Shooting at LAX: Airport Evacuated After Gunman Fires at TSA Agent

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Here we go again, folks: LAX Evacuated After Gunman Fires at TSA Agent.

(CNN) — A suspect has been shot and is in police custody after Friday’s shooting at Los Angeles International Airport, a law enforcement source close to the investigation tells CNN’s Miguel Marquez.

A person with a firearm at Los Angeles International Airport approached a checkpoint at Terminal 3 and opened fire Friday morning at a Transportation Security Administration agent, a former Los Angeles Police Department ranking officer who was at the scene told CNN.

Reports of gunfire Friday morning at Los Angeles International Airport prompted evacuations of portions of LAX and led to a “ground stop” for arriving planes, said police and the Federal Aviation Administration.

No further details were immediately available on the gunfire, police said.

Airport officials said a police incident began about 9:30 a.m. at Terminal 3 at LAX, airport spokeswoman Nancy Suey Castles said.

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310 comments
1 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:53:23am
2 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:53:57am

There you go again, blaming it on the gun. Why can’t you liberals ever blame the crazies with guns?! Er, wait, let me rephrase that…

3 Botsplainer  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:54:50am

Up until 9:00 AM PDT, he was a law abiding gun owner. Now he is a gone rogue loner nut.

Nobody could have predicted or known, but it is still too early and too raw to be talking about magazine limitations or gun control.

4 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:56:02am

Guess what? That guy probably just got the TSA checkpoints moved to the front entrance of the airport terminal. No one who is not arriving or departing will be allowed inside the terminal. Say your goodbyes at the drop off.

5 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:56:34am
6 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:57:08am

re: #4 Justanotherhuman

Guess what? That guy probably just got the TSA checkpoints moved to the front entrance of the airport terminal. No one who is not arriving or departing will be allowed inside the terminal. Say your goodbyes at the drop off.

Just as the Illuminati had planned.
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7 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:57:19am

re: #5 Kragar

Up next: Wayne LaPierre lamenting the fact that the TSA agents weren’t armed.

8 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:57:45am
9 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:57:49am

re: #5 Kragar

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Ah, Mr. Jones, what kept you?

10 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:57:58am

re: #1 Gus

Aww shit. G-dammit

11 erik_t  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:58:03am

re: #4 Justanotherhuman

Guess what? That guy probably just got the TSA checkpoints moved to the front entrance of the airport terminal. No one who is not arriving or departing will be allowed inside the terminal. Say your goodbyes at the drop off.

I’m not even sure that’s physically possible at many US airports.

12 erik_t  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:58:46am

re: #8 lawhawk

Note that the LAPD almost certainly showed up with many AR-15’s of their own. Seeing one on the ground doesn’t really mean anything at this point.

13 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:59:13am
14 gwangung  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:59:29am

re: #4 Justanotherhuman

Guess what? That guy probably just got the TSA checkpoints moved to the front entrance of the airport terminal. No one who is not arriving or departing will be allowed inside the terminal. Say your goodbyes at the drop off.

Hm. And what would you bet that some nut just opens fire outside the gates to get their victims?

15 Botsplainer  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:59:40am

Clearly, had God-fearing patriots been allowed to be armed at the airport, the gunman would have been subdued by dozens of armed citizens pulling out pieces.

That wouldn’t have been confusing or fraught at all.

16 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:59:47am

Hey Alex. Keep your conspiracy theories sorted out.

The TSA already has armed agents. And the TSA is part of DHS, which went on an ammo purchasing binge (which you claimed was part of a larger nefarious plot to hoard ammo).

17 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:00:10am

re: #6 Kragar

Just as the Illuminati had planned.
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No, but this is the kind of shit that makes it harder on others. No one will be allowed to have a weapon inside the terminal with the exception of airport security officers.

18 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:00:10am

Speaking of useless morons

19 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:00:44am

re: #17 Justanotherhuman

No, but this is the kind of shit that makes it harder on others. No one will be allowed to have a weapon inside the terminal with the exception of airport security officers.

And that would be bad because?

20 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:00:58am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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“Is it behind the rabbit?”

Yeah, sorry, I’m not really seeing it. I see a dark length of something at the cop’s feet that might be a rifle, but might also be a shotgun. Too hard to tell at that distance.

21 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:01:14am

re: #7 Lidane

NRA announces plan for federal government to establish special, armed, Transportation Security Agents (TSA) at all airports.

22 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:02:18am

re: #21 Bulworth

NRA announces plan for federal government to establish special, armed, Transportation Security Agents (TSA) at all airports.

Followed by libertarian squealing that armed government stormtroopers are treating passengers like Jews in Nazi Germany.

//

23 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:02:26am

Guns in every school: BEST THING EVER!
Guns in airports: TYRANNY!

24 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:03:11am

re: #18 Kragar

Which Christmas? Greek/Eastern Orthodox? Or December 25? So confusing.

And more to the point, where exactly in this hidden Constitution is the mention of Christmas?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Christmas as part of the Constitution would expressly violate the First Amendment. Congress has no right to prevent an individual’s right to celebrate Christmas, but Fischer wants to impose his views on everyone else. Clearly prohibited.

25 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:03:19am

re: #23 Kragar

Guns in every school: BEST THING EVER!
Guns in airports: TYRANNY!

You know better, Kragar. They’d love guns in schools right up until parents starting wigging out that them there liberal teachers are threatening to shoot kids who talk back against the government brainwashing.

26 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:03:24am

re: #14 gwangung

Hm. And what would you bet that some nut just opens fire outside the gates to get their victims?

Well, taking weapons, bottles, and other designated items on board an airplane used to be perfectly all right.

So was smoking on board.

Things change. What is permissible today may not be tomorrow.

27 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:03:32am
28 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:04:00am

re: #24 lawhawk

Which Christmas? Greek/Eastern Orthodox? Or December 25? So confusing.

And more to the point, where exactly in this hidden Constitution is the mention of Christmas?

Christmas as part of the Constitution would expressly violate the First Amendment. Congress has no right to prevent an individual’s right to celebrate Christmas, but Fischer wants to impose his views on everyone else. Clearly prohibited.

“Year of our Lord”

29 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:04:57am

re: #27 Gus

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If that’s the gun in question, then yeah, I’d say it’s an AR-15 pattern rifle. Looks like a folding skeleton stock, which explains the “pulled it out” comments from eyewitnesses.

30 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:05:50am

All freeway exits to Los Angeles Airport from highways 105/405 closed after shooting - @NBCLA

And reporting 1 TSA agent killed.

31 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:06:22am

re: #28 Kragar

“Year of our Lord”

Yep.

done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven

32 ausador  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:06:51am

re: #19 Kragar

And that would be bad because?

Because of the tens of thousands of hunters/outdoor aficionados who travel with their rifles and handguns and need to take them at least as far as the luggage check-in.

33 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:07:28am

So, who wants to bet this rifle was bought in the last month, if not the last week?

34 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:07:31am

Press conference in less than 1/2 hour.

35 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:08:44am

re: #32 ausador

Because of the tens of thousands of hunters/outdoor aficionados who travel with their rifles and handguns and need to take them at least as far as the luggage check-in.

I was thinking carried for use, not declared as cargo for transport, separate from the ammunition.

36 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:09:14am

re: #20 Targetpractice

“Is it behind the rabbit?”

Yeah, sorry, I’m not really seeing it. I see a dark length of something at the cop’s feet that might be a rifle, but might also be a shotgun. Too hard to tell at that distance.

Exactly. Clear picture, and until then no speculation.

37 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:09:43am
38 missliberties  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:09:44am

This sort of thing is becoming so commonplace in our country.

Another day, another shooting. Ho hum. Where’s the nearest gun show.

39 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:10:30am

re: #37 Gus

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Off-duty agent? I’d like confirmation on that, but if true, we might be looking at another mentally disturbed employee.

40 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:11:23am

re: #28 Kragar

Oh, so they’re going to accept that the Masons and Quakers are the one true American religion? Or Church of England (Episcopalian)? Or Protestants? Deist? Presbyterian? Congregationalists? Lutherans? Dutch Reformed? or is that Methodists?

After all, Madison, who drafted the Constitution and Bill of Rights, is associated as a Deist.

41 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:11:25am

re: #24 lawhawk

And more to the point, where exactly in this hidden Constitution is the mention of Christmas?

Article VII, clearly:

done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven

See? They accepted the Christian calendar, so Christmas is in the Constitution!

42 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:11:25am

re: #39 Targetpractice

Off-duty agent? I’d like confirmation on that, but if true, we might be looked at another mentally disturbed employee.

Mentally disturbed or a victim of the American gun culture?

43 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:11:26am

Guy in my office:

“Dammit!”
“What?”
“This guy on Facebook says I look like a black Billy Joel.”
“Now that you mention it…”
“FUCK YOU TOO!”

44 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:11:58am

re: #39 Targetpractice

Off-duty agent? I’d like confirmation on that, but if true, we might be looking at another mentally disturbed employee.

45 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:12:14am

re: #41 Lidane

Article VII, clearly:

See? They accepted the Christian calendar, so Christmas is in the Constitution!

“Check and Mate, Bitches. Check and Mate.”

46 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:12:36am

re: #29 Targetpractice

If that’s the gun in question, then yeah, I’d say it’s an AR-15 pattern rifle. Looks like a folding skeleton stock, which explains the “pulled it out” comments from eyewitnesses.

