1 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 5:15:46pm

Those drums are smokin’.

2 jaunte  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 5:27:45pm

Nightfall in central Texas, and the frogs down by the lake are going nuts.

3 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 5:29:52pm

Whoops, wrong topic.

4 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 5:32:33pm

Youtube Video

5 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 5:37:23pm

Later, lizards.

6 Stanley Sea  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 5:54:49pm
7 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 5:59:08pm

Ladies and germs, I give you … my brand new kitchen faucet. All brass fittings, no plastic. Should last a while. (It was actually cheaper a few days ago.)

Premier 120161LF Sonoma Lead-Free Pull-Out Kitchen Faucet

8 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:01:37pm

This one got better reviews than the $1200 carbon one I was on the brink of buying, so I changed my mind. cough

9 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:03:17pm

Plastic fittings are Satan’s little helpers, in a kitchen faucet. That’s what wore out on the current one. Evil satanic plastic.

10 Lidane  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:04:43pm

I should know better than to get involved in any discussion about the ACA on Facebook. The wannabe libertarian derp is powerful.

11 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:05:45pm
12 The Mountain That Blogs  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:06:40pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

But remember—no one but the NSA is looking in on you.

13 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:07:20pm
14 jaunte  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:07:25pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Google Ads need a “purchase completed” button.

15 Teukka  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:08:47pm

re: #10 Lidane

I should know better than to get involved in any discussion about the ACA on Facebook. The wannabe libertarian derp is powerful.

Try different derp in different media. I was involved in a discussion about Voter ID laws in red states on another forum. Hilarity ensued.

16 Lidane  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:08:59pm

Gotta love the so-called anarchist libertarian who swears that there’s no such thing as a social contract because he didn’t sign one, but that colonial America was the greatest thing ever and the Founders were geniuses.

Never mind the fact that the Founders were heavily influenced by the social contract theory of writers like Locke and Rousseau. The social contract doesn’t exist at all because people now haven’t signed or agreed to anything.

Also, the libertarian ideal of anarchy has never been successful because people are too stupid and lazy to let it happen. Or something.

*headdesk*

17 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:09:32pm

I have a confession to make, one which may get my geek license revoked. Until this week, I’d never sat down and watched either Predator or Highlander all the way through.

18 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:12:19pm

re: #10 Lidane

I should know better than to get involved in any discussion about the ACA on Facebook. The wannabe libertarian derp is powerful.

Libertarianism will only work if the vast majority of people make decisions rationally. It has been shown in dozens of research papers people make decisions emotionally and seldom in their own best interests. People are too easily swayed by charismatic leaders including those leading corps.

A libertarian world would lead to a small minority of wealthy people and a large majority of poor consumer/workers with a large gap in incomes. Most of those who have jumped on the libertarian bandwagon would find themselves being filtered down not up.

19 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:12:48pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Plastic fittings are Satan’s little helpers, in a kitchen faucet. That’s what wore out on the current one. Evil satanic plastic.

Better living through chemicals!

20 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:13:03pm

re: #10 Lidane

I should know better than to get involved in any discussion about the ACA on Facebook. The wannabe libertarian derp is powerful.

I feel the same way every time I let myself get sucked in by the usual suspects when commenting at NPR. There’s about a half dozen who are always there and always spouting their variations on the Derp. One is a Hayek and “Natural Rights spouting “True Believer” Libertarian, one reminds me of DF but without the self-awareness and honesty, one just spews whatever the latest talking point is while refering to anyone responding to him with child versions of their names (Billy for me, as an example), and so on. You’d think that NPR being the US “Pravda” they wouldn’t want to be associated with it but there they are, trolling away. And, alas, I find myself suckered in more often than not. Though it was fun telling the libertarian that Adam Smith would slap him for his mischaracterization of Smith’s works…

21 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:14:37pm

re: #16 Lidane

Gotta love the so-called anarchist libertarian who swears that there’s no such thing as a social contract because he didn’t sign one, but that colonial America was the greatest thing ever and the Founders were geniuses.

Never mind the fact that the Founders were heavily influenced by the social contract theory of writers like Locke and Rousseau. The social contract doesn’t exist at all because people now haven’t signed or agreed to anything.

Also, the libertarian ideal of anarchy has never been successful because people are too stupid and lazy to let it happen. Or something.

*headdesk*

Accepting the benefits of living in a society such as ours is signing the contract.

22 jaunte  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:14:48pm

re: #16 Lidane

the libertarian ideal of anarchy has never been successful

Pesky reality keeps intervening.

23 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:14:58pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

I have a confession to make, one which may get my geek license revoked. Until this week, I’d never sat down and watched either Predator or Highlander all the way through.

What are you?

24 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:15:05pm

re: #18 b_sharp

Libertarianism will only work if the vast majority of people make decisions rationally. It has been shown in dozens of research papers people make decisions emotionally and seldom in their own best interests. People are too easily swayed by charismatic leaders including those leading corps.

A libertarian world would lead to a small minority of wealthy people and a large majority of poor consumer/workers with a large gap in incomes. Most of those who have jumped on the libertarian bandwagon would find themselves being filtered down not up.

If I wish to see a libertarian world taken to its logical conclusion, I just play Bioshock. It’s easy enough to understand: When you have a system that “rewards” you based upon how much of a dick you can be to your fellow man, which actually penalizes charity and benevolence, then what you end up with is effectively feudalism.

25 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:15:29pm

re: #23 b_sharp

What are you?

What are *you*?

26 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:16:03pm

re: #16 Lidane

Gotta love the so-called anarchist libertarian who swears that there’s no such thing as a social contract because he didn’t sign one, but that colonial America was the greatest thing ever and the Founders were geniuses.

Never mind the fact that the Founders were heavily influenced by the social contract theory of writers like Locke and Rousseau. The social contract doesn’t exist at all because people now haven’t signed or agreed to anything.

Also, the libertarian ideal of anarchy has never been successful because people are too stupid and lazy to let it happen. Or something.

*headdesk*

Oh, yeah. They only believed in “Natural Rights” don’t you know? I told the last one I ran into to read Smith & Locke. He said he had in getting his PolySci/Econ degree. After disparaging their academic standards, I simply suggested he try reading them again because he missed a wee bit the first time.

27 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:16:58pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

What are *you*?

Moldy.

28 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:17:13pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

I have a confession to make, one which may get my geek license revoked. Until this week, I’d never sat down and watched either Predator or Highlander all the way through.

Highlander is a pretty decent movie. Pity they never made a sequel … (whistles).

Predator, well, I wasn’t much impressed.

29 Lidane  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:17:45pm

re: #21 b_sharp

Accepting the benefits of living in a society such as ours is signing the contract.

