60 Minutes’ Benghazi “Eyewitness” Was Nowhere Near Terrorist Attack

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A security subcontractor who gave his account to CBS “60 Minutes” of the events leading up to the fatal attack at Benghazi had previously told his employers he was nowhere near the diplomatic compound at the time, according to a Washington Post report.

The Oct. 27 television report was based on a yearlong investigation by reporter Lara Logan and producer Max McCellan and featured an interview with a man identified by the pseudonym “Morgan Jones,” who was described as “a security officer who witnessed the attack.”

A Fox News correspondent said the following day that the network had been working on a story with the same security officer, but those efforts ended when he asked for money in exchange for his participation.

More: Report: Benghazi Witness Was Nowhere Near Diplomatic Compound During Terrorist Attack

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1 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:38:47am
A Fox News correspondent said the following day that the network had been working on a story with the same security officer, but those efforts ended when he asked for money in exchange for his participation.

Oh.

But what did the security officer testify about? That he or she was on the phone with PBO and heard the president say “Let ‘em die!!”?

2 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:40:01am

So, the news is that he’s completely changed his story and can’t be trusted either way? Super.

Oh, that’s not how CBS reported it, is it?

They treated this as though this is the first time he’s telling the story, and ignored that he completely changed the story and wasn’t anywhere near the events on which he’s now speaking.

3 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:41:14am

By the way, on the need to beef up security at American embassies and consulates around world. How is that going? Has Congress appropriated more money?

4 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:43:34am
The security officer’s coauthor told The Washington Post that Davies may have been dishonest in his incident report because his employer had asked him to stay away from the compound after he was told of the attack by telephone.

Who ordered the Stand Down Order????!!!11

5 BusyMonster  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 10:45:41am

re: #3 Bulworth

By the way, on the need to beef up security at American embassies and consulates around world. How is that going? Has Congress appropriated more money?

No, the shutdown was more important. Now, if there had been an attack on Benghazi, which had occurred after the shutdown, that would have been Barack Obama’s personal fault too.

The important thing to understand is that Benghazi is only an issue when we’re talking about Obama, and what the Teabaggers have done about it is irrelevant, because they’re freedumb.

6 missliberties  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:07:14am

I have grown numb to all the misreporting going on of late, but I have to say, this really surprised me. Good gawd lazy media.

The fourth estate needs a swift kick in the ass.

Thank You to the WaPo for committing random acts of actual journalism and exposing this Laura Logan and friends to be wanton hacks.

7 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:29:07pm

re: #4 Bulworth

Who ordered the Stand Down Order????!!!11

WHO ORDERED THE CODE RED?!

8 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:29:32pm

So either he lied to his employers at the time of the attack and why would he do that, or he lied to 60 Minutes and Fox News when he was trying to get paid for an interview.

9 geoffm33  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:29:33pm
10 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:30:01pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

WHO ORDERED THE CODE RED?!

Who ordered the Chef Salad with Ranch Dressing on the side?

11 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:30:14pm

He also punched some g-damn hippy, I mean terrorist person, in the g-ddamn throat. //

12 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:30:53pm

re: #2 lawhawk

So, the news is that he’s completely changed his story and can’t be trusted either way? Super.

Oh, that’s not how CBS reported it, is it?

They treated this as though this is the first time he’s telling the story, and ignored that he completely changed the story and wasn’t anywhere near the events on which he’s now speaking.

So Fox says they dropped this guy like a hot potato when he began begging for money. Then, when confronted with evidence that his version of events is suspect at best, CBS immediately spins it as “He lied then, but not now.” The impression left by such is that they paid his asking price.

13 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:31:06pm

His retelling is quite dramatic, scaling fences and punching people. What a manly man. //

14 Shvaughn  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:31:17pm

Morgan Jones also says that he was a witness to the LAX shooting too. //

15 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:31:43pm

When Fox News refuses to pay for a Benghazi story, that should send up a few red flags.

16 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:32:01pm

re: #9 geoffm33

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I have yet to eat one. I’ve had to stop dropping by the Admin’s desk, though, since she puts out a bowl of the things, and often there are Baby Ruths and Butterfingers.

17 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:32:11pm

CBS News doubling down on the g-damn derp.

18 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:32:44pm

re: #15 Lidane

They don’t need to pay. They just make shit up anyway.

19 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:33:41pm

re: #18 Bulworth

They don’t need to pay. They just make shit up anyway.

Sure, but this guy was offering them prime red meat for their viewers. Paying him for his story should’ve been a no brainer.

The fact they stopped talking to him says a lot.

20 geoffm33  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:33:57pm

re: #16 GeneJockey

I have yet to eat one. I’ve had to stop dropping by the Admin’s desk, though, since she puts out a bowl of the things, and often there are Baby Ruths and Butterfingers.

I think that was the #1 selling combo halloween candy bag this year. Everywhere I go, it’s Baby Ruth and Butterfingers. Nothing else (and I am not complaining).

21 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:34:09pm

re: #14 Shvaughn

Morgan Jones also says that he was a witness to the LAX shooting too. //

And for only $10,000, he’ll tell you all about it! Never mind that he signed a statement saying he was in Cleveland at the time….

22 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:34:35pm

Marvin Jones knows who bugged hacked Sharyl Atkisson’s computer. /

23 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:34:36pm
24 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:34:37pm

re: #17 Bulworth

CBS News doubling down on the g-damn derp.

9 years ago, they got burned badly on a “fake but accurate” story. People either were fired or forced to resign over it. I don’t expect them to show that same level of self-awareness this time around.

25 b.d.  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:34:42pm

Shame, I thought Lara Logan was one of the good ones.

26 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:34:59pm
27 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:35:28pm

Money talks, so he goes to CBS.

And Fox News exhibited more ethics than CBS? How’d that happen? It’s all about the eyeballs, and the CBS willingness to go down this path regardless of the consequences to its reputation (where have we seen that before)….

28 piratedan  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:35:44pm

maybe this isn’t an indictment on the sad state of journalism, but perhaps on the sad state of editorial standards because it certainly appears that we’re living in a world where the rush to be first is valued more than being accurate/correct. It used to be that these asshats would have the courtesy to at least dub this speculation as a preliminary report, nowadays we get “some sources say” which has roughly the same validity as overhearing a conversation made by someone in a uniform somewhere.

29 blueraven  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:36:36pm

re: #8 Kragar

So either he lied to his employers at the time of the attack and why would he do that, or he lied to 60 Minutes and Fox News when he was trying to get paid for an interview.

And apparently he has written a book. Promotion.

30 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:38:56pm

My shocked face…isn’t so shocked.

31 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:38:58pm

re: #29 blueraven

And apparently he has written a book. Promotion.

“Benghazi… Shit, I’m still only in Benghazi…”

32 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:39:24pm

re: #29 blueraven

And apparently he has written a book. Promotion.

