Virginia Polling Shows the Continuing Implosion of the GOP Brand

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If you’re a member of the GOP establishment who wants to see Republicans win elections, the latest poll results from Virginia have to be your second worst nightmare: The Implosion of the GOP Brand, in One More Chart.

The interactive chart shows that the national GOP’s unfavorable rating in Virginia has spiked to 87 percent among nonwhite likely voters. It’s at 69 percent among women voters. And it’s at 69 percent among white college graduate voters — a number that is likely higher among college educated white women. White college grads — particularly women — are an increasingly important constituency to Democrats, and their preferences could have major implications for the GOP’s ability to win elections in the future with an overreliance on white voters.

And it is at 69 percent among independents. All of this mirrors another chart I posted last week that showed the GOP brand collapsing among key voter groups nationally.

Multiple observers — see Mark Murray and Taegan Goddard for examples — argue Virginia is increasingly resembling the country as a whole.

Why do I say it’s the GOP establishment’s second worst nightmare? Because their worst nightmare is the Tea Party base, who couldn’t care less about polls like this and are going to keep demanding still more far right ideological purity from Republican candidates.

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195 comments

1 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:10:47pm

DAMN YOU COOCH! IF ONLY YOU WERE MORE CONSERVATIVE!
/

2 erik_t  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:12:35pm

I like the idea of some GOP operatives looking back on the Michael Steele era with wistful longing.

Chuckle with me about that one.

3 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:13:15pm

re: #1 Kragar

DAMN YOU COOCH! IF ONLY YOU WERE MORE CONSERVATIVE!
/

they are already peddling that line, heard it the other day.

4 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:14:32pm

Well ya do know they can’t see outside of their bubble good enough to see that poll, so all’s is well in ther rightwing world as far as they’re concerned.

5 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:15:40pm

Tea Party Leader: Ultraconservative Ken Cuccinelli Is Not Conservative Enough

Larry Nordvig, Executive Director of the Richmond Tea Party, told Breitbart News last month that “conservatives are highly concerned about Obamacare, immigration, and moral decline, and are looking for reassurance and leadership in those areas. Attorney General Cuccinelli has not taken a hard stand on those issues. The net effect is that he’s not exciting his base, which dampens campaign volunteer activism.”

But for Nordvig when he spoke with Breitbart in September, “re-engaging his base” was “even more critical for Attorney General Cuccinelli.”

“Cuccinelli is not going to win the money race,” Nordvig said. “That means he will stand, or fall, based on grassroots support. He has got to start reassuring conservatives that he will fight for their deepest-held beliefs. Oh, and it wouldn’t hurt to court the Tea Party a little more,” Nordvig added. “We’re the major component of the grassroots support he needs to win.”

6 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:16:18pm
7 kerFuFFler  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:16:41pm

re: #4 Tigger2

Well ya do know they can’t see outside of their bubble good enough to see that poll, so all’s is well in ther rightwing world as far as they’re concerned.

Either that or the poll was skewed again.//

8 piratedan  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:18:10pm

and I will stand by in vigilance while these fuckers burn their house down with themselves inside.

What sucks, is that while I don’t like Republicans and the policies that they currently embrace, we need opposition voices in government, we need oversight, and we need people that want to serve who believe in concept of government. Cripes if these nihilistic fuckers don’t want to participate, buy a compound in Idaho and pay your taxes and we’ll leave you alone, just have the courtesy to keep from pissing on the rest of us.

9 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:19:14pm

PRUDENCE SAYS SEND MONEY 2 COOCH!
McAuliffe wins in a landslide: PRICELESS

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:19:52pm

What? No bar graph for “old white farts men”?

11 piratedan  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:21:19pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

What? No bar graph for “old white farts men”?

they were at the “bar” and couldn’t be reached for comment because they were busy creatin’ jobz! ///

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:21:46pm

re: #5 Kragar

Tea Party Leader: Ultraconservative Ken Cuccinelli Is Not Conservative Enough

“Cuccinelli is not going to win the money race,” Nordvig said. “That means he will stand, or fall, based on grassroots support. He has got to start reassuring conservatives that he will fight for their deepest-held beliefs. Oh, and it wouldn’t hurt to court the Tea Party a little more,” Nordvig added. “We’re the major component of the grassroots support he needs to win.”

Too bad for Cooch that the grassroots in VA is crabgrass.

13 RadicalModerate  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:22:06pm

As the far right (which is now the core constituency of the Republican Party) becomes more marginalized, the membership has increasingly become more radical in both their rhetoric and actions.

Whats worse is that talk of things like secession and the violent overthrow of the government has become so commonplace, that the psyche of mainstream America (both media and general population) has been dulled to the ravings and basically ignore it now.

14 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:23:18pm

re: #5 Kragar

Tea Party Leader: Ultraconservative Ken Cuccinelli Is Not Conservative Enough

He hasn’t taken a hard enough stand with Obamacare? What planet is this guy on?

Cuccinelli was among the AGs who sued to block Obamacare implementation and then watched as the Supreme Court upheld the individual mandate, and created a whole world of crazy with striking down the part dealing with Medicaid expansion (screwing those in the states that refused to expand the coverage in the process).

15 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:24:14pm

re: #2 erik_t

I like the idea of some GOP operatives looking back on the Michael Steele era with wistful longing.

Chuckle with me about that one.

Steele oversaw a wave election that allowed the GOP to retake the House and shave down the Dem Senate majority.

His reward? To be tossed out on his ass for being seen as insufficiently dedicated to the cause.

16 erik_t  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:24:24pm

re: #13 RadicalModerate

As the far right (which is now the core constituency of the Republican Party) becomes more marginalized, the membership has increasingly become more radical in both their rhetoric and actions.

They also seem to have become less and less aware of just how marginalized they are, and how far out of step they are with the rest of the country.

I mean, they really don’t even have a clue. Cooch the RINO? What in the actual undead fuck?

17 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:24:29pm

The entire hearing has been about the massive oversight and safeguards. This guy is out of his freaking mind. No wonder Greenwald likes him.

18 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:24:44pm

if 99% of eligible voters voted in every election, the gop would be a powerless minority party nationally

19 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:26:05pm

re: #18 dog philosopher

if 99% of eligible voters voted in every election, the gop would be a powerless minority party nationally

Which is why gerrymandering and voter suppression is the business plan.

20 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:27:19pm

re: #18 dog philosopher

Doubt it. Some folks would vote GOP regardless. Others Democrats. Still others would vote DudeBros or Green or TP or LolWut or whatever you can dream up.