I pointed that out and got this for a response:

Still not a social contract. A contract requires that two or more parties agree on something, be it verbally, in writing, etc… I’m not going to argue semantics though, because it wouldn’t be beneficial to either of us or the discussion at large.

I laughed and decided to just move on.

30 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:18:04pm

re: #21 b_sharp

Accepting the benefits of living in a society such as ours is signing the contract.

Yep. And taxes are simply membership dues. Don’t want to pay? The boarder is that way… ;)

31 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:18:51pm

re: #28 William Barnett-Lewis

Highlander is a pretty decent movie. Pity they never made a sequel … (whistles).

Predator, well, I wasn’t much impressed.

Shut. Up.

32 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:19:02pm

re: #29 Lidane

I pointed that out and got this for a response:

I laughed and decided to just move on.

That’s one to give a link to the “24 Types” comic before ignoring though.

33 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:20:11pm

re: #29 Lidane

I pointed that out and got this for a response:

I laughed and decided to just move on.

The idea of a social contract is generally lost on libertarians. They pay lip service to it, to the very foundation of America, but in the end only wish to abide by it when they personally benefit. I’ve been laughing at one try to convince me that judicial review is a power that only the states possess and how the Supreme Court usurped that power.

34 jaunte  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:20:32pm
35 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:22:14pm

It seems to me the people who swallow libertarianism tend to read only far enough to find a juicy tidbit and then refuse to follow the idea to its logical conclusion given the reality of human nature.

36 makeitstop  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:25:20pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Plastic fittings are Satan’s little helpers, in a kitchen faucet. That’s what wore out on the current one. Evil satanic plastic.

I don’t even engage the wingnuts on FB any more. 101% impervious to facts and reason.

Now I just read their posts and marvel at the toxic mixture of sheer bitterness, entitlement and victimhood. It must really be exhausting to be that pissed off all the time.

37 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:26:27pm

re: #35 b_sharp

It seems to me the people who swallow libertarianism tend to read only far enough to find a juicy tidbit and then refuse to follow the idea to its logical conclusion given the reality of human nature.

Libertarianism appeals to so many of them for one simple reason: It’s a political philosophy that enshrines self-importance. That sees government as a necessary evil to “protect their rights,” but want no part of a government that actually has the power to do so. They want all the sorts of goodies that come with living in a modern democracy, but none of the costs or obligations. And they want to believe that the “free market” is a benevolent god who grants their wishes because it wants to, not because they pay it to.

38 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:26:38pm

re: #36 makeitstop

I don’t even engage the wingnuts on FB any more. 101% impervious to facts and reason.

Now I just read their posts and marvel at the toxic mixture of sheer bitterness, entitlement and victimhood. It must really be exhausting to be that pissed off all the time.

You don’t argue with satanic faucets?

39 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:27:04pm

re: #38 b_sharp

You don’t argue with satanic faucets?

I tried once, but all I got was wet.

40 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:28:42pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

The idea of a social contract is generally lost on libertarians. They pay lip service to it, to the very foundation of America, but in the end only wish to abide by it when they personally benefit. I’ve been laughing at one try to convince me that judicial review is a power that only the states possess and how the Supreme Court usurped that power.

Their command of history and American civics tends to be pretty weak. Political philosophy of the 18th century may as well be ancient Hittite to them, because they don’t accept the fundamental idea that humans are responsible for each other’s welfare — that’s what we call society. Libertarians have this naive idea that each person looking out for himself will somehow create a healthy and harmonious society.

41 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:30:03pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

I tried once, but all I got was wet.

I get attacked on occasion by our satanic shower head when it leaps off the holder as I pull up the valve.

42 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:30:41pm
43 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:33:13pm

re: #41 b_sharp

I get attacked on occasion by our satanic shower head when it leaps off the holder as I pull up the valve.

Did it also suggest that you eat the delicious, yet forbidden fruit hanging on yonder tree?

44 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:34:38pm

re: #43 wheat-dogghazi

Did it also suggest that you eat the delicious, yet forbidden fruit hanging on yonder tree?

Those aren’t forbidden fruit, those are bats.

45 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:35:22pm

Oy. I’m just going to leave this one here… Bernhard Goetz busted for selling pot

46 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:35:29pm

re: #40 wheat-dogghazi

Their command of history and American civics tends to be pretty weak. Political philosophy of the 18th century may as well be ancient Hittite to them, because they don’t accept the fundamental idea that humans are responsible for each other’s welfare — that’s what we call society. Libertarians have this naive idea that each person looking out for himself will somehow create a healthy and harmonious society.

The naive part about it all is that they believe society works best when everyone looks out for themselves, but also believe that those who have little and are in need of help can will be taken care of through charity. If everyone is concerned only of themselves, how can there be charity?

47 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:36:37pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

The naive part about it all is that they believe society works best when everyone looks out for themselves, >but also believe that those who have little and are in need of help can will be taken care of through charity. If everyone is concerned only of themselves, how can there be charity?

Shut up, that’s why.

48 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:37:21pm
49 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:38:19pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

The naive part about it all is that they believe society works best when everyone looks out for themselves, >but also believe that those who have little and are in need of help can will be taken care of through charity. If everyone is concerned only of themselves, how can there be charity?

And it’s utterly impossible for government to help anyone with anything.

50 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:39:00pm

re: #49 William Barnett-Lewis

And it’s utterly impossible for government to help anyone with anything.

And the “free market” will make everybody wealthier, healthier, and wiser because it’s in its best interests.

51 Stanley Sea  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:41:25pm

re: #45 William Barnett-Lewis

Oy. I’m just going to leave this one here… Bernhard Goetz busted for selling pot

Punk.

52 b.d.  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:42:38pm

[NSA] Through our snooping we have found out that Charles Johnson is no longer a leaker [/NSA]

53 jaunte  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:43:30pm

re: #44 b_sharp

Those aren’t forbidden fruit, those are bats.

Also vorbatten.

54 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:45:08pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

The naive part about it all is that they believe society works best when everyone looks out for themselves, >but also believe that those who have little and are in need of help can will be taken care of through charity. If everyone is concerned only of themselves, how can there be charity?

That type of society would have severe crime problems, even more than what plagues the US now.

The idea that a lazy-fair free market economy would leave few without work is naive. Aside from the fact that the US is part of a global economy, corporations are profit based meaning the profits have to keep increasing. The only way that can happen is if the cost to produce goes down as competition stabilizes or reduces prices. If regulations go the way they want, monopolies will force prices up.

55 Lidane  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:45:45pm

re: #49 William Barnett-Lewis

And it’s utterly impossible for government to help anyone with anything.