How dare you attribute avarice to this brave man who, apparently, scaled a 12 foot wall and hit one of the MOOOOOZLIMS!!! with his rifle butt!!! This man is, apparently, a PATRIOT!!!

33 EPR-radar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:42:47pm

re: #32 GeneJockey

How dare you attribute avarice to this brave man who, apparently, scaled a 12 foot wall and hit one of the MOOOOOZLIMS!!! with his rifle butt!!! This man is, apparently, a PATRIOT!!!

Morgan Jones for prezdint!!! All the way in 2016 !!ty

34 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:47:34pm

Fake name.

Fake account of Benghazi.

What did people expect?

35 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:49:31pm

re: #34 Justanotherhuman

Fake name.

Fake account of Benghazi.

What did people expect?

Better from 60 Minutes.

36 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:49:35pm

re: #34 Justanotherhuman

Fake name.

Fake account of Benghazi.

What did people expect?

Better of CBS. When Fox News avoids a story, that should be a serious red flag.

37 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:51:35pm

re: #25 b.d.

Shame, I thought Lara Logan was one of the good ones.

lol no

Logan was criticized in June 2010 for her remarks about another journalist, Michael Hastings, and her view that reporters who embed with the military ought not to write about the general banter they hear. An article by Hastings in Rolling Stone that month quoted General Stanley A. McChrystal and his staff—comments Hastings overheard while traveling with McChrystal—criticizing U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden and other officials, …Quoting her statement, “I mean, the question is, really, is what General McChrystal and his aides are doing so egregious, that they deserved to end a career like McChrystal’s? I mean, Michael Hastings has never served his country the way McChrystal has.”

The kicker:

Glenn Greenwald of Salon wrote that she had done courageous reporting over the years, but had come to see herself as part of the government and military.

38 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:53:05pm

re: #31 Kragar

I think we have room for one more Internet winner today.

39 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:53:52pm

Throbbing Memo: Truthiness Strikes Back!

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:54:14pm

WTF?

Baton Rouge, La. - A Baton Rouge middle school student allegedly set a teacher on fire but parents say they were never told of the incident.
East Baton Rouge Parish sheriff’s detectives say it happened about three weeks ago at Westdale Middle School.

They say the eighth-grade student lit a substitute teacher’s burqa on fire with a cigarette lighter.

The teacher told investigators she had just reprimanded the child for misbehaving.

Student set Baton Rouge teacher on fire

Edited to fix link

41 Ace-o-aces  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:54:20pm

Morgan Jones saw Obama being born in Kenya.

42 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:55:31pm

re: #38 Bulworth

I think we have room for one more Internet winner today.

“Everyone gets everything he wants. I wanted to DERP, and for my sins, they let me.”

43 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:58:38pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

WTF?

Student set Baton Rouge teacher on fire

Wrong link - you must have had the Australia pic left over in your clipboard.

44 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:58:46pm

re: #33 EPR-radar

Morgan Jones for prezdint!!! All the way in 2016 !!ty

Morgan Jones & Joe Wurzelbacher in 2016!

The world needs real people and not politicians.

Jones Wurzelbacher Campaign 2016
Campaign chairwoman Sarah Palin

45 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:59:12pm

School ordered black student dressed as Jesus to remove his costume because it offended ‘religious sensibilities’

Marshon Sanders, a high school student in Highland Park, Illinois, was removed from class and ordered to change out of his Halloween costume after some in the school complained it was offensive.

Sanders, an African-American, was dressed as Jesus.

“I wanted to be Jesus because I just got baptized and so I felt like, why not?” Sanders told FOX 32 News. “He’s the most influential person in my life.”

Fifteen minutes into his first class, Sanders was called to the dean’s office and “[s]he tells me that my costume was offensive and I was promoting religion.”

The kicker;

“When I asked her what she meant by offensive, she couldn’t tell me,” Angenetta Frison, Sanders’s mother said. “He’s walking around dressed like Jesus, a religious icon. What’s offensive about that?”

“I saw other kids who were dressed as Moses and they were just walking around there fine,” she continued. “I talked to them and they were questioned, but they were never brought down to the dean.”

46 Shvaughn  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 1:59:22pm

40 year old TSA agent killed at LAX is first TSA employee killed in the line of duty, ABC 7 (LA) reports.

47 Shvaughn  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:00:04pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

Morgan Jones saw the student set the teacher on fire.

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:01:20pm

re: #43 Interesting Times

Wrong link - you must have had the Australia pic left over in your clipboard.

Thanks. Fixed it.

Student set Baton Rouge teacher on fire

50 jaunte  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:04:19pm
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) used the “60 Minutes” report to justify calling Monday for additional hearings into Benghazi and threatened to block Senate appointments until lawmakers had heard from all the surviving witnesses to the attack.

Any new words from the Senator?

51 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:04:54pm

Democrats: Donkeys
Republicans: Elephants
Libertarians: Shithouse Rats

52 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:05:52pm

Pass this one bill and lots of the NSA drama goes away forever

53 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:06:05pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

WTF?

Student set Baton Rouge teacher on fire

This is the link you want but WTF.

Baton Rouge, La. - A Baton Rouge middle school student allegedly set a teacher on fire but parents say they were never told of the incident.

East Baton Rouge Parish sheriff’s detectives say it happened about three weeks ago at Westdale Middle School.

They say the eighth-grade student lit a substitute teacher’s burqa on fire with a cigarette lighter.

The teacher told investigators she had just reprimanded the child for misbehaving.

The 14-year-old student was charged with aggravated assault on a school teacher and brought to juvenile detention.

However, parents of other students at the school want to know why the school system didn’t tell them.

School officials did release a statement saying an investigation was conducted and the student was expelled.

The teacher was not seriously hurt.

54 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:06:07pm

re: #50 jaunte

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Any new words from the Senator?

I have a source who till testify that Lindsey bangs Rottweilers while dressed as Little Lord Fauntleroy. Just waiting on the check to clear now.

55 Shvaughn  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:06:57pm

Paul Ciancia…

Ciancia…

CIA-‘n’-CIA

OMG FALSE FLAG!!1!

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56 BongCrodny  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:07:42pm

Completely irrelevant (*ahem*) to any ongoing discussion, “Morgan Jones” is the name of the guy that first helped Rick after the zombie apocalypse in The Walking Dead.

—Trivial Bong

57 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:07:42pm

re: #45 Varek Raith

School ordered black student dressed as Jesus to remove his costume because it offended ‘religious sensibilities’

The kicker;

My son dressed as Jesus on Purim a couple of years ago (when the Mel Gibson movie came out) and people were all like WTF dude…

58 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:08:00pm

re: #55 Shvaughn

Paul Ciancia…

Ciancia…

CIA-‘n’-CIA

OMG FALSE FLAG!!1!

