Brazil Admits Spying on Diplomatic and Commercial Targets

The hypocrisy is getting awfully pungent
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With lots of help from Glenn Greenwald, the Brazilian government has been having a gigantic fit over NSA surveillance. But, uh…. Brazil Acknowledges Spying on Diplomatic Targets.

RIO DE JANEIRO — Brazil’s government acknowledged on Monday that its top intelligence agency had spied on diplomatic targets from countries including the United States, Iran and Russia, putting Brazilian authorities in the uncomfortable position of defending their own surveillance practices after repeatedly criticizing American spying operations.

Brazil’s Institutional Security Cabinet, which oversees the nation’s intelligence activities, contended in a statement on Monday that the spying operations, involving relatively basic surveillance about a decade ago of diplomats and diplomatic properties in Brazil, were “in absolute compliance” with legislation governing such practices.

The statement came in response to a report in the newspaper Folha de São Paulo describing how the Brazilian Intelligence Agency, commonly known as Abin, had followed some diplomats from Russia and Iran by foot and by car, photographing their movements, while also monitoring a commercial property leased by the United States Embassy in Brasília, the capital.

Recently, Greenwald announced on CNN:

“It is not true that every country intercepts the personal communications of their democratically elected allies…”

Maybe not every country — but certainly the one Greenwald lives in.

And for extra added hypocrisy:

Brazilian intelligence officials, for their part, insisted in their statement that Abin’s operations were intended to defend “national sovereignty.” Referring to the revelations in the newspaper report, they also said that the leaking of classified material was illegal and that those responsible for doing so would be held accountable under Brazilian law.

That’s right — Brazil also intends to prosecute the “whistleblowers” who revealed their spying on allies.

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227 comments
1 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:50:58am

Surprised? Umm, no.

2 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:56:47am

Truisms:

Everyone spies.

Everyone hates when their own spying gets outed.

Everyone loves when some other nation is outed for spying, especially when you’re the target nation.

Dudebros have taken this outrageous outrage to 11TY and ignore that the international relations system relies on spying for backstopping decision making at the highest levels - to confirm publicly held positions, to determine whether there’s instabilty, to determine potential or actual threats, and to provide information for decision makers.

To make spying all about the US and the NSA ignores that everyone else is doing it - and not necessarily with the kinds of protections built in for their own citizens (the NSA has restrictions on what it can gather on American citizens inside the US, fewer restrictions on Americans outside the US, and fewer still on what it can gather about everyone else).

3 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:56:59am

At this point the biggest revelation will be the first country that comes out and says they AREN’T spying on anyone.

I mean seriously, this is getting beyond ridiculous. This wouldn’t even be news if it wasn’t for Greenwald and Snowden.

4 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:57:29am

I hate to sound America fuck yeah and all that but Brazil and by extension its most famous American ex-pat resident need to stop acting like the U.S is bad bad for spying on allies. As I mentioned downstairs, the Rosenbergs were convicted of espionage where espionage that occurred while we were allied with said nation. I think Brazil’s government knows that this is just hypocritical bs but they know it helps to bitch about America when there are other things going on.

5 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:01:23am

talkingpointsmemo.com
Well that fucking sucks. Thanks for showing again why you’re as useless as a bag of dicks, Boehner.

6 b.d.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:02:33am

Recall our Ambassador!!!

7 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:03:36am

Tests reveal a distinct lack of herbs in herbal supplements

It’s already a gamble whether herbal supplements will boost your brainpower or ramp up your immune system, but that’s not all you’re rolling the dice on with many pills marketed as “herbal” remedies. Researchers used DNA tests to put herbal supplements through their paces, and found that a third of the 44 bottles were often diluted with or used fillers like soybean, wheat, rice and powdered weeds to totally replace the herbs touted on packaging.

Canadian researchers picked a few popular medicinal herbs and then went out and bought different brands of each kind from stores in Canada and the United States, reports the New York Times. They then used DNA barcoding to figure out what was in each kind, and the findings were a bit startling.

For example: While millions of consumers take echinacea supplements to ward off and treat colds, the researchers found the pills actually contained “ground up bitter weed, Parthenium hysterophorus, an invasive plant found in India and Australia that has been linked to rashes, nausea and flatulence.”

Then there’s St. John’s wort, used to treat mild depression. Two bottles tested by researchers didn’t have any of the herb in, just Alexandrian senna, an Egyptian shrub used as a powerful laxative. Gingko biloba? Some of those bottles were mixed with fillers and black walnut, which could be fatal for people with nut allergies.

A full third of the 44 supplements tested had straight up replaced ingredients with something else and contained none of the advertised herb. Others were simply sprinkled here and there with ingredients that aren’t on the label but were used as fillers. Again, that could be bad for anyone with allergies to soy, wheat or rice.

It brings up a big trust issue for customers: How can we rely on any of these products to do what they say they will, when they’re not even using the right ingredients?

Gotta love that unregulated free market magic huh?

8 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:05:01am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Tests reveal a distinct lack of herbs in herbal supplements

Gotta love that unregulated free market magic huh?

What about herbal tea?

9 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:06:09am

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

What about herbal tea?

Looks like these tests were limited to just supplements.

10 b.d.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:12:57am

Maybe we can arrange a ‘whistleblower’ exchange program with Brazil?

11 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:14:13am

Someone should explain to Brazil that telling the truth is not a crime.
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12 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:19:00am

WND: ‘Hitler Would Be Pleased’ With Obama

WorldNetDaily’s Ellis Washington is tracing America’s problems all the way back to the 1850s, when he says the “Progressive Revolution” began. He says that, ever since, the country has been locked into the “Age of Progressivism,” and now under Presidnet Obama we are imitating Nazi Germany.

“Because while in a de jure (legal) sense America today doesn’t burn books, in a de facto (unofficial) sense through our book publishing industry, our literary agent industry, our media, our education system, our politics, our legal system and throughout culture and society,” Washington writes, “their exists an existential book burning, happening on a much greater scale by the Democrat Socialist Party, a scale the Nationalist Socialist Party could only dream of 80 years ago under Hitler and the Nazis.”

“In modern times today, leftists creates this book burning atmosphere by deconstructing, perverting and destroying conservative ideas, particularly those out of the Judeo-Christian tradition of intellectual thought … without lighting one match or igniting one torch. Hitler would be pleased!”

Criticizing conservatives ideas and pointing out how stupid they are is JUST LIKE HITLER!

13 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:19:51am

re: #12 Kragar

WND: ‘Hitler Would Be Pleased’ With Obama

Criticizing conservatives ideas and pointing out how stupid they are is JUST LIKE HITLER!

He can’t find a publisher for his argle bargle, it was probably too toxic even for Regnery.

14 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:19:55am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Tests reveal a distinct lack of herbs in herbal supplements

Gotta love that unregulated free market magic huh?

And of course, “natural, holistic” medicine, which is superior to medication that has been through the rigors of scientific testing because shut up, that’s why.

15 Weet  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:21:12am
16 b.d.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:21:44am
“I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under.” - Comrade Snowden

Brazil

17 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:21:54am

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

He can’t find a publisher for his argle bargle, it was probably too toxic even for Regnery.

THE FIRST AMENDMENT GUARANTEES ME A BOOK DEAL AND FORCES YOU TO LISTEN TO ME!
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18 darthstar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:21:58am

But Brazil isn’t the country being criticized by Greenwald…it’s the US.