But it is telling that the GOP needs to lie and obfuscate about the health care law to get people to buy into their view. And that’s not when they’re trying to depress voter turnout or gerrymandering to hold on to the districts they’re in.

21 RadicalModerate  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:29:19pm

re: #18 dog philosopher

if 99% of eligible voters voted in every election, the gop would be a powerless minority party nationally

It’s closer to 70% now.

Which is why Republicans are so gung-ho on voter suppression and disenfrancishement efforts, including overturning the Voting Rights Act.

22 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:30:02pm

re: #18 dog philosopher

if 99% of eligible voters voted in every election, the gop would be a powerless minority party nationally

If there were ever 99% - hell, even 75% - voter turnout, the GOP would be little more than a tiny minority party at the national level. Granted, they’d still have their strongholds, but high voter turnout is their worst nightmare.

23 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:30:06pm

Republicans are bombing in the polls because they are not conservative enough!!

24 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:31:33pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

Republicans are bombing in the polls because they are not conservative enough!!

You say that in jest, but that’s very likely what many on the GOP side are thinking. I’m sure they’re searching around for an Attila the Hun somewhere.

25 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:33:02pm

OT: I’ve mentioned him before, but if you’ve never seen the stand up of Russell Peters, I highly recommend him. There’s a full length video of his on Netflix streaming right now plus there are tons of clips of him on Youtube.

26 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:34:07pm

re: #24 Dr Lizardo

You say that in jest, but that’s very likely what many on the GOP side are thinking. I’m sure they’re searching around for an Attila the Hun somewhere.

I’m no expert political strategist, but it’s so painfully obvious why the GOP is imploding and yet people who make way, way more money than I do seem to be completely oblivious to reality.

27 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:35:06pm

Wouldn’t be like this if Virgina was a Suthrn’ state with real Americans.

28 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:35:26pm

Cruz To Join Christian Nation Activists In South Carolina

Ted Cruz and Tim Scott will be joining Religious Right leaders in South Carolina, an early primary state, in the beginning of November for a Renewal Project conference organized by David Lane.

Lane believes that the US may soon face car bombings as a form of divine retribution over gay rights and legal abortion, and believes that his Renewal Projects can activate enough pastors and conservative voters to save America.

Wayne Slater of the Dallas Morning News reports that Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) will be attending as well. It is a tad ironic that Lee, a Mormon, would be addressing a summit hosted by Lane, who promoted attacks against “the false god of Mormonism” during the last primary campaign against Mitt Romney. But Lane’s push to move the GOP towards embracing the Religious Right’s agenda has made him a weighty figure, as over the summer Republican leaders including Cruz, Rand Paul and Reince Priebus attended his Iowa summit.

Please proceed.

29 erik_t  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:36:23pm

re: #28 Kragar

What, exactly, about car bombings is “divine”?

These people are not right in the head.

30 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:36:23pm

Repost from the last thread,

Awesome 12 yr old takes on the NC Gov and the restrictive voting laws they passed.
This little girl could be a NC Gov in the making.

Youtube Video

31 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:38:15pm

re: #29 erik_t

What, exactly, about car bombings is “divine”?

These people are not right in the head.

Well, the only reason a bomb could go off in the United States would be if the magical force field God placed around the country goes down. The only reason the force field would go down is because GAY!

32 geoffm33  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:38:43pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

OT: I’ve mentioned him before, but if you’ve never seen the stand up of Russell Peters, I highly recommend him. There’s a full length video of his on Netflix streaming right now plus there are tons of clips of him on Youtube.

I saw him live last winter he was a riot!

33 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:39:27pm

I think the answer’s obvious. Those on the right of each column hate the GOP, so the GOP needs to move further to the right.

34 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:40:09pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m no expert political strategist, but it’s so painfully obvious why the GOP is imploding and yet people who make way, way more money than I do seem to be completely oblivious to reality.

I’m not a political strategist either, but it is glaringly obvious that the further the GOP tacks to the right, the more they lose. Combine that with the Tea Partiers fanatical obsession with ideological purity, and the dismal future of the GOP looks pretty clear.

35 erik_t  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:41:10pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m no expert political strategist, but it’s so painfully obvious why the GOP is imploding and yet people who make way, way more money than I do seem to be completely oblivious to reality.

Oh, I see it in (eg) John McCain’s face.

They just have no idea what to do about it. It’s funny, because they caused this. To hell with them.

36 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:43:12pm

re: #30 Tigger2

Repost from the last thread,

Awesome 12 yr old takes on the NC Gov and the restive voting laws they passed.
This little girl could be a NC Gov in the making.

[Embedded content]


“I’m not a prop, I’m a Suffragette”.

37 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:43:52pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb


“I’m not a prop, I’m a Suffragette”.

I agree I like the hat too. lol

39 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:45:41pm

Hey all! I seriously need some computer guru help.

I clicked on LGF and got all the stupid add pop-ups and something weird happened. The page went full screen. My menu bar and page tabs are gone.

I never use the keyboard commands (never learned them for mac).

Does any one know the keyboard command to return the page to normal?

thank!

40 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:46:24pm

re: #30 Tigger2

Repost from the last thread,

Awesome 12 yr old takes on the NC Gov and the restrictive voting laws they passed.
This little girl could be a NC Gov in the making.

[Embedded content]

Liberal indoctrination!!

41 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:47:07pm

re: #38 darthstar

Retweet

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:48:15pm

re: #29 erik_t

What, exactly, about car bombings is “divine”?

These people are not right in the head.

It’s like they aren’t trying anymore to hide how similar they are to the Taliban.

43 Lidane  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:48:17pm

re: #34 Dr Lizardo

I’m not a political strategist either, but it is glaringly obvious that the further the GOP tacks to the right, the more they lose. Combine that with the Tea Partiers fanatical obsession with ideological purity, and the dismal future of the GOP looks pretty clear.

Throw in the inevitable demographic trends in this country and the GOP has two choices: join the rest of us in acknowledging every bit of social, scientific, and political progress we’ve made since Gutenberg invented moveable type or just go all the way and become a white supremacist fascist party.

44 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:48:53pm

re: #34 Dr Lizardo

I’m not a political strategist either, but it is glaringly obvious that the further the GOP tacks to the right, the more they lose. Combine that with the Tea Partiers fanatical obsession with ideological purity, and the dismal future of the GOP looks pretty clear.

The current GOP, IMHO, are religious zealots. They will not quit or change until they are defeated by time.

They have embraced a myth of America’s “purpose” and will not let it go.