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“ITS SO OBVIOUS AND YOU SHEEPLE CAN’T EVEN SEE IT!”

59 b.d.  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:08:50pm

re: #55 Shvaughn

Paul Ciancia…

Ciancia…

CIA-‘n’-CIA

OMG FALSE FLAG!!1!

///

Actual stuff from FreeRepublic:

Not only does he not have a Facebook account, but there is nothing else on the internet about him. Nothing.

I’m a nobody yet have many references on the web. Most of us have some internet presence unless we actively try to hide it, and that takes some doing.

——-

Crap account. Recent generation. Not real.
The true mystery is this: Who, who is 23 years old, does NOT have a Facebook account???!?

Something stinks. This person is being ‘made up’ out of whole cloth.

61 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:10:22pm

Does Lara Logan have an agenda?

Reporter Lara Logan brings ominous news from Middle East

suntimes.com

“There is this narrative coming out of Washington for the last two years,” Logan said. It is driven in part by “Taliban apologists,” who claim “they are just the poor moderate, gentler, kinder Taliban,” she added sarcastically. “It’s such nonsense!”

“Logan stepped way out of the “objective,” journalistic role. The audience was riveted as she told of plowing through reams of documents, and interviewing John Allen, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan; Afghan President Hamid Karzai, and a Taliban commander trained by al-Qaida. The Taliban and al-Qaida are teaming up and recruiting new terrorists to do us deadly harm, she reports.

(snip)

“Logan even called for retribution for the recent terrorist killings of Christopher Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya, and three other officials. The event is a harbinger of our vulnerability, she said. Logan hopes that America will “exact revenge and let the world know that the United States will not be attacked on its own soil. That its ambassadors will not be murdered, and that the United States will not stand by and do nothing about it.”

62 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:10:52pm

They’re amazed that a nutjob who is scared of the government isn’t on social media?

63 AlexRogan  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:15:07pm

re: #45 Varek Raith

School ordered black student dressed as Jesus to remove his costume because it offended ‘religious sensibilities’

The kicker;

Is it just me or does anyone else think that had this kid looked like White Hippy Surfer Jesus, he wouldn’t have had shit said to him?

64 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:15:33pm

re: #63 AlexRogan

Is it just me or does anyone else think that had this kid looked like White Hippy Surfer Jesus, he wouldn’t have had shit said to him?

*raises hand

65 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:15:52pm

re: #63 AlexRogan

Is it just me or does anyone else think that had this kid looked like White Hippy Surfer Jesus, he wouldn’t have had shit said to him?

Unpossible!

66 simoom  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:17:08pm

“The Unbearable Narcissism of Edward Snowden”

… Snowden fled the U.S. for Hong Kong for the express purpose of leaking his cache of documents to journalists Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras; in an interview with them before he’d been charged with any crimes, he said, “I don’t expect to go home.” At the time, Snowden signaled an awareness that he’d broken U.S. laws against leaking intelligence information, but that doing so was an act of conscience.

In his letter to Ströeble, however, Snowden strikes the pose of a man being framed for crimes he didn’t commit at all. He refers to his leaks as a “public service” and “act of political expression” and contends that “my government continues to treat dissent as defection, and seeks to criminalize political speech with felony charges that provide no defense.” It was, of course, Snowden who opted to defect rather than return to the U.S. to face the government’s charges against him. And Snowden’s suggestion that the U.S. legal system affords him no means to defend himself in a court of law—even as he lives under the protection of the Russian government, which routinely jails critics without trial—is an insult to the intelligence of the citizenry he claims to be serving.

67 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:17:27pm
68 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:18:41pm

Evening Lizardim from the beautiful wild north country. Happy weekend to all the lizards out there in lizardland. How go things in the war on derp?

69 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:20:36pm
70 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:20:38pm

re: #59 b.d.

We have concernzzzzzz

71 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:21:09pm

re: #69 GeneJockey

lolwhuts ++++

72 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:21:14pm
73 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:25:11pm

re: #45 Varek Raith

School ordered black student dressed as Jesus to remove his costume because it offended ‘religious sensibilities’

Because Jesus was clearly a blue-eyed blonde from Real America, don’tcha know.

74 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:25:31pm
75 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:26:06pm

re: #62 Kragar

They’re amazed that a nutjob who is scared of the government isn’t on social media?

Totally, because they are all nutjobs who are scared of the government and they’re all over social media!

76 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:26:46pm

re: #72 Varek Raith

Tennessee man blasts 15-year-old with shotgun for toilet-papering neighbor’s home

Another law abiding, responsible gun owner TM.

Bravely standing his ground while shooting an unarmed kid, too.

77 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:27:08pm

re: #73 Lidane

Because Jesus was clearly a blue-eyed blonde from Real America, don’tcha know.

I say some variant of this every time one of these discussions comes up, but I always envision the real Jesus as a heavily tattooed dude hanging out at the local bar with the drunks and the hookers on Friday nights. He’d probably get thrown out of most churches in America today.

78 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:27:42pm

re: #72 Varek Raith

Tennessee man blasts 15-year-old with shotgun for toilet-papering neighbor’s home

Another law abiding, responsible gun owner TM.

To be fair, he probably did tell the kids to get off the lawn.
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79 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:28:21pm

So while Breitbart has changed the storyline to reflect that it wasn’t a TSA agent who was the shooter, Jones still has it as the headline at PP.

80 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:29:02pm

HURR HURR!!!!!!

81 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:29:39pm

re: #68 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the beautiful wild north country. Happy weekend to all the lizards out there in lizardland. How go things in the war on derp?

Derp chasing is a continual challenge. They pop up everywhere.

Whack-A-Derp!

82 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:30:52pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

Derp chasing is a continual challenge. They pop up everywhere.

Whack-A-Derp!

Needs more dakka.

83 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:31:13pm

re: #80 Vicious Babushka

Confirmed. FACT.

84 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:33:59pm

re: #80 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR!!!!!!

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Yeah, because you have to be a red-diaper baby communard lefty to hate the cops. It’s in their bylaws.

85 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:34:16pm

re: #80 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR!!!!!!

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Does this guy not know the difference between killing and fucking?

I pity his wife.
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86 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:34:39pm

re: #52 Political Atheist

Pass this one bill and lots of the NSA drama goes away forever

By ‘forever’ do you mean ‘until that bill is modified or repealed’?

87 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:34:56pm

re: #77 thedopefishlives

I say some variant of this every time one of these discussions comes up, but I always envision the real Jesus as a heavily tattooed dude hanging out at the local bar with the drunks and the hookers on Friday nights. He’d probably get thrown out of most churches in America today.

I figure he’d look like the Duck Dynasty dudes, but he’d hang out with the guys from Sons of Anarchy to try and be a better influence. Heh.