19 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:23:01am

re: #12 Kragar

What’s the “Democrat Socialist Party”? My voter guide for NYC elections has all of the various nutjobs running for things and I don’t see anyone running under that banner.

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On that note, Jimmy “The Rent is Too Damn High” McMillan is running again, and is apparently a registered Republican. Also, the Socialist Workers candidate is demanding the release of the “Cuban 5”, because, uh, the mayor of NYC calls the shots on pardoning foreign spies, or something.

20 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:23:18am

I’ve got an interview to get to. BBL

21 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:23:20am

re: #12 Kragar

WND: ‘Hitler Would Be Pleased’ With Obama

Criticizing conservatives ideas and pointing out how stupid they are is JUST LIKE HITLER!

Yes, Hitler would be pleased with a half-black President who has tons of Jewish advisers. For fuck sakes WND, you can disagree with Obama but does he have to be Hitler? And frankly you motherfuckers with your idea that things went wrong right around the time we started to abolish slavery and make this a more egalitarian society is more Nazi and Hitler pleasing than anything that Obama could have dreamed of. It’s well to point out that Hitler praised the South for havign white supremacist policies. So fuck off Farah and company. Fuck off for comparing our president to one of the worst motherfucks who ever lived.

22 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:23:53am

re: #14 Ian G.

And of course, “natural, holistic” medicine, which is superior to medication that has been through the rigors of scientific testing because shut up, that’s why.

“We passed the shipping crate under a picture of the actual herb, where the magic powers of homeopathy transferred the healing benefits on to you!”

23 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:23:56am

re: #17 Kragar

THE FIRST AMENDMENT GUARANTEES ME A BOOK DEAL AND FORCES YOU TO LISTEN TO ME!
/

Pretty sure that falls under the “cruel and unusual punishment” clause.

24 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:24:31am

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

He can’t find a publisher for his argle bargle, it was probably too toxic even for Regnery.

You’d think if he really wanted to get it out he’d self publish it.

25 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:24:41am

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

He can’t find a publisher for his argle bargle, it was probably too toxic even for Regnery.

In reality, Hitler would probably look at the election of a bi-racial “mongrel” as a sign of the degeneracy of American society, which, when you think about it, isn’t THAT much different from how the teabaggers view it.

26 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:24:41am

Lovely.


A alert has been posted by Central Conn. State U warning of a lockdown. Police currently investigating:

In a message posted on its Twitter page, the school said the campus was on lockdown. Several police cars were at the campus.

Lt. J. Paul Vance, a state police spokesman, said university police asked for assistance related to a report of a suspicious person.

University spokesman Mark McLaughlin said there was an emergency and police urged officials to alert everyone on campus to get inside. He said the emergency did not appear to be related to a shooting.

More than 12,000 students attend the university, which has a 182-acre campus.

New Britain police did not immediately respond to requests for comment and no further details were immediately available.

27 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:24:43am

re: #19 Ian G.

What’s the “Democrat Socialist Party”? My voter guide for NYC elections has all of the various nutjobs running for things and I don’t see anyone running under that banner.

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On that note, Jimmy “The Rent is Too Damn High” McMillan is running again, and is apparently a registered Republican. Also, the Socialist Workers candidate is demanding the release of the “Cuban 5”, because, uh, the mayor of NYC calls the shots on pardoning foreign spies, or something.

Those fringey leftist parties always have some weird pet causes. Let me tell you this, I always hated going ot the anti-war rallies back in the Bush years because instead of hearing about how the Iraq war was wrong,, we had to hear about Mumia and how he needed to be free.

28 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:25:19am

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

You’d think if he really wanted to get it out he’d self publish it.

Who publishes Pam Geller’s crap?

29 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:25:52am

re: #25 Ian G.

In reality, Hitler would probably look at the election of a bi-racial “mongrel” as a sign of the degeneracy of American society, which, when you think about it, isn’t THAT much different from how the teabaggers view it.

bi-racial son of an African immigrant mongrel………. But yeah, and don’t forget that Obama has humerous Jewish advisers. I’m sure Hitler would have smile with glee when he would found out that Obama appointed Elena Kagan to the USSC.

30 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:26:56am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Let me tell you this, I always hated going ot the anti-war rallies back in the Bush years because instead of hearing about how the Iraq war was wrong,, we had to hear about Mumia and how he needed to be free.

Me too. I was against the Iraq War, but wouldn’t be caught dead in the presence of International ANSWER loons. FWIW, I imagine this is how sane conservatives like Bruce Bartlett feel about the tea party.

31 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:27:00am

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

You’d think if he really wanted to get it out he’d self publish it.

He probably isn’t smart enough to handle the level of technological skill required to do so. I’m reasonably technologically literate and it’s just been tons and tons of fun trying to self-publish.

32 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:27:00am
33 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:28:07am

re: #31 Romantic Heretic

He probably isn’t smart enough to handle the level of technological skill required to do so. I’m reasonably technologically literate and it’s just been tons and tons of fun trying to self-publish.

I’ve done it. It does take a certain level of commitment but it’s far from impossible.

34 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:28:15am

I think the right compares everyone they dislike with Hitler and Nazis because they know deep down that they’re ashamed of the fact that many conservatives saw fascism as a viable alternative to communism in the lead up to WWII. I don’t know. I just love how they want to call a man who they blast for embracing multiculturalism a Nazi. how the fuck does that work? Oh yeah, the people who work for WND are brain dead dolts who just think comparing people ot Hitler is just some arbitrary thing.

35 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:28:41am

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

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I challenge you to a duel!

36 Lidane  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:30:31am

Sure, that makes sense:

37 Spocomptonite  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:31:22am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

At this point the biggest revelation will be the first country that comes out and says they AREN’T spying on anyone.

I mean seriously, this is getting beyond ridiculous. This wouldn’t even be news if it wasn’t for Greenwald and Snowden.

Even Iceland does it.

38 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:32:27am

I want to propose a new law. The law will be an extension of the “Do Not Call” list, only this one will be purely for political campaign calls. The list will not be permanent but instead will renew every year, so that people are reminded to sign it so as to signal to politicians that they intend to vote that year and not have their answering machines clogged with campaign messages begging for money, begging for attendance at rallies, and most importantly begging them to show up on Election Day.

I figure it a small price to pay for wasting my time deleting said messages.

39 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:33:07am

re: #36 Lidane

Sure, that makes sense:

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So that includes Rick Perry and pretty much every other politician. Barton needs to move to Iran. I hear they’re going to need a new Supreme Leader soon since the current one is getting up there in age. You’re up Ayatollah Barton!

40 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:33:22am

re: #36 Lidane

Sure, that makes sense:

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Well God did flourish best when his teachings were in Latin and passed on through Church educated middle men to the dimwitted flock who usually was lucky if they understood how to spell their names.

41 Mattand  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:34:07am

re: #12 Kragar

You know who else Hitler would be pleased with?

Miley Cyrus.

Also, Hitler.

42 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:34:08am

re: #36 Lidane

I dunno, I feel pretty “blessed” with the public education that has gotten me a career in the field I want to be in, and (when combined with my fiancee’s income) a household income in the top 20% of US households.

43 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:34:46am

re: #36 Lidane

Sure, that makes sense:

Hey, dumbass. I’ve got a public education. I’m a Christian.

*Watches head asplode*

I win.