45 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:49:11pm

re: #28 Kragar

Lane believes that the US may soon face car bombings as a form of divine retribution over gay rights and legal abortion, and believes that his Renewal Projects can activate enough pastors and conservative voters to save America.

The Shariah Laws are going to car-bomb us because of teh gay and abortion? ///

46 Flying Squirrel Girl  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:49:16pm

re: #2 erik_t

You mean the Michael Steele that actually helped the GOP win elections? Nah. Reince might not be helpful in that area, but his skin IS the proper hue. Impolite? You betcha. True? You betcha.

47 bubba zanetti  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:49:30pm

re: #39 FemNaziBitch

Chrome or Firefox? ⌘-Shift-F

48 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:50:02pm

re: #39 FemNaziBitch

Hey all! I seriously need some computer guru help.

I clicked on LGF and got all the stupid add pop-ups and something weird happened. The page went full screen. My menu bar and page tabs are gone.

I never use the keyboard commands (never learned them for mac).

Does any one know the keyboard command to return the page to normal?

thank!

Try the “Esc” key. Sometimes that works.

49 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:50:07pm

re: #47 bubba zanetti

Chrome or Firefox? ⌘-Shift-F

Chrome and you are a MacGod to me now.

Thank you!

50 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:50:37pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

Try the “Esc” key. Sometimes that works.

THat I did try. It got rid of the mackeeper ad, but that was all.

I wish I had the funds to support Charles and get rid of the ads, but right now, I don’t.

51 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:53:47pm

re: #37 Tigger2

I agree I like the hat too. lol

She’s great, but she shouldn’t become like that Krohn kid at an old CPAC. He turned on the RW bigtime a year or so ago.

52 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:54:19pm

I watched the Charles Krauthammer bio on Fox last weekend. A good show, actually. Anyway, Charles said that Obama wants to bring the most sweeping changes to the government since FDR.

Being a small government advocate, this is anathema to Krauthammer.

AS smart as he is, I had to shake my head. Obama was elected to do just that. The majority of American’s want sweeping changes.

I feel like there is this core group of conservatives who just can’t see that we are living in 2013. It’s like the rest of us are waiting for 3-D printers to become mainstream, and they are bitching because they can’t find new ribbons for their typewriters.

53 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:56:40pm

re: #43 Lidane

Throw in the inevitable demographic trends in this country and the GOP has two choices: join the rest of us in acknowledging every bit of social, scientific, and political progress we’ve made since Gutenberg invented moveable type or just go all the way and become a white supremacist fascist party.

I can see that happening, actually.

54 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:57:21pm

re: #44 FemNaziBitch

The current GOP, IMHO, are religious zealots. They will not quit or change until they are defeated by time.

They have embraced a myth of America’s “purpose” and will not let it go.

Yep. Ultimately, time and demographics will prove to be their undoing.

55 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:59:32pm


Well, tell God to take that shit back.

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:59:51pm

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

I can see that happening, actually.

Looks like it’s already happening…

57 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:01:18pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like it’s already happening…

It is. I figure that by either 2016 - or maybe 2020 - the GOP will likely become a white nationalist party.

58 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:01:46pm

re: #55 Kragar

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Well, tell God to take that shit back.

I see God has a sense of humor.

59 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:02:50pm

re: #55 Kragar

[Embedded content]


Well, tell God to take that shit back.

60 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:04:33pm

E.W. Jackson: God Created The Tea Party

Yeah, he also created genital warts, syphilis and leprosy.

Please proceed.

61 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:05:28pm

re: #52 FemNaziBitch

So Fox runs tv shows about its own people. Media, especially conservative media, loves to talk about itself.

62 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:06:00pm

re: #57 Dr Lizardo

It is. I figure that by either 2016 - or maybe 2020 - the GOP will likely become a white nationalist party.

well ted cruz and his buddies declared quite openly after the gummint shutdown that they are bound and determined to take over the gop, so the civil war is now declared and out in the open

Senate Conservatives Action Goes On The Air Against Mitch McConnell

i figure 27% baggers 21% wall st republicans 40% regular democrats and 12% firebagger

what the bag party does with the gop once it captures it is anybody’s guess

63 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:07:00pm

re: #60 Kragar

E.W. Jackson: God Created The Tea Party

any christian theology declares that god created every thing, including the debill

64 Kragar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:07:22pm

E.W. Jackson: God Created The Tea Party

I guess the whole rain of blood and toads, boils and death of the first born was a bit old school. About time he changed things up.

65 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:10:37pm

I tend to think Jesus would feel the same way about the Tea Party as he did about the money changers in the temple.

66 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:10:45pm

Greenwald still trying to pretend that Boundless Informant document proves he was right.

67 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:12:36pm

dear teabaggers

you represent no more than 30% of the american electorate. if you succeed in your plan of taking over the gop - and i sincerely wish you great success with this undertaking! - i predict 15 - 20% of the electorate will switch from republican to democrat

68 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:13:19pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Greenwald still trying to pretend that Boundless Informant document proves he was right.

Well, duh. He’s been delusional about the whole thing since day one.

69 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:16:29pm

re: #61 Bulworth

So Fox runs tv shows about its own people. Media, especially conservative media, loves to talk about itself.

Krauthammer’s life is worth a biopic. I was glad to see it. I really didn’t know his history. A lot was explained.

70 kerFuFFler  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:16:31pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

She’s great, but she shouldn’t become like that Krohn kid at an old CPAC. He turned on the RW bigtime a year or so ago.

Fortunately I don’t think there is much chance of that. She has a sense of humor and seems to actually grasp the absurdity of many GOP explanations. Krohn was basically spouting talking points and acknowledges now that he obviously had no idea what he was talking about.

71 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:21:51pm

Vicious Babushka, was this your undoing?

The New Browns Facility’s Walls Are Full Of Fake Quotes

72 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:24:30pm

re: #71 Dr. Matt

Vicious Babushka, was this your undoing?

She’s … She’s twitching in her chair. What did you DO to her.

73 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:24:35pm

This is sort of sad…


Froomkin from HuffPo (& at one time, WAPO) and Segura from The Nation (and occasionally guests on MSNBC).

74 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:24:46pm
A.Word.A.Day
with Anu Garg

smellfungus

PRONUNCIATION:
(smel-FUNG-uhs)

MEANING:
noun: A habitual faultfinder or complainer.

ETYMOLOGY:
After Smelfungus, a hypercritical character in Laurence Sterne’s 1768 novel, A Sentimental Journey through France and Italy. Earliest documented use: 1807.