88 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:35:19pm

re: #79 Targetpractice

So while Breitbart has changed the storyline to reflect that it wasn’t a TSA agent who was the shooter, Jones still has it as the headline at PP.

Because the first things you hear after a big event like this are generally the most reliable.
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89 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:35:52pm

re: #87 Lidane

I figure he’d look like the Duck Dynasty dudes, but he’d hang out with the guys from Sons of Anarchy to try and be a better influence. Heh.

Yeah, pretty much. Jesus was not the fine, upstanding clean-cut Christian everyone makes Him out to be. Too many Christians lose sight of that.

90 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:36:11pm

re: #87 Lidane

I figure he’d look like the Duck Dynasty dudes, but he’d hang out with the guys from Sons of Anarchy to try and be a better influence. Heh.

Image: face-of-jesus-01-0312-mdn.jpg

91 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:36:37pm

re: #87 Lidane

I figure he’d look like the Duck Dynasty dudes, but he’d hang out with the guys from Sons of Anarchy to try and be a better influence. Heh.

Kind of an anti-Ron Perlman? So, you figure Leela Katey Sagal for the Mary role?
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92 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:36:55pm

re: #82 thedopefishlives

Needs more dakka.

Dakka. I had to look that one up! Thank you Urban Dictionary.

93 Mattand  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:37:03pm

Pro tip for CBS and 60 Minutes: if Fox News thinks a source is so unethical and unreliable that they won’t use him, that should be a huuuuuuuge red flag.

94 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:38:11pm

re: #93 Mattand

Pro tip for CBS and 60 Minutes: if Fox News thinks a source is so unethical and unreliable that they won’t use him, that should be a huuuuuuuge red flag.

Okay, so maybe he’s a fake. But the story itself is true!!!
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95 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:38:12pm

The throbbing Benghazi eyewitness.

96 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:38:22pm
97 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:39:01pm

re: #19 Lidane

Sure, but this guy was offering them prime red meat for their viewers. Paying him for his story should’ve been a no brainer.

The fact they stopped talking to him says a lot.

They figured it was liable to blow up in their faces, and in that FNC was correct.

Actually, this mess worked out well for Fox News. They get to look smart and careful for showing this goofball the door, while CBS has ended up with high-profile egg on its face again.

98 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:39:06pm

re: #95 Gus

The throbbing Benghazi eyewitness.

I think I’m starting to get a case of throbbing Benghazi eye.

99 EPR-radar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:39:11pm

re: #54 Kragar

I have a source who till testify that Lindsey bangs Rottweilers while dressed as Little Lord Fauntleroy. Just waiting on the check to clear now.

That’s strange. My unimpeachable source has Chihuahuas instead of Rottweilers, a Marvin the Martian costume and puts Lindsey on the bottom rather then the top.

Real journalism is so taxing, with this difficult business of sourcing facts.

100 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:39:14pm

re: #76 Lidane

Bravely standing his ground while shooting an unarmed kid, too.

Well, someone has to show the little bastards who’s boss. ///

101 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:39:32pm

re: #86 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

By ‘forever’ do you mean ‘until that bill is modified or repealed’?

I mean if the bill passes, there will be less drama, given the terms and nature of the bill. I have no reason to worry about repeal. Heck, it has not passed yet. I truly hope it passes.

102 Mattand  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:39:49pm

re: #94 GeneJockey

Okay, so maybe he’s a fake. But the story itself is true!!!
///

From GeneJockey’s new book: Facts Is Hard: The Guide on How to Think Like a Republican.

103 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:39:54pm

re: #92 ObserverArt

Dakka. I had to look that one up! Thank you Urban Dictionary.

I’ve failed.

/clutches at pearls, swoons

104 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:40:30pm

re: #91 GeneJockey

Kind of an anti-Ron Perlman? So, you figure Leela Katey Sagal for the Mary role?
//

Sure, why not? She’s beautiful. And she could kick some ass. Heh.

105 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:40:53pm

re: #102 Mattand

From GeneJockey’s new book: Facts Is Hard: The Guide on How to Think Like a Republican.”

Nah, “fake but accurate” is a Charles Johnson original.

106 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:41:00pm

re: #103 Kragar

I’ve failed.

/clutches at pearls, swoons

You lacked dakka.

107 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:41:08pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

They figured it was liable to blow up in their faces, and in that FNC was correct.

Actually, this mess worked out well for Fox News. They get to look smart and careful for showing this goofball the door, while CBS has ended up with high-profile egg on its face again.

Disagree. No matter what, until Ailes is gone, FOX will never look smart.

109 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:41:50pm

re: #101 Political Atheist

I mean if the bill passes, there will be less drama, given the terms and nature of the bill. I have no reason to worry about repeal. Heck, it has not passed yet. I truly hope it passes.

You said ‘forever’, though. And why don’t you have reason to worry about repeal or modification? I’m not understanding that. Isn’t that a concern with basically any bill on contentious subject, especially one largely out of the public eye?

110 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:42:01pm

re: #98 GeneJockey

I think I’m starting to get a case of throbbing Benghazi eye.

Are you seeing any globular clusters?

111 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:42:04pm

re: #86 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

By ‘forever’ do you mean ‘until that bill is modified or repealed’?

Do you oppose the bill?

112 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:42:13pm

re: #110 Gus

Are you seeing any globular clusters?

167.

113 Mattand  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:42:24pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

They figured it was liable to blow up in their faces, and in that FNC was correct.

Actually, this mess worked out well for Fox News. They get to look smart and careful for showing this goofball the door, while CBS has ended up with high-profile egg on its face again.

I’ll remember this as Fox News “talent” keeps pushing the Benghazi horseshit anyway.

114 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:42:26pm

re: #78 Kragar

To be fair, he probably did tell the kids to get off the lawn.
///

Actually, the kid wasn’t on his property nor had he engaged in any hostile action. Moreover, the kid is still alive and it looks like there are other witnesses as well.

No, this won’t end well for Mr. Farris. He’s going to lose both his gun and his freedom.

115 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:42:31pm

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

Well, someone has to show the little bastards who’s boss. ///

“Say ‘Trick or Treat’ again. Say ‘Trick or Treat’ again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say ‘Trick or Treat’ one more Goddamn time! “

116 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:42:49pm

re: #111 Political Atheist

Do you oppose the bill?

I haven’t looked at the bill at all, which has absolutely nothing to do with what I’m asking you about why you think the bill would establish something that’d be ‘forever’.

117 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:43:04pm

re: #112 Varek Raith

167.

IQ.

118 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:43:11pm

re: #115 GeneJockey

“Say ‘Trick or Treat’ again. Say ‘Trick or Treat’ again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say ‘Trick or Treat’ one more Goddamn time! “

“The question you oughtta be asking yourself is, ‘Do I feel lucky?’ Well? Do ya, PUNK?!”

119 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:43:24pm

re: #106 Varek Raith

You lacked dakka.