44 b.d.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:36:49am

re: #36 Lidane

Sure, that makes sense:

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Ronald Reagan went to public schools.

45 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:36:56am
46 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:36:59am

Besides, it’s hard to promote a holy war when the people you expect to fight it wonder what’s so different between them and the “non-believers” and think that such differences should be accepted rather than cause for genocide.

47 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:37:12am

re: #43 thedopefishlives

Hey, dumbass. I’ve got a public education. I’m a Christian.

*Watches head asplode*

I win.

Rick Santorum even has a public education. Penn State for undergrad and Pitt for law school I believe. It tells you all you need to know about the Republicans that they let this clerical fascist play a big part writing their platform. Hell, maybe he can even be their nominee in the future. They seem to like trainwrecks.

48 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:37:16am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Those fringey leftist parties always have some weird pet causes. Let me tell you this, I always hated going ot the anti-war rallies back in the Bush years because instead of hearing about how the Iraq war was wrong,, we had to hear about Mumia and how he needed to be free.

Which Bush? I remember going to the big Desert Storm protest and seeing the same thing.

Nothing moved me to the center faster than that. Holy shit, learn some focus people.

49 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:37:44am

re: #48 Internet Tough Guy

Which Bush? I remember going to the big Desert Storm protest and seeing the same thing.

Nothing moved me to the center faster than that. Holy shit, learn some focus people.

Bush II.

50 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:38:07am

re: #44 b.d.

Ronald Reagan went to public schools.

Dr. Ben Carson went to *Detroit* Public schools.

51 Mattand  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:38:30am

re: #36 Lidane

Sure, that makes sense:

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Saw Barton was on The Daily Show a while back. For whatever reason, Jon Stewart went easy on him. No idea why; when you make a crack about conservatives believing Jesus hand-delivered the Constitution to Madison, you’re talking about this jack ass.

I sometimes think Stewart’s inner MBF gets the better of him when he deals with religion.

52 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:38:33am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Tests reveal a distinct lack of herbs in herbal supplements

Gotta love that unregulated free market magic huh?

Welcome to he land of the libertine. Free to deceive. Hey, you are also free not to buy it!

53 Mattand  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:38:54am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

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It’s Kevin from Up!

54 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:39:03am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

It’s nice to know that in our rapidly changing world, there are a few constants in life.

55 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:39:42am

Hell even Jerry Falwell went ot a public high school.

56 b.d.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:40:03am

Carmen Miranda had a camera in her hat.

57 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:40:37am

re: #54 Internet Tough Guy

It’s nice to know that in our rapidly changing world, there are a few constants in life.

They’re probably still using it today in the Obama years. I mean I’m staunchly anti DP as I was then but it was a big turn off.

58 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:41:41am
59 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:42:15am

NOT AGAIN.

60 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:44:39am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

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That bird looks like a character right out of a Dr Seuss book.

61 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:45:06am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Those fringey leftist parties always have some weird pet causes. Let me tell you this, I always hated going ot the anti-war rallies back in the Bush years because instead of hearing about how the Iraq war was wrong,, we had to hear about Mumia and how he needed to be free.

Arlington West was probably one of the best, most well focused ongoing actions I saw during the Iraq War. I lived in SB then and that operation went up and down very smoothly every week, an incredibly professional group.

62 Tigger2  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:45:17am

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

NOT AGAIN.

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A Teabagger if full outfit must be on the loose.

63 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:46:07am

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

NOT AGAIN.

It must be a false flag job so that the federal gubmint can get in more practice at locking down major American population centers!!!!!!!1!1

64 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:47:01am

re: #63 thedopefishlives

It must be a false flag job so that the federal gubmint can get in more practice at locking down major American population centers!!!!!!!1!1

Alex Jones’s chronic diarrhea is a false flag.

65 darthstar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:47:36am
66 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:48:17am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Alex Jones’s chronic diarrhea is a false flag.

I actually know someone on another message board who tried to convince me that the Tsarnaev brothers were intentionally set up by the FBI so that they could get a dry run at locking down a major city. The fact that it was the Boston PD that put the city on lockdown didn’t appear to occur to him.

67 Tigger2  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:49:18am

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

NOT AGAIN.

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Wait a minute that said Suspicious Person not Crazy Person, I misread it. /

68 darthstar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:49:49am
69 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:51:24am

re: #66 thedopefishlives

I actually know someone on another message board who tried to convince me that the Tsarnaev brothers were intentionally set up by the FBI so that they could get a dry run at locking down a major city. The fact that it was the Boston PD that put the city on lockdown didn’t appear to occur to him.

Doesn’t shock me at all. I met a Sandy Hook CTer who bought the bs that the one little girl really wasn’t dead even though I explained to him that it was the little girl’s sister wearing her deceased sister’s dress. Thing is about CTers is each answer you have for them is proof of a further conspiracy at work.

70 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:52:21am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t shock me at all. I met a Sandy Hook CTer who bought the bs that the one little girl really wasn’t dead even though I explained to him that it was the little girl’s sister wearing her deceased sister’s dress.

Some of the beliefs these nutjobs hold really make me angry. I try not to get too emotionally involved, but I mean, really. These are dead people, grieving families, and you have to be an asshat about it.

71 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:52:48am

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

Another ‘gun-free zone’ harr haar need moar gunz

72 Lidane  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:53:12am

Well, that settles that. A scientific expert has spoken:

73 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:53:59am

Ted Cruz’s dad is like Hutton Gibson so that makes Ted Cruz the Mel Gibson of U.S. politics, but without the awesome movies.

74 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:54:04am

re: #70 thedopefishlives

Some of the beliefs these nutjobs hold really make me angry. I try not to get too emotionally involved, but I mean, really. These are dead people, grieving families, and you have to be an asshat about it.

I know, that’s why I don’t debate them. One of my brother’s friend’s father was a first res ponder on 9/11 and it took a toll on him. He’s all right. No serious physical health damage like some of those guys but he had some mental problems too which can be just as tough.

75 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:54:05am

re: #53 Mattand

It’s Kevin from Up!

I was thinking a brightly-covered and mildly deformed relative of Rodan.

76 simoom  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:54:16am

Can the author of this SPIEGEL piece really be this naive?

spiegel.de

To ensure that the location of the meeting remains a secret, he has had Ströbele and his entourage picked up in a car with darkened windows. There are bodyguards outside the door for his protection. Snowden is wearing a light-blue shirt with the top two buttons open, along with a black suit. He has a three-day beard. He greets his visitors at the door and invites them to sit down at a table with cheese, fruit and fish, along with white wine, red wine and vodka. No one has any alcohol, and the conversation begins.

Since Russia offered him temporary asylum, Snowden has been living in a so-called safe house in Moscow. Not even his closest associates know the exact location of the building, where Russian security forces provide him with 24-hour protection. He can do as he pleases, and he can leave the building, but never alone and never without bodyguards. “The Russians seem concerned that the Americans wouldn’t even shy away from trying to apprehend him in downtown Moscow,” says someone who has been in touch with the confidants of the whistleblower for months.

Snowden’s Russian guards prohibit him from receiving visitors in the safe house. Anyone who wants to see him has to enter into lengthy negotiations, as Ströbele did. The procedure is always the same: Guests are driven to a secret rendezvous point, where Snowden meets with them. The same protocol applied to his father, who went to Moscow in early October, that applied to Ströbele’s delegation last week.