Also, people don’t have a moral obligation to follow laws from a criminal government, but somehow society is going to stick together and not descend into anarchy if we let people pick and choose which laws to follow.

56 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:47:12pm
57 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:48:30pm
58 Kragar  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:49:33pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I twittered a backdoor once, but she asked me to stop.

Youtube Video

59 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:49:34pm

re: #52 b.d.

[NSA] Through our snooping we have found out that Charles Johnson is no longer a leaker [/NSA]

Depends.

60 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:58:37pm

I am so bored I’m seriously considering going to Twitter.

Help me.

Actually I should go down and fix my mill.

61 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:59:39pm

re: #58 Kragar

I twittered a backdoor once, but she asked me to stop.

[Embedded content]

You’re disgusting.

I’m proud to call you friend.

62 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:04:20pm

re: #16 Lidane

Also, the libertarian ideal of anarchy has never been successful because people are too stupid and lazy to let it happen. Or something.

*headdesk*

This cartoon nicely categorizes the various species of libertarians.

63 sagehen  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:04:41pm

re: #34 jaunte

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Let me guess… his driver’s license says Jim and his birth certificate says James?

64 jaunte  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:06:29pm

re: #63 sagehen

His TDL had expired; they wanted a birth certificate.

65 jaunte  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:07:57pm

Texas once more saved from the looming specter of voter fraud.

66 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:08:15pm
67 Kragar  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:10:26pm

Bryan Fischer shoots self in foot, thinks he is winning


So that would mean the majority would be heterosexual abuse then.

68 GeneJockey  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:15:41pm

I got into a conversation with a libertarian on FB. In fact I’ve gotten into several. What I notice most is an extreme avoidance of ‘follow through’ in his thinking, which I think is common to libertarians.

For example, I was comparing libertarianism to communism as something that only works until one person figures out how to gain an advantage. With communism, it’s the guy who figures out that it doesn’t matter how hard he works, he still gets the same stuff. With libertarianism, as soon as one guy figures out how to exploit somebody else, the exploitation will just keep growing.

“But that’s what people don’t get about liberarianism!” he whinged, “Nobody has the right to exploit anyone else!”

So, I asked, what mechanism exists in libertarianism to stop them?

*crickets.*

Another time, he was going on and on about how he didn’t want the government involved in his healthcare. I said that he was then presumably okay with anyone selling anything they want to, claiming it to be a cure for whatever they wish.

“That’s not a healthcare issue! That’s a labeling issue!”

Of course, libertarians also don’t believe in government being involved in labeling, either.

The best part is, he turns out to be a veteran, eligible for Single Payer, Government Managed healthcare, who wants to deny access to something nowhere near as good to tens of millions of his fellow citizens, because freedom, I suppose.

69 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:20:19pm

re: #67 Kragar

Bryan Fischer shoots self in foot, thinks he is winning

[Embedded content]


So that would mean the majority would be heterosexual abuse then.

He thinks that since the percentage of gays in general society is lower than 34% his numbers show a gay bias in sexual abuse.

He’s distorting the definition of homosexual in order to prove his point.
He’s also making a statistical error and milking an informal logical fallacy.

70 GeneJockey  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:22:06pm

re: #69 b_sharp

He thinks that since the percentage of gays in general society is lower than 34% his numbers show a gay bias in sexual abuse.

He’s distorting the definition of homosexual in order to prove his point.
He’s also making a statistical error and milking an informal logical fallacy.

No True Scotsman Straight Guy would bugger a little boy!
///

71 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:23:00pm

re: #68 GeneJockey

I got into a conversation with a libertarian on FB. In fact I’ve gotten into several. What I notice most is an extreme avoidance of ‘follow through’ in his thinking, which I think is common to libertarians.

For example, I was comparing libertarianism to communism as something that only works until one person figures out how to gain an advantage. With communism, it’s the guy who figures out that it doesn’t matter how hard he works, he still gets the same stuff. With libertarianism, as soon as one guy figures out how to exploit somebody else, the exploitation will just keep growing.

“But that’s what people don’t get about liberarianism!” he whinged, “Nobody has the right to exploit anyone else!”

So, I asked, what mechanism exists in libertarianism to stop them?

*crickets.*

Another time, he was going on and on about how he didn’t want the government involved in his healthcare. I said that he was then presumably okay with anyone selling anything they want to, claiming it to be a cure for whatever they wish.

“That’s not a healthcare issue! That’s a labeling issue!”

Of course, libertarians also don’t believe in government being involved in labeling, either.

The best part is, he turns out to be a veteran, eligible for Single Payer, Government Managed healthcare, who wants to deny access to something nowhere near as good to tens of millions of his fellow citizens, because freedom, I suppose.

Poor guy.
Some highly intelligent people have trouble thinking critically.

72 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:25:07pm

But then again, I could be wrong.

73 GeneJockey  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:27:00pm

re: #71 b_sharp

Poor guy.
Some highly intelligent people have trouble thinking critically.

Yep. I knew one guy, pretty good scientist, if a bit of a plodder, who was an Objectivist. He told me that if government got out of the way, the economy would just grow and grow and grow and everything would be wonderful forever.

He didn’t really have a cogent answer for how that would work. This was before the South Park ‘Underpants Gnomes’, but clearly, his thinking was similar.

74 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:28:02pm

re: #16 Lidane

You won’t find much love or understanding for the classical liberal interpretation of social contract theory these days. I was looking for a Chomsky article but the google search “the social contract is dead” illustrates the point better. There’s actually some interesting reading there but I think it essentially boils down to populism. It’s just too easy for people to find a scapegoat enemy who is an unworthy partner of the contract. In Chomsky’s case it is the government and the capitalist system but it could be anyone, Bankers, Jews, minorities, Muslims, Christians or whatever. When people believe the simplistic hyperbole that the other side is evil or unfairly gaming the system then the social contract easily goes out the window.
It also doesn’t help that our education system doesn’t emphasize social contract theory and may not even teach it anymore.

75 sagehen  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:30:47pm

Early warning — tonight’s SNL is hosted by Kerry Washington, musical guest Eminem.

76 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:40:39pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

You won’t find much love or understanding for the classical liberal interpretation of social contract theory these days. I was looking for a Chomsky article but the google search “the social contract is dead” illustrates the point better. There’s actually some interesting reading there but I think it essentially boils down to populism. It’s just too easy for people to find a scapegoat enemy who is an unworthy partner of the contract. In Chomsky’s case it is the government and the capitalist system but it could be anyone, Bankers, Jews, minorities, Muslims, Christians or whatever. When people believe the simplistic hyperbole that the other side is evil or unfairly gaming the system then the social contract easily goes out the window.
It also doesn’t help that our education system doesn’t emphasize social contract theory and may not even teach it anymore.