Actually, it looked more like an AK pattern to me. That’s why I don’t like speculation.

47 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:12:39am

re: #41 Lidane

Because they’re writing in a convention format that the Western world (Europe) had adopted for centuries, that’s proof that this is the case? Bollocks!

48 Aunty Entity Dragon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:12:42am

re: #37 Gus

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Oh dear. Workplace shooting…and if the guy may well have had access to LE firearms depending on his sworn personnel status.

49 Botsplainer  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:12:49am

re: #39 Targetpractice

Clearly, this is just a disturbed workplace shooter. There is no reason to impact the rights of decent, hardworking, law-abiding gun owners, which this guy was until 9 this morning.

Buy Bushmaster…

50 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:13:12am
51 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:13:16am

re: #41 Lidane

And since it includes Christmas it means Constitution is based on Southern Baptist G-d. //

52 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:13:57am

re: #39 Targetpractice

Off-duty agent? I’d like confirmation on that, but if true, we might be looking at another mentally disturbed employee.

Domestic issues are possible too.

53 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:13:58am

re: #47 lawhawk

Because they’re writing in a convention format that the Western world (Europe) had adopted for centuries, that’s proof that this is the case? Bollocks!

Consider the source. It’s Bryan Fischer.

54 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:14:43am
55 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:15:12am

re: #42 b_sharp

1. It is inappropriate to start throwing down that kind of marker so soon.

2. The asshole who decides the way to resolve his rage is by shooting someone dead is not a “victim of the culture”; He’s a shithead murderer who deserves to be executed.

56 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:15:45am

re: #41 Lidane

Article VII, clearly:

See? They accepted the Christian calendar, so Christmas is in the Constitution!

The ‘Christian Calendar’ (Gregorian) is just a slightly modified Julian calendar which predates Jesus.

57 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:16:03am

It really doesn’t matter what type of gun he used.

58 Aunty Entity Dragon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:16:05am

re: #49 Botsplainer

Clearly, this is just a disturbed workplace shooter. There is no reason to impact the rights of decent, hardworking, law-abiding gun owners, which this guy was until 9 this morning.

Buy Bushmaster…

Problem is…you get bad cops who misuse firearms (and this guy seems to be some sort of agent) just like the jackass who tried to arrest a female soldier in Columbia SC two weeks ago after she blew him off when he tried to pick her up in a restaurant.

Not sure how that really is supposed to apply to everyone else.

59 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:16:42am

re: #57 Charles Johnson

It really doesn’t matter what type of gun he used.

What really matters is what video games he had played.
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60 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:18:12am

re: #54 Kragar

Did the Leviathon survive the flood or was it on the ark? /

61 ausador  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:18:15am

re: #44 Gus

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So “going postal” will now be known as “going TSA?”

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62 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:18:37am

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

1. It is inappropriate to start throwing down that kind of marker so soon.

2. The asshole who decides the way to resolve his rage is by shooting someone dead is not a “victim of the culture”; He’s a shithead murderer who deserves to be executed.

It happens far less in countries that do not have a gun culture.

63 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:18:47am

He didn’t just kill someone. He also caused massive economic damage.

64 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:18:47am

re: #57 Charles Johnson

It really doesn’t matter what type of gun he used.

I wish I could give this 100 updings.

65 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:18:50am

re: #56 b_sharp

The ‘Christian Calendar’ (Gregorian) is just a slightly modified Julian calendar which predates Jesus.

Tell that to the loons who think that any mention of “in the Year of our Lord” means an implicit endorsement of Christmas in the Constitution.

66 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:18:57am

re: #57 Charles Johnson

It really doesn’t matter what type of gun he used.

It shouldn’t, but it will end up being the sticking point with the gun rights crowd, who will screech yet again that deaths from assault rifles are less numerous than car crashes or swimming pools and declare that anybody going after “scary guns” is ignoring the “real problem.”

67 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:19:06am

re: #62 b_sharp

It happens far less in countries that do not have a gun culture.

Crime culture.

68 Aunty Entity Dragon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:19:27am

re: #57 Charles Johnson

It really doesn’t matter what type of gun he used.

Well, speaking as a gun owner who has firearms representing most of American history…I will be far more concerned about somebody with a Kalashnikov then I would about someone with, say, a Brown Bess musket. That actual point was made in a tv ad last summer.

69 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:19:59am

re: #65 Lidane

Tell that to the loons who think that any mention of “in the Year of our Lord” means an implicit endorsement of Christmas in the Constitution.

Use of common measurements is an implicit admission that the US was founded as a Christian Nation.
/

70 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:20:10am

re: #43 Kragar

Guy in my office:

“Dammit!”
“What?”
“This guy on Facebook says I look like a black Billy Joel.”
“Now that you mention it…”
“FUCK YOU TOO!”

Youtube Video

71 darthstar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:20:28am

You don’t shoot up the El Al counter and get a court date.

72 ausador  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:20:56am

re: #60 Bulworth

Did the Leviathon survive the flood or was it on the ark? /

It survived but then it was killed by this guy…

Leviathon is a spirit I have battled as well. It was a hard battle but was won. It was about four months or more ago. My wife and I were in McDonalds and were having a conversation with an angel and Leviathon had come up. I told the angel that i wanted to fight this demon and he said I could. On the way back to the hotel I asked the angel if he could bring the demon to a predestinated place and he said yes. I figured that since Leviathon was from the depths of the sea he would be used to the cold water so I filled the tub up with scalding hot water and blessed the water. The angels (there were two now) brought Leviathon bound to the tub and fought with me. We all pulled our swords from our hips and began running this demon through with all my strength and everything I had. I would say it took atleast half an hour or more. We were all spent but the battle was won.
ministeringdeliverance.com

73 b.d.  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:21:35am

re: #57 Charles Johnson

It really doesn’t matter what type of gun he used.

Unless you are in the gun selling business, in that case you better stock up on that model.

74 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:21:46am

re: #68 Aunty Entity Dragon

Well, speaking as a gun owner who has firearms representing most of American history…I will be far more concerned about somebody with a Kalashnikov then I would about someone with, say, a Brown Bess musket. That actual point was made in a tv ad last summer.

The other thing is that what firearm was used will then determine which set of talking points are trotted out by the usual suspects on the left and right none of whom have any interest in changing things because both sides can rake in the contributions better this way.

75 darthstar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:22:57am

re: #73 b.d.

Unless you are in the gun selling business, in that case you better stock up on that model.

Because all the nutbags will want to buy one before the evil mooslim in the White House bans it.

76 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:22:58am
77 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:22:59am

re: #67 Gus

Crime culture.

If your culture is one that suggests the use of a gun is a valid, if not honorable, solution to conflict, it isn’t just crime that’s a problem.

78 erik_t  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:23:20am

re: #74 William Barnett-Lewis

The other thing is that what firearm was used will then determine which set of talking points are trotted out by the usual suspects on the left and right none of whom have any interest in changing things because both sides can rake in the contributions better this way.

That’s a pretty hard MBF, there.

79 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:23:39am

re: #59 Kragar

What really matters is what video games he had played.
/

No, the music he listened to.

No, it’s the religious background.

No, it’s the color of his skin.

80 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:24:38am

re: #71 darthstar

You don’t shoot up the El Al counter and get a court date.

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And other reports have said he is conscious and speaking to law enforcement. The level of media confusion in cases like this is extremely high.

81 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:25:12am

re: #68 Aunty Entity Dragon

Well, speaking as a gun owner who has firearms representing most of American history…I will be far more concerned about somebody with a Kalashnikov then I would about someone with, say, a Brown Bess musket. That actual point was made in a tv ad last summer.

Certainly the ability to rapidly and accurately throw multiple chunks of metal at high speed makes a difference.

82 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:25:43am

re: #69 Kragar

Use of common measurements is an implicit admission that the US was founded as a Christian Nation.
/

I’ve argued with people who believe exactly that.

83 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:26:03am

re: #77 b_sharp

If your culture is one that suggests the use of a gun is a valid, if not honorable, solution to conflict, it isn’t just crime that’s a problem.

True. But my local gun club doesn’t endorse getting mad at your co-workers and then shooting them up at work either.

84 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:26:15am

re: #18 Kragar

Speaking of useless morons

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I wanna see the birth certificate…

85 Aunty Entity Dragon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:26:17am

re: #74 William Barnett-Lewis

The other thing is that what firearm was used will then determine which set of talking points are trotted out by the usual suspects on the left and right none of whom have any interest in changing things because both sides can rake in the contributions better this way.

That is why I now stay out of these debates for the most part. Too many people want to scream and indulge in ideological purity and orgiastic hate-gasms about the ‘enemy’.

I happen to be a gun owner…so I have been called about every filthy thing you can think of at some progressive sites.

I also happen to think that some gun control is really becoming an absolute necessity…so cue the usual “statist Marxist boot licking libtard!” bullshit from the right.

I gave up on talking to most people at on this subject.

86 ausador  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:27:35am

re: #71 darthstar

You don’t shoot up the El Al counter and get a court date.

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The EL Al shooting happened back in July of 2002, I think your looking at search engine hits from quite a while ago. El AL is not in the terminal that this happened at…

87 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:27:37am

re: #78 erik_t

That’s a pretty hard MBF, there.