77 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:54:59am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

Ted Cruz’s dad is like Hutton Gibson so that makes Ted Cruz the Mel Gibson of U.S. politics, but without the awesome movies.

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Does this move Ted Cruz’s Dad will move him and Ted to Australia like Mel’s Dad did? I love that analogy you made.

78 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:55:35am

re: #76 simoom

Snowden is wearing a light-blue shirt with the top two buttons open

That shirt must be RIPE.

You’d think at least they would buy him some new shirts.

Is he wearing the same underwear?

79 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:55:35am

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

Still on lockdown due to emergency of unknown type. Until moments ago, the school hadn’t given out any information on the nature of the emergency other than they’re on a lockdown until the situation is over.

The report is that someone was seen on campus with a firearm:

80 Mattand  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:58:00am

re: #66 thedopefishlives

I actually know someone on another message board who tried to convince me that the Tsarnaev brothers were intentionally set up by the FBI so that they could get a dry run at locking down a major city. The fact that it was the Boston PD that put the city on lockdown didn’t appear to occur to him.

John C. Dvorak, tech “journalist”* and longtime panelist on the This Week in Tech, tried going that route on a TWiT podcast the week after the bombing. Host (and good buddy) Leo Laporte, who often lets Dvorak’s brand of bullshit run unchecked, actually shut him down on that one.

This guy does a twice weekly podcast with Adam Curry. Picture two Alex Jones clones who aren’t foaming out the mouth, and you have a pretty good idea of the level of batshit going on there.

*If by “journalist”, you mean “loud mouthed idiot who claims everything sucks because he’s ‘edgy’”, then sure. This is the guy who was skeptical that the mouse with the original Mac was going to be useful.

81 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:58:19am

Anyhow with the 50th anniversary of JFK’s assassination coming up. We will be hearing about how pretty much anyone not named Oswald killed JFK. Me? I’m waiting for the one that says that Jackie did it to get back at him for extra-martial affairs or possibly one that tries to blame Obama.

82 Mattand  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:59:15am

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Anyhow with the 50th anniversary of JFK’s assassination coming up. We will be hearing about how pretty much anyone not named Oswald killed JFK. Me? I’m waiting for the one that says that Jackie did it to get back at him for extra-martial affairs or possibly one that tries to blame Obama.

JFK is dead? THANKS, OBAMA!

83 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:01:09am

re: #82 Mattand

JFK is dead? THANKS, OBAMA!

George Soros provided the bullets.//

84 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:01:30am

re: #76 simoom

Can the author of this SPIEGEL piece really be this naive?

spiegel.de

Kindly Mother Russia, looking after her new son.

85 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:02:40am

re: #76 simoom

Can the author of this SPIEGEL piece really be this naive?

spiegel.de

Clearly a dudebro author.

86 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:03:48am

WTFITS
(No I’m not clicking on the link)

87 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:04:33am

re: #66 thedopefishlives

I actually know someone on another message board who tried to convince me that the Tsarnaev brothers were intentionally set up by the FBI so that they could get a dry run at locking down a major city. The fact that it was the Boston PD that put the city on lockdown didn’t appear to occur to him.

Shoot that’s easy to explain. The Boston Police were acting as agents for the FBI. More sneaky that way. They had to have a beard.

88 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:05:12am

re: #76 simoom

Can the author of this SPIEGEL piece really be this naive?

spiegel.de

Yes, and yes.

89 darthstar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:07:38am
90 jaunte  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:08:25am

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

In Russia, under wears you.

91 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:09:08am

E.W. Jackson predicts ‘stunning victory’ because of ‘disenfranchised’ Christians

Virginia Republican Lt. Gov. candidate E.W. Jackson on Monday predicted a “stunning victory” for himself and gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli because he said Christians had been marginalized by the Democratic Party.

“I think there’s a lot of people out there who feel disenfranchised, they feel that they’ve been marginalized, some of them are Christians, some of them frankly are libertarians, some of them are small business people, a lot of them are veterans,” Jackson told WMAL. “And they have really galvanized around my campaign because even though I have been slandered and my words often twisted and taken out of context, they’ve appreciated the fact that I’ve been willing to stand up for the things that I believe in.”

“I think we’re going to have a stunning victory tomorrow,” he added.

Jackson also insisted that he would fight for the rights of all Americans — as long as they weren’t gay or lesbian.

92 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:10:55am

re: #91 Kragar

E.W. Jackson predicts ‘stunning victory’ because of ‘disenfranchised’ Christians

Jackson wins tomorrow, I truly will believe a God exists. Or rather that Elder Gods exist.

93 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:11:59am

re: #91 Kragar

even though I have been slandered had people tell the truth about me and my words often twisted and taken out of context quoted exactly,

94 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:13:22am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Tests reveal a distinct lack of herbs in herbal supplements

Gotta love that unregulated free market magic huh?

[libertarian]That’s unpossible! The Market (All Hail The Market!) would never allow such a thing to happen, because consumers wouldn’t buy the products if they were defective! The Market (All Hail The Market!) just need Government to get out of the way so that The Market (All Hail The Market!) can make our lives better and better without end!![/libertarian]

95 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:15:16am

re: #94 GeneJockey

[libertarian]That’s unpossible! The Market (All Hail The Market!) would never allow such a thing to happen, because consumers wouldn’t buy the products if they were defective! The Market (All Hail The Market!) just need Government to get out of the way so that The Market (All Hail The Market!) can make our lives better and better without end!![/libertarian]

Ain’t that the truth.

96 danarchy  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:15:45am

re: #79 lawhawk

Still on lockdown due to emergency of unknown type. Until moments ago, the school hadn’t given out any information on the nature of the emergency other than they’re on a lockdown until the situation is over.

The report is that someone was seen on campus with a firearm:

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Hopefully just another instance like this Burlington Mall evacuated due to umbrella

97 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:17:32am

re: #92 Targetpractice

Jackson wins tomorrow, I truly will believe a God exists. Or rather that Elder Gods exist.

If Jackson wins tomorrow, it’s proof that the stars are right, Great Cthulhu and his hellish starspawn have risen again, that R’lyeh has surfaced, and the Elder Gods are on the loose and ravening for delight.

98 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:19:29am

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

If Jackson wins tomorrow, it’s proof that the stars are right, Great Cthulhu and his hellish starspawn have risen again, that R’lyeh has surfaced, and the Elder Gods are on the loose and ravening for delight.

Hey now, everybody knows Cthulhu has already risen. He’s working in Japan as a porn actor.

//

99 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:21:07am

Naturopathic Medicine Week 2013, or: Quackery Week 2013 « Science-Based Medicine

…When I first learned of this Senate Resolution, I was curious who was responsible for it. It turns out that it was Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) who sponsored it. No other sponsors are listed. A House Resolution with the same text was apparently introduced into the U.S. House of Representatives by Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton, but it doesn’t appear to have gone anywhere. Sen. Mikulski, as we’ve seen before, is tightly associated with the Godfather of Woo in the Senate, the man most responsible for the creation of the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM), Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA)

Damn libertarians. Oops, wait.

100 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:21:13am

re: #98 Targetpractice

Hey now, everybody knows Cthulhu has already risen. He’s working in Japan as a porn actor.

//

lol

101 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:21:53am

re: #92 Targetpractice

Jackson wins tomorrow, I truly will believe a God exists. Or rather that Elder Gods exist.

To quote a character in a book I once read, “I don’t believe in God. Sometimes I believe in the Devil.”