NOTES:
Novelist Laurence Sterne modeled his character Smelfungus after traveler and author Tobias Smollett who complained about almost everything in his 1766 travel book Travels through France and Italy. Here’s how Sterne describes Smelfungus:
“The learned Smelfungus travelled from Boulogne to Paris, from Paris to Rome, and so on; but he set out with the spleen and jaundice, and every object he pass’d by was discoloured or distorted. He wrote an account of them, but ‘twas nothing but the account of his miserable feelings.”

USAGE:
“And a couple of smellfungus from the Official Paper … carped that Issel chose to jump when the schedule reached its toughest stretch.”
Paige Woody; Issel is the Wrong Scapegoat in Nuggets’ Mess; Denver Post; Feb 13, 1995.

75 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:28:15pm
76 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:28:31pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Greenwald still trying to pretend that Boundless Informant document proves he was right.

[Embedded content]

[Dudebro]FUCK YOU I AM A JOURNALIST DOING JOURNALISM!!!!11!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SOME NOBODY DROOLING OBAMABOT!!!!!11!!! GET OFF MY TWITTER TIME LINE!!!!!!!1111[/Dudebro]

77 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:29:45pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

Republicans are bombing in the polls because they AMERICANS are not conservative enough!!

78 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:29:55pm
And Vatican City, the seat of the pope, does not allow women to vote. The Vatican is on par with Saudi Arabia in this category.

not Paged.

79 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:30:01pm

re: #73 Justanotherhuman

This is sort of sad…

[Embedded content]


Froomkin from HuffPo (& at one time, WAPO) and Segura from The Nation (and occasionally guests on MSNBC).

“The Omidyar Group” - they didn’t call it Glenns Goonsquad?

80 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:31:07pm

re: #77 Sol Berdinowitz

Republicans are bombing in the polls because they AMERICANS are not conservative enough!!

The GOP needs to unskew the polls!

81 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:31:37pm

Meanwhile, one more reason why I won’t visit China.

Well, this is horrifying. Street vendors in China have taken to using something called “gutter oil”—quite literally the oil gathered from gutter runoff, dumpster sludge, garbage juice, and untreated fucking sewage fuck fuck fuck—to cook food for human consumption. And then unwitting humans are consuming that food. As you might guess, not everyone’s happy about that.

This paragraph is gonna be really gross. So, evidently, the way it works is, gutter-oil-makers root around in dumpsters, trashcans, sewers oh God sewers, and (of course) gutters, looking for used oil or discarded food or solid waste or dead fucking animals, and then they process that putrid crud (this probably entails heating it to render any fats into oil, then straining out the solids) and sell the resulting distillation of pure horror as a cooking agent. Then street vendors use it to cook what is presumably already F-grade meat. Then people purchase and eat the “food” cooked in this effluvium of evil. Then you read about it on the internet and become a raw-food evangelist.

82 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:32:39pm

re: #73 Justanotherhuman

What team would that be?

83 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:33:44pm

re: #73 Justanotherhuman

This is sort of sad…

[Embedded content]


Froomkin from HuffPo (& at one time, WAPO) and Segura from The Nation (and occasionally guests on MSNBC).

Not too heartbroken. This startup will attract birds of a feather, and they’ll all tank together when their sponsor flies off to fund a sea-steading venture.

84 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:34:07pm

re: #80 Dr. Matt

The GOP needs to unskew the polls!

They’ve already gerrymandered most of the country, what else do they want?

85 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:34:45pm

re: #81 ProTARDISLiberal

Meanwhile, one more reason why I won’t visit China..

I have had 3 opportunities to travel to China, on someone’s elses dime, and have passed on them every time for this exact reason. I am a closet germaphobe and this video validates my unfortunate fears.

86 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:42:07pm

re: #81 ProTARDISLiberal

Meanwhile, one more reason why I won’t visit China.

The Free Market will sort that all out…

87 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:43:38pm

re: #81 ProTARDISLiberal

Meanwhile, one more reason why I won’t visit China.

Well, little chance of me ever going to China, anyway. But for the poor schlubs eating from those “food” carts, at least the authorities are doing a little bit of work trying to stop it.

“Chinese authorities busted a black-market gutter-oil operation back in April, seizing 3,200 tons of gutter oil which had been rendered from rotten animal carcasses. By the time of the sting, the operation had already sold an estimated $1.6 million in carcass-juice. To food vendors. For cooking food in it.”

When I lived in San Diego back in the early 1960s, they always told us not to eat from the street vendors in Tijuana if we went there—the tacos were made from dog meat.

88 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:45:32pm

re: #81 ProTARDISLiberal

Meanwhile, one more reason why I won’t visit China.

Heh. My brother is there right now.

He sent this.

89 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:47:42pm

re: #81 ProTARDISLiberal

Meanwhile, one more reason why I won’t

tastes just like chicken just like chicken

90 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:49:43pm

Arrgghh!

GG on Anderson Cooper at 8 tonight “talking about all the various NSA matters & controversies from this week”.

What controversies, GG? The ones you and Snowden contrived?

91 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:49:54pm

re: #87 Justanotherhuman

When I lived in San Diego back in the early 1960s, they always told us not to eat from the street vendors in Tijuana if we went there—the tacos were made from dog meat.

I ate from free-range food carts all over Mexico. Also, Greece and Turkey. Never got sick from them.

There was a biologist on the month-long trip to Mexico I made. He knew too much. Wouldn’t use a glass, wouldn’t use ice, wouldn’t eat any fruit or veg that couldn’t be peeled. He got sicker than anyone.

92 Mike Lamb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:50:21pm

re: #86 Sol Berdinowitz

The Free Market will sort that all out…

According to someone like Rand Paul, those people frying food in feces would eventually be forced out of the market by people refusing to patronize their food cart. Of course, the cost to society until such time as the feces fryers are out of business would be pretty high. But, eggs, omelettes, etc.

93 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:51:36pm

Poop fried Freedom Fries….tastes like liberty.

94 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:53:07pm
95 Dr. Matt  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:55:24pm
96 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:55:26pm

re: #87 Justanotherhuman

Well, little chance of me ever going to China, anyway. But for the poor schlubs eating from those “food” carts, at least the authorities are doing a little bit of work trying to stop it.

“Chinese authorities busted a black-market gutter-oil operation back in April, seizing 3,200 tons of gutter oil which had been rendered from rotten animal carcasses. By the time of the sting, the operation had already sold an estimated $1.6 million in carcass-juice. To food vendors. For cooking food in it.”

When I lived in San Diego back in the early 1960s, they always told us not to eat from the street vendors in Tijuana if we went there—the tacos were made from dog meat.