I think that the schools are focused on stand alone issues such as anti bullying and anti drug that reinforce a positive society.

77 Bubblehead II  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:40:59pm

Night Lizards. I came, I saw and I posted in the pages. Now I bid you a good night. Since I am not feeling glooming tonight. I leave you with this.

Youtube Video

Sleep well and may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

BTW, don’t forget to set your clocks back 1 hr so you can get that added hour of sleep.

78 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:50:41pm

re: #76 prairiefire

I think that the schools are focused on stand alone issues such as anti bullying and anti drug that reinforce a positive society.

Probably. I have no clue how the millennials are going to turn out but I hope they figure some shit out. I think we’ve made a mess of things and have been devoid of innovative social ideas for quite some time. I wish them well.

79 HappyWarrior  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:54:16pm

re: #68 GeneJockey

I got into a conversation with a libertarian on FB. In fact I’ve gotten into several. What I notice most is an extreme avoidance of ‘follow through’ in his thinking, which I think is common to libertarians.

For example, I was comparing libertarianism to communism as something that only works until one person figures out how to gain an advantage. With communism, it’s the guy who figures out that it doesn’t matter how hard he works, he still gets the same stuff. With libertarianism, as soon as one guy figures out how to exploit somebody else, the exploitation will just keep growing.

“But that’s what people don’t get about liberarianism!” he whinged, “Nobody has the right to exploit anyone else!”

So, I asked, what mechanism exists in libertarianism to stop them?

*crickets.*

Another time, he was going on and on about how he didn’t want the government involved in his healthcare. I said that he was then presumably okay with anyone selling anything they want to, claiming it to be a cure for whatever they wish.

“That’s not a healthcare issue! That’s a labeling issue!”

Of course, libertarians also don’t believe in government being involved in labeling, either.

The best part is, he turns out to be a veteran, eligible for Single Payer, Government Managed healthcare, who wants to deny access to something nowhere near as good to tens of millions of his fellow citizens, because freedom, I suppose.

I think what’s surreal about dealing with libertarians for me anyhow as a former huge idealist is dealing with someone with an even more starry eyed pie in the sky way of looking at the world. Now, I’m not saying I agree with that idealism but I think it’s why libertarians can be so hard to debate because they really do seem to believe that everything would be better off in private hands or state/localized. On some of their positions, we’re in absolute agreement but when it comes to economics and foreign policy, I find libertarians very unpractical and heck even on the social issues I agree with them on. Many a libertarian has said to me “Well let’s just keep the government out of marriage” in response to the gay marriage question,, it beats “gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry because religious yada yada” but the fact of the matter is the government IS involved with marriage and has been for some time.

80 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:57:04pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

The Kids Are Alright. A strong emphasis on national, not international needs. Having come up in the Great Recession, they might prove to be a bit more xenophobic. We’ll see. I have no doubt of their talent!!

81 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:57:46pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Probably. I have no clue how the millennials are going to turn out but I hope they figure some shit out. I think we’ve made a mess of things and have been devoid of innovative social ideas for quite some time. I wish them well.

Cognitive studies and neuroscience are giving us a clearer vision of how humans think and are motivated.

We’re in the middle of a change from a philosophical view of human nature to a physical view of human nature and the transition looks messy.

82 Gus  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:05:14pm

Twitter. So far I’ve seen the same pic of Chris Christie over 4 times now and a pic of a cat being skinned alive.

Welcome to the new and improved Twitter.

Pathetic.

83 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:06:05pm

re: #82 Gus

Twitter. So far I’ve seen the same pic of Chris Christie over 4 times now and pic of a cat being skinned alive.

Welcome to the new and improved Twitter.

Pathetic.

Tell me when you see Christie being skinned alive.

84 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:06:34pm

re: #82 Gus

Two more good reasons not to tweet.

85 Gus  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:06:51pm

re: #83 b_sharp

Tell me when you see Christie being skinned alive.

Meh. Christie will win this Tuesday.

86 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:07:15pm

re: #81 b_sharp

Cognitive studies and neuroscience are giving us a clearer vision of how humans think and are motivated.

We’re in the middle of a change from a philosophical view of human nature to a physical view of human nature and the transition looks messy.

Interesting observation. I’ve burned out on political solutions to our social problems, both the system and ourselves are hopelessly broken. I’ve been tending towards more philosophical reading lately, maybe I’ll start exploring what cognitive science is up to these days. Thanks for the tip.

87 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:07:20pm

re: #85 Gus

Probably.

88 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:07:23pm

re: #82 Gus

Twitter. So far I’ve seen the same pic of Chris Christie over 4 times now and pic of a cat being skinned alive.

Welcome to the new and improved Twitter.

Pathetic.

Only a sick fuck would skin a cat alive and only a sicker fuck would post it.

89 Gus  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:08:09pm

With a concurrent fight going on between people I follow.

90 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:08:35pm

re: #83 b_sharp

When I can revive Helen Thomas. //

91 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:09:14pm

re: #90 PhillyPretzel

When I can revive Helen Thomas. //

Please, no.

92 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:10:53pm

re: #91 b_sharp

Okay. I will cancel the call to Dr Frankenstein. /

93 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:11:11pm

re: #92 PhillyPretzel

Okay. I will cancel the call to Dr Frankenstein. /

Thank Glod.

94 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:12:54pm

re: #93 b_sharp

glod??? typo?

95 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:14:07pm

re: #94 PhillyPretzel

glod??? typo?

Terry Pratchett

Edit: missed the ‘arrr’

96 Internet Tough Guy  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:16:47pm

re: #82 Gus

I liked it better when it was called “4chan”.

97 Gus  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:18:11pm

One of the biggest mistakes in my life was getting on the internet in the 90s.

98 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:23:48pm

re: #97 Gus

Hmm. I got on the internet in 2000. It has been very good to me.

99 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:24:32pm

re: #96 Internet Tough Guy

I liked it better when it was called “4chan”.

You win the internet for today.

100 Bubblehead II  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:25:42pm

Sorry, but digging thru my bookmarks, I came across these.

Youtube Video

Cal Smith. look him up.

Oh, by the way.

Youtube Video

BTW, fuck it. I’ll just stayed logged in.

101 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:27:22pm

re: #98 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. I got on the internet in 2000. It has been very good to me.

1986. If you remember The Great Renaming of Usenet, well, that was right after I got online.

Nothing like a VAX VMS student dial-up account :) Especially since everything on the net is Unix, not VMS, oriented … :D

102 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:29:11pm

re: #101 William Barnett-Lewis

I had AO**L dial up at first. It was okay. When I got a chance to go to DSL I did. It is very good.