102 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:22:02am

re: #98 Targetpractice

Hey now, everybody knows Cthulhu has already risen. He’s working in Japan as a porn actor.

//

He is also the celebrity spokesman for Tentacle Grape soda.

103 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:22:04am

re: #72 Lidane

Well, that settles that. A scientific expert has spoken:

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Which leads me to post that quote from Thomas Aquinas yet again:

The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.

And once again I’ll ask, why is it that Tommy A. from the 13th century sounds so much more intelligent and educated than Raffy C. from the 21st?

104 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:23:15am

re: #103 Ian G.

And once again I’ll ask, why is it that Tommy A. from the 13th century sounds so much more intelligent and educated than Raffy C. from the 21st?

Because some people refuse to learn from their forebears. Or to learn anything at all, really.

105 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:24:02am

re: #103 Ian G.

Which leads me to post that quote from Thomas Aquinas yet again:

And once again I’ll ask, why is it that Tommy A. from the 13th century sounds so much more intelligent and educated than Raffy C. from the 21st?

Modern Evangelical “THE BIBLE IS THE ONLY BOOK YOU NEED!”

Aquinas: “Beware the man of one book.”

106 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:25:59am

Vimeo

She’s even appeared on Dr. Oz’s radio show to help him promote integrative medicine as the solution to everything that ills American medicine.

107 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:26:36am

re: #103 Ian G.

Because Aquinas is an idolatrous Mary worshipper while Mr. Cruz truly follows Christ.

/evangelical protestants

108 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:26:55am
109 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:28:28am

[Crickets]

Later.

110 SpaceJesus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:29:06am
111 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:30:07am

re: #108 Kragar

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Demons run Capital Hill? Get John Constantine on the line.

112 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:32:32am

re: #107 Internet Tough Guy

Because Aquinas is an idolatrous Catholic while Mr. Cruz truly follows Christ.

/evangelical protestants

113 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:37:00am

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Anyhow with the 50th anniversary of JFK’s assassination coming up. We will be hearing about how pretty much anyone not named Oswald killed JFK. Me? I’m waiting for the one that says that Jackie did it to get back at him for extra-martial affairs or possibly one that tries to blame Obama.

I think Oliver Stone did it.

114 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:37:38am

re: #103 Ian G.

And once again I’ll ask, why is it that Tommy A. from the 13th century sounds so much more intelligent and educated than Raffy C. from the 21st?

Because Aquitnas _had_ an education whereas Cruz the Elder didn’t? Actually given he grew up under Batista, that’s not so funny…

I’d say Canada should ship him back to Cuba but I don’t wish to be accused of an act of war.

115 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:40:07am

re: #114 William Barnett-Lewis

I’d say Canada should ship him back to Cuba but I don’t wish to be accused of an act of war.

Between Rafael and Ted Cruz, Justin Bieber, the ACA website, and the Keystone XL pipeline, I’d say Canada has tossed enough crap our way that a declaration of war on the True North may just be necessary at this point.

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116 Lidane  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:41:33am

re: #115 Ian G.

Between Rafael and Ted Cruz, Justin Bieber, the ACA website, and the Keystone XL pipeline, I’d say Canada has tossed enough crap our way that a declaration of war on the True North may just be necessary at this point.

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Youtube Video

117 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:41:54am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Kindly Mother Russia, looking after her new son.

I hope they have him housed in a Stalinist-era building.

Image: img_0992.jpg

118 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:42:17am

re: #115 Ian G.

Between Rafael and Ted Cruz, Justin Bieber, the ACA website, and the Keystone XL pipeline, I’d say Canada has tossed enough crap our way that a declaration of war on the True North may just be necessary at this point.

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We’re willing to overlook Canada’s crimes against us, but only in exchange for all their maple syrup.

//

119 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:43:21am

re: #115 Ian G.

Between Rafael and Ted Cruz, Justin Bieber, the ACA website, and the Keystone XL pipeline, I’d say Canada has tossed enough crap our way that a declaration of war on the True North may just be necessary at this point.

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I know how to defeat the U.S. in a war.

So it is that an army avoids strength and strikes weakness. - Sun Tzu

Oh wait! Narf. The Tea Party is already implementing my strategy.

120 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:49:20am

re: #117 Justanotherhuman

I hope they have him housed in a Stalinist-era building.

Image: img_0992.jpg

Looks like my immediate neighborhood.

121 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:50:40am

re: #117 Justanotherhuman

I hope they have him housed in a Stalinist-era building.

Image: img_0992.jpg

I’d hate to live in one of those buildings. I’ll bet the elevator is ALWAYS “out of order.”

122 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:52:01am

re: #121 Vicious Babushka

I’d hate to live in one of those buildings. I’ll bet the elevator is ALWAYS “out of order.”

I can’t speak to Russia proper, but the Stalinist panelák I live in has been completely refurbished. New elevators were installed last year.

123 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:53:49am
124 AntonSirius  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:54:10am

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Anyhow with the 50th anniversary of JFK’s assassination coming up. We will be hearing about how pretty much anyone not named Oswald killed JFK. Me? I’m waiting for the one that says that Jackie did it to get back at him for extra-martial affairs or possibly one that tries to blame Obama.

Look, if you’re already going back in time to Honolulu 1961 to plant your own birth notices in the local paper, it’s just a hop skip and jump over to Dallas 1963…

125 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:54:26am
126 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:54:45am

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

I can’t speak to Russia proper, but the Stalinist panelák I live in has been completely refurbished. New elevators were installed last year.

What’s his name?
/

127 AntonSirius  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:55:33am

re: #123 Charles Johnson

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No jackass, they’re citing it to highlight your own blatant hypocrisy, not defend the NSA.

128 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:55:33am

re: #125 Charles Johnson

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Still waiting for them to find any “wrongdoing” in the first place.

129 sagehen  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:56:12am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

At this point the biggest revelation will be the first country that comes out and says they AREN’T spying on anyone.

There’s lots of countries that don’t spy.

Lichtenstein. Andorra. Monaco. Somalia. Rwanda. Tonga. St Kitts. Haiti. Tuvalu. Palau.

I could go on and on.

130 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:58:09am

re: #128 Kragar

Still waiting for them to find any “wrongdoing” in the first place.

It exists. Therefore it’s wrong /Dudebros

131 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:58:20am

re: #129 sagehen

There’s lots of countries that don’t spy.

Lichtenstein. Andorra. Monaco. Somalia. Rwanda. Tonga. St Kitts. Haiti. Tuvalu. Palau.

I could go on and on.

I’m pretty sure that Liechtenstein, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, and Luxembourg all have the ability to spy and therefore they do spy.

132 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:58:23am

re: #123 Charles Johnson

It’s different because Brazil’s president isn’t one of them.

133 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:58:59am

re: #129 sagehen

There’s lots of countries that don’t spy.

Lichtenstein. Andorra. Monaco. Somalia. Rwanda. Tonga. St Kitts. Haiti. Tuvalu. Palau.

I could go on and on.

An old armed forces saying:

“There is only one thief in the military. Everyone else is just trying to get their shit back.”

134 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:00:45pm
135 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:01:53pm

Afternoon all!

HOw is it?

gray and wet here.

136 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:02:08pm

re: #134 Kragar

Generation /b/ should STFU and stop posting cat pics.

137 jaunte  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:02:43pm

Alla you jingoists just cut it out.