When my ex-wife and I were visiting L.A., she flatly refused to eat anything from the Tamaleman, or any other of the ubiquitous food carts in Los Angeles. She was a big-time germaphobe.

97 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:56:16pm

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

Walter White wore a porkppie?

pres lives!

98 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:56:37pm

I must be a germophile.

99 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 2:57:51pm
100 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:00:13pm
101 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:03:20pm

re: #100 FemNaziBitch

WHAT? I haven’t heard about this.

what part? In her ghost-written book, Palin bragged about how her parents snuck into Canada for free healthcare. She even mentioned it in a speech she made in Canada!

102 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:05:08pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

what part? In her ghost-written book, Palin bragged about how her parents snuck into Canada for free healthcare. She even mentioned it in a speech she made in Canada!

Sounds like something the GOP would label as “mooching”.
//

103 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:06:37pm
104 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:08:04pm
Imagine confiding in the people you trust most in the world only to be rejected and tossed out on the street with no place to go. -

See more at: fortytonone.org

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105 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:09:12pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

what part? In her ghost-written book, Palin bragged about how her parents snuck into Canada for free healthcare. She even mentioned it in a speech she made in Canada!

THat explains it. I’ve never read a book paid to be written by her.

106 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:09:30pm

re: #102 Feline Fearless Leader

Sounds like something the GOP would label as “mooching”.
//

Mooching is like spying: it does not count when we do it to foreign nations.

107 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:11:38pm
108 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:13:14pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

When Glenn Greenwald asserts something, it’s completely and utterly wrong.

109 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:14:53pm

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

Planning a Doctor Who 50th Watch Party.

May have to consider wearing something that will enable me to wear a Bowler Hat or a Derby.

Like in The Crimson Horror.

110 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:15:37pm
111 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:15:45pm

re: #91 wrenchwench

I ate from free-range food carts all over Mexico. Also, Greece and Turkey. Never got sick from them.

There was a biologist on the month-long trip to Mexico I made. He knew too much. Wouldn’t use a glass, wouldn’t use ice, wouldn’t eat any fruit or veg that couldn’t be peeled. He got sicker than anyone.

Were you ever in Tijuana in 1961? I went once or twice—it was a pretty dirty place then, an awful lot of poverty.

112 jaunte  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:16:22pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

Solipsist-journalist: “Who needs confirmation?”

113 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:16:38pm
114 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:17:24pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

[dudebro]But Charles, Teh Russians can do no wrong! They’re the Bestest Nation On Earth (tm)! They have more freedom than the US!!!1!11[/dudebro]

115 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:18:05pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

1.3 Million Young Americans Can Buy ACA Insurance For $50 Per Month

When I was in my 20’s, back in the USA in the 1980’s, I had an insurance plan for $50 per month, with a $5,000 deductible: basically just bankruptcy insurance in the event I was hit by a truck.

116 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:20:56pm
117 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:21:28pm

re: #114 thedopefishlives

[dudebro]But Charles, Teh Russians can do no wrong! They’re the Bestest Nation On Earth (tm)! They have more freedom than the US!!!1!11[/dudebro]

They even have the freedom to discriminate damn blasphemers!

118 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:21:39pm

Michele Bachmann, the oh-so-christian bullshit artist, saying the bible says if you don’t work, you don’t eat.

Well, slaves worked far more than she ever thought of working and they often didn’t eat.

Stop talking about something you don’t understand, Michele, sweetie…you moocher.

119 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:21:45pm

re: #117 FemNaziBitch

They even have the freedom to discriminate damn blasphemers!

Pussy Riot was unavailable for comment.

120 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:22:00pm

re: #111 Justanotherhuman

Were you ever in Tijuana in 1961? I went once or twice—it was a pretty dirty place then, an awful lot of poverty.

I think the first time I was in Tijuana would have been around 1965 or so, then every couple of years until the late 70’s. My month-long trip was in ‘78 I think. I left southern California in 1981. Now when I go, it’s a village across the border from NM. It’s really poor. And had drug cartel activity for a few years that almost killed its tourism, including the medical/dental tourism. It has nothing else.

121 klys  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:22:33pm

re: #115 Sol Berdinowitz

When I was in my 20’s, back in the USA in the 1980’s, I had an insurance plan for $50 per month, with a $5,000 deductible: basically just bankruptcy insurance in the event I was hit by a truck.

Because of changes in how my grad school offered student health insurance, I had to decline to sign up for their plan so that we weren’t double-paying once I got married (and therefore got access to a much better plan).

For three months in 2010, I paid $50 a month for pretty much the same thing.

122 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:22:52pm

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

Michele Bachmann, the oh-so-christian bullshit artist, saying the bible says if you don’t work, you don’t eat.

And if you do work full-time for Wal-Mart and still can’t afford to feed your family, then you should just get another job.

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:30:05pm

theoatmeal.com

Mandatory daily cat content. A PSA from your Feline Overlords.

124 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:30:24pm

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

Michele Bachmann, the oh-so-christian bullshit artist, saying the bible says if you don’t work, you don’t eat.

Well, slaves worked far more than she ever thought of working and they often didn’t eat.

Stop talking about something you don’t understand, Michele, sweetie…you moocher.

Michelle Bachmann is a brain-washed dronetool.

125 Weet  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:30:29pm

Good news on healthcare rates:

“The bids submitted by insurers provide clear evidence that the Marketplace is encouraging plans to compete for consumers, resulting in more affordable rates,” Sebelius said. Not only did the initial premiums in the marketplace beat expectations, she says, but some insurers have lowered their rates even further.

“In Oregon, two plans requested to lower their rates by 15 percent or more,” she says. “New York State has said, on average, the approved 2014 rates for even the highest coverage levels of plans individual consumers can purchase through its Marketplace (gold and platinum) represent a 53 percent reduction compared to last year’s direct-pay individual market rates.”
Link

126 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:31:53pm

re: #122 Sol Berdinowitz

And if you do work full-time for Wal-Mart and still can’t afford to feed your family, then you should just get another job.

Well, you could always follow Michele’s example and get paid state loot for teenaged “foster” kids who probably do all your housework, babysitting, yardwork and laundry, and collect Fed money for not being a farmer. Plus, have a husband who collects plenty of Medicaid $$$, no doubt, for his pray away the gay “therapy”.

127 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:32:29pm

re: #87 Justanotherhuman

Well, little chance of me ever going to China, anyway. But for the poor schlubs eating from those “food” carts, at least the authorities are doing a little bit of work trying to stop it.