Perhaps. But I’ve yet to see either the NRA dweebs or the Brady Bunch actually propose anything that will make a difference _and_ actually get enough votes to pass both houses of congress. Meanwhile both make hay from the bloodshed.

88 Botsplainer  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:27:48am

re: #63 Charles Johnson

He didn’t just kill someone. He also caused massive economic damage.

Pointing out the economic damage caused by the misuse of firearms is antithetical to our historical freedoms.

Somewhere, an eagle sheds a solitary tear at your hurtfulness.

89 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:28:19am

As usual these shooting lead to a lot critical and rational conclusions.

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90 Aunty Entity Dragon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:28:24am

re: #78 erik_t

That’s a pretty hard MBF, there.

I think there is some real truth to “both sides play it for gain” on this one, unfortunately…and I am usually one of the first people here to look for signs of the magical balance faerie.

91 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:28:52am
92 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:29:06am

I blame _________________ (your most hated American sub-culture - please print).

93 jaunte  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:29:42am

re: #91 Kragar

“Booyah” must be his alternate “I arf you not.”

94 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:30:23am

re: #78 erik_t

That’s a pretty hard MBF, there.

No, it isn’t. Again, when the DC Navy Yards murders were committed, a good number of reporters ran with the idea that the killer used an AR-15. More than one media outlet used that as a springboard for talk about gun control, with the New York Daily News putting such an article on the front page and thus suffering its own “Dewey Defeats Truman moment” when it was learned that the killer’s weapon was a pump-action shotgun.

The fact that the weapon was that kind of shotgun took the wind of the gun control groups’ sails regarding the DC shootings, because the Remington 870 is the kind of hunting weapon that Joe Biden and many other Democrats had made clear they were not trying to ban.

So yeah, the type of gun used matters.

95 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:31:00am

I had posted this two flights of stairs down. I want to repeat it again.

Regarding the LA Airport shootings…getting very tired of this happening weekly now. Next it will be daily. This is getting to the point where the backlash on guns is going to be coming and it will be huge.

If the damn NRA and other gun organizations don’t start doing something politically, the majority of America will. And it will not be pretty for gun political organizations.

America is going to grow real tired of this, if it isn’t not now. Since the Aurora Colorado shootings the occurrences have gained speed. The gun backers better get out in front of this politically or they are going to get run over and they may not like what happens. The lack of concern by the NRA types is really pissing people off. If they made some movements to help with the problem they would be seen in a whole different light than they are now.

96 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:31:28am

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

It doesn’t matter to the person lying dead at LAX, or the people who will spend months in the hospital in agonizing pain.

97 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:32:10am

Mongo take break. bbl

98 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:32:36am
99 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:32:53am

re: #96 Charles Johnson

It doesn’t matter to the person lying dead at LAX, or the people who will spend months in the hospital in agonizing pain.

True, but it does matter politically.

100 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:33:05am

re: #68 Aunty Entity Dragon

Well, speaking as a gun owner who has firearms representing most of American history…I will be far more concerned about somebody with a Kalashnikov then I would about someone with, say, a Brown Bess musket. That actual point was made in a tv ad last summer.

I’m sorry to see this tragedy at all. But I am damn glad it was not a car or truck full of something that explodes. Which seems to have become a weapon of choice all over the world for the desperate.

101 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:33:07am

The Florida Oathkeeping sheriff who ‘disappeared’ the DUI/firearms violation has been turned loose—no charges. He has demanded reinstatement. His county is the second one over. As long as these guys are running about, I intend to keep my gun safe filled.

102 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:33:34am

re: #3 Botsplainer

Up until 9:00 AM PDT, he was a law abiding gun owner. Now he is a gone rogue loner nut.

Nobody could have predicted or known, but it is still too early and too raw to be talking about magazine limitations or gun control.

I use this type of thinking on a lot of gun people I know. There is a fine line between some high-strung, maybe partially crazy law abiding gun owner and his becoming criminal in a moments time.

And it is innocent people that pay the price for it all. This is why people are going to lash out about the whole damn gun issue.

103 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:33:58am

When hear someone got hit by a car in the news, no one asks “what kind of car was it?”

Why is it when someone gets shot, people ask “What kind of gun was it?”

104 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:34:46am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

True, but it does matter politically.

It matters politically because this country is insane about the issue. And no, both sides do not “benefit” from the controversy — there’s only one side that makes massive profits from selling tools of death, and it’s not the gun control advocates.

105 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:35:13am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

True, but it does matter politically.

Sure. In terms of the NRA boosting sales for whatever manufacturer makes that gun.

106 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:35:48am

re: #83 Gus

True. But my local gun club doesn’t endorse getting mad at your co-workers and then shooting them up at work either.

Why would it be necessary to endorse something deeply rooted in the culture?

Cultural biases aren’t easy to recognize let alone eliminate. That’s epitomized by the reaction of the far right wing to charges of racism.

I’m not saying there isn’t a push to change the nature of attitudes toward guns, there obviously is. I am saying that the conclusion the guy was/is deeply disturbed is playing fast and loose with a diagnosis of mental illness and ignores a not insignificant part of the culture that is an influence on decisions made by those using guns.

107 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:36:23am

I’m also going to note here (and I’d ask RWC to back me up) that California already has a very strict “assault weapons” ban and a hi-cap magazine ban. So if this asshole had either of those things he’d already broken the law before he entered LAX.

That said, we really do need to wait and see what type of gun this was and how he got it before we draw conclusions.

108 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:37:22am

re: #43 Kragar

Guy in my office:

“Dammit!”
“What?”
“This guy on Facebook says I look like a black Billy Joel.”
“Now that you mention it…”
“FUCK YOU TOO!”

“Play us a song, Piano Man.”

“FUCK YOU SIDEWAYS!”

109 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:37:36am

re: #101 Decatur Deb

The Florida Oathkeeping sheriff who ‘disappeared’ the DUI/firearms violation has been turned loose—no charges. He has demanded reinstatement. His county is the second one over. As long as these guys are running about, I intend to keep my gun safe filled.

I would give this 100 updings if I could.

110 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:38:10am

re: #7 Lidane

Up next: Wayne LaPierre lamenting the fact that the TSA agents weren’t armed.

Wayne VS. Alex GRUDGE MATCH 2013 FALL EDITION!

111 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:38:34am

re: #85 Aunty Entity Dragon

That is why I now stay out of these debates for the most part. Too many people want to scream and indulge in ideological purity and orgiastic hate-gasms about the ‘enemy’.

I happen to be a gun owner…so I have been called about every filthy thing you can think of at some progressive sites.

I also happen to think that some gun control is really becoming an absolute necessity…so cue the usual “statist Marxist boot licking libtard!” bullshit from the right.

I gave up on talking to most people at on this subject.

I own many weapons, including a rifle, but I was brought up in a society where those weapons are used to hunt, not to attack or defend against other humans.

The social attitudes I was brought up in have had a huge influence in how I view and use those weapons.

112 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:39:17am

re: #101 Decatur Deb

The Florida Oathkeeping sheriff who ‘disappeared’ the DUI/firearms violation has been turned loose—no charges. He has demanded reinstatement. His county is the second one over. As long as these guys are running about, I intend to keep my gun safe filled.

That’s what these idiots don’t understand. They really believe everyone else with guns believes in the same bullshit they do. If they ever come causing trouble in my neighborhood, they are in for a big surprise.

113 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:39:36am

re: #92 Gus

I blame _________________ (your most hated American sub-culture - please print).

Poultrygiests.

114 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:41:15am

re: #112 GlutenFreeJesus

That’s what these idiots don’t understand. They really believe everyone else with guns believes in the same bullshit they do. If they ever come causing trouble in my neighborhood, they are in for a big surprise.

And they’re in for a rude awakening if they think that their fantasies of an armed overthrow of Obama will lead to every military/LEO person and gun owner joining them en masse.

115 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:42:02am

Close-ups of the rifle now showing on the NBC local news live stream:

nbclosangeles.com

Yes, it was an AR-15.

116 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:42:08am

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

1. It is inappropriate to start throwing down that kind of marker so soon.

2. The asshole who decides the way to resolve his rage is by shooting someone dead is not a “victim of the culture”; He’s a shithead murderer who deserves to be executed.

But the question that must always be asked. Would he have done this and caused as much carnage if he didn’t have a gun?

That too is part of the culture. The ease of use. The whole thought of how American’s lash out when pissed off. Call that copycat or whatever, but it is here and it is now.

Gun backers that don’t want any new laws are running out of excuses. They are going to get run over politically.

117 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:42:34am

re: #100 Political Atheist

I’m sorry to see this tragedy at all. But I am damn glad it was not a car or truck full of something that explodes. Which seems to have become a weapon of choice all over the world for the desperate.

You’re right, there are some places where they have a bomb culture and it is good the US isn’t one of them.

Mind you that doesn’t in any way change the existence or desirability of a gun culture.

118 geoffm33  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:42:54am

re: #63 Charles Johnson

He didn’t just kill someone. He also caused massive economic damage.

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post hoc ergo propter hoc he is a US Senator (R)?

119 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:44:03am

re: #114 Lidane

And they’re in for a rude awakening if they think that their fantasies of an armed overthrow of Obama will lead to every military/LEO person and gun owner joining them en masse.

