quotes your aunt keeps sending you to prove Obama hates America.”

That sums up the intellectual heft and tenor of just about every right-wing publication and bogus news organization in America. They are nothing more than the point of origin for a bunch of cheesy chain mails that you can safely ignore if you’re not an imbecile.


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