138 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:04:03pm

re: #136 Internet Tough Guy

Generation /b/ should STFU and stop posting cat pics.

I like cat pix.

139 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:04:30pm

re: #138 FemNaziBitch

I like cat pix.

Just like Hitler.
/

140 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:06:19pm

re: #137 jaunte

Alla you jingoists just cut it out.

Youtube Video

141 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:07:14pm

Chicagoland had an earthquake?

I didn’t feel a thing.

142 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:07:41pm

Hiya Lizards..
A few random thoughts..
I’m in the middle of moving to my new place up north and early retirement lay ahead..It looks like my Healthcare coverage will change this year because of Obamacare. They have a video I need to watch. It’s too early to judge what will happen in the future but I work for a top ten company in the fucking world..And it has an effect.. I wonder what will happen in the future.
Listening to Janis Joplin..One woman that needed a producer more than any other in history. Pearl album was the best we will ever get. Sad.

143 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:07:44pm
144 sagehen  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:07:47pm

re: #115 Ian G.

Between Rafael and Ted Cruz, Justin Bieber, the ACA website, and the Keystone XL pipeline, I’d say Canada has tossed enough crap our way that a declaration of war on the True North may just be necessary at this point.

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You forgot Celine Dion.

145 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:09:11pm

re: #129 sagehen

Just because they aren’t on this list doesn’t mean that they don’t engage in spying or spycraft.

There’s lots of countries that don’t spy.

Lichtenstein. Andorra. Monaco. Somalia. Rwanda. Tonga. St Kitts. Haiti. Tuvalu. Palau.

I could go on and on.

And you know that they don’t spy because?

Lichenstein has a financial intelligence unit, looking after financial crimes. They go after wire fraud and other finance related crimes. That means going after wire communications and rooting out financial crimes.

Somalia is a failed state, and it’s not likely that the official government has the ability to spy much beyond its border - though you can bet they’re trying to figure out what al Shabab is doing, and/or relying on Kenyan, Ethiopian, NATO and US intel to know what they’re doing.

At the same time, al Shabab is doing its best to spy on the regime there.

Haiti has a spy agency.

Essentially, if a country has a military service, they’ve got a customer requiring intel services - for deploying military assets for border security, patrolling disputed waters, etc.

146 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:09:14pm

re: #144 sagehen

You forgot Celine Dion.

And that bitch Anne Murray too.

147 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:09:27pm
148 piratedan  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:10:13pm

re: #144 sagehen

You forgot Celine Dion.

in their defense, we do have The Kids In The Hall, John Candy, Vancouver…..

149 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:10:22pm

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

I can’t speak to Russia proper, but the Stalinist panelák I live in has been completely refurbished. New elevators were installed last year.

I understand that in Moscow in the old bldgs they will refurbish individual apts (stark modern is popular), but leave the public areas and halls as they were—totally shabby. Don’t know about the elevators, though.

150 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:11:24pm

re: #129 sagehen

There’s lots of countries that don’t spy.

Lichtenstein. Andorra. Monaco. Somalia. Rwanda. Tonga. St Kitts. Haiti. Tuvalu. Palau.

I could go on and on.

Pretty sure all those countries (except maybe Somalia which only barely has a government) spy to some extent. Especially on their own citizens. It depends on how you define spying though, the major concern of countries like Tonga, Tuvalu and Palau are probably illegal fishing. Haiti is massively corrupt. Lichtenstein is concerned with money laundering. Andorra and Monaco are both members of the Egmont Group, and both are transition and end points for illegal smuggling and immigration operations.

151 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:11:46pm

re: #140 makeitstop

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Youtube Video

Please trip them gently, they don’t like to fall, Oh by jingo
There’s no room for anger, we’re all very small, Oh by jingo
We’re painting our faces and dressing in thoughts from the skies, from paradise
But they think that we’re holding a secretive ball.
Won’t someone invite them
They’re just taller children, that’s all, after all

Man is an obstacle, sad as the clown, Oh by jingo
So hold on to nothing, and he won’t let you down, Oh by jingo
Some people are marching together and some on their own
Quite alone
Others are running, the smaller ones crawl
But some sit in silence, they’re just older children
That’s all, after all

I sing with impertinence, shading impermanent chords,
With my words
I’ve borrowed your time and I’m sorry I called
But the thought just occurred that we’re nobody’s children at all, after all

Live your rebirth and do what you will, Oh by jingo
Forget all I’ve said, please bear me no ill, Oh by jingo
After all, after all

152 sagehen  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:12:56pm

re: #117 Justanotherhuman

I hope they have him housed in a Stalinist-era building.

Image: img_0992.jpg

um… that looks a lot like where *I* live (in NYC-UWS)

Image: lincoln.jpg

153 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:16:16pm

re: #135 FemNaziBitch

Afternoon all!

HOw is it?

gray and wet here.

Clear, mid-40s, starting to cloud over. Outlying areas got a real solid frost overnight - death to ragweed!

154 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:16:42pm
155 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:16:58pm

re: #141 FemNaziBitch

Chicagoland had an earthquake?

I didn’t feel a thing.

Apparently a quarry blast in Countryside Hills

abclocal.go.com

156 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:17:06pm

re: #153 Feline Fearless Leader

Clear, mid-40s, starting to cloud over. Outlying areas got a real solid frost overnight - death to ragweed!

2-4 inches of accumulation tomorrow night up here in the wild north country. Later tonight or tomorrow morning I plan on grabbing fuel for the snowblower and having it prepped and ready.

157 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:18:01pm

re: #151 wrenchwench

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I love that song, and that era of DB.

158 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:18:18pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently a quarry blast in Countryside Hills

abclocal.go.com

Friend in Dekalb felt it. Kid and I in Aurora felt nothing.

159 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:18:29pm

re: #147 Kragar

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This is the GOP’s problem. Well the rest of the country has progressed on GLBT rights, they’ve gone backwards. I remember Ryan’s past vote for ENDA being used as osme kind of brownie point for him. Well here is now part of the GOP leadership and he’s doing nothing. PAthetic hack.

160 Lidane  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:19:36pm
161 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:22:55pm

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

I understand that in Moscow in the old bldgs they will refurbish individual apts (stark modern is popular), but leave the public areas and halls as they were—totally shabby. Don’t know about the elevators, though.

The owners of the building (Nova Hut’ Stavební) decided to polish it up a bit….new insulation, structural reinforcment, new windows, new heating system, etc.

The Czechs are pretty good at refurbishing these old buildings; they really are designed to only have a 50-70 year lifespan, but proper refurbishing can extend that quite a bit.

162 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:23:23pm

Tomorrow is Election Day.

If you are unsure of the ballot in your area, Vote411.org can help you out.

163 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:23:59pm

Eric Boehlert from Media Matters What Would Dan Rather Do? With Benghazi Debacle, 60 Minutes Faces Another Crisis of Credibility

CBS’s frantic corporate response to the Guard controversy (which included blatant kowtowing to its partisan critics; see more below) stands in stark contrast to the network’s utterly passive, non-response to the widening controversy surrounding the heavily-hyped 60 Minutes report that aired on October 27 about the terrorist attacks on the U.S. compound in Benghazi in 2012.

That report has been plagued by problems, including obvious conflicts of interest and the more recent revelation that its star witness told contradictory tales about the terror attack and what he did as it unfolded that night.