They only expect the magic III Percent. If the shit goes crazy enough, they might get it.

viz: ‘Kerodin’ or ‘Sipsey Street’

120 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:44:09am

re: #103 Kragar

When hear someone got hit by a car in the news, no one asks “what kind of car was it?”

Why is it when someone gets shot, people ask “What kind of gun was it?”

Because the type of gun changes the amount of damage possible and cars are intended to move people or goods, guns are intended to kill.

121 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:44:20am

re: #66 Targetpractice

It shouldn’t, but it will end up being the sticking point with the gun rights crowd, who will screech yet again that deaths from assault rifles are less numerous than car crashes or swimming pools and declare that anybody going after “scary guns” is ignoring the “real problem.”

But dammit, I can’t carry a car or a swimming pool under my coat and then whip ‘em out and start killing can I?

(Not aimed at you…just getting pissed off with that magic balance bullshit)

122 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:44:52am

re: #115 Charles Johnson

Close-ups of the rifle now showing on the NBC local news live stream:

nbclosangeles.com

Yes, it was an AR-15.

“Buy ‘Murican”

123 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:46:25am

re: #113 b_sharp

Poultrygiests.

They’re the bastards who do the Salmonella outbreaks, too.

124 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:46:54am

Sorry my American friends, but you do have to at least consider the attitudes toward guns while trying to figure out why these incidents happen and how to reduce their number.

125 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:47:17am

re: #123 GeneJockey

They’re the bastards who do the Salmonella outbreaks, too.

Implicated in several tar-and-featherings.

126 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:47:34am

re: #115 Charles Johnson

Close-ups of the rifle now showing on the NBC local news live stream:

nbclosangeles.com

Yes, it was an AR-15.

That is correct. Please forgive my earlier skepticism on that point.

But again, that rifle and that 30 round magazine were already illegal for civilian ownership in California.

What if this guy had access to that rifle as a part of his job with the TSA?

127 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:47:37am

re: #125 Decatur Deb

Implicated in several tar-and-featherings.

At least as accessories.

128 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:48:56am

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

But again, that rifle and that 30 round magazine were already illegal for civilian ownership in California.

And that matters not a single bit. It’s laughably easy to get these weapons in America, and local laws are a joke.

129 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:49:26am

re: #89 Gus

As usual these shooting lead to a lot critical and rational conclusions.

//

Give it a few days Gus. Yeah, lots of emotions at this time no doubt.

But as I am trying to make a point of…it is fast reaching a tipping point. Sometimes things go along and then wham, too many grow too sick of it all, and then the hammer comes down.

The emotions will go away in 24 hours. The realistic stats will not.

What’s that about the straw that broke the camel’s back…

130 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:49:32am

re: #72 ausador

Well that’s not very fair. All the cats not in the ark got drowned, but the beastly leviathon and sharks survived. /

131 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:50:01am
132 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:50:03am

re: #124 b_sharp

Sorry my American friends, but you do have to at least consider the attitudes toward guns while trying to figure out why these incidents happen and how to reduce their number.

YOU CAN’T PREVENT THEM!!!! YOU CAN ONLY STOP THEM BY HAVING MORE PEOPLE WITH MORE AND BIGGER GUNS, IN MORE PLACES, MORE OF THE TIME!!! IF A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN HAD A ROCKET LAUNCHER, THIS GUY WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD THE MOMENT HE PULLED THE AR15 OUT OF HAMMERSPACE!!!

133 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:51:22am
134 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:51:57am

re: #131 Charles Johnson

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The news in this country is a joke anymore.

135 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:51:59am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

I’m also going to note here (and I’d ask RWC to back me up) that California already has a very strict “assault weapons” ban and a hi-cap magazine ban. So if this asshole had either of those things he’d already broken the law before he entered LAX.

That said, we really do need to wait and see what type of gun this was and how he got it before we draw conclusions.

We have what is generally agreed to be very strong very effective laws about guns, and some very specific rules about the most powerful semi auto rifles.

We have covered this ground a lot. My take today is that we have to accept that the law of the land leaves room for the law abiding to have and use guns for defense, hunt and sport. That will inevitably mean we can not have a law so powerful it will stop every desperate violent or deranged person from getting a gun (or worse) and killing, whether it be one person or a big spree shooting.

Once we have a set of strong laws like here in Los Angeles, you might start to think what makes us so violent (in general as a society) as to commit mayhem by whatever is at hand. So of it is obvious. Gang and theft gun crimes. Some subtle, the ordinary man that somehow snaps.

Guns make lethal violence too easy. I don’t find it a fair assumption that if we put lots more guns in far less violent places they would become as violent as we are. But I am certain that if we can kindly intervene in the cases of the mentally ill, or that live a lifestyle like the gangs, or do something about that drug war we will be making moves in a very helpful direction.

136 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:52:12am

re: #132 GeneJockey

YOU CAN’T PREVENT THEM!!!! YOU CAN ONLY STOP THEM BY HAVING MORE PEOPLE WITH MORE AND BIGGER GUNS, IN MORE PLACES, MORE OF THE TIME!!! IF A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN HAD A ROCKET LAUNCHER, THIS GUY WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD THE MOMENT HE PULLED THE AR15 OUT OF HAMMERSPACE!!!

IF ONLY A GOOD GUY HAD BEEN THERE WITH A TACTICAL NUKE, THIS WHOLE TRAGEDY COULD’VE BEEN PREVENTED!!11ty!

137 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:52:40am

re: #131 Charles Johnson

Another confusing point that’s come up so far. Ugh.

138 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:53:06am

re: #130 Bulworth

Well that’s not very fair. All the cats not in the ark got drowned, but the beastly leviathon and sharks survived. /

The kittehs didn’t drown, they got transformed into catfish…

EVOLUTION!!!!

139 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:53:16am

Press conference now starting: nbclosangeles.com

140 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:53:39am

Sorry, here’s the link: nbclosangeles.com

141 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:54:31am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

True, but it does matter politically.

In time it will matter more politically. And the one side that has in my opinion been way too cocky and arrogant about it all is going to find themselves on the wrong side of the numbers.

I know a lot of big burly type hunter manly man types…and they change real quick when their mothers read them the riot act, or when their wives cut them off. What about when their churches turn against them and start preaching that guns are evil and the laws in this country need to change.

There are still forces way more powerful than guns and gun lobbyists.

142 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:54:59am

re: #91 Kragar

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“Booyah” coming from BF? Seriously?

143 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:55:00am

re: #128 Charles Johnson

And that matters not a single bit. It’s laughably easy to get these weapons in America, and local laws are a joke.

Can anyone imagine any law that could pass that would prevent misuse of the 300,000,000 or so guns already in place? The only fix is to make people not want to shoot each other. Might take another couple thousand years. When the invasion of the New World started, a very large proportion of the world’s gun nuts settled here. Gonna take a while to breed that out.

144 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:55:40am

re: #135 Political Atheist

We have what is generally agreed to be very strong very effective laws about guns, and some very specific rules about the most powerful semi auto rifles.

We have covered this ground a lot. My take today is that we have to accept that the law of the land leaves room for the law abiding to have and use guns for defense, hunt and sport. That will inevitably mean we can not have a law so powerful it will stop ever desperate violent or deranged person from getting a gun (or worse) and killing, whether it be one person or a big spree shooting.

Once we have a set of strong laws like here in Los Angeles, you might start to think what makes us so violent (in general as a society) as to commit mayhem by whatever is at hand. So of it is obvious. Gang and theft gun crimes. Some sub5tle, the ordinary man that somehow snaps.

Guns make lethal violence too easy. I don’t find it a fair assumption that if we put lots more guns in far less violent places they would become as violent as we are. But I am certain that if we can kindly intervene in the cases of the mentally ill, or that live a lifestyle like the gangs, or do something about that drug war we will be making moves in a very helpful direction.

You make some very good points.

145 blueraven  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:56:09am

re: #44 Gus

RT: @CharlieKayeCBS #BREAKING: Law enforcement source tells @CBSNews the LAX shooter was an off-duty TSA agent.
— CBS Los Angeles (@CBSLA) November 1, 2013

tweet deleted?

146 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:56:49am

I have just been told I have to drive my wife to several places around town.

Have no fear, I will be back.

Sometime.

I hope.

147 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:57:13am

re: #145 blueraven

tweet deleted?

I still see it on his TL

148 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:57:18am

re: #145 blueraven

tweet deleted?

Yep, that’s what it looks like when a tweet is deleted.

149 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:57:30am

re: #145 blueraven

tweet deleted?

Shooter described earlier as “US citizen, early 20s, male.”

150 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:57:59am
151 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:59:41am
152 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:59:47am

re: #134 Targetpractice

The news in this country is a joke anymore.

The worst part is, the half-true and completely untrue things that get reported because some local reporter talked to a ‘source’, and then tweeted it, become part of What People Know about an event, and then officials have to answer stupid questions about those three guys in turbans seen running from the scene, or what did the guy do with the flamethrower sources reported him having.

153 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:59:52am

re: #144 b_sharp

Thank you.

154 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:00:08pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

How easy is it to cross into CA from AZ or NV? Just as easy as driving down the Interstate.

States with lax gun laws have higher rates of firearms fatalities than those with strong laws, which happens to include CA.

NY and other Northeastern states routinely find firearms obtained from out-of-state are involved in crimes - many from VA and PA, where obtaining firearms is easier than in NY.