103 Gus  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:29:21pm

Twitter is like a bunch of 12 year olds.

104 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:30:20pm

re: #103 Gus

With a very bad case of potty mouth. /

105 Gus  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:32:41pm

re: #104 PhillyPretzel

With a very bad case of potty mouth. /

I’ve been dropping some f-bombs since they did the pic preview garbage.

106 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:35:57pm

I am going to take advantage of my one extra hour of sleep. Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

107 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:38:05pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

In Chomsky’s case it is the government and the capitalist system but it could be anyone, Bankers, Jews, minorities, Muslims, Christians or whatever. When people believe the simplistic hyperbole that the other side is evil or unfairly gaming the system then the social contract easily goes out the window.
It also doesn’t help that our education system doesn’t emphasize social contract theory and may not even teach it anymore.

Chomsky’s criticisms are at least directed towards specific entities and institutions that can and do act collectively, with purpose and that have some measure of agency vs. nebulous groupings of actual individuals based purely on some shared physical trait, religion or occupation. Chomsky, rightly or not, pretty much poses a preemptive challenge to anyone who seeks to exert power, and demands that they or their supporters attempt to justify that use of power in advance. That’s a laser like focus compared to the other groups you equate his targets with.

He’s not scapegoating the American capitalist system or the concept of government, but he does want to get money out of politics. If anything he’s pointing out how the social contract has been undermined how it fails groups of actual individuals by maintaining fictions such as corporate personhood.

108 b_sharp  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:49:09pm

Time to bugger off.

109 Lidane  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 10:48:40pm

re: #82 Gus

Twitter. So far I’ve seen the same pic of Chris Christie over 4 times now and a pic of a cat being skinned alive.

Welcome to the new and improved Twitter.

Pathetic.

Another reason to use HootSuite or TweetDeck. I don’t see photos unless I use the actual Twitter site.

110 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:44:48pm

re: #21 b_sharp

Accepting the benefits of living in a society such as ours is signing the contract.

Que: George Michael ~ 2012 OlympicsYoutube Video

111 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:58:15pm

Satanic faucets shoot flames!! Frack-a-doodle-doo!

112 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:45:08pm

Just me?

Pants off, feet up..

113 freetoken  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:45:11pm

Working on a 210 year old mystery about one of my ancestors - namely, the identity her parents.

Long buried secrets, waiting to be discovered.

Which raises the question so applicable to many of our discussions- do we really want the truth?

114 Amory Blaine  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:46:58pm

Whoa!! My #112 comment is 13 minutes earlier than my #111. I need to sit down I’m getting woozy. ~~~~

115 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:48:00pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

And the “free market” will make everybody wealthier, healthier, and wiser because it’s in its best interests.

It will make those richer who deserve to be, and only to the extent they deserve.

/

116 freetoken  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:50:45pm

MP3 Audio

117 freetoken  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:52:58pm

re: #114 Amory Blaine

Temporal displacement

118 Lidane  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:54:10pm
119 freetoken  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 1:27:28am

Creationism hasn’t been much in the news the past couple of days, but that doesn’t mean intentional fantasizing about human origins takes a break.

From the South China Morning Post, a news outlet whose past is tainted with political dirt, and an outlet known for its Chinese nationalism, runs this article under its “Technology” section:

Sediment in Nihewan might hold clues to the first Homo sapiens

That’s a very misleading headline. The article is about some stones discovered, which are reminiscent of early Homo tool-manufacturing, in relatively (for human evolution) old sediments (up to 15 million years old.)

Several problems:

Confusing Homo as a genus and Homo sapiens as a species;
Making the stones recovered as something which they may not be;
Uncritically accepting the dating proposals.

And even if the stones are tools, it is possible that they were made by other animals than Homo. Either another primate, or an extinct genus.

For those not aware, there have been at times debates over human evolution regarding multi-regional origins for H. sapiens, versus a single local population (and exactly where that group was geographically.) Many Chinese believe (as part of their nationalism) that modern humans evolved, either in whole or in part, in China. Various multiregional models have in the past proposed east Asian influences in the path to the current H. sapiens, and Chinese nationalists would glom onto these theories.

Anyway, here is the SCMP playing up to the nationalist Chinese mythology about H. sapiens.

Just a reminder that science propaganda is still propaganda.

120 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 1:36:36am

re: #82 Gus

Twitter. So far I’ve seen the same pic of Chris Christie over 4 times now and a pic of a cat being skinned alive.

Welcome to the new and improved Twitter.

Pathetic.

No true conservatives were harmed in the making of this tweet!

121 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 2:11:42am

re: #119 freetoken

The SCMP tries to walk a fine line between absolutely pro-Hong Kong independence and absolutely pro-reunification with the mainland. Sometimes it’s critical of the Beijing leadership, more than mainland news outlets can be, but not so strident as to invite a crackdown on the editors. In that regard, it tends to suck up to the mainland more than it should as a news outlet. There might even be a party member monitoring the staff. I wouldn’t be surprised.

The Chinese are extremely nationalistic, and I have the feeling that the schools teach students than China was one of the birthplaces of H. sapiens, if not THE birthplace. It’s some sort of compensation for not being rulers of the world, despite 5,000 years of history as a nation. (Actually, that last part is an exaggeration, too, because China has not been a unified nation for all of those 5,000 years, nor were the dominant Han ethnic group the top dogs all that time. It’s just a nationalistic narrative.)

122 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 2:11:53am

re: #111 Amory Blaine

Satanic faucets shoot flames!! Frack-a-doodle-doo!

re: #112 Amory Blaine

Just me?

Pants off, feet up..

Glitch with the time machine.
Sorry for any inconveniences.

123 sagehen  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 3:46:17am

re: #113 freetoken

Working on a 210 year old mystery about one of my ancestors - namely, the identity her parents.

Long buried secrets, waiting to be discovered.

Which raises the question so applicable to many of our discussions- do we really want the truth?

Of *course* you do — any kind of scandal (even a hideous crime) would just add delicious flavor to your bio. (if it was 50 years ago, my answer would be different).

124 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 4:11:54am

Good Morning.

125 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 4:15:52am

re: #124 PhillyPretzel

Good Morning.

prove it

126 Flounder  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 4:48:33am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Ladies and germs, I give you … my brand new kitchen faucet. All brass fittings, no plastic. Should last a while. (It was actually cheaper a few days ago.)

That’s great, did you buy the special tool to install!?
Mwahahahahaha
ha!
Good Morning, don’t waste your extra hour!