“Chinese authorities busted a black-market gutter-oil operation back in April, seizing 3,200 tons of gutter oil which had been rendered from rotten animal carcasses. By the time of the sting, the operation had already sold an estimated $1.6 million in carcass-juice. To food vendors. For cooking food in it.”

When I lived in San Diego back in the early 1960s, they always told us not to eat from the street vendors in Tijuana if we went there—the tacos were made from dog meat.

When we got to Seoul in the early 80s, the Preventive Medicine folks gave us tons of policy on surviving the local biome. We tried once to do what they recommended to strawberries—they turned to chlorinated strawberry jam. After months in-country we found out that our ravenous 12 and 14 yr olds were browsing every street fry-stand between the on-post school and our apartment.

128 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:33:32pm

re: #126 Justanotherhuman

Well, you could always follow Michele’s example and get paid state loot for teenaged “foster” kids who probably do all your housework, babysitting, yardwork and laundry, and collect Fed money for not being a farmer. Plus, have a husband who collects plenty of Medicaid $$$, no doubt, for his pray away the gay “therapy”.

Don’t forget to get a government job just before you get pregnant, so you can enjoy paid maternity time-off. Then do it 5 more times before you decide you want another job.

Also, be sure your husband’s business is eligible for government subsidies too!

129 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:35:29pm

re: #127 Decatur Deb

When we got to Seoul in the early 80s, the Preventive Medicine folks gave us tons of policy on surviving the local biome. We tried once to do what they recommended to strawberrie—they turned to chlorinated strawberry jam. After months in-country we found out that our ravenous 12 and 14 yr olds were browsing every street fry-stand between the on-post school and our apartment.

Well, I suppose that once you got over the trots from the change in food, your stomach would adjust to the local fare? I can see if you bought fresh stuff and washed it well, you might be okay if everything was cooked thoroughly.

130 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:37:40pm

re: #28 Kragar

“Lane believes that the US may soon face car bombings as a form of divine retribution over gay rights and legal abortion, and believes that his Renewal Projects can activate enough pastors and conservative voters to save America.”

??? Not computing that. Car bombings from God? How come European countries and Canada have gay rights and legal abortion but don’t face car bombings as a form of divine retribution?

131 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:38:46pm

re: #129 Justanotherhuman

Well, I suppose that once you got over the trots from the change in food, your stomach would adjust to the local fare? I can see if you bought fresh stuff and washed it well, you might be okay if everything was cooked thoroughly.

We got over our newbie fears as we developed the same immunities 8 million Seoul citizens carried. In assignments all over the world I only once got Ataturk’s Revenge. It cost me a free hop on a UH-1 making a milk run to Ephesus.

132 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:40:26pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m no expert political strategist, but it’s so painfully obvious why the GOP is imploding and yet people who make way, way more money than I do seem to be completely oblivious to reality.

It is difficult to get a person to believe something when their salary is dependent on them not believing it.

133 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:41:38pm

re: #67 dog philosopher

dear teabaggers

you represent no more than 30% of the american electorate. if you succeed in your plan of taking over the gop - and i sincerely wish you great success with this undertaking! - i predict 15 - 20% of the electorate will switch from republican to democrat

Switch to Dem or not vote at all.

134 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:43:14pm

re: #28 Kragar

Lane believes that the US may soon face car bombings as a form of divine retribution over gay rights and legal abortion, and believes that his Renewal Projects can activate enough pastors and conservative voters to save America.

It won’t be divine retribution but Lane’s fellow travellers realizing they can’t win with non-violent means and so have opted to go the terrorist route.

It worked before.

135 psddluva4evah  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:45:24pm

ok, this pic deserves a caption contest:

136 psddluva4evah  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:46:00pm

here’s another one:

137 psddluva4evah  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:47:30pm

And another:

138 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:53:15pm

This chair is reserved for Clint Eastwood.

139 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:54:30pm

re: #138 Vicious Babushka

This chair is reserved for Clint Eastwood.

Funny…I just tweeted that to one of the pics.

140 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:56:35pm

No, John, you don’t look any less dumb without the spray tan.

141 No Country For Old Haters  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 3:59:22pm

re: #109 ProTARDISLiberal

Planning a Doctor Who 50th Watch Party.

May have to consider wearing something that will enable me to wear a Bowler Hat or a Derby.

Like in The Crimson Horror.

I ordered my tickets to see the 50th in the theater yesterday. I’m lucky to have a showing very close to home.

142 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:00:50pm

Oh, for fuck’s sake…

143 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:01:39pm

re: #141 No Country For Old Haters

I have weird hours for the 1st month during training.

So, I can’t see the Doctor Who 3D available on the 25th.

But, I do plan on showing the 50th to the MSA.

144 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:02:37pm

bbl

145 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:03:14pm

re: #142 darthstar

Oh, for fuck’s sake…

He’s free to come back whenever he wants. Putin’s Russia would never dare to hold him against his will, after all, they’re the most free country in the world.

146 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:03:15pm

re: #144 FemNaziBitch

bbl

You prefer to donate to Snowden in private?

147 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:03:33pm

re: #146 darthstar

You prefer to donate to Snowden in private?

SARC, SARC, SARC!!!

148 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:05:43pm

re: #137 psddluva4evah

And another:

[Embedded content]

I hate that my nose always runs when I cry.

149 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:11:10pm

re: #142 darthstar

Oh, for fuck’s sake…

[Embedded content]

Haha, 68% say no, Snowden is a traitor.

Scary that 32% say yes. I suppose, along with the consistent third that either votes for the ‘baggers or libertarian dudebros, that’s the number of people in this country that I need to steer clear of. Unfortunately, there are more than that in this county. And mostly zealously religious, on top of everything else.

150 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:14:54pm

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

Haha, 68% say no, Snowden is a traitor.

Scary that 32% say yes. I suppose, along with the consistent third that either votes for the ‘baggers or libertarian dudebros, that’s the number of people in this country that I need to steer clear of. Unfortunately, there are more than that in this county. And mostly zealousy religious, on top of everything else.

But that’s a self-selection of MSNBC respondents. I’m waiting for Freep to unskew the poll.

151 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:16:01pm

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

It’s a little different.

Now, it is 69-31.

Roughly out of 200.

152 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:24:11pm

re: #131 Decatur Deb

We got over our newbie fears as we developed the same immunities 8 million Seoul citizens carried. In assignments all over the world I only once got Ataturk’s Revenge. It cost me a free hop on a UH-1 making a milk run to Ephesus.

I hope you made it to Ephesus another time?