155 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:02:03pm

re: #154 lawhawk

How easy is it to cross into CA from AZ or NV? Just as easy as driving down the Interstate.

States with lax gun laws have higher rates of firearms fatalities than those with strong laws, which happens to include CA.

NY and other Northeastern states routinely find firearms obtained from out-of-state are involved in crimes - many from VA and PA, where obtaining firearms is easier than in NY.

To be fair, you MAY be asked if you’re carrying any fruit.

156 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:02:10pm

re: #154 lawhawk

How easy is it to cross into CA from AZ or NV? Just as easy as driving down the Interstate.

States with lax gun laws have higher rates of firearms fatalities than those with strong laws, which happens to include CA.

NY and other Northeastern states routinely find firearms obtained from out-of-state are involved in crimes - many from VA and PA, where obtaining firearms is easier than in NY.

And we can’t forget all the methods that skirt the laws for getting a gun. Some of that may even occur within the states with the tougher laws.

157 blueraven  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:02:19pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

That is correct. Please forgive my earlier skepticism on that point.

But again, that rifle and that 30 round magazine were already illegal for civilian ownership in California.

What if this guy had access to that rifle as a part of his job with the TSA?

It has not been confirmed at all that he is, or ever was a TSA employee.

158 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:02:41pm

re: #152 GeneJockey

The worst part is, the half-true and completely untrue things that get reported because some local reporter talked to a ‘source’, and then tweeted it, become part of What People Know about an event, and then officials have to answer stupid questions about those three guys in turbans seen running from the scene, or what did the guy do with the flamethrower sources reported him having.

Ayep. And every report of such that later gets recanted turns into part of the conspiracy theory tapestry, as they try to weave together a story about how a TSA agent went nuts and the government hushed it up to keep the “sheep” in line.

159 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:03:56pm

re: #157 blueraven

It has not been confirmed at all that he is, or ever was a TSA employee.

I thought Dark Falcon wasn’t into speculation.

160 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:04:42pm

re: #157 blueraven

But it appeared as if he was when I posted that.


Again, this something I hate about this kind of occurrence. Way too much speculation happens.

161 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:04:55pm

re: #157 blueraven

It has not been confirmed at all that he is, or ever was a TSA employee.

The other point I’d make is that many gun owners would consider themselves to be law abiding even when they violate the law by owning a particular kind of gun or magazine. They don’t shoot other people or use them in crimes, so they consider themselves law abiding.

Thus, the point that he was a law-abiding gun owner right up till he very suddenly stopped abiding by the law is apt.

162 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:05:34pm

re: #159 ObserverArt

I thought Dark Falcon wasn’t into speculation.

I try to avoid it, but don’t always succeed. I’m only human, after all.

163 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:06:39pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

I try to avoid it, but don’t always succeed. I’m only human, after all.

OT, but D_F, there’s a documentary series you might enjoy……if you can understand German.

It’s called “Goodye, DDR”. A four-part history of East Germany.

164 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:09:39pm

Investigation into Los Angeles airport shooting will be led by FBI; supported by airport police, LAPD - @LAX_Official

165 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:11:52pm

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

Investigation into Los Angeles airport shooting will be led by FBI; supported by airport police, LAPD - @LAX_Official

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Good. The FBI is good at getting to the facts of the matter and what they release can be relied upon.

166 ausador  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:12:36pm

The airport police chief in the press conference denied that they had any current information that the suspect was a current or ex TSA employee.

So again the 24 hour rule shows its efficacy….

167 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:12:40pm

re: #161 GeneJockey

The other point I’d make is that many gun owners would consider themselves to be law abiding even when they violate the law by owning a particular kind of gun or magazine. They don’t shoot other people or use them in crimes, so they consider themselves law abiding.

Thus, the point that he was a law-abiding gun owner right up till he very suddenly stopped abiding by the law is apt.

And a lot of Americans consider too much law-abidin’ a Bad Thing. We are the children of convicts, bootleggers, pot-growers, firework smugglers and Methodists.

168 blueraven  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:13:33pm

On MSNBC
Eyewitness: Shooter asked if I was TSA

169 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:14:52pm
170 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:15:07pm

re: #167 Decatur Deb

And a lot of Americans consider too much law-abidin’ a Bad Thing. We are the children of convicts, bootleggers, pot-growers, firework smugglers and Methodists.

Well I approve of fireworks smuggling, because I love things that go “BOOM!”, but I frown upon bootlegging because alcohol consumption can lead to dancing.

//

171 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:15:40pm

re: #168 blueraven

On MSNBC
Eyewitness: Shooter asked if I was TSA

Young, white male asking people if they’re TSA.

LONE WOLF!!!

172 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:16:21pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

“Enhance! Zoom in! Enhance! Now, check that serial number against the database!”

173 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:17:58pm

re: #167 Decatur Deb

And a lot of Americans consider too much law-abidin’ a Bad Thing. We are the children of convicts, bootleggers, pot-growers, firework smugglers and Methodists.

Is a gun owner who speeds on the freeway still a law-abiding gun owner?

174 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:20:00pm

re: #173 GeneJockey

Is a gun owner who speeds on the freeway still a law-abiding gun owner?

I’m going to say “yes”. ‘Law-abiding’ in my mind allows for minor traffic offenses.

175 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:20:59pm

re: #173 GeneJockey

Is a gun owner who speeds on the freeway still a law-abiding gun owner?

Probably depends on his mood and the attitude of the state trooper.

176 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:23:10pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to say “yes”. ‘Law-abiding’ in my mind allows for minor traffic offenses.

So, where do you draw the line? My point is that the NRA types would consider a CA gun owner who owns a gun that’s legal in AZ but not CA to still be law-abiding.

177 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:23:38pm

OT:

Next stop, SCOTUS:

Obamacare Birth Control Mandate Struck Down By Appeals Court

WASHINGTON (AP) — A divided appeals court panel is siding with Ohio business owners who challenged the birth control mandate under the new federal health care law.

The business owners are two brothers who say the mandate to provide contraceptive coverage would make them violate their Roman Catholic beliefs.

The ruling Friday by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit is one of many on the birth control issue, which likely will be resolved by the Supreme Court.

The appeals court panel says the mandate limits the right of free exercise of religion.

The brothers are Francis and Philip M. Gilardi. They say they don’t want to provide contraceptives like the Plan B pill for their employees. The Gilardis own Freshway Foods and Freshway Logistics of Sidney, Ohio.

178 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:23:54pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

Probably depends on his mood and the attitude of the state trooper.

So, you’re only a criminal if you get caught?

179 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:25:00pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

OT:

Next stop, SCOTUS:

Obamacare Birth Control Mandate Struck Down By Appeals Court

This is such fucking bullshit.

180 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:25:10pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

OT:

Next stop, SCOTUS:

Obamacare Birth Control Mandate Struck Down By Appeals Court

That’s fucked up. When did employers gain the authority to direct how employees spend their compensation?

181 blueraven  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:25:21pm

re: #171 Targetpractice

Young, white male asking people if they’re TSA.

LONE WOLF!!!

Well, it seems he was targeting TSA

He could be current or former disgruntled TSA
or someone who has a grievance against TSA
or just another mental case

182 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:25:33pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Well I approve of fireworks smuggling, because I love things that go “BOOM!”, but I frown upon bootlegging because alcohol consumption can lead to dancing.

//

My dad did a little bootlegging back in the day. Also an uncle by marriage was, also; he eventually opened a liquor store in SC. Lots of bootlegging in the south which had more dry counties than not, in spite of State laws which permitted it.

In fact, in this county, only the county seat allowed ABC stores and beer and wine sales within town limits. The rest of the county finally joined in about 5-6 yrs ago, permitting ABC stores, beer & wine sales (including bars), but they still don’t sell beer and wine until noon on Sunday, and ABC stores are closed on Sun. You can’t order a mixed drink, either. When I first moved up here, it was only a 5-10 min trip up to the next county to buy beer & wine, and frequent the ABC store across the st from the supermarket. It wasn’t exactly getting with modern times that the law was changed in this county, it was the taxes that were collected from permitting those sales that finally budged the county commissioners. Money trumped the “immorality” of selling alcohol.

183 Skip Intro  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:26:15pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

And that matters not a single bit. It’s laughably easy to get these weapons in America, and local laws are a joke.

San Francisco is considering passing another tough gun law. It won’t make the least bit of difference, because you can always cross the bridge to Oakland or Richmond and buy your weapon there.

Until there are uniform federal laws regarding guns, “local laws” don’t mean a damn thing.

184 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:26:24pm

re: #180 GeneJockey

That’s fucked up. When did employers gain the authority to direct how employees spend their compensation?

When Senate Repubs succeeded in filibustering 3 appointments to the court, leaving a 5-3 conservative majority.

185 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:26:57pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

OT:

Next stop, SCOTUS:

Obamacare Birth Control Mandate Struck Down By Appeals Court

I think they’ll lose. It’s part of the market place, and violates religious restrictions on commerce.

186 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:27:03pm

re: #178 GeneJockey

So, you’re only a criminal if you get caught?

No, you’re demonstrably a criminal if you pull out your Glock instead of your sovereign citizen hand-lettered driver’s license. Except in your own mind and that of your citizens’ grand jury.

187 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:27:04pm

HURR HURR!!!!!!

188 ausador  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:27:37pm

The suspect was wounded!

The suspect was killed!

The suspect is in critical condition in hospital!