127 Flounder  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 4:53:41am

WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT
First photo of shot TSA killer
nypost.com

Toldya it was disturbing.

128 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:08:12am

More of the remains of war.

4,000-pound, World War II bomb forces mass evacuation in Germany

cbsnews.com

129 kirkspencer  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:09:25am

re: #79 HappyWarrior

I think what’s surreal about dealing with libertarians for me anyhow as a former huge idealist is dealing with someone with an even more starry eyed pie in the sky way of looking at the world. Now, I’m not saying I agree with that idealism but I think it’s why libertarians can be so hard to debate because they really do seem to believe that everything would be better off in private hands or state/localized. On some of their positions, we’re in absolute agreement but when it comes to economics and foreign policy, I find libertarians very unpractical and heck even on the social issues I agree with them on. Many a libertarian has said to me “Well let’s just keep the government out of marriage” in response to the gay marriage question,, it beats “gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry because religious yada yada” but the fact of the matter is the government IS involved with marriage and has been for some time.

Face it, most libertarians are just a rebranding of the pseudo-intellectual anarchists of past eras:

“Get rid of all the government, and we’ll all be better off; those who need a hand can rely on man’s altruism.”

130 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:18:46am

re: #129 kirkspencer

Face it, most libertarians are just a rebranding of the pseudo-intellectual anarchists of past eras:

“Get rid of all the government, and we’ll all be better off; those who need a hand can rely on man’s altruism.”

They’re also very rigid in their thinking because they believe they actually have all the answers—at least until they mature and realize they don’t.

Youthful hubris all around, even among the not-so-youthful, like Greenwald.

131 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:24:43am

Haha, I got a warning on the link that it might be junk. Not online in the English version? I will check.*

*Actually, no, it’s not the same.

spiegel.de

Was Greenwald snookered again? : )

132 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:46:53am

“Disturbing” doesn’t begin to describe this.

EBay removes Holocaust memorabilia, apologises

google.com

133 Gus  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:57:20am

Hilarious. I sign in to Twitter and there’s that same pic of Chris Christie. 5 minutes in… the same one again.

134 Gus  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:59:28am

3 times now. Manic.

135 piratedan  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:01:43am

re: #134 Gus

twitter - technology illustrating the herd mentality in 140 characters or less

136 Flounder  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:02:39am

re: #135 piratedan

Neigh!

137 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:04:29am

Image: pepv8.jpg

138 darthstar  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:05:56am

What the fuck?

139 Gus  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:07:02am
140 Gus  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:08:31am

re: #137 Varek Raith

Image: pepv8.jpg

Yeah. That’ll work.

141 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:09:03am

*HEADDESK*

142 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:09:48am

It’s a dark day for babies too Bryan, born to mothers who don’t want them and can’t afford to raise them.

143 piratedan  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:12:49am

re: #142 Vicious Babushka

It’s a dark day for babies too Bryan, born to mothers who didn’t want them and can’t afford to raise them.

no… it’s obvious that all of those mothers will find God and find the strength to raise them with straight heterosexual Christian values, if they’re white. Glory be to God…. ////////////////////////////////////////

144 darthstar  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:14:11am

Interesting read at this link:


Two tidbits to think about:

As of this writing the iPad has only been out two years and yet Apple has had over 45 billion apps downloaded, and most of them in 2012. That’s more than the sum of words humanity has generated in our entire existence as a species, and dwarfs the amount of stars in the sky.

Apps on one hand are the end result of the engineers and mathematicians who midwifed America’s Post World War II technological order - but they are uniquely purposed to end-user purposes. As a conduit for digital information to invade every aspect of modern life, they are scripts that link the way we search for small software solutions to things that we once took for granted,

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:20:52am

re: #131 Justanotherhuman

Haha, I got a warning on the link that it might be junk. Not online in the English version? I will check.*

Der Spiegel devotes its entire issue this week to Germans arguing in favor of asylum for Edward Snowden

*Actually, no, it’s not the same.

spiegel.de

Was Greenwald snookered again? : )

There are plenty of politicians in Germany who see a chance to profile themseles by befriending Snowden. Dudenbroheimers.

146 darthstar  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:24:04am

I have to admit, Princess Ruth Bader Ginsberg is pretty hot.

womenyoushouldknow.net

147 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:24:30am

re: #145 Sol Berdinowitz

There are plenty of politicians in Germany who see a chance to profile themseles by befriending Snowden. Dudenbroheimers.

Yeah, but it’s fun thinking GG is nothing but a naive dumbass in reality.

148 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:27:28am
Dudenbroheimers

Stealing that.

149 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:28:09am

re: #146 darthstar

I have to admit, Princess Ruth Bader Ginsberg is pretty hot.

womenyoushouldknow.net

WTF? “Holocaust Princess”? Those are actually pretty insulting in a deviant sort of way.

150 darthstar  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:32:31am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

WTF? “Holocaust Princess”? Those are actually pretty insulting in a deviant sort of way.

I think the purpose is to show that there are better role models than simply charming brides-to-be - though I agree they could have given Anne Frank a better name than that.

151 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:37:37am

re: #150 darthstar

It’s also a critique of Disney’s cookie-cutter approach to female leads in cartoons: Princess Whatshername.

152 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:42:39am

Princess Kicksyourass.

153 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:55:03am

re: #150 darthstar

I think the purpose is to show that there are better role models than simply charming brides-to-be - though I agree they could have given Anne Frank a better name than that.

No, there are better ways to depict real women who have purpose in their lives. Not by stereotyping them as “princess” in a democratic society anyway. It’s a one-dimensional approach to complicated human beings and I would argue that it’s sexist.

Are famous men described as “princes”? If they’re described as royalty, they’re “kings” first and foremost, not the lesser title of prince.

154 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:57:44am

Warning Russia off?

155 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:00:20am

re: #154 Justanotherhuman


Image: Russian_Air_Force_Ilyushin_Il-20_Naumenko-2.jpg

A tad outdated.

156 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:02:47am

re: #153 Justanotherhuman

No, there are better ways to depict real women who have purpose in their lives. Not by stereotyping them as “princess” in a democratic society anyway. It’s a one-dimensional approach to complicated human beings and I would argue that it’s sexist.

Are famous men described as “princes”? If they’re described as royalty, they’re “kings” first and foremost, not the lesser title of prince.

“Merchant Prince’, “Robber Barons” and mere “Captains of Industry”. Why are we analyzing a blog cartoonist?

157 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:03:38am

re: #156 Decatur Deb

“Merchant Prince’, “Robber Barons” and mere “Captains of Industry”. Why are we analyzing a blog cartoonist?

Because we’re bored.