153 kirkspencer  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:24:49pm

re: #133 Patricia Kayden

Switch to Dem or not vote at all.

I was going to say 15-20% is too high, but maybe not.

I suspect that Cuccinelli v Mcauliffe will turn out as predictive as Keyes (eta: v Obama) for much the same reason (and despite Roger’s protests that it was just supposed to be a funny line.)

154 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:25:03pm

re: #128 FemNaziBitch

Don’t forget to get a government job just before you get pregnant, so you can enjoy paid maternity time-off. Then do it 5 more times before you decide you want another job.

Also, be sure your husband’s business is eligible for government subsidies too!

Make sure your husband has you listed as principal owner for even better bennies!

155 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:25:59pm

re: #142 darthstar

Oh, for fuck’s sake…

[Embedded content]

I looked at that yesterday.

This site was commissioned by the trustees of the Journalistic Source Protection Defence Fund (JSPDF)

That Fund is governed by a committee of three. Number one is Julian Assange.

156 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:26:31pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

I looked at that yesterday.

That Fund is governed by a committee of three. Number one is Julian Assange.

It’s a grift.

157 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:27:40pm

re: #156 darthstar

It’s a grift.

For My Little Dudebronies.

158 darthstar  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:32:20pm
159 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:41:46pm

Speaking of religious nuts here, a 50-ish guy behind me, dressed up in a suit he probably wasn’t used to, commented to the clerk (young enough to be his daughter, but he was flirting w/her obviously) said he had been in the “den of vipers” today. Whuh, says she. “I had to go to court—“den of vipers” is in [some bible verse he quoted], they’re lawyers,” sez he, loading an 18 pack of beer on the belt.

I wondered if court was for a DUI in that big old over-sized truck he put the beer in.

Actually, it’s Matthew 23:33 which refers to a “generation” of vipers, from a John the Baptist rant, in the KJ version: “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” Other versions use, “brood”, “offspring”, “children”, etc.

“Den of vipers” allegedly was in a quotation from Andrew Jackson about bankers, but there is some question as to whether he actually said it or not.

“Generation of Vipers” was also a jeremiad by Philip Wylie on the American way of life written in 1942.

160 Bubblehead II  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:50:42pm

*Lurk off*

Evening Lizards. Hope all is well with you.

*Lurk On*

161 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:51:18pm

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

Speaking of religious nuts here, a 50-ish guy behind me, dressed up in a suit he probably wasn’t used to, commented to the clerk (young enough to be his daughter, but he was flirting w/her obviously) said he had been in the “den of vipers” today. Whuh, says she. “I had to go to court—“den of vipers” is in [some bible verse he quoted], they’re lawyers,” sez he, loading an 18 pack of beer on the belt.

I wondered if court was for a DUI in that big old over-sized truck he put the beer in.

Actually, it’s Matthew 23:33 which refers to a “generation” of vipers, from a John the Baptist rant, in the KJ version: “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” Other versions use, “brood”, “offspring”, “children”, etc.

“Den of vipers” allegedly was in a quotation from Andrew Jackson about bankers, but there is some question as to whether he actually said it or not.

“Generation of Vipers” was also a jeremiad by Philip Wylie on the American way of life written in 1942.

The populists generally have a long-standing distrust of bankers and lawyers. Generally have gotten the short-end of the stick from them for generations.

162 freetoken  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:51:34pm

I see that the MSNBC vote on Snowden is now up to 72% for “traitor”.

Speaking of “traitors” or not, I’m researching one of my 4th great grandfathers. I discovered last night that he was probably in the Revolutionary War, in the so called “German Battalion”. It’s an interesting bit of history, and of propaganda. These were ethnic Germans living in PA and MD who were recruited in part as a way of making an antithesis to the Hessians, proving one could be “German” and pro-Revolution.

I wonder what MSNBC would have polled in 1776?

163 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:56:56pm

This is the usual way Greenwald and his buddies respond when they screw up and get caught:

164 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 4:57:19pm

Hmm… that raid that nabbed a major terror figure almost included an even higher ranking terror master tied to the Benghazi attack that killed Ambassador Stevens. The administration opted not to launch that raid for fear of destabilizing the Libyan government even further.

U.S. special operations forces were ready, if ordered, to enter Benghazi and capture Ahmed Abu Khattalah, a leading figure in the Ansar Al-Sharia militia. But the mission never materialized.

The United States believes Ansar Al-Sharia was behind the September 2012 armed assault on the U.S. diplomatic mission that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

President Barack Obama has openly said it is a “priority” to bring the Benghazi suspects “to justice.” The FBI continues to investigate the attack and Khattalah is under federal indictment, CNN’s Evan Perez has reported.

The FBI has also published photographs of people seen at the compound on the night of the raid that it wants to talk to.

U.S. intelligence agencies and military special operations forces have moved in and out of Libya for several months with the permission of the Libyan government. They are looking for opportunities to capture alleged suspects in the Benghazi attack, developing a list of nearly a dozen individuals.

165 jaunte  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:01:53pm

Has Omidyar handed over his $250 million to the ‘future of news’ group yet?

166 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:02:58pm

On that re: #162 freetoken

The farthest back my family can be traced is on my mom’s side, on the Swiss portion.

Back to the 1200’s.

The last name in question?

Rickenbach.

167 Joanne  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:04:09pm

re: #1 Kragar

DAMN YOU COOCH! IF ONLY YOU WERE MORE CONSERVATIVE!
/

Yeah! His staffers are t letting Ken be Ken. (Direct quote from Redstate .)

168 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:08:36pm

re: #165 jaunte

Has Omidyar handed over his $250 million to the ‘future of news’ group yet?

Maybe he’ll dribble those dollars out a few at a time, like fine state secrets.

169 Joanne  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:13:15pm

re: #35 erik_t

Oh, I see it in (eg) John McCain’s face.

They just have no idea what to do about it. It’s funny, because they caused this. To hell with them.

McCain…who gave us Palin the Quitter and Fake Sam the Fake Plumber.

170 Joanne  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:17:18pm

re: #52 FemNaziBitch

I feel like there is this core group of conservatives who just can’t see that we are living in 2013. It’s like the rest of us are waiting for 3-D printers to become mainstream, and they are bitching because they can’t find new ribbons for their typewriters.

More like ink for their quills.

171 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:19:39pm

o ye generation of lizards!

how can you escape the damnation of heck!

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:20:42pm

re: #171 dog philosopher

o ye generation of lizards!

how can you escape the damnation of heck!

wine.
Lots and LOTS of wine…
Or in the case of klys…gin…

173 dog philosopher  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:21:56pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

wine.
Lots and LOTS of wine…
Or in the case of klys…gin…

i’ll have a little bourbon on the rocks if you please

174 Lidane  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:22:21pm

re: #170 Joanne

More like ink for their quills.