The suspect died in hospital!

No he didn’t.

Yes, he did.

No, he didn’t.

Yes, he did.

No, he didn’t.

I think I’ll wait a while on this one and then check back for reliable information with confirmation. It seems as though national media has decided for the next five minutes or so that he isn’t dead yet, time will tell.

189 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:28:34pm

re: #188 ausador

The suspect has been identified as Schrodinger’s cat.

190 Skip Intro  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:28:50pm

re: #151 Kragar

That tweet is worth 1000 updings.

191 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:29:05pm

re: #184 Targetpractice

When Senate Repubs succeeded in filibustering 3 appointments to the court, leaving a 5-3 conservative majority.

And when we stopped considering benefits to be part of compensation. Now they’re a gift bestowed on the unworthy employee by the benevolent employer. Hence “I pay for it, so I get to decide”.

192 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:29:45pm

Hard to tell but it looks a lot like a Ruger Mini 14 with an ATI Strikeforce stock.

193 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:30:15pm

re: #189 Kragar

The suspect has been identified as Schrodinger’s cat.

I always knew there was a finite probability that bastard would snap. Too much time in the box.

194 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:30:18pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

OT:

Next stop, SCOTUS:

Obamacare Birth Control Mandate Struck Down By Appeals Court

What a load of horseshit. I bet those same brothers think women should pay higher insurance premiums because they give birth.

195 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:30:42pm

re: #191 GeneJockey

And when we stopped considering benefits to be part of compensation. Now they’re a gift bestowed on the unworthy employee by the benevolent employer. Hence “I pay for it, so I get to decide”.

(cough) single payer (cough)

196 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:31:07pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

Whatever it is, expect them to fly off the shelves now because fucking America.

197 Skip Intro  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:31:15pm

re: #188 ausador

The suspect was wounded!

The suspect was killed!

The suspect is in critical condition in hospital!

The suspect died in hospital!

No he didn’t.

Yes, he did.

No, he didn’t.

Yes, he did.

No, he didn’t.

I think I’ll wait a while on this one and then check back for reliable information with confirmation. It seems as though national media has decided for the next five minutes or so that he isn’t dead yet, time will tell.

Do you have any foreign sources we could look to? We all know now that American news is the worst in the first world.

198 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:31:37pm

re: #195 Decatur Deb

(cough) single payer (cough)

Your mouth to FSM’s ear-equivalent noodle.

199 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:31:57pm

re: #185 Justanotherhuman

Unless Roberts and the socon wing decides that corporations have religious rights too…

This ruling should be struck down, because as you say, it’s part of compensation for the employee, who gets to choose how to spend their benefit.

200 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:32:26pm

re: #197 Skip Intro

Do you have any foreign sources we could look to? We all know now that American news is the worst in the first world.

Well, there’s the British Tabloid press. Weren’t they claiming it was Gen. Michael Hayden who was shot?
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201 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:33:20pm

HURR HURR

202 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:33:49pm

re: #198 GeneJockey

Your mouth to FSM’s ear-equivalent noodle.

His Semiolinaness is about to loose his spray-tan. Kraft Foods ios reducing the cheese-colorant in mac n cheese.

203 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:34:30pm

re: #189 Kragar

The suspect has been identified as Schrodinger’s cat.

Cats don’t need guns. They have plenty of weapons attached to their bodies already.

/Just having fun with the theme.

204 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:34:48pm

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR

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That’s funny, because I’ve actually carried guns through that “Gun-Free-zone” on several occasions. At SFO, for example.

205 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:35:28pm

re: #199 lawhawk

Unless Roberts and the socon wing decides that corporations have religious rights too…

This ruling should be struck down, because as you say, it’s part of compensation for the employee, who gets to choose how to spend their benefit.

Should be struck down, but could very well be upheld. Wouldn’t shock me that they try argue something like business owners being the ones who negotiate the plans, and so much sign off on birth control coverage. Thing that they won’t consider is that they’ll effectively be setting precedent that any business owner can choose to fuck with more than just birth control in the name of “religious freedom.”

206 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:35:39pm

I had someone tell me awhile back that if everyone had Logan airport had been armed, they could have stopped the 9/11 hijackers before they ever got on the plane.

This apparently despite the fact that NO ONE KNEW they were hijackers until AFTER they got on the planes!

207 EPR-radar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:36:14pm

re: #95 ObserverArt

I had posted this two flights of stairs down. I want to repeat it again.

America is going to grow real tired of this, if it isn’t not now. Since the Aurora Colorado shootings the occurrences have gained speed. The gun backers better get out in front of this politically or they are going to get run over and they may not like what happens. The lack of concern by the NRA types is really pissing people off. If they made some movements to help with the problem they would be seen in a whole different light than they are now.

The ‘helpfulness’ of the NRA and GOA et al. in the wake of these shooting incidents is perhaps the only thing capable of putting the second amendment itself on the table for repeal.

208 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:36:15pm

HURR HURR
And the wingnuts know that this is an “Obama supporter” just how exactly? The same “logic” that lets Pamela Geller know he is a “Muslim”?

209 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:36:50pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

Cats don’t need guns. They have plenty of weapons attached to their bodies already.

/Just having fun with the theme.

Step 1) get them used to me rubbing myself against their legs

Step 2) lure them to the top of the stairs

210 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:37:00pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

Should be struck down, but could very well be upheld. Wouldn’t shock me that they try argue something like business owners being the ones who negotiate the plans, and so much sign off on birth control coverage. Thing that they won’t consider is that they’ll effectively be setting precedent that any business owner can choose to fuck with more than just birth control in the name of “religious freedom.”

What’s more expensive: Birth control or raising a child?

Also, I feel the need to mention AGAIN that women do take birth control for purposes other than simply not wanting babies.

211 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:37:30pm

re: #208 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR
And the wingnuts know that this is an “Obama supporter” just how exactly? The same “logic” that lets Pamela Geller know he is a “Muslim”?

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He was in California. Duh.

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212 erik_t  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:37:44pm

re: #208 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR
And the wingnuts know that this is an “Obama supporter” just how exactly? The same “logic” that lets Pamela Geller know he is a “Muslim”?

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Repetition of narrative is how a Republican thinks facts are generated.

213 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:39:11pm

re: #212 erik_t

Repetition of narrative is how a Republican thinks facts are generated.

1) Create “facts” to fit your narrative
2) ignore all evidence to the contrary.
3) repeat until people are tired of arguing with you.

214 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:39:20pm

Quick, look shocked, everybody:

What You Need To Know About The Severely Conservative Judge Who Just Ruled Against Birth Control

Senate Democrats waged an unsuccessful effort to filibuster Judge Brown’s nomination during the Bush Administration — largely because of her strident opposition to programs such as Social Security — but that filibuster was eventually defeated after Republicans threatened to invoke the so-called “nuclear option” to eliminate filibusters of judicial nominees. The deal that allowed Judge Brown to be confirmed also paved the way for Judge Priscilla Owen’s nomination. Yesterday evening, Judge Owen authored an opinion reinstating a Texas anti-abortion law blocked by a lower court judge.

215 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:39:39pm
216 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:40:48pm

re: #206 Eclectic Cyborg

I had someone tell me awhile back that if everyone had Logan airport had been armed, they could have stopped the 9/11 hijackers before they ever got on the plane.

This apparently despite the fact that NO ONE KNEW they were hijackers until AFTER they got on the planes!

This seems to be a wingnut meme.

217 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:41:23pm

re: #208 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR
And the wingnuts know that this is an “Obama supporter” just how exactly? The same “logic” that lets Pamela Geller know he is a “Muslim”?

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The link doesn’t say what he says it says. Nothing about the shooter being a TSA agent, let alone an Obama supporter.

More Lies for Christ, I suppose.

218 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:41:35pm

DERP DERP

219 ausador  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:41:38pm

re: #208 Vicious Babushka

Obama supporter (and a TSA agent) kills 1 at #LAX Airport.

Except that the police are flatly denying that the shooter has any current or past connection to the TSA according to all the evidence so far.

220 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:42:58pm

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

This seems to be a wingnut meme.

A bunch of people with guns standing in a circle aiming their guns inward, all in a pressurized airplane 39,000 feet in the air.

What could possibly go wrong?

221 blueraven  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:43:26pm

Pete Williams (NBC), is saying suspect has no direct connection to TSA and has strong anti-government views.

222 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:43:50pm

re: #221 blueraven

Pete Williams NBC is saying suspect has no direct connection to TSA and has strong anti-government views.

FALSE FLAG!
/

223 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:44:12pm

re: #213 Kragar

1) Create “facts” to fit your narrative
2) ignore all evidence to the contrary.
3) repeat until people are tired of arguing with you.

You need factites to support your thruthiness.

224 Skip Intro  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:44:15pm

re: #219 ausador

Except that the police are flatly denying that the shooter has any current or past connection to the TSA according to all the evidence so far.

Well, that’s what they would say, so it just proves that it’s true. (From the Book of Wingnut Logic, Chapter 2).

225 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:44:35pm

re: #219 ausador

Except that the police are flatly denying that the shooter has any current or past connection to the TSA according to all the evidence so far.

This is EXACTLY what I was talking about above. One ‘source’ tells someone something, it gets tweeted worldwide, and now it’s part of Wingnut Accepted Truth. Any denial or refutation is now part of the coverup.