158 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:05:07am

re: #155 Varek Raith

Image: Russian_Air_Force_Ilyushin_Il-20_Naumenko-2.jpg

A tad outdated.

Looks kitted out for electronic warfare (extra nacelles).

159 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:08:21am

re: #157 Varek Raith

Because we’re bored.

Take something expensive apart and try to put it back together.

160 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:09:30am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Take something expensive apart and try to put it back together.

Let’s compromise;
I’ll blow it up, you put it back together.

161 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:10:57am

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Looks kitted out for electronic warfare (extra nacelles).

A variant of the IL-18 transport, roughly comparable to (and contemporary with) the various EP-3 and EC-130 Elint aircraft used by the US. The canoe fairing is a large side looking airborne radar, used mainly for ocean reconnaissance.

162 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:14:30am

re: #160 Varek Raith

Let’s compromise;
I’ll blow it up, you put it back together.

BTDT.

163 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:19:37am

John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Sea

born on this date

164 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:19:47am

re: #161 Shiplord Kirel

A variant of the IL-18 transport, roughly comparable to (and contemporary with) the various EP-3 and EC-130 Elint aircraft used by the US. The canoe fairing is a large side looking airborne radar, used mainly for ocean reconnaissance.

They are fans of Guns ‘n’ Roses: Use Your Ilyushin!

165 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:21:39am

re: #163 Stanley Sea

John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Sea

born on this date

Happy Birthday. Have a sandwich and watch a Godzilla movie.

166 makeitstop  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:31:31am

re: #163 Stanley Sea

John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Sea

born on this date

Happy Birthday, Stanley Sea! What’s on the agenda?

167 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:33:28am

re: #163 Stanley Sea

John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Sea

born on this date

Congratulations!!

168 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:38:59am

re: #166 makeitstop

Happy Birthday, Stanley Sea! What’s on the agenda?

Thank you! Prob gonna head to the beach. Nothing too extravagant.

169 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:46:09am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Take something expensive apart and try to put it back together.

You mean like a watch? BTDT.

170 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:47:16am

re: #169 GeneJockey

You mean like a watch? BTDT.

Maybe Charles can use some help installing that expensive new faucet…

171 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:52:08am

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe Charles can use some help installing that expensive new faucet…

My wife could help.

She complained for years about our kitchen faucet, and how she wanted a new one, but every time I said, “Let’s buy one and I’ll install it”, she’d say, “Nah, we should get a professional.”

Then I went on a one-week hunting trip to Montana, and when I came back, she’d done the whole thing herself, right down to going out and getting a basin wrench.

172 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:01:05am

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

*HEADDESK*

[Embedded content]

Babies that are going to be clothed and fed and looked after by whom?

Babies that are going to have a how high percentage chance of ending up in “the system”?

Babies whose health care is going to come from where?

Also what about the mothers? Oh right, I forgot, they don’t matter.

173 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:05:28am

re: #167 Decatur Deb

Congratulations!!

Happy birthday!

Also, yesterday was mine. :)
historyorb.com

174 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:14:30am

re: #173 Varek Raith

Happy birthday!

Also, yesterday was mine. :)
historyorb.com

HB brother!

175 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:16:19am

re: #163 Stanley Sea

John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Sea

born on this date

Happy Birthday, and don’t forget to share some cake with Godzilla.

176 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:18:16am

re: #173 Varek Raith

Happy birthday!

Also, yesterday was mine. :)
historyorb.com

Daniel Boone!
Pat Buchanan :-(

177 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:34:34am

Solar eclipse…

178 EmmaAnne  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:47:41am

re: #171 GeneJockey

My wife could help.

She complained for years about our kitchen faucet, and how she wanted a new one, but every time I said, “Let’s buy one and I’ll install it”, she’d say, “Nah, we should get a professional.”

Then I went on a one-week hunting trip to Montana, and when I came back, she’d done the whole thing herself, right down to going out and getting a basin wrench.

You’ve got to watch out for leaving on trips with your spouse at home. They get wild hairs.

179 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:01:00am

Inform all the Dudebros!

“The Fountainhead” just starting on TCM.

180 sagehen  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:01:44am

I went to bed early last night, thinking I could watch SNL on the website.

Eminem apparently didn’t clear his appearances for online. I’m bummed. Anybody know where else I could find them?

181 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:04:09am

re: #152 Varek Raith

Princess Kicksyourass.

That would be me, BTW….

182 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:04:10am

I just talked to my son who said they’ll be commencing work soon on this scam artist’s newest church facility (he calls Furtick the new Jim Bakker) in the Birkdale shopping area of Huntersville, NC (a BR suburb of Charlotte). As you can see, the 16K sq ft house (actually only 8,400 is heated, duh) is still under construction in Waxhaw, NC (another BR suburb of Charlotte). Actually, there will be 2 new beg-a-thon facilities, another located in Ballantyne, a very upscale neighborhood in Charlotte.

charlotteobserver.com

huffingtonpost.com

The Prosperity Gospel! It pays its shills very well.

183 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:21:32am

re: #163 Stanley Sea

John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Sea

born on this date

Happy Birthday, Baby!

184 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:22:27am

re: #183 Dancing along the light of day

Thank you Flo!

185 blueraven  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:23:48am

re: #179 Feline Fearless Leader

Inform all the Dudebros!

“The Fountainhead” just starting on TCM.

OK, the book and movie are stupid, but I love the cheezy stereotypes and the chemistry between Cooper and O’Neal make it worth watching.

186 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:25:03am

re: #184 Stanley Sea

Do something silly, or decadent to celebrate!
Birfdays are for fun!
Sending you an imaginary chocolate cake!
(Or some REALLY good girly porn!)

187 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:32:38am

re: #186 Dancing along the light of day

Do something silly, or decadent to celebrate!
Birfdays are for fun!
Sending you an imaginary chocolate cake!
(Or some REALLY good girly porn!)

Ha! Was thinking of heading to the beach. As the morning progresses I think my lovely friend and I are going to make pizza, drink red wine & watch football. Much more relaxing and all that I love!

188 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:34:00am

How is it today?

I have a confession to make. Hubby and I are trying to clean out the Storage Unit. I brought hone three big bins of quilting and other fabric to donate to a friend I know who sews.

I made the mistake of going thru them to make sure there wasn’t anything that wasn’t fabric in them.

I have now, after 2 weeks, refashioned 4 shirts, made 6 kids hats and 1 pair of mittens for charity and one quilt top from scraps.

Everything is going to the Shelter.

As a result, I haven’t been keeping up on the news. I’m not posting/ranting as much I know you’ve probably enjoyed the reprieve. It will probably continue until the Holidays are in full swing and we need the dining room table for actual dining.