In my defense, I’ve never actually run an Ork war mob.

121 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:44:01pm

re: #109 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You said ‘forever’, though. And why don’t you have reason to worry about repeal or modification? I’m not understanding that. Isn’t that a concern with basically any bill on contentious subject, especially one largely out of the public eye?

First things first. Passage. And then a touch of optimism the bill would survive time well. One thing I especially like. It brings the public eye in by way of an agency that oversees FISA.

122 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:44:55pm

re: #102 Mattand

From GeneJockey’s new book: Facts Is Hard: The Guide on How to Think Like a Republican.

(Actually, I was paraphrasing Dan Rather, who let confirmation bias ruin a reputation he’d spent decades building.)

123 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:45:02pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

Picture of the suspect in the LAX shooting from KCAL 9.

Can’t be the guy, he’s too white!

124 EPR-radar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:45:58pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

They figured it was liable to blow up in their faces, and in that FNC was correct.

Actually, this mess worked out well for Fox News. They get to look smart and careful for showing this goofball the door, while CBS has ended up with high-profile egg on its face again.

More like a case where a competitor to Fox (i.e., CBS) has descended into the gutter where Fox News lives.

Not exactly a positive advertisement for Fox News.

125 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:46:03pm
126 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:46:08pm

re: #99 EPR-radar

That’s strange. My unimpeachable source has Chihuahuas instead of Rottweilers, a Marvin the Martian costume and puts Lindsey on the bottom rather then the top.

Real journalism is so taxing, with this difficult business of sourcing facts.

“Where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom!”

127 EPR-radar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:46:30pm

re: #126 GeneJockey

“Where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom!”

Out of Chihuahuas?

128 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:46:44pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

Picture of the suspect in the LAX shooting from KCAL 9.

Same fuzzy mustache as Snowden. Slacker pose and eyes. He sure looks like a dudebro to me.

129 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:47:26pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Same fuzzy mustache as Snowden. Slacker pose and eyes. He sure looks like a dudebro to me.

The thousand derp stare.

130 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:47:37pm

re: #87 Lidane

I figure he’d look like the Duck Dynasty dudes, but he’d hang out with the guys from Sons of Anarchy to try and be a better influence. Heh.

Or like this guy:

Clarksville pastor lives as a homeless man before installation at Sango UMC

(of course, he’s a Methodist, soooo….)

131 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:47:41pm

re: #121 Political Atheist

First things first. Passage. And then a touch of optimism the bill would survive time well. One thing I especially like. It brings the public eye in by way of an agency that oversees FISA.

Why do you think this bill would change things forever? Is there something about the bill that I’m not getting, or is it just like any other bill, which can be modified, repealed, etc?

The bill seems like a small number of modifications to the intelligence program and doesn’t go nearly far enough, in my estimation, while also being kind of redundant in other ways, having now taken a look at it. Increasing reporting requirements doesn’t matter when congress largely abdicates that role in the first place. Ending bulk collection— I assume they don’t mean that they’re criminalizing bulk collection by the 3rd parties, so I’m not sure how this would work in reality. Say the NSA wants to do a search of everyone who Mr. Ramjet Imaterrorist called during July, and everyone he sent messages to. Would this bill mean that the government had to provide that name to the 3rd party and have them do the search, or what?

132 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:47:47pm

re: #103 Kragar

I’ve failed.

/clutches at pearls, swoons

Sorry Kragar. Is that a term you use a lot and I’ve failed you by not noticing?

I get around and read a lot, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it used. Especially if the most popular use is from gaming.

Strange too that dakka also seems to have some connotations to pot.

I am going to look into this a bit more. My new word/term for the day!

Danke!

133 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:47:56pm

re: #124 EPR-radar

More like a case where a competitor to Fox (i.e., CBS) has descended into the gutter where Fox News lives.

Not exactly a positive advertisement for Fox News.

No, it isn’t. But that’s how it looks to you and I, and we pay more attention to such things than most people.

134 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:48:07pm

re: #120 Varek Raith

As 60 Minutes’ Benghazi Reporting Falls Apart, Fox Gives It Another Thumbs Up

Ooops.

“Even the Liberal CBS News….”

135 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:48:48pm

re: #129 Kragar

The thousand derp stare.

Shades of Dzhkohar Tsarnaev.

136 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:48:51pm

re: #132 ObserverArt

He’s our resident WH guy.

137 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:48:55pm

re: #125 Kragar

[Embedded content]

No no, it’s “Make it so.”

138 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:50:01pm

re: #110 Gus

Are you seeing any globular clusters?

Only of pecans and caramel, covered in chocolate. Lunch was a while back…

139 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:50:18pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

No no, it’s “Make it so.”

That’s for Trekkies, and not all nerds are Trekkies.

140 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:50:33pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Same fuzzy mustache as Snowden. Slacker pose and eyes. He sure looks like a dudebro to me.

You can’t tell by looking. If he smiled, he’d look like a Bronie. With that scowl, he looks suicidal, which he was. Too bad he was motivated to take TSA agents with him.

141 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:50:45pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

That’s for Trekkies, and not all nerds are Trekkies.

Make it sew.

142 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:51:11pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

That’s for Trekkies, and not all nerds are Trekkies.

But Trekkies tend to be nerds.

143 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:51:14pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

That’s for Trekkies, and not all nerds are Trekkies.

And not all Trekkies prefer Picard to Kirk. Just the intelligent ones….

144 piratedan  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:51:39pm

re: #125 Kragar

[Embedded content]

yeah… me and Marie just got married and all we got for it was this lousy free toolbar…../////

145 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:52:16pm


OK. Funny pic. What with the giant bone and all.

146 EPR-radar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:52:28pm

re: #122 GeneJockey

(Actually, I was paraphrasing Dan Rather, who let confirmation bias ruin a reputation he’d spent decades building.)

In a sense, the famous Dan Rather/CBS story on GW Bush really was ‘fake but accurate’. Of course Bush used his connections as best he could. It’s what people with connections do. Given the other available information, it is also incredibly plausible that GW Bush’s service in the air national guard was not a model of diligent attention to duty.

The lie, of course, was the document purporting to prove issues with Bush’s TANG service. Rather really should have smelled a rat with that one.

147 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:52:39pm

re: #144 piratedan

yeah… me and Marie just got married and all we got for it was this lousy free toolbar…../////

heh heh heh - you said TOOLbar - heh heh heh..

148 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:52:45pm

re: #143 GeneJockey

And not all Trekkies prefer Picard to Kirk. Just the intelligent ones….

If it ain’t Harcourt Fenton Mudd, I ain’t interested.

149 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:52:45pm

re: #85 GeneJockey

Does this guy not know the difference between killing and fucking?

I pity his wife.
///

She’s either his ex-wife or his late wife.

150 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:53:14pm

re: #148 Kragar

If it ain’t Harcourt Fenton Mudd, I ain’t interested.