226 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:44:41pm

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

What’s more expensive: Birth control or raising a child?

Birth control because it killz baybeez! All those fetus lined uteri need to be protected!

Also, I feel the need to mention AGAIN that women do take birth control for purposes other than simply not wanting babies.

LIES! Only sluts use birth control so they can have sex without consequences!

227 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:44:58pm

re: #222 Kragar

FALSE FLAG!
/

LONE WOLF!

228 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:46:13pm

re: #227 Targetpractice

LONE WOLF!

FALSE WOLF!!!! ER, I MEAN… LONE FLAG!!!! DAMMIT!!

229 b.d.  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:46:13pm

re: #221 blueraven

Pete Williams (NBC), is saying suspect has no direct connection to TSA and has strong anti-government views.

SO THIS IS OBAMA’S FAULT!

230 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:46:42pm

I want a gun that shoots cats with guns.

231 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:46:44pm

re: #227 Targetpractice

LONE WOLF!

Or, “It’s a floor polish AND a dessert topping!”

232 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:47:32pm

A lot cheaper than your ins. co-pay. This guy was a real GP—reminds me of the British series, Doc Martin—except of course, he was National Health.

Five-dollar-a-day doc of Illinois retires at age 88

usnews.nbcnews.com

“For 58 years, the doctor was in, charging just five dollars per visit in the small town of Rushville, Ill.

“Now, the man whose services cost so little but who was treasured so much by his community has closed his doors and retired for good.

“Dr. Russell Dohner has been mending broken bones and easing aches and pains at his clinic in Rushville since 1955. On Friday, the clinic closed permanently when Dohner, 88, decided to hang up his stethoscope and signature fedora hat for the last time.”

233 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:47:46pm

re: #221 blueraven

Pete Williams (NBC), is saying suspect has no direct connection to TSA and has strong anti-government views.

[lukeskywalker]NO! THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE!![/lukeskywalker]

234 aagcobb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:47:47pm

re: #194 Lidane

What a load of horseshit. I bet those same brothers think women should pay higher insurance premiums because they give birth.

I bet they definitely think out-of-wedlock pregnancies should be excluded from coverage.

235 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:47:47pm

No doubt about it, the young white male was actually a jihadi all along.

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236 geoffm33  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:47:55pm

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR

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Christ how many would be dead or wounded if everyone and their mother was packing?

237 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:48:55pm

re: #234 aagcobb

I bet they definitely think out-of-wedlock pregnancies should be excluded from coverage.

But Viagra should be covered, don’tcha know.

238 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:49:01pm

re: #232 Justanotherhuman

A lot cheaper than your ins. co-pay. This guy was a real GP—reminds me of the British series, Doc Martin—except of course, he was National Health.

Five-dollar-a-day doc of Illinois retires at age 88

usnews.nbcnews.com

“For 58 years, the doctor was in, charging just five dollars per visit in the small town of Rushville, Ill.

“Now, the man whose services cost so little but who was treasured so much by his community has closed his doors and retired for good.

“Dr. Russell Dohner has been mending broken bones and easing aches and pains at his clinic in Rushville since 1955. On Friday, the clinic closed permanently when Dohner, 88, decided to hang up his stethoscope and signature fedora hat for the last time.”

Heh. We have a doctor like that not far from me; there’s a poliklinika just down the road. To see the GP for minor stuff is 100 Kč - about $5.

239 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:49:04pm

re: #236 geoffm33

Christ how many would be dead or wounded if everyone and their mother was packing?

Don’t be silly. Everyone knows that Law-Abiding Gun Owners never miss, their bullets don’t pass through, and they never, ever shoot at the wrong person.
//

240 b.d.  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:49:33pm

re: #233 Dr Lizardo

[lukeskywalker]NO! THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE!![/lukeskywalker]

IF OBAMA WOULD HAVE AGREED TO DEFUND OBAMACARE THAT YOUNG MAN MAY NOT HAVE DONE THIS

241 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:49:51pm

re: #237 Lidane

But Viagra should be covered, don’tcha know.

Men use Viagra for more than sex—like for changing a tire.

242 aagcobb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:50:01pm

re: #208 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR
And the wingnuts know that this is an “Obama supporter” just how exactly? The same “logic” that lets Pamela Geller know he is a “Muslim”?

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When you are a wingnut, whatever you want to be true is, ipso facto, the truth.

243 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:51:05pm

re: #220 GeneJockey

A bunch of people with guns standing in a circle aiming their guns inward, all in a pressurized airplane 39,000 feet in the air.

What could possibly go wrong?

Also: where in the aircraft are a bunch of people able to all gather around?

244 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:51:17pm

re: #208 Vicious Babushka

Since Obama is a dictator and is destroying American and all conservatives, wouldn’t an Obama supporter be pretty happy with the way things were going? /

245 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:51:23pm

Erectile dysfunction is a message from God. Why do men think they can defy the will of God with Viagra?
/

246 aagcobb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:51:36pm

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

What’s more expensive: Birth control or raising a child?

Also, I feel the need to mention AGAIN that women do take birth control for purposes other than simply not wanting babies.

For example, because they are prostitutes.

247 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:51:50pm

re: #243 Vicious Babushka

Also: where in the aircraft are a bunch of people able to all gather around?

The steerage toilets on a TWA to Ben Gurion.

248 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:51:51pm

re: #243 Vicious Babushka

Also: where in the aircraft are a bunch of people able to all gather around?

Why do you think first class is separated?
/

249 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:52:34pm

re: #213 Kragar

1) Create “facts” to fit your narrative
2) ignore all evidence to the contrary.
3) repeat until people are tired of arguing with you.

HURR HURR COHERENT ARGUMENT IS AN ALINSKY TACTIC!!! I’M ON TO YOU COMMIE!!!!11!!!!

250 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:52:42pm

re: #240 b.d.

IF OBAMA WOULD HAVE AGREED TO DEFUND OBAMACARE THAT YOUNG MAN MAY NOT HAVE DONE THIS

We jest, but somewhere out there in the meatworld, some wingnut is very likely actually thinking just that.

251 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:53:01pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

Men use Viagra for more than sex—like for changing a tire.

Or for relaxing on long flights. Heh.

252 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:53:15pm

re: #243 Vicious Babushka

Also: where in the aircraft are a bunch of people able to all gather around?

That’s the United Airliner of the Future, where they simply do a way with seats, and make you stand, tightly packed like Tokyo Subway riders, from New York to LA.

253 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:53:51pm

re: #221 blueraven

Pete Williams NBC is saying suspect has no direct connection to TSA and has strong anti-government views.

This is my shocked face, many faces are like it but this one is mine.

254 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:53:55pm

The suspect is Paul Anthony Ciancia, age 23. Just announced.

255 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:54:39pm
256 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:55:40pm

Oh no, it’s a libertarian.

257 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:55:49pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

The suspect is Paul Anthony Ciancia, age 23. Just announced.

And let every Paul Ciancia in the US start getting shit on …

NOW.
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258 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:56:06pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

Oh no, it’s a libertarian.

FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG!

259 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:57:22pm

Apparently, I’m no longer allowed to walk along the cubes singing “Baby Blue” anymore.

Fascists.

Youtube Video

260 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:57:44pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

Oh no, it’s a libertarian.

Hundreds of librarians get facebook death threats.

261 AlexRogan  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:57:54pm

re: #237 Lidane

But Viagra should be covered, don’tcha know.

It’s “God’s will” when whores women get pregnant (or are prevented from using birth control to not get pregnant), but when RWNJ dudes need help from medical science to get their dicks hard, “God’s will” seems to fall by the wayside real quick.

262 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:58:18pm

re: #261 AlexRogan

It’s “God’s will” when whores women get pregnant (or are prevented from using birth control to not get pregnant), but when RWNJ dudes need help from medical science to get their dicks hard, “God’s will” seems to fall by the wayside real quick.

Funny how that works.

263 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:58:41pm
264 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 12:59:14pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

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Who no doubt once checked out a copy of the Communist Manifesto in 2009, proving he’s a hardcore socialist.

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265 b.d.  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:00:33pm

LIBERTARIANS ARE LIBERALS, NOTICE THE LIB PART THEY HAVE IN COMMON?!?!? DAMN LIBS

266 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:02:03pm

re: #253 goddamnedfrank

Internets won.

267 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:02:06pm

re: #265 b.d.

LIBERTARIANS ARE LIBERALS, NOTICE THE LIB PART THEY HAVE IN COMMON?!?!? DAMN LIBS

Just like National Socialists were Socialists. Its so obvious.
/

268 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:02:21pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

Oh no, it’s a libertarian.

IT’S AN OBAMA VOTER & A DEMOCRAT!!!!!11111!! BECAUSE DEMOCRATZ SUPPORTED SLAVERY IN 1850!!!!11!!!!

269 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:02:41pm

Cue the ‘splodey heads in 3…2…1…

270 ausador  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:02:50pm

re: #237 Lidane

But Viagra should be covered, don’tcha know.

The act of impregnating is a holy one that creates life and follows God’s mandate to be fruitful and multiply.

Impregnation however is an icky process that involves “lady parts” and should never be discussed in polite company. Still God has commanded us to protect the holy sperm that we men dispense to the fallen daughters of Eve.

Taking drugs in order to be able to “dispense” the holy seed is completely different than a drug that prevents that seed from being effective in creating new life.