The difference in the two crisis responses is striking in part because the underlying Guard story that CBS told about Bush failing to serve his duty has been proven to be true: In the spring of 1972, with 770 days left of required duty, then-Lt. Bush unilaterally decided that he was done fulfilling his military obligation and walked away from the Guard. That means CBS could have omitted the disputed documents from its Guard report and still told an accurate story about Bush’s non-service.

But CBS’s dubious Benghazi report revolved around already debunked allegations about why no U.S. military forces from outside Libya were sent to save the Americans at the besieged Benghazi compound. In other words, CBS’s witness controversy is attached to an-already inaccurate Benghazi report, which makes the recent 60 Minutes transgression more serious than the one that triggered the Guard frenzy.

lol

164 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:30:26pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

165 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:32:19pm

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

I’m pretty sure that Liechtenstein, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, and Luxembourg all have the ability to spy and therefore >they do spy.

If nothing else, Monaco keeps a really close eye on everyone who visits the casinos…

166 Lidane  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:32:24pm
167 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:32:39pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Well, he’s actually right that Bush did duck out on his TANG service, but I always have to shake my head when I see people use the word “disputed” about those obviously fraudulent documents.

168 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:34:54pm
169 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:35:53pm
170 Mattand  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:36:24pm

re: #146 Vicious Babushka

And that bitch Anne Murray too.

+28.93 and a quarter internets for a 16 year old South Park callback.

171 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:38:05pm

re: #135 FemNaziBitch

Afternoon all!

HOw is it?

gray and wet here.

High 40s and sunny. Had a freeze in NYC last night. I have to say, watching the Marathon yesterday was about as chilly as I can remember it. The high should be in the mid-to-upper 50s at this time of year.

172 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:38:09pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

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Yeah, when I originally saw the questions about the Benghazi report raised here on LGF all the links went to media matters so I kind of ignored as possible bullshit until I saw the NBC version of the story. Even today this is on the Dkos rec list: 60 Minutes doubles down on Benghazi fibber

dailykos.com

but all the links go to Media matters (which I consider a discredited source) and there’s no explanation of what CBS said in defense of the story. People do themselves a huge disservice with this kind of nonsense. It seems there are legitimate questions about the 60 Minutes Benghazi story but Media Matters is a problematic source.

173 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:38:28pm
174 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:40:19pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Well, he’s actually right that Bush did duck out on his TANG service, but I always have to shake my head when I see people use the word “disputed” about those obviously fraudulent documents.

I particularly enjoyed this….

(Rather still stands by his memo reporting.) However, CBS’ independent review could not determine if the controversial Guard documents were forged. It did conclude however, there was no evidence the Guard story was driven by partisan considerations inside CBS.

175 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:43:41pm

re: #169 Vicious Babushka

If we give the Cruzes and their followers their own parcel of land that they can run as a Christian version of Saudi Arabia, will they leave us the fuck alone? How about Greenville, SC (where Bob Jones University is)? Let them declare it an independent nation with Ted as king.

176 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:45:00pm

re: #175 Ian G.

If we give the Cruzes and their followers their own parcel of land that they can run as a Christian version of Saudi Arabia, will they leave us the fuck alone? How about Greenville, SC (where Bob Jones University is)? Let them declare it an independent nation with Ted as king.

AFAIAK, they can have Texas.

177 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:45:08pm

re: #175 Ian G.

If we give the Cruzes and their followers their own parcel of land that they can run as a Christian version of Saudi Arabia, will they leave us the fuck alone? How about Greenville, SC (where Bob Jones University is)? Let them declare it an independent nation with Ted as king.

They can have Nunavut.
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None of it. Get it?

178 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:45:12pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

but all the links go to Media matters (which I consider a discredited source)

You have very high standards.

179 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:45:18pm
Incredibly, it was later discovered that CBS officials were so spooked by the conservative attacks on the network in 2004, that when it came to assembling its “independent” panel the network did the following:

*Included Rush Limbaugh, Fox News chairman Roger Ailes and Matt Drudge on a list of possible review panel candidates.

* Conceded the list of panel candidates tilted towards the right in order to “open itself up to its harshest conservative critics and to ensure that the Panel’s findings would be found credible.”

*Reached out to “GOP folks” prior to assembling its “independent” panel and took their temperature on who should oversee the work.

Is any of that true? I’d never heard that Limbaugh and Drudge were considered as oversseers of CBS’s review panel. That doesn’t pass the sniff test.

180 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:45:55pm

re: #173 FemNaziBitch

Will GOP Rebel Justin Amash Bring Down the NSA—and His Own Party?

We can only hope the latter, not the former.

181 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:48:10pm

re: #180 Justanotherhuman

We can only hope the latter, not the former.

I really don’t get the uproar over spying in the first place.

182 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:48:12pm

re: #106 Gus

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She’s even appeared on >Dr. Oz’s radio show to help him promote integrative medicine as the solution to everything that ills American medicine.

Nut be nuts.

183 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:50:04pm
184 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:50:48pm
185 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:51:12pm

re: #184 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

beebee!

186 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:51:20pm

re: #178 wrenchwench

You have very high standards.

That’s one way to say it.

187 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:51:53pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

Is any of that true? I’d never heard that Limbaugh and Drudge were considered as oversseers of CBS’s review panel. That doesn’t pass the sniff test.

I do remember hearing something about that at the time. Not overseers - considered for members of the panel.

I always thought it was interesting that CBS didn’t seem interested in hearing from the people who actually exposed the fraud (i.e., me).

188 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:52:18pm

Leaving to run errands with my Mommy and take her to dinner (or she is taking me to dinner -I fly, she buys)

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:52:29pm
190 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:52:45pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

Sad that Kaiju have more manners than many gaijin.

191 darthstar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:52:54pm

Your friendly road etiquette reminder of the day:

Image: tumblr_mvptt1z3vM1qgolyao1_500.jpg

192 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:53:35pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

I do remember hearing something about that at the time. Not overseers - considered for members of the panel.

I always thought it was interesting that CBS didn’t seem interested in hearing from the people who actually exposed the fraud (i.e., me).

What, and be exposed to facts? Those are so hard to spin.

193 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:53:41pm

re: #178 wrenchwench

You have very high standards.

Of course. Just like Politifacr…

194 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:54:34pm

re: #191 darthstar

Your friendly road etiquette reminder of the day:

Image: tumblr_mvptt1z3vM1qgolyao1_500.jpg

NSFW:

Youtube Video

195 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:54:54pm

re: #191 darthstar

Your friendly road etiquette reminder of the day:

Image: tumblr_mvptt1z3vM1qgolyao1_500.jpg

Like the wrench-wielding biker with a liquor sign in the corner…

196 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:55:32pm

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

They can have Nunavut.
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None of it. Get it?

Bleh.

197 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:55:53pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

Via George Takei:

“Nobody does the Facepalm better than we did on Star Trek.”

Good to see Khan right in the middle there.

198 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:56:05pm

re: #181 FemNaziBitch

I really don’t get the uproar over spying in the first place.

I really despise privileged, careerist dudebros like Amash. He could care less for anything but his own selfish aims. He’s a libertarian much in the mold of Greenwald, publicity-seeking, ego-driven. Note that he also was Neo-connish on Iraq just as GG was.

199 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:56:54pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

Is any of that true? I’d never heard that Limbaugh and Drudge were considered as oversseers of CBS’s review panel. That doesn’t pass the sniff test.