Quills are a tool of the devil! Without the clergy to guide us on how to think and feel, we will fall victim to Satan!

175 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:23:53pm

Do they boo their lecturers from their lecturns, too, when they don’t agree with them? This is too much like the mob in action.

Ray Kelly Was Booed Offstage By Student Protestors At Brown Before He Could Even Speak

Read more: businessinsider.com

They may not have agreed with Kelly, or with “stop and frisk” but they acted like Nazis. How do they know what he was going to say, or could they not ask questions, and have a dialogue about their concerns and the practice?

176 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:25:04pm

re: #165 jaunte

Has Omidyar handed over his $250 million to the ‘future of news’ group yet?

Greenwald’s been announcing a few hires, so if he doesn’t already have the money he’s got signed contracts. (I’d assume.)

177 jaunte  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:26:04pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

I was wondering if this latest stumble might have cooled things off a bit.

178 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:26:20pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

Greenwald’s been announcing a few hires, so if he doesn’t already have the money he’s got signed contracts. (I’d assume.)

Contracts? Greenwald don’t need no stinkin’ contracts.
It’s all about “TRUST ME!!!11!!!!”

179 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:29:22pm

LOL Citizens United defender (srsly?! Passing limits on political campaign contributions is the first step toward OMG censorship of ALL THE MEDIAS!!1! o_O)

180 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:31:55pm

re: #152 wrenchwench

I hope you made it to Ephesus another time?

Nope. Missed it twice. The chaplain took a group during a break in an exercise, but i had to go look at a big empty dock (sniff). Did drink a lot of Efes beer.

181 Joanne  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:32:25pm

re: #142 darthstar

Oh, for fuck’s sake…

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That 26% say they’ll gift Snowden/Greenwald/Wikileaks, is pathetic.

182 jaunte  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:34:39pm

re: #142 darthstar

Snowden’s revelations are still causing major waves in national, and international, security circles. German newsmagazine Der Spiegel recently found that the National Security Agency had been monitoring German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s cellphone (and had been doing so since as early as 2002), causing many to question why the U.S. would listen in on its allies.*

*Primarily people who had never had a single thought about the matter before.

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:35:56pm

re: #182 jaunte

*Primarily people who had never had a single thought about the matter before.

Tell them it works like MAGIC.
;)

184 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:37:52pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

Nope. Missed it twice. The chaplain took a group during a break in an exercise, but i had to go look at a big empty dock (sniff). Did drink a lot of Efes beer.

Awww…. well at least you had the beer.

It was spectacular. Made up for ‘Troy’, which was a series of ditches guarded by a big wooden horse.

185 teleskiguy  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:38:58pm

Dudebro bait.

186 teleskiguy  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:41:32pm

Evening lizards! Listening to Keith Jarrett’s Cologne Concert. My favorite touring music act’s bassist was playing it for his infant daughter before he left home again for the Halloween shows.

187 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:42:15pm

re: #184 wrenchwench

Awww…. well at least you had the beer.

It was spectacular. Made up for ‘Troy’, which was a series of ditches guarded by a big wooden horse.

Got to fly over Troy on that exercise, in a C-141. Hissarlik was in the operational area. We were drilling a notional reinforcement of Hellespont defense. No beautiful women, no apple, no freaking snakes.

188 sagehen  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:42:19pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

Steele oversaw a wave election that allowed the GOP to retake the House and shave down the Dem Senate majority.

His reward? To be tossed out on his ass for being seen as insufficiently dedicated to the cause. as Black as the President. Maybe even blacker.

FTFY

189 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:42:30pm

Ha!

Concern troll is very concerned so maybe you should be too

rawstory.com

“It’s almost as if Conor was asleep during the run-up to the last election a mere year ago when all of those topics (outside of the NSA dribs and drabs that Glenn Greenwald is currently monetizing) were on the table and, wait for it: the great majority of Democratic voters didn’t give what Mother Teresa used to call “a flying fuck” about them. If you don’t believe these topics were discussed by the progressive wing ad infinitum nauseam onlineum, I’ve got a handful of 500-comment posts (aka Tbogg unit) at my old hangout I’ll trade you for bitcoins and pogs. But when the last ballot was dropped on election day 2012 all the Mumia-sweatshirted horsemen and all the rainbow unicorns they rode in on could only manage to deliver to their standard bearer, Dr. Mrs. St. Jill Stein, was 0.3% of the national vote.” (my emphasis)

Yea, Tbogg’s got his number all right.

190 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:43:47pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m no expert political strategist, but it’s so painfully obvious why the GOP is imploding and yet people who make way, way more money than I do seem to be completely oblivious to reality.

It’s pretty simple, isn’t it?

In Franklin’s Tower, which was written over thirty eight years ago, Robert Hunter penned the lyrics:

“If you plant ice, you’re going to harvest wind”.

It’s a cold wind, too, and it spells the death of relevancy for the Rs if they don’t get shed of these idiots as if they were fleas and nits.

Evening, all.

191 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:44:45pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

Got to fly over Troy on that exercise, in a C-141. Hissarlik was in the operational area. We were drilling a notional reinforcement of Hellespont defense. No beautiful women, no apple, no freaking snakes.

I guess things changed a bit in the intervening millennia.

192 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 5:46:56pm

re: #191 wrenchwench

I guess things changed a bit in the intervening millennia.

We are still excellent killers of men.

193 AlexRogan  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 6:16:20pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

Greenwald’s been announcing a few hires, so if he doesn’t already have the money he’s got signed contracts. (I’d assume.)

I’m guessing that if GG does already have toadies under contract, those contracts probably have airtight non-disclosure clauses in them.

194 BusyMonster  Wed, Oct 30, 2013 6:35:37am

re: #81 ProTARDISLiberal

When I visited China we saw one day these three little old ladies fighting each other over our thrown-out water bottles. It was a funny scene, but then later on we were being toured through the hutongs (sp?) and saw where the bottles were going, and why they were so desired: from Beijing’s taps, these bottles were being refilled and resealed … the same taps that we were warned not to drink from because of the high prevalance of Hepatitis B in the population.

Anything you get off the street in Beijing is probably suspect. Food or otherwise.

195 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Oct 30, 2013 9:16:15am

re: #71 Dr. Matt

Vicious Babushka, was this your undoing?

Heh. I didn’t see that. It is so Tweeted. now.


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