Everything I tell you is a lie.

151 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:53:48pm

re: #149 Vicious Babushka

She’s either his ex-wife or his late wife.

His late ex-wife?

152 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:53:54pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

He’s our resident WH guy.

Ah. Thanks for that.

And with that…time to tune up for the evening jam session. And dinner.

153 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:54:10pm

re: #150 GeneJockey

Everything I tell you is a lie.

Except for that.
And that.
And that.
And that.
And that.
And that.
And that.
And that.

154 EPR-radar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:54:16pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

You can’t tell by looking. If he smiled, he’d look like a Bronie. With that scowl, he looks suicidal, which he was. Too bad he was motivated to take TSA agents with him.

I try as much as possible to avoid judging people by how they look in photographs. I tended to look like an axe murderer when I was photographed in grade school, and time has not improved this situation at all.

155 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:54:30pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

Make it sew.

Bake it so:

156 piratedan  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:55:17pm

re: #153 Varek Raith

Except for that.
And that.
And that.
And that.
And that.
And that.
And that.
And that.

or to cite Nick Lowe… “All men, all men are liars, and that’s the truth”….

157 Mattand  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:55:34pm

re: #150 GeneJockey

Everything I tell you is a lie.

[Obligatory Portal ref]
Don’t forget the cake
[/Obligatory Portal ref]

158 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:55:46pm

re: #155 Lidane

Bake it so:

[Embedded content]

“Number One, there appears to be a problem with the transporter.”

159 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:56:05pm

re: #155 Lidane

Bake it so:

[Embedded content]

160 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:56:47pm

The Bad news: Due to the project from hell using my systems, I have to do 2 days worth of work in 1.

The good news: Due to the project from hell, half my systems are off line and the guy who has to bring them back up won’t be around till next week.

161 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:56:56pm

re: #159 Gus

[Embedded content]

butter… oh myyyyyyyy!

162 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:56:58pm

re: #155 Lidane

Bake it so:

[Embedded content]

I’d watch a Star Trek series with Lobster Picard.

163 piratedan  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:57:24pm

re: #159 Gus

[Embedded content]

“I said TAKE me to Red Lobster, not Make me a Red Lobster!”

164 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:57:29pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

You can’t tell by looking. If he smiled, he’d look like a Bronie. With that scowl, he looks suicidal, which he was. Too bad he was motivated to take TSA agents with him.

Sometimes you just want to go after a dirtbag and calling him a ‘dudebro’ seems to me an appropriate starting degree of contempt. I may be jumping to that conclusion, though.

165 EPR-radar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:57:56pm

re: #162 Varek Raith

I’d watch a Star Trek series with Lobster Picard.

These are the voyages of the Starship Crustacean…

166 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:58:26pm

re: #162 Varek Raith

I’d watch a Star Trek series with Lobster Picard.

Why not Zoidberg?

//

167 Mattand  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:58:39pm

re: #162 Varek Raith

I’d watch a Star Trek series with Lobster Picard.

His American Dad appearances are insane. The writers script the most twisted dialogue for him, and he doesn’t flinch.

168 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:58:48pm

Jean-Luc Homard.

169 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:59:35pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

Why not Zoidberg?

//

Youtube Video

170 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:59:46pm

Also, the Family Guy Episode with the entire TNG cast is a riot.

171 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 2:59:56pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

Why not Zoidberg?

//

Now I want to see Patrick Stewart whooping in the lobster costume.

172 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:00:06pm

re: #50 jaunte

“You can’t hide behind a criminal investigation,” Graham told reporters during a news conference on Capitol Hill.”

Any new words from the Senator?

A statement from spokeswoman Emily Littella is expected shortly.

173 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:00:15pm


Derp.

174 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:00:37pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, the Family Guy Episode with the entire TNG cast is a riot.

SHUT UP WIL!

175 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:01:17pm

MrB_S works out of town all week. He was supposed to be home last night, but then this stupid storm wreaked havoc on the power infrastructure so he had to stay and has been restoring power all day.
Storm hit here around 1 am with just a brief power outage but loads of rain.
Anyway, to wrap up my O/T, here’s

what the clouds looked like this afternoon here in eastern Kentucky

176 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:01:33pm
177 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:02:08pm
178 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:02:15pm

Here’s one for laughs:

Venezuela’s President Nicolas Maduro has accused Twitter of attacking his account and those of several cabinet officials as part of a right-wing plot.

Maduro said late Thursday that the alleged attack was conducted in concert with social networks to provoke unrest and suspend upcoming December 8 municipal elections.

Communications Minister Delsy Rodriguez said nearly 6,600 Maduro followers disappeared from the president’s account in 10 minutes, although she did not specify when the incident too place. As of Friday, Maduro’s official Twitter account had 1.4 million followers.

Rodriguez said her own Twitter account had also been suspended.

“We’ve uncovered a massive attack by the Twitter company and the international right against the accounts of Bolivarian patriots and Venezuelan Chavistas, coming from various parts of the world,” Maduro said.

Maduro should get together with Glenn Greenwald. Oh, the fake conspiracies they could DERP out!

179 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:03:38pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes you just want to go after a dirtbag and calling him a ‘dudebro’ seems to me an appropriate starting degree of contempt. I may be jumping to that conclusion, though.

Apparently he shares the dudebro attitude about the TSA. He very well could be a dudebro. But it’s rare that one can accurately assess a person by looking at him or her. I don’t really object to calling him a dudebro, I just caution against judging a human by its cover. Books are easier.

180 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:03:54pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, the Family Guy Episode with the entire TNG cast is a riot.

Wil Wheaton has somewhat of a cult following among the geek/nerd subculture. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed seeing some of his lesser known roles.

181 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:04:02pm

re: #167 Mattand

His American Dad appearances are insane. The writers script the most twisted dialogue for him, and he doesn’t flinch.

He doesn’t flinch because he does things like this:


The guy is hilarious and clearly enjoys life. Heh.

182 Gus  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:04:18pm
183 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:04:33pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

Here’s one for laughs:

Maduro should get together with Glenn Greenwald. Oh, the fake conspiracies they could DERP out!

Is this another one of those vast conspiracies?

184 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:05:01pm
185 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:05:06pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

Communications Minister Delsy Rodriguez said nearly 6,600 Maduro followers disappeared from the president’s account in 10 minutes

Do fake twitter followers have a subscription deadline?

186 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:06:04pm

re: #131 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Why do you think this bill would change things forever? Is there something about the bill that I’m not getting, or is it just like any other bill, which can be modified, repealed, etc?