///

271 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:03:55pm

He had written materials in his possession expressing strong anti-government views.

272 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:04:03pm

How can you tell that the shooter is confirmed as a white guy? His face isn’t plastered all over Drudge. And the Breitbartians are still reporting this as “TSA Agent Shoots Up LAX.”

So yeah, they seem to be in a holding pattern until they can find an anti-Obama angle.

273 blueraven  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:04:44pm

Paul Anthony Ciancia had written anti-government material in his possession, per Pete Williams.

274 ausador  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:05:02pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

Men use Viagra for more than sex—like for changing a tire.

I had a flat tire and I discovered that my jack handle was missing, thank gosh I had my Viagra with me!

/

275 aagcobb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:05:46pm

re: #269 Lidane

Cue the ‘splodey heads in 3…2…1…

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Its correct; stoning pregnant girls is the right way to reduce teenage pregnancies.///

276 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:06:03pm

re: #273 blueraven

Oh

277 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:06:44pm

re: #271 Charles Johnson

He had written materials in his possession expressing strong anti-government views.

Cue the hurt fee-fees as wingnuts whine that it’s not “anti-government,” it’s “patriotic”!

278 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:07:00pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

Should be struck down, but could very well be upheld. Wouldn’t shock me that they try argue something like business owners being the ones who negotiate the plans, and so much sign off on birth control coverage. Thing that they won’t consider is that they’ll effectively be setting precedent that any business owner can choose to fuck with more than just birth control in the name of “religious freedom.”

Businesses by Jehovahs Witnesses would prohibit blood products, transfusions etc. and require bloodless surgeries, etc.

Other religious groups might require faith healing to exclusion of all others.

Still others could demand homeopathy.

279 aagcobb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:07:05pm

re: #271 Charles Johnson

He had written materials in his possession expressing strong anti-government views.

Planted there by the government, no doubt. Probably Alex Jones material to discredit him.//

280 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:07:14pm

re: #271 Charles Johnson

He had written materials in his possession expressing strong anti-government views.

False F0cking Flag!!!11

281 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:08:09pm

re: #274 ausador

I had a flat tire and I discovered that my jack handle was missing, thank gosh I had my Viagra with me!

/

So, you used yourself as a jack or just the handle? It might work both ways.

/Heeheee

282 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:08:38pm

re: #278 lawhawk

Businesses by Jehovahs Witnesses would prohibit blood products, transfusions etc. and require bloodless surgeries, etc.

Other religious groups might require faith healing to exclusion of all others.

Still others could demand homeopathy.

“Boss, my doc says I need a liver transplant, as I’ve developed cirrhosis.”
“And you expect me to let you get coverage? Sorry, but my religion forbides the consumption of alcohol, so I cannot in good conscience agree to a plan that treats the results of excessive alcohol consumption.”
“But I’ve never drank in my life! It’s a genetic condition!”
“Sorry, not my problem, I’ve got rights!”

283 aagcobb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:08:38pm

re: #278 lawhawk

Businesses by Jehovahs Witnesses would prohibit blood products, transfusions etc. and require bloodless surgeries, etc.

Other religious groups might require faith healing to exclusion of all others.

Still others could demand homeopathy.

Only immaculate conceptions would qualify for prenatal coverage./

284 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:08:42pm

Starting to get an “Alex Jones fan” vibe. Yeah, I’m speculating. But he was apparently targeting TSA agents, and this is one of Alex Jones’s most common conspiracy themes.

285 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:09:42pm

re: #277 Targetpractice

Cue the hurt fee-fees as wingnuts whine that it’s not “anti-government,” it’s “patriotic”!

Hey now, being against the shutdown or Republican obstruction is anti-government too!

286 b.d.  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:09:59pm

re: #271 Charles Johnson

He had written materials in his possession expressing strong anti-government views.

HE WAS PROBABALY ONE OF THOSE LIBS THAT HATE TED CRUZ!!1!

287 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:10:06pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

Starting to get an “Alex Jones fan” vibe. Yeah, I’m speculating. But he was apparently targeting TSA agents, and this is one of Alex Jones’s most common conspiracy themes.

Why ever would you think that?

288 aagcobb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:10:12pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

Starting to get an “Alex Jones fan” vibe. Yeah, I’m speculating. But he was apparently targeting TSA agents, and this is one of Alex Jones’s most common conspiracy themes.

And the conspiracy falls into place. How much is the NWO paying you to defame Alex Jones, Charles?/////

289 Shvaughn  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:10:31pm

re: #285 ObserverArt

Hey now, being against the shutdown or Republican obstruction is anti-government too!

Don’t be silly, Republicans have no intent to actually govern the country.

290 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:11:36pm

re: #283 aagcobb

Only immaculate conceptions would qualify for prenatal coverage./

They’d lose too much with repeated end-of-life costs.

291 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:12:18pm

re: #289 Shvaughn

Don’t be silly, Republicans have no intent to actually govern the country.

I won’t be silly if you won’t be logical!

: )

292 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:13:21pm

Eyewitnesses saying this guy was purposefully asking people if they were a TSA agent before opening fire sort of runs contrary to the whole “crazed gunman” storyline.

293 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:15:37pm

Mr Jones just retweeted this:

294 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:16:31pm

re: #293 Kragar

Related:


The fail is strong with this one.

295 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:18:56pm
296 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:19:17pm

re: #294 Lidane

Related:

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The fail is strong with this one.

Well, we got a LO-O-ONG way to go on that. Picture a totalitarian police state where the citizens constantly, and with impunity, complain about the government being too totalitarian.

297 EPR-radar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:19:41pm

re: #292 Targetpractice

Eyewitnesses saying this guy was purposefully asking people if they were a TSA agent before opening fire sort of runs contrary to the whole “crazed gunman” storyline.

This is looking more and more like a stochastic terrorism incident.

298 blueraven  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:20:08pm

Gunman opens fire at LAX, killing TSA worker and wounding others

By Pete Williams, Andrew Blankstein, Erin McClam and Tracy Connor, NBC News

A man carrying anti-government material and an assault rifle shot his way through security at Los Angeles International Airport on Friday, killing one Transportation Security Administration worker, wounding as many as three others and sending terrified travelers diving for cover and fleeing onto the tarmac, authorities and witnesses said.

The gunman, identified by law-enforcement officials as 23-year-old Paul Anthony Ciancia, was shot by law enforcement and taken into custody in critical condition. The motive is not clear but it’s believed he had anti-government views based on written materials he was carrying, the officials said.

Federal officials told NBC News it was unclear whether Ciancia was targeting the TSA or was trying to shoot his way through to get further into the airport. But one witness said the shooter, who calmly walking through the terminal with his weapon, approached him with a one-word question.

“All he said was, ‘TSA?’ Just like that,” Leon Saryan told MSNBC.

299 Shvaughn  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:20:40pm

LA Times, NBC investigative reporter saying that the suspect is not dead, is in critical condition after being shot.

300 b.d.  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:22:50pm

re: #299 Shvaughn

LA Times, NBC investigative reporter saying that the suspect is not dead, is in critical condition after being shot.

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“Mr. Burns was admitted to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead. He was then transferred to a better hospital where his condition was upgraded to ‘alive.’” ―Kent Brockman

301 piratedan  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:25:46pm

re: #294 Lidane

Related:

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The fail is strong with this one.

interesting that Rick Joyner has a direct line to Satan….. ////

302 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:25:46pm

re: #294 Lidane

Satan wants to outlaw teh gay sex and marijuana?

303 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:26:29pm

re: #301 piratedan

interesting that Rick Joyner has a direct line to Satan….. ////

It does explain a lot though.

304 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:27:55pm

re: #295 Charles Johnson

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but of course…

305 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:28:43pm

re: #295 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

From there:

UPDATE: Firedoglake has produced an excellent document advising passengers of the risks of airport screening procedures and their rights vis-a-vis the TSA. It’s in .pdf form and anyone can print it out — either for themselves or to distribute at airports.

I wonder what anti-goverment materials Ciancia had on him.

306 Shvaughn  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:29:01pm

From the NBC News story:

In 2002, an Egyptian national opened fire at the El Al ticket counter at LAX, killing two Israelis before he was shot dead. Authorities ruled it a terrorist incident, even though the shooter was not tied to a known group.

This isn’t a terrorist attack today, though, because only Egyptian nationals and other swarthy types (read: MOOSLEM) can commit acts of terror. //

307 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:29:42pm

The end is nigh my friends.

My wife told me to take her to a couple of places and it turned out the word couple actually meant two in this case.

308 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:35:09pm

re: #297 EPR-radar

This is looking more and more like a stochastic terrorism incident.

Upding for stochastically throwing in the word stochastic.

309 EPR-radar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:52:31pm

re: #308 b_sharp

Upding for stochastically throwing in the word stochastic.

I wasn’t really making a joke. Agitprop about how enemies of society are utterly evil and need to be destroyed will have its effect on a small fraction of people who are susceptible enough to be influenced by this crap, but have not yet been identified as menaces to society.

So the blowhards ranting and raving about the TSA being evil Nazis may have contributed to this shooting.

The canonical example of this is Bill O’Reilly beating the drums on TV for Dr. Tiller to be murdered, which eventually happened.

310 Botsplainer  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:10:09pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

Oh, great - one of the Snowjob/Paulite Dudebros.


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