NY Times says it’s true. It’s funny how reflexively stubborn you are about doing your own research. Just because the first time you hear about a story and the citation goes to a source you don’t like then it’s must not be true.

Another memorandum turned over to Mr. Rather’s lawyers by CBS was a long typed list of conservative commentators apparently receiving some preliminary consideration as panel members, including Rush Limbaugh, Matt Drudge, Ann Coulter and Pat Buchanan. At the bottom of that list, someone had scribbled “Roger Ailes,” the founder of Fox News.

And hey, fuck man, the story’s only five years old. It’s not like you’ve had much of a chance at all at assimilating the information before now.

200 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:57:41pm

David Barton for US Senate.

And because it’s Texas, the idiot will win.

201 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:58:44pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

NY Times says it’s true. It’s funny how reflexively stubborn you are about doing your own research. Just because the first time you hear about a story and the citation goes to a source you don’t like then it’s must not be true.

And hey, fuck man, the story’s only five years old. It’s not like you’ve had much of a chance at all at assimilating the information before now.

How do we know THAT memo wasn’t fake, too?!?
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202 Lidane  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:59:10pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

It’s funny how reflexively stubborn you are about doing your own research.

Doing research requires effort. Also, there’s not enough pepper spray involved.

203 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:00:14pm

re: #202 Lidane

Doing research requires effort. Also, there’s not enough pepper spray involved.

I must not be doing it right, then….
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204 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:01:04pm

re: #202 Lidane

Doing research requires effort. Also, there’s not enough pepper spray involved.

No liberal women were physically abused, therefore not amusing.

205 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:02:24pm

This is somewhat disturbing…

Don’t think my kittehs would go along with this, without copious amounts of catnip.

meowt-fit of the day

206 Lidane  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:02:29pm

re: #204 goddamnedfrank

No liberal women were physically abused, therefore not amusing.

Also, research will sometimes show that your initial assumptions are wrong and that one side is clearly to blame for something. Can’t allow that.

207 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:02:44pm

re: #200 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

David Barton for US Senate.

And because it’s Texas, the idiot will win.

Texas: ensuring complete fucking morons are represented at the the highest levels of our Government.

208 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:03:55pm

re: #169 Vicious Babushka

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

209 Lidane  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:05:31pm
210 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:08:46pm

I know I said before I was at my house and couldn’t get there, but trust me. I was really at Benghazi, knocking Al-Quaeda into the dirt with my turgid penis. I sustained no wounds and nobody saw me. Money please!

211 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:09:47pm

Is it ding time already?

212 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:11:05pm

re: #211 b_sharp

Is it ding time already?

213 Lidane  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:12:30pm

Tonight is going to be fun. I scored passes to a taping of Austin City Limits featuring Nine Inch Nails. Haven’t seen them live since they toured with Bowie back in the 90’s. Should be a good gig.

214 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:12:35pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

Ah, I hadn’t heard of that before. Thanks for the link to a reliable source.

215 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:12:52pm
216 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:13:58pm

re: #215 Kragar

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You done dinged that already dude.

217 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:14:32pm

re: #216 b_sharp

copypasta failed me.

refresh

218 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:15:08pm

re: #213 Lidane

Tonight is going to be fun. I scored passes to a taping of Austin City Limits featuring Nine Inch Nails. Haven’t seen them live since they toured with Bowie back in the 90’s. Should be a good gig.

Remember to take your tape measure to verify their length.

219 steve_davis  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:19:16pm

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

What about herbal tea?

I don’t drink herbal teas anymore, but when I did, I trusted Numi. They make an excellent mint tea.

220 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:22:42pm

Ever been inside your head looking for something, take a wrong turn and get lost?

221 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:23:22pm

re: #219 steve_davis

I don’t drink herbal teas anymore, but when I did, I trusted Numi. They make an excellent mint tea.

Did they use real mint or did they raid your grandmother’s candy bowl?

222 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:23:57pm

I was watching the local Czech-language news, and I heard we had a double homicide in a town not far from here. The cops have the shooter in custody, who apparently tried to commit suicide but failed. He took out a 74 year old man and it seems the primary target - also deceased, unfortunately - was his 17 year old granddaughter. A 71 year old woman, the wife the deceased man, was injured and has been taken to hospital.

The motive seems to be a case of unrequited love, according to a police spokesman. The suspect is under police guard in a local hospital here in Ostrava.

He’s gonna be in a lot of trouble here; even though the Czech Republic doesn’t have the death penalty, over here a crime like that will certainly get you two consecutive life terms, “life term” being defined as 30 years minimum.

223 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:25:41pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout

Ah, I hadn’t heard of that before. Thanks for the link to a reliable source.

FYI Media Matters, even though you don’t trust them, links to the originating sources. If you’d simply followed links back to their initial coverage instead of reflexively deciding to treat everything they put out as hopelessly unreliable, then you’d have seen that they support their allegations with links to other newspapers, like the New York Observer.

224 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:29:16pm

re: #223 goddamnedfrank

I love that Robert Novak was on the list. “Hey yeah, let’s get the asshole who published Valerie Plame’s CIA status, we need to appear balanced.”

225 Teukka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:39:58pm

re: #145 lawhawk

Just because they aren’t on this list doesn’t mean that they don’t engage in spying or spycraft.

And you know that they don’t spy because?

Lichenstein has a financial intelligence unit, looking after financial crimes. They go after wire fraud and other finance related crimes. That means going after wire communications and rooting out financial crimes.

Somalia is a failed state, and it’s not likely that the official government has the ability to spy much beyond its border - though you can bet they’re trying to figure out what al Shabab is doing, and/or relying on Kenyan, Ethiopian, NATO and US intel to know what they’re doing.

At the same time, al Shabab is doing its best to spy on the regime there.

Haiti has a spy agency.

Essentially, if a country has a military service, they’ve got a customer requiring intel services - for deploying military assets for border security, patrolling disputed waters, etc.

And let’s not forget Law Enforcement. Certain elements of law enforcement work is exactly the same work “real” intelligence agencies do, wiretapping, remote surveillance, deep cover agents, even down to intelligence analysis. In some languages, it’s even called (directly translated) criminal intelligence (CRIMINT).

I’m going out on a limb here, but could part of the anti-intelligence mindset be explained by some sort of fear that techniques used by intelligence agencies will find its way to law enforcement? In my personal opinion, the direction is usually the opposite, that law enforcement techniques find their way to intelligence, at least for the past couple of decades.

226 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:02:24pm

re: #213 Lidane

Tonight is going to be fun. I scored passes to a taping of Austin City Limits featuring Nine Inch Nails. Haven’t seen them live since they toured with Bowie back in the 90’s. Should be a good gig.

Saw NIN in Nashville a couple of Tuesdays ago.

Don’t go to many concerts, as I got burned out on concerts being required to attend by the record company.

But NIN, yea.

227 nastybrutishntall  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:27:42pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Tests reveal a distinct lack of herbs in herbal supplements

Gotta love that unregulated free market magic huh?

Unfortunately, the industry is sandwiched between sociopathic charlatans peddling fads on one side who want zero oversight, and a pharma-captured regulatory apparatus on the other side which wants a total ban on pretty much anything that might work and thereby threaten profit. Something reasonable, such as regulation that states manufacturers need to submit proof / purity of ingredients (regardless of health claims), will never pass between that Skylla and Charybdis.


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