189 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:35:21am

Average cost of a SNAP meal: $1.49.

Average monthly SNAP cut: $36. That works out to 24 fewer meals, or 8 days’ worth which must be paid in cash or from meals made from addtl food bank help. I can make about 8 servings of pasta and marinara sauce (no meat, no cheese, no salad, etc) for about $4, but for one person, that would be monotonous, starchy and lacking in very much protein. You can eat a lot of starchy foods which will fill you up temporarily, but you’ll also be lacking in a lot of nutrition, and you may gain weight as a result.

190 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:35:24am

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

I just talked to my son who said they’ll be commencing work soon on this scam artist’s newest church facility (he calls Furtick the new Jim Bakker) in the Birkdale shopping area of Huntersville, NC (a BR suburb of Charlotte). As you can see, the 16K sq ft house (actually only 8,400 is heated, duh) is still under construction in Waxhaw, NC (another BR suburb of Charlotte). Actually, there will be 2 new beg-a-thon facilities, another located in Ballantyne, a very upscale neighborhood in Charlotte.

charlotteobserver.com

huffingtonpost.com

The Prosperity Gospel! It pays its shills very well.

It’s a great gig tax haven if you can swing it.

191 Lidane  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:35:31am
192 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:36:17am

re: #188 FemNaziBitch

How is it today?

I have a confession to make. Hubby and I are trying to clean out the Storage Unit. I brought hone three big bins of quilting and other fabric to donate to a friend I know who sews.

I made the mistake of going thru them to make sure there wasn’t anything that wasn’t fabric in them.

I have now, after 2 weeks, refashioned 4 shirts, made 6 kids hats and 1 pair of mittens for charity and one quilt top from scraps.

Everything is going to the Shelter.

As a result, I haven’t been keeping up on the news. I’m not posting/ranting as much I know you’ve probably enjoyed the reprieve. It will probably continue until the Holidays are in full swing and we need the dining room table for actual dining.

Lol.

193 Lidane  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:36:52am

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

The Prosperity Gospel! It pays its shills very well.

Joel Osteen agrees.

194 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:36:56am

I keep hearing news stories from others about parents pimping their daughters and getting caught.

Isn’t that historically a sign of poverty more than moral depravity? You sell what you have left. Predators look for those who are vulnerable and pounce.

195 EmmaAnne  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:38:53am

re: #186 Dancing along the light of day

Do something silly, or decadent to celebrate!
Birfdays are for fun!
Sending you an imaginary chocolate cake!
(Or some REALLY good girly porn!)

Girly porn has hot men in it I assume? And the more the merrier.

196 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:41:37am

re: #185 blueraven

OK the book and movie are stupid, but I love the cheezy stereotypes and the chemistry between Cooper and O’Neal make it worth watching.

Unfortunately a lot of people seem to take the book as a reason to believe that it’s “character” and “principles” to be an uncompromising prick with a broomstick stuck up their ass. And to make things worse a chunk of the populace has seen fit to elect some of these to public office.

197 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:44:04am

re: #193 Lidane

Joel Osteen agrees.

He’s getting a bit long in the tooth, though.

Steven Furtick (only 33—dude!) likes to relate to congregations as “our generation” and draws in a lot of young people.

And you thought Sarah Palin was the queen of word salad…

charlotteobserver.com

198 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:44:52am

Image: magnetize_kittens.jpg

Courtesy of the Schlock Mercenary site.

200 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:50:26am

re: #198 Feline Fearless Leader

Image: magnetize_kittens.jpg

Courtesy of the Schlock Mercenary site.

Lol.

201 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:54:49am

re: #195 EmmaAnne

Girly porn has hot men in it I assume? And the more the merrier.

I don’t know about the more the merrier, but well DUH it has a hot man in it!

202 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:55:41am

I iz hot man.
/

203 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:58:39am

re: #201 Dancing along the light of day

I don’t know about the more the merrier, but well DUH it has a hot man in it!

What are they doing? Vacuuming, washing dishes, folding laundry, cleaning the kitchen? I find doing that often puts women in the mood…
///////////

204 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:00:20am

re: #203 GeneJockey

What are they doing? Vacuuming, washing dishes, folding laundry, cleaning the kitchen? I find doing that often puts women in the mood…
///////////

In the mood for what, more cleaning?

205 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:06:58am

re: #204 Iwouldprefernotto

In the mood for what, more cleaning?

Mayhem.

206 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:07:57am

re: #203 GeneJockey

Giggles, I love a man in a uniform!
I also love a man who sails…
Youtube Video

207 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:08:54am

I’ll be completing my final escape and evacuation from Lubbock this week. A small contingent of liberals and rationalists will stay behind for a campaign of subversion and sabotage against the dominant Idiocrat faction, or perhaps because they are just too stubborn to leave.
There is an irony to this: In the 30s and 40s Lubbock was probably the most liberal and progressive city in Texas. Folk in the lynching belt, further south and east, spoke of it in hushed and scandalized tones because, among other things, vigilantes had run the Klan out of town in 1926, the local sheriff had described the newly introduced Thompson sub-machine gun as an ideal anti-lynching measure, and (wonder of wonders) blacks were routinely allowed to vote here. They still lived in rigidly segregated neighborhoods and working class whites would rush their children indoors if blacks appeared on the street, but you can’t have everything.

208 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:15:15am

re: #163 Stanley Sea

John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Sea

born on this date

Happy birthday old man, er.., aging gracefully woman.

209 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:18:13am

re: #171 GeneJockey

My wife could help.

She complained for years about our kitchen faucet, and how she wanted a new one, but every time I said, “Let’s buy one and I’ll install it”, she’d say, “Nah, we should get a professional.”

Then I went on a one-week hunting trip to Montana, and when I came back, she’d done the whole thing herself, right down to going out and getting a basin wrench.

Several years ago, my dad and his wife decided to replace not the faucet but just the washers in the faucet. They didn’t turn the water off. The water pressure soaked the ceiling as well as the floor.

I laughed.

210 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:18:46am

re: #173 Varek Raith

Happy birthday!

Also, yesterday was mine. :)
historyorb.com

Happy belated old dog.

212 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:48:02am

re: #184 Stanley Sea

Thank you Flo!

Happy Birthday, Stanley! And Varek!

213 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:36:18am

re: #146 darthstar

I have to admit, Princess Ruth Bader Ginsberg is pretty hot.

womenyoushouldknow.net

No. Just. No.

214 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:38:31am

re: #146 darthstar

I have to admit, Princess Ruth Bader Ginsberg is pretty hot.

womenyoushouldknow.net

Where is Ayn Rand Princess?

Oh yeah, she’s Cruella DeVille.


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