The bill seems like a small number of modifications to the intelligence program and doesn’t go nearly far enough, in my estimation, while also being kind of redundant in other ways, having now taken a look at it. Increasing reporting requirements doesn’t matter when congress largely abdicates that role in the first place. Ending bulk collection— I assume they don’t mean that they’re criminalizing bulk collection by the 3rd parties, so I’m not sure how this would work in reality. Say the NSA wants to do a search of everyone who Mr. Ramjet Imaterrorist called during July, and everyone he sent messages to. Would this bill mean that the government had to provide that name to the 3rd party and have them do the search, or what?

The bill appears to me to reduce the most controversial aspects significantly enough to be well worthwhile. Forgive my slight hyperbole “forever”

I’d really like to see the Patriot Act sunsetted entirely, and as you may recall i happen to think lawyers at ACLU are correct when they assert the meta data collection of domestic traffic would no longer be allowed absent the P.A.

Third party data can be dealt with in another bill. This bill is a goo=d step in the right direction.

Do you oppose the bills passage?

187 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:06:47pm

re: #176 Eclectic Cyborg

Wal-mart gears up for Black Friday sales…TOMORROW.

Well, at least their employees will get to put in a full 8 hours that day.

///

188 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:06:59pm

re: #182 Gus

[Embedded content]

$10 says Snowden didn’t write that.

189 Mattand  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:07:14pm

re: #155 Lidane

Bake it so:

[Embedded content]

190 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:07:18pm

re: #182 Gus

Snowden crosses his lower case “d”s with a flourish from his supposed to be “n”?

191 Lidane  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:07:32pm

re: #174 Varek Raith

SHUT UP WIL!

192 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:07:38pm

re: #180 thedopefishlives

Wil Wheaton has somewhat of a cult following among the geek/nerd subculture. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed seeing some of his lesser known roles.

I had to unfollow his tweets ‘cause of dudebroness.

193 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:08:05pm

re: #182 Gus

[Embedded content]

Bizarre and full of shit.

194 Kragar  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:08:24pm
195 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:08:27pm

I’ve loved the Wil Wheaton/Sheldon rivalry on Big Bang Theory.

196 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:08:31pm

re: #183 Eclectic Cyborg

Is this another one of those vast conspiracies?

Wouldn’t you like to know. ;)

197 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:08:52pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

I had to unfollow his tweets ‘cause of dudebroness.

That doesn’t really surprise me. I do like him as an actor, but I never expected him to be much as a person. Sir Patrick Stewart, on the other hand, is a class act through and through, and a very versatile character actor to boot. I literally glowed when I heard his intro voice-acting speech in The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.

198 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:09:11pm

re: #188 Eclectic Cyborg

$10 says Snowden didn’t write that.

But it has a ‘witness’ signature!!!!!!!!!!! Has to be his own personal words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

199 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:09:26pm

BBL

200 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:10:20pm

re: #197 thedopefishlives

That doesn’t really surprise me. I do like him as an actor, but I never expected him to be much as a person. Sir Patrick Stewart, on the other hand, is a class act through and through, and a very versatile character actor to boot. I literally glowed when I heard his intro voice-acting speech in The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.

I’d like to think I’ll have the chance to meet Sir Patrick before he dies. A truly remarkable man.

201 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:11:05pm

re: #198 wrenchwench

But it has a ‘witness’ signature!!!!!!!!!!! Has to be his own personal words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

witness signature doesn’t look Russian enough…

202 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:12:22pm

re: #186 Political Atheist

The bill appears to me to reduce the most controversial aspects significantly enough to be well worthwhile. Forgive my slight hyperbole “forever”

Forever isn’t slight hyperbole, but thank you for confirming you didn’t actually mean it.

I’d really like to see the Patriot Act sunsetted entirely, and as you may recall i happen to think lawyers at ACLU are correct when they assert the meta data collection of domestic traffic would no longer be allowed absent the P.A.

Again, metadata collection has been approved for a very long time via mail covers. What you mean, I think, is metadata related to telephony and internet wouldn’t be allowed. This is possible, but not certain.

Third party data can be dealt with in another bill. This bill is a goo=d step in the right direction.

What we’re talking about is about third-party data, right? What is the bulk collection, otherwise? It is the bulk collected data from the various sources that give them to the NSA, correct?

I’d really like to see the Patriot Act sunsetted entirely, and as you may recall i happen to think lawyers at ACLU are correct when they assert the meta data collection of domestic traffic would no longer be allowed absent the P.A.

Do you oppose the bills passage?

I guess I generally oppose it because it’ll make people think more has gotten done than really has, but I don’t really care about it that much. it seems mostly to be window-dressing. The only bit I really like is the publication of decisions and the presence of someone at the court to argue for privacy, but I’d really have to know more about how those would both work.

My stance is that if you have to use information from a wiretap, you need to disclose that. If that fucks up other investigations, that’s too bad, people have to be able to challenge the conditions of evidence collection. I actually like parallel construction because of that.

This bill does not really bring us any closer to that.

203 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:12:27pm
204 Mattand  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:20:48pm

re: #189 Mattand

205 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:29:11pm

re: #202 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

My slight hyperbole, which I did in fact mean in the sense of a powerful word used to draw attention to the Page works just fine for me thx.

If I read you right you oppose the bill because people misunderstand it’s effect. Isn’t that easily fixed by anyone for themselves, and or by the government itself by way of announcing and updating compliance?

That’s an interesting standard for bills to meet for passage-no one will think it does more than it should or the bill should fail. Despite it’s actual effects under law.

Adding a panel to oversee the FISA court is very significant, IMO. Details matter of course but I grant the benefit of the doubt given who all supports the bill. I doubt the ACLU and all those co sponsors would line up behind mere “window dressing”.

206 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:33:31pm

re: #205 Political Atheist

My slight hyperbole, which I did in fact mean in the sense of a powerful word used to draw attention to the Page works just fine for me thx.

You shouldn’t misrepresent things just to get page clicks. The tactic will backfire on you, and is kind of insulting.

If I read you right you oppose the bill because people misunderstand it’s effect. Isn’t that easily fixed by anyone for themselves, and or by the government itself by way of announcing and updating compliance?

There is nothing easily fixed about informing the public about an extremely abstruse area of law where they don’t have a very good basis of knowledge in the first place, no.

That’s an interesting standard for bills to meet for passage-no one will think it does more than it should or the bill should fail. Despite it’s actual effects under law.

I didn’t say that the bill should fail because people will think it does more than it should despite its actual effects. The actual effects are the main thing I’m concerned about. To put it another way: the way that the bill is worded, it serves to further misinform the public. Congress does not avail itself of information already available to it, so increasing reporting is not going to do jack shit.

Adding a panel to oversee the FISA court is very significant, IMO. Details matter of course but I grant the benefit of the doubt given who all supports the bill. I doubt the ACLU and all those co sponsors would line up behind mere “window dressing”.

Can you please address the most substantive criticism, about 3rd party data? You alleged that this bill wasn’t about 3rd party data collection, but to me, that’s what the bulk data collection is. Can you clarify?

207 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:41:03pm

re: #206 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You shouldn’t misrepresent things just to get page clicks. The tactic will backfire on you, and is kind of insulting.

Misrepresent is far too strong a term. The potential for an end to much of the drama about domestic (non relevant to a specific investigation) metadata collection by the NSA by ending it is real.

There is nothing easily fixed about informing the public about an extremely abstruse area of law where they don’t have a very good basis of knowledge in the first place, no.

I don’t find this to be so abtruse as to defy efficient education to those that care enough to pay attention. Those that don’t, well I’m unconcerned.

I didn’t say that the bill should fail because people will think it does more than it should despite its actual effects. The actual effects are the main thing I’m concerned about.

Okay you simply have less confidence in the bills (edit ) language than I do.

Can you please address the most substantive criticism, about 3rd party data? You alleged that this bill wasn’t about 3rd party data collection, but to me, that’s what the bulk data collection is. Can you clarify?

Do you mean as in the NSA having metadata as collected by ISP’s? Or other nations? I need more detail to address this. .

208 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:47:10pm

re: #207 Political Atheist

Misrepresent is far too strong a term.

No, it’s not. This bill will not change anything forever. That is an absolutely false claim. Absolutely, in every way, false.

The potential for an end to much of the drama about domestic (non relevant to a specific investigation) metadata collection by the NSA by ending it is real.

It may or may not be, depending on what it actually means by ‘ending’ it.

I don’t find this to be so abtruse as to defy efficient education to those that care enough to pay attention. Those that don’t, well I’m unconcerned.

Most of those who pay attention to this, I’ve found, don’t actually understand the issues involved. This isn’t a scientific study or anything, but 0 out of ten of the people who I’ve talked to about the subject have known what pen registers are, or mail covers, or how they relate to metadata collection.

Okay you simply have less confidence in the bills (edit ) language than I do.

I have no idea what you mean by this. What ‘confidence’ do you have in the bills ‘language’ that I don’t?

Do you mean as in the NSA having metadata as collected by ISP’s? Or other nations? I need more detail to address this. .

I’m talking about the meatadata collected by the phone companies and the email et al. providers, the ones currently giving their bulk data to the NSA. I’m assuming this bill doesn’t criminalize the companies collecting that data themselves but just forbids handing it over to the NSA.

So I’m saying, what happens when the NSA has a legitimate query? Do they hand the query over to the 3rd parties? Do they then, when they have a query, receive the entire bulk for the time period they want to search?

209 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:58:06pm

re: #208 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No, it’s not. This bill will not change anything forever. That is an absolutely false claim. Absolutely, in every way, false.

You are quibbling, but whatever.

I have no idea what you mean by this. What ‘confidence’ do you have in the bills ‘language’ that I don’t?

You used the phrase “window dressing” which is a term that implies little or no real effect. I have confidence in the bill itself that there will be substantial worthwhile changes if it passes. I have some good references or links if you like that agree as mentioned above.

I’m talking about the meatadata collected by the phone companies and the email et al. providers, the ones currently giving their bulk data to the NSA. I’m assuming this bill doesn’t criminalize the companies collecting that data themselves but just forbids handing it over to the NSA.

I’d have to do some reading and or make a couple calls to address that in detail. Pass for now. I’ll take a shot at the next question.

So I’m saying, what happens when the NSA has a legitimate query? Do they hand the query over to the 3rd parties? Do they then, when they have a query, receive the entire bulk for the time period they want to search?

We talked about “relevance” before in the context of meta data collection that is relevant to a specific investigation. As I understand it, and how the author Sensebrenner has described it-relevance is the key to whether the data should be collected. If and when it has relevance as the author intended, not in the IMO ridiculously broad context they get away with now-No problem. With relevance get the data. Without it, the answer would be collection not authorized.

210 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 3:59:16pm

BBIAB, gotta close out some work and get on home.

Obdi this thread is fading shall we take this to the relevant Page?

211 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 4:11:30pm

re: #209 Political Atheist

You are quibbling, but whatever.

It’s really not quibbling. It really is dishonest in an especially pointless way to declare that a law will change something forever, and it immediately raises the idea (which is untrue) that you don’t know how laws work if you think that it can have an affect that lasts forever. The hyperbole is pointless, serves only to make yourself look more biased and less intelligent than you are, and you shouldn’t do it.

You used the phrase “window dressing” which is a term that implies little or no real effect. I have confidence in the bill itself that there will be substantial worthwhile changes if it passes. I have some good references or links if you like that agree as mentioned above.

We talked about “relevance” before in the context of meta data collection that is relevant to a specific investigation. As I understand it, and how the author Sensebrenner has described it-relevance is the key to whether the data should be collected. If and when it has relevance as the author intended, not in the IMO ridiculously broad context they get away with now-No problem. With relevance get the data. Without it, the answer would be collection not authorized.

This is not an answer to my question. Let me rephrase it:

Right now, Google, Verizon, et al. collect and store metadata on their users. Right now, they pass along databases of that metadata to the NSA, after some filter has already been applied. The NSA then performs a search in that data of their particular target, and those targets connection.

The bill says that it will end bulk data collection by the NSA. I am asking how it will achieve this, while preserving the ability to actually do searches. How would it work, under the new system, if the NSA wants to do a search, which is approved, on Mr. Madcow Burnitalldown’s email and phone records? Would the NSA give that person’s name to the 3rd parties, or would it request all the metadata from the time period they’re interested in and then do the search?

You seem to be saying you don’t actually know the answer to this and will have to look into it and make some calls. This means, then, that you don’t actually understand how this bill would operate?

212 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 5:09:26pm

re: #211 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This means, then, that you don’t actually understand how this bill would operate?

Not like the authors and cosponsors do. So I would defer to their explanation rather than my own understanding.

I understand what the sponsors say it does. If you think they are wrong or deceptive in some way maybe you can show me where. I can easily imagine from the description and what the ACLU page says that the NSA will be barred from storing such data absent good cause, or relevance.

Do you see something to the contrary?

213 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 5:19:53pm

re: #211 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s really not quibbling. It really is dishonest in an especially pointless way to declare that a law will change something forever, and it immediately raises the idea (which is untrue) that you don’t know how laws work if you think that it can have an affect that lasts forever. The hyperbole is pointless, serves only to make yourself look more biased and less intelligent than you are, and you shouldn’t do it.

If the NSA is stopped from certain controversial practices, why would there be any continuing drama about those actions ever again? On what basis would anyone object? At what point in the future does the drama as I described apply again? Where then exactly is any dishonesty? This feels like a pointless waste of time discussing the use of the term.

In 100 years this is likely all forgotten, and we have that continuing lack of drama about it. ditto for further on in time. But in any case your objection is noted, I’ll likely remember this moment as I choose my next headline to generate interest in a